January 07, 2014

The Left's Lies on Obamacare and Everything Else
— Ace

Charles C. W. Cooke has a good column on the left confessing its lies about Obamacare... now that it's too late for the public to make an informed decision, prospectively, on the law.

It is easier, they say, and "they" are always right, to beg forgiveness afterwards than to secure permission beforehand.

Accusing its opponents of lying has been the Left’s modus operandi since the first shots of the health-care debate were fired. Insofar as there was any at all, the ostensible theory was that, unable to muster any serious criticisms, almost certainly motivated by money and by racism, and tainted forever for having supposedly endorsed the scheme in the 1990s, conservatives were reduced to fabrications and to hyperbole — in other words, into scaring the public by telling them things that weren’t true. In the meantime, the law’s architects tripped over themselves to bend the truth — but that was fine because they were spreading “noble lies,” as the perpetually melting-down Brian Beutler now terms these tales.

Among the alleged falsehoods on which conservative opposition relied were that the scheme was effectively a “takeover” that would leave the president with capricious control over the nation’s health-care system; that insurance premiums would inevitably increase for some; that the president’s oft-repeated promise that all Americans could keep their health care if they liked it was obviously untrue; and that government was almost certainly unsuited to run a project of this magnitude and importance. Also claimed to be mendacious was the Right’s characterization of the measure as a severe departure from the status quo. Thus were we treated to a standard by which Joe Biden was able to call passage a “big f***ing deal” and the president was allowed to boast about his newest place in history with nary a squeak, but Republicans doing the same thing were accused of blowing a “moderate” and “modest” proposal out of all proportion.

I've noticed this in a different context, recently-- these "noble lies" the left tells.

The Left believes in many things that the majority of society does not. They believe, for example, that Socialism is an ideal to be aspired to. But rather than admit this, and make a case forthrightly for Socialism, they (and here I include their zealous advocates of the media) simply deny that any move towards Socialism is Socialism at all.

In the case of Obamacare, the Right was correct, and true: Obamacare was a massive cost-shifting, wealth-redistributing scheme. And also effectively a "government takeover" of health care.

The Left believes these things are good. They do not think it's fair that a healthy person purchasing insurance before he gets sick should pay less than an unhealthy person who delays its purchase until after he has been stricken. And they do not like how the free market operates in the health insurance market -- or, actually, how it operates in any market at all. They are foursquare in favor of government takeovers of not just the health insurance industry but practically any industry.

Oh, they would not call it this. They would call it a "Government-Business Partnership," or some such rot.

But the point stands: They are in favor of these things, but rather than honestly state their beliefs and press for the rightness of them, they instead lie at practically every turn and simply say "We do not believe that" and "We do not wish that" or "That is not what you claim it is."

This is why no genuine discussion can be had with them. They lie at virtually every turn. One can hardly argue with a man that what he believes is false if he automatically gainsays believing in it at all.

Obama did not go to church this Christmas. I do not believe that is a moral flaw -- I did not go to church this Christmas either, and neither did a majority (or near-majority) of my family and friends.

Even the New York Times bothered to notice:

President Obama celebrated a low-key Christmas in Hawaii this year. He sang carols, opened presents with his family, and visited a nearby military base to wish the troops “Mele Kalikimaka” — the Hawaiian phrase meaning “Merry Christmas.”

But the one thing the president and his family did not do — something they have rarely done since he entered the White House — was attend Christmas church services.

“He has not gone to church hardly at all, as president,” said Gary Scott Smith, the author of “Faith and the Presidency: From George Washington to George W. Bush,” adding that it is “very unusual for a president not to attend” Christmas services.

Historically, watching the nation’s first family head to church dressed in their Sunday best, especially around the holiday season, was something of a ritual. Yet Mr. Obama’s faith is a more complicated, more private, and perhaps — religious and presidential historians say — a more inclusive affair.

By "more inclusive," the New York Times intends to mean that he doesn't upset any religious minority by observing any religion at all. Atheism is essentially re-cast as an ecumenical faith.

The left reacted to this reportage with its typical outrage -- "How dare you suggest that Obama is anything less that utterly pious!"

Obama is not pious. Neither are most of the left. The left is broadly in favor of atheism and broadly hostile to faith (particularly the Christian faith). But again, rather than making an honest argument in favor of atheism, or "free-thinking," as it was earlier called, they instead simply deny that they are atheist at all.

Or, I should say, various unimportant members of the left will state their own atheism while denying that Obama shares their lack of faith.

Because he's the one who's important. He's the one they have to lie about.

But is it really beyond the pale, at this point, to note that Obama is not Christian and not religious? He is Christian in the sense that I am Christian-- that's the religion of my birth.

But I do not practice it and do not believe in it.

Exactly like Barack Obama doesn't practice it and seems not to believe in it. And yet I wouldn't get huffy! if someone dared to suggest I'm not really a Christian. Spoiler alert: I'm really not.

It's only the Right that's called out for suggesting that Obama is anything other than what he half-heartedly poses as being. For example, when Expert on All Things Atheist Richard Dawkins proclaims, proudly and in a complimentary fashion, that he is "sure" Obama is an atheist, the left doesn't react with anger and shouting.

Neither does the left squawk when Bill Maher predicts that Obama will announce himself as an atheist. (For the 2012 elections -- Um, no. But he may do so as he's preparing to leave office.)

They don't scream about these statements for three reasons:

1, because they know they're probably true,

and 2, because they're said in a "nice way," just as it's okay for Obama to champion Obamacare as a historic, paradigm-shifting law, but if the Right decries it as transformative, they mean that in a "bad way," and so they're dirty liars,

and 3, because Dawkins and Maher are largely speaking among their friends on the Left. Just as Yasser Arafat could say things in Arabic that he wouldn't say in English, so too can the left freely discuss (and praise!) Obama's Enlightened Atheism among themselves. It's only when the idea threatens to get out to the Great Unwashed Religious Hinterlands that the screams of "Liar!" begin.

The left is fundamentally dishonorable. An honorable man tells you what he believes and is prepared to defend those beliefs fairly and candidly.

The Left never does. They speak in "Noble Lies," and have done so forever. Obama is not interested in spreading the wealth around despite telling Joe the Plumber he intends to "spread the wealth around." Obama is not a Socialist, despite having been a member of the Socialist New Party, and despite having a Socialist agenda (at least a soft socialism, which is the most the Overton window currently permits).

And Obama is a believing Christian, despite routinely failing to offer an Easter message or attend church on Christmas.

It would be better for America if the Left stopped speaking forever in "Noble Lies" and occasionally ventured a Noble Truth or two.

Posted by: Ace at 10:45 AM | Comments (331)
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1 (Gomer Pyle voice) Surprise! Surprise! SURPRISE! GOP Senators who voted to extend, sorry, re-re-extend UEB's: Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H. Sen. Dan Coats, R-Ind. Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine Sen. Dean Heller, R-Nev. Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 07, 2014 10:48 AM (XLoA6)

2 Oh, first.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 07, 2014 10:49 AM (XLoA6)

3 Ayotte is a a consistent establishment vote at this point.

Posted by: votermom at January 07, 2014 10:50 AM (GSIDW)

4 Only?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 07, 2014 10:50 AM (XLoA6)

5 Noble lie is a euphemism for, "You're too fucking stupid to know what's good for you so let your betters do the thinking for you.  Now here, eat this."


"Of course it smells like shit!  That's what it is!"

*Idiots*

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 10:50 AM (BZAd3)

6 The Left believes these things are good. They do not think it's fair that a healthy person purchasing insurance before he gets sick should pay less than an unhealthy person who delays its purchase until after he has been stricken. And they do not like how the free market operates in the health insurance market -- or, actually, how it operates in any market at all. Mr. Maths doesn't give a shit about what someone thinks is fair......

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 10:50 AM (8D0/R)

7 Reggie, I've turned the other cheek...

Posted by: Barky McFuckstick at January 07, 2014 10:51 AM (FcR7P)

8 By the end of the year Obama will be singing a new song ...


For six long years I've been in trouble,
no pleasure here on earth I've found
For in this world, I'm bound to ramble,
I have no friends to help me now.

He has no friends to help him now

Posted by: The Soggy Bottom Boys at January 07, 2014 10:51 AM (e8kgV)

9 Ace jumping on Big Issues today. Me like.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at January 07, 2014 10:51 AM (SCcgT)

10 A Noble Lie is a lie that is true, but even if it wasn't true, it would be a good thing or it wouldn't matter or shut up.

Posted by: Mega at January 07, 2014 10:52 AM (hHFOx)

11 To the left, the truth is whatever serves the end goal. Like Dan Rather's fake but accurate story. It's not a lie if you believe it. /Costanza

Posted by: votermom at January 07, 2014 10:52 AM (GSIDW)

12 The left recognizes that "socialism" is not a well-received term in this country (yet, anyway). So whenever someone on the right uses the term, the general response is something along the lines of "you don't know what socialism even means." And then they invent some definition that they think will be better received. But the goal is the same.

Posted by: brak at January 07, 2014 10:52 AM (M2qTM)

13 If only a magic negro would come to save us...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 07, 2014 10:53 AM (vHRtU)

14 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 10:54 AM (PYAXX)

15 It would be better for America if the Left stopped speaking forever in "Noble Lies" and occasionally ventured a Noble Truth or two. *burp* Never going to happen.

Posted by: Sandy berger's Overstuffed Sock at January 07, 2014 10:54 AM (RJMhd)

16 They deny anything is Socialism unless it's full communist control of everything. The Left is like a man going around turning off all your lights. You accuse him of wanting to impose Darkness. He says you are a liar, Darkness would mean no Light at all and he's clearly left some of the Light on. Only an idiot would say that regulating optimal Lightness by turning off some of the Light is the same as imposing Darkness. So they go about turning off all the Lights, making it Darker and Darker, yet denying the entire time that they are in favor of Darkness at all.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 10:54 AM (ZPrif)

17 Where does the noble  lie that obama   was lawfully eligible for the office of President now stand?

Posted by: Havedash at January 07, 2014 10:55 AM (SIR+t)

18 13 If only a magic negro would come to save us...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 07, 2014 02:53 PM (vHRtU)

They have to be clean cut... and not speak in a black dialect.  That'll never do.


