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February 22, 2014

Saturday Car Thread 02/22/14 - [Niedermeyer's Dead Horse & Countrysquire]
— Open Blogger

Happy Saturday y'all.

Today we bring to you updated news of the situation in Chattanooga, some of the best in automotive advertising, one hell of a yard sale, what might be the most asinine tech "advancement" ever, and Countrysquire introduces a new weekly series: The Beauty of the Week.

As expected, the UAW has called on the NLRB to cast aside the vote at VW and order a new vote be held. In the process, they have succeeded in doing something I would never have thought possible: Making me cheer for Senator Bob Corker.

The UAW complaint alleged that comments by top Tennessee Republicans went beyond simple criticism and amounted to "extraordinary interference" in the election. The elected officials had warned that, if unionized, the factory would run the risk of losing legislative support for state financial incentives.
The union also claimed that comments by Corker were "intended to coerce employees to vote against UAW." Corker had issued a press release last week claiming that, based on private conversations he had had with VW officials, the company would expand the plant to include a new SUV line if workers did not unionize.
That ran contrary to prior indications from VW officials, who denied having had such conversations with Corker. The senator stood by his comments.
Corker said the UAW complaint showed that the union was interested only "in its own survival" and nothing else: "The workers at Chattanooga's Volkswagen plant spoke very clearly last week, so we are disappointed the UAW is ignoring their decision and has filed this objection."

Keep in mind that they failed to win the vote despite the heavy hand of the German union and the implicit support of the management at VW.

Irony. Look it up.

In its filing, the UAW stated that the Republicans "conducted what appears to have been a coordinated and widely-publicized coercive campaign, in concert with their staffs and others, to deprive (Volkswagen) workers of their federally-protected right, through the Election, to support and select the UAW as their exclusive representative."
"We're committed to standing with the Volkswagen workers to ensure that their right to have a fair vote without coercion and interference is protected," said UAW President Bob King.

Of course, the UAW took to twitter to retweet the rantings of their supporters.

@mflynny @SenBobCorker I'm going to enjoy the political fall out from this. Never bet against the working man.
— mona copeland (@SlyFox313) February 22, 2014

I suppose "the working man" doesn't include the 700+ employees who voted against unionization.

If they, the UAW and the NLRB, succeed in overturning this vote you can guarandamntee that this will be just the start of union rape and pillaging.

Countrysquire: More than 15 million new cars were sold in the U.S. in 2013. IÂ’m sure a Bing search would show us how much money was spent on advertising, but IÂ’m too lazy to look it up. Plus, this is being written at the last minute because I was on the road all day yesterday to buy an old car, so I donÂ’t want to incur any more of NDHÂ’s wrath than possible. [Ed. note: Wrath? *bats eyelashes*] Anyway, ads that do nothing more than tell us why the competition sucks are not very interesting. For the last 50 years, no car manufacturer has done a better job pitching their cars than Volkswagen. No one. The little kid as Darth Vader from a couple years ago was just perfect, and the new one with the engineers getting their wings was pretty good as well. The Â‘wing envyÂ’ at the urinals was good stuff. Those in the advertising world say their ad agencyÂ’s work from the 1960s is still the gold standard.

Would you like to own 80 acres in the peaceful countryside of Wendell, Idaho? You're a car lover? Great! Along with the land, comes some 8,000 cars.

Location: Wendell, Idaho 83355
Trans: Auto
Description: 80 Acre Auto Salvage in Idaho
The largest in the North West with an inventory of over 8,000 cars. The owner is ready to retire. Built from the ground up this yard is one of if not THE oldest, largest continually operated yard. It is a piece of American history. Mostly domestic vehicles with a sprinkle of others. Located in Wendell Idaho there is plenty of room for expansion. Give us a call we would love to tell you more. Or better yet come view it for yourself. 2 miles north of Wendell it is located on a main highway and only 3 miles off of the freeway. We sell cars and parts all over the world. Probably only 75 percent of this yard is actually inventoried since it was started in the 60's. This place needs an energetic car lover that could update the inventory and incorporate a website to capitalize on global sells. Someone who wants to save history not crush it!
Price: $3,000,000

Your Volvo Car Could Be Your Mailbox Oh, sheesh.

"Via a smartphone or a tablet, the owner will be informed when a delivery company wants to drop off or pick up something from the car," they added.
The owner of the car then accepts the delivery and can track when the car is opened. The technology would provide a solution for people who are on the move and need to receive deliveries away from their home or office.
The company said failed deliveries cost courier companies around one billion euros (US $1.37 billion) in re-delivery costs each year.
"The technology was trialled during a pilot program of 100 people, 86 percent of which agreed that 'roam delivery' saved them time," Volvo said. "The future car will be much more than just a means of transportation."

Beauty of the Week:

IÂ’m still not thrilled with how many pieces of automotive art that had to be culled for our 10 Most Beautiful Cars piece a couple weeks back, so I figured that we should feature a gorgeous car each week.

LetÂ’s start with one we all know and love, the Â’63 Corvette with the split rear window. Turns out that Corvette buyers were interested in seeing out the back of the car, so Bill MitchellÂ’s iconic divided rear glass was gone in 1964. I would argue that the entire 1963-67 Â“C2Â” generation run was the acme of Corvette design, and the styling of the coupe worked even better than the roadster.

A cruising tune about pickup men:

For the moronettes:

And, for the Morons... last week I offered you sweet and started to offer another sweet pic this week, but decided against the inevitable revolt. So, you get this instead:

Please feel free to send any complaints or commendations to us at Twitter: Nied's Dead Horse and Countrysquire.

