May 06, 2014

Talking Points Memo: Monica Lewinsky, Vanity Fair Now Part of the Vast Rightwing Conspiracy
— Ace

Via Twitchy, a new idiocy is aborning:


Those darned Republicans. Such delusional fools, always conspiracy-theorizing.

Monica Lewinsky has broken her long silence. She says she's doing so to "take back [her] narrative" (reclaim her own past) and to fight internet bullying.


When Tyler Clementi, the 18-year-old Rutgers freshman who was secretly streamed via Webcam kissing another man, committed suicide in September 2010, Lewinsky writes, she was brought to tears, but her mother was especially distraught: “She was reliving 1998, when she wouldn’t let me out of her sight. She was replaying those weeks when she stayed by my bed, night after night, because I, too, was suicidal. The shame, the scorn, and the fear that had been thrown at her daughter left her afraid that I would take my own life—a fear that I would be literally humiliated to death.” Lewinsky clarifies that she has never actually attempted suicide, but had strong suicidal temptations several times during the investigations and during one or two periods after.

Lewinsky writes that following Clementi’s tragedy “my own suffering took on a different meaning. Perhaps by sharing my story, I reasoned, I might be able to help others in their darkest moments of humiliation. The question became: How do I find and give a purpose to my past?” She also says that, when news of her affair with Clinton broke in 1998, not only was she arguably the most humiliated person in the world, but, “thanks to the Drudge Report, I was also possibly the first person whose global humiliation was driven by the Internet.” Her current goal, she says, “is to get involved with efforts on behalf of victims of online humiliation and harassment and to start speaking on this topic in public forums.”

I suppose she's well-qualified for that, and it's not a bad thing.

I understand her upset at her "global humiliation," and certainly there's a very vicious human impulse to humiliate.

In her particular case, though, I'm not sure how exactly she would suggest we should have handled the revelations about the affair. It is not possible that she believes everyone should have studiously ignored the affair, as the media decided it would do before Drudge revealed the Michael Issikoff spiked story. Or does she?


She says of her "abuse:"

Maintaining that her affair with Clinton was one between two consenting adults, Lewinsky writes that it was the public humiliation she suffered in the wake of the scandal that permanently altered the direction of her life: “Sure, my boss took advantage of me, but I will always remain firm on this point: it was a consensual relationship. Any ‘abuse’ came in the aftermath, when I was made a scapegoat in order to protect his powerful position. . . . The Clinton administration, the special prosecutor’s minions, the political operatives on both sides of the aisle, and the media were able to brand me. And that brand stuck, in part because it was imbued with power.”

Certainly there was a great deal of mocking directed towards her, and almost certainly too much of it (inasmuch as people will readily mock others for embarrassing actions they themselves have committed).

But does she really think her affair with Clinton was strictly private, and the world should have silently agreed upon its private nature?

I don't know what else she'll say about it (Vanity Fair is only publishing excerpts at the moment; the full interview will be published May but it does seem to me, as it seemed to me then, that a great deal of the explicitness of the Starr Report was dictated by Clinton's bizarre defense to his serial perjury and finger-wagging lying to the public: By claiming that actions involving sexual organs had occurred which were not actually "sexual relations" or "sexual contact," Clinton himself forced the argument to take place on the distasteful, privacy-invading grounds of whether highly specific sexual acts constituted "sexual relations."

Clinton's bizarre defense not only contributed to Lewinsky's humiliation (and hypothetically his own humiliation, were he capable of shame), but also Ken Starr's humiliation (I'm sure he didn't want to detail the exact nature of the sexual contacts) and the American public's humiliation as well -- who the hell really wanted to get into all this crap?

But instead he lied, and he lied when he was obviously lying, and he lied when it was tactically stupid to lie, and truth would have served him better.

As Obama is currently doing in regards to the Benghazi massacre and IRS targeting scandal.

And then that forces people to demand the truth, and the Democrats then follow the Clinton playbook, by claiming that anyone who seeks the truth is doing so "obsessively."

Monica Lewinsky was a good soldier on Clinton's behalf throughout the scandal, protecting him until she was credibly threatened with a perjury/obstruction of justice charge for telling lies to protect him. Since then she has remained largely silent.

And throughout this, the right has generally been kinder to Lewinsky than the progressive/Democratic press. Not because we're angels, mind you, but because of politics: Our target was Bill Clinton, not Monica Lewinsky.

But she was a threat to Bill Clinton, so Monica Lewinsky did in fact become a target for the progressive/Democratic press. As did all of Bill Clinton's previous sexual conquests -- the press routinely referred to women who spoke about their affairs with Clinton as "bimbo eruptions," as if they were the ones solely at fault, and they were the ones solely worthy of mockery and scorn.

These damned Jezebel Bimbos taking advantage of this poor, defenseless governor and then president.

The feminist left likes to discuss power imbalances in relationships. And there's some truth to their basic idea: We don't let teachers have sex with their students (even their 18 year old former students) because we understand that while such a liaison might be "consensual," consent is not being offered from a position of rough equality. An affair might be "consensual" as in non-coerced, at yet still be a situation of someone with more power taking sexual advantage of someone with far less.

I can't think of a more obvious case of this (outside of a teacher-student affair) than Bill Clinton's taking advantage of Monica Lewinsky. He was her boss, he was a much older and much more experienced man, and he was the President of the United States.

It was pretty obvious at the time that Monica Lewinsky was in love with him (or at least was "in love" as young people think they're in love).

And it was also pretty obvious that Bill Clinton thought about as much for her as he did his other side-pieces. He thought she was disposable, and, when the evidence began to grow that an affair had taken place, used his nastiest smear-peddler (Syd Blumenthal) to put out word that Lewinsky was a stalker.

As Christopher Hitchens declared in an affidavit, contradicting Blumenthal's testimony that he had never put out such a smear:

"During lunch on March 19, 1998, in the presence of myself and Carol Blue, Mr. Blumenthal stated that, Monica Lewinsky had been a 'stalker' and that the President was 'the victim' of a predatory and unstable sexually demanding young woman. Referring to Ms. Lewinsky, Mr. Blumenthal used the word 'stalker' several times. Mr. Blumenthal advised us that this version of the facts was not generally understood."

Despite all these things, the feminist left has never taken Clinton to task for abusing this woman. Every single complaint they make about power-imbalances in sexual relationships is present -- including an extremely powerful man using his power to smear an inconvenient young 22 year old woman -- and yet Clinton not only gets nothing but Free Passes from the feminist left, but in fact open-ended promises of sexual favors. (Nina Burleigh infamously declared: "I would be happy to give him [Clinton] a blow job just to thank him for keeping abortion legal. I think American women should be lining up with their presidential kneepads on to show their gratitude for keeping the theocracy off our backs.")

Nor, of course, have they ever questioned Feminist Icon Hillary Clinton and her own role in this.

The excerpts from the Monica Lewinsky interview suggest she'll be "balanced" in assigning blame for her own "global humiliation."

She might find it useful to contemplate whether she should be so "balanced."

Posted by: Ace at 11:48 AM | Comments (446)
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1 Cigar?

Posted by: Monica Lewinski at May 06, 2014 11:50 AM (8ZskC)

2 Dude, this was like...well, a lot of years ago.

Posted by: Tommy Vietor at May 06, 2014 11:51 AM (eytER)

3 She had an affair with the president of the United States. Hell, she allowed the man to use her vag as an ashtray. Any humiliation she suffered was well deserved.

Posted by: Just a guy at May 06, 2014 11:52 AM (CGzAz)

4 Instead of always being the victim, Ms. Lewinski could have empowered herself by dropping paint eggs out of her cooch. Like me.

Posted by: Milo Moire at May 06, 2014 11:52 AM (8ZskC)

5 It's because we are wiser now, we need to accuse any man we can of sexual harassment and CIV.

Posted by: mallfly at May 06, 2014 11:52 AM (bJm7W)

6

Good piece.

 

She obviously is not without fault, but it seems her life has been sort of crap since then.

 

 He on the other hand remains a serial perv, but a hero of the left 

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 06, 2014 11:53 AM (nTgAI)

7 Remember, it was Hillary who ran point on the "Bimbo Eruptions". She knew they were true, and she still eagerly led the media strategy to destroy these women and call them trailer park trash -- all while she played the innocent, sympathetic, betrayed wife on TV. Hillary is hardcore evil.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 06, 2014 11:54 AM (ZPrif)

8 I'm disappointed in her.

XOX

Billy Clintoon

Posted by: Bruce at May 06, 2014 11:54 AM (Y/JJM)

9 3 She had an affair with the president of the United States. Hell, she allowed the man to use her vag as an ashtray.

Any humiliation she suffered was well deserved. Posted by: Just a guy

Humidor...  /just sayin'

Posted by: Gmac - Pondering ... something at May 06, 2014 11:54 AM (baiNQ)

10 If anyone, anywhere thought this was not going to come up and soon, please leave the planet. 

Posted by: Registered Voter at May 06, 2014 11:54 AM (AHX9J)

11 Why is feminism still taken seriously?

Posted by: cool arrow at May 06, 2014 11:54 AM (7XKHI)

12 Who would have thought that when Clinton told Lewinski that he wouldn't cum in her mouth, he actually meant it.

Posted by: jwest at May 06, 2014 11:54 AM (u2a4R)

13 >>>Any humiliation she suffered was well deserved. i really don't buy this at all, and find the kneejerk exultation of cruelty as some kind of proper tactic of moral vengeance to be animating an awful lot of the bad behavior we see in the world now.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 11:54 AM (/FnUH)

14 Lewinsky sure talks a lot about her suffering and victimhood.

Posted by: Citizen X at May 06, 2014 11:54 AM (7ObY1)

15 Feel for ya, honey

Posted by: Juanita Broaddrick at May 06, 2014 11:54 AM (3ZtZW)

16

Lewinsky's take is such a crock.

 

First, I'm pissed off that every public figure every now and again has to come clean about their"story," reinventing it or whatever, as if the arcs of their lives must follow a story arc. 

 

And there's a certain dissonance about Lewinsky too.  She seems sad/perturbed/whatever about her "history."  But she goes out of her way to say it was "consensual."  Can't have it both ways...either you're a victim (in which case your silence is baffling) or you were a willing participant (in which case you deserve the scorn you received).

 

My take...she's delusional.  And why now?  She needs money.

 

 

 

Posted by: @JohnTant at May 06, 2014 11:54 AM (eytER)

17 She committed adultery with a married man. She deserved to be humiliated. Period.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at May 06, 2014 11:55 AM (p4vr9)

18 Don't worry, she'll blame prudish Republicans. "Can't we all just give a hummer?"

Posted by: t-bird at May 06, 2014 11:55 AM (FcR7P)

19 We don't have to worry about Obama having an affair. Unless a bunch of underage mirrors start coming forward.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at May 06, 2014 11:55 AM (pgQxn)

20 Being cynical, this will end with her endorsing Hillary.

Posted by: Madamex at May 06, 2014 11:56 AM (XIchL)

21 If this happened in any private corporation, the CEO would have been fired. 

Posted by: rd at May 06, 2014 11:56 AM (N7QgG)

22 Lewinsky seems a bit hysterical to me, maybe it's hormones or something.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 06, 2014 11:56 AM (5UteM)

23

Everything Monica is saying is spot on!

Posted by: Paula Jones at May 06, 2014 11:56 AM (3ZtZW)

24

The Return of the VRWC.

Night of the Living VRWC.

The VRWC Strikes Back.

 

Sequels and reboots - it's all Hollywood knows these days.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Wash and Wax Your Wroth at the Outrage Outlet! at May 06, 2014 11:56 AM (hLRSq)

25 We don't have to worry about Obama having an affair.

***

Oh, honey....

Posted by: Reggie at May 06, 2014 11:56 AM (7XKHI)

26 Internet bullying is Teh Worst!

Posted by: Kathleen Willey at May 06, 2014 11:57 AM (3ZtZW)

27 TPM can go pound sand.

They really don't want to go there because the BS pushed by the press back then got shoved aside by facts and actual testimony under oath.

It really isn't that much of a reach to see the Boy President was the first serial rapist ever elected to the office of President.

"You better put some ice on that."

Posted by: Gmac - Pondering ... something at May 06, 2014 11:57 AM (baiNQ)

28 It was PIV Rape. Of him. By her. Just ask Hil-dog.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 06, 2014 11:57 AM (W7zKe)

29 She and he were both at fault - both are scum. They both deserved the humiliation and shame. I ain't crying for either - they're both dirt.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at May 06, 2014 11:57 AM (p4vr9)

30 Damn, Ace - you pulled out the thesaurus for this one!

Posted by: Fred Zeppelin at May 06, 2014 11:58 AM (zL/eJ)

31 Were Clinton a CEO instead of the president and everything else the same, the left would have called for him to be fired, potentially prosecuted, and the company to be sued.

How can the left then argue that the president, who is more powerful then any CEO, should be let off far more easily?

Posted by: 18-1 at May 06, 2014 11:58 AM (78TbK)

32 All the talk about Lewinski has really taken me back. I was a raging partisan Democrat back then, LOL! It took 9/11 to wake me the fuck up.

Posted by: Max Power at May 06, 2014 11:58 AM (q177U)

33 I'd hit it. Again.

Posted by: Teh Clenis at May 06, 2014 11:58 AM (5ikDv)

34 >>> Talking Points Memo: Monica Lewinsky, Vanity Fair Now Part of the Vast Rightwing Conspiracy You can't stop the signal...or raging horndogs in positions of power. The idea of Vanity Fair being rightwing is my big laugh of the day. Yes, media, by all means start eating each other! Just quickly let me make some popcorn before the carnage sets in...

Posted by: LizLem at May 06, 2014 11:58 AM (yRwC8)

35 "Maintaining that her affair with Clinton was one between two consenting adults, Lewinsky writes that it was the public humiliation she suffered in the wake of the scandal that permanently altered the direction of her life:" How about the public humiliation to the Nation have such utter fucking gutter trash running our country? How about that Monika? If people could have become aware of what an utter piece of scum is Bill Clinton, then perhaps much misery that has happened since, might have been avoided. Perhaps if Bob Dole had been President in 1996 instead of Asshole Bill, maybe 9/11 might have been avoided? No, the consequences of your actions and the deliberate attempts to cover them up had consequences for other people as well. Some of them were deadly consequences.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 11:59 AM (bb5+k)

36 It wasn't Drudge who humiliated her, it was Clinton and his team of fixers, including his wife. THEY are the ones who had spread the rumors far and wide that she was just a nutty slut. If only there had been no blue dress...

Posted by: Lizzy at May 06, 2014 11:59 AM (8zTpe)

37 The president of the   United States had sex with a teenaged   girl who was his    employee, in the oval office, while affairs of state were ignored.   His wife joined in the    perjury of denying it happened, and somehow this is a qualifier for further political ambitions?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 06, 2014 11:59 AM (AwYJ0)

38

The shit argument that always struck me as shit was Blumenthal's

 

"The smartest man in the world and President was seduced by a 20 year old intern"

 

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 06, 2014 11:59 AM (nTgAI)

39 Quick - Crystal Ball is trying to convince people that she actually knew what Animal Farm was all about on MSNBC. She's using every big word she ever learned to drive home the point she's not an idiot. I don't think it's working.

Posted by: jwest at May 06, 2014 11:59 AM (u2a4R)

40

I feel sorry for her.  She was thrown into a situation where no one gave a damn for HER.  Everyone had their own interests, and agendas.  As an intern, she was just a disposable commodity, like a used Kleenex.

 

And she was disposed of by the Democrats, republicans and the media like a used Kleenex. 

Posted by: rd at May 06, 2014 11:59 AM (N7QgG)

41 There's a theory in criminal justice, which seems true, that it's more important that a penalty be widely-applied and predictable than it be enormous and painful. For example, if you want to stop turnstile jumping, what you need to do is arrest a high percentage of those turnstile jumping. Creating some disproportionately huge penalty like "ten years in prison" isn't very helpful. It's how often you're penalized, not how painfully. In cases like Lewinsky's, even if you proceed from the assumption that any sexual deviancy or misbehavior should be "punished," surely one means a *proportionate* amount of punishment, and not a greatly disproportionate amount. Most people who either cheat or do dirty dirty kinky stuff are never "punished" at all, or, if they are, they receive a relatively minor punishment of social scorn among their peers for a short period of time. Obviously Lewinsky got more than that. I don't know how you can say that this particular kinky cheater "got what she deserved," as (I think) obviously we would not support the idea of global, 24/7 media embarrassment for *every* kinky cheater under the sun.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 11:59 AM (/FnUH)

42 Hey, babe.  Ever hear of  immorality?  It has consequences.

Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2014 12:00 PM (J2R4f)

43 PS...

Proud member in good standing of the VRWC during the Usenet sewer fights in ACECWW.

Posted by: Gmac - Pondering ... something at May 06, 2014 12:00 PM (baiNQ)

44 He on the other hand remains a serial perv, but a hero of the left Posted by: The Jackhole at May 06, 2014 03:53 PM (nTgAI) And that is why everyone who did not work to bring him down enabled his Assfuckery. They are also culpable for the Clinton legacy.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 12:00 PM (bb5+k)

45 The feminist left has never taken Clinton to task for abusing his wife, much less his female sexual liaisons.

At what point is doinking every female in sight- abuse, or at least bad taste? Did they all "have it coming"? Were they all sexual being lusting for Bill's schlong? Give me a break. The common factor is Mr Ass Grabber

A marriage in which their is no fidelity, honor, honesty or restraint produces a presidential impeachment. Whoa- who saw that coming?

Yet the "right" is launching a war on women when their chief spokeman is grabbing every pair of cheeks in sight.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 06, 2014 12:01 PM (GGCsk)

46 The president of the United States had sex with a teenaged girl who was his employee, in the oval office, while affairs of state were ignored. His wife joined in the perjury of denying it happened, and somehow this is a qualifier for further political ambitions?

***

But they care about THE CHILDREN!!1!!1!11!!!!!11!!!!11!!!1!11!!!!

Posted by: cool arrow at May 06, 2014 12:01 PM (7XKHI)

47 She was thrown into a situation where no one gave a damn for HER -- Nobody threw her into any situation. Pretty sure she got down on her knees by herself.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 06, 2014 12:01 PM (ZPrif)

48 Hillary is hardcore evil. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 06, 2014 03:54 PM (ZPrif) You do know she's from Chicago too?

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 12:01 PM (bb5+k)

49 Despite all these things, the feminist left has never taken Clinton to task for abusing this woman. >>>That's because these so called feminist aren't really feminists. In fact they're quite the opposite. This griuuo is silent on the big issues (FGM and rape in the developing world and Middle East)and loquacious about the trivial, such that the rest of the population dismisses writ at large all legitimate feminist complaints.