Is that racist?

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 10:55 AM (BZAd3)

19 Yes, but what do the Republicans stand for?

Posted by: soothie at January 07, 2014 10:55 AM (J5lvw)

20 It's a good trick. Anything short of of Total Socialism is not socialism at all.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 10:55 AM (ZPrif)

21 LoneStarHeeb, Correct!

Posted by: ace at January 07, 2014 10:55 AM (/FnUH)

22

Obama's stance on gay marriage was another "lie". 

Everyone who wan't an LIV knew he favored gay marriage in 2008.  But he said he didn't.  And the media pretended along with him.  And of course if you said that his traditional family stance was a sham, that was OUTRAGEOUSLY OUTRAGEOUS.  But conservatives knew, and the left-wing media knew.  It was basically all the LIVs who didn't.


Posted by: dan-O at January 07, 2014 10:55 AM (D0bIN)

23 "It would be better for America if the Left stopped speaking forever in "Noble Lies" and occasionally ventured a Noble Truth or two."



Why would they? It's worked so far.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 07, 2014 10:56 AM (WdbF7)

24 Ends justifying the means leads to a lot of mean ends.

Posted by: AMDG at January 07, 2014 10:56 AM (t7OO0)

25 Noble Lies Hell that's how we justify stealing elections--for the folks!

Posted by: Daley Chicago- LBJ Texas at January 07, 2014 10:57 AM (RJMhd)

26 I'm really looking foward to six months from now when the RNC runs two or three scathing ads on obamacare... on the internet. You cringe because it's true.

Posted by: soothie at January 07, 2014 10:57 AM (J5lvw)

27 Heh. You will get the truth Ace, when they have their boot on your throat.

Posted by: maddogg at January 07, 2014 10:57 AM (xWW96)

28 Or, the left can eat s**t and die.

Posted by: Kumshtaki Obama at January 07, 2014 10:57 AM (1/4XQ)

29 Perfect fucking example:

http://tinyurl.com/kjjaub7

NBC blames Bush.  No shit.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 10:57 AM (BZAd3)

30 No... it would be better if the Right started to call outright Lies... LIES....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 10:57 AM (lZBBB)

31

They deny anything is Socialism unless it's full communist control of everything.

 

They deny that's socialism, too.   They also deny it's socialism.  They will tell you it's pure,     market driven capitalism, and will impugn you as a liar if you tell them they're wrong.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 10:58 AM (4df7R)

32 That Al Franken election--however-- that was for the *giggles*.

Posted by: Daley Chicago- LBJ Texas at January 07, 2014 10:58 AM (RJMhd)

33 And it will never get better as long as we (or our supposed "representatives") allow them to get away with their lies. Every statement they make must be challenged. We must demand substantiation of their claims and point out (and mock) their emotivist evasions.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 10:59 AM (PYAXX)

34 17 Where does the noble lie that obama was lawfully eligible for the office of President now stand? Posted by: Havedash at January 07, 2014 02:55 PM (SIR+t) It will stand right up until a Dual Citizen REPUBLICAN tries to run for President...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 10:59 AM (lZBBB)

35 As long as people are still allowed to own their own homes and cars and iPhones, the Left will say it's crazy to call anything they do Socialism.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 10:59 AM (ZPrif)

36 Your move, senator Cruz.

Posted by: Mr. Powerstroke Super Duty 4X4 King Ranch Edition at January 07, 2014 10:59 AM (LSJmV)

37 This is why no genuine discussion can be had with them.
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I find it amusing that the right engages the left the same way the left engages radical Islam and with exactly the same result.  The left will not negotiate in good faith so the right will always be screwed.  Islam will never negotiate in good faith so the US will always get screwed.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 10:59 AM (Hx5uv)

38 Noble lies. Upside rationalizing (PIV is "unnatural" gut gay sex is totes natural). It's all about refashioning the world to their own desires. If you have to lie to people to get them to support you, doesn't that mean you're... I dunno... working for Team Evil? Isn't that what the Great Deceiver does? He lies and tells us what we want to hear, that sin is totes cool. Isn't that exactly what the left is doing, too?

Posted by: elaine at January 07, 2014 10:59 AM (GNZ0/)

39 (Gomer Pyle voice) Surprise! Surprise! SURPRISE! GOP Senators who voted to extend, sorry, re-re-extend UEB's: Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H. Sen. Dan Coats, R-Ind. Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine Sen. Dean Heller, R-Nev. Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 07, 2014 02:48 PM ...........Yes, but you damn dirty teapublican conservative bastards! Hey, vote for us next time K?

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 07, 2014 10:59 AM (FciyD)

40 The problem with Noble Lies is that Jamie-Lee Curtis is just not an action hero. Oh...never mind.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 07, 2014 10:59 AM (ZshNr)

41 Hey reggie, I left the wookie in hawaii.

Posted by: obama at January 07, 2014 10:59 AM (WCnJW)

42 Noble Lies
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 Those are like "I'm a big movie producer and I will make you a star plus I'll respect you in the morning."

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 11:01 AM (Hx5uv)

43 It would be better for America if the Left stopped speaking forever in "Noble Lies" and occasionally ventured a Noble Truth or two. That would assume they want what's better for America. They only want what's better for themselves.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:01 AM (PYAXX)

44 Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 07, 2014 02:48 PM Sooo.... within a couple of weeks... the Budget deal that was SOOOOO important make cuts with that they screwed military Retirees... is broken....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 11:01 AM (lZBBB)

45 I would go farther than saying Obama is not a Christian.  I would say he is actively anti-Christian.  But that doesn't sell in most parts of America, at least not yet.  So the lie must continue as part of his never-ending campaign.

Once he is out of office, I expect him to come out.  In more ways than one.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 11:01 AM (P6QsQ)

46 Nobel Peace Prize Noble Lie

Posted by: The Supremes at January 07, 2014 11:01 AM (S5LPT)

47 "Ayotte is a a consistent establishment vote at this point."


You betcha!

Posted by: Shoot Me at January 07, 2014 11:02 AM (qiXMt)

48

 >>>now that it's too late for the public to make an informed decision, prospectively, on the law. 

 

As I recall, we never were given a voice on the matter.

Posted by: Bigby's Kung Fu Grip at January 07, 2014 11:02 AM (3ZtZW)

49 If you have to lie to people to get them to support you, doesn't that mean you're... I dunno... working for Team Evil? Isn't that what the Great Deceiver does? He lies and tells us what we want to hear, that sin is totes cool. "You will not surely die..."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:02 AM (PYAXX)

50 Don't say I didn't warn you about those Consequentialist Bastards!

Posted by: Zombie Kant at January 07, 2014 11:02 AM (V2m7a)

51 41 Hey reggie, I left the wookie in hawaii. FTW

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 07, 2014 11:02 AM (XLoA6)

52 Obama's only God is his Ego...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 11:02 AM (lZBBB)

53 You know what this is? The left finally talking about "the truth all along?" It's Monologue-ing! Just like any good super villain, once they have the good guys tied up, it's a "I was behind this the whole time." If only we had more John McClanes and fewer John McCains.

Posted by: AMDG at January 07, 2014 11:02 AM (t7OO0)

54 I saw Noble Lies open for The Undisputed Truth in '78 at Jones Hall. Plenty of smiling faces in the audience.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 07, 2014 11:03 AM (LSJmV)

55 GOP Senators who voted to extend, sorry, re-re-extend UEB's I actually donÂ’t have a problem with them voting to re-extend unemployment benefits. We have severe structural problems due to government policy making it difficult to create employment. I have a problem with their voting to re-extend unemployment benefits without demanding structural changes that will decrease the need for unemployment benefits.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 07, 2014 11:03 AM (QF8uk)

56 the guy in the life lock add at the left needs some serious mud flaps.

Posted by: hillary bosch at January 07, 2014 11:03 AM (lB/5N)

57 “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell people what they want to hear." Thomas Sowell

Posted by: JohnJ at January 07, 2014 11:03 AM (TF/YA)

58 Yes, Obama is anti-Christian. He wants fewer people to believe in Christianity. He wants the Christian faith to dwindle in power, influence, and followers. He's not just non-Christian, he's anti-Christian.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 11:03 AM (ZPrif)

59 Posted by: AMDG at January 07, 2014 03:02 PM (t7OO0) VERY good observation....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 11:04 AM (lZBBB)

60 Look after HillaryCare was defeated--do some of you still think the ACA was just written poorly or did lawyer types like the Clintons and people like Michelle Obama (who worked in the Chicago Health Care system)--work away at some of its more special aspects? Finally -- Chicago. Come on guys--wake up. Please.

Posted by: Daley Chicago- LBJ Texas at January 07, 2014 11:04 AM (RJMhd)

61 40 The problem with Noble Lies is that Jamie-Lee Curtis is just not an action hero. Oh...never mind.

BOOBEHS! Young JLC boobehs!

And in other news, POTUS announced today that he is a pathological liar, loves lying, and does it just for fun even when the truth is happy and painless...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 07, 2014 11:04 AM (vHRtU)

62 If obama is not 100% certain Hillary Clinton (aka his bitch) can steal the election, he's not leaving. obama didnt do all this just to see it possibly undone by some White Republican. AND George Soros didnt spend billions just for a measely 8 years of control.

Posted by: soothie at January 07, 2014 11:04 AM (J5lvw)

63
Because you cant spell Leftist without L-i-e-s.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 07, 2014 11:04 AM (nELVU)

64 OT, but Tangonine, my response in the other thread to your "you're kidding" question:

Not at all. I have a CW3 buddy whose son just went through basic at Fort Sill. He was appalled. His kid asked him to send "some good TP, because I don't like this stuff they have here." CW3 friend told him to suck it up and stop being a pussy. Son asked his grandmother for the same, and she sent it. He got to keep and use it. He also had sent to him: burned CDs for the barracks boom box and cough drops...because they aren't allowed candy, but they can have cough drops. Did he write letters to request this stuff? Nope. Text messages and Facebook posts.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 07, 2014 11:04 AM (L8r/r)

65 It would be better for America if the Left stopped speaking forever in "Noble Lies" and occasionally ventured a Noble Truth or two.