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1 I suppose "the working man" doesn't include the 700+ employees who voted against unionization

Yeah. Just like "black people" doesn't include guys like Allen West, Ben Carson, Mia Love, Clarence Thomas, Tim Scott, Tom Sowell, Wayne Dupree, Walter Williams or Herman Cain. It's the same basic principle.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 22, 2014 10:40 AM (8ZskC)

2 Yeah. Just like "black people" doesn't include guys like Allen West, Ben Carson, Mia Love, Clarence Thomas, Tim Scott, Tom Sowell, Wayne Dupree, Walter Williams or Herman Cain. It's the same basic principle. *** The original You're with us or you're against us.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 10:41 AM (DmNpO)

3 NDH, you should link the car wash clip from Cool Hand Luke! It's relevant and has a car in it!

Posted by: EC at February 22, 2014 10:41 AM (doBIb)

4 Let's do this thing.

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 22, 2014 10:41 AM (8FyP4)

5 How about the car wash scene from Car Wash? Well, I guess it was really all car wash scenes...

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 22, 2014 10:42 AM (8FyP4)

6 As someone with almost 30 years in the advertising business, I can tell you that the VW 'Lemon' ad probably had more impact on advertising creative than any other piece of communication in the twentieth century.

Yes, VW ads are great, but the Sixties were arguably their heyday. The ad agency behind the campaigns was Doyle Dane Bernbach. Unfortunately, DDB also produced the infamous "Countdown" spot against Goldwater in 1964.

Posted by: Mike at February 22, 2014 10:42 AM (Rk8LS)

7 NLRB will set aside the vote IMHO

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 22, 2014 10:43 AM (R8hU8)

8 5 How about the car wash scene from Car Wash? Well, I guess it was really all car wash scenes... Posted by: Countrysquire at February 22, 2014 02:42 PM (8FyP4) Not even in the same ballpark!

Posted by: EC at February 22, 2014 10:43 AM (doBIb)

9 Guys like me, who could write a book on what they don't know about the advertising business, know about the VW ads from the '60s. They were just that good.

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 22, 2014 10:45 AM (8FyP4)

10 NDH, you should link the car wash clip from Cool Hand Luke! It's relevant and has a car in it! *** I've created a library of blog-worthy "elbows" and that's part of it. I found a clip that has been cut to only have the pretty gal in it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 10:45 AM (DmNpO)

11 Damn voter suppression. Should have never let them require ID's.

Posted by: UAW at February 22, 2014 10:46 AM (/djtm)

12 You forgot Bikini Car Wash Company. It was a milestone in swimwear-themed cinema.

http://tinyurl.com/ml8ee5o

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 22, 2014 10:46 AM (8ZskC)

13 There should be a blog post (or maybe a blog) just about girls washing cars.

Posted by: EC at February 22, 2014 10:47 AM (doBIb)

14 The car wash scene in One Night at McCools was pretty sweet too. Liv Tyler has never looked better. http://tinyurl.com/l7tbjrq

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 22, 2014 10:48 AM (8FyP4)

15 Yeah, I enjoy most of VW's ads, too. They very rarely advertise the Eos. I think they sell themselves.

Posted by: Y-not at February 22, 2014 10:50 AM (zDsvJ)

16 VW's only recent mis-step was the Phaeton. I remember seeing one parked inside a mall as a show car. It looked nice. Designed to compete with the higher end BMW's and Mercedes, but just never took.

Posted by: EC at February 22, 2014 10:52 AM (doBIb)

17 I wanted to include the ad Jeremy Clarkson made for the diesel Scirocco, but was worried about copyright issues.

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 22, 2014 10:52 AM (8FyP4)

18 Any doubt how Obama's NLRB will rule? And who will be on the other side of the courtroom? VW, hardly creating much of an adversarial proceeding. So, you're pretty much guaranteed another election.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 22, 2014 10:54 AM (MSrqi)

19 You think those heart throbs are something? Check out the "masking" males who wear female rubber suits and make themselves look like blow up sex dolls. There's an article about "masking" on theatlantic.com website. And don't deride the practice on the comments cuz that would mean you are "transphobic" or maybe just not a good Atlantic liberal reader who oozes tolerance for any and all perversions.

Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 22, 2014 10:54 AM (/cUUk)

20 VW's only recent mis-step was the Phaeton. I remember seeing one parked inside a mall as a show car. It looked nice. Designed to compete with the higher end BMW's and Mercedes, but just never took.

$100k for a VW. I can't imagine why it failed.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 22, 2014 10:55 AM (8ZskC)

21 I said on twitter, and I'll say it here. I can't believe that Boeing can't open a plant in SC to benefit from their hatred of unions, but the VW "shared ownership" board gets to basically do the exact opposite and someone can't file a complaint. It's insanity. Frankly I highly doubt Corker's statements affected the vote that much some people probably assumed he was lying anyway.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at February 22, 2014 10:55 AM (hq5sb)

22 18 Any doubt how Obama's NLRB will rule? And who will be on the other side of the courtroom? VW, hardly creating much of an adversarial proceeding. So, you're pretty much guaranteed another election. Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at February 22, 2014 02:54 PM (MSrqi) I don't understand why VW would side with unions. They end up trashing the company over the long run. Do you think the big three here would stick with the unions if they magically had the chance to dump them and run?

Posted by: EC at February 22, 2014 10:56 AM (doBIb)

23 What nickname is preferable amongst y'all? Bug or Beetle? Not that I want to start a crossbows vs longbows internecine war or anything, bwahaha!

Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 22, 2014 10:57 AM (/cUUk)

24 I have personal knowledge of that junk yard for sale. He doesn't know what he has. 'Cause the owner is a fucking space cadet.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 22, 2014 10:57 AM (Bek89)

25 The VW thing could be interesting. Ferdinand Piech is as cold and ruthless as they come. He. Does. Not. Play.

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 22, 2014 10:59 AM (8FyP4)

26 "I would argue that the entire 1963-67 Â“C2Â” generation run was the acme of Corvette design, and the styling of the coupe worked even better than the roadster."

