April 22, 2014

Supreme Court Rules It's Ok For States To Not Discriminate Based On Race In College Admissions
— DrewM

It's amazing that self-anointed "leaders" of the civil rights movement in this country had actually twisted themselves to the point where they were arguing there was a constitutional mandate to discriminate based on race in college admissions. But we were.

The Supreme Court didn't rule that race based admission factors were unconstitutional. The 6-2 majority simply says that states once having created such preferences could legally remove them.

The justices said in a 6-2 ruling Tuesday that Michigan voters had the right to change their state constitution to prohibit public colleges and universities from taking account of race in admissions decisions. The justices said that a lower federal court was wrong to set aside the change as discriminatory.

Justice Anthony Kennedy said voters chose to eliminate racial preferences because they deemed them unwise.

Kennedy said nothing in the Constitution or the courtÂ’s prior cases gives judges the authority to undermine the election results.

I for one am gladdened and amused by Kennedy's new found respect for the people's right to amend their state constitution. I'm sure he'll lose it the next time his magic coin comes up the other way.

I'm having trouble downloading the opinion but I'm guessing Kagan recused herself from the case because of her work a Solicitor General. Ruth Bader Ginsberg joined Wise Latina Sonya Sotomayor's dissent which she read it from the bench (something justices do to show they have a sad over a decision).

I guess that means Steven Breyer joined with the majority which is...weird.

Added: This story has more background and the local view of the case.

University of Michigan President Mary Sue Coleman and admissions director Ted Spencer have decried the affirmative action ban, saying outright that the school cannot achieve a fully diverse student body with it in place.

"It's impossible," Spencer said in a recent interview, "to achieve diversity on a regular basis if race cannot be used as one of many factors."

Fifty-eight percent of Michigan voters in 2006 passed Proposal 2, a ballot initiative that amended the state constitution and made it illegal for state entities to consider race in admissions and hiring. With the Supreme Court's ruling, the only way left to nullify Proposal 2 is to mount a long, expensive and uncertain campaign to overturn it.

You want to fix the racial diversity issues in colleges? Ok, start with elementary and high schools. Start turning out students from places like Detroit that are ready to compete for slots at schools like U of M. If that means blowing up the public education system and the teacher's unions and replacing them with voucher programs and charter schools, so be it. It's "for the children" after all.

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1 6    to 23, huh?  Some justices are more equal than others.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2014 06:45 AM (aq5Dc)

2 I await the JEF and Jethro Bodine Holder, double aught lawyer, to say something truly ignorant about this.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 22, 2014 06:46 AM (EWYBa)

3 wow. In other news, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that water is wet.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 06:46 AM (x3YFz)

4 Thats some serious gravitas

Posted by: Bruce Lee's Fist at April 22, 2014 06:46 AM (M+evy)

5

Kennedy said nothing in the Constitution or the courtÂ’s prior cases gives judges the authority to undermine the election results.

 

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Unless we    are talking California     and    Prop 8

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2014 06:47 AM (aq5Dc)

6 6-23? Obama stacked the court without anyone noticing?

Posted by: mugiwara at April 22, 2014 06:47 AM (W7ffl)

7 "I'm sure he'll lose it the next time his magic coin comes up the other way. " Nicely put, Ace.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 06:47 AM (x3YFz)

8 Sotomayor just fucking hates white people, doesn't she?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 06:47 AM (ZPrif)

9 "The 6-23 majority..."

Wow....talk about a packed court!

I guess FDR finally got his wish.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2014 06:48 AM (QFxY5)

10 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 06:48 AM (PYAXX)

11 Sotomayor just fucking hates white people, doesn't she? Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 10:47 AM (ZPrif) If I was that f'n ugly, I'd hate everyone.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 06:48 AM (x3YFz)

12 Funny how Kagan recused herself on this case but there have been MANY MANY others where she hasn't recused herself, Obamacare being chief amongst them.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 22, 2014 06:48 AM (APuJ7)

13 "The 6-23 majority..." Ace, you just graduate from a Common Core math class?

Posted by: NotCoach at April 22, 2014 06:48 AM (rsudF)

14 I'll bet you wingnuts didn't even know that I had appointed 21 new commie justices to SCOTUS!

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at April 22, 2014 06:48 AM (Dwehj)

15 11 Sotomayor just fucking hates white people, doesn't she? Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 10:47 AM (ZPrif) If I was that f'n ugly, I'd hate everyone. --- Sotomayor is living proof that some people only succeed because they need someone who meets the right demographic profiles to be promoted.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 22, 2014 06:49 AM (APuJ7)

16 "3 wow. In other news, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that water is wet. Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 10:46 AM (x3YFz)" Idiot, that was a 5-45 majority rulling.

Posted by: NotCoach at April 22, 2014 06:49 AM (rsudF)

17 16 "3 wow. In other news, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that water is wet. Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 10:46 AM (x3YFz)" Idiot, that was a 5-45 majority rulling. --- How long until we get the 4-20 ruling on the Colorado pot measure, man?

Posted by: Tommy Chong at April 22, 2014 06:50 AM (APuJ7)

18 I'm pretty sure Wise Latina would rule that the Constitution demands wealth redistribution based on race -- just a straight up tax for having fair skin.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 06:50 AM (ZPrif)

19 So, the lesbian judge and the "la teee na" judge and the one who would like to abort black babies are pro-discrimination? Who'd a thunk it?

Posted by: ejo at April 22, 2014 06:50 AM (GXvSO)

20 If I were any wiser, I'd be an owl.

Posted by: The Wise Latina at April 22, 2014 06:50 AM (Dwehj)

21 So, does that mean that Michigan's duly voted on and correctly worked Constitutional amendment defining marriage as between one man and one woman , that was overturned by a single judge who felt sorry for his lesbian clerk who had to go out and buy sperm(I still cannot make the connection), may stand a chance of being ruled , uh, constitutional? We'll see.

Posted by: Jen at April 22, 2014 06:51 AM (OPPHX)

22 I guess that means Steven Breyer joined with the majority which is...weird.

And RAYCISS.

I'll get the popcorn for watching the denunciations.

Posted by: HR at April 22, 2014 06:51 AM (ZKzrr)

23 "It's impossible," Spencer said in a recent interview, "to achieve diversity on a regular basis if race cannot be used as one of many factors." Wow. That's racist. Like, actually racist. Not "Chris Matthews' dog-whistle" racist. Translated from the original Progtard: "Black and brown people are too stupid for college."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 06:51 AM (PYAXX)

24 Meanwhile in a related field the NLRB is set to rule that unions can not only have snap surprise elections but can also demand personal data like phone numbers and addresses of employees. That is how communism is run and I am not sure, but can NLRB decisions be contested at the Supreme Court Level?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2014 06:52 AM (t3UFN)

25 So, the lesbian judge and the "la teee na" judge and the one who would like to abort black babies are pro-discrimination? Who'd a thunk it? Posted by: ejo at April 22, 2014 10:50 AM (GXvSO) The female supreme court justices are there out of one single motivating factor: bitterness at being "HOLY SHIT!" Ugly.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 06:52 AM (x3YFz)

26 Ruth Bader Ginsberg joined Wise Latina Sonya Sotomayor's dissent Surprise, surprise, surprise....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 22, 2014 06:52 AM (56Cua)

27 Ginsberg is still alive to cast idiotic votes because of the medical system she seeks to destroy. Sometimes God plays cruel tricks on humans.

Posted by: fairweatherbill deerslayer at April 22, 2014 06:52 AM (vA2UI)

28 Funny how Kagan recused herself on this case but there have been MANY MANY others where she hasn't recused herself, Obamacare being chief amongst them.



Yes, strange how on a 6-2 decision she takes a powder unlike a 5-4.  Why it's almost like there's something nefarious going on here...

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 22, 2014 06:52 AM (EWYBa)

29 Is there any level of government fucking over of white people for having fair skin that Sotomayor would vote against? What are the limits to her support for systematic racial discrimination by the government against the white people she hates so much?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 06:53 AM (ZPrif)

30 So, now everybody DOESN'T get a trophy? What about precious snowflake's self-esteem? This will be a disaster for wealth distribution as well. Can't you SEE??? This is the end!!! /s

Posted by: tcn at April 22, 2014 06:53 AM (lp+pe)

31 "Nicely put, Ace." Drew. Ace is still sound asleep after putting in a long night of sewing on the hobo suit.

Posted by: . at April 22, 2014 06:53 AM (vgIRn)

32 who felt sorry for his lesbian clerk who had to go out and buy sperm --- I blame the courts in Kansas for this one. There are a lot of guys willing to donate for free as long as they aren't on the hook when the two mommies break up and the state wants dad on the hook for child support. Well... they'll donate for free as long as at least one of them doesn't look like a trucker.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 22, 2014 06:53 AM (APuJ7)

33 Sotomayor is spanish for "get it off me!"

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 06:53 AM (x3YFz)

34 Democrats will say and do anything to defend their racism. But how about this guy? Dan Clevinger is mayor of the small Missouri town where the Democrat Congressional candidate and racist/white supremecist shooter formerly lived, the fellow who attacked a Kansas Jewish Community Center last week, and the mayor kind of agrees with the shooter. Oddly, no news stories are reporting his party affiliation. I wonder why? http://tinyurl.com/nu8ty43

Posted by: Villagers with a torches and Pitchforks, and not happy right now at April 22, 2014 06:54 AM (LISuA)

35 Nice piece Drew of course I suspect the moonbats will simply ignore the ruling and "My People" won't enforce it.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 22, 2014 06:54 AM (TE35l)

36 "Nicely put, Ace." Drew. Ace is still sound asleep after putting in a long night of sewing on the hobo suit. Posted by: . at April 22, 2014 10:53 AM (vgIRn) Correction, Drew. Sorry man. I'm only 1 cup of coffee into the morning and my dog farted.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 06:54 AM (x3YFz)

37 Standard Obama Admin policy is to:

1) Ensure that every vote is COUNTED.

2) Ignore the count and do whatever the hell we want.

You bible-clinging, gun-toting rednecks are too stupid to be listened to on any issue that actually matters.

Posted by: Dick Holder at April 22, 2014 06:55 AM (A+inS)

38 Translated from the original Progtard: "Black and brown people are too stupid for college." Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 10:51 AM (PYAXX) The ones that understand that are the Uncle Toms, you H8rz!!!1111!!!11eLeBiNtYraYcissssbiLlIon!!!11

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 22, 2014 06:55 AM (56Cua)

39 Dear Wise Latina: How many licks does it take to destroy the Constitution? Ah-one Ah-two-hooo Ah-three Three licks to destroy the Constitution. Any more questions, annoying whitey?

Posted by: Sotomayor's Mailbox at April 22, 2014 06:55 AM (7ObY1)

40 The soft bigotry of low expectations.... continues apace for the race-hustling grievance mongers.

Posted by: tcn at April 22, 2014 06:55 AM (lp+pe)

41 39 Dear Wise Latina: How many licks does it take to destroy the Constitution? Ah-one Ah-two-hooo Ah-three Three licks to destroy the Constitution. Any more questions, annoying whitey? --- It takes more than that, honey.

Posted by: Former AG Janet Reno at April 22, 2014 06:56 AM (APuJ7)

42 "'It's impossible,' Spencer said in a recent interview, 'to achieve diversity on a regular basis if race cannot be used as one of many factors.'"

Well if they manage to achieve diversity w/o using race as a factor then we know they're breaking the law now, don't we?

Posted by: Wilkey at April 22, 2014 06:56 AM (A+inS)

43 Meritocracy, Baby!

Posted by: DoublePlusUnGood Scary Words... at April 22, 2014 06:56 AM (qoKTg)

44 I was not aware that the Supreme Court was actually a dating site for disgruntled lesbians.

Posted by: tcn at April 22, 2014 06:56 AM (lp+pe)

45 Posted by: Former AG Janet Reno at April 22, 2014 10:56 AM (APuJ7) I'm not sure who this really is, but that's just uncool this early in the morning.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 06:57 AM (PYAXX)

46 Well... they'll donate for free as long as at least one of them doesn't look like a trucker. ********* And even then, probably. We're men. We'd f*** mud.

Posted by: Bob at April 22, 2014 06:57 AM (vgIRn)

47 I was not aware that the Supreme Court was actually a dating site for criminally repulsive lesbians. Posted by: tcn at April 22, 2014 10:56 AM (lp+pe) FTFY

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 06:57 AM (x3YFz)

48 Well, Mr. Spencer needs to quit his job as he sounds like he won't follow the law.

Posted by: ejo at April 22, 2014 06:57 AM (GXvSO)

49 I'm not sure who this really is, but that's just uncool this early in the morning. --- You're welcome.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 22, 2014 06:57 AM (APuJ7)

50 Will somebody explain to me what is so damned wonderful about "diversity?" So far that just means that you have folks that look different. Doesn't mean anything intellectually, or even socially. What benefit is there to having folks with different skin colors? Seems this could be achieved with free tanning beds, is all.

Posted by: tcn at April 22, 2014 06:57 AM (lp+pe)

51 We believe in meritocracy. People should get what they deserve. For example, white people deserve to be punished for the sins of their forefathers.

Posted by: Progtard 2000 at April 22, 2014 06:58 AM (ZPrif)

52 41Reno, John Reno at April 22, 2014 10:56 AM (APuJ7)

I love it when the left talks like that...

hum some more Humma....

//Her Majesty the Ice Queen of Nueva Yiorqa
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Posted by: sven10077 at April 22, 2014 06:58 AM (TE35l)

53

"'It's impossible,' Spencer said in a recent interview, 'to achieve
diversity on a regular basis if race cannot be used as one of many
factors.'"

 

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Funny how nobody claims that this     belief is racist, yet it is obviously so.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2014 06:58 AM (aq5Dc)

54 In 1592, Columbus sailed the blue.

Posted by: The Wise Latina at April 22, 2014 06:59 AM (Dwehj)

55 Newspeek diversity: everyone looks differently, but think the exact same. Brought to you by the university of skunkbears.

Posted by: AMDG at April 22, 2014 07:00 AM (eFytx)

56 Will somebody explain to me what is so damned wonderful about "diversity?" Well "diversity" is all about the Prog/Commies feeling good about themselves. Actual diversity (which is diversity of thought and opinion- and the antithesis of "diversity") is awesome because the more ways you can consider the problem, the more likely you are to find an optimal solution.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 07:00 AM (PYAXX)

57 Not enough black people for the U of Mich? I know, $25,000 vouchers ought to fix that!

Posted by: WayJest at April 22, 2014 07:02 AM (7U0nG)

58 It is shameful that diversity is     desired in skin tone, but     repressed      in thought.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2014 07:02 AM (aq5Dc)

59 By the way, I think university administrators have impossibly difficult jobs. They're right at the bleeding edge of every social issue and most of the people they're contending with have lawyers.

Posted by: Villagers with Torches and Pitchforks, and not happy right now at April 22, 2014 07:02 AM (LISuA)

60 Umm, Horde?  Tap tap tap.  Is this thing on?  Hey Horde! Did you notice that this is a Win?

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 22, 2014 07:03 AM (JtwS4)

61 53 "'It's impossible,' Spencer said in a recent interview, 'to achieve diversity on a regular basis if race cannot be used as one of many factors.'" -- Funny how nobody claims that this belief is racist, yet it is obviously so. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2014 10:58 AM (aq5Dc) And apparently they're not willing to address what makes certain "people of color" appear to do worse because, duh, they're obviously of inferior intellect, right? So what would be the point? It couldn't have anything to do with cultural factors, no? Let's just ignore the fact that, as Sowell pointed out, in the UK, poor black kids (children and grandchildren of African and West Indian immigrants) do better than poor white kids. Culture? Nah.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 07:03 AM (r+7wo)

62 "It's impossible," Spencer said in a recent interview, "to achieve diversity on a regular basis if race cannot be used as one of many factors."


Then he might want to rethink "diversity" and admit that he simply wants more dumb in the school,  because apparently that's what he believes and that's what's important to him.  More dumb.  Get me more dumb.  Gotta have some more dumb in here.  Now!

Posted by: Dang at April 22, 2014 07:04 AM (MNq6o)

63 This will really matter the first time a school gets sued for transgressing MI's Prop 2.  If this ends up not having any teeth, either because it wasn't designed to or because the bleeding hearts in the MI government refuse to bite down, then it's just a feel-goodism. 

Still, thanks for not shitting the bed on this one, SCOTUS, and outright good work, Michigan. 

Posted by: shillelagh at April 22, 2014 07:04 AM (hRzu2)

64 I always thought diversity meant me never having to say I'm sorry if you're a fuckup just because you also happen to be a minority.

Posted by: Fritz at April 22, 2014 07:05 AM (UzPAd)

65 Really, diversity means we cannot trust white people when left by themselves. We need the rainbow around them or they will do bad stuff.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2014 07:05 AM (7U0nG)

66 0 Umm, Horde? Tap tap tap. Is this thing on? Hey Horde! Did you notice that this is a Win? Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 22, 2014 11:03 AM (JtwS4) And a loss for the skunkbears! Woo!!

Posted by: AMDG, who will never really graduate at April 22, 2014 07:05 AM (eFytx)

67 I am a proud Michigander. I am. That being said AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SUCK IT U OF M ADMINISTRATORS AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Everyone from the U of M out there whinging about this decision should be forced to wear nothing about Ohio State University *spit* regalia for the rest of the year.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 22, 2014 07:06 AM (mf5HN)

68 My 100% unadulterated African blood nephew moved in with me a few months ago in the middle of the school year and proceeded to do better than most students in his high school classes and impress his teachers. (He happens to be the only black kid in his grade, I think.) But no, black people are naturally inferior, so let's not make any efforts to actually improve their education. (As you can tell, this really frosts me.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 07:06 AM (r+7wo)

69 Of the state universities in Michigan, The University of Michigan is the most difficult to get into. What often doesn't come up in discussions about using racial preferences, is that the students who get in, but don't have the academic background of other students, are being set up for frustration, and even failure. They would probably be happier and more successful at one of the other universities.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 22, 2014 07:06 AM (ynL/v)

70 OT: stock tip: STON Funeral home Co. Pays dividends. People ain't gonna stop dying. Better than a savings account!

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 07:06 AM (x3YFz)

71 Has anyone in the psychology field taken a crack yet at the liberal neurosis that a race that comprises about 13% of the total population should achieve 100% visibility in all areas and positions in life.  


Posted by: B at April 22, 2014 07:07 AM (Pson9)

72

It couldn't have anything to do with cultural factors, no?

 

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Exactly.  People have traditionally been separated by income and social factors, not ethnic background.  By using     ethnicity     as a determining factor, they are exacerbating the problem, but perhaps that is their goal.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2014 07:07 AM (aq5Dc)

73 Can we PLEASE ban the use of the word "diversity" in the English language. It is pussyfying the world!

Posted by: Citation X driver at April 22, 2014 07:07 AM (49lPc)

74 61 chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 11:03 AM (r+7wo)

Even though the character is a bitch I adore Sherlock's portrayal of the Detective Sgt under LeStrade as a witty educated Englishwoman of African descent or as Boob Costas would says a "British African-American"....

I fucking hate the left because they are enabling the Black slouching towards gammora.

I did not comment on the devolution of Forensic competition on campus the other day because my heart would pop....

"fuck da' time!" indeed....

Lincoln and Douglas have both been eclipsed as speakers.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 22, 2014 07:07 AM (TE35l)

75 The 6-23 majority simply says... I guess FDR did get away with packing the court. I must have had some lousy teachers. Or not enough diversity in my class.

Posted by: Ed Anger at April 22, 2014 07:07 AM (tOkJB)

76 "Fifty-eight percent of Michigan voters in 2006 passed Proposal 2, a ballot initiative that amended the state constitution and made it illegal for state entities to consider race in admissions and hiring. With the Supreme Court's ruling, the only way left to nullify Proposal 2 is to mount a long, expensive and uncertain campaign to overturn it." It stands about a snowball's chance of being overturned by voters. The attitude toward U of M and it's whiney race, gender, and sexual orientation catering lost it's glow to the public many years ago. It's even more prevalent now that the school has publicly fought so hard to demand that the courts permit them to racially discriminate.

