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January 10, 2014

The Human Foible of Believing Oneself Superior to Others Extends Even to... Prisoners
— Ace

Except on one count. We'll get to that.

They compared themselves in one survey to other prisoners (the average prisoner) and in the other survey to the average member of all society.

The results suggest low self-esteem is not among the prisonersÂ’ problems. Compared to their fellow inmates, Â“they rated themselves as more moral, kinder to others, more self-controlled, more law-abiding, more compassionate, more generous, more dependable, more trustworthy, and more honest.Â”
In addition, Â“Participants rated themselves as better than the average community member on all traits, with the exception of law-abidingness.Â” On that last point, the researchers report, Â“they rated themselves as equally law abidingÂ” as the average person, Â“which may be the most surprising of all, given their incarcerated status.Â”
This provides evidence of the robustÂ—and groundlessÂ—nature of the Â“better-than-average effect.Â”

On law-abidingess, inmates in stir are "average." In all other areas -- including kindness! -- they're better than average.

Hilarious.

Thanks to @rdbrewer4.

Posted by: Ace at 02:01 PM | Comments (193)
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1 I don't murder, beat, rape, or steal, so I am better than the average prisoner.

Posted by: fb at January 10, 2014 02:02 PM (1Zoh4)

2 I'm definitely smarter than the average bear.

Posted by: Meghan McCain, Titular Republican of Tomorrow at January 10, 2014 02:03 PM (8ZskC)

3 Gee, I wonder how much I paid for this study.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 10, 2014 02:03 PM (8ZskC)

4 I've never been caught so clearly I'm smarter and luckier than the average prisoner.

Posted by: Mætenloch at January 10, 2014 02:04 PM (pAlYe)

5 Just remember that half the population has a below average IQ. ...so there's that.

Posted by: dogfish at January 10, 2014 02:04 PM (nsOJa)

6 first?!
well at least above-average

Posted by: chemjeff at January 10, 2014 02:05 PM (2TXEZ)

7 Prisoners also considered themselves more rapey as well.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 10, 2014 02:06 PM (DpEwG)

8 At least I wasn't the implementer of Obamacare.

Posted by: Death row serial murderer at January 10, 2014 02:06 PM (nsOJa)

9 I'm a more sensitive lover than the average prisoner. So bend over, bitch.

Posted by: Bubba, Cellblock A at January 10, 2014 02:07 PM (8ZskC)

10 They also know about the three felonies a day thing. They just got caught.

Posted by: allenlou at January 10, 2014 02:07 PM (ENxn8)

Well, given that we're all committing 3++ felonies per day, I guess this stands to reason?

I mean, hell........ I just barely dodged the attention of a cop, as I was in the act of Aggrivated Jaywalking.

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at January 10, 2014 02:07 PM (vvk2F)

12 Did any of them say, "And gosh darn it, people like me."?

Posted by: Meremortal, Republicrats suck at January 10, 2014 02:07 PM (jTKU5)

13
I'm innocent, and all the bitches done did me wrong!

Posted by: OJ Simpson, #7519476 at January 10, 2014 02:07 PM (pJF+c)

14 How could low self-esteem be a prisoner's problem?

Shawshank is a movie. My brother's been to prison as long as you are above the bottom 3d of the pecking order and mind your business you're left alone. The guards don't screw with you at the state or Federal level, but local and county jails can be sporty.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 02:07 PM (TE35l)

15 They are more innocent too....

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at January 10, 2014 02:08 PM (akUbT)

16 My only crime is that I care too much.

Posted by: Bubba, Cellblock A at January 10, 2014 02:08 PM (8ZskC)

17 Thus disproving that low self esteem is the root of all self destructive and often impulsive behavior

Posted by: Thunderb at January 10, 2014 02:08 PM (zOTsN)

18 Sociopaths

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 10, 2014 02:08 PM (nTgAI)

19 Hmm. I bet Congress would react exactly the same way as prisoners.

Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 02:08 PM (MMC8r)

20 And better at anal.

Posted by: NCKate at January 10, 2014 02:08 PM (6SdCf)

21
I fail to see the significance here?

Perhaps one of you kind chaps would explain to me the better-than-average effect?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 02:08 PM (gYIst)

22 9 I'm a more sensitive lover than the average prisoner. So bend over, bitch.
Posted by: Bubba, Cellblock A

And I use lube. Mostly.

Posted by: Bubba, Cellblock A at January 10, 2014 02:08 PM (6TB1Z)

23 Murdering and raping people are acts of kindness and tender loving care.

Posted by: dantesed at January 10, 2014 02:09 PM (88xKn)

24 15 phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at January 10, 2014 06:08 PM (akUbT)

Not Morgan Freeman, he is the only guilty man in Shawshank...

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 02:09 PM (TE35l)

25 The results of the Jesse Jackson "I am....SOMEBODY!" nonsense........

Posted by: MtTB at January 10, 2014 02:10 PM (xehjI)

26 And then the fight began

Posted by: Thunderb at January 10, 2014 02:10 PM (zOTsN)

27 There is a lower incidence of PIV aggression in prison, so there's that.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 10, 2014 02:10 PM (8ZskC)

That describes Bush exactly as the liar he is to our black president.

Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at January 10, 2014 02:10 PM (AUndf)

29 Is it any wonder liberals are always pushing to give ex-cons voting privileges? Natural constituency.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2014 02:10 PM (g1DWB)

30
I'm the model prisoner and should be granted parole after my sentencing. Also, I've only engaged in a few lesbian experiences, and that's a record in this institution.

