April 23, 2014

Supreme Court Hears Case on Government Asserting Power to Decide What the Political Truth Is, and There's Nothing At All Scary About That
— Ace

Maybe one of the most important cases in a long time.

Rep. Steve Driehaus voted for Obamacare. The Susan B. Anthony List wanted to put up billboards that said, “Shame on Steve Driehaus! Driehaus voted FOR taxpayer-funded abortion," and ran a similar radio campaign.

The billboard was never put up, because Dreihaus had threatened to sue -- not the SBA List, but the company managing the billboard.

Dreihaus claimed the message was false, and Ohio forbids "false" claims about a politicians' voting record.

The Ohio Elections Commission found, in a preliminary vote, that the message was indeed "false," but ultimately a full prosecution never went forward, because Dreihaus was defeated for reelection and the point became moot.

Note that Dreihaus claims that this message was "false" because he claimed refuge in Obama's completely-fake claim that Obamacare would not mandate abortion coverage by employers who were conscious objectors to the practice.

We now know that Dreihaus' claim was in fact the false one -- Obama's alleged guarantee on this score was worth as much as his claim that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

And yet here was -- is -- a government organization purporting to declare the truth to be false and a falsehood to be true, chilling citizens' right to speak the truth.

A federal judge dismissed the case in such a way that made it impossible, essentially, to challenge Ohio's law in advance of an actual prosecution. Apparently they didn't consider that threats of prosecution have a chilling effect, and that the factual record in this case includes, in fact, a real case of a citizen censoring himself for fear of prosecuction.

Consider, for a moment, how dangerous this is. In this case, you have Dreihaus making a claim which is supported by the government -- a claim which is false. And you have citizens making a claim which is disfavored by the government -- their claim being true.

Dreihaus wished to rely on the president's promise that Obamacare would never be interpreted this way; SBA List looked at these same facts and came to a contrary conclusion -- that Dreihaus was, no matter what he or Obama claimed, actually voting for the proposition that the government should mandate that employers provide birth control coverage to employees (and some of those can be characterized as abortifacients) and even coverage for abortion, no matter what the employers' honestly-felt religious or philosophical beliefs on the matter.

Dreihaus had the whole of the government on his side, and surely, a majority of the government bureaucracy, which we are lately discovering to our chagrin has its own political agenda and is not shy about promoting that agenda in their day-jobs.

But government wishes the power to say what is true and what is false -- even on hotly disputed points, where people are arguing, basically, whether a promise will be observed in the future. Something that can't actually be determined in the present.

And, as events would have it, it turned out the SBA was right.

But the fact that the SBA was right shouldn't control the issue here. Rather, it should illustrate how dangerous it is to have agents of the government deciding what is True and what is False on behalf of citizens, with prosecutions and other legal consequences flowing from their decisions.

George Will discusses the case here.


Driehaus says insurance companies must collect a “separate payment” from enrollees and segregate this money from federal funds. The SBA List says money is fungible, so this accounting sleight-of-hand changes nothing.

Yes, and they're right.

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The Ohio Elections Commission has pondered the truth or falsity of saying that a school board “turned control of the district over to the union,” and that a city councilor had “a habit of telling voters one thing, then doing another.” Fortunately, the Supreme Court, citing George Orwell’s 1984, has held that even false statements receive First Amendment protection: “Our constitutional tradition stands against the idea that we need Oceania’s Ministry of Truth.”

This case, which comes from Cincinnati, where the regional IRS office was especially active in suppressing the political speech of conservative groups, involves the intersection of two ominous developments. One is the inevitable, and inevitably abrasive, government intrusions into sensitive moral issues that come with governmentÂ’s comprehensive and minute regulation of health care with taxes, mandates, and other coercions. The Supreme Court will soon rule on one such controversy, the ACA requirement that employer-provided health-care plans must cover the cost of abortifacients. The other development is governmentÂ’s growing attempts to regulate political speech, as illustrated by the Obama administrationÂ’s unapologetic politicization of the IRS to target conservative groups.

These developments are not coincidental. GovernmentÂ’s increasing reach and pretensions necessarily become increasingly indiscriminate.

There's a politico-economic theory with a very anodyne name that greatly undersells the theory itself: Public choice theory.

The standard way of thinking about political outcomes before public choice theory was to imagine the government as a disinterested referee, a neutral judge, hearing this or that claim from this or that constituency.

Public Choice Theory posits instead that the government itself -- its bureaucrats, its politicians -- is in fact an interested party with its own economic and political agenda for the country, and makes decisions on that basis, just like anyone else.

This is certainly the correct theory of government behavior.

What the hell is the government doing claiming to have the power to use force and deprivation of liberty in deciding political disputes in which the government itself has an unacknowledged selfish interest ?

It's critical that this ugly law be voided as unconstitutional. Otherwise, the progressives have their foot in the door for deciding what is True on behalf of the country, with prosecutors and cops and wardens as their enforcement agents.

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1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 10:29 AM (PYAXX)

2 2nd one who hasn't read the content yet.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 23, 2014 10:30 AM (DL2i+)

3 Adam White @adamjwhitedc So Sotomayor is "impassioned," but Thomas has "anger & hostility." .@NinaTotenberg explains: http://n.pr/QD434M , http://n.pr/reu7xT Retweeted by Ramesh Ponnuru

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 10:31 AM (ZPrif)

4 It's a tax.

Posted by: John Roberts at April 23, 2014 10:32 AM (LJ7Ze)

5 I see ministries of truth in our future. These people will not stop.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 23, 2014 10:32 AM (4yFKY)

6 It's critical that this ugly law be voided as unconstitutional. Otherwise, the progressives have their foot in the door for deciding what is True on behalf of the country, with prosecutors and cops and wardens as their enforcement agents. --- Knock knock We're here for your uncool niece

Posted by: Jerry Brown's Suede Denim Secret Police at April 23, 2014 10:32 AM (APuJ7)

7 Much more important than the drinking age debate. Of course the big bad right can't be trusted. Huh

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 10:33 AM (HVff2)

8 And thus the danger of any "big government" scheme. The more power you give to government for anything, the more likely that someone in government will abuse that power. We understood that in the 1780s. Why not now?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 10:33 AM (PYAXX)

9 It's critical that this ugly law be voided as unconstitutional. Otherwise, the progressives have their foot in the door for deciding what is True on behalf of the country, with prosecutors and cops and wardens as their enforcement agents. If this law is deemed acceptable, I think we must defy it. They can't round up 11 million illegals, they can't control the speech of half the country.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 23, 2014 10:33 AM (nFI1a)

10 "Wait for it. . . . . . . "

Posted by: Justice Anthony Kennedy, flipping my magic coin at April 23, 2014 10:34 AM (hB/NU)

11 1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 02:29 PM (PYAXX) You better have proof, or off to jail you go!

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 10:34 AM (oMKp3)

12 If this law is deemed acceptable, I think we must defy it. They can't round up 11 million illegals, they can't control the speech of half the country. You're correct, but wrong scale. This is just Ohio (as far as I know no other state has such a law). I predict 5-4 voiding the law.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 10:34 AM (PYAXX)

13 Public Choice Theory could use a better name. Maybe, Government Employees Are Dicks Theory or Bureaucrats are Selfish Pricks Theory.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 10:35 AM (ZPrif)

14 Interesting times we live in.

Posted by: Lauren at April 23, 2014 10:35 AM (hFL/3)

15 Posted by: Justice Anthony Kennedy, flipping my magic coin at April 23, 2014 02:34 PM (hB/NU) Actually, Kennedy has been very, very solid on Free Speech over the years. He may be "magic coin" on everything else, but he tends to err on the side of "...but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 10:35 AM (PYAXX)

16 10 "Wait for it. . . . . . . " Posted by: Justice Anthony Kennedy, flipping my magic coin at April 23, 2014 02:34 PM (hB/NU) A man of these qualifications gives all aspiring district attorneys a reason to dream a dream or two.

Posted by: Harvey Dent at April 23, 2014 10:35 AM (eFytx)

17 So in the debate of whether Huxley or Orwell were correct we're finding out that it's not either/or.

Posted by: gwelf at April 23, 2014 10:36 AM (nyxv/)

18 In Ohio you have ministries of truth, in California you have the gay support test to be a judge. What the press won't cover is just as important as what they do.

Posted by: Iblis at April 23, 2014 10:36 AM (9221z)

19 If this law is deemed acceptable, I think we must defy it. They can't round up 11 million illegals, they can't control the speech of half the country. --- But they can control the activities of a few dozen companies that own and operate billboards.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 10:36 AM (ZPrif)

20
You should be audited or even prosecuted for this post.

Posted by: Lois Lerner at April 23, 2014 10:36 AM (hJauc)

21 If this law is deemed acceptable, I think we must defy it. Amen. I think I should start a list of laws I plan on defying. This one makes the list.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 10:37 AM (oMKp3)

22 Nice piece, Ace.

Posted by: garrett at April 23, 2014 10:37 AM (Yv7Xy)

23 we are lately discovering to our chagrin

Lately?


Good post, just socking Eisenhower.

Posted by: Ike vs. THE MIC[/i][/b][/s] at April 23, 2014 10:37 AM (DL2i+)

24 Never has a president so blatantly lied to the American public and then used the auspices of government to block the truth, to the point of prosecuting those who disagree- even though they are right.

That is the definition of tyranny.

But I mostly blame the media. They are the poison on our society and the essence of what divides and destroys us. If this president were of another political party this would never go unanswered. Never. Nor should it either way.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2014 10:37 AM (GGCsk)

25 It's critical that this ugly law be voided as unconstitutional. Otherwise, the progressives have their foot in the door for deciding what is True on behalf of the country, with prosecutors and cops and wardens as their enforcement agents.
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Wasn't it the DA in St. Louis who actually publicly stated he/she would prosecute anyone who made false statements about Obama?
And was not immediately thrown out of office with six months in prison to think about it?

We are well past the bend where a ruling by the SCOTUS can reverse course . . . .

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 23, 2014 10:37 AM (VjL9S)

26 Don't worry your furry lil' noggin' mi amigo! //Codename Wise Latina

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 10:37 AM (TE35l)

27 You're correct, but wrong scale. This is just Ohio (as far as I know no other state has such a law). The Supreme Court is deciding that every state (or Congress) >might< be able to do this. If they give it the thumbs up, it's only a matter of time.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 23, 2014 10:38 AM (nFI1a)

28 What is Truth? THAT science has been settled.

Posted by: Zombie Pontius Pilate at April 23, 2014 10:38 AM (kduZC)

29 I get it. The Rep. could plausibly hide behind the fact that he believed Obama was telling the truth. Thus, he didn't intentionally lie because he believed the Liar and Chief. There is a certain air of truthiness in this.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 23, 2014 10:38 AM (32Ze2)

30 Keep your powder dry.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2014 10:38 AM (YIZv0)

31 The standard way of thinking about political outcomes before public choice theory was to imagine the government as a disinterested referee, a neutral judge, hearing this or that claim from this or that constituency. Public Choice Theory posits instead that the government itself -- its bureaucrats, its politicians -- is in fact an interested party with its own economic and political agenda for the country, and makes decisions on that basis, just like anyone else. Small government vs Big government. A small government *is* (or at least is more likely to be) "a disinterested referee," simply because it lacks the power with which to be anything else. A big government, however, will never be a disinterested referee, because any activity which happens without its specific oversight/approval is seen as a slight against its authority.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 10:38 AM (PYAXX)

32 And you're right that this is state law of Ohio, but you can bet that if this were to be upheld, it would pop up elsewhere. Of note though, the SBA radio commercials did air and likely did have a large effect. I live in the area, and it is so pro-life here even the Democratic mayor tows the line.

Posted by: AMDG at April 23, 2014 10:38 AM (eFytx)

33

All I know is ... I took an oath to support this country, and an oath is for life !!!

 

Geez. The sooner we get to the burning, the better.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 10:38 AM (ABZ+u)

34 So, no more articles debunking the settled science of Global Warming..... I see how this will go.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 10:39 AM (oMKp3)

35 The Supreme Court is deciding that every state (or Congress) >might< be able to do this. If they give it the thumbs up, it's only a matter of time. --- The Dems were dangerous enough with the IRS at their disposal in 2012. Imagine them with freaking Truth Squads at their disposal.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 23, 2014 10:39 AM (APuJ7)

36 The law really is an ass.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 23, 2014 10:39 AM (LJ7Ze)

37 Or, as leftists like to say:

"Your rights end where my feelings begin."

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 23, 2014 10:39 AM (VjL9S)

38

In your mouth, I won't .

I mean it, that is the truth.

A lie?  What is that?