Posted by: Jen at April 22, 2014 07:08 AM (OPPHX)

77 My 100% unadulterated African blood nephew moved in with me a few months ago in the middle of the school year and proceeded to do better than most students in his high school classes and impress his teachers. (He happens to be the only black kid in his grade, I think.)

But no, black people are naturally inferior, so let's not make any efforts to actually improve their education.

(As you can tell, this really frosts me.) Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick)


Read up on the guy who just won the Boston Marathon yesterday!  What a great family he comes from!

Posted by: Dang at April 22, 2014 07:08 AM (MNq6o)

78 I wish we could force these high and mighty compassionate libs to be treated by a crappy minority doctor* when they have a serious medical issue because diversity. *I know it goes without saying that there are fantastic minority doctors, but I want a crappy one to be foisted on them since skin tone is all that matters.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 07:08 AM (r+7wo)

79 58 It is shameful that diversity is desired in skin tone, but repressed in thought. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2014 11:02 AM (aq5Dc) Thread winner. 60 Umm, Horde? Tap tap tap. Is this thing on? Hey Horde! Did you notice that this is a Win? Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 22, 2014 11:03 AM (JtwS4) Yep, but still too early in the AM to do handsprings.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 22, 2014 07:08 AM (56Cua)

80 To the Left, Diversity just means as few White people as possible, and as many Black people as possible. The NBA is routinely praised for having so much Diversity. NBA is 85% black when blacks are 14% of the population. NBA has 1 asian dude. In terms of "looking like America", the NBA is far less diverse than the NFL or the MLB. MLB actually closely mirrors the ethnicity of America, percentage wise. Yet NBA is though of as the Most Diverse. Cause it has the highest % of black players and the lowest % of white players of the major sports. In real life, the Left sees 5 white people and see 0% Diversity. They see 5 black people and they see 100% Diversity. They see 5 asians and they just get kinda confused and drift off.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 07:08 AM (ZPrif)

81 Umm, Horde? Tap tap tap. Is this thing on? Hey Horde! Did you notice that this is a Win? Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 22, 2014 11:03 AM (JtwS4) Yeah... but we're all so jaded at this point, we need a Michael Jordan dunk to get us out of our seats.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 07:09 AM (x3YFz)

82 59 - Which is why they get paid shedloads of money. So whether they are compromising their principles or they have no principles, they can bend to the leftists skillfully and consistently.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 22, 2014 07:09 AM (7U0nG)

83 OT: stock tip: STON

Funeral home Co. Pays dividends. People ain't gonna stop dying.
Better than a savings account! Posted by: tangonine

But do they own the patent on Soylent Green?

Posted by: Dang at April 22, 2014 07:09 AM (MNq6o)

84 Has anyone in the psychology field taken a crack yet at the liberal neurosis that a race that comprises about 13% of the total population should achieve 100% visibility in all areas and positions in life. Posted by: B at April 22, 2014 11:07 AM (Pson9) I demand more white people in the NBA! It should reflect the general population!!!

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 07:10 AM (r+7wo)

85 The three racist women all were on the wrong side.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 22, 2014 07:10 AM (LJ7Ze)

86 They see 5 asians and they just get kinda confused and drift off. Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 11:08 AM (ZPrif) I laughed. So true.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 07:10 AM (x3YFz)

87 When a liberal hollers about diversity what they really mean is "We need more people here who agree with me!".  Which is why black conservatives really set a liberal's hair on fire with anger.  Life isn't playing along with the voices in their head.

Posted by: B at April 22, 2014 07:11 AM (Pson9)

88 Narrow.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 22, 2014 07:12 AM (LJ7Ze)

89 What often doesn't come up in discussions about using racial preferences, is that the students who get in, but don't have the academic background of other students, are being set up for frustration, and even failure.

Many of them are still on the hook for a year or two of student loans, even though they couldn't complete a degree, so they're actually worse off than if they'd never gone.

Is that one of zombie's "progg policies rooted in their hatred of black people"?  Because it should be.

Posted by: HR at April 22, 2014 07:12 AM (ZKzrr)

90 I demand more white people in the NBA! It should reflect the general population!!! Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 11:10 AM (r+7wo) When we can clone MJ, I'll watch again. Recruiting 7'3" freaks from the mountains of wherethefuckistan with names like "Obudmnnugin" is just asshattery. Also recruiting kids out of HS is BS. Stopped watching 20 years ago, it's just nonsense.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 07:12 AM (x3YFz)

91 Read up on the guy who just won the Boston Marathon yesterday! What a great family he comes from! Posted by: Dang at April 22, 2014 11:08 AM (MNq6o) African immigrant's kids tend to be successful in life because of the same factors that make other groups successful - cohesive families, striving for excellence. In fact, we are way more focused on academics than white people. In both churches I've attended in this state, the Africans in general had a much, much higher level of education than the rest of the church and had a higher economic status. It's the culture, dumb libs.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 07:13 AM (r+7wo)

92 Meanwhile, the MU football and basketball coaches are contemplating hari kari.

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 07:13 AM (trhm+)

93 60 Umm, Horde? Tap tap tap. Is this thing on? Hey Horde! Did you notice that this is a Win? Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 22, 2014 11:03 AM (JtwS4) Except they never really lose, just find a more convoluted way to get what they want. So it's only a win for now.

Posted by: joncelli at April 22, 2014 07:14 AM (RD7QR)

94 I don't watch basketball either. Stopped watching a few strikes ago.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 22, 2014 07:14 AM (LJ7Ze)

95 I think university administrators have impossibly difficult jobs. They're right at the bleeding edge of every social issue and most of the people they're contending with have lawyers. Posted by: Villagers with Torches and Pitchforks, and not happy right now at April 22, 2014 11:02 AM (LISuA) Yeah fine and dandy, but maybe if they showed a little backbone or a set of balls once in a while and stood their ground, they would not be in the position of giving into left wing lunacy every time.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2014 07:14 AM (t3UFN)

96

Recruiting 7'3" freaks from the mountains of wherethefuckistan with names like "Obudmnnugin" is just asshattery.

 

We can't stand those goatfuckers.

Posted by: Overthereistan at April 22, 2014 07:14 AM (BrQrN)

97 OK. I've vented enough. To work with me. Later, people.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 07:15 AM (r+7wo)

98 I'd like to see it as a victory, but of course as we all know the Colleges and Universities will do what they were doing overtly in a covert manner in order to circumvent the law. It'll take another twenty years or so to catch up with what they'll be doing after this decision.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 22, 2014 07:15 AM (nnkXw)

99 African immigrant's kids tend to be successful in life because of the same factors that make other groups successful - cohesive families, striving for excellence. In fact, we are way more focused on academics than white people. In both churches I've attended in this state, the Africans in general had a much, much higher level of education than the rest of the church and had a higher economic status. It's the culture, dumb libs. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 11:13 AM (r+7wo) The Etheopian immigrants who came to Israel in Operation Moses are very intelligent and do very well in Israeli society. They quickly spoke not only Amharic, but also Hebrew and English.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2014 07:16 AM (t3UFN)

100 It's the culture, dumb libs. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 11:13 AM (r+7wo) Hi cutie! (I'm still stalking you) But yes. I pushed maybe 500 kids through basic calc based physics in the last few years. 2 Black women, 4 black men. 1 woman was a military spouse, 1 of the men sent me an e-mail thanking me as he was accepted to Brown. 6 of 500. 1% I can only teach who shows up, and culture is the barrier.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 07:17 AM (x3YFz)

101 Also recruiting kids out of HS is BS. Stopped watching 20 years ago, it's just nonsense. --- You think that's bad? The AAU bullshit has lead to a bunch of players who have known each other for years like LeBron, Melo, and Bosh to trying to form "superteams" with all their friends. That's not a problem on its own as much as when some of these players are fucking their previous teams on the way out of town, like LeBron with Cleveland and Chris Paul with New Orleans.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 22, 2014 07:17 AM (APuJ7)

102 It's the culture, dumb libs. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick)

Amen!  I hope you nephew isn't getting teased by the American blacks for "trying to act white."  I have heard of this from other African immigrants.

Posted by: Dang at April 22, 2014 07:18 AM (MNq6o)

103 @32 I blame the courts in Kansas for this one. There are a lot of guys willing to donate for free as long as they aren't on the hook when the two mommies break up and the state wants dad on the hook for child support. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge ________________________________ Don't stop there, you can blame the courts in Kansas for a number of other sand-poundingly stupid decisions. Kansas has an unearned reputation as a deep red state. No, it has a lot of deep blue "thinkers" who register Republican so they can get elected and then reach across the aisle to "moderate Democrats" like . . . Kathleen Sebelius. And then she packs the courts with hardcore lefties and dull-witted moderates.

Posted by: Furious George at April 22, 2014 07:18 AM (yFb77)

104 OT - I just read the link about Peter Yarrow, who had sex with a 14-year-old, being honored by a NYC high school. In general when lefty feminists talk about a 'rape culture' they're talking a lot of nonsense, but I think a grown man having sex with a 14-year-old would actually qualify as part of a rape culture. Letting a 20-year-old college kid question the co-ed who is accusing him of rape? "RAPE CULTURE!" A grown man having sex with a minor (a la Peter Yarrow or Roman Polanski)? "Here's your award." This really pisses me off and is further evidence of my theory that lefties don't want to actually do the hard work of trying to solve society's problems. They just want to feel good about themselves as they make life difficult for normal people, all which ignoring the real problems.

Posted by: biancaneve at April 22, 2014 07:19 AM (2sR50)

105 If they want to do some type of affirmative action work-around, they could do something tied to socio-economics, which, you know, may make more sense.

Posted by: AMDG, who will never really graduate at April 22, 2014 07:19 AM (eFytx)

106 Roseanne Barr ✔ @therealroseanne Follow Neuter boys at birth 2:02 PM - 21 Apr 2014 Liberal tolerance, ahoy!

Posted by: Citizen X at April 22, 2014 07:19 AM (7ObY1)

107 104 OT - I just read the link about Peter Yarrow, who had sex with a 14-year-old, being honored by a NYC high school. I fail to see the problem.

Posted by: Noted Pederast Hairy Reid at April 22, 2014 07:20 AM (7ObY1)

108 You think that's bad? The AAU bullshit has lead to a bunch of players who have known each other for years like LeBron, Melo, and Bosh to trying to form "superteams" with all their friends. That's not a problem on its own as much as when some of these players are fucking their previous teams on the way out of town, like LeBron with Cleveland and Chris Paul with New Orleans. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 22, 2014 11:17 AM (APuJ7) I didn't know that. But I've divorced myself from the NBA for decades now and you just gave me another reason to never watch it.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 07:20 AM (x3YFz)

109 Good to see this.

Posted by: Y-not at April 22, 2014 07:20 AM (zDsvJ)

110 Amen! I hope you nephew isn't getting teased by the American blacks for "trying to act white." I have heard of this from other African immigrants. Posted by: Dang at April 22, 2014 11:18 AM (MNq6o) Not enough American black to tease him, LOL. We're in white bread country, although it's getting a little more racially diverse now. But he told me about a group of wiggas in his school, lol, and one apparently (semi-?) overtly racist guy that makes people feel uncomfortable.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 07:20 AM (r+7wo)

111 Saddest research I read recently was how the 2nd and 3rd gen offspring of African immigrants are doing worse than their parents and reverting to the lower standards of the avg black American -- along with increased anti-social behavior and increased belief that America is unfair and racist towards blacks. Basically the parent comes here and is so happy that America offers them opportunity and a better life -- and then our school system trains their kids into a belief in learned helplessness and that they'll never be given a fair shot cause America is racist and hates black people.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 07:21 AM (ZPrif)

112 Roseanne Barr ✔ @therealroseanne Follow Neuter boys at birth 2:02 PM - 21 Apr 2014 Liberal tolerance, ahoy! Posted by: Citizen X at April 22, 2014 11:19 AM (7ObY1) Well in one respect she is right. Her father should have been neutered at birth

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2014 07:21 AM (t3UFN)

113 106 Roseanne Barr ✔ @therealroseanne Follow Neuter boys at birth 2:02 PM - 21 Apr 2014 Liberal tolerance, ahoy! Posted by: Citizen X at April 22, 2014 11:19 AM (7ObY1) Hmmm. Makes sense leftists don't see female genital mutilation as that bad, then.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 07:22 AM (r+7wo)

114 Try this fun experiment sometimes. 
First: Find a liberal: extra points if it's a family member.
Next, ask them to name the last time and place that Dems ever offered "midnight basketball" programs to a predominantly white, economically depressed neighborhood or town.
Lastly, call them a racist for their answer.

Family reunions will just fly by.

Posted by: B at April 22, 2014 07:22 AM (Pson9)

115

The question arises what about the reverse?  What about if the voters enforce discrimination (falsely called affirmative action)?

 

Wonder if that holds up...

Posted by: prescient11 at April 22, 2014 07:22 AM (tVTLU)

116

Meanwhile in a related field the NLRB is set to rule that unions can not only have snap surprise elections but can also demand personal data like phone numbers and addresses of employees. That is how communism is run and I am not sure, but can NLRB decisions be contested at the Supreme Court Level?

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Just hand them a few phone books. "Here ya go, they're all in there"

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 22, 2014 07:22 AM (SO2Q8)

117 The Wise Latina has a sad. That's fucking rich.

Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 22, 2014 07:22 AM (thLL8)

118 Stupid fucking bastards at the NY Slimes just love them some "new and improved" Marxism. There ain't no cure for stupidity. Why don't we celebrate some "new and improved" National Socialism? Stupid idiots think if you piss in a glass of wine, you don't ruin the wine, you improve the piss.

Posted by: maddogg at April 22, 2014 07:22 AM (xWW96)

119 http://tinyurl.com/luf5rxx

Posted by: maddogg at April 22, 2014 07:23 AM (xWW96)

120 "Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." Fredrick Douglass We can't seem to get past this feeling as a nation, regardless of our color. Someday, maybe someday.

Posted by: fairweather bill at April 22, 2014 07:23 AM (vA2UI)

121

I just read the link about Peter Yarrow, who had sex with a 14-year-old, being honored by a NYC high school.

He'll receive the Order of Polanski medal.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2014 07:23 AM (DrWcr)

122 This will really matter the first time a school gets sued for transgressing MI's Prop 2. If this ends up not having any teeth, either because it wasn't designed to or because the bleeding hearts in the MI government refuse to bite down, then it's just a feel-goodism. Still, thanks for not shitting the bed on this one, SCOTUS, and outright good work, Michigan. Posted by: shillelagh at April 22, 2014 11:04 AM (hRzu2) This is how this entered into the court system. In 2003, U of M was sued twice for discriminating against white applicants and won their case at the Supreme Court. Here is the decision. http://tinyurl.com/l6touxk So voters fought back. In 2006, they amended the Michigan State Constitution to prohibit racial discrimination in hiring and in college admissions in the state. U of M then sued. And today's decision upholds the voter's decision to amend the constitution. What should be noted is how the court flip flopped on it's opinion of discrimination depending on who is in the black robes. In 2003 it was ok for U of M to racially discriminate in admission because the state didn't specifically ban it. In 2014, it is not ok because the state bans it. Go figure.

Posted by: Jen at April 22, 2014 07:23 AM (OPPHX)

123 and one apparently (semi-?) overtly racist guy that makes people feel uncomfortable. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 11:20 AM (r+7wo) I can fix that.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 07:23 AM (x3YFz)

124

Drew. Ace is still sound asleep after putting in a long night of sewing on the hobo suit.

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How many more hobos if you want it to be double breasted?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 22, 2014 07:23 AM (SO2Q8)

125 How many more hobos if you want it to be double breasted?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 22, 2014 11:23 AM (SO2Q

 

Just one, but it has to be a female hobo.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 22, 2014 07:24 AM (DrWcr)

126 What? ace is milking cats?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 22, 2014 07:25 AM (32Ze2)

127 Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 11:06 AM (r+7wo) Its not Race IMO.... its Culture.... I don't care if you are black or white... but if you are a gang banging idiot? I don't want you anywhere around me... and that includes some relatives. I judge people on their Mannerisms, speech, and Actions... because those are things THEY control... those are CHOICES... and if you choose to act like an idiot? Then I will treat you like one...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 22, 2014 07:25 AM (84gbM)

128 Roseanne Barr ✔ @therealroseanne
Follow
Neuter boys at birth

We got nothin'.

Posted by: Shithouse Rats at April 22, 2014 07:25 AM (Dwehj)

129 Basically the parent comes here and is so happy that America offers them opportunity and a better life -- and then our school system trains their kids into a belief in learned helplessness and that they'll never be given a fair shot cause America is racist and hates black people.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 11:21 AM (ZPrif)

 

 

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I know a couple originally from Kenya who are accomplished professionals.  They've had to sons since becoming American citizens.  One is dead from a drug overdose, the other is in prison for gang violence.  I think he killed  or tried to kill  someone.

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 07:26 AM (trhm+)

130 I can only teach who shows up, and culture is the barrier. I'm informed by progtarded teachers that this sentiment is RAAAAACIST! Of course, they say much worse things when they think you're "one of them" but that's okay, because they "mean well." I was in all honors classes in HS (I was told that was a big deal, personally, I'm unconvinced). There was one Portuguese (don't call her "hispanic," "Spanish," or "Mexican" if you value your life) girl and one Black boy who were in most of my classes (I *think* also all Honors, and just some schedule differences). They kicked the crap out most of the white kids, academically. 'Cause they put in effort.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 07:26 AM (PYAXX)

131 Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 11:17 AM (x3YFz) Yes, my beloved stalker. I went to an HBCU for undergrad and all us Africans were either in the school of engineering, school of business, pre-law or pre-med. All the (very few) black people in my ChE PhD program were African or from the Caribbean. Also, there was just one white person in the PhD class that came in 4 years after me, and he was Canadian, lol. When I go to conferences in my very technical field, most of the black people are Nigerian like me.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 07:26 AM (r+7wo)

132 to=two

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 07:26 AM (trhm+)

133 Kennedy said nothing in the Constitution or the courtÂ’s prior cases gives judges the authority to undermine the election results.

==============

Well, except when it comes to gay marriage, of course.

Posted by: Jay in PA at April 22, 2014 07:27 AM (3LaGb)

134 You want to fix the racial diversity issues in colleges? Ok, start with elementary and high schools. Start turning out students from places like Detroit that are ready to compete for slots at schools like U of M.

If they'd started in 2003, when this first became an issue, they'd have a crop of scholars all ready to admit this fall.

But (and you guys all know this), that's not what they want at all.

Posted by: HR at April 22, 2014 07:27 AM (ZKzrr)

135 Left opposes Affirmative Action based on socio-economics cause they are convinced that poor whites and asians will outsmart the systems and end up over-represented. It's the same reason they get rid of gifted and talented programs in public schools -- they believe asian and white families will jump through all the hoops and figure out how to game the bureaucracy to get advantages for their kids and that black families won't. Seriously, they are dismantling GT programs because of "disparate impact" -- too many white and asian kids. I have broke-ass 3rd gen trailer park white people in my extended family -- but no Affirmative Action for them cause they are pale and freckly. And like most poor people, it's a mix of bad luck and bad choices. Like the bad luck of being born into a family that makes so many bad choices.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 07:29 AM (ZPrif)

136 I can fix that. Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 11:23 AM (x3YFz) Awww, thanks, stalker. But you know what, because he wasn't steeped in victimhood culture growing up, he's only told me about the racist guy once as a school tale to regale me with. He is just happy making lots of friends and enjoying school and church. One thing that doesn't surprise me, though. It seems people go on and on about his accent (according to this teenager anyway ) and he gets hit on by girls a lot.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 07:29 AM (r+7wo)

137 Not enough American black to tease him, LOL. We're in white bread country, although it's getting a little more racially diverse now.

But he told me about a group of wiggas in his school, lol, and one apparently (semi-?) overtly racist guy that makes people feel uncomfortable.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 11:20 AM (r+7wo)



Congrats to him for kicking some academic ass!



Your comment about "acting white" made me think of a Key and Peele skit that I saw recently.  I believe it was the first episode where Key is talking on a cell on a street corner and then Peele comes into view, also talking on a cell phone.  At first, Key is talking like a normal person but when Peele comes into earshot, he suddenly changes his speech to sound like he's a thug gangster because Peele's character is also talking like one.  Key doesn't want to sound like "white" so he changes his tone and demeanor.  When Peele walks away, he changes back to his normal voice.  Peele's character is seen walking away, talking on his phone, telling the person that he "narrowly escaped almost getting mugged" in a normal sounding voice.