Agreed and agreed. Most beautiful run of cars ever. 63-72 was the golden age for muscle cars, and this was the apex.

Posted by: duke at February 22, 2014 11:01 AM (enhDu)

27 I don't understand why VW would side with unions. They end up trashing the company over the long run. Do you think the big three here would stick with the unions if they magically had the chance to dump them and run? *** Short-term self-interest. In Germany the management is also part of the union.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 11:01 AM (DmNpO)

28 Posted by: EC at February 22, 2014 02:56 PM (doBIb) According to an article I read, VW has some sort of shared governance structure which gives the german unions a considerable element of control.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at February 22, 2014 11:01 AM (hq5sb)

29 If the UAW succeeds in "arranging" for another vote at the VW plant, I have no doubt that the union will lose by an even larger margin. And whatever happened to the card-check results the union said they had, showing overwhelming support?

Posted by: Rich B at February 22, 2014 11:02 AM (ngepH)

30 Along with the land, comes some 8,000 cars. Viewing it with Google Earth, that place is unimaginably huge.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at February 22, 2014 11:03 AM (AQTz3)

31 If the UAW succeeds in "arranging" for another vote at the VW plant, I have no doubt that the union will lose by an even larger margin.

The boxes of ballots in my trunk would strongly disagree.

Posted by: A UAW Thug at February 22, 2014 11:03 AM (8ZskC)

32 My dear van (Miss Sienna LE[e]) wasn't quite right in January. Just seemed to be a pause between went I told her to go and she actually went. Got a new tank of gas and everything is fine now. Talked to someone who said "oh, yeh, never get gas at that grocery store because they get condensation in their tanks." Not just that station, but ones at grocery stores or Walmart in general. True? Coincidence?

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 22, 2014 11:04 AM (SUKHu)

33 29 I hope you're right.

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 22, 2014 11:04 AM (8FyP4)

34 And whatever happened to the card-check results the union said they had, showing overwhelming support? *** The merciless destruction of all attempts at Card-Check legislation is, IMHO, one of the most important issues to undertake. It is a hill to die on.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 11:04 AM (DmNpO)

35 Posted by: Rich B at February 22, 2014 03:02 PM (ngepH) You mean the non-private "sign here or we harm you" card checks? Yeah I'm sure those were accurate. Which BTW is why we need to oppose the card check bill, it's a blatant union power grab.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at February 22, 2014 11:04 AM (hq5sb)

36 Frankly I highly doubt Corker's statements affected the vote that much some people probably assumed he was lying anyway.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at February 22, 2014 02:55 PM (hq5sb)

Corker's saying what he has to say to get through a primary fight. The UAW will hold off on another vote until after Corker gets reelected, then he'll suddenly see the Union light.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 22, 2014 11:06 AM (uCYHf)

37 It's a coincidence Mama AJ. Around here, stores like WalMart and Kroger typically have the best prices on gas and do a high volume of sales. Most likely, someone at the terminal didn't de-water the tank and a slug of water made it into the tanker truck.

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 22, 2014 11:07 AM (8FyP4)

38 >>What nickname is preferable amongst y'all? Bug or Beetle? I grew up only calling them Bugs. Now I only hear people call them Beetles. Don't know if it's time or location, though. Meanwhile, I'm still trying to get used to calling a shopping cart a 'buggy'. Which is not actually relevant, so forget I mentioned it.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 22, 2014 11:12 AM (SUKHu)

39 Meanwhile, I'm still trying to get used to calling a shopping cart a 'buggy'. Which is not actually relevant, so forget I mentioned it. **** I called them buggies growing up but now mostly call hem carts.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 11:14 AM (DmNpO)

40 I called them buggies growing up but now mostly call hem carts. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 03:14 PM (DmNpO) I understand Vic used to sell buggy whips!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 22, 2014 11:15 AM (o3MSL)

41 23 What nickname is preferable amongst y'all? Bug or Beetle? Not that I want to start a crossbows vs longbows internecine war or anything, bwahaha! Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller _____________________________________ I've always heard them called both. It's not "Serious Shit", like mispronouncing Porsche or calling a BMW automobile a Beemer.

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 22, 2014 11:15 AM (8FyP4)

42 Buggies? Carts? Are y'all talking about baskets?

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 22, 2014 11:16 AM (8FyP4)

43 Gasoline Water Condensation: If you aren't using Sta-Bil Fuel Stabilizer (Marine formal even better), you should be, especially in the winter. Your car might run on the 10% ethanol crap, but without treating for the water, the ethanol basically becomes useless as a fuel. So instead of a 1-2% hit in mpg, you'll get a 10% hit in mpg. Plus it protects the entire fuel system from corrosion and seal damage.

Posted by: phreshone at February 22, 2014 11:17 AM (Q6pxP)

44 Talked to someone who said "oh, yeh, never get gas at that grocery store because they get condensation in their tanks." Not just that station, but ones at grocery stores or Walmart in general.

