January 07, 2014

Senator Ron Johnson To Sue Government Into Lawless Enforcement of Obamacare
— Ace

He's specificlly suing over one of the many lawless "interpretations' of the law -- the special, illegal treatment that Congressmen and their staffs are receiving.

But who knows. Maybe we can get this rolling into a general suit about the illegal Enabling Act we call Obamacare.

Only members of Congress and their staff, when they lose their employee sponsored care, will have the ability to have their employers make a tax advantage contribution to their healthcare plan. That's the special treatment. That's completely unfair and completely unjust."

"The law as it has been written is being ignored," explained Johnson.

"This is the law of the land. If members of Congress and the administration don't like the law of the land, they should come to Congress to change the law of the land. They should not change it by presidential decree or presidential fiat."

In addition to basic fairness, Sen. Johnson said the lawsuit has the intention of "providing a long overdue check on presidential power."

Hear, hear.

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1 Senator Ron Johnson

Wisconsin. 

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 08:57 AM (P6QsQ)

2 "The law as it has been written is being ignored," explained Johnson.

"This is the law of the land. If members of Congress and the administration don't like the law of the land, they should come to Congress to change the law of the land. They should not change it by presidential decree or presidential fiat."

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Finally, someone has the gumption to say the obvious.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 08:58 AM (P6QsQ)

3 He's so cute, thinking this administration cares one whit about the law.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 07, 2014 08:58 AM (0HooB)

4 I hope this goes somewhere.

Posted by: EC at January 07, 2014 08:59 AM (GQ8sn)

5 ~ tap tap tap tap tap ~ ... so Hadji says to his doctor "Hadji does not turn his head" and that is when ... wait, this microphone? It is on? Yes? and so. Hello! It is I, Hadji, the comic with the schtick that could make you sick - if you do not laugh. From where Hadji stands none of you want to get sick in the United States. So laugh. What is the difference between ObamaCare and Life Itself? Life ends. thank you thank you thank you You have been an audience. -

Posted by: Hadji the Muslim Comic at January 07, 2014 08:59 AM (NQyj0)

6

What a retard!

 

 

Posted by: burt at January 07, 2014 08:59 AM (1+kJ5)

7 "I really do believe that the American people expect, and they have every right to expect, that members of Congress and the political class here in Washington should be fully subject to all of the rules, all of the laws, that Congress imposes on the rest of America."


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Please note.  This man is not a lawyer.  He is a CPA and small business owner.  Normal people get this. 

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 09:00 AM (P6QsQ)

8 Ron Johnson > Jharles Chonson

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 07, 2014 09:00 AM (7ObY1)

9 Rivvid!

Posted by: Gabby Johnson at January 07, 2014 09:00 AM (8ZskC)

10 9 Rivvid! Say hello to the nice people, Chatty Gabby

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 07, 2014 09:01 AM (7ObY1)

11 It's a good thing we have lawyers.
Just think of the mess we would be in without lawyers.

Posted by: Honest Dave Bolls at January 07, 2014 09:01 AM (Nvd6O)

12 Illegal? Lawless? I'll be the judge of that. No, literally. I've just named myself Supreme Justice-at-Large.

Posted by: Barack H. Obama, Esq. at January 07, 2014 09:01 AM (FcR7P)

13 This is exactly what we have to do, keep the argument open and ongoing, attack from multiple angles, make the opposition defend failure. If this gets dismissed, try, try again.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 07, 2014 09:01 AM (ZshNr)

14

Damn straight!

 

I would like to believe this will have an effect.  If it doesn't, then we    are  truly a nation    without laws.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 09:02 AM (4df7R)

15 Yeah, this'll go somewhere. For me to poop on.

Posted by: John Roberts at January 07, 2014 09:02 AM (hHFOx)

16 It begins.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2014 09:02 AM (g1DWB)

17 Please note. This man is not a lawyer. He is a CPA and small business owner. Normal people get this. Cue "See, he's not an expert! What does he know??!!" from the Leftards in 3..2..1...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:02 AM (0HooB)

18 That would be cool if his name was Randy Johnson.

Or maybe Randy Penis.  Just to make sure everyone's in on the joke.

Or something.

Posted by: Dang at January 07, 2014 09:02 AM (MNq6o)

19 Good. Something's going to stick, eventually.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 07, 2014 09:02 AM (IXrOn)

20 "This is the law of the land. If members of Congress and the administration don't like the law of the land, they should come to Congress to change the law of the land.


Hold it, men. He's not bluffing.

Posted by: Olson Johnson at January 07, 2014 09:02 AM (8ZskC)

21 Senator Johnson is right!

Posted by: howard johnson at January 07, 2014 09:02 AM (PK+r9)

22 As for criticism from Rep. Sensenbrenner, Johnson said he was disappointed and puzzled by his reaction to the lawsuit.
 
"I don't in any way, shape, or form believe this is trivial, that this is frivolous, that this is a stunt," said Johnson. "This is I think a very important Constitutional question."

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I'm with Ron.  I don't know what the heck Sensenbrenner is shooting his mouth about, and I don't like it.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 09:03 AM (P6QsQ)

23 I agree with the points Senator Johnson was making. //Howard Johnson

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 09:03 AM (8D0/R)

24 My God. We may have found someone with standing. I'll be over on my fainting couch.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 07, 2014 09:03 AM (VtjlW)

25 That's the special treatment. That's completely unfair and completely unjust. Careful, there. That kind of thinking could lead to unhealthy conclusions about the nation's tax code.

Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2014 09:04 AM (FcR7P)

26 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 09:04 AM (PYAXX)

27 Yeah, this is Senator Johnson. No, the other one.

Posted by: Senator Johnson at January 07, 2014 09:04 AM (hHFOx)

28 It's hard to fathom a reason why the GOP hasn't pushing some populist reform. The administration and it's legislation is rife with corrupt backroom cronyism. This privileged exemption for Congress is so blatant it can't be excused under any concept of responsible representation.

Of course, there is the obvious and depressing answer...

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 07, 2014 09:04 AM (dwArK)

29 Something's going to stick, eventually.

You'd really think so, wouldn't you.

Posted by: The Chicken at January 07, 2014 09:04 AM (hHFOx)

30 My God. We may have found someone with standing. I'll be over on my fainting couch.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 07, 2014 01:03 PM (VtjlW)

 

Don't forget Karl and his snuggie!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 09:04 AM (4df7R)

31 What did he say?

Posted by: Harriet Johnson at January 07, 2014 09:05 AM (8ZskC)

32 Please note. This man is not a lawyer. He is a CPA and small business owner. Normal people get this. Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 01:00 PM (P6QsQ) Huh. I didn't know that Senator Johnson was representing himself on this pro se. I wish him well.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 07, 2014 09:05 AM (VtjlW)

33 I don't know what the heck Sensenbrenner is shooting his mouth about, and I don't like it. It all makes sense when you realize that a majority of BOTH parties is really happy with this new setup Barky put together. Unlimited Federal Power? It'll be "their turn" some day...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 09:06 AM (PYAXX)

34 Yeah, sure, he's got standing, whatever. Or maybe not. I'll be in my sauna.

Posted by: John Roberts at January 07, 2014 09:06 AM (hHFOx)

35 Please note. This man is not a lawyer. He is a CPA and small business owner. Normal people get this. It takes a whole lot of law school to believe the system we've built up makes any sense at all. One of the first principles of Just Laws is that you have to know what the law is. That's why ex post facto laws are so awful. If the King can just say "Arrest that man for having yellow shoes on", that's not a just society. But we live in a system where it takes 50 lawyers a week to tell you if the insurance you have is legal. And then Obama changes his mind, and that determination is null and void. That's the textbook definition of tyranny.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 07, 2014 09:06 AM (9PrpA)

36 Was there just a ghost-post about Luntz, or am I nuts?

Posted by: Crankyjanne at January 07, 2014 09:07 AM (DAZSc)

37 Don't forget Karl and his snuggie! Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 01:04 PM (4df7R) I won't! I left you moar Karl in the other thread btw.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 07, 2014 09:07 AM (VtjlW)

38
a fruitless endeavor

Posted by: soothsayer at January 07, 2014 09:07 AM (gYIst)

39 Let's hope they have the stamina to see this all the way through. We all know the left mock the courts, now, and just won't show up if it's not in their favor. I want to see a physical response to this. Cuff 'em and drag them to the courts or jail.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 07, 2014 09:08 AM (IXrOn)

40 "Maybe we can get this rolling into a general suit about the illegal Enabling Act we call Obamacare."

