May 10, 2014
— Open Blogger Owing to the vagaries of a thing we call Life in a place we call Meat Space, today's gardening thread has two topics: "Ain't Got Time" and "Companion Plants." See if you can tell which is which. (I'm not sure I can!)
This thread brought to you by the avocado:

Take it away, WeirdDave:
Folks, my part of this thread is going to be brief. IÂ’m annoyed that Terrance West got drafted by the Browns instead of the Ravens,* so now the best NFL prospect ever from my alma mater is playing for a division rival, plus I have a huge professional issue that has come up and IÂ’ve got to figure out what to do, so IÂ’m taking blogger shortcut #2 to fake content: Lots of pictures, so the thread looks a lot longer than it is. (blogger shortcut #1 is loads of links**).
LetÂ’s start with azaleas. Right now, they are in bloom, and my house is surrounded with them. ThereÂ’s a whole bank of them in my backyard.

We also have them out front, and one bush in particular is interesting. ItÂ’s white, but it has one branch thatÂ’s bright pink. ItÂ’s not a graft, itÂ’s not a shoot from a different bush pushing through. This white azalea has 2 pink branches.

The interesting thing is that the white blooms are variegated, which IÂ’ve never seen in an azalea.

Last year, we ran across azalea bushes for sale for $2 each at the Lowes, so we bought a bunch (26!) and put them in on the front hill of my house. Hopefully in a few years weÂ’ll have a whole bank of wall to wall color when they bloom in the spring.

Finally, I had a few people last week express interest in the faux pho soup I make, so I thought IÂ’d give the recipe. I start with Bulgogi meat. This is thin sliced beef that you can buy pre sliced at most Asian markets. Bulgogi is a Korean dish, quite good. I buy the meat in bulk at the local market and then split it up into baggies, 4-5 slices in a bag. I freeze it and have thin sliced beef on demand for soup, cheesesteaks or anything else that needs some beef, just thaw and use.

Thaw the meat about halfway, then cut it in half. Put it in a bowl. Put 3 cups of water on to boil and dig a packet of beef ramen soup out of the cupboard (I know the soup packet says 2 cups, but trust me). When the water is boiling, put the noodles in to cook. Take a couple of onion slices, quarter them, and dump them in the bowl with the meat. Add the flavor packet from the soup, sriracha sauce, soy sauce and a tablespoon of better than bullion, just leave it in the tablespoon and let the hot water wash it out.
After three minutes, when the noodles are done, pour them into the bowl. The hot water will cook the beef. Stir everything up, garnish with fresh basil from your garden (see? This does have something to do with gardening!) and enjoy.

