April 26, 2014

Saturday Gardening Thread: ToMAYto, ToMAHto Edition [Y-not and WeirdDave]
— Open Blogger

Good morning, gardeners!

This thread brought to you by, Giada's tomatoes:

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You're welcome.

From your co-host, WeirdDave:

Y-not said todayÂ’s thread was going to be all about tomatoes. I love tomatoes, but I have recently come across a disturbing warning. All of you who are considering growing tomatoes should take a quick hour and a half to familiarize yourselves with the following:

So now you know the warning signs. Be vigilant, fellow gardeners.

With that out of the way, I thought IÂ’d give an update on my garden. I told yÂ’all a couple of weeks ago that I had built 3 raised beds for gardening, and that the only problem was getting them filled up with dirt. Last weekend I started moving the dirt VIA wheelbarrow from the front, up the hill, to the back where the garden beds are. I filled one 4X8 bed myself, but I tweaked my back going up the hill, making further labor problematic. Struck by inspiration, I placed an ad on Craigslist for labor. I was actually inundated with replies. Two of those who replied could come right over, so with 90 minutes I had two guys hauling dirt. It took them just under an hour to fill the other two beds. I paid them $30 each. Worth. Every. Penny.

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This is what the beds looked like before they were filled with dirt. Did I take pictures of them during the filling process and after, or pictures of the plants going in? Of course not, in what forum am I ever going to find myself where people could possibly be interested in THAT?

With that out of the way, Gingy and I prepared the beds. We put the railing and chicken wire back around the garden, then covered each bed with black anti weed fabric. I fabricated stakes to hold it down by using bolt cutters to cut up an old tomato cage into manageable lengths of wire, then bent these into the shape of a giant staple. I pushed these “staples” through the edges of the fabric and down into the dirt, holding it securely to the ground. Then I drank a beer.

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Staples!

No, wait, thatÂ’s not right.

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Staples!

Damn! Not that either. One more try:

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Staples! I made about 3 dozen of these to hold down the fabric.

Braving the wilds of Cockeysville, Gingy and I set out for Valley View Farms, Baltimore’s best known garden shop. For those of you that aren’t from around here, Cockeysville is a neighborhood that one needs to be alert to enter. Windows up, doors locked and nervously checking the mirrors for threats we proceeded. Around us the usual chaos of a middle to upper middle class suburb reigned. The shrieks and wails of the poor children denied a third helping of dinner grated on our ears. Dangerous looking accountants cruised by in their BMWs and Mercedes, eyes concealed behind designer sunglasses, hiding the “this is our turf” eye fuck that you just know doesn’t lurk below. The sharp CRACK of Gunshot-like backfires echoed through the air. Older children, without any kind of supervision from their nannies, roamed the cul-de-sacs armed with lethal aluminum bats. Without warning they would viciously swing these fearsome weapons, whaling the tar out of innocent baseballs. Dangerous turf, in other words.

Reaching Valley View Farms we purchased our plants and scurried back to our safe neighborhood. HereÂ’s how I planted them. Last year, we had covered out garden with the anti weed fabric, but I cut holes in it for the plants. Bad move. Weeds sprouted all year long just around the vegetable plants I was trying to nurture, in the dirt each cut exposed, making the problem worse. With no fabric they would have at least spread out, as it was they were concentrated around the valuable plants. This year, I did slits. Now, I personally am quite fond of doing slits, but thatÂ’s a subject for a less family friendly blog. More or less following the tenets of square foot gardening, I sketched out 1Â’x1Â’ grids and then cut slits for the plants. Digging a hole with my fingers, I slipped the plants through the slits, and then pushed the displaced dirt around the roots through the fabric. When I was done I had plants firmly planted in the dirt, but the fabric closed around the base of the plant, leaving the leaves exposed to sun and no exposed dirt to attract weeds. I think this will work well. Using this method, we planted 4 types of lettuce, kohlrabi, brussel sprouts, chives and basil. I used the same slit method to plant onion sets, green beans and peas, pushing the seeds into the earth. Hopefully as they sprout the plants will push through the slits, giving them room to grow. The only thing that this didnÂ’t work with was spinach, because it came in large common flat, not individual plants to be pushed into the soil. I planted it in a window box, which was a lot of work for what will, at best, yield 1 meal worth of spinach, but a lot of gardening is the principle of the thing, and this isnÂ’t any different.

Finally, I thinned my tomato plants, and this is how dorky I am. I had planted 36 cells of tomato plants, far too many for personal use. Most cells sprouted several plants, so now it was time for the winnowing. I pulled out the extra plants, leaving just one in each cell. Looking at all of the plants I had uprooted, I felt bad for them so I filled up the other half of the starter greenhouseÂ’s cells with dirt and replanted most of the culls. I didnÂ’t get them all, but it looks like 90% of them will make it. That means IÂ’ll have damn near 70 Campari type tomato plants to plant or get give away. I seriously must be nuts, but those poor culls just looked so sad lying there after the winnowing, destined for the compost heap. Madness.

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The plants on the left are the replanted culls.


And now, from your co-hostess, Y-not:

I had great plans for today's thread. Honest, I really did! My intentions were honorable.

Then THIS happened:

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A "Mango," not a tomato.

Had this week's thread been about mangoes, I'd be golden. He's our new kitty. A flamepoint Siamese (sometimes also called a Colorpoint). "Mango" is the name given to him by the shelter where we picked him up yesterday. Not sure if it will stick.

In any event, things have been a little hectic around here. I found myself wanting a new kitty sooner than I usually do after the loss of a pet -- perhaps because I'd spent the past year or so trying to nurse my 15 year old kitty back to health. So I was in nurturing mode.

I had already collected a bunch of links pertaining to tomatoes, so I'll share those with you and hope that, combined with WeirdDave's actual content content, will suit your needs this week...

First off, a history lesson courtesy of Tomatoes Are Evil:

Originally cultivated by the famously blood thirsty Aztecs and Incas as early as 700 A.D., the tomato is native to the Americas. The Spanish explorer Cortez conquered the Aztec city of Tenochtitlan, later to be renamed Mexico City, in 1521. It is presumed that the tomato found its' way across the Atlantic shortly after. When explorers brought back seed to Europe from Mexico.

The name "tomato" derives from "tomatl," its name in Nahuatl, the language of the Aztec people. The English form "tomate" first appeared in the 17th century, and was later modified to "tomato," probably under the influence of the more familiar "potato." Most of these early fruits were yellow, and became known as "manzanas" (apples) and "pomi d'oro" (apple of gold). They were considered poisonous but appreciated for their beauty.

Tomatoes are members of the plant family Solanaceae, aka "the deadly nightshade family." Other members of the family include eggplant, peppers, and potatoes. Follow this link for a picture that shows their branch of the evolutionary tree of "food plants," courtesy of Colorado State University. The Solanaceae branch in near the top right of the diagram.

Here's a bit more about the family from a plant biologist at the University of Hawaii.