Except it's not just Obamacare. It's also the enormous number of other areas in which Obama completely ignores duly enacted law, essentially nullifying it, in open defiance of the specifically enumerated Constitutional duty of presidents to see that said laws be "faithfully executed".

By now, it ought to be clear to anyone who is paying attention that Obama will continue to reign as an arrogant imperial figure at his own whim, law and Constitution be damned, until he is actively reined in by Congress and/or the courts. Neither of whom appear to have the spines to do so.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 07, 2014 09:09 AM (gqT4g)

41 One of the first principles of Just Laws is that you have to know what the law is. That's why ex post facto laws are so awful. If the King can just say "Arrest that man for having yellow shoes on", that's not a just society. We can't have just anyone understanding the laws under which we live, now can we?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:09 AM (0HooB)

42 Now that TFG has stacked the 1st District Court, I expect this lawsuit to get absolutely nowhere. They'll sit on it long enough that it could hatch and have Mothra pop out.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 07, 2014 09:09 AM (wNF3N)

43 It's about the SCOAMF overstepping his power under The Constitution, he needs to be reigned in, sort of like a wayward dog. I hope Ron Johnson starts a trend. Others have to sue this asministration.

Posted by: Carol at January 07, 2014 09:09 AM (z4WKX)

44 Huh. I didn't know that Senator Johnson was representing himself on this pro se. I wish him well.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 07, 2014 01:05 PM (VtjlW)


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Not meant to demean legal representation.  My point was that this a  guy who has come from the business world of flyover country, not the political/legal class of DC.  He is reflecting the basic values that seem self-evident to normal working stiffs.   Laws should apply to everyone.  No exemptions for the political class.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 09:09 AM (P6QsQ)

45 I won't! I left you moar Karl in the other thread btw.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 07, 2014 01:07 PM (VtjlW)

 

 

WHY ARE YOU SO GOOD TO ME?

 

Karl dancing with his action figure is... *WIN*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 09:10 AM (4df7R)

46 John Roberts makes a good Pez Dispenser.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 07, 2014 09:10 AM (IXrOn)

47 Your move, senator Cruz.

Posted by: Mr. Powerstroke Super Duty 4X4 King Ranch Edition at January 07, 2014 09:10 AM (LSJmV)

48 If the King can just say "Arrest that man for having yellow shoes on", that's not a just society.

Unless it's after Labor Day. Ick.

Posted by: Mega at January 07, 2014 09:11 AM (hHFOx)

49 Seriously, is this law any different than a King randomly picking out people from a crowd and saying "You don't have to pay taxes, for now"?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 07, 2014 09:11 AM (9PrpA)

50 WHY ARE YOU SO GOOD TO ME?  Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 01:10 PM (4df7R)

That's frequently a sign of impending doom.

Jus' sayin'

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:11 AM (6T8Ay)

51 He's specificlly suing over one of the many lawless "interpretations' of the law -- the special, illegal treatment that Congressmen and their staffs are receiving. It will be interesting to see the list of the many lawless "interpretations" of the law. I'm sure they missed a few...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 07, 2014 09:11 AM (IXrOn)

52 It takes a whole lot of law school to believe the system we've built up makes any sense at all. AmishDude, is that you?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 09:11 AM (PYAXX)

53 Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!

Posted by: Obama Administration at January 07, 2014 09:12 AM (j0wOO)

54 Yes, but Sensenbrenner (R) calls it a stunt.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 09:12 AM (BZAd3)

55 Laws that don't apply to everyone equally? Imagine if we passed a law banning guns, but exempted Conservatives.

Posted by: Darth Randall at January 07, 2014 09:12 AM (Zswg6)

56 ...that's an audit.

Posted by: AMDG at January 07, 2014 09:12 AM (t7OO0)

57

Wait.  I see a fly in the soup.  It goes by the name of Eric Holder. 

 

 

Nothing will happen with this, although I applaud the effort of Johnson.   As long as this regime holds power, it'll do as it wishes.

 

And I'm certainly not holding my breath for any outward reaction from the American populace.  We're still too warm and secure.

Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 09:12 AM (PNGtR)

58 "I really do believe that the American people expect, and they have every right to expect, that members of Congress and the political class here in Washington should be fully subject to all of the rules, all of the laws, that Congress imposes on the rest of America." Now THAT was some authentic, frontier gibberish.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 09:13 AM (8D0/R)

59 This will be thrown out as he does not have "standing'... because he can't prove how he is 'damaged' by this... Because this gives him an ADVANTAGE.... he is not damaged... thus no 'standing'.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 09:13 AM (lZBBB)

60 Yes, but Sensenbrenner (R) calls it a stunt.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 01:12 PM (BZAd3)


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What's ironic is that I think Ron Johnson lives in Sensenbrenner's district. 

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 09:13 AM (P6QsQ)

61 I really don't have much to say here. It's doomed to failure (because the courts are as corrupt as the rest of the government), but it's at least nice that *someone* has the stones to stand up and say, "No, this is WRONG."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 09:13 AM (PYAXX)

62 Could be a first step to impeachment, depending on the outcome, if done smartly.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 07, 2014 09:13 AM (IXrOn)

63 Law? I AM the law!

Posted by: Obama Wearing a Judge Dredd Costume and No Pants at January 07, 2014 09:14 AM (j0wOO)

64

Except it's not just Obamacare. It's also the enormous number of other areas in which Obama completely ignores duly enacted law, essentially nullifying it, in open defiance of the specifically enumerated Constitutional duty of presidents to see that said laws be "faithfully executed".

 

Absolutely.   But we need to start somewhere, and this Obammycare fiasco is a very large, very public, very visible example upon which to crucify our Pretender Preezy in Chief.   It would set a precedent.  

 

Not that a precedent should NEED to be set, since there's that whole Constitution    and Bill of Rights    and whatnot that already says this shit's illegal.

 

But nevertheless.   Precedent.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 09:14 AM (4df7R)

65 4 I hope this goes somewhere. Posted by: EC at January 07, 2014 12:59 PM (GQ8sn) It won't, nice try EC

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 07, 2014 09:14 AM (HVff2)

66 It's the law of the land... and if you wait ten minutes it will be a different law of the land.

And remember, they are doing the people's business.

*yaaaakkkk*

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 09:14 AM (BZAd3)

67 "Only members of Congress and their staff, when they lose their employee sponsored care, will have the ability to have their employers make a tax advantage contribution to their healthcare plan. That's the special treatment. That's completely unfair and completely unjust." ***** Maybe here is where they get traction for standing? I think the --Executive--getting to change it "administratively"...didn't they try banging that aspect during the original fight?

Posted by: Hawaii at January 07, 2014 09:14 AM (RJMhd)

68 7----Please note. This man is not a lawyer. Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 01:00 PM (P6QsQ) ---------------------- Ahhhh. So the poor fellow has never been to law school and learned the subtleties of post-modern legal realism and deconstructionist mumbo-jumbo.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 07, 2014 09:15 AM (dfYL9)

69 Accompanied by attorney's Rick Esenberg of the Wisconsin Insitute for Law and Liberty (WILL) and former Solicitor General Paul Clement, Sen. Johnson explained that Congress debated and rejected the ruling that OPM is now attempting to implement.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 07, 2014 09:15 AM (IXrOn)

70 Unless it's after Labor Day. Ick. Get with the times, that hasn't been a rule since the '20s.

Posted by: Coco Chanel[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 07, 2014 09:15 AM (9PrpA)

71 What's ironic is that I think Ron Johnson lives in Sensenbrenner's district. I keep thinking it's the Ron Jon from the surf stores down here. He's from Florida, right?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:15 AM (0HooB)

72 Could be a first step to impeachment, depending on the outcome, if done smartly. We're screwed.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 09:15 AM (8D0/R)

73 60 Yes, but Sensenbrenner (R) calls it a stunt. Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 01:12 PM (BZAd3) --------------- What's ironic is that I think Ron Johnson lives in Sensenbrenner's district. Posted by: grammie winger at January Thought he lived in rino Tom Petrie district

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 07, 2014 09:15 AM (HVff2)

74 WHY ARE YOU SO GOOD TO ME? Karl dancing with his action figure is... *WIN* Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 01:10 PM (4df7R) Because you're awesome. Duh. He's such a dork. Such a hot, hot, hot dork. That's frequently a sign of impending doom. Jus' sayin' Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 07, 2014 01:11 PM (6T8Ay) Oh pish posh that's not always true. I mean, sure, like 98.362% of the time, yes, but that's not always.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 07, 2014 09:15 AM (VtjlW)

75 Is having his staffer suing along with him an attempt to gain standing? Presumably he's been affected by the EO, though I don't know how he would have been negatively impacted, maybe having a health insurance plan that is Unconstitutional and likely to be deemed moot?