Posted by: taylork at May 06, 2014 12:01 PM (9bPUR)

50 Special credit is also due to the feminists shrugging off Lewinsky, like NOW Patricia Ireland president who had only a few years had been howling about Anita Hill and the horror of sexual harassment.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 06, 2014 12:01 PM (8zTpe)

51 >>>If people could have become aware of what an utter piece of scum is Bill Clinton, then perhaps much misery that has happened since, might have been avoided. Perhaps if Bob Dole had been President in 1996 instead of Asshole Bill, maybe 9/11 might have been avoided? i really don't think people are gaming out future political ramifications when they're having an affair. I don't think Lewinsky was pondering the later-occurring Cole Bombing when having sex with Clinton in the Oval Office. I really just think you're assigning blame based on politics.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:01 PM (/FnUH)

52

The truth is that left-wing claims to be against "power imbalances" are crap.  They don't care about teachers diddling students especially if the student and teacher are the same sex.

 

The don't care about politicians or CEO screwing their staff as long as said politician or CEO spouts the right liberal talking-points.

 

Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 06, 2014 12:01 PM (tIvOy)

53

The idea of Vanity Fair being rightwing is my big laugh of the day. Yes, media, by all means start eating each other! Just quickly let me make some popcorn before the carnage sets in...

Posted by: LizLem at May 06, 2014 03:58 PM (yRwC

 

That tweet was a warning to Vanity Fair.  Get back in line, or you will be made a pariah.  Persist in this, and you will never be invited to any of the cool kids parties again.

Posted by: rd at May 06, 2014 12:02 PM (N7QgG)

54

>>>Most people who either cheat or do dirty dirty kinky stuff are never "punished" at all

 

WTF?

Posted by: Gimp at May 06, 2014 12:03 PM (3ZtZW)

55 Bill likes chubby women.

Posted by: Carol at May 06, 2014 12:03 PM (ihCPW)

56 "Did someone say assfuckery?"

Posted by: Billy Cliton at May 06, 2014 12:03 PM (W7zKe)

57 "Mommy, what's a blow job?"

Posted by: Asked the innocent 8-year-old [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 06, 2014 12:03 PM (0HooB)

58 How can the left then argue that the president, who is more powerful then any CEO, should be let off far more easily? Posted by: 18-1 at May 06, 2014 03:58 PM (78TbK) Because he's on their side and they don't really believe that stuff they say.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 12:03 PM (bb5+k)

59 >>>42 Hey, babe. Ever hear of immorality? It has consequences. i'm really not sure how many of us could well survive a full vetting of our sexual pasts.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:03 PM (/FnUH)

60 2 Dude, this was like...well, a lot of years ago.

****

Yeah, and Hillary was old then too.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at May 06, 2014 12:03 PM (z+4T3)

61 Because he's on their side and they don't really believe that stuff they say.

***

This can NOT be repeated often enough, especially the latter half.

Posted by: cool arrow at May 06, 2014 12:04 PM (7XKHI)

62 I'm almost positive that Clinton was the first rapist elected president.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 06, 2014 12:04 PM (AwYJ0)

63 >>i'm really not sure how many of us could well survive a full vetting of our sexual pasts.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:03 PM (/FnUH)

.

.

.Now why did you have to go and bring up that port visit in Thailand Ace?  Damn......

Posted by: Registered Voter at May 06, 2014 12:05 PM (AHX9J)

64 I think the affair was dumb, not for any moral reasons. From a morality point of view, it is bad enough. The real reason I thought the affair was a bad thing is because the POTUS could be blackmailed. For all we know, he was.

Posted by: navybrat at May 06, 2014 12:05 PM (JgC5a)

65 57 "Mommy, what's a blow job?" That the last time I voted for a Dem, him. My kids were 2nd and 3rd grade, and this sh*t was all over the news.

Posted by: Madamex at May 06, 2014 12:05 PM (MgQon)

66 i'm really not sure how many of us could well survive a full vetting of our sexual pasts. Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:03 PM (/FnUH) That would be none

Posted by: Velvet Ambition, the guy that will push that button at May 06, 2014 12:05 PM (R8hU8)

67 59: Maybe, maybe not. However, she was giving blow jobs to a married guy who happened to be the President of the United States. Neither is covered in glory. Of course, one was covered in spuge (sic).

Posted by: ejo at May 06, 2014 12:05 PM (GXvSO)

68 62 I'm almost positive that Clinton was the first rapist elected president. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 06, 2014 04:04 PM (AwYJ0) JFK beat him in the recent past. I'm sure that there were other incidents before that.

Posted by: jwest at May 06, 2014 12:05 PM (u2a4R)

69 If Krystal Ball knew what Animal Farm was about, she wouldn't be a Commie. As a teen, that book was pivotal in my own political education. By the time ol' Boxer got shipped off to the glue factory at the end, I knew I would hate communism with the fire of 1000 suns for the rest of my life.

Posted by: Citizen X at May 06, 2014 12:05 PM (7ObY1)

70 Dammitt! Caught again!

Posted by: Y-not at May 06, 2014 12:06 PM (zDsvJ)

71 >>>>i really don't buy this at all, and find the kneejerk exultation of cruelty as some kind of proper tactic of moral vengeance to be animating an awful lot of the bad behavior we see in the world now. First, she knew he was president, she knew he was married, and she knew who he was married to. Second, shame/humiliation is one of the tools of enforcement of the kind of morality that is needed to survive as a society. It's dwindling use and importance in modern society is playing no small part in that decline.

Posted by: Just a guy at May 06, 2014 12:06 PM (CGzAz)

72 I'm really not sure how many of us could well survive a full vetting of our sexual pasts. ---- Even those who could survive just that should have a little Christian compassion for someone who messed up.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at May 06, 2014 12:06 PM (o5unu)

73 i'm really not sure how many of us could well survive a full vetting of our sexual pasts.

*****

My browser history disqualifies me from ever running for office.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at May 06, 2014 12:06 PM (z+4T3)

74

i'm really not sure how many of us could well survive a full vetting of our sexual pasts.

 

--

 

It isn't the sexual past that is an issue, it is the various felonies - the assaults, the rapes, the perjuries, the hiring of people to engage in fraud to defame accusers, etc.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 06, 2014 12:06 PM (AwYJ0)

75 33 I'd hit it. Again.

Me too.

Hold on while I change out these Depends.

Posted by: Hellary at May 06, 2014 12:06 PM (5ikDv)

76 It still fits what I would define as immoral. Lots of people doing immoral things doesn't render the bad behavior moral.

Posted by: ejo at May 06, 2014 12:06 PM (GXvSO)

77


>>>i'm really not sure how many of us could well survive a full vetting of our sexual pasts.

 

If the Christians are right, we have that to look forward to.

Posted by: Bigby's Fisticuffs at May 06, 2014 12:06 PM (3ZtZW)

78 i'm really not sure how many of us could well survive a full vetting of our sexual pasts. >>>>*clears browser history* Actually, I would think a squeaky clean browser history may indicate a problem. If your kinks are relatively minor, such as lesbian pron, it's not worth hiding. Now, double anal midget pron, that's a different story...

Posted by: taylork at May 06, 2014 12:07 PM (9bPUR)

79 Huh? She didn't get what she *deserved* cause she did anything kinky. She only got what she *deserved* in the sense that she chose to fool around with possibly the most famous married man on the planet -- and now is saying everybody was mean for noticing. She chose ... poorly.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 06, 2014 12:07 PM (ZPrif)

80 I don't know how you can say that this particular kinky cheater "got what she deserved," as (I think) obviously we would not support the idea of global, 24/7 media embarrassment for *every* kinky cheater under the sun. Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 03:59 PM (/FnUH) Bit of a strawman there though ace. She didn't just have dalliances with Joe down the road. She had them with the most powerful man in the free world. Which should obviously put one in a position of peril from social scorn as it were. It was a risk, she took it, she reaped what was sown. Did she "deserve" it. Meh, I'll stand silent on that. Should she have expected it. Yes.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 06, 2014 12:07 PM (HDwDg)

81
I still don't know if Lewinsky understands that by virtue of B. Clinton's life experience he would have known she would come under intense scrutiny, something a 21 year old wouldn't have thought of even in a consensual setting.  And yet he was perfectly willing to put her in this sort of social harms way.


And as an aside, she did have sensuous lips.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 06, 2014 12:07 PM (hJauc)

82 Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton!

Thank you for giving me the experience of having my god daughter's, then 14 year old sister come up to me and ask "Ughh, what's a bl*wj*b?"

bastards...

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 06, 2014 12:07 PM (AC0lD)

83 I don't know how you can say that this particular kinky cheater "got what she deserved," as (I think) obviously we would not support the idea of global, 24/7 media embarrassment for *every* kinky cheater under the sun. Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 03:59 PM (/FnUH) Fucking with the President ought to be a special case. Everything done with a President ought to be a special case. It is not run of the mill, nor should it be treated like run of the mill. Power resides in that position, and it is the power to hurt and main, and in my opinion, Clinton did a lot of hurting and maiming. We are still suffering the consequences of that fool.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 12:07 PM (bb5+k)

84 If your kinks are relatively minor, such as lesbian pron, it's not worth hiding. Now, double anal midget pron, that's a different story... It's the double-anal midget lesbian prOn that's gonna be my undoing. I just know it.

Posted by: Citizen X at May 06, 2014 12:08 PM (7ObY1)

85 >>>It isn't the sexual past that is an issue, it is the various felonies - the assaults, the rapes, the perjuries, the hiring of people to engage in fraud to defame accusers, etc. I was speaking (as was the comment I was responding to) about whether "Monica Lewinsky deserved it." I'm not excusing Clinton at all.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:08 PM (/FnUH)

86

>>>I'm almost positive that Clinton was the first rapist elected president.

 

First we know of. I can easily imagine there's more.

Posted by: Bigby's Fisticuffs at May 06, 2014 12:08 PM (3ZtZW)

87 "Nina Burleigh infamously declared: 'I would be happy to give him [Clinton] a blow job just to thank him for keeping abortion legal.'"

And let's remind ourselves of what Nina Burleigh's job was at that time:

White House correspondent for _Time_ magazine.

There's your hard-hitting, fact-finding, watchdog press corps at work.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 06, 2014 12:08 PM (noWW6)

88 i'm really not sure how many of us could well survive a full vetting of our sexual pasts.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:03 PM (/FnUH)

 

 

-------------------------------------------

 

 

But yet, sometimes those skeletons  unexpectedly  jump out of the closet and play hell with our lives.  Just sayin'.

Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2014 12:08 PM (J2R4f)

89 Hillary Clinton: she couldn't satisfy her man back in the 90's.  How the hell is she going to satisfy an entire country.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at May 06, 2014 12:08 PM (z+4T3)

90 Sounds like she's disappointed in the world.

Posted by: teh Wind at May 06, 2014 12:08 PM (B3WUC)

91 Well, that Representative in IL raped a 6 year old and sent kiddie porn from his office computer and...crickets. I don't think the Libs really care about THE CHILDREN!!1!

Posted by: Lauren at May 06, 2014 12:08 PM (ejehg)

92 Posted by: Asked the innocent 8-year-old at May 06, 2014 04:03 PM (0HooB)

Ah, I wasn't alone...

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 06, 2014 12:09 PM (AC0lD)

93 Hillary is hardcore evil. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 06, 2014 03:54 PM (ZPrif) Pure, concentrated evil. How anyone this side of the Jonestown cult can even look at her, is beyond me.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at May 06, 2014 12:09 PM (l+90U)

94 >>>We are still suffering the consequences of that fool. but you're saying Monica Lewinsky should have considered the future political consequences of giving Bill Clinton a blowjob Who thinks like that?

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:09 PM (/FnUH)

95 One argument I remember being made quite a bit was how Bill had violated the trust Lewinsky's parents had placed in him by sending their daughter to Washington to serve as his intern. He totally took advantage of a starry eyed 18 year olde who, I assume, was awestruck by the president. And it probably wasn't the only time. I mean, who would come froward with additional trysts will Bill considering what happened to Lewinsky?

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 06, 2014 12:09 PM (5UteM)

96 It continues. The left always lied that the whole thing was about sex. It was about the sexual harassment of Paula Jones. Jones claimed that Clinton had harassed her and filed a lawsuit. Under rules insisted upon by the left, Clinton could not shield himself from inquiries into his personal life. If he had a pattern and practice of hitting up his subordinates in the workplace, it was relevant to Jones' suit, whether or not any of those other women felt harassed. Just the fact that he was engaging in that behavior helped Jones' case and Clinton was not entitled to his privacy in the other affairs.

Again, it is the left who come up with these intrusive rules that everyone has to follow, and then they refuse to live up to them themselves.

Lewinsky's public shame is the result of Clinton trying to bluff his way through the Jones suit not only with public lies, but also with perjury and obstruction of justice. Anything to cover up the truth of what happened between him and Paula Jones.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 06, 2014 12:09 PM (IN7k+)

97 Blog Blog Blog Who gives a rats ass and meanwhile back in the US we all get a little more fucked.

Posted by: 7 Days in May at May 06, 2014 12:10 PM (5V+Di)

98 it's not about Monica, or what she did or shouldn't have done


It's about the Clintons, and what they did:  Bill and his Biggus Dickus, and his Hyper-Bitch wife who went after Monica with sharp claws


Monica re-births the cliche 'in over her head'

Posted by: Abdullah Abdullah ( not your grandfather's Muhammad Islam ) at May 06, 2014 12:10 PM (8CdUx)

99 Clinton deserved impeachment. When America yawned at a powerful man screwing an intern and then committing perjury, it was over.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 06, 2014 12:10 PM (Hw3Gh)

100 It was a risk, she took it, she reaped what was sown. None of his other willing bimbos got it, though.

Posted by: HR at May 06, 2014 12:10 PM (/kI1Q)

101

She was thrown into a situation where no one gave a damn for HER

--

Nobody threw her into any situation. Pretty sure she got down on her knees by herself.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 06, 2014 04:01 PM (ZPrif)

 

 

She was a moderately attractive 20 year old.  Suddenly the most powerful man on earth is noticing her and "grooming" her for an affair. 

 

What was she thinking? 

He noticed me!

He cares about me!

He wants me!

Someone thinks I am Beautiful!!!

 

Bill should have kept his pants AND HIS LIPS ZIPPED.

His staff should have been telling Bill to act like an adult, not an adulterer. 

And they should have moved Monica as far away from Bill as possible. 

 

The staff were all probably happy "Good Ole Bill" was getting some.  It makes him easier to handle when he gets some!

Posted by: rd at May 06, 2014 12:10 PM (N7QgG)

102 >>>And as an aside, she did have sensuous lips. i always thought she was a lot cuter than people were willing to credit her as. There's always this thing that a woman has to be athletically thin to be hot.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:10 PM (/FnUH)

103
Oh and also, the feminist left acted towards "Clinton's Bimbos" the same way in which women are viewed under sharia law: its purely the woman's fault.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 06, 2014 12:10 PM (hJauc)

104 Ace, She committed adultery with a married man - who was the President of the United States. Thus, her "misstep" was unique and deserved special disgust. As did he. She deserves no special consideration. He deserves the same disgust. There is no reason to treat either of them lightly - they are both without sense, self-control, honor, or self-respect.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at May 06, 2014 12:10 PM (p4vr9)

105 but you're saying Monica Lewinsky should have considered the future political consequences of giving Bill Clinton a blowjob Who thinks like that? >>>Those girls who are trying to find an excuse not to sleep with me?

Posted by: taylork at May 06, 2014 12:10 PM (9bPUR)

106 i'm really not sure how many of us could well survive a full vetting of our sexual pasts.
Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:03 PM (/FnUH)


*hides velociraptor porn*

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at May 06, 2014 12:10 PM (5ikDv)

107 "Nina Burleigh infamously declared: 'I would be happy to give him
[Clinton] a blow job just to thank him for keeping abortion legal.'"

Abortion has been legal since 1973.  That means that Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and both Bushes "[kept] abortion legal."

Would she blow all of them too?

Posted by: cool arrow at May 06, 2014 12:11 PM (7XKHI)

108 Yes, Monica was an idiot.But it sure seems to have been an imbalance of blame. Monica was humiliated (having her surname used to describe bjs) and Bill, after stumbling through the last years of his presidency, has completely redeemed himself. And he still has lots of female friends while the MSM pretends that his marriage is alive and well.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 06, 2014 12:11 PM (8zTpe)

109 I'm the first gay president...

Posted by: President Choad-Load at May 06, 2014 12:11 PM (W7zKe)

110 OK, just started skimming the comments... Is there some thought that Monica came out badly from all this? Didn't she get a cushy job and a husband? Did I miss something? Is she flipping burgers at McDs and living in a refrigerator box? I still place more blame on Bill Clinton. I think what he did would get him fired from most good organizations. But I'm not terribly torn up about poor Monica.

Posted by: Y-not at May 06, 2014 12:11 PM (zDsvJ)

111

But instead he lied, and he lied when he was obviously lying, and he lied when it was tactically stupid to lie, and truth would have served him better.

As Obama is currently doing in regards to the Benghazi massacre and IRS targeting scandal.


Whoa there, the last two (tactically stupid and truth) do NOT apply to Benghazi or the IRS scandals.  Both were strategically and tactically necessary lying to cover treasonous and impeachable conduct.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at May 06, 2014 12:11 PM (DL2i+)

112 Lewinsky may have been    a star struck    teenager, but she had to know that engaging in sexual relations with the       man in the most famous job in the world might end up as public knowledge.    Gary Hart wasn't that long ago.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 06, 2014 12:11 PM (AwYJ0)

113 Who thinks like that? Old men, judging women who won't blow them.

Posted by: HR at May 06, 2014 12:12 PM (/kI1Q)

114 >>> left always lied that the whole thing was about sex. It was about the sexual harassment of Paula Jones. Jones claimed that Clinton had harassed her and filed a lawsuit. Under rules insisted upon by the left, Clinton could not shield himself from inquiries into his personal life. If he had a pattern and practice of hitting up his subordinates in the workplace, it was relevant to Jones' suit, whether or not any of those other women felt harassed. Just the fact that he was engaging in that behavior helped Jones' case and Clinton was not entitled to his privacy in the other affairs. this has always bothered me. My God, did the left go bananas about how unfair it was for an executive to be asked this type of question in a harassment suit. Did they ever say "Let's reform these rules"? Of course not. They support this kind of intrusive questioning; they just wanted Clinton to have special pass.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:12 PM (/FnUH)

115


>>>There's your hard-hitting, fact-finding, watchdog press corps at work.

 

From my understanding that  kind of sexual horse-trading is far more common than you'd think.