Haha!  Funny right?


Then Key and Peele are back in front of the audience explaining to everyone that both of them are biracial and learned to adjust their speech and tone whenever other black people were near them, lest they were thought of as "acting white".  And then it struck me, how incredibly racist this sounded.  Some black people believe they have to act and sound different around other black people or else be thought of as "not black".  As if that makes any logical sense!



Posted by: EC at April 22, 2014 07:29 AM (GQ8sn)

138 Funeral home Co. Pays dividends. People ain't gonna stop dying. Better than a savings account! Posted by: tangonine But do they own the patent on Soylent Green? Generics........

Posted by: rickb223 at April 22, 2014 07:31 AM (cB3Ay)

139 What? ace is milking cats?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 22, 2014 11:25 AM (32Ze2)



He's been poisoned and the antidote is only found in a certain cat-rat hybrid that he has to milk daily.



Posted by: EC at April 22, 2014 07:31 AM (GQ8sn)

140 The Palestinian negotiating team reportedly warned US mediator Martin Indyk last week that they may decide to dismantle the Authority if talks fail. Palestinians have previously raised the possibility of dissolving the PA, created as a result of the 1993 Oslo Accords to administer the autonomous areas of the West Bank, but this is the first time the threat is wielded since the resumption of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks under the auspices of US Secretary of State John Kerry last July. Abbas' move, that would leave Israel responsible for 2.5 Palestinians living in the West Bank, was first exposed in Yedioth Ahronoth. According to Abbas, the US demanded the talks be extended by nine months, a condition the PA was willing to accept on two conditions: Firstly that the first three months would be dedicated to discussing final border arrangements; secondly, that during this period Israel will freeze settlement construction in the West Bank. ??? For a "Peoples" who never won a war and can hardly pick up the daily garbage without subsidies, they are making a lot of demands?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2014 07:31 AM (t3UFN)

141 "It's impossible," Spencer said in a recent interview, "to achieve diversity on a regular basis if race cannot be used as one of many factors."

I guess everybody has pounded this mind numbing and racist mental contortion into the ground by now, but the fact that the admissions committee is given anything but academic grades and a social security number to look at is unconstitutional to me. No gender, no race, no names, no religions, nothing. But I am a hard ass about actual meritocracy.

"but minorities have terrible schools" they say and yet.....zip to fix them because....I don't know....unions or something.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 22, 2014 07:31 AM (hJauc)

142
What should be noted is how the court flip flopped on it's opinion of discrimination depending on who is in the black robes.

In 2003 it was ok for U of M to racially discriminate in admission because the state didn't specifically ban it.
In 2014, it is not ok because the state bans it.

Go figure.

Posted by: Jen at April 22, 2014 11:23 AM (OPPHX)


I don't know that I would call that a flip-flop.  The presence of a specific ban in a State constitution is a very relevant new factor.  Not that I agree that U of M was right even before the State banned the practice, but I do think it's legitimate to change the decision once the State did.  


Also, I don't know which Justices changed their vote from the 2003 decision.  I imagine Thomas and Scalia were pretty consistent one way and Ginsburg consistent the other, and Roberts, Alito, and Sotomayor (and the recused Kagan) weren't even on the court at the time.  So that means Kennedy likely changed his mind, as he does, and maybe Breyer too. 

Posted by: shillelagh at April 22, 2014 07:31 AM (hRzu2)

143 113 106 Roseanne Barr ✔ @therealroseanne Follow Neuter boys at birth 2:02 PM - 21 Apr 2014 That bitch needs to snack on some .45 ACP Wheat Thins.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 22, 2014 07:32 AM (56Cua)

144 Would not surprise me if MSNBC calls for Justice Dept. investigation of Justices.

Posted by: USA at April 22, 2014 07:32 AM (Sg02p)

145

And then it struck me, how incredibly racist this sounded.

 

It's just code switching and everybody does it.  It's like Mark Wahlberg to Leo DiCaprio in "The Departed".  "You had two accents, didn't you, you little shit".

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 22, 2014 07:33 AM (JtwS4)

146 Kennedy said nothing in the Constitution or the courtÂ’s prior cases gives judges the authority to undermine the election results. ============== Well, except when it comes to gay marriage, of course I wonder if courts can revisit that since there is now SC black letter law.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 22, 2014 07:34 AM (cB3Ay)

147
Oh.... It's Ok to discriminate based on race alright..... so long who is being discriminated against meets with **our** approval......


Signed,
Pointy Headed Academics Everywhere...

Posted by: fixerupper at April 22, 2014 07:34 AM (nELVU)

148 All the (very few) black people in my ChE PhD program were African or from the Caribbean. Also, there was just one white person in the PhD class that came in 4 years after me, and he was Canadian, lol. When I go to conferences in my very technical field, most of the black people are Nigerian like me. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 11:26 AM (r+7wo) Good friend of mine from the Virgin Islands tells me horror stories (he just got his masters) about going home and having to defend his success. Makes me want to throat snatch and shake the shit out of people.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 07:34 AM (x3YFz)

149 CalTech is one of the only schools that is truly race-blind. And it ends up overwhelmingly asian and white -- especially asian. But admissions are based entirely on test scores. The standard is clear and easy to see for all. Everybody knows what you need to do to get in.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 07:34 AM (ZPrif)

150 Why hasn't Punaho Academy offered to educate Detroit's poor? Whats with that?

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at April 22, 2014 07:35 AM (oDCMR)

151 No gender, no race, no names, no religions, nothing. But I am a hard ass about actual meritocracy. Assuming you're referring to publicly (State/Community) Chartered schools, I agree with you. Frankly, I believe that a Christian (private) University should be able to cater only to Christians (if it so desires). I believe that (private) Women's Universities should be allowed to exist. Etc.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 07:35 AM (PYAXX)

152 EC, it's not just black folks that feel the need to adapt according to the ethnic surroundings. Native American kids call their "too white counterparts" apples (red on the outside, white in the middle). It's just a way of holding back a person that can cope across ethnic boundaries.

Posted by: fairweather bill at April 22, 2014 07:35 AM (vA2UI)

153 It all brings to mind the case of the missing girl in DC, Relisha Rudd. Her "Mother" let a janitor take her and no one noticed she was missing until several weeks after the fact. The local news here in DC is on the air with specials on "Where we failed Relisha" and the like. Her "Mother" has been interviewed several times and without a hint of irony lashes out at the system that has failed her daughter. It really is unbelievable to me. Most of these kids are doomed at birth with faulty parents. School systems don't stand a chance in setting 90% of these kids down a correct path. It is all acceptable because most of these kids are black. It makes my blood boil.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 22, 2014 07:36 AM (32Ze2)

154 For a "Peoples" who never won a war and can hardly pick up the daily garbage without subsidies, they are making a lot of demands? Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2014 11:31 AM (t3UFN) Its the weak using weakness as a weapon against the strong... A very dangerous thing we've only seen in the West.... Dangerous... because it relies on the strong never getting tired of that tactic.... I, for one, have embraced my inner Asshole... I will be nice to the weak if its my own idea... but I will no longer be manipulated by the weak.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 22, 2014 07:36 AM (84gbM)

155

So, now that we can't discriminate on the basis of race, I say we discriminate on height.

 

You 'rons who are under 6'0" are unpeopled.  I haven't decided the standard for the 'ettes yet.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 22, 2014 07:36 AM (JtwS4)

156 CA has a ban too, right? And they just get around the ban. So you don't say we need x% black students, you say we need x% students that are "low income". And Texas gets around it as well by offering everyone who finishes in the top 10% of their high school gets accepted automatically. You finish 12% at a top high school...no slot for you. You finish 9% at an inner city shithole school, you're in.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 07:37 AM (0LHZx)

157 I haven't decided the standard for the 'ettes yet.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 22, 2014 11:36 AM (JtwS4)



Come on...the answer is obvious.



Posted by: EC at April 22, 2014 07:37 AM (GQ8sn)

158 It is very easy to accomplish the "diversity" goal without being overtly racist. Just Qaddafi weight to zip codes. You come from dirt poor neighborhood, and you get bonus points. But this does not serve the AA gods, who do not really care about racial equality, but rather want a racial spoils system -- where a small group of connected "minorities" game the system while the broader class of minorities remain in crime ridden neighborhoods with shit schools.

Posted by: wooga at April 22, 2014 07:38 AM (6KuDG)

159 Vouchers!

Posted by: garrett at April 22, 2014 07:38 AM (wvNo5)

160 Posted by: EC at April 22, 2014 11:29 AM (GQ8sn)
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My sons and I are fans of Key and Peele.   They've got some good stuff.  There's three or so skits on an inner city school teacher substituting in a white middle class school that is freaking hilarious.

Posted by: B at April 22, 2014 07:38 AM (Pson9)

161 Qaddafi weight? That's a wacky autocorrect.

Posted by: wooga at April 22, 2014 07:38 AM (6KuDG)

162 You 'rons who are under 6'0" are unpeopled. I haven't decided the standard for the 'ettes yet. Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 22, 2014 11:36 AM (JtwS4) Hey now..... I used to be 6 ft and 1/2 inch.... now I'm about 5 ft 11 3/4 in... Does that make me an unpeople due to age?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 22, 2014 07:39 AM (84gbM)

163 Would not surprise me if MSNBC calls for Justice Dept. investigation of Justices.

Posted by: USA at April 22, 2014 11:32 AM (Sg02p)

 

 

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The DOJ  has been investigating the "conservative" judges since 2010.  I imagine it's ongoing.

 

 

 

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 07:39 AM (trhm+)

164 Drew, Better schools in Detroit won't help much. Please research human biodiversity.

Posted by: ToursLepantoVienna at April 22, 2014 07:39 AM (miAG4)

165 Qaddafi weight? More or less than a stone?

Posted by: USA at April 22, 2014 07:39 AM (Sg02p)

166 Meh. It's not like anyone other than the kids of the super rich and knuckledragging jocks on scholarship can afford kollege anymore. Functionally, this ruling won't mean shit.

Posted by: Jaws at April 22, 2014 07:39 AM (eKZp1)

167 No, they ruled that it's not OK to create a privileged class at the expense of others.

Posted by: rplat at April 22, 2014 07:39 AM (UAHTK)

168 133 Jay in PA at April 22, 2014 11:27 AM (3LaGb)

because "Justice"....

the funny thing is Kennedy is like a fucking puppy every time he opens his eyes it is a clean precedent day...

Posted by: sven10077 at April 22, 2014 07:40 AM (TE35l)

169 Just Qaddafi weight to zip codes.

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o_O

... that has something to do with a broomhandle..... dont it??

Posted by: fixerupper at April 22, 2014 07:40 AM (nELVU)

170 My sons and I are fans of Key and Peele. They've got some good stuff. There's three or so skits on an inner city school teacher substituting in a white middle class school that is freaking hilarious.

Posted by: B at April 22, 2014 11:38 AM (Pson9)



I will have to watch it.


I miss Dave Chapelle and his show.  If there was ever a person who could do racial comedy, it was him.  The Clayton Bigsby skit is second to none in terms of humour and genius.

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2014 07:40 AM (GQ8sn)

171 Funny or frightening gun propaganda fail by Bloomberg's anti gun group.

http://tinyurl.com/kw7xmkt

Link to Weasel Zippers

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 22, 2014 07:41 AM (tf9Ne)

172 Wooga, I was following you u to Qaddafi weight. Is that were you add statuesque Amazons everywhere?

Posted by: nnptcgrad at April 22, 2014 07:41 AM (Q8ca4)

173


Come on...the answer is obvious.

 

I left low-hanging fruit, because giver.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 22, 2014 07:41 AM (JtwS4)

174 And Texas gets around it as well by offering everyone who finishes in the top 10% of their high school gets accepted automatically. You finish 12% at a top high school...no slot for you. You finish 9% at an inner city shithole school, you're in. Yeah... but somewhat *less* than "the top 10%" of those "top high school" students are even interested in t.u., TX Tech, or A&M. And it is decidedly *not* your fault where you go to high school. There may be evils of guaranteed admission (that top 10% rule) but the fact that the guy who graduated in the top 10.01% isn't guaranteed a slot to a State School, while the guy who graduated as the 9.99999% at a bad "inner city school" is guaranteed one isn't really one of them.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 07:41 AM (PYAXX)

175 162 You 'rons who are under 6'0" are unpeopled. I haven't decided the standard for the 'ettes yet. __________ Several studies have shown taller dudes make more money that shorties. And the average of a male senator is 6'3", or it was when I read about it a few years ago. Tallies rule the world

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 07:41 AM (0LHZx)

176 This reminds me of zombie's leftist-racism article. It's like all these academics feel better about themselves if they can see blacks on campus, regardless if the individuals can meet the entry requirements.

Posted by: Mainah at April 22, 2014 07:41 AM (659DL)

177
@151  - your assumption is correct, private (non-public) is private to me also.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 22, 2014 07:42 AM (hJauc)

178 Brent Terry, a professor at Eastern Connecticut State University was caught on audio telling his Introduction to Creative Writing class that Republicans will close colleges if they prevail in 2014 and that they are “racist, misogynist, money-grubbing people” who want to suppress the liberal vote. Campus Reform reports: In a four-minute recording of a classroom lecture obtained by Campus Reform, Professor Brent Terry is heard strongly suggesting that conservatives are greedy racists who want to suppress the vote of anyone who might vote liberal. “…racist, misogynist, money-grubbing people have so much power over the rest of us. And want things to go back—not to 1955, but to 1855,” Terry said to his Introduction to Creative Writing class Monday morning. “There are a lot of people out there that do not want black people to vote, do not want Latinos to vote. Do not want old people to vote, or young people to vote. Because generally, people like you are liberal.” The audio, captured by a current student who wishes to remain anonymous, also claims that if Republicans win the senate in 2014, colleges will start “closing up.” “It’s absolutely possible that the Republicans will take over the Senate as well as the House. And we will live in a very, very, very different kind of country if that happens. I mean, colleges will start closing up if they, if these people have their way.” A) Classy B) At a STATE University?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2014 07:42 AM (t3UFN)

179 "It's impossible," Spencer said in a recent interview, "to achieve diversity on a regular basis if race cannot be used as one of many factors."

IOW, blacks are stupid and need my help, as I am superior them, which should be obvious due to the color of my skin.


Posted by: University of Michigan President Mary Sue Coleman at April 22, 2014 07:42 AM (NXg/k)

180 Oh yes, universities need "diversity" because someone has to serve as anchor for the severely flattened grading curves...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 22, 2014 07:42 AM (8bA1i)

181 Hard to believe this wasn't 8-0.

Posted by: SH at April 22, 2014 07:43 AM (gmeXX)

182 171 Buzzsaw at April 22, 2014 11:41 AM (tf9Ne)

Yeah real gun experts there...


OR

Nanny knows something about Mass Driver Semi-conductor technology I don't...

Posted by: sven10077 at April 22, 2014 07:43 AM (TE35l)

183 Several studies have shown taller dudes make more money that shorties. And the average of a male senator is 6'3", or it was when I read about it a few years ago. Tallies rule the world Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 11:41 AM (0LHZx) Yup. Im 5'10" The 6' and over crowd gets more play. I make up for it by being evil.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 07:43 AM (x3YFz)

184 Sotomayor just fucking hates white people, doesn't she?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 10:47 AM (ZPrif)

Sotomayor got into college on one of these reverse-discrimination set-asides so to say they are bad is for her to say that she cheated the system.

Posted by: John Adams at April 22, 2014 07:44 AM (e8kgV)

185 There may be evils of guaranteed admission (that top 10% rule) but the fact that the guy who graduated in the top 10.01% isn't guaranteed a slot to a State School, while the guy who graduated as the 9.99999% at a bad "inner city school" is guaranteed one isn't really one of them. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 11:41 AM (PYAXX) _________ Whether's it's evil or not, isn't the point. The point is the 10% rule is just a way to do affirmative action, without calling it affirmative action. When you give the top 10% of a 100% minority school guaranteed admission, that's affirmative action. Were those top 10%ers to go head to head with the 10-20%ers at a suburban school, I think it's reasonable to say that many of the top 10%ers woudl lose out if judging solely by merit.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 07:44 AM (0LHZx)

186

I just re-read Drew's headline:

 

Supreme Court Rules It's Ok For States To Not Discriminate Based On Race

 

It's so through the looking glass that we need to SCOTUS to say it's ok to not discriminate based on race.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 22, 2014 07:44 AM (JtwS4)

187 I just went over to read Cook's latest on "The Royal We" at NR.

Ugh....They've got a picture of Hillary and Chelsea together in a closeup.  Man, between the cheeks, the foreheads, and those chompers times two,  I feel like I've been to Stonehenge and Easter Island now.

Posted by: B at April 22, 2014 07:45 AM (Pson9)

188 It's always 'em little fuggers ya gotta worry about. Even when I was a kid. If a little dude stepped up to you, you knew you were in for a fight because he has something to prove. Fearless little guys are a menace.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 07:45 AM (x3YFz)

189 Funny how nobody claims that this belief is racist, yet it is obviously so. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2014 10:58 AM (aq5Dc) Excluding white people based on the color of their skin isn't racist. It's leveling the playing field or some such bullshit... Damn, I can't even sarc that much stupidity.

Posted by: Damiano at April 22, 2014 07:46 AM (j0wOO)

190 Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2014 11:42 AM (t3UFN) _________ Between 1995 and 2007, 82% of colleges across the land were closed.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 07:46 AM (0LHZx)

191 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 11:44 AM (0LHZx) Ah.... well seeeeee???? Common core will fix all that, because they will all have the same curriculum, taught the same way, with the same tests!!! Really!!!!

Posted by: Coomon Core, Obamacare for education at April 22, 2014 07:46 AM (84gbM)

192 >>And even then, probably. We're men. We'd f*** mud. Posted by: Bob Say, have you heard Chelsea Clinton is knocked up?

Posted by: Aviator at April 22, 2014 07:46 AM (jSUU1)

193 The point is the 10% rule is just a way to do affirmative action, without calling it affirmative action. Meh. I guess so. Thing is, throughout most (though, admittedly, not all) of Texas, that's more a selector on socio-economic status than it is skin color, because of the rules on how school districts have to be drawn and how they have to draw their own lines for who goes to what schools.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 07:47 AM (PYAXX)

194  Funny or frightening gun propaganda fail by Bloomberg's anti gun group.

http://tinyurl.com/kw7xmkt

Link to Weasel Zippers

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 22, 2014 11:41 AM (tf9Ne)

 

 

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You'd be surprised at how  many people won't see anything wrong with that illustration.  There is a couple of programs on the Military Channel that I've seen use this concept of a round going downrange.

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 07:47 AM (trhm+)

195 "Something is wrong when our Universities are held to the same standard as the NBA," said no one on MSNBC.

Posted by: USA at April 22, 2014 07:47 AM (Sg02p)

196 Sounds like near-assent of Affirmative Action, according to your description. It's called the backdoor. I am suprised Ginsburg wants them to go to college...after she wanted them not to be born. "populations that we don't want to have too many of."

Posted by: jk76 at April 22, 2014 07:47 AM (VKkox)

197 Say, have you heard Chelsea Clinton is knocked up? Posted by: Aviator at April 22, 2014 11:46 AM (jSUU1) The un-asked question is which dumbass was stupid enough to knock up the daughter of Hillary and Bill?

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 07:48 AM (x3YFz)

198 8 Sotomayor just fucking hates white people, doesn't she? Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 10:47 AM (ZPrif) ----------------------------- Sonia Sotomayor IS white. Pale skin and pink cheeks. "Blanquita." As white as the dark-eyed, dark-haired Irish. What she likes is an affirmative-action system that puts her ahead of her fellow whites just because she has a Spanish surname.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2014 07:48 AM (dfYL9)

199 DEBUNKED They say kids don't come with a manual, but I found 14,825 manuals at Amazon. "raising kids" Showing 1 - 16 of 14,825 Results Also all three of my kids did come with a manual. They gave it to us an 1 inch+ thick book at the hospital.