1. The left does not want what is best for the nation.

2. Noble Lies have worked so well for the left that they could never give them up.

3. They know that they will work much more efficiently behind a shield of lies. It is always and forever about the goal with the left.

Posted by: joncelli at January 07, 2014 11:05 AM (RD7QR)

66 Shit Shit Shit, those fucking cocksucking maggots could have bonded out all the uninsured in the country formerly know as USA and prevented a big fucking hole. Large corporations do this to SAVE big bucks from workers comp bill ALLLL the time. But we got a plantation of shit. So we got that eh?

Posted by: 7 Days in May at January 07, 2014 11:05 AM (j6DTo)

67 Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 07, 2014 03:03 PM (QF8uk) Yeah.... lets Vote to give money those who don't work.... While taking it from the Vet's who served.... Thank you Republicans....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 11:05 AM (lZBBB)

68 52 Obama's only God is his Ego... I think he *might* have some voo-doo looking alter stained w/chicken blood, that has a little figurine of Val Jar on it.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 07, 2014 11:05 AM (XLoA6)

69 He is a Muz, baby.

Posted by: nip at January 07, 2014 11:05 AM (jI23+)

70

It's like the  thing about him being anti-gay marriage.  They all knew he was, but of course  he couldn't say it.  And when he was ready to announce his big conversion, they all cringed, waiting for the great  unwashed to  metaphorically string him up.

 

When they didn't, the left  knew it was safe.  That America was willing to follow its mocha Jesus anywhere and everywhere.  So it's only a matter of time before Obama declares his non-sectarian (he  won't go full on athiest), non-Christian self. 

 

As for socialism, well, I think they know that ship has already sailed.  They know the  whole country  is essentially on board, so why bother.  It really is old  news at this point. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 07, 2014 11:06 AM (TOk1P)

71 Great post, Ace. It really gets to the heart of the dishonesty among the left. I think the best thing we can do is make them defend the points which they only pretend to believe. You say you're a Christian, Mr. Obama? Let's hear your stance on Sodom and Gomorrah.

Posted by: Lauren at January 07, 2014 11:06 AM (hFL/3)

72 If a Noble Savage tells a Noble Lie in Noble Hall, who gets the Nobel Prize?

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 07, 2014 11:06 AM (ZshNr)

73

70  -

 

Meaning, of coures, they all knew he was PRO-gay marriage, not anti. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 07, 2014 11:07 AM (TOk1P)

74 Obama still owes Joe Wilson an apology.

Posted by: garrett at January 07, 2014 11:07 AM (V2m7a)

75 Obama may not have gone to church for Christmas, but he did spend a good hour worshipping  in  front  of  his  bathroom mirror.  Give him that at least.

Posted by: Roy at January 07, 2014 11:08 AM (VndSC)

76 The problem with Noble Lies is that Jamie-Lee Curtis is just not an action hero. Oh...never mind.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 07, 2014 02:59 PM (ZshNr)


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Yeah... but that dance thingy she did for Ahnohd in True Lies was the hottest thing in the entire history of cinema.... ever.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 07, 2014 11:08 AM (nELVU)

77 If a Tree falls in the forest, and there is no one there to hear it, does it still make a sound??? If a Man speaks, and there is no Woman there to hear it, is he still wrong??? If a Leftist tells a Lie, and the Media does not call them on it... is it still a lie???

Posted by: Conumdrums at January 07, 2014 11:08 AM (lZBBB)

78

 

Speaking of markets,

How long before they demand

Price controls on Pot?

Posted by: Haiku Guy at January 07, 2014 11:09 AM (bIy5N)

79 The White Man's Burden
The White Man's Guilt
Compassionate Conservatism
Christian Duty.


It is the duty of all right thinking people to help the disadvantaged.

Poor people need health care.




Posted by: Reliable Blarny Smythe at January 07, 2014 11:09 AM (Nvd6O)

80 Robert Gates new book has some good savagery of Obama and Biden.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 11:09 AM (ZPrif)

81 >>I have a problem with their voting to re-extend unemployment benefits without demanding structural changes that will decrease the need for unemployment benefits. They haven't. >>In statements after the vote, Portman and Coats explained that they simply wanted the measure to be debated and amended -- in hopes it could be improved upon before final passage. That's a critical point to understand. This was a vote to start debate on the measure, not to pass the legislation. The 60 votes simply means that the terms of debate on the measure will now be established and, Republicans hope, a series of amendments will be allowed to be offered. "If Majority Leader Reid once again obstructs Senate Republicans from offering amendments, [Senator] Coats will oppose final passage of the bill because he believes any further extension should be paid for by eliminating duplicative and wasteful government programs, many of which have been identified by the administration and the Government Accountability Office," said Coats spokeswoman Tara DiJulio. http://tinyurl.com/q83ljjk

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2014 11:09 AM (g1DWB)

82 The only Bible verse I've ever heard come out of Obama's mouth is the statement of Cain in regards to murdering his own  brother.  The one that was an attempt to deceive God Himself. 



Even the serpent knows Scripture.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 11:10 AM (P6QsQ)

83 From WaPo At a March 3, 2010, National Security Council meeting, Gates writes, the president opened with a “blast.” Obama criticized the military for “popping off in the press” and said he would push back hard against any delay in beginning the withdrawal. According to Gates, Obama concluded, “ ‘If I believe I am being gamed . . .Â’ and left the sentence hanging there with the clear implication the consequences would be dire.” Gates continues: “I was pretty upset myself. I thought implicitly accusing” Petraeus, and perhaps Mullen and Gates himself, “of gaming him in front of thirty people in the Situation Room was inappropriate, not to mention highly disrespectful of Petraeus. As I sat there, I thought: the president doesnÂ’t trust his commander, canÂ’t stand [Afghanistan President Hamid] Karzai, doesnÂ’t believe in his own strategy, and doesnÂ’t consider the war to be his. For him, itÂ’s all about getting out.”

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 11:10 AM (ZPrif)

84 Serious question.  Does anyone here really believe the state of this country can be turned back to what we once were without  the left being utterly  destroyed?  As mentioned in an earlier thread, the left has been   working on this for 100 years.  There's no way they are going to do like the Right and roll over if a few GOP senators are elected this fall.   They fought Bush tooth and nail   with every means possible, and they will continue to fight  as long as they have an ounce of   ability to do so.  Even if we get back majorities this fall, it won't matter that much - not with the propanda machine the left has in place.  Two years of a GOP majority will just amp up the propaganda   machine for Hillary!    I just can't see much of a way out of this mess short of the left somehow being decimated, and this includes the leftist  RINOs.   Someone  PLEASE disagree with me.

Posted by: Havedash at January 07, 2014 11:10 AM (SIR+t)

85 I'm trying to muster my single digit temperature shocked face. *ugnnnh* There.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at January 07, 2014 11:11 AM (inW4J)

86 He attended church, the Church of Obama, our God-King.  Hell, he goes to morning mass - every morning in the bathroom mirror.

Posted by: Jean at January 07, 2014 11:11 AM (4JkHl)

87 From WaPo: “All too early in the [Obama] administration,” he writes, “suspicion and distrust of senior military officers by senior White House officials — including the president and vice president — became a big problem for me as I tried to manage the relationship between the commander in chief and his military leaders.” Gates offers a catalogue of various meetings, based in part on notes that he and his aides made at the time, including an exchange between Obama and then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton that he calls “remarkable.” He writes: “Hillary told the president that her opposition to the [2007] surge in Iraq had been political because she was facing him in the Iowa primary. . . . The president conceded vaguely that opposition to the Iraq surge had been political. To hear the two of them making these admissions, and in front of me, was as surprising as it was dismaying.”

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 11:11 AM (ZPrif)

88 Thanks Ace. Spot on. I am personally becoming more emboldened about calling lies exactly what they are...lies. I am not afraid any more to speak the plain truth.

Posted by: Buckeye Katie at January 07, 2014 11:12 AM (1M/xn)

89

55 -

 

Rush said this morning, the one explicit demand the Republicans made, in order to cave on the debt ceiling raise, was that the Dems would not demand  the  unemployment bennies extention. 

 

So who  lied,  the Dems, or Rush? 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 07, 2014 11:12 AM (TOk1P)

90 But the point stands: They are in favor of these things, but rather than honestly state their beliefs and press for the rightness of them, they instead lie at practically every turn and simply say "We do not believe that" and "We do not wish that" or "That is not what you claim it is." This is why no genuine discussion can be had with them. They lie at virtually every turn. One can hardly argue with a man that what he believes is false if he automatically gainsays believing in it at all. ------------------------------- Tell it to your pal, Gabe. He and the other Establishment brainiacs seem to think that some sort of "compromise" or accommodation can be made with these assholes. There is no political solution to the differences between us and the Free Shitters. There is only the Burning Times, human history's ultimate corrective. Fire is natural. It cleanses and purifies. And it's coming.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 11:12 AM (CJjw5)

91 Robert Gates new book has some good savagery of Obama and Biden. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 03:09 PM (ZPrif) A) then he should have resigned so fuck him B) He was in on the shit canning of the F-22 so fuck him C) fuck him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2014 11:12 AM (t3UFN)

92

"It would be better for America if the Left stopped speaking forever in
"Noble Lies" and occasionally ventured a Noble Truth or two."

 

America    is    just the left's MacGuffin, ace.      America is just a word to them.   All they know, all they believe in, are words.   Actual outcomes and impacts     don't exist, except in the framework of words.     

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 11:12 AM (4df7R)

93 More WaPo: Similarly, in a battle over defense spending, “I was extremely angry with President Obama,” Gates writes. “I felt he had breached faith with me . . . on the budget numbers.” As with “don’t ask, don’t tell,” “I felt that agreements with the Obama White House were good for only as long as they were politically convenient.” Gates acknowledges forthrightly in “Duty” that he did not reveal his dismay. “I never confronted Obama directly over what I (as well as [Hillary] Clinton, [then-CIA Director Leon] Panetta, and others) saw as the president’s determination that the White House tightly control every aspect of national security policy and even operations. His White House was by far the most centralized and controlling in national security of any I had seen since Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger ruled the roost.”

