May 10, 2014

Saturday Gardening Thread: Howdy Partner Edition [Y-not and WeirdDave]
— Open Blogger

Owing to the vagaries of a thing we call Life in a place we call Meat Space, today's gardening thread has two topics: "Ain't Got Time" and "Companion Plants." See if you can tell which is which. (I'm not sure I can!)

This thread brought to you by the avocado:

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Ah, the Seventies! The era of avocado green appliances and fourteen-fingered housewives.


Take it away, WeirdDave:

Folks, my part of this thread is going to be brief. IÂ’m annoyed that Terrance West got drafted by the Browns instead of the Ravens,* so now the best NFL prospect ever from my alma mater is playing for a division rival, plus I have a huge professional issue that has come up and IÂ’ve got to figure out what to do, so IÂ’m taking blogger shortcut #2 to fake content: Lots of pictures, so the thread looks a lot longer than it is. (blogger shortcut #1 is loads of links**).

LetÂ’s start with azaleas. Right now, they are in bloom, and my house is surrounded with them. ThereÂ’s a whole bank of them in my backyard.

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We also have them out front, and one bush in particular is interesting. ItÂ’s white, but it has one branch thatÂ’s bright pink. ItÂ’s not a graft, itÂ’s not a shoot from a different bush pushing through. This white azalea has 2 pink branches.

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The interesting thing is that the white blooms are variegated, which IÂ’ve never seen in an azalea.

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Last year, we ran across azalea bushes for sale for $2 each at the Lowes, so we bought a bunch (26!) and put them in on the front hill of my house. Hopefully in a few years weÂ’ll have a whole bank of wall to wall color when they bloom in the spring.

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See how well prepared for the thread I was? I took a picture in the dark. I mulched about 2/3 of the hill last week, IÂ’ll do the rest this weekend

Finally, I had a few people last week express interest in the faux pho soup I make, so I thought IÂ’d give the recipe. I start with Bulgogi meat. This is thin sliced beef that you can buy pre sliced at most Asian markets. Bulgogi is a Korean dish, quite good. I buy the meat in bulk at the local market and then split it up into baggies, 4-5 slices in a bag. I freeze it and have thin sliced beef on demand for soup, cheesesteaks or anything else that needs some beef, just thaw and use.

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Bulgogi meat

Thaw the meat about halfway, then cut it in half. Put it in a bowl. Put 3 cups of water on to boil and dig a packet of beef ramen soup out of the cupboard (I know the soup packet says 2 cups, but trust me). When the water is boiling, put the noodles in to cook. Take a couple of onion slices, quarter them, and dump them in the bowl with the meat. Add the flavor packet from the soup, sriracha sauce, soy sauce and a tablespoon of better than bullion, just leave it in the tablespoon and let the hot water wash it out.

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At this point it doesnÂ’t look to appetizing

After three minutes, when the noodles are done, pour them into the bowl. The hot water will cook the beef. Stir everything up, garnish with fresh basil from your garden (see? This does have something to do with gardening!) and enjoy.

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Faux Pho

Well, that was weak. Y-not, got something better?

*A Raven's fan upset about the draft? Cry me a river. -- Y-not (Redskins fan)

**Hey! I resemble that remark! -- Y-not

And now from your co-hostess, Y-not:

A few weeks ago I was thinking about what plants to try this year and I discovered that last year - completely by accident - I had stumbled into a beneficial "companion" plant for my tomatoes. Nasturtiums are considered by some to be good to grow near tomatoes because their bright flowers attract pollinators, which tomatoes need. I only grew them because they are pretty and edible!

It occurred to me that other than knowing that legumes can revitalize soils through their ability to "fix" nitrogen and having been told long ago that marigolds are great for repelling garden pests, I don't really know very much about companion planting, so it might be an interesting topic.

To get us started, here's a brief primer on the subject courtesy of Vertical Food Blog:

Successful farmers and growers are well aware of their nutrient demands their crops place upon their soil or aquaponic/hydroponic systems. They know that some plants in particular, like legumes, fix nitrogen and add to soil nutrition while others demand a great deal from the soil or nutrient solution without giving much back throughout their life cycles. Some plants even produce various chemicals that can affect the growth of other plants around them.
Each of these factors play a large role in determining how well plants grow together.
While some plants can inhibit the growth of others, helping to produce maximum yields, surpress pests and facilitate better pollination, pairing the wrong types of plants together can lead to poor or stunted growth and a frustrated farmer/grower.
“Companion Planting” involves planting different plants near each other for overall greater production.

Although this is an old article (circa 1981) from Mother Earth News, it provides a helpful list of plants that should - or should NOT - be planted near one another. For example, here's their entry for kohlrabi:

Plant near: cabbage/cauliflower companions (except tomatoes)
Keep away from: fennel, pole beans, tomatoes
Comments: kohlrabi stunts tomatoes

I like that it's such an extensive list and that it has some explanations of the "whys" of their recommendations, but I wish there was a little more reasoning provided. For example, they say to not plant basil near rue, but they don't say why.

This more recent article provides a Top Ten list of companion plants.

We have a lot of tomato growers in our group, so courtesy of Tree Hugger (I denounce myself!), here's a recommended list of companion plants for your tomatoes: borage, chives, marigolds, nasturtiums, basil, calendula, carrots, peppers, sage, onions, garlic, and leaf lettuce. In this particular case, the gardener is doing container gardening, by the way.

And, for our rose gardeners, the folks at HeirloomRoses provide this list of companion plants for roses.

Although there are some differences of opinion (for example, did you know that the "marigolds are good companion plants" chestnut is controversial?), one commonality is that companion plants should be from a different plant family. The idea being that if you plant highly related plants together, they're likely to compete for the same resources AND attract the same pests.

Courtesy of Penn State University, here's a brief article about the principles of plant rotation for the home garden, as well as a table summarizing the family relationships between common garden plants:

In general, it is not recommended that an area be planted with plants of the same family in succession to avoid the buildup of shared pests. Some plants should not follow members of other families either because of susceptibility to common pests. For example, strawberries (and other members of the Rosaceae) should not be planted after members of the Solanaceae (and vice versa) because they are all susceptible to the disease verticillium wilt. Keep in mind that various weeds also belong to these same families and can also host the same pests. Knowing plant families can also be useful in determining appropriate pesticides to use, when warranted. This can apply to both targeted effects and non-targeted effects such as being toxic to desirable garden plants.

