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April 27, 2014

Sun. Morning Open Before The Book Thread Thread [OregonMuse]
— Open Blogger

Today's open thread for all non-book related discussion is brought to you by Alberto Ginastera:

Perhaps this musical piece is not suitable for a quiet Sunday morning. It's loud, brash, jarring, dissonant, and in the composer's own words, frightening.

However, it may sound familiar to some of you who are old enough to remember the 1970s prog rock ~~error~~ era.

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1 First?

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 27, 2014 06:05 AM (0FSuD)

2 So this is an open thread to beat down the other open thread and then we will have a book thread and a GUN thread. Hard to keep up. I'll go get the rest of the morons.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 27, 2014 06:06 AM (0FSuD)

3 The Race industries asses are RED this morning. This Clipper fella is gonna lose his team because he is a fool. It seems that 80 year old guys still think with their Dicks and this is what's going to cost him both his team and whatever reputation he had. I am beyond tired of the racial hucksterism.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 27, 2014 06:12 AM (jucos)

4 @3 True dat. Would you want your hot 30 year old girl friend to be fucking a guy with AIDS? I think he is to the point where he does not give a shit. JJ says he's an asshole.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 27, 2014 06:14 AM (0FSuD)

5 That's HEAVY DEMOCRAT DONOR and LA Clippers Owner, Stering

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 27, 2014 06:25 AM (0LHZx)

6 OK. Moron of the month! http://tinyurl.com/n8lptj5

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 27, 2014 06:26 AM (0FSuD)

7 Do we know how much he donated to specific candidates? I'm on tablet, so my search capability is lame and limited.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2014 06:27 AM (ZshNr)

8 Hmm, I've never heard the this original piece by Ginastera. I'm impressed. Legend has it that Keith Emerson played ELP's version of this for AG, (called Toccata, from Brain Salad Surgery) and received his blessing. The rest, as they say, is history. I never dissed prog rock, as I learned about a bunch of composers I never would have otherwise from groups like ELP and Yes. Some of it is pretentious and kinda boring, but in its early days, it was new, fresh, and served to expose younger listeners (like me) to new worlds of music. And that's all I have to say about that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 27, 2014 06:28 AM (0HooB)

9 OK.

Moron of the month!

http://tinyurl.com/n8lptj5

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 27, 2014 10:26 AM (0FSuD)

______________

Darwin works in mysterious ways.....

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 27, 2014 06:30 AM (jucos)

Since we were talking about the Blue Angels in the last thread and everyone left ...

Standing among the B-17s, Lockheed Electras, DC-3s, and a lot of other cool old aircraft at Sun-N-Fun a few weeks ago watching the Blue Angels flying overhead made me proud to be an American again. For a few minutes at least.

No really I'm still proud to be an American but sometimes a little embarrassed.

Seriously though the Angels are truly awesome. I rarely use that word/expression but in this case I think it applies.

Posted by: freaked at April 27, 2014 06:35 AM (JdEZJ)

11 I give the prog rockers credit, as they were trying to expand the horizons of rock music and get it taken seriously as an art form, rather than teenage pop fluff. Renaissance was another great band from that era. Fun fact: Since the 1990s Annie Haslam has been living in the Philadelphia suburbs, not far from me. I haven't actually met her, but theoretically I could bump into her at the supermarket.

Posted by: rickl at April 27, 2014 06:37 AM (sdi6R)

12 This just in..... Krugatron is still dumb as a sack of hair.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 27, 2014 06:37 AM (jucos)

13 I remember having a math prof in college in the early 70's - loved orchestral
music. came in one day and he went off on a tirade, having just heard ELP
play some Stravinsky piece. Travesty! Outrage! Not Music! I think I
failed that course - not his fault, though...