 

Posted by: Waddever at April 23, 2014 10:39 AM (Xv7f/)

39 12 AllenG, While true Alle the FEC(recently proud of its alum Louis Lerner) will be tempted to Jedi handwave itself that pwer though.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 10:39 AM (TE35l)

40 6 Don't worry your furry lil' noggin' mi amigo! //Codename Wise Latina Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 02:37 PM (TE35l You mean her name isn't petulant bitchito?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 10:39 AM (HVff2)

41 But they can control the activities of a few dozen companies that own and operate billboards. So plaster the message on every goddamn building.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 23, 2014 10:39 AM (nFI1a)

42 29 I get it. The Rep. could plausibly hide behind the fact that he believed Obama was telling the truth. Thus, he didn't intentionally lie because he believed the Liar and Chief. There is a certain air of truthiness in this. --- It's not a lie if you believe it.

Posted by: George Costanza at April 23, 2014 10:40 AM (APuJ7)

43 It takes a collectivist village to take power to truth.

Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 23, 2014 10:40 AM (thLL8)

44 35 Brandon in Baton Rouge, Urmmm...slurrr. garfle! //Woodrow Wilson's Drool Cup

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 10:40 AM (TE35l)

45 There's a similar law in Missouri that the St. Louis DA and County Atty threaten to usse to prosecute anyone telling lies about the boy king in 2008 election.

Posted by: Sir Pug A Lott at April 23, 2014 10:40 AM (8c12T)

46 Whose idea was it to put Charro on the Supreme Court?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 23, 2014 10:41 AM (LJ7Ze)

47 Sarah Palin's PAC sold my contact info to the Susan B. Anthony list and it took me years to get them to stop sending me their CONSTANT, ENDLESS JUNKMAIL shit. Thanks a lot, 'Cuda.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 23, 2014 10:41 AM (7ObY1)

48 The great thing about billboards and TV ads -- they get your message to people who otherwise won't hear it. Progtards and LIVs don't watch FoxNews, listen to Rush, or read Ace. With increased media fragmentation and consumer choice -- it's actually becoming harder to get your message out to people who don't want to hear it. It's easier than ever to ignore news and opinions you don't like. Which makes billboards and TV ads even more important for getting ideas to break out of, for example, the right wing ghettos.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 10:41 AM (ZPrif)

49 >>>This is just Ohio (as far as I know no other state has such a law). i think the article said 15 states have similar laws.

Posted by: ace at April 23, 2014 10:41 AM (/FnUH)

50 46 Whose idea was it to put Charro on the Supreme Court? --- Hey, she's got a good knowledge of Perry Mason episodes!

Posted by: Stuart Smalley, D-MN at April 23, 2014 10:41 AM (APuJ7)

51 I get it. The Rep. could plausibly hide behind the fact that he believed Obama was telling the truth. Thus, he didn't intentionally lie because he believed the Liar and Chief. There is a certain air of truthiness in this. Which has no bearing on the actual statement by the SBA. What he *believed* he was voting for was not mentioned. What he *did* vote for was. However, even so that misses the point. If I want to lie about what a politician has done/said I should be able to (before you say, "But Democrats!" they're already doing this anyway).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 10:42 AM (PYAXX)

52 33 ScoggDogg, Yeah bring on the baby bells....

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 10:42 AM (TE35l)

53 Aren't there already laws against libel and slander? Why do we need something additional?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 10:42 AM (oMKp3)

54 Some Truths are more equal than others.

Posted by: garrett at April 23, 2014 10:42 AM (Yv7Xy)

55 It's hard to be optimistic about our future. I will use the story of Daniel and the lion's den as my metaphorical illustration of the proper course in these uncertain times.

Posted by: Sambo at April 23, 2014 10:42 AM (/yjk5)

56


How many times must I say it?  

It was meant to be a bloody NOVEL.

Not an operating manual.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 23, 2014 10:42 AM (Xv7f/)

57 Hey, she's got a good knowledge of Perry Mason episodes! and she can strum.

Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 23, 2014 10:42 AM (thLL8)

58 Just like the Michigan case, in a sane world, this would be unanimous. But of course it won't. Freedom of speech apparently does not apply to political speech.

Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 10:43 AM (gmeXX)

59 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 02:34 PM (PYAXX) I got 6-3 with a similar line up to the Stolen Valor case. However, the Wise Latina may switch sides because "democrat." But that could be offset by Scalia or Thomas switching sides since (IIRC) they dissented on the idea Alverez was more or less straight up fraud. I'd also note that this is why we need a Anti-SLAPP statute that basically makes NYT v. Sullivan the law of the land and puts in place procedural stops to prevent chilling from lawsuits and prosecution. IANAL, but what SBA did doesn't even seem close to the Sullivan standard.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 23, 2014 10:43 AM (HDwDg)

60 The Dems were dangerous enough with the IRS at their disposal in 2012. Imagine them with freaking Truth Squads at their disposal. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 23, 2014 02:39 PM (APuJ7) __________________ Were? I don't believe that the IRS has been de-weaponized and I don't think it will be. The dems own the IRS and most of the other alphabet agencies as well. I fear my government.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 23, 2014 10:43 AM (32Ze2)

61 Tin foil hat territory Someone filed at joint 1040 EZ with my husbands identity and a woman he has never met who is a conservative donor Now someone has done the something with his bosses identity and a christian children s book author and conservative he has never met I think illegals are going down donor rolls, stealinv conservatives ID and filing false tax returns for refunds And they have their SSNs

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 10:43 AM (Ddbri)

62 Just like the Michigan case, in a sane world, this would be unanimous. But of course it won't. Because at some point we forgot that our Rights were given to us by Nature (or Nature's God), and NOT by Government. Anything given by government can be taken away by government.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 10:44 AM (PYAXX)

63 Government Asserting Power to Decide What the Political Truth Is We know when we hear it.

Posted by: The Gummint at April 23, 2014 10:44 AM (FcR7P)

64 53 Grammie Winger, Because those protect againt lies...this law protects democrats against truth.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 10:44 AM (TE35l)

65 Hmm, this Driehaus guy? I like the cut of his jib. I just wonder why he didn't have a SWAT team raid this Susan B Anthony List guy's house and possibly shoot Mr. List's dog. Signed, XXOO Jim Ardis. PS this is a spoof of Jim Ardis, please don't send a SWAT team to hold me at gun point* * although the dog shooting thing is not a spoof as the pigs love to shoot dogs nowadays when they're go all gestapo and shit.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 23, 2014 10:44 AM (FQLT3)

66 I seem to detect a twinge of astonishment in your post, Ace. But I'm sure I must be mistaken.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 23, 2014 10:45 AM (BZAd3)

67 I distinctly remember something in my case about prior restraints.

Is that still the law? 

Anyone?  Bueller?

Posted by: Daniel Ellsberg at April 23, 2014 10:45 AM (Xv7f/)

68 I think illegals are going down donor rolls, stealinv conservatives ID and filing false tax returns for refunds And they have their SSNs --- If you call the Feds on this, they'll deny handing out the info then arrest your husband for tax fraud.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 23, 2014 10:45 AM (APuJ7)

69 It's not a lie if you believe it. Posted by: George Costanza at April 23, 2014 02:40 PM (APuJ7) __________________ Yes. Isn't it sad that we live here? I would have never thought that I would have seen 1/2 the shit that has come to pass in this country in my lifetime.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 23, 2014 10:45 AM (32Ze2)

70 Hey, the fedgov usurped the sole authority to judge the limits of its own power a long time ago. Few people seem bothered by this circular idiocy.

So, usurping the authority to define Truth seems a natural consequence of that, no?

Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 10:45 AM (oGez1)

71 65.  The muzzies hate dogs too.  Hmmmm......

Posted by: Roscoe at April 23, 2014 10:46 AM (Xv7f/)

72 Let's just say both men are in a heavily regulated oil related industry and are conservative donors

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 10:46 AM (Ddbri)

73 Posted by: ace at April 23, 2014 02:41 PM (/FnUH) Any idea why standard defamation wouldn't cover this? I mean I guess it wouldn't technically be defamation to lie about how someone voted ("He voted no!" when he really voted yes) but still, surely there are some laws on the books that already cover this without the shitty way they went about it.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 23, 2014 10:46 AM (HDwDg)

74 69.  Your country is dead.  Believe THAT.

Posted by: Roscoe at April 23, 2014 10:46 AM (Xv7f/)

75

I'm telling you ... I don't care how simply you write any document such as the Constitution, some cock-sucker with a law degree will be along about fifteen minutes later to twist it's meaning.

 

If we ever get a do-over, we absolutely positively 100% can not empower the judiciary as we've done.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 10:47 AM (ABZ+u)

76 Which has no bearing on the actual statement by the SBA. What he *believed* he was voting for was not mentioned. What he *did* vote for was. However, even so that misses the point. If I want to lie about what a politician has done/said I should be able to (before you say, "But Democrats!" they're already doing this anyway). Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 02:42 PM (PYAXX) Yep. His defense was that the EO made it not so. Therefore, his "defense" leads even moreso that the law allows it, otherwise the EO would not be necessary.

Posted by: AMDG at April 23, 2014 10:47 AM (eFytx)

77 "12 You're correct, but wrong scale. This is just Ohio (as far as I know no other state has such a law)."  The Cato Institute's website said there were 12 or so states with similar laws.

Posted by: Bud Norton at April 23, 2014 10:47 AM (6cOMd)

78 And they have their SSNs Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 02:43 PM (Ddbri) If ever something deserved "Dude?", that's it right there.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 23, 2014 10:48 AM (BZAd3)

79 i think the article said 15 states have similar laws. I sit corrected.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 10:48 AM (PYAXX)

80 Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 02:43 PM (Ddbri) The IRS requirement that they get refunds out so fast they can't verify them combined with the moron fact that they will put them on untraceable pre-paid cards means that tax ID fraud has gone through the roof. It could be a coincidence, you get enough numbers and these coincidences crop up (and boy howdy do we have enough numbers.) This is actually a good reason to get your taxes done ASAP. Keeps the fraud at bay.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 23, 2014 10:48 AM (HDwDg)

81 73 TSRBike, In Ohio's case I am convinced this is a case of "incumbens v the world" I do not see a state GOP effort to kill it BUT I am not as connected as I once was. It reminds me of the SC GOP really....it's full of Democrats from the late 70s

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 10:49 AM (TE35l)

82 61 Tin foil hat territory Someone filed at joint 1040 EZ with my husbands identity and a woman he has never met who is a conservative donor Now someone has done the something with his bosses identity and a christian children s book author and conservative he has never met I think illegals are going down donor rolls, stealinv conservatives ID and filing false tax returns for refunds And they have their SSNs Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 02:43 PM (Ddbri) ---------------------- I don't think this is tin foil at all. These people are relentless.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 10:49 AM (oMKp3)

83 Like "hate crime" laws, you can make this law mean whatever you'd like it to mean. In other words, it will be used against sane people to shut them the fuck up. I still shake my head over the hate crime crap.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 23, 2014 10:50 AM (32Ze2)

84  I get it. The Rep. could plausibly hide behind the fact that he believed Obama was telling the truth. Thus, he didn't intentionally lie because he believed the Liar and Chief. There is a certain air of truthiness in this.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 23, 2014 02:38 PM (32Ze2)

 

 

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No.  What this shows is that he and everyone else that voted for this POS didn't read the fucking bill.  He was derelict as a representative.

Posted by: Soona at April 23, 2014 10:50 AM (OkDqc)

85 46 Whose idea was it to put Charro on the Supreme Court?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 23, 2014 02:41 PM (LJ7Ze)

++++

Which one are you talking about; Scalia?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2014 10:50 AM (IN7k+)

86 May I nominate Bill Ayers and his radical bitch wife as the co-directors of the truth squad?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 10:50 AM (HVff2)

87 As much as we're lied to by politicians, I suppose it's only natural that politicians want to be the sole determinators of what the truth is and isn't.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 10:50 AM (0HooB)

88 Truth is a collective right and our job to decide, bitches. -Love, Mommy Government

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 23, 2014 10:51 AM (t06LC)

89 I am actually torn on this. I am so sick of the Donk-ass Party and their blatant lies. (I see they are running an ad that says that Rethugs want to ban birth control.) But you are right. Allowing the guys who decide what an environmental threat is also decide what truth is would be a step too far.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 23, 2014 10:51 AM (XUKZU)

90 Slandering the Washington apparatchik is forbidden, comrade.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 10:51 AM (fW9N0)

91 Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 02:49 PM (TE35l) I'm not sure this law couldn't be turned against an incumbent as well. Although it's arguable they would be less prone to making mistakes that would lead to them being target by the law.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 23, 2014 10:51 AM (HDwDg)

92 Deciding what's true isn't something you want the hoi poloi doing. When you think about it it's something best left to experts.

Posted by: Benevolent Monarch at April 23, 2014 10:51 AM (TJ8HB)

93 Defamation law would cover this though the actual malice standard makes that nearly impossible to prove. The standard here is much less in so much as the government decides. Defamation law itself has its own problems. In the end, there are really no good ways to dealing with this. As troubling as it was, dueling may have offered the best way. If someone offended you to such a point, you just challenged them to a duel. They either recognized this and apologized or accepted the challenge. The possible outcome caused both parties to act reasonably. Barbaric? Probably. But it was a handy way to deal with defamation.

Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 10:51 AM (gmeXX)

94 I still shake my head over the hate crime crap. "Hate crime" legislation is one of the most pernicious evils inflicted on the American people by the various legislatures in history.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 10:51 AM (PYAXX)

95 It was a nice run folks. So long, and thanks for the fish.

Posted by: First Amendment at April 23, 2014 10:52 AM (TJ8HB)

96 The whole issue of having standing kinda pisses me off too. The way they define it, you pretty much have to take financial or social damage first. It has to be the kind where you write a check, or get suspended from school. Then you can sue for change or relief.
 
Then again, I'm surprised lawyers aren't for relaxing the rules on standing, seeing as how that would boost their employment. They could call it The Lawyers Will Never Work Again Act, to fool the rubes.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2014 10:52 AM (wNF3N)

97

Let me get this straight.



I have a taco stand.



My competitor wants to put up a billboard that says, "Best Tacos in Town".



I have my lawyer call the billboard company threatening to sue/prosecute for making a "false claim".



Voila!   They reject my competitors sign.



Sweet.



I LOVE living in the age of Obama.



PS.  Isn't what I just described a textbook example of extortion?  Of blackmail?

 

 

Posted by: Roscoe at April 23, 2014 10:52 AM (Xv7f/)

98 If only we had a Speaker that was clean, articulate, and wasn't half in the bag most of the time.

Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 23, 2014 10:53 AM (thLL8)

99 Did I mention 3 of the four identity thefts are from prominent execs at publically held companies and one is an author and all are in Houston or Dallas. This is no coibcidence

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 10:53 AM (Ddbri)

100 94 I still shake my head over the hate crime crap. "Hate crime" legislation is one of the most pernicious evils inflicted on the American people by the various legislatures in history. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 02:51 PM Really, you guys? With a limp wrist

Posted by: Matthew Shepherd, drug dealer at April 23, 2014 10:53 AM (HVff2)

101 What is truth?

Posted by: Pontius Pilate at April 23, 2014 10:53 AM (XUKZU)

102 89 I am actually torn on this. I am so sick of the Donk-ass Party and their blatant lies. (I see they are running an ad that says that Rethugs want to ban birth control.) But you are right. Allowing the guys who decide what an environmental threat is also decide what truth is would be a step too far. Republicans would never use any such law for fear of angry press. The bureaucracy would be liberal as well. It will only be used on law-abiding citizens.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 23, 2014 10:53 AM (nFI1a)

103 I am actually torn on this. Really? I can't believe this became a law, I can't believe this has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, I can't believe it won't be shot down 9-0.

Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 10:53 AM (gmeXX)

104 Well, it is Ohio]/i]. What did you expect?

Posted by: Williams from Michigan at April 23, 2014 10:53 AM (5YZQk)

105 "Hate crime" legislation is one of the most pernicious evils inflicted on the American people by the various legislatures in history. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 02:51 PM (PYAXX) __________________ This^^. They impute motive to a crime to impart additional sanctions that wouldn't be applied had you not been in a certain class. These laws should scare the shot out of everyone. That they don't speaks volumes on how far gone the country is.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 23, 2014 10:54 AM (32Ze2)

106 98 If only we had a Speaker that was clean, articulate, and wasn't half in the bag most of the time. Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 23, 2014 02:53 PM (thLL SOB, SOB, SOB, are you talking about me?

Posted by: John Boner at April 23, 2014 10:54 AM (HVff2)

Posted by: Williams from Michigan at April 23, 2014 10:54 AM (5YZQk)

108 I can't believe this became a law, I can't believe this has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, I can't believe it won't be shot down 9-0. Obviously you need your Cynicism levels checked.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 10:54 AM (PYAXX)

109 Truth is what happens while Democrat are making other plans.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 23, 2014 10:55 AM (XUKZU)

110 108 I can't believe this became a law, I can't believe this has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, I can't believe it won't be shot down 9-0. Obviously you need your Cynicism levels checked. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 02:54 PM Perhaps he neglected to say /Snark or something like that

Posted by: Internet Moderator at April 23, 2014 10:55 AM (HVff2)

111

@105

 

Except its really hard to commit a hate crime on whitey. You know.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 23, 2014 10:56 AM (t06LC)

112 incrementalism in defense of the blog format is no vice.

Posted by: Williams in recovery from binge TV at April 23, 2014 10:56 AM (5YZQk)

113 (I see they are running an ad that says that Rethugs want to ban birth control.) How this is allowed befuddles me to no end. Of course, there's no legal recourse in that case.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 10:56 AM (0HooB)

114 96.     The statute you describe wherein the oppressive rules of legal standing shall be eliminated  shall Henceforth and heretofore be referred to as the Lily Bedwetter Expansion of Justice and Access to the Judicial System Act.

Taxpayer payment of attorney fees shall be mandatory.

That is all.

Posted by: Dewey, Shaft & Howe at April 23, 2014 10:56 AM (Xv7f/)

115 Except its really hard to commit a hate crime on whitey. You know. Posted by: Jollyroger at April 23, 2014 02:56 PM (t06LC) ____________________ Eau Contraire. Whitey can be a victim of a "hate" crime if said whitey is Teh Ghey.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 23, 2014 10:57 AM (32Ze2)

116 Truth is what happens while Democrat are making other plans. Very shih-tzuian. Well done, ol wise one.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 10:57 AM (fW9N0)

117 108 I can't believe this became a law, I can't believe this has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, I can't believe it won't be shot down 9-0. Obviously you need your Cynicism levels checked. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 02:54 PM Perhaps he neglected to say /Snark or something like that --- No I generally can't believe this is even being decided. It boggles my mind. And yet, I'm pretty optimistic on a lot of things. I'm confident the law will be struck down, though I'm less confident that it will be struck down a clear rationale.

Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 10:57 AM (gmeXX)

118 Once the court is stacked with leftists, it almost is now, then all this is just academic. We've been lucky that Thomas and Scalia etc have been healthy, but with a few more leftists presidents making appointments that republicans rubber stamp, THERE IS NO HOPE.

Posted by: Dan at April 23, 2014 10:58 AM (COpZ4)

119 I'm no big fan of the GOP, but it's the Democrats who seem to look at the Bill of Rights as some sort of threat.

Posted by: Mike at April 23, 2014 10:58 AM (Rk8LS)

120 Sure hope you all are right about me and my support for free speech uber alles. Ahhhhhhhhh, it's good to be King.

Posted by: Justice Anthony Kennedy, flipping my magic coin at April 23, 2014 10:58 AM (hB/NU)

121

@115

 

Damn I forgot about teh gays. Well, just don't pick a gay one and otherwise its open season.

Posted by: Jollyroger at April 23, 2014 10:58 AM (t06LC)

122 114 96.The statute you describe wherein the oppressive rules of legal standing shall be eliminated shall Henceforth and heretofore be referred to as the Lily Bedwetter Expansion of Justice and Access to the Judicial System Act.Taxpayer payment of attorney fees shall be mandatory.That is all. --- You better give in, lad! Think of your credit rating!

Posted by: Security Guard In Terry Gilliam's Brazil at April 23, 2014 10:58 AM (APuJ7)

123 114 (I see they are running an ad that says that Rethugs want to ban birth control.) How this is allowed befuddles me to no end. Of course, there's no legal recourse in that case. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 23, 2014 02:56 PM (0HooB) Seriously, its time to fight back with an ad that says the "L" word. My opponent is a liar. I'm so sick and tired of them avoiding the use of that word. They didn't misspeak, they didn't articulate incorrectly. They flat out lied. If you are going to lose, go down swinging instead of playing paddy-cake with them bastards.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 10:59 AM (HVff2)

124 Here is the sad, banal truth of how stupid, unconstitutional, even evil laws come into being. Most people don't care. They figure, "Oh, it won't affect me, so whatevs," and just continue on with their lives. One can see why: it's hard to juggle work, and spouse, and kids, and social circle, and... So people focus on those things- those are close and tangible. They choose not to focus on "bigger, societal" things (except on an emotive level when they watch the 9 O'Clock news) because those things are remote and ephemeral. So those to whom these things *are* close and tangible (lawyers, legislators, lobbyists) get to do whatever they want. And what most people want is power- though they may not use that word themselves.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 10:59 AM (PYAXX)

125 97.   It's not extortion or blackmail if you get a member of your local bar association to put it in letter form for you.

Posted by: Dewey, Shaft & Howe at April 23, 2014 10:59 AM (Xv7f/)

126 117 108 I can't believe this became a law, I can't believe this has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, I can't believe it won't be shot down 9-0. A bill to classify the TEA party as terrorists would probably be defeated 5-4.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 23, 2014 10:59 AM (bxKJf)

127 Our second amendment rights are only hanging on by 5-4. ONE VOTE. You think that will change when a few more leftists presidents make left wing appointments? Hell, a GOP pres will do it.

Posted by: Dan at April 23, 2014 10:59 AM (COpZ4)

128
The current Ohio attorney general, Michael DeWine, signed both the Ohio State brief defending the law and a separate one for himself.

DeWine told the Court that he signed the brief for the state under his obligation to defend state laws that are attacked.

His own brief however voiced a concern that the Ohio truth-in-politics law may well be unconstitutional, and it argued that, in an appropriate case, the federal courts should actually judge its constitutionality — a process that the DeWine filing clearly implied should lead to a decision to strike down the law.



So, former Republican Senator DeWine arguing both sides of the issue -- against himself.

The GOP, Ladies and Gents.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 23, 2014 11:01 AM (kdS6q)

129 We've been lucky that Thomas and Scalia etc have been healthy, but with a few more leftists presidents making appointments that republicans rubber stamp, THERE IS NO HOPE. Actually, there is, but it doesn't get much press. One of the ideas brought up in the Article V Convention is that a 2/3rds majority of states could overturn any SCOTUS decision.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 11:01 AM (0HooB)

130 127 Our second amendment rights are only hanging on by 5-4. ONE VOTE. You think that will change when a few more leftists presidents make left wing appointments? Hell, a GOP pres will do it. Posted by: Dan at April 23, 2014 02:59 PM (COpZ4) Whatcha you talking about Dan?

Posted by: Harriet Meyers at April 23, 2014 11:01 AM (HVff2)

131 Hell, a GOP pres will do it. Fucking Willard would have. We are fucked.

Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 23, 2014 11:02 AM (thLL8)

132 This is one of those instances where a one or two page opinion would work best. Keep it very simple.

Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 11:03 AM (gmeXX)

133 "Hate crime" legislation is one of the most pernicious evils inflicted on the American people by the various legislatures in history. -- As opposed to "love crimes." Those I'm okay with.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at April 23, 2014 11:03 AM (jNGEi)

134 I'll say this: It is good that it turns out that the falsehood turned out to be the truth. So it turns out that the people appointed to determine the truth -- even if they were not corrupt -- cannot be trusted to make that determination with perfect accuracy. This is a good object lesson. Of course, since that would result in a victory for conservatives, the wise Latina and her fellow-travelers will end up writing a self-contradictory opinion on the subject. And, yes, she's an imbecile and doesn't give a damn about the Constitution, let alone the law.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 11:03 AM (T0NGe)

135 Oh, noes!!!!! This guy who slipped and fell and died (Camilla's brother) banged Caroline Kennedy. Small world, huh...

Posted by: Sir Pug A Lott at April 23, 2014 11:03 AM (8c12T)

136 Whatever the ruling, the LSM and D's will use it to their advantage. That's the nice thing about not having a core beyond total assimilation into a Borg-like entity.

That's what we keep missing.

Posted by: Mega at April 23, 2014 11:04 AM (hHFOx)

137 So, former Republican Senator DeWine arguing both sides of the issue -- against himself. The GOP, Ladies and Gents. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 23, 2014 03:01 PM (kdS6q) This is totally acceptable and should be commended. This is how a state AG should behave, not getting out of the way like many state AGs did when they didn't want to defend their state's gay marriage bans. Do your job, and if you have private objections, voice them on your own time and only after you have zealously argued for your client (the state).

Posted by: AMDG at April 23, 2014 11:04 AM (eFytx)

138 The biggest problem is that the Constitution was written for and intended for use by intelligent and moral people and their representatives. The population now is mostly stupid and immoral and our representatives are a few degrees worse on both counts. It is little wonder now why things aren't going quite right.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 23, 2014 11:04 AM (32Ze2)

139 Excellent post, Ace. I agree completely. OT: I just updated the iPhone to the latest IOS upgrade, 7.1.1. The whole thread just lost it's defining comment markers, the little boxes that separate one comment from the next. The whole thing looks like one run on comment. The only way to tell where one ends and the next begins is that the comment numbers are still hi lighted in red.

Posted by: Sambo at April 23, 2014 11:05 AM (/yjk5)

140 Posted by: AMDG at April 23, 2014 03:04 PM (eFytx) Agreed unlike Holder and TFG

Posted by: Harriet Meyers at April 23, 2014 11:05 AM (HVff2)

141 Oh, is this where I say that any commission tasked with determining "the truth" would put the entire legal profession out of business? Nah, I guess not.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 11:05 AM (T0NGe)

142 Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 03:03 PM (T0NGe)

The manzana doesn't fall too far from the arbol.