Posted by: Bigby's Fisticuffs at May 06, 2014 12:12 PM (3ZtZW)

116 Going back now, I remember that the saddest part of this whole episode was the reaction of Monica's father. Fully, 100% supportive of Slick Willie, even when the Dems were painting his daughter as a nutcase. It made me cringe. And yeah, it made me feel rather sorry for her.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 06, 2014 12:12 PM (dfYL9)

117 Gary Hart wasn't that long ago. It was when she was in third grade.

Posted by: HR at May 06, 2014 12:13 PM (/kI1Q)

118 The feminist left likes to discuss power imbalances in relationships. Fen's Law explains all.

Posted by: toby928© at May 06, 2014 12:13 PM (QupBk)

119 While I was dodging bullets in Tuzla this trollop was seducing my innocent husband.

Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at May 06, 2014 12:13 PM (8ZskC)

120 My browser history disqualifies me from ever running for office. Skeletons in my closet? It's made out of them.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 06, 2014 12:13 PM (0HooB)

121 >>>Is there some thought that Monica came out badly from all this? Didn't she get a cushy job and a husband? Did I miss something? Is she flipping burgers at McDs and living in a refrigerator box? I don't really know. She claims she hasn't gotten jobs because of "her history," but I guess everyone would claim that (I mean, everyone thinks that every unfavorable decision is "unfair"). But it can't be fun for a woman to be considered a global synonym for under-the-desk-blowjob.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:13 PM (/FnUH)

122 > There's always this thing that a woman has to be athletically thin to be hot. I've been losing weight, and I notice the more I lift weights the more Rubenesque the ladies are that catch my eye.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at May 06, 2014 12:14 PM (ZWvOb)

123 "Who thinks like that?" um, Normal women think like that. They consider their actions like adults and consider the ramifications of said actions. Adults are not led by their gonads - only adolescents and animals are. So who thinks like that? Adults. Who doesn't? Children and others without sense.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at May 06, 2014 12:14 PM (p4vr9)

124 I've always thought Monica was deserving of bit of sympathy.

Yes, she was an adult, but how could a healthy girl with self-esteem problems like her hope to stand up to a guy like Clinton who knew how to play on that?

The consensual comment really just read as empowerment mumbo-jumbo, so far as I can tell. Ultimately, her life was ruined and Hillary! was here in Philly a couple months ago fluffing up all Bill did for women.

Posted by: Chupacabras at May 06, 2014 12:14 PM (RQDhf)

125 Did they ever say "Let's reform these rules"? Of course not. They support this kind of intrusive questioning; they just wanted Clinton to have special pass. >>>that's because each of us are just eggs. We are to be broken if it helps create the gigantic liberal omelette. We're supposed to be glad that we've been sacrificed for the "greater good".

Posted by: taylork at May 06, 2014 12:14 PM (9bPUR)

126 Have these clowns ever read Vanity Fair?

Posted by: jakeman at May 06, 2014 12:15 PM (vH4YP)

127 >>>She committed adultery with a married man - who was the President of the United States. Thus, her "misstep" was unique and deserved special disgust. As did he. She deserves no special consideration. He deserves the same disgust. There is no reason to treat either of them lightly - they are both without sense, self-control, honor, or self-respect. ... meh. A lot of people have sex with a married person and they don't get this level of abuse for it.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:15 PM (/FnUH)

128 None of his other willing bimbos got it, though. Posted by: HR at May 06, 2014 04:10 PM (/kI1Q) Risk, not certainty. It would be arguable that Bill's other women merely got lucky they didn't become the story.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 06, 2014 12:15 PM (HDwDg)

129 Nina Burleigh infamously declared: "I would be happy to give him [Clinton] a blow job just to thank him for keeping abortion legal." Jeebuz..... So did both Bushes, Reagan, Ford and Nixon. You want I should have them line up at your fucking door? I do love how these are the first ones to call someone else trailer trash.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at May 06, 2014 12:15 PM (l+90U)

130

Clinton's bizarre defense not only contributed to Lewinsky's humiliation (and hypothetically his own humiliation, were he capable of shame), but also Ken Starr's humiliation (I'm sure he didn't want to detail the exact nature of the sexual contacts)

 

Not so sure about Starr.  Did you read the report?  He could have said "five acts of incomplete fellatio over the course of 18 months" and been factually accurate.  But he described each encounter with enough specific detail that my first thought was that someone would surely use it as a porn script.

 

I think Starr was needlessly prurient and very not humiliated.

 

The twist is that the acts were infrequent and incomplete.  Everyone has his own moral calculus, which when committing adultery (of which I have been guilty) can cut exceedingly fine.  Bill's line was that he would not cum.  Finally after 18 months Monica begged him to let her get him off.  He relented, and that's what ended up on the blue dress. 

 

And yes, I know this from having read the Starr report.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at May 06, 2014 12:15 PM (JtwS4)

131 Lewinsky, meh. Other than a young idiot with questionable decision-making skills, I don't care about her one whit. The real value in this is highlighting Hillary the Enabler in her husband's War on Women. If Monica hadn't held on to that blue dress, they'd all be still calling her a trailer-park whore/stalker/nut.

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 12:15 PM (MMC8r)

132 You know, I wouldn't bet against the idea that the Dems have trotted out this Lewinski article in an attempt to try to upscale Hilary's popularity. I remember being incredulous that during the impeachment of Clinton, his popularity rating was something in the 60% range. And Hilary looked like the ever dutiful wife and taking it for the USA team player. Who else thinks this a history redo trying to regenerate those warm and fuzzy's toward Hildebeast? That poor abused Sec. of State and Former Senator who lived through all this horror,stayed with Clinton and made that marriage work, raised her fabulous daughter(who now has a grandbaby on the way), who SHOULD have been president, but graciously stepped aside to allow the first black president to have his turn, etc. By golly, she even suffered a concussion as Sec. of State..she almost died for this country. Monica, your're being used again.

Posted by: Jen at May 06, 2014 12:16 PM (qcDPE)

133 If you commit a legal or moral offense with famous people, then it's gonna get a lot more press than otherwise. She wasn't a child. She was 22. She was an adult. She wasn't just random slut #3582 who blew her married boss after work at the crab shack. So, when she was caught, it wasn't just her co-workers, his wife, and a few dozen people who called her a slut or thought bad of her. If you do Bad Act X with Famous Person Z, you're gonna get a lot of negative publicity if you get caught. Every 22 year old knows the President counts as a Famous Person Z. It's not like she was picked out of the suburbs at random and punished for a sin 500k other people committed that calendar year. There's a hundred million married dudes who weren't President that she could have blown instead.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 06, 2014 12:16 PM (ZPrif)

134 Mimi Alpert may not have screamed when JFK started laying her down, but it was a rape just the same. And she was a virgin at the time.

Posted by: jwest at May 06, 2014 12:16 PM (u2a4R)

135 Have these clowns ever read Vanity Fair?

***

You seem to be under the misapprehension that leftists have any use for logic.

Posted by: cool arrow at May 06, 2014 12:16 PM (7XKHI)

136 She has bought into another dopey lie of liberalism, that everybody is a victim and needs a campaign or a law named after them to fix everything, and morality doesn't count.

The "internet" did not humiliate her. Clinton humiliated her, and she fell for it, naive as she was. The worst thing for her now is to open up this sad chapter of her life once more, and ask people to think of her as some wronged woman. She must have an incompetent mother.

Posted by: PJ at May 06, 2014 12:16 PM (ZWaLo)

137 Isn't it fascinating how the press has become ever-more tolerant of Democrat fuckups over the decades?

Clinton gets a pass on a blow-job.

Obama gets a pass on failure to uphold the Constitution, illegal gunwalking (leading to multiple deaths), and dereliction of duty to protect a U.S. Ambassador and staff (leading to more deths).

Absofuckinglutely fascinating.......

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 06, 2014 12:16 PM (wtvvX)

138 >>>Who thinks like that?" um, Normal women think like that. They consider their actions like adults and consider the ramifications of said actions. Adults are not led by their gonads - only adolescents and animals are. So who thinks like that? Adults. Who doesn't? Children and others without sense. ... please. Monica Lewinsky should have realized "I'm enabling Bill Clinton's soft response to terrorist attacks" while she's blowing him?

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:16 PM (/FnUH)

139 >>116 Going back now, I remember that the saddest part of this whole episode What I remember most clearly is having an older male department chairman quiz me on my approval level of Bill's escapades with his "underling" -- during a job interview. I didn't want the job at what I considered a second-rate institution (it was a practice interview in my mind) so I had no qualms about failing his test and letting him have it. My only regret is that I didn't go to HR and get his ass fired.

Posted by: Y-not at May 06, 2014 12:16 PM (zDsvJ)

140 AND BILL CLINTON'S CRIME WAS WITNESS TAMPERING AND TRYING TO FIX A COURT CASE.

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 12:17 PM (MMC8r)

141 It was a mistake for Sid Vicious to peddle that shit to Chris Hitchens, a leftist with actual by-God integrity. Not to say the only such leftist, ever

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 06, 2014 12:17 PM (9MuqI)

142 Just wish that bitch would have had that fucking blue dress drycleaned...

Posted by: Shrillary H. Pantsuit, The Cuckold "wife" at May 06, 2014 12:17 PM (eANiA)

143 The    disgust with     which the press discusses this story is far less about the sex, and far more about the obvious double standards that they live by.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 06, 2014 12:17 PM (AwYJ0)

144

>>>We are still suffering the consequences of that fool.


but you're saying Monica Lewinsky should have considered the future political consequences of giving Bill Clinton a blowjob

Who thinks like that?

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:09 PM (/FnUH)

 

 

Bill Clinton should have thought with his Brain, Not His Dick!

 

And his Self-absorbed, Corrupt Staff should have kept them apart if Bill was too stupid, for Bill's own good.  AND FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY (except they do not care about the imperialist US). 

Posted by: rd at May 06, 2014 12:17 PM (N7QgG)

145 But it can't be fun for a woman to be considered a global synonym for under-the-desk-blowjob. She does have a leg up on the competition whenever a fluffer position opens up in the pr0n industry.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 06, 2014 12:17 PM (8ZskC)

146 but you're saying Monica Lewinsky should have considered the future political consequences of giving Bill Clinton a blowjob

Who thinks like that?

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:09 PM (/FnUH)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

If all this happened on a balmy day in a pastuer of spring wildflowers, I'd agree with this.  But much  of the sex play happened in the Oval Office.  How could she not be aware of the political ramifications.

Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2014 12:17 PM (J2R4f)

147 Tough to take her seriously in VF while she strikes a spluge on me pose. At least it's a low contrast gown. Journo-list covered the left's failure to look at sexual harassment succinctly when one woman complained that she was getting really tired of covering up all the presidents sexual assaults. Look he was the president and we have to respect that. It is also the peoples house and that needs a bit of respect as well. All I am asking, and I don't want to dredge up the past, all I am asking is that upon Hil winning the democratic nomination Congress enacts legislation making it illegal to rub one out in the Oval Office sink. just sayin'

Posted by: Mac at May 06, 2014 12:17 PM (0J18b)

148 Wonder if her book is gonna discuss previously unknown details?

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 06, 2014 12:17 PM (W7zKe)

149 "Any ‘abuse’ came in the aftermath, when I was made a scapegoat in order to protect his powerful position."

Which is precisely why asymmetrical power relationships were defined, pre-Clinton, post-Clinton, and during-Clinton (except for Clinton) as "harassment," or "abuse," regardless whether they are consensual or not. And why CEOs get fired (or worse) for engaging in them.

It is also considered rape to have sex with someone sufficiently delusional to not understand the consequences of their actions - this case is borderline, in that regard.

Posted by: notropis at May 06, 2014 12:18 PM (bvlUm)

150 And the everlasting gift to American politics from this liaison? What the meaning of the word "is" is. Laughable. Current translation is the cowardly "plausible deniability".

Posted by: Justamom at May 06, 2014 12:19 PM (Sptt8)

151 Lewinsky knew that Clinton was a married man. She's a whore, a person of low morals. There's no getting around that particular point, however whorish and low-moralled Bill Clinton himself is. If she considered it humiliating to having this revealed, she might well have considered not being quite such a slut. In other words, I'm not terribly sympathetic to her complaint.

Posted by: toby928© at May 06, 2014 12:19 PM (QupBk)

152 127-and lots of people pay very high prices for the act, albeit not in the national press. Destroyed marriages and destroyed families occur on a pretty regular basis as a result of such affairs.

Posted by: ejo at May 06, 2014 12:19 PM (GXvSO)

153 i really don't think people are gaming out future political ramifications when they're having an affair. Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:01 PM (/FnUH) That does not absolve them of responsibility. In legal theory, if you go along with someone who commits a crime, you become an accomplice, even if it is they who pulled the trigger. Clinton was scum, and as far as i'm concerned, all involved should have helped expose him rather than help to cover it up. Same situation we have with Barack, and his pet AG. They are all complicit in the dirty doings.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 12:19 PM (bb5+k)

154 >>>If you commit a legal or moral offense with famous people, then it's gonna get a lot more press than otherwise. She wasn't a child. She was 22. She was an adult. I think a lot of people conflate "the consequences were somewhat foreseeable" with "she deserved this." When a 15 year old dives off a pier and breaks his spine and is paralyzed for life, certainly it's the case that the consequences were partly foreseeable. (I'm sure he didn't fully foresee it, or he wouldn't have dived, but he must have known this outcome was a possibility.) Does that kid now "deserve" a life in a wheelchair? There is such an ugly impulse to conflate these two things -- making an error with a foreseeable result and "deserving" every inch of misery that flows from that error. People just really get off on saying that other people deserve their miseries and torments.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:19 PM (/FnUH)

155 A lot of people have sex with a married person and they don't get this level of abuse for it. Which of them is capable of nuking a country? They often don't get "this level of abuse" because they were not yet caught. Get caught, get abuse. Otherwise, get a fucking divorce before you betray your partner.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at May 06, 2014 12:19 PM (p4vr9)

156 Clinton deserved impeachment. When America yawned at a powerful man screwing an intern and then committing perjury, it was over. Nope. It was over when Teddy *hic* Kennedy was able to continue his political career after the death of MJ Kopechne. Not to say that BJ Cliton didn't deserve to be impeached. He did. He did a lot of damage to the country, and paved the way for TFG.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 06, 2014 12:20 PM (0HooB)

157 And I guess saying her life was ruined could be overstating it a bit. Well, she did kind of get Winthorped, but didn't get the satisfaction of breaking her nemesis.

Posted by: Chupacabras at May 06, 2014 12:20 PM (F26eZ)

158 All you folks who have been perfectly moral from birth, raise your hands. And it isn't as if she hasn't tried to go on with her life or as if she's justifying her behavior. She's ashamed. And has been humiliated. *And deserves it.* So what? I pray that I don't get what I *deserve* and I pray that most who pray the same thing for themselves--outside of murderers, rapists and the like--don't either. And for all the comeuppance that BHO *deserves*, I even pray for him--a tough thing to do. So let's skip this "deserve" thing. A request.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 12:20 PM (36Rjy)

159 Let's get this crap out of the way now.

Posted by: President Cankles at May 06, 2014 12:20 PM (32Ze2)

160 Come to Butt-Head.

Posted by: Butt-Head at May 06, 2014 12:20 PM (un0yB)

161 At some point this is "Scarlett Letter." She should be afforded charity. That point probably came long ago. I believe Monica deserves a fair hearing. I hope she can have the things that bring life's joys. I wonder, though, if cleansing her wounds in the dreck of today's political cesspool is counter to those things.

Posted by: creepy thing in the barrel at May 06, 2014 12:21 PM (V/SnI)

162 Monica Lewinsky? I'd hit it. I'm sure the clenis cooties have washed off by now.

Posted by: eleven at May 06, 2014 12:21 PM (GXZgZ)

163 AND BILL CLINTON ONLY GOT SUED WHEN HE GOT CAUGHT IN THE TRAP THAT THE LEFT SET FOR CLARENCE THOMAS (and failed with). Sorry for 'shouting' but this issue quickly goes off the rails into 'SQUIRREL!' territory, exactly like the Left wants it.

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 12:21 PM (MMC8r)

164 you know, my recollection is that the House Republicans wanted to mainly impeach Clinton for taking illegal foreign campaign money in return for which the government lowered security standards for sales of hi tech stuff to China. The Dems hollered and the Repubs in the Senate supported them, because it needed to be BIPARTISAN. (hint hint, Mr Gowdy)

Posted by: mallfly at May 06, 2014 12:21 PM (bJm7W)

165 i'm really not sure how many of us could well survive a full vetting of our sexual pasts. Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:03 PM (/FnUH) Fallacy. That's just a variation of the tu quoque argument. That other people do bad things does not excuse this particular bad thing.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 12:21 PM (bb5+k)

166 She forgot that her ass was dragged into it because of Clinton's proclivity for non consensual sex. She may have consented but a number of other women did not.

Posted by: Pug Justice at May 06, 2014 12:21 PM (3U9Bd)

167

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 06, 2014 04:17 PM (8ZskC)

 

A Fluffer?  Dude, she is 40, FORTY, 4 ZERO!

 

There are naive, stupid and star-struck hot young things getting off the bus in Hollywood every day, just looking for a chance to break into "Show-Biz."

 

Just ask the pedophiles out there. 

Posted by: rd at May 06, 2014 12:21 PM (N7QgG)

168 Most people who either cheat or do dirty dirty kinky stuff are never "punished" at all, or, if they are, they receive a relatively minor punishment of social scorn among their peers for a short period of time. Obviously Lewinsky got more than that. I don't know how you can say that this particular kinky cheater "got what she deserved," as (I think) obviously we would not support the idea of global, 24/7 media embarrassment for *every* kinky cheater under the sun. Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 03:59 PM (/FnUH) This, too.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 12:21 PM (36Rjy)

169 No one but me considers the national security risk of having a sitting president banging the help? That was the very first thing that came to mind when I heard of it.

Posted by: navybrat at May 06, 2014 12:22 PM (JgC5a)

170 this ignores the elephant in the room... ouch, sorry about that. my point is that a lot of unnecessary references were made to her doughyness. That had to be hella hard on her, and I think the left was worse here, implying that she was not good enough for clinton so it could not have happened.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 06, 2014 12:22 PM (LWu6U)

171 >>>Which of them is capable of nuking a country? They often don't get "this level of abuse" because they were not yet caught. Get caught, get abuse. Otherwise, get a fucking divorce before you betray your partner. i continue talking about Monica and you continue talking about Monica and/or Bill Clinton, depending on where you are in the sentence.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:22 PM (/FnUH)

172 BTW -- Monica's re-emergence can't possibly help Hilldog.

Posted by: eleven at May 06, 2014 12:22 PM (GXZgZ)

173 "I, too, was suicidal. The shame, the scorn, and the fear that had been thrown at her daughter left her afraid that I would take my own life—a fear that I would be literally humiliated to death.”