Posted by: Geezer der Mensch at April 27, 2014 06:43 AM (6aFlV)

14 I haven't actually met her, but theoretically I could bump into her at the supermarket Speaking of, Johnny Winter's drummer is a bud, and posts tour pix on YourFace.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 27, 2014 06:52 AM (0HooB)

15 Do not use Ginastera if you are pregnant or think you might become pregnant.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2014 06:52 AM (ZshNr)

16 I dig it. Probably because it sounds like the soundtrack from "Predator."

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 27, 2014 06:53 AM (celt+)

17 Morning all. Apparently Bloombergs 50 million dollar backed grassroots anti-2A group is a force to be feared. 25 people attended the NRA protest.

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2014 06:55 AM (QeH9j)

18 Johnny Winter is da man. Seen Edgar, never Johnny. Gotta fix that real soon...

Posted by: Anthony L. at April 27, 2014 07:06 AM (qRDBx)

19 Was that piece from Tarkus?

Posted by: Corona at April 27, 2014 07:08 AM (fh2Y7)

20 Legend has it that Keith Emerson played ELP's version of this for AG, (called Toccata, from Brain Salad Surgery) and received his blessing. The rest, as they say, is history.

It ain't legend, it's pretty much fact. Look up the Ginastera reference on wikipedia and check out the description of the meeting. Due to language difficulties, Emerson almost discarded the piece. Read it, it's a fascinating story.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 27, 2014 07:11 AM (fTJ5O)

21 Â» Darwin works in mysterious ways..... Â» Posted by: Truck Monkey A seemingly infinite multitude of ways, certainly. ...a look at her Facebook account showed Sanford had taken pictures of herself and posted them while driving. Investigators also said Sanford wrote, "The happy song makes me HAPPY..." But not really all that mysterious.

Posted by: mindful webworker - Darwin Award multiple narrow escapee at April 27, 2014 07:14 AM (jNNPU)

22 OK, so my daughter has been playing the piano for nearly all of her life and is just now finishing up her music degree. So I come home from work one day and she's playing some jarring, complicated composition that sounded like an ELP piece I had never heard before. So I ask her who's she playing, and she says it's a piece by an Argentinian composer named Alberto Ginastera. Then I understand how much Ginastera's influence ran through the entire Brain Salad Surgery album, not just that one piece.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 27, 2014 07:16 AM (fTJ5O)

23 Read it, it's a fascinating story. Will do. And how did Renaissance escape me? I've never heard them until today. They're great.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 27, 2014 07:16 AM (0HooB)

24 Was that piece from Tarkus?

No, from Brain Salad Surgery.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 27, 2014 07:17 AM (fTJ5O)

25 Then I understand how much Ginastera's influence ran through the entire Brain Salad Surgery album, not just that one piece. A bunch of my kollidge buddies and I saw them live on that tour in Tuscaloosa. They had the flying piano, the stainless steel drums and a discrete four-channel PA that could alter time. One of the student roadies was the guy who sat behind me the previous year in HS. I still have the patch.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 27, 2014 07:24 AM (0HooB)

26 23 And how did Renaissance escape me? I've never heard them until today. They're great. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 27, 2014 11:16 AM (0HooB) You're kidding, right? :0 When I was in college back in the 70s, a friend said, "When I get to heaven, if the angels don't sound like Annie I'll be disappointed." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B578LuXbPI

Posted by: rickl at April 27, 2014 07:28 AM (sdi6R)

27 A bunch of my kollidge buddies and I saw them live on that tour in Tuscaloosa.

I saw them in 1976 (or was that 1977?) at the Coliseum in Oakland, CA. They didn't have the flying piano, but Emerson did play a small piano backwards from the wrong side. I though that was impressive.

It was an afternoon concert. Later on in the evening, we caught a showing of Star Wars. That was quite a day.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 27, 2014 07:32 AM (fTJ5O)

28 So the Republican leadership is going to betray the base according to the Hill and Drudge. How do we take this, weeping and wailing or to we just walk away or do we get in their faces and promise dire things?at this point I just can't take it anymore, if they are going to double cross us I just want it nover so we can get on with punishing them while we still can.