Posted by: Mega at April 23, 2014 11:05 AM (hHFOx)

143 128 Laurie David's Cervix at April 23, 2014 03:01 PM (kdS6q)

Ike's era got http://tinyurl.com/lr3oy6g "Why We Fight"...

our era gets "Why We Fucking Lose Constantly"...

essentially DeWine *is* doing the "right thing" State AGs ARE supposed to defend laws they don't like....

He should have handed SCotUS a roll of toilet paper and said "fuck Obamunism's vacation of rule of law"...

but he's a really REALLY nice guy.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 11:05 AM (TE35l)

144 One of the ideas brought up in the Article V Convention is that a 2/3rds majority of states could overturn any SCOTUS decision. I'd make it a simple vote of the House of Representatives. No veto, no senate interference. Every two years, the People have control over the Constitution. The Supreme Court can be a vestigial joke.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 23, 2014 11:05 AM (bxKJf)

145 @127 Because the donks have rigged a game where they can nominate and get confirmed candidates that are out and out liberal such as former counsel for the aclu ruth "buzzy" ginsberg or wise latinas like sonya "60% reversal rate" sotamayor and the GOP has to put up ciphers like John "I'm like an umpire calling balls and strikes unless its a tax" roberts.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 23, 2014 11:06 AM (QMRMM)

146 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 23, 2014 03:05 PM (bxKJf) Not sure I like the idea of mob rule in such a fashion.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 23, 2014 11:06 AM (HDwDg)

147 118 Once the court is stacked with leftists, it almost is now, then all this is just academic. We've been lucky that Thomas and Scalia etc have been healthy, but with a few more leftists presidents making appointments that republicans rubber stamp, THERE IS NO HOPE. Posted by: Dan at April 23, 2014 02:58 PM (COpZ4) If we can get a Republican prez in 2016 we can get Ruth Bader Ginsberg's replacement. He won't be a conservative (or more likely she) but she wouldn't be RBG.

Posted by: joncelli at April 23, 2014 11:06 AM (RD7QR)

148 Oh, noes!!!!! This guy who slipped and fell and died (Camilla's brother) banged Caroline Kennedy. Small world, huh... Not for Caroline. She's the Kevin Bacon of the New York Upper West Side elite crowd.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 11:07 AM (T0NGe)

149 Not sure I like the idea of mob rule in such a fashion. The opposite of mob rule is aristocratic rule. Nobody's explained to me why that's better.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 23, 2014 11:07 AM (bxKJf)

150 What we need on the SC is a cripple. Cripples are not represented.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 23, 2014 11:07 AM (32Ze2)

151 Aaaaand now the thread looks normal again. I swear I refreshed at least 5 times to check it out before writing that. I even opened the thread on my laptop to make sure that it wasn't a system problem. Nothing to see here. Carry on.

Posted by: Sambo at April 23, 2014 11:08 AM (/yjk5)

152

I want to amend each of the first ten amendments.  Tacked on to the text of each amendment shall be the words:

 

"No, seriously, we actually mean this".

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 23, 2014 11:08 AM (JtwS4)

153 this issue is easily solved by merely establishing a Ministry of Truth, comrades

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 11:08 AM (zOTsN)

154 "I'd make it a simple vote of the House of Representatives."

That would only work if Representatives consistently represented the will of their State. They don't. They largely represent the will of their bank balance.

The only workable solution is to take decisions that are not federal completely OUT of the hands of the federal government (i.e., Congress, SCOTUS, Exec) by turning it over to the States, which grant power to the feds in the first place.

Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 11:08 AM (oGez1)

155 I can't think that this ends up in less than a 6-2 for the first amendment. If it does go pear shaped, then this IS the hill to die on.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 11:09 AM (x3YFz)

156 I want to amend each of the first ten amendments. Tacked on to the text of each amendment shall be the words: "No, seriously, we actually mean this". Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 23, 2014 03:08 PM (JtwS4) __________________ I say that we end the first 10 with the words "In bed".

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 23, 2014 11:09 AM (32Ze2)

157  Once the court is stacked with leftists, it almost is now, then all this is just academic.

We've been lucky that Thomas and Scalia etc have been healthy, but with a few more leftists presidents making appointments that republicans rubber stamp, THERE IS NO HOPE.

Posted by: Dan at April 23, 2014 02:58 PM (COpZ4)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

That's when you'll see open defiance by some states.  Perhaps even secession. 

 

If not state governments, then open defiance by the people themselves.  It's already getting there.  Very close.

Posted by: Soona at April 23, 2014 11:10 AM (OkDqc)

158 155 I can't think that this ends up in less than a 6-2 for the first amendment. If it does go pear shaped, then this IS the hill to die on. Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:09 PM (x3YFz) I believe that this is just another series of hills to die on. I'm so fed up with all this bullshit.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 11:10 AM (HVff2)

159 If we can get a Republican prez in 2016 we can get Ruth Bader Ginsberg's replacement. He won't be a conservative (or more likely she) but she wouldn't be RBG. Posted by: joncelli at April 23, 2014 03:06 PM (RD7QR) ------------------------------------ Flashback time: Ruth Bader Ginsburg's skeleton was confirmed by the Senate 96-3. What do you think the chances are of a Republican president's* nominee getting more than 60 votes? *rhetorical. You're getting Hillary. President Hillary Clinton. Say it. SAY IT.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 23, 2014 11:10 AM (CJjw5)

160 139 Excellent post, Ace. I agree completely.

OT: I just updated the iPhone to the latest IOS upgrade, 7.1.1. The whole thread just lost it's defining comment markers, the little boxes that separate one comment from the next. The whole thing looks like one run on comment. The only way to tell where one ends and the next begins is that the comment numbers are still hi lighted in red.

Posted by: Sambo at April 23, 2014 03:05 PM (/yjk5)

++++

Have you tried rebooting?

Posted by: Microsoft Tech Support at April 23, 2014 11:11 AM (IN7k+)

161 155 I can't think that this ends up in less than a 6-2 for the first amendment. If it does go pear shaped, then this IS the hill to die on. Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:09 PM (x3YFz) Word.

Posted by: Sambo at April 23, 2014 11:11 AM (/yjk5)

162 154 goy at April 23, 2014 03:08 PM (oGez1)

or you know we could just uh break up the United States and go into baby bells.

ALL of this angst is because Republicans (rightly) fear the Massholization of Federal law....

the MA assholes in the Donk Party changing the law on the fly so Donkey always wins is the issue here and yes people it IS about to go Federal after Amigo Grande! gets finished

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 11:11 AM (TE35l)

163 Is there such a thing as Political Truth?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 11:11 AM (0HooB)

164 159 Empire of Jeff at April 23, 2014 03:10 PM (CJjw5)

You *will* be sponsoring me into Canuckistan as a Refugee right EoJ?

I can be a bus boy or a waiter...

*cue shitty accent*

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 11:12 AM (TE35l)

165 163 Is there such a thing as Political Truth?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 23, 2014 03:11 PM (0HooB)

++++

I'm right; you're wrong.

Next question.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2014 11:12 AM (IN7k+)

166 "or you know we could just uh break up the United States and go into baby bells."

So - go back to the structure prior to April 6, 1861. I think that would work just fine.


Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 11:13 AM (oGez1)

167 Maybe if we end the Constitution with a comma and then the word "bro", it will get taken seriously.

Posted by: Mega at April 23, 2014 11:13 AM (hHFOx)

168 Posted by: Microsoft Tech Support at April 23, 2014 03:11 PM (IN7k+) *Chuckle* After I posted that remark, the thread retuned to normal.

Posted by: Sambo at April 23, 2014 11:13 AM (/yjk5)

169
This is totally acceptable and should be commended.... Do your job, and if you have private objections, voice them on your own time and only after you have zealously argued for your client (the state).
Posted by: AMDG



Doing his job by supporting the state law? Actually agree. If you can't defend the law, recuse and let an underling step up.

Disagree with the rest. Because Dewine filed a brief taking a completely opposite position, in order to cover his ass politically.  Keep those remarks out of the Court.

As for Rep Gov. John R. Kasich, *crickets* apparently.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 23, 2014 11:13 AM (kdS6q)

170 Kinda O/T: Morning Plum: Conventional wisdom about 2014 takes another hit http://tinyurl.com/lmdn9ax Washington Post wishcasting once again. I wonder if they're lying?

Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 23, 2014 11:13 AM (thLL8)

171 I think my personal Favorite bit of Hubristic Narcissism is the feigning that the MinTru will ever be non-partisan in its rulings.....

I ask again "what nation?"

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 11:13 AM (TE35l)

172 Our second amendment rights are only hanging on by 5-4. ONE VOTE.

I doubt you can put an armed genie back in the bottle.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 23, 2014 11:13 AM (DL2i+)

173 This is a really stupid law.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 23, 2014 11:15 AM (T2V/1)

174 173 Vic at April 23, 2014 03:15 PM (T2V/1)

Yes it is, and I am sincere in thinking the FEC will try to Jedi Hand Wave it Federally if it is upheld.


Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 11:16 AM (TE35l)

175 Ponder this;

>>As I pointed out last month on NRO : “The median African-American student at law school has credentials lower than those of 99 percent of the Asian and white students — and underrepresented minorities admitted to law school based on a heavy preference are two to three times more likely to fail the bar exam.”<<

Read the rest at NRO;

http://tinyurl.com/k5lz3vw

Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2014 11:16 AM (GGCsk)

176 Lying isn't always a bad thing. The SBA should go to jail because they wanted to deprive someone of having a soothing wittle white lie to help him see his vote was for the greater good.

Posted by: Clintoon Era "Journalist" at April 23, 2014 11:16 AM (RGgMp)

177 He slipped and fell? Yeah, okay.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 11:16 AM (fW9N0)

178 172 - DaveA at April 23, 2014 03:13 PM (DL2i+)

"I doubt you can put an armed genie back in the bottle."

Not necessary to do that. All the gov't needs to do is make criminals out of the presently law-abiding, as they've done in NY and CT. At that point, the rights of any 'undesireable' can be ignored on that basis (i.e., s/he's a felon due to a firearms violation).

Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 11:17 AM (oGez1)

179 Our second amendment rights are only hanging on by 5-4. ONE VOTE. I doubt you can put an armed genie back in the bottle. Posted by: DaveA at April 23, 2014 03:13 PM (DL2i+) Yeah. Telling the American people to disarm is like telling guys not to look at boobs. not happening.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 11:18 AM (x3YFz)

180 Did he happen to, oh I dunno, be wearing a tight scarf around his neck at the same time? Or did he happen to enjoy the company of prostitutes?

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 11:18 AM (fW9N0)

181 The biggest problem is that the Constitution was written for and intended for use by intelligent and moral people and their representatives. The population now is mostly stupid and immoral and our representatives are a few degrees worse on both counts. It is little wonder now why things aren't going quite right.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 23, 2014 03:04 PM (32Ze2)

 

 

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And what's driving much of this stupidity and immorality.  I say the MFM and the entertainment industries, as usual.  It always comes back to them.

 

But I agree with your assessment.  It ain't gonna work until  people realize what's right and what's wrong.  Moral relativety is killing this nation.

Posted by: Soona at April 23, 2014 11:18 AM (OkDqc)

182 177 He slipped and fell? Yeah, okay. Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 03:16 PM (fW9N0) No law suit there. Ha-Ha. Sometimes its actually cheaper if they die than living as a fucked up vegetable.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 11:19 AM (HVff2)

183 The right of The People to bear arms shall, get this, not be infringed.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2014 11:20 AM (wNF3N)

184 Or he died by misadventure. You know, a misadventure that the royal family of inbreds would not made public.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 11:20 AM (fW9N0)

185 not happening. Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:18 PM (x3YFz) Oh I don't look at boobehs only Baracks fine ass.

Posted by: Reggie Love at April 23, 2014 11:20 AM (HVff2)

186 *rhetorical. You're getting Hillary. President Hillary Clinton. Say it. SAY IT. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 23, 2014 03:10 PM (CJjw5) [Pulls out tongue, prepares to rip it out with hot tongs] No! I won't thay it!

Posted by: joncelli at April 23, 2014 11:20 AM (RD7QR)

187 181 - Posted by: Soona at April 23, 2014 03:18 PM (OkDqc)

Moral relativety is killing this nation.

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Moral adolescence, in fact.

http://bit.ly/DmoX7

Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 11:21 AM (oGez1)

188 184 Or he died by misadventure. You know, a misadventure that the royal family of inbreds would not made public. --- Natural born sword swallower?

Posted by: The Queen Of Thorns at April 23, 2014 11:21 AM (APuJ7)

189 183 GnuBreed at April 23, 2014 03:20 PM (wNF3N)

and hey fuckhead...yeah you the retired stroke sounding dickhead with the book just out on ignoring me in 6 places...

