January 10, 2014
— Ace DrewM. mentioned this analysis in the podcast.
[I] havenÂ’t really seen much discussion about the Medicaid figures. The 4 million new beneficiaries seems to be taking on near-canonical status, even being used by the fact checkers at the Washington Post for evaluating GOP claims.
Shocker on that.
This is odd, because after looking carefully at the numbers cited, the Medicaid figures are the weakest of the bunch. ItÂ’s a virtual certainty that the number of enrollments attributable to Obamacare is an order of magnitude less than the 4 million sign-ups implied, and the number of people [on Medicaid] who would actually lose their insurance if Obamacare were repealed is probably around 200,000 to 300,000.The problem is identified in this Ezra Klein column (emphasis mine):
“Meanwhile, in October and November alone, more than 4 million people signed up for Medicaid coverage. This number will be much higher when December’s totals are released. It’s hard to say exactly how many of those Medicaid enrollments Obamacare is responsible for -- the government’s numbers don’t distinguish between people who signed up through Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion and those who entered the program through pre-existing channels. But the fact remains that Medicaid enrolled well over twice as many people as signed up for private insurance through the exchanges."
(Note: Klein has just published more to this effect.)
This is really important stuff. The statistics tell us how many people signed up for Medicaid, period, in October and November. The problem is that people are always signing up for Medicaid. Even without the ACA, we would have had people signing up in October and November. Lots of them, in fact: Medicaid is a program that services 60 million citizens, so the number of monthly enrollments that keep a relatively stable population is pretty substantial.
So, how many of these 4 million sign-ups are attributable to Obamacare, and how many of them are just people who entered the system under the earlier rules?
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Which brings us back to our number above: 1.9 million total enrollees approved in October or November in states that actually expanded Medicaid. If we are correct in our assumptions above—that is, if 10 percent of these enrollees are due to the Obamacare expansion—then we have an actual estimate for Medicaid enrollment due directly to the ACA’s expansion of Medicaid: 190,000.
That's an analysis of the 1.9 million claimed "Obamacare Medicaid enrollees" in the figures he has; if you double that number (taking account of enrollees through the exchanges) you still only get about 380,000.
That's generous in the Administration's favor. Even with such generous assumptions, the real number is less than ten percent of the claimed number.
And yet the Washington Post uses this figure to "fact check" Republican claims.
Corrected: I got confused about the "four million" enrollees claimed and the 1.9 million Trende has information for and thus could analyze. This resulted in my mistating how off these figures were (by a favor of ten, as opposed to twenty) and general numerical confusion.
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Posted by: Vortex Lovera at January 10, 2014 10:49 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Killerdog at January 10, 2014 10:50 AM (nieyS)
I'm still trying to figure out how 4 million MORE people on Medicaid would have been a GOOD thing anyway.
But this is the "administration" that believes unemployment payments help the economy, and food stamps are The Shit.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 10, 2014 10:50 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at January 10, 2014 10:51 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Flyguy at January 10, 2014 10:52 AM (2NG6u)
Paid for half the births in 2012.
Posted by: HR at January 10, 2014 10:52 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 10, 2014 10:52 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 10, 2014 10:52 AM (41qix)
Posted by: Bigby's Squeegee Hands at January 10, 2014 10:52 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Washington Post at January 10, 2014 10:53 AM (0cMkb)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2014 10:53 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 10, 2014 10:53 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 10, 2014 10:53 AM (Z9BWx)
Posted by: Chief Brodie at January 10, 2014 10:53 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 10, 2014 10:54 AM (41qix)
He fired the contractor, refuses to release weekly data, and is having Reid fuck over the GOP Surrender First Caucus on UE Extension...
Given Obama's character does ANY of that smell like success to you?
This fucker and the dems have destroyed the American economy and they REALLY are gonna run on the economy as a positive and win b/c the GOP "Compassionates" are gonna finish off the conservatives.
I am strangely okay with this.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 10:54 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 10:54 AM (aDwsi)
Because gov't sponsored healthcare = good, and shut up you racist.
Posted by: looking closely at January 10, 2014 10:54 AM (PwGfd)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 10, 2014 10:54 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Washington Post at January 10, 2014 10:55 AM (0cMkb)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: chili con carne at January 10, 2014 10:55 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2014 10:55 AM (4JkHl)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2014 02:53 PM (g1DWB)
Right? And the more Medicaid patients a practice receives, the worse their reimbursement for services. And you know it's just a matter of time before the gubmint decides to mandate that medical practices accept a certain percentage of Medicaid and Medicare patients.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 10, 2014 10:55 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: AE at January 10, 2014 10:55 AM (sSKe8)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 10, 2014 10:55 AM (U1Tts)
Posted by: David Brooks at January 10, 2014 10:55 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2014 10:55 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 10, 2014 10:56 AM (pginn)
Posted by: mrp at January 10, 2014 10:56 AM (HjPtV)
Letting it devolve into a numbers-crunching game is dangerous, because the LIVs tune out.