Well, that was weak. Y-not, got something better?
*A Raven's fan upset about the draft? Cry me a river. -- Y-not (Redskins fan)
**Hey! I resemble that remark! -- Y-not
And now from your co-hostess, Y-not:
A few weeks ago I was thinking about what plants to try this year and I discovered that last year - completely by accident - I had stumbled into a beneficial "companion" plant for my tomatoes. Nasturtiums are considered by some to be good to grow near tomatoes because their bright flowers attract pollinators, which tomatoes need. I only grew them because they are pretty and edible!
It occurred to me that other than knowing that legumes can revitalize soils through their ability to "fix" nitrogen and having been told long ago that marigolds are great for repelling garden pests, I don't really know very much about companion planting, so it might be an interesting topic.
To get us started, here's a brief primer on the subject courtesy of Vertical Food Blog:
Successful farmers and growers are well aware of their nutrient demands their crops place upon their soil or aquaponic/hydroponic systems. They know that some plants in particular, like legumes, fix nitrogen and add to soil nutrition while others demand a great deal from the soil or nutrient solution without giving much back throughout their life cycles. Some plants even produce various chemicals that can affect the growth of other plants around them.
Each of these factors play a large role in determining how well plants grow together.
While some plants can inhibit the growth of others, helping to produce maximum yields, surpress pests and facilitate better pollination, pairing the wrong types of plants together can lead to poor or stunted growth and a frustrated farmer/grower.
“Companion Planting” involves planting different plants near each other for overall greater production.
Although this is an old article (circa 1981) from Mother Earth News, it provides a helpful list of plants that should - or should NOT - be planted near one another. For example, here's their entry for kohlrabi:
Plant near: cabbage/cauliflower companions (except tomatoes)
Keep away from: fennel, pole beans, tomatoes
Comments: kohlrabi stunts tomatoes
I like that it's such an extensive list and that it has some explanations of the "whys" of their recommendations, but I wish there was a little more reasoning provided. For example, they say to not plant basil near rue, but they don't say why.
This more recent article provides a Top Ten list of companion plants.
We have a lot of tomato growers in our group, so courtesy of Tree Hugger (I denounce myself!), here's a recommended list of companion plants for your tomatoes: borage, chives, marigolds, nasturtiums, basil, calendula, carrots, peppers, sage, onions, garlic, and leaf lettuce. In this particular case, the gardener is doing container gardening, by the way.
And, for our rose gardeners, the folks at HeirloomRoses provide this list of companion plants for roses.
Although there are some differences of opinion (for example, did you know that the "marigolds are good companion plants" chestnut is controversial?), one commonality is that companion plants should be from a different plant family. The idea being that if you plant highly related plants together, they're likely to compete for the same resources AND attract the same pests.
Courtesy of Penn State University, here's a brief article about the principles of plant rotation for the home garden, as well as a table summarizing the family relationships between common garden plants:
In general, it is not recommended that an area be planted with plants of the same family in succession to avoid the buildup of shared pests. Some plants should not follow members of other families either because of susceptibility to common pests. For example, strawberries (and other members of the Rosaceae) should not be planted after members of the Solanaceae (and vice versa) because they are all susceptible to the disease verticillium wilt. Keep in mind that various weeds also belong to these same families and can also host the same pests. Knowing plant families can also be useful in determining appropriate pesticides to use, when warranted. This can apply to both targeted effects and non-targeted effects such as being toxic to desirable garden plants.Plants can be rotated to manage soil fertility. This is done by including plants in the rotation to improve the fertility status of the garden soil and rotating among plants that are heavy users of certain nutrients. For example, members of the Fabaceae (legume family) can be grown to add nitrogen to the soil and many members of the Liliaceae are heavy users of potassium.
What have been your experiences with plants that do well together OR that do poorly together?
To wrap things up, how about some Mozart?
The Mister and I are going to go see this opera tonight.
What's happening in your garden?
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Posted by: eman at May 10, 2014 09:09 AM (EWsrI)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 09:10 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Mama AJ at May 10, 2014 09:10 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2014 09:15 AM (oMKp3)
Posted by: tcn at May 10, 2014 09:21 AM (g+qqc)
Posted by: OK, thanks, bye at May 10, 2014 09:22 AM (uopHF)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2014 09:22 AM (oMKp3)
Posted by: Mama AJ at May 10, 2014 09:22 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: tcn at May 10, 2014 09:23 AM (g+qqc)
http://bit.ly/1iBD2Ff
Posted by: Hank Curmudgeon at May 10, 2014 09:24 AM (sUkbv)
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at May 10, 2014 09:27 AM (zT0DN)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 09:30 AM (zDsvJ)