Posted by: southdakotaboy at April 27, 2014 07:33 AM (yh4lQ)

29 The only time I saw Renaissance live was in the early or mid 80s. From the recordings and photos I thought of Annie as a rather etherial being, sort of what you see in the video I linked. I was surprised to see her with her feet planted and fists clenched, as she belted it out for all she was worth.

Posted by: rickl at April 27, 2014 07:40 AM (sdi6R)

30 So ... any predictions on what the NBA will do about their racist Democrat owner Sterling? I saw some of the extended transcript. Doesn't add much context that could defend him. The most charitable explanation would be to argue that Sterling could possibly not be racist himself (he doesn't believe he is) just that he thinks society is racist and he thinks society will look down on him for associating with blacks, so to protect himself he wants to limit personal exposure. Most likely that's just the excuse he uses to justify his own racism. But people are always the good guy and the victim in their own head. Sterling clearly thinks he's the victim. excerpts (V is the gf, DS is Sterling): --- V: I don't understand, I don't see your views. I wasn't raised the way you were raised. DS: Well then, if you don't feelÂ—don't come to my games. Don't bring black people, and don't come. V: Do you know that you have a whole team that's black, that plays for you? DS: You just, do I know? I support them and give them food, and clothes, and cars, and houses. Who gives it to them? Does someone else give it to them? Do I know that I haveÂ—Who makes the game? Do I make the game, or do they make the game? Is there 30 owners, that created the league? .. V: Honey, if it makes you happy, I will remove all of the black people from my Instagram. DS: You said that before, you said, "I understand." V: I DID remove the people that were independently on my Instagram that are black. DS: Then why did you start saying that you didn't? You just said that you didn't remove them. You didn't remove everyÂ— V: I didn't remove Matt Kemp and Magic Johnson, but I thoughtÂ— DS: Why? V: I thought Matt Kemp is mixed, and he was OK, just like me. DS: OK. V: He's lighter and whiter than me. DS: OK. V: I met his mother. DS: You think I'm a racist, and wouldn'tÂ— V: I don't think you're a racist. DS: Yes you do. Yes you do. V: I think you, youÂ— DS: Evil heart. ... DS: It's the world! You go to Israel, the blacks are just treated like dogs. V: So do you have to treat them like that too? DS: The white Jews, there's white Jews and black Jews, do you understand? V: And are the black Jews less than the white Jews? DS: A hundred percent, fifty, a hundred percent. V: And is that right? DS: It isn't a questionÂ—we don't evaluate what's right and wrong, we live in a society. We live in a culture. We have to live within that culture. V: But shouldn't we take a stand for what's wrong? And be the change and the difference? DS: I don't want to change the culture, because I can't. It's too big and too [unknown]. V: But you can change yourself. DS: I don't want to change. If my girl can't do what I want, I don't want the girl. I'll find a girl that will do what I want! Believe me. I thought you were that girlÂ—because I tried to do what you want. But you're not that girl. ...

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 27, 2014 07:49 AM (ZPrif)

31 ELP = Electric Light Porkestra???

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 07:55 AM (D+5pt)

32 Saw ELP around 77 also. 19 rows back and center stage. The bad part of that was these bright white spots facing out from Carl's drum riser. Of course they lit em up during his solo. Probably look cool from above but I couldn't see a thing,,, blinded by the light, so to speak. And yes, Keith mentions getting the permission in an interview on a DVD I have.

Posted by: teej at April 27, 2014 07:56 AM (QbKVX)

33 Also seems clear the chick set him up. She was the one recording the call. He was probably gonna dump her (ie cut off the cash flow) and this is her revenge. The gf is clearly steering the conversation to these topics so she can get him on tape saying these horrible things. Steling is now an old man so he didn't realize he was being played. Of course, it didn't seem to take much prodding by the gf to get him to say what he said. Good lesson in life. Don't date a mixed-race chick and then casually share your loathing of half her heritage -- she just might take that personally.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 27, 2014 07:57 AM (ZPrif)