Keep it focused on the individuals who are losing insurance, can't buy coverage, get kicked out of ERs, and then eventually, focus on the 67-year--old grandmother of four who died as a result of confusion in coverage.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2014 10:56 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 10, 2014 10:56 AM (41qix)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 10, 2014 10:56 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Wapo fact checker at January 10, 2014 10:56 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2014 10:57 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: boniface ballers at January 10, 2014 10:57 AM (l3RZ9)
And yet the Washington Post uses this figure to "fact check" Republican claims.
Well of course they are! Why not, since the Republicans won't correct them.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 10:57 AM (gYIst)
Posted by: Radical Wind Femtard at January 10, 2014 10:57 AM (pginn)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 10, 2014 02:55 PM (U1Tts)
For the next 5 year plan to work, more than 4 million will need to die in the streets.
Posted by: Barack O'Stalin at January 10, 2014 10:57 AM (Pr6hk)
>>I'm still trying to figure out how 4 million MORE people on Medicaid would have been a GOOD thing anyway.
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.Read the News Papers from either Louisville or Lexington here in Kentucky to find out why. They are absolutely crowing about the increase in Medicaid people and it doesn't cost the State a dime! Everyone gets free stuff and it is revenue neutral for the State. They are dissing all over Indiana and the fact they didn't get on the free Federal money train.
And in 2019 they will be screaming for the State to step up and cover the extra people that Obama Care added to the Medicaid rolls. Idiots.
Posted by: Registered Voter at January 10, 2014 10:57 AM (nUbHY)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2014 10:57 AM (ZqlGu)
A primary care physician told me last week, that since Medicare is only paying him $15/visit, he's now telling patients that he can only deal with one issue per visit.
"Want your blood pressure medicine adjusted AND your diabetes medicine adjusted? Make an appt to see me next week"
You know THIS does wonders for physician availability and wait times.
Posted by: looking closely at January 10, 2014 10:58 AM (PwGfd)
Posted by: Radical Wind Femtard at January 10, 2014 02:57 PM (pginn)
Sure. Obamacare is raping people.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 10, 2014 10:58 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: blindside at January 10, 2014 10:58 AM (WzWmY)
I'd like some models on top of me. Like Bar Refaeli, if she's available.
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 10, 2014 10:58 AM (fD/pw)
of course I wish I hadn't had the scramble tongue flashbacks...
eich bod yn gwybod yr hyn yr wyf meanl?
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 10:58 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 10, 2014 10:59 AM (Z9BWx)
Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2014 10:59 AM (4JkHl)
Posted by: joncelli at January 10, 2014 11:00 AM (RD7QR)
So a candidate for VA State Senator compares the tea party to rapists.
I'm awaiting citations to A. Marcotte, Think Progress and Slate as to why this is a brilliant, and justifiable, piece.
As well as confirmation from Politifact and Glenn Kessler that these claims are "True".
But the people are dying to know the crucial question, what's her position on gay anal rape between consenting tea partiers????
Posted by: prescient11 at January 10, 2014 11:00 AM (tVTLU)
@52 You know THIS does wonders for physician availability and wait times.
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Maybe. It might also do wonders in encouraging doctors to overload their schedules as much as possible.
Of course, that just encourages burn out...
Either way, it's still probably a bad thing.
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 11:00 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at January 10, 2014 11:00 AM (il1Hy)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2014 11:00 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 10, 2014 11:01 AM (PYAXX)
I'd like some models on top of me. Like Bar Refaeli, if she's available.
Posted by: Waterhouse
I might be able to arrange Mike Mann?
Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2014 11:01 AM (4JkHl)
Letting it devolve into a numbers-crunching game is dangerous, because the LIVs tune out.
I agree to an extent, but we also have to keep pointing out how the gubmint is cooking the books to make it seem like Obammycare is helping people get coverage who haven't had it before. It's not.
You have to come at the attack from all sides: not only is Obammycare taking coverage away from people who already had it, it's NOT getting coverage to people who allegedly "need" it. Not only is Obammycare denying treatment to people, it's giving coverage to people for things they'll never need. Not only are the premiums stupidly high, but the deductibles are so enormous that you're essentially paying to have insurance you'll never use.