A particular store maybe, not lets bash Walmart.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 22, 2014 11:17 AM (DL2i+)

45 A particular store maybe, not lets bash Walmart. Okay, Yoda.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 22, 2014 11:20 AM (kWewi)

46 I grew up only calling them Bugs.

If you punch me while I'm driving there will be trouble.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 22, 2014 11:20 AM (DL2i+)

47 What nickname is preferable amongst y'all? Bug or Beetle?>>

Bug, since Slug Beetle just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 22, 2014 11:20 AM (TI3xG)

48 Is the weather pretty across most of the country today because it sure is slow in here.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 11:22 AM (DmNpO)

49 Oh hell, I totally flaked out and forgot to mention that it's Daytona 500 weekend.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 11:23 AM (DmNpO)

50 7 laps to go in the Nationwide race

Posted by: phreshone at February 22, 2014 11:24 AM (Q6pxP)

51 Beats forty acres and a mule.

Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller denounces his/her self at February 22, 2014 11:24 AM (/cUUk)

52 Almost no passing in Nationwide race.... and now a yellow with about 4 laps to go... should be a green-white-checker finish

Posted by: phreshone at February 22, 2014 11:26 AM (Q6pxP)

53 Are the Olympics over? I didn't watch 2 seconds of that crap. Alls I saw was some girl with a cold sore on her lip standing on a podium kissing her gold medal.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 22, 2014 11:27 AM (kWewi)

54 When the Champagne Edition VW was launched the ad was a triple white convertible Beetle floating among clouds. It was the coolest ad and most beautiful car I had ever seen. It was 1977 and I put the ad on my wall just to gaze at it. My dad bought it, and I have it to this day. And it is beautiful! My kids all learned to drive in that car, almost everything has been replaced, and it only has an AM/FM radio, but it is a great car.

Posted by: Chilling the most at February 22, 2014 11:28 AM (gxtMZ)

55 remember HERBIE THE LOVE BUG? quick, who starred in those movies?

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at February 22, 2014 11:30 AM (kWewi)

56 >> What nickname is preferable amongst y'all? Bug or Beetle? I always thought they were different. Bugs being the classic two-door VW and Beetles being a four-door convertible (not sure if they all are).

Posted by: Y-not at February 22, 2014 11:31 AM (zDsvJ)

57 One of my favorite Matchbox cars was the orange VW camper with the flip-open roof.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 22, 2014 11:32 AM (kWewi)

58 NDH, it's pneumonia weather. Pretty and lethal. My neighborhood rings with the happy note of hoes and pick-axes, as surly denizens attempt to chip away enough pack ice to give all that meltwater a place to go. So, yeah, could be a factor.

Grandfather, a New England lumberjack, called those big sheets of glaciated snow under water a "slickass." Dad picked up "slicker'n snot on glass" somewhere. I had the scarifier tines down on the box blade, and a ton of down-pressure was just skating across the top of the shit.

For some reason, we didn't get our usual tree-stripping Groundhog Day ice storm this year. But the glaciated snow has killed about a half-dozen people, not counting those who collapse mining it or the cabin fever shootins and stranglins. ot our happiest season, here on the north coast.

If you can afford to heat the garage, great weather for working on the race car.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 22, 2014 11:32 AM (xq1UY)

59 Dean Jones and that guy from Young and the Restless.

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 22, 2014 11:34 AM (8FyP4)

60 The most impressive thing about the Volkswagen ad campaign is that they started from about as far behind as you could get. They were stuck with trying to sell Hitler's car.

They made Hitler's car lovable.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 22, 2014 11:34 AM (celt+)

61 Does young Denise Richards in wet white short shorts count as the working man?

Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2014 11:34 AM (4+AaH)

62 The Bug of the 70s was a double edged sword for winter driving. It had better traction than the rear wheel drive cars of that period. But being air cooled the heat/defrost was crap. So seeing where you were going was an adventure. They sold add on heaters but I never had one.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 22, 2014 11:34 AM (TI3xG)

63 When the Champagne Edition VW was launched the ad was a triple white convertible Beetle floating among clouds. It was the coolest ad and most beautiful car I had ever seen. It was 1977 and I put the ad on my wall just to gaze at it. My dad bought it, and I have it to this day. And it is beautiful! My kids all learned to drive in that car, almost everything has been replaced, and it only has an AM/FM radio, but it is a great car. *** Very cool. Most kids today have no idea how to drive a stick.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 11:36 AM (DmNpO)

64 Those add-on Webasto heaters fro the VWs and early Porsches used gasoline for fuel.

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 22, 2014 11:37 AM (8FyP4)

65 There was indeed some snobbery among VW owners. When the Super Beetle was introduced (71 I think), with modern front suspension, slightly longer wheelbase, and the little vent behind the rear-seat window, there was quite a bit of not calling those "bugs."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 22, 2014 11:37 AM (xq1UY)

66 I drive a VW Eurovan which is a really awesome Van, we have 4 kids and we have a ton more space tin the same footprint as a Sienna or Odyssey. Too bad they don't sell them here anymore.

Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2014 11:37 AM (4+AaH)

67 Dang, Stringer. And here I am, sitting inside with a 70 degree day outside, and too lazy to edge my driveway.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 11:37 AM (DmNpO)

68 I think Buddy Hackett was in those Herbie movies too.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 22, 2014 11:38 AM (kWewi)

69 The cars are called bugs and the carts are called carts heathens.

Posted by: eleven at February 22, 2014 11:39 AM (fsLdt)

70 Lindsey Lohan made a Herbie movie when she was still a teen and Disney photoshopped her boobs out of the movie. No kidding.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 11:40 AM (DmNpO)

71 >>It's a coincidence Mama AJ. Thanks. >>Gasoline Water Condensation: If you aren't using Sta-Bil Fuel Stabilizer (Marine formal even better), you should be, especially in the winter. Will check that out.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 22, 2014 11:41 AM (SUKHu)

72 I always thought they were different. Bugs being the classic two-door VW and Beetles being a four-door convertible (not sure if they all are).>>

Bugs/Beetles were only 2 doors. Are you thinking of the Thing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_181

Posted by: The Hickster at February 22, 2014 11:41 AM (TI3xG)

73 Remakes make me sick.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 22, 2014 11:41 AM (kWewi)

74 My first car was a '63 Bug. Unfortunately, it was 1986 and it had had a hard life.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 22, 2014 11:42 AM (SUKHu)

75 True or False? Only douche bags drove Fieros.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 22, 2014 11:43 AM (kWewi)

76 I thought they were cool when they came out ....so yeah.

Posted by: eleven at February 22, 2014 11:43 AM (fsLdt)

77 I used to own a '68 Beetle as a work car. At about 80 mph, the passenger side head would get hot enough that occasionally the rear spark plug would blow out. I miss that car...

