May 02, 2014

Secondary Boycott: Now Man Is Fired Not For What He Said, But For Saying Someone Else Had the Right to Say What He Said
— Ace

Wow.

via @charlescwcooke.


LET'S PURGE ALL THE THINGS

Caveat: I just saw this on Twitter and I honestly don't know if this is real. It didn't occur to me to check. I'll check now.

Well, seems sort of real:


Yeah, it seems real.


Posted by: Ace at 02:54 PM | Comments (495)
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1 Wow.

Posted by: Osoloco at May 02, 2014 02:56 PM (vQAJD)

2 Can we start with these facists?

Posted by: Thunderb at May 02, 2014 02:56 PM (zOTsN)

3 Defense of Liberty is a capitol offense now.

Posted by: Mr. Wizard at May 02, 2014 02:56 PM (gmrH5)

4 Freedom of Speech. Just watch what you say.

Posted by: RWC at May 02, 2014 02:56 PM (QeH9j)

5 But you didn't support the revolution loudly enough, comrade.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 02, 2014 02:56 PM (8ZskC)

6 1st Amendment now Hate Crime

Posted by: Thunderb at May 02, 2014 02:57 PM (zOTsN)

7 Pussy business is the new normal.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at May 02, 2014 02:57 PM (eAJwE)

8 Um.....

Posted by: eman at May 02, 2014 02:57 PM (nGVcJ)

9 Glad I'm self employed. Would be damn stupid to fire meself for all the horrible UngoodThoughts that run through my head on a daily basis.

Posted by: jakeman at May 02, 2014 02:57 PM (vH4YP)

10 I don't know how all of this is going to end, but I'm thinking "catastrophically not well" will be the words used to describe it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 02, 2014 02:58 PM (oFCZn)

11 Yep. Screw turtlerock.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 02:58 PM (uhAkr)

12

More fake outrage, great.

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 02, 2014 02:58 PM (nTgAI)

13 I saw it yesterday. Looked real to me. The guy even called out Sterling as a bigot in explicit terms.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 02, 2014 02:58 PM (T0NGe)

14 Ace linking American Renaissance?? secret white supremacist omg

Posted by: JR at May 02, 2014 02:58 PM (R0g4C)

15 5 But you didn't support the revolution loudly enough, comrade. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 02, 2014 06:56 PM (8ZskC) Serious you guys I've been clapping for almost 10 full minutes and I've got to stop. I still haven't fapped today.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 02, 2014 02:59 PM (oFCZn)

16 Whatever happened to Andrew Dice Clay? His shtick should be making a comeback.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at May 02, 2014 02:59 PM (eAJwE)

17 Damn, dude!

Posted by: Voltaire at May 02, 2014 02:59 PM (T0NGe)

18 Constitution on banned book list

Posted by: Thunderb at May 02, 2014 02:59 PM (zOTsN)

19 It's real. GOOGLE IT!

Posted by: jakeman at May 02, 2014 03:00 PM (vH4YP)

20 FOR GOD'S SAKE, MAN!  DON'T QUOTE THE FOUNDING FATHERS!!!!!

Posted by: Sharkman at May 02, 2014 03:00 PM (kPZNC)

21 What games dies that shit company make?So I can avoid them.

Posted by: steevy at May 02, 2014 03:00 PM (zqvg6)

22 Soviet America.

Posted by: real joe at May 02, 2014 03:00 PM (xXhgd)

23 And the culture wars continue to escalate.  What a farce this country has become.

Posted by: Truth or Consequences at May 02, 2014 03:00 PM (zqXkX)

24 Raptors-Nets and Rangers Penguins starting at same time, then Wild-Blackhawks later. Another packed sports night!

Posted by: logprof at May 02, 2014 03:00 PM (GW/jL)

25 FOR GOD'S SAKE, MAN! DON'T QUOTE THE FOUNDING FATHERS!!!!! Damn straight.

Posted by: Winston Churchill at May 02, 2014 03:01 PM (T0NGe)

26 Anyone else hear the ex-Russian call into Rush yesterday, talking about the backlash when he was an elementary schoolkid and had the temerity to question Stalin...in the 1980s? We've got a long road ahead, CoMoronRads.

Posted by: jakeman at May 02, 2014 03:01 PM (vH4YP)

27

Freedom of Speech?

 

Dude, that was like 20 years ago.

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2014 03:02 PM (l/M30)

28 If I denounce myself can I collect my reward and spend it on me?

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 02, 2014 03:02 PM (W7zKe)

29 So... thirsty...

Posted by: Tree of Liberty at May 02, 2014 03:02 PM (xXhgd)

30 Political correctness, may it ever be right, but right or wrong, political correctness.

Posted by: Stuff Commodor Steven Decatur Fucking Didn't Say at May 02, 2014 03:02 PM (eAJwE)

31 And we are surprised by this how........

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at May 02, 2014 03:02 PM (jucos)

32

Hmm...

 

Apparently Turtle Rock did Left 4 Dead and...  um...  Left 4 Dead.

 

They've got a new game coming out supposedly later this year called Evolve that afaik no one knows anything about (the name was revealed because publishing rights went up for auction when THQ went bankrupt).

 

Color me unimpressed.

 

Sucks about the guy they fired though.

 

Posted by: junior at May 02, 2014 03:02 PM (UWFpX)

33 Welcome to the USSA. You knew this was coming, right?

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 02, 2014 03:02 PM (bb5+k)

34 This post needs a cute emergency. The buckle up baby baby: http://tinyurl.com/nzjn384 Fanatical 2-year-old Penguins fan. Ultra cute.

Posted by: Winston Churchill at May 02, 2014 03:03 PM (T0NGe)

35 Every job I ever worked was 'at will' meaning I could quit at any moment, or be fired for any reason or for no reason. I won't work any other way. There is no way I could work under contract at any place where I was hated, or where I hated to be. Life is too short.

Posted by: Maximillius Fail at May 02, 2014 03:03 PM (NU4/6)

36 And once again, logprof drags me off the edge of the abyss. Epic game last night, though the result wasn't what I was hoping for.

Posted by: jakeman at May 02, 2014 03:03 PM (vH4YP)

37 I saw this earlier this morning. As I said , Reason Number 422 for why I dropped out of TweetWorld.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2014 03:03 PM (oMKp3)

38 Nice job ya got there...

Posted by: huerfano at May 02, 2014 03:04 PM (bAGA/)

39 You have every right to say what you want to say and I will defend your right to do so...... as long as it falls in line 100% with my orthodoxy.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Infused with Leftist Logic at May 02, 2014 03:04 PM (jucos)

40 I hope everybody had a chance to see that post I did on the Sterling comments and his wife violating the electronic privacy act in recording his comments and releasing them.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 02, 2014 03:04 PM (T2V/1)

41 Support freedom of speech or we will cut your tongue out!

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 02, 2014 03:05 PM (W7zKe)

42

Turtle Rock Studios is a game studio known for work on Left 4 Dead and Counterstrike.  They have a game called Wild they're banking on.

 

I have no idea why they're sacking their "Community Manager" for recognizing the true meaning of the First Amendment. 

Posted by: bonhomme at May 02, 2014 03:05 PM (hG51H)

43 You have every right to say what you want to say and I will defend your right to do so...... as long as it falls in line 100% with my orthodoxy. Too long for a tat, but I like where you're going with this, TM.

Posted by: jakeman at May 02, 2014 03:05 PM (vH4YP)

44 And here I was thinking that all the crazy shit in the Middle East, Russia's resurgence in taking over it's neighbors, global economic fallacies and collapse, China becoming the world's largest economy, Iraq and Korea with nukes, unsustainable population growth vs. defaulting entitlements, and a guy who's never had a real job in is life as POTUS would be what brought about the end times. Alas... it's Twitter that will bring down the world. Go figure.

Posted by: Damiano at May 02, 2014 03:05 PM (j0wOO)

45 No way this shit lasts. There has to be a lawyer somewhere that can make some cash fighting it.

Posted by: J. Chevers Loophole at May 02, 2014 03:05 PM (ahBY0)

46 so even intimating someone has a right /free speech even if not agreed with is now fire-able? you know what ,Fk them. They have become insane. And Un American

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2014 03:05 PM (nqBYe)

47 My kids just got into games.  They'll never be allowed to buy a game form these fascists.  I think I'll chat up the guys where they buy games about Turtle Rock being run by fascists.

Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2014 03:06 PM (MNq6o)

48 We'll get right on this. Damn straight, we will.

Posted by: The ACLU at May 02, 2014 03:06 PM (eAJwE)

49 7:05 pm Getting a 404 error on the first link.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at May 02, 2014 03:06 PM (j1NwQ)

50 Speaking of North Korea, oh wait this post is about America? Well anyway, what's up with the fires there? Free speech advocates being burned at the stake?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 02, 2014 03:06 PM (+0txR)

51 Hush hush, keep it down now

Posted by: Til Tuesday at May 02, 2014 03:07 PM (vH4YP)

52 Looks like Turtle Cock has a grand total of one game that they started, Left 4 Dead. Got bought out by Valve before L4D was launched. They've also done some bits and pieces of development work on other games. I'd say they need to worry more about their core business.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 02, 2014 03:07 PM (TIIx5)

53 'Wow' links returns 404 error. (Already?)

Posted by: Maximillius Fail at May 02, 2014 03:07 PM (NU4/6)

54 fine i take issue with Pelosi, Reid , and much of this administration for Insulting My Kind daily. This is a fire-able offense, and I want them fired!

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2014 03:07 PM (nqBYe)

55 Is CA a right to work/fire State?

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 02, 2014 03:08 PM (T2V/1)

56 and everyone on MSNutsBC

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2014 03:08 PM (nqBYe)

57 Heads up, you RWNJs. Founding Founders. Quit with the "Founding Fathers" rayciss hate speech.

Posted by: Osoloco at May 02, 2014 03:08 PM (vQAJD)

58

Speaking of..."Purge".

 

They're coming out with second movie about 'The Purge'.

 

The first one kind of sucked, so of course, they have to make a second one.

With new and improved gonzo carnage.

 

Although, the idea of being able to legally go out and commit mass murder for One Day A Year...is a rather intriguing idea.

 

I'm thinking that Washington, DC would probably be Ground Zero.

 

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2014 03:08 PM (l/M30)

59 HTML alert, we've got a stray quote mark in el linko de "Wow".

Posted by: jakeman at May 02, 2014 03:08 PM (vH4YP)

60 and fkn Kerry for saying Israel is almost an apartheid state!

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2014 03:08 PM (nqBYe)

61 Saying UnPC Things? That's a mortaring...

Posted by: Kim Junk Uno at May 02, 2014 03:08 PM (W7zKe)

62 and those freaks that call people like me Breeders!

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2014 03:09 PM (nqBYe)

63 Does the Penguins' anthem singer always sing it country style?

Posted by: logprof at May 02, 2014 03:09 PM (GW/jL)

64 right to work generally means you don't have to join the union to work at a union shop. 'at will' generally means you work without a contract.

Posted by: Maximillius Fail at May 02, 2014 03:09 PM (NU4/6)

65 Could thing he didn't reference Winston Churchill in his hate-tweet.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 02, 2014 03:09 PM (5UteM)

66 Ace: The "Wow" link is 404. Looks like you have a dangling quotation mark on the end of it that is munging things up.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 02, 2014 03:10 PM (IN7k+)

67 It's probably too late to erase my bookmarks at work and replace with Kos and HuffPo. And I'm pretty sure I can't delete search history...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at May 02, 2014 03:10 PM (4DCSq)

68 If Donald Sterling was a Democrat we'd be lectured right about now about how a geriatric senior with possibly 'chemo brain' as a result of his cancer should be brushed aside and forgotten. Also whoever tape recorded him was as bad as Linda Tripp. Occasionally forgive, but never forget.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at May 02, 2014 03:10 PM (j1NwQ)

69 srsly, this is so disgusting, i cannot imagine how fast we slid into insanity.

Posted by: willow at May 02, 2014 03:11 PM (nqBYe)

70 FYI: The 'wow' link comes from the American Renaissance website. It's a white supremacist front headed by Jared Taylor.  My advice? Don't give the guy any traffic.

Posted by: troyriser at May 02, 2014 03:11 PM (gNlvW)

71 65 right to work generally means you don't have to join the union to work at a union shop.

'at will' generally means you work without a contract.

Posted by: Maximillius Fail at May 02, 2014 07:09 PM (NU4/6)


It means you can also be fired for any reason that does not violate federal law (i.e. discrimination against blacks)

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 02, 2014 03:11 PM (T2V/1)

72 Posted by: Spun and Murky at May 02, 2014 07:10 PM (4DCSq) Have no fear. We got ya covered.

Posted by: NSA at May 02, 2014 03:11 PM (vH4YP)

73 Well, the left has been unashamedly heading for full blown commiedom for a while. Remember, the commies were very good at not only executing people but purging all traces of them from public memory. Even when the archives were briefly open in the 90s before fuckface Putin shut them, traces of many historical figures and their families could not be found.

Posted by: Sir Pug A Lott at May 02, 2014 03:11 PM (8c12T)

74 Vic, I didn't catch your post but I have a feeling that what you posted is how I feel about all that shit. I understand Sterling is suing for 1.7 billion.Good for him.

Posted by: J. Chevers Loophole at May 02, 2014 03:12 PM (ahBY0)

75 I thought Donald Sterling is a Democrat? By the way the Daily Mail has some interesting (well weird) articles on his mistress, V.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 02, 2014 03:12 PM (+0txR)

76 I feel like we are like a big star running out of fusion-able material in its core. More mass falls in, it gets hotter and hotter, the material fuses faster making heavier elements... ...until the reaction becomes endothermic, and cools off in a hurry. Foop.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 02, 2014 03:12 PM (gdYzK)

77 @FilmLadd pointed out that the company photo is a little...monochromatic. Also very male, but I guess that's normal for a tech company. Thing is, not a lot of Asians for a tech company.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 02, 2014 03:12 PM (T0NGe)

78 We beat this to death on the the previous discussions.  The 1st amendment does not apply to private companies.  It applies to the government.  There is no "freedom of speech" in a private company.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 02, 2014 03:12 PM (T2V/1)

79 "Wow" link now working, apparently they took it down as they updated it.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at May 02, 2014 03:12 PM (j1NwQ)

80 >>>FYI: The 'wow' link comes from the American Renaissance website.It's a white supremacist front headed by Jared Taylor. My advice? Don't give the guy any traffic. i changed it to a new one. Then that one balked, so I changed it again.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2014 03:12 PM (/FnUH)

81 Hey, lawyer types, does he have a shot at suing the company.

Posted by: Seems legit at May 02, 2014 03:13 PM (A98Xu)

82

76...I understand Sterling is suing for 1.7 billion. Good for him.

 

He is? ...Who is Sterling suing?

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2014 03:13 PM (l/M30)

83 Related David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 2m In summary: if the DOJ thinks your legal business is unsavory, they can arbitrarily fine any bank that gives you an account.

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at May 02, 2014 03:13 PM (ZPrif)

84 I am prejudiced against idiots. And lying politicians. I don't hate them, you see. Not yet. Wouldn't be Christian. It was the Christian part that got me, wasn't it?

Posted by: Erowmero at May 02, 2014 03:14 PM (go5uR)

85 76 Vic, I didn't catch your post but I have a feeling that what you posted is how I feel about all that shit. I understand Sterling is suing for 1.7 billion.Good for him.