She should put some ice on that.

Posted by: Clenis [/i] [/b] at May 06, 2014 12:22 PM (5ikDv)

174 69 If Krystal Ball knew what Animal Farm was about, she wouldn't be a Commie. Posted by: Citizen X at May 06, 2014 04:05 PM (7ObY1) Yup. That she does not comprehend the book is self evident from her attitude and commentary.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 12:22 PM (bb5+k)

175 Her infamy is due to who she blew. Fair's got nothing to do with it. If some chick outs herself as having blown Tom Brady the day before the Super Bowl -- she's gonna be famous. If you don't want to risk being publicly called a whore then not blowing globally famous married men is a good start.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 06, 2014 12:23 PM (ZPrif)

176 Well I was a major dumbass when I was 22. I still am, but at least recognize the fact. She screwed then got screwed. That's life, especially when you screw with Power. Kind of like getting banned here.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 06, 2014 12:23 PM (W7zKe)

177 "meh. A lot of people have sex with a married person and they don't get this level of abuse for it."

A lot of people aren't President of the United States. 

I'm sorry, but I DO expect the person holding that office to conduct himself (or herself) in an honorable fashion.  I know, it's a quaint idea, isn't it?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 06, 2014 12:23 PM (wtvvX)

178 The rapacious predator in all of this is Shrillary, the vengeful Gorgon. As much as she may have despised Billy Jeff for his innumerable peccadilloes, her actions to lead and direct the smear campaigns against the women of his trysts were beyond the pale and misogynistic.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 06, 2014 12:24 PM (HsTG8)

179 Bill Clinton is a piece of shit for cheating on his wife when he was PRESIDENT. What he did before he was President and after is his business, but during---THAT is our business.

Monica was and is a dope to think anything else but that she was being used.

Hillary Clinton has no morals or scruples and can't be trusted.

And all 3 can go fuck themselves

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 06, 2014 12:24 PM (ZIZkS)

180 You know what you are when you are 22 years old? An idiot. Anyone assigning equal blame between a 22 year olde and a 50 year olde is a 22 year olde in my book.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 06, 2014 12:24 PM (5UteM)

181 OK. Long story short: Monica Lewinsky KNEW BETTER than to fuck a married man, no matter. There's nothing special about Ms. Lewinsky that matters to anyone, except that Bill Clinton committed perjury while POTUS and under oath regarding his sexual relations with "that woman". So Clinton was impeached, and the GOP fell down, failing to PROSECUTE AND CONVICT. As if perjury is not bad. Because I Could. Everyone lies. Oaths? Words, just words. GOP assholes, taking Remnick's advice, playing "nice" and corruptly generous with Marxists, taking turns over-extending privilege and abusing powers, dissolving Constitutional Governance. Monica Lewinsky? Fuck.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 06, 2014 12:24 PM (gmrH5)

182 True story: Back during the Clinton-Bush campaign, during the "Bimbo eruptions," the former SPY magazine did an article dragging up the long-discredited story on George H.W. Bush's alleged affair with a staffer. This was after the editor met with Billy Jeff and Billy Jeff begged the editor to help him run interference for him. Throne-sniffing presstitutes didn't begin with the Obama era.

Posted by: Citizen X at May 06, 2014 12:24 PM (7ObY1)

183 >>> Fallacy. That's just a variation of the tu quoque argument. That other people do bad things does not excuse this particular bad thing. ... Laugh. No, what it is is a suggestion that you ought not to be an outrageous moral hypocrite and apply a vindictively-severe standard to others that you would never, ever countenance if applied to yourself. People love Different Rules for Different People. Conservatives need to be aware that this basic impulse for childish double-standards is a human trait, not just a progressive one.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:24 PM (/FnUH)

184 *does interpretative dance of raging profanity* This is an issue because, and only because, Hillary Clinton is running for President. If the Clintons would STFD and STFU, I would be only too happy to never ever ever discuss any of this ever again. I know people who believe, with their whole hearts, that Monica Lewinsky was a honey pot sent by the VWRC to get Bill Clinton to do this and that, hand to God, Bill Clinton was sexually assaulted by Monica Lewinsky. It's insane. It is beyond insane. By the insanity of cthulhu, I do not comprehend the cognitive dissonance needed to think like that. We are where we are today because not a single person in the Democrat leadership had the basic human decency to go to the White House and tell Clinton that he had to resign. The Democrats put party loyalty before country. The Democrats put power before patriotism. And now here we are. I despair, I despair.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at May 06, 2014 12:24 PM (mf5HN)

185 I remember being incredulous that during the impeachment of Clinton, his popularity rating was something in the 60% range. And Hilary looked like the ever dutiful wife and taking it for the USA team player. I did rather get a chuckle or two out of seeing Hillary! Standing By Her Man - especially after she went out of her way during that first campaign to tell everyone that she wasn't some bimbo in that hick Tammy Wynette's world.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth (@Teresa_Koch) at May 06, 2014 12:25 PM (PZ6/M)

186 The feminist left likes to discuss power imbalances in relationships... >>>A contradiction in terms. You can't be a leftist and an actual feminist. We need to stop letting these people label themselves to their benefit.

Posted by: taylork at May 06, 2014 12:25 PM (9bPUR)

187 OK, checking her Wiki entry, I'm not too terribly broken up about Monica's fate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Lewinsky#Subsequent_life I still think that in a normal employment situation, he'd be in deep doo-doo, not for the "affair" per se, but for conducting with a subordinate in the office. I don't know what path she envisioned for herself, but based on her education, it doesn't look like she was preparing herself for some high-powered career in the diplomatic corps. The opportunities she's gotten have been b/c of family connections and the BJ notoriety.

Posted by: Y-not at May 06, 2014 12:25 PM (zDsvJ)

188 This is a very good post, Ace. I'm a little surprised that Monica is not understanding that although the "sex" was consensual, she had zero power in this relationship. And had Hillary decided to REALLY go after her, she would have been torn to shreds.

Posted by: Seems legit at May 06, 2014 12:25 PM (A98Xu)

189 >>>I'm sorry, but I DO expect the person holding that office to conduct himself (or herself) in an honorable fashion. I know, it's a quaint idea, isn't it? again, I keep talking about Monica and other people keep talking about Monica and/or CLINTON, depending on where they are in the sentence.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:25 PM (/FnUH)

190 felt sorry for the wife. She was the real victim

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at May 06, 2014 12:26 PM (LWu6U)

191 Deserve's got nothing to do with it. I'm sure if some chick gets caught smoking pot with Justin Bieber she'll get 1000x the publicity than average chick busted for smoking pot. But that's the risk you get. The fame is what attracts them. And it's the fame that carries the risk of having your dirty laundry for everybody to see and laugh at.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 06, 2014 12:26 PM (ZPrif)

192 114 >>> left always lied that the whole thing was about sex. It was about the sexual harassment of Paula Jones. Jones claimed that Clinton had harassed her and filed a lawsuit. Under rules insisted upon by the left, Clinton could not shield himself from inquiries into his personal life. If he had a pattern and practice of hitting up his subordinates in the workplace, it was relevant to Jones' suit, whether or not any of those other women felt harassed. Just the fact that he was engaging in that behavior helped Jones' case and Clinton was not entitled to his privacy in the other affairs.

this has always bothered me. My God, did the left go bananas about how unfair it was for an executive to be asked this type of question in a harassment suit.

Did they ever say "Let's reform these rules"? Of course not. They support this kind of intrusive questioning; they just wanted Clinton to have special pass.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:12 PM (/FnUH)

++++

It's worse than that. Prior to 1994, the rules did carve out a space for people's privacy. But, in 1994, federal Rule 412 was changed to limit that shield. And, as you may note, 1994 was midway through Clinton's first term.

You read that right: Clinton himself presided over the enactment of a change to the rules of evidence that he himself would later argue was unfair when it pried open his private life.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_412

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 06, 2014 12:26 PM (IN7k+)

193 I remember being incredulous that during the impeachment of Clinton, his popularity rating was something in the 60% range. You're welcome.

Posted by: The MSM at May 06, 2014 12:26 PM (MMC8r)

194 So let's skip this "deserve" thing. A request. Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 04:20 PM (36Rjy) "Deserve's" got nothin' to do with it.

Posted by: William Munny at May 06, 2014 12:26 PM (un0yB)

195 Monica Lewinsky should have realized "I'm enabling Bill Clinton's soft response to terrorist attacks" while she's blowing him? First it was simply "political considerations". Now it's suddenly this? You are moving the goalposts. The fact that he was President PRESUMES political fallout - but does not PRESUME this specific crap, Ace. You're moving the goalposts and arguing just to seem correct. Discussion is over, you are not being an honest broker. I expected more of you.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at May 06, 2014 12:27 PM (p4vr9)

196 Well said baldilocks. 

Posted by: jewells45 at May 06, 2014 12:27 PM (l/N7H)

197 Even a young girl    should know not to have sex with a married man,      especially a powerful famous one, and she picked the most famous one.   Her   humiliation is because she got caught, and the level of public knowledge of that is based on the fame of the person she was     in flagrante with.    Had she gone down on a county judge, her infamy would be more limited.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 06, 2014 12:27 PM (AwYJ0)

198 Just imagine if Bill were a male college student,and Monica were a young college student. The war on women crowd would be burning the house down,demanding their pound of flesh. But instead, we have women's libbers offering Bill knobbers in thanx for being there for them.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 06, 2014 12:27 PM (Na2P1)

199 Who else thinks this a history redo trying to regenerate those warm and fuzzy's toward Hildebeast? I do. Much like the Communists they seek to emulate, Leftards don't do anything without An Plan. The only thing ML reminds me of is yet another disastrous president that the rest of the country voted for twice. They sure know how to pick 'em.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 06, 2014 12:27 PM (0HooB)

200 @190: My bad then, ace.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 06, 2014 12:28 PM (wtvvX)

201 >>>Discussion is over, you are not being an honest broker. I expected more of you. eyeroll. fine by me. people make up a lot of high-minded-sounding reasons to justify their base desire to hate and humiliate

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:28 PM (/FnUH)

202 She didn't get a thrill from blowing the pizza boy. She got her thrill from blowing the President. The fall-out is proportional.

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 12:28 PM (MMC8r)

203 Monica Lewinsky should have realized "I'm enabling Bill Clinton's soft response to terrorist attacks" while she's blowing him?

No but Trent Lott should have.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at May 06, 2014 12:28 PM (DL2i+)

204 Kiss it.

Posted by: Horny Bill Clinton at May 06, 2014 12:29 PM (OZmbA)

205

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 04:20 PM (36Rjy)

 

^^^^^

This

 

Bill and his staff used Monica Lewinsky. 

 

And were very happy to destroy her when the affair was made public.  If it wasn't for the blue dress, she waould have gone down in history as a chubby, nutty intern that claimed an affair with the Noble, Caring, "I Feel Your Pain" Bill Clinton.

 

Posted by: rd at May 06, 2014 12:29 PM (N7QgG)

206 I'm sorry but if I was the president, I'd have the hottest porn chicks lined up, not chubby interns

Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 06, 2014 12:29 PM (vBUXG)

207 Anyone have that list of Psychopath traits handy? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Monica at May 06, 2014 12:29 PM (thLL8)

208 The war on women crowd would be burning the house down,demanding their pound of flesh. But instead, we have women's libbers offering Bill knobbers in thanx for being there for them. >>> I believe you mean female fellow travelers. I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but their track record is very anti-feminist.

Posted by: taylork at May 06, 2014 12:29 PM (9bPUR)

209 Like President Clinton, who presided over my wedding to my loving wife Huma, I was also victimized by a relentless stalker. Rosy pursued me for years, incessantly, danger close, sultry temptress that she is. I too was forced into a humiliating public acknowledgement. You talk about a power imbalance. Absurd. Rosy was in it for herself. My point is, I guess, that I'm Presidential material. I'll see you in '16.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at May 06, 2014 12:29 PM (O4ekl)

210 Eh, This can all pretty much be summed up by the words- "I was young and stupid." If she wanted to regain a slight amount of lost dignity, she should say some thing along the lines of- "I was young and stupid. But being young and stupid, doesn't excuse the outright slander and defamation heaped upon me by the Clintons. After all, the sex was consensual, Bill Clinton wanted it too. But he and Hillary ruined my life rather than acknowledge that." Then she should yell- "You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let's face it. It was you, Hillary."

Posted by: naturalfake at May 06, 2014 12:29 PM (0cMkb)

211 Well, the Monica/Bill/Saddam skit on SNL was pretty funny. Can we all agree on that?

Posted by: Chupacabras at May 06, 2014 12:29 PM (+hPIb)

212 Hey you! Yeah, you. Come in here!

Posted by: Horny Bill Clinton at May 06, 2014 12:30 PM (OZmbA)

213


>>>Kind of like getting banned here.

 

*thats* what you have to do to get banned? OMG

Posted by: Bigby's Fisticuffs at May 06, 2014 12:30 PM (3ZtZW)

214 incidentally, Inspector Cussword, the argument you butted into without apparently knowing the thing being argued about was D-Lamp's thesis that Monica Lewinsky deserves what she got because she should have realized, for example, that her failure to publicize the affair early and often would result in Bill Clinton defeating Bob Dole in 1996. I do not know anyone who thinks like that while they're having a sexual affair and I doubt D-Lamp thinks that way either.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:30 PM (/FnUH)

215 What can I say?  I just like cankles.  All ages.

Posted by: Horny Bill Clinton at May 06, 2014 12:31 PM (OZmbA)

216 Bill and his staff used Monica Lewinsky. And were very happy to destroy her when the affair was made public. If it wasn't for the blue dress, she waould have gone down in history as a chubby, nutty intern that claimed an affair with the Noble, Caring, "I Feel Your Pain" Bill Clinton. I believe that without the "Blue dress", Monica would have ended up in prison or an asylum. They were getting the machinery in motion for that.

Posted by: toby928© at May 06, 2014 12:31 PM (QupBk)

217 but you're saying Monica Lewinsky should have considered the future political consequences of giving Bill Clinton a blowjob Who thinks like that? Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:09 PM (/FnUH) No, you are attempting to put words in my mouth. I'm saying that had she done the right thing and exposed him as a bastard, many subsequent bad things might not have happened. Sure it's unreasonable to wargame out all the possible things that could go wrong when you have a sonnofabitch President, but one thing you can pretty well predict is that an immoral bastard is very likely going to do more and worse immoral stuff. It was a duty to the nation for everyone to spill the beans on what a piece of shit Bill Clinton was. If there was any political gaming involved, it was in his favor because they wanted him to push their agenda and they didn't care what a bastard he was. Not only did the nation deserve a better President, it deserved better Americans watching him than what we got.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 12:31 PM (bb5+k)

218 204

Heh.

Posted by: notropis at May 06, 2014 12:31 PM (bvlUm)

219 I also assume that if you're blowing the president that probably indicates you're a political supporter...

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:32 PM (/FnUH)

220 148 Tough to take her seriously in VF while she strikes a spluge on me pose. At least it's a low contrast gown. Posted by: Mac at May 06, 2014 04:17 PM (0J18b) I suppose a full burka would have been better. ::: rolls eyes ::::

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 12:32 PM (36Rjy)

221 This has nothing to do with double standards or fairness. This is about famous people and the people who want to be around them. If you want to be the wife/girlfriend/mistress of a famous, powerful dude ... then people are gonna talk about you, and many will say nasty things about you. Deserve's got nothing to do with it. It's just how the world works.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 06, 2014 12:32 PM (ZPrif)

222 >>>No, you are attempting to put words in my mouth. I'm saying that had she done the right thing and exposed him as a bastard, many subsequent bad things might not have happened. uh... I don't see how I've misrepresented your claim, apart from making the absurdity of it more transparent.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:32 PM (/FnUH)

223

What Alex said.

 

You got a sitting president, and you got an early twenties intern. The bulk of the responsibility for knowing better does not fall on the intern.

 

Is she blameless ... of course not. But she bears far less than half the blame.

 

 

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 06, 2014 12:32 PM (zVIsV)

224 Is there such a thing as a grudge-blowjob?


Also asking for a friend.

Posted by: Chupacabras at May 06, 2014 12:33 PM (F26eZ)

225 meh. A lot of people have sex with a married person and they don't get this level of abuse for it. Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:15 PM (/FnUH) Not many drag an entire country through an affair with the President. She tried to hide it as he did, because she thought he would leave Hilary for her..... Remember, Clinton wasn't being investigated initially for his affair, that ended up being a sideshow.Ken Starr had been appointed to investigate Whitewater and the "suicide" death of Vince Foster, White House counsel. Part of Starr's investigation included Paula Jones, and other bimbo eruptions. The President looked like a serial philanderer at least and at worst, a rapist(Juanita Broderick) There were so many scandal accusations being leveled at the Clinton administration, the country was in the same division as now, we had suffered numerous attacks including the initial World Trade center attack, and along comes a red lipstick dingdong who decides to do the President in the Oval office, which the very thought of was disgusting and demeaning to the office. Then lied about it repeatedly, until it looked like she was going to go to jail, and voila, Linda Tripp produces a semen stained blue dress(by the way, who keeps something like that?) Monica asked Tripp to lie in the deposition about her affair with Clinton. I'm supposed to have sympathy for her?

Posted by: Jen at May 06, 2014 12:33 PM (qcDPE)

226 215. You know what I'd think about during an affair? How long my wife would keep me alive while using the bleach and scalpel when she found out

Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 06, 2014 12:33 PM (vBUXG)

227 I'd also point out that the fall-out for Monica came because her existence jeopardized THEIR (then) GOD-FIGURE. That, in their mind, made her 'fair game.' Look at the way Hillary's attack-gnome Carville was talking back then.

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 12:33 PM (MMC8r)

228 I'm sorry but if I was the president, I'd have the hottest porn chicks lined up, not chubby interns Super Models from exotic lands.

Posted by: toby928© at May 06, 2014 12:33 PM (QupBk)

229 >>>Deserve's got nothing to do with it. It's just how the world works. this is a neat way to disclaim any reason for empathy. I don't know why we all feel so gung-ho to be hard-hearted, or to make up reasons why hard-heartedness is a good and righteous thing.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 12:33 PM (/FnUH)

230

Lewinsky was also probably afraid of having an "accident"

 

I would be surprised if she wasn't threatened with that

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 06, 2014 12:33 PM (nTgAI)

231 You know what you are when you are 22 years old? An idiot. -- Dr. Spank Boo hoo. As if age has anything to do with who is an idiot and who is not. Monica Lewinsky got what she wanted, and then some -- far more than she wanted -- from Americans who DO have opinions. So if Ms. Lewinsky didn't care, that's her business; and if she wanted a private life, SHE FUCKED THAT UP HERSELF. Admit it; she wanted her cake and to eat it, too. And got caught with his dick up her cunt because of her own choices. SHE (not we) must pay the piper for sleeping with that bloated red nosed flee ridden dog Willie Jeff. And yet WE are the ones suffering the consequences paying the heavy price for her "free" sex. So she drags out her sob story to rub our noses in her shit again?