"the people" denotes imagine this "the fucking whole body" not just people in the goddamned national guard you fucking senile twathammer"

//Shit the Living Constitution should say to Former Justice Stevens

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 11:21 AM (TE35l)

190 178 172 - DaveA at April 23, 2014 03:13 PM (DL2i+)

"I doubt you can put an armed genie back in the bottle."

Not necessary to do that. All the gov't needs to do is make criminals out of the presently law-abiding, as they've done in NY and CT. At that point, the rights of any 'undesireable' can be ignored on that basis (i.e., s/he's a felon due to a firearms violation).

Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 03:17 PM (oGez1)

++++

Not only that (but, yes, that too), but they can also do soft power kinds of things. Like making it the law that anyone who hasn't registered their semi-auto firearm is ineligible to register a vehicle. Sure, you could continue to drive with expired plates, but now you are at risk of having law enforcement target you anytime you are on the road.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2014 11:21 AM (IN7k+)

191 The right of The People to bear arms shall, get this, not be infringed. Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2014 03:20 PM (wNF3N) Oddly enough, since it's rattlesnake season, I carry 24/7 (yes, even asleep). Had a bunch of subcontractors rolling in and out and I have a Sig on my hip. Always. No one even blinks.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 11:22 AM (x3YFz)

192 I am certain this has been mentioned, but let us not forget that this is an incumbent protection law as well. After all, an opposition candidate who has not held office before will not have a voting record about which to lie.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 23, 2014 11:22 AM (mf5HN)

193 Did you see the Filipino protesters on Drudge getting firehosed? Fucking awesome.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 23, 2014 11:22 AM (CJjw5)

194 The Canadian interloper is right. The election is a mere formality; hillary clinton will succeed obama.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 11:22 AM (fW9N0)

195 But I agree with your assessment. It ain't gonna work until people realize what's right and what's wrong. Moral relativety is killing this nation. And the codified insanity that is Postmodernism ain't helping. What a truly fucked up world we live in...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 11:22 AM (0HooB)

196 Not only that (but, yes, that too), but they can also do soft power kinds of things. Like making it the law that anyone who hasn't registered their semi-auto firearm is ineligible to register a vehicle. Sure, you could continue to drive with expired plates, but now you are at risk of having law enforcement target you anytime you are on the road. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2014 03:21 PM (IN7k+) Who says I own any semi automatic anything? Got a warrant?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 11:23 AM (HVff2)

197 HotAir.com ‏@hotairblog Rand Paul: I think Republicans may have over-emphasized voter fraud http://hotair.com/?p=305613

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 11:24 AM (ZPrif)

198 The election is a mere formality; hillary clinton will succeed obama. Conjecture. I think there are legitimate quesitons about her health. That's whey they are trying so hard to make her look inevitable and avoid a protracted campaign.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 23, 2014 11:24 AM (659DL)

199 192 alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 23, 2014 03:22 PM (mf5HN)

Yup it was the incumbent protection act which is why the OH GOP is not louder about it.

They really are Charlie Brown to Lucy's football...

"hey uh Charlie Brown get this the commission will protect YOU too"

//Lucy "Donk Sucker" Van Pelt

thing is a lot like the IRS' games WRT "no political chicanery tax exempts" bargains with mules only last until the next burro show.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 11:24 AM (TE35l)

200 The Founders weren't kidding around when saying the Republic is a fragile thing.  Exhibit A is Obama's dereliction of duty, "B" is the progressive attempts to punish opponents with government agency action and now, covering thought and speech, we have this little piece of shit law.

Posted by: MTF at April 23, 2014 11:24 AM (LISuA)

201 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 03:23 PM (HVff2) And I quote: "Come and take it."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 11:24 AM (PYAXX)

202 Not only that (but, yes, that too), but they can also do soft power kinds of things. Like making it the law that anyone who hasn't registered their semi-auto firearm is ineligible to register a vehicle. Sure, you could continue to drive with expired plates, but now you are at risk of having law enforcement target you anytime you are on the road. --------------------------------- But they have no record of who owns these firearms. That's why they want them to be registered. The only sales records reside in the FFL's bound book of 4473s. And not all of those firearms will have been purchased in state, so even if they were able to go to every FFL in the state to start copying down sales data, it wouldn't work.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 23, 2014 11:24 AM (CJjw5)

203

"They can't round up 11 million illegals, they can't control the speech of half the country. "

...

....Oh they can round them up, they just don't want to.

Posted by: wth at April 23, 2014 11:25 AM (wAQA5)

204 Oh, someone upthread was talking about fleeing to Canada?  Yeah. About that.

Posted by: Mark Steyn at April 23, 2014 11:25 AM (JtwS4)

205 Rand Paul: I think Republicans may have over-emphasized voter fraud Tree, fruit, etc. I've been done with the Randster since the HALLIBURTON!!! clip went live.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 23, 2014 11:25 AM (659DL)

206  190 - Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2014 03:21 PM (IN7k+)

Precisely.

Point being: it's to the government's advantage NOT to pursue wholesale disarmament if they can selectively attack "undesireables" in any way they like, pursuant to their status as newly miinted felons based on some ex post facto "law" (like a req't to register something that didn't require registration when it was originally purchased).

Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 11:26 AM (oGez1)

207 Did you see the Filipino protesters on Drudge getting firehosed? Fucking awesome. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 23, 2014 03:22 PM (CJjw5) it struck me as odd. The pinyas and pinos are some of our closest friends. Half a century of military bases there and tons of folks have connections to the states. That the pinya govt would do that over an Obama protest (they hate that fucker, too) just tingles my "something ain't right here" nerve.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 11:26 AM (x3YFz)

208 204 Mark Steyn at April 23, 2014 03:25 PM (JtwS4)

Mark Mark we're coming to fix the idiocy Baby....

and hey YOU WON your free speech is under attack HERE now not back home.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 11:26 AM (TE35l)

209 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 23, 2014 03:24 PM (CJjw5) And just because you're shown as having purchased it doesn't mean you still have it. You can legally give guns as presents (under certain far-too-strict restrictions) or sell them w/o FFL to people you know personally (and who reside in-State, and... well, see prior comment about far-too-strict restrictions).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 11:27 AM (PYAXX)

210 Williams from Michigan, in Ohio we know how to close out our italics, unlike you.
Downside, our spaghetti sauce is lousy except over by Youngstown.

I am proud, proud I say to live in a polity where Truth is held inviolable.
In fact, I have volunteered for our State's special militia to protect her.

Posted by: The Bodyguard of Lies at April 23, 2014 11:27 AM (xq1UY)

211 196 Not only that (but, yes, that too), but they can also do soft power kinds of things. Like making it the law that anyone who hasn't registered their semi-auto firearm is ineligible to register a vehicle. Sure, you could continue to drive with expired plates, but now you are at risk of having law enforcement target you anytime you are on the road.



Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2014 03:21 PM (IN7k+)


Who says I own any semi automatic anything? Got a warrant?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 03:23 PM (HVff2)

Did you purchase it legally? If so, the NSA has probably hoovered up the record somewhere along the way. But, instead of sending someone to your door with a warrant, they just notify the DMV. You go to renew the registration on your car, DMV says there's a hold on you because of this weapon thing. If the weapon record is wrong, there is a process for you to go through to clear it up. Otherwise, the only way to get the hold lifted is to register the weapon like a good subject.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2014 11:28 AM (IN7k+)

212 196 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 03:23 PM (HVff2)

Who says I own any semi automatic anything? Got a warrant?

--------------------

"City Ordinance 427/21-5 clearly states that a warrant is NOT required in order to ensure public safety through house-to-house inspections. Please step aside."

Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 11:28 AM (oGez1)

213 That the pinya govt would do that over an Obama protest (they hate that fucker, too) just tingles my "something ain't right here" nerve. Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:26 PM (x3YFz) The protesters were leftists.

Posted by: joncelli at April 23, 2014 11:28 AM (RD7QR)

214 And just because you're shown as having purchased it doesn't mean you still have it. You can legally give guns as presents (under certain far-too-strict restrictions) or sell them w/o FFL to people you know personally (and who reside in-State, and... well, see prior comment about far-too-strict restrictions). Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 03:27 PM (PYAXX) I've bought and sold multiple firearms over the years. It's between me and the person buying it, cash under the table, and the govt can gofuk.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 11:28 AM (x3YFz)

215 210 The Bodyguard of Lies at April 23, 2014 03:27 PM (xq1UY)


Now now Mama DiSalvos, Giovanni(of Fairborn) and Spag Warehouse all have goodish marinaras...

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 11:28 AM (TE35l)

216 How in the Hell can I be expected to register something that's at the bottom of the Ohio River, courtesy of the God-Awful Canoe Incident of 2004 ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 11:29 AM (ABZ+u)

217 And just because you're shown as having purchased it doesn't mean you still have it. You can legally give guns as presents (under certain far-too-strict restrictions) or sell them w/o FFL to people you know personally (and who reside in-State, and... well, see prior comment about far-too-strict restrictions). Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 03:27 PM (PYAXX) Not to mention tragic boating accidents.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 23, 2014 11:29 AM (mf5HN)

218 Well, if Rand Paul runs, I have no doubt he'll end up with the nomination. Of course he'll be damaged goods by then. Our side will have beat the shit out of him and he'll go in the general election without a chance in hell.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 11:29 AM (fW9N0)

219 I don't know, worrying about the first amendment will only drive moderates from the GOP.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 23, 2014 11:29 AM (FQLT3)

220 216 ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 03:29 PM (ABZ+u)

Mine all fell into the Miami and Mad Rivers as I was canoeing towards Mexico

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 11:29 AM (TE35l)

221 From the transcript: RAND PAUL: Dead people do still vote in some elections. There still is some fraud. And so we should stop that, and one way of doing it is (driver's licenses). AXELROD: Although the incidence of fraud is relatively small. PAUL: It probably is, and I think Republicans may have over-emphasized this. I don't know. -- Paul did say that he supports voter ID efforts as a minimal standard and noted that you have to present an ID to enter government offices. But he had a different view of calls by Republicans in some states to curtail early voting, which tends to favor Democrats more than Republicans. "I don't think early voting is biased one way or the other," Paul said. "So I think eliminating it is a mistake for the -- Republicans who want to make their whole thing eliminating early voting, I think that's a mistake."

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 11:29 AM (ZPrif)

222 216 How in the Hell can I be expected to register something that's at the bottom of the Ohio River, courtesy of the God-Awful Canoe Incident of 2004 ? Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 03:29 PM (ABZ+u) Yeah, according to the internet the bottom of Lake Michigan is festooned with firearms at this point.

Posted by: joncelli at April 23, 2014 11:30 AM (RD7QR)

223 Posted by: Soona at April 23, 2014 03:18 PM (OkDqc) The Constitution was written back when actors were considered, and rightly so, to be unworthy low born members of society.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 23, 2014 11:30 AM (o3MSL)

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 23, 2014 11:30 AM (CTCNK)

225 How in the Hell can I be expected to register something that's at the bottom of the Ohio River, courtesy of the God-Awful Canoe Incident of 2004 ? Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 03:29 PM (ABZ+u) Reservoir in the rocky mountains. Sad sad day.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 11:30 AM (x3YFz)

226 Almost a month ago... another State voted for the Balanced budget Amendment, which should trigger a Constitutional Convention... Media and Fed Gov.... crickets.... When the ONLY group who decides what is Constitutional, is appointed by the Federal Government... and Paid for by Federal Dollars? Do you really think anyone is protecting THE PEOPLE?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2014 11:31 AM (84gbM)

227 Not to mention tragic boating accidents. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 23, 2014 03:29 PM (mf5HN) ---------------------------- I had one of those next month.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 23, 2014 11:31 AM (CJjw5)

228 216 How in the Hell can I be expected to register something that's at the bottom of the Ohio River, courtesy of the God-Awful Canoe Incident of 2004 ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 03:29 PM (ABZ+u)

++++

Sure, if that really happened, they require you to submit a report, signed under penalty of law.

If it didn't happen, but you are willing to say so anyway: now they have you as a criminal if it ever comes out that you still have the weapon.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2014 11:32 AM (IN7k+)

229  202 - Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 23, 2014 03:24 PM (CJjw5)

But they have no record of who owns these firearms.

---------------------------

No? They have no record of which you're currently aware, perhaps.

I continue to believe that a registration requirement where non-compliance results in a felony is designed to create a target-rich environment of felons who can be selectively prosecuted at will by whichever gov't entity seeks to do so, for whatever self-serving reason, with the status as 'felon' used as an excuse.


Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 11:32 AM (oGez1)

230 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 03:29 PM (ZPrif) 22 States allowed a group to look at their voter rolls... If what they found is Nationwide (all States)... then over 1 MILLION people voted in more than one State last Election... That is NOT a small number.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2014 11:33 AM (84gbM)

231 OK, ENOUGH! I'm just a country boy from the South. Tell me in plain English-does this mean the shooting is about to start? No? Oh well, next!

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at April 23, 2014 11:33 AM (X+nFp)

232 Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 03:32 PM (oGez1) 3 Felonies a day. They've already got that.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 11:33 AM (PYAXX)

233 This is why the bent of court's Leftists is so dangerous: Censorship is permissible under the view that rights are collective in nature.