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 22, 2014 11:44 AM (8FyP4)

78 Great Moments in Advertising History: "If Ted Kennedy drove a Volkswagen, He'd be President Today" http://tinyurl.com/278gwm2

Posted by: Arbalest at February 22, 2014 11:46 AM (FlRtG)

80 I almost bought a Fiero as my first car, but my gear head brother talked me out of it. My logic: It was a "sports car", it cost $1200. His logic: I'd look like a fag, and it wasn't a sports car.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 11:50 AM (ZshNr)

81 Great Moments in Advertising History: "If Ted Kennedy drove a Volkswagen, He'd be President Today" *** LOLOLOLOL!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 11:51 AM (DmNpO)

82 Mine needed a new transmission because it would pop out of 4th gear. I wasn't strong enough to hold it in gear. So...gears one through three got me to school and back. And sometimes it would pull to the left when you hit the brakes. Oh, and it would die constantly in the morning before it was warmed up. Since there were steep hills all around, I was really good at that one-foot-on-gas, one-foot-on-clutch trick.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 22, 2014 11:51 AM (SUKHu)

83 There is no doubt the union will get another bite at the apple, NLRB is for all intents and purposes a union protection force that can do whatever it wants with nobody to stop them The uaw no doubt has the names of those that voted against unionization. The next vote will be much different than the first.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 22, 2014 11:52 AM (Xkr8I)

84 Forty years ago, the Bug was lovable to A Certain Sort because a regular person could replace the synchronizer ring when it wore out, or adjust the brakes. A friend of mine used to rebuild an engine on the kitchen table every winter. Crumple a fender? IIRC it was eight bolts to install a new one. Then, around that time, doing stuff like that stopped being a cool way to spend your spare time. We changed.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 22, 2014 11:54 AM (xq1UY)

85 True or False? Only douche bags drove Fieros. *** Heh http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=294651#c7126068

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 11:55 AM (DmNpO)

86 Into women.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 22, 2014 11:55 AM (xq1UY)

87 The NLRB is stacked with "Presidential" appointees so don't ever bet against what those liberal scum will do

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2014 11:56 AM (661dU)

88 My brother's first car was a Bug. Every time he wanted to go somewhere, my sister and I had to push the car down the driveway so he could pop start it.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at February 22, 2014 11:56 AM (bCEmE)

89 So I was a tad busy today but I saw the American Hockey team embarrassed itself today

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2014 11:57 AM (661dU)

90 Oh hell, I totally flaked out and forgot to mention that it's Daytona 500 weekend.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 03:23 PM (DmNpO

I heard a blip on the news last night that Kyle Larson wrecked and went into the catch fence. Must have been during a practice. Haven't heard anymore about it.

Posted by: Ronster at February 22, 2014 11:58 AM (puNd6)

91 I had a buddy in HS, who's dad who was rich as shit, bought him a 64 sting ray with those outside mufflers, all decked out. He was sort of a dick. Wrecked it and no one gave a shit. Now the guy with GTO! That was a bad MFing car. http://tinyurl.com/khgu3bb

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 22, 2014 11:59 AM (0FSuD)

92 As mine friend called it, "Common Gear"

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 11:59 AM (aDwsi)

93 True or False?

Only douche bags drove Fieros.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 22, 2014 03:43 PM (kWewi)

Exhibit A: While in High School, Brett Scallions of the band Fuel drove a silver Fiero.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 22, 2014 12:00 PM (uCYHf)

94 The next vote will be much different than the first. Posted by: Kreplach ------------------------------ Most likely..., but E. Tennessee people don't like to be jerked around.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 12:00 PM (aDwsi)

95 27 I don't understand why VW would side with unions. They end up trashing the company over the long run. Do you think the big three here would stick with the unions if they magically had the chance to dump them and run? 20% of VW is owned by the Saxony government, a state in Germany. That government is run by socialist and they have TWO board seats. That explain it?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 22, 2014 12:02 PM (0FSuD)

96 Blue Streak is coming on Fox now. Or, if you prefer, Pompeii: God's Revenge is on Discovery. Really? God's revenge?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 12:03 PM (DmNpO)

97
'63 was the best year evah for cars. says me anyway.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 22, 2014 12:03 PM (n0DEs)

98 48?

Beautiful day in the Golden Isles. Opened the house up.

FYI, the local Tractor Supply sells StarTron fuel stabilizer. Since this is the first winter I've used it in my mower deck I can't attest to it, but there you have it.

Life's a funny thing. That widow of an old friend & neighbor of mine and I kind of lost touch with each other. The widow 2 doors down keeps asking me to join her at Southside Baptist, and I've been doing that. They have a small, but very nice congregation. Got a new pastor last week.

Posted by: backhoe at February 22, 2014 12:04 PM (ULH4o)

99 92 As mine friend called it, "Common Gear" Volkswagen is German for "The peoples Car" started by Hitler. I had a friend that had one before they had gas gauges. You drove it till it died, then switched to the reserve tank, one gallon and went to the gas station.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 22, 2014 12:04 PM (0FSuD)

100 Does anybody in here drive an automatic with two feet?

Posted by: Big Ben at February 22, 2014 12:06 PM (I5Htn)

101 Now that I am happily married and off the market, I can let you morons (and -ettes) in on a little secret. I have a late model Ghia in mint condition. I drive it around town in the summer, and... It Is A Chick Magnet!! I get a smile from nearly every lady that I see, be they 18 to 81! My wife does not let me drive it if I take our Aussie Sheepdog along, because between the Ghia and the cute dog, well - best keep your wimminz indoors if you see me coming!