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 06, 2014 12:33 PM (gmrH5)

232 If Lewinsky had come out against gay marriage, they'd have burned her at the stake. Instead, she fulfilled the fantasies of most of the liberal media. Problem is she got caught. And that's the only problem in their eyes. They'd both do it again in a heartbeat. Hildabeast is pushing this.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 06, 2014 12:33 PM (Y92Nd)

233 If it wasn't for that damn spitter, I would've gotten away with it.

Posted by: Slick Willie from Hope at May 06, 2014 12:34 PM (/djtm)

234 But was Bill Clinton disappointed in the World?

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at May 06, 2014 12:34 PM (9+ccr)

235 All you folks who have been perfectly moral from birth, raise your hands.

And it isn't as if she hasn't tried to go on with her life or as if she's justifying her behavior.

She's ashamed. And has been humiliated.

*And deserves it.* So what?

I pray that I don't get what I *deserve* and I pray that most who pray the same thing for themselves--outside of murderers, rapists and the like--don't either.

And for all the comeuppance that BHO *deserves*, I even pray for him--a tough thing to do.

So let's skip this "deserve" thing. A request.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 04:20 PM (36Rjy)

 

 

--------------------------------------------------

 

Sometimes  when  I say  "deserve" for other people, it's because I've had the experience of owning up to my own immoral actions.  And, yes, I deserved all the consequences of those actions.  Mostly because of the hurt I caused others.  And these consequences have nothing to do with whether I was thinking about them at the time of the act.  They're built in, so  to speak.  I think the word  "deserve" as used here means  "inevitable".

 

One way or another, we'll be paying a price for doing the wrong thing.

Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2014 12:35 PM (J2R4f)

236 Bill should have kept his pants AND HIS LIPS ZIPPED. His staff should have been telling Bill to act like an adult, not an adulterer. And they should have moved Monica as far away from Bill as possible. The staff were all probably happy "Good Ole Bill" was getting some. It makes him easier to handle when he gets some! Posted by: rd at May 06, 2014 04:10 PM (N7QgG) Just what I said. We should have expected that better quality people would be watching that philandering Bastard, but rather than protecting him, they should have realized this inherent character flaw might have serious consequences for the Nation. I see no upside to hiring a shitbird who can't keep his impulses under control. Unfortunately the members of the Whitehouse Staff were heavily invested in his success, and put their own interests ahead those of the nation.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 12:35 PM (bb5+k)

237 220 I also assume that if you're blowing the president that probably indicates you're a political supporter... Posted by: ace


Maybe in the 1950's.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 06, 2014 12:35 PM (5UteM)

238 170 No one but me considers the national security risk of having a sitting president banging the help? That was the very first thing that came to mind when I heard of it. Posted by: navybrat at May 06, 2014 04:22 PM (JgC5a) I thought the post was about Lewinsky.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 12:35 PM (36Rjy)

239 I'm suspicious that this is out to make Hillary more "likable."You know the long suffering Woman.... War against Womenz!

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at May 06, 2014 12:36 PM (9+ccr)

240 I have no regrets

Posted by: Billal Cliton at May 06, 2014 12:36 PM (nTgAI)

241 Well she was almost humiliated to death so.... I think that's a pretty severe punishment.

Posted by: eleven at May 06, 2014 12:36 PM (GXZgZ)

242 Was Monica relieved or horrified about the blue dress? Because I think this is true: "And were very happy to destroy her when the affair was made public. If it wasn't for the blue dress, she waould have gone down in history as a chubby, nutty intern that claimed an affair with the Noble, Caring, "I Feel Your Pain" Bill Clinton." Posted by: rd at May 06, 2014 04:29 PM (N7QgG)

Posted by: Seems legit at May 06, 2014 12:36 PM (A98Xu)

243 I hear Eisenhower was a bit of a freak.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 06, 2014 12:37 PM (5UteM)

244 Seeing Monica again just makes me wonder about the scores of Bill Clinton conquests that we never heard of, and of course the ones we have.

Posted by: Sphynx at May 06, 2014 12:38 PM (OZmbA)

245 "Then lied about it repeatedly, until it looked like she was going to go to jail, and voila, Linda Tripp produces a semen stained blue dress(by the way, who keeps something like that?) " How many 22yos -- even in today's well-off DC -- regularly send out dry cleaning, especially if it's a souvenir of fucking the POTUS? She prolly kept it for good luck, like a sports fan.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 06, 2014 12:38 PM (Y92Nd)

246 this is a neat way to disclaim any reason for empathy. I don't know why we all feel so gung-ho to be hard-hearted, or to make up reasons why hard-heartedness is a good and righteous thing. Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:33 PM (/FnUH) People talk as if she murdered someone. She did not. This happened a long time ago, she was young and paid a hard price for her foolishness. But some fuckers won't be happy until she is branded with the letter A on her forehead.

Posted by: Pug Justice at May 06, 2014 12:39 PM (3U9Bd)

247 How many 22yos -- even in today's well-off DC -- regularly send out dry cleaning, especially if it's a souvenir of fucking the POTUS? She prolly kept it for good luck, like a sports fan.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 06, 2014 04:38 PM (Y92Nd)

 

It may have saved her life

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 06, 2014 12:39 PM (nTgAI)

248 But it can't be fun for a woman to be considered a global synonym for under-the-desk-blowjob. Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:13 PM (/FnUH) Imagine how the Oswalds feel.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 12:39 PM (bb5+k)

249 Little Sally confided with me the other night she performed oral sex on the scruffy little 26 yo kid down the street. the one that lives in his mothers basement and wears those tight jeans. I see nothing wrong with what she did since Bill C said it was ok and Sally promised me he doesn't have an STD. Ok off the tat parlor for another new one and a piercing. C'ya.

Posted by: Typical Soccer Mom at May 06, 2014 12:39 PM (thLL8)

250 Cast the first stone ye of purity. She played stupid games and won stupid prizes. BTDT. Although I have never given a POTUS a knob job.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 06, 2014 12:39 PM (W7zKe)

251 My point is that there is NO reason an adult can expect to have zero or little repercussions with committing adultery with the POTUS. POTUS. Adultery. Add those two together and expecting to be treated with kid gloves, or like anyone else is foolish. It is wrong and presumes that betrayal is GOOD and corruption is GOOD and vileness should be OKAY. You, Ace, are ignoring that idea that Adultery is Bad. It is Bad, and you would understand this if you had to deal with it. It is horrific, painful, ugly, and has no redeeming qualities. Everyone who does so is guilty of great and everlasting harm to another person. They NEVER deserve sympathy - they are betrayers.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at May 06, 2014 12:39 PM (p4vr9)

252

Besides.  This was all Newt Gingrich's fault.  Remember, Bill and Monica started flirting over pizza during the first government shutdown. 

 

I can't believe the amount of slut-shaming going on here.  Or the notion that "she should have known" that the consequences would be greater because she was blowing (very infrequently) the most powerful man in the world. 

 

People who have affairs do not expect to be caught.  Many women have had sex with sitting presidents they were not married to.  Well, mostly one reclining president on a piece of plywood for his bad back, but I digress.  Stuff gets gossiped about is about the level of recrimination that's expected.

 

No presidential mistress had ever had to testify under oath about the specific acts and occasions upon which she handled the president's junk.  Ever.  It's not really our business.  For my money, if the president can think more clearly when he's had his pipes cleaned let him go for it.  People are very complicated beings.

 

Scorn should be heaped on Clinton for abusing her in the aftermath, yes, but scorn should not accrue so thoroughly to her.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at May 06, 2014 12:39 PM (JtwS4)

253 By the way I always thought Clinton was "eh!" Kind of creepy looking.... The only nice thing I can say about him is at least he seemed like a "man." Unlike the current occupant in the WH.

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at May 06, 2014 12:39 PM (9+ccr)

254 I think it's high time we had a musical interlude on the blog, a palate cleanser, if you will, from the sordidness of the topic..take it away Beyonce! All her clean wholesome girlpower music surely will set things right... "Driver, roll up the partition, please Driver, roll up the partition, please I don't need you seeing 'Yonce on her knees Took 45 minutes to get all dressed up We ain't even gonna make it to this club Now my mascara running, red lipstick smudged Oh he so horny, yeah he want to f*** He popped all my buttons, and he ripped my blouse He Monica Lewinsky-ed all on my gown" o_O ...my my, how girlpower has changed! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ12_E5R3qc&feature=kp

Posted by: LizLem at May 06, 2014 12:40 PM (yRwC8)

255 ESPN is running a story about some Oregon basketball players suspended dude to a rape investigation. Yet no charges have been or will be filed. These guys faces and names are on TV. It's not fair. It sucks. But it is reality. DA says he has "no doubt the incident occurred, but it's unprovable as a criminal case". So they get smeared and kicked out of school and ESPN calls them rapists and I'm sure many on social media will as well. Charges weren't even filed. Yet millions will see ESPN call them rapists.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 06, 2014 12:40 PM (ZPrif)

256 Debate question for 2016:  Mrs. Clinton, we know there had to have been a threesome. Who did you and Bill include in your threesomes?

Posted by: Sphynx at May 06, 2014 12:40 PM (OZmbA)

257 195 So let's skip this "deserve" thing. A request. Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 04:20 PM (36Rjy) "Deserve's" got nothin' to do with it. Posted by: William Munny at May 06, 2014 04:26 PM (un0yB) Tell it to those who brought up the topic of what ML deserves for her acts.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 12:40 PM (36Rjy)

258

Ace, the reason     that Lewinsky was humiliated so much is based on two things:

1.  Having sex with the most famous person in the world and getting caught.  This is partly her fault, and mostly his fault, but the level of humilation is based on the fame of the other party.

 

2.  Both the right, and especially the left, excoriated her.  The right as a mode of attack on him, and the left as a deflection of blame from him to her.  Conservatives saw his predilection for illicit sex as one more fault, and delighted in bringing up the story.  The left saw her    as an enemy, who was not only damaging politically, but showed the hypocrisy of so many democrat positions.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 06, 2014 12:40 PM (AwYJ0)

259 You know, I wouldn't bet against the idea that the Dems have trotted out this Lewinski article in an attempt to try to upscale Hilary's popularity.
Posted by: Jen at May 06, 2014 04:16 PM

*Points at the sidebar quote*  --->

"Lewinsky, 40, says it is time to stop 'tiptoeing around my past—*and other people’s futures.'"*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 06, 2014 12:40 PM (knoK7)

260 How many 22yos -- even in today's well-off DC -- regularly send out dry cleaning, especially if it's a souvenir of fucking the POTUS? She prolly kept it for good luck, like a sports fan. Tripp supposedly warned her to preserve it for her own protection.

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 12:40 PM (MMC8r)

261 249 But it can't be fun for a woman to be considered a global synonym for under-the-desk-blowjob. Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:13 PM (/FnUH) Yes, isn't something going on with that Beyonce song referring to a Monica or something. But it is referring to getting/giving a blow job.

Posted by: Seems legit at May 06, 2014 12:40 PM (A98Xu)

262 A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke.

Posted by: Rudyard Kipling at May 06, 2014 12:40 PM (yFb77)

263 baldilocks, very nice comment.

Posted by: willow at May 06, 2014 12:41 PM (nqBYe)

264 Personally, I kind of hope for the humiliation and bad ends for all my enemies. I'm not particularly proud of this but there it is.

Posted by: toby928© at May 06, 2014 12:41 PM (QupBk)

265 Sometimes when I say "deserve" for other people, it's because I've had the experience of owning up to my own immoral actions. And, yes, I deserved all the consequences of those actions. Mostly because of the hurt I caused others. And these consequences have nothing to do with whether I was thinking about them at the time of the act. They're built in, so to speak. I think the word "deserve" as used here means "inevitable". One way or another, we'll be paying a price for doing the wrong thing. Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2014 04:35 PM (J2R4f) Well, the price has already been paid.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 12:41 PM (36Rjy)

266 Bill's line was that he would not cum. Finally after 18 months Monica begged him to let her get him off. He relented, and that's what ended up on the blue dress. And yes, I know this from having read the Starr report. Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at May 06, 2014 04:15 PM (JtwS4) He probably had a prudent paranoia from much previous experience.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 12:41 PM (bb5+k)

267 this is a neat way to disclaim any reason for empathy. I don't know why we all feel so gung-ho to be hard-hearted, or to make up reasons why hard-heartedness is a good and righteous thing. - And this is just a neat way for you to enjoy being a scold. Nothing I said was hard-hearted. I was explaining reality.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 06, 2014 12:42 PM (ZPrif)

268 i would say shame is a precursor to owning up for your fall. shameless would be B Clinton and the feminists groupies.

Posted by: willow at May 06, 2014 12:42 PM (nqBYe)

269 "Then lied about it repeatedly, until it looked like she was going to go to jail, and voila, Linda Tripp produces a semen stained blue dress(by the way, who keeps something like that?) " How many 22yos -- even in today's well-off DC -- regularly send out dry cleaning, especially if it's a souvenir of fucking the POTUS? She prolly kept it for good luck, like a sports fan. Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 06, 2014 04:38 PM (Y92Nd) IIRC, and I'm doing this from memory so maybe not, didn't she tell Linda Tripp she had the dress and Linda Tripp told her you damn well better keep that to prove you aren't lying? That's where the honey trap theory originates with the oh she kept it who does that. Mickey Kaus had a very interesting Marxist interpretation of the Clintons' current actions that posits that Hillary is running for office and Chelsea is talking about running for office because that is their job. If they don't do that, the money goes away. I think that is damn well spot (pun intended) on.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at May 06, 2014 12:42 PM (mf5HN)

270

All I know is, after reading this thread, me and the missus are gonna' have a little heart to heart chat.

 

It's not like I got MY hand on the nuclear button. DoD ain't waitin' on my damned approval for anything. So what, exactly, is the friggin' problem here ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 06, 2014 12:42 PM (zVIsV)

271 http://youtu.be/zUtC5xcEfvg --Heh, judging by the Youtube handle, looks like the poster in an 'ette.

Posted by: logprof at May 06, 2014 12:42 PM (un0yB)

272 Just finished the piece, haven't  read the comments  yet... a much more  obvious  example of this, completely unlike an adult/child relationship,  would be the patient/therapist  relationship, where it is ABSOLUTELY  forbidden ethically for the therapist to bang his/her patient. 

Why?

Not because  it's illegal, but precisely  as with  Lewinski, the power differential is such that no matter how consensual  she thinks  it is, it's not.  

Posted by: BurtTC at May 06, 2014 12:42 PM (BeSEI)

273 Oh, thanks, LizLem, that's the song that again, tries to evoke a blow job and ejaculation. Whew, getting deep here.

Posted by: Seems legit at May 06, 2014 12:42 PM (A98Xu)

274 OK, I confess I'm not really following the various arguments and sub-arguments. I guess I'd just say that I think it is a lot more offensive for Liberals to close ranks behind Bill Clinton and attack Monica than it is for Conservatives, many of whom ARE actually pretty traditional in their morality, to mock her part in the whole, sordid episode. There are no heroes or victims here and many bad actors. But I'm not going to apologize for my private view that Ms Lewinsky showed much less judgment than I would have (or DID) at that age and that her parents must've done a pretty piss-poor job raising her if she didn't realize what she was doing was immoral and risky. (And I'm not going to apologize for having a sexual history that *could* stand up to scrutiny. I'm old-fashioned and I know it.) The media's treatment of this has been and will continue to be dishonest. They turn a blind eye to how Liberals defended Bill Clinton and, I guess, choose to claim that all bad thigns that have befallen Monica are b/c of Evil Conservatives. Whether some of us choose to take shots at her really isn't going to affect that.

Posted by: Y-not at May 06, 2014 12:42 PM (zDsvJ)

275 But it can't be fun for a woman to be considered a global synonym for an under-the-desk blowjob ---- Tell me about it.

Posted by: Prince Albert at May 06, 2014 12:43 PM (YkebF)

276 Related. Did you ever notice that the Ddemocrats resemble an organized crime family far more than a legitimate political party? "The U.S. Capitol Police are investigating threatening emails against Rep. Trey Gowdy, the South Carolina Republican recently tapped to lead a special panel probing the Benghazi terrorist attacks. The investigation follows emails sent to news outlets warning that Gowdy would be “assassinated.”

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 06, 2014 12:44 PM (Mogjf)

277 Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 04:20 PM (36Rjy) Oh, let he who is innocent cast the first stone? I give Jesus shit for not being a little more erudite here, because what He meant was "You assholes would hit it and shrug it off afterward." That's what we're seeing here, too. But let's put it in context. Lewinsky and Clinton both abused their positions. She absolutely deserved public scorn, because that was the risk she took by fucking the most publicly visible and powerful, not to mention married, person in the world. Can't take the heat? Get outtta the kitchen.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 06, 2014 12:44 PM (Y92Nd)

278 Monica Lewinsky should have realized "I'm enabling Bill Clinton's soft response to terrorist attacks" while she's blowing him? Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:16 PM (/FnUH) I'm enabling this utterly immoral man to remain in office instead of doing the right thing and informing the public just how utterly immoral he is. The soft on terror is just a consequence of the previous decision fork.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 12:44 PM (bb5+k)

279 At least she got women to stop wearing berets.

Posted by: Jean at May 06, 2014 12:44 PM (Aqvh6)

280 in the spirit of "I don't really endorse this but I sort of understand it" I think that it needs to also be considered that this was not just an intern with POTUS or just a 19yo with POTUS, this was a girl who wanted to be in politics, who believed in the process, who wanted to believe that liberalism as Clinton sold it worked, that he really was a super duper good guy, a wonderful man - by nature of the position he held

there are young girls attracted to older men, there are young girls attracted to powerful men, there are young girls attracted to rich men - I think you hit all those and the extra added effect of this was a girl attracted to politics as well, and there is no greater position than POTUS to exploit such a girl

ace would say it with more eloquence, but its not just a young girl and the potus, its a true believer young girl and the potus

Posted by: chelsea danger at May 06, 2014 12:45 PM (9OgGE)

281 267 Bill's line was that he would not cum. Finally after 18 months Monica begged him to let her get him off. He relented, and that's what ended up on the blue dress. And yes, I know this from having read the Starr report. Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at May 06, 2014 04:15 PM Hoo boy, Clinton is an idiot (about women).