Posted by: Up With People at April 22, 2014 07:48 AM (pf+hU)

200 If I were a TX high school senior, I'd transfer to the shittiest school I could find in my district and get a UT spot guarantee.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 07:48 AM (0LHZx)

201 Between 1995 and 2007, 82% of colleges across the land were closed. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 11:46 AM (0LHZx) What?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2014 07:49 AM (t3UFN)

202 182 171 Buzzsaw at April 22, 2014 11:41 AM (tf9Ne)

Yeah real gun experts there...
OR
Nanny knows something about Mass Driver Semi-conductor technology I don't...
***

Head over the Facebook group for these clowns and look at the guy they hired for social media.  UC at Santa Cruz grad.  He looks like Pajama Boy's younger sibling.   If he's ever been within a thousand meters of a firearm, I'm a Chinese jet pilot.

Posted by: B at April 22, 2014 07:49 AM (Pson9)

203

When you give the top 10% of a 100% minority school guaranteed admission, that's affirmative action. Were those top 10%ers to go head to head with the 10-20%ers at a suburban school, I think it's reasonable to say that many of the top 10%ers woudl lose out if judging solely by merit.

 

--

Possibly,    but of the inner city school students, the top ten percent are by far the most likely to be able to compete     at a collegiate level.   And, they are being rated on performance, not skin color.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2014 07:50 AM (aq5Dc)

204 We don't discriminate! We're here to build a community where everyone is equal! The committee even put that in our bylaws last night while we were in the drum circle. It's all about inclusiveness, sharing and.... HEY! GET AWAY FROM MY SANDWICH YOU SMELLY HOMELESS PERSON! WHO LET YOU IN HERE!

Posted by: Occupy Wall St. Crowd at April 22, 2014 07:50 AM (j0wOO)

205 Lookie here. The answer is that black america (the asians and latinos don't seem to have a problem in this dept) stops demonizing legitimate success. You can't fix a cultural tendency toward failure with quotas.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 07:50 AM (x3YFz)

206 Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 22, 2014 11:41 AM (tf9Ne) Well.. crap.... I'm probably faster that THAT bullet....

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 22, 2014 07:50 AM (84gbM)

207 If I were a TX high school senior, I'd transfer to the shittiest school I could find in my district and get a UT spot guarantee. Well, yes. I assume many who graduate from t.u. are that dumb. Because, you know, graduating from the bigger State School is so important that you should try to game the system to do so, instead of getting in on merit (still possible), or going to a private university or a smaller State school.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 07:50 AM (PYAXX)

208 The un-asked question is which dumbass was stupid enough to knock up the daughter of Hillary and Bill? Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 11:48 AM (x3YFz) If there was enough tequila involved, it could have been me...not that I would admit to it, and certainly not something I would hope to remember.

Posted by: fairweather bill at April 22, 2014 07:51 AM (vA2UI)

209 Head over the Facebook group for these clowns and look at the guy they hired for social media. UC at Santa Cruz grad. He looks like Pajama Boy's younger sibling. If he's ever been within a thousand meters of a firearm, I'm a Chinese jet pilot. Yu Tu Lo?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 22, 2014 07:51 AM (cB3Ay)

210 6'4" here. Problem is that I am almost as big around as I am tall. Working on it. I did promote myself to President of my Company though.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 22, 2014 07:51 AM (32Ze2)

211 The problem with this whole increase diversity angle is that has messed with what should be the end goal of college. That being the obtainment of marketable skills that have some use in the outside world. How does a more racially mixed class help with teaching engineering or statistics? I'm not sure it does. Is there some great insight about linear regression I'm missing because my class doesn't have enough wise Latinas in it? It seems like the only place where diversity experience really helps are in the liberal arts degrees, but those have become costly and not terribly useful as of late. Besides when every preferential enrollee joins up with their tribe and then isolates themselves from the rest f the campus, I don't think that we've accomplished anything.

Posted by: taylork at April 22, 2014 07:51 AM (9bPUR)

212 If I were a TX high school senior, I'd transfer to the shittiest school I could find in my district and get a UT spot guarantee. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 11:48 AM (0LHZx) Uh. First question: why? You want to live your life being the person that took the easiest path? Wow. Telling, that is.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 07:51 AM (x3YFz)

213
Next up, leftists to go after people who donated to campaign for MI amendment.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 22, 2014 07:52 AM (hJauc)

214 California has a similar problem, in that there is a controversial proposal wending its way  towards  enactment  to end racial preferences in  public  university  admissions.  Ending racial preferences would result in a substantial increase in kids with Asian ancestry at Berkeley and the other UC schools, and a reduction in caucasian/black/native american and others.  "Diversity" would be a thing of the past.  

Posted by: MTF at April 22, 2014 07:52 AM (LISuA)

215 "race preferences" by government institutions is just state-based racism. White people are literally second class citizens in states that allow Affirmative Action.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 07:52 AM (ZPrif)

216 Here's a synopsis of the Dissent: "Down Twinkles."

Posted by: USA at April 22, 2014 07:52 AM (Sg02p)

217 The point is the 10% rule is just a way to do affirmative action, without calling it affirmative action. Meh. I guess so. Thing is, throughout most (though, admittedly, not all) of Texas, that's more a selector on socio-economic status than it is skin color, because of the rules on how school districts have to be drawn and how they have to draw their own lines for who goes to what schools. ----- While I agree that the 10% rule is basically a way around affirmative action, it doesn't mean it is unconstitutional or even bad policy. I can see the reason for the policy. If a state is going to support a state school, then to get the political support it needs from the legislature it must support students from each region. The 10% rule gets you there. That doesn't mean it is a good policy either. But there is a reasonable argument for the rule.

Posted by: SH at April 22, 2014 07:53 AM (gmeXX)

218 I did promote myself to President of my Company though. Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 22, 2014 11:51 AM (32Ze2) Nice! I figgered you were a good squirrel. I tried to promote myself to King once. It really didn't end well.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 07:53 AM (x3YFz)

219 If I were a TX high school senior, I'd transfer to the shittiest school I could find in my district and get a UT spot guarantee.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 11:48 AM (0LHZx)

 

 

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Bless your heart, of course you would.

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 07:53 AM (trhm+)

220 The most honest way to do college admission is get rid of all the bullshit...extra curricular activities, volunteer work, internships. Have one nationally administered test every spring. Everyone takes the same test. Then each college decides who gets in based on a cutoff. Harvard: anyone who scores 92% and above Michigan: anyone who scores 85% and above And so on... Color blind, income blind, everything blind except do you know your shit? Also gets rid of legacy admissions which are as bad as affirmative action admissions. And in my perfect world, we get rid of sports scholarships too...enough of that bullshit with "students" who can't even spell their names earning a degree.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 07:53 AM (0LHZx)

221 ...and it's odd to here the diversity screed over and over again when these same people shout down and berate people with differing opinions.

Posted by: taylork at April 22, 2014 07:53 AM (9bPUR)

222 The un-asked question is which dumbass was stupid enough to knock up the daughter of Hillary and Bill? Well, her husband.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 22, 2014 07:54 AM (7ObY1)

223 Bless your heart, of course you would. Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 11:53 AM (trhm+) _____________ Wouldn't you?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 07:54 AM (0LHZx)

224 The best way to end racial discrimination is ... by not discriminating on the basis of race.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 07:54 AM (ZPrif)

225 Wouldn't you? --- No.

Posted by: SH at April 22, 2014 07:54 AM (gmeXX)

226 201 NeverGiveUp, It'sthe alternative Male bova Universe wher student loan debt being levergaed to shit degrees in a chokeheld economy is not the nascent timebomb we're ignoring....

Posted by: sven10077 at April 22, 2014 07:54 AM (cMSga)

227 You can't fix a cultural tendency toward failure with quotas.

I'm pretty sure "fixing failure" is the last thing they care about.

Posted by: HR at April 22, 2014 07:55 AM (ZKzrr)

228 "Diversity" would be a thing of the past. As it should be. There are more than a few kids who go off to college and spend tens (or hundreds) of thousands of dollars they don't have and end up with precisely zilch (of any value) for the effort. They go because the deck is stacked to allow them to do so, despite not being prepared (emotionally or academically) for it. If we got rid of "Diversity" then maybe parents would start telling little Johnny that, no, he can't go to that party on Saturday night- at least not until his homework is finished.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 07:55 AM (PYAXX)

229 Celebrate Divershitty.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 22, 2014 07:55 AM (LJ7Ze)

230 I made the mistake of hiring a kid that I thought was going to be pretty good. He was black so the diversity hounds in Corporate were kvelling. He gets in and immediately disrupts the whole office. Couldn't spell, couldn't write, couldn't compute basic percentages. It was truly an awful experience. Lucky for me he quit. Amazing how much money the guy was making and how little he produced. He didn't get it. Thought he deserved more.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 22, 2014 07:55 AM (32Ze2)

231 153 It all brings to mind the case of the missing girl in DC, Relisha Rudd It makes me wonder about her siblings. Sure hope Ketchupa and Mustarda are OK.

Posted by: Guy Who Doesn't Give a Shit at April 22, 2014 07:56 AM (7ObY1)

232

The most honest way to do college admission is get rid of all the bullshit...extra curricular activities, volunteer work, internships. Have one nationally administered test every spring. Everyone takes the same test. Then each college decides who gets in based on a cutoff.

Harvard: anyone who scores 92% and above
Michigan: anyone who scores 85% and above

 

---

 

The donors would never   allow it    in the Ivy league; students there are     heavily    legacies.  Also, from my experience, Harvard has much lower standards than state schools - the hard part is getting in, not the coursework.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2014 07:56 AM (aq5Dc)

233 >>> It's just code switching and everybody does it. It's like Mark Wahlberg to Leo DiCaprio in "The Departed". "You had two accents, didn't you, you little shit". Make me a mahtini you fat fuckin retahd!

Posted by: Casey Affleck at April 22, 2014 07:56 AM (Ua6T/)

234 Uh. First question: why? You want to live your life being the person that took the easiest path? Wow. Telling, that is. Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 11:51 AM (x3YFz) ___________ Easy path is....oh yeah easy. Not sure why that's a bad thing. The world is an unfair place in many ways. If you find a loophole that gives you an advantage you'd be a fool not to take it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 07:56 AM (0LHZx)

235 Have one nationally administered test every spring. There's *no* way that could *possibly* go wrong. Harvard: anyone who scores 92% and above Last I checked, Harvard was a private university.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 07:57 AM (PYAXX)

236 Wouldn't you?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 11:54 AM (0LHZx)

 

 

----------------------------------------------

 

 

I would be where my parents thought would give me the best education. 

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 07:57 AM (trhm+)

237
Is there some great insight about linear regression I'm missing because my class doesn't have enough wise Latinas in it?

Yes, the linear regression of the Long March.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 22, 2014 07:58 AM (hJauc)

238 Diversity is people of all different races, religions, and orientations all thinking alike.

Posted by: taylork at April 22, 2014 07:58 AM (9bPUR)

239 The Left hates standardized tests because there are consistent racial gaps. It's why they keep trying to weaken the SAT. Successfully. The Left hates objective tests. There's a whole industry of Diversity Consultants who rejigger tests to try and eliminate any racial gaps. The main trick is to either dumb the tests down or to introduce a great deal of randomness. The point is to mask any aptitude differences. A key current goal is they want to weaken the bar because a much higher % of black law school grads can't pass it compared to white and asian law grads. The Left also wants to weaken the MCAT and use it less for admissions to law school cause there aren't enough black doctors.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 07:58 AM (ZPrif)

240 Easy path is....oh yeah easy. Not sure why that's a bad thing. The world is an unfair place in many ways. If you find a loophole that gives you an advantage you'd be a fool not to take it. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 11:56 AM (0LHZx) I generally appreciate things a bit more if I work for them, but that's probably just me.

Posted by: fairweather bill at April 22, 2014 07:58 AM (vA2UI)

241 The donors would never allow it in the Ivy league; students there are heavily legacies. Also, from my experience, Harvard has much lower standards than state schools - the hard part is getting in, not the coursework. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2014 11:56 AM (aq5Dc) __________ True. Nobody ever actually fails out of Harvard. Bill Gates dropped out 35 years ago and he's still listed as a student who's on leave. I think something like that could work for state schools though. European colleges basically work like that. You take some tests. Those with the highest scores go to the best colleges. Those with the middle scores go to the second tier colleges. Those with shitty scores don't go. Pretty simple and straight forward system.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 07:59 AM (0LHZx)

242 Have one nationally administered test every spring. ---- In general I am not looking for more things that are nationally administered.

Posted by: SH at April 22, 2014 07:59 AM (gmeXX)

243 I generally appreciate things a bit more if I work for them, but that's probably just me. Posted by: fairweather bill at April 22, 2014 11:58 AM (vA2UI) _________ So if I handed over a check for $10M to you, you'd say, oh no thank you, I didn't earn this money?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 07:59 AM (0LHZx)

244 Well, her husband. Posted by: Citizen X at April 22, 2014 11:54 AM (7ObY1) I'd thought I'd imagined every horror possible, but nope.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 07:59 AM (x3YFz)

245

"...Start turning out students from places like Detroit that are ready to compete for slots at schools like U of M. If that means blowing up the public education system and the teacher's unions and replacing them with voucher programs and charter schools, so be it. It's "for the children" after all."

What if "blowing up public education" raises the performance of both minority and non-minority students equally?  Wouldn't we be back in the same darn mess we are in now?

Even so, I am OK with doing so as an end in itself.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at April 22, 2014 07:59 AM (bbivj)

246 Celebrate Diversity...... OR ELSE!

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 22, 2014 07:59 AM (32Ze2)

247 So if I handed over a check for $10M to you, you'd say, oh no thank you, I didn't earn this money? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 11:59 AM (0LHZx) apples and oranges. Bullshit comparison.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:00 AM (x3YFz)

248 Taller kids get bullied a lot. My son was targeted constantly by kids trying to get points somehow for taking down the big kid. Thankfully, he was and is good-natured and didn't fall for the "bear baiting" as I always called it.

Posted by: Mustbequantum at April 22, 2014 08:00 AM (MIKMs)

249 Pretty simple and straight forward system.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 11:59 AM (0LHZx)

Designed to perpetuate the very system that has ruined most of Europe.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2014 08:00 AM (QFxY5)

250 I'd thought I'd imagined every horror possible, but nope. Now contemplate having teh secks with Amy Carter. See, it gets even horribler!

Posted by: Citizen X at April 22, 2014 08:01 AM (7ObY1)

251 I would be where my parents thought would give me the best education. Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 11:57 AM (trhm+) ____________ High school and education? Come on. High school is a babysitting service until you're old enough to work or go to college. Public high school anyway.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:01 AM (0LHZx)

252 The Cunnuckian Middle Class just passed the American Middle Class.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 22, 2014 08:01 AM (LJ7Ze)

253 I think that we can all agree that our beloved Preznit has done irreparable harm to both AA and Ivy League Institutional pride. A real 2fer.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 22, 2014 08:01 AM (32Ze2)

254

Celebrate Diversity...... OR ELSE!

 

 

 

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Better yet, Celebrate Diversity, using our predefined acceptable methods of celebration,    verbatim.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2014 08:02 AM (aq5Dc)

255 The average black high school graduate reads at an 8th grade level. This huge reading comprehension gap means that pretty much every employment test shows a large racial gap. The Sharptons of the world then sue IBM for not having enough black engineers. They sue everybody on "disparate impact". But the problem is in the talent pool coming out of the schools.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 08:02 AM (ZPrif)

256 apples and oranges. Bullshit comparison. Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 12:00 PM (x3YFz) _________ Why? You said you prefer to get things you worked for. So if I give you something of value you haven't worked for, by your own logic, you'd turn it down based on some principle you hold dear.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:02 AM (0LHZx)

257 I generally appreciate things a bit more if I work for them, but that's probably just me.>>

As a kid I destroyed many bicycles (mostly hand me downs) through abuse and neglect. The one I paid for with money I earned was taken care of much better. Odd that that was the one I valued most.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 22, 2014 08:02 AM (tf9Ne)

258 Not only should we eliminate racial prejudice in college admissions and public hiring, but we should STOP CLASSIFYING PEOPLE BY RACE IN THE FIRST PLACE. It is insulting, outrageous and the remnant of some weird 19th-century worldview that the federal and state government keeps tabs on what "race" everyone "is." What madness is this? What relevance does it have? Just let people be people. The way to end discrimination is to end discrimination; that's obvious enough. But beneath that, the way to end a race-based society is to stop obsessing about, and even noting, what race people are (or believe they are). You want utopia, progressives? Want everyone to be equal? THEN STOP FOCUSING ON AND EXACERBATING THEIR DIFFERENCES.

Posted by: zombie at April 22, 2014 08:02 AM (mizYg)

259

Easy path is....oh yeah easy. Not sure why that's a bad thing. The world is an unfair place in many ways. If you find a loophole that gives you an advantage you'd be a fool not to take it.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 11:56 AM (0LHZx)

 

 

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And it's obvious that you took them all.

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 08:02 AM (trhm+)

260 Easy path is....oh yeah easy. Not sure why that's a bad thing. The world is an unfair place in many ways. If you find a loophole that gives you an advantage you'd be a fool not to take it. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 11:56 AM (0LHZx) Your character is about 1/4" deep, ain't it? The ONE thing you have in this ride around the sun is: you. If you want to sell you out to lowest bidder, then, well... eh. Not even worth derision.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:03 AM (x3YFz)

261 Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 22, 2014 11:55 AM (32Ze2
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Oh, you have no idea.  I have a number of emails I've saved over the last few years that were standouts in the field of illiteracy.  And then there's the emails from the groups we outsource to India.    Spelling isn't too bad but the syntax is...iffy.  Some of these read like Yoda on a vodka bender.

Posted by: B at April 22, 2014 08:03 AM (Pson9)

262 Designed to perpetuate the very system that has ruined most of Europe. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2014 12:00 PM (QFxY5) ________ Huh? Granting admission to people who actually are good students ruined Europe?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:03 AM (0LHZx)

263 So if I handed over a check for $10M to you, you'd say, oh no thank you, I didn't earn this money? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 11:59 AM (0LHZx) I'm not sure, why don't we give it a try. You go out and earn $10 million, put it in the bank, write a draft and then hand it to me. We'll then see if I cash it. Of course that scenario depends on you EARNING the money first. Shall we try?

Posted by: fairweather bill at April 22, 2014 08:04 AM (vA2UI)

264 Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at April 22, 2014 11:59 AM (bbivj)

It won't.

There are limits to what can be done.

Most bright kids in good situations can approach their upper limits, but ghetto kids in shit-show schools are nowhere near those limits.

It's easy to teach any kid the basics, which is what is needed in the ghettos.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2014 08:04 AM (QFxY5)

265 That gun ad clearly understands there is 65% more bullet per bullet there, eh?

Posted by: Aperture, doing what we must because we can at April 22, 2014 08:04 AM (SZM+L)

266 Huh? Granting admission to people who actually are good students ruined Europe? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 12:03 PM (0LHZx) Well, sure as fuck didn't fix it.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:05 AM (x3YFz)

267 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 12:03 PM (0LHZx)

The elites' children get the best slots.

The European model is not a meritocracy.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2014 08:05 AM (QFxY5)

268 Today, 22 April, is the 144th anniversary of the birth of Russian revolutionary leader and founder of Bolshevism Vladimir Ilich Lenin (1870-1924) in the Volga region. How about a tasty quote? --- "When one makes a Revolution, one cannot mark time, one must always go forward - or go back. He who now talks about the "freedom of the press" goes backward, and halts our headlong course towards Socialism." - Lenin

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 22, 2014 08:05 AM (aDwsi)

269 That bullet ad cracks me up. Layers and layers of reality checkers.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 22, 2014 08:06 AM (32Ze2)

270 but we should

STOP CLASSIFYING PEOPLE BY RACE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

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...but... there's no Grievance Gravy in THAT plan....