Moronettes, as for being a guy magnet, I'll just mention that I originally struck up a conversation with my wife over the car she was getting into. You'll never guess what it was! To keep her from driving away, I just grabbed the bumper and lifted the rear wheels off the ground!

That last sentence may be like Obama's golf scorecard, slightly exaggerated.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at February 22, 2014 12:06 PM (qIFL7)

102 100 Does anybody in here drive an automatic with two feet?

Posted by: Big Ben at February 22, 2014 04:06 PM (I5Htn)

*raises hand*

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at February 22, 2014 12:06 PM (bCEmE)

103 NDH. Fuck NASCAR and Brian France. I went for 20 years, only thing I miss? The oysters at the Oyster Bar. That and drunk redneck girls mostly naked on the beach if it's not 40 degrees, which most years it is.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 22, 2014 12:07 PM (0FSuD)

104

>>"If they, the UAW and the NLRB, succeed in overturning this vote"

They will. They're more ruthless and determined than we are. Don't we have enough proof of this by now? But maybe Rand Paul will stand up and give a droning speech or Sarah Palin will launch an awesome facebook statement. That'll scare the other side.

Posted by: rrpjr at February 22, 2014 12:08 PM (s/yC1)

105 *raises hand* ** No girl!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 12:08 PM (DmNpO)

106 I used to own a '68 Beetle as a work car. At about 80 mph, the passenger side head would get hot enough that occasionally the rear spark plug would blow out. I miss that car...

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 22, 2014 03:44 PM (8FyP4)

80mph? Downhill with a strong tailwind?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 22, 2014 12:08 PM (yh0zB)

107 No you do not!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 12:08 PM (DmNpO)

108 57 One of my favorite Matchbox cars was the orange VW camper with the flip-open roof. Posted by: soothsayer at February 22, 2014 03:32 PM (kWewi) Ha ha. I have the tent that goes to that car. It is fucking huge. Big hole in the side to zip on to the car.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 22, 2014 12:08 PM (0FSuD)

109 Only douche bags drove Fieros. ------------ Well..., perhaps you've never encountered a 1988 GT with the supercharged 3.8 L install. The '88 was a superior car to the earlier versions, as it had an all-new dedicated rear suspension. GM gave up on it too soon, just as the Corvair, and the Riata. Just for grins, here is an '87 with 3.8L squaring off against a Z06 Corvette. It only takes a few seconds... http://tinyurl.com/kwtcz3q

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 12:09 PM (aDwsi)

110 No girl!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 04:08 PM (DmNpO)

Sorry! I just always have, since I was 16....and just never you mind how many years ago that was.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at February 22, 2014 12:09 PM (bCEmE)

111 Anyone have a suggestion for a website for aftermarket suspension parts?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2014 12:10 PM (QFxY5)

112 Speaking of vehicles I want, how about the Gibbs Humdinga?

http://tinyurl.com/kogwt7c

Posted by: Country Singer at February 22, 2014 12:11 PM (uCYHf)

113

No girl!

lo0l

Posted by: eleven at February 22, 2014 12:11 PM (fsLdt)

114 One question: Have the three Obama "appointees" to the NLRB stepped down yet? (...After multiple court cases in which it was determined -repeatedly- that the Senate gets to determine when the Senate is in session, not Dear Leader; and that therefore Obama's attempt at stuffing the board with yes-men was invalid...) I haven't read anything about Obama's swift acquiescence to these judgments, so --- I'll assume that he intends to delay, appeal, and drag his Imperial feet until all the members of all the relevant courts have died of old age...

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at February 22, 2014 12:11 PM (1Q8rH)

115 That guy on live TV feed from Kiev is almost ghey good looking. Teach him English and he'll be a star. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LFrMcoEm4#t=1837998

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 22, 2014 12:12 PM (0FSuD)

116 Does anybody in here drive an automatic with two feet? -------------------- As my mother grew older, I would watch with cringing dismay as she controlled speed by brake, rather than throttle. I have no idea how the brakes and transmission survived.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 12:12 PM (aDwsi)

117 But....I DO.NOT. ride the break!

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at February 22, 2014 12:13 PM (bCEmE)

118 Does anybody in here drive an automatic with two feet?

Posted by: Big Ben at February 22, 2014 04:06 PM (I5Htn)

No, because my other car is a stick and when you drive a stick you learn not do do those sorts of things.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 22, 2014 12:15 PM (yh0zB)

119 No, because my other car is a stick and when you drive a stick you learn not do do those sorts of things. *** Yep. I learned to drive both an automatic and a stick as a teen and learned how and when to use that left foot.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 22, 2014 12:16 PM (DmNpO)

120 Posted by: Tami at February 22, 2014 04:09 PM (bCEmE)

About 12 years ago...just as your modeling career took off.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2014 12:16 PM (QFxY5)

121 But....I DO.NOT. ride the break!

Posted by: Tami at February 22, 2014 04:13 PM (bCEmE)

Brake. (Break is what you do with coffee)

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 22, 2014 12:16 PM (yh0zB)

122 No, because my other car is a stick and when you drive a stick you learn not do do those sorts of things. Posted by: GGE of the Moron ---------------- Ahhhh. But have you ever stabbed the brake pedal in the Subbie with your clutch foot?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 12:17 PM (aDwsi)

123 I was not talking about riding the brakes. It never made sense to me to move a foot from the gas to the brake pedal.

Posted by: Big Ben at February 22, 2014 12:17 PM (I5Htn)

124 You're my new best friend, CBD.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at February 22, 2014 12:17 PM (bCEmE)

125 (and if you drive an automatic with two feet, you most certainly do ride the brake, you just don't realize it. Maybe only for a second or two leaving from a full stop, but you do it.)