Posted by: J. Chevers Loophole at May 02, 2014 07:12 PM (ahBY0)


Here it is


CNN asks if it was legal to record and release Sterling's rant.  They discuss State law but fail to mention it was also a violation of federal law, namely the electronic communications privacy act (18 U.S. Code § 2511).   There are no provisions under the act for federal punishment, however he can seek damages from his ex-wife.  If he has to fight the NBA in court she will be liable for all the costs, including the cost of the team if he loses it.  



I hope she is aware of the shit storm she has made herself liable for. And CNN should do a little research before they publish shit.   And speaking of CNN and other news services who are publishing her crap, perhaps they should talk to their lawyers as well. They are not exempt from this law.


http://tinyurl.com/pddtlaj


Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 02, 2014 03:14 PM (T2V/1)

86 Taxpayers lost $11.2 billion on the GM bailout, up from $10.3 billion the Treasury Department estimated when it sold its last GM shares on Dec. 9.

Posted by: Emmett Fitz-Hume at May 02, 2014 03:14 PM (e8kgV)

87

Sterling *is* a Democrat.

You think the NAACP would ever give an award to a Republican?

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2014 03:15 PM (l/M30)

88 Iowahawk is referring to porn stars who have had their bank accounts shut down by the banks via pressure from the DOJ. Do I have that right? The DOJ? Because that sounds insane. And horrendously anti-American.

Posted by: Seems legit at May 02, 2014 03:15 PM (A98Xu)

89 @charlescwcooke linked to AmRen, pretty sure that's a Thought Crime right there. Pretty sure anyone who's aware AmRen exists should be barred from having a job or owning property.

Posted by: Fight the Power at May 02, 2014 03:16 PM (ZPrif)

90 @charlescwcooke linked to AmRen, pretty sure that's a Thought Crime right there. Pretty sure anyone who's aware AmRen exists should be barred from having a job or owning property.

Posted by: Fight the Power at May 02, 2014 07:16 PM (ZPrif)

 

You a fan?

Posted by: troyriser at May 02, 2014 03:16 PM (gNlvW)

91 Eh, I just asked my Catholic father a potentially rude but direct question. "Why do Catholics pray to saints or more specifically ask for Mary, Mother of God for intercession?" He was direct and funny. "It's His Mom."

Posted by: Deety at May 02, 2014 03:16 PM (OhDor)

92 We beat this to death on the the previous discussions. The 1st amendment does not apply to private companies. It applies to the government. There is no "freedom of speech" in a private company. Does it not give you pause, however, that this guy could get canned for expressing an opinion on his own twitter feed, while explicitly saying he did not support Sterling, and while not acting in official capacity? Sure, the company is within their rights.

Posted by: jakeman at May 02, 2014 03:17 PM (vH4YP)

93 wheatie...the league?...no clue who but it'll be interesting to see how the owners vote.

Posted by: J. Chevers Loophole at May 02, 2014 03:17 PM (ahBY0)

94 Good thing I'm already dead, huh? Nevermind. I was a Democrat. Please continue naming buildings after me.

Posted by: Roberty Byrd, Hero of the Senate and KKK Kleegle at May 02, 2014 03:17 PM (j0wOO)

95 Is CA a right to work/fire State?
Posted by: Vic

I hope he sues the ever loving shit out of them.

Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2014 03:17 PM (MNq6o)

96 Comments over at polygon are pretty chilling.

Posted by: RWC at May 02, 2014 03:17 PM (QeH9j)

97 Relax, fellow rayciss wingnuts.  I'm sure this will all end well.

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at May 02, 2014 03:17 PM (mMkoO)

98

Companies that operate in "at will" states can fire for any reason they'd like.  He could bring an action, but he would not succeed.  The First Amendment only applies to Governments infringement on someone's free speech.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Infused with Leftist Logic at May 02, 2014 03:18 PM (jucos)

99 The comments made by our former community manager stand in stark contrast to our values as a game development studio. ***** The actions of your company stand in stark contrast to our values as The United States of America.

Posted by: Mr. Wizard at May 02, 2014 03:18 PM (gmrH5)

100 Rangers GOAL! 1-0 over the Pens

Posted by: logprof at May 02, 2014 03:18 PM (GW/jL)

101 80 We beat this to death on the the previous discussions. The 1st amendment does not apply to private companies. It applies to the government. There is no "freedom of speech" in a private company. The principle of freedom of speech is more than the law. And if people want to be fascist punks, I have the right to call them that.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 03:19 PM (uhAkr)

102 Iowahawk is referring to porn stars who have had their bank accounts shut down by the banks via pressure from the DOJ. I remember the Edwin Meese days and the shit-fits the left had. If true, shutting down porn star bank accounts is 10X worse then anything he ever did. All he ever did was chair a commission that found porn harmful.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at May 02, 2014 03:19 PM (j1NwQ)

103 98 Comments over at polygon are pretty chilling. Comments here are chilling.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 03:19 PM (uhAkr)

104 I'd say unbelievable, except that it's too believable. I'll say this now... I refuse to buckle under when it comes to free speech. I refuse to accept the "rule" that you can say anything you like just so long as it's not BAD. I absolutely refuse to buckle to pressure to publicly condemn and attempt to silence offenders. There is a higher principle at stake here.

Posted by: Synova at May 02, 2014 03:20 PM (7/PU+)

105 Huh, okay, "at will" means they have a right to fire him for any reason. I guess you need to know your companies fine print.

Posted by: Seems legit at May 02, 2014 03:20 PM (A98Xu)

106 88 Taxpayers lost $11.2 billion on the GM bailout, up from $10.3 billion the Treasury Department estimated when it sold its last GM shares on Dec. 9. Posted by: Emmett Fitz-Hume at May 02, 2014 07:14 PM (e8kgV) Naaaaa... We made a gazillion dollar profit and saved or created eleventh gazillion jobs! Here, let me get my Common Core math book and I will show you.

Posted by: Barack Obama, Math Genius at May 02, 2014 03:20 PM (j0wOO)

107 94  Does it not give you pause, however, that this guy could get canned for expressing an opinion on his own twitter feed, while explicitly saying he did not support Sterling, and while not acting in official capacity? Sure, the company is within their rights.

Posted by: jakeman at May 02, 2014 07:17 PM (vH4YP)


I think the company is shitty as hell for this kind of shit.  I could see them firing him if he did some statement trashing the company itself but not this,



But what I have found in my lifetime is that companies who do this kind of shit to their employees don't last long.  The other employees start bailing at first job opportunity and nobody will hire on.   Word does get around.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 02, 2014 03:20 PM (T2V/1)

108 I ain't noways tarred...

Posted by: Hillary! at May 02, 2014 03:20 PM (eAJwE)

109 Like deja-vu all over again.

Posted by: Marc-Andre Fleury at May 02, 2014 03:21 PM (Q2bPn)

110 Getting fired for shooting your mouth off in public generally is a symptom of something more than just loose lips. A valued employee who loved his job would get a warning first, and would probably shut up. A disgruntled employee would not.

Posted by: Maximillius Fail at May 02, 2014 03:21 PM (NU4/6)

111 That's one magic luggie.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 02, 2014 03:21 PM (LWu6U)

112 97  I hope he sues the ever loving shit out of them.

Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2014 07:17 PM (MNq6o)\



\He doesn't have a cause of action unless his firing violated a contract.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 02, 2014 03:21 PM (T2V/1)

113 You guys can totally surrender on gay marriage and all and not expect it to be considered analogous to race. Totally I swearsies. Thanks ace for being a coward and surrendering on gay marriage. You've joined a long list of other people too cowardly to stand up for what is right. This is not going to stop with gay marriage obviously. This will extend to everything the left decides to vilify us about, because these things happen due to only one side being willing to boycott. Surrendering to these things is not surrendering on any one issue it is surrendering to a tactic. And the tactic can and will be used against us on every issue powerful leftist organizations decide to push.

Posted by: Evan Dickinson at May 02, 2014 03:21 PM (ZEvLv)

114 Hmm, free speech. How does it work? Again, my mind is drawn to a guitar player from Michigan.

Posted by: dogfish at May 02, 2014 03:21 PM (nsOJa)

115 The actions of your company stand in stark contrast to our values as The United States of America. Posted by: Mr. Wizard at May 02, 2014 07:18 PM (gmrH5) Not anymore. Dude, those values were over, like, 100 years ago.

Posted by: 52% of the American Public Who Voted for SCOAMT at May 02, 2014 03:22 PM (j0wOO)

116 Hey Turtle Rock. I was looking forward to playing your multiplayer vs. title Evolve this fall. Was. Not am. Ya blew it.

Posted by: Cackfinger at May 02, 2014 03:22 PM (BR5kP)

117 Where's the crapper? Ahv got a turtlerock poking out!

Posted by: Fat Bastard at May 02, 2014 03:22 PM (Fp7JI)

118 112 Getting fired for shooting your mouth off in public generally is a symptom of something more than just loose lips. Advocating free speech in private is not shooting your mouth off. If this happened in China, we'd be tut-tutting their authoritarian ways.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 03:23 PM (uhAkr)

119 Another victim in Pasadena. Health director Eric Walsh offended the gays...and you know the rest.

Posted by: pj at May 02, 2014 03:23 PM (ZWaLo)

120 >> 104 Iowahawk is referring to porn stars who have had their bank accounts shut down by the banks via pressure from the DOJ. >> I remember the Edwin Meese days and the shit-fits the left had. If true, shutting down porn star bank accounts is 10X worse then anything he ever did. All he ever did was chair a commission that found porn harmful. And don't forget tipper Gore banning records. Fascism is always descending on the Right, and landing on the Left.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 02, 2014 03:23 PM (LWu6U)

121 When will we have our special google that restricts search results?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 03:23 PM (uhAkr)

122 So, when does John Kerry get shitcanned for telling the Jews to quit bringing Arabs into the skybox?

Posted by: BuddyPC at May 02, 2014 03:23 PM (jfUIE)

123 Any of you who are mad at this, note: you're opinion is irrelevant unless it carries some force. Now we have to boycott this company. When one side declares a war refusing to fight only means you surrender. And they dictate the terms. When they rule you like they are ruling us they will dictate ever more absurd terms that we will be required to accept.

Posted by: Evan Dickinson at May 02, 2014 03:23 PM (ZEvLv)

124 I didn't get a harumph outta that guy!

Posted by: William J. Le Petomane at May 02, 2014 03:23 PM (Ph479)

125 "Apparently Turtle Rock did Left 4 Dead and... um... Left 4 Dead."


Oh, this explains it.  They did a game about Benghazi, and they are smarting from the Colo-Rectal Pounding the IRS gave them.  This is just a little back-lash thingy.  Nothing to worry about.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 02, 2014 03:24 PM (kPZNC)

126 Look at Turtle Rock's twitter page company photo.

74 employees.

2 are black.

Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2014 03:25 PM (MNq6o)

127 As ridiculous as this is, I'd rather have this kind of shit happen occasionally then more government regulations on when and how employers can fire someone.

Posted by: Damiano at May 02, 2014 03:25 PM (j0wOO)

128 Time to close it out for the night.  See ya'll tomorrow.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 02, 2014 03:25 PM (T2V/1)

129

Wouldn't a company have to 'expressly set forth' the things that are fire-able offenses?

 

Like:

"These are OUR VALUES"

-- and then list them.

 

And if they don't do that...then how does an employee know what their 'Values' are?

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2014 03:25 PM (l/M30)

130 If we don't get feisty over the porn bank accounts, which is legal and regulated, can't the DOJ put pressure on bank accounts of gun dealers?*Then of course, gun owners. David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 10m If the DOJ can threaten to fine banks for giving accounts to porn stars, you can be certain gun dealers are next. just tweeted this statement

Posted by: Seems legit at May 02, 2014 03:26 PM (A98Xu)

131 Strangely though, I still support the ability of this fucktard company to make employment decisions for any or no reasons. This is the essence of at-will employment.
 
And if the unions were smart, they'd start promising that they include protection against firing for freedom of speech issues and include that bennie in any workers contract negotiations.
 
And if it is any comfort, the fired guy will certainly be eligible to draw unemployment pay as there is no way they can defend his firing as 'for cause' to a Labor Board.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 02, 2014 03:26 PM (cHZB7)

132 Now we have to boycott this company I hated left4dead so I wasn't going to buy anything they sold anyway. The neckbeard atheist twat who wears a fedora is their target audience. He's standing and applauding right now.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 03:26 PM (uhAkr)

133 The tiny totalitarians are really feeling their oats under the SCoaMF. I'm just about ready to burn the place to the ground.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2014 03:26 PM (QupBk)

134 Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 07:23 PM (uhAkr) Good point, thank you.

Posted by: Maximillius Fail at May 02, 2014 03:27 PM (NU4/6)

135 123 Fascism is always descending on the Right, and landing on the Left. Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 02, 2014 07:23 PM (LWu6U) Mostly because dictionary-definition Fascism is a left-wing conceit....

Posted by: BuddyPC at May 02, 2014 03:27 PM (jfUIE)

136 Clearly, we didn't heed Queensryche's warning.

Posted by: garrett at May 02, 2014 03:27 PM (FjkJr)

137 "The principle of freedom of speech is more than the law. And if people want to be fascist punks, I have the right to call them that." This. Also, equating "the law" with the sum total of morality is the action of a *statist* fascist punk. So there.

Posted by: Synova at May 02, 2014 03:28 PM (7/PU+)

138 "In a savage world of man vs nature, are you the hunter or the hunted? The creators of Left 4 Dead, Turtle Rock Studios, bring you Evolve, the next generation of cooperative & competitive multiplayer shooters where four hunters faceoff against a single, evolving player-controlled monster. Stalk your prey, execute your attack and prove you are the apex predator in adrenaline-pumping 4v1 matches." Yeah I can see how telling your whore not to pose with Magic Johnson could frustrate that whole tantric.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at May 02, 2014 03:28 PM (5xmd7)

139 Also, I totally stole comment #5.

Posted by: Synova at May 02, 2014 03:28 PM (7/PU+)

140 I thought the health director offended Disney?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 02, 2014 03:28 PM (+0txR)

141 I'm still amazed that The President can speak without any negro dialect. Burn the Koch Brothers!

Posted by: Harry Reid at May 02, 2014 03:28 PM (j0wOO)

142 Can we have a daily checklist so I can verify what is allowed under free speech.

Posted by: RWC at May 02, 2014 03:28 PM (QeH9j)

143 He is? ...Who is Sterling suing? Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2014 07:13 PM (l/M30) Sterling is a trial lawyer, he's suing...everyone! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrTsuvykUZk

Posted by: AmishDude at May 02, 2014 03:29 PM (T0NGe)

144 "I still support the ability of this fucktard company to make employment decisions for any or no reasons. This is the essence of at-will employment." I don't disagree. Torn though, he was just stating his support of the guys right to say what he wants in his own home.

Posted by: Seems legit at May 02, 2014 03:29 PM (A98Xu)

145 141 "In a savage world of man vs nature, are you the hunter or the hunted? In the savage world of man vs. racist, are you a human or a filthy thoughtcriminal?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 03:29 PM (uhAkr)

146 I thought the Health Director WAS gay....

Posted by: Kim Junk Uno at May 02, 2014 03:29 PM (W7zKe)

147 A video game company comes out against free speech in private. Oh yeah, I really want to give you guys my info.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 03:30 PM (uhAkr)

148 You a fan? --- Thanks for making my point. Clearly it's a crime to be aware it even exists. I should probably be fired from my job. I also read a Steve Sailer column once. It was about movies and Old Hollywood. And, horror, was actually pretty good. I feel so ashamed.