Plants can be rotated to manage soil fertility. This is done by including plants in the rotation to improve the fertility status of the garden soil and rotating among plants that are heavy users of certain nutrients. For example, members of the Fabaceae (legume family) can be grown to add nitrogen to the soil and many members of the Liliaceae are heavy users of potassium.

What have been your experiences with plants that do well together OR that do poorly together?


To wrap things up, how about some Mozart?

The Mister and I are going to go see this opera tonight.


What's happening in your garden?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 09:03 AM | Comments (122)
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1 Okay, this post gives me a sad. We lost our house last fall, and along with it my garden. Raised beds, boardwalks between, nicely fenced, with some roses, lilies, lots of places for lovely tomato plants and bush beans, even a stand of sweet corn. Always those lumpy bumpy pumpkins. Drove by it last weekend and the new owner is flipping it by putting a driveway over my ex-garden to the new huge garage. Roses gone, huge bleeding heart paved over. I has a sad.

Posted by: tcn at May 10, 2014 09:08 AM (g+qqc)

2 Dig in!

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 09:08 AM (zDsvJ)

3 My daughter and I are trying the garden in a bag of dirt technique. So far all is well.

Posted by: eman at May 10, 2014 09:09 AM (EWsrI)

4 >>1 Okay, this post gives me a sad. We lost our house last fall, and along with it my garden. Aww, sorry tcn. When we fled Cali, we had just finished doing a pretty nice xeriscaping & dryscaping project. Plus, I had a lot of nice potted plants that I left. I hope you can at least do some container gardening in your new digs.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 09:10 AM (zDsvJ)

5 Rainfall here has been either all or nothing. In April, we got 4.5 inches. All in the first half of the month, though. So far this month, we've had almost 3 inches. And that was all on Thursday and Friday! Luckily, it was a slow gentle rain for most of the day Thursday so the ground had a chance to absorb it before it poured during part of Thurs. night and Friday. BRB with a pic of the blackberry bushes. Well, the blackberry area, since they spread! Got to get the netting up very soon so we're not just feeding the birds. We have one little green tomato and lots of flowers.

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 10, 2014 09:10 AM (SUKHu)

6 Ya gotta mulch, Jerry.

Posted by: eman at May 10, 2014 09:12 AM (EWsrI)

7 It's finally warm enough here to put my hanging basket outside. That's as far as I've gotten.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2014 09:15 AM (oMKp3)

8 I have a couple of little planters outside, but I'm taking a year off gardening. I think I will hit all the you-pick-em farms this year and see what I can put up in the freezer and on the shelf and leave spreading the cow poo to somebody else. Of course, I will have more time to drink that way....

Posted by: tcn at May 10, 2014 09:21 AM (g+qqc)

9 BTW, self-cleaning ovens can give off fumes that will make a pet bird drop dead even if it's not in the kitchenÂ… just saying' in case ya dint know. And might have one or t'other.

Posted by: OK, thanks, bye at May 10, 2014 09:22 AM (uopHF)

10 You know, when you said this was the gardening thread- bipolar edition, I was hoping you were going to show me how to grow my own lithium.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2014 09:22 AM (oMKp3)

11 Our garlic plants didn't make it. The onions we bought at the same time are doing very well. I took a pic of the main part of the blackberry bush, but there's quite a bit more of it.

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 10, 2014 09:22 AM (SUKHu)

12 I bought an old farm house a long time ago that had an avocado green oven in it. It was so filthy that when I cleaned it, the racks fell off the insides. They were held there by grease. Sears Roebuck was my friend that day. Avocado green was banished to the burn pile.

Posted by: tcn at May 10, 2014 09:23 AM (g+qqc)

13 Here is a really nice companion planting chart you can download from my dropbox account.

http://bit.ly/1iBD2Ff

Posted by: Hank Curmudgeon at May 10, 2014 09:24 AM (sUkbv)

14 Our roses have gone crazy this spring. I can't recall as many flowers at one time. Squash and cucumbers are getting busy, and tomatoes are growing fast. The one I have in a container on the deck is about a foot tall with some blooms on it. One of the blueberries is covered with berries, but they aren't ripening fast enough for me. Some of my lillies are getting ready to bloom. All-in-all a good start to the year, and we haven't had a huge amount of rain yet.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at May 10, 2014 09:27 AM (zT0DN)

15 BTW, I've put up a political thread below this one if/when you get bored. We didn't really have a current politics thread yet today.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 09:30 AM (zDsvJ)

16 Ah, the Seventies! The era of avocado green appliances and fourteen-fingered housewives.


That babe has never cleaned a stove in her life. And I don't know if the Morons know it or not but Sear appliances are now crap.  Even their refers which used to be the best are crap.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 09:32 AM (T2V/1)

17 Let�s start with azaleas. Right now, they are in bloom, and my house is surrounded with them.


They have done bloomed and gone down here.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 09:33 AM (T2V/1)

18 I got the little garden spot tilled and partially fenced. Wife planted a few things. Onions are peeking through the soil. May get 6 inches of snow tomorrow.

Posted by: Ronster at May 10, 2014 09:34 AM (GhNj1)

19 Y-not Your azaleas are gorgeous. They just won't survive on limestone in these parts. Btw, first glance scanning the still shot of "The Mister and I" had me thinking Mr. Rogers' weird neighborhood before the double take to see Mozart. A fun alternative to the usual summer Gilbert and Sullivan production. /Turks 'n Harems. Who'd have thought Boko Haram school girl wholesale harem would be headline news in time to sell Mozart comedic opera tickets. That was then; this is now. That was Ottoman Anatolia. This is Nigerian Africa.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 10, 2014 09:36 AM (gmrH5)

20 I will share two vegetable gardening secrets that I've been using for years. To prevent cutworms from snipping off your newly transplanted tomatoes or peppers, loosely wrap the stem in a piece of newspaper. Works great and is friendly to the garden. Crows and some other birds will pull up your corn seedlings when they are just emerging and eat the now soft seed. I have had entire plantings ripped out this way in a bad year. Now, what I do is take a little bit of turpentine....the natural stuff, not paint thinner...and put it in a container. Say about a teaspoon for a pound of seed. Add the seed and tumble it around . Plant it right away. Old Crow will pull up one or two, but he doesn't like that 'bad whiskey' burn that he'll get in his throat and he'll leave your corn alone. Hope this helps someone.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at May 10, 2014 09:37 AM (l3vZN)

21 90 foot of Yukon gold taters, 45 foot of walla walla onions, a row mixed broccoli, bok choy and caggabe, a row of some oriental green stuff, 45 capsicum peppers. waiting on the weather to warm up for the tomatoes...