It's destroying the health insurance and health care industries in this country with absolutely zero benefits or improvements to offset the disaster.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 10, 2014 11:01 AM (4df7R)
So, add another reason why the number is a lie.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 10, 2014 11:01 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 10, 2014 11:02 AM (41qix)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2014 11:02 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 10, 2014 11:02 AM (DmNpO)
Proggs and Free Shitters in Indiana are doing the same thing. That scrunt from my quilt group says she's going to move to Kentucky just to sign up for the free welfare (she's lying, just like every progg who promised to move to Canada or France when Bush was re-elected lied...)
Kinda surreal; first time I've ever heard a progg use "Kentucky" as anything other than an epithet.
Posted by: HR at January 10, 2014 11:03 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Wapo fact checker at January 10, 2014 11:03 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: King Barky the Liar at January 10, 2014 11:03 AM (WGm5T)
Posted by: Barbie at January 10, 2014 02:54 PM (dmepw)
<sobs uncontrollably in corner>
Posted by: Ken at January 10, 2014 11:04 AM (XrGnJ)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 10, 2014 11:04 AM (U1Tts)
I heard that, you racist.
Posted by: Mallfly at January 10, 2014 11:04 AM (bJm7W)
Posted by: dogfish at January 10, 2014 11:04 AM (nsOJa)
Posted by: DangerGirl at January 10, 2014 11:05 AM (KuUy9)
Posted by: Mallfly at January 10, 2014 11:05 AM (bJm7W)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2014 11:06 AM (g4TxM)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2014 11:06 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 10, 2014 11:06 AM (PYAXX)
Ummm.......right?
Posted by: Marmo at January 10, 2014 11:07 AM (QW+AD)
>>A primary care physician told me last week, that since Medicare is only paying him $15/visit, he's now telling patients that he can only deal with one issue per visit.
"Want your blood pressure medicine adjusted AND your diabetes medicine adjusted? Make an appt to see me next week"
You know THIS does wonders for physician availability and wait times.
.
.
.From my own experience, that has been the rule for years using TRICARE. One visit one issue. Had a Doctor bitch at me once for trying to circumvent the one "major complaint" per visit rule, said it costs him money. It is after all how they get reimbursed. They can claim only one thing for each visit and TRICARE doesn't pay them much.
Posted by: Registered Voter at January 10, 2014 11:07 AM (nUbHY)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 10, 2014 11:07 AM (Z9BWx)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 10, 2014 11:07 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 11:08 AM (aDwsi)
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I'm finding out that one important aspect of Medicaid, and this is for moderate wealth individuals, is the home health care and equipment it covers.
And that's what the Boomers will be looking for: A nurse to come over and help them take a shower, etc. so they can keep living at home.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 10, 2014 11:08 AM (VjL9S)
What I don't understand is why the GOP isn't highlighting the real number...
heheheh, yes, it's quite the scooby mystery, isn't it.
Let's suss it out, together, shall we? The possible explanations are as follows:
i. Republicans are simply ignorant of the facts.
ii. Republicans are afraid to come out against obamacare.
iii. Republicans do not want to come out against obamacare.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 11:08 AM (gYIst)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 10, 2014 11:09 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2014 11:09 AM (CJjw5)
I think it means half the women who gave birth got it for little to no cost to themselves; taxpayers reimbursed providers a small portion of the cost. Why? What does it really mean?
Posted by: HR at January 10, 2014 11:09 AM (ZKzrr)
Why are we talking about this when a governor with a (R) after his name may have had some knowledge about closing lanes on a bridge?
What's <i>really</i> more important?
Posted by: MSM at January 10, 2014 11:09 AM (S+el1)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 10, 2014 11:10 AM (7ObY1)
You'll still die cold and alone in the dark, but at least first, you'll have your "I told you sos" to whisper into the ears of your libtard neighbors as the light leaves their eyes and you start quartering their corpse for the cook fire.
Release me.
Posted by: Schadenboner at January 10, 2014 11:10 AM (NF2Bf)
>>>Don't woory aboat it. Come October, when the Employer Mandate takes effect and TENS of millions of people lose their coverage, it'll be too big to paper over.
In every case where a nation starts to topple the pols are all over the news telling everybody its all cool, just another coupla meetings to straighten out some minor details, etc. as they step onto their planes, suitcases full of bearer-bonds in hand. We won't be any different. A lot of people are about to learn a very harsh lesson. And I need to stock up on baby formula, I think.