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 22, 2014 12:18 PM (yh0zB)

126 Brake. (Break is what you do with coffee)

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 22, 2014 04:16 PM (yh0zB)

Oops! Indeed. My bad.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at February 22, 2014 12:19 PM (bCEmE)

127 Ahhhh. But have you ever stabbed the brake pedal in the Subbie with your clutch foot?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 04:17 PM (aDwsi)

The Subi is the stick.

Yeah, I get that a lot, but the Mustang is the "top down cruise around" car, if I wanted a Camaro hunter I'd have gotten the hard-top with a 6 speed and Brembo brake package.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 22, 2014 12:19 PM (yh0zB)

128 125 * nods head..., silently..., and from a distance *

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 12:20 PM (aDwsi)

129 125 (and if you drive an automatic with two feet, you most certainly do ride the brake, you just don't realize it. Maybe only for a second or two leaving from a full stop, but you do it.)

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 22, 2014 04:18 PM (yh0zB)

I don't but there's no way I can prove it to you so.....

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at February 22, 2014 12:20 PM (bCEmE)

130

About 12 years ago...just as your modeling career took off.

That is one smoove move.

Posted by: eleven at February 22, 2014 12:20 PM (fsLdt)

131 but to answer your next question...occasionally, yes, I do brake-check the 'stang.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 22, 2014 12:20 PM (yh0zB)

132 Damn nice day in CLT. Going to take the Porsche out for a ride in AM. Cool enough not to need A/C, dry and tuned up to a tee. Sunday mornings are bad for bored cops though.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 22, 2014 12:21 PM (0FSuD)

133 I don't but there's no way I can prove it to you so.....

Posted by: Tami at February 22, 2014 04:20 PM (bCEmE)

I believe anything you tell me.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 22, 2014 12:21 PM (yh0zB)

134 127 Yeah, I get that a lot,.. ----------------- You knew how I was going to react, headed it off..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 12:21 PM (aDwsi)

135 Damn nice day in CLT. Going to take the Porsche out for a ride in AM. Cool enough not to need A/C, dry and tuned up to a tee.

Sunday mornings are bad for bored cops though.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 22, 2014 04:21 PM (0FSuD)

Damn nice day in RDU, also, and tomorrow is supposed to be even better. Thinking about taking the 'vert to work, I hate to do that because I get pretty dirty at work but man, I hate to miss a day like this...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 22, 2014 12:23 PM (yh0zB)

136 Haven't owned an automatic since 1965. Damned pretty car though, '67 Malibu coupe , electric blue.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 12:25 PM (aDwsi)

137 You knew how I was going to react, headed it off..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 04:21 PM (aDwsi)

I hear it all the time, "You have a GT but you don't have a STICK? WTF is wrong with you???"

Until I get it on the strip and prove that an automatic is better for 1340 foot runs...not so much for twisty turnys but an auto pilot will never miss a shift. Of course I lose to the hard-tops because of the weight...but she still turned a 13.2 with the top down.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 22, 2014 12:26 PM (yh0zB)

138 If it breaks into the 60's here tomorrow, I will roll out the Triumph. Like tootle up on the Parkway.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 12:27 PM (aDwsi)

139 Well..., perhaps you've never encountered a 1988 GT with the supercharged 3.8 L install. The '88 was a superior car to the earlier versions, as it had an all-new dedicated rear suspension. Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 04:09 PM

I knew a few GM engineers back in the day, and struck up a conversation with one while testing a new Firebird back in (I think) 1990. We were bemoaning the decision to kill the totally redesigned Fiero originally scheduled for '89 or '90 and I told him I imagined that would have been cool with a V8 stuffed in back.

His reply: "It was."

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 22, 2014 12:27 PM (ff7/5)

140 102?

Yep. Use both feet with an automatic. My car- the late Miss Emily's Eclipse has one. My truck- an Amigo has 5 forward gears. And an Xfer case if you want to go "really low." Switching between them at my age is, Ahem! "challenging."

Posted by: backhoe at February 22, 2014 12:27 PM (ULH4o)

141 Haven't owned an automatic since 1965. Damned pretty car though, '67 Malibu coupe , electric blue.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 04:25 PM (aDwsi)

Bring it through the time portal did you?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 22, 2014 12:27 PM (yh0zB)

142 Nood

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at February 22, 2014 12:27 PM (bCEmE)

143 I might take it to car wash, but the last time I did the stupid kids did not know how to use a stick, so I had to get in the car to move it. Can you fucking believe that? At a car wash? I made both my sons leave on a stick BEFORE I would let them get a DL.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 22, 2014 12:28 PM (0FSuD)

144 7 NLRB will set aside the vote IMHO Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 22, 2014 02:43 PM (R8hU I fail to see the basis for doing that. I know, because Fascist Criminal Administration, but I would assume some things must be proven before... Oh, what the fuck am I thinking...... *eyeroll*

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 22, 2014 12:28 PM (igJ6Y)

145 .but she still turned a 13.2 with the top down. Posted by: GGE So what's 13 seconds, compared to the wind in your hair on a Spring day? Well, not much, but you obviously know that.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 12:29 PM (aDwsi)

146 Nood

Posted by: Tami at February 22, 2014 04:27 PM (bCEmE)

Just in time for me to get ready for work. Later roonz and roonettez, fear no evil!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 22, 2014 12:29 PM (yh0zB)

147 Bring it through the time portal did you? Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde ---------------- Beautiful car, but 283 & Turboglide.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 12:30 PM (aDwsi)

148 His reply: "It was." Posted by: MrScribbler ---------------- Another car killed by the fcuking bean-counters.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 12:31 PM (aDwsi)

149 Another car killed by the fcuking bean-counters. Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 04:31 PM

You have no idea how many there have been!