Posted by: Cicero Kid at May 10, 2014 09:39 AM (Fp7JI)

22 Again from my dropbox folder is a collection of greenhouse construction manualsÂ…

http://bit.ly/1iC82tc

Posted by: Hank Curmudgeon at May 10, 2014 09:39 AM (sUkbv)

23 If you have a true nasturtium next to your tomatoes, would you make your own capers? I may do that when we have our "forever home." I just can't put in the work it requires only to move in two years. Oh, and those Betty Crocker oven-liners you can find at Bed, Bath and Beyond are the best things ever to avoid having to really clean the oven.

Posted by: no good deed at May 10, 2014 09:43 AM (ILBCY)

24 Question for the pros. Is grass killer safe for tulips? The person that recommended it said its not safe for crocus which makes sense they have very grass like leaves but I'm wondering about the other bulbs. If its not safe now is it safe when the bulbs go dormant? We have some mixed up, not sure I can find the concentrate container or if the warnings would still be legible if I did find it as its at least 2-3 years old.

Posted by: PaleRider at May 10, 2014 09:45 AM (5CusZ)

25 Bare root blackberries started putting on growth a week ago. Pulling blossoms off of new, been in the ground a couple of weeks, strawberries. 1/3 of 8X22 bed planted. Rest will have to wait till next year. Raised bed on slightly sloping ground. Building up the lower end as a compost pile. I think the brand new this year blueberry bushes have set some berries. Never grown em before so not sure. Need to get some lumber in around them to make it easier to keep their area at proper pH. Can't wait, but I'll have to, till they get 4-5' tall and the same across. 4 bushes should produce lots of berries for one old man. Need to get some cantaloupe seeds and get em planted in current, pretty much done compost pile. Have planted like that before and wow, tasty. Even grew up into a small tree next to the pile and there were cantaloupes hanging from limbs. Crazy looking.

Posted by: teej at May 10, 2014 09:45 AM (aqfuo)

26 I want to wish Michelle Obama a Happy Mothers Day and for being the best first Mother of our Country since Hillary. Thank You Michelle XXOOXXOOXXOO

Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at May 10, 2014 09:53 AM (hP/Mt)

27 My azaleas keep getting eaten by the deer meaning I can't get the to flower, which is the suck. Meanwhile the new rose I planted (bare root) on March 30th still hasn't put out any shoots. At what point do I assume it's dead, dig it back up and try to get my $9 back?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 10, 2014 09:57 AM (HDwDg)

28 Our roses spent their first growth. I just pruned them back before the dead blossoms went to hips. The "miniature" rose bushes seem the most happy in full sun Southwest drought. Maybe because they're potted and then set in whiskey barrels retaining the watering that those in ground lose to our serious winds and hot sun. Our yucca blossoms have expired. Our lantana partly shaded by nandina have yet to bloom, but those I passed walking the dog this morning are full of blossoms. The bluebonnets are going to seed, but the Indian Paint Brush and various other yellow wild daisies are still brilliant, though having peaked. I'm looking forward to seeing the Texas Sage in full bloom along with the many salvias so popular in xeriscaping. Given the price of water and scanty watering schedule severely enforced, we're redesigning our lawns, too. http://www.penick.net/digging/?p=22190 The raised garden heirloom tomatoes are really happy given fresh rainwater. They hate full sun and city chlorinated water. Given the loss of honey bee and butterfly populations here, I used a q-tip to cross pollinate the blossoms the other week. Nice green crop going. This morning I had to shoo a pair of beautiful cardinals out of the tomato vines. We encourage their health with fresh bird bath and drinking water, enjoying their lovely songs. We used to have so many cardinals before our pyracantha were pruned back. They love their dense shrub for cover against the golden hawks and more recently, the damned grackles. Definitely time to give the fig trees their nutrient spikes. Man, the high winds these past few days were like a string of 70+mph tornadoes passing through, ripping neighbors' trees and fences to the ground. Lots of arborists out today earning their living shredding oaks.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 10, 2014 09:57 AM (gmrH5)

29 My 6 upside down tomatoes are in 5 gallon buckets hanging from the roof of an ancient corn crib; the top is filled with several types of basil, garlic, French marigolds, and savory to trellis over the side. The butterflies and bees are strongly attracted to the blooming herbs, and the marigolds are an early warning system for water - they'll wilt before anything else and recover quickly.

Course, these plants all have other benefits too, as shown in the links Y-not posted.

On calm mornings in mid summer, it's almost sensory overload to be near these plants. Everything's in bloom, the insects are buzzing and fluttering away doing their jobs, and the scent of basil hangs thick in the air. When friends visit they just stop there and stare.

When I started growing tomatoes this way I thought it was kind of silly, a novelty for the ladies to talk about, but it's really turned out well. Maybe this will be the year to make a webpage for them.

Posted by: Xavier at May 10, 2014 09:59 AM (PHzIf)

30 10 You know, when you said this was the gardening thread- bipolar edition, I was hoping you were going to show me how to grow my own lithium. --- LOL! I thought all you did is stick a couple of batteries in the ground.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:00 AM (zDsvJ)

31 Oh and my Fuggles hop is growing like crazy. It'll be a foot tall at least by this time next week. The other two are significantly slower to grow.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 10, 2014 10:00 AM (HDwDg)

32 Well, that one answered something I'd wondered panzernashorn. I guess you're in Texas, or someplace close. I'm a couple states north.