Posted by: fixerupper at April 22, 2014 08:06 AM (nELVU)

271 Posted by: zombie at April 22, 2014 12:02 PM (mizYg) ** stands ** ** applauds **

Posted by: grammie winger at April 22, 2014 08:06 AM (oMKp3)

272 230 I made the mistake of hiring a kid that I thought was going to be pretty good. He was black so the diversity hounds in Corporate were kvelling. He gets in and immediately disrupts the whole office. Couldn't spell, couldn't write, couldn't compute basic percentages. It was truly an awful experience. Lucky for me he quit. Amazing how much money the guy was making and how little he produced. He didn't get it. Thought he deserved more. Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 22, 2014 11:55 AM (32Ze2) ____________ I think we've all been there. I didn't hire him, but I had to work with a guy for a few months who wrote at a 6th grade level at best. He was a joke to everyone. But there was nothing anyone could do about it. The kicker is, he got promoted, although I suspect the promotion was his manager just wanting to get rid of him and move the problem to someone else.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:06 AM (0LHZx)

273 I generally appreciate things a bit more if I work for them, but that's probably just me.

No one ever imagines being the kid who works really hard at Suburban School to get into the college of his choice, but gets rejected so the kid from Crappy School can be automatically accepted.

Posted by: HR at April 22, 2014 08:07 AM (ZKzrr)

274 DrewM: You want to fix the racial diversity issues in colleges? Ok, start with elementary and high schools. ***** And what if that doesn't work? What then? At this point, I am getting to the point of no longer caring about racial diversity issues. Blacks over represented in prison and under represented in college? Not my problem, no more that blacks being over represented in professional basketball and football. Let the chips fall where they may...

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 22, 2014 08:07 AM (C+qQ0)

275 But most people naturally like to identify with and celebrate their ethnic group. This is actually encouraged and applauded for most people on the planet -- everybody who isn't white actually. It's Utopian to imagine that people will stop identifying by race/ethnicity. For most people, it's a core part of their identity. It's un-conservative to ignore human nature.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 08:07 AM (ZPrif)

276 The European model is not a meritocracy. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2014 12:05 PM (QFxY5) ____________ How is it not a meritocracy when it's based on test scores. If the elite kids get the best test scores, so be it. Smart people tend to have smart kids, no?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:08 AM (0LHZx)

277 Keystone: When I choose leaders I pick misfits: people that are excellent at one or two things but suck everywhere else. I pick that kid who has heart. Ya grab 'em by the scruff of the neck and tell them to eat that tree and they'll do it. Heart.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:08 AM (x3YFz)

278 Oh cripes, Erick Erickson is sitting in for Rush Limbaugh. Never could stand the guy.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 22, 2014 08:08 AM (ZshNr)

279 Damage already done. Anglos are the Lannisters. Reached a peak. It's all downhill from here. I've had the point driven home that the Indians and Chinese are in charge now as you figured would happen once Anglos were voluntarily handicapped by the culture aimed at weakening them with drugs sex and rocknroll and affirmative action.. Indian males run America's largest companies. Whites are their lackeys. Indian females are the doctors. Again whites are their lackeys. I've seen this first hand

Posted by: pc at April 22, 2014 08:08 AM (cUQF2)

280 HOF zombie

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 22, 2014 08:08 AM (EWYBa)

281 No one ever imagines being the kid who works really hard at Suburban School to get into the college of his choice, but gets rejected so the kid from Crappy School can be automatically accepted. Posted by: HR at April 22, 2014 12:07 PM (ZKz) And the kid who works really hard pushes through it. And succeeds.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:09 AM (x3YFz)

282 252 Boss Moss, I aim to join them by the end of the decade if the elections are not stunning. So long and thanks for all the fish.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 22, 2014 08:09 AM (cMSga)

283 In the private sector, the high tech sector there are quotas that have to be met.

These are the "NI" folks .. they need improvement and are basically blacklisted within the organization from transferring internally. The "NI" is the mark of corporate death.

The quota is 10%. Yes, that's 10% of the workforce who must die, quit, be fired or laid off every year.

Posted by: John Adams at April 22, 2014 08:09 AM (e8kgV)

284 Your character is about 1/4" deep, ain't it? The ONE thing you have in this ride around the sun is: you. If you want to sell you out to lowest bidder, then, well... eh. Not even worth derision. Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 12:03 PM (x3YFz) ____________ OK. You got be a foot deep character, always being the sucker in the room. At least you have your integrity. That and $4.50 will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:10 AM (0LHZx)

285 It also seems that AA types fail up. My Mom worked at a Small Private Girls College in the Midwest. They were thrilled beyond belief that they were able to hire an AA woman to be their new President. The damage she wrought there at the College was EPIC. Too much to detail. After she brought the school to it's knees she failed on to a bigger University. My Mom said she wouldn't have hired her to clean her house.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 22, 2014 08:10 AM (32Ze2)

286 275 But most people naturally like to identify with and celebrate their ethnic group. Here's a thought. How about we define our ethnic group as American?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 22, 2014 08:10 AM (oMKp3)

287

Weird.  I thought that the Supremes had already dealt with this issue in the past.  California passed a law doing away with racial preferences back in the '90s, as did other states, and I thought that the Supremes had dealt with this back then.

 

Posted by: junior at April 22, 2014 08:11 AM (UWFpX)

288 "258 Not only should we eliminate racial prejudice in college admissions and public hiring, but we should STOP CLASSIFYING PEOPLE BY RACE IN THE FIRST PLACE. It is insulting, outrageous and the remnant of some weird 19th-century worldview that the federal and state government keeps tabs on what "race" everyone "is." What madness is this? What relevance does it have? Just let people be people. The way to end discrimination is to end discrimination; that's obvious enough. But beneath that, the way to end a race-based society is to stop obsessing about, and even noting, what race people are (or believe they are). You want utopia, progressives? Want everyone to be equal? THEN STOP FOCUSING ON AND EXACERBATING THEIR DIFFERENCES. Posted by: zombie at April 22, 2014 12:02 PM (mizYg)" I think that you have missed the point. Modern race dynamics are not about 19th century Darwinian theory. It is all about getting Democrats elected. Period. There is no moral, ethical, scientific or pseudoscientific component whatsoever. It is just a way to divide people so that they will vote for Democrats.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 22, 2014 08:11 AM (PD6iL)

289 I've seen this first hand Posted by: pc at April 22, 2014 12:08 PM (cUQF2) I know what you're saying. But, you're misunderestimating us.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:11 AM (x3YFz)

290 And the kid who works really hard pushes through it. And succeeds.

Succeeds at something else, maybe.  But not at what he wanted.

Yeah, suck it up buttercup, get used to being shat on because your parents bought a house in the wrong ZIP code.

Posted by: HR at April 22, 2014 08:11 AM (ZKzrr)

291 And the kid who works really hard pushes through it. And succeeds. Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 12:09 PM (x3YFz) ___________ So the options are a) work really heard, get fucked over, work some more and **MAYBE** make it b) don't do shit, automatically make it Call me crazy, but option b sounds a lot better.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:11 AM (0LHZx)

292 Attacks on rock and roll are something up with which I will not put. R & R is as American as baseball and apple pie, goddammit.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 22, 2014 08:11 AM (7ObY1)

293 Future America = Brazil with Nukes and an Asian Overclass We already have an Asian overclass in economic terms, just not in political or cultural terms. Asian-Americans have higher incomes and more wealth than whites, on average. It's actually kind of new for America to have a market-dominant minority.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 08:12 AM (ZPrif)

294 If there is any proof that the Left just throws around words like "racist" and "bigot" as general insults completely removed from any actual racism or bigotry, it can be found reading the comments of that WaPo article on the ruling.  Holy Crap these people are delusional.

Racial Preferences = Racial Equality

Judging People w/o Considering Skin Color = RACISM!!11!eleventy!!!

Posted by: Captain_Cookie at April 22, 2014 08:12 AM (qJPSp)

295 The elites' children get the best slots.

The European model is not a meritocracy.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2014 12:05 PM (QFxY5)

 

 

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Having lived there for awhile and seeing their education system from the eyes of a parent (albeit temporary),  I can confirm your assessment.  It's who you know and when you knew them.  No matter what the European socialists  want to tell you, there's still an obvious  "royal" hierarchy that pervades everything there.

 

The "common  person" in Europe is only allowed to have so much success.  

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 08:12 AM (trhm+)

296 261 B, I see you found my ghost writers...

Posted by: sven10077 at April 22, 2014 08:12 AM (cMSga)

297 "Here's a thought. How about we define our ethnic group as American? Posted by: grammie winger at April 22, 2014 12:10 PM (oMKp3)" Sorry, but that one ended for me back in November of 2012.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 22, 2014 08:12 AM (PD6iL)

298 OK. You got be a foot deep character, Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 12:10 PM (0LHZx) lost me right there.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:13 AM (x3YFz)

299 275 But most people naturally like to identify with and celebrate their ethnic group. This is actually encouraged and applauded for most people on the planet -- everybody who isn't white actually. It's Utopian to imagine that people will stop identifying by race/ethnicity. For most people, it's a core part of their identity. It's un-conservative to ignore human nature. Posted by: Costanza Defens Not sure if your comment was in response to mine, but in case it was, to clairfy: I'm all in favor of "freedom of association." I'm not talking about allowing people to self-identify as a race and to associate with other people who self-identify as that race. Fine by me: everyone is free to befriend and hang out with and live wherever they want. All I'm talking about is government behavior, not citizen behavior. The government is not a race. And the government should not concern itself with race. Where in the Constitution is race mentioned? Nowhere. Government's role should be minimal in many areas; in this area, government's role should be absent altogether.

Posted by: zombie at April 22, 2014 08:13 AM (mizYg)

300 52+% of the country elected a half black man with no work history, no educational or other record, no accomplishment, and who had never completed a term in elected office to the highest position in the free world. Twice. Because... racist.

Posted by: Damiano at April 22, 2014 08:13 AM (j0wOO)

301 68 My 100% unadulterated African blood nephew moved in with me a few months ago in the middle of the school year and proceeded to do better than most students in his high school classes and impress his teachers. (He happens to be the only black kid in his grade, I think.) But no, black people are naturally inferior, so let's not make any efforts to actually improve their education. (As you can tell, this really frosts me.) Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 11:06 AM (r+7wo) ***** No bullshit, you should get some posting privileges here. Your comments have been consistently topshelf.

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 22, 2014 08:13 AM (C+qQ0)

302 So if I give you something of value you haven't worked for, by your own logic, you'd turn it down based on some principle you hold dear. False equivalence. You assert that admission to college is "something of value." Admission to college is ONLY "something of value" if you actually, you know, value it. Being in the 50th (to pick a random number) percentile in HS and moving to the worst school in your district you could find so you could be admitted to t.u. (as opposed to, say, working your butt off and getting your scores acceptable on their own) is pretty good evidence in my mind that you would not value your guaranteed admission.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 08:14 AM (PYAXX)

303 293 Future America = Brazil with Nukes and an Asian Overclass _________ I'd be cool with Brazil if he had the beaches and soccer dominance.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:14 AM (0LHZx)

304 Having lived there for awhile and seeing their education system from the eyes of a parent (albeit temporary), I can confirm your assessment. It's who you know and when you knew them. No matter what the European socialists want to tell you, there's still an obvious "royal" hierarchy that pervades everything there.

The "common person" in Europe is only allowed to have so much success.

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 12:12 PM (trhm+)

 

No shock that the idiotic fuck moo moo once against loves him some socialist control and falls for the claims they make hook line and sinker.

Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2014 08:14 AM (LI48c)

305 But the problem is in the talent pool coming out of the schools.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 12:02 PM (ZPrif)

THIS.

Ergo, NO amount of "job training programs" will ever fix what it took 12 years of "schooling" to screw up.

Ever.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 08:14 AM (JpC1K)

306 Here's a thought. How about we define our ethnic group as American --- Many whites in the South already do. Blacks in the South don't though. Ethnicity is a real thing. Human nature won't say we are all the same. Probably cause we aren't. We are tribal creatures.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 08:14 AM (ZPrif)

307 No bullshit, you should get some posting privileges here. Your comments have been consistently topshelf. Posted by: Taco Shack at April 22, 2014 12:13 PM (C+qQ0) I agree. She's marvelous.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 22, 2014 08:15 AM (oMKp3)

308 False equivalence. You assert that admission to college is "something of value." Admission to college is ONLY "something of value" if you actually, you know, value it. Being in the 50th (to pick a random number) percentile in HS and moving to the worst school in your district you could find so you could be admitted to t.u. (as opposed to, say, working your butt off and getting your scores acceptable on their own) is pretty good evidence in my mind that you would not value your guaranteed admission. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 12:14 PM (PYAXX) _____________ It would be evidence that you know how to work the system. And no matter how smart anyone is, working the system is what leads to success. Surely you realize this.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:16 AM (0LHZx)

309 People do tend to self segregate. This is fact. The most segregated hour in America is Sunday Morning at 1100. We appear to have advanced on issues of race, but have we? Really?

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 22, 2014 08:16 AM (32Ze2)

310 so whocdissented? lemme guess: Ginsberg and Kagan?

Posted by: Soothie § at April 22, 2014 08:16 AM (XSOlV)

311 Ethnicity is a real thing. Human nature won't say we are all the same. Probably cause we aren't. --- But should the government classify people accordingly?

Posted by: SH at April 22, 2014 08:17 AM (gmeXX)

312 So the options are a) work really heard, get fucked over, work some more and **MAYBE** make it b) don't do shit, automatically make it Call me crazy, but option b sounds a lot better. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 12:11 PM (0LHZx) The fact that wisdom isn't gained through success, but through failure; and the idea that strength of character is earned (hard), is totally lost on you... I can't fix that for you. Why? Because you have to earn it. words on AoS aren't going to bring the point home. You have to hack your way through life. It makes you tough, it teaches you things. Pick the difficult path. Always. Because on the other side you'll be better for it. But you won't understand this by me saying it.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:17 AM (x3YFz)

313 307 gramie winger, A tru star... She and zombie are my faves extant from the old days. I'd be thrilled if either got guest blogger bylines.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 22, 2014 08:17 AM (cMSga)

314 Again I'll mention my son's friend got into West Point never having taken a single AP class and with Cs and Ds for grades this year. He is black.

Posted by: NCKate at April 22, 2014 08:17 AM (UQyRl)

315 But no, black people are naturally inferior, so let's not make any efforts to actually improve their education. (As you can tell, this really frosts me.)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2014 11:06 AM (r+7wo)

Absolutely.  Spot.  Frickin'.   On.

However, I also submit that at least 60% of the problem is the parents parent.  

So one way you improve the kid, is to improve the parent.  You improve the parent, by not subsidzing their shitty life decisions.

Whatever you subsidize...you get more of.


Posted by: Sean Bannion, Self-Denounced For Your Pleasure [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 08:17 AM (6T8Ay)

316 Hey, walking cadaver John Paul Stevens wants to revoke the 2nd amendment. I wonder if he realizes he's no longer on the SCOTUS while he's drooling and shaking his fist at the ceiling?

Posted by: Citizen X at April 22, 2014 08:17 AM (7ObY1)

317 Vouchers? What a crazy idea.

Posted by: jwest at April 22, 2014 08:18 AM (u2a4R)

318 I agree government should be race-blind, by law. I believe it should be illegal for the government to even collect data on race. But that's because race and ethnicity are such powerful forces. Look at the huge damage the "hispanic" category is creating. Half of the 2nd and 3rd generation "hispanics" would already have melted into some generic white mutt like the Irish, Italians, Polish, Germans, etc did ... except the government hands out bennies if you hold onto your "hispanic" and "latino" heritage. If the government handed out bennies to everyone who was "germanic" then everybody be naming their kids Hansel and Gretel.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 08:18 AM (ZPrif)

319 does it frost your muffins? or cookies?

Posted by: Soothie § at April 22, 2014 08:18 AM (XSOlV)

320 No shock that the idiotic fuck moo moo once against loves him some socialist control and falls for the claims they make hook line and sinker. Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2014 12:14 PM (LI48c) _________ It's not a claim. It's a fact. Admission to colleges in Europe is by and large done by test scores and nothing more. It's the purest form of meritocracy. But it's European so it must be communist!!! You know what they don't have in Europe? Illiterate "student athletes". I guess that's commie too.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:18 AM (0LHZx)

321 At least you have your integrity. That and $4.50 will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo --------------------------- Speaks volumes..., about the cud-chewer.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 22, 2014 08:19 AM (aDwsi)

322 >>> Ergo, NO amount of "job training programs" will ever fix what it took 12 years of "schooling" to screw up. "Job training programs" were never about training people for jobs. It's simply a means for the government to claim that people are working for their welfare benefits (while they sit in their subsidized home, eating their EBT food, and phone is once a week to claim an exemption from showing up to "job training" because they are overweight and/ or suffering from stress).

Posted by: Damiano at April 22, 2014 08:19 AM (j0wOO)

323 Again I'll mention my son's friend got into West Point never having taken a single AP class and with Cs and Ds for grades this year. He is black.
Posted by: NCKate at April 22, 2014 12:17 PM (UQyRl)

He'll be gone by the end of Beast Barracks.

Then he will have the rest of his life to console himself with how racist this country is.

::: spit :::

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Self-Denounced For Your Pleasure [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 08:19 AM (6T8Ay)

324 Call me crazy, but option b sounds a lot better. --- While it may sound better, it may not be better. That is one of the arguments against the AA or top 10%. One that Justice Thomas agrees with. I would ask you, is that what you would tell your kids though? I kind of doubt it.

Posted by: SH at April 22, 2014 08:19 AM (gmeXX)

325 And no matter how smart anyone is, working the system is what leads to success. I guess it depends on your definition of "success." In general, such "working" (really "playing") the system does not lead to success- it leads one down the path of least resistance- which rarely leads to "success." If I continually do things that avoid conflict/struggle, then I never learn perseverance. Then when something really bad happens to me, I'm unprepared. So, sure, you might get lucky and make millions of dollars. More power to you. But you won't have the necessary Character to hold onto it when something bad happens. Your money will not be "wealth" it will simply be money- because you won't be equipped to understand how you got it in the first place.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 08:19 AM (PYAXX)

326 Sorry guys, but Moo Moo's right.  Being able to save resources and work hours by taking advantage of current circumstances is a major source of efficiency.  It doesn't make you lazy, it just makes you smart.  I can work 40 hours a week and gain the benefits of those 40 hours, or I can work 40 hours a week and exploit circumstances to gain the benefits of 60 hours a week.

Doing hard things to show off what you are capable of is nice, don't get me wrong.  Everyone should endeavor to become successful enough to approach a difficult yet rewarding project, however it is an ego project on some level.

Posted by: Captain_Cookie at April 22, 2014 08:19 AM (qJPSp)

327 309 People do tend to self segregate. This is fact. The most segregated hour in America is Sunday Morning at 1100. We appear to have advanced on issues of race, but have we? Really? Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 22, 2014 12:16 PM (32Ze2) ___________ Sunday at 11...I'm usually about to tee off on the 7th hole. And yeah, nothing but white dudes around me.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:19 AM (0LHZx)

328 No one ever imagines being the kid who works really hard at Suburban School to get into the college of his choice, but gets rejected so the kid from Crappy School can be automatically accepted. Posted by: HR at April 22, 2014 12:07 PM (ZKzrr) Yup, that probably happens. It's why I preach to my children that being better is not enough, you have to be the best. It's called competition, and the sooner you learn the game is fixed, the quicker you figure out what it takes to legitimately succeed. Want to be a doctor, volunteer at a hospital for the criminally insane. Want to be a lawyer...don't ask me, I hate lawyers.

Posted by: fairweather bill at April 22, 2014 08:19 AM (vA2UI)

329 309 People do tend to self segregate. This is fact. The most segregated hour in America is Sunday Morning at 11:00. This is very much changing. Very much. Perhaps not in the mainstream watered down churches, but in the vibrant growing Christian congregations, there is a wealth of people from diverse backgrounds, both in the pews and in leadership.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 22, 2014 08:20 AM (oMKp3)

330 1958 was best year to be born white in the history of mankind. I was lucky as hell. No wars. Beer at 18.

Posted by: pc at April 22, 2014 08:20 AM (cUQF2)

331 "Job training programs" were never about training people for jobs.
Posted by: Damiano at April 22, 2014 12:19 PM (j0wOO)

Dude, I once worked at the Department of Labor.