Posted by: Seems legit at May 06, 2014 12:45 PM (A98Xu)

282

239  170 No one but me considers the national security risk of having a sitting president banging the help?

That was the very first thing that came to mind when I heard of it.
Posted by: navybrat at May 06, 2014 04:22 PM (JgC5a)

I thought the post was about Lewinsky.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 04:35 PM (36Rjy)

 

 

How about abuse of power and abuse of sub-ordinates?  ML was an intern.  If Bill wants to have a suck toy on staff, he should have hired a "personal assistant," like Donald Sterling. 

 

By the way, does anyone think Monica was the ONLY one? 

Posted by: rd at May 06, 2014 12:45 PM (N7QgG)

283 267 Bill's line was that he would not cum.

Well, it's good to know Bill Clinton had a line he wouldn't cross.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 06, 2014 12:45 PM (AC0lD)

284
I do know from my younger days some of the things I got 21 year olds to believe so I could do sex to them amaze even me to what they will believe.  I have no doubt he told her they would be together after his presidency.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 06, 2014 12:45 PM (hJauc)

285

>>>didn't she tell Linda Tripp she had the dress and Linda Tripp told her you damn well better keep that to prove you aren't lying?

 

Dress kept her alive, I'd say.

Posted by: Bigby's Fisticuffs at May 06, 2014 12:45 PM (3ZtZW)

286 IIRC, and I'm doing this from memory so maybe not, didn't she tell Linda Tripp she had the dress and Linda Tripp told her you damn well better keep that to prove you aren't lying? Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at May 06, 2014 04:42 PM (mf5HN) Linda Tripp advised Monica to not only keep the dress with the DNA on it, but, to put it some place safe like in a bank vault--lest she wind up dead like the other WH intern murdered outside a bookstore who was getting ready to go public with her BJ Clinton story. A murder that remains unsolved. Never forget the long list of FOBs who died of murder or in convenient car accidents.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at May 06, 2014 12:46 PM (kXoT0)

287 Tell me about it. Posted by: Prince Albert at May 06, 2014 04:43 PM (YkebF) I consider him very fashion-forward. He was ahead of the piercing trend, and he dressed well, plus he was a really sweet royal consort. Too bad they named chewing tobacco after him.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 06, 2014 12:46 PM (Y92Nd)

288 Does Monica still vote for Democrats? I'm really curious if she works for/with Democrats and their causes.

Posted by: Y-not at May 06, 2014 12:46 PM (zDsvJ)

289 257 Debate question for 2016: Mrs. Clinton, we know there had to have been a threesome. Who did you and Bill include in your threesomes? --- Me!

Posted by: Michael Moore at May 06, 2014 12:46 PM (R5UOB)

290

I've always felt a great deal of personal sympathy for Monica Lewinsky. As a plus, it was the Lewinsky Affair that pushed me from uncertain independent to (at that time) moderate Republican.  She was the perfect example of the feminist paradigm of workplace power politics: the boss as authority figure imposing his desires upon a much younger, impressionable woman. So did the feminists of the Left defend her? Oh, hell no. They called her a stalker and a bimbo and a whore.

 

Was Lewinsky wrong for having an affair with a married man? Of course she was. She made a mistake, one for which she paid more than most in her situation.

Posted by: troyriser at May 06, 2014 12:46 PM (gNlvW)

291 I think Gowdy could put out the call and he would get dozens of ret SEALs who have worked protection details to cover him like a blanket

Posted by: Jean at May 06, 2014 12:46 PM (Aqvh6)

292 Dress kept her alive, I'd say. Yeah, wish I had one.

Posted by: Zombie Vince Foster at May 06, 2014 12:47 PM (thLL8)

293 274 Oh, thanks, LizLem, that's the song that again, tries to evoke a blow job and ejaculation. Whew, getting deep here. Posted by: Seems legit at May 06, 2014 04:42 PM (A98Xu) Hah, welcome. I think it was Rush that pointed out the ridiculousness of calling a guy's action In flagrante delicto a Monica Lewinsky. Shouldn't it be a he Bill Clintoned all over her gown? But of course we cannot smear the Clintons in such a course manner, so Lewinsky it is.

Posted by: LizLem at May 06, 2014 12:47 PM (yRwC8)

294 My take? She blew her boss and Matt Drudge is evil. No evil in the superior taking advantage of the barely legal unpaid intern? No. Matt Drudge is evil for reporting her spooge-fest. She's a denial-slut.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at May 06, 2014 12:47 PM (j1NwQ)

295 Vanity Fair will probably spin the story, but remember one thing...as irrational as it seems and as silly as her expectations regarding Bill's returning her affections is...Monica HATES Hillary.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 06, 2014 12:47 PM (T0NGe)

296 When asked why she would do something that would presumably, only help republicans, Monica replied "the democrats just left a bad taste in my mouth".

Posted by: Modgi at May 06, 2014 12:48 PM (JqLhK)

297
She wore a raspberry beret.  The kind you find in a second hand store.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 06, 2014 12:48 PM (hJauc)

298 I'm always a little wary of people who are certain they know what others deserve, usually for sins they themselves have little or no desire to commit. Deciding consequences to mete out---even for your own children, let alone adults unrelated to you---is kind of a BFD

Posted by: Jenny Hates This Crap at May 06, 2014 12:48 PM (o5unu)

299 258 195 So let's skip this "deserve" thing. A request. Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 04:20 PM (36Rjy) "Deserve's" got nothin' to do with it. Posted by: William Munny at May 06, 2014 04:26 PM (un0yB) Tell it to those who brought up the topic of what ML deserves for her acts. Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 04:40 PM (36Rjy) --baldi, I'm not sure if you got the reference: http://youtu.be/dpDkYZWeeVg

Posted by: logprof at May 06, 2014 12:48 PM (un0yB)

300 sherry - who?

Posted by: Jean at May 06, 2014 12:48 PM (Aqvh6)

301

This girl should be grateful that she is alive.

 

See Brown, Ron.

Posted by: rockmom at May 06, 2014 12:48 PM (aBlZ1)

302 Like I wisely assertained last week: The Left's newest tactic is to *Birtherize* every thing. You see, you're just a small, noisy, buncha racists cranks.

Posted by: Soothie § at May 06, 2014 12:48 PM (dWCXK)

303 "Matt Drudge is evil for reporting her spooge-fest." Huh?

Posted by: Seems legit at May 06, 2014 12:48 PM (A98Xu)

304 No presidential mistress had ever had to testify under oath about the specific acts and occasions upon which she handled the president's junk. Ever. It's not really our business. For my money, if the president can think more clearly when he's had his pipes cleaned let him go for it. People are very complicated beings.

Scorn should be heaped on Clinton for abusing her in the aftermath, yes, but scorn should not accrue so thoroughly to her.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at May 06, 2014 04:39 PM (JtwS4)

 

 

-------------------------------------------

 

 

Marilyn Monroe did die at a very opportunistic time. 

 

Let the lesson be learned.  Don't fuck a married president.  It never ends well.

Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2014 12:49 PM (J2R4f)

305 280 At least she got women to stop wearing berets. ---- And every woman now thinks twice before wearing a blue dress on a date.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at May 06, 2014 12:49 PM (R5UOB)

306 Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 06, 2014 04:40 PM (AwYJ0) - Let's add 3) She chose to have with a lying, sociopathic narcissist.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 06, 2014 12:49 PM (rFdc0)

307 If you can  dodge a lamp thrown by your   harpy shrew of a wife, you can dodge anything.

Posted by: Good Ol' Boy Billy Jeff at May 06, 2014 12:49 PM (BAS5M)

308 War on Women!

Posted by: Taffy3 at May 06, 2014 12:49 PM (Xv7f/)

309 i'm always reminded of the ole saying midda kenegd midda and an ole wise isue from it about being judged measure for measure. while i'm sure Lewinski had to pay a price. what she did wasn't world ending. and she can recover. do well from now on monica. lesson learned. learn it.

Posted by: willow at May 06, 2014 12:49 PM (nqBYe)

310 My beef with this whole thing was that BJ Cliton didn't know the difference between what's right and what's wrong, a quality I consider pretty important in the Leader of the Free World.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at May 06, 2014 12:49 PM (0HooB)

311 Are we allowed to call Marilyn Monroe a slut for banging JFK?

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 12:50 PM (MMC8r)

312 I thought the post was about Lewinsky. --------------------- The two are not separable, in my opinion. Like Gary Condit/Chandra Levy, Gary Hart/Donna Rice, et al. Any political/social discussion about the one (the women) necessarily associates the men. To say otherwise is like saying that a discussion about the moon might be be held without mentioning the earth.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 06, 2014 12:50 PM (aDwsi)

313 Like O.M.G. people, it was only like, oral sex. It's not like he wanted her to keep a baby or anything.

Posted by: Typical Soccer Mom at May 06, 2014 12:50 PM (thLL8)

314 259 -

Her humiliation also stems from the  fact that she's more that a little bit of a disappointment, in that she  was  only marginally attractive, not very bright, and  seemingly  wholly undeserving of the role of the President's  snatchburger. 


Secondly, it's the very  juvenile nature of their "relationship."  Not an adult affair, they snuck around  jabbing objects  into  her snooch,  and creaming her clothes. 


It's  the difference between being a circus clown, and being... eh, Marilyn Monroe.  You're both in show business, but jeepers, does it need to be explained there's a difference? 

Posted by: BurtTC at May 06, 2014 12:50 PM (BeSEI)

315 People just really get off on saying that other people deserve their miseries and torments. Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:19 PM (/FnUH) I believe a whole bunch of people deserve their miseries and torments (Obama, I'm looking at you, among others), and if I get off on that, so be it. In the case at hand, I would much prefer Clinton be miserable and tormented for the perjury he committed, but I can't bring myself to shed much of a tear for Lewinski.

Posted by: kathysaysso at May 06, 2014 12:50 PM (jPT60)

316 Was Lewinsky wrong for having an affair with a married man? Of course she was. She made a mistake, one for which she paid more than most in her situation. --- But did she? I'm not saying Burn the Witch or anything, but I am still failing to see the consequences she "suffered." Yes, she's been the brunt of jokes, but she's had many opportunities b/c of or despite this episode. Go read her Wiki page. When her suffering got to much she "fled" to London to get a master's degree. Talk about tiny violins time. I'm not saying "heap more scorn on her," but I honestly don't see that she has been damaged by this. She's been embarrassed and she got tossed aside, but just what does a WH intern with her education and skill set expect to be her future career?

Posted by: Y-not at May 06, 2014 12:51 PM (zDsvJ)

317 There is such an ugly impulse to conflate these two things -- making an error with a foreseeable result and "deserving" every inch of misery that flows from that error. People just really get off on saying that other people deserve their miseries and torments. Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:19 PM (/FnUH) I'm saying that Bill Clinton caused a LOT of suffering. That people who enabled him should also be suffering seems somehow fitting in my mind. Jane Fonda should be spit upon every time she is seen in public. There are just some things associated with so much pain, which cry out for suffering to those who caused or enabled them.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 12:51 PM (bb5+k)

318 Dress kept her alive, I'd say.

Yeah, wish I had one.
Posted by: Zombie Vince Foster

Same, bro

Posted by: Zombie Quarrel Harris at May 06, 2014 12:51 PM (Aqvh6)

319  When asked why she would do something that would presumably, only help republicans, Monica replied "the democrats just left a bad taste in my mouth".

Posted by: Modgi at May 06, 2014 04:48 PM (JqLhK)

 

 

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Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2014 12:51 PM (J2R4f)

320

>>>but scorn should not accrue so thoroughly to her.

 

Actually, I've no problem with her. Never did. My focus was always on Clinton. ML is a symptom, glad she's doing OKish.

Posted by: Bigby's Fisticuffs at May 06, 2014 12:51 PM (3ZtZW)

321 Huh? That seems to be Monica's take, that Matt Drudge is evil for revealing a private moment. Poorly written on my part, mea culpa.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at May 06, 2014 12:51 PM (j1NwQ)

322 I have always considered Monica to be a "useful idiot". She's an idiot because she stayed loyal to the Clintons for lo these many years instead of cashing in or at least telling her story. I think she still loves him. She was just one of the many women there to keep Bill happy. Hillary never cared about his affairs because she was having her own--as long as he did not embarrass her. It was very odd to see the press defend a man screwing a woman almost the same age as his daughter in his office, which was just a wing away from where his wife and daughter lived.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at May 06, 2014 12:51 PM (kXoT0)

323 My beef with this whole thing was that BJ Cliton didn't know the difference between what's right and what's wrong, a quality I consider pretty important in the Leader of the Free World. Posted by: BackwardsBoy ----------------- That is a general problem with the Left/Liberals. The absence of an identifiable, civilizing morality.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 06, 2014 12:52 PM (aDwsi)

324 For some reason, female interns never throw themselves at older Electrical Engineers. Maybe it's the lackluster pay, or perhaps the total absence of authority ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 06, 2014 12:52 PM (zVIsV)

325 One thing is for certain: Bill Clinton has *not* received what *he* deserves. Yet.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 12:52 PM (36Rjy)

326 brings to mind the SNL skit of this era with Bill Clinton (Darrell Hammond), Monica (Molly Shannon), and Saddam (Will Ferrell) on the phone looking for ways to distract from the story. too bad Clinton didn't call Milosevic...

Posted by: the Butcher at May 06, 2014 12:53 PM (++HCY)

327 Dress kept her alive, I'd say. Posted by: Bigby's Fisticuffs at May 06, 2014 04:45 PM (3ZtZW) Obama's got a few murders to his name. He liked to dump their corpses in church parking lots.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 06, 2014 12:53 PM (Y92Nd)

328 I only wish she would have gotten pregnant and had a boy. And years from now he would have run as an (R) against Chelsea and won. That's entertainment!

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at May 06, 2014 12:53 PM (R5UOB)

329 "Secondly, it's the very juvenile nature of their "relationship." Not an adult affair, they snuck around jabbing objects into her snooch, and creaming her clothes. " Yeah, it seemed pretty juvenile to me also. Like Ace mentioned, I wonder if she thought she loved him. Whatever they had wasn't love. And maybe no one (Monica) expected it to be.

Posted by: Seems legit at May 06, 2014 12:53 PM (A98Xu)

330 '302 This girl should be grateful that she is alive. See Brown, Ron.' See Hale Boggs. Guess who the aid was the put him on that plane? Bill Clinton...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 06, 2014 12:54 PM (W7zKe)

331

>>>Like O.M.G. people, it was only like, oral sex.

 

That's the practical effect right there. Nobody seems to count oral sex as sex. When I ask infected people about partners they're always "I only have one partner!" then I ask about oral and they say "Oh yeah, but that isn't sex"

Posted by: Bigby's Fisticuffs at May 06, 2014 12:54 PM (3ZtZW)

332 This all to predictible and boring. The Clinton's have been skating through the rain drops of their criminality for 30+ years. The only reason this is surfacing now versus 2 years from now is the Clinton's want to clear this potential bimbo eruption when she's running. Get it out now, thrash it about through partisans, it cannot be brought up 2 years from now. Bonus points if this can somehow be tied to the GOPS war on women. It's fucking brilliant when you think about it.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 06, 2014 12:54 PM (8tAEF)

333 Are we allowed to call Marilyn Monroe a slut for banging JFK?

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 04:50 PM (MMC8r)

 

 

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They were both sluts.  Let's be reasonable.

Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2014 12:54 PM (J2R4f)

334 good night all

Posted by: Bigby's Fisticuffs at May 06, 2014 12:55 PM (3ZtZW)

335 326 One thing is for certain: Bill Clinton has *not* received what *he* deserves. Yet. Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 04:52 PM (36Rjy) Absolutely true. Like AtC said, I don't care about this story or Monica other than how it impacts Hillary running for President of the United States. And I can only hope it's negative.

Posted by: Seems legit at May 06, 2014 12:55 PM (A98Xu)

336 Jean, intern was Mary Mahoney. Do a search for "Clinton Intern Murdered Outside Bookstore." http://littledixiedynamite.wordpress.com/2013/02/24/the-mysterious-murder-of-mary-mahoney/

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at May 06, 2014 12:55 PM (kXoT0)

337 326 One thing is for certain: Bill Clinton has *not* received what *he* deserves. Yet. Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 04:52 PM (36Rjy) --Hillary may not have received her just deserts, but she appears to have received a lot of just desserts.

Posted by: logprof at May 06, 2014 12:55 PM (un0yB)

338 From Wiki Tripp became a close confidante of another former White House employee, Monica Lewinsky, while they both worked in the Pentagon's public affairs office. According to Tripp, who is about 24 years older than Lewinsky, they knew one another for a year and a half before the scandal began to reach its critical stage. After Lewinsky revealed to Tripp that she had been in a physical relationship with President Clinton, Tripp, acting on the advice of literary agent Lucianne Goldberg, began to secretly record phone conversations with Lewinsky while encouraging Lewinsky to document details of her relationship with the president. In August 1997, Michael Isikoff, from Newsweek, reported that Tripp said that she had encountered Kathleen Willey coming out of the Oval Office "disheveled", with "her face red and her lipstick was off". Willey alleged that Clinton groped her. Clinton's lawyer, Robert S. Bennett said in the Newsweek article, "Linda Tripp is not to be believed."[3] In January 1998, Tripp gave the surreptitiously recorded tapes to then-Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr in exchange for immunity from prosecution. Tripp disclosed to Starr that she was aware of the relationship between Lewinsky and President Clinton, that Lewinsky had executed a false affidavit denying the relationship that was submitted to the federal court in Arkansas in the Jones v. Clinton lawsuit, and that Lewinsky had attempted to suborn Tripp's perjury in the Jones v. Clinton suit to conceal the Clinton-Lewinsky relationship as well as Tripp's claim regarding Kathleen Willey from the federal court. As Tripp explained, she was being solicited to commit a crime to conceal evidence in the Jones civil rights case.[4] Tripp also informed Starr of the existence of a navy blue dress that Lewinsky owned that was soiled with Clinton's semen. During their friendship, Lewinsky had shown the dress to Tripp and said she intended to have it dry-cleaned; Tripp convinced her not to by providing various spurious reasons such as Lewinsky looking fat in it and the dress being Lewinsky's "ultimate protection". Based on Tripp's tapes, Starr obtained approval from Attorney General Janet Reno and the special court overseeing the Independent Counsel to expand Starr's investigation into the Clinton-Lewinsky relationship, looking for potential incidents of perjury, to investigate Lewinsky for perjury and suborning perjury as a witness in the lawsuit Paula Jones had brought against Clinton.[5] While Tripp maintains she acted out of "patriotic duty," some Americans believe[weasel words] that she betrayed Lewinsky in the hopes of using her knowledge of the relationship to obtain a possible book or movie deal, neither of which has occurred to date. Tripp has claimed that she taped Lewinsky out of self-defense, as she feared retaliation from the Clinton administration, also claiming Lewinsky had assured President Clinton that she had told only Tripp about their affair (which was untrue), thus making her a target since she refused to go along with perjuring herself to protect Lewinsky and the President. Eventually both Clinton and Lewinsky had to appear before a Washington, D.C., grand jury to answer questions, although Clinton appeared via closed circuit television. After the round of interrogation, the jurors offered Lewinsky the chance to offer any last words. "I hate Linda Tripp", she said.[6]

Posted by: Jen at May 06, 2014 12:56 PM (qcDPE)

339 So let's skip this "deserve" thing. A request. Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 04:20 PM (36Rjy) What does Jane Fonda deserve? What does Ted Kennedy Deserve? For that matter, what does JFK, who personally caused all those men to die in Cuba, and very nearly got 100 million Americans killed because of his utter incompetence deserve? Sometimes people don't get what they deserve. I personally thought none of the above listed people got what they really deserved, and you might as well add Bill Clinton to that list. When you play the game at the Presidential level, your consequences ought likewise be exceptional.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 12:56 PM (bb5+k)

340 One internet list of Dead FOBs: http://home.earthlink.net/~mrnetwork/death.html

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at May 06, 2014 12:56 PM (kXoT0)

341 I don't understand the focus on whether people think she got what she "deserved." And I don't understand what ill has befallen her. She did something stupid and immoral. The results were not extraordinary. (And, incidentally, even had it not become public, it would not have ended well for her. If she thinks she was going to either marry him or parlay that into a Big Career, she's really silly.) She is not in jail, destitute, or in fear for her life. She's embarrassed. *I* didn't do that to her. Bill Clinton and his enablers did.