Posted by: teej at May 10, 2014 10:02 AM (PUuQq)

33 I have roses everywhere, I have minis in front of full sized roses. I spray weekly. I love to spray for diseases, mites & insects. ItÂ’s one of my favorite things to do in my garden. I once had annuals, Marigolds in front of the roses, but I cannot stand the smell of them and they attract spider mites, roses also attract spider mites. My least favorite is spring pruning.

Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 10:05 AM (gjOCp)

34 Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 02:05 PM (gjOCp) If my Linda Hayes rose keeps growing the way it has been by next year it'll be huge. Which is good, I need something to add some color to the otherwise colorless front of my house. Now if I could just get something to grow and not die on the left side of my front yard.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 10, 2014 10:08 AM (HDwDg)

35 27 My azaleas keep getting eaten by the deer meaning I can't get the to flower, which is the suck. Meanwhile the new rose I planted (bare root) on March 30th still hasn't put out any shoots. At what point do I assume it's dead, dig it back up and try to get my $9 back? Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at May 10, 2014 01:57 PM (HDwDg) Can one eat Azalea-fed deer? I know honey from them is poisonous.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at May 10, 2014 10:08 AM (Fp7JI)

36 11 Our garlic plants didn't make it. The onions we bought at the same time are doing very well. --- I've got red onions from seed (they are teeny weeny thin guys right now) and sweet onions and shallots from starts. I've never done them before so it'll be interesting to see how they do. So far my best performers from seed (recall I planted direct into my raised beds - I didn't do starters indoors) have been the radishes. Beets and arugula seem to be doing pretty well, too. Carrots and spinach are frustratingly slow. I put in a bunch of snap pea starts and they're doing great. One frustration I have is that two of my shrub roses, which I had thought were unkillable, are very sick. Only different thing I did this year was waiting until Spring to prune them. Prior two years I pruned in late Fall. I don't know if that's why they're so sick. Going to feed and treat them today. I'm not a big rose fan, but it'll be a pain if I have to tear them out as they're in the front bed, right near my front door. And the bed is held in place by a dry fit rock wall. So if I have to get them torn out, I'll need pros and I may need a new retaining wall... which I can't really afford right now.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:08 AM (zDsvJ)

37 19 Y-not Your azaleas are gorgeous. -- They're WeirdDave's. He's in MD. I don't see a lot of azaleas here in Utah. I suppose they grow here, but we tend to have a lot of lilacs where you might see azaleas.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:09 AM (zDsvJ)

38 Posted by: Cicero Kid at May 10, 2014 02:08 PM (Fp7JI :shrug: They come well after dark, so I'm not sure I'd want to even try to get them with a bow.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 10, 2014 10:10 AM (HDwDg)

39 My least favorite is spring pruning. Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 02:05 PM (gjOCp) No Kidding! Thorns shred my arms. Surface deep scratches surely do bleed an awful lot. I don't spray.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 10, 2014 10:11 AM (gmrH5)

40 They come well after dark, so I'm not sure I'd want to even try to get them with a bow. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at May 10, 2014 02:10 PM (HDwDg) Dig a pitfall...

Posted by: Cicero Kid at May 10, 2014 10:12 AM (Fp7JI)

41 We 'farm' muck soil. A real beotch with too much rain but a pleasure to work in the heat of the summer. With my cooler. Our beets do great. To the point that this year I am filling orders from friends.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at May 10, 2014 10:14 AM (Fp7JI)

42 There's nothing better than fresh beets from the garden. Yum.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2014 10:15 AM (oMKp3)

43 For the person with the question about the herbicide's effect on tulips, try looking at that chart of plant families at that Penn State link above. Maybe you can figure it out that way.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:15 AM (zDsvJ)

44 Posted by: tcn at May 10, 2014 01:08 PM (g+qqc) For tcn I was just passing through my childhood hometown And noticed the old school was razed to the ground. The path I had trod from my home to its doors Was paved over and painted and not there anymore. Nostalgic, I followed the now missing path In hopes it would take me someplace in my past. A place where the sky rang with laughter and shouts And we chased one another in mystical bouts. Bouts of wonder and fancy, of Kings and their pawns But the path to that moment was paved over and gone. And there in its place were realities pains. The sum of existence in losses and gains. And the anguish rose up in my throat in a rush As my sum was the balance of dreams that were crushed. I stood on that path now paved over and gone And my tears stained its paint as I wrote down this poem.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 10, 2014 10:23 AM (gmrH5)

45 Grammie Can you advise me about how to thin them? I've done one round of very cautious thinning, but I'm kind of nervous about thinning them out too much until it's clear which ones will produce bulbs.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:23 AM (zDsvJ)

46 Beets, that is.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:23 AM (zDsvJ)

47 poem by Beto Ochoa who posts here sometimes

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 10, 2014 10:26 AM (gmrH5)

48 At my parent's home last year, a moss (or something) ended up taking over most of the yard. There was a ton of rain.

No sprays would kill it, even some very strong stuff my uncle, who is a farmer tried.

I ended up going through the yard digging out most of the moss, packing it in garbage bags and getting rid of it in the trash for several weeks.

Does anyone here know what that may have been? And do I have to worry about it coming back for them this year? And without nuking it from orbit, is there another way to get rid of this thing?

Thanks so much.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 10, 2014 10:30 AM (AC0lD)

49 Stateless, This might help: http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/ gardening-plants/invasive-ground-moss-391828.html

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:33 AM (zDsvJ)

50 tcn I'm so sorry

Posted by: chemjeff at May 10, 2014 10:34 AM (9GG/0)

51 What did you wind up doing with that strip of "garden" on teh side of your house, chemjeff?

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:35 AM (zDsvJ)

52 okay so I have a gardening question
I have a bald area in my yard, all of the grass died
so I was thinking of just digging up that area, planting grass seed, and then covering it up with peat moss
will that work?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 10, 2014 10:36 AM (9GG/0)

53 What's happening in your garden? Right now, diddly/squat. But that should change soon. I'm quite fond of tomatoes, so I'll try a few varieties in pots, then try my hand at some peppers and maybe some radishes and carrots.