Posted by: Fight the Power at May 02, 2014 03:30 PM (ZPrif)

149 Like: "These are OUR VALUES" -- and then list them. And if they don't do that...then how does an employee know what their 'Values' are? ... he probably was silly enough to think that "freedom of speech" was one of their "Values".

Posted by: Synova at May 02, 2014 03:30 PM (7/PU+)

150 Read about this yesterday on Kotaku (which is part of the gawker sites... yeah I know but I am a gamer), the writers on the site were pretty quick to reassure everyone that the Constitution does not give you freedom of speech at the work place. I also just read a story about a seventh day adventist preacher who was also a professor being fired from a college. He had spoken out against evolution and a commencement speaker so the local chapter of students for social justice decide to locate everything possibly controversial the professor had said and then mail it to administrators and members of the press. The culture war is over and we lost, and now the purging begins.  

Posted by: The Fool at May 02, 2014 03:31 PM (cGlgB)

151 True Freedom is censoring thought to match what society at large considers good.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 03:31 PM (uhAkr)

152 Fascism is always descending on the Right, and landing on the Left. Truth be told I had a subscription to Playboy during the Meese years. Truth be told I read few of the articles as the pictures were of a highly stimulating nature. But the few articles I did read portrayed Meese ( as Attorney General ) of bringing pornography in America to a screeching halt. Which didn't happen, d'uh. I can't think of a better way of bring the pr0n industry to a halt faster then making it impossible for the pr0n peeps to be unable to cash a check.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at May 02, 2014 03:31 PM (j1NwQ)

153 @23: "And the culture wars continue to escalate."

Is it really escalation when only one side is fighting?

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at May 02, 2014 03:32 PM (jnG1p)

154 80 We beat this to death on the the previous discussions. The 1st amendment does not apply to private companies. It applies to the government. There is no "freedom of speech" in a private company.
Posted by: Vic at May 02, 2014 07:12 PM (T2V/1)

The First Amendment is not the beginning and end of freedom of speech in the US.

It's also a larger cultural value that allowed people a certain space to express views and participate in our political process without the entirety of their life being at risk over it. And that space is quickly being eroded as the number of speechcrimes and thoughtcrimes that result in you losing your job and being purged from decent society grows. This is a very bad thing.

And yes the company's actions are completely legal. Which tells you nothing about whether they're moral, just, or part of the American ethos. The slave factories in China are also completely legal.


Posted by: Mætenloch at May 02, 2014 03:32 PM (pAlYe)

155 Someone noted that you're not free from consequences of your speech even if spoken in private and it's collected and distributed illegally. I suppose that's right. Which is why I'd like to see the punishments for illegally recording someone increased exponentially to include a minimum of 10 years in prison.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at May 02, 2014 03:32 PM (dvRYt)

156 Because just shut up. Shut up, shut up, shut up.

Posted by: "Progressives" at May 02, 2014 03:33 PM (Dwehj)

157 Well fuck, it looks like Jason Kidd's whining about the officiating is paying off.

Posted by: logprof at May 02, 2014 03:33 PM (GW/jL)

158 122 Another victim in Pasadena. Health director Eric Walsh offended the gays...and you know the rest. Posted by: pj at May 02, 2014 07:23 PM (ZWaLo) He also offended the head chopping goatfuckers, so, double whammy.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 02, 2014 03:33 PM (NtHdR)

159 Look at Turtle Rock's twitter page company photo. 74 employees. 2 are black. Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2014 07:25 PM (MNq6o) I think you're mistaken. I think that second guy is Asian.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 02, 2014 03:33 PM (T0NGe)

160 As a former participant in the game industry, I can attest that it is just lousy with insufferable liberal dickbags.

Posted by: Weew at May 02, 2014 03:33 PM (0tmLY)

161 I think we may be conflating the two attempted graduation speakers. One was gay with unsavory internet photos, and one thought Disney was wicked or something. Though I suspect if he thought Disney was wicked he also had awful things to say about gays. He is a 7th day Adventist. (also African American but we know which victim group wins that battle...)

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 02, 2014 03:33 PM (+0txR)

162 So, Voltaire is just some electrical cooling company's logo?

Posted by: Bill R. at May 02, 2014 03:33 PM (dSm1B)

163 First they came for the free-speech supporting CEOs, but I said nothing because I made a living dropping paint eggs out of my cooch.

Posted by: Milo Moire at May 02, 2014 03:34 PM (8ZskC)

164 Its refreshing to see people realize that the first amendment does not prevent people from punishing others for their speech. That is nice. Now how many years will it take to drill into everyone's skull that even if something doesn't violate the first amendment we sometimes should fight it using whatever means we have necessary?

Posted by: Evan Dickinson at May 02, 2014 03:34 PM (ZEvLv)

165 Hate to be all contrarian, but the TurtleRock guy, IMHO, went waaayyy over the top calling Sterling a "victim."  Come on, a loathesome old bigot billionaire got snagged by his ho, and may lose his team...Do we watch "The Sting" and call Robert Shaw "a victim?"  No, it's rough justice, we can and should all get a good schadenfreude laugh.

Mr. Sterling made a long, rich--VERY rich-- living out of suing people, collecting rent money, and ticket receipts for generally mediocre basketball teams.  His money bought the silence of many people over many years.

Cry no tears for Sterling, Argentina.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 02, 2014 03:35 PM (FWwQD)

166 Someone noted that you're not free from consequences of your speech Just because the government isn't terrorizing you doesn't mean it isn't terrorism.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 03:35 PM (uhAkr)

167 So is this video game company going to ban players who say racist things over their headsets? Because they'll end up banning their whole customer base if that's the case.

Posted by: mugiwara at May 02, 2014 03:36 PM (3a584)

168 The culture war is over and we lost, and now the purging begins.

Nah, it just moves beyond the ballot box.

Posted by: GMan at May 02, 2014 03:36 PM (aGC0F)

169 The slave factories in China? Dang, they are even manufacturing people there these days!

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 02, 2014 03:36 PM (+0txR)

170 "My nipples explode with delight!"

Posted by: Progressive Fascists Everywhere at May 02, 2014 03:36 PM (W7zKe)

171 The purges are freeing up motivated assets that can be put to good use by people with vision. Public education is vulnerable to a catastrophic deconstruction. The Federal Department of Education was constructed by political forces. It can be eliminated the same way.

Posted by: Maximillius Fail at May 02, 2014 03:36 PM (NU4/6)

172 87 76
Vic, I didn't catch your post but I have a feeling that what you posted
is how I feel about all that shit. I understand Sterling is suing for
1.7 billion.Good for him.


Posted by: J. Chevers Loophole at May 02, 2014 07:12 PM (ahBY0)

Here it is
CNN asks if it was legal to record and release Sterling's rant. They discuss State law but fail to mention it was also a violation of federal law, namely the electronic communications privacy act (18 U.S. Code § 2511). There are no provisions under the act for federal punishment, however he can seek damages from his ex-wife. If he has to fight the NBA in court she will be liable for all the costs, including the cost of the team if he loses it.


I hope she is aware of the shit storm she has made herself liable for. And CNN should do a little research before they publish shit. And speaking of CNN and other news services who are publishing her crap, perhaps they should talk to their lawyers as well. They are not exempt from this law.


http://tinyurl.com/pddtlaj

Posted by: Vic at May 02, 2014 07:14 PM (T2V/1)

++++

No, you are reading that wrong. Under federal law, it is illegal to intercept someone else's call. If George is on a call with Bob, and I somehow am able to secretly intercept that call, that is illegal. But, if Bob tapes all his calls, that is not an interception or an illegal wiretap, or in any other way illegal. The federal standard in commonly referred to as "one party consent". That is, if at least one person in the conversation is aware that it is being recorded, it's legal.

California and a few other states use what is commonly called "two party consent". But, that is kind of a poor descriptor. It should be called "all party consent" or something, because what the law in those states is, is that everyone on the call has to be aware that it is recorded. Normally, that will just be two people, but if it is a conference call or something like that, every single person has to be notified.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 02, 2014 03:37 PM (IN7k+)

173 >>> Hate to be all contrarian, but the TurtleRock guy, IMHO, went waaayyy over the top calling Sterling a "victim." Come on, a loathesome old bigot billionaire got snagged by his ho, and may lose his team... he was definitely a victim of invasion of privacy. And I'm allowed to say that, because Kareem Abdul Jabar said so as well. You're a dope. Whether or not it's true that Sterling was a "victim" (and in one way, he was), you're supporting the idea that if someone believes the "wrong thing," why, the proper redress of this is a good Political Firing. Fucking Stalinist.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2014 03:37 PM (/FnUH)

174 I don't know what's real anymore.

Posted by: SarahW at May 02, 2014 03:37 PM (Lbv/k)

175 Posted by: ace at May 02, 2014 07:37 PM (/FnUH) Ban him. It'll be a good lesson.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 03:38 PM (uhAkr)

176 I just wish someone could explain to me said ho's weird visor she was wearing? Is she a space alien?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 02, 2014 03:38 PM (+0txR)

177 >>>Cry no tears for Sterling, Argentina. and I'm crying no tears for Sterling -- I am objecting to a fucking creepy stalinist thought-police-by-mob-action world in which a fucking minor contrarian thought gets you fired. And then of course the people who fired you get to write an explanatory letter stating "OF COURSE we are ENORMOUS supporters of the right to free expression. That's why we had to move so vigorously to fire this guy."

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2014 03:39 PM (/FnUH)

178 177 I don't know what's real anymore. Posted by: SarahW at May 02, 2014 07:37 PM (Lbv/k) Nothing is real.

Posted by: John Lennon at May 02, 2014 03:40 PM (GW/jL)

179 Comments here are chilling.
I blame global warming climate change.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at May 02, 2014 03:40 PM (9IMoS)

180 Point being if Sterling intended his comments to become public he needs to get busted...if not he's going to make some money, union or no.

Posted by: J. Chevers Loophole at May 02, 2014 03:41 PM (ahBY0)

181 179 I just wish someone could explain to me said ho's weird visor she was wearing? Is she a space alien? Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 02, 2014 07:38 PM (+0txR) --She's auditioning to join Daft Punk.

Posted by: logprof at May 02, 2014 03:41 PM (GW/jL)

182 I would be worried about Turtle Rock games (Left for Dead, Evolve) being loaded with spyware since PRIVACY is obviously against their "core values."

Posted by: Beth at May 02, 2014 03:41 PM (Epq7Y)

183 185 I would be worried about Turtle Rock games (Left for Dead, Evolve) being loaded with spyware since PRIVACY is obviously against their "core values." Yep.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 03:42 PM (uhAkr)

184 >>>Well fuck, it looks like Jason Kidd's whining about the officiating is paying off.<<<



Don't forget, that's WIFE BEATER, Jason Kidd. Who would bring his battered spouse and (then) young son to games as human shields.

Posted by: your paragons of virtue at the NBA at May 02, 2014 03:42 PM (Q2bPn)

185 I'm having trouble disguising the USA from the old Soviet Union

Posted by: Jeanette Victoria at May 02, 2014 03:42 PM (jMyte)

186 We live in the greatest country in the world. America, Land of the Free! Where a man can believe anything he wants. As long as never actually tells anyone else.

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at May 02, 2014 03:42 PM (ZPrif)

187

Does this mean that a Conservative CEO can now fire all the liberal douchebag hipsters at his company?

 

You know...because they don't "share his Values".

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2014 03:42 PM (l/M30)

188 Support Non-Violence, Or We Will Kill You!

Posted by: Progressive Fascists Everywhere at May 02, 2014 03:43 PM (W7zKe)

189 GOAL Rangers!!!! 2-0 game in the 1st

Posted by: logprof at May 02, 2014 03:44 PM (GW/jL)

190 California and a few other states use what is commonly called "two party consent". It's really enacted for politician protection. I remember they went after Linda Tripp on that. Maryland is a 2 party consent state.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 02, 2014 03:44 PM (T0NGe)

191 In ten years it will be a fireable offense for an employee in any govt job or Fortune 1000 company to say on twitter, Facebook, or any form of social media that they think, in their personal opinion, that gay marriage is immoral.

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at May 02, 2014 03:45 PM (ZPrif)

192 1984 left a line out. Bigotry is tolerance.

Posted by: logprof at May 02, 2014 03:45 PM (GW/jL)

193 Does this mean that a Conservative CEO can now fire all the liberal douchebag hipsters at his company? You know...because they don't "share his Values". Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2014 07:42 PM (l/M30) Ya, see, that's the point. Why would you fire an employee who is making you money?

Posted by: Maximillius Fail at May 02, 2014 03:45 PM (NU4/6)

194 194 In ten years it will be a fireable offense for an employee in any govt job or Fortune 1000 company to say on twitter, Facebook, or any form of social media that they think, in their personal opinion, that gay marriage is immoral. Posted by: Separate but Stupid at May 02, 2014 07:45 PM (ZPrif) 10 years? It's happening now.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 02, 2014 03:45 PM (oFCZn)

195 OK, I guess I'll start rooting for Robert Shaw in The Sting, then.

Good grief.


Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 02, 2014 03:46 PM (FWwQD)

196 What's all this about Rod Sterling? Is there a new Twilight Zone ?

Posted by: seamrog at May 02, 2014 03:46 PM (FEhrc)

197 Ya, see, that's the point. Why would you fire an employee who is making you money? Because money is fake and printed by reams, and doled out by Papa Fed.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 03:46 PM (uhAkr)

198 Ban him. It'll be a good lesson. Touche.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2014 03:46 PM (QupBk)

199 Sterling likely consented, it appears he was suffering some cognitive problems and had taken to recording his conversations to help organize his thoughts. Why did he have an "archivist"? Partly to function as an external memory aid to assist his failing brain.

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at May 02, 2014 03:46 PM (ZPrif)

200 While this isn't a question of the 1st Amendment per se, it does involve the broader concept of being able to think and say what you want without having a mob of zealots chase after you with pitchforks.

Orin's crime wasn't even racism or bigotry, it was the defense of the right to be wrong and the right to privacy!

His crime was daring to pint out hat he wasn't one of the rabid jackanapes of the frothing "get Sterling" mob.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 02, 2014 03:46 PM (XvHmy)

201 We were talking about faddist adherence to micro-aggressions. One derivative of that concept is making the micro-aggressions into macro-aggressions.

Posted by: eleven at May 02, 2014 03:46 PM (fsLdt)

202 GOAL Rangers!!!!

Shut up. That's not permitted.

Posted by: "Progressives" at May 02, 2014 03:46 PM (Dwehj)

203 Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 02, 2014 07:35 PM (FWwQD) He was a victim of illegally recording. Can you forward me recordings of your phome conversative for the foreseeable future as well as emails, tweets, posts etc so I can be sure you're a good fucking citizen.

Posted by: RWC at May 02, 2014 03:46 PM (QeH9j)

204 193 California and a few other states use what is commonly called "two party consent".

It's really enacted for politician protection. I remember they went after Linda Tripp on that. Maryland is a 2 party consent state.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 02, 2014 07:44 PM (T0NGe)

++++

There are a lot of people who don't want to be secretly recorded. In this particular instance, my definition of "people" includes politicians.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 02, 2014 03:47 PM (IN7k+)

205 Conversation

Posted by: RWC at May 02, 2014 03:47 PM (QeH9j)

206 Don't forget, that's WIFE BEATER, Jason Kidd. Who would bring his battered spouse and (then) young son to games as human shields. Posted by: your paragons of virtue at the NBA at May 02, 2014 07:42 PM (Q2bPn) --Really? Well, I'll throw that on the heap with all the other reasons I detest the Nets. (Ironically, none of their players even really annoy me, let alone anger me.)