Since the Collective decides what may or may not be said, censoring an individual does not violate any right to free speech since the Collective can't censor itself without the Collective's wish to do so. 

Further, the individual does not have any of their rights violated because they only receive rights as an individual if the Collective wills it to be so.

This will not end wellÂ…

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 23, 2014 11:33 AM (CTCNK)

234 That bound book of 4473s? All it takes is a few Progressive federales with a portable OCR scanner and a few minutes alone with it.
 
c. ref 'leaked' IRS documents on conservative groups or politicos.
 
There's the law, and then there's social justice. Dudes.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2014 11:34 AM (wNF3N)

235 Relatedly, Sen. Markey has proposed (again) legislation to ban "hate" speech. Naturally, a government agency would decide what is "hate" speech. Don't worry, though, Sen. Markey stated that the legislation would be consistent with the first amendment.

Posted by: Penfold at April 23, 2014 11:34 AM (Fbt5B)

236 No? They have no record of which you're currently aware, perhaps. I continue to believe that a registration requirement where non-compliance results in a felony is designed to create a target-rich environment of felons who can be selectively prosecuted at will by whichever gov't entity seeks to do so, for whatever self-serving reason, with the status as 'felon' used as an excuse. Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 03:32 PM (oGez1) I think jeff's point is that you can't register something you're not in possession of. Yer kinda getting drift here, right?

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 11:34 AM (x3YFz)

237 Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2014 03:28 PM (IN7k+) The power to tax confers the power to destroy; the power to regulate confers the power to destroy absolutely!

Posted by: Hrothgar Acton at April 23, 2014 11:34 AM (o3MSL)

238 233 The Political Hat at April 23, 2014 03:33 PM (CTCNK)

It'll end just fine Hat...

I skipped to the last two chapters...

the United States as rendered is dead and Freedom is still alive in North America....

only question is how long it takes to get from here to there and how many bodies.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 11:34 AM (TE35l)

239 I had one of those next month. A really big alligator ate all mine.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 11:35 AM (0HooB)

240 Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 03:32 PM (oGez1) They are supposed to purge your Request to buy a firearm after 90 days. However, it is a Federal Law, that they must keep backup copies of all Federal correspondence and data, so they can investigate stuff... Ergo... it is purged, but still in backups... and can then be easily found.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2014 11:35 AM (84gbM)

241 Not only that (but, yes, that too), but they can also do soft power kinds of things. Like making it the law that anyone who hasn't registered their semi-auto firearm is ineligible to register a vehicle. Sure, you could continue to drive with expired plates, but now you are at risk of having law enforcement target you anytime you are on the road. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2014 03:21 PM (IN7k+) ---------------------------------------- That's why I love living in OK. They don't any way to say I have those weapons. They pass a blanket warrant, they're going to see a lot of holes dug along fence rows.

Posted by: Soona at April 23, 2014 11:35 AM (OkDqc)

242 I had one of those next month. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 23, 2014 03:31 PM (CJjw5)
The ice is going to be thawed enough by then? The more you know!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 23, 2014 11:35 AM (mf5HN)

243 There's the law, and then there's social justice. Dudes. --- There's the law, there's social justice, and there's people who have been pushed too far.

Posted by: Buford Pusser at April 23, 2014 11:35 AM (APuJ7)

244 Clearly there is no natural right to make right-wing lies. Th government needs to stop hateful untruths that are contrary to the greater good.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 23, 2014 11:36 AM (APSEi)

245 234 GnuBreed at April 23, 2014 03:34 PM (wNF3N)

I've been boning up on "social justice looking from the right" fella...

"The fucking Federal Government wants to keep you from working to save bait fish motherfuckers"

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 11:36 AM (TE35l)

246 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 03:29 PM (ZPrif) Great. He's ignorant.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 11:36 AM (oMKp3)

247 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 23, 2014 03:29 PM (mf5HN I don't boat enough. I wonder if "left in the woods while trying to haul back a deer" would suffice? (There actually is a magazine for a 30-06 with 3 bullets in it somewhere out at the farm. I dropped it while trying to get said deer back.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 23, 2014 11:36 AM (HDwDg)

248 OK, ENOUGH! I'm just a country boy from the South. Tell me in plain English-does this mean the shooting is about to start? No? Oh well, next! Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at April 23, 2014 03:33 PM (X+nFp) heh. Not just yet. You ADD/OCD kids... look! squirrel!

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 11:36 AM (x3YFz)

249 "The fucking Federal Government wants to keep you from working to save bait fish motherfuckers" Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:36 PM (TE35l) You would *think* the GOP would seize on such arguments. You'd be wrong.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 11:37 AM (PYAXX)

250 Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:34 PM (x3YFz) Tovarisch, you were guilty of a dozen crimes before breakfast, we just haven't decided whether or not to persecute prosecute you today. #soon.

Posted by: Hrothgar Acton at April 23, 2014 11:37 AM (o3MSL)

251 >>Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:26 PM (x3YFz) <<

They are young leftists and have no memory of the true past. Only the shit other leftists are filing their heads with. They are the same type of fools who buy into the MLF crap.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2014 11:37 AM (GGCsk)

252 246 grammie winger at April 23, 2014 03:36 PM (oMKp3)

The apple doesn't fall far from the Paulnut evidently.

He had a short rope with my vote....

he's kicked the chair from under himself this month.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 11:37 AM (TE35l)

253 The Peoria mayor sent the law after some 20 something year old line cook that created a parody twitter account of the mayor. Used his power to search his home, and forced twitter to remove the page.

Posted by: Dave S. at April 23, 2014 11:37 AM (/BwGa)

254 "Actors were considered, and rightly so, to be unworthy low born members of society." I resemble that remark. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 11:37 AM (XyM/Y)

255 heh. Not just yet. You ADD/OCD kids... look! squirrel! Where! Oooooooooh.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2014 11:37 AM (YIZv0)

256 Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2014 03:37 PM (GGCsk) Wait. Did someone say MILF?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 11:38 AM (PYAXX)

257 I sold all of my firearms to gangbangers from out of the back of my minivan. Swearsies. Only after I filed off the serial numbers.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 23, 2014 11:38 AM (32Ze2)

258

I continue to believe that a registration requirement where non-compliance results in a felony is designed to create a target-rich environment of felons who can be selectively prosecuted at will by whichever gov't entity seeks to do so, for whatever self-serving reason, with the status as 'felon' used as an excuse.

 

Yes.  Insty flogs a book called "Six Felonies a Day", the premise being that if there are enough arbitrary and inane laws everyone is a criminal, so anyone may be persecuted with the law if they give offense.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 23, 2014 11:38 AM (JtwS4)

259 236 - Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:34 PM (x3YFz)

I think jeff's point is that you can't register something you're not in possession of.

Yer kinda getting drift here, right?

-----------------------------------------------------

Of course I get it. What I think people aren't getting is the extent to which a government bent on rule-through-intimidation can now get away with if they wish. For example: "you're not in possession? Well the record shows you are, so until you can prove otherwise you'll be detained." Pretty simple.

Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 11:38 AM (oGez1)

260 You would *think* the GOP would seize on such arguments. You'd be wrong. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 03:37 PM (PYAXX) They're not the brightest bowling ball shitting in the woods. That's for sure.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 11:39 AM (x3YFz)

261 The ice is going to be thawed enough by then? The more you know! Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 23, 2014 03:35 PM (mf5HN) --------------------------------- It's going to be more of a combo ice auger / firearms / pulk sled accident.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 23, 2014 11:39 AM (CJjw5)

262 Then there is Avril Lavigne mutilating that Japanese goddess of kawaii commerce Hello Kitty.

http://youtu.be/avMo9ssoQL0

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 23, 2014 11:39 AM (a26oX)

263 259 goy at April 23, 2014 03:38 PM (oGez1)


What I don't think you or the left get is sooner or later a lot of people are going to say "enough"...

the United States as currently rendered Politica;l/Academic/Media/Banker class wise is barely ahead of where the late Soviet Union was morally IMHO....

they keep pushing they are going to meet the same fate.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 11:40 AM (TE35l)

264 HotAir.com ‏@hotairblog Rand PaulÂ’s compassionate conservatism http://hotair.com/headlines/?p=293312 Â… Expand HeÂ’s already come out in favor of restoring voting rights to nonviolent felons. He also says here that, unlike many GOPers, he supports early voting. All of this will be useful to him if/when Democrats start in on him for questioning the 1964 Civil Rights Act. HeÂ’s building a defense to racism charges and distinguishing himself from his party, which is unpopular with the constituencies heÂ’s trying to appeal to, at the same time.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 11:40 AM (ZPrif)

265 Well the record shows you are, so until you can prove otherwise you'll be detained." Damned hard to do if I'm detained. Kinda like owing back child support & being locked up. No job = no money.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2014 11:41 AM (YIZv0)

266 "Oh, it won't affect me, so whatevs," AllenG, This is why SCOAMF repeatedly said if you like your plan/doctor you can keep it. LIV thinks it doesn't affect them at all.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at April 23, 2014 11:41 AM (9Bdcz)

267 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 23, 2014 03:39 PM (CJjw5) From Satan's ball sack to Satan's cold left foot. Charmed life you have there .

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 23, 2014 11:41 AM (HDwDg)

268 Yes. Insty flogs a book called "Six Felonies a Day", the premise being that if there are enough arbitrary and inane laws everyone is a criminal, so anyone may be persecuted with the law if they give offense. Frank Zappa noticed that 30 years ago. It's what Joe's Garage is all about. Toaster plooking, indeed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 11:41 AM (0HooB)

269 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 03:40 PM (ZPrif) Eh, pfffffffft on him.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 11:41 AM (oMKp3)

270 Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2014 03:33 PM (84gbM) Wasn't it Juan McCain that assured us there was NO voter fraud in the US, or maybe it was Rinse Praybus? All I know is that the GOPe public position is that this is not the hill to die on!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 23, 2014 11:41 AM (o3MSL)

271 by the way I suggest more of us start trying to bone up on it for THIS

"El Gobierno Federal de mierda quiere evitar que trabaja para salvar hijos de puta de peces de cebo"

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 11:42 AM (TE35l)

272

It's going to be more of a combo ice auger / firearms / pulk sled accident.

 

Amazing string of coincidences that's going to be.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 23, 2014 11:42 AM (JtwS4)

273 Charmed life you have there . Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 23, 2014 03:41 PM (HDwDg) ----------------------------- When you've been dancing between the raindrops without getting wet for as long as I have, snowflakes are child's play.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 23, 2014 11:42 AM (CJjw5)

274 This is not the hill to lie on

Posted by: John Boehner at April 23, 2014 11:42 AM (SO2Q8)

275 I accidentaly shipped all my weapons to Indonesia.  I realized my mistake and had them  scheduled for return.  My  "package" was on MH370.  I got the bill of lading right here in my hands.....er......where the hell did I lay that?

Posted by: Soona at April 23, 2014 11:42 AM (OkDqc)

276 262 Then there is Avril Lavigne mutilating that Japanese goddess of kawaii commerce Hello Kitty. http://youtu.be/avMo9ssoQL0 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 23, 2014 03:39 PM (a26oX) Ummmmm, is that bad luck or something? Please?

Posted by: joncelli at April 23, 2014 11:44 AM (RD7QR)

277 For example: "you're not in possession? Well the record shows you are, so until you can prove otherwise you'll be detained." Pretty simple. Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 03:38 PM (oGez1) I get ya. And I'm hearing exactly what you're saying. I think our geography is somewhat different. I'm out west here in cowboy land; things work a little different here. Guessing you're east or west coast, subject to nonsense. Sometimes I mistakenly take our freedom out here for granted and assume that everyone enjoys same. My error, and apologies. Without divulging details of the Great Baoting Catastrophe of 2009, I'll say that 0 of my weapons are (*cough*) were traceable. By design.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 11:44 AM (x3YFz)

278 201 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 03:23 PM (HVff2) And I quote: "Come and take it." Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 23, 2014 03:24 PM Allen, a man after my own heart. -------------------- "City Ordinance 427/21-5 clearly states that a warrant is NOT required in order to ensure public safety through house-to-house inspections. Please step aside." Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 03:28 PM (oGez1---- Like Allen says, come and take it or just try coming in the front door. There is more to life I want to live, but I'm old enough to leave happy..

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 11:44 AM (HVff2)

279 Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:40 PM (TE35l) It's even more serious than that sven. This country is arming up, big! I talk to people all the time and casually mention guns or ammo and it's on. People you would never really think are armed to the teeth. If this crap isn't turned back peacefully I guarandamntee you it's going to be turned back umm loudly. There are a lot of seriously upset people that are HEAVILY armed.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at April 23, 2014 11:44 AM (X+nFp)

280

My firearms?  I assume the ex-wife has them, she got everything else.  Search her place.  Here, let me put the address in your GPS for you.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 23, 2014 11:44 AM (JtwS4)

281 263 - Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:40 PM (TE35l)

What I don't think you or the left get is sooner or later a lot of people are going to say "enough"...