Posted by: Y-not at May 06, 2014 12:57 PM (zDsvJ)

342 For some reason, female interns never throw themselves at older Electrical Engineers. Maybe it's the lackluster pay, or perhaps the total absence of authority ... Posted by: ScoggDog --------------- 'Older'?

Posted by: Dilbert at May 06, 2014 12:57 PM (aDwsi)

343 Oh, let he who is innocent cast the first stone? I give Jesus shit for not being a little more erudite here, because what He meant was "You assholes would hit it and shrug it off afterward." That's what we're seeing here, too. But let's put it in context. Lewinsky and Clinton both abused their positions. She absolutely deserved public scorn, because that was the risk she took by fucking the most publicly visible and powerful, not to mention married, person in the world. Can't take the heat? Get outtta the kitchen. Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 06, 2014 04:44 PM (Y92Nd) Crude, but accurate. If you recall, the woman was caught in the act. I suspect the stone throwers had been watching. And ML is the issue here.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 12:57 PM (36Rjy)

344 Eatin Ain't Cheatin, as a woman once announced to me.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 06, 2014 12:57 PM (W7zKe)

345 Hillary's war isn't just a War on Women. She wages War on Men, too. And on everyone who isn't A Friend of Clinton. Her latest war? In Benghazi she helped let patriots die (and set them up for trouble in the first place) and then - AND THEN - lied to dead colleagues' families and the nation itself about what Benghazi was about only in order to preserve her media-assigned "reputation". Hillary is evil and dangerous. Her protecting a serial sexual predator is the least of her sins.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 06, 2014 12:57 PM (1CroS)

346 M Monroe, at one time, literally was a whore wasn't she?

Posted by: eleven at May 06, 2014 12:57 PM (GXZgZ)

347 Late to the party on I44 What do you think was going to happen when you let the prez shove a cigar uo your twat?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 06, 2014 12:58 PM (kQj83)

348 279
Monica Lewinsky should have realized "I'm enabling Bill Clinton's soft response to terrorist attacks" while she's blowing him?


Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:16 PM (/FnUH)


I'm enabling this utterly immoral man to remain in office instead of doing the right thing and informing the public just how utterly immoral he is.


The soft on terror is just a consequence of the previous decision fork.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 04:44 PM (bb5+k)

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No, that's wrong. Before she had done anything - when it was still at the place where Clinton was flirting with her, propositioning her, hitting on her, whatever - she had no duty to run to a reporter to tell the country what he was doing. She wasn't a witness to a murder or even a crime. She was was a young woman who had an older, married man hitting on her.

Criticize her for not saying no, sure. But she had no duty to turn her private life into a spectacle.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 06, 2014 12:58 PM (IN7k+)

349 I've always felt a great deal of personal sympathy for Monica Lewinsky. As a plus, it was the Lewinsky Affair that pushed me from uncertain independent to (at that time) moderate Republican. She was the perfect example of the feminist paradigm of workplace power politics: the boss as authority figure imposing his desires upon a much younger, impressionable woman. Posted by: troyriser at May 06, 2014 04:46 PM (gNlvW) Agree. I think ppl try to paint her as this conniving femme fatale siren, like they did with Amanda Knox, but I just don't see it. I was already conservative at that point, but I will never, ever forget Bill Clinton looking us in the eye during his president and promising us, the American people, he had not had sex with her. My little preteen heart wanted to believe him; he was my president. surely he had not sullied the office the way everyone said he had. But of course he had, and was a lying liar who lied, and finally got caught for it. HE lied to all our faces, yet she is the horrible person that had to be scarlet lettered and banished? Please. My heart grew three times as cynical that day, because of that. Well that, OJ Simpson, and Tonya Harding; they all happened around the same time.

Posted by: LizLem at May 06, 2014 12:58 PM (yRwC8)

350 Hillary couldn't even handle a horny co-ed gobbling her husband's hambone, what makes the dumb bitch think she can handle Putin?

Posted by: Fritz at May 06, 2014 01:00 PM (oJUxt)

351 Throne-sniffing presstitutes didn't begin with the Obama era. Posted by: Citizen X at May 06, 2014 04:24 PM (7ObY1) My notice of them began with Bill Clinton. I absolutely hated that man. I never thought we could get one worse than him until we did.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:00 PM (bb5+k)

352 If you remember ,  Clinton  wasn't Lewinsky's  first trip to  the rodeo with a married man.    I have no sympathy for her at all.  

Posted by: polynikes at May 06, 2014 01:00 PM (m2CN7)

353 --baldi, I'm not sure if you got the reference: http://youtu.be/dpDkYZWeeVg Posted by: logprof at May 06, 2014 04:48 PM (un0yB) I didn't. Thanks.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 01:00 PM (36Rjy)

354 Hey, remember these were different times. On the heels of the AIDS epidemic, the controversial sex ed bombardment and condoms in schools programs began. Tipper Gore wanted to censor music. There were morals before the Clintons.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 06, 2014 01:01 PM (Y92Nd)

355 What about the national smearing of Linda Tripp. She's the true victim here. The leftwing lynch mob that we see today was basically formed to stop her.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 06, 2014 01:03 PM (FQLT3)

356 And every woman now thinks twice before wearing a blue dress on a date. Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at May 06, 2014 04:49 PM (R5UOB) Devil with the blue dress on...

Posted by: Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels at May 06, 2014 01:03 PM (yRwC8)

357 "Fallacy. That's just a variation of the tu quoque argument." Laugh. No, what it is is a suggestion that you ought not to be an outrageous moral hypocrite and apply a vindictively-severe standard to others that you would never, ever countenance if applied to yourself. Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:24 PM (/FnUH) And that is an ad hominem. You usually do better than this in your responses.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:03 PM (bb5+k)

358 The great tragedy here is that Lewinsky, a young, single woman, was subjected to the public shaming, rather than Clinton, who was married, and in a position of extreme responsibility. A principled media would have blistered Clinton non-stop, and forgotten Monica.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 06, 2014 01:04 PM (aDwsi)

359 again, I keep talking about Monica and other people keep talking about Monica and/or CLINTON, depending on where they are in the sentence. Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:25 PM (/FnUH) That you see them as separable in this context is just puzzling. Monica is only known because of Clinton.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:05 PM (bb5+k)

360 The saddest thing about the whole Lewinsky thing was the way her parents behaved. They were TRUE BLUE DEMOCRATS and bigtime Power Worshippers and they seemed perversely proud that their little girl had managed to become a Democratic President's mistress. All of their outrage and anger were directed at the people, Tripp and Goldberg, who gave Monica the advice that kept the Clintons from disposing of her. It was one of the nastiest things I have ever seen in my life. It made me so grateful that my parents were nothing like that.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at May 06, 2014 01:05 PM (kXoT0)

361 Well, looks like Monica is looking for a second chance. Hope she doesn't blow it.

Posted by: seamrog at May 06, 2014 01:05 PM (FNmUA)

362 313 I thought the post was about Lewinsky. --------------------- The two are not separable, in my opinion. Like Gary Condit/Chandra Levy, Gary Hart/Donna Rice, et al. Any political/social discussion about the one (the women) necessarily associates the men. To say otherwise is like saying that a discussion about the moon might be be held without mentioning the earth. Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 06, 2014 04:50 PM (aDwsi) Mention, yes; evaluate actions, no.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 01:05 PM (36Rjy)

363 194 I remember being incredulous that during the impeachment of Clinton, his popularity rating was something in the 60% range. You're welcome. Posted by: The MSM at May 06, 2014 04:26 PM (MMC8r) And that is why they fucking need to be taken apart.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:06 PM (bb5+k)

364

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at May 06, 2014 05:05 PM (kXoT0)

 

They already knew of an affair with another married man so Clinton was a power upgrade.

Posted by: polynikes at May 06, 2014 01:06 PM (m2CN7)

365 Beavis, you're a dumb son of a bitch. And you're grandmother's a slut.

Posted by: Butthead at May 06, 2014 01:06 PM (un0yB)

366 347 -

Yes, that's the story.  I'm sure some will say it's not true, but airbrushing the history of Hollywood stars and starlets is what they do out there.


Posted by: BurtTC at May 06, 2014 01:07 PM (BeSEI)

367 Well, looks like Monica is looking for a second chance. Hope she doesn't blow it. What you did there......I saw it.

Posted by: eleven at May 06, 2014 01:07 PM (VhqUZ)

368 Well, looks like Monica is looking for a second chance.

Hope she doesn't blow it.

Posted by: seamrog at May 06, 2014 05:05 PM (FNmUA)

 

I'm afraid  she sucks at second chances. 

Posted by: polynikes at May 06, 2014 01:07 PM (m2CN7)

369 people make up a lot of high-minded-sounding reasons to justify their base desire to hate and humiliate Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:28 PM (/FnUH) Or to make such an accusation against others.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:08 PM (bb5+k)

370 361 Sherry - The same with Chandra Levy's parents, I think..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 06, 2014 01:08 PM (aDwsi)

371 >>>I don't really know. She claims she hasn't gotten jobs because of "her history," but I guess everyone would claim that (I mean, everyone thinks that every unfavorable decision is "unfair"). Oh boo hoo for her. I bet she isn't crying about the jobs she got because of her history. Would she have gotten to host some cheesy reality dating shows if her name hadn't been lewinsky? Maybe it has hurt her at times but she's probably going to pretend that it hasn't benefited her which isn't true.

Posted by: Buzzion at May 06, 2014 01:08 PM (z/Ubi)

372 >>361 The saddest thing about the whole Lewinsky thing was the way her parents behaved. +1 to that, Sherry.

Posted by: Y-not at May 06, 2014 01:08 PM (zDsvJ)

373 Most (all?) modern presidents had a mistress. Only JFK and WJC seem to have had multiple fuck buddies/victims while in office. Monica was just one of many, despite what she probably thought. Self-delusion is the root of all evil, in many ways.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 06, 2014 01:09 PM (W7zKe)

374 What does Jane Fonda deserve? What does Ted Kennedy Deserve? For that matter, what does JFK, who personally caused all those men to die in Cuba, and very nearly got 100 million Americans killed because of his utter incompetence deserve? Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 04:56 PM (bb5+k) Death. As do I. And you.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 01:10 PM (36Rjy)

375

"I did not have sex with that woman [wags finger angrily] . . . Monica Lewinsky.  Now, let me get back the the nation's  business."  [walks briskly away from lectern]

 

7 seconds later

 

"Think they'll buy it?"

Posted by: Good Ol' Boy Billy Jeff at May 06, 2014 01:10 PM (BAS5M)

376 No, get it right! She's a whore!!

Posted by: Beavis at May 06, 2014 01:10 PM (un0yB)

377 >>361 The saddest thing about the whole Lewinsky thing was the way her parents behaved. +1 to that, Sherry. Posted by: Y-not at May 06, 2014 05:08 PM (zDsvJ) I shudder to think what my father would have done to a 50 year old man that was simply using me as a semen depository. Then laughing about it after I left the room.....

Posted by: Jen at May 06, 2014 01:11 PM (qcDPE)

378 215 incidentally, Inspector Cussword, the argument you butted into without apparently knowing the thing being argued about was D-Lamp's thesis that Monica Lewinsky deserves what she got because she should have realized, for example, that her failure to publicize the affair early and often would result in Bill Clinton defeating Bob Dole in 1996. I do not know anyone who thinks like that while they're having a sexual affair and I doubt D-Lamp thinks that way either. Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:30 PM (/FnUH) No Ace, that's your strawman talking. I said that perhaps if she had made known to the world what a piece of shit he was, Bob Dole might have won the election, but instead the public was deprived of that very important knowledge because she kept silent. I likewise did not assert that specific consequences would occur, I suggested that what subsequently turned out to be bad history may well have been changed had she simply done the right thing. Other people suffered because she helped enable that bastard. Why should we feel sorry that she suffered too?

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:12 PM (bb5+k)

379 Where are all the 22 year olds at?

Posted by: Mr. 50 Year Old at May 06, 2014 01:12 PM (W7zKe)

380 I do not remember Chandra Levy's parents behaving as badly as did Monica's. For one thing, their daughter was dead and they seemed to want justice for her.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at May 06, 2014 01:12 PM (kXoT0)

381 I believe that without the "Blue dress", Monica would have ended up in prison or an asylum. They were getting the machinery in motion for that. Posted by: toby928© at May 06, 2014 04:31 PM (QupBk) And this I believe. Once again, Clinton was scum, and everyone who enabled him bears some responsibility for those things he did.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:13 PM (bb5+k)

382 Can't we tear apart that violent commie lying scrunt, Cecily MacMilion, instead?

Posted by: Pug Justice at May 06, 2014 01:13 PM (3U9Bd)

383 And if ML is on the Hillary-16 payroll? Would explain a LOT.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 06, 2014 01:13 PM (W7zKe)

384 I'm confused - why exactly was Lewinsky humiliated? Why did she slut-shame herself? If she truly feels that sex between two consenting adults is perfectly okay, why would she feel humiliated when it all came out in public? On the whole, I do feel somewhat sorry for Lewinsky, but it is the left that has abused her and made her name a laughing-stock. Oh, and here's a true story - around the time this story broke, I went down to the KenCen early one Saturday morning and parked my car at the Watergate parking garage. Later in the day as I pulled out of the garage, several photographers noticed my dark hair and began to get excited thinking they were getting a Monica sighting. It was kind of funny.

Posted by: biancaneve at May 06, 2014 01:13 PM (2sR50)

385 220 I also assume that if you're blowing the president that probably indicates you're a political supporter... Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:32 PM (/FnUH) Some things ought to be above political expediency.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:14 PM (bb5+k)

386 375 -

Jeez, so everyone's equivalent here?  Nobody  has a right to claim moral superiority over anyone else?

I get that  there is a religious directive not to judge, but lots of  people seem to  have the misguided opinion that since  we  aren't supposed to judge, we have no business pointing out when people are violating  those  pesky  Commandments God laid out. 

Fine.  Let's open the prisons  then. 

Posted by: BurtTC at May 06, 2014 01:15 PM (BeSEI)

387 Useless without pictures, biancaneve! ;-)

Posted by: Y-not at May 06, 2014 01:15 PM (zDsvJ)

388 i'm really not sure how many of us could well survive a full vetting of our sexual pas We can all start by not blowing the president of the U.S. in the oval office.

Posted by: Just a guy at May 06, 2014 01:16 PM (CGzAz)

389 She claims she hasn't gotten jobs because of "her history" Monica is every HR departments nightmare -- the naive talkative woman with no self respect and 'Daddy' issues. I kinda agree with any who have said this is Hillary trying to preempt later discussions about her role. "What difference does it make, that was years ago?!!"

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at May 06, 2014 01:16 PM (j1NwQ)

390 I would add that her whining that she can't get jobs, or her life has turned out different because of the public humiliation is a consequence. Sorry, people, but consequences are what happens when you do something evil, wrong, immoral. Say what we want to about Hilary, but can you imagine the embarassment Chelsea suffered due to this affair. She was 17 when this happened. She was three years younger than Monica. Talk to anyone whose parent has gotten involved with or married someone close to their age as to what it does to their emotions.....

Posted by: Jen at May 06, 2014 01:16 PM (qcDPE)

391 This all to predictible and boring. The Clinton's have been skating through the rain drops of their criminality for 30+ years. The only reason this is surfacing now versus 2 years from now is the Clinton's want to clear this potential bimbo eruption when she's running. Get it out now, thrash it about through partisans, it cannot be brought up 2 years from now. Bonus points if this can somehow be tied to the GOPS war on women. It's fucking brilliant when you think about it.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 06, 2014 01:17 PM (8tAEF)

392 Apparently, Burt.

Posted by: Y-not at May 06, 2014 01:17 PM (zDsvJ)

393 389 i'm really not sure how many of us could well survive a full vetting of our sexual pas We can all start by not blowing the president of the U.S. in the oval office. Posted by: Just a guy at May 06, 2014 05:16 PM (CGzAz) Shit

Posted by: Reggie love, kal penn, bill oreilley, Chris matthews at May 06, 2014 01:18 PM (z/Ubi)

394 381 -

Long  before she died, she was openly admitting to having an affair with a married man  with some amount of power in Washington.  They were giddy with pride that their daughter was breaking Commandments they purported to believe in. 

Posted by: BurtTC at May 06, 2014 01:19 PM (BeSEI)

395 I'll never forget when I was with friends in Tanzania in 2000, and one of the locals, who spoke decent English, asked us where we were from. My friend replied, somewhat proudly, that we were from America. The local beamed and with a wide smile and a nod, said, "Ahhhhh, Monica Lewinsky!" Thanks a fuck of a lot, Bill.

