January 06, 2014
— Ace A Utah court declared -- surprise, surprise -- that gay marriage was now an enshrined right in the Constitution. Nobody's quite certain when this Secret Amendment was passed, but, given the fact the the US system of government is now based on White House statements made during press conferences, it was probably when the doltish Vice President declared that he was "absolutely comfortable" with same sex marriage.
So let it be decreed.
Now the Supreme Court has halted gay marriage in Utah, at least until an appellate court has rendered its own decision.
During the 17 days of the holding, many gay Utahns got married. (I read the number 900+ somewhere but I can't find it now.) Their actual status is now in doubt.
"Clearly, the stay should have been granted with the original District Court decision in order to have avoided the uncertainty created by this unprecedented change," Gov. Gary Herbert said.Now the state is trying to determine whether the marriages that have already taken place are still valid, Utah Attorney General Sean Reyes said. He said he didn't know when they'd make a determination, saying they don't want to rush an important legal decision.
"This is precisely the uncertainty we were hoping to avoid by requesting the stay," Reyes said. "It's unfortunate that many Utah citizens have been put into this legal limbo."
It was indeed arrogant for the courts to refuse a stay on such a major ruling, on the say-so of only a district court judge.
And how will the appellate court, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals based in Denver, rule? Well, they sort of already ruled -- three times.
Sotomayor is assigned to the 10th Circuit Court, which rejected UtahÂ’s request for a stay three times.
So that's where their heads are at: They refused to issue a stay, a delay in the execution of the ruling, three times.
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Posted by: JEM at January 06, 2014 02:30 PM (o+SC1)
I am tired of the waiting just declare us all gay like PIV Avenger lady has and we can all be randomly married.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 02:32 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 06, 2014 02:33 PM (FciyD)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 06, 2014 02:34 PM (P6QsQ)
It's right there beside the right to security and privacy of your abortion and not of your papers...
//Justice SCOAMF
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 02:35 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at January 06, 2014 02:35 PM (kxSZr)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2014 02:35 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: NCKate at January 06, 2014 06:34 PM (Auy5s)
mine was awesome, it was awesome minus a little bit when I found out the wife went $6k over budget
Posted by: Hans at January 06, 2014 02:36 PM (q+zA9)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 06, 2014 02:36 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at January 06, 2014 02:36 PM (E8IHS)
Posted by: Carol at January 06, 2014 02:37 PM (z4WKX)
That never went to law school.
And is a pony.
That understands only Swahili.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 06, 2014 02:37 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Garnet and Gold at January 06, 2014 02:37 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy Epiphany at January 06, 2014 02:37 PM (u8GsB)
You cannot escape the moonbat tide, you can only hope to be away from enough desnity it is pervaisve elsewhere.
I think the Utah court is laying the groundwork to find the same "damn it was there all along" justification for polygamy.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 02:37 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 06, 2014 02:37 PM (RLTt1)
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master — that's all.'
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. 'They've a temper, some of them — particularly verbs: they're the proudest — adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs — however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That's what I say!'
Posted by: huerfano at January 06, 2014 02:38 PM (bAGA/)
Posted by: Big Gay Al at January 06, 2014 02:38 PM (K5ZtB)
the paucity of choco chip cookies in my house is rape.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 02:38 PM (TE35l)
Utah is not sooper conservative.
They have drivers licenses for Illegals.
Open Carry is really discouraged/ might even be illegal.
No Concealed Carry in Churches.
3.2% beer
Posted by: Hans at January 06, 2014 02:39 PM (q+zA9)
Posted by: Big Gay Al at January 06, 2014 02:40 PM (K5ZtB)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 06, 2014 02:40 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: YIKES! at January 06, 2014 02:41 PM (mETGQ)
Posted by: Sheriff Joe at January 06, 2014 02:42 PM (K5ZtB)
Posted by: Soothsayer at January 06, 2014 02:43 PM (KrfRJ)
Posted by: Billy Idol at January 06, 2014 02:43 PM (FciyD)
Posted by: Lauren at January 06, 2014 02:43 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Deborah Solomon, art and history expert at January 06, 2014 02:43 PM (BF+2f)
Posted by: Just a Gigalo at January 06, 2014 02:44 PM (N3Al8)
8 It's amazing what I missed when I read the Constitution. Right there - homosexual marriage. How did I not see that?
And how did all those SC justices miss it all these years? I'm baffled is what I am.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 06, 2014 06:34 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Deborah Solomon, art and history expert at January 06, 2014 02:44 PM (BF+2f)
Because marriage is a civil right.