Write my honey and we can hook-up after I'm released on good behavior.

Posted by: Jodi Arias at January 10, 2014 02:10 PM (pJF+c)

31 scrunt alert, for those who desperately need to avoid food:

http://tinyurl.com/mrua2ur

Posted by: Mallfly at January 10, 2014 02:10 PM (bJm7W)

32 Humility is an under-appreciated virtue.

Posted by: Socrateae at January 10, 2014 02:11 PM (1jViy)

33 Oh, that is hilarious! They're just as law-abiding as the rest of us, the prisons are filled with innocents who have been gamed by the system.

Posted by: Peaches at January 10, 2014 02:11 PM (8lmkt)

34 Dear kindly Sergeant Krupke, You gotta understand, It's just our bringin' up-ke That gets us out of hand. Our mothers all are junkies, Our fathers all are drunks. Golly Moses, natcherly we're punks!

Posted by: Thunderb at January 10, 2014 02:12 PM (zOTsN)

35
I've had more butt-pussy in prison that I ever had in LA!

Posted by: Big Daddy Schlong at January 10, 2014 02:12 PM (pJF+c)

36 I'm honest and forthright! Ask anybody, other than the guy I shanked!

Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 02:12 PM (MMC8r)

37 so they're all better than average. well. in school, didn't they all get "A" for everything?

Posted by: Mallfly at January 10, 2014 02:13 PM (bJm7W)

38 Interesting. Didn't the current First Lady have some words about living in the White House, just last year?

Posted by: mrp at January 10, 2014 02:13 PM (HjPtV)

39 The guards don't screw with you at the state or Federal level, but local and county jails can be sporty. Any long-time guard will look around and realize that most of the time they're basically at the mercy of their inmates. They're unarmed and wildly outnumbered. If you're among lifers, those guys have almost nothing to lose. What are you going to do? Take away TV for six months? The guys that want to whip out their sadism have a tendency to get hurt.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 02:13 PM (8ifMA)

40 Gee, Officer Krupke, we're very upset; We never had the love that ev'ry child oughta get. We ain't no delinquents, We're misunderstood. Deep down inside us there is good!

Posted by: Thunderb at January 10, 2014 02:13 PM (zOTsN)

41 I honestly needed a banana.

Posted by: The Banana Bandit at January 10, 2014 02:13 PM (DpEwG)

42 Dear kindly Judge, your Honor, My parents treat me rough. With all their marijuana, They won't give me a puff. They didn't wanna have me, But somehow I was had. Leapin' lizards! That's why I'm so bad!

Posted by: Thunderb at January 10, 2014 02:13 PM (zOTsN)

43 I'm innocent, I swear. And I'm a really nice person too.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 10, 2014 02:14 PM (cVvbj)

44
It sounds like prisoners rate themselves relatively, according to life in prison.

As a person residing in prison, I might believe I was a "good" person if I went a whole day/week/month without committing a crime, whereas a person living on the outside might have a higher bar of 'goodness' that includes actual acts to demonstrate that quality.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 02:14 PM (gYIst)

45 Obama probably thinks his Mideast policy is far superior to Bush's. It is like a Bosch painting with keffiyahs and Qurans over there.

Posted by: Beagle at January 10, 2014 02:14 PM (sOtz/)

46
I've never tossed salad in lockup, but I have received a little head.

Posted by: OJ Simpson, #7519476 at January 10, 2014 02:14 PM (pJF+c)

47 New horror film trailer from Eli Roth:

Clown: http://tinyurl.com/n2sz436

Fuck, I hate clowns.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 10, 2014 02:14 PM (TM1p8)

48 Officer Krupke, you're really a square; This boy don't need a judge, he needs an analyst's care! It's just his neurosis that oughta be curbed. He's psychologic'ly disturbed!

Posted by: Thunderb at January 10, 2014 02:14 PM (zOTsN)

49 33 Peaches at January 10, 2014 06:11 PM (8lmkt)

They are RULES observing ma'am not ethical.

Trust me a prisoner who is gonna make it through can tell you exactly what the internal system is.

The average "real" criminal's problem is an inability to properly gauge risk/reward ratios.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 02:14 PM (TE35l)

50 We're all the heroes of our own drama.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 02:15 PM (8ifMA)

51 My father is a bastard, My ma's an S.O.B. My grandpa's always plastered, My grandma pushes tea. My sister wears a mustache, My brother wears a dress. Goodness gracious, that's why I'm a mess!

Posted by: Thunderb at January 10, 2014 02:15 PM (zOTsN)

52 They were asking for it. The sheets were almost never properly ironed.

Posted by: The Menendez Bros. at January 10, 2014 02:15 PM (8ZskC)

53 33 Oh, that is hilarious! They're just as law-abiding as the rest of us, the prisons are filled with innocents who have been gamed by the system.

Posted by: Peaches at January 10, 2014 06:11 PM (8lmkt)

Not saying their innocent snowflakes, but everyone is committing a felony now days. Hell I couldn't count how many people could have been tagged for felony dangerous driving if a cop was just bored today. Speeding while the weathers cold could easily be argued up to reckless driving and endangering others.

Posted by: allenlou at January 10, 2014 02:15 PM (ENxn8)

54 'Self-report is notorious for inaccuracy.' Now I know psychology is not big among conservatives, but you have to agree with this one. It's kinda psycho-babble for 'people lie'. Period.

Posted by: Psychology 101 [/i] at January 10, 2014 02:15 PM (3B0GZ)

55 Moronette Alert: I have a dear ette friend who is sick, depressed, broke and alone. I'm taking her some over-the-counter medicine and flowers. What else to cheer someone in this condition, ettes? Chocolate? She has tea, so I'll make that when I get there. Thanks!