I assure you that you have squarely hit the nail on the head.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Self-Denounced For Your Pleasure [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 08:20 AM (6T8Ay)

332 "He'll be gone by the end of Beast Barracks.
Then he will have the rest of his life to console himself with how racist this country is.
::: spit :::
Posted by: Sean Bannion, Self-Denounced For Your Pleasure at April 22, 2014 12:19 PM"

Don't bet on it...I could tell you stories about some classmates who most likely didn't make it in on merit, IYKWIM...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 22, 2014 08:21 AM (knoK7)

333 In general, such "working" (really "playing") the system does not lead to success- it leads one down the path of least resistance- which rarely leads to "success." If I continually do things that avoid conflict/struggle, then I never learn perseverance. Then when something really bad happens to me, I'm unprepared. So, sure, you might get lucky and make millions of dollars. More power to you. But you won't have the necessary Character to hold onto it when something bad happens. Your money will not be "wealth" it will simply be money- because you won't be equipped to understand how you got it in the first place. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 12:19 PM (PYAXX) ___________ That's bullshit and you know it. You think any of the captains of industry played nice or didn't take every advantage they could? You think Bill Gates showed "character"? You think Zuckerberg did? You think Henry Ford did? All these guys and every other household name was a ruthless sob who cut every corner, and fucked over everyone he could to get to where he was. Or in other words...nice guys always finish last.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:21 AM (0LHZx)

334 It would be evidence that you know how to work the system. And no matter how smart anyone is, working the system is what leads to success. Surely you realize this.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 12:16 PM (0LHZx)

 

 

------------------------------------------

 

 

Your thinking is very  Soviet.   Just sayin'.

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 08:22 AM (trhm+)

335 You know what they don't have in Europe? Illiterate "student athletes". I guess that's commie too. ---- I'm torn on college athletics. On one hand it is a distraction from the educational mission and I think colleges would be better if more people focused on the academic side than the athletic side. On the other hand, there is strong tradition behind college athletics in American society, and as a conservative I do not wish to do away with tradition lightly.

Posted by: SH at April 22, 2014 08:22 AM (gmeXX)

336 This is very much changing. Very much. Perhaps not in the mainstream watered down churches, but in the vibrant growing Christian congregations, there is a wealth of people from diverse backgrounds, both in the pews and in leadership. Posted by: grammie winger at April 22, 2014 12:20 PM (oMKp3) I haven't been in a church in 20 years, yet I'm closer to God than I've ever been. I guess I was jaded by the internal politics and every Sunday turned into Come To Jesus Sunday. So I wasn't learning anything.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:22 AM (x3YFz)

337 I'm sensing some subtle trolling going on here. hmmmmmm...

Posted by: Citizen X at April 22, 2014 08:22 AM (7ObY1)

338 Where's Ace?

Posted by: Soothie § at April 22, 2014 08:23 AM (XSOlV)

339 T9 - Forget the Mooer. A person his age to whom 'being smart' means scamming the system, and to whom affluence has obviously been handed, has no grasp of things like personal integrity.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 22, 2014 08:23 AM (aDwsi)

340 Okay, this is a dumb question. But can college admission officers really tell someone's race simply by looking at their high school GPA or SAT scores?


Posted by: Mike at April 22, 2014 08:23 AM (Rk8LS)

341 Don't bet on it...I could tell you stories about some classmates who most likely didn't make it in on merit, IYKWIM...  Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 22, 2014 12:21 PM (knoK7)

Indeed I do.  

I still say Beast will be one hell of an education for that kid.

"Whaddya mean I have to do everything everybody else does?!?!?!?"

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Self-Denounced For Your Pleasure [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 08:23 AM (6T8Ay)

342 It would be evidence that you know how to work the system. And no matter how smart anyone is, working the system is what leads to success. Surely you realize this. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 12:16 PM (0LHZx)Mr. MooMoo, there are three versions of working the system. One is the traditional "show up ready to work, learn your job, learn to lead, put ourself into the company and make added value", then there is "have daddy buy majority stock and rub everyone's nose in it" and then there is "threaten everyone with an EEOC suit, refuse to do the job and dare management to fire you, and in extremis intimate to everyone with power over you that your friends will sue the company closed and then firebomb their kids' houses for Social Justice." Surely you realize this. The joy of the third option is that you neither need grit, talent or excesive wealth to take over and control other's lives. Go for it.

Posted by: Aperture, doing what we must because we can at April 22, 2014 08:24 AM (SZM+L)

343 Or in other words...nice guys always finish last. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 12:21 PM (0LHZx) You have a really jacked up view of the universe.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:24 AM (x3YFz)

344 "309 People do tend to self segregate. This is fact. The most segregated hour in America is Sunday Morning at 1100. We appear to have advanced on issues of race, but have we? Really? Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 22, 2014 12:16 PM (32Ze2)" Not in Catholic churches. But then you have to ask yourself, are those Papists really American?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 22, 2014 08:24 AM (PD6iL)

345 Your thinking is very Soviet. Just sayin'. Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 12:22 PM (trhm+) _____________ Yeah because in 'murica there is no bureaucracy to maneuver though, no nepotism, no corruption. I wish I lived in your Utopia.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:24 AM (0LHZx)

346 This is very much changing. Very much. Perhaps not in the mainstream watered down churches, but in the vibrant growing Christian congregations, there is a wealth of people from diverse backgrounds, both in the pews and in leadership. Posted by: grammie winger at April 22, 2014 12:20 PM (oMKp3) ________________ That's true. I will agree with you on this.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 22, 2014 08:24 AM (32Ze2)

347 Okay, this is a dumb question. But can college admission officers really tell someone's race simply by looking at their high school GPA or SAT scores? Posted by: Mike at April 22, 2014 12:23 PM (Rk8LS) No.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:25 AM (x3YFz)

348 Or in other words...nice guys always finish last.  Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 12:21 PM (0LHZx)

*ahem*

Yeah.  Uh huh.

Posted by: YHWH [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 08:25 AM (6T8Ay)

349 ""Whaddya mean I have to do everything everybody else does?!?!?!?" Posted by: Sean Bannion, Self-Denounced For Your Pleasure at April 22, 2014 12:23 PM"

LOL  I recall a kid from the 82nd who was the first to bail, after having been reduced to tears.  Good times, good times....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 22, 2014 08:25 AM (knoK7)

350 "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." -- Martin Luther King, Jr.

Posted by: My Sisters' Brother at April 22, 2014 08:25 AM (EbFAg)

351 The most segregated hour in America is Sunday Morning at 11:00 ---- You'd be hard pressed to find a more diverse group of people as the congregation at my catholic church at that time.

Posted by: SH at April 22, 2014 08:25 AM (gmeXX)

352 here we go..

Posted by: Soothie § at April 22, 2014 08:25 AM (XSOlV)

353 grammie winger at April 22, 2014 12:20 PM (oMKp3) ***** I'd say that's because they have something bigger to belong to and believe in...Christ and being Christians. Different races can mix if there is something bigger that they both can believe in, i.e., Church, US Marine Corps, America the Beautiful, etc. But without it? Self segregation occurs very quickly.

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 22, 2014 08:25 AM (C+qQ0)

354 You want to live your life being the person that took the easiest path? Not to defend our bovine bloviator, but I'd like to remind my fellows in the Horde that we have a name for those who follow this philosophy. That name is Low Information Voter, though perhaps it should be Low Effort Voter.

Posted by: GEICO Caveman at April 22, 2014 08:25 AM (rt3TY)

355

I'm late to the thread and this may have been brought up...

 

"It's impossible," Spencer said in a recent interview, "to achieve diversity on a regular basis if race cannot be used as one of many factors."

 

I'd like to know why, exactly, she believes this.

Posted by: @johntant at April 22, 2014 08:26 AM (eytER)

356 Consequences of Affirmative Action:
1.  Lots of blacks loaded down with nondischargeable student loan debt for the rest of their lives because they didn't do so great at an expensive, elite school they shouldn't have attended and/or they showed up at their first post-graduation job and couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time like their non-AA peers, thus ending their careers on the launch pad after about 18 months of discomfort and hand-wringing about what to do about "the black guy."
2.  Based upon ample experience, people assume that any black person with a degree from an expensive, elite school didn't deserve to get into such school and thus probably can't do his job as well as his non-AA peers, and may even be incompetent.  Like my knee surgeon.
3.  Some pissed-off blacks who actually merited their admission to elite schools but run into No. 2 above.

Chances white liberal nutjobs can actually have a civil discussion regarding the above: 0%, unrounded.

Posted by: Magna Cum Louder at April 22, 2014 08:26 AM (yhJhK)

357 Yeah because in 'murica there is no bureaucracy to maneuver though, no nepotism, no corruption. I wish I lived in your Utopia. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 12:24 PM (0LHZx) Man, you just continue to insult people. Slow. The Fuck Down Engage brain.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:26 AM (x3YFz)

358 ...and apparently I hadn't changed socks since the Stone Age.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 22, 2014 08:26 AM (rt3TY)

359 I'm sensing some subtle trolling going on here. hmmmmmm... Posted by: Citizen X at April 22, 2014 12:22 PM (7ObY1) Subtle? In other news, I deserve a medal. I went to Cookout and did not get a milk shake. This is akin to going to Target and getting only what is on your list and spending under $100. *shiftyeyes* What's that, you say? Am I planning on stopping for one on my way home? That is a scurrilous lie. Scurrilous. Lie. *shiftyeyes*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 22, 2014 08:26 AM (mf5HN)

360 347 Okay, this is a dumb question. But can college admission officers really tell someone's race simply by looking at their high school GPA or SAT scores? Posted by: Mike at April 22, 2014 12:23 PM (Rk8LS) ___________ No but they can tell by your zip code or have a good guess. Name is a pretty good indicator. They can tell by your activities (not too many white guys join the Black Students for Obama Club). There are all sorts of clues that an admissions officer can look for and know what race the applicant is.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:27 AM (0LHZx)

361 And as for "American" as an ethnicity ... I think it will fail. Especially as Obama and the Left "fundamentally transforms" what being an American is. I know I identify less strongly as an American than I used to. What does it even mean? Why should I identify with a country that discriminates against me and my family? Why should I identify with a country run be people who hate and dehumanize me? I think as the idea of America continues to fail, people will look for other identities.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 08:27 AM (ZPrif)

362 340 Okay, this is a dumb question. But can college admission officers really tell someone's race simply by looking at their high school GPA or SAT scores?


Posted by: Mike at April 22, 2014 12:23 PM (Rk8LS)

 

I believe that we had something similar in a blog post last week or the week before.  And the answer would be no.

Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2014 08:27 AM (LI48c)

363 I'm torn on college athletics. On one hand it is a distraction from the educational mission and I think colleges would be better if more people focused on the academic side than the athletic side. On the other hand, there is strong tradition behind college athletics in American society, and as a conservative I do not wish to do away with tradition lightly. Posted by: SH ------------------ Easy solution, intramural sports/athletics. I do not mind intermural, but NO athletic scholarships. MIT seems to limp along without intermural atheletics.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 22, 2014 08:27 AM (aDwsi)

364 The CA Supreme Court isn't all that bad.  Check out Drouet v. Superior Court (2003) 31 Cal.4th 583.  http://tinyurl.com/myd5mt6

;->

Posted by: SFGoth at April 22, 2014 08:27 AM (1+jGB)

365 Sunday at 11...I'm usually about to tee off on the 7th hole. And yeah, nothing but white dudes around me. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo Seriously? The courses around here are often crowded with Asians. Not even Asian-Americans, but...Asians from Asia. Golf fees are so expensive in Japan and Korea now that it is actually CHEAPER for the average player to get on a plane and fly to San Francisco and play a round of golf at a beautiful public course with a $28 fee for 18 holes than it is to play a round at a course back home in Japan, which often costs $500 at a minimum, plus huge annual dues because most courses are private. Consequently, there are constant planeloads of people from Asia on the SF area public courses. Rarely does one hear English on the 7th tee.

Posted by: zombie at April 22, 2014 08:28 AM (mizYg)

366 Okay, this is a dumb question. But can college admission officers really tell someone's race simply by looking at their high school GPA or SAT scores? Posted by: Mike at April 22, 2014 12:23 PM (Rk8LS) No need for all of that.They simply look at the coversheet for the answers to the "diversity" questions. Looking at standardized test scores is racist. Don't you know that those tests are designed to favor rich, white people? Duh! /sarc

Posted by: Damiano at April 22, 2014 08:28 AM (j0wOO)

367 Subtle? Not the ongoing whatever it is with Moo Moo Something else I noticed. Maybe I should say Moby-ing, not trolling.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 22, 2014 08:28 AM (7ObY1)

368 I'm late to this, but isn't U of Michigan one of the places were the radical black leftists are threatening riots if the school doesn't mandate a minimum percentage of students be blacks--regardless of their qualifications?

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 22, 2014 08:28 AM (VjL9S)

369 LOL I recall a kid from the 82nd who was the first to bail, after having been reduced to tears. Good times, good times.... Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 22, 2014 12:25 PM (knoK7) Ruck to heavy? Feet hurt? Out of breath? Sleepy?

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:28 AM (x3YFz)

370 Not in Catholic churches. But then you have to ask yourself, are those Papists really American?  Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 22, 2014 12:24 PM (PD6iL)

::: does the two fingers to the eye thingy :::

I got my eye on you.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Commander of the Benedict XVI Papal Hussars [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 08:28 AM (6T8Ay)

371 Or in other words...nice guys always finish last. Mr. Moo Moo: cynicism is the most morally supine position it is possible to take. You just lay on the ground and declare that further action is futile because the great and omnipotent "them" are out to get you. It requires no strength, no empathy, no principals, and allows you to claim that you are better and wiser than anyone because "you see the trick" without raising a finger. It is good for the people who take advantage of you because you are now a willing and participating victim. Good for you! You've learned the lesson correctly. Have a beet.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 22, 2014 08:29 AM (SZM+L)

372 Where is Ace? I want some Earth Day nonsense to snark on.

Posted by: USA at April 22, 2014 08:29 AM (Sg02p)

373 "there are three versions of working the system. One is the traditional "show up ready to work, learn your job, learn to lead, put ourself into the company and make added value", then there is "have daddy buy majority stock and rub everyone's nose in it" and then there is "threaten everyone with an EEOC suit, refuse to do the job and dare management to fire you, and in extremis intimate to everyone with power over you that your friends will sue the company closed and then firebomb their kids' houses for Social Justice." Surely you realize this. The joy of the third option is that you neither need grit, talent or excesive wealth to take over and control other's lives. Go for it. Posted by: Aperture, doing what we must because we can at April 22, 2014 12:24 PM (SZM+L)" Essentially you have described two versions. In one version, people without connections try to make it based on hard work and talent. The alternative method is the "legacy admission" path. It is not surprising that our betters decided to bestow upon those that they favor the system that worked so well for them.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 22, 2014 08:29 AM (PD6iL)

374 Not to defend our bovine bloviator, but I'd like to remind my fellows in the Horde that we have a name for those who follow this philosophy. That name is Low Information Voter, though perhaps it should be Low Effort Voter. Posted by: GEICO Caveman at April 22, 2014 12:25 PM (rt3TY) __________ You have a good point. Voting Democrat gets $X amount of dollars by not working. Voting Republican means working for $X. Path of least resistance always wins out.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:29 AM (0LHZx)

375 I am aware of the fact that you don't believe in God, Moo Moo so this won't mean anything to you, but I'll say it anyway because it needs to be said. As faulty a human being as I am who has made many mistakes, I don't want to be known as ruthless human being who cut every corner and fucked everyone over simply so I could get ahead. I never wanted to be that kind of person. I don't give a darn that it means that I won't ever be known as a household name because I believe in a God who looks on the heart not on the outward appearance or outward signs of success.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2014 08:29 AM (XyM/Y)

376 hi alexthechick!
so you are going to stop by Target on the way home ?

Posted by: chemjeff at April 22, 2014 08:29 AM (dBV5N)

377 Is it weird that I agree with Moo Moo and Tangonine? Gentlemen, you're both right. Now go get a beer together.

Posted by: Mega at April 22, 2014 08:29 AM (hHFOx)

378 You think Bill Gates showed "character"? You think Zuckerberg did? You think Henry Ford did? No clue with Zuckerberg- he does seem like an entitled little tit. So maybe he didn't. I'll also point out that Facebook is a house of cards (currently worth billions of dollars), and if he doesn't realize when it's about to come down, he won't be worth billions of dollars at the end of it. Gates and Ford? Absolutely. They both worked hard and faced a whole lot of adversity. Nothing I said had anything to do with being "nice." It had to do with learning how to face adversity and overcome it- something that your "have it handed to me" plan misses. Of course people who run the biggest shops in the world are competitive, ruthless (within their spheres) people. Ruthless & competitive != looking for handouts.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 08:30 AM (PYAXX)

379 What evidence is there that any part of obama's agenda is failing?

Posted by: Soothie § at April 22, 2014 08:30 AM (XSOlV)

380

hi alexthechick!
so you are going to stop by Target on the way home ?

 

Which reminds me, I'm going to Wegmans for lunch.

Posted by: @johntant at April 22, 2014 08:30 AM (eytER)

381 375 I am aware of the fact that you don't believe in God, Moo Moo so this won't mean anything to you, but I'll say it anyway because it needs to be said. As faulty a human being as I am who has made many mistakes, I don't want to be known as ruthless human being who cut every corner and fucked everyone over simply so I could get ahead. I never wanted to be that kind of person. I don't give a darn that it means that I won't ever be known as a household name because I believe in a God who looks on the heart not on the outward appearance or outward signs of success. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2014 12:29 PM (XyM/Y) __________ It's cool by me. You want to live according to a set of values. Great. If that makes you happy, wonderful. But, you have to realize that living by those values puts you at a disadvantage.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:31 AM (0LHZx)

382 Religion is one of the few forces stronger than ethnicity. That was always a huge sales point. Christianity was what dissolved so many of the tribes of Europe.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 08:31 AM (ZPrif)

383 What evidence is there that any part of obama's agenda is failing? Posted by: Soothie § at April 22, 2014 12:30 PM (XSOlV) None. His agenda of turning America into a steaming pile of shit is coming along nicely.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:31 AM (x3YFz)

384 College sports are one of the few things about American universities that I like. If they were as good at producing well educated citizens as they are at putting on basketball tournaments, I'd have a lot more respect for them.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 22, 2014 08:31 AM (ZshNr)

385 "Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 12:28 PM"

As I recall, a prior service kid who didn't think he should have to play the game, because 'it isn't like this in the Real Army.'  Yeah...he didn't last long.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 22, 2014 08:31 AM (knoK7)

386 Moo Moo, where's my f*cking check?

Posted by: fairweather bill at April 22, 2014 08:32 AM (vA2UI)

387 I was a victim of discrimination when I applied to UC/Davis (outside Sac.) law.  I was an honors graduate from the Cal St. system, top 9% LSAT score, reserve looey.  Davis was USNews ranked 50.  I got into Boston University, which refused to practice Affirmative Discrimination, which was ranked 25.  Great for me?  Well, it was a good school, but I had to move myself across country from where I wanted to stay living, spend a crapton more for tuition, and then have little job-hunting success because I came from the East coast.

I absolutely refuse to do pro bono work.

Posted by: SFGoth at April 22, 2014 08:32 AM (1+jGB)

388 My $25,000 vouchers wouldn't help diversity. Black mothers in Detroit who home school in order to keep the 25K for each kid would surely deliver well educated (and severly battered) kids to U of M, however, after years of training, none of the black kids would associate with white public school trash.

Posted by: jwest at April 22, 2014 08:32 AM (u2a4R)

389 But, you have to realize that living by those values puts you at a disadvantage. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 12:31 PM (0LHZx) You might think that. In error.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:32 AM (x3YFz)

390 Mr. Moo Moo: cynicism is the most morally supine position it is possible to take. You just lay on the ground and declare that further action is futile because the great and omnipotent "them" are out to get you. It requires no strength, no empathy, no principals, and allows you to claim that you are better and wiser than anyone because "you see the trick" without raising a finger. It is good for the people who take advantage of you because you are now a willing and participating victim. Good for you! You've learned the lesson correctly. Have a beet. Posted by: Kindltot at April 22, 2014 12:29 PM (SZM+L) _________ Victim-hood has nothing to do with. It's being pragmatic. The world is a messy place. The sooner you understand that, the better off you are.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:32 AM (0LHZx)

391 That is a scurrilous lie I hear a steady diet of limes or oranges will clear that up.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 08:33 AM (PYAXX)

392 But, you have to realize that living by those values puts you at a disadvantage. ---- You do not have much evidence to support your point.