Or let me put it to you this way: Would you be fine with a restaurant that refused to serve blacks because they are the children of Cain, e.g. religious reasons?
Well, it doesn't matter what your opinion is on such a religious belief--the law is firmly in place that such belief, no matter how sincere, central and ingrained, cannot be allowed in practice.
We have, now, the government picking and choosing which religious beliefs are allowed and which are not.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 06, 2014 02:44 PM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Null at January 06, 2014 02:44 PM (xjpRj)
Yo sweetie! I may have been drunk but I was NOT that drunk...
http://youtu.be/fKWq-1reVGQ
Hancock Clip
//Hancock
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 02:46 PM (TE35l)
No No NO!
The right to be constantly worshipped and to receive special treatment for telling the world that we are GAY GAY GAY! is now an enshrined right in the Constitution.
Read it again!
Posted by: Pink Mafia [/i] [/b] at January 06, 2014 02:46 PM (5ikDv)
Federal District Judge Robert Shelby has been on the bench for two years. He was a registered Republican and was supported by both Orrin Hatch and Mike Lee. "It is an unlikely cacophony created by a man who quietly ascended through UtahÂ’s legal ranks, mostly avoiding media attention, law review articles and other totems of success in the legal profession." (NYT) A stealth candidate -- have we seen that before???
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at January 06, 2014 02:46 PM (HubSo)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 06, 2014 02:46 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 06, 2014 02:46 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: wiserbud at January 06, 2014 02:46 PM (NXg/k)
Posted by: garrett at January 06, 2014 02:46 PM (RzDX3)
If one judge in one court says the law is this or that or something else, and another judge in another court says no the law is something different, and then yet another judge in another court says something even different, or the supreme court says, no judge what said something you should rethink what you said.
The how the hell is some poor truck driver, or ditch digger supposed to know what the law is? Especially when it changes week to week, depending on which news source you follow?
Posted by: Paperback Writer at January 06, 2014 02:47 PM (Nn4Jn)
Posted by: Soothie at January 06, 2014 02:47 PM (KrfRJ)
Posted by: Imam Rastanrastanjohnny at January 06, 2014 02:47 PM (K5ZtB)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 02:48 PM (4QSOR)
Posted by: Carol at January 06, 2014 02:48 PM (z4WKX)
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You have kids?
Nieces, nephews?
Gonna be so "meh" when they force them to kiss someone of the same gender? You know, as a exercise in tearing down prejudice?
Like they've already done?
This isn't about marriage, it's about destroying traditional family bonds and values; it's about asserting the state above all--individual, family, and religion.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 06, 2014 02:48 PM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 06, 2014 02:49 PM (nzKvP)
35 "My guess is that it will be a situation where churches are forced to either perform the "marriages" or lose tax exempt status".
No. It will go far far past merely losing tax exempt status. (As a RC, I'd welcome the loss of tax exempt status -- time to cut the sheep from the goats...). But, it will be compulsory with massive fines. If that doesnt work, look for the Bishops to be hauled before PC courts.
Posted by: Havildar -- Major at January 06, 2014 02:49 PM (kduZC)
Posted by: Soothie at January 06, 2014 02:50 PM (KrfRJ)
Ok...I stand corrected I have to admit I am not reading about this issue anymore,
So this is still a fucking Federal level instead of a CA SC "fuck you" to the voters....
It'd be "ironic" if the Feds magic up the right to marry your toaster or your entire kitchen in Utah given how toxic the issue is to people.
"Stealth candidates" are the price we pay for not nailing Donk-Ass motherfucker for Bork from the start.
The left gets their overtly nutball judges and then we have to not nominate overtly precedentarily deferential judges AND get to play "spin the bottle" on the ones we do get to nominate...
the game is either rigged or being knowingly thrown but in closing FUCK JOHN MCCAIN
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 02:51 PM (TE35l)
Homo Hunters of America aka Trail Life USA just launched. The tradition lives on.
Posted by: Former Homo hunter at January 06, 2014 02:51 PM (N3Al8)
All you need to know is that you will always be breaking any number of laws and that you better acquiesce to whatever State authority is contemporaneously in power because prosecutorial discretion is now the bludgeon in a nation of men not laws.
Comrade.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 06, 2014 02:51 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 06, 2014 02:52 PM (bCEmE)
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Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 02:57 PM (o4Xc4)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2014 02:57 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2014 02:58 PM (xSegX)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at January 06, 2014 02:59 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Patrick Henry at January 06, 2014 02:59 PM (ysCLj)
Cold out.