Posted by: logprof at May 02, 2014 03:47 PM (GW/jL)

207 Ha! Ben Afflect got banned from some casino for cheating.

Posted by: Sir Pug A Lott at May 02, 2014 03:48 PM (8c12T)

208 Damn, and now a holding call on the Penguins. I love it.

Posted by: logprof at May 02, 2014 03:49 PM (GW/jL)

209 Card counting is against our values.

Posted by: The Hard Rock Casino at May 02, 2014 03:49 PM (QupBk)

210 I would be worried about Turtle Rock games (Left for Dead, Evolve) being loaded with spyware since PRIVACY is obviously against their "core values." Posted by: Beth

Damn right.  I got a free copy of Left 4 Dead.  Selling that shit at Gamestop tomorrow.

Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2014 03:49 PM (MNq6o)

211

196...Ya, see, that's the point. Why would you fire an employee who is making you money? 

 

-------

 

Because, silly, they don't "share your Values".

And that's what is most important...now.

 

Employers now have The Right To Purge!

Purge the non-believers!

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2014 03:49 PM (l/M30)

212 Why did he have an "archivist"? She was storing packets of his DNA.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 03:49 PM (uhAkr)

213 Growing up in Gen X, the way the culture (as j saw it) operated ( private sector jobs too) was encapsulated s something we used to say all the time, the quote: I may not agree with what you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it Companies wouldn't even think if firing someone for expressing their opinion in private This changes how people THINK That us why it is deathly dangerous for liberty

Posted by: ginaswo at May 02, 2014 03:50 PM (VGpgb)

214 168 Hate to be all contrarian, but the TurtleRock guy, IMHO, went waaayyy over the top calling Sterling a "victim." Come on, a loathesome old bigot billionaire got snagged by his ho, and may lose his team...Do we watch "The Sting" and call Robert Shaw "a victim?" No, it's rough justice, we can and should all get a good schadenfreude laugh.

Look I'm completely willing to stipulate that Sterling is a loathsome old bigot.

And being a racist bigot is a bad thing. But it's not a crime and it's certainly not the worst of all crimes. But many people seemed to have placed racism somewhere between manslaughter and sexual assault on the scale of grave offenses and want a correspondingly harsh punishment for it.

And that's insane.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 02, 2014 03:50 PM (pAlYe)

215 She was storing packets of his DNA.

In binders, no less.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at May 02, 2014 03:50 PM (Dwehj)

216 AMAZON NOW URGED TO BLACKLIST 'HATERS' Bob Unruh, WND, April 30, 2014 For many years, the Southern Poverty Law Center has labeled groups with values it doesn’t tolerate as “hate groups,” but now the organization is taking its attacks a step further, demanding Amazon and PayPal blacklist bloggers and websites that don’t fall in line with its leftist agenda. Headlined “Financing Hate” in the group’s Intelligence Report publication, the Southern Poverty Law Center, or SPLC, listed 91 “hate groups” ranging from those clearly on the fringe to mainstream bloggers and websites such as Catholic Family News, Atlas Shrugs, Jihad Watch, WND and the Americans for Legal Immigration PAC. Clearly stating its opposition, it describes how some of the organizations utilize Amazon, PayPal and other online services to sell products. SPLC said the Intelligence Report contacted Amazon in September about the participation of “hate groups” and “hate sites” in Amazon programs that earn the groups commissions. Amazon, according to the report, said it would assign “appropriate teams to investigate, review applicable policies, and take appropriate action.” But SPLC lamented that some of its targets “were still earning commissions through Amazon.”

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at May 02, 2014 03:51 PM (ZPrif)

217 The issue is not the First Amendment, but that we no longer live in a society that could have created a First Amendment.

Posted by: NYC Parent at May 02, 2014 03:51 PM (cgIdf)

218 Dead Island is tons better than Left 4 Dead.

Posted by: RWC at May 02, 2014 03:51 PM (QeH9j)

219 #206... that's exactly right...

Posted by: J. Chevers Loophole at May 02, 2014 03:52 PM (ahBY0)

220 Breaker Morant coming up in 10 minutes on TCM. At least on the Pacific Coast. You East Coast lamers are too late.


Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 02, 2014 03:52 PM (IN7k+)

221 In binders, no less. In her cheek pouches, as I understand it.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2014 03:52 PM (QupBk)

222 I may not agree with what you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it It's now, "I don't agree with what you say, I want to get you fired and ruin your life." How people can think this isn't evil is beyond me. You can't have a society with people who operate like this. Civil Society will be dead in four years. We will be afraid to talk beyond platitudes and sanctioned topics.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 03:52 PM (uhAkr)

223 >>>While this isn't a question of the 1st Amendment per se, it does involve the broader concept of being able to think and say what you want without having a mob of zealots chase after you with pitchforks. Orin's crime wasn't even racism or bigotry, it was the defense of the right to be wrong and the right to privacy! His crime was daring to pint out hat he wasn't one of the rabid jackanapes of the frothing "get Sterling" mob. .. exactly. This guy didn't even say "I can see why Sterling didn't want his mistress hanging out with black guys." He was only saying that the "old bigot" had the right to be an "old bigot" in the privacy of his own home -- which is true. And so -- not for agreeing with sterling, he didn't, but for merely questioning the PENALTY imposed on sterling, he gets fired. Now it's not even a matter of questioning if something is racist. You can agree it's racist, and wrong, but just argue that the penalty is disproportionate -- and that is now a Racial Firing Offense, too.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2014 03:52 PM (/FnUH)

224

I guess Chick-Fil-A can now fire anyone who supports Gay Marriage?

 

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2014 03:52 PM (l/M30)

225 The issue is not the First Amendment, but that we no longer live in a society that could have created a First Amendment. Well stated.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2014 03:52 PM (QupBk)

226 #206

And NSA snooping on political opponents of the current regime is ongoing.  I'm almost certain that it's what happened to the traitor Roberts to have him render the obamacare decision he did.


Posted by: GMan at May 02, 2014 03:53 PM (aGC0F)

227 At some point, someone is going to get shot over this stuff. Not everyone is totally stable when some one ruins their life.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2014 03:53 PM (QupBk)

228 >>>nd being a racist bigot is a bad thing. But it's not a crime and it's certainly not the worst of all crimes. But many people seemed to have placed racism somewhere between manslaughter and sexual assault on the scale of grave offenses and want a correspondingly harsh punishment for it. And that's insane. ... But it's not even that, because we're not talking here about Sterling's punishment, not directly. We are talking about someone questioning Sterling's punishment -- and the mob deciding that even THAT is intolerable and must be punished with a firing.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2014 03:54 PM (/FnUH)

229 I guess Chick-Fil-A can now fire anyone who supports Gay Marriage? - No cause that would be H8! NoH8!

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at May 02, 2014 03:54 PM (ZPrif)

230 My thoughts on this:

Private Thoughts, Public Punishment

     The owner of the L. A. Clippers, Donald Sterling, has been fined $2.5 Million dollars and banned for life from the MBA, and may even have his team forcible taken from him.  Allow your humble author to be blunt:  I do not know what Sterling specifically said, and it does not matter what he said in regards to the points being made herein.  This is not meant to defend the indefensible, but to condemn the mob.

http://bit.ly/1lJ0iq9

Will be updated with this post's topic later this evening.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 02, 2014 03:54 PM (XvHmy)

231 10 I don't know how all of this is going to end,[...] Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 02, 2014 06:58 PM (oFCZn) In fire.

Posted by: Kosh at May 02, 2014 03:54 PM (bHnlE)

232 157 The First Amendment is not the beginning and end of freedom of speech in the US. It's also a larger cultural value that allowed people a certain space to express views and participate in our political process without the entirety of their life being at risk over it. And that space is quickly being eroded as the number of speechcrimes and thoughtcrimes that result in you losing your job and being purged from decent society grows. This is a very bad thing. And yes the company's actions are completely legal. Which tells you nothing about whether they're moral, just, or part of the American ethos. The slave factories in China are also completely legal. Posted by: Mætenloch at May 02, 2014 07:32 PM (pAlYe) -------------------------- THIS. Nicely put.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 02, 2014 03:55 PM (dfYL9)

233 BTW, wasn't this the sort of the plot of some novel or movie. Just some innocent guy that gets his life destroyed because he's suddenly the object of mob disapproval. I swear I've read or watched this movie.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2014 03:55 PM (QupBk)

234 At some point, someone is going to get shot over this stuff

I'd argue that it might be justified.  The founders would almost certainly be shooting by now.

Posted by: GMan at May 02, 2014 03:55 PM (aGC0F)

235 I won't know what to think about this until that xkcd jagoff does a stupid cartoon about it.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 02, 2014 03:55 PM (Sy5gp)

236 As prophesied by ace numerous times, including this weeks podcast. The one who will hurt you for exercising free speech is not the government, but your employer. With the exception of the IRS, obviously.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at May 02, 2014 03:55 PM (d7H2D)

237 Never did play Left 4 Dead. Never will, either.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's Solid Gold Diaphragm at May 02, 2014 03:56 PM (bHnlE)

238 I'd argue that it might be justified. The founders would almost certainly be shooting by now. Posted by: GMan I definitely don't want to be banned, but yeah.

Posted by: dogfish at May 02, 2014 03:56 PM (nsOJa)

239 I bring a 2d laptop and a hotspot to work...I'm pretty sure that the HQ showing up in my search history would result in a drone strike.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at May 02, 2014 03:56 PM (BKV7y)

240 I'm not a coffee drinker, but is Nespresso really the orgasmic experience the ads make it out to be?

Posted by: logprof at May 02, 2014 03:56 PM (GW/jL)

241 Andrew Dice Clay's contract has been terminated as his comic bits about every race and belief system on the planet stand in stark contrast to our values as a comedy network.

Posted by: Comedy Central at May 02, 2014 03:57 PM (ZPj8Y)

242 I guess Chick-Fil-A can now fire anyone who supports Gay Marriage?

Nah, they gave up that ghost last month. The CEO has "repented". 

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at May 02, 2014 03:57 PM (Dwehj)

243 First they came for the Derbyshires, and I did not speak out ....

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at May 02, 2014 03:57 PM (ZPrif)

244 We are talking about someone questioning Sterling's punishment -- and the mob deciding that even THAT is intolerable and must be punished with a firing.
Posted by: ace at May 02, 2014 07:54 PM (/FnUH)

Well I'm screwed then.

The new American civil society rules: Do NOT cross the mob of angry righteousness. And do NOT dare to question their judgements.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 02, 2014 03:57 PM (pAlYe)

245 I bring a 2d laptop and a hotspot to work...I'm pretty sure that the HQ showing up in my search history would result in a drone strike. I bore an encrypted channel through the company firewall to a proxy at someone else's house. Ace does not appreciate the efforts the morons go through to read his musings.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2014 03:58 PM (QupBk)

246 Getting very close to a thought crime there ace......

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Infused with Leftist Logic at May 02, 2014 03:58 PM (jucos)

247 238 I won't know what to think about this until that xkcd jagoff does a stupid cartoon about it. We should really start getting some of these people fired. It's time for them to understand what they are so casually doscussing.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 03:58 PM (uhAkr)

248 >>>As prophesied by ace numerous times, including this weeks podcast. The one who will hurt you for exercising free speech is not the government, but your employer. With the exception of the IRS, obviously. Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone a ... thank you for the shout-out.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2014 03:58 PM (/FnUH)

249 This is nothing but Marcuse's "Repressive Tolerance" essay put into practice.

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 02, 2014 03:58 PM (XvHmy)

250 So what's the solution? Changing the culture? Retribution against companies that knuckle under for the mob?

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at May 02, 2014 03:59 PM (dvRYt)

251 253 So what's the solution? Changing the culture? Retribution against companies that knuckle under for the mob? Reciprocity.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 04:00 PM (bxKJf)

252 >>>--Really? Well, I'll throw that on the heap with all the other reasons I detest the Nets. (Ironically, none of their players even really annoy me, let alone anger me.)<<<



Yeah. When the Nets played the Celts in the '02 playoffs Boston fans were none too kind to that POS. There were back and forths between both cities, Jersey fans having signs advocating for Paul Pierce to be stabbed (after he almost lost his life in a stabbing attack). Boston fans wearing wife beater tees to the game with his name on it.

Here's a SI write up where he attempts to play the victim (shockingly)  -- http://tinyurl.com/kyo3fv4

Posted by: your paragons of virtue at the NBA at May 02, 2014 04:01 PM (Q2bPn)

253 Ace does not appreciate the efforts the morons go through to read his musings. I have to wonder, myself posting from a proxy, whether he ever looks at the incoming IP addresses and scratches his head.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at May 02, 2014 04:01 PM (j1NwQ)

254 I don't know how all of this is going to end, but I'm thinking "catastrophically not well" will be the words used to describe it. - I prefer the phrase "Old Testament".

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 02, 2014 04:01 PM (Mogjf)

255 So what's the solution? Make more money than they do, live longer, and have more kids.

Posted by: Maximillius Fail at May 02, 2014 04:01 PM (NU4/6)

256 OT, but here's my version of Cute Overload. SpaceX's new F9R test vehicle made its second flight, this time to an altitude of 1000 meters (over 3000 feet) and landed safely. This shattered the 744 meter record for Grasshopper's highest flight. https://tinyurl.com/k9ea6sb The video was just released today and already has over 100,000 views.

Posted by: rickl at May 02, 2014 04:02 PM (sdi6R)

257 The govt should just seize all of Sterling's assets. Why should racist old bigots be allowed to have a billion dollars?

Posted by: Progtard 2000 at May 02, 2014 04:03 PM (ZPrif)

258 Economic war or complete surrender on every issue the left decides to declare our side immoral on. Note that they are not breaking a sweat. They call us evil and everyone who wants to be safe (the vast majority of people) goes on their side to avoid being labelled. Our side thinks that doing that is mean and that if we be nice eventually everyone will just believe us.

Posted by: Evan Dickinson at May 02, 2014 04:03 PM (ZEvLv)

259 Hate speech : modern day version of spells, words that can cause a person harm and limit his future. Haters: modern day version of witches. Progs: same effing hysterical, totalitarian f*ckwits they've always been. plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Posted by: Dancing Queen at May 02, 2014 04:03 PM (FDGeg)

260 If you say shit that is even remotely supportive of slavery, there's a good chance bad things will happen to you. This Olin dude should have known that.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:04 PM (0LHZx)

261 I prefer the phrase "Old Testament". Posted by: WalrusRex

The end of the New Testament's even better.

Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2014 04:04 PM (MNq6o)

262 @26 jakeman "Anyone else hear the ex-Russian call into Rush yesterday, talking about the backlash when he was an elementary schoolkid and had the temerity to question Stalin...in the 1980s?" I know some russian emmigres in the US. Regarding the democrats, one told me, "we have heard all this sh*t before and know what it is." Oh, and the loathe the JEF.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at May 02, 2014 04:04 PM (evN+i)

263 What's the problem?

Posted by: Perry's Racist Rock at May 02, 2014 04:05 PM (nsOJa)

264 If you say shit that is even remotely supportive of slavery, there's a good chance bad things will happen to you. This Olin dude should have known that. --- Well said!!!