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 11:12 AM (ZPrif)

94 Pot smoke good Tobacco smoke bad Tobacco smoke, and taxes they generate down Therefore pot will be legalized to pick up the tax slack Forget that pot smoke is as bad for your lungs as tobacco smoke Truth, health, and liberty have nothing to do with it It's to feed the states addiction to taxpayer dollars

Posted by: Thunderb at January 07, 2014 11:13 AM (zOTsN)

95

You know what I don't hear often enough?  Conservatives calling leftists liars.  And the funny thing is, the leftists lie continuously, while the conservatives rarely do -  as is proven by the very examples in this post.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 07, 2014 11:13 AM (AskuI)

96 Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2014 03:09 PM.................What's to debate? Why feel the need to debate something that should end? Now it's kept alive and the Dems get a wedge issue. for 2014. brilliant.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 07, 2014 11:13 AM (FciyD)

97 Someone PLEASE disagree with me. Posted by: Havedash at January 07, 2014 03:10 PM (SIR+t) I see no fault with your logic

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 07, 2014 11:14 AM (R8hU8)

98 Gates writes, “I did not enjoy being secretary of defense,” or as he e-mailed one friend while still serving, “People have no idea how much I detest this job.”

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 11:14 AM (ZPrif)

99 Someone PLEASE disagree with me. Posted by: Havedash at January 07, 2014 03:10 PM (SIR+t) Well, I could, but that would be silly since I mostly agree with you.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:15 AM (PYAXX)

100 Gates writes, “I did not enjoy being secretary of defense,” or as he e-mailed one friend while still serving, “People have no idea how much I detest this job.” Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 03:14 PM (ZPrif) Then he has some idea of how much I detest him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2014 11:15 AM (t3UFN)

101 Posted by: Havedash at January 07, 2014 03:10 PM (SIR+t)

----

Nope.

Every struggle has to have a winner.

And right now..... we're losing.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 07, 2014 11:15 AM (nELVU)

102 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 03:11 PM (ZPrif)

Wow.  That's amazing.  (in a depressing, "We saw it coming, why couldn't they,"  sort of way.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 11:15 AM (BZAd3)

103

He writes: “Hillary told the president that her opposition to the [2007] surge in Iraq had been political because she was facing him in the Iowa primary. . . . The president conceded vaguely that opposition to the Iraq surge had been political. To hear the two of them making these admissions, and in front of me, was as surprising as it was dismaying.”

 

Why is that surprising?  How the fuck would that be surprising to anyone, up to and including the babe born yesterday?   Everything a politician does and says is   driven by politics.   They have no morals, no central code of ethics and belief.    They are purely political creatures driven by a need for self-gratification, as bad as any heroin junkie.   And they assume, not unreasonably, that everyone they work with feels the same way.

 


Gates is showing serious naivete    there.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 11:15 AM (4df7R)

104 Fuck gates for not telling the truth at the time

Posted by: Thunderb at January 07, 2014 11:16 AM (zOTsN)

105 Sometimes, Ace, I think you'll end up becoming a Christian just because it would further piss off the left. I envy your friends; you must be an interesting guy to talk religion with.

Posted by: Hal at January 07, 2014 11:16 AM (MftY/)

106 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 03:14 PM (ZPrif) Then he failed in his oath to "Uphold and Defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic." He should have said this back then. But integrity is hard and requires sacrifice of hard things.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:16 AM (PYAXX)

107 >>What's to debate? Why feel the need to debate something that should end? Now it's kept alive and the Dems get a wedge issue. for 2014. brilliant. That it needs to be paid for just as Boehner and the House have been demanding. I'm not sure I understand your objection. Do you think the Dems are going to stop talking about this if Republicans do nothing? They are going to demagogue "fairness" issues from now until November. It's all they got. So why not make our case? You seem to want the Republicans to make a stand. So do I. It appears they are going to. So what's the problem?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2014 11:17 AM (g1DWB)

108 One of the biggest lies of the left is the "settled science" of global warming (which they will use to take control over every facet of your life). In other news, the Chicago Zoo brought their polar bear inside because it is too cold for her. The science is settled. She gonna drown.

Posted by: runningrn at January 07, 2014 11:17 AM (o6g4X)

109 "If Majority Leader Reid once again obstructs Senate Republicans from offering amendments, [Senator] Coats will oppose final passage of the bill because he believes any further extension should be paid for by eliminating duplicative and wasteful government programs, many of which have been identified by the administration and the Government Accountability Office," said Coats spokeswoman Tara DiJulio. JackStraw, I hope youÂ’re right that they at least pay for it; I donÂ’t have much faith. But my point was that I want them to address the structural issues causing unemployment in the unemployment benefits extension; that is, rather than just pay for the benefits, make them less necessary.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 07, 2014 11:18 AM (QF8uk)

110 while I don't think the left primarily wants to kill us, they are afraid we'd kill them if they were honest about what they do want. because of guns. and the millions they killed last century. they are probably correct.

Posted by: X at January 07, 2014 11:18 AM (KHo8t)

111 If electric cars ever replace gas cars, and they lose gas tax revenue, they will replace it with drive tax revenue. They will put a meter on your car and tax you based on how much you drive

Posted by: Thunderb at January 07, 2014 11:19 AM (zOTsN)

112 The Left believes that healthcare should be "free" and provided by the government as a matter of "fairness".  That it can not ever provide better than NHS care to everyone is irrelevant.

Posted by: toby928© at January 07, 2014 11:19 AM (QupBk)

113 e of the biggest lies of the left is ...they care.

Posted by: garrett at January 07, 2014 11:20 AM (V2m7a)

114 Ace,

I've been saying this (and citing evidence of it) in comments on blogs for the last 10 years.

But the problem is - why doesn't the GOP and GOP/Conservative commentators call this stuff out more routinely?  Sure, we get the occasional article, but this is a 24/7 occurrence.

Here is the reason - the GOP doesn't want to offend.  The GOP elite still want to go to the "right" parties, and that means pretending that leftists are decent/honorable people.

Same with conservative talking heads/ pundits.  they are friends with a lot of the leftist pundits who are engaging in such constant dishonesty.

Democrat politicians will say, publicly, the most vile things about conservatives and republicans in general, and often about individuals specifically.  Harry Reid says something vile about the GOP or conservatives almost daily. 

yet, McCain, et al, pretend he is their honorable colleague and hold their fire for conservative "wacko birds".

And - all the while the leftist media spins the lies as the truth to the American people without any real challenge from the right/GOP.

Posted by: monkeytoe at January 07, 2014 11:20 AM (sOx93)

115 >>JackStraw, I hope you’re right that they at least pay for it; I don’t have much faith. But my point was that I want them to address the structural issues causing unemployment in the unemployment benefits extension; that is, rather than just pay for the benefits, make them less necessary. Hopefully thats where the House comes in. From the end of the article. >>"To date, the president has offered no such plan. If he does, I’ll be happy to discuss it, but right now the House is going to remain focused on growing the economy and giving America’s unemployed the independence that only comes from finding a good job.”

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2014 11:20 AM (g1DWB)

116 "It would be better for America if the Left stopped speaking forever in "Noble Lies" and occasionally ventured a Noble Truth or two."

For that to happen, the left would have to acknowledge the 300 million odd murders that were committed in a vain attempt to make socialism work.

I'll give you odds.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 11:20 AM (BZAd3)

117 I want them to address the structural issues causing unemployment in the unemployment benefits extension; that is, rather than just pay for the benefits, make them less necessary. The only way for them to do that is to reduce the size and scope of government. I shall now see if you really can suffocate yourself to death by holding my breath while I wait for any of our current "leadership" to try to reduce either.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:20 AM (PYAXX)

118 while I don't think the left primarily wants to kill us


--------------




I think you are gravely wrong about that.  Leftism eventually and always leads to death.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 11:20 AM (P6QsQ)

119 If electric cars ever replace gas cars, and they lose gas tax revenue, they will replace it with drive tax revenue. They will put a meter on your car and tax you based on how much you drive.

---

Missouri already does that.   Alternative gas tax.   No mileage meter tho..... yet.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 07, 2014 11:20 AM (nELVU)

120 By the way over the years here I have plainly and repeatedly said how much I hate Gates and that I do NOT trust him and he can go fuck himself. I am not some johnny come lately to hate Gates bandwagon.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2014 11:21 AM (t3UFN)

121 Posted by: monkeytoe at January 07, 2014 03:20 PM (sOx93)

A question I routinely ask leftist commentators on blogs is "if you always have to lie to support your position, doesn't it indicate to you that your position is wrong?"

Posted by: monkeytoe at January 07, 2014 11:21 AM (sOx93)

122 Gas tax, cap and trade proposals, and global warming boondoggles are not about the environment. They are about taking your money and controlling you

Posted by: Thunderb at January 07, 2014 11:21 AM (zOTsN)

123 Weep for your children, because they have been betrayed by the likes of Boehner and McConnell (and far too many others in both parties)!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 07, 2014 11:21 AM (o3MSL)

124 Does anyone here really believe the state of this country can be turned back to what we once were without the left being utterly destroyed? No. They own too much of the public institutions, the schools and retarded public opinion. Quite literally, the country has to go down first. These idiots that vote for this crap cannot be educated with an example elsewhere. It has to happen here. They must feel pain. Pain, that they can no longer blame on someone else. The problem? We have a very stupid populace of female-emoting voters. Not a dig a women, at all. Women, generally, take the emotional side of the argument and that's often a good thing. Emotion, however, does not win against hard evidence and absolute numbers. That's why the left lies. Hiding evidence of failure in a wonton of emotional appeal. ...and the estrogen enhanced male falls for it every fucking time. You really don't want to know what I want to do to them.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at January 07, 2014 11:22 AM (inW4J)

125 Weep for your children, because they have been betrayed by the likes of Boehner and McConnell (and far too many others in both parties)! Or, Burn It Down now in the hopes that your children and grandchildren can rebuild it.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:22 AM (PYAXX)

126 The Left believes that healthcare should be "free" and provided by the government as a matter of "fairness". Then ask them how 'free' healthcare in the UK comes with a 20% VAT. 'Free' my ass.