Posted by: Meremortal, Republicrats suck at January 10, 2014 02:15 PM (jTKU5)

56
Butt sex in prison is a normal thing, and the only thing that matters is who's the catcher.

Posted by: Charlie Manson at January 10, 2014 02:15 PM (pJF+c)

57 We're all prisoners, in our own way.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 10, 2014 02:16 PM (CofEF)

58 Perhaps they wouldn't be in prison if they esteemed others half as much as they esteemed themselves.

Posted by: Wapo fact checker at January 10, 2014 02:16 PM (hFL/3)

59 You know what prisoners the prisoners really hate? Rapists and child molesters. It's somebody they can feel superior to. Those two types of sex offenders usually have a dicey time of it in stir, or so I've heard.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 10, 2014 02:16 PM (xm1A1)

60 ♫ Anything Ace can do, I can do better
I can do anything better than Ace! ♬
☝

Posted by: prisoner #1509716 at January 10, 2014 02:16 PM (PK+r9)

61 Off lying sack of shit sock.

Posted by: Lauren at January 10, 2014 02:17 PM (hFL/3)

62 39 bonhomme at January 10, 2014 06:13 PM (8ifMA)

for the most part very true....there's a reason the inmates can get contraband.."guards"

The state and who is in office at the Federal level impact the wiggle room they give the lower levels of the prisoner experience but "Sheriff Joe" is the exception not the rule and his rep is overstated to a degree.

He is actually very mild with the female pop.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 02:17 PM (TE35l)

63 Its Dr. fucking Amy Bishop and don't you forget it!

Posted by: Dr. Amy Bishop at January 10, 2014 02:17 PM (g1DWB)

64
My jail time was a great experience, and I didn't have to eat taco!

Posted by: Paris Hilton at January 10, 2014 02:17 PM (pJF+c)

65 Butt sex in prison is a normal thing, and the only thing that matters is who's the catcher. It's also remarkably less rapey than you'd think. Oh there's a lot of sex going on, but most of it's consensual.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 02:17 PM (8ifMA)

66 OT Obamacare Contractor Fired.

They're gonna need a few more buses...

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 10, 2014 02:17 PM (5ikDv)

67 Ace posted this just to lord it over those of us that spent a day or two in jail in their wild youth. But I'm a better man than he is and won't rise to the bait.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 10, 2014 02:18 PM (9SU2W)

68 This survey was taken in an English prison, according to the article.

Could just as easily have been taken in Congress. Or the White House.

Describes all those little self-anointed tin gods and Choom Boy as much as it does guys who have been pinched.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 10, 2014 02:18 PM (ff7/5)

69 Big Anus strikes again.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 10, 2014 02:18 PM (DpEwG)

70 Don't drop the soap .... Unless you want to

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at January 10, 2014 02:19 PM (akUbT)

71
The food is jail is not as good as Taco Bell!

Posted by: George Zimmerman at January 10, 2014 02:19 PM (pJF+c)

72 Your honour, we appeal for leniency, the defendant only planned to kill his mother, so there is zero chance of him recommitting the crime.

Posted by: fb at January 10, 2014 02:19 PM (1Zoh4)

73 Did I ever tell you guys about the "razor blade in the ass" trick? It's hilarious.

Posted by: Malcolm X at January 10, 2014 02:19 PM (8ZskC)

74 ♪ I just met an Ewok named Aaaaace ♫

Posted by: Jets gang leader at January 10, 2014 02:20 PM (PK+r9)

75 It doesn't surprise me that felons tend to believe that they are no worse than average and just happen to be the ones that got caught. Don't most criminals - and many other people - think that they are just caught up in an unjust system?

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 10, 2014 02:20 PM (w6bnq)

76 Excuse me, do you have any Grey Poupon ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 10, 2014 02:21 PM (nTgAI)

77 I framed all of them.

Posted by: The Man at January 10, 2014 02:22 PM (sOtz/)

78
Obviously the prisoners' high self-esteem is caused by the racism inherent in our system.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 10, 2014 02:22 PM (kdS6q)

79 It doesn't surprise me that felons tend to believe that they are no worse than average and just happen to be the ones that got caught. Don't most criminals - and many other people - think that they are just caught up in an unjust system? A lot of bad people have GREAT self-esteem. They're not so good at empathy.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 02:22 PM (8ifMA)

80 You carve one swastika into your forehead and suddenly everyone assumes you're a bad guy.

Posted by: Charlie Manson at January 10, 2014 02:22 PM (8ZskC)

81 Posted by: Thunderb at January 10, 2014 06:14 PM (zOTsN) Hilarious. Where is that from? Something specific or from your fertile mind?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 10, 2014 02:22 PM (oFCZn)

82 Thanks, Thunderb, now I have "America" running through my mind!

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 10, 2014 02:22 PM (PK+r9)

83 Criminal and "caring." Sounds like a political party I know.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: chili con carne at January 10, 2014 02:23 PM (IXrOn)

84 And the House passed a one-sentence bill requiring HHS to notify individuals if their Obamacare info has been hacked or otherwised compromised. Within two days. Passed something like 291-122 with lots of Dem votes. The Hill reports that next week, the House will debate a bill requiring a weekly report from HHS that must report Obamacare enrollment data and software glitches. h/t instapundit.com

Posted by: mrp at January 10, 2014 02:23 PM (HjPtV)