34 Chris Joel ‏@latePatriot @LarrySchweikart @NolteNC The day before he made those comments was his last day as a Democrat. Now he's generic rich, racist, white guy.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 27, 2014 07:59 AM (ZPrif)

35 I have rooted for Chris Paul, now of the L.A. Clippers, since he got into the league, so I guess I want L.A. to win this series. But do I really want the "Donald Sterling Watch" overshadowing the Playoffs? Not really.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2014 08:06 AM (ZshNr)

36 You want your team to win an NBA title. You'll settle for watching the playoffs on TV. You'll get "Donald Sterling Watch" 24/7.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 27, 2014 08:10 AM (0HooB)

37 In fairness, any self-respecting LA Clippers fan (if they exist) would naturally look down on being associated with an AIDS-afflicted LA Laker.

Posted by: Fritz at April 27, 2014 08:11 AM (oJUxt)

38 Maybe the NBA can get by with some apology tour and racism rehab. Probably gonna have to Marge Schott him. I doubt Sterling is willing to publicly prostrate himself to make a racism rehab tour work - go on Sharpton, Oprah, etc, blame being old and white and his parents and upbringing and claim he's seen the light and will go forth and sin no more. I think the NBA will actually try to kick him out. Unsure what their league by-laws are about expelling an owner.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 27, 2014 08:14 AM (ZPrif)

39 Sarah Palin's "Stand And Fight" speech last night at the NRA Convention

My take - Palin takes a three-second pause after she says "If I were in charge ..."

A somewhat tentative delivery, a shift from the easy, breezy, easy one-liners to something more serious. I'm looking forward to a hard-hitting takedown on the part-time job-spiralling food prices-skyrocketing energy prices front.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk4dD2L0RTk

Posted by: mrp at April 27, 2014 08:16 AM (JBggj)

40 Kinda predictable HotAir.com ‏@hotairblog Tea party PACs reap money for midterms Â— but spend little on candidates http://hotair.com/headlines/?p=293693 Â… Out of the $37.5 million spent so far by the PACs of six major tea party organizations, less than $7 million has been devoted to directly helping candidates, according to the analysis, which was based on campaign finance data provided by the Sunlight Foundation. The dearth of election spending has left many favored tea party candidates exposed before a series of pivotal GOP primaries next month in North Carolina, Nebraska, Idaho and Kentucky. Roughly half of the money Â— nearly $18 million Â— has gone to pay for fundraising and direct mail, largely provided by Washington-area firms. Meanwhile, tea party leaders and their family members have been paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in consulting fees, while their groups have doled out large sums for airfare, a retirement plan and even interior decorating. The lavish spending underscores how the protest movement has gone professional, with national groups transforming themselves into multimillion-dollar organizations run by activists collecting six-figure salaries.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 27, 2014 08:17 AM (ZPrif)

41 It's obvious that the federal government should take over the running of the NBA!

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 08:17 AM (D+5pt)

42 @39 I can not listen to her voice and her new hair doo? WTF?

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 27, 2014 08:19 AM (0FSuD)

43 Renaissance was another great band from that era. Fun fact: Since the 1990s Annie Haslam has been living in the Philadelphia suburbs, not far from me. I haven't actually met her, but theoretically I could bump into her at the supermarket. Posted by: rickl at April 27, 2014 10:37 AM
======
Thanks, Rickl . I have a copy of the 2-LP "Renaissance Live Carnegie Hall" that I haven't played for a long, long time. Time to give 'em another spin.

Posted by: mrp at April 27, 2014 08:20 AM (JBggj)

44 Pop Quiz:

The NBA culture is about as relevant to social goodwill as Vladimir Putin is relevant to ______.

Posted by: Fritz at April 27, 2014 08:21 AM (oJUxt)

45 Lebron and the other big names "run the league" in the popular perception, but that's only where it comes to coaches and GM's. Owners are a separate breed, with armies of lawyers behind them and beholden to nobody but each other. Any move to push him out will be long and bloody.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2014 08:21 AM (ZshNr)

46 Speaking of good will, the Putinite owner of the Nets has talked about moving the team HQ to Moscow, just to make a point about sanctions, etc.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 27, 2014 08:23 AM (ZshNr)

47 What are the odds that President Air Ball weighs in on the significance of what a team owner says to his gold digging concubine in a private conversation?