That babe has never cleaned a stove in her life. And I don't know if the Morons know it or not but Sear appliances are now crap. Even their refers which used to be the best are crap.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 09:32 AM (T2V/1)
They have done bloomed and gone down here.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 10, 2014 09:33 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: Ronster at May 10, 2014 09:34 AM (GhNj1)
Posted by: panzernashorn at May 10, 2014 09:36 AM (gmrH5)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at May 10, 2014 09:37 AM (l3vZN)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at May 10, 2014 09:39 AM (Fp7JI)
http://bit.ly/1iC82tc
Posted by: Hank Curmudgeon at May 10, 2014 09:39 AM (sUkbv)
Posted by: no good deed at May 10, 2014 09:43 AM (ILBCY)
Posted by: PaleRider at May 10, 2014 09:45 AM (5CusZ)
Posted by: teej at May 10, 2014 09:45 AM (aqfuo)
Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at May 10, 2014 09:53 AM (hP/Mt)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 10, 2014 09:57 AM (HDwDg)
Posted by: panzernashorn at May 10, 2014 09:57 AM (gmrH5)
Course, these plants all have other benefits too, as shown in the links Y-not posted.
On calm mornings in mid summer, it's almost sensory overload to be near these plants. Everything's in bloom, the insects are buzzing and fluttering away doing their jobs, and the scent of basil hangs thick in the air. When friends visit they just stop there and stare.
When I started growing tomatoes this way I thought it was kind of silly, a novelty for the ladies to talk about, but it's really turned out well. Maybe this will be the year to make a webpage for them.
Posted by: Xavier at May 10, 2014 09:59 AM (PHzIf)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:00 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 10, 2014 10:00 AM (HDwDg)
Posted by: teej at May 10, 2014 10:02 AM (PUuQq)
Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 10:05 AM (gjOCp)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 10, 2014 10:08 AM (HDwDg)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at May 10, 2014 10:08 AM (Fp7JI)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:08 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:09 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 10, 2014 10:10 AM (HDwDg)
Posted by: panzernashorn at May 10, 2014 10:11 AM (gmrH5)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at May 10, 2014 10:12 AM (Fp7JI)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at May 10, 2014 10:14 AM (Fp7JI)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2014 10:15 AM (oMKp3)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:15 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: panzernashorn at May 10, 2014 10:23 AM (gmrH5)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:23 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: panzernashorn at May 10, 2014 10:26 AM (gmrH5)
No sprays would kill it, even some very strong stuff my uncle, who is a farmer tried.
I ended up going through the yard digging out most of the moss, packing it in garbage bags and getting rid of it in the trash for several weeks.
Does anyone here know what that may have been? And do I have to worry about it coming back for them this year? And without nuking it from orbit, is there another way to get rid of this thing?
Thanks so much.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 10, 2014 10:30 AM (AC0lD)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:33 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:35 AM (zDsvJ)
I have a bald area in my yard, all of the grass died
so I was thinking of just digging up that area, planting grass seed, and then covering it up with peat moss
will that work?
Posted by: chemjeff at May 10, 2014 10:36 AM (9GG/0)
Posted by: model_1066 at May 10, 2014 10:37 AM (yaeMF)
Thanks so much Y-not! I'll check it out.
All the best!
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 10, 2014 10:37 AM (AC0lD)
Posted by: model_1066 at May 10, 2014 10:38 AM (yaeMF)
Posted by: Xavier at May 10, 2014 10:40 AM (PHzIf)
Posted by: Harry Reid, Pederast at May 10, 2014 10:40 AM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:41 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:43 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Xavier at May 10, 2014 02:40 PM (PHzIf)
For all of the dug up areas in my parents' lawn, some of the grass seed is growing.
I'm thinking of seeing what grew in another week, remove the straw, rake the ground, put down more seed, some fertilizer, and water it for a couple of weeks.
Will this work and can I just keep doing this throughout the summer? Their lawn looks like hell.
Thanks so much!
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 10, 2014 10:44 AM (AC0lD)
Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 10:44 AM (gjOCp)
Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at May 10, 2014 10:44 AM (N/cFh)
Posted by: model_1066 at May 10, 2014 10:45 AM (yaeMF)
Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at May 10, 2014 10:47 AM (N/cFh)
Posted by: model_1066 at May 10, 2014 10:49 AM (yaeMF)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition, the guy that will push that button at May 10, 2014 10:50 AM (R8hU8)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:51 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: KT at May 10, 2014 10:51 AM (qahv/)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 10:52 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Phacelia? Wut the heck izzat, E'gar? at May 10, 2014 10:53 AM (2M9Pa)
Posted by: KT at May 10, 2014 10:54 AM (qahv/)
Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 10:54 AM (gjOCp)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 10, 2014 10:55 AM (9GG/0)
Posted by: model_1066 at May 10, 2014 10:55 AM (yaeMF)
This sounds like a job for one of them there Absinthe spoon thingies. And here Alton Brown thought it was a unitasker!
Posted by: Anachronda at May 10, 2014 10:56 AM (o78gS)
Posted by: chemjeff at May 10, 2014 02:55 PM (9GG/0)
Oh, I'll check that out too.
Thanks everybody.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 10, 2014 10:57 AM (AC0lD)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2014 10:58 AM (oMKp3)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 11:01 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: KT at May 10, 2014 11:02 AM (qahv/)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 11:05 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 11:09 AM (zDsvJ)
Probably squirrels--they take *one bite* of everything, ripe or not. (Birds usually wait until things are ripe before taking their single, wasteful bite.)
Posted by: JeanQ Flyover at May 10, 2014 11:11 AM (82lr7)
Got a few things planted this week. My wife got me a VegTrug for Christmas, it's a raised bed on legs, works perfectly on our large deck where the sun is better for gardening than most of the yard. http://www.vegtrug.com/
Sorting out all the old seed and planting the oldest. Anyone know of a guide to viability of seed, I know it varies quite a bit. So far have onions, cucumbers, carrots, radishes, beans and butternut squash in. Tomatoes will go in later today. I'm enjoying the extra space to garden in, probably one of the best presents I've ever gotten!
Posted by: The Farmer at May 10, 2014 11:11 AM (LgCwh)
well that might be a good place to put a mini-garden, I suppose.
would that be a good idea? if so, what would grow in that area?
Posted by: chemjeff at May 10, 2014 11:11 AM (9GG/0)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2014 11:14 AM (oMKp3)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2014 11:17 AM (oMKp3)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 10, 2014 11:19 AM (IXrOn)
really all that is there now is a bunch of mud, some walking stones, and the AC unit
Posted by: chemjeff at May 10, 2014 11:20 AM (9GG/0)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 10, 2014 11:23 AM (oMKp3)
Planted 3 weeks ago.... guess I'll have to wait and see.
http://tinyurl.com/jwq6vqm
Anyone ever try these ?
Posted by: McCool at May 10, 2014 11:30 AM (vxCAi)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 11:32 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 11:34 AM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Boss Moss at May 10, 2014 11:35 AM (LJ7Ze)
Posted by: Y-not at May 10, 2014 11:38 AM (zDsvJ)
for potatoes, if you plant in ground, you have to keep covering
with more dirt as they grow as light hitting a potato turns it green.
And you have to dig up at end of season
With the tower, the spuds multiply inside the tower and end of the season, you open it up, spill out the contents and harvest.
They say one pound of seed spuds will yield 5 - 10 pounds at the end.
Time will tell
Posted by: McCool at May 10, 2014 11:41 AM (vxCAi)
Posted by: tomc at May 10, 2014 11:42 AM (avEuh)
Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 11:42 AM (gjOCp)
Also, if I got a big roll of fence/remesh/whathaveyou, could also make some very sturdy, long-lasting tomato cages.
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Y-not-- Ornamental potato vines are awesome, even tho they're annuals. Bonus: cuttings will root *very easily* in water.
I made up a huge planter with purple-leaf vine, salmon-colored petunias, and variegated shamrocks.
Posted by: JeanQ Flyover at May 10, 2014 11:51 AM (82lr7)
Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 11:52 AM (gjOCp)
Posted by: KT at May 10, 2014 12:01 PM (qahv/)
Washer and dryer are 'harvest gold' -- nearly as old as I am (and probably in better condition.)
Posted by: JeanQ Flyover at May 10, 2014 12:01 PM (82lr7)
Posted by: Passerby at May 10, 2014 12:05 PM (sOlwy)
Posted by: Carol at May 10, 2014 12:06 PM (gjOCp)
Posted by: techno at May 10, 2014 12:07 PM (5HzKX)
Posted by: KT at May 10, 2014 12:10 PM (qahv/)
Posted by: Ddgreen67 at May 10, 2014 12:51 PM (b3tZR)
Posted by: Synova at May 10, 2014 12:55 PM (7/PU+)
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at May 10, 2014 01:06 PM (zDsvJ)
At least they can be 'rescued' easily enough while still potted, not so much once they're in the ground. (OTOH, tinkertoy greenhouse is crowded)
Looking at planting out next weekend if weather permits!
Posted by: JeanQ Flyover at May 10, 2014 01:45 PM (82lr7)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 10, 2014 02:36 PM (GDulk)
Posted by: Weirddave at May 10, 2014 02:52 PM (N/cFh)
I bought a 50lb bag of feed corn to offer as Jizya and if that fails its on, as in a Bone Collector .177 @1,250 fps on.
http://tinyurl.com/ly79cks
I'm tired of replanting, so its Jizya or squirrel stew.
Tomorrow is a big planting day, lots of sprouts are going in,peppers, tomato, eggplant, cucumber and the store bought plants that are almost root bound.
As usual, I have more tomato plants than space so I may experiment with spacing and the fencing to make them grow vertical instead of bush.
Still haven't settled on how to irrigate them but I'm leaning towards a variation of the Israeli method using PVC perforated at each plant with a timer and pressure regulator to allow for automatic watering.
Posted by: Gmac - Pondering ... something at May 10, 2014 03:45 PM (baiNQ)
Posted by: JeanQ Flyover at May 10, 2014 04:14 PM (82lr7)
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