85 West Side Story, Dack.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 10, 2014 02:24 PM (PK+r9)

86 In fairness, liars are going to lie even on an anonymous survey. It's who they are.

Posted by: tobias smoot-bandicoot at January 10, 2014 02:24 PM (QupBk)

87 It doesn't surprise me that felons tend to believe that they are no worse than average and just happen to be the ones that got caught. At least in the earlier seasons, that was a running joke on The Rockford Files. Â“No, I really was innocent, I got a pardon.Â” Â“Sure, Jimmy.Â”

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 10, 2014 02:25 PM (QF8uk)

88 I once was lost, but now am found. That was a song once, right?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 10, 2014 02:25 PM (l0lja)

89 And they're all gayer than me, too. I make sure of that.

Posted by: Bubba at January 10, 2014 02:25 PM (MMC8r)

90 All PIA must be rape, right? Using the evil penis premise of the feminists.

Posted by: Beagle at January 10, 2014 02:25 PM (sOtz/)

91 >>>They compared themselves in one survey to other prisoners (the average prisoner) and in the other survey to the average member of all society.

From the link:
They then filled out a second survey, in which they rated how they compared to Â“the average member of the communityÂ” on all of the above characteristics.

I wonder if "all society" and "the community" are the same in the minds of the prisoners taking survey. If I lived in a prison, I might well think that "the community" was the prison. They did previously ask specifically about the prison population, so perhaps the surveyors assumed that the prisoners would realize that they meant society at large when they used the "community" language, but I wonder if the prisoners answered that way.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 10, 2014 02:25 PM (IN7k+)

92
Thanks, Thunderb, now I have "America" running through my mind!

I'm hearing BREAD.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 02:25 PM (gYIst)

93 Duke: The lights are growing dim Otto. I know a life of crime has led me to this sorry fate, and yet, I blame society. Society made me what I am. Otto: That's bullshit. You're a white suburban punk just like me. Duke: Yeah, but it still hurts.

Posted by: Morally Superior Dude at January 10, 2014 02:25 PM (PeY9o)

94 swap in "politician" for "Prisoner/inmate" and I don't think you need change another word of it.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at January 10, 2014 02:26 PM (XrGnJ)

95 85 West Side Story, Dack. Posted by: andycanuck at January 10, 2014 06:24 PM (PK+r9) Thanks. Never seen it. Not a musical fan.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 10, 2014 02:26 PM (oFCZn)

96 How does Lane Kiffin keep getting hired?

Posted by: steevy at January 10, 2014 02:26 PM (zqvg6)

97 Obama should be in prison and he thinks he's better than everyone

Posted by: Navypopojoe at January 10, 2014 02:26 PM (/y16L)

98 55 Magazines, books, movies. Soup and lotiony Kleenex, for the sniffles.

Posted by: NCKate at January 10, 2014 02:26 PM (6SdCf)

99 "What we have here..... ....is a Fail-ure to communicate..."

Posted by: Meremortal, 50 eggs, no problem at January 10, 2014 02:27 PM (jTKU5)

100 I'm a more sensitive lover than the average prisoner. So would you please bend over, bitch.

FIFY

Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 10, 2014 02:27 PM (kqqGm)

101 This book was a good read: Inside The Criminal Mind by Stanton Samenow Ph.D. He discusses a lot of these issues in a clear-headed way. He is not a big fan of rehabilitation, thinks it is very difficult to get a criminal to change the basic way of thinking that makes them who they are. I briefly would summarize it thusly: The evolution of the criminal mind starts with learning patterns of manipulation early in life that enable him to negotiate the real world without consequences. The thought process becomes twisted into a sense of entitlement and distorted "self logic" and a belief that the rules others live by don't apply to him. At some point, the budding criminal makes a conscious decision to behave the way he does, as opposed to being shaped by outside forces

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2014 02:27 PM (g4TxM)

102
I almost put those guilty sons of bitches in jail except for a few nosy reporters and a couple of asshole lawyers.

Posted by: Mike Nifong at January 10, 2014 02:27 PM (pJF+c)

103 We also like Lea Dunham's 'Girls.' We watch that, and suddenly it don't look so bad here.

Posted by: Bubba at January 10, 2014 02:27 PM (MMC8r)

104 One of you is really Rita Moreno, right?

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2014 02:27 PM (P6QsQ)

105 Posted by: Meremortal, Republicrats suck at January 10, 2014 06:15 PM (jTKU5) Depending on how much you want to spend, a gift certificate for a mani-pedi or massage, with some extra to cover a tip.

Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 02:28 PM (HBIUw)

106 Speaking of male male sex, gonorrhea increased 4% and syphilis 11% in the US according to the CDC. Which group was the biggest contributor? Guys who prefer guys.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 02:28 PM (8ifMA)

107
maybe Monty Kiffin has lewd photos of some people?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 02:28 PM (gYIst)

108 Posted by: NCKate Thanks!

Posted by: Meremortal, 50 eggs, no problem at January 10, 2014 02:28 PM (jTKU5)

109
Jail can be a very demeaning experience, but it also serves the public by keeping dangerous people off the streets. I learned this from a private source.

Posted by: Patches Kennedy at January 10, 2014 02:28 PM (pJF+c)

110 97 Obama should be in prison and he thinks he's better than everyone Posted by: Navypopojoe at January 10, 2014 06:26 PM (/y16L) I was going to say let's have Barry take that survey but we already know how that will turn out.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 10, 2014 02:29 PM (oFCZn)

111 Posted by: Vendette Yes, thanks, good one with the massage etc.!

Posted by: Meremortal, 50 eggs, no problem at January 10, 2014 02:29 PM (jTKU5)

112 How does Lane Kiffin keep getting hired? By Saban. I'm shocked frankly. Btw, Lord Saban is going to put the evil hoodoo on Nussmeier. The guy has a rule, assistant coaches can leave him to take a Head Coaching job, and he will bless and help them all he can. But if you leave to take another assistant job, he takes it as a slap in the face.