Posted by: Mallfly at January 06, 2014 02:59 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 02:59 PM (o4Xc4)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2014 02:59 PM (xSegX)
"Judge rules Chicago gun law unconstitutional" (again)
Posted by: Paperback Writer at January 06, 2014 03:00 PM (Nn4Jn)
Salt Lake Trib had a dumb article today with people in sackcloth and ashes, bemoaning their marriage might not be legal anymore and that it hurts their feelings. Um, honey? That is not anyone's fault but the judges; for a ruling this big, a stay should have been issued alongside. But the judge wanted the big scene, the flurry of photos and the press, so he got it. You are merely pawns in this stupid game. Photos of the SLC mayor marrying the head of the Utah democratic party to his partner on the courthouse steps mattered more than how this would emotionally throw your fam in chaos. Go whine to the judge, he deserves it.
I am more concerned with some of the smaller counties at the moment, what their fate will be. Obvs the county with SLC started marrying people right away, but others shut their doors at first and either didn't issue licenses at all, or did not issue licenses to same sex couples, until they heard if the stay would be upheld. Lots of same sex couples on the news that night, at those courthouses, very sad pandas. They are going to sue the heck out of the counties, or the clerks there, if the higher courts rule to keep SSM legal, claiming hate. What a mess.
Oh, and they interviewed one person on the news who only wants SSM to be legal in Utah so that she can get a divorce. She went to Massachussetts to get married, then her relationship with that woman ended. Cannot get legally divorced in the state and will not move somewhere else where it can be legal. What a mess times two.
Posted by: Deborah Solomon, art and history expert at January 06, 2014 03:00 PM (BF+2f)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2014 03:01 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 06, 2014 03:01 PM (nzKvP)
I taught that class!
Posted by: professer obama at January 06, 2014 03:01 PM (2DunM)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2014 03:01 PM (MMC8r)
62 Lauren
You are right. OTH, it is much to my regret that there are as many RC's who are as ignorant of their sacramental life as the Homo's.
My wife has described me as a "Shi'ite" Catholic. There are many many orthodox RC's who are waiting patiently for further persecution. In fact, counting on it...
Posted by: Havildar -- Major at January 06, 2014 03:01 PM (kduZC)
Was it? I really don't know. I've known it only in its hyperpartisan iteration. In fact I take nothing I've ever read in the historically institutionalized media as true given the unadulterated bias and spin I've come to understand and appreciate from New Media.
History is written by the victors, right? Well, the Left had owned the media for generations. It won. In fact it barely had to skirmish.
I think you may be too kind to its heritage.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 06, 2014 03:02 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Gary Johnston at January 06, 2014 03:02 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 03:02 PM (o4Xc4)
No. It will go far far past merely losing tax exempt status. (As a RC, I'd welcome the loss of tax exempt status -- time to cut the sheep from the goats...). But, it will be compulsory with massive fines. If that doesnt work, look for the Bishops to be hauled before PC courts.
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They won't have to levy fines.
No church will be able to pay the property taxes.
What do you think the commercial property taxes would be on St. Patrick's Cathedral in NY? A mere stone's throw from Rockefeller Plaza?
There are, well sprinkled, among the Obaaama Regime, many far-left radicals who have considered this point.
There is, somewhere in the IRS, a memo, perhaps in draft, written by an irate leftist after the Prop 8 passed, that calculates what the Catholic and/or Mormon Church should be paying in income taxes.
I suspect there are some within this regime who have seen it. That may be added incentive for their out-and-out assault on the Catholic Church via Obaaamacare.
They are laying the foundations--they think--to build a public outcry to revoke the tax-exempt status.
That's the path they have chosen.
They have chosen badly.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 06, 2014 03:02 PM (VjL9S)
Posted by: blaster at January 06, 2014 03:02 PM (4+AaH)
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Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 06, 2014 03:04 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2014 03:05 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 03:05 PM (o4Xc4)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy Epiphany at January 06, 2014 03:05 PM (u8GsB)
I think it's the uniforms.
Posted by: zombie Ernst Röhm at January 06, 2014 03:06 PM (2DunM)
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Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2014 03:06 PM (UAMVq)
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Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 03:07 PM (o4Xc4)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy Epiphany at January 06, 2014 03:07 PM (u8GsB)
Posted by: Soothie at January 06, 2014 03:08 PM (KrfRJ)
Posted by: Lauren at January 06, 2014 03:09 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 03:09 PM (o4Xc4)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2014 03:09 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 06, 2014 03:09 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2014 03:09 PM (0FSuD)
Yes because the institution of marriage as guarantor of marital fidelity has not already been subverted culturally by Horrywood for oh 40 fucking years now...
just another excuse, just another brick in the wall.