Posted by: Bigby's Squeegee Hands at January 10, 2014 11:10 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Tom at January 10, 2014 11:10 AM (wBro8)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 10, 2014 11:10 AM (PYAXX)
Sigh. Posted by: akula51
Explain to me why the Government side of Obamacare needed all the data to create an 834 record? Why didn't the Government site just forward customers to the insurers own application functions with a hash value that represented their potential or verified subsidy level? And, why does the Government side have a payment function (in the future) at all?
Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2014 11:11 AM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 11:11 AM (aDwsi)
>>Proggs and Free Shitters in Indiana are doing the same thing. That scrunt from my quilt group says she's going to move to Kentucky just to sign up for the free welfare (she's lying, just like every progg who promised to move to Canada or France when Bush was re-elected lied...)
Kinda surreal; first time I've ever heard a progg use "Kentucky" as anything other than an epithet.
.
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.LOL. It is in the Editorial/Opinion section of those newspapers every friggin weekend. Make sure to sing up for your free $hit. Don't be like Indiana where they $hit on their people and wont give them free stuff.
I cant wait for the backlash in 2019 when the Feds stop the Medicaid reimbursement. It is going to be ugly. Time to go full up Hillbilly on somebody.
Posted by: Registered Voter at January 10, 2014 11:11 AM (nUbHY)
I want to shoot everyone making money off "Get a scooter at no cost to you!"
Posted by: HR at January 10, 2014 11:11 AM (ZKzrr)
>>99 And that's what the Boomers will be looking for: A nurse to come over and help them take a shower <<
If the nurse is hot, every guy is looking for that.
Posted by: MacGruber at January 10, 2014 11:11 AM (S+el1)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 10, 2014 11:11 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 10, 2014 11:12 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 10, 2014 11:12 AM (7ObY1)
What I don't understand is why the GOP isn't highlighting the real number...
[heheheh, yes, it's quite the scooby mystery, isn't it.
Let's suss it out, together, shall we? The possible explanations are as follows:
i. Republicans are simply ignorant of the facts.
ii. Republicans are afraid to come out against obamacare.
iii. Republicans do not want to come out against obamacare. ]
Well, shit. We really are fucked then, aren't we.
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 10, 2014 11:12 AM (Z9BWx)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 10, 2014 11:12 AM (/Crba)
Twice a day with the Galactic Platinum Plan.
Posted by: mrp at January 10, 2014 11:12 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: seems legit at January 10, 2014 11:12 AM (A98Xu)
And we've worked out all the kinks in promptly delivering freshly obtained black market Chinese organs!
Posted by: BitCare at January 10, 2014 11:13 AM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 10, 2014 11:13 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2014 11:13 AM (g4TxM)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 10, 2014 03:02 PM (DmNpO)
Gee, and it's late afternoon on a Friday. Whoda seen that coming?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 10, 2014 11:13 AM (4df7R)
And that's what the Boomers will be looking for: A nurse to come over and help them take a shower, etc. so they can keep living at home.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 10, 2014 03:08 PM (VjL9S)"
Yeah but my regime gets to take all your wealth for paybacks when you die. So you got that going for you.
You Welcome
Posted by: King Barky the Liar at January 10, 2014 11:13 AM (WGm5T)
Posted by: Kreplach at January 10, 2014 11:13 AM (HJcb1)
Posted by: Wil Wheaton at January 10, 2014 11:13 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Beagle at January 10, 2014 11:13 AM (lMukf)
There is a limit to the numbers of patients any physician can see in a week. By reducing complexity of individual encounters, "salami slicing" what should be one patient visit into multiple visits just lets them squeeze a few more pts into each work day.
The result is slightly higher reimbursement for the physicians, without significantly more workload. Its more of a negative for patients than primary care physicians (who are already largely overworked and underpaid).
The long term repercussion of this sort of thing are numerous, but to see the net effect, just look north to Canada (or anywhere else where physician reimbursement is controlled by the gov't instead of the free market). The Canadian gov't has a rule that if you're a physician and take one cent in reimbursement from outside the Canadian gov't healthcare system, you're barred (I think permanently) from participation in it again. So that's the extreme version of the measure "proposed" above where physicians are "required" to take some percentage of medicaid pts. . .in Canada the required percentage is 100%!
Ultimately, you just get longer wait times, and reduced quality of care. This sort of system also discourages the "best and brightest" from going into medicine to begin with, further degrading the medical system in ways that aren't easy to measure.
Posted by: looking closely at January 10, 2014 11:14 AM (6Q9g2)
This is a joke, right?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 10, 2014 11:14 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 10, 2014 11:14 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 10, 2014 03:11 PM (8ZskC)
Because no one was reading her posts due to the distractions.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 10, 2014 11:14 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 10, 2014 11:14 AM (qyfb5)
You'll still die cold and alone in the dark, but at least first, you'll have your "I told you sos" to whisper into the ears of your libtard neighbors as the light leaves their eyes and you start quartering their corpse for the cook fire.