Posted by: model_1066 at May 10, 2014 10:37 AM (yaeMF)

54 Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 02:33 PM (zDsvJ)

Thanks so much Y-not! I'll check it out.

All the best!

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 10, 2014 10:37 AM (AC0lD)

55 52 okay so I have a gardening question I have a bald area in my yard, all of the grass died so I was thinking of just digging up that area, planting grass seed, and then covering it up with peat moss will that work? Posted by: chemjeff at May 10, 2014 02:36 PM (9GG/0) Depending on the size, try to get some creeping thyme going. It's tough enough to walk on, and looks better than grass in my opinion.

Posted by: model_1066 at May 10, 2014 10:38 AM (yaeMF)

56 @52 Not peat, too acidic. Rough it up, seed, put straw down, then water regularly. You might want to do a soil test of that dirt to find out why the grass died.

Posted by: Xavier at May 10, 2014 10:40 AM (PHzIf)

57 "...try to get some creeping thyme going." I do that all the time.

Posted by: Harry Reid, Pederast at May 10, 2014 10:40 AM (lq3Ak)

58 Where in your yard, chemjeff? Is it some place where you might like to establish a ground cover or just a patch of dead grass smack dab in the middle of your front lawn section. There seem to be all sorts of new seeding products that have stuff in them with the seeds that deter the birds and that also provide a mulch. Here's Scotts: http://www.scotts.com/smg/templates/ index.jsp?pageUrl=seedSubLanding& I think peat moss would just blow away, so I wouldn't recommend that in any event. But if you want to have some fun - and do less mowing - I'd turn it into a bed or put down creeping thyme or some sort of interesting ground cover.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:41 AM (zDsvJ)

59 OMG, model_1066 suggested the same thign!

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:41 AM (zDsvJ)

60 Creeping thyme smells great, too!

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:42 AM (zDsvJ)

61 Check this out, chemjeff: http://www.edenbrothers.com/store/ creeping_thyme_seeds.html? gclid=CK7cq7GBor4CFYdrfgodRlQAKg

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:43 AM (zDsvJ)

62 56 @52 Not peat, too acidic. Rough it up, seed, put straw down, then water regularly. You might want to do a soil test of that dirt to find out why the grass died.

Posted by: Xavier at May 10, 2014 02:40 PM (PHzIf)


For all of the dug up areas in my parents' lawn, some of the grass seed is growing.


I'm thinking of seeing what grew in another week, remove the straw, rake the ground, put down more seed, some fertilizer, and water it for a couple of weeks.


Will this work and can I just keep doing this throughout the summer? Their lawn looks like hell.


Thanks so much!

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 10, 2014 10:44 AM (AC0lD)

63 okay so I have a gardening question I have a bald area in my yard, all of the grass died so I was thinking of just digging up that area, planting grass seed, and then covering it up with peat moss will that work? Posted by: chemjeff at May 10, 2014 02:36 PM (9GG/0) Chemjeff, If you want to use peat moss, you have to work it into the soil, then try the grass seed. Peat moss on top will only get hard & nothing will grow through it.

Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 10:44 AM (gjOCp)

64 My lovely husband didn't include my best shot in the above (which I took with my iPhone): a bee butt close-up on out mutant azalea.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at May 10, 2014 10:44 AM (N/cFh)

65 57 "...try to get some creeping thyme going." I do that all the time. Posted by: Harry Reid, Pederast at May 10, 2014 02:40 PM (lq3Ak) Next time Harry Reid emerges from his crypt to denounce the Koch brothers, he'll be quite upset with you!

Posted by: model_1066 at May 10, 2014 10:45 AM (yaeMF)

66 37 19 Y-not Your azaleas are gorgeous. -- They're WeirdDave's. He's in MD. I don't see a lot of azaleas here in Utah. I suppose they grow here, but we tend to have a lot of lilacs where you might see azaleas. Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 02:09 PM (zDsvJ) --- Lilacs are my absolute favourite. Last year for Mother's Day, Little (and Dave) bought me a Miss Kim lilac. It's about to blossom.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at May 10, 2014 10:47 AM (N/cFh)

67 My lawn problems are due to a large elm tree with roots close enough to the topsoil to sprout shoots, and an energetic bully-dog that does not replace her divots when she charges around the yard.

Posted by: model_1066 at May 10, 2014 10:49 AM (yaeMF)

68 OK O/T Why does Rand Paul think focus on Voting I.D. is offensive to blacks?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition, the guy that will push that button at May 10, 2014 10:50 AM (R8hU8)

69 Lilacs are my absolute favourite. Last year for Mother's Day, Little (and Dave) bought me a Miss Kim lilac. It's about to blossom. --- I love them, too. And they grow very vigorously here - like weeds. Deer don't like them.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:51 AM (zDsvJ)

70 On companion planting: Nasturtiums may be fine companions for tomatoes, but it's not because they attract pollinators. Tomatoes are typically self-pollinated. They do not decline with self-pollination like some self-pollinated plants do. If the air is too still, jiggle the blossoms. Some people use the back of an electric toothbrush against the flower stems. That's one way to gather pollen for hybridization. Honeybees can't fit inside a tomato blossom's anther cone. There are some smaller native pollinators in their home range. Tomatoes need more nutrients than you want for maximum bloom on nasturtiums. Nasturtiums are said to repel pests from cucumber seedlings. Nasturtiums may also repel other pests and attract beneficials which need pollen. You can make fake capers with the immature seeds, but the leaves and blossoms are easier to use. I like French marigolds with tomatoes, myself. Dainty Marietta. Legumes can only fix nitrogen in the presence of specific microorganisms on their roots. You can buy inoculant for specific legumes or a range of legumes. Check to see if your crop is included if you buy an inoculant. Soybeans, for example, require a different microbial partner than garden beans. Some of the garden lore about companion plants may survive scientific study, and some may not.