Posted by: Progtard 2000 at May 02, 2014 04:05 PM (ZPrif)

265

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:04 PM (0LHZx)


Buttons!

Posted by: some guy at May 02, 2014 04:06 PM (2DunM)

266 "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Some Dude Who Was Obviously Supporting Slavery

Posted by: Progtard 2000 at May 02, 2014 04:06 PM (ZPrif)

267
Comments from elected Republicans defending free speech, freedom of thought and personal privacy have pretty much evaporated since that Duck Dynasty thing, haven't they?

Overton window moving that-a-way yet again.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 02, 2014 04:06 PM (kdS6q)

268 263 If you say shit that is even remotely supportive of slavery, there's a good chance bad things will happen to you. This Olin dude should have known that.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:04 PM (0LHZx)

Um yeah we're gonna need you to show your work on this comment.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 02, 2014 04:06 PM (pAlYe)

269 263 If you say shit that is even remotely supportive of slavery, there's a good chance bad things will happen to you. This Olin dude should have known that. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:04 PM (0LHZx) Shocker! Ok Moo Moo, what part of his tweet was remotely supportive of slavery?

Posted by: RWC at May 02, 2014 04:07 PM (QeH9j)

270 Posted by: Dancing Queen at May 02, 2014 08:03 PM (FDGeg) I like that analogy.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2014 04:07 PM (oMKp3)

271 263 If you say shit that is even remotely supportive of slavery, there's a good chance bad things will happen to you. This Olin dude should have known that. Can somebody ban this stupid fascist? Give him his fucking groupthink good and hard. Discourse is impossible with trash like you.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 04:07 PM (bxKJf)

272 Ok Moo Moo, what part of his tweet was remotely supportive of slavery? --- I think mook confused Bundy and Sterling.

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at May 02, 2014 04:08 PM (ZPrif)

273 Um yeah we're gonna need you to show your work on this comment. Posted by: Mætenloch at May 02, 2014 08:06 PM (pAlYe) Forget it, Maet. It's Moo Moo town.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 02, 2014 04:08 PM (oFCZn)

274 Ok Moo Moo, what part of his tweet was remotely supportive of slavery? Posted by: RWC at May 02, 2014 08:07 PM (QeH9j) ___________ When you were raised in an era where segregation was perceived as 'right', that will stick with some people," Olin later said. "Doesn't make him a monster."

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:08 PM (0LHZx)

275 Um yeah we're gonna need you to show your work on this comment. Posted by: Mætenloch at May 02, 2014 08:06 PM (pAlYe) Quick, let's start a pool. What logical fallacy will he open with? 2:1 he goes with the Strawman.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 02, 2014 04:08 PM (yz6yg)

276 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:08 PM (0LHZx)


Buttons!

Posted by: some guy at May 02, 2014 04:09 PM (2DunM)

277 This reminds me of what Daniel Hannan (MEP) said:

""That's an unacceptable view," (as opposed to "I disagree with that view") situates the speaker pretty reliably on the Left-Right spectrum."

http://bit.ly/1lJ2BcK

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 02, 2014 04:09 PM (XvHmy)

278 Hey, I like to just make shit up.

Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at May 02, 2014 04:09 PM (Dwehj)

279 When you were raised in an era where segregation was perceived as 'right', that will stick with some people," Olin later said. "Doesn't make him a monster." Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:08 PM (0LHZx) Segregation is slavery?

Posted by: RWC at May 02, 2014 04:10 PM (QeH9j)

280 Segregation wasn't slavery.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 02, 2014 04:10 PM (oFCZn)

281

This whole thing is rather like having to have the 'mark of the beast' in order to earn a living.

 

If only people who have the "right Values" are allowed to be employed...

then, we're already there, aren't we?

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2014 04:10 PM (l/M30)

282 Either we're all allowed to have unacceptable views, or nobody is.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2014 04:10 PM (oMKp3)

283 2:1 he goes with the Strawman. Looks like Basic English Comprehension, paying out at 3:10.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 02, 2014 04:10 PM (Sy5gp)

284 259 OT, but here's my version of Cute Overload. SpaceX's new F9R test vehicle made its second flight, this time to an altitude of 1000 meters (over 3000 feet) and landed safely. This shattered the 744 meter record for Grasshopper's highest flight. Posted by: rickl at May 02, 2014 08:02 PM (sdi6R) Yeah, well, how's SpaceX's muslim outreach capability? Pretty crappy, I'd bet.

Posted by: NASA at May 02, 2014 04:11 PM (bHnlE)

285 @189: "We live in the greatest country in the world.
America, Land of the Free!

Where a man can believe anything he wants.

As long as never actually tells anyone else."

Or, as we sang in "Know Your Rights":

You have the right
To Free Speech
As long as
You're not dumb enough to actually *try* it.

Posted by: The Clash at May 02, 2014 04:11 PM (jnG1p)

286 I meant segregation not slavery. Bah.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:11 PM (0LHZx)

287 If you say shit that is even remotely supportive of slavery, there's a good chance bad things will happen to you. This Olin dude should have known that.

So it's appropriate for everyone here with a business to immediately fire anyone who supports Obamacare, the progressive tax scheme, or the federal government generally.

Sounds good to me.

Posted by: Methos at May 02, 2014 04:11 PM (hO9ad)

288 White Privilege is Segregation is Slavery!

Posted by: Progtard 2000 at May 02, 2014 04:12 PM (ZPrif)

289 Ah, segregation is just exactly like slavery. I should have known. My bad.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 02, 2014 04:12 PM (IN7k+)

290 Segregation not Slavery....not any better judgement on Olin's part.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:12 PM (0LHZx)

291 Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 02, 2014 08:08 PM (yz6yg) I can't tell, but I'm going with Waterhouse's description. It appears to be some weird over interpreting of the "he's old and crotchety, why don't we let him be" (which is what the tweet appears to actually say.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 02, 2014 04:12 PM (HDwDg)

292 When you were raised in an era where segregation was perceived as 'right', that will stick with some people," Olin later said. "Doesn't make him a monster." Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:08 PM (0LHZx) http://tinyurl.com/bvfmw4k Dammit! Alright, whoever had Moo Moo opening with the Genetic logical fallacy, please step up to Window 7 to collect your winnings. I was SURE he was going to go with a Strawman.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 02, 2014 04:12 PM (yz6yg)

293 So it's appropriate for everyone here with a business to immediately fire anyone who supports Obamacare, the progressive tax scheme, or the federal government generally. Sounds good to me. Posted by: Methos at May 02, 2014 08:11 PM (hO9ad) __________ Me too. I have no problem with any business firing anyone for any reason.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:13 PM (0LHZx)

294 Credit where it's due, ace. You've been calling that one for months, before most LGBT activists knew who Eich was or knew what a POS Sterling was. Also, early Maet sighting. I'm expecting epic troll thrashing if one steps in here--aside from Moo Moo who isn't worth the effort.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at May 02, 2014 04:13 PM (d7H2D)

295 I have a life long friend whose family came from Poland. His name is so hard to pronounce that we just called him polack...he has no probs with it...am I racist?

Posted by: J. Chevers Loophole at May 02, 2014 04:13 PM (ahBY0)

296 Lotsa leftardednessism going around these days. I, for one, can't wait until the pendulum swings back in the other direction, cause it's swaying way way over to the crazy side lately.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 02, 2014 04:13 PM (0HooB)

297 Some of you people need to check your privilege.

Posted by: BEL at May 02, 2014 04:13 PM (thLL8)

298 293 Segregation not Slavery....not any better judgement on Olin's part.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:12 PM (0LHZx)

Okay but not seeing the support for segregation you assert. Failure to condemn as a monster != support.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 02, 2014 04:13 PM (pAlYe)

299 now a Racial Firing Offense, too.

How long would the "Offended Mob" last if it had to meet the ~170k who do all the killing in Chicago?

Posted by: DaveA at May 02, 2014 04:13 PM (DL2i+)

300 293 Segregation not Slavery....not any better judgement on Olin's part. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:12 PM (0LHZx) Can you please submit the list of preapproved topics allowed to be discussed so I amy enjoy my freedom.

Posted by: RWC at May 02, 2014 04:14 PM (QeH9j)

301 Hey man, don't blame me, I failed all my reading classes back in the fifth grade. How am I supposed to know how to read a tweet?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:14 PM (8V74Y)

302 Okay but not seeing the support for segregation you assert. Failure to condemn as a monster != support. Posted by: Mætenloch at May 02, 2014 08:13 PM (pAlYe) Indeed. At best he's saying "Old people aren't going to change their ways, just ignore them."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 02, 2014 04:14 PM (HDwDg)

303 Either we're all allowed to have unacceptable views, or nobody is. --- Nobody is allowed to have unacceptable views. We use SLPC's Guidelines for Hate Speech and White Privilege Mitigation in A Gendered, Color-Hostile America for determining what is an unacceptable view and the appropriate corrective action. You'll be notified of our ruling by your bank.

Posted by: Progtard 2000 at May 02, 2014 04:15 PM (ZPrif)

304 Hate speech : modern day version of spells, words that can cause a person harm and limit his future. - What this is is the real life version of that Twilight Zone episode where Ron Howard is a nine year old with the ability to transform or destroy whatever he chose and everybody else is scared shitless. Today's rules may or may not be applicable tomorrow but tomorrow's rules, whatever they may be, will be enforced with Draconian enthusiasm.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 02, 2014 04:15 PM (Mogjf)

305 a chill wind..

Posted by: Soothsayer § at May 02, 2014 04:15 PM (dcmpT)

306 296 So it's appropriate for everyone here with a business to immediately fire anyone who supports Obamacare, the progressive tax scheme, or the federal government generally.

Sounds good to me.
Posted by: Methos at May 02, 2014 08:11 PM (hO9ad)

__________

Me too. I have no problem with any business firing anyone for any reason.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:13 PM (0LHZx)

++++

So, if I buy a business and my first act is to fire all the LGBTers, you'd be good with that?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 02, 2014 04:16 PM (IN7k+)

307 Fuck You, Susan Sarandon and Tim Whateverthefuck. Fuck you, both. A chill wind, indeed.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at May 02, 2014 04:16 PM (dcmpT)

308 What this is is the real life version of that Twilight Zone episode where Ron Howard is a nine year old with the ability to transform or destroy whatever he chose and everybody else is scared shitless. Yikes. I'll just walk on out to the cornfield.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2014 04:16 PM (QupBk)

309 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:14 PM (8V74Y) Not cool socking letter for letter.

Posted by: RWC at May 02, 2014 04:16 PM (QeH9j)

310 Civil Society will be dead in four years. We will be afraid to talk beyond platitudes and sanctioned topics.

At the rate we're going, I don't think it will take four years. The run-up to the midterms will be insane. The '16 presidential election, provided it takes place, will determine whether we remain a republic—not of the banana type.

Posted by: Hadoop at May 02, 2014 04:16 PM (Ph479)

311 285 Either we're all allowed to have unacceptable views, or nobody is. That's unacceptable. I like it!

Posted by: Progressive Fascists Everywhere at May 02, 2014 04:16 PM (W7zKe)

312 So it's appropriate for everyone here with a business to immediately fire anyone who supports Obamacare, the progressive tax scheme, or the federal government generally. Sounds good to me. Maybe that's how we counter this. I'm not sure how we'd go about publicizing what we'd be doing, but the sooner it happens, the easier it'd be to shove it up the left's ass. "What do you mean it isn't fair? Look what just happened to Sterling? I'm just doing the same thing to you." "You're fired."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 02, 2014 04:17 PM (0HooB)

313
"If you say shit that is even remotely supportive of slavery, there's a
good chance bad things will happen to you. This Olin dude should have
known that."




And The Association Fallacy is da winnah!

Redeem winning tickets at Window 7.




Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 02, 2014 04:17 PM (kdS6q)

314 I agree with the guy, but why are people here invoking the 1st Amendment? Last time I checked, neither the NBA nor Turtle Rock Studios were federal agencies.

Is there something I'm missing?  What does Freedom of Speech have to do with any of this?

He's also an idiot.  We are all entitled to unpopular opinions, but when your job is essentially in public relations, you might consider broadcasting those opinions. 


Posted by: seattle slough at May 02, 2014 04:17 PM (mCz8+)

315 Posted by: BEL at May 02, 2014 08:13 PM (thLL Yeah like this guy: http://ti.me/1i6kDAb

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:17 PM (8V74Y)

316 Fuck this studio in particular.

Posted by: Miracle Max at May 02, 2014 04:17 PM (7mQyC)

317 @202: "Sterling likely consented, it appears he was suffering some cognitive problems and had taken to recording his conversations to help organize his thoughts.

Why did he have an "archivist"? Partly to function as an external memory aid to assist his failing brain."

Won't help her much.  If he consented to the recording of his comments, but not their dissemination, then he can still sue her for public disclosure of private facts, a form of defamation.  He might not win with the claim, but he could definitely cost her quite a bit in defending it.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at May 02, 2014 04:17 PM (jnG1p)

318 Strawmen dig me.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:17 PM (evN+i)

319

307...What this is is the real life version of that Twilight Zone episode where Ron Howard is a nine year old with the ability to transform or destroy whatever he chose and everybody else is scared shitless.

 

-------

 

You mean...Billy Mummy?

 

The kid who could wish you into the cornfield?

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2014 04:17 PM (l/M30)

320 Can you please submit the list of preapproved topics allowed to be discussed so I amy enjoy my freedom. Posted by: RWC at May 02, 2014 08:14 PM (QeH9j) __________ Discuss whatever you want. Just don't be surprised when your public discussions (on twitter for example) have repercussions. Remember you have the right to say shit, you don't have the right to not have consequences due to what you said. If I worked for a Jewish school and I tweeted Hitler was actually a kind of cool guy...how many minutes do you think it would be before I got fired? I have every right to say something like that, but I don't have the guarantee that my right won't cause me my job.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:17 PM (0LHZx)

321 So, if I buy a business and my first act is to fire all the LGBTers, you'd be good with that? Bakers and photographers have to do gay weddings, so you can guess what your odds of not getting sued are.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 04:18 PM (bxKJf)

322 Never heard of Turtlerock before this, and won't ever hear of it after either.

Posted by: Iblis at May 02, 2014 04:18 PM (zCnVx)

323 Is there something I'm missing? Heh.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2014 04:18 PM (QupBk)

324 Six Degrees of Racism

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2014 04:18 PM (DmNpO)

325 If I worked for a Jewish school and I tweeted Hitler was actually a kind of cool guy...how many minutes do you think it would be before I got fired? I have every right to say something like that, but I don't have the guarantee that my right won't cause me my job. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:17 PM (0LHZx) There's the strawman.

Posted by: RWC at May 02, 2014 04:19 PM (QeH9j)

326 No shit. Olin says he's an old bigot who has the right to say whatever he wants in his own home.

FIRED!

And it's interesting that dictionary.com has fascist as meaning "any person regarded as having right-wing authoritarian views".