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 07, 2014 09:15 AM (ZshNr)

76 Le health care, c'est moi.

Posted by: King Barky XIV at January 07, 2014 09:16 AM (RD7QR)

77 That's frequently a sign of impending doom.

Jus' sayin'

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 07, 2014 01:11 PM (6T8Ay)

 

 

I will take my DOOM, if   it comes with animated Karl Urban gifs.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 09:16 AM (4df7R)

78 Crankyjanne, I saw the Luntz piece but skipped it to get to this one. I went back to front page & Luntz thread was gone.

Posted by: Carol at January 07, 2014 09:16 AM (z4WKX)

79 Republicans again are obstructing the implementation of Obamacare.

Posted by: Main Stream Media kissing obama's bunghole at January 07, 2014 09:16 AM (OZmbA)

80 Val, we don't have time for this. Make arrangements to open up the camps.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at January 07, 2014 09:16 AM (Dwehj)

81 It's now or never. Now is when the public is feeling the heat. It's the right time to strike. There should be more suits. Kitchen sink it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 07, 2014 09:17 AM (IXrOn)

82
If you're wondering what happened to me after Johnson wupped me, Kerry made me a special envoy to the Great Lakes region of Africa.

Posted by: A Malaria Ridden Russ Feingold


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 07, 2014 09:17 AM (kdS6q)

83 "By now, it ought to be clear to anyone who is paying attention that Obama will continue to reign as an arrogant imperial figure at his own whim, law and Constitution be damned, until he is actively reined in by Congress and/or the courts. Neither of whom appear to have the spines to do so."



When everyone gave up, when nobody wanted to fight anymore,  when people who not convinced, when people did not take his word or yours, that the man was even eligible to be POTUS.

You gave up without a fight. Oh well, nobody to blame but yourself.

Posted by: brrrr its effn cold here at January 07, 2014 09:17 AM (nkPV9)

84 59 This will be thrown out as he does not have "standing'... because he can't prove how he is 'damaged' by this... Because this gives him an ADVANTAGE.... he is not damaged... thus no 'standing'. Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 01:13 PM (lZBBB) ******** Yep. That would be one weasel out of it.

Posted by: Hawaii at January 07, 2014 09:17 AM (RJMhd)

85

 If the King can just say "Arrest that man for having yellow shoes on", that's not a just society.

 

 

----------------------------------------------------

 

 

A man wearing yellow shoes?  Hmmmm.  I might want him arrested too. 

Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 09:17 AM (PNGtR)

86

Yes, but Sensenbrenner (R) calls it a stunt.


Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 01:12 PM (BZAd3)

 

Of course.  Because standing up for    equal   standing under the law     is always a stunt.

 

[/sarc]

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 09:17 AM (4df7R)

87 Thought he lived in rino Tom Petrie district

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 07, 2014 01:15 PM (HVff2)


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Ya, I messed up.  Oshkosh is not Sensenbrenner's turf.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 09:17 AM (P6QsQ)

88 54 Yes, but Sensenbrenner (R) calls it a stunt.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 01:12 PM (BZAd3)

It's this kind of shit that bothers me the most, and makes me throw up my hands and say "fuck the Republican party"---- Kathleen Parker and her ilk notwithstanding.

Posted by: tubal the bad at January 07, 2014 09:17 AM (YEQ2h)

89 Clearly, Ron Johnson is a racist. And a misogynist. And hates children. And wants grandma to eat dog food. He should be put on a terrorist watch list and be audited by the IRS.

Posted by: Everyone in the Media at January 07, 2014 09:18 AM (j0wOO)

90 A man wearing yellow shoes? Hmmmm. I might want him arrested too. What if they're sort of a blonde leather work boot?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 07, 2014 09:19 AM (9PrpA)

91 No one has standing to stop this. No one. Go fuck yourselves.

Posted by: SCOTUS at January 07, 2014 09:19 AM (oFCZn)

92 Posted by: Hawaii at January 07, 2014 01:14 PM (RJMhd) But he, nor his Staff, are 'injured' by this... (3) a likelihood that the injury will be redressed by a favorable decision, which means that the prospect of obtaining relief from the injury as a result of a favorable ruling is not too speculative. Ergo, if a Judgment cannot fix the injury.... they have no standing.... Now if OTHER people sued because they do not GET the advantage the Congress gets... they may have standing.... But it does not sound like the people who files, are injured by this.... and in fact they get an advantage....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 09:20 AM (lZBBB)

93 Continual unrelenting attacks upon the odious and flagrant violations of the Constitution by the libs are the only way to impact this administration short of the burning times!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 07, 2014 09:20 AM (o3MSL)

94 88 54 Yes, but Sensenbrenner (R) calls it a stunt. Yup circular firing squad, Sensebrenner, King, the beat goes on

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 07, 2014 09:20 AM (HVff2)

95 He should be put on a terrorist watch list and be audited by the IRS. Done and done. We have a huge budget, you know. Way ahead of you.

Posted by: Obama's Weaponized IRS at January 07, 2014 09:20 AM (7ObY1)

96 A man wearing yellow shoes? Hmmmm. I might want him arrested too. Just don't step on my blue suede shoes.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 09:20 AM (8D0/R)

97 QUIT BOTHERING US WITH THIS SHIT!!

Posted by: SCOTUS at January 07, 2014 09:21 AM (oFCZn)

98 Johnson may not be a lawyer but 11 states attorney's general sent a letter to Sebelius the day after Christmas warning her that among other things the way Obama is circumventing Congress and rewriting the law on a whim is un-Constitutional. Some of these same folks have current lawsuits against Obamacare winding their way through the courts challenging the legality of payment of subsidies by the federal government. I'm pretty sure all of them are lawyers. Not all lawyers are evil.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2014 09:22 AM (g1DWB)

99

This will be thrown out as he does not have "standing'... because he can't prove how he is 'damaged' by this...


Because this gives him an ADVANTAGE.... he is not damaged... thus no 'standing'.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 01:13 PM (lZBBB)

 

And all the people are forced to participate don't have standing either    for some reason.    Even though it is damaging to them -- to their employment, to their finances, to their overall health -- they still don't have standing.

 

Who, I must ask, DOES have standing?  Because if you don't have standing because you're not harmed by something, but you also don't have standing   even though you ARE harmed by something, then who the merciful fuck has standing at all?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 09:22 AM (4df7R)

100

Saw a report that McConnell is reportedly holding out extending UE as a carrot for delaying individual mandate for a year.

 

Now that's a great fucking strategy.  No sarcasm.  Kudos to him if he has the balls to stick to it.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 07, 2014 09:23 AM (tVTLU)

101 QUIT BOTHERING US WITH THIS SHIT!! Posted by: SCOTUS I'd like a reworking of the system where a certain number of lower courts can overturn a higher court decision. Depending on the level of court that number would vary. The lower the court is, the more it would take.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 07, 2014 09:23 AM (9PrpA)

102 What if they're sort of a blonde leather work boot?

Posted by: bonhomme at January 07, 2014 01:19 PM (9PrpA)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Those are okay.  But  when I read the comment the first thing that came to mind was school-bus yellow.

Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 09:24 AM (PNGtR)

103 *Sigh* What part of "It's a tax" did y'all not understand?

Posted by: Chief "Justice" John Roberts at January 07, 2014 09:24 AM (PYAXX)

104 I saw Merciful Fuck open for Tool at the Civic Center in '94

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:24 AM (6T8Ay)

105 Sennensbrenner should have shut up!

Posted by: Carol at January 07, 2014 09:24 AM (z4WKX)

106 I will take my DOOM, if it comes with animated Karl Urban gifs. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 01:16 PM (4df7R) Funny you mention animated Karl Urban DOOM gifts. http://bit.ly/1dtf0tM Okay okay back somewhat on point, it's about time that someone, anyone stood up and said YOU SHALL NOT PASS.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 07, 2014 09:24 AM (VtjlW)

107 What a jerk.

Posted by: Navin johmson at January 07, 2014 09:24 AM (bUmSq)

108
Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner slammed fellow Wisconsin Republican Sen. Ron Johnson, saying his recent lawsuit against the Office of Personnel Management over permitting Obamacare subsidies for lawmakers and Hill staff a will cost the GOP on the front lines of legislative battles.

“Success in the suit will mean that Congress will lose some of its best staff and will be staffed primarily by recent college graduates who are still on their parents’ insurance,” Sensenbrenner said in a statement released Sunday.

Sensenbrenner said it will also “make it even more difficult to fight the

resident and his older, more experienced staff.”

Politico


Fer Pete's sake....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 07, 2014 09:24 AM (kdS6q)

109 who the merciful fuck has standing at all? Chuck Graham.