It's not that heteros have done such a bang-up job with marriage it is that the thin nature of the justifications lobbed up in volleyball like fashion has the Olson twins envious.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 03:09 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 06, 2014 03:10 PM (FciyD)
>>>1. Oddly, Utah K-12 schools suck. Seriously. 2. Utah has a very small population. It's easily swayed by a few hundred thousand people moving in. Posted by: bonhomme at January 06, 2014 06:48 PM (4QSOR)
Teachers get trained in Utah because of low costs, then get the heck outta dodge and move to a state where they can get paid more. The teachers that remain are either amazing and truly there because they love teaching, or the dregs of the barrel, I have found.
Every year the bulk of our state money goes to education, every time, especially when there is a huge surplus. The teachers unions amass in force to ensure this. Most of my property tax goes to it. And yet K-12 still subpar, . We don't get lotto money and don't have the same kind of alcohol or cigarette tax money coming in as other states. If they would let us drill on our own lands, everyone would be happy to send some of that education's way, but feds say no dice. IDK how to fix it.
Posted by: LizLem at January 06, 2014 03:10 PM (BF+2f)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2014 03:10 PM (xSegX)
Yup...just like Bill Clinton playing Human Humidor with the help was okay but evidently the Ryans in Illinois playing blazing beds was bad enough Obama got Divorce records unsealed...
if we don't fight this we're stupid and weak.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 03:11 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 06, 2014 03:11 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 06, 2014 03:12 PM (lZBBB)
Now ruled by the Golden Rule: Find a judge(s) that agrees with your agenda and you are golden. The Constitution doesn't seem to factor anymore.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 06, 2014 03:12 PM (MaP11)
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 06, 2014 03:12 PM (XvHmy)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 06, 2014 03:12 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 06, 2014 03:12 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2014 03:13 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 06, 2014 03:13 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: rickl at January 06, 2014 03:13 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 06, 2014 03:13 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: Carol at January 06, 2014 03:14 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2014 03:14 PM (0FSuD)
Why not?
We may as well get the cards on the table...
1) the PotUS(if democrat) gets to do anything he wants
2) any law democrats want changed gets sued to liberal judges
3) SCotUS had final say on law, SUBJECT TO pissing off PotUS enough he calls them out and/or ignores said rulings anyway
"I see Johnnny Roberts has ruled let's see him enforce it"
4) hopefully American Conservatives regress back into marauding bands
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 03:14 PM (TE35l)
Having been watching the politics of illegal immigration for some time, it sure looks to me as though the LDS elders are looking at the flood tide of rapidly breeding illegals as being a rich vein of potential new converts. The church is nothing if not doctrinally philoprogenitive.
Hence, quiet positioning to make Mormonism appear unhostile to those illegals. And stuff like the Utah Compact.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 06, 2014 03:15 PM (gqT4g)
90 No church will be able to pay the property taxes.
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After every persecution, the Church and Faith are made stronger. We can go back to Mass in the catacombs anytime. During the Spanish Civil War baptism and confession were done secretly in public parks.
Posted by: Havildar -- Major at January 06, 2014 03:16 PM (kduZC)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2014 03:16 PM (xSegX)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 06, 2014 03:16 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 06, 2014 03:17 PM (0FSuD)
"When 'The Love That Dare Not Say Its Name' Became 'The Love That Won't Shut Up.'"
Effin' judges. Under the interpretation of the "living, breathing" US Constitution provided by these moderne and "with the times" asshats, it at times seems to stand now for everything but what it actually says.
Posted by: eureka! at January 06, 2014 03:18 PM (xiXna)
We're here to help!
//John Boehner
Okay Harry you hold the legs and I'll shoot normalcy in the head...
//Also John Boehner
not quite the help I was wanting GOP
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 03:18 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: major major major major at January 06, 2014 03:19 PM (Qi0/B)
A lot of the regional jets which now shoulder a lot of the airline workload are theoretically able to operate at very low temperatures, but the performance tables have not been officially published to incorporate those figures. So, no carrying passengers for regulatory/liability reasons.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 06, 2014 03:19 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Soothie at January 06, 2014 03:20 PM (KrfRJ)
Posted by: Pink Mafia [/i] [/b] at January 06, 2014 03:23 PM (5ikDv)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 06, 2014 03:23 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: DangerGirl at January 06, 2014 03:23 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 03:25 PM (vKNr/)
They decriminalized it, so bigamy is still illegal but cops cannot arrest a family practicing polygamy. I think ppl are interpreting this as some sort of nefarious way for the LDS church to reinstate polygamy as a tenant of the religion, which, NO. Trust me, as a member no one has plans to go back to that. What it DOES do is free the police across the state from feeling obligated to hunt down those families and prosecute them. Every time they do raids on the polygamist compounds, the press hounds them with photos of tear-stained children being ripped from their families by the cops. Freeing the counties from dealing with this issue and the bad press they get for it, no matter what they do, I think is the real reason, tbh.