------------------------------

Really? Where's your evidence to support this? I thought the same for years. The past 7 have made me realize I was foolish for ever entertaining this position.

Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 11:44 AM (oGez1)

282 I donated all my splodeys to charity.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 11:45 AM (oMKp3)

283 It's time to reach across the aisle for amnesty!

Posted by: John Boehner at April 23, 2014 11:45 AM (RMg6O)

284 We just had a briefing on summer interns. The briefer actually said doinking  or other canoodling is frown upon. Some guy asked whatever happened to the Bill Clinton clause.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 23, 2014 11:45 AM (GGCsk)

285 268 >> Insty flogs a book called "Six Felonies a Day"
 
Actually, it's Three Felonies A Day, but close enough.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2014 11:45 AM (wNF3N)

286 Without divulging details of the Great Baoting Catastrophe of 2009, I'll say that 0 of my weapons are (*cough*) were traceable. By design. Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:44 PM (x3YFz Midwesterner here. Only 1 gun purchased through a person with FFL and by God that sank with all the other hand guns and long guns while traversing the Chippewa River. The Big Chip has my guns.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 11:46 AM (HVff2)

287 My firearms? I assume the ex-wife has them, she got everything else. Search her place. Here, let me put the address in your GPS for you. Yeah, and be real careful: there may be firearms there.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 11:46 AM (0HooB)

288 Today: Georgia governor signs gun law: http://fox43.com/2014/04/23/georgia-governor-signs-gun-law/

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 11:46 AM (aDwsi)

289 When you've been dancing between the raindrops without getting wet for as long as I have, snowflakes are child's play. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 23, 2014 03:42 PM (CJjw5) not sure that's something to be proud of but... hey, to each his own.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 11:46 AM (x3YFz)

290 joncelli, it should be.  Perhaps Zombie Psycho Hello Kitty will visit Avril ...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 23, 2014 11:47 AM (a26oX)

291 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 03:37 PM (XyM/Y) There are exceptions of course ;>)

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 23, 2014 11:47 AM (o3MSL)

292

Actually, it's Three Felonies A Day, but close enough.

 

I think the 2nd edition will be "Three Felonies A Day (So Far)".

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 23, 2014 11:47 AM (JtwS4)

293 Who wouldn't agree that the Enemy Within, er, public servants,  would be very fine arbiters of political speech.  They are doing a bang up job at the IRS, no?

Posted by: eureka! at April 23, 2014 11:48 AM (q7DBM)

294 And in other news: Rand Paul continues to reveal himself to be one of those possible candidates that one feels the need to take a bath even for thinking about voting for. Back to your regularly scheduled program.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 23, 2014 11:48 AM (BZAd3)

295 288 - Heh. I have sat in the very spot where the Gov sat when he signed the bill, to drink beer.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 11:48 AM (aDwsi)

296 287 My firearms? I assume the ex-wife has them, she got everything else. Search her place. Here, let me put the address in your GPS for you. Yeah, and be real careful: there may be firearms there. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 23, 2014 03:46 PM (0HooB) And a psycho who hates men ...

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 11:48 AM (Aqvh6)

297 >> My firearms? I assume the ex-wife has them, she got everything else. Search her place. Here, let me put the address in your GPS for you.
 
Lol. This approach has many possibilities.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2014 11:48 AM (wNF3N)

298 The Big Chip has my guns. Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 03:46 PM (HVff2) Truly tragic.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 11:48 AM (x3YFz)

299 My firearms? I assume the ex-wife has them, she got everything else. Search her place. Here, let me put the address in your GPS for you. Yeah, and be real careful: there may be firearms there. And she's been known to go off over the littlest of things.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2014 11:48 AM (YIZv0)

300 277 - Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:44 PM (x3YFz)
I get ya. And I'm hearing exactly what you're saying.

I think our geography is somewhat different. I'm out west here in cowboy land; things work a little different here.

Guessing you're east or west coast, subject to nonsense.

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Yes. However, I'm referring to the various burgeoning, militarized agencies of the federal government. You know, Obama's National Civilian Security Force. They were testing their boundaries out west just last week. They're clearly not done, much less defeated.

Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 11:49 AM (oGez1)

301 Since Romeo 13 commented, I thought I would too, it being, you know, somebody's birthday and all. Not that I have anything to say.

Posted by: Caliban at April 23, 2014 11:50 AM (DrC22)

302 I donated all my splodeys to charity. Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 03:45 PM (oMKp3) awwww! look at you! Giving firearms to the unfortunate and downtrodden! /hug

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 11:50 AM (x3YFz)

303 You know, Obama's National Civilian Security Force. They were testing their boundaries out west just last week. They're clearly not done, much less defeated. Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 03:49 PM (oGez1) Practice makes perfect (or at least good enough for government work)!

Posted by: J Reno at April 23, 2014 11:51 AM (o3MSL)

304 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April That's some funny shit BB. Oh and happy birthday to the morons who celebrate 4/23 as their birthday.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 11:52 AM (HVff2)

305 So is Driehaus going to held liable for denying the small business owner the revenue he would have received from those billboards.

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 11:52 AM (Aqvh6)

306 So in the debate of whether Huxley or Orwell were correct we're finding out that it's not either/or.

Posted by: gwelf at April 23, 2014 02:36 PM (nyxv/)

 

Orwell's dystopian totalitarians wanted to eliminate the human orgasm (and human pleasure altogether) because pleasurable sensations and the thoughts and emotions associated with them were a distraction from Big Brother.   Huxley's Brave New World embraced sensation so that people would be distracted from the ruthless injustices inherent to that system.  What both books demonstrate are twin methodologies designed to achieve and maintain the total subjugation of man. The desired end result is the same.

Posted by: troyriser at April 23, 2014 11:52 AM (2jF2B)

307 OT:

Is this a corgi hybrid?

http://cheezburger.com/60366337

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 23, 2014 11:52 AM (DL2i+)

308 You know, Obama's National Civilian Security Force. They were testing their boundaries out west just last week. They're clearly not done, much less defeated. Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 03:49 PM (oGez1) I've seen them. They have shit discipline, don't listen, make tactical mistakes left right and center. Fn clown car.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 11:53 AM (x3YFz)

309 Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:50 PM (x3YFz) They don't call it the Salvation ARMY for nothin, ya know. Onward Christian Soldiers .......

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 11:53 AM (oMKp3)

310 307 OT: Is this a corgi hybrid? http://cheezburger.com/60366337 Posted by: DaveA at April 23, 2014 03:52 PM (DL2i+) Yes, a blend of Corgi, German shepherd, and crackhead.

Posted by: joncelli at April 23, 2014 11:54 AM (RD7QR)

311 For sale 1 spayed Corgi bitch, named Stumpy or whatever. She comes with a crate, bed, brushes, toys and a 23 year old female who fucking knows everything. Hell, I'll throw in the dog food as well.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 11:54 AM (HVff2)

312 They don't call it the Salvation ARMY for nothin, ya know. Onward Christian Soldiers ....... Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 03:53 PM (oMKp3) Girl... yer a hoot. //doublehug

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 11:55 AM (x3YFz)

313

I've seen them. They have shit discipline, don't listen, make tactical mistakes left right and center.

Fn clown car.

 

That's cold comfort.

Posted by: Elizabeth Weaver at April 23, 2014 11:56 AM (JtwS4)

314 202- if you think the Feds haven't saved the NICS check data on every firearms dealer transaction since the system stood up in the 90s, you are smoking a fat bag of crack. They don't need the scans of your 4473s. They have the records of when the dealer phones the FBI call center that Senator Byrd (D-KKK) pork-barrelled to West Virginia. They also have every Internet post you ever made talking about your purchase, every Internet purchase record of parts and accessories, and so on.

Posted by: SGT Dan at April 23, 2014 11:56 AM (APSEi)

315 311 >> For sale 1 spayed Corgi bitch, named Stumpy or whatever. She comes with a crate, bed, brushes, toys and a 23 year old female who fucking knows everything.
 
You just know we're gonna need pics.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2014 11:56 AM (wNF3N)

316

Really? Where's your evidence to support this? I thought the same for years. The past 7 have made me realize I was foolish for ever entertaining this position.

 

 

----------------------------------------------

 

 

A couple of formerly unknown ranches in AZ and OK/TX.  Willingness is turning into action in some parts of this nation.  Don't project the attitudes of the people in your  area to be those of everyone.

Posted by: Soona at April 23, 2014 11:57 AM (OkDqc)

317 Zombie President Wilson would be so proud.

Posted by: Mainah at April 23, 2014 11:58 AM (659DL)

318 Yes, a blend of Corgi, German shepherd, and crackhead. That must've been a wild ride.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 11:58 AM (0HooB)

319 Posted by: SGT Dan at April 23, 2014 03:56 PM (APSEi) Data Overload though. I've moved 3 times since I bought my last (and sadly only) gun. I've bought magazines for friends as replacements (see above about dropped one in the woods.) I buy ammo to shoot with friends for guns I don't own. Etc. etc. etc.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 23, 2014 11:59 AM (HDwDg)

320 I had one of those next month. Posted by: Empire --------------- Talk to 'aussie' the next time he/she is here. They can arrange for it to happen tomorrow, today.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 11:59 AM (aDwsi)

321 308 - Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:53 PM (x3YFz)

I've seen them. They have shit discipline, don't listen, make tactical mistakes left right and center.

Fn clown car.

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Which makes them more dangerous to the population at large, not less, at this point. Unless and until the unorganized militia becomes organized nationwide - something I don't see happening based on the degree to which the frog is presently boiling -  these "civilian" entities will fill the brown shirt role quite adequately.

Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 12:00 PM (oGez1)

322 I envisioned a Corgi hanging helplessly from a German Shepherd.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 12:00 PM (0HooB)

323 You just know we're gonna need pics. Posted by: GnuBreed at April 23, 2014 03:56 PM (wNF3N Corgi or 23 year old? Hell, I'll give them a way, the for sale sign is taken down. Free to good home.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 12:00 PM (HVff2)

324 That's cold comfort. Posted by: Elizabeth Weaver at April 23, 2014 03:56 PM (JtwS4) eh. not really. they can't mass like the Chinese. What the govt would throw against the citizenry would, at first, be easy pickin's. They're geared and kitted up, but it's all nonsense. The most dangerous person I ever met wore shorts and an ammo rig and that's it. These guys? wannabes and amateurs.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 12:00 PM (x3YFz)

325 aussie is an 'ette.  From the future.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 23, 2014 12:01 PM (JtwS4)

326 Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 03:59 PM (aDwsi) Chuckles

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 12:01 PM (HVff2)

327 I buy ammo to shoot with friends for guns I don't own. Etc. etc. etc. Posted by: tsrblke ---------- In some jurisdictions, a felony now to have in your possession ammo for a gun you are not licensed to own.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 12:01 PM (aDwsi)

328 FSA may have horrible discipline.  But their motivation and mass will overcome...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 23, 2014 12:02 PM (a26oX)

329 aussie is an 'ette. From the future. Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 23, 2014 04:01 PM (JtwS4) Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence. Boobeh pics are considered the definitive proof of such an assertion

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 23, 2014 12:02 PM (yz6yg)

330 Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence. Boobeh pics are considered the definitive proof of such an assertion I'll allow it.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 12:04 PM (x3YFz)

331 Boobeh pics are considered the definitive proof of such an assertion Posted by: Sean ----------------------- Apparently, pictures from the future to make the leap backwards intact.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 12:04 PM (aDwsi)

332 I've seen them. They have shit discipline, don't listen, make tactical mistakes left right and center. Fn clown car. Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:53 PM (x3YFz) So you meanÂ…they're like Saddam's fedayeen. Talk about a turkey shoot. Good times. Good times.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 23, 2014 12:04 PM (yz6yg)

333 Apparently, pictures from the future to make the leap backwards intact. Posted by: Mike Hammer --------------- WTF? from the future do not make .....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 12:05 PM (aDwsi)

334 Apparently, pictures from the future to make the leap backwards intact. Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 04:04 PM (aDwsi) Pfffft. Ask Ace for the keys to the time machine.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 23, 2014 12:05 PM (yz6yg)

335 Many years ago along the shoreline of Lake GitchyGhuumy when a crossing of the might Carp River was forced, all gear was lost, and a forced overland trek of many miles through hostile wilderness, through deep snow, with many in the party lost to extreme winter temperatures and hostile natives and only a few survivors reached Fort Michilimackinac only to perish in the uprising that followed a game of lacrosse. . . and as you can see, these secret compartments hidden in the wall behind these photographs are for hoarding food, so I guess I'm being arrested for hoarding food, eh?