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 07, 2014 09:24 AM (QF8uk)

110 Saw a report that McConnell is reportedly holding out extending UE as a carrot for delaying individual mandate for a year.

Now that's a great fucking strategy. No sarcasm. Kudos to him if he has the balls to stick to it.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 07, 2014 01:23 PM (tVTLU)

 

And how exactly would that work, considering the indiv mandate went into effect already?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 09:24 AM (4df7R)

111 Who, I must ask, DOES have standing? Because if you don't have standing because you're not harmed by something, but you also don't have standing even though you ARE harmed by something, then who the merciful fuck has standing at all? Who is master?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 07, 2014 09:24 AM (9PrpA)

112 Who, I must ask, DOES have standing? Because if you don't have standing because you're not harmed by something, but you also don't have standing even though you ARE harmed by something, then who the merciful fuck has standing at all? Welcome to Legal Logic 101. The syllabus reads: "It's whatever we say it is."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:25 AM (0HooB)

113 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 01:22 PM (4df7R) Welcome to administrative justice in the age of Obama! The general rule seems to be that you don't have standing to determine if you have standing.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 07, 2014 09:25 AM (o3MSL)

114 97 QUIT BOTHERING US WITH THIS SHIT!!

Posted by: SCOTUS at January 07, 2014 01:21 PM (oFCZn)

We don't have time for this, bust a cap in his ass....... your government.

Posted by: tubal the bad at January 07, 2014 09:25 AM (YEQ2h)

115 I'd like a reworking of the system where a certain number of lower courts can overturn a higher court decision. Depending on the level of court that number would vary. The lower the court is, the more it would take. Posted by: bonhomme at January 07, 2014 01:23 PM (9PrpA) Be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: CA Courts of Appeal at January 07, 2014 09:25 AM (j0wOO)

116  Saw a report that McConnell is reportedly holding out extending UE as a carrot for delaying individual mandate for a year.

Now that's a great fucking strategy. No sarcasm. Kudos to him if he has the balls to stick to it.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 07, 2014 01:23 PM (tVTLU)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

Oh, puhleeeze!  Let's get real here.

Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 09:26 AM (PNGtR)

117 Or the staffers could, you know, be in the sme place as the rest of us and sink or swim. Make them feel the pain their inflicting on the rest of the country.

Posted by: Lauren at January 07, 2014 09:26 AM (hFL/3)

118

“Success in the suit will mean that Congress will lose some of its best staff and will be staffed primarily by recent college graduates who are still on their parents’ insurance,” Sensenbrenner said in a statement released Sunday.

 

FFS.

 

Tin eared, useless ass weaselmouth.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 09:26 AM (4df7R)

119

I listened to Sensenbrenner on the radio this morning. He was floating some bullshit about causing a brain drain if the congressional minions have to pay for health care. They would be unable to continue to oppose Obammmmma.

My thought was, what brains? What opposition???

Fucq That Shite.

Posted by: Chelsea Johnson at January 07, 2014 09:26 AM (QM5S2)

120 I'm just about ready to call a presser and beat my shoe on the podium.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at January 07, 2014 09:26 AM (Dwehj)

121 And how exactly would that work, considering the indiv mandate went into effect already? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 01:24 PM (4df7R)

If I could turn back tiiiiiimme!   ♫

I would find a waaaaay!  ♫  ♪

Posted by: Cher[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:27 AM (6T8Ay)

122

Funny you mention animated Karl Urban DOOM gifts.

http://bit.ly/1dtf0tM

 

*DIES*

 

I love that movie.   I have a deep, inexplicable LOVE for that movie.

 

Well, maybe not entirely inexplicable.  Cuz, y'know.  Karl.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 09:27 AM (4df7R)

123 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 01:22 PM (4df7R) Just like a Citizen cannot question if someone should be on a ballot.... because the Courts decided that wasting your vote is not an 'injury'... Kinda like the idea that your soul... and Honor... which you pledge when you give an Oath to defend the Constitution against Enemies, Foreign AND Domestic... is worthless.... in the eyes of the Court... thus cannot be injured... thus no standing...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 09:27 AM (lZBBB)

124 92 Posted by: Hawaii at January 07, 2014 01:14 PM (RJMhd) But he, nor his Staff, are 'injured' by this... (3) a likelihood that the injury will be redressed by a favorable decision, which means that the prospect of obtaining relief from the injury as a result of a favorable ruling is not too speculative. Ergo, if a Judgment cannot fix the injury.... they have no standing.... Now if OTHER people sued because they do not GET the advantage the Congress gets... they may have standing.... But it does not sound like the people who files, are injured by this.... and in fact they get an advantage.... Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 01:20 PM (lZBBB) ***** Yep. And then this has to happen to Johnson's staffer --first-- when they lose their employee sponsored care So it looks like that leg or prong of attack will not stand. Now--the Executive go around--cripes didn't Paul Clement argue a bit of that . I thought I remember part of the argument was that Sebelius would have to much unilateral unchecked power--to *change* the "law"--ObamaCare.

Posted by: Hawaii at January 07, 2014 09:27 AM (RJMhd)

125
Saw a report that McConnell is reportedly holding out extending UE as a carrot for delaying individual mandate for a year.
Posted by: prescient11



The bill passed cloture.  Exactly was leverage does McConnel have?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 07, 2014 09:27 AM (kdS6q)

126 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 07, 2014 01:24 PM (kdS6q) You know, I thought to myself. "Self" I thought, "If you were a Republican, why might you oppose this?" "Well," myself thought back, "Mostly because I like the nice perks. Having to actually live up to the demands of the law would suck, and why should I be forced to do that? And if this suit works, the most likely result is not an overturn of Obamacare, merely an overturn of my really nice perks. And who wouldn't oppose that?" And then you posted that... Sometimes I hate being right.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 09:27 AM (PYAXX)

127 Washington reminds me so much of a scene from Judge Dredd where the robot is roaming the halls saying, "Eat recycled food.  It's good for the environment and OK for you."

This isn't limited to heathcare.  Remember a few months ago when the subject of insider trading for Washington politicians came up?  It was a big deal for maybe one day.  Insider trading is still legal for politicians.  You try it.  The penalties are huge - prison and fines.  They can do it with impunity.

Good for thee, not me (you fucking pissants).

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 09:28 AM (BZAd3)

128 If we didn't have the standing rule, there would be every sort of fuckhead bringing suit on behalf of some imagined wronged group.  As if we didn't have enough of that already...they wouldn't even have to get plaintiffs to at least sign on for the $$$ incentive.

Posted by: Jeanne of the North at January 07, 2014 09:28 AM (GdalM)

129 Senator Johnson is a great & responsible public servant. Now if only Ohio cold round up a few like him....

Posted by: exdem13 at January 07, 2014 09:28 AM (lJaja)

130 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 07, 2014 01:24 PM (kdS6q) Short form of Sebsenbrenner We (Congress) don't have the skills to actually write legislation anymore unless we have our staff lobbyist cronies around to write it for us!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 07, 2014 09:28 AM (o3MSL)

131 Oh, the pressure!  Rising.  Rising.  In. my. dome.

Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at January 07, 2014 09:29 AM (TKFmG)

132 I'm just about ready to call a presser and beat my shoe on the podium. Lighten up Nikita.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 09:29 AM (8D0/R)

133 118 “Success in the suit will mean that Congress will lose some of its best staff and will be staffed primarily by recent college graduates who are still on their parents’ insurance,” Sensenbrenner said in a statement released Sunday.

FFS.

Tin eared, useless ass weaselmouth.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 01:26 PM (4df7R) Good God, Hobbit, that there's some real weapons grade sophistry he's slinging...... maybe he has a "special Aide" he's afraid of losing.

Posted by: tubal the bad at January 07, 2014 09:29 AM (YEQ2h)

134 >>The bill passed cloture. Exactly was leverage does McConnel have? Cloture just means that it will go to the floor for debate. It hasn't passed the Senate yet.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2014 09:29 AM (g1DWB)

135 If you like your gov't freebies, you can keep your gov't freebies.

Posted by: Sensenburger Burgermester at January 07, 2014 09:30 AM (bUmSq)

136 You're on your own, son.

Posted by: Reverend Boehner at January 07, 2014 09:30 AM (QupBk)

137

I listened to Sensenbrenner on the radio this morning. He was floating some bullshit about causing a brain drain if the congressional minions have to pay for health care. They would be unable to continue to oppose Obammmmma.
My thought was, what brains? What opposition???

 

This is known as the "Debbie Washerwoman-Shits argument."   Because it's teh exact same g-ddamn argument helmet head made last   year  to justify why congressional aides and staffers shouldn't be subject to Obammycare.

