January 25, 2014
— Open Blogger In spite of submarine warfare causing the British and French great distress in World War I, it wasnÂ’t until 1915 that anyone came up with an effective means of attacking a submerged U-boat, the depth charge.
You’ve seen enough movies to have a basic grasp of what a depth charge is. A cylindrical container full of explosives rolled off the back of an escort ship that detonates when it reaches a preset depth, as determined by a hydrostatic firing device (know in the business as a “firing pistol” for some reason).
But simply rolling a few depth charges off the stern of a ship over the likely position of a submarine is very unlikely to yield any real effects on the target. Most depth charges weigh between 300 and 600 pounds. Roughly 1/2 to 2/3 that weight is explosive. And to be effective, a depth charge has to detonate within about 30 to 40 feet of the submarine. Given the extremely poor state of sensors in those days, coming that close would be more a matter of chance than tactics. Indeed, between 1915 and 1917, only 9 U-boats were sunk by depth charge. The linear pattern of depth charges meant a simple turn by the U-Boat could easily remove it from danger. The solution for the escort was to widen area covered by a single attack. Perhaps two ships could make parallel depth charge attacks? But there was seldom enough ships to allow this, nor were two ships likely close enough to be able to quickly coordinate an attack. Instead, the Y-Gun depth charge projector was invented.
The Y-Gun was basically a mortar with a single charge firing into two tubes arranged in a Y-shape. In each of the tubes was a piston that ended in a broad curved “lear” (leading to the pistons being know as arbors) that nestled a depth charge. Mounted on the centerline of a destroyer, when fired, a Y-Gun would send a depth charge about 40-50 yards to both port and starboard of the ship. Even such a modest increase in the square area of a depth charge pattern greatly increased the likelihood of a successful attack.
By the end of World War I, most destroyer types had at least one and and usually two Y-Guns aboard.
By the beginning of World War II, active sonar had improved to the point that, while not terribly effective as an area search weapon, it provided decent bearing and range information for an attacking escort. But ASW planners failed to understand the importance of determining the depth of a target sub. Some estimation could be made. The shape of the sonar beam and the way it angled through the water could provide a very rough trigonometric estimation of depth. The other serious improvement in technology was the rather simple idea of splitting a Y-Gun in half. The K-Gun fired one charge to one side. The advantage of this was that K-Guns could be mounted along the sides of an escort without displacing other weapons from centerline space. Even relatively small escorts could carry four, six, even as many as ten K-Guns. Combined with two chutes of depth charges, a pattern of charges could be laid on the suspected position of the target sub.
The uncertainty of the depth of the target meant that in addition to charges being delivered along the path of the attacking escort, and to the sides via the K-Guns, the attack had to be delivered at varying depths as well. Eventually the standard attack would evolve to be a “10 charge” attack. Essentially, two overlaying diamond shape patterns (with a fifth charge in the center) at two depths, above and below the suspected depth of the sub, to sandwich the target, or catch it as it attempted to turn away.
This double diamond attack was by far the most effective depth charge of the war. It had a whopping 5% success rate of sinking or seriously damaging its target.
One of the most serious shortcomings of the depth charge as an ASW weapon was that the attacking ship would lose contact with the target, depending on its depth, at a range of from 200 yards clear out to as much as 500 yards. Counting the time needed for the ship to travel that distance, and the further delay for the charges to sink, the target sub had significant time to maneuver to escape. And the explosion of the depth charges roiled the water, meaning
Later, weÂ’ll look to weapons and sensors that addressed these shortcomings.
Crossposted at my place.
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I think the depth charge mishap scene in The Enemy Below ("I was a watchmaker, Sir...") is one of the most touching things in a very emotional movie. Yes, I know the book is a lot more cold-blooded. But how dangerous were depth-bombs to handle? It always struck me that that was a lot of explosive to be tossing around like that. Maybe it was the ash-can shape.
ClickBOOM.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 25, 2014 10:36 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: The Submarine Hat at January 25, 2014 10:43 PM (AymDN)
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Posted by: Weirddave at January 25, 2014 11:19 PM (N/cFh)
Last big paragraph, there's a thought or two missing, either difficulty for the ship dropping the charges or increasing the difficulty verifying the position of the target in the likely event of its survival.
Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2014 11:19 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at January 25, 2014 11:21 PM (AymDN)
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Posted by: BignJames at January 26, 2014 03:07 AM
Type-7 U-boat... somewhere below 820 feet approx confirmed
Type-9 U-boat... somewhere below 1000 feet approx estimate
Type-21 U-boat... somewhere below 1500 to 2000 feet approx estimate
Posted by: otho at January 25, 2014 11:43 PM (9gNQd)
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Posted by: The Submersible Hat at January 26, 2014 12:09 AM (AymDN)
This was a throw ahead contact exploding device.
And also sonar guided torpedoes.
(yes Virginia, surface ships can have torpedoes too.)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 26, 2014 12:54 AM (LSDdO)
I was a Navy EW. Picked up an intermittent sub radar tailing us off the coast of Ecuador; Fire Control confirmed intermittent radar return consistent with a periscope. Time? About 0130. We set condition 2AS, rousted the STGs, and got things running. The STGC was pissed that he got awakened, told the CO "ain't shit out there" after about 20 minutes. CO orders secure from 2AS. On-watch FC and I continue to track the sub for the next 3 hours, tailing right behind at about 500-600 yards. My guess? A Chilean boat getting in some good training time.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 26, 2014 01:29 AM (CWquH)
Posted by: Lester at January 26, 2014 02:03 AM (2UPXV)
And, yes, let's talk about the hedgehog because it is way cooler than big oil drums full of TNT.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at January 26, 2014 03:05 AM (BcCwi)
5% means what? If you're chasing a sub, you make two, three runs dropping patterns each time. Maybe there are two ASW ships, corvettes, DE, DD. So if we have four patterns, we have a 20-% chance.
Meantime, the convoy is plodding on, the survivors, and the sub has to stay submerged, chewing through the battery charge, going 8 knots tops and that only for a short time due to power constraints. So the engagement is over. To catch up, the sub has to surface and run on diesel, at which time it becomes a poorly armed surface combatant subject to discovery by radar and eyeball. It could take a long dogleg, angling away from the convoy over the horizon, and then coming back in front of it, submerge and wait for the convoy to come close. Which is why zigzag. And if it's within air cover or the convoy and thus the next engagement runs out of the no-air black hole--the mid Atlantic black hole was maybe a thousand miles wide, air on each side--then running on the surface was chancy, and it may be forced down, even if not engaged, if an aircraft showed up, losing time.
Germans lost about 75% of their boats. Still, the numbers of ships lost, and the amount of material sunk with them is so huge as to be unbelievable.
See two fictional accounts... The Cruel Sea and H.M.S. Ulysses. Had a Coastie uncle in the North Atlantic and said they are both very realistic as to the combat issues.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey at January 26, 2014 03:07 AM (0EYmc)
Posted by: Pendejo Grande at January 26, 2014 03:09 AM (LwBq5)
Is it better to endure the daily grind, hour by hour,
or refrain from participation in the racing of rats.
For what is cheese, that we struggle mightily so to obtain
that momentary taste or smell of fungus and rotting milk solids.
Is it because it's 'free' government cheese. Do we struggle to get something for nothing? Is it still 'free' if we must organize and agitate, and agonize over words?
Yay tho I refuse to play the game, I am still captive to the rules.
Until I can break free of the rules, I am not free.
This morning is Sunday.
I will not plow today.
I am free.
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Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 26, 2014 04:26 AM (T2V/1)
One of the few things they haven't managed to wreck about Southern California yet. But just watch. They'll probably push some geo-engineering scheme that accelerates the onset of a new ice age.
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I, for one, look forward to our new late-Saturday-night ASW thread. Because, by that time, a fellow who isn't laying down a K-gun pattern of his own is probably chewing sea-fat in the Chief's Mess anyway. Summer whites notwithstanding.
Thanks, XBrad! Great post except you robbed me of a "firstest" I richly deserved.
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