*heart flutters* Oh, EoJ. You always know just what to say!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 10, 2014 11:14 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 10, 2014 11:14 AM (Z9BWx)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 11:15 AM (ksJYU)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 10, 2014 11:15 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 10, 2014 11:15 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 10, 2014 11:16 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2014 11:16 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: STTNG fans at January 10, 2014 11:16 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 11:16 AM (ksJYU)
Posted by: Wil Wheaton at January 10, 2014 03:13 PM (Aif/5)
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man.... I loved you on the Fresh Prince of Bel Aire......
Posted by: fixerupper at January 10, 2014 11:17 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2014 11:17 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 10, 2014 11:17 AM (Z9BWx)
Posted by: Plaintiff Pug at January 10, 2014 11:17 AM (Qev5V)
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Hell, that's what I'M looking for.
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You'll get a male nurse and he will be your required husband under the 28th Amendment.
but, the truth is, the Boomers are creating another growth market: Manipulating your income and assets to qualify for Medicaid but in reality keep everything.
And I intend to cash in helping them.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 10, 2014 11:17 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at January 10, 2014 11:18 AM (POpqt)
Obama walks into a bar and orders 50 shots of whiskey.
The bartender brings Obama two shots of whiskey.
Obama looks at the two shots and says , " I'll have one more to make it an even hundred"
Posted by: polynikes at January 10, 2014 11:18 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2014 11:18 AM (g4TxM)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2014 11:18 AM (CRyse)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2014 03:09 PM (CJjw5)
Here you go:
http://tinyurl.com/ljbwp8w
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2014 11:19 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 10, 2014 11:19 AM (LSJmV)
@125 This is the little-known side of Medicaid and the tsunami of the Baby Boomer demographic is just beginning. This will probably be the first big mathematical reality that starts the crumbling. Watch for it...
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Read an article the other day about the mess here in California. Apparently we've been granted a short reprieve. Governor Brown wants to start putting some of the extra money toward making a dent in the rather sizeable state debt. The Dems in the legislature, on the other hand...
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 11:19 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 10, 2014 11:20 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 10, 2014 11:20 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: John McCain and John Boehner at January 10, 2014 11:20 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 10, 2014 11:20 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 10, 2014 11:21 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at January 10, 2014 02:51 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Ted Cruz at January 10, 2014 11:21 AM (qiXMt)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 10, 2014 11:21 AM (PYAXX)
I only had collision insurance on it and the mean old insurance company wouldn't put it back in the box.
Posted by: King Barky the Liar at January 10, 2014 11:21 AM (WGm5T)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 10, 2014 11:22 AM (LSJmV)
Name one thing from my life prior to becoming president that wasn't political, tainted or manipulated.
I'll be waiting over here, working on my third autobiography.
.....
Kidding!!! I'm working on my short game with this fancy new putter Reggie gave me!
Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at January 10, 2014 11:22 AM (POpqt)
Posted by: Yacko at January 10, 2014 11:22 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2014 11:22 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 10, 2014 11:22 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: chili con carne at January 10, 2014 11:22 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Mr. Powerstroke Super Duty 4X4 King Ranch Edition at January 10, 2014 11:23 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 10, 2014 11:23 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Wil Wheaton at January 10, 2014 11:23 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2014 11:23 AM (g4TxM)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 10, 2014 11:24 AM (Z9BWx)
The Country Squire was the king of station wagons.
But Oldsmobile made the coolest station wagon with the Vista Whatchamacallit.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 11:24 AM (gYIst)
http://tinyurl.com/ljbwp8w
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2014 03:19 PM (QFxY5)
She has a certain way of leaning over a desk, doesn't she???
Posted by: Vortex Lovera at January 10, 2014 11:24 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 10, 2014 03:22 PM (LSJmV)
I have to say I like that Ford that's not quite a SW and not quite a SUV.
The Ford Edge.
Posted by: polynikes at January 10, 2014 11:24 AM (m2CN7)
Sign Observed at the entrance to Midtowne Park Mall.
Kohl's
Staples
Dicks
Anyone else see a problem here?
Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2014 11:24 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: King Barky the Liar
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you're gonna be a little surprised at how well we lawyers are a keeping money from the government.
Real lawyers, mind you, not shitheels like you that never had a real client and were only good at being a fucking gunner in law school.