Posted by: --- at January 07, 2014 11:23 AM (MMC8r)

127 A question I routinely ask leftist commentators on blogs is "if you always have to lie to support your position, doesn't it indicate to you that your position is wrong?"

Posted by: monkeytoe at January 07, 2014 03:21 PM (sOx93)


And, I know what the answer they tell themselves is - but won't ever state publicly - they lie because the great unwashed masses couldn't understand the truth.  So, really, in their minds, they are lying to help people. 


They are all ends justifies means type people.  Like Stalin reportedly said - you ave to break a few eggs to make an omelet. 

Posted by: monkeytoe at January 07, 2014 11:23 AM (sOx93)

128 94 Pot smoke good Tobacco smoke bad Tobacco smoke, and taxes they generate down Therefore pot will be legalized to pick up the tax slack Forget that pot smoke is as bad for your lungs as tobacco smoke Truth, health, and liberty have nothing to do with it It's to feed the states addiction to taxpayer dollars That sounds like it was lifted off the side of a Dr. Bronnor's Organic Peppermint Soap jug. I do believe you have a point. Ultimately, those sin taxes work, people buy/do less of the product being taxed, and the leeches have to find a new behavior to tax. It's happening with gas taxes, states that are dependent on them as a significant source of revenue are scrambling: people just aren't burning that much gas anymore.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 07, 2014 11:23 AM (XLoA6)

129 Immigration reform is not about reforming immigration. It's about creating a permanent socialist majority

Posted by: Thunderb at January 07, 2014 11:23 AM (zOTsN)

130 "Does anyone here really believe the state of this country can be turned back to what we once were without the left being utterly destroyed?"

How to you propose we do that?

Posted by: mrShad at January 07, 2014 11:23 AM (C5V36)

131 You really don't want to know what I want to do to them.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at January 07, 2014 03:22 PM (inW4J)

Oh, but I do.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 11:23 AM (fwARV)

132 Burn It Down now in the hopes that your children and grandchildren can rebuild it. Or at least play in the warm, salty ashes.

Posted by: garrett at January 07, 2014 11:23 AM (V2m7a)

133 The best half hour in radio is coming up at 4:07. Ann Coulter will be on the Howie Carr show. These two are great together; they should have their own show. You can all listen to WRKO via tunein.com

Posted by: soothie at January 07, 2014 11:23 AM (J5lvw)

134 Burn some other country down, many could use it, we're last on the list.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 07, 2014 11:24 AM (ZshNr)

135 Then ask them how 'free' healthcare in the UK comes with a 20% VAT.

'Free' my ass.

Posted by: --- at January 07, 2014 03:23 PM (MMC8r)

For that matter, ask them why it is that getting rid of firearms spiked the violent rape rate by 400%.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 11:24 AM (fwARV)

136 The Left believes that healthcare should be "free" and provided by the government as a matter of "fairness". That it can not ever provide better than NHS care to everyone is irrelevant.

Posted by: toby928© at January 07, 2014 03:19 PM (QupBk)

 

That things cost money, and that      people cannot and will not provide services, R and D new pharmeceuticals, improve and innovate new techniques to improve    patient care    and  provider efficiency, means nothing to them.  They would like us all to live in a commune   where everythign is shared and no one has anythign that can't be had by    everyone else.

 

It's childish utopianism, like every communist fantasy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 11:24 AM (4df7R)

137 >>a more inclusive affair. Truth--Pravda--has become stranger than "This is Spinal Tap". From "their appeal is becoming more selective" to "inclusive" meaning "not ever going".

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 07, 2014 11:25 AM (SUKHu)

138

>>  The left is broadly in favor of atheism and broadly hostile to faith (particularly the Christian faith).

.

.

.That's because they don't chop your head off or blow up your house if you criticize them. 

Posted by: Registered Voter at January 07, 2014 11:25 AM (xqjwP)

139 Obama's policies are beggaring the already beggared (the middle class and the poor) and are enriching the rich and very rich. 

The disconnection between the very rich and everybody else is characteristic of authoritarian and corrupt societies.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 11:25 AM (BZAd3)

140 In the 5+ years obama has been in power he has done an admiral job of destroying the Health Care System and undermining the United States Military. And ALL those in power who stood by and watched and said and did nothing are scum in my book.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2014 11:26 AM (t3UFN)

141 That's because they don't chop your head off or blow up your house if you criticize them.

Posted by: Registered Voter at January 07, 2014 03:25 PM (xqjwP)

Yet?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 11:26 AM (fwARV)

142 I think you are gravely wrong about that. Leftism eventually and always leads to death. Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 03:20 PM (P6QsQ) There really is only one way to permanently correct the problem of recalcitrant serfs! That's why there are always camps, killing fields, or the Liverpool Health Care Path present in any progressive regime! Unexpectedly, there is never a shortage of volunteers for the positions of camp guards!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 07, 2014 11:26 AM (o3MSL)

143

Obama walks into a Church.

 

The minister surprised to see Obama in church says,  " Mr. President , I am surprised to see you.  Why  are you  here today?" 

 

Obama replies, " the bar is closed"

Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2014 11:26 AM (m2CN7)

144 For that matter, ask them why it is that getting rid of firearms spiked the violent rape rate by 400%.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 03:24 PM (fwARV)

 

And I'm sure that there was no similar correlation between the increase in violent rape and the influx of      unassimilated     "Asian males" into the population.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 11:26 AM (4df7R)

145

138 -

 

Chop your head off?  No, we have other ways. 

Posted by: 20th Century Communists at January 07, 2014 11:27 AM (TOk1P)

146 Unexpectedly, there is never a shortage of volunteers for the positions of camp guards! It's amazing what evil you can get people to commit simply by telling them their other option is to be on the receiving end.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:27 AM (PYAXX)

147 Lies, the ends justify the means, personal destruction, yeah sounds Nobel to me.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 07, 2014 11:27 AM (HVff2)

148 OT: Dan Coats explains his vote on unemployment extension: To appease Harry Reid.

Senator Dan Coats of Indiana says he agreed to advance debate in part out of a desire to keep Senate Majority Harry Reid from eliminating the filibuster for legislation, as he recently did for presidential nominations.

“I think it’s wrapped up somewhat in that,” Coats said when asked by National Review Online whether his decision was related to Reid’s recent exercise of the “nuclear option.”

“I’d like to get to the point where we can sit down and get back to regular order,” he said.


Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 11:28 AM (Hx5uv)

149 Burn some other country down, many could use it, we're last on the list. Eff that. If we're playing that game, burn it all. Maybe the children will listen to the legends of the Time Before and learn the lessons, this time.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 07, 2014 11:28 AM (naUcP)

150 Obama walks into a Church.

The minister surprised to see Obama in church says, " Mr. President , I am surprised to see you. Why are you here today?"

Obama replies, " the bar bathhouse is closed"

Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2014 03:26 PM (m2CN7)

 

FTFY.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 07, 2014 11:28 AM (DrWcr)

151 That's because they don't chop your head off or blow up your house if you criticize them. Posted by: Registered Voter at January 07, 2014 03:25 PM (xqjwP) Yet? Yet.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 11:29 AM (8D0/R)

152 They lied about secretly negotiating with Iran for 18 months, giving them everything they wanted. Everything they say about foreign policy is a lie

Posted by: Thunderb at January 07, 2014 11:29 AM (zOTsN)

153 I'm sure that there was no similar correlation between the increase in violent rape and the influx of unassimilated "Asian males" into the population. and you'd be a racist and a tea bagger to think otherwise.

Posted by: MSM at January 07, 2014 11:29 AM (V2m7a)

154 It used to be that people wanted to come here for work.  Now they want to come here so they won't have to.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 11:29 AM (BZAd3)

155 You know what I don't hear often enough? Conservatives calling leftists liars. ______________________________________ Sometimes they do, but whenever it happens, guys who are allegedly on our side, like our Morning Better, rip them a new one. Sickening.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 07, 2014 11:29 AM (LSJmV)

156 Ace -

In this instance, shouldn't they be Nobel lies?

Posted by: Penfold at January 07, 2014 11:30 AM (Fbt5B)

157 131 You really don't want to know what I want to do to them. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at January 07, 2014 03:22 PM (inW4J) Oh, but I do. Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 03:23 PM (fwARV) Re-indoctrinate them, .....with a John Wayne magazine.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at January 07, 2014 11:30 AM (inW4J)

158

You know when these unemployment extensions will cease to exist?

 

The day  I am laid off.  

 

You can  bet your unemployment check on it. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2014 11:30 AM (m2CN7)

159 That thing that happened in your mouth, get over it all ready.

Posted by: I promise at January 07, 2014 11:30 AM (QM5S2)

160 It's amazing what evil you can get people to commit simply by telling them their other option is to be on the receiving end. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 03:27 PM (PYAXX) A tried and true technique to be sure, but there will be many willing FSA types tanned, rested and ready!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 07, 2014 11:30 AM (o3MSL)

161 Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 03:28 PM (Hx5uv) Oh, good. Cowardice. Fuck that thing in particular.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:30 AM (PYAXX)

162 According to his own autobiography, Obama selected his church in Chicago not on the basis of doctrine or faith but on the basis of the people he would meet there.

Posted by: RonF at January 07, 2014 11:30 AM (AE8Vf)

163 OT: Learning German der Fuhrer way.

When I enrolled in an advanced German for beginners class last fall at The College of New Jersey, I intended to improve my ability to speak and write in conversational German.

What I did not expect to learn in German 103 was that the Affordable Care Act – a.k.a Obamacare – is the answer to our prayers, the Tea Party is made up of “old,” “very moronic” people, life is far better in Europe, and Occupy Wall Streeters were really on to something.

Now that my grade is securely documented on my transcripts, I feel safe sharing my recent experiences inside the classroom, during which lessons on the German language frequently morphed into soliloquies on the benefits of universal health care.


Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 11:31 AM (Hx5uv)

164 You know when these unemployment extensions will cease to exist? The day I am laid off. You can bet your unemployment check on it. Amen.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 11:31 AM (8D0/R)

165 Obama selected his church in Chicago not on the basis of doctrine or faith but on the basis of the people he would meet there.

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And what a dandy bunch they were!

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 11:32 AM (P6QsQ)

166 He is the God he has been looking for ( in his mind)

Posted by: Thunderb at January 07, 2014 11:32 AM (zOTsN)

167  "Does anyone here really believe the state of this country can be
turned back to what we once were without the left being utterly
destroyed?"

How to you propose we do that?

Posted by: mrShad at January 07, 2014 03:23 PM (C5V36)

 

 

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The 10th Amendment.  It's up to the states now to carve out regions of Constitutional freedom.   And if needed, do it without the blessings of DC.

 

It's the only way to preserve anything American now.  Otherwise, freedom will be lost for   many many generations to come. 

 

AND, there's going to have to be sacrifices for that freedom.

 

 

 

 

Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 11:32 AM (4L2nK)

168 According to his own autobiography, Obama selected his church in Chicago not on the basis of doctrine or faith but on the basis of the people he would meet there.

Posted by: RonF at January 07, 2014 03:30 PM (AE8Vf)

 

Is that the autobiography written by    Bill    Ayers, or the other autobiography written by Bill Ayers?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 11:32 AM (4df7R)

169 Obama selected his church in Chicago not on the basis of doctrine or faith but on the basis of the people he would meet there.

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And what a dandy bunch they were!

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 03:32 PM (P6QsQ)

 

GOD DAMN AMERICA!

Posted by: Rev. Jeremiah Wright at January 07, 2014 11:33 AM (DrWcr)

170 What I did not expect to learn in German 103 was that the Affordable Care Act – a.k.a Obamacare – is the answer to our prayers, the Tea Party is made up of “old,” “very moronic” people, life is far better in Europe, and Occupy Wall Streeters were really on to something. You should have asked the instructor if this was to teach you the meaning of 'Scheiße'.

Posted by: --- at January 07, 2014 11:33 AM (MMC8r)

171 >>There's no way they are going to do like the Right and roll over if a few GOP senators are elected this fall. Well, what gives me hope is the governors like Jindal, Perry, and Walker. But what will they do next? If they and their successors keep their states functioning, economies growing, etc. and they move to the national level, there is hope.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 07, 2014 11:33 AM (SUKHu)

172 Look, I get that "burn it down" has varying connotations based on context, and that you likely don't want to burn America down in the same sense that Al-Qaeda does, so tell me what you do mean. States ignoring Feds on pot, like in CO, or a complete breakdown of society resulting in real "burning", ie death and destruction?

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 07, 2014 11:33 AM (ZshNr)

173 Obama selected his church in Chicago not on the basis of doctrine or faith but on the basis of the people he would meet there. -------------- And what a dandy bunch they were! But he never paid attention to what was said.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 11:34 AM (8D0/R)

174 Follow along boys and girls;

The Truth is whatever serves the Party.

Posted by: Typo Dynamofo at January 07, 2014 11:34 AM (FtCW+)

175 For contrast; here's an example of an ignoble lie from the right:

http://tinyurl.com/k6qm4y5

Glenn Reynolds: Nobody ever got shot or pregnant from online or home schooling.


Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 11:34 AM (BZAd3)

176 The 10th Amendment. It's up to the states now to carve out regions of Constitutional freedom. And if needed, do it without the blessings of DC. Yes. This. But the States are as addicted to the drug of Federal Sugar as most of the FSA. Even Texas steps lightly around things that might make us pay more for our own roads...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:34 AM (PYAXX)

177

What I did not expect to learn in German 103 was that the Affordable Care Act – a.k.a Obamacare – is the answer to our prayers, the Tea Party is made up of “old,” “very moronic” people, life is far better in Europe, and Occupy Wall Streeters were really on to something.

I'm surprised they didn't burn down the classroom and blame it on the teaparty. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2014 11:34 AM (m2CN7)

178 But he never paid attention to what was said.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 03:34 PM (8D0/R)


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Maybe because he was in the coat closet with the choir director. 

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 11:35 AM (P6QsQ)

179 Is that the autobiography written by Bill Ayers, or the other autobiography written by Bill Ayers? Yes.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 11:35 AM (8D0/R)

180 Yes Germans had universal health care a long time. Didn't work out so well for Jews, homosexuals, "mental defectives", gypsies, twins and other "non productive" citizens

Posted by: Thunderb at January 07, 2014 11:35 AM (zOTsN)

181 He is a believing Christian. He believes that he is the Christ.

Posted by: and irresolute at January 07, 2014 11:35 AM (RqHWH)

182 Well if Obama is not a Christian, and he says he's not a Muslim, then maybe he's a Buddhist of the Shinto variety. After all, he's full of Shinto. But OTOH, he should be happy since he gets to leave the Mooch behind in Hawaii for a 10 days or so. Being without her for 10 days is better than being without her for 9 days, which is better than being without her for 8 days and so on. You get my drift.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at January 07, 2014 11:36 AM (VAche)

183 162 According to his own autobiography, Obama selected his church in Chicago not on the basis of doctrine or faith but on the basis of the people he would meet there. Posted by: RonF at January 07, 2014 03:30 PM (AE8Vf) Absolutely. Nothing about that POS comes from any actual conviction or empathic impulse for anything other than himself. Leftist progressive politics simply provided the easiest road to self-love and power over others. Simple as that.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at January 07, 2014 11:36 AM (inW4J)

184 Obama chose Rev. Wright's church because he was determined to never be "out-blacked" again after losing the primary to Bobby Rush who campaigned on the platform that he was blacker than Obama and a *true* black man and not some pansy-ass, half-white, Hawaiian f****t. So Obama chose the blackest, most racist church he could find to make sure that never happened again.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 11:36 AM (ZPrif)

185 >>You know when these unemployment extensions will cease to exist? >>The day I am laid off. Polynikes' unemployment check walks into a bar...

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 07, 2014 11:36 AM (SUKHu)

186 He is a believing Christian. He believes that he is the Christ.

Posted by: and irresolute at January 07, 2014 03:35 PM (RqHWH)

 

That would make him insane or a blasphemer.  Or maybe both.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 07, 2014 11:36 AM (DrWcr)

187 Glenn Reynolds: Nobody ever got shot or pregnant from online or home schooling.


Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 03:34 PM (BZAd3)

 

Well , not really.

Posted by: Appalachia Homeschooling at January 07, 2014 11:36 AM (m2CN7)

188 Posted by: Lincolntf Originally I just wanted to let collapse run its course, have it out with the leftards, and rebuild in the ruins. The problem, to be honest, is that the more I look at the whole scenario...I can't game out a reasonable course events where that has a prayer of ending well, with a free and sovereign America to start recovering from scratch. Or even some remnant. Too many interests against, within and without. So at this point, I suppose I'm just having a bitter moment on a bitterly cold day. It just sucks being the designated loser.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 07, 2014 11:37 AM (naUcP)

189 Look, I get that "burn it down" has varying connotations based on context, and that you likely don't want to burn America down in the same sense that Al-Qaeda does, so tell me what you do mean. States ignoring Feds on pot, like in CO, or a complete breakdown of society resulting in real "burning", ie death and destruction? Unless you have about $22 trillion laying around, Mr. Maths is gonna want "complete".

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 11:37 AM (8D0/R)

190 Ayers did his first book, secretly. His speech writer did the second book, pretty openly.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 11:37 AM (ZPrif)

191 Or, Burn It Down now in the hopes that your children and grandchildren can rebuild it. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 03:22 PM (PYAXX) Amen. If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.

Posted by: RWC at January 07, 2014 11:37 AM (fWAjv)

192 Once he is out of office, I expect him to come out. In more ways than one.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 03:01 PM (P6QsQ)

 

 

 

He's  packed  more  fudge  than  Russell  Stover. 

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 07, 2014 11:37 AM (rXcBX)

193

172 -

 

People don't like it when  you use nazi Germany as an example, so let's go a little more modern.

 

Think of  the good people of Iraq, who, while living under Saddam, thought  of ways to make their country better.  No doubt some of them reached the point of realizing it was better to let it burn.  Burn it down.

 

Yes, quite literally.  Because there really was no alternative. 

 

Do we have an alternative in this country?  I'm not sure we do. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 07, 2014 11:38 AM (TOk1P)

194 Uh oh. Bob Gates is releasing a book later in the month. Him not happy with Barry and Joey: http://tinyurl.com/lb7ju2q

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 07, 2014 11:38 AM (oFCZn)

195 Ace doesn't believe me, but I'll say it again: Morality is for chumps. Machiavelli (pbuh) tells us so. It is irrational to restrain your behavior. It is rational to lie if you can get away with lying. Moreover, if you believe the ends justify the means (which every leftist does) then lying is not morally neutral, it can be noble. And those of you who adhere to an external moral authority? You're all chumps.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 07, 2014 11:38 AM (T0NGe)

196 You know when these unemployment extensions will cease to exist? >>The day I am laid off. Polynikes' unemployment check walks into a bar... Posted by: Mama AJ Golf clap. Very well played.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 11:38 AM (8D0/R)

197 "What I did not expect to learn in German 103 was that the Affordable Care Act – a.k.a Obamacare – is the answer to our prayers, the Tea Party is made up of “old,” “very moronic” people, life is far better in Europe, and Occupy Wall Streeters were really on to something."



You should have said you were here to learn German not 1930's German propaganda.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 07, 2014 11:38 AM (WdbF7)

198 Why would you say the President is not a Christian? Didn't he say that the reason that he opposed same-sex marriage was because he said that "God was in the mix" on marriage? That belief forms the core of his opposition to gay marriage, and he cannot be swayed. What? Oh, never mind.

Posted by: blaster at January 07, 2014 11:39 AM (W6bkf)

199 82 The only Bible verse I've ever heard come out of Obama's mouth is the statement of Cain in regards to murdering his own brother. The one that was an attempt to deceive God Himself. Luke 11:46 "And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers."