Posted by: tobias smoot-bandicoot at January 10, 2014 02:29 PM (QupBk)

113
I took a lot of cock in prison, and don't want to ever experience that again.

Posted by: Michael Skakel at January 10, 2014 02:30 PM (pJF+c)

114 Not saying their innocent snowflakes, but everyone is committing a felony now days. Hell I couldn't count how many people could have been tagged for felony dangerous driving if a cop was just bored today. Speeding while the weathers cold could easily be argued up to reckless driving and endangering others.
Posted by: allenlou at January 10, 2014 06:15 PM (ENxn

True but the average person in prison != the average person. There's a big difference between second degree rape-rape and reckless driving and aggravated littering.

Posted by: Mætenloch at January 10, 2014 02:30 PM (pAlYe)

115 59 You know what prisoners the prisoners really hate? Rapists and child molesters. It's somebody they can feel superior to. Those two types of sex offenders usually have a dicey time of it in stir, or so I've heard. Posted by: OregonMuse at January 10, 2014 06:16 PM (xm1A1) ____ I don't think it's feeling superior as much as child molesters are universally despised. You steal a car or deal crack or whatever....you still get disgusted by child molesters. And to a lesser extent rape.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 10, 2014 02:30 PM (cVvbj)

116 @96 Must be his hot wife. Kiffin's original claim to fame was recruiting well (good so far) for USC (easiest job in the world).

Posted by: Beagle at January 10, 2014 02:30 PM (sOtz/)

117 The evolution of the criminal mind starts with learning patterns of manipulation early in life that enable him to negotiate the real world without consequences. Hey, me too!

Posted by: B. Clinton at January 10, 2014 02:30 PM (MMC8r)

118 65 Butt sex in prison is a normal thing, and the only thing that matters is who's the catcher. It's also remarkably less rapey than you'd think. Oh there's a lot of sex going on, but most of it's consensual. PIV == Rape PIB == Tuesday.

Posted by: wooga at January 10, 2014 02:30 PM (bKjIH)

119 re 90: no, because one guy doesn't force himself on another guy to get him pregnant.

once again, let's let Lady PIV speak:

"...intercourse is inherently harmful to women and intentionally so, because it causes pregnancy in women. The purpose of men enforcing intercourse regularly (as in, more than once a month) onto women is because itÂ’s the surest way to cause pregnancy and force childbearing against our will, and thereby gain control over our reproductive powers"

also, and I do not believe you can make this stuff up:

"If we look at the act in more detail (skip this parag if you canÂ’t take it), PIV is a man mounting on a woman to thrust a large member of himself into her most intimate parts, often forcing her to be entirely naked, banging himself against her with the whole weight of his body and hips, shaking her like he would stuff a corpse, then using her insides as a receptacle for his penile dejection. How is this a normal civilised, respectful way to treat anyone? Sorry for the explicit picture, but this is what it is and itÂ’s absolutely revolting and violating."

Posted by: Mallfly at January 10, 2014 02:31 PM (bJm7W)

120 A boy like that, who killed your brother Forget that boy, and find another

Posted by: Thunderb at January 10, 2014 02:31 PM (zOTsN)

121 Fortified with ette suggestions, I'm off to help someone in need. Which will make my day. Be back after rehearsal for the ONT.

Posted by: Meremortal, 50 eggs, no problem at January 10, 2014 02:31 PM (jTKU5)

122 55 Moronette Alert: I have a dear ette friend who is sick, depressed, broke and alone. I'm taking her some over-the-counter medicine and flowers. What else to cheer someone in this condition, ettes? Chocolate? She has tea, so I'll make that when I get there. Thanks! Posted by: Meremortal, Republicrats suck at January 10, 2014 06:15 PM (jTKU5) **** CHOCOLATE.

Posted by: Alien #603 at January 10, 2014 02:31 PM (RJMhd)

123
Prison straightened me out and made me a better person. I no longer drink or drug, and plan on living a life of abstinence and purity.

Posted by: Lindsey Lohan at January 10, 2014 02:32 PM (pJF+c)

124
btw, isn't it funny how just weeks after Caroline Kennedy gets herself a high ranking govt position, a judge releases her murderer-cousin and grants him a new trial?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 02:32 PM (gYIst)

125 I bet PIV lady is a bitter spinster shrew with the worlds largest dildo collection.

Posted by: steevy at January 10, 2014 02:32 PM (zqvg6)

126 Fortified with ette suggestions, I'm off to help someone in need.

Which will make my day.

Be back after rehearsal for the ONT.

Posted by: Meremortal, 50 eggs, no problem at January 10, 2014 06:31 PM (jTKU5)

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God bless you, and your friend as well.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2014 02:32 PM (P6QsQ)

127 "If we look at the act in more detail (skip this parag if you canÂ’t take
it), PIV is a man mounting on a woman to thrust a large member of
himself into her most intimate parts, often forcing her to be entirely
naked, banging himself against her with the whole weight of his body and
hips, shaking her like he would stuff a corpse, then using her insides
as a receptacle for his penile dejection. How is this a normal
civilised, respectful way to treat anyone? Sorry for the explicit
picture, but this is what it is and itÂ’s absolutely revolting and
violating."