Posted by: logprof at May 06, 2014 01:21 PM (un0yB)

396 Better to be Clinton'd than Foster'd...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 06, 2014 01:21 PM (W7zKe)

397 Hate Monica, don't hate Moncia, whatever, the thing that remains the most relevant is that BJ Clinton is a sexual predator. He has been accused of battery and rape, abuse of power to obtain sex, abuse of personnel to solicit sex, and other sexual "transactions and transgressions." Guess who could not care less that we had a POTUS who was also a Sexual Predator In Chief, the feminists, that's who. NOW and all the other feminist groups lined up behind BJ and supported him through thick and thin--why, because he was on the correct side of their hot button issue--unfettered access to unlimited abortions paid for with Federal money or insurance money or state money--anybody's money but the woman seeking the abortion.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at May 06, 2014 01:21 PM (kXoT0)

398 She claims she hasn't gotten jobs because of "her history" Monica is every HR departments nightmare -- the naive talkative woman with no self respect and 'Daddy' issues. Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 06, 2014 05:16 PM (j1NwQ) Agree. Yeah, I want to hire this idiot who has demonstrated in the past that she wants to bang all the married guys in the office, tell everyone about it, and justifies it by saying it is between consenting adults. No, none of the females in the office will be upset about this. Nor will any of the guys's wives. Oh, and when she complains to HR that she is being sexually harrassed??? Mmmm.....

Posted by: Jen at May 06, 2014 01:21 PM (qcDPE)

399 Dress kept her alive, I'd say. Posted by: Bigby's Fisticuffs at May 06, 2014 04:45 PM (3ZtZW) I almost had her!

Posted by: Fort Marcy Park at May 06, 2014 01:23 PM (bb5+k)

400 Yeah, BJ figured he could skip hookers cuz interns would do it for free.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 06, 2014 01:24 PM (Y92Nd)

401 381 I do not remember Chandra Levy's parents behaving as badly as did Monica's. For one thing, their daughter was dead and they seemed to want justice for her. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at May 06, 2014 05:12 PM (kXoT0) As I recall, a lot of that tragedy got drowned out by the 9/11 attacks.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 01:24 PM (36Rjy)

402 Actually, now that I think about it, wasn't there a politically connected girl that went missing and was found dead in a park?

Posted by: Fort Marcy Park at May 06, 2014 01:24 PM (bb5+k)

403 Actually, now that I think about it, wasn't there a politically connected girl that went missing and was found dead in a park? Posted by: Fort Marcy Park at May 06, 2014 05:24 PM (bb5+k) That was Chandra Levy.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at May 06, 2014 01:26 PM (kXoT0)

404 For today's  discussion exercise  on morality, we're going to divide into  two groups.  First group is anyone who has  ever given a Presidential BJ.  Second group is everyone else.  Okay?  Begin.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 06, 2014 01:26 PM (BAS5M)

405 374 Well the current president probably has misters, not mistresses.

Posted by: Titanium at May 06, 2014 01:27 PM (AgxE5)

406 Clinton used to have, especially while President, this odd quality (somatype actually) of being both gangly and blubbery at the same time. Now he seems just a frail old man. He almost elicits sympathy.

Posted by: Esau's Message at May 06, 2014 01:28 PM (WZq72)

407 377 Dammit Pantera this beer is warm! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2khPKg1idaI

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 06, 2014 01:30 PM (Y92Nd)

408

Linda Tripp was dragged over the coals and she didn't even get a happy ending.  Feminist/Clinton Fan Club eviscerated her as a traitor, bad friend, etc. etc.  Her looks were constant fodder for mockery and her life as well as her family's was forever changed negatively.

 

Dead silence from the man-hating Fem-Nazis.

Posted by: Cheri at May 06, 2014 01:32 PM (G+Wff)

409 As I recall, a lot of that tragedy got drowned out by the 9/11 attacks. Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 05:24 PM (36Rjy) True, her body was finally found in May, 2002 in Rock Creek Park. Her murder remains a mystery even though there was a conviction of an El Salvadorn immigrant, Ingmar Guandique, who maintains his innocence. It did end the career of "her" Congress Critter, Gary Condit

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at May 06, 2014 01:32 PM (kXoT0)

410 Criticize her for not saying no, sure. But she had no duty to turn her private life into a spectacle. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 06, 2014 04:58 PM (IN7k+) She had a duty to turn HIS life into a spectacle. If my president is a worthless piece of shit, I think I ought to have a right to know about it, and those people who count themselves as loyal to the nation have a duty to inform me as to it. Of course that ship sailed a long time ago.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:32 PM (bb5+k)

411 Well, isn't it nice that poor Ms. Lewinsky is looking to be helpful! After all, you never know when you might find yourself facing global humiliation for doing nasty sexual things with your boss, the POTUS. Any bets on whether part of her advice will be, "Don't act like a common tramp, the way I did?" ... Anybody?...

Posted by: Optimizer at May 06, 2014 01:34 PM (saDM3)

412 Death. As do I. And you. Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 05:10 PM (36Rjy) I respect your opinion so i'm not going to suggest otherwise.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:36 PM (bb5+k)

413 lmao The winner, I think, from Twitchy: http://tinyurl.com/lnjbfub

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 06, 2014 01:37 PM (aDwsi)

414 381 I do not remember Chandra Levy's parents behaving as badly as did Monica's. For one thing, their daughter was dead and they seemed to want justice for her. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at May 06, 2014 05:12 PM (kXoT0) Chandra Levy is the girl of whom I was thinking. Did they ever solve her murder?

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:37 PM (bb5+k)

415 “is to get involved with efforts on behalf of victims of online humiliation and harassment and to start speaking on this topic in public forums.” So, Monica's going to be a spokesperson for the Tea Party and conservative bloggers? ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 06, 2014 01:40 PM (XyM/Y)

416 I remember the Monica days quite well. It was the beginning days of the #WarOnMen -- and it still continues to this day. Bill Clinton had signed legislation to 'empower' women to bring charges of sexual harassment against men in authority -- and he stepped over the line, in fact blew right across the finish line all over the blue dress. An abject lesson in (D) hypocrisy, it was. A Hillary Clinton presidency would be a nightmare for men. She has a score to settle, not against Monica, but men in general.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at May 06, 2014 01:41 PM (j1NwQ)

417 Re Chandra Levy's murder: Chandra Levy's convicted killer may soon receive new trial after court records cast doubt Newly released court records show that the prosecution's star witness, Armando Morales, lied about cutting possible deals with law enforcement in exchange for testimony on Igmar Guandique's confession in Kentucky lock-up http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ chandra-levy-convicted-killer-new-trial-article-1.1420587

Posted by: Y-not at May 06, 2014 01:42 PM (zDsvJ)

418

I am remembering the book. Dereliction of Duty,  written by Lt. Col. Buzz Patterson, USAF Ret. who was assigned to carry the nuclear football during 2 years of the Clinton Administration.  He wrote of an incident on AF1 flying with the President that Clinton started rubbing up against and harrassing a young, pretty USAF flight crew member who was assigned to help serve meals, etc. to the guests on board.  It got so bad that she went to Patterson with tears in her eyes asking him if he could get Clinton to stop.

Sexual predator indeed.

Posted by: Cheri at May 06, 2014 01:42 PM (G+Wff)

419 There is a lesson to be learned in this: If you value your privacy, do not have a workplace affair with a person  who is being sued for workplace sexual harassment. According to a law signed by Bill Clinton, all such activity is open to discovery

Posted by: Freddie Sykes at May 06, 2014 01:42 PM (sntaz)

420 The voting millenials for 2016 were either not born yet or very small children when Clinton was president. I do believe this is some orchestrated attempt by the Clinton machine to make Clinton's impeachment and transgressions seem so nothing, simply the right wing conspiracy Republican Tea Party nuts trying to enforce their sexual hangups on everyone else. Monica thinks it was no big deal, just consensual sex between adults, which as everyone knows is perfectly normal and healthy. And since the majority of twenty somethings totally agree with this thinking, might as well ingrain it in them now.

Posted by: Jen at May 06, 2014 01:45 PM (qcDPE)

421 >>>She had a duty to turn HIS life into a spectacle.

No, actually she didn't.  You can assert this as strongly as you wish, but it doesn't make it any less repugnantly fascist. 

Hey D-Lamp, do people have a duty to 'out' gay Republicans who are closeted, and opposed to same-sex marriage?  If not, then why not?

(Hint: the answer you give to this question is extremely relevant to your stated position here.)

Posted by: Jeff B., RINO emeritus at May 06, 2014 01:45 PM (ewYO6)

422 I remember how mad her dad was and even called Clintern a misogynist at first. Funny how his party loyalty (or money or physical threat) overrode his first impulse. Imagine how different it would have turned out if he continued to be mad and in front of the cameras every day.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at May 06, 2014 01:47 PM (9Bdcz)

423 So the same liberal types who screech about "blaming the victim" in a sexual assault see nothing wrong with blaming the victim.

Back in a bit; going to slam scotch until this makes sense.

Posted by: NR Pax at May 06, 2014 01:47 PM (nxqDh)

424 Adam Carolla is actually pretty well versed in the events of Chandra Levy, he did like an hour on her once on his podcast, there were multiple other women killed the same way, same park, and they had the guy but kept going down some other path

Posted by: chelsea danger at May 06, 2014 01:48 PM (9OgGE)

425 >>>Re Chandra Levy's murder: Chandra Levy's convicted killer may soon receive new trial after court records cast doubt Newly released court records show that the prosecution's star witness, Armando Morales, lied about cutting possible deals with law enforcement in exchange for testimony on Igmar Guandique's confession in Kentucky lock-up http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ chandra-levy-convicted-killer-new-trial-article-1.1420587 ... omg... I had no idea this conviction was secured on the strength of an alleged "Jailhouse Confession" to a longtime "informant." I'm almost at the point of just saying we must bar this sort of evidence, period. Just refuse to permit it. It's always a lie. ALWAYS.

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 01:48 PM (/FnUH)

426 I don't know why we all feel so gung-ho to be hard-hearted, or to make up reasons why hard-heartedness is a good and righteous thing. Posted by: ace at May 06, 2014 04:33 PM (/FnUH) You hard-hearted hard heart, hardy har har "I don't know why" guy. ACCOUNTABILITY. First we abhor, then we tolerate, then we embrace. Yet familiarity breeds contempt. She wants the global humiliation to go away? She should have stayed out of the picture, then and now. She says consistently, the sexual affair was consensual between adults. She wants to be seen the consenting adult victim of sexual harassment despite photo documents of her flirting with him is on WH press corp record. So? She's not the first woman, nor the widest age difference between partners, to have an affair with a married POTUS in Office. Her problem with being framed a stalker and such is between her and her own social circle, and is not a bag of shit I accept full responsibility for on her behalf, or on Democrats' behalf. This is not The Scarlet Letter, ace. When Monica wipes her slate clean, fine with me. If Monica Lewinsky wants to live a private life (and would that she did), to be left in peace, fresh start, new leaf, having moved on, live and learn, WHATEVER, then she has no business dragging out her immorality story for people to embrace and to fund with financial support. Or worse, more revisionism. She's playing the tool AGAIN to erode sensibility in favor of corrupt finesse, the sort of thing attorneys too often applaud. That might make her feel wonderful, being accepted and honored with celebrity status without making amends for the damage that she inflicted on America. Were Ms. Lewinsky begging Americans to forgive her for dragging everyone through her scandal, and for dissolving whatever shred of MEANING that "impeach" used to carry, leaving corrupt politicians complete free rein to do as they please without fear of accountability, THAT WOULD BE HONORABLE. She's no longer a 22-year-old "idiot" after all. But "honor" is beside her point. She wants everyone to kiss her booboo and make it better. So much for maturity in relation to age. Let her call out Bloomberg and Hillary AND BILL herself. Vanity. I want nothing to do with her, and have every right to repudiate her latest propaganda circuit advancing her own interests. If Lewinsky's battle is not with me, and her cause is not mine, and her record is selfish, she can stay out of my picture or suffer a personal rebuke for her own errors and her own negative effect on America when she intrudes into my personal space. Ms. Lewinsky was not interested in cultivating a healthy relationship or she'd have had a legitimate friend to bond with instead of fucking with the POTUS dirty old man. She wanted trouble, and she wanted to get away with making trouble. And she mocked us all in the process. And each time she demands the limelight "coming out of the shadow" she's still playing the same role, flirting for public approval. Ace: "Certainly there was a great deal of mocking directed towards her, and almost certainly too much of it (inasmuch as people will readily mock others for embarrassing actions they themselves have committed). " WTF? How many women not married to a POTUS are you saying had sexual intercourse with a POTUS in office? And what gives with the neo-hippie "free love" lie that most women have illicit affairs with married men. You know what? I don't want to know people's sexual activities that are NOT MY CONCERN. But I also don't approve of your assumption that fucking around with someone else's spouse is the norm and "ok" in your book. On private matters, keep it behind closed doors. And accept full responsibility when exposed, accidentally or not. Global humiliation? There it is, fair or not, the inevitable result. Physics law of motion, put an EFFECTIVE stop to the motion. It will cost everything. Or else ride on the motion and deal with consequences. When she denounces her own bad example that she set for American girls during the Clinton years, Americans will direct open empathy valves in her general direction. Realize that empathy is pouring from our souls each day towards victims being slaughtered. Lewinsky truthfully can not deny any culpability, intentional or NOT, in the course of public domestic/international affairs after her bad moves made waves influencing global conscious resonance. For the braindead lacking reading comprehension, I'm not saying that Monica is to blame for everything wrong in the world. And now that the chase has concluded, and we've completed the coda and hit the double bar? In three words or less, Life's Complicated.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 06, 2014 01:48 PM (gmrH5)

427 Moral of the Monica story? Don't fuck around without accepting the consequences. Abstinence beats global humiliation.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 06, 2014 01:50 PM (gmrH5)

428 Anyone have a cold steak? or an ice pack?

Posted by: Juanita Broaddrick at May 06, 2014 01:51 PM (thLL8)

429 >>>Ms. Lewinsky was not interested in cultivating a healthy relationship or she'd have had a legitimate friend to bond with instead of fucking with the POTUS dirty old man. She wanted trouble, and she wanted to get away with making trouble. And she mocked us all in the process.Lighten up, Francis.

Posted by: Jeff B., RINO emeritus at May 06, 2014 01:54 PM (ewYO6)

430 Lighten up, Francis. Posted by: Jeff B., RINO emeritus (ewYO6) pfft, playing the Python k-nigget in shining armor

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 06, 2014 01:59 PM (gmrH5)

431 omg... I had no idea this conviction was secured on the strength of an alleged "Jailhouse Confession" to a longtime "informant." I'm almost at the point of just saying we must bar this sort of evidence, period. Just refuse to permit it. --- Yeah, when they came up with Their Man, it felt fishy to me. It really is scary when you think of dead bodies piled up around some of these political scandals.

Posted by: Y-not at May 06, 2014 02:01 PM (zDsvJ)

432 So the same liberal types who screech about "blaming the victim" in a sexual assault see nothing wrong with blaming the victim. -- "Bleeding heart liberals" -- don't think it's THEIR blood getting spilled.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 06, 2014 02:01 PM (gmrH5)

433 This is long but well worth reading. And remember, if Hillary is elected, this jerk will be back in the White House prowling the halls. http://www.wnd.com/2005/05/30492/

Posted by: Jen at May 06, 2014 02:02 PM (qcDPE)

434 The one time the women-hating Right does not believe in slut-shaming is the one time it can be used to slander a former and future President.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at May 06, 2014 02:03 PM (IHK0Z)

435 Yup, the Clintons, and the "feminists" and the Left who worship them, are absolute proof of what a mockery the claim of a "War on Women" actually is.

Both Clintons personify the claims, and they are considered elder statemen despite it.

But for Double Standards, the Left would have none at all.

Posted by: acethepug at May 06, 2014 02:03 PM (DFVVY)

436 Count me among the folks whose sympathies are reserved for Linda Tripp. That poor woman was put in an impossible situation by Lewinsky and Clinton. They told her to perjure herself or be made to look like she was a perjurer anyway when L&C commited THEIR perjury.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at May 06, 2014 02:09 PM (/AHDz)

437 >>437 Count me among the folks whose sympathies are reserved for Linda Tripp. Yep.

Posted by: Y-not at May 06, 2014 02:16 PM (zDsvJ)

438 By the way(hat tip to Victorygirls Blog for pointing this out), Ken Starr was appointed special prosecutor to investigate Clinton by Janet Reno. Clinton was her boss, yet she had the personal conviction to appt a special prosecutor to investigate him. Her assistant AG at the time? Eric Holder

Posted by: Jen at May 06, 2014 02:23 PM (qcDPE)

439 @59 ace "i'm really not sure how many of us could well survive a full vetting of our sexual pasts." None of us were running for POTUS. If you were worried about it, then maybe you should NOT seek out ther presidency.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at May 06, 2014 02:24 PM (gvSzo)

440 Monica was among a group of interns at orientation when she lifted her skirt to show a married man her thong underwear. And not just any man but POTUS. She was no babe in the woods. That takes balls. She also, if I recall correctly, slept with her high school theater teacher. I despise the Clintons and I even defended Monica against Democrats I know who trashed her because I felt he was 51% responsible and she was only 49% responsible but treated like she was 100% responsible. But they both/all (Clinton/Monica/Media) are still blaming the right for their crap. So now they can all rot together.

Posted by: Micihgan and Oiho at May 06, 2014 02:46 PM (vUUw0)

441 @ 438 >>437 Count me among the folks whose sympathies are reserved for Linda Tripp. Remember Ken Bacon of the Dept of Defense opening and leaking Tripp's employment records to the press? Pure Clinton playbook.

Posted by: EgbertSouseJr. at May 06, 2014 02:47 PM (3CA5o)

442 I am still disgusted that when people like Kathleen Willey came forward to say Clinton had groped them, it was Hillary who hired investigator Terry Lenzner to go after the complainants.

Posted by: Victoria at May 06, 2014 02:57 PM (rDidp)

443 @ 438 >>437 Count me among the folks whose sympathies are reserved for Linda Tripp. Exactly! They all would have let Linda Tripp hang for them if they could have. They all deserve to rot for what they did to Linda Tripp.

Posted by: Micihgan and Oiho at May 06, 2014 03:56 PM (vUUw0)

444 "Remember Ken Bacon of the Dept of Defense opening and leaking Tripp's employment records to the press? Pure Clinton playbook." =============== I've been a long-time admirer of that playbook.

Posted by: Barack Obama at May 06, 2014 05:26 PM (uaEZS)

445 Can't we just MoveOn.org? Yeah, it looks like they did. I just searched their website and no mentions of 'Monica' popped up. I am sure that MoveOn.org will be publishing a petition to force the latest recruits to the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy - Vanity Fair - to get back to doing the work of the people. Any day now...

Posted by: bigdaddygeo at May 06, 2014 08:18 PM (d4ZYR)

446 I remember a lot of companies were lying about their ernings during the Clinton years. It was the real decade of greed.

Posted by: demoncrat at May 07, 2014 01:16 AM (/u38w)

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