Posted by: KT at May 10, 2014 10:51 AM (qahv/)

71 68 OK O/T Why does Rand Paul think focus on Voting I.D. is offensive to blacks? --- I think they're talking about that -- a little bit --- on the thread below.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:52 AM (zDsvJ)

72 P'raps more important than companion planting is the question of rotations. Plants inhabit a chemical environment, too, and some should not follow others. Others, optimally, should precede certain plants in the garden; for example, soybeans before potatoes. See Elliot Coleman's first book for more info. http://preview.tinyurl.com/56an7t

Posted by: Phacelia? Wut the heck izzat, E'gar? at May 10, 2014 10:53 AM (2M9Pa)

73 Variegated azaleas often show different amounts of color on different blooms. WeirdDave's pink branches on his variegated white azaleas could be the result of some environmental factor, or they could be sports. Y-not, the reasons you don't see many azaleas in Utah are 1. winter cold 2. dry air and 3. alkaline soil.

Posted by: KT at May 10, 2014 10:54 AM (qahv/)

74 I think bumblebees assist tomato pollination.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:54 AM (zDsvJ)

75 No Kidding! Thorns shred my arms. Surface deep scratches surely do bleed an awful lot. I don't spray. Posted by: panzernashorn at May 10, 2014 02:11 PM (gmrH5) And they tear your clothes, despite how heavy they are. I now have underwear marked with a permanent marker with a G on a few pairs so that I only wear them when IÂ’m going out in my garden. I noticed lots of underwear had little holes. I had a about 15 of the same brand and color, they were my favorite until they stopped making them. I put a G on the ones with the most holes. Pants are easy to tell which are garden only and so are T-Shirts. I have a yellow sweatshirt, donÂ’t ask me why because I donÂ’t like yellow so that is my sweatshirt for the garden. ItÂ’s warm here today but itÂ’s supposed to rain & IÂ’m not supposed to do anything strenuous today. I have 200+ roses and cannot believe they grow because most of them are under a tree that the city owns & all the roots are in my garden. It takes me an hour, at least, to dig through the roots.

Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 10:54 AM (gjOCp)

76 wow thanks for that Scotts site, that is very helpful

Posted by: chemjeff at May 10, 2014 10:55 AM (9GG/0)

77 I love them, too. And they grow very vigorously here - like weeds. Deer don't like them. Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 02:51 PM (zDsvJ) Deer don't like lilacs? They smell good enough for me to eat! There's a lilac (bush or shrub? what's the diff?) near my place that's damn near the size of a house...how big do they get?

Posted by: model_1066 at May 10, 2014 10:55 AM (yaeMF)

78 just leave it in the tablespoon and let the hot water wash it out.

This sounds like a job for one of them there Absinthe spoon thingies. And here Alton Brown thought it was a unitasker!

Posted by: Anachronda at May 10, 2014 10:56 AM (o78gS)

79 76 wow thanks for that Scotts site, that is very helpful

Posted by: chemjeff at May 10, 2014 02:55 PM (9GG/0)


Oh, I'll check that out too.


Thanks everybody.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 10, 2014 10:57 AM (AC0lD)

80 45 Grammie Can you advise me about how to thin them? I've done one round of very cautious thinning, but I'm kind of nervous about thinning them out too much until it's clear which ones will produce bulbs. Be ruthless. Thin them increasingly as they grow, a couple time a week, until there is adequate space between them for a nice beet to grow, about three to four inches between plants should do it. You can use the thinnings in fresh salads. Just toss them right in.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2014 10:58 AM (oMKp3)

81 Thanks grammie. Beets used to be a big crop around here, I think. I just did them on a whim. Fun to see which things do well.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 11:01 AM (zDsvJ)

82 I had to dig up and toss one of my big Orange Minsk tomato plants this week. It had cucumber mosaic virus. Can be spread plant to plant or by people, or through seed, but usually spread by aphids. Wide range of hosts. I need to do more weed control. Variegated Heavenly Bamboo plants (Nandina) are often variegated because they are infected with Cucumber Mosaic Virus. CMV is not as persistent in the environment as tobacco mosaic virus or tomato mosaic virus. This is a good thing. Getting ready to pick my first cherry tomatoes of the year. Haven't seen a gopher yet. One advantage of all the cats in the neighborhood coming to live in your yard.

Posted by: KT at May 10, 2014 11:02 AM (qahv/)

83 Getting ready to pick my first cherry tomatoes of the year. Haven't seen a gopher yet. One advantage of all the cats in the neighborhood coming to live in your yard. --- That reminds me. I found a huge strawberry, about half-ripe - and half-eaten - in my garden yesterday. Can't figure out what ate it. The only critters I've seen around here is the occasional squirrel, but even those are rare. Dogs never barked at anything.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 11:05 AM (zDsvJ)

84 83 Birds or Mice

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 10, 2014 11:08 AM (gmrH5)

85 I should've taken a picture of it. It didn't really look like a bird, but maybe it was. We have a lot of jays around here.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 11:09 AM (zDsvJ)

86 That reminds me. I found a huge strawberry, about half-ripe - and half-eaten - in my garden yesterday. Can't figure out what ate it. The only critters I've seen around here is the occasional squirrel, but even those are rare.

Probably squirrels--they take *one bite* of everything, ripe or not.  (Birds usually wait until things are ripe before taking their single, wasteful bite.)

Posted by: JeanQ Flyover at May 10, 2014 11:11 AM (82lr7)

87

Got a few things planted this week.  My wife got me a VegTrug for Christmas, it's a raised bed on legs, works perfectly on our large deck where the sun is better for gardening than most of the yard.  http://www.vegtrug.com/

Sorting out all the old seed and planting the oldest.  Anyone know of a guide to viability of seed, I know it varies quite a bit.  So far have onions, cucumbers, carrots, radishes, beans and butternut squash in.  Tomatoes will go in later today.  I'm enjoying the extra space to garden in, probably one of the best presents I've ever gotten!