I was lucky enough to try a few prototypes over the years, mainly from Ford and GM, but also a handful of Japanese and European makes.

Ninety percent of 'em I still wish I could buy....

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 22, 2014 12:35 PM (ff7/5)

150 What happened to the Steyn thread?

Posted by: buzzion at February 22, 2014 12:49 PM (LI48c)

151 What happened to the new, interesting post I wuz about to comment on?

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at February 22, 2014 12:50 PM (hn70M)

152 Looks like the Steyn thread was pulled because ace put up a new thread.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at February 22, 2014 12:51 PM (bCEmE)

153 WTF?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 12:51 PM (aDwsi)

154 150 What happened to the Steyn thread? Posted by: buzzion

I believe Andy used the phrase "dumb as a bag of mongrels" and ace aced it.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 22, 2014 12:52 PM (hn70M)

155 As I was saying

Posted by: M Mann at February 22, 2014 12:57 PM (N3Al8)

156 Beautiful car, but 283 & Turboglide.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 04:30 PM (aDwsi)

I was referring to you saying that it was a 67 and you owned it in 65...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 22, 2014 01:00 PM (yh0zB)

157 I'm guessing it was a '65 and you had it until '67, and I like the lines on the 65...of course, I liked the full-size Chevys from 55 all the way up to the early 70's.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 22, 2014 01:04 PM (yh0zB)

158 Yeah. I tire quickly of blaming All My Problems on the punks in the UAW plants. Are they jerks, you betcha. But when you sum up our issues with the US auto industry, most of our complaints are with American management, not American labor. There used to be a bitter joke at the four-lettered of the Big 3, that its vice-presidents were in the business of not making cars.

100% of Alfa Romeos were final-assembled by true communists, and Henry Ford said "When I see an Alfa Romeo, I take off my hat." BMW's were built by the same guys, except with a migrant-labor permit. French and English auto assembly laborers? Puh-leeze. In both aptitude and attitude, the worst of our run-of-the-millrats put them to shame. And yet, their products have some fans.

Everybody finds it easy to blame the Chevette, for instance, on Lordstown. Probably, that car's assembly quality was no better than any other shitbox. But its legendary shortcomings were designed in, and well known by certain managers before it went to market. There have been big books written on why GM was like that. UAW members built those breathtaking C2 Corvettes, too.

Not that they aren't less than they should be, but we have bigger problems than just the quality of UAW labor. And we hate, hate our own business institutions.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 22, 2014 01:04 PM (xq1UY)

159 "We're committed to standing with the Volkswagen workers to ensure that their right to have a fair vote without coercion and interference is protected," said UAW President Bob King."
-----

The worms never stop gnawing. Never.

Posted by: Beef at February 22, 2014 01:10 PM (XERws)

160 Not that they aren't less than they should be, but we have bigger problems than just the quality of UAW labor. And we hate, hate our own business institutions.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 22, 2014 05:04 PM (xq1UY)

It's not the quality of the labor that is an issue, it's the cost. A fender-bolter-onner isn't worth 35 bucks an hour...which is why the UAW has lost so many jobs to Robbie the Robot.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 22, 2014 01:26 PM (yh0zB)

161 @23, we always called them Bettlebugs

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at February 22, 2014 01:46 PM (cCxiu)

162 I doubt that extending this through appeals is going to work out well for the UAW - they are showing they have one major front and will pour resources in when they have lost. That is not a good strategy.

The second Karmaan Ghia commercial is one I love.

And 'Hot Rod Lincoln' is the top car rock song - in my utterly biased and unreasonable opinion.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Wrathful Grapes and Contemptuous Celery in the Produce Department! at February 22, 2014 02:23 PM (gmoEG)

163 Mikey, let's argue all night over whether Hot Rod Lincoln is even "rock." It's pretty clearly Country. And Western.

GGE, respectfully disagree on the nature of the complaint, and for evidence, merely look back at the shouting and screaming evident in these very pages over the last few days/and/or/decade. There is a deep-seated hatred there.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 22, 2014 02:41 PM (xq1UY)

164 Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 22, 2014 06:41 PM (xq1UY)

It crosses the line of rock and country - 'rockabilly' - I think. Truly classic and it can peg in both genres because there are youngsters (not me - I peg 48 next week) who still slam the right foot down on the family car on a weekend night.*

*Back in high school I had a friend who had a '73 Caprice that was about as rusted out as you could expect in Michigan in the early 1980's. He got it from his grandparents and they towed a large Airstream. So it had a 45something unbelievably huge under the hood. When he floored it at a light TransAms and others would watch that old boat just sprint like - an Impala; like an actual impala would sprint when the cheetah is following.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Wrathful Grapes and Contemptuous Celery in the Produce Department! at February 22, 2014 02:59 PM (gmoEG)

165 I always thought of it as rockabilly.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at February 22, 2014 03:06 PM (zxfH6)

166 It should be noted somewhere that soon-to-be-retired UAW President Bob King is a professed Marxist socialist. Whether King's publicly stated ideological leanings are relevant to the Chattanooga vote or the decline of the UAW and unions in general is a matter of conjecture, but I think it matters. One thing I've learned about large organizations and institutions of any sort is that the character and beliefs of the man or woman at the top ripple downward and outward. If, for example, the one in charge is an asshole, assholery becomes pervasive in the company culture. You see where I'm going with this.

Posted by: troyriser at February 22, 2014 03:12 PM (ptcFO)

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