We hear a lot about heirloom tomatoes, but I certainly didn't know much about them except that they are very expensive and often quite ugly. Well, if you'd like to learn more about them, check out this entry at "TomatoFest:"

The term "Heirloom" applied to plants was apparently first used by Kent Whealy of Seed Savers Exchange, who first used "heirloom" in relation to plants in a speech he gave in Tucson in 1981. He had asked permission to use the term "heirloom" from John Withee, who had used the term on the cover of his bean catalog. John said sure, that he had taken it from Prof. William Hepler at the University of New Hampshire, who first used the term "heirloom" to describe some beans that friends had given him back in the 1940s.

Courtesy of Better Homes and Gardens, follow the link for a list of some of the top heirloom tomato varieties. Have any of you tried any of these? The only heirloom I've grown was called "Cherokee." It did not do well for me. About half the fruits had "bad bottoms" (which I gather is from watering issues) and they ripened far too late.

Courtesy of commenter KT on last weekend's garden thread, here's a link that may be of interest to amateur tomato breeders: http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=45.

Not everyone is sold on heirloom tomatoes (self included). Here's an article from Scientific American that makes the case against heirloom tomatoes:

Famous for their taste, color and, well, homeliness, heirloom tomatoes tug at the heartstrings of gardeners and advocates of locally grown foods. The tomato aficionado might conclude that, given the immense varieties—which go by such fanciful names as Aunt Gertie's Gold and the Green Zebra—heirlooms must have a more diverse and superior set of genes than their grocery store cousins, those run-of-the-mill hybrid varieties such as beefsteak, cherry and plum.

No matter how you slice it, however, their seeming diversity is only skin-deep: heirlooms are actually feeble and inbred—the defective product of breeding experiments that began during the Enlightenment and exploded thanks to enthusiastic backyard gardeners from Victorian England to Depression-era West Virginia. Heirlooms are the tomato equivalent of the pug—that "purebred" dog with the convoluted nose that snorts and hacks when it tries to catch a breath.

Last year, I grew a grafted tomato called Indigo Rose in the same beds as my Cherokees. They did great. Produced very early and very long, with none of those funny bottoms that the Cherokees developed. I'm definitely going to try them again this year.

I started researching grafted tomatoes and have some material about tomatillos, but I think I'll save that for another week and get back to my kitteh.

I discovered this week's Blog of the Week while reading up on grafted tomatoes (she tried the Indigo Rose tomatoes as well, but didn't like their flavor): EveryDayGardener.com.


To close things up, how about a silly video? Here's a Gangnam style parody by a couple of farmers:


What's happening in your garden this week?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:43 AM | Comments (140)
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1 "Dig in," morons!

Posted by: Y-not at April 26, 2014 07:47 AM (zDsvJ)

2 I'd murder that.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 26, 2014 07:47 AM (hJauc)

3 Sorry, naturalfake! I like to make a comment to make sure the thread is "working."

Posted by: Y-not at April 26, 2014 07:50 AM (zDsvJ)

4 That pic of Giada has a Dexter vibe to it.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 26, 2014 07:50 AM (mx5oN)

5 The tomato was also called the 'Wolf's Peach' because of its resemblance to what Galen described as a way to kill wolves.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 26, 2014 07:50 AM (CWIQ2)

6 Cooking with Cleavage

Posted by: Roy at April 26, 2014 07:52 AM (tiOTz)

7 Has anyone noticed that weirddave is weird?

Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 07:53 AM (oMKp3)

8
So tilling the garden today... just going with corn this year...because its easy and...time.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 26, 2014 07:53 AM (hJauc)

9 Cockeysville, I had to freaking laugh. I was an old B-More guy back in the day. Charm city. Heh!

Posted by: The Walking Dude at April 26, 2014 07:54 AM (6z+V1)

10 Nice kitten, Y-not. Is she a talker?

Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 07:54 AM (oMKp3)

11 Oh sorry! He, not she!

Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 07:54 AM (oMKp3)

12 Has anyone noticed that weirddave is weird?

Have you noticed Anna Puma knows a lot of strange facts?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 26, 2014 07:55 AM (hJauc)

13 Ooooo, a spinner.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 26, 2014 07:56 AM (AHzA7)

14 12 Nice kitten, Y-not. Is she a talker? Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 11:54 AM (oMKp3) House pets talking to you is perfectly normal.

Posted by: David Berkowitz at April 26, 2014 07:56 AM (mx5oN)

15 He's pretty quiet thus far, grammie. He and the incumbent kitteh (an 8 y.o. lynx point) had a brief introduction this morning. She did most of the talking. He did some hissing. Nothing major, though. And he seems to backdown or hunker down, rather than respond to growls. So I expect in a few days they'll be ok to leave alone together. For now, just some supervised visits.

Posted by: Y-not at April 26, 2014 07:56 AM (zDsvJ)

16 14 Has anyone noticed that weirddave is weird? Have you noticed Anna Puma knows a lot of strange facts? Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 26, 2014 11:55 AM (hJauc) Ya, this is also true.

Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 07:56 AM (oMKp3)

17 9 Has anyone noticed that weirddave is weird? Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 11:53 AM (oMKp3) --- You have no idea.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 07:57 AM (N/cFh)

18 Always liked Jersey tomatoes.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 26, 2014 07:58 AM (V4CBV)

19 Just planted my tomatoes. I always pinch the suckers and also the bottom leaves off, and plant them extra deep. Seems to do well for me. I always plant a cherry variety so that I have something to eat while I wait for the big ones. And that just kicked my butt, so here I sit.

Posted by: Justamom at April 26, 2014 07:58 AM (Sptt8)

20 We adopted a colorpoint from the humane society about two years ago. I had to take her back though after a few months. We discovered She had untreatable skin cancer, and I was not allowed to euthanize her. I had to return her to them.

Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 07:59 AM (oMKp3)

21 *mutter-grumble*

Just because the Travel Channel mentioned that the tomato was once called a Wolf's Peach, it piqued my curiosity so looked it up.  Duh.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 26, 2014 07:59 AM (CWIQ2)

22 My God, that woman is beautiful.

Posted by: Max Power at April 26, 2014 08:00 AM (q177U)

23 Wow, what is that ad meant to covey? " 4 out of 5 mentally unstable women prefer Giada's tomatoes?" And 4 out of 5 men prefer Giada's melons?

Posted by: Boone at April 26, 2014 08:01 AM (aDkn+)

24 For all you baltimore guys, Does some asshole still Paint 'Hon" on the Baltimore sign on 295? I swear it wasn't me. How about that railroad bridge near the Mormon chapel near DC? Some asshole would paint "Free Dorothy" on that. They would strip it off and they would repaint it. I think it was College Kids having a good time. It never failed to crack me up.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at April 26, 2014 08:01 AM (6z+V1)

25 Thanks for the great tomato thread, and good luck with the massive harvest-to-come. I predict a canning thread this summer...