Infiltration deep it is.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at May 02, 2014 04:19 PM (pgQxn)

327 324 So, if I buy a business and my first act is to fire all the LGBTers, you'd be good with that? Bakers and photographers have to do gay weddings, so you can guess what your odds of not getting sued are. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 08:18 PM (bxKJf) _________ You asked if I thought you should have the right. I said yes **I THINK** you should have the right to fire anyone for any reason. Unfortunately not every law is written based on what I think it shoudl be.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:19 PM (0LHZx)

328 309 296 So it's appropriate for everyone here with a business to immediately fire anyone who supports Obamacare, the progressive tax scheme, or the federal government generally. Sounds good to me. Posted by: Methos at May 02, 2014 08:11 PM (hO9ad) __________ Me too. I have no problem with any business firing anyone for any reason. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:13 PM (0LHZx) ++++ So, if I buy a business and my first act is to fire all the LGBTers, you'd be good with that? Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 02, 2014 08:16 PM (IN7k+) Wrong sacred cow. Gore the pro-choice folks instead, he can't stand to see that one be harmed--unlike a fetus, because f*ck the unborn, that's why.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at May 02, 2014 04:19 PM (d7H2D)

329 324 So, if I buy a business and my first act is to fire all the LGBTers, you'd be good with that?

Bakers and photographers have to do gay weddings, so you can guess what your odds of not getting sued are.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 08:18 PM (bxKJf)

++++

I know what the law says. I wanted to see if Moo Moo would admit that he doesn't mean what he said.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 02, 2014 04:19 PM (IN7k+)

330 You'll still be allowed to say right wing stuff if your job is working directly in right-wing media. A few hundred TV pundits, radio hosts, column writers, and bloggers will be allowed to speak their mind. Everybody else will have to shut the hell up if they want to have a job.

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at May 02, 2014 04:20 PM (ZPrif)

331 Every proggie who supports these actions implicitly supports the Hollywood Blacklist. It's as simple as that.

Posted by: J. Random Dude at May 02, 2014 04:20 PM (8OfdL)

332 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:17 PM (0LHZx)


Buttons!

Posted by: some guy at May 02, 2014 04:21 PM (2DunM)

333 You mean...Billy Mummy? - Oh no. Into the cornfield for me!

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 02, 2014 04:21 PM (Mogjf)

334
He's also an idiot. We are all entitled to unpopular opinions, but when your job is essentially in public relations, you might consider broadcasting those opinions.

He was referring to a private conversation.

Posted by: Hadoop at May 02, 2014 04:21 PM (Ph479)

335 Penguins goal. Now 2-1 Rangers.

Posted by: logprof at May 02, 2014 04:21 PM (GW/jL)

336 The kid who could wish you into the cornfield?

It shore is a swell day, there yeah. Corn don't need no water, nope. Nice sunny day, every day, shore is!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at May 02, 2014 04:22 PM (pgQxn)

337 Buttons? No clue what you're talking about. Is that some so-con joke?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:22 PM (0LHZx)

338 "Is there something I'm missing? What does Freedom of Speech have to do with any of this? He's also an idiot. We are all entitled to unpopular opinions, but when your job is essentially in public relations, you might consider broadcasting those opinions." His "unpopular opinion" was that people have a right to privacy and that people have the right to be a dick in private. Which unpopular opinion is going to get YOU fired? Maybe the one where you don't participate in demonstrating against the approved target of the day?

Posted by: Synova at May 02, 2014 04:22 PM (7/PU+)

339 Buttons! Posted by: some guy at May 02, 2014 08:21 PM (2DunM) I think you're making the right arguement.

Posted by: RWC at May 02, 2014 04:22 PM (QeH9j)

340 Bakers and photographers have to do gay weddings, so you can guess what your odds of not getting sued are.

You could cite Sterling as precedent.

Or restrain yourself and not say "I'm firing you because I think you're an unamerican and you deserve to starve." and let them figure it out as they meet up with the rest of the homeless.

Posted by: Methos at May 02, 2014 04:22 PM (hO9ad)

341

@Another victim in Pasadena. Health director Eric Walsh offended the gays...and you know the rest.
Posted by: pj at May 02, 2014 07:23 PM (ZWaLo)

He also offended the head chopping goatfuckers, so, double whammy.

---------------------

 

According to the local newspaper, he also said something against Catholics.  But since I only glanced at the first paragraph of the story, I don't know what that might have been.

 

 

On another note...

 

With regards to social media, my company has asked its employees to not mention that they work for the company on Facebook.  That way, employees can engage in the usual stuff that they post on Facebook (intentionally or not), and simultaneously reduce the company's chance of accidentally getting caught up in something that it would rather avoid.

 

Posted by: junior at May 02, 2014 04:22 PM (UWFpX)

342 Oh no. Into the cornfield for me!

The Jack in the box scared the #@$&* out of me when I was a kid.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at May 02, 2014 04:23 PM (pgQxn)

343
At the rate we're going, I don't think it will take four years

I've been predicting shooting between right and left by 2020.
I'm sticking with that.

Posted by: GMan at May 02, 2014 04:23 PM (aGC0F)

344 What does Freedom of Speech have to do with any of this? -- As discussed many times here. Freedom of Speech is a much broader concept than simply the 1st Amendment and whether it's the Feds bringing the hammer down. It's a larger cultural issue. The first amendment is fucking useless if, in practice, you are unable to speak your mind because of privatized totalitarianism.

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at May 02, 2014 04:23 PM (ZPrif)

345 This will continue to get worse until the pre-emptive thought police are made to conclude that punishing speech and unorthodox thought carries a greater social and business penalty than the one they presently which is causing them to act this way.

Posted by: Anonymous Poster at May 02, 2014 04:23 PM (YBusZ)

346 Does this mean that no one's entitled to my opinion anymore?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 02, 2014 04:24 PM (0HooB)

347 Honest... what do people think this is about? The Very Bad Thought Crime that got this guy fired for failing to project the Values of Our Company was.... (dum da dum dum)... People have the right to be a dick in the privacy of their own homes. OH MY DOG THE HUMANITY!

Posted by: Synova at May 02, 2014 04:24 PM (7/PU+)

348 >>>Either we're all allowed to have unacceptable views, or nobody is.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2014 08:10 PM (oMKp3)<<<



When everyone is super a victim/offended/racist/???, then no one is.

Posted by: Syndrome (from The Incredibles) at May 02, 2014 04:24 PM (Q2bPn)

349 Buttons? No clue what you're talking about. Is that some so-con joke? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:22 PM (0LHZx) ********* You're own words, nimrod. Not that long ago.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 02, 2014 04:24 PM (ojnk6)

350 You guys are missing the point. You should know that tweeting about segregation and Sterling while defending Sterling is going to get you in hot water. Especially if you work at a video game company where probably 95% of your co-workers are hard core leftists. Put aside what the law says or what your view is of Sterling or anything else. In the context of being a PR flunkie for a video game maker, you should know better than to write what he wrote. Doesn't meant it's right or moral or whatever. It is what it is.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:24 PM (0LHZx)

351 Posted by: Clutch Cargo at May 02, 2014 08:23 PM (pgQxn) With the rabbit? I hated the sister with no mouth.

Posted by: RWC at May 02, 2014 04:24 PM (QeH9j)

352 330 324 So, if I buy a business and my first act is to fire all the LGBTers, you'd be good with that?

Bakers and photographers have to do gay weddings, so you can guess what your odds of not getting sued are.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 08:18 PM (bxKJf)

_________

You asked if I thought you should have the right. I said yes **I THINK** you should have the right to fire anyone for any reason. Unfortunately not every law is written based on what I think it shoudl be.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:19 PM (0LHZx)

++++

Oh, I know the law would jam me up. Most people who talk that stuff about being ok with businesses firing anyone for any reason usually have unstated exceptions to their rule. I stand corrected.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 02, 2014 04:24 PM (IN7k+)

353 You're own words, nimrod. Not that long ago. Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 02, 2014 08:24 PM (ojnk6) _________ I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:24 PM (0LHZx)

354 333 You'll still be allowed to say right wing stuff if your job is working directly in right-wing media. A few hundred TV pundits, radio hosts, column writers, and bloggers will be allowed to speak their mind. Everybody else will have to shut the hell up if they want to have a job. Posted by: Separate but Stupid at May 02, 2014 08:20 PM (ZPrif) I'm betting that many small business owners agree with us. I know my boss does. But larger corporations tend to be more conformist. Maybe because they have a higher profile, they're more afraid of attracting the attention of the authorities and professional grievance mongers.

Posted by: rickl at May 02, 2014 04:25 PM (sdi6R)

355 How long until the first firing for not tweeting in support of the mob?

Posted by: Ocham's Blazer at May 02, 2014 04:25 PM (79pwn)

356 "The comments made by our former community manager stand in stark contrast to our values as a game development studio. " Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, you un-American pricks.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at May 02, 2014 04:25 PM (jOKH1)

357 I've been predicting shooting between right and left by 2020. I'm sticking with that. I tend to agree with whomever upthread mentioned that one day soon, somebody's going to seriously lose their shit over something like this. The result won't be pretty.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 02, 2014 04:25 PM (0HooB)

358 Military medals

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2014 04:26 PM (oMKp3)

359 I say fire them all. Boy, did I make a killing in pork belly futures today.

Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at May 02, 2014 04:26 PM (Dwehj)

360 I once gave felactio to a whole group of strawmen once. I was drunk. But dude, that was two years ago.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:26 PM (evN+i)

361 328 If I worked for a Jewish school and I tweeted Hitler was actually a kind of cool guy...how many minutes do you think it would be before I got fired? I have every right to say something like that, but I don't have the guarantee that my right won't cause me my job. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:17 PM (0LHZx) Where does the guy say Sterling is a cool guy?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 02, 2014 04:27 PM (oFCZn)

362 I just assumed he made a disparaging remark about console  gamers

Posted by: Jean at May 02, 2014 04:27 PM (Aqvh6)

363 I'll be keeping an eye on you.

Posted by: Governor Le Petomaine at May 02, 2014 04:27 PM (30eLQ)

364 he didn't tweet this as a private citizen, he tweeted this as a representative of his company. It's no different than using a computer at work to surf porn and getting fired for it. You're not getting fired for looking at porn, you're getting fired for looking at porn WHILE AT WORK.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:27 PM (0LHZx)

365 @ 354 RWC "I hated the sister with no mouth." You obvsiouly didn't grow up with sisters.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:28 PM (evN+i)

366 Hitler has been mentioned. And in reference to the free speech advocate. America is dead. Long live Oceania.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 04:28 PM (HJcb1)

367 Posted by: Ocham's Bl@zer at May 02, 2014 08:25 PM (79pwn) Whu... Uh... Buh... Vuh...

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 02, 2014 04:28 PM (30eLQ)

368 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:27 PM (0LHZx) Howsthatnow? His personal twitter is now a representative account of the company?!

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 02, 2014 04:28 PM (HDwDg)

369 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:27 PM (0LHZx) Unsmite all posts from (0LHZx) AoSIgnoreUser ftw.

Posted by: toby928© at May 02, 2014 04:28 PM (QupBk)

370 off sock

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at May 02, 2014 04:29 PM (evN+i)

371 367 he didn't tweet this as a private citizen, he tweeted this as a representative of his company. It's no different than using a computer at work to surf porn and getting fired for it. You're not getting fired for looking at porn, you're getting fired for looking at porn WHILE AT WORK. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:27 PM (0LHZx) So where does that guy say that Sterling is a cool guy?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 02, 2014 04:29 PM (oFCZn)

372 Where does the guy say Sterling is a cool guy? Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 02, 2014 08:27 PM (oFCZn) ___________ He said "not a monster". You're parsing words now. The point is he was defending Sterling as a representative of the company. And he got fired because I assume the company doesn't appreciate having it's chief PR spokesman defending a guy universally loathed. Seriously, it's not that hard to connect the dots here.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:30 PM (0LHZx)

373 I've cornered the contrarian market.

Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at May 02, 2014 04:30 PM (Dwehj)

374 346 I've been predicting shooting between right and left by 2020. I'm sticking with that. Posted by: GMan at May 02, 2014 08:23 PM (aGC0F) I honestly thought it would start in 2009. When you have half of the population trying to ram Communism down the throats of the other half, it can't possibly not end in bloodshed, one way or another.

Posted by: rickl at May 02, 2014 04:31 PM (sdi6R)

375 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:30 PM (0LHZx) I dunno, in the context of "he's a bigot" I think the take home from "not a monster" is "calm the fuck down, dudes and old racist, just let him be."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 02, 2014 04:31 PM (HDwDg)

376 Tie game

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2014 04:31 PM (oMKp3)

377 358 - I'm not wearing the ribbon....

Posted by: Cosmo Kramer at May 02, 2014 04:31 PM (VlnS3)

378 Pens tie it 2-2

Posted by: logprof at May 02, 2014 04:31 PM (GW/jL)

379 His personal twitter is now a representative account of the company?! Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at May 02, 2014 08:28 PM (HDwDg) __________ You think his 142K followers wee following him because they want to know what he eats for lunch every day or because they want to know what his company is up to? I'll bet you a lot of worthless US dollars, on his twitter profile it said his job title and his employer.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:31 PM (0LHZx)

380 My grandfather was Army Air Corps in WWII.  Waist gunner on a B-25, as well as a mechanic and ferry pilot (from base to base).

Usually, when ferrying aircraft, they were stripped. No defensive armament.

He was shot down over the Philippines. Woke up in South Carolina 6 months later.  Was the only one to live.

That man knew more off-color jokes than I can even remember. Yet one of his favorite acquaintances was the only black man who lived in our very very small town.  Had nothing but good things to say about the man.

So, this guy, this fundamentally decent guy who said a fair share of un-PC things in private, when among family and friends, should be posthumously stripped of any honor.  You know, to meet the same standards that the left would impose on all of us.

Bullshit.  They can piss up a rope. 

Posted by: grognard at May 02, 2014 04:32 PM (t5lML)

381 Goal under review

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2014 04:32 PM (oMKp3)

382 Tie game Between the Bovines and the Strawmen? Because I dunno, Mr Moo Moo alone has been knockin' 'em flat with his methanical emissions.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 02, 2014 04:32 PM (30eLQ)

383 "You guys are missing the point. You should know that tweeting about segregation and Sterling while defending Sterling is going to get you in hot water." You're missing the point. He wasn't *defending* Sterling! Honest to dog! The *point* is that it is not enough to condemn someone for doing the wrong thing, you've got to be part of the mob as well. If I say about the rape arrests at my university... "Due process is important, and 'innocent until proven guilty is important'" am I defending RAPE? By your standards, yes... I suppose I would be. Unfortunately, lots of people think that way and I know they think that way and so when I'm talking with a lady I know who is wailing and lamenting that the school has not already taken action and thrown these students out *already* since they've been arrested by real cops (and how often is *that* a part of a university rape drama?)... I don't say to her... "The presumption of innocence is important in America, because this is America. The men are in jail, they are not on campus, they will have a trial. What more do you want?" I don't say that (past assuring her they aren't on campus anymore) because what more she wants is a torch bearing, pitchfork waving MOB. Screw it.

Posted by: Synova at May 02, 2014 04:32 PM (7/PU+)

384

274  "Can somebody ban this stupid fascist?"

Un-self awareness level: INFINITY

Posted by: Future President Cuckoldra at May 02, 2014 04:32 PM (b7yum)

385 He said "not a monster". You're parsing words now. The point is he was defending Sterling as a representative of the company. And he got fired because I assume the company doesn't appreciate having it's chief PR spokesman defending a guy universally loathed. Seriously, it's not that hard to connect the dots here. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:30 PM (0LHZx) So you think Sterling is a monster? I'll go along with calling him an asshole, but a monster? Really? Is he a serial killer or something?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 02, 2014 04:33 PM (oFCZn)

386 he didn't tweet this as a private citizen, he tweeted this as a representative of his company.