Posted by: AmishDude at January 07, 2014 11:40 AM (T0NGe)

200 The problem, to be honest, is that the more I look at the whole scenario...I can't game out a reasonable course events where that has a prayer of ending well, with a free and sovereign America to start recovering from scratch. Or even some remnant. Too many interests against, within and without. Posted by: Brother Cavil Republic of Texas.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 11:40 AM (8D0/R)

201 He's packed more fudge than Russell Stover Bits O' Lunch on my computer screen now!! And Russell Stover--the absolute, worst artificial chocolate ever made, ever!

Posted by: runningrn at January 07, 2014 11:40 AM (o6g4X)

202 Posted by: Lincolntf at January 07, 2014 03:33 PM (ZshNr) Usually I'm actually just saying it "generally" or addressing a specific thing (The TSA, ObamaCare, the EPA, etc.). But, if I had to say "This is what a general 'Burn it Down'" looks like- it would be mass secession. Split the union. States not only "ignore" Fed decisions but specifically outlaw them. No Federal taxes paid. US Military troops who choose not to renounce their oaths to the US and swear to the individual states politely-but-firmly escorted to the nearest border. The United States as we understand it gone. And, yes, all the pain that comes with it. The only thing that truly teaches Men anything is pain. Mature Men can use theoretical or intellectual pain- as in the "pain" of mental effort, or the "pain" of shame. But most people in the US have been prevented from maturing. The only pain they will recognize (too many of them) is physical or emotional (and mostly physical).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:40 AM (PYAXX)

203

RE: Fritzworth's link in the sidebar about the creepy TSA cartoon for kids.

 

Where's the old 60s radical left when you really need it?

 

They're the one's making the cartoon.   See, an oppressive police state is only bad when    they're    not the ones in charge.   When they're the one's in charge, it's a benevolent police state.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 11:40 AM (4df7R)

204 You know who would make a great Deity?

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at January 07, 2014 11:41 AM (V2m7a)

205 Yes, but what do the Republicans stand for?

Posted by: soothie at January 07, 2014 02:55 PM (J5lvw)

Anything, apparently.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 07, 2014 11:41 AM (8Fl6F)

206 To the chorus of voices upthread saying "Fuck Bob Gates", let me add my own voice. The guy was one of the most dangerously inept individuals ever to have held the job of SECDEF, and when you consider that the benchmark for dangerous ineptitude in that job is Robert Strange McNamara, that's really saying something.

But let us also remember why Gates was in the top slot at the Pentagon in the first place: because of George W. Bush, who installed him there to begin with. Obama just found it convenient to keep Gates on as a hollow figurehead to burnish his imagined credentials on "reaching across the aisle" to staff his administration.

Bushes delenda est.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 07, 2014 11:41 AM (gqT4g)

207  Glenn Reynolds: Nobody ever got shot or pregnant from online or home schooling.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 03:34 PM (BZAd3)

Well , not really.

Posted by: Appalachia Homeschooling at January 07, 2014 03:36 PM (m2CN7)

 

Well done !

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 07, 2014 11:41 AM (nTgAI)

208 It is irrational to restrain your behavior. It is rational to lie if you can get away with lying.

Moreover, if you believe the ends justify the means (which every leftist does) then lying is not morally neutral, it can be noble.

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Yes.  If you can benefit yourself by lying, you would be a fool not to lie.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 11:41 AM (P6QsQ)

209 Bush must have been one hell of a President. We had 7 pretty good economic years and not a single trillion dollar deficit. SCOAMF, however has had 5 years and trillions of stimulus spending, and can't get below 7% unemployment. The media may try to hide it, but 'You can keep your plan, PERIOD' will easily eclipse Bush's 'Read my Lips..' because this lie hurts almost everyone, LIV's especially. They were assured that nothing will even change, except they would be saving 2500 bucks. This next year is gonna be a shocka.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at January 07, 2014 11:41 AM (9Bdcz)

210 You know who would make a great Deity?

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at January 07, 2014 03:41 PM (V2m7a)

 

Ooo, ooo, I know!  Santa Claus!

Posted by: Sheriff Joe Biden at January 07, 2014 11:41 AM (DrWcr)

211 But the States are as addicted to the drug of Federal Sugar as most of the FSA. Even Texas steps lightly around things that might make us pay more for our own roads...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 03:34 PM (PYAXX)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

So the question that should be continually asked is:  Are we willing to  sacrifice everything, even our lives, for freedom?  If not, then we deserve  the shackles that bind us.

Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 11:42 AM (4L2nK)

212 Just to be clear *(or should I say, "Let me be perfectly clear"?), the German story is not about me.  I copy and pasted it from NRO Corner.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 11:42 AM (Hx5uv)

213 "They are foursquare in favor of government takeovers of not just the health insurance industry but practically any industry.

Oh, they would not call it this. They would call it a "Government-Business Partnership," or some such rot"


Hey! We thought of it first!


Posted by: Nazi Germany at January 07, 2014 11:43 AM (AiYlm)

214 Oprah's Hawaiian bungalow is a filthy lie.  It's really just a plantation for late-night mistresses and Stepford Wives.

Posted by: Fritz at January 07, 2014 11:43 AM (UzPAd)

215

Posted by: torquewrench at January 07, 2014 03:41 PM (gqT4g)

 

Did George Bush shoot your dog or something.   You  blame him for everything  directly or  indirectly  as  much   any  lefty.    

Posted by: Appalachia Homeschooling at January 07, 2014 11:43 AM (m2CN7)

216

For the left power > truth.  For the right truth > power.

Posted by: Kirk's Gorn at January 07, 2014 11:44 AM (Jye7B)

217 So the question that should be continually asked is: Are we willing to sacrifice everything, even our lives, for freedom? I'm getting there...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:44 AM (PYAXX)

218 It is irrational to restrain your behavior. It is rational to lie if you can get away with lying.
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Note that criminal law does not require irrationality for your behavior to be a crime.  You don't have to prove that the defendant intentionally killed someone for the insurance payment and that it was irrational to do so.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 11:44 AM (Hx5uv)

219 this Ace fellows seems to have nailed it. I did not realize that President Stutterfuck didn't go to Christmas mass. Wow. just wow. I too agree that he's just a basic atheist. Idiot knee jerk leftists have carried stutterfuck's water on this by making it assumed that he's a lifelong Christian, how dare you suggest otherwise. of course, the GOP refuses to use the left's failings as messaging points.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 07, 2014 11:44 AM (72j65)

220 Dan Coats of Indiana says he agreed to advance debate in part out of a desire to keep Senate Majority Harry Reid from eliminating the filibuster for legislation, as he recently did for presidential nominations.

I am gobsmacked.  Once you pay the Danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane.  How about denying unanimous consent to every single item of business, Senator Coates? 

Posted by: toby928© at January 07, 2014 11:45 AM (QupBk)

221 130 "Does anyone here really believe the state of this country can be
turned back to what we once were without the left being utterly
destroyed?"

How to you propose we do that?

Posted by: mrShad at January 07, 2014 03:23 PM (C5V36)

 

 

 

I don't really know.  Testosterone fueled rage would say CWII, but that's not  truly an option.   The only thing I can see is  burning times.  And after that, if we survive, comes the  "never again" period when we do purge those leftists who caused our destruction.  Of course, this will only be for a short time because many of the "never again" crowd will become "enlightened".

Posted by: Havedash at January 07, 2014 11:45 AM (SIR+t)

222

Ace,

 

As per usual, you hit the nail on the fucking head.

 

They are not gentlemen.  The left are lying scum.

 

The sooner the fucking idiots in the GOP realize this the better.  Get bloody with them. 

 

That, after all, was Breitbart's true insight.  Reasonable people can differ.  Honorable men can disagree.  But when you deal with scoundrels, only one response is appropriate:

 

Fuck you.  War.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 07, 2014 11:46 AM (tVTLU)

223 The guy was one of the most dangerously inept individuals ever to have held the job of SECDEF, and when you consider that the benchmark for dangerous ineptitude in that job is Robert Strange McNamara, that's really saying something. Ahem.

Posted by: Les Aspin at January 07, 2014 11:46 AM (MMC8r)

224 So the question that should be continually asked is: Are we willing to sacrifice everything, even our lives, for freedom? If not, then we deserve the shackles that bind us.

Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 03:42 PM (4L2nK)


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What would you consider the most basic of freedoms?  The one(s) that is the absolute line in the sand?  (not specifically directed to you - just throwing it out there)

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 11:46 AM (P6QsQ)

225 I did not realize that President Stutterfuck didn't go to Christmas mass. Wow. just wow. In fairness, as a member of the Church of Christ, the only time I would go to "Christmas Mass" (we simply call them "services") would be if Christmas fell on Sunday. But I know his absence had nothing in common with that position, except the part where he's not sitting in a pew.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:46 AM (PYAXX)

226 Interesting read, if nothing else:
(won't do a damned thing for your disposition)

http://tinyurl.com/mhnycoh


Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 11:47 AM (BZAd3)

227 They turn out the Lights. We say they favor Darkness. They say that's a lie, cause they didn't turn out all of the Lights. Only imposing total Darkness counts as supporting Darkness. They are just achieving Optimal Lightness.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 11:47 AM (ZPrif)

228 Romney2012 was too scared to point out any flaw with obamacare itself, its deemnpass middle of the night passage, the waivers for dnc donors, the lack of gop input like with tort reform. and now romney2014 is like, sure left, I won't use your hate filled comments about my grandkid as a message point about hate filled libs being all hate filled. I guess pointing out bad stuff about the DNC will only drive the moderates from the GOP.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 07, 2014 11:47 AM (72j65)

229 Of course, this will only be for a short time because many of the "never again" crowd will become "enlightened". #toolate

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 11:47 AM (8D0/R)

230 And they do not like how the free market operates in the health insurance market.

While certainly true, it's also true that the pre-Obamacare health system was nothing like a free market. (Experiment: call up your local hospital and ask how much a chest x-ray costs, as though you wanted to comparison shop.) The system was - and remains - a gigantic racket in which government, hospitals, and insurance are continually extorting each other because that's what the law requires. Obamacare made it worse, but it was bad to start.