Posted by: Justamom at April 26, 2014 08:01 AM (Sptt8)

26 I don't remember her tomatoes being that big. Gotta love photoshop.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 26, 2014 08:02 AM (V4CBV)

27 Make sure to follow the link to the full Esquire article on Giada for more tomato pix.

Posted by: Y-not at April 26, 2014 08:02 AM (zDsvJ)

28 Posted by: The Walking Dude at April 26, 2014 12:01 PM (6z+V1) --- Yes, and yes.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 08:02 AM (N/cFh)

29 Too cold for maters here. Too cold for anything. I might have to resort to planting canned goods this summer.

Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 08:03 AM (oMKp3)

30 I'm not interested in gardening, but I have a sudden inexplicable hankering for tomatoes.

Posted by: rickl at April 26, 2014 08:03 AM (sdi6R)

31
We're just joshing on you Anna.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 26, 2014 08:03 AM (hJauc)

32 Prediction : Sacks of tomatoes appearing on Dave & Gingy's neighbors front steps.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 08:04 AM (aDwsi)

33 That time of the month?

Posted by: Evi L. Blogger lady at April 26, 2014 08:06 AM (UYjru)

34 Tomato sandwich: White bread, thick smears of Duke's mayonnaise (everything else is just a pretender), thick slices of tomato (1/4" -3/8"), a dash of salt and pepper. If the juice rolls down your arms as you are eating it, then you know you have it right.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 08:08 AM (aDwsi)

35 Start your plants under fluorescents with almost no room from bulb to leaf. 1"-2" max. That will keep them from running on you.

Posted by: garrett at April 26, 2014 08:09 AM (tNK0Y)

36 Waiting for temp. to rise, so I can bring tomato plants out of tinkertoy greenhouse for the day. Not much time for gardening, as this weekend is our annual Carbon Day (anti-EarfDay) celebratiion. There will be much: carbonated beverage consumption and charcoal grilling of red meat. No kidding, we've been doing this for several years! We plan to enrich the atmosphere with precious CO2, so that our plants can grow up strong & healthy!

Posted by: JeanQ Flyover at April 26, 2014 08:10 AM (82lr7)

37 35 Prediction : Sacks of tomatoes appearing on Dave & Gingy's neighbors front steps. Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 12:04 PM (aDwsi) --- NO. I'm a canner. What we don't eat raw, I will preserve.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 08:11 AM (N/cFh)

38 That will keep them from running on you. Posted by: garrett --------------------------- Yeah, my seedlings inevitably get leggy when started on a window sill.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 08:12 AM (aDwsi)

39 I haven't tilled yet. It rained. And then it rained. And then it rained some more. It snowed a foot in the Cascades. On the positive side, my Melons are sprouting in the window, and I saw a tanager in my pear tree.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 26, 2014 08:14 AM (vTrNt)

40 I've got four kinds of heirlooms in that awkward adolescent leggy seedling phase. The lazy punks are soaking up the sun on my windowsill. With the double seeding and 90% success rate I'll have about 60 plants. I'll keep a few, give the rest away, and I'm tempted to do some guerilla planting on a few unsuspecting neighbors. I won't, but it would be fun.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at April 26, 2014 08:15 AM (QBm1P)

41 Recently read Ruth Stout's (sister of mystery author Rex Stout) book "Gardening Without Work". Ordered 6 cubic yards of mulch yesterday to be delivered on Monday. Good thing I've got all that "free" child labor WeirdDave posted about a couple of weeks ago :p

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 26, 2014 08:17 AM (GDulk)

42 "I filled one 4X8 bed myself, but I tweaked my back going up the hill, making further labor problematic."

I muse from time to time these days about the design challenges presented by "aging in place". To wit, if you're living in a place you that like, and expect to continue to live there into your golden years, what is going to have to be changed and adapted?

This is infinitely easier if starting from a clean sheet. Widening doors, for instance. Decidedly nontrivial in existing construction.

Anyway, on gardening, what I now reflect upon is truly raised raised-bed gardens, for the years when working while on hands and knees or while squatting won't be physically possible, much less fun. Make the bed high enough, and appropriately dimensioned, to be comfortably worked from a sitting position.

Still figuring out exactly how to put that together. Many bar napkin sketches with indecipherable scribbled notes.

In the meantime... I've got work to do. On my hands and knees. Fortunately my back is rock solid at this age, so there isn't a rush yet to get the adaptational strategy rolling.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 26, 2014 08:18 AM (noWW6)

43 Mohawk I know it was joshing.  Hence that response.  Now if I was truly peeved mightily then I might have borrowed a Raptor strike package from AlextheChick. 

Still pondering how to use Wolf's Peach as a story idea.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 26, 2014 08:19 AM (CWIQ2)

44 @31 Gingy, Thanks for confirming what I expected. I don't get into the US often anymore, because there isn't any work there . I am too proud to take Welfare and the US is one of 5 counties who tax you on worldwide income. So I spend my days in the land of no extradition! But when I do make it back stateside I visit my aging parents in B -More. Dad is a WWII vet. That "Hon" sign on 295 and that railroad bridge "Free Dorothy" never failed to crack me up. That was some funny stuff there. Its like coming home!

Posted by: The Walking Dude at April 26, 2014 08:20 AM (6z+V1)

45 We had some gentle, ground soaking rains back 2 & 3 days ago, yeterday was sunny, and today will be clear so this afternoon we will plant another row of potatoes, more spinach, kale, swiss chard, climbing green beans, and pinto beans. Its a bit too early for putting tomatoes and peppers outside as experience has taught us that 2nd week of May is the best. Happy and productive gardening to all in this misfit horde.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at April 26, 2014 08:21 AM (hpgw1)

46 Some asshole would paint "Free Dorothy" on that. They changed it up one year and went with "Welcome to Oz" when the wife and I were up there.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2014 08:23 AM (GEICT)

47 The potato plants have something icky on them. They have been sprayed. A fungus among us... I just got back from Lowes. Had to get some wabbit wepellent because most of my pansies have been eaten. And the marigold. And one pink petunia, but not all the purple ones. And the daisies. Finally, I have managed not to kill flowers for like 2-3 weeks!! In a row, even!! Stoopid bunny. The peas that survived the winter are going nuts. The garden gnomes picked a bowl-full and they are so sweet. The peas, not the gnomes.

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 26, 2014 08:23 AM (SUKHu)

48 And fuck all you people that can grow shit. My house sits on on a pile of sand. I got a couple inches of topsoil and then sand. Virtually nothing grows here.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2014 08:24 AM (GEICT)

49 Actually, it's not even topsoil. It's fill dirt. And it's full of all the crap, like random pieces of concrete, that the builders aren't supposed fill your lot with.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2014 08:26 AM (GEICT)

50 Love to stick around. But, $100+ worth of bulbs & plants arrived. I'm so excited!

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 26, 2014 08:27 AM (HVff2)

51 51 And fuck all you people that can grow shit. My house sits on on a pile of sand. I got a couple inches of topsoil and then sand. Virtually nothing grows here. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2014 12:24 PM (GEICT) We can double spade our garden and hit nothing but rich black dirt all the way down. Just thought I'd mention that. However, at our cabin in the U.P. there is nothing but sand. I can't find dirt anywhere on our three acres.

Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 08:27 AM (oMKp3)

52 Y-not, a girlfriend of mine moved to a new house after loosing one of her two cats. She got another young tom because her older cat was lonely and getting self-absorbed. She brought the young'un into the living room, in a carrier, and since they were both sweet tempered cats she just let them out where we might have a chance to separate them if they attacked. They hissed at each other and ran and hid behind separate sofas for an hour or two. They wound up being inseperable.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 26, 2014 08:30 AM (vTrNt)

53 Mango is a beautiful flame point kitteh! Three Meezers in our home; Mao and his two wimmin meezers, Malli and Saffy. We also have tomatoes in a raised box along with peppers (seeds courtesy of the little sweet peppers we buy at the store!), watermelons and cantaloupes. Hoping for a harvest, but only if the local wildlife will allow.

Posted by: dc at April 26, 2014 08:31 AM (b8fB0)

54 Annnd, as I look out the window, I see the 3 yds. of mulch that have just been delivered to my neighbor. I am committed to take a yard of it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 08:31 AM (aDwsi)

55 >>>I got a couple inches of topsoil and then sand. >>We can double spade our garden and hit nothing but rich black dirt all the way down. Just thought I'd mention that I put some begonias in the side yard. It hasn't been dug up and had potting soil mixed in like the other beds. There was so much clay, it was like mining for terra cotta. Just big ol' chunks of it.

Posted by: Mama AJ, a mile from the Red River at April 26, 2014 08:31 AM (SUKHu)

56 However, at our cabin in the U.P. there is nothing but sand. I can't find dirt anywhere on our three acres. Compost all the clippings and dead leaves and stuff. in a couple years u can make topsoil.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 26, 2014 08:32 AM (Fp7JI)

57 "Actually, it's not even topsoil. It's fill dirt. And it's full of all the crap, like random pieces of concrete, that the builders aren't supposed fill your lot with."

Have successfully transmogrified nasty fill dirt into reasonably productive garden soil. It is a long, slow, unpleasant, exacting process. But can be done.

Smart to get the stuff checked for things like lead contamination first if you plan to have a kitchen garden. I found a few spent boolits in one load of dirt. That stuff went to an area where only decorative plants grow. (They're doing well in it.)

Posted by: torquewrench at April 26, 2014 08:32 AM (noWW6)

58 I spent about 45 minutes in the rain hacking at the English ivy. This is the year that the ivy gets a radical transformation.

Posted by: fluffy at April 26, 2014 08:32 AM (Ua6T/)

59 What a pretty kitty. Congrats on your new feline family member!

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at April 26, 2014 08:32 AM (25HWz)

60 Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 12:11 PM (N/cFh) M-i-l provides us with all our canned tomatoes and salsa. They *need* to move to smaller property due to health issues though so I don't know what we'll do then. Hopefully be able to start giving them some I guess.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 26, 2014 08:32 AM (GDulk)

61 However, at our cabin in the U.P. there is nothing but sand. I can't find dirt anywhere on our three acres. Posted by: grammie ----------------------------- Probably those pesky glaciers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 08:32 AM (aDwsi)

62 No shade + sandy ground + living on the surface of the sun = everything burns to a crisp fairly quickly around here.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2014 08:33 AM (GEICT)

63 Regarding your cherokee tomatoes, what you had sounds like blossom rot. Check the soil that your planting in for PH if it's too acid (check seed packet for recommended PH), add bonemeal. Blossom rot is specifically caused by the plants inability to get enough calcium, the PH will let you know if this is the case (it's not hard to add too much of various fertilizers & inadvertantly cause this). As your PH becomes more acidic it will start to effect the less sensitive (to blossom rot) as well, the same brown/black/sunken blossom end will show up on squashes, eggplants, etc.

Posted by: Zhytamyr at April 26, 2014 08:33 AM (91nzM)

64 The wifey planted some Leeks, grape vines and a peanut plant on the balcony. I talk to them from time to time. They seem to enjoy the conversation.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at April 26, 2014 08:33 AM (6z+V1)

65 Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 26, 2014 12:32 PM (Fp7JI) Ya, I wish I could. We're in a pine forest. Nothing seems to grow there except pines and birch. Plus it's so dang cold on Lake Superior.

Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 08:35 AM (oMKp3)

66 There was a knowledgeable but sort of insane woman on a garden program that used to say that blossom end rot was a heat issue locally, where the really hot spells would affect the growth and uptake of Calcium. She suggested that spraying them with weak reconstituted milk might help. She also had a serious issue with tilling gardens, she hated it with a passion I reserve for federal regs. Is there any real reason for this other than she was a loon?

Posted by: Kindltot at April 26, 2014 08:38 AM (vTrNt)

67 Posted by: Kindltot at April 26, 2014 12:38 PM (vTrNt) Didn't happen to be Ruth Stout did it?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 26, 2014 08:40 AM (GDulk)

68 37 Tomato sandwich: White bread, thick smears of Duke's mayonnaise (everything else is just a pretender), thick slices of tomato (1/4" -3/8"), a dash of salt and pepper. If the juice rolls down your arms as you are eating it, then you know you have it right. Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 12:08 PM (aDwsi) ---------- This is the very best way to eat tomatoes. Add a slice of cheese. I don't even eat tomatoes year round. Only garden fresh tomato season. on a lark one day, I tried a peanut butter and tomato sandwich - surprisingly tasty. I kid you not.

Posted by: shredded chi at April 26, 2014 08:40 AM (UIcs1)

69 I have planted Moskvich and Brandywine. Moskvich proved great for Northern Indiana. Deep red globes, sweet intense flavor, crack-free. I'm not impressed with Brandywine. It is easy to leave them on the vine too long as they are a pink variety and I wait too long for them to ripen. German Johnson is similar and I think has superior flavor, hangs on the vine better and does not crack or blemish like Brandywine. We plant Rutgers and Roma for the main crop. My all-time favorite for fresh salsa cruda is 'Juliet', a hybrid. My buddy caged one last year that grew, I shit you not, twelve foot tall! Every year my cousin and I combine our gardens and make a few hundred jars of salsa. We fire-roasted Cayenne over the grill and made some wicked delicious red salsa. My garden measures 45 by 110 foot.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 26, 2014 08:41 AM (Fp7JI)

70 No, it wasn't Ruth Stout. It was on a Eugene radio station until the slot was taken over by a national gardening program.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 26, 2014 08:43 AM (vTrNt)

71 Gardening. Gardening, gardening, gardening.... Been having fun with the early growing season here in Texas. My potatoes are up to the tune of 160 plants. Growing corn between the rows (fingers crossed), a heavy sprinkling of radishes, carrots, Swiss chard, kale and assorted fun peppers are all doing nicely. I have 9 tomatoe plants that look good, but I never seem to have luck with them so that's a coin toss. Our first year we did raised beds. Last year we had. Large plot tilled and now the beds are lying fallow except for some spinach in one. I got chickens last year, now I have 20 girls and 2 mini horses (detestable creatures!) so this year I'm experimenting with composting some homemade fertilizer. My wife is collecting canning stuff and general preservation. Holy crap, folks, this is a lot of work! Serious question- does anyone out in the Moronosphere know anything about growing tobacco? I know my region (borderline of zones 6-7) is hospitable but we just ordered a few hundred seeds of 3 different heirloom varieties and I'm trying to decide where to cut a bed for them. Anyone with any experience, your wisdoms would be much appreciated

Posted by: Ddgreen67 at April 26, 2014 08:44 AM (1nT4p)

72 Egad! It looks like she's starring in one of those stomping/squishing perv videos.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 26, 2014 08:44 AM (DmNpO)

73 Mango is so cute, congrats on the new member of the family. My garden is doing very well, have baby tomatoes on most of my plants. Starting my yearly fight with early blight but the humidity here makes it damn near impossible not to. Have a few beans that are taking their time coming up but I'm not too concerned.