 

Congrats, Sensenbrenner.  You're on DWS's team.  Nice job.

 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 09:31 AM (4df7R)

138

And how exactly would that work, considering the indiv mandate went into effect already?

 

Obama would deem it so.  His whim is your command.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 07, 2014 09:31 AM (A0sHn)

139 We need to put this in terms that the Donks can understand.  If a president can just ignore the law, when congress goes vote-buying with other peope's money, those votes may not get bought if a Rethug president can just ignore the law.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 09:31 AM (Hx5uv)

140 My thought was, what brains? What opposition???
Fucq That Shite.

Posted by: Chelsea Johnson at January 07, 2014 01:26 PM (QM5S2)

Everybody knows this.  Normally the 80% rule applies in most every situation.  Twenty percent of the people do 80% of the work.  In government, that's not even close.  To be generous, 1% of the people do 80% of the work.  The rest are sponges.

Sensenbrenner is full of shit and he knows it.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 09:32 AM (BZAd3)

141 Laurie David's Cervix, Mitch has no leverage. Earlier today I had FNC on & heard two Republicans voted with dems, they didn't say which two. I expect it was McCain & Graham, but could be wrong. It passed anyway. Johnson was on earlier & said dems have 22 billion in discretionary spending & they should take the six billion to pay for it from that fund.

Posted by: Carol at January 07, 2014 09:32 AM (z4WKX)

142 Be careful what you wish for. Posted by: CA Courts of Appeal That's the thing, if they get enough courts to think the same way, why shouldn't they change the law? It would make more sense than the current system. What we have now is a choke point. Is the SCOTUS ever going to revisit Kelo, or any number of other flawed decisions? Not on your life, or theirs. The President is issuing edicts and Congress is issuing laws so quickly, SCOTUS can't possibly rule on even a percent of it. And Congressmen have an attitude that it's not their job to determine Constitutionality of a law, only to get votes. So what's the check on any of this? I think SCOTUS needs to have a check on itself, and the system I propose is one possibility.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 07, 2014 09:32 AM (9PrpA)

143 137 There is only one team, and its name is establishment!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 07, 2014 09:33 AM (o3MSL)

144 I listened to Sensenbrenner on the radio this morning. He was floating some bullshit about causing a brain drain if the congressional minions have to pay for health care. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 01:31 PM (4df7R)

He is, of course, correct.

Given the fact that Congress hasn't done it's job for 5 years - the good Congressman will have to explain to me why getting rid of people who can't seem to do their job is a bad thing.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:33 AM (6T8Ay)

145  Hey, Allen.  Right about now would be a good time to post that burning shit you used to post.

Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 09:33 AM (PNGtR)

146
Cloture just means that it will go to the floor for debate. It hasn't passed the Senate yet.
Posted by: JackStraw




Unless a half dozen Democratic Senators got hit by a bus this morning, they have the votes.

Cloture is the vote, contrary to what Collins campaign ad will say after she switches sides for the final tally.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 07, 2014 09:33 AM (kdS6q)

147 “Success in the suit will mean that Congress will lose some of its
best staff and will be staffed primarily by recent college graduates who
are still on their parents’ insurance,” Sensenbrenner said in a
statement released Sunday.
-
Of course the same is true of widget makers but fcuk them.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 09:33 AM (Hx5uv)

148 Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 01:32 PM (BZAd3) Hey now.... do you realize how many people it takes to write a 1500 or so page Bill???? And then others have to have people to read the damn thing, because Congresscritters don't have the time....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 09:34 AM (lZBBB)

149

When will Boner and dumbass liar Ryan destroy this guy for speaking out of turn, and not knowing his role?


Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at January 07, 2014 09:34 AM (HQml1)

150 131 Oh, the pressure! Rising. Rising. In. my. dome. Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at January 07, 2014 01:29 PM (TKFmG) Faster, please.

Posted by: rickl at January 07, 2014 09:34 AM (zoehZ)

151 I saw Lighten Up Nikita open for Bernie Taupin in 1960.

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 07, 2014 09:34 AM (QF8uk)

152 Unless a half dozen Democratic Senators got hit by a bus this morning, they have the votes.  Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 07, 2014 01:33 PM (kdS6q)

I just had a great idea.

Who's got a CDL and a pair of bolt cutters?

::: shifty eyes :::

Meet me at Metro's Eads St. lot at midnight.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:35 AM (6T8Ay)

153 24 My God. We may have found someone with standing. I'll be over on my fainting couch. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 07, 2014 01:03 PM (VtjlW) Don't get too worked up. You should have heard him go onto Levin's show and try to bullshit him.

Posted by: blindside at January 07, 2014 09:35 AM (WzWmY)

154  Good God, Hobbit, that there's some real weapons grade sophistry he's slinging...... maybe he has a "special Aide" he's afraid of losing.

Posted by: tubal the bad at January 07, 2014 01:29 PM (YEQ2h)

 

 

-----------------------------------------

 

 

It's that chick with the nice tits in the steno pool. 

Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 09:36 AM (PNGtR)

155 “Success in the suit will mean that Congress will lose some of its
best staff and will be staffed primarily by recent college graduates who
are still on their parents’ insurance,” Sensenbrenner said in a
statement released Sunday.
-
Of course the same is true of widget makers but fcuk them.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 01:33 PM (Hx5uv)


================


Exactly.  This law will affect businesses around the country who will suffer the same consequences.  But Congressional staff is too special??

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 09:37 AM (P6QsQ)

156 If a president can just ignore the law, when congress goes vote-buying with other people's money, those votes may not get bought if a Rethug president can just ignore the law. They're not worried about it. Their attack-weasels in the press will cover the story 24/7 x 4 years if a Republican President does it. When the GOP says, "You did it too!" they will be ignored, and laughed at, and shouted down.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 07, 2014 09:37 AM (9PrpA)

157

Oh, btw, Bunsenburner, way to insult the youth of this country who are desperate for work.      It    doesn't matter that most of them can't find their   own ass with both hands and a flashlight.   Hell, neither can 90% of Congress.   Maybe instead of saying, "Forcing our staffers onto Obammycare would be too expensive and they'd have to leave to seek out other employment,   leaving us with stupid young people!" you should say, "Obammycare is too expensive across the board.  We should get rid of it."

 

Or, y'know, you can just insult    an   already angry, jobless,  deeply-in-debt    portion of the population.   There's always that.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 09:37 AM (4df7R)

158 Heh. Enabling Act. I like it. But won't Godwin be pissed?

Posted by: PPs43 at January 07, 2014 09:37 AM (gg3bf)

159 Without looking, I am going to assume that I missed hundreds of comments about how all cops are steroid fueled, egotistic, power-crazed murder junkies who just can't wait to blast holes in defenseless civilians. What a fucking pity. I'm sure it was a well-reasoned, rational discussion.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 09:38 AM (CJjw5)

160 I am the law!

Posted by: Judge Dredd at January 07, 2014 09:38 AM (XvHmy)

161 In addition to basic fairness, Sen. Johnson said the lawsuit has the intention of "providing a long overdue check on presidential power."






King Barry: L'etat c'est moi, racist

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 07, 2014 09:38 AM (1Jaio)

162 I'm sure it was a well-reasoned, rational discussion. Well, now that you're here.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 07, 2014 09:39 AM (9PrpA)

163 This article explains it better. It's written more clearly. Maybe that's where they get an "in". Hell Paul Clement is his lawyer. So--it could be something. Take a look at this: The federal subsidies that members of Congress and their staff currently receive are in line with those paid by most private employers and are the same as other federal employees who are continuing in the federal plan. But Johnson argues that they were not specifically detailed in the health care law and therefore are illegal. "This lawsuit is about enforcing the law," Johnson said at a Capitol press conference on Monday. http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_24855 117/senator-sues-over-congress-health-coverage?source=rss#ixzz2pjtFKazY

Posted by: Hawaii at January 07, 2014 09:39 AM (RJMhd)

164 Or, y'know, you can just insult an already angry, jobless, deeply-in-debt portion of the population. There's always that. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 01:37 PM (4df7R)

Ummmmm, speaking as a guy who deals with these 24-year old wunderkind every day....

They're uniformly idiots.

Without exception and regardless of party.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:39 AM (6T8Ay)

165 I'm not big on standing. I stand around and then I get dizzy from lack of blood flow to my head and have to sit down. Many times I have to lie down with a cool drink.