Posted by: Mallfly at January 10, 2014 06:31 PM

She's not quite ready for the romance novel genre.

Posted by: huerfano at January 10, 2014 02:33 PM (bAGA/)

128 I don't know shit about the UK prison system except that it is supposed to be gnarley but don't most 'European' type Countries allow weekend passes and such? These guys could be spending some time in the actual community.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 10, 2014 02:33 PM (EnFCB)

129
Skakel's appeals were denied, denied, denied, ... and then right after his cousing is appointed as a US Diplomat, his appeal is granted!

Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 02:33 PM (gYIst)

130 I'd be curious to see how Japanese prisoners rate themselves.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 10, 2014 02:34 PM (IyKYr)

131 I have a dear ette friend who is sick, depressed, broke and alone. Would she be interested in going to church with you, or someone else?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 02:34 PM (8ifMA)

132 It's also remarkably less rapey than you'd think. Oh there's a lot of sex going on, but most of it's consensual. We call those 'house parties!'

Posted by: A. Sullivan at January 10, 2014 02:34 PM (MMC8r)

133 101 Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2014 06:27 PM (g4TxM)

Add in the more sociopathic leaning morals, and as I said the risk and reward ratio dissonance and "voila."

Prison did not reform my brother "structurally" it taught him "mostly" he does not like prison. He gained a few skills I guess, he learned canine training and basic heating and air. He is mostly clean and straight but he never will be entirely because ~11 years old he decided the society owed him something for the pain we endured.

I was blessed enough to have good people who loved me as a foster family. It is never easy to wonder if you should have done more. Kids have a hard time raising kids.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 02:34 PM (TE35l)

134 So by this equation Joe Biden must be in Super Max.

Posted by: Alien #603 at January 10, 2014 02:34 PM (RJMhd)

135 What with the lawlessness of this administration and government agencies generally, I don't think it's a stretch for a criminal to imagine oneself on equal footing.

Posted by: sawhorse at January 10, 2014 02:34 PM (e1h7z)

136 Be back after rehearsal for the ONT. ***** What? We're having rehearsals now? When did this start?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2014 02:34 PM (g4TxM)

137 I have a dear ette friend who is sick, depressed, broke and alone. I'm taking her some over-the-counter medicine and flowers. sick how? enough where she can't get out? and, too broke to buy food? a bag or two of groceries... healthy food

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: chili con carne at January 10, 2014 02:35 PM (IXrOn)

138 If I'm not the first one to say it, I'll repeat it: They'd get the same results if they surveyed Democrats.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 10, 2014 02:35 PM (VjL9S)

139 I suspect the prisoners ARE average law-abiders - at least in number of laws broken. Prisoners differ from the average unincarcerated citizenry, though, in that 1) the prisoners choose more serious laws to violate than the average unincarcerated law-abider, 2) the prisoners possess below-average common sense compared to average, unincarcerated law abiders, and 3) as a result, the prisoners got caught (obviously, or they wouldn't be prisoners, right?).

Posted by: Jazz at January 10, 2014 02:35 PM (roO4n)

140 What? We're having rehearsals now? When did this start?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2014 06:34 PM (g4TxM)

---------------

Dang. Someone let the cat out of the bag, and now he knows.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2014 02:35 PM (P6QsQ)

141 I guess there's no such thing as gay rape to the radfems?

Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 02:36 PM (MMC8r)

142 http://tinyurl.com/mrua2ur

Posted by: Mallfly at January 10, 2014 06:10 PM (bJm7W)

Hard to see the bias in that article...seems pretty fair and balanced to me.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 10, 2014 02:36 PM (yh0zB)

143 Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 06:34 PM (TE35l) **** I think you are right about the risk/reward analysis being skewed. Can't see past the end of their nose in terms of cause and effect, so to speak.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2014 02:36 PM (g4TxM)

144 115 Mr. Moo Moo at January 10, 2014 06:30 PM (cVvbj)

Prisoners have a higher(but not as pervasive as Hollywood portrays) exposure to toxic childhoods. They are offended at the victimization of a child and the one thing that triggers hot flashes of empathy is the thought of child victims. Cops are the "designated" villain of their culture and generate the same passion.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 02:36 PM (TE35l)

145 Skakel's appeals were denied, denied, denied, ... and then right after his cousing is appointed as a US Diplomat, his appeal is granted!

Where's the quid pro quo? Or am I that dense?

Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 10, 2014 02:36 PM (kqqGm)

146 oh my goodness, Rita Moreno is 82 years old now.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2014 02:37 PM (P6QsQ)

147 anyway, a lot of people in prison do kind of agree with Obama's "you didn't build that" and "it's good to spread the wealth around" philosophy, so it's no surprise they have a pretty good opinion of themselves.

Posted by: Mallfly at January 10, 2014 02:37 PM (bJm7W)

148 55
Moronette Alert:

I have a dear ette friend who is sick, depressed, broke and alone. I'm taking her some over-the-counter medicine and flowers.

What else to cheer someone in this condition, ettes?

Posted by: Meremortal, Republicrats suck

Shoes.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 10, 2014 02:38 PM (DpEwG)

149 I don't know --couldn't this be a little like the chicken and egg problem? Maybe arrogance caused these guys to think they deserve other people's stuff. And arrogance made them think they were too smart to get caught.

Posted by: Alien #603 at January 10, 2014 02:38 PM (RJMhd)

150 @119 I saw Penile Dejection open for Joy Division in Newcastle in 79.