Posted by: SouthCounty at April 26, 2014 08:45 AM (6CSR9)

74 Boobs worked into a cooking thread It makes me proud to be a fellow Moron. I love you guys

Posted by: kbdabear at April 26, 2014 08:45 AM (aTXUx)

75 I stumbled into some links to stomp pron while looking for pix, ndh. Did NOT click. *shudders*

Posted by: Y-not at April 26, 2014 08:46 AM (+xKk0)

76 Better tomato sandwich: Soft bread, a thick slice of tomato, mayo, a slice of corned beef from a can, and the lettuce is optional. There is no way you won't get juice running down your arms.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 26, 2014 08:47 AM (vTrNt)

77 Posted by: Kindltot at April 26, 2014 12:38 PM (vTrNt) On an HGTV show (been awhile, but I think "Gardening by the Yard") the host said that tilling in wet soil can cause a "glaze" at the lowest level the tines reach that sort of seals the ground preventing nutrient exchange. It can also kill necessary micro-organisms. Besides, it's *hard* which for many people with health issues makes gardening seem impossible.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 26, 2014 08:48 AM (GDulk)

78 69 There was a knowledgeable but sort of insane woman on a garden program that used to say that blossom end rot was a heat issue locally, where the really hot spells would affect the growth and uptake of Calcium. She suggested that spraying them with weak reconstituted milk might help. She also had a serious issue with tilling gardens, she hated it with a passion I reserve for federal regs. Is there any real reason for this other than she was a loon? She is coocoo for cocopuffs! Spraying milk on tomatoes? Mebe she breastfeeds them? Tomatoes love teh hot hot hot days of summer but will stop flowering at temps above 90's resuming when the temps drop back below 90. Calcium is added with LIME (the rock, not the fruit). Last time I checked, limestone is pretty natural and is like, all over the Erf. A sudden disruption in moisture causes blossom end rot in maturing fruits because, well, that 'mater needs constant moisture to fill out and ripen. Supply ample water but do not let them live in a swamp.

Posted by: Cicero Kid, gardening since the age of 8. at April 26, 2014 08:50 AM (Fp7JI)

79 Living in an apartment with a small patio, I had to plant my tomatoes and chilis in containers and set them up on the patio wall. Never in all my years have the plants been so big and so full of tomatoes. I bought a super tomato from Burpee that is supposed to get plate sized, and can't wait to see how it does. It has just started to show buds. I have 10 tomato and 5 chili plants, all of which are doing quite well. The bigest tomato is over 3 feet tall. I. AM. THE. BOMB.

Posted by: TimothyJ at April 26, 2014 08:51 AM (ep2io)

80 I'm trying tobacco this year, but it is not warm enough here to sprout on my window sill yet. There are tutorials on YouTube though. I got my seed from a lady that grows it locally so I have hopes it will do well. Anyone have any luck doing the "Three Sisters" sqash/corn/beans combination?

Posted by: Kindltot at April 26, 2014 08:51 AM (vTrNt)

81 Last year the crazy cat lady next door got tobacco horn worms on here tomatoes and I had tomato horn worms on my tobacco.

This year it's grasshoppers.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at April 26, 2014 08:52 AM (L02KD)

82 Hubby reports that we have blackberries! The strawberries got eaten yet again. I guess we won't get to eat any until we put up netting. The blackberries have...expanded so much that we're going to need a bunch o' netting.

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 26, 2014 08:53 AM (SUKHu)

83 I spent about 45 minutes in the rain hacking at the English ivy. This is the year that the ivy gets a radical transformation. Posted by: fluffy ---------------------------- Last year, seeking to shade the western wall of our house, started Virginia Creeper on that wall. This may not end well. Pics : Growing http://tinypic.com/m/i39tg1/1 Changing color in the Fall : http://tinypic.com/r/15s3igg/8

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 08:55 AM (aDwsi)

84 I never had much trouble recently with the "hard" part since I started borrowing a friend's Kubota tractor with a tiller attachment

Posted by: Kindltot at April 26, 2014 08:56 AM (vTrNt)

85 My suggestion about blackberries: don't use netting. Use herbicide.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 26, 2014 08:57 AM (vTrNt)

86 I never had much trouble recently with the "hard" part since I started borrowing a friend's Kubota tractor with a tiller attachment Posted by: Kindltot ------------- :: hangs head..., weeps ::

Posted by: Gaia at April 26, 2014 08:58 AM (aDwsi)

87 Anyone have any luck doing the "Three Sisters" sqash/corn/beans combination? I have. Not a very efficient use of space, but looks pretty cool growing. Corn really likes to be kinds crowded for good pollination.

Posted by: Cicero Kid, gardening since the age of 8. at April 26, 2014 08:58 AM (Fp7JI)

88 Heirloom
Organic
Sustainable
Carbon footprint
↑  ↑  ↑
Affected Horseshit

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 26, 2014 09:02 AM (ujux6)

89 Yeah, I'm not finding the "Giada's Tomatoes" photo to be teh sechsy.

It's not the seeming bloodiness of it. It's the WASTE. Pouring food on the floor.

My grandparents were Great Depression survivors, and they and my parents made for damn sure that as I grew up in comparative affluence decades later, that I should _always_ be grateful every single time I sat down to a healthy full meal.

Not every part of the parenting and grandparenting I received was on the mark, not all of what was on the mark actually stuck, but that part definitely did.

To this day it drives me absolutely out of my gourd when we have younger family members behave wastefully with food. I have come to think of it as one of the defining symptoms of "affluenza".

Waste and irresponsibility with precious resources, and food surely is one, are not habits to be encouraging. Not if we want a healthy culture.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 26, 2014 09:03 AM (noWW6)

90  I have a 4 ft tall eggplant bush from last year that has a dozen sgg sized fruits on it finally. Zucchini is starting to leaf out seriously and cucumber getting into gear. 88 degrees right now. Have to keep watered.

Posted by: Bill sometimes bill from Canada at April 26, 2014 09:04 AM (qS0q2)

91 I keep telling youse guys, and yet I don't see them show up in the brag and boast section, you really can't have a suburban estate with gardens without a tractor with a loader on it. Just a small one, like I keep telling myself. In addition to putting whole Lowe's parking lots worth of "laborers" out of work, you can then turn a respectable compost heap, and convert your various earth elements into living soil. Once you have one, you'll wonder how you ever got by without it.