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 07, 2014 09:39 AM (oFCZn)

166 Even moi thinks Obama has gone to far!

Posted by: Louis XIV at January 07, 2014 09:40 AM (XvHmy)

167 Ummmmm, speaking as a guy who deals with these 24-year old wunderkind every day.... They're uniformly idiots. Congressional staffers? Or other 24 year olds?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 07, 2014 09:40 AM (9PrpA)

168 Let's hope they have the stamina to see this all the way through. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 07, 2014 01:08 PM (IXrOn) Hey, whatever happened to that Fast-And-Furious thing. You know, the one where people that they are so concerned about died and the Atty General of the US claims he didn't know about it, despite him having received memos on it. Yeah, I'm sure they'll be on this like like Secret Service on Colombian Hookers.

Posted by: blindside at January 07, 2014 09:40 AM (WzWmY)

169 Ummmmm, speaking as a guy who deals with these 24-year old wunderkind every day....

They're uniformly idiots.

Without exception and regardless of party.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 07, 2014 01:39 PM (6T8Ay)




But how is their self esteem? Because that's more important for the little snowflakes than anything else

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 07, 2014 09:41 AM (1Jaio)

170 When will Boner and dumbass liar Ryan destroy this guy for speaking out of turn, and not knowing his role? Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at January 07, 2014 01:34 PM (HQml1) -------------------------- Not necessary. All the court has to do is say that no human being or entity has standing to challenge this law (the Latin phrase is Fuckus You, Citizen) and this whole thing goes away. Just like every other legal challenge to a bullshit law that liberal judges love.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 09:41 AM (CJjw5)

171 Don't be confused by other Johnson's.

Only I worry about Guam capsizing

Posted by: Hank Johnson at January 07, 2014 09:41 AM (e8kgV)

172 That's the thing, if they get enough courts to think the same way, why shouldn't they change the law? Um... because the courts aren't supposed to be changing the law at all? Because that's what the Congress is supposed to do? And it's much, MUCH easier to stack the lower courts than it is to stack SCOTUS. So then the Judicial branch just becomes an extension of the Executive. Yeah, that'd be a good idea.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 09:41 AM (PYAXX)

173 Congressional staffers? Or other 24 year olds?  Posted by: bonhomme at January 07, 2014 01:40 PM (9PrpA)

Staffers.

Most of them are, exactly as described, fresh out of college and still on their parents insurance.  Oh, and ignorant.

And arrogant.  Did I mention arrogant?


Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:42 AM (6T8Ay)

174 Murkowski, Ayotte, Heller, Portman,Coats & Collins voted to extend UE. If I lived in NH & had voted for Ayotte, I would be livid. She ran as a Tea Party type candidate & has turned into a moderate and the third wheel in McCain & Graham twosome.

Posted by: Carol at January 07, 2014 09:42 AM (z4WKX)

175 This country is now full of special people , unfortunately working citizens don't seem to be among them!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 07, 2014 09:42 AM (o3MSL)

176 118 “Success in the suit will mean that Congress will lose some of its best staff and will be staffed primarily by recent college graduates who are still on their parents’ insurance,” Sensenbrenner said in a statement released Sunday.

FFS.

Tin eared, useless ass weaselmouth.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 01:26 PM (4df7R)

 

 

 

Pitchforks!  Nothing less.

Posted by: Havedash at January 07, 2014 09:42 AM (SIR+t)

177 Hello, Horde! Now that we're over 100... Someone needs to tell the UK that "Judge Dredd" and "V For Vendetta" are not instruction manuals. "UK legal proposal: authorities can prevent anyone from doing anything for any reason" http://is.gd/4cNnvf

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at January 07, 2014 09:42 AM (4X5NS)

178 But how is their self esteem? Because that's more important for the little snowflakes than anything else  Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 07, 2014 01:41 PM (1Jaio)

They are rockin' the self-esteem.

They are, indeed.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:43 AM (6T8Ay)

179 They're uniformly idiots.

Without exception and regardless of party.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 07, 2014 01:39 PM (6T8Ay)

 

Oh, I know.  Trust me, I know.  *rubs temples*

 

But they are also, unfortunately, teh replacement population for the old fogies who are kicking the bucket left, right and center.  Most of them are too stupid to realize Bunsenburner's just insulted them as a bunch of dipshit dunderheads, but    not all of them.   And I'd rather our guys make   an effort to      find ways to make life better for EVERYBODY, instead of saying that one sector of the population (long-term Congressional staffers) deserve more perks than another sector of the population (new college grads who are still on their parents insurance).

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 09:43 AM (4df7R)

180 Cloture just means that it will go to the floor for debate

"Cloture" means the debate will 'end', 'come to a conclusion' .

'end' means the senate will debate for no more than thirty hours and there will be rules that limit senators to one hour. and there are other rules. and then they 'vote'

'vote' means tally the 'yes' and 'no' vote deals that have been made once the backroom deal making and the 'whip count' is sufficient to pass the bill.

so ya, it means that.


Posted by: Honest Dave Bolls at January 07, 2014 09:43 AM (Nvd6O)

181 Staffers. Most of them are, exactly as described, fresh out of college and still on their parents insurance. Oh, and ignorant. And arrogant. Did I mention arrogant? Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 07, 2014 01:42 PM (6T8Ay) ---------------------------- So, essentially... Gabriel Malor and all of his buddies. He was recently complaining of the effect on staffers who make $24,000 per year or some such shit.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 09:44 AM (CJjw5)

182 What a fucking pity. I'm sure it was a well-reasoned, rational discussion.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 01:38 PM (CJjw5)

 

 

---------------------------------------------------

 

 

Compared to 70-80% of other  blogs, it was most definitely rational.  I thought it was rather upbeat.

Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 09:44 AM (PNGtR)

183 159 Without looking, I am going to assume that I missed hundreds of comments about how all cops are steroid fueled, egotistic, power-crazed murder junkies who just can't wait to blast holes in defenseless civilians. What a fucking pity. I'm sure it was a well-reasoned, rational discussion. Posted by: Empire of Jeff +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Yeah, pretty much.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 07, 2014 09:44 AM (LSJmV)

184 Tsk, tsk.  This isn't the way to win over the independents, is it, Senator McCain?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 07, 2014 09:45 AM (zF6Iw)

185 Obamacare is not the hill to fight on.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at January 07, 2014 09:45 AM (Pr6hk)

186 >>Hey, whatever happened to that Fast-And-Furious thing. You know, the one where people that they are so concerned about died and the Atty General of the US claims he didn't know about it, despite him having received memos on it. House Oversight Committee won a ruling from a federal judge to allow their lawsuit to proceed in their case to force Obama and Holder to turn over documents that Obama has claimed executive privilege on. Case is still in the courts. A little tougher sledding when you are dealing with a corrupt administration but the case is still open.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2014 09:45 AM (g1DWB)

187 What a fucking pity. I'm sure it was a well-reasoned, rational discussion. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 01:38 PM (CJjw5) Actually, for the Horde it was incredibly well-reasoned and rational. A few outliers excepted.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 09:45 AM (PYAXX)

188 Modern Love

After Lili headed out to the hotel, her husband, a man named Da Jun, came home three days early from his business trip in Harbin. He phoned Lili, and she told him she was at the beauty salon. But when he went on her computer he discovered that chats and headed to the hotel.

When Lili arrived at the hotel, she discovered that Old Wang, her father-in-law, was the man with whom she had been chatting. (At which point he realized Lili’s husband, his son, was not in fact in jail, but away on business.) And at this, of all moments, Da Jun arrived. Without letting the two explain, he declared, “I’m out there working my ass off to earn money, half-dead with fatigue, and all the while you two are messing around!”

Allegedly he then beat his father and wife, knocking out three of the latterÂ’s teeth and thus explaining why exactly she would be trying to fall in love with strangers on the Internet. When the hotel staff saw the violence, they called the police, and, in a bit of cosmic justice, Da Jun was thrown in jail.

Posted by: #OccupyAnthonyWeiner'sShorts at January 07, 2014 09:45 AM (e8kgV)

189 I'm calling timeout.

Posted by: Andy Reid at January 07, 2014 09:46 AM (xm1A1)

190 Roads still closed. Might be stuck here at work along with the other handful of us that made it in today. Wish I had some alcohol. Could be a loooong day and night. But at least I have my go-bag, so plenty of food and extra clothes. Who's laughing now, people who laugh at my prepping?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 07, 2014 09:46 AM (7ObY1)

191 Most of them are, exactly as described, fresh out of college and still on their parents insurance. Oh, and ignorant.

And arrogant. Did I mention arrogant?


Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 07, 2014 01:42 PM (6T8Ay)



Arrogant and stupid. What a perfect combination

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 07, 2014 09:46 AM (1Jaio)

192 Arrogant and stupid. What a perfect combination There is nothing stupid can screw up that Arrogance can't make worse.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 09:47 AM (PYAXX)

193 Faux news CC feed just displayed "Sen John McCan't appeared on Jay Leno last night!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 07, 2014 09:47 AM (o3MSL)

194

I agree with the points Senator Johnson was making.

//Howard Johnson

 

Oh, blow it out your ass, Howard.

 

//Olsen Johnson

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 07, 2014 09:47 AM (zF6Iw)

195 Um... because the courts aren't supposed to be changing the law at all? Because that's what the Congress is supposed to do? And it's much, MUCH easier to stack the lower courts than it is to stack SCOTUS. So then the Judicial branch just becomes an extension of the Executive. Yeah, that'd be a good idea. Congress ain't concerned with Constitutionality. At all. Ask them. We need more hands on ripping out the un-Constitutional laws.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 07, 2014 09:47 AM (9PrpA)

196 Don't forget, I heartily endorsed McCain and Ayotte. Wheeeeee! Send me more money, Patriots! Bless your hearts!

Posted by: Sarah Palin (send me that money) at January 07, 2014 09:48 AM (7ObY1)

197 So, essentially... Gabriel Malor and all of his buddies. He was recently complaining of the effect on staffers who make $24,000 per year or some such shit. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 01:44 PM (CJjw5)

No.  Not Gabe and all his buddies.  Gabe's a civil serpent...as I also am.

The Hill and Cabinet Executive agency staffers are usually on Schedule C and they do, in fact, make shit.  At least for the first 3 years.

Of course, by them most of them have headed off to pick up the MBA or decamped to a Beltway Bandit (Deloite, anyone??)

Sensenbrenner's argument doesn't hold any water, since the constant turnover of lower staff guts his argument.

If he were talking about senior staff, he might have an argument...but he wasn't talking about senior staff.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:48 AM (6T8Ay)

198 The suit should be decided by February 2017.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 07, 2014 09:48 AM (hLRSq)

199 Without looking, I am going to assume that I missed hundreds of comments about how all cops are steroid fueled, egotistic, power-crazed murder junkies who just can't wait to blast holes in defenseless civilians.


What a fucking pity. I'm sure it was a well-reasoned, rational discussion.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff

One of the things I have learned the hard way is to refrain from opinion when I know I don't know the facts.  That being said, the idea that a cop would shoot someone to save time or get home early enough to catch the Gilligan's Island marathon is just pure crap.  When a cop fires a gun in the field, that is when things start, not when they end. 

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 09:49 AM (Hx5uv)

200 128 If we didn't have the standing rule, there would be every sort of fuckhead bringing suit on behalf of some imagined wronged group. As if we didn't have enough of that already...they wouldn't even have to get plaintiffs to at least sign on for the $$$ incentive. Posted by: Jeanne of the North at January 07, 2014 01:28 PM (GdalM) The problem is the standing rule isn't applied equally. The left granted the greens 'standing' to sue on behalf of the environment. They use it as a means to deny non-favored (ie, not leftist) groups and people. If they don't like you, they'll figure out a way to state you don't have 'standing'.

Posted by: blindside at January 07, 2014 09:49 AM (WzWmY)

201 Hey, whatever happened to that Fast-And-Furious thing. You know, the one where people that they are so concerned about died and the Atty General of the US claims he didn't know about it, despite him having received memos on it.

Yeah, I'm sure they'll be on this like like Secret Service on Colombian Hookers.

Posted by: blindside at January 07, 2014 01:40 PM (WzWmY)

That's another thing! Sensenbrenner was jabbering on about Issa digging into to all these outrages like F&F, IRS, Benghazi, etc. His point was the minions were doing all the scutwork, which I agree is happening.

 TO.WHAT.END??

So Issa can't play wizzerduvoz up there behind his giant dias anymore? No great loss in my book. He has accomplished fuckall as far as I can tell.

Posted by: Chelsea Johnson at January 07, 2014 09:50 AM (QM5S2)

202 Hey!

I figured it out!  Follow me here:

The budget for the Department of Education this year is $14.5 billion.  The U.S. ranks 17th (out of 34 countries) in math and reading.*

Ergo -

Heathcare in this country is too good and costs too little.

There ya go.  Math is, in fact, easy.

*The U.S. ranks all the way up there with Slovenia.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 09:50 AM (BZAd3)

203 Arrogant and stupid. What a perfect combination Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 07, 2014 01:46 PM (1Jaio)

I divide my officers into four groups. There are clever, diligent, stupid, and lazy officers. Usually two characteristics are combined. Some are clever and diligent -- their place is the General Staff. The next lot are stupid and lazy -- they make up 90 percent of every army and are suited to routine duties. Anyone who is both clever and lazy is qualified for the highest leadership duties, because he possesses the intellectual clarity and the composure necessary for difficult decisions. One must beware of anyone who is stupid and diligent -- he must not be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always cause only mischief.

- Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:50 AM (6T8Ay)

204 We need more hands on ripping out the un-Constitutional laws. And you think an easily stacked judiciary is the way to do that? The United States won't return to the Constitution until the majority of Americans really care about it again. Which, in all likelihood, means never.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 09:51 AM (PYAXX)

205 Shorter Sensenbrenner:



"That law will affect us.  So, of course, we are exempting ourselves.  Now STFU while we vote ourselves a raise."

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 09:51 AM (P6QsQ)

206 One of the things I have learned the hard way is to refrain from opinion when I know I don't know the facts. That being said, the idea that a cop would shoot someone to save time or get home early enough to catch the Gilligan's Island marathon is just pure crap. When a cop fires a gun in the field, that is when things start, not when they end. Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 01:49 PM (Hx5uv) ------------------------------------- Speaking of saving time, how are you doing on ramping up the defendant suicides? You were off to a blistering start last week.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 09:51 AM (CJjw5)

207

Without looking, I am going to assume that I missed hundreds of comments about how all cops are steroid fueled, egotistic, power-crazed murder junkies who just can't wait to blast holes in defenseless civilians.


What a fucking pity. I'm sure it was a well-reasoned, rational discussion.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 01:38 PM (CJjw5)

 

Are you sure you lived in New Orleans? 

Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2014 09:53 AM (m2CN7)

208 Wendy in the Wendy's commercials gives me a tingle down my leg. That is one hot ginger babe. Even if she doesn't have a soul. I'd still hit that. The new, young Wendy. Not the old fat one.

Posted by: Guy Who Doesn't Give a Shit at January 07, 2014 09:53 AM (7ObY1)

209 Maybe the movie American Hustle was perfect timing - given so much abuse by the law and authority. http://acculturated.com/2013/12/30/american-hustle-bad-cop-worse-cop/

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 07, 2014 09:53 AM (IXrOn)

210 Speaking of saving time, how are you doing on ramping up the defendant suicides? I obviously missed a doozy of a conversation. Also, EoJ, your "acerbic" is showing.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 09:53 AM (PYAXX)

211 Anyone who is both clever and lazy is qualified for the highest leadership duties

------------------




HA!  I am very closely acquainted with someone who fits those qualification!


Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 09:53 AM (P6QsQ)

212

I appreciate Ron Johnson's attention to this, in all honesty. It has to be done, we have to fight or we will be overwhelmed.

 

But I can't help but feeling this will eventually morph into sort of a Robertsesque "figure out the desired result to support what our messiah Obama needs, then make the law fit that template".

 

Makes me feel like these lawsuit fights are kind of like Jim Bowie fighting off a dozen armed men from Santa Ana's troops from his bed with his Bowie knife in the Alamo.

 

Maybe just Blue Monday blahs. Go to it Mr. Johnson, appreciate your efforts.

Posted by: RM at January 07, 2014 09:53 AM (fRppw)

213 A little tougher sledding when you are dealing with a corrupt administration but the case is still open. Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2014 01:45 PM (g1DWB) I know it is still open. In case it wasn't obvious, that was sarcasm. The point is that it is no longer mentioned because it is no longer 'useful'. Kind of like 'Benghazi' became not useful once the election ended. Both of these items were such a big deal, but the Republicans don't talk about them, after acting all 'concerned' about the abuses of power and victims and their families. They aren't concerned about doing the right thing, only political posturing.

Posted by: blindside at January 07, 2014 09:54 AM (WzWmY)

214 But at least I have my go-bag, so plenty of food and extra clothes. Who's laughing now, people who laugh at my prepping? People who packed booze in their go bag?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 09:54 AM (8D0/R)

215 Also, EoJ, your "acerbic" is showing. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 01:53 PM (PYAXX)


Shhhh.  Let him go.  He's on a roll.