Where are you dreaming any of this up? It's under his name (did you go to the tweet?) so Josh Olin looks pretty "private citizeny" and how do you know it was on company time? Is he supposed to use an alias?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at May 02, 2014 04:33 PM (pgQxn)

387 Goal stands

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2014 04:33 PM (oMKp3)

388 Social media is kind of a disaster.

Posted by: Max Power at May 02, 2014 04:33 PM (q177U)

389 I'll bet you a lot of worthless US dollars, on his twitter profile it said his job title and his employer. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:31 PM (0LHZx) Indeed it does. It also says "My tweets are my own." Which seems to me to be the standard disclaimer in case.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 02, 2014 04:33 PM (HDwDg)

390 This is why the Libertarian candidate will do very well in 2016 and cause the R candidate to garner a measely 35% nationwide. But that's not gonna happen because Rand Paul, if he runs, will run away easily with the R nom. He'll still lose to clinton, though.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at May 02, 2014 04:33 PM (dcmpT)

391 "Anyone who follows me knows my tweets were not in support of Sterling's actions. Rather, they were promoting three core tenets I believe in: 1) The harm sensational media presents to society. 2) The importance and sanctity of your privacy within your own home. And 3) The right to be whatever you want to be as an American, as long as it isn't hurting anyone else. That last point not to be confused with condoning Sterling's actions, which I don't." That evil bastard must burn!!

Posted by: RWC at May 02, 2014 04:34 PM (QeH9j)

392 381 Yay!! Haha

Posted by: loneduck at May 02, 2014 04:35 PM (vbzmm)

393 How many of their workers did the Koch Brothers purge for dissenting from the Koch Brothers' orthodoxy?  I can't remember.

Posted by: The Idea That Dare Not Speak Its Name at May 02, 2014 04:35 PM (YBusZ)

394 Moo Moo - How did you conclude that he was using a company account..., or even company time?

Posted by: Cosmo Kramer at May 02, 2014 04:35 PM (VlnS3)

395 391 Social media is kind of a disaster. Posted by: Max Power at May 02, 2014 08:33 PM (q177U) Yup.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2014 04:35 PM (oMKp3)

396 So, this guy, this fundamentally decent guy who said a fair share of un-PC things in private, when among family and friends, should be posthumously stripped of any honor. You know, to meet the same standards that the left would impose on all of us. Bullshit. They can piss up a rope. Posted by: grognard at May 02, 2014 08:32 PM (t5lML) You're grandfather might be a monster. We'll know for sure soon enough.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 02, 2014 04:35 PM (oFCZn)

397

Being attracted to women is sorta bad huh?


Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at May 02, 2014 04:35 PM (RHQT8)

398 I've cornered the contrarian market. You want argument? That's room 12-A, next door.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 02, 2014 04:36 PM (0HooB)

399 red gravy has always irritated me...it's spaghetti sauce...am I a racist?

Posted by: J. Chevers Loophole at May 02, 2014 04:36 PM (ahBY0)

400 Report from Myrtle Beach - Overcast, a few light sprinkles, many tipsy college students.

Posted by: Cosmo Kramer at May 02, 2014 04:36 PM (VlnS3)

401 I'll go along with calling him an asshole, but a monster? Really?

Is he a serial killer or something?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 02, 2014 08:33 PM (oFCZn)

 

I think racist is ranked worse than serial killers...at least to the left. Stalin the mass murderer is considered a role model.

Posted by: Bruce Lee's Fist at May 02, 2014 04:37 PM (M+evy)

402 Oops. Off with Kramer sock

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 02, 2014 04:37 PM (VlnS3)

403 I may not agree with what he said, but I will fight for your right to say that you will fight for his right to say it.

Posted by: Anachronda at May 02, 2014 04:37 PM (o78gS)

404 "Anyone who follows me knows my tweets were not in support of Sterling's actions. Rather, they were promoting three core tenets I believe in: 1) The harm sensational media presents to society. 2) The importance and sanctity of your privacy within your own home. And 3) The right to be whatever you want to be as an American, as long as it isn't hurting anyone else. That last point not to be confused with condoning Sterling's actions, which I don't." Obviously we all outrage by this clear example of hate speech. We recommend Mr. Olin be fired, his bank accounts seized and donated to the NAACP, and for him to be blacklisted from any federal student or home loan programs in the future. Truly monstrous.

Posted by: Southern Law Poverty Center at May 02, 2014 04:37 PM (ZPrif)

405 If I say about the rape arrests at my university... "Due process is important, and 'innocent until proven guilty is important'" am I defending RAPE? By your standards, yes... I suppose I would be. ____________ It's not my standard dude. I didn't make the rules. But I would know that if a few days after a string of rapes happned and everyone is calling for the rapist's head, if I went out and said whoa, hold on, let's give this guy a break and not condemn him, I shouldn't be surprised if everyone now thinks I'm an asshole. I like in the pragmatic world. In that world, you learn that sometimes it's best to shut up and not say the first thing that pops into your head.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 04:37 PM (0LHZx)

406 Fuk mor chikin.

Posted by: Moo Moo, holding a handpainted sign at May 02, 2014 04:38 PM (Q2bPn)

407 "My tweets are my own."

But mine are epic.

Posted by: Jen Psocki at May 02, 2014 04:38 PM (Dwehj)

408 299 I, for one, can't wait until the pendulum swings back in the other direction, ..... Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 02, 2014 08:13 PM (0HooB) ------------------------ There is no reason to believe that it will swing back. We can hope so, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 02, 2014 04:38 PM (dfYL9)

409
Seems this should effect the Twitter stock price or at least require some mention in the prospectus.

Maybe a warning label.  Like on cigarettes:

"Using Twitter's service in exactly the way it is intended may cost you your job."

Posted by: Ivan Blutarsky at May 02, 2014 04:38 PM (YBusZ)

410 It's his personal account -- as evidenced by the fact Olin still has it after being fired.

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at May 02, 2014 04:38 PM (ZPrif)

411 I like in the pragmatic world. In that world, you learn that sometimes it's best to shut up and not say the first thing that pops into your head. A man saying people have the right to free speech in private is not a bad thing. Ever.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 04:39 PM (uhAkr)

412 Anyone who follows me knows my tweets were not in support of Sterling's actions. Rather, they were promoting three core tenets I believe in: 1) The harm sensational media presents to society. 2) The importance and sanctity of your privacy within your own home. And 3) The right to be whatever you want to be as an American, as long as it isn't hurting anyone else. That last point not to be confused with condoning Sterling's actions, which I don't." I, for one, am disgustipated.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2014 04:39 PM (oMKp3)

413 The primates are running the asylums. I'm purging Turtle Rock games. Hit'em where it hurts, or they will never stop.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 02, 2014 04:40 PM (IXrOn)

414 I like in the pragmatic world. In that world, you learn that sometimes it's best to shut up and not say the first thing that pops into your head. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:37 PM (0LHZx) Standing up and saying what is right and true is never wrong. It can also be extremely difficult. That is no reason to throw it into the gutter.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 02, 2014 04:40 PM (oFCZn)

415 There is no reason to believe that it will swing back. We can hope so, but I wouldn't bet on it. It sure seems that way. It's been swinging for a long, long time in one direction. At some point, reality must intrude.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 02, 2014 04:40 PM (0HooB)

416 Sure, Moo Moo... none of your own actions or thoughts have to do with you, because you didn't make the rules. And you can't separate the concept of defending a person and their actions and defending principles of free speech, privacy, or (as in my example) due process. Because defending principles of privacy is *exactly the same* as defending someone's bad behavior. Also... glad to know you agree with the rules that I have a right to shut up, and no other rights at all.

Posted by: Synova at May 02, 2014 04:40 PM (7/PU+)

417 382 His personal twitter is now a representative account of the company?!
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at May 02, 2014 08:28 PM (HDwDg)

__________

You think his 142K followers wee following him because they want to know what he eats for lunch every day or because they want to know what his company is up to?

I'll bet you a lot of worthless US dollars, on his twitter profile it said his job title and his employer.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:31 PM (0LHZx)

++++

Move them goal posts! They're just too inconvenient where they are.

You had a point when you said:

The point is he was defending Sterling as a representative of the company. And he got fired because I assume the company doesn't appreciate having it's chief PR spokesman defending a guy universally loathed.

Or, at least you would have had a point if he had been using a company account to send out his commentary. But, he was using a personal account, mooting your point:
http://tinyurl.com/kvz3r8n

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 02, 2014 04:41 PM (IN7k+)

418 You're grandfather might be a monster. We'll know for sure soon enough.



It is at times like this when I am glad he is at peace.  I hope he is. 

He did see Obama for what he is, however.  He very clearly was disgusted that America was voting for what it had always fought against, by the very children and grandchildren of those that did the fighting.

He asked simply, "Why did so many people who did the fighting forget to teach their kids why we did it?"




Posted by: grognard at May 02, 2014 04:41 PM (t5lML)

419 Free Mumia t-shirts are righteous though!

Posted by: Hadoop at May 02, 2014 04:41 PM (Ph479)

420 Sharyl Atkisson just posted on Facebook that, "technology permitting", she'll be posting a new Bemghazi piece shortly.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2014 04:42 PM (ZshNr)

421 "I like in the pragmatic world. In that world, you learn that sometimes it's best to shut up and not say the first thing that pops into your head." Now that's funny!

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at May 02, 2014 04:42 PM (evN+i)

422 Standing up and saying what is right and true is never wrong. ^This, times eleventy zillion.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 02, 2014 04:43 PM (0HooB)

423 Sharyl Atkisson just posted on Facebook that, "technology permitting", she'll be posting a new Bemghazi piece shortly. Technology? Like a Warp Core or time travel?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 04:43 PM (uhAkr)

424 For those keeping score, and to be fair, the head of the Los Angeles NAACP denounced himself and resigned for the sin of having failed to foresee Sterling's private remarks. 

Oh, and he gave Sterling a NAACP civil rights award.

His train for the re-education camps departed immediately thereafter.


Posted by: Powderhouse Rules at May 02, 2014 04:43 PM (YBusZ)

425

 mooting your point:

...or mooing your point. Pretty much the same

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 02, 2014 04:43 PM (VlnS3)

426 I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say to me bounces off me and sticks to you! Yeah, life was better when this was the accepted response to people who said mean things.

Posted by: Damiano at May 02, 2014 04:43 PM (j0wOO)

427 299 I, for one, can't wait until the pendulum swings back in the other direction, ..... Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 02, 2014 08:13 PM (0HooB) Anybody who espouses socialist or Marxist views should be unemployable in America. They should be reduced to begging on street corners and having passersby spit in their faces. Eliminate government financial aid and that could yet come to pass. Colleges would have to lower tuition rates to what students could actually pay out of pocket, and that would force them to cut loose a lot of dead wood, particularly "studies" professors.

Posted by: rickl at May 02, 2014 04:45 PM (sdi6R)

428 Discretion had best depart those of pallor

Posted by: Silence means consent at May 02, 2014 04:45 PM (wu/TK)

429 Moo Moo, you should get fitted for a red kerchief


and the Lenin pin ( can't forget that, comrade )

Posted by: Milly ( Millicent ) Twattenburger, State Dept Spokesperson at May 02, 2014 04:45 PM (JyjXt)

430 Am I racist if I don't agree with your morality that disregards the Golden Rule?

Posted by: J. Chevers Loophole at May 02, 2014 04:45 PM (ahBY0)

431 I haven't had a chance to read any of the comments. But this is my two cents... It does no good to deny you are a racist if accused of such by the left. First, how can you prove or disprove something like that? Very tough in most cases. Second, even if you prove in your case that you aren't a racist in one instance, just acknowledging the legitimacy of the charge legitimizes it for use against others. The only response to accusations of being a racist should be the following... "So what?"

Posted by: Taco Shack at May 02, 2014 04:45 PM (C+qQ0)

432 How long before retweeting someone else's tweet gets you branded as an endorser of the tweet?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2014 04:45 PM (DmNpO)

433

 "technology permitting",

 

Presumably that means, "assuming I'm not hacked, or arrested, and that NSA doesn't perform a premptive intercept."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 02, 2014 04:45 PM (VlnS3)

434 423 Sharyl Atkisson just posted on Facebook that, "technology permitting", she'll be posting a new Bemghazi piece shortly. Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2014 08:42 PM (ZshNr) I sense a server crash coming. Lots of server crashes.

Posted by: NSA at May 02, 2014 04:45 PM (j0wOO)

435 I like in the pragmatic world. In that world, you learn that sometimes it's best to shut up and not say the first thing that pops into your head.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:37 PM (0LHZx)



The fact that people speak out for due process and the constitutional rights of the accused is EXACTLY the reason why the Duke lacrosse players are not in prison today.

If everyone kept their mouths shut due to the irrational insensitivity of a bunch of idiots, people wouldn't have their rights.  They'd be convicted by the mob while you stayed pragmatic.

In my world, this is called being a coward.

Posted by: grognard at May 02, 2014 04:46 PM (t5lML)

436 I like in the pragmatic world. In that world, you learn that sometimes it's best to shut up and not say the first thing that pops into your head. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2014 08:37 PM (0LHZx) ********** I'm sure you missed the incredible irony in this statement, given your posting style. Buttons.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 02, 2014 04:46 PM (ojnk6)

437 I need a butterscotch. Somebody go find my purse.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2014 04:47 PM (oMKp3)

438 Technology? Like a Warp Core or time travel? *** She's been having trouble with her computer again. The last time she had trouble she had been hacked.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2014 04:47 PM (DmNpO)

439 How long before retweeting someone else's tweet gets you branded as an endorser of the tweet?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's

------------------

All of your actions will judged politically. All.

Posted by: The Kommissariat at May 02, 2014 04:47 PM (VlnS3)

440 As someday it will happen that a victim must be found
We've got a little list
We've got a little list

(To which most Americans shrug and respond):
And they'll none of them be missed;
they'll none of them be missed!

Posted by: SPLC and Mass Media at May 02, 2014 04:48 PM (jnG1p)

441 So, as a racist, (btw we all are) I don't have the right to exist?

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 02, 2014 04:48 PM (V70Uh)

442 Presumably that means, "assuming I'm not hacked, or arrested, and that NSA doesn't perform a premptive intercept." *** Ding! Ding!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2014 04:48 PM (DmNpO)

443 Not because being a racist is good. But because something like that which lurks in mens hearts can never really be proven or disproven. And is impossible to erase from our hearts as lust, envy, hate, greed, etc. The only think we can realistically do is try to control our actions. Let's say you hate minorities. Fine. Nothing can be done about that. Just don't violate the law because of it.

Posted by: Taco Shack at May 02, 2014 04:48 PM (C+qQ0)

444 Pretty soon you'll be fired for facial expressions.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 02, 2014 04:48 PM (IXrOn)

445

Trying to figure out where this slippery slope goes.

Can an employer scrutinize the employee's tweets and fire any who confess to voting for candidates and issues the employer disapproves of?

Posted by: Powderhouse Rules at May 02, 2014 04:49 PM (YBusZ)

446 All the good things in life came about because people remained silent in the face of the howling mob.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 02, 2014 04:49 PM (oFCZn)

447 Un-self awareness level: INFINITY Yeah, see...I am aware of it. Everybody arguing that people have the freedom to destroy your life need to learn why a society can't function that way.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 02, 2014 04:49 PM (uhAkr)

448 447 Pretty soon you'll be fired for facial expressions. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 02, 2014 08:48 PM (IXrOn) Don't you roll your eyes at ME, missy!