I had some lovely Romas "sport" with my more-or-less native cherry tomatoes, and for several seasons had remarkable pear-shaped miniature paste tomatoes. And I wouldn't shut up about them either. Sadly, as is the way of such things, the strain did not continue. Most people who start "legacy" and "heritage" patches are in hope that the seeds will remain true to their genetic base. Looks like this is a myth, according to articles cited above.

Condemned to several months of Atkins-like recipe planning, I've been noticing that the biggest thing "experts" have against pasta dishes is the carbohydrate content of commercial sauces. They're all sugared up, I guess. But tomatoes themselves are on everybody's must-eat list. They do pick up some carb content as the magic of cooking and concentration occur, but still, if you make your own sauce with just tomato, peppers, onion and garlic, the carb content will be effectively zero. I'm making a zucchini-noodled lasagna today. Lot of cheese.

Around these parts, there are always a few still on the vine, and some peppers you were hoping would change to red or yellow, when fall frost hits. Don't throw those away. If you pick them right away and stew them into a sauce, they cook up just fine.  If you use all green ones, you get a bilious-colored salsa that you can hotten up and scare people at Super-Bowl parties with. The Fearsome Joy of Cooking. 

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 26, 2014 09:05 AM (xq1UY)

92 Posted by: Kindltot at April 26, 2014 12:56 PM (vTrNt) Unfortunately those are a little impractical for suburban lots. I'm hoping the "8 inches of mulch" plan is indded a winner.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 26, 2014 09:08 AM (GDulk)

93 ª ª ª Affected Horseshit Composted Chicken Shit works better for Vegetative Stage. High Phosphorous Bat Guano for Blooming.

Posted by: garrett at April 26, 2014 09:08 AM (tNK0Y)

94 Wow. Wifey just looked it up and found out we grow so much we actually qualify as a small farm. Good god. Sorry about the rambling post earlier. It was very stream-of-consciousness while I walked the garden. I'd like to officially ask for a canning-food preservation thread. So, pretty please? And for grasshopper and bug related problems, if you have room I recommend chickens. Frickin velociraptors!

Posted by: Ddgreen67 at April 26, 2014 09:08 AM (1nT4p)

95 And for grasshopper and bug related problems, if you have room I recommend chickens. Frickin velociraptors Guinea fowl.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 26, 2014 09:10 AM (Fp7JI)

96
High Phosphorous Bat Guano for Blooming.

Posted by: garrett


Bat guano is the suspected vector for the AIDS virus.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 26, 2014 09:10 AM (ujux6)

97 Bat guano is the suspected vector for the AIDS virus. Don't fuck it and you should be fine. If you are worried, get the Low AIDS Blend.

Posted by: garrett at April 26, 2014 09:12 AM (tNK0Y)

98 On the west coast of Scotland it never really gets warm enough to grow a lot of things - sweetcorn is hit and miss, and tomatoes are out of the question without a glasshouse.  I'm a bit bored with the potatoes, rhubarb and kale we can reliably grow, so I'm trying lots of weird things this year.  Tatar breadplant (Crambe tatarica), from a seed supplier in Estonia (get it while it lasts - Estonia, that is), which is a kind of cabbage that makes a long starchy root. Skirret (Sium sisarum), a forgotten parsnip/carrot type perennial that makes a bundle of white roots. Alexanders (Smyrnium olusatrum), loved by the Romans but replaced by celery. Oca (Oxalis tuberosa) or New Zealand yams, for the third (or fourth?) year now - these are easy if you can dodge the frost into early December. Ulluco (Ullucus tuberosus), another Peruvian tuber, which tastes like beetroot and has the texture of boiled peanut. Yacon (Smallanthus sonchifolius), yet another South American tuber crop, in the sunflower family - I don't actually like it, it's meant to taste like apple or pear but doesn't, but it is very productive. Grassnut (Triteleia laxa), once eaten by Californian tribes - and actually pretty good, like an oniony potato that tastes a bit like fava beans too; I'm just not too sure how safe it is to eat in bulk. Caraway, for its root, which when cooked is soft and chewy, with a mild parsnip taste. Arrowhead (Sagittaria sagittifolia) or duck potato, pond plant with edible tubers. Fenugreek, for the fresh leaves called methi for Indian cuisine. Burdock (Arctium lappa), a Japanese variety for kinpira. Also trying potatoes grown from true seeds rather than seed tubers, just for fun, to see what happens. A few other leafy things. Am still growing potatoes and peas, though, so the year won't be a complete write-off.

Posted by: Botec at April 26, 2014 09:12 AM (5/AQM)

99 Ditto on a canning thread. Went to an extension institute seminar last season, and I didn't know how much I didn't know. And, have we covered chickens here? They will change your whole nature-loving attitude about the neighborhood animals, I'll say that. Rats, foxes, coyotes, raccoons, feral cats and dog-like creatures, "o"possum: they're all out there, even if you've never seen them, and they will all prey on chickens given half a chance.  

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 26, 2014 09:14 AM (xq1UY)

100 >>I'd like to officially ask for a canning-food preservation thread. Cool. My youngest wants us to make pickles. He and my husband planted some cucumbers, so I may actually have to do it!

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 26, 2014 09:14 AM (SUKHu)

101 Sevin has dramatically reduced the grasshopper munching, but they did a lot of damage.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at April 26, 2014 09:16 AM (L02KD)

102 @97, Chickens will eat and devour anything. One my Chickens ate a rattler. Swallowed it whole. If I didn't see it with my own eyes I would have never believed it.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at April 26, 2014 09:18 AM (6z+V1)

103 I've tried several varieties of heirloom tomato. The major benefit is that you can save seeds, plant them next year, and know what you're going to get. (As long as you planted your varieties far enough apart that they don't cross-pollinate. Realistically, that's a bit difficult if you plant more than one variety.) They're great for cherry and plum tomatoes. I especially recommend the yellow pear varieties. Larger than that, and they can start getting finicky. They have unusual tastes and quirky looks, but the yield can be a bit low, a bit late, and splitting can be a big problem. As a practical matter, the hybrid varieties you buy for gardening are different from the varieties commercially farmed. They focus on flavor more than durability, shelf-life, and ripening all at the same time. (Also, homegrown tomatoes aren't harvested while still green and force-ripened.) I'm not really a fan of Early Girl or some of the bigger beefsteaks, but most any variety you'll find for garden planting will give you good, flavorful tomatoes. By all means, try some heirlooms. They're good. But so are nearly all of your other available options.

Posted by: Luke at April 26, 2014 09:19 AM (iv/0U)

104 Last year, seeking to shade the western wall of our house, started Virginia Creeper on that wall. This may not end well.
We put in our ivy about 7-8 years ago. It wants to take over the world, so best to not let it go further. Last fall I spent about 6+ hours at my in-laws hacking back wild creepers that came up out of the swamp, trying to strangle their rhodies. I'm sure the stuff didn't just give up.