:::: grabs popcorn ::::

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:54 AM (6T8Ay)

216 The United States won't return to the Constitution until the majority of Americans really care about it again. Which, in all likelihood, means never.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 01:51 PM (PYAXX)


You're right I'm afraid.  There is always a point of no return, a straw that breaks the camels back, a bridge too far.  We've past all those way points.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 09:54 AM (BZAd3)

217 Standing is the way to control who gets through the gate and might have the potential to upset the carefully constructed apple cart of crony administrative legislation (enforced and written by unelected and unaccountable civil servants) and effectively approved by corrupt legislators who ensure that whatever else is in the bill, the perks for the establishment shall not be infringed.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 07, 2014 09:54 AM (o3MSL)

218 Makes me feel like these lawsuit fights are kind of like Jim Bowie fighting off a dozen armed men from Santa Ana's troops from his bed with his Bowie knife in the Alamo. I don't remember that part of Labyrinth.

Posted by: 24 year-old staffer[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 07, 2014 09:55 AM (9PrpA)

219 180 According to HA, there is at least one more cloture vote on the UE slab of pork before the final vote.
 
But don't worry, I can hear them squishing from my front porch.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 07, 2014 09:55 AM (wNF3N)

220

Wendy in the Wendy's commercials gives me a tingle down my leg. That is one hot ginger babe. Even if she doesn't have a soul. I'd still hit that.


The new, young Wendy. Not the old fat one.

 

Posted by: Guy Who Doesn't Give a Shit at January 07, 2014 01:53 PM (7ObY1)

 

Way better than fast food.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 07, 2014 09:55 AM (zF6Iw)

221 Wendy in the Wendy's commercials gives me a tingle down my leg. That is one hot ginger babe. Even if she doesn't have a soul. I'd still hit that. The new, young Wendy. Not the old fat one. BOTH are gingers. So they are good.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 09:55 AM (8D0/R)

222

The only way I see to solve this problem is through the states.  As we can see, nothing will be done about un-Constitutionality in DC.  Most  of them are in it together.

 

Article V Convention, nullification  and/or  secession are the only ways that things are going to change.

Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 09:55 AM (92FlR)

223 Posted by: Jeanne of the North at January 07, 2014 01:28 PM (GdalM) You fix that with a simple rule.... LOSER PAYS, and the Losing LAWYER is liable for HALF. It would stop the frivolous lawsuits dead...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 09:55 AM (lZBBB)

224 Nood

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:56 AM (6T8Ay)

225 Before my brother became a "real" cop, he was a UMass Hospital cop, often assigned to the "Sixth Floor", where every variety of mentally disturbed patients/prisoners were sent. After a while he and a partner came up with a routine where they would just recite funny movie lines, make fun of each other, etc. until the person freaking out laughed or joined in or got annoyed that everyone but him was laughing. I don't know how often it worked, but watching them act it out was hilarious.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 07, 2014 09:56 AM (ZshNr)

226 Without looking, I am going to assume that I missed hundreds of comments about how all cops are steroid fueled, egotistic, power-crazed murder junkies who just can't wait to blast holes in defenseless civilians. What a fucking pity. I'm sure it was a well-reasoned, rational discussion.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 01:38 PM (CJjw5)

They're not all on steroids.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 07, 2014 09:57 AM (SY2Kh)

227 how about passed instead of past.


Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 09:57 AM (BZAd3)

228
Hey, whatever happened to that Fast-And-Furious thing. You know, the one where people that they are so concerned about died and the Atty General of the US claims he didn't know about it, despite him having received memos on it.

Yeah, I'm sure they'll be on this like like Secret Service on Colombian Hookers.

Posted by: blindside at January 07, 2014 01:40 PM (WzWmY)

 

 

 

Hey, you gotta give Issa and the pubes a chance here!  He's only had, what, 5 years on it?  Geeze, cut the dude some slack.  He's  working hard on throwing meat to the masses, while not upsetting the DC apple cart.

Posted by: Havedash at January 07, 2014 09:57 AM (SIR+t)

229 Are you sure you lived in New Orleans? Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2014 01:53 PM (m2CN7) ------------------------------- Yes, and if I was applying the same "logic" in diagnosing the ills of the population of New Orleans as is applied to cops every time one of them is involved in a shoot, I would be banned as a racist dickhead who unfairly painted an entire group as criminals based on the actions of a relative few. But, as long as we stick to the approved target list, everything is copacetic.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 09:57 AM (CJjw5)

230

An aside on standing.  I was stopped by MA police who were just sitting by the road typing license plate numbers into a computer.  They got a hit on me.  It was a mishit (two computers didn't agree whether I was driving under a suspended license, so they went with the one that said I was wrong.  I wasn't.)

 

Anyway, it seemed to me that randomly running numbers when I'm not missing a taillight or running a stop sign or anything was an illegal search under the 4th, and I wanted to challenge it.  I thought I could get the ball rolling myself and then get some Cato types to help.  They said "pay $300 and will dismiss the charges".  I said "fuq you, I want a trial".  They said "pay $100 etc.", I persisted.  They might even have started at $600, I went to court a lot of times.  Eventually they said "Nol Pros" or words to that effect. 

 

I said to the judge, "I've been coming back to the court to challenge this law, and if there is no case I don't have standing".  And the judge said "there is no case". 

 

Since then the jurisdictions I drive through in CT don't even have to type in plate numbers.  They have scanners that read plates and ping databases. 

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 07, 2014 09:58 AM (A0sHn)

231 OT comedy relief:  Dennis Rodman discusses his pal Kim Jong Un..

http://tinyurl.com/pkt7cl2

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 09:58 AM (Hx5uv)

232 >>The point is that it is no longer mentioned because it is no longer 'useful'. Kind of like 'Benghazi' became not useful once the election ended. Both of these items were such a big deal, but the Republicans don't talk about them, after acting all 'concerned' about the abuses of power and victims and their families. Its no longer mentioned because until the case is decided there is not much more to talk about. Obama and Holder are refusing to turn over documents under a bogus claim of executive privilege. Until that is decided nothing much is happening. And the Benghazi investigation is far from over. The House was pretty much out of session for most of December. Things will resume soon.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2014 10:02 AM (g1DWB)

233 Obamacare is simply not enough bullshit.

http://tinyurl.com/mqbj3nc

We need more!

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 10:03 AM (BZAd3)

234 Most of them are, exactly as described, fresh out of college and still on their parents insurance. Oh, and ignorant.

And arrogant. Did I mention arrogant?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 07, 2014 01:42 PM (6T8Ay)

I maintain that my life would be easier (and yours too, it sounds like) if I could make people push again.

"Fucked up again, did you?  Outstanding.  Eight-counts, til your heart explodes.  In cadence.  Exercise."

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 10:08 AM (fwARV)

235

Yes, and if I was applying the same "logic" in diagnosing the ills of the population of New Orleans as is applied to cops every time one of them is involved in a shoot, I would be banned as a racist dickhead who unfairly painted an entire group as criminals based on the actions of a relative few.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 01:57 PM (CJjw5)

 

Relatively few.  Hah you  are funny  guy.  

Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2014 10:09 AM (m2CN7)

236 "Fucked up again, did you? Outstanding. Eight-counts, til your heart explodes. In cadence. Exercise."  Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 02:08 PM (fwARV)

The Mountain Climber!!!   The Mountain Climber is a four-count exercise executed at a moderate cadence!

Ready?!?!

BEGIN!

One-two-three...

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 10:10 AM (6T8Ay)

237 He was recently complaining of the effect on staffers who make $24,000 per year or some such shit.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 01:44 PM (CJjw5)


Those staffers also have rich mommies and daddies, which is why they are ok with being paid 24k a year, because they are not there for the pay but for the connections.

Posted by: [/i]KG at January 07, 2014 10:14 AM (p7BzH)

238 Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 07, 2014 02:10 PM (6T8Ay)

We had a kill hat (small Korean man with a gravelly voice - imagine in your mind) at Aircrew school who destroyed our souls one morning.  Instead of getting the 'name of exercise' followed by the 'number of repetitions,' we got this:

"We will do side-straddle hops.  We will do ... *menacing pause* ... many of them."

I mean, if they're willing to SAY '200', how the fuck many is 'many'?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 10:20 AM (fwARV)

239 "The law as it has been written is being ignored" is not the sort of argument you want to make before a Supreme Court Justice who ignored the law as it was written.

The traitor Roberts gave everyone free rein to make the law into whatever they like when he did exactly that himself.  He made it official that any word is as good as another when it comes to our laws.  Can may be cannot, will may be will not, mandate may be tax and one date is as good as another.


Posted by: Thatch at January 07, 2014 10:46 AM (qYvEa)

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