Posted by: Fritz at April 27, 2014 08:28 AM (oJUxt)

48 What are the odds that President Air Ball weighs in on the significance of what a team owner says to his gold digging concubine in a private conversation? That window has closed.

Posted by: garrett at April 27, 2014 08:35 AM (4sqCK)

49 Yeah, this issue is perfect for the generic America Is Racist meme. Only complicating factor is Sterling is a Democrat. But that can and will and is being erased from history. ESPN is already long into the Let's Not Pretend Sterling Isn't Typical of White America.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 27, 2014 08:42 AM (ZPrif)

50 >>>That window has closed.<<<

Well then certainly we won't have overreactions from celebrities like Snoop Dog/Lion to turn this situation and the NBA into a circus of perpetual failure.

Posted by: Fritz at April 27, 2014 08:44 AM (oJUxt)

51 The NBA has been largely unwatchable since John Belushi and Dan Akroyd left.

Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 27, 2014 08:45 AM (MKpBT)

52 I used to work with a doctor from India who called Snoop Dog... "Snoopy Doopy Dog" I loved that guy.

Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 27, 2014 08:46 AM (MKpBT)

53 It's important to have Obama and Al Sharpton and Snoop Dog explain what a tape of an old, white Jewish Democrat billionaire NBA owner complaining to his hot, young half-black mistress about her banging young black dudes on the side and parading it in public ... says about the state of White Racism in America Today.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 27, 2014 08:50 AM (ZPrif)

54 I can not listen to her voice and her new hair doo? WTF? Posted by: Nip Sip at April 27, 2014 12:19 PM (0FSuD) Yet the Left doesn't complain that Hillary! has a screech that shatters car windshields around a mile radius Guess I'll have to get new windshields since she's going to be the next President while we're nitpicking on Palin's voice, even though she's one of the few conservatives who can draw large crowds and cause leftists to foam at the mouth

Posted by: kbdabear at April 27, 2014 08:52 AM (aTXUx)

55 The important thing is to examine how your own Racism and White Privilege led to the Sterling Tape. Isn't America the real racist here?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 27, 2014 08:55 AM (ZPrif)

56 >>>Isn't America the real racist here?<<<

Ratings must be down for the NBA finals, otherwise, how do you explain commentary from players like LeBron who call for league action against a team owner?

The whole thing is just one more reminder that the NBA brand stinks.

Posted by: Fritz at April 27, 2014 09:01 AM (oJUxt)

57 I was wondering what Dominique Wilkins had to say on the problem of White Racism in America Today and the larger lessons we all must learn from the Sterling Tape. Dominique Wilkins -- Donald Sterling Proves Racism Still Huge Problem in USA http://tmz.me/1hxPY2G

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 27, 2014 09:02 AM (ZPrif)

58 I hope that Putin will be considerate and hold off invading Ukraine until America gets this Donald Sterling Crisis resolved

Posted by: kbdabear at April 27, 2014 09:04 AM (aTXUx)

59 I hope that Putin will be considerate and hold off invading Ukraine until America gets this Donald Sterling Crisis resolved

Posted by: kbdabear at April 27, 2014 09:04 AM (aTXUx)

60 Donald Sterling? Does it say something significant about our culture that we have celebrities that nobody has heard of?

Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 27, 2014 09:08 AM (MKpBT)

61 What are the odds that President Air Ball weighs in on the significance of what a team owner says to his gold digging concubine in a private conversation?
He's already stuck his dick into the controversy. It's at Weasel Zippers but I don't feel like getting the link.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 09:19 AM (D+5pt)

62 Rooftop chase scene. Or escaping the evil henchmen through the factory complex.

Posted by: eman at April 27, 2014 09:27 AM (AO9UG)

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