Posted by: fluffy at April 26, 2014 09:21 AM (Ua6T/)

105 When we first got this place I was like 'oh look, a cute little fox!' Then I lost a chicken. Nature was nice when I lived in the city. Now it's trying to steal my chickens. A single laying Rhode Island Red is 300 eggs a year. I now have live traps and an area in back where I throw the bodies

Posted by: Ddgreen67 at April 26, 2014 09:23 AM (1nT4p)

106

WD,

How will you access your raised beds for harvesting with chicken wire fence around outside and the beds themselves so close together?

What are you using for filler that you have so many weeds? 

Posted by: colonialGal at April 26, 2014 09:24 AM (rKVim)

107 Walking Dude, once snakes figure out you have chickens, they give a wide berth. Last year mine got 3 large grass snakes and a young copperhead. Talk about paying rent!

Posted by: Ddgreen67 at April 26, 2014 09:28 AM (1nT4p)

108 Y-Not, your new kitty is quite handsome! I love the name Mango, it suits his coloring.

I'm living vicariously through you all. Here, outside Mpls, it is 48degress and still kind of muddy in spots. I know it is truly spring because I saw two yellow-rumped warblers yesterday(tee-hee, I said rump!)

I've put down the liquid fence around the yard to keep the deer and rabbits off my sedum. I hate it when they nip the buds right off!

I did plant some pansies. At least my back step looks nice.

Have fun y'all.

Posted by: SnowyBits at April 26, 2014 09:28 AM (wlWVp)

109 Posted by: The Walking Dude at April 26, 2014 01:18 PM (6z+V1) Wow! I'd like some in theory but heard they'll eat all the lizards so even if they were allowed in my neighborhood I'm not sure I'd *actually* like them.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 26, 2014 09:29 AM (GDulk)

110 Have you noticed Anna Puma knows a lot of strange facts? OMG, Anna is really Cliff Claven!!!!!!!! Eleventy!!!!!!

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at April 26, 2014 09:30 AM (waSQV)

111 Sorta on-topic, sorta off? That cute cat lady of the Island- who I tried growing wildflowers & squash for with little success? Is talking about going back to her hometown in CT. Two summers ago it looked like we might be going somewhere- then she got off her meds, flooded her house, & got arrested. I bailed her out & have seen little of her since. I'd hate to lose her- I might love her a little. But she has to do what is best for her- her sleazy husband saddled her with millions of dollars of debts.

Posted by: backhoe at April 26, 2014 09:31 AM (ULH4o)

112

Torque,

Re the raised raised beds: put filler in vs soil/compost. Cuts down on cost

also for those people that are building wooden raised beds put in a line

of gravel/small stone below the wood to delay rotting.

reep what you sow  

Posted by: colonialGal at April 26, 2014 09:32 AM (rKVim)

113 @114-Backhoe, it is sad that you might loose her. Have you told her how you feel? She should know so she can make an informed decision.

Posted by: SnowyBits at April 26, 2014 09:38 AM (wlWVp)

114 109 I step over the fence. The rows between the beds are a foot wide, which is plenty wide enough to navigate. The weeds were last year, not in the raised beds. I assume they came from weed seeds, spread far and wide on the wind by wild plants. I dunno, I didn't take the time to ask them about their pedigree before uprooting them. Once it became clear that last year's garden was going to be a failure (due to the poor soil), I stopped bothering and they ran riot.

Posted by: Weirddave at April 26, 2014 09:40 AM (N/cFh)

115

Botec,

Try cold weather crops such as cabbage, kholrabbi, brussels sprouts, broc,cauli and spinach am sure there are others as well.

Have read about people who use rabbits to heat their greenhouses.

It sounds damn clever use thier poo for garden, eat their meat and raise veg with the heat they emit. 

Posted by: colonialGal at April 26, 2014 09:47 AM (rKVim)

116 >>Posted by: Ddgreen67 at April 26, 2014 01:08 PM (1nT4p) OK. I'll ask Charlie Brown if he'd like to do it as part of the food thread. If not, I'd be happy to put one together.

Posted by: Y-not at April 26, 2014 09:58 AM (zDsvJ)

117 The market for muskrat and raccoon hides has come back somewhat, and I can't speculate why. I presume that fox is still on the untouchable list, since it was fashionable once. And we probably won't be discussing hide-tanning here as a practical matter. But there is this: One fox skin, properly chosen and cured, makes a truly imposing hat. The little head ends up with its snout on your forehead, and the arms, so to speak, are perfect earflaps.

Find a market for those (everybody who sees yours), and your fox-burying days are over.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 26, 2014 10:00 AM (xq1UY)

118 Posted by: TimothyJ at April 26, 2014 12:51 PM (ep2io) Congrats on teh patio success! I had some patio gardening links that I didn't get around to this week. Probably put them in next week. You can be our Resident Expert!

Posted by: Y-not at April 26, 2014 10:01 AM (zDsvJ)

119 Much appreciated, oh Great and Might Y

Posted by: Ddgreen67 at April 26, 2014 10:05 AM (1nT4p)

121 I'd love to plant Trucker's Favorite corn again, but it's like ringing the dinner bell for the deer and rabbits as the sprouts come up. You'd think the wild life would be satisfied with the thousands of acres of Monsanto corn around here. I guess they can tell the difference of non-GMO produce. What corn makes it to maturity is feasted upon by the raccoons. (Notice I didn't use their common name. I wouldn't want to be taken out context by the NYT...)

Posted by: Spun and Murky at April 26, 2014 10:14 AM (4DCSq)

122 Don't fuck it and you should be fine.

But in a way, is this not the story of Obama?

I don't know, I ain't buying it, but all shit is dangerous and calls for careful handling.
I get pigeon droppings, dried, from a sweet old codger who used to race them and still pigs-in-a-blankets a brace of squab from time to time. You keep that bag sealed up tight, and wear a dust mask if you ever pour it out. It clumps. Can be worked into a compost if it's going to sit for quite a while, but most users dissolve it in water and dispense alongside the row with a sprinkling can. Guess on the weak side -- it can burn plants. Hot stuff. Nearly pure potassium nitrate.

Anna Puma can tell you all about it: there were colonial wars over those guano islands, and it wasn't just for the fertilizer. Guano was the basis for modern artillery propellants. The Navassa Affair was the inspiration for Doctor No.

Pigeon guano is the cause of most missing church steeples (it does combust spontaneously, and can be three feet deep in an old church), and the associated lung disease is the #1 occupational hazard of building restorers.   

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 26, 2014 10:22 AM (xq1UY)

123 Mango is beautiful. We had a pallet of bricks/stone delivered early this morning and moved them all to the backyard. Dug out our cedar raised beds and are going to replace with the stone. But, it's raining, so we did what we needed to; got the bricks off the pallet to the backyard and off the driveway and covered them with a tarp. Then quickly pulled up the boards and rebar from the old garden boxes to prepare to work on it first thing tomorrow morning (or whenever my husband gets up, eats breakfast and mosies on outside).