Hint: Lady Bird Deed, bitch.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 10, 2014 11:24 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 10, 2014 11:24 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 11:24 AM (ksJYU)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2014 11:25 AM (CRyse)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: chili con carne at January 10, 2014 11:25 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 10, 2014 11:25 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 10, 2014 11:25 AM (qyfb5)
Does the message change THAT MUCH????
Posted by: fred zeppelin at January 10, 2014 11:26 AM (zL/eJ)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2014 11:26 AM (CRyse)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 10, 2014 11:26 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 03:19 PM (UWFpX)
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You can bow to me now .... or bow to me later.... but eventually everybody comes around to my way of doing things.
Posted by: MATH at January 10, 2014 11:26 AM (nELVU)
Great news about your sister!
Doctors can do amazing surgeries like that, and yet we have bozos in the White House and Congress who believe they actually know more about medicine than healthcare professionals (while making up shit on the fly, such as a tonsillectomy costing $50,000). Sad day in American history when Obamacare was foisted on us....
Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2014 11:26 AM (POpqt)
Such that if you say "hey doc, since the last time I came...XYZ" it may no longer qualify as a preventative care visit.
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This is absolutely correct, and there is no "may not" about it.
If you go in for a "preventative" or "routine" medical exam, that's all the doctor is going to do for you.
If you then ask about your gout/backache/whatever, they'll say "we can discuss your other problem, but then I have to bill this is as "sick visit" and your insurance may not [ie almost certainly WILL not] cover it. Do you want to do this?"
And don't blame the doctor here. Reimbursement for routine checkups barely covers their expenses. If they bill "sick" visits as routine ones, not only is that medical fraud (underbilling is fraud just as overbilling is), but they'll go broke.
Posted by: looking closely at January 10, 2014 11:27 AM (6Q9g2)
Hey how you doing?
//Moderate Bloggertariate Hemi Fans Local 957
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 11:27 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 10, 2014 11:27 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: The Man With The Plan at January 10, 2014 11:27 AM (CJjw5)
Loved that thing...
Posted by: Vortex Lovera at January 10, 2014 11:27 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 10, 2014 11:27 AM (GaqMa)
I've never been more pissed off than when I had a base appt line worker tell me I couldn't mention more than one problem to my doc/pa/nurse practitioner (I had no idea who I was assigned to) during an appointment. I asked if she was going to be in the room during my time slot. I told her good luck trying to enforce that.
Posted by: no good deed at January 10, 2014 11:27 AM (HsJeN)
Posted by: Giacomo at January 10, 2014 11:28 AM (mAA29)
@199Read an article the other day about the mess here in
California. Apparently we've been granted a short reprieve. Governor
Brown wants to start putting some of the extra money toward making a
dent in the rather sizeable state debt. The Dems in the legislature, on
the other hand...
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 03:19 PM (UWFpX)
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You can bow to me now .... or bow to me later.... but eventually everybody comes around to my way of doing things.
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The worst of it is that there are strong hints that even Brown's attacks on the debt won't be enough. The current numbers completely ignore the Public Employees Pension disaster that's about to hit.
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 11:28 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 11:28 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 10, 2014 11:28 AM (ZPrif)
My first car was a 1967 Fairlane Station Wagon.
We used to have drag races in the parking lot after work at Winn Dixie.
I was dubbed the Winn Dixie Grand Prix Champ.
I think it had a 289.
Posted by: polynikes at January 10, 2014 11:29 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 10, 2014 11:29 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2014 11:29 AM (g4TxM)
Posted by: RWC at January 10, 2014 11:29 AM (fWAjv)
196 Whom is effin' with the Title header (factor of 20), (factor of Ten)?
Does the message change THAT MUCH????]]
Ace got confused. It happens--rarely, mind you--but it happens.
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 10, 2014 11:29 AM (Z9BWx)
That's an analysis of the 1.9 million claimed "Obamacare Medicaid enrollees" in the figures he has; if you double that number (taking account of enrollees through the exchanges) you still only get about 380,000.
You said "anal".
Posted by: PizzaCatAbides at January 10, 2014 11:30 AM (fsLdt)
>>She has a certain way of leaning over a desk, doesn't she???
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.
.Honestly, I don't think she can do anything other than lean forward. Gravity and all.
Posted by: Registered Voter at January 10, 2014 11:30 AM (nUbHY)
http://tinyurl.com/o3a58v3
Lena Dunham Pillow Talk
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 11:30 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 10, 2014 11:30 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 10, 2014 11:30 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 10, 2014 11:31 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 10, 2014 11:31 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 10, 2014 11:31 AM (w6bnq)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 11:31 AM (ksJYU)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 11:32 AM (aDwsi)
YOU WILL LOVE ME BRANDON IN BR! YOU WILL!