Posted by: The Farmer at May 10, 2014 11:11 AM (LgCwh)

88 remember that shaded part of my house that I was telling you about?
well that might be a good place to put a mini-garden, I suppose.
would that be a good idea? if so, what would grow in that area?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 10, 2014 11:11 AM (9GG/0)

89 Most veggies require full sun, chemjeff, at least 6 hours per day. so I don't think a shady spot would work out for you.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2014 11:14 AM (oMKp3)

90 Would anything grow there?  Herbs maybe?
Right now that area is just a headache

Posted by: Chef Moochelle at May 10, 2014 11:15 AM (9GG/0)

91 oops sock/off

Posted by: chemjeff at May 10, 2014 11:15 AM (9GG/0)

92 Herbs like sunny spots too. How about a perennial ground cover? Pachysandra might work. It takes a couple years to really take off, but when it does you will never have to do anything to it ever again.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2014 11:17 AM (oMKp3)

93 just put in our drip system, etc today. busy mothers day brunch tomorrow

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2014 11:19 AM (IXrOn)

94 pachysandra, that sounds like a good plan
really all that is there now is a bunch of mud, some walking stones, and the AC unit

Posted by: chemjeff at May 10, 2014 11:20 AM (9GG/0)

95 Chemjeff, plant it now. You wont see too much happening this year, but next year it will fill in. The following year it will be nice and thick and lush, and maintenance free pretty much forever.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2014 11:23 AM (oMKp3)

96 I have put it on my list to plant after I get back from my trip
I have a lot of yard stuff to do

Posted by: chemjeff at May 10, 2014 11:24 AM (9GG/0)

97 I've tried potato(e) towers this year.  
Planted 3 weeks ago.... guess I'll have to wait and see.

http://tinyurl.com/jwq6vqm


Anyone ever try these ?

Posted by: McCool at May 10, 2014 11:30 AM (vxCAi)

98 Chemjeff, Another really low maintenance plant that has been doing well in a shady part of our garden - and that is naturalizing (iow, spreading) - is anemone. http://www.garden.org/plantguide/?q=show&id=3349 I also like wild geraniums, which we've used in problem areas where we want them to spread, both here and in Indiana.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 11:32 AM (zDsvJ)

99 No, McCool. I sure love those ornamental potato vines, though. But I gather they are not perennials here, so I haven't planted them.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 11:34 AM (zDsvJ)

100 Is the Potato Tower to avoid actually digging the taters?

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 10, 2014 11:35 AM (LJ7Ze)

101 Looks like partly that, Boss. And probably also a space-saver. Looks interesting based on the linked post.

Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 11:38 AM (zDsvJ)

102 Boss - yes

for potatoes, if you plant in ground, you have to keep covering
with more dirt as they grow as light hitting a potato turns it green.
And you have to dig up at end of season

With the tower, the spuds multiply inside the tower and end of the season, you open it up, spill out the contents and harvest.

They say one pound of seed spuds will yield 5 - 10 pounds at the end.

Time will tell

Posted by: McCool at May 10, 2014 11:41 AM (vxCAi)

103 hey Dave-- my only wish is that loud-mouthed Ray Rice was still playing so I could watch the Brownies West put cleat marks all over his uniform-- GO BROWNS!!

Posted by: tomc at May 10, 2014 11:42 AM (avEuh)

104 Posted by: panzernashorn at May 10, 2014 02:23 PM (gmrH5) Where do you live? That you could have already removed spent blooms? I have a few more bareroot roses to plant. I think I might try to go outside but be careful. I looked out my back porch & that is best indicator if itÂ’s going to rain. I think rain is done for the day.

Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 11:42 AM (gjOCp)

105 Thanks for the link, McCool--I really want to try potato towers!

Also, if I got a big roll of fence/remesh/whathaveyou, could also make some very sturdy, long-lasting tomato cages.
--------

Y-not-- Ornamental potato vines are awesome, even tho they're annuals.  Bonus: cuttings will root *very easily* in water. 

I made up a huge planter with purple-leaf vine, salmon-colored petunias, and variegated shamrocks. 

Posted by: JeanQ Flyover at May 10, 2014 11:51 AM (82lr7)

106 Does everyone with roses know to give them a tablespoon of Epsom Salts a month & to water in to dissolve them? DonÂ’t hope that rain will do the trick or it will dry them out a bit. Water in until they are dissolved and within a week maybe two you will have new basal shoots growing strong from the bottom of the plant. Most are red in color. Old way was to break off, past ten years or so theyÂ’ve said to let them grow. I have a few that a duplicates and have tried it both ways and find they grow much better when you break them off at 8 to 10 inches tall. They harden off & youÂ’ll have strong new canes. Most soils are magnesium deficient. I used to order most of my products from a local mail order business. In the early 2000s she came up with her own fertilizers. They were great. One was liquid magnesium sulfate. Unfortunately she passed away three years ago & had no partner in the business. Website was up for a month or more before someone finally posted that she passed away. She had liquid fertilizers instead of water soluble fertilizers. They were so much better. I found some 10-10-10 Liquinox Fertilizer at HD online with free shipping a few years ago. They were only $10 per gallon. Last year they only had a different mix & it was too acidic & I had to add lime.

Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 11:52 AM (gjOCp)

107 83: Could be slugs or snails, too. 87: Onion seeds don't last long. Lettuce, a couple of years for decent germination. Corn does not maintain its viability as long as most grains. Melon seeds and tomato seeds can remain viable for a decade or more, but may be slower to sprout when old. A lot of other crops fall in between. Keep all of them, except beans, with a desiccant in a cool place, even the fridge or freezer. Desiccants dry out bean seeds too much. You can get rechargeable desiccant packets from Victory Seeds.

Posted by: KT at May 10, 2014 12:01 PM (qahv/)

108 Oh, and LOL at 'avocado' appliances!

Washer and dryer are 'harvest gold' -- nearly as old as I am (and probably in better condition.)

Posted by: JeanQ Flyover at May 10, 2014 12:01 PM (82lr7)

109 Avocado green....geez, I hate that color. My house has a bathtub that color that I really want to replace. Tub is exactly wide enough for the tub so I would either have to cut a hole in the wall and slide it into another room or try to put a new topcoat on it. I've read the topcoat system doesn't work very well and I don't ever seeing me removing cabinets from the kitchen ( or the furnace from the other room) so I can cut a hole and remove it. Thinking about just moving and letting the new owners deal with it.

Posted by: Passerby at May 10, 2014 12:05 PM (sOlwy)

110 Hi Chemjeff. IÂ’m afraid to write this but my shoulder feels better today. It didnÂ’t feel at all better after first injection. Yesterday doctor asked me what I was going to do this weekend & I replied I was going to plant roses & he said that was good. I have his blessing.

Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 12:06 PM (gjOCp)

111 Your beautiful bi-colored azalea is an Azalea indica cultivar, more commonly known as 'satsuki azaleas' -- very popular in Japan because of the unusual color patterns on the blooms and the propensity of the plant to have different colors of blossoms on different branches. Lots of varieties exist, but in the States, you typically only see the pink-and-white one represented by your stunning example.

Posted by: techno at May 10, 2014 12:07 PM (5HzKX)

112 ChemJeff: You could try some leafy greens in the shade. Lettuce or spinach. Maybe chard. Dandelions grow in shade if you're into bitter stuff. They will be less bitter there, and there are culinary varieties (Italians like bitter foods). Blanch to reduce bitterness. Do weeds grow there? That's a good indication you might get something to grow. You could try mint, in containers so it doesn't take over. Strawberries will take part shade. Raintree (online catalog) has a list of somewhat shade tolerant fruiting plants. I can grow clove currants on the north side of my house, but I'm in a hot climate and they get early morning and late afternoon sun in the summer.

Posted by: KT at May 10, 2014 12:10 PM (qahv/)

113 I have such memories about my mom's never ending quest to grow an avocado tree. She sadly never got past the 2 toothpicks suspension in a jar stage. I'd love one but I know no one to ever successfully raise one here (north Texas, just southwest of Fort Worth) so I never thought to try it myself. I added 3 rows of tobacco to my garden a few days ago. I'm very hopeful. Also put in 9 more various pepper plants (this is Texas, I are a Texan), and a big batch of kale by the studio. A word about poop. Specifically poop tea. I have 20 chickens and 2 nasty ungrateful meat bags... I mean miniature horses, so I have lots of poop. We're using it for fertilizer by fermenting it in a closed bucket with water. It's disgusting, and I have to be sure to cut it with lots of water, but so far everything is responding very well. I'll give a tentative nod to Pinterest for that one. The rest of the poop goes into the huge compost pile...ah, the great circle of poop...

Posted by: Ddgreen67 at May 10, 2014 12:51 PM (b3tZR)

114 I was going to link to pictures of my very nice species tulips this spring. They are over now, but they were uncommonly wonderful. But I took pictures with my phone and the files are upside down or sideways on my computer. Bleh! I'll have to spend some time fixing them. My lilac is pathetic. We had a freeze after the buds were out which killed most of them. Other lilacs in the neighborhood do fabulously even on years that mine freeze off. What's up with that? My dwarf sweet cherries had nice bunches of flowers and then it snowed on them. I didn't expect cherries because the trees are only a few years old and one of them might not have had enough flowers to cross-pollinate the other. I've bought freaking expensive tomato plants from Costco... huge things with five stems in a pot. One has a cultivar name instead of just a variety name so I suspect they might actually be *grafted* which seems to be the new thing in tomatoes. I haven't planted them out yet because it froze last weekend. I got a text from my son, "It's hailing so I took your tomatoes inside." Good boy!

Posted by: Synova at May 10, 2014 12:55 PM (7/PU+)

115 We had hail last week, too, Synova. I havent planted toms or peppers yet. Thanks to everyone for your contributions!

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at May 10, 2014 01:06 PM (zDsvJ)

116 Tomatoes and peppers are big and have blooms/tiny fruit already, but can't bring myself to put them *out there* just yet!  Had some hail & gusty wind yesterday; still getting down to the 40s overnight for another week. 

At least they can be 'rescued' easily enough while still potted, not so much once they're in the ground.  (OTOH, tinkertoy greenhouse is crowded)

Looking at planting out next weekend if weather permits!

Posted by: JeanQ Flyover at May 10, 2014 01:45 PM (82lr7)

117 Bare-root stuff starting to get leafbuds. Still waiting for last bag of plants though.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 10, 2014 02:36 PM (GDulk)

118 my only wish is that loud-mouthed Ray Rice was still playing so I could watch the Brownies West put cleat marks all over his uniform- You don't know much about football, do you? The offensive units don't face each other. Sheesh, no wonder the Browns have only won once in the last 12 meetings with the Ravens, they don't know what unit to put on the field!

Posted by: Weirddave at May 10, 2014 02:52 PM (N/cFh)

119 111thanks for the info!

Posted by: Weirddave at May 10, 2014 03:01 PM (N/cFh)

120 I have been scraping weeds ALL day, planted 3 Japanese cucumber plants and replanted more Silver Queen because the squirrels have been digging it up and eating the kernel.

I bought a 50lb bag of feed corn to offer as Jizya and if that fails its on, as in a Bone Collector .177 @1,250 fps on.

http://tinyurl.com/ly79cks

I'm tired of replanting, so its Jizya or squirrel stew.

Tomorrow is a big planting day, lots of sprouts are going in,peppers, tomato, eggplant, cucumber and the store bought plants that are almost root bound.

As usual, I have more tomato plants than space so I may experiment with spacing and the fencing to make them grow vertical instead of bush.

Still haven't settled on how to irrigate them but I'm leaning towards a variation of the Israeli method using PVC perforated at each plant with a timer and pressure regulator to allow for automatic watering.

Posted by: Gmac - Pondering ... something at May 10, 2014 03:45 PM (baiNQ)

121 Gmac--we have squirrel problems, too. This worked: For corn, I have sprouted the kernels on wet paper towels (in closed gladware, top of fridge) then planted them out when about an inch long. Make a hole in the dirt & drop them in; *gently* push the damp soil around them. Cover with upside-down pots, staked down with coathanger wire until green shoots are visible, about a week, some took a bit longer. Then remove the pots so they'll get sunlight, but cover with chicken-wire 'tent' --staked down at the edges-- for another week or so, until the roots are well developed and the kernel isn't tempting anymore. Good luck!

Posted by: JeanQ Flyover at May 10, 2014 04:14 PM (82lr7)

122 I guess you could just use the chickenwire tents, if they're tall enough to keep birds from pecking through...

Posted by: JeanQ Flyover at May 10, 2014 04:15 PM (82lr7)

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