Posted by: Williams of the Far North at April 23, 2014 12:06 PM (9nXMb)

336 Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 04:01 PM (aDwsi) I am aware of such stupidity as of recently. Thankfully I do not live in one of those jurisdictions.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 23, 2014 12:06 PM (HDwDg)

337 So you meanÂ…they're like Saddam's fedayeen. Talk about a turkey shoot. Good times. Good times. Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 23, 2014 04:04 PM (yz6yg) You see that guy in the ill-fitting uniform? Don't shoot him. He's an idiot. The dude next to him barking orders? Him, you shoot.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 12:06 PM (x3YFz)

338 They're geared and kitted up, but it's all nonsense. The most dangerous person I ever met wore shorts and an ammo rig and that's it.

These guys? wannabes and amateurs.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 04:00 PM (x3YFz)

 

 

----------------------------------------

 

 

Heh.  Don't forget the cheap rubber-tire sandals.  They, of those of which you speak,  were  a good example of  deadly and  stealthy persistance.

Posted by: Soona at April 23, 2014 12:07 PM (OkDqc)

339 Yes the ice is thawing.

http://www.handbergs.com/webcam.htm

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 23, 2014 12:07 PM (DL2i+)

340 so I guess I'm being arrested for hoarding food, eh? Posted by: Williams ----------------- That may be coming sooner than you think. Because Social Justice.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 12:07 PM (aDwsi)

341 316 - Posted by: Soona at April 23, 2014 03:57 PM (OkDqc)

A couple of formerly unknown ranches in AZ and OK/TX.

------------

Hmmm... sounds like a real groundswell. Sorry, no need to project. I see no evidence that a critical mass of Americans even comprehends the issues they currently face, much less has a clue what they should do in response.

Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 12:08 PM (oGez1)

342 You see that guy in the ill-fitting uniform? Don't shoot him. He's an idiot. The dude next to him barking orders? Him, you shoot. Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 04:06 PM (x3YFz) Shoot anything that looks different. See the tank with three antennas? It's different. Kill it. See the guy with the clipboard? No one else has a clipboard. Shoot him first.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 23, 2014 12:09 PM (yz6yg)

343 Hmmm... sounds like a real groundswell. Sorry, no need to project. I see no evidence that a critical mass of Americans even comprehends the issues they currently face, much less has a clue what they should do in response. Posted by: goy ---------------- American Idol takes precedence.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 12:09 PM (aDwsi)

344 You see that guy in the ill-fitting uniform? Don't shoot him. He's an idiot. The dude next to him barking orders? Him, you shoot. When in doubt, shoot both idiots.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2014 12:10 PM (YIZv0)

345 See the guy with the clipboard? No one else has a clipboard. Shoot him first. Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 23, 2014 04:09 PM (yz6yg) The guy with the radio. And anyone next to him.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 12:10 PM (x3YFz)

346 340 -  Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 04:07 PM (aDwsi)
That may be coming sooner than you think. Because Social Justice.

---------------

Actually, in this case, they've managed to get the APA to deem 'hoarders' as psychologicall unstable.

Google DSM-V "hoarding disorder"


Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 12:11 PM (oGez1)

347 DRUDGE REPORT ‏@DRUDGE_REPORT REPORT: Over 40,000 voters registered in both Virginia and Maryland... http://drudge.tw/1lG7PZe

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 12:11 PM (ZPrif)

348 342 Shoot anything that looks different. So easily so much epic win here...

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at April 23, 2014 12:11 PM (UGWs/)

349 Guy with the PRC on back?  Hey mortar platoon...  scramble everyone plus the PRC user.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 23, 2014 12:11 PM (a26oX)

350 Democratic Meme: The Law is what I say it is

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 23, 2014 12:11 PM (nzKvP)

351 When in doubt, shoot both idiots. Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2014 04:10 PM (YIZv0) Oh, see? There's a JTAC inside all of us! B-52's.... "Doom 1 on station, call it." I hear music playing.... I'll be in my bunk.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 12:12 PM (x3YFz)

352 347 DRUDGE REPORT ‏@DRUDGE_REPORT REPORT: Over 40,000 voters registered in both Virginia and Maryland... http://drudge.tw/1lG7PZe Ironically, all 40,000 carry various GS and GM ratings.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at April 23, 2014 12:12 PM (UGWs/)

353 Hmmm... sounds like a real groundswell. Sorry, no need to project. I see no evidence that a critical mass of Americans even comprehends the issues they currently face, much less has a clue what they should do in response. John Adams estimated a third of the US wanted independence, a third wanted to stay loyal, and a third didn't care. America has never changed. It's always been one part freedom, one part tyranny, and one part apathy. What has changed is that the tories got most of the institutions and bureaucracies, and the leaders of the liberty group are liars.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 23, 2014 12:12 PM (gvWL9)

354

Boobeh pics are considered the definitive proof of such an assertion

 

Someone mentioned a bikini pic from Bondi, but I missed that one and I've been to polite to grovel for a repost.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 23, 2014 12:12 PM (JtwS4)

355 Shoot anything that looks different. See the tank with three antennas? It's different. Kill it. See the guy with the clipboard? No one else has a clipboard. Shoot him first. Hah... weird but it makes sense.

Posted by: eleven at April 23, 2014 12:12 PM (GXZgZ)

356

O/T Ukraine

 

Looks like Vlad is stirring the pot and trying to control the temperature at the same time. 

 

http://tinyurl.com/lqv78v6


 

Ukraine has captured three Russian military intelligence officers and estimates there are at least 100 more Russian military personnel directing unrest in eastern Ukraine, says Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, director of Ukraine's national security service.

"We detained three GRU officers," Nalyvaichenko said Tuesday, referring to the Russian Main Intelligence Directorate by its Russian acronym. "They are being interviewed in Kiev and have given us very important information and evidence."

Posted by: rd at April 23, 2014 12:13 PM (N7QgG)

357 Crane Lake! I have paddled that lake before. Love love love it up there. Gods Country

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 23, 2014 12:13 PM (32Ze2)

358 Nah All 40k carry EBT cards

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 12:13 PM (vJhxg)

359 I really think voter fraud has been exaggerated by Republicans.

Posted by: Compassionate Rand Paul at April 23, 2014 12:14 PM (ZPrif)

360 So easily so much epic win here... Posted by: akula51 at April 23, 2014 04:11 PM (UGWs/) Every time you post I think of Yukla-27. /deep breath not your fault.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 12:14 PM (x3YFz)

361
Just witnessed an interview on the Neil Cavuto show with Stuart Varney probing Governor Rick Perry and he's not the same man who ran in a previous election.  He has been groomed well, and presented as a very viable candidate who would could the table. Sum'itch cleaned up good!

Posted by: Doctor Fish at April 23, 2014 12:14 PM (nQjHM)

362 Nood

Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2014 12:15 PM (YIZv0)

363 360 /deep breath Progress, my friend...progress.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at April 23, 2014 12:15 PM (UGWs/)

364

Hmmm... sounds like a real groundswell. Sorry, no need to project. I see no evidence that a critical mass of Americans even comprehends the issues they currently face, much less has a clue what they should do in response.

 

 

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Notwithstanding wide-spread and blatant voter fraud, we'll find out in  November, won't we.

 

(btw.  If you want to be recognized with your comment, take the shit off your nic.)

Posted by: Soona at April 23, 2014 12:15 PM (OkDqc)

365 Hmmm... sounds like a real groundswell. Sorry, no need to project. I see no evidence that a critical mass of Americans even comprehends the issues they currently face, much less has a clue what they should do in response.

Posted by: 52% and growing [/i][/b] at April 23, 2014 12:15 PM (5ikDv)

366
What the fuck?     ...as a very viable candidate who could run the table.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at April 23, 2014 12:15 PM (nQjHM)

367 Love love love it up there. Gods Country

It really is so pretty that a falling down outhouse in the woods is art.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 23, 2014 12:16 PM (DL2i+)

368 Just saw Rick Perry on Cavuto with the Stuart Varney.  I have to admit, imho, he's presenting himself in a much stronger way than he did last presidential primary go 'round.  I don't want to build up my hopes, but I'm impressed with him...although he kinda punted on the amnesty issue.  Perry gave the impression he's strongly considering running in '16.  I could handle a Perry/Haley ticket.  Yeah, I could.

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 23, 2014 12:16 PM (tsGZY)

369 Shoot anything that looks different. So easily so much epic win here... Posted by: akula51 at April 23, 2014 04:11 PM (UGWs/) you guys are either Marines, Group or Regiment. Don't answer.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 12:16 PM (x3YFz)

370 Ah, but it's imported Canadian aborted babies. That classes it up. Weasel Zippers ‏@weaselzippers Aborted Babies Incinerated To Provide Electricity For Residents of OregonÂ… http://shar.es/T8egG via @WeaselZippers

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 12:16 PM (ZPrif)

371 Hah... weird but it makes sense. Posted by: eleven at April 23, 2014 04:12 PM (GXZgZ) It's Lesson Five in Tank Platoon Leader Skool. Lesson Six was, "If it's weird, it's French" No, I'm really not kidding.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 23, 2014 12:16 PM (yz6yg)

372 See the guy with the clipboard? No one else has a clipboard. Shoot him first. Posted by: Sean ----------------- * ponders discarding clipboards * I should point out that often the guy walking a round with a clipboard is an utterly useless tool.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 12:18 PM (aDwsi)

373 364 - Posted by: Soona at April 23, 2014 04:15 PM (OkDqc)

Notwithstanding wide-spread and blatant voter fraud, we'll find out in November, won't we.

(btw. If you want to be recognized with your comment, take the shit off your nic.)

-------------------------------------

I think we'll find out that the vast majority of people in this country will do as much about rampant voting fraud after this November as they did after the last election: zip-point-sh!t.

(I'm holding out for the day this site actually springs for a real comment widget. ;-P )

Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 12:19 PM (oGez1)

374 Lesson Six was, "If it's weird, it's French" No, I'm really not kidding. Posted by: Sean ----------------- Shaddup, and eat your broiled slugs.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 12:19 PM (aDwsi)

375 I'd just like to state, for the record, that all these people talking about how what they may or may not have "can't be confirmed" are exercising piss-poor signal and communications security. Which is why there are certain things I never discuss in open channels...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 23, 2014 12:19 PM (rt3TY)

376 Lesson Six was, "If it's weird, it's French" AMX-30 FTW!

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at April 23, 2014 12:21 PM (UGWs/)

377 AMX-30 FTW! Posted by: akula51 at April 23, 2014 04:21 PM (UGWs/) I see that you're a proud graduate of the Armor Officer Basic Course.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 23, 2014 12:24 PM (yz6yg)

378 John Adams estimated a third of the US wanted independence, a third wanted to stay loyal, and a third didn't care. America has never changed. It's always been one part freedom, one part tyranny, and one part apathy. What has changed is that the tories got most of the institutions and bureaucracies, and the leaders of the liberty group are liars. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 23, 2014 04:12 PM (gvWL9) I agree with this.

Posted by: Sambo at April 23, 2014 12:24 PM (/yjk5)

379 LeClerc as a tank name?  Trust the French.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 23, 2014 12:25 PM (a26oX)

380 John Adams estimated a third of the US wanted independence, a third wanted to stay loyal, and a third didn't care. John Adams was a wise, wise man. Nothing we see today, once he knew the context, would surprise him.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 23, 2014 12:26 PM (rt3TY)

381 You know, Obama's National Civilian Security Force. They were testing their boundaries out west just last week. They're clearly not done, much less defeated.

Posted by: goy at April 23, 2014 03:49 PM (oGez1)

I've seen them. They have shit discipline, don't listen, make tactical mistakes left right and center.

Fn clown car.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:53 PM (x3YFz)

 

From what I could see, Bundy's sympathizers were bunched up neatly enough in a line while the feds, although slow-moving and sloppy (probably from the heat), did retain a semblance of organization.  If push comes to shove, there is little or no possibility of a tactical mistake if one side lines up conveniently like targets on a range.

 

That whole Bundy standoff thing was a nightmare waiting to happen. The only reason a nightmare didn't happen is because the optics would've been absolutely terrible for the White House, not because the feds were afraid or that Freedom and Truth won the day.

Posted by: troyriser at April 23, 2014 12:27 PM (2jF2B)

382 The professional left completely understands the 2nd Amendment; that is why they are constantly trying to get around it. They know that so long as the population is armed that the government can only go so far. Since the Progs/Nazis want total control taking the teeth out of the second Amendment is their key to total victory. The problem is that the Second is its own enforcement clause - and they know that.

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at April 23, 2014 12:42 PM (ylhEn)

383 WTF is w/Ohio? Even my beloved only relatives are cocksucking donks. Rabid pricks about politics & how Great everything Donks is. They foam when you mention (Rs). Remember how every state agency SPEWED about Joe the Plumber? Deadbeat dad=false, No contracors license on file=flase...etc A few got transferred, 1 or 2 fired, but NOTHING like they deserved for releasing such private info. Back then, barry didn't have the pull to order that attack. The local Donks just knew to do it. Hoping to slobber the golden knob someday!

Posted by: hutch1200 at April 23, 2014 03:10 PM (Kdd08)

384 #369, depending on which Regiment you refer to, the answer is "maybe."

Posted by: SGT Dan at April 23, 2014 06:53 PM (3Z9LX)

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