Posted by: SH at April 22, 2014 08:33 AM (gmeXX)

393 Hey AtC.... you know sometimes when you are sucking down that milkshake and you come across a crunchy patch? Yup..... spider eggs. Just like Bubble Yum Bubble Gum.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 22, 2014 08:33 AM (32Ze2)

394 kay, this is a dumb question. But can college admission officers really tell someone's race simply by looking at their high school GPA or SAT scores?  Posted by: Mike at April 22, 2014 12:23 PM (Rk8LS)

Statistically speaking....yes.

I once did a (blissfully) short tour as cadre at one of the Army's officer training schoolhouses.  One of my duties was to grade the English proficiency writing sample of brand new Second Lieutenants.  This was done in the blind, no name, no biographical data, only a Test ID number.  Then the number was mated to the student's data after the sample was graded.

I got pretty good at spotting "graduates" of Historically Black Colleges and Universities, because the errors were so stunningly similar.  I did this for 18 months.  Eighty writing samples every two months....for 18 months.

Sad, really.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 08:33 AM (MPIX5)

395 And one thing we are going to have to revisit in this country--if we are committed to freedom rather than privileges:

Should a business have the right to refuse the entry of a black man merely because he is black?

I know it's awful. Hell, merely thinking such a thought--even if I condemn the owner as a nasty racist--is enough for the totalitarian leftists to brand me a racist.

But, where are we going here? Now that gays have seized upon the same laws to put people out of business, get people fired, to levy massive fines upon bakers and photographers?


Posted by: RoyalOil at April 22, 2014 08:33 AM (VjL9S)

396 hi alexthechick! so you are going to stop by Target on the way home ? Posted by: chemjeff at April 22, 2014 12:29 PM (dBV5N) *waves* No. No, of course not. That the Target is in the same general shopping area as the Cookout to which I am not going and not getting a milkshake is utter happenstance. Obligatory: http://bit.ly/QCKSrA

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 22, 2014 08:34 AM (mf5HN)

397 340 Okay, this is a dumb question. But can college admission officers really tell someone's race simply by looking at their high school GPA or SAT scores? Posted by: Mike at April 22, 2014 12:23 PM (Rk8LS) ***** Yes they can. Not from the SAT, but from the "high school GPA". They look at the demographics of the school that the kid is coming from. A kid from "Malcom X. High School" in Detroit, MI is going to be black, and viewed as such from the admissions department. A kid from "Little Lord Fauntleroy's Preparatory Academy" in East Egg, Long Island is going to be white, and viewed as such from the admissions department. And if there is doubt, the admissions department will make a phone call to the kids school and talk to his academic counselors to find out his race.

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 22, 2014 08:34 AM (C+qQ0)

398 Since there is absolutely no chance of rolling back entitlements ever, I have a different proposal. Every high school graduate gets a government check for $200,000. They can spent it on college, starting a business, job training, or new sneakers and blow. No questions asked. Here's the catch. That's all they get. *puts on psychic hat* Here's what would happen. Exactly the same percentage of people would achieve some degree of success as now while the majority would be looking for the next handout.

Posted by: Damiano at April 22, 2014 08:34 AM (j0wOO)

399 387 I was a victim of discrimination when I applied to UC/Davis (outside Sac.) law. I was an honors graduate from the Cal St. system, top 9% LSAT score, reserve looey. Davis was USNews ranked 50. I got into Boston University, which refused to practice Affirmative Discrimination, which was ranked 25. Great for me? Well, it was a good school, but I had to move myself across country from where I wanted to stay living, spend a crapton more for tuition, and then have little job-hunting success because I came from the East coast. I absolutely refuse to do pro bono work. Posted by: SFGoth at April 22, 2014 12:32 PM (1+jGB) __________ But you triumphed after adversity. Your character was made stronger. You should be happy. Right Allen G?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:34 AM (0LHZx)

400 318 Look at the huge damage the "hispanic" category is creating. Half of the 2nd and 3rd generation "hispanics" would already have melted into some generic white mutt like the Irish, Italians, Polish, Germans, etc did ... except the government hands out bennies if you hold onto your "hispanic" and "latino" heritage. Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 12:18 PM (ZPrif) ----------------------------- THIS. Of all the privileged "racial" groups the government has set up, none is sillier than the "Hispanic" one. The new trend of expanding it to "Latino," so you can claim that Brazilian immigrants are oppressed is especially hilarious. Italian-Americans, the original Latins, are White Oppressors --- while Giselle Bundchen is an Oppressed Woman of Color!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2014 08:35 AM (dfYL9)

401 As I recall, a prior service kid who didn't think he should have to play the game, because 'it isn't like this in the Real Army.' Yeah...he didn't last long. Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 22, 2014 12:31 PM (knoK7) When you explain to them the bad guys don't give two shits about the "real army" and they'll just fucking shoot you as quick, it may sink in. If it don't, exfil them.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:35 AM (x3YFz)

402 "Golf fees are so expensive in Japan and Korea now that it is actually CHEAPER for the average player to get on a plane and fly to San Francisco and play a round of golf at a beautiful public course with a $28 fee for 18 holes than it is to play a round at a course back home in Japan, which often costs $500 at a minimum, plus huge annual dues because most courses are private. Consequently, there are constant planeloads of people from Asia on the SF area public courses. Rarely does one hear English on the 7th tee. Posted by: zombie at April 22, 2014 12:28 PM (mizYg)" Interesting. I wonder if it would be possible for other locations to cash in on this somehow. A jumbo jet direct from Tokyo to Des Moines for a weekend of golf and then back in the office on Monday.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 22, 2014 08:35 AM (PD6iL)

403 But, you have to realize that living by those values puts you at a disadvantage. Tell that to S. Truett Cathy.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 08:35 AM (PYAXX)

404 Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 22, 2014 12:33 PM (MPIX5)

Racist.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2014 08:36 AM (QFxY5)

405 I know I identify less strongly as an American than I used to. What does it even mean? Why should I identify with a country that discriminates against me and my family? Why should I identify with a country run be people who hate and dehumanize me?

I think as the idea of America continues to fail, people will look for other identities.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 12:27 PM (ZPrif)

 

 

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When I'm overseas, I tell everyone I'm from Oklahoma.  I don't even mention the name America  or the United States  anymore.

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 08:36 AM (trhm+)

406 No entitlement reform? Then say hello to Logan's Run .

Posted by: Soothie § at April 22, 2014 08:36 AM (XSOlV)

407 Did a certain poster talk about the vouchers and saving Detroit yet?

Posted by: MilitarizedThugCopJoe at April 22, 2014 08:37 AM (GWxXv)

408 Yes they can. Not from the SAT, but from the "high school GPA". They look at the demographics of the school that the kid is coming from. Posted by: Taco Shack at April 22, 2014 12:34 PM (C+qQ0) nono... see you added in another factor: demographic based on geography. That wasn't part of the question.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:37 AM (x3YFz)

409 When I'm overseas, I tell everyone I'm from Oklahoma. I don't even mention the name America or the United States anymore. ---- I think it is actually good that people start identifying with their state more. Of course Texans have been doing this from the very beginning.

Posted by: SH at April 22, 2014 08:37 AM (gmeXX)

410 Logan ran away because he didn't want to become soylent green.

Posted by: Soothie § at April 22, 2014 08:37 AM (XSOlV)

411 I once did a (blissfully) short tour as cadre at one of the Army's officer training schoolhouses. One of my duties was to grade the English proficiency writing sample of brand new Second Lieutenants. This was done in the blind, no name, no biographical data, only a Test ID number. Then the number was mated to the student's data after the sample was graded.

I got pretty good at spotting "graduates" of Historically Black Colleges and Universities, because the errors were so stunningly similar. I did this for 18 months. Eighty writing samples every two months....for 18 months.


How many variations of "Sergeant, what are we doing today?" are there?



Posted by: EC at April 22, 2014 08:38 AM (GQ8sn)

412 I know I identify less strongly as an American than I used to. What does it even mean? Why should I identify with a country that discriminates against me and my family? Why should I identify with a country run be people who hate and dehumanize me? I think as the idea of America continues to fail, people will look for other identities. Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 12:27 PM (ZPrif) ---------------------------------------------- When I'm overseas, I tell everyone I'm from Oklahoma. I don't even mention the name America or the United States anymore. Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 12:36 PM (trhm+) Guess I'll be the last one to hold the flag. So be it.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:38 AM (x3YFz)

413 "When you explain to them the bad guys don't give two shits about the "real army" and they'll just fucking shoot you as quick, it may sink in. If it don't, exfil them. Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 12:35 PM"

Amen, brother.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 22, 2014 08:38 AM (knoK7)

414 It's incentives. The current incentives, a system carefully constructed and installed by the Leftards That Be, encourage system-playing over genuine learning and effort. Thus under the current (highly corrupt and degenerate) system, adopting that strategy gives an advantage in this context. Mind you, we all know the rest of the story. Or most of us. But the folks that adopted that path, they don't, or don't care. They don't think it will ever change.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 22, 2014 08:38 AM (rt3TY)

415 But you triumphed after adversity. Your character was made stronger. You should be happy. Right Allen G? I say nothing about happy. Happy is a choice. But, yes, he's better in a position to handle the next adversity that comes his way. Because he fought through that and found out he *could,* if for no other reason.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 08:38 AM (PYAXX)

416 Gates and Ford? Absolutely. They both worked hard and faced a whole lot of adversity.  Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 12:30 PM (PYAXX)

Henry Ford...yeah, not so much.

He ripped off one of my relatives for the patent on the Ferguson tractor's three-point hitch design.  Good ole Uncle Harry sued him.

And won $10 million.  Back when $10 million was some real money.

So no, Henry Ford was a scumbag.

Google it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 08:38 AM (6T8Ay)

417 The good thing was Logan was already wearing his running outfit.

Posted by: Soothie § at April 22, 2014 08:38 AM (XSOlV)

418 Racist.   Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2014 12:36 PM (QFxY5)

Did I forget to pre-denounce myself?

Sorry.  Forgot.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 08:39 AM (6T8Ay)

419 Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 12:36 PM (trhm+)

You're lucky.

I live in New Jersey.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2014 08:39 AM (QFxY5)

420 When I'm overseas, I tell everyone I'm from Oklahoma. I don't even mention the name America or the United States anymore.

----

I think it is actually good that people start identifying with their state more. Of course Texans have been doing this from the very beginning. Posted by: SH
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'Cause we're awesome.

It's a whole 'nother country.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 22, 2014 08:40 AM (VjL9S)

421 Seriously? The courses around here are often crowded with Asians. Not even Asian-Americans, but...Asians from Asia. Golf fees are so expensive in Japan and Korea now that it is actually CHEAPER for the average player to get on a plane and fly to San Francisco and play a round of golf at a beautiful public course with a $28 fee for 18 holes than it is to play a round at a course back home in Japan, which often costs $500 at a minimum, plus huge annual dues because most courses are private. Consequently, there are constant planeloads of people from Asia on the SF area public courses. Rarely does one hear English on the 7th tee. Posted by: zombie at April 22, 2014 12:28 PM (mizYg) _______ I don't live in SF. But the odd time I've played in the area, as best I remember, it wasn't with non-English speakers. In my neck of the woods, golf courses are still close to 100% white....then again the population in general is 85-90% white too. Yes I know, I'm a racist for living where I do.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:40 AM (0LHZx)

422 Yeah, you can be a pure-blood Spaniard who's family personally introduced smallpox to the Americas, wiped out millions of Amerindians, and then ran a Dominican sugar plantation using African slave labor for hundreds of years ... and then move to Miami in 1996 and claim Affirmative Action cause of all the discrimination you've suffered as a "Latino". It's literally insane.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 08:40 AM (ZPrif)

423 403 But, you have to realize that living by those values puts you at a disadvantage. Tell that to S. Truett Cathy. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 12:35 PM (PYAXX) Or Dave Thomas or Harlan Sanders.

Posted by: fairweather bill at April 22, 2014 08:40 AM (vA2UI)

424 The real untold story is how fifty years of minority set-asides and quotas have been squandered by these minority communities.

Posted by: John Adams at April 22, 2014 08:40 AM (e8kgV)

425 412. Guess I'll be the last one to hold the flag. Rainbow?

Posted by: MilitarizedThugCopJoe at April 22, 2014 08:41 AM (GWxXv)

426 Henry Ford was a scumbag. ___________ And a Nazi too. Really nice guy that old Hank.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 08:41 AM (0LHZx)

427 Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 12:32 PM (0LHZx) Mr, Moo Moo, I misspoke myself. I did not mean to imply that you were a victim. I intended to state that your position is morally supine and that in taking it you show no strength, no empathy, no principals, and appear to be self deluding. I do consider that in trying to seduce others to your world-view you perform a great harm to the world, but there are so many now being done by people like you it sort of gets lost in the background.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 22, 2014 08:41 AM (SZM+L)

428 Having "Latino" as an official oppressed group is like having Affirmative Action for "Southerners" cause we know slavery took place in the South, but it's too confusing to figure out who was the slave and who was the master, so we just give all Southerners govt bennies. Affirmative Action for Conquistador-Americans is insane, but it's the law.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 08:41 AM (ZPrif)

429
   If you could have just 2 generations of kids--ignoring race and ethnicity--SEPARATED from the adults, raised as we in my generation were it would make an astonishing difference.

  If.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 22, 2014 08:42 AM (SAMxH)

430 Rainbow? Posted by: MilitarizedThugCopJoe at April 22, 2014 12:41 PM (GWxXv) Nice try.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:42 AM (x3YFz)

431 It's cool by me. You want to live according to a set of values. Great. If that makes you happy, wonderful.

But, you have to realize that living by those values puts you at a disadvantage.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 22, 2014 12:31 PM (0LHZx)

 

 

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Yup.  The next time I hear Billy Grahams name I'll think of what you said.

 

The next time I hear Bill Wilson's name I'll think of what you said.

 

The next time I hear Buzz Aldrin's name, I'll remember what you said.

 

ETC., ETC.

 

 

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 08:42 AM (trhm+)

432 So no, Henry Ford was a scumbag. I never said he wasn't. I said he worked hard faced a whole lot of adversity. Which your statement does not undermine in the least. I could also point to, say, Richard Sears. Dale Carnegie. I never said they were "nice." I never even said they were "good people." I said they worked hard and learned perseverance. Contrast a Henry Ford or Richard Sears or Dale Carnegie with, say, a hollywood celebrity, or Paris Hilton. Which of these would survive, and then thrive, after losing their fortunes?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 08:42 AM (PYAXX)

433 The black kid who got into all 8 Ivy League schools got in with SATs that white kids couldn't have gotten into even one Ivy.

Posted by: NCKate at April 22, 2014 08:43 AM (UQyRl)

434
The real final answer to all of this is to get all govt funding out of all schooling everywhere.  Smod or a collapse it will have to be.

That said, a new Hate Shack has opened up near my house, I may have to get a hate sandwich and a hetero-shake for lunch.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 22, 2014 08:43 AM (hJauc)

435 430. I'm on my first cup of coffee Yeah, that's my excuse

Posted by: MilitarizedThugCopJoe at April 22, 2014 08:43 AM (GWxXv)

436 Posted by: Kindltot at April 22, 2014 12:41 PM (SZM+L) Well put.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:43 AM (x3YFz)

437 But, where are we going here? Now that gays have seized upon the same laws to put people out of business, get people fired, to levy massive fines upon bakers and photographers? Posted by: RoyalOil at April 22, 2014 12:33 PM (VjL9S) My simplistic reaction to that type of thinking is that if someone's right to vote is compromised or denied (not talking about fraud or ID), I'll be on the front lines or the barricades. If the right to vote in fair and public elections has not been compromised, stay out. Has a LGBTQXYZ been denied voting rights? If not, my interest in some jumped-up special interest group is nil.

Posted by: Mustbequantum at April 22, 2014 08:43 AM (MIKMs)

438 I'm on my first cup of coffee Yeah, that's my excuse Posted by: MilitarizedThugCopJoe at April 22, 2014 12:43 PM (GWxXv) fn squids.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:44 AM (x3YFz)

439 I never said he wasn't. I said he worked hard faced a whole lot of adversity. Which your statement does not undermine in the least.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 12:42 PM (PYAXX)

Oh, I dunno, it some parts of the world stealing the fruits of someone else's labor would be considered "not working very hard."

Maybe not here though.  My bad.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 08:44 AM (6T8Ay)

440 Michelle Obama bragged she "overcame the odds" cause she got into the Ivy League schools even though people said her test scores were too low. My test scores were above the average for the Ivies. People told me I was a shoo-in. But my eurasian mutt ass was rejected by all of them.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 08:44 AM (ZPrif)

441 This guest host on Rush is giving me a headache. Time to switch streams.

Posted by: jwest at April 22, 2014 08:45 AM (u2a4R)

442 416 Gates and Ford? Absolutely. They both worked hard and faced a whole lot of adversity. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 12:30 PM (PYAXX)

Henry Ford...yeah, not so much.

He ripped off one of my relatives for the patent on the Ferguson tractor's three-point hitch design. Good ole Uncle Harry sued him.

And won $10 million. Back when $10 million was some real money.

So no, Henry Ford was a scumbag.

Google it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 22, 2014 12:38 PM (6T8Ay)

 

And Bill Gates had mommy and daddy's money to fall back on.  If his fledgling business had gone tits up, they could have easily gotten him into another school where he could have gone on to have a decent life.

Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2014 08:45 AM (LI48c)

443 How hard is it to envision a world in which you get accepted to a higher level of learning based on merit? Pretty simple, right?

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:45 AM (x3YFz)

444 'Cause we're awesome.

It's a whole 'nother country.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 22, 2014 12:40 PM (VjL9S)

 

 

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Geez!

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2014 08:46 AM (trhm+)

445 The Left is fighting for the right to discriminate against Whites, while calling everyone else a racist.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 08:46 AM (ZPrif)

446 439. You do realize it took surgery to remove my coffee cup from my hand when I retired out Chiefs and coffee mugs...they just go together

Posted by: MilitarizedThugCopJoe at April 22, 2014 08:47 AM (GWxXv)

447 Merit is racist. Meritocracy=White Privilege Shut up, he explained.

Posted by: Progtard 2000 at April 22, 2014 08:47 AM (ZPrif)

448 "Guess I'll be the last one to hold the flag. So be it. Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 12:38 PM (x3YFz)" I certainly don't want to talk you out of it but I'm not doing it any more. Good luck to you.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 22, 2014 08:48 AM (PD6iL)

449 nono... see you added in another factor: demographic based on geography. That wasn't part of the question. Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 12:37 PM (x3YFz) ***** His question mentioned High School GPA, not just a GPA number. Implying to me that information about WHERE said GPA came from is included. Nonetheless, perhaps my answer went beyond the questions original remit. In which case, did I explain how the selection actually takes place? Guilty as charged.

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 22, 2014 08:48 AM (C+qQ0)

450 Planet of the Apes circa 1969 or whenever it was is a seriously underated film in the history of cinema. Its edgy even by todays standards. They taxidermied a human. That was some unsettling shit. Front to back that film brought it.

Posted by: pc at April 22, 2014 08:49 AM (cUQF2)

451 385 - Heh. Had a conversation with a guy a while back. It evolved that he had been a draftee during VN. First, he was only in for a brief time, less than two years with an early-out. He told me how much he hated it because, "I don't like being bossed around." He has spent his 'career' as a janitor for a largish building built and owned by his grandfather. Then..., his grandfather died, the guy inherited the building, sold it, and told me that he'll never have to work again. He promptly started buying all sorts of useless bullshit. There is a relationship between character and judgement. Bill Clinton is a prime example of of poor character/poor judgement. That society rewards such people is only evidence of the certain doom that we face. Someone once said, "If you want to know what God thinks about money, look at the people he gives it to." Sooner or later, they pay a price.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 22, 2014 08:49 AM (aDwsi)

452 The black kid who got into all 8 Ivy League schools got in with SATs that white kids couldn't have gotten into even one Ivy.  Posted by: NCKate at April 22, 2014 12:43 PM (UQyRl)

Had a woman in my office a few years back (she's black) whose daughter got into MIT.  She was all excited and proud and just goin' on and on and on.