//Lena Dunham Pillow Talk
yeah trust me I feel like I have stomach cysts now
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 11:32 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2014 11:33 AM (32Ze2)
Loved that thing...
Posted by: Vortex Lovera at January 10, 2014 03:27 PM (wtvvX)
My friend's mom had one. You could launch airstrikes from the roof.
Posted by: joncelli at January 10, 2014 11:33 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Hollywood Hunks, Male Models and Boy Bands[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 10, 2014 11:33 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at January 10, 2014 11:33 AM (8v/hq)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 10, 2014 11:33 AM (GaqMa)
O/T.... but....
Drudge has a story up about Lena Dunham's nudity on "Girls".
WTF wants to see that???? Ive never seen the show.... but..... Im visualizing Lena as a very young Helen Thomas.
Tell me Im wrong.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 10, 2014 11:33 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 10, 2014 11:34 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at January 10, 2014 11:35 AM (8v/hq)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 10, 2014 11:35 AM (Z9BWx)
My Q-Rating is off the chart in Walrus Island British Columbia!
//Lena Dunham PLay-Walrus' Tuskmate of the Year
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 11:35 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 11:35 AM (ksJYU)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2014 11:35 AM (CJjw5)
@234
O/T.... but....
Drudge has a story up about Lena Dunham's nudity on "Girls".
WTF wants to see that???? Ive never seen the show.... but..... Im visualizing Lena as a very young Helen Thomas.
Tell me Im wrong.
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Based on the headlines I saw, someone basically told her that she wasn't as pretty with her clothes off as she seems to think she is.
I could be mistaken, though. I have zero interest in either the show or her, and didn't bother to read the article.
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 11:35 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at January 10, 2014 11:36 AM (8v/hq)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 11:36 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Plaintiff Pug at January 10, 2014 11:36 AM (Qev5V)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2014 11:36 AM (CRyse)
Do you know why the "Girls" idiot is in the news? Because her show's new season just started and no one cares.
So she's "raising awareness" by picking bullshit salacious fights with phantom villains.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 11:36 AM (gYIst)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 10, 2014 11:37 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 10, 2014 11:37 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 11:37 AM (aDwsi)
Lefties just don't understand that you cannot ignore/re-wire human nature and basic biology. Robert Stacy McCain nailed Dunham's personality a while back:
"If you know someone like Lena Dunham, you understand what she’s doing: “I’m fat and ugly and unpopular, but maybe if I add ‘cruel’ and ‘obnoxious’ to the list, I can pretend like people who don’t like me are intimidated by my intelligence and courage.”
This isn’t really an effective compensation, but it provides her an excuse — a rationalization, a defense mechanism — she can alternately cling to as a crutch or wield as a weapon, harming others without actually helping herself. ..."
Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2014 11:37 AM (POpqt)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 10, 2014 11:38 AM (qyfb5)
Is PIF technically rape? Lena may be the exception to every natural law but it would still be good to know.
Posted by: Fritz at January 10, 2014 11:38 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 11:38 AM (ksJYU)
Posted by: Peter Paul Reubens at January 10, 2014 11:38 AM (HsJeN)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 10, 2014 11:39 AM (GaqMa)
This is going to sound cruel, but I don't mean it to be I am making a point...
I had a nice young lady worked in my shop up in Indiana doing interior work at the yard. She looked a lot like Lena Dunham and weighed maybe 135 pounds. She lost about 145 pounds between the age of 19 and 23.
I guess saying she looks like her is a little misleading she had dark brown hair worn in a traditional conservative Indiana hair style.
Thing is she was not under the impression she was a sex symbol.
Which is the right judgement call, Lena honey work on the writing God you mom and dad and your environment just said "no."
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 11:39 AM (TE35l)
I'd comment on the topic, but the problem is that none of the numbers are real - the claims of the administration, or anything else. It's all shit. No one knows for sure because there is very little good data in the system at all.
Everything has a caveat.
And therefore, it won't be terribly interesting until shit starts to burn.
Posted by: grognard at January 10, 2014 11:39 AM (/29Nl)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 11:39 AM (aDwsi)
@247You see, the funny thing is, I never thought Dunham was ugly. If it wasn't for the shrieking harpy act, I see no reason I wouldn't hit that.
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imo, her stills tend to look okay. Not hot, but still okay. I've seen video with her once or twice, though, and imo she looks worse in that.
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 11:40 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Wil Wheaton at January 10, 2014 11:40 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 10, 2014 11:40 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 10, 2014 11:40 AM (0cMkb)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2014 11:40 AM (CJjw5)
Her act wears me out, and she really does remind me of one of my techs.