The BIG problem is, decriminalize polygamy, you probably increase the number of women willing to enter this practice, then shamelessly plundering the welfare funds to support their "fatherless" children. Ughh.
Posted by: LizLem at January 06, 2014 03:26 PM (BF+2f)
Keep up the good fight , comrades!
Posted by: NAMBLA [/i] [/b] at January 06, 2014 03:26 PM (5ikDv)
Posted by: nip at January 06, 2014 03:27 PM (jI23+)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 06, 2014 03:27 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 03:28 PM (8ifMA)
Polygamists have their rights as well. We in the GLBT community support Polygamy.
You Go Girl!
Posted by: American Society of Animal Fuckers [/i] [/b] at January 06, 2014 03:29 PM (5ikDv)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 06, 2014 03:29 PM (FciyD)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 06, 2014 03:30 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: Lauren at January 06, 2014 03:30 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 03:30 PM (8ifMA)
Read the comments section here or any Conservative website. The hate directed at us in the GLBT community is pure hate.
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 03:31 PM (vKNr/)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 06, 2014 03:31 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 03:31 PM (8ifMA)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2014 03:32 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2014 03:33 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Gay and Dumb at January 06, 2014 03:33 PM (oFCZn)
Churches should not be forced to perform same sex marriage. However, florists and bakeries can't discriminate against members of the GLBT community. Just as they can't discriminate against interracial marriage. Conservatives opposed and still do not approve of marriage between races. You are always behind the times.
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 03:34 PM (vKNr/)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 06, 2014 03:34 PM (FciyD)
No. They just hate YOU.
Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 06, 2014 03:34 PM (5ikDv)
Finish the thought, you're almost there.
Posted by: zombie Gerhard Rossbach at January 06, 2014 03:35 PM (2DunM)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2014 03:35 PM (MMC8r)
I have listened to church leaders talk about this. On the one hand, churches are by their very nature borderless; the focus is on spreading the gospel, not caring where you have come from. With a missionary on every block in Utah, it is easier to preach to illegals here than to do it in their home countries, so making illegals feel safe to move here, from a gospel standpoint, is appealing. On the other hand, one of the Articles of Faith of the LDS states that members believe in being good citizens, "obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." Sheltering illegals goes against that tenant. How certain political leaders in the state that are LDS do not see the hypocrisy of changing laws for illegals, while refusing to do so for gays, I do not know.
Posted by: LizLem at January 06, 2014 03:35 PM (BF+2f)
Posted by: bonhomme at January 06, 2014 07:09 PM (o4Xc4)
And then in the next breath tell us how gay marriage means that straights need to rethink their obsession with monogamy.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 06, 2014 03:35 PM (lr3d7)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 06, 2014 03:36 PM (FciyD)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 06, 2014 03:37 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: Lauren at January 06, 2014 03:38 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 06, 2014 03:38 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2014 03:38 PM (MMC8r)
The GLBT community is winning and you are losing. Society backs our righteous cause against your evil hate.
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 03:38 PM (vKNr/)
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 06, 2014 03:38 PM (xm1A1)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 06, 2014 03:39 PM (FciyD)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 06, 2014 03:39 PM (P6QsQ)
The Civil Rights act of 1964 prevents business from discriminating. It's the law, these business can't discriminate against the GLBT community.
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 03:39 PM (vKNr/)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2014 03:40 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 06, 2014 03:40 PM (g4TxM)
There are a couple of problems though.
1. Oddly, Utah K-12 schools suck. Seriously.
2. Utah has a very small population. It's easily swayed by a few hundred thousand people moving in. Posted by: bonhomme
Or one leaving
The Catholic schools are good.Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2014 03:40 PM (4JkHl)
Yes now square this with the Bush and Romney families....
Mewissa Hawwis-Pewwy like Glee Gal here live in a dream world.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 03:41 PM (TE35l)
We are winning and you are losing. The days of the GLBT community living in fear of Conservatives are over. We have the upper hand now and will politically crush you. Revenge is a dish better served cold.