Came out a little later in the conversion that she got in on an affirmative action admit, because she didn't have the grades or the SAT scores to get in on her own.  Then MIT put her through a boot camp the whole summer prior to frosh year to make sure she was ready for college.  There were no white kids in the boot camp IYKWIMAITTYD.

Her major was chemical engineering.  She's not working as a chemical engineer today.

Nobody is doing these kids any favors by making think they are better than they are.

Jus' sayin'


Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 08:49 AM (6T8Ay)

453 "It's impossible," Spencer said in a recent interview, "to achieve diversity on a regular basis if race cannot be used as one of many factors."

Translation to English from Liberalese: "It is impossible for those dumb darkies to go to college without us setting different standards for them."

That's what liberals REALLY BELIEVE, but somehow we conservatives are the "real racists".

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 22, 2014 08:49 AM (WtVhX)

454 Oh, I dunno, it some parts of the world stealing the fruits of someone else's labor would be considered "not working very hard." Yes, because no matter what else he did, the fact he stole a patent means he never worked hard. Yep, exactly. Seriously? This is lost on you? I'm not defending the guy (not as a person). I'm not saying he was good, or nice, or anything. Are you suggesting that the only things he *ever* did were stolen? Did he steal all the capital necessary to set up that first production line? 'Cause, if Henry Ford was some kind of major criminal kingpin, I never heard of it. People aren't perfect- which ALSO means they're not perfectly anything. Sometimes good people do bad things. Sometimes people who work hard *do* take the easy way out. Sometimes otherwise completely rational people decide the focus of an argument was completely other than what it was.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 08:49 AM (PYAXX)

455 440. Hmmmm, I don't believe that Moochelle went to one of the best high schools in Chicago and they turn out some really smart kids She may have actually scored high on her SAT and or ACT

Posted by: MilitarizedThugCopJoe at April 22, 2014 08:49 AM (GWxXv)

456
Of course, Moo Cow is wrong.  He wants to argue as if a smart better negotiator or arbitrager is wahoo way out fantastic which it surely is, yet carefully avoids what social programs have done to the poor in America for generations across all races.  Sure they took free govt stuff and they and their communities suffered greatly for it.

I doubt he wants to argue they are better off than pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps.  But if he is, then he is just a dumbass.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 22, 2014 08:49 AM (hJauc)

457 I genuinely identify with those who believe in taking the hard road, always doing the right thing, and living consistently according to a discrete set of values... but also with MM's "can't beat 'em, join 'em" mindset.

I think MM may one day see the value in the other way of thinking (and there is great, great value in it), but I can understand if he doesn't. The world's a tough place and it's only gonna get tougher.

Posted by: Mega at April 22, 2014 08:50 AM (hHFOx)

458 Someone once said, "If you want to know what God thinks about money, look at the people he gives it to." Sooner or later, they pay a price. Dorothy Parker said that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2014 08:50 AM (XyM/Y)

459 You do realize it took surgery to remove my coffee cup from my hand when I retired out Chiefs and coffee mugs...they just go together Posted by: MilitarizedThugCopJoe at April 22, 2014 12:47 PM (GWxXv) Oh... I know. And it hasn't been cleaned in 20 years because you were 'seasoning' it.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:50 AM (x3YFz)

460 Google it. Michelle Obama was an Affirmative Action bitch.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 08:50 AM (ZPrif)

461 Yes, because no matter what else he did, the fact he stole a patent means he never worked hard. Yep, exactly.

Seriously? This is lost on you? I'm not defending the guy (not as a person). I'm not saying he was good, or nice, or anything.

Are you suggesting that the only things he *ever* did were stolen? Did he steal all the capital necessary to set up that first production line? 'Cause, if Henry Ford was some kind of major criminal kingpin, I never heard of it.

People aren't perfect- which ALSO means they're not perfectly anything. Sometimes good people do bad things. Sometimes people who work hard *do* take the easy way out. Sometimes otherwise completely rational people decide the focus of an argument was completely other than what it was.  Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 12:49 PM (PYAXX)

No, I'm saying you just made Moo Moo's point.  

That's what I am saying.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 08:51 AM (6T8Ay)

462 moo moo is honorless and soulless. I say that without sarcasm. I don't care, there are too many just like him for me to start giving a shit.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:51 AM (x3YFz)

463 Google, motherfucker - Consider the case of Michelle Obama. She was raised in a two-parent, middle-class family. She applied to one of America’s top universities, Princeton, and was admitted. Of this experience, Michelle says on the stump, “All my life I have confronted people who had a certain expectation of me. Every step of the way, there has been people telling me what I couldn’t do. When I applied to Princeton, they said: you can’t go there, your test scores aren’t high enough.”

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 08:51 AM (ZPrif)

464 Chiefs and coffee mugs...they just go together Posted by: Militarized ------------------ I've mentioned this before. I had a First Sargent who claimed he hadn't washed his coffee mug in 15 years. It looked it. Kind of like the bowl of a well-seasoned pipe.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 22, 2014 08:51 AM (aDwsi)

465 459. Oh... I know. And it hasn't been cleaned in 20 years because you were 'seasoning' it. Yep yep 460. Googling now

Posted by: MilitarizedThugCopJoe at April 22, 2014 08:52 AM (GWxXv)

466 “I wish I could drink like a lady / I can take one or two at the most / Three and I'm under the table / Four and I'm under the host” Dorothy Parker also said that. She was a very witty, clever woman but not a happy one.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2014 08:52 AM (XyM/Y)

467 "You're lucky. I live in New Jersey. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2014 12:39 PM (QFxY5)" Change your luck. Move to a state where you are not embarrassed to tell people you live.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 22, 2014 08:53 AM (PD6iL)

468 One can learned everything they need to know about hand outs if they did 1 year follow ups to Extreme Home Makeover. Original show: Yay! We built you this beautiful house, increased your equity by 100 fold, and stuffed a bank account with enough money for taxes for the next 10 years and gave you college tuition trust accounts for your 20 kids! Follow up 1 year later: The house has 6 new mortgages on it and is in foreclosure, the tax account is empty, there are liens on the tuition accounts... but check out the spinners on the Escalade that the repo guy is towing away!

Posted by: Damiano at April 22, 2014 08:53 AM (j0wOO)

469 464. We call that fine growth "flavor"

Posted by: MilitarizedThugCopJoe at April 22, 2014 08:53 AM (GWxXv)

470 People aren't perfect- which ALSO means they're not perfectly anything. Sometimes good people do bad things. Sometimes people who work hard *do* take the easy way out. Sometimes otherwise completely rational people decide the focus of an argument was completely other than what it was. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 12:49 PM (PYAXX) Absolutely. But then. One day. It dawns on you. Cuts like a hammer. And you go "oh, shit." And from that point, forward, you never do that again.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:54 AM (x3YFz)

471 No, I'm saying you just made Moo Moo's point. Moo-chicken's* point is that taking the easier path is *always preferable* to taking a harder path. That ever to take a path that seems harder now is to be a chump. I fail to see how pointing out that Henry Ford whatever else he was was someone who faced adversity to earn his wealth is "making his point." *-personal joke, but it fits here

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 08:54 AM (PYAXX)

472 Oh... I know. And it hasn't been cleaned in 20 years because you were 'seasoning' it.  Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 12:50 PM (x3YFz)

When I was a PL I had a 1SG who was in every morning at 4 am...finished his second POT of coffee just before PT Formation at 0530.

That pot had a crust on it that could not be removed with acetone.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 08:54 AM (6T8Ay)

473 Thank god for Hispanic women or white guys would really be having an identity crisis. Or maybe we should thank their men.

Posted by: pc at April 22, 2014 08:55 AM (cUQF2)

474 http://townhall.com/columnists/ dineshdsouza/2008/06/30/michelle_obamas_inferiority_complex/page/full Consider the case of Michelle Obama. She was raised in a two-parent, middle-class family. She applied to one of America's top universities, Princeton, and was admitted. Of this experience, Michelle says on the stump, "All my life I have confronted people who had a certain expectation of me. Every step of the way, there has been people telling me what I couldn't do. When I applied to Princeton, they said: you can't go there, your test scores aren't high enough." Which is all very moving, except that her test scores weren't high enough. Michelle Obama is part of the affirmative action generation of above-average but far-from-stellar performers who were granted preferential admission to America's most elite institutions. ... One might expect that the reaction of someone who gets so many privileges to be grateful to a society that makes them possible. But no. Michelle Obama thinks that her very success is an example of white oppression. By a bizarre twist of logic, she converts "you're not good enough, but we'll take you anyway" into a message of "they said I wasn't good enough, but I proved them wrong."

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 08:55 AM (ZPrif)

475 Then..., his grandfather died, the guy inherited the building, sold it, and told me that he'll never have to work again. He promptly started buying all sorts of useless bullshit.


Knew a guy whose great grandmother died with a ton of shares of RJR Reynolds that were split up amongst the family per her will.  His family's share at that time was worth about $1.5 million.  The smart play was to hang onto them and let them rise in value.

Nope.

Liquidated everything and bought a McMansion with new cars for him and his brother.  Both promptly wreck their new cars.  Parents replace them with two more new cars.  Both wrecked again.  By this time, the dad had spent a shit-ton on guns and a security system to protect them.  Soon, their debts caught up with them and they were forced to sell off most of what they acquired.

Stupid people with sudden access to large sums of money will end up poor again.


Posted by: EC at April 22, 2014 08:55 AM (GQ8sn)

476 I noticed Moo Moo disappeared as soon as I asked for my mutherf*cking check. Typical.

Posted by: fairweather bill at April 22, 2014 08:55 AM (vA2UI)

477 Obama and Mooch have both admitted they were Affirmative Action babies. Obama admitted it openly, Mooch admitted it only by bragging about her low test scores.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 08:56 AM (ZPrif)

478 I fail to see how pointing out that Henry Ford whatever else he was was someone who faced adversity to earn his wealth is "making his point."
*-personal joke, but it fits here  Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 12:54 PM (PYAXX)

His corollary was that being amoral was what got them there and kept them there.  You (appeared at least) to differ.

Then your post makes the exact point of that corollary.

Done with this argument now.  I like you too much to keep pushing it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 08:56 AM (6T8Ay)

479

“I wish I could drink like a lady / I can take one or two at the most / Three and I'm under the table / Four and I'm under the host”

 


Dorothy Parker also said that. She was a very witty, clever woman but not a happy one.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2014 12:52 PM (XyM/Y)

 

She also said, after an abortion, "I guess I put all my eggs in one bastard."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 22, 2014 08:57 AM (zF6Iw)

480 98 I'd like to see it as a victory, but of course as we all know the Colleges and Universities will do what they were doing overtly in a covert manner in order to circumvent the law. It'll take another twenty years or so to catch up with what they'll be doing after this decision. -------- The original vote by the people was a hard won fight. The opposing people called themselves BAMN, and it stood for By Any Means Necessary. Pretty subtle. And immediately after the results, the university said they would ignore the vote! Plus, the vote was tied to the presidential election, and Obama won that, so it showed that Michigan was not racist.

Posted by: Chillin the most at April 22, 2014 08:57 AM (gxtMZ)

481 Posted by: MilitarizedThugCopJoe at April 22, 2014 12:52 PM (GWxXv) Senior or Master? So when I flip you shit I temper it with the appropriate respect.

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:58 AM (x3YFz)

482 "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." -- Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.That day is today in Michigan

Posted by: Dobie Gillis at April 22, 2014 08:58 AM (e8kgV)

483 But no. Michelle Obama thinks that her very success is an example of white oppression. By a bizarre twist of logic, she converts "you're not good enough, but we'll take you anyway" into a message of "they said I wasn't good enough, but I proved them wrong."  Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 12:55 PM (ZPrif)

If she had ever actually read her senior thesis she'd realize "they" were right all along.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 08:58 AM (6T8Ay)

484 Obama and Mooch have both admitted they were Affirmative Action babies. Obama admitted it openly, Mooch admitted it only by bragging about her low test scores. Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 12:56 PM (ZPrif) Didn't they both practice law for about 19 minutes, combined?

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 08:59 AM (x3YFz)

485 "they said I wasn't good enough, but I proved them wrong." Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 22, 2014 12:55 PM (ZPrif) Can we go back again and restate that she's not good enough?

Posted by: tangonine at April 22, 2014 09:01 AM (x3YFz)

486 Didn't they both practice law for about 19 minutes, combined? Posted by: tangonine ----------------- About the same amount of time that the guy spent in the Senate.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 22, 2014 09:01 AM (aDwsi)

487 nood

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 22, 2014 09:02 AM (6T8Ay)

488 Well, yes. I assume many who graduate from t.u. are that dumb. Because, you know, graduating from the bigger State School is so important that you should try to game the system to do so, instead of getting in on merit (still possible), or going to a private university or a smaller State school.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 11:50 AM (PYAXX)


********************************


There is a program by which UT Austin guarantees admission to students who are good enough, but not in the top 8% (it's now 8 for Austin) in their high schools to go to one of the other colleges in the UT system for freshman year, take certain specified courses, make a GPA above a cutoff score, and automatically be eligible to transfer to Austin for sophomore year. A&M does the same thing.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 22, 2014 09:02 AM (QVC7W)

489 452 Nobody is doing these kids any favors by making think they are better than they are. Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 22, 2014 12:49 PM (6T8Ay) -------------------- It's a set-up for failure. If that kid had gone to a lower tier school with kids closer to her level, especially one that specializes in teaching undergraduates, she might well be a chemical engineer today. She would have gotten a lot of extra help, as would many of her classmates. She would not be outpaced and always trying to catch up. She WOULD learn the material, if she worked hard.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 22, 2014 09:02 AM (dfYL9)

490 Roseanne Barr ✔ @therealroseanne
Follow
Neuter boys at birth
2:02 PM - 21 Apr 2014


Liberal tolerance, ahoy!

Posted by: Citizen X at April 22, 2014 11:19 AM (7ObY1)


The easiest way to obtain that neutering result would be to wait until their little eyes develop and then expose them to a glamor shot of Roseanne in a Bikini - that would sterilize frogs at 100 paces.


Oops, the thought of that much weapons grade ugly just made me turtle up.


Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at April 22, 2014 09:03 AM (ylhEn)

491 Curse the lack of ampersand! Sorry Aggies!

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 22, 2014 09:03 AM (QVC7W)

492

O/T  Ukraine report on the local 11am news. 

 

Someone finally noticed that Russian Spetnaz troops are in the Eastern Ukraine and leading the "pro-Russian Ukrainian" separatists.  Because Vlad wants to control the pro-Russian demonstrations and riots. 

 

The geniuses at ABC News are disputing the report.  ABC News interviewed several of these separatists, and said that they are probably Ukrainian, because they have Ukrainian accents!  These are the best and brightest reporters we have, and they bring the facts to us. 

 

Local Accents.  OMG, that proves it!!!  They must be ukes.  Because Russian Spetnaz troops assigned to Ukraine would never be trained to speak like a local, with a local accent!   --- Actually, if they do not learn to speak the local language flawlessly, they are beaten until they do.  And until they do, they are not sent across the fcuking border!   

 

Just like the Spetnaz that will be sent to the US will speak American English flawlwssly.

Posted by: rd at April 22, 2014 09:03 AM (N7QgG)

493 Just like the Spetnaz that will be sent to the US will speak American English flawlwssly.

Posted by: rd at April 22, 2014 01:03 PM (N7QgG)


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Then we'll spot them by their lack of knowledge about baseball. Or the NBA. Or Kardashians. Or something.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 22, 2014 09:07 AM (QVC7W)

494

Be damned if I don't put in my two cents ...

 

Hard work MIGHT pay off in the end, but it doesn't have to. Hard can CAN, and often DOES, leave you with nothing but empty pockets.

 

However, when something seems too easy ... or too good to be true ... it is. But I'll be damned if I look at a task ahead and think "This will be so much more rewarding if I do it the hard way". That, my friends, is bat-shit fucking crazy.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 22, 2014 09:10 AM (LYcn2)

495 "471 No, I'm saying you just made Moo Moo's point. Moo-chicken's* point is that taking the easier path is *always preferable* to taking a harder path. That ever to take a path that seems harder now is to be a chump. I fail to see how pointing out that Henry Ford whatever else he was was someone who faced adversity to earn his wealth is "making his point." *-personal joke, but it fits here Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 22, 2014 12:54 PM (PYAXX)" Henry Ford was a man who lived by strongly held principals. He was vehemently opposed to intellectual property laws and patents. He spent years in court fighting a patent troll who claimed to own the rights to anything that had four wheels and an engine and demanded royalties. The litigation apparently cost more than the royalties would have cost but to Henry ford it was a matter or principal. Henry ford was also opposed to paying taxes so he used to fire all his accounting department so that nobody, including him, knew how much money he was making. Henry ford was a committed pacifist and he charted a ship to sail to Europe at the outbreak of WW I carrying a bunch of fellow pacifists that he hoped would persuade the European political leaders to back off before millions of people were killed and countries were destroyed. Henry Ford also had a strongly held belief that the Jews were responsible for all sorts of mischief such as starting WW I and he financed publications that expounded on those ideas. Just because you disagree with Henry Ford's strongly held beliefs does not mean that he did not have principals that he was willing to pay a price for.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 22, 2014 09:12 AM (PD6iL)

496 Then we'll spot them by their lack of knowledge about baseball. Or the NBA. Or Kardashians. Or something.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 22, 2014 01:07 PM (QVC7W)

If that's the criteria used, I am already a Russian spy and I just don't know it.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 22, 2014 09:19 AM (WtVhX)

497

264 It won't.  There are limits to what can be done.Most bright kids in good situations can approach their upper limits, but ghetto kids in shit-show schools are nowhere near those limits. It's easy to teach any kid the basics, which is what is needed in the ghettos

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2014 12:04 PM (QFxY5)***************************

I don't agree (with your assertion that blowing up public schools in the ghetto and elsewhere would benefit ghetto kids more and help close the gap).   

 

And neither does Charles Murray.  He has a good article on this in the latest "Claremont Review of Books" called "The Smart Set".

 

Public schools in upper class neighborhoods are completely ineffective in teaching their kids too.  Think "Common Core" etc.  Public schools regardless of neighborhood conduct business to 1) indoctrinate into leftist ideology and 2) make for a cushy life for the union members and union leadership.  Teaching not a priority.

 

Unless you blow up the public schools only in the ghetto and leave public schools in place elsewhere, there would be no gap-closing.

 

And that sounds kind of racist.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at April 22, 2014 09:20 AM (bbivj)

498 "It's amazing that self-anointed "leaders" of the civil rights movement in this country had actually twisted themselves to the point where they were arguing there was a constitutional mandate to discriminate based on race in college admissions. But we were."

What's this "we" shit, kemo sabe?

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 22, 2014 09:30 AM (XO6WW)

499 It's "for the children" after all. No, it's for the unions, their buddies in the political sphere, bad employees, then maybe the middling employees, the good and great employees, some administrators here or then, then, if there's enough time and money left, maybe the children. When they say it's for the children, it's never for the children.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at April 22, 2014 09:44 AM (1hM1d)

500 What's this "we" shit, kemo sabe? And that was my first thought, and I was about to post that when I tripped over the "for the children" thing and went a different direction.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at April 22, 2014 09:45 AM (1hM1d)

501 One Standard
Applied Equally
To Everyone

Posted by: Crazy Things "Racists" Say at April 22, 2014 09:48 AM (yhJhK)

502 >> "It's impossible," Spencer said in a recent interview, "to achieve diversity on a regular basis if race cannot be used as one of many factors." Does this nitwit realize what she just said?! Obviously not.

Posted by: dogfish at April 22, 2014 09:50 AM (nsOJa)

503 Ginsberg just disgusts me. Just I would never, ever vote for a guy who wants to "fundamentally tranform" our country, I could never, ever have a shred of respect for a sitting US Supreme Court justice who cannot distinguish between government provided goodies and outcomes and the inherent human right to be free from coercion.

Posted by: NYC Parent at April 22, 2014 11:33 AM (HEo6y)

504 University of Michigan President Mary Sue Coleman and admissions director Ted Spencer have decried the affirmative action ban, saying outright that the school cannot achieve a fully diverse student body with it in place. Maybe, just maybe, the voters of Michigan think there are one or two things more important for their tax-supported colleges to be doing than promoting "diversity" by any means necessary.

Posted by: Socratease at April 22, 2014 08:26 PM (2GbWn)

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