Y'all be safe.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 11:41 AM (TE35l)
@248 I thought they said "why do you always take your clothes off? I know why Game of thrones has naked people on it, they're hot, why you?"
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It amounts to about the same thing - "You're not doing us any favors when you take your clothes off on your TV show."
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 11:41 AM (UWFpX)
Obama will give a speech (wait, where's everyone going??) on how he plans to reform spying practices.
I, for one, look forward to hearing the President's reassuring words.
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 10, 2014 11:43 AM (Z9BWx)
She is the quintessential 5.
Posted by: PizzaCatAbides at January 10, 2014 03:41 PM (fsLdt)
Without the attitude she would only require two beers. With attitude, a couple pitchers.
Posted by: joncelli at January 10, 2014 11:43 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 11:43 AM (ksJYU)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2014 11:43 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Fritz at January 10, 2014 11:43 AM (UzPAd)
Right, and 6 times the number of people watch Duck Dynasty reruns as her pap.
Not calling out Ace but over at Tepid some idiot pundit was arguing that conservatives have a duty to win Girls and embrace its hidden conservative message.
Uh "yeah" look showing her looking winsome when she goes back to her spawning pool on the show is just shadowing and contrast champ it is not a compelling argument she and her views are fucking retarded.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 11:43 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 10, 2014 11:44 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2014 11:44 AM (CJjw5)
By the time I had a thick enough lens in my beer goggles, Mr. Winky wouldn't work with a good looking woman.
Posted by: Jukin at January 10, 2014 11:45 AM (WGm5T)
OK, so we're crazy for not wanting to see you nude. Got it.
Or, you know, we could just not watch her show (or even not subscribe to HBO - my choice on the matter).
Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2014 11:45 AM (POpqt)
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 10, 2014 11:45 AM (w6bnq)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 11:46 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 10, 2014 11:46 AM (qyfb5)
Correct, she is actually the proof of the Mewissa Hawiss-Pewwy effect.
MHP is cute enough she is ~7.-8.5 range but her demeanor and carriage is repelling.
Lena is just as gauche and uncompelling and slightly below-slightly above "average"...
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 11:46 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 10, 2014 11:47 AM (ZPrif)
There is, it is why he likes the Robert Downey jr. Sherlock Holmes in part.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 11:47 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 10, 2014 11:47 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2014 11:48 AM (CJjw5)
@256 I had a nice young lady worked in my shop up in Indiana doing interior work at the yard. She looked a lot like Lena Dunham and weighed maybe 135 pounds. She lost about 145 pounds between the age of 19 and 23.
I guess saying she looks like her is a little misleading she had dark brown hair worn in a traditional conservative Indiana hair style
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Like I said in another post, Dunham's stills look a lot better than video of her does. I was actually kind of surprised when I finally saw a video of her at how bad I thought it made her look in comparison to her stills. I suspect that there's some very careful positioning in relation to the camera going on, in addition to the usual photoshop fun.
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 11:48 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 10, 2014 11:48 AM (GaqMa)
You're a hard charger Jeff...
There are mountains it takes grit, true grit to tackle eh?
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 11:49 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 10, 2014 11:50 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 10, 2014 11:50 AM (ZPrif)
Pants Crease Analyst Davis Brooks tries redefining Capitalism and Conservatism
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 11:52 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 10, 2014 11:52 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Nia Vardatos at January 10, 2014 11:56 AM (DrC22)
Of course, it also helps to keep in mind that this is the same woman who released an ad comparing voting for Obama to losing your virginity.
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 11:56 AM (UWFpX)
And that's what the Boomers will be looking for: A nurse to come over and help them take a shower, etc. so they can keep living at home.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 10, 2014 03:08 PM (VjL9S)
There is a difference between Medicaid and Medicare. I have pointed this out several times. In Medicaid the state can seize all of your assets to pay for your medical treatment. Things like your house, car, cash, stocks and bonds 401Ks - basically anything you own beyond the clothes on your back. Medicaid is not a free meal - it is intended only for people who are so desperately poor as to have no assets to seize. Anyone who believes that it will do what you say is in for a rude awakening.
Signing up for Medicaid is a last ditch desperation Hail Mary. That 60 million people are on Medicaid is appalling.
Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at January 10, 2014 12:02 PM (ylhEn)
to be fair it was her first boner and ejaculation
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 12:03 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 10, 2014 12:06 PM (w6bnq)
Beer bellies were considered "hot" in the 16th century.
Posted by: HR at January 10, 2014 12:12 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Aviator at January 10, 2014 12:16 PM (DI+ja)
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