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 03:41 PM (vKNr/)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 03:41 PM (8ifMA)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 06, 2014 03:42 PM (JDIKC)
so you and the LGBTXYZABBA coalition will be joining me in attacking Hollywood's blacklisting of conservatives then yes?
No?
Really I am fucking shocked.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 03:42 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2014 03:42 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2014 03:43 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 06, 2014 03:43 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 03:44 PM (vKNr/)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2014 03:45 PM (MMC8r)
We are winning and you are losing. The days of the GLBT community living in fear of Conservatives are over. We have the upper hand now and will politically crush you. Revenge is a dish better served cold.
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 07:41 PM (vKNr/)
How tolerant of you. I promise you, if you swallow down that bile with a hate shake you will feel much better. It is served cold...and fabulous!
(Fun with socks, yay!)
Posted by: LizLem at January 06, 2014 03:45 PM (BF+2f)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 06, 2014 03:45 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2014 03:45 PM (4JkHl)
Nope, the GLBT community will help in the ostracizing of Conservatives. Decades of attacks will be avenged.
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 03:45 PM (vKNr/)
...and assless chaps.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 06, 2014 03:45 PM (xm1A1)
188 The Civil Rights act of 1964 prevents business from discriminating. It's the law, these business can't discriminate against the GLBT community.
Should a Roman Catholic Parish Hall be rented out to a Homo "wedding"?
How is that any different than the baker or photographer?
Posted by: Havildar -- Major at January 06, 2014 03:46 PM (kduZC)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 03:46 PM (8ifMA)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2014 03:46 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 03:47 PM (8ifMA)
Posted by: Lauren at January 06, 2014 03:47 PM (hFL/3)
You mean like when the Republicans push walls on top of gays?
Oh wait that's the Muzzies.
Posted by: Big Gay Khrushchev [/i] [/b] at January 06, 2014 03:47 PM (5ikDv)
@richgalen Did I miss all the Jeff Bezos jokes about his kidney stone like: "People who have had this also have had 'Gout, 'Acid Reflux' ..."
Posted by: Retread at January 06, 2014 03:48 PM (cHwk5)
What did Conservative think, that you would have the upper hand forever. Did it ever cross your mind that your political victims would one day strike back. You are weak and the GLBT community is strong.
This will not end with marriage equality, our goal is to make you Conservatives irrelevant and objects of ridicule as we were for many decades.
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 03:48 PM (vKNr/)
Alrighty then Buttercup...just a reminder.... not all of us are John Boehner.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 03:49 PM (TE35l)
So you don't really have a problem with injustice, you just think it's your turn now.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 06, 2014 03:49 PM (xm1A1)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2014 03:49 PM (MMC8r)
Disagreement is not hate. The real hate comes from the Left--against those disagreeing with their new world view of justice/nations/equality without borders.
Being gay does not confer the "rights" accorded those historically protected classes based on sex, religion, race and creed. The problems many have is these judges that make up the law as they go so as to conform to their ideological bent, bearing in mind that the educational system has groomed many to the left.
This is a Christian nation, founded on Christian principles. Included are self reliance and individuality. Those ideas are lost on the Left which thrives on Balkanization of the Melting Pot. You are exhibit A, accusing all conservatives of being hate-filled towards gays. I am not.
I am indifferent, in large part, but do believe that the institution of marriage is hurt when exceptions are made, whether for gays or multiple spouses or who knows what. Civil unions, no problem. Domestic partners, no problem. Accord them all the same benefits/burdens to boot. Why destroy the traditional institution itself? Kinda hateful, don't you think?
Posted by: eureka! at January 06, 2014 03:50 PM (xiXna)
At a nearby university, to use their alumni center for your reception you HAVE to use their on campus catering. It is a requirement to rent the space if you plan on food. I could see the churches maybe doing that for weddings. Want a wedding in our church or reception hall? Use one of the approved Christian caterers on this list we will provide for you, otherwise please find another location. If those caterers only cater to churches, not the gneral public, maybe they can skirt the law. IDK but it is an idea.
Posted by: LizLem at January 06, 2014 03:50 PM (BF+2f)
It sounds so much sweeter when lisped over a lemon/lime margarita....
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 03:50 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 07:45 PM (vKNr/)
Do you like movies about gladiators?
Posted by: Captain Oveur at January 06, 2014 03:50 PM (2DunM)
It's against the law to prevent mixed race marriages. Why do Conservative still have a bug in their ass about that?