Posted by: Beagle at January 10, 2014 02:38 PM (sOtz/)

151 Shoes. Posted by: Dr Spank at January 10, 2014 06:38 PM (DpEwG) @$$ j/k - See Jimmy Choo shoes MPPP linked this morning ;-)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: chili con carne at January 10, 2014 02:39 PM (IXrOn)

152 What? We're having rehearsals now? When did this start? Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2014 06:34 PM (g4TxM) After Cochran's dance recital went off so well Ace decided we're staging something. I'm thinking about shooting myself in the leg to get out of it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 10, 2014 02:39 PM (oFCZn)

153 oh my goodness, Rita Moreno is 82 years old now. Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2014 06:37 PM (P6QsQ) I had to look up who she was. Now, I get it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: chili con carne at January 10, 2014 02:40 PM (IXrOn)

154 I think you have to look at it from the prisoner's perspective.

In other words think like a sociopath and everything they say and do makes sense.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 10, 2014 02:40 PM (kqqGm)

155 I believe women also like cleaning products, but I'm single so don't hold me to that.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 10, 2014 02:40 PM (DpEwG)

156 re 139: I get the impression that a lot of people in jail think that (a) they won't get caught or (b) they don't care if they do get caught because they know they won't get caught the next time.

Posted by: Mallfly at January 10, 2014 02:40 PM (bJm7W)

157 As far as I can tell, Levin hasn't mentioned McConnell....

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: chili con carne at January 10, 2014 02:40 PM (IXrOn)

158

Looks like all that self-esteem crap they were fed in school really worked for them, and encourage them to become successful... um, criminals. Nice work social scienceytists!

Well, depends on how you define "success" I guess.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at January 10, 2014 02:40 PM (b9fEe)

159 don't most 'European' type Countries allow weekend passes and such? I don't know most countries, but I do know you don't want to go to jail in France. There was a prison doctor who wrote a book about her experience. Something like half of the inmates haven't ever been convicted. Skin and respiratory disease are common, and untreated. They have a nasty habit of putting young guys with minor offenses into cells with hardened criminals who committed major offenses.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 02:40 PM (8ifMA)

160 154 John P. Squibob at January 10, 2014 06:40 PM (kqqGm)

I don't get it, everything looks the same....

//Barry at 1600 PA Ave

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 02:41 PM (TE35l)

161 I'd be curious to see how Japanese prisoners rate themselves. Posted by: Serious Cat Exactly as they are told.

Posted by: 看守 at January 10, 2014 02:42 PM (CMnyV)

162 I watched a lot of a show on Netflix called, "Lockdown" about different prisons and prisoners. The one thing the prisoners seemed to have in common was a maturity level you expect to find in a 13 year old. Some even less mature. Petty, stupid and with a sense of entitlement. Everything was "unfair" to them. There were a few who seemed like they may have turned around but probably just a couple.

Posted by: Dang at January 10, 2014 02:42 PM (MNq6o)

163 oh my goodness, Rita Moreno is 82 years old now. And conceivably still hittable http://is.gd/eTvhKl

Posted by: tobias smoot-bandicoot at January 10, 2014 02:43 PM (QupBk)

164 Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 06:41 PM (TE35l)

<genuflects>

Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 10, 2014 02:43 PM (kqqGm)

165 Petty, stupid and with a sense of entitlement. Everything was "unfair" to them. There were a few who seemed like they may have turned around but probably just a couple. Maybe we could train them to be journalists.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 10, 2014 02:43 PM (QF8uk)

166 159 don't most 'European' type Countries allow weekend passes and such? I don't know most countries, but I do know you don't want to go to jail in France. There was a prison doctor who wrote a book about her experience. Something like half of the inmates haven't ever been convicted. Skin and respiratory disease are common, and untreated. They have a nasty habit of putting young guys with minor offenses into cells with hardened criminals who committed major offenses. Posted by: bonhomme at January 10, 2014 06:40 PM (8ifMA) ****** Me likey!

Posted by: Big Bubba at January 10, 2014 02:44 PM (RJMhd)

167 One projects. If one is incapable of committing a crime or a particular immoral act, they view others more positively as a consequence. The reverse is also true.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 10, 2014 02:44 PM (DmNpO)

168 We're still looking for a "Maria", Seamus. (hint; hint)

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 10, 2014 02:44 PM (PK+r9)

169

Former Reagan Press Sec Larry Speakes has died. One of his finest moments: gjs.me/?r2

(via twitter)

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 10, 2014 02:45 PM (/g5vp)

170 Who has the highest self esteem? Serial killers and dictators to name two.

Posted by: Beagle at January 10, 2014 02:45 PM (sOtz/)

171 164 John P. Squibob at January 10, 2014 06:43 PM (kqqGm)

You there, I need my wugu!

//Barry at 1600 PA Ave

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 02:45 PM (TE35l)

172 When you're a Jet, You're a Jet all the way From your first cigarette To your last dyin' day.

Posted by: tobias smoot-bandicoot at January 10, 2014 02:45 PM (QupBk)

173 You know the answers to that survey could apply exactly to SCoaMF. Perhaps especially to SCoaMF. What are the odds?

Criminal minds are pathological. That's SCoaMF.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 10, 2014 02:46 PM (eHIJJ)

174 And why didn't you come to me like a man and tell me there was a new thread?

Posted by: tobias smoot-bandicoot at January 10, 2014 02:46 PM (QupBk)

175 Go to prison in Scandanavia. Better than college dorms. Norway looks especially nice.

Posted by: Beagle at January 10, 2014 02:47 PM (sOtz/)

176 What? We're having rehearsals now? When did this start?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2014 06:34 PM (g4TxM)

You thought all that wit in the ONT was spontaneous? A crack team of SNL joke writers toils for hours on that stuff.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 10, 2014 02:47 PM (8ZskC)

177 Chicken soup Tea People and In Style magazines Something warm and fuzzy Something chocolate

Posted by: Thunderb at January 10, 2014 02:47 PM (zOTsN)

178 In all other areas -- including kindness! -- they're better than average. Interesting. So prisons are like Lake Woebegone?

Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2014 02:49 PM (sdi6R)

179
nood ace

Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 02:49 PM (gYIst)

180 I taught a class in prison once. You don't have to worry about discipline, that's for sure, or even not doing assignments. They so much as sneeze and they're out of there and don't get the brownie (parole) points. At first I thought they were pretty charming and I guess they were, after a fashion. But it doesn't take long to see that for 90% of them it's all manipulation all the time. And everything is just going through the motions. Very depressing.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 10, 2014 02:49 PM (dfYL9)

181 The law....is a human institution.

Posted by: model_1066 at January 10, 2014 02:50 PM (LIQGY)

182 uhh ok I clicked the main link..

Yeah the prisoner story reinforces everything I already thought about self-esteem.. but did you see the cover story for the magazine?

"Why Women aren't welcome on the internet"..

uhhh what? That war on women has gone to the internet, where only females have been insulted or threatened.

mmmmkkayy serious what the fuck! War. on. women.

WE. ARE. FUCKED.

Posted by: what a bastard at January 10, 2014 02:51 PM (TcDKW)

183 I have a dear ette friend who is sick, depressed, broke and alone. I'm taking her some over-the-counter medicine and flowers.

What else to cheer someone in this condition, ettes?

Chocolate? She has tea, so I'll make that when I get there.

Thanks!

Posted by: Meremortal, Republicrats suck at January 10, 2014 06:15 PM (jTKU5)

chicken soup, a kind ear and hugs.

watch those hands!

Posted by: willow at January 10, 2014 02:56 PM (nqBYe)

184 My aunt's no-good stepson got out of prison (for drug crimes, natch) almost a year ago. He is an absolute preening douche, convinced he is smarter than EVERYONE because (at 40) he has managed to keep a job for 6 months and stay mostly sober. That's it. He's living with my aunt because he can't make enough to move on his own, she pays for his car insurance and car because he can't afford them, pays for his cell phone, and is currently paying for several of his offspring (clothes, medicine, cell phones, car insurance for the oldest). Oh, yeah, and he is also Super Dad and totally blew my aunt off when he got back and let his oldest daughter go spend the weekends with her BFF "Katie." My aunt was like, "she doesn't have a friend Katie; she's trying to get knocked-up before her boyfriend goes to a different town for school." Fast forward 4 months, and now Super Dad is furious because his stupid 17-year-old daughter got pregnant.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2014 03:05 PM (EBoCD)

185 All that to say, this survey rings true to me.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 10, 2014 03:05 PM (EBoCD)

186 I worked in a prison for a bit. Had to have an "inmate assistant", usually used just to carry tools and clean up. Had one who used to tell me what a great father he was- he was my age. Had 10 kids from 10 different women, all the kids were either on welfare or also jailbirds, he had spent half his adult life in and out of jail for petty crimes, and was 100% entirely and fully convinced he was a great father.

Self delusion knows no bounds.

Posted by: Gospace at January 10, 2014 03:32 PM (FpAu0)

187 The problem with self-esteem isn't that there's too little of it, it's that there's too much.

Posted by: fb at January 10, 2014 03:44 PM (1Zoh4)

188 Prison used to be for punishment. Heh.

Posted by: Erowmero at January 10, 2014 04:33 PM (OONaw)

189 This is because most of their peers are criminal scum, and so they believe most people out there are also criminal scum. Meanwhile, they view themselves as decent people who happen to have been unfairly persecuted for a minor, unimportant deviation from societal norms. Seriously. Talk to a felon some time. This is how they think: "But my cousin is a fuckin' murderer, and my sister is a crack-smoking ho! All I did was point an unloaded gun at a store clerk 'cuz I needed money for rent 'cuz I couldn't find a good job 'cuz of racism. I dint do nuffin!"

Posted by: Daily Reminder Guy at January 10, 2014 05:02 PM (6j8ke)

190 Pfft. The truly great criminals know what they are and are honest with themselves about it. With increased self-awareness, also, they are less likely to be caught and imprisoned.

Posted by: Moron Labe! at January 10, 2014 08:02 PM (+CP1/)

191 "Three Felonies a Day" Plus, just about anything published by Radley Balko. (See also, prosecutorial misconduct.) The only reason you are not in prison is because you haven't been 'caught', yet.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at January 11, 2014 04:48 AM (klGLB)

192 55 Music heals the soul. The Beatles always works for me.

Posted by: nannyhag at January 11, 2014 09:36 AM (39IHH)

193 Crime is an IQ test. Prison is a failing grade. As an undergrad I interviewed max-security hard case prisoners for a sweet work-release program they all wanted to get into. I learned: Everyone in prison is innocent. Everyone in prison is an effing GENIUS. Just ask them. Most convicts believe they are infinitely smarter than the cops, lawyers and judge that put them in prison. They also believe they are smarter than YOU, dumbass. And they have so little impulse control they will often say that to your face even as they are begging you for a crucial favor. Prison is a microcosm of the real world, low grade rocks-stupid morons each convinced he is the smartest guy ever to bestride the planet.

Posted by: Rufus T Firefly at January 11, 2014 10:26 AM (Qm24A)

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