Posted by: grammie winger at May 02, 2014 04:50 PM (oMKp3)

449 Did I mention the organization I wanted to form "Infidels Anonomis"? We are all Immanuel Goldstein.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 02, 2014 04:50 PM (V70Uh)

450 Pretty soon you'll be fired for facial expressions.

Uh, oh.

Posted by: First Lady 404 at May 02, 2014 04:50 PM (Dwehj)

451

Standing up and saying what is right and true is never wrong.

 

Yeah, but the Leftists think that's what they are doing.

 

They have redefined "what is right and true".

 

They think that 'Climate Change Deniers' should be put in jail...or worse.

 
 

According to the Left, they are the ones who get to decide "what is right and true".

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2014 04:50 PM (l/M30)

452 Fen's Law: The Left doesn't really believe in their shit.

Posted by: Volraire at May 02, 2014 04:51 PM (V70Uh)

453 She's been having trouble with her computer again. The last time she had trouble she had been hacked. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2014 08:47 PM (DmNpO) She's free to use mine. I'll even throw in a back rub and some drinks.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 02, 2014 04:51 PM (oFCZn)

454 This is one advantage of the Left. Many more on the Left use their real names advancing their agendas of Socialism, their racist mantras about White Privilege, etc, etc. Meanwhile the Right is increasingly forced to shut up or hide under fake names to protect our families and livelihoods.

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at May 02, 2014 04:51 PM (ZPrif)

455 Anyone who would stand idly by, being "pragmatic," while the mob convicts a person without due process, is guilty of enabling that behavior.

Olin showed a lot of courage and paid for it. As most courageous people eventually have to do.  Likely, we'll all have to pay the toll for standing up for what we believe someday.

Unless you're a coward and allow people's lives to be ruined to avoid upsetting the sensibilities of the fascists.  Then I'm sure you'll get along just fine.

Posted by: grognard at May 02, 2014 04:51 PM (t5lML)

456 Who is John Galt? Seriously. Someone gets fired for this? Everyone working for that company should quit.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 02, 2014 04:53 PM (V70Uh)

457 OK, First Amendmenters, my little G'Dette is here. She's already talking about bacon for breakfast tomorrow. Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 02, 2014 04:53 PM (0HooB)

458 You gotta pay the Troll Toll If You Wanna Get Into That Boy's Hole

Posted by: Frank at May 02, 2014 04:53 PM (ZPrif)

459   438 The fact that people speak out for due process and the constitutional rights of the accused is EXACTLY the reason why the Duke lacrosse players are not in prison today....

***

Not so fast.  The fact the Duke lacrosse players were affluent and could afford first class legal counsel had a lot more to do with keeping those kids out of jail than high falutin' abstractions like speaking out for due process and the constitution. 

Way too much to do with it for my comfort.

Posted by: Powderhouse Rules at May 02, 2014 04:54 PM (YBusZ)

460 >>>Eliminate government financial aid and that could yet come to pass. Colleges would have to lower tuition rates to what students could actually pay out of pocket, and that would force them to cut loose a lot of dead wood, particularly "studies" professors. Posted by: rickl at May 02, 2014 08:45 PM (sdi6R) THIS!!! x1 trillion I can live with scholarships. The United Negro College Fund and La Raza can keep handing out their racist money. There is no excuse for government subsidies, grants, or funding of any kind to any college. Oh sure, lots of precious little snowflakes wouldn't be able to afford college... and instead of sucking the government tit for 4- 10+ years, they'd have to go get a job and learn a useful trade. This one action alone could solve countless economic, employment, growth, cost, tax, and regulatory issues almost immediately, not to mention the social plagues.

Posted by: Damiano at May 02, 2014 04:54 PM (j0wOO)

461 Why even bother to tweet that at all? If you're a high visibility guy at the company you gotta know that people aren't going to disassociate your opinions/words from the company. He might be right as rain, but it was a pretty stupid thing to do. And if Turtle Rock is an at will employer, they have every right to shit can him as much as he has a right to say what he wants.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 02, 2014 04:54 PM (GwLJQ)

462 All the good things in life came about because people remained silent in the face of the howling mob. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 02, 2014 08:49 PM (oFCZn) Because pragmatism.

Posted by: Synova at May 02, 2014 04:55 PM (7/PU+)

463 meerkats!!!!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2014 04:56 PM (DmNpO)

464 It's the new Mob Culture. When you first saw the mobs ransacking stores and stealing the goods, and not getting caught/punished, you knew it would only get worse. It has. The store invasions were tribal and feral. Now, the corporate tribes. The "org" tribes. Even Hollywood is a tribe.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 02, 2014 04:56 PM (IXrOn)

465 Thank G_d we can still laugh and joke about Ashley Judd's puffy face.  I mean, Dude, that would be like Pearl Harbor and shit.

Posted by: Fritz at May 02, 2014 04:56 PM (oJUxt)

466 457.  Exactly.

Yet, without exception, lefties believe themselves to be constantly victimized by the right.

I knew a conservative who worked in administration at a large midwestern state university.  He used to say that: "there is not a gay man alive with anything to tell me about being closeted at work."

Posted by: Powderhouse Rules at May 02, 2014 04:57 PM (YBusZ)

467 Seriously. Someone gets fired for this? Everyone working for that company should quit.

Not knowing if you can get another job is a powerful incentive to keep your mouth shut, especially in this economy. That's what these fascist are counting on.

Posted by: Hadoop at May 02, 2014 04:57 PM (Ph479)

468 Way too much to do with it for my comfort. Posted by: Powderhouse Rules at May 02, 2014 08:54 PM (YBusZ) ********** Yeah, Nifong's overreach and attempted flat out obstruction of justice had nothing to do with their being acquitted and winning defamation suits.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 02, 2014 04:57 PM (ojnk6)

469 "Why even bother to tweet that at all? If you're a high visibility guy at the company you gotta know that people aren't going to disassociate your opinions/words from the company. He might be right as rain, but it was a pretty stupid thing to do. And if Turtle Rock is an at will employer, they have every right to shit can him as much as he has a right to say what he wants." And lets give everyone this advice and hope to win on any issue whatsoever in a society where everyone on our side fears defending their views. You are pathetic.

Posted by: Evan Dickinson at May 02, 2014 04:59 PM (ZEvLv)

470
Not so fast. The fact the Duke lacrosse players were affluent and could afford first class legal counsel had a lot more to do with keeping those kids out of jail than high falutin' abstractions like speaking out for due process and the constitution.

Way too much to do with it for my comfort.

Posted by: Powderhouse Rules at May 02, 2014 08:54 PM (YBusZ)



While I think you have a point, I would also like to point out George Zimmerman.  Someone not affluent by any means.

Speaking out for due process is exactly what saved him - in the form of a LOT of people contributing to his legal defense.

Posted by: grognard at May 02, 2014 05:01 PM (t5lML)

471 And lets give everyone this advice and hope to win on any issue whatsoever in a society where everyone on our side fears defending their views.

You are pathetic.

Eats Kaboom right out of the box!

Posted by: Hadoop at May 02, 2014 05:01 PM (Ph479)

472 464.   Actually, most states have an exception to the "at will" employment doctrine that makes it unlawful to terminate an employee when doing so violates public policy.   Seems this is an excellent case to apply and extend that doctrine.

Posted by: Powderhouse Rules at May 02, 2014 05:02 PM (YBusZ)

473 You can sue for wrongful termination in an At Will employment state.

Posted by: Hadoop at May 02, 2014 05:04 PM (Ph479)

474 I just ordered an 'authentic' revolutionary war era tri-corne hat...one size fits most. I'm concerned, with my bit ol' melon head, it'll be too small. Maybe if I purged some of my hate thoughts it would fit. But then, what would be the point?

Posted by: Spun and Murky at May 02, 2014 05:04 PM (4DCSq)

475 On almost every conservative view society vilifies it so almost everywhere conservatives have to be closeted. WE watch conservative media and read conservatives books and expect the information we receive from it to magically move from said media to people who don't watch it. We expect, in this environment, to have a fair shot at every issue but SHOCKINGLY we lose on almost every issue. Unfortunately the conservative pixie's aren't visiting people who aren't conservative every night and giving them the arguments and information we are terrified to give them.

Posted by: Evan Dickinson at May 02, 2014 05:06 PM (ZEvLv)

476 There is a level of morality accepted in certain groups of people that I do not agree with. Am I racist?

Posted by: J. Chevers Loophole at May 02, 2014 05:07 PM (ahBY0)

477 473.    Zimmerman had some high powered legal counsel too.  Certainly not the public defender.

Posted by: Powderhouse Rules at May 02, 2014 05:08 PM (YBusZ)

478 I assume that if the "former community manager" said, "Sterling should be murdered" or "I'm glad he has cancer" he'd probably be given a raise.

Posted by: Null at May 02, 2014 05:10 PM (xjpRj)

479 Powderhouse Rules at May 02, 2014 09:08 PM (YBusZ) ********* It's clear that you have a problem with people who hire the best legal talent they can bet, as is their right. Why?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 02, 2014 05:11 PM (ojnk6)

480 473. Zimmerman had some high powered legal counsel too. Certainly not the public defender.

Posted by: Powderhouse Rules at May 02, 2014 09:08 PM (YBusZ)


True.  But there's a reason he was able to retain O'Mara, et.al.

Certainly not his own resources.  People saw he was being railroaded, and stepped up.

Unfortunately this happens all too often when no one is aware of it.  But at least when the racial grievance-mongers attempt to burn someone at the stake, and enough people find out about it, they can still stand in the way.

For now.

Posted by: grognard at May 02, 2014 05:11 PM (t5lML)

481 421 ... He very clearly was disgusted that America was voting for what it had always fought against, by the very children and grandchildren of those that did the fighting. He asked simply, "Why did so many people who did the fighting forget to teach their kids why we did it?" Posted by: grognard**********************************Thoughts like these occured to me viewing a B-25 & a B-17 on display today here in Van Nuys... such small offices to conduct such a mighty work in. What do the guys who crewed those birds think about the country as it stands today that they sacrificed for?

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at May 02, 2014 05:17 PM (uopHF)

482 @484: "What do the guys who crewed those birds think about the country as it stands today that they sacrificed for?"

Given that their generation cheered Roosevelt and voted in a lot of the shit that killed the country (and the pols who sponsored it), they can't be overly pissed about it.  They may not like where we've ended up, but they were a big part of getting us here.


Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at May 02, 2014 05:25 PM (jnG1p)

483 Turtle Rock is catching hell on their facebook page. See if they reverse course.

Posted by: mh53j at May 02, 2014 05:27 PM (ey1aD)

484 "Turtle Rock is catching hell on their facebook page. See if they reverse course." Funny thing is, if they reverse course on this there will be another massive backlash.

Posted by: Evan Dickinson at May 02, 2014 05:29 PM (ZEvLv)

485 I've left a nugget on their page.  fuck 'em

Posted by: GMan at May 02, 2014 05:32 PM (aGC0F)

486 Judging from what I take to be the employee group picture, the impeccably PC Turtle Rock appears to have no black people working for it.


Posted by: Powderhouse Rules at May 02, 2014 05:48 PM (YBusZ)

487 Social media is kind of a disaster. Only because there's an army of PC assholes always at the ready, waiting for a chance to mount an attack against anyone that says something they disagree with.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at May 02, 2014 05:53 PM (jOKH1)

488 Funny thing is, if they reverse course on this there will be another massive backlash. That's their fault for being too quick on the draw. Sometimes being among the first isn't necessarily a good thing...

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at May 02, 2014 06:26 PM (jOKH1)

489 First they came for the Jews....

Posted by: Mekan at May 02, 2014 06:41 PM (zG16+)

490 @469 Powderhouse Rules "I knew a conservative who worked in administration at a large midwestern state university. He used to say that: "there is not a gay man alive with anything to tell me about being closeted at work." I dated a closeted conservative grad student at OSU from the humanities in 95'. She told me that "there is only 1 white guy in the whole department and he is gay." The whole "hate the white straight guy" meme is decades old. And boring.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at May 02, 2014 06:42 PM (VlOrL)

491 It used to be before the days of the internet that the common employee had only the opportunity to say non PC things at either the company party or directly to a customer. Today, with the advent of the internet, Twitter, and Facebook, they now have the same platform as if they were standing on the courthouse steps or were taking out a full page ad in a newspaper. I agree that what this gaming company did is complete chicken shit and mob mentality. But if you are high profile with a company, putting your "views" out there for all to see can be in direct conflict with your company and it is their right to fire you. What that tells us is what it is that Turtles and Co. value. Getting along with the group, whatever latest PC is trending, etc. Everyone must be in lockstep thinking with everyone else. Exactly what one would expect from a group that caters to 14 year olds....

Posted by: Jen at May 02, 2014 06:46 PM (I+pAz)

492 #494--Good points, some of us forget that the Net & social media now enable the views--which can be easily distorted or cartoonized-- of an identified employee (or executive) to be permanently affixed to a company, so companies may appear to be going nuclear when they see no real alternative, other than accepting a boiling stew of customer base.  This is a very underappreciated & troubling aspect of the Net age.  As I tried to say wayyyy earlier tonight, this guy at TurtleRock cd be cartoonized--unfairly but "accurately" as having "called racist philanderer Donald Sterling a 'victim.'"

The guy's tweets were OBVIOUSLY not in that spirit, but in a competitive industry, who needs to take time to explain to a [probably Astro-turfed] customer cohort the finer points of his argument?

Back in the pre-Net day, no-one's views wd ever be in the public domain unless they were a public figure.  EXCEPT...Once in a great while, one of us plebes wd experience the awesome experience of...GETTING A LETTER PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER!!  A moment in the arena!!  BUT...Your employer was never identified.  There was no Net for activists to triangulate you & mobilize against your employer.  The letter was usually edited down to some bland pabulum, in any case...In 24 hours, your glittering comments went down the memory hole, where your boss & co-workers cdn't care less!

When I started on the Net 20+ years ago, I didn't use my real name.  One day, in a moderated forum, a Muslim guy said he'd "put a bullet in my head"--the liberal moderator did nothing. This taught me that, unless you are a professional opinion-monger, that controversial views aired in public may be dangerous if even 1 sick person out there--Kimberlin, maybe?-- can determine where you live, or work.  But that was before the era of these cyber lynch-mobs, which add a whole new dimension.

I guess the lesson here is, if you wish to make a strong stand against a mob opinion today, you need to at least detach from your employer.  If you're self-employed, factor in a boycott possibility.  Don't be blind-sided.  And, I wd respectfully repeat, don't refer to a self-defined cartoonish billionaire philandering jackass like Donald Sterling as a "victim." You're just asking for trouble.

Oh, and a couple of points for the legally-inclined folks out there on Sterling:
1--He who seeks equity must come with clean hands.
2--Yes, he was probably taped unlawfully, but he shd be smart enough to remember the rule of "the unreliable ear."  So maybe his ho gets a tap on the wrist, but he loses his franchise? Idiot. And the conversation is with his mistress, while he is still married.  No equity for him, sorry.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 02, 2014 08:21 PM (I7p2r)

493 A veritable orgy of political correctness has descended upon the land. It's getting dark out there.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at May 03, 2014 03:48 AM (wdHk6)

494 I don't like the way you feel about this issue. You are contrary to most of the posters on my favorite blog. Therefore, you are fired

Posted by: moo moo's boss at May 03, 2014 09:56 AM (4Ak99)

495 Solution to this front of the culture war: Download free copies of their games and/or movies on sites like the Pirate Bay.

Posted by: ockurts at May 03, 2014 09:22 PM (TH2V7)

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