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 03:50 PM (vKNr/)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 06, 2014 03:50 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2014 03:51 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 07:48 PM (vKNr/)
So what you are saying is resistance is futile. Got it.
Posted by: LizLem at January 06, 2014 03:52 PM (BF+2f)
You mean the fake attacks that various drama queens trumped up, or that Matthew Shepard thing where he was killed by other gays dudes.
Posted by: Jean at January 06, 2014 03:52 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 06, 2014 03:54 PM (g4TxM)
Everything else is just scenery.
Posted by: blaster at January 06, 2014 07:02 PM (4+AaH)
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^^this a thousand times.
First it was homosexuals in the military, which was a phony issue created by the Left, in the person of draft-dodging Clinton people who hated the military all their lives, saying to themselves, what is the worst possible thing we can make you do in order to demonstrate our power over you? And voila, it became a cause, but the backlash led to DADT, which the leftists were satisfied with until the Obama people had to solidify some support for 2012.
Now it's "marriage equality," which is a phony issue created by the Left, and their goal is to force churches to marry homosexuals to demonstrate their power over the churches.
This is all part of the bigger program to de-Christianize society, just like every Leftist revolution (er, "fundamental transformation") does.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at January 06, 2014 03:54 PM (HubSo)
Posted by: Lauren at January 06, 2014 03:54 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 06, 2014 03:54 PM (JDIKC)
Oh now this is going to be fun to watch...
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 06, 2014 03:55 PM (xm1A1)
I must have been REALLY drunk to ever lay hands on you...
like liquid heroin drunk
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 03:56 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Lauren at January 06, 2014 03:56 PM (hFL/3)
Revenge. Right. Gotcha. And your moral high ground has just evaporated. You do know that, don't you?
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 06, 2014 03:57 PM (xm1A1)
The old Gays are pedophiles canard. It must suck for you that society no longer believes that canard.
You are a loser and part of a movement that is losing.
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 03:57 PM (vKNr/)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 03:57 PM (8ifMA)
Just saw #220. Got the serious rage on, eh? Not happy with just teaching 3rd graders "fisting? Gonna shoot for "hole stretching" for kindergartners?
Chillax, Julie. The conservatives aren't the ones who "ridiculed" the 'mos. It was the Left, i.e., Hollywood, that did. Vent your hatred towards them you dumbshit. They are the ones that made your sexual preference a "joke", e.g., "that's so gay", 'don't be such a fag" etc. Countless lines and jokes--all from your new found GLBT supporters.
Posted by: eureka! at January 06, 2014 03:57 PM (xiXna)
I want revenge for decades of humiliation at hands of Conservatives.
This is the homo equivalent of the Borg "You Will Be Absorbed" arguement. They hate. They can't tell you why they hate. They just do....
Posted by: Havildar -- Major at January 06, 2014 03:58 PM (kduZC)
Yeah it's working out great in EUtopia ain't it?
They'll happily go back in the closet or the big Mo will kill them.....
If they go in the closet the Big Mo says that Thursdays are okay for getting your NAMBLA on during ManDay so they can feed their one eyed war python that way....
The problem with the Glee club is they want to demand society bake them a cake for showing up.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 03:58 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 06, 2014 03:58 PM (g4TxM)
The GLBT community has the upper hand as you once did. Enjoy now being ostracized by society and the object of insults.
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 03:59 PM (vKNr/)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 03:59 PM (8ifMA)
Posted by: Lauren at January 06, 2014 03:59 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 06, 2014 03:59 PM (xm1A1)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 06, 2014 03:59 PM (g4TxM)
Right by the TVs we don't watch, by "comics" that are as funny as crib death and your friend AIDS, and by a Government that we hope to subvert or if need be secede from...
You do understand you cannot force us to give three fucks about you yes?
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 04:00 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 04:00 PM (8ifMA)
I dunno we did just win another award, and I think they are feeling frisky because they know if this push fails they are pretty much fucked in November.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 04:01 PM (TE35l)
The left is on our side and has gone to bat for us. During our vulnerable years, they supported us against you. Now we are on the verge of permanently destroying Conservatism.
Victory will be sweet!
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 04:01 PM (vKNr/)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2014 04:02 PM (MMC8r)
What we have in store for the Muslims is nothing you have ever contemplated. Most Muslim Men are Homosexual as was the founder of their faith. We will do them in by exposing their true Homosexual nature.
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 04:03 PM (vKNr/)
along with capitalism, prosperity, working electrical grids, and the Constitution....on the plus side the lipstick goes great with your workboots.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 04:03 PM (TE35l)
You seem one of the few reasonable Conservatives. Are you a Libertarian by chance?