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 26, 2014 10:24 AM (IXrOn)

124 I had a dinner party this week, where I made an "Heirloom Tomato" salad (with a simple red wine vinaigrette and dijon dressing) and goat cheese. I must say, I was not impressed with the tomatoes at all. One bright yellow, one a very dark purple, and one a bright red. They seemed perfectly ripe, but were not the greatest in taste. Two years ago I grew some heirloom tomatoes, which were much better in taste then these store bought ones of course, but, I'm not buying into the hype either.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 26, 2014 10:30 AM (IXrOn)

125 Ah, I saw the Better Homes link after my post. The tomatoes I served in my salad were: Black Cherry Costoluto Genovese Goldie

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 26, 2014 10:34 AM (IXrOn)

126 So I see a 'coon in the backyard in the middle of the day (maybe that are s what's getting in the attic?). Not good. I don't like seeing them or possums active during daylight hours. And not five minutes later t he doggeh is playing with some small critter way out back. I go to investigate, and he's found the first box turtle of the year. I usually find a couple out back over the course of the year. I guess spring has sprung after all.

Posted by: shredded chi at April 26, 2014 10:56 AM (UIcs1)

127 I find that the heirloom toms in the supermarket aren't worth the exorbitant price. Tasteless and squishy water bombs fit only to be hurled from overpasses.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at April 26, 2014 11:16 AM (QBm1P)

128 alfalfa meal will improve soil no matter how bad it is.

Posted by: Carol at April 26, 2014 11:27 AM (gjOCp)

129 Kumato tomatoes in the grocery store are delicious. They are $3.50 for a one pound package at Market Basket & $4 for same package at Stop & Shop. My Italian neighbors, who have garden tomatoes in the summer recommended them to me a few weeks ago. I tried them & loved them.

Posted by: Carol at April 26, 2014 11:29 AM (gjOCp)

130

Anyway, on gardening, what I now reflect upon is truly raised raised-bed gardens, for the years when working while on hands and knees or while squatting won't be physically possible, much less fun. Make the bed high enough, and appropriately dimensioned, to be comfortably worked from a sitting position...Posted by: torquewrench at April 26, 2014

You might want to look into the Vegtrug.  It's a raised bed on legs, my wife got me one for Christmas from Gardner's Supply.  It's going to let me garden on our deck where the sun is best in our backyard.

Posted by: Emily Litella at April 26, 2014 12:04 PM (LgCwh)

131 Just came in. Round one of planting is done. At least 2 more rounds to go. Damn late spring. I suspect when we leave for vacation next week the other plants/bulbs will arrive. Rain & snow showers forecasted tonight. Yuck. It felt good to be out in the flower beds again. It has been a long winter.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 26, 2014 01:16 PM (HVff2)

132 I hope someone waters my garden and all the plants while I'm gone. I'm kind of in a type of hell, on the USS Lexington for an OVERNIGHT trip with about 200 cub scouts.... help!!!!

Posted by: lindafell on the USS Lexington at April 26, 2014 03:19 PM (7+uJ1)

133 You're at the bottom of the Coral Sea? How do you have Internet access?

Posted by: Weirddave at April 26, 2014 03:49 PM (suQh3)

134 Ha! It's in Corpus Christi, TX.

Posted by: lindafell on the USS Lexington at April 26, 2014 04:05 PM (7+uJ1)

135 It's funny because it cost me $60 to have 2 guys move the dirt I had delivered from my front side yard to my three 8x4 raised garden beds.

Posted by: lindafell on the USS Lexington at April 26, 2014 04:12 PM (7+uJ1)

136 I planted more than 30 cultivars of tomatoes, both open-pollinated and hybrid, back in January. Gave away a lot of plants, planted 70 or so, still have a few to go. Heirlooms ARE inbred, are picky about climate and soil, but have some have valuable characteristics. They tend not to have resistance to some of the more recent garden tomato diseases, so grafting can help with regard to soil diseases. There are also some breeders working on new cultivars with heirloom taste and modern disease resistance. One of the tomatoes I'm growing this year is probably the potato-leaf "heirloom" mother of the Early Girl Hybrid. Going to try crossing it with some open-pollinated beefsteaks to make new F1 hybrids. F2 to F8 generations from such crosses need to be selected for desired characteristics to make a stable open-pollinated cultivar. I don't think I'm going to do this. Heirlooms will not necessarily stay true to type unless they are isolated from other varieties or if the blossoms are "bagged" when they bloom. Still, sports (mutations) are possible. Only a few are good mutations. For an education on how new "heirlooms" are made, check out the bi-hemispheric Dwarf Tomato Project. http://dwarftomatoproject.net/History.php

Posted by: KT at April 26, 2014 05:06 PM (qahv/)

137 Botec @ 101: Love that you're growing a bunch of off-beat edibles in Scotland. I used to get the JL Hudson catalog, featuring a lot of those kinds of things. Probably still have some seeds of some of them. Thompson and Morgan used to have a lot of things like that until the White Sheet came out, too.

Posted by: KT at April 26, 2014 05:46 PM (qahv/)

138 Y-not, you might try feeding your kitties something special (in separate bowls) when both are in the room. My "tomato nerd" is re-appearing now. "Cherokee" is not an heirloom. It was developed at North Carolina State University. One of its parents is Ace 55, a popular offering in nurseries in our hot-summer climate. The original Ace tomato was a field tomato. One strain of Ace tomatoes went into space for some sort of scientific experiment. http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Cherokee What you probably grew was Cherokee Purple. It is considered to be an heirloom because it came from a family garden. It is likely that the dark coloration came from breeding stock which escaped from a university breeding program. This tomato can have an exquisite flavor if it likes your soil and climate. It must be picked with green shoulders - before it is fully ripe. I can only grow it in part shade here. More on tomato breeding here: http://www.doublehelixfarms.com/arkansas-traveler Blossom end rot can affect most tomatoes, but is most common in beefsteaks and plum-shaped tomatoes. Sometimes it goes away in my garden after the first flush of fruit. If you would like to try a Cherokee Purple type which is a little earlier and less demanding, you might try Indian Stripe, Gary'O Sena or Pink Berkeley Tie-Dye. Indigo Rose is an open-pollinated tomato, like all the others named in this comment. It is a popular novelty right now, so it is available grafted. Some tastier "blue" tomatoes may be coming along soon.

Posted by: KT at April 26, 2014 09:42 PM (qahv/)

139 Botec @ 101: I meant the EU's "White List", of course. The Thompson and Morgan catalog was much more interesting prior to its restrictions. I'm not sure how accurately the following piece reflects the current situation with regard to buyers of off-beat seed stock within the EU. I know that there are some exemptions from the White List now. http://www.wildgardenseed.com/articles/plant-patents-on-common-vegetables

Posted by: KT at April 27, 2014 02:59 AM (qahv/)

140 KT: there's some more on the stupid EU regulation here http://www.realseeds.co.uk/terms.html

Posted by: Botec at April 27, 2014 03:38 AM (5/AQM)

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