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 07:52 PM (vKNr/)
You must be new here. There are lots like me. More than your band of enraged activists. You probably think Tea Partiers are racist too, no?
So sad. The MFM, public school system and lefties in Hollywood have really worked a number on so many. Don't be so blind.
Posted by: eureka! at January 06, 2014 04:03 PM (xiXna)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 04:04 PM (8ifMA)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 04:05 PM (8ifMA)
The GLBT community is ascendant, while you are declining. Your time is over and you should just enjoy the nursing home. We will still be compassionate enough to make sure you get Social Security and Medicare.
Posted by: Gay and Proud at January 06, 2014 04:06 PM (vKNr/)
After the GLBT crush Conservatives, we will get even with the Muslims.
And then you achieve the lebensraum you need for ze Reichstag , blahblah
Very derivative , princess.
Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 06, 2014 04:09 PM (5ikDv)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 04:09 PM (8ifMA)
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 06, 2014 04:09 PM (xm1A1)
I'm 41 so you're either putting me in a nursing home way early, or you don't understand what 18 trillion in simple debt and 120 trillion in unfunded liabilities means there scooter.....
it means you guys being so worried about my caring that you suck dick or lick the kitty has empowered a graft slinging, collectivist, growth subverting cult to finish off the last sword and shield of western civ.....
I am not worried about social security or medicare, I am worried about bright and sunny days at 2 am within the next 20 years comrade...
Again YOU CANNOT make me care about your bedtime snack choices beyond..."damn shame you guys can't get over your groins"...
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 04:09 PM (TE35l)
Fixed.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 06, 2014 04:13 PM (xm1A1)
Simple. They get a federal district judge to declare that all the negative budget numbers are now positive numbers, duh.
Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 06, 2014 04:13 PM (5ikDv)
That said, I do think there are many genuine gay "couples" that love each other. I love my best friends dearly. Not for a union for life though. Nor to "feel good." Color me curious: why is the rate of gay "divorce" so high? Methinks because something is missing, something very, very basic.
Just saying.
Posted by: eureka! at January 06, 2014 04:14 PM (xiXna)
Correct it is like King Putt insisting it is unnaturally hot so we need to nutpunch coal...
and then God gifting him with a "polar vortex" trying to remind him "it's MY planet you just hang there"...
to quote the Hardly Boys
"Obama has a RAGING hubris...."
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 04:15 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: --- at January 06, 2014 04:16 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 06, 2014 04:21 PM (oFCZn)
I supported civil unions because I wanted gay friends of mine to be able to have the same rights with their significant others that I had WRT hospital visits, insurance, etc etc
"not good enough" because the Glee Gang wants to attack the Church....
Marriage is about the unification of lines to produce issue at its heart and the religious ceremony was a celebration of this because in ancient times the oversight of the ceremony and counseling was a matter of faith.
Elton John and his Little Mr. cannot produce a child without technology or someone outside their little union acting as surrogate even with a miracle from God's own hand short of granting Elton John his wish to be Marilyn Monroe for a year.
The wife and I have had to turn to technology, not all modern marriages provide issue, and I am not mocking surrogates I am pointing out that the two set of relationships are while similar an perhaps having innately the same rights at their heart different.
Glee Gang is gonna win this fight, and they are going to attack the churches because they are a fucking mob with no restraint or reason....
I know where and with whom I will stand.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 04:22 PM (TE35l)
Where winters the manbearpig?
He disappeared in the dead of winter: The brooks were frozen, the airports almost deserted, And snow disfigured the public statues; The mercury sank in the mouth of the dying day. What instruments we have agree The day of his death was a dark cold day. - See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15544#sthash.GXI38OVw.dpuf
He disappeared in the dead of winter: The brooks were frozen, the airports almost deserted, And snow disfigured the public statues; The mercury sank in the mouth of the dying day. What instruments we have agree The day of his death was a dark cold day. - See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15544#sthash.GXI38OVw.dpuf
He disappeared in the dead of winter: The brooks were frozen, the airports almost deserted, And snow disfigured the public statues; The mercury sank in the mouth of the dying day. What instruments we have agree The day of his death was a dark cold day. - See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15544#sthash.GXI38OVw.dpufHe disappeared in the dead of winter: The brooks were frozen, the airports almost deserted, And snow disfigured the public statues; The mercury sank in the mouth of the dying day. What instruments we have agree The day of his death was a dark cold day. - See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15544#sthash.GXI38OVw.dpuf
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