Posted by: Matt at January 07, 2014 11:47 AM (XdW+k)

231 When, oh when will we stop calling Progressives 'Socialists' and what they do as moving toward Socialism, and instead start calling them out as what they are, which is simple classical FASCISTS.    Anyone who doesn't get this distinction ought to look up the definitions.   Hint:  Fascism has nothing to do with violence.

Posted by: nobreakfast at January 07, 2014 11:47 AM (n+Wwn)

232 Remember, before he was elected king, the JEF gave an interview where he admitted they did not celebrate Christmas or exchange gifts, even to their girls, because materialism or something

Posted by: Thunderb at January 07, 2014 11:48 AM (zOTsN)

233 What would you consider the most basic of freedoms? Life- My life is mine. I may defend it, I may sustain it. Liberty- My time is mine. I may use it as I see fit. Property- My stuff is mine. I may accumulate more, defend what I have, and use it as I see fit.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:48 AM (PYAXX)

234

A noble lie is a salve for conscience - at least the term is.  Something the liar says to himself to justify the lies.  It is another 'nobel lie' but is told by the liar to himself.

 

Rationalization is another way of putting it.

 

Now, the question isn't what the lied to will do about the lies they were told in the past; the question is what they will do when the proven liar comes back with another story?  That is where things get interesting.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 07, 2014 11:49 AM (hLRSq)

235 he admitted they did not celebrate Christmas or exchange gifts, even to their girls, because materialism or something

Posted by: Thunderb at January 07, 2014 03:48 PM (zOTsN)


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Or maybe not materialism.  Maybe some other ism that starts with an 'm' too.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 11:49 AM (P6QsQ)

236 I'm not completely certain at this point that our president, Michael Jackson, is really a human being.
In one of the MIB movies it was revealed that Dennis Rodman is, in fact, a space alien. The MIB sez "Not much of a disguise." Same with President Michael Jackson.

Posted by: Kumshtaki Obama at January 07, 2014 11:49 AM (1/4XQ)

237 Salon comments section is jean-eee-us I tell ya.

Posted by: RWC at January 07, 2014 11:50 AM (fWAjv)

238 and it's a larger problem for the GOP bc not defending romney's grandkids is one thing, the other thing is we are letting the left nip our rising stars in the bud. We let them denut the House GOP by killing DeLay with bogus prosecutions (and that thing in Alaska, eh?) so now we're left with boneless Boehner and Open Borders Nuts Ryan and Rubio. Hopefully, Cruz can build a coalition.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 07, 2014 11:50 AM (72j65)

239 Him not happy with Barry and Joey:

http://tinyurl.com/lb7ju2q

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 07, 2014 03:38 PM (oFCZn)

Even tools hate it when their home starts circling the bowl.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 11:50 AM (BZAd3)

240 What would you consider the most basic of freedoms? The one(s) that is the absolute line in the sand? (not specifically directed to you - just throwing it out there)

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 03:46 PM (P6QsQ)

 

 

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The freedom to choose.

Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 11:51 AM (4L2nK)

241 If you like your Sudetenland, you can keep your Sudetenland.

Posted by: Kumshtaki Obama at January 07, 2014 11:51 AM (1/4XQ)

242 ** because materialism or something** that's a novel interpretation

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 07, 2014 11:51 AM (72j65)

243 Remember, before he was elected king, the JEF gave an interview where he admitted they did not celebrate Christmas or exchange gifts, even to their girls, because materialism or something. Baby Jesus got three gifts. Why does the dogeater hate Baby Jesus?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 11:51 AM (8D0/R)

244 Open Borders Nuts Ryan and Rubio.
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Krispy Kreme is celebrating his signing of the tuition for illegals bill.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 11:52 AM (Hx5uv)

245 Now, the question isn't what the lied to will do about the lies they were told in the past; the question is what they will do when the proven liar comes back with another story? Which reminds me- the day I said "NO" to SuperWhy? (show on PBS Kids). The episode was about the Boy Who Cried Wolf. But instead of lying, it was just that the wolf ran away whenever the boy yelled for help. I don't know how it ended, because I snapped off the TV. The Left doesn't want you to believe in lies. If everyone lies (per Clinton) then no one does. The very word "lie" loses its meaning. Instead it is all, as Ben Kenobi might say, "true, from a certain point of view."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:52 AM (PYAXX)

246 162 According to his own autobiography, Obama selected his church in Chicago not on the basis of doctrine or faith but on the basis of the people he would meet there. Posted by: RonF at January 07, 2014 03:30 PM (AE8Vf) ****** Oprah.

Posted by: Daley Chicago- LBJ Texas at January 07, 2014 11:53 AM (RJMhd)

247 "Yet Mr. Obama’s faith is a more complicated, more private, and perhaps — religious and presidential historians say — a more inclusive affair."

Yes..."complicated and private" in the sense of being non-existent, or at best cynical and conditional and for sake of appearance when beneficial to him.

Posted by: Stu-22 at January 07, 2014 11:53 AM (AiYlm)

248 Truth, health, and liberty have nothing to do with it

It's to feed the states addiction to taxpayer dollars


That's a side issue.  The reality is that cigarette smoking was something the middle class did a lot of in the 70s and 80s that annoyed Our Betters in the New Class, so they banned it.  It's neo-feudalism all the way down.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 07, 2014 11:53 AM (B/VB5)

249 Slightly O/T, but interesting. On another blog-michelles mirror-a commenter noticed that Michelle had been left in Hawaii with Val Jarrett. Seeing as how, up to this point, Jarrett is ALWAYS at the side of Barry, she speculated that possibly Michelle was threatening divorce, and Jarrett had to remain in Hawaii to settle Michelle down. The link to the blog is in my nic.

Posted by: Chilling the most at January 07, 2014 11:53 AM (gxtMZ)

250 Democrats have wanted natl hc since Truman, possibly FDR. HC is the one area where their policies can be described as socialist, ie direct ownership. Acting like standard liberal econ policies amount to Marxism is straight up lazy. Of course you're not allowed to question the Obama=commie party line without RINO charges but Repubs used to get mileage out of criticizing liberalism as liberalism. I get it as politics of course but it's nothing more than Bush as Nazi hyperbole. Partisans just trick themselves into believing their own exaggerations.

Posted by: blue.dot at January 07, 2014 11:53 AM (pAH14)

251 Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) tells People magazine in the issue out Friday that he and his wife, Michelle, do not give Christmas or birthday presents to their two young daughters. Obama tells the magazine’s Sandra Sobieraj Westfall in a seven-page cover story that he and his wife follow the unusual practice because they “want to teach some limits.”

Posted by: Thunderb at January 07, 2014 11:53 AM (zOTsN)

252 232 - ...he and his wife follow the unusual practice because they “want to teach some limits.” - From interview 2006 ------------- Exception : $4 million vacations to Hawaii, because limits.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 07, 2014 11:54 AM (aDwsi)

253 " He is Christian in the sense that I am Christian-- that's the religion of my birth." ---------------------------------- Well, no, Ace. Both of Obama's parents were devout atheists, as were the grandparents who raised him. Or, more properly, they were anti-theists.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 07, 2014 11:54 AM (dfYL9)

254 Maybe "Burn it down" means a volcano...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:55 AM (PYAXX)

255

The episode was about the Boy Who Cried Wolf. But instead of lying, it was just that the wolf ran away whenever the boy yelled for help. I don't know how it ended, because I snapped off the TV.

 

WTF?   That   totally undercuts the entire moral of the story.    I know that's your point, but   still;     "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" is such an archetypical story that changing it in such a fundamental way is ridiculous.  It goes from being "telling lies will lead to trouble" to "not believing everything you're told will lead to trouble."   Just, WTFF?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 11:55 AM (4df7R)

256

The SCOAMF believes that true faith is living by his own values, which is exactly what he is doing when he lives the high life off the hard work of other people.

So when he is on a lavish holiday at the expense of the taxpayers he is, in fact, worshipping his one true god.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 07, 2014 11:55 AM (Xmw9g)

257 But I do not practice it and do not believe in it.

You we have hope for.
He is hopeless.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 07, 2014 11:55 AM (DL2i+)

258 This pencil-necked Socialist makes Adlai Stevenson look like a he-man.
If it appropriates like a Socialist, it is a Socialist. Dope!

Posted by: Kumshtaki Obama at January 07, 2014 11:55 AM (1/4XQ)

259 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 03:55 PM (PYAXX) Caldera.

Posted by: AMDG at January 07, 2014 11:55 AM (t7OO0)

260 and Ace misses the point that we can't rely on MSM to report these things. These "things" like his atheism or lies are "wedges" that could be use to bleed off support. The left has no problem throwing out every wedge in the book again us but we can't even get the benefit of being homophobic religious nuts by appealing to Obama's homophobic religious nut base bc GOP geniuses are worried about losing Lena Dunham's vote. We won't get those votes but maybe we could get other votes, eh?

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 07, 2014 11:55 AM (72j65)

261 A man has nothing if he does not have his word. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2014 11:56 AM (m2CN7)

262 I guess pointing out bad stuff about the DNC will only drive the moderates from the GOP.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 07, 2014 03:47 PM (72j65)



Not, pointing it out gets people disinvited from the good parties.

Posted by: monkeytoe at January 07, 2014 11:56 AM (sOx93)

263 That's a side issue. The reality is that cigarette smoking was something the middle class did a lot of in the 70s and 80s that annoyed Our Betters in the New Class, so they banned it. It's neo-feudalism all the way down.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 07, 2014 03:53 PM (B/VB5)

 

 

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This.....and more taxes for the gubmint.

Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 11:56 AM (4L2nK)

264 Acting like standard liberal econ policies amount to Marxism is straight up lazy.

Your density bends light, Clarence.

Posted by: toby928© at January 07, 2014 11:56 AM (QupBk)

265 because they “want to teach some limits.”

---------------

I taught my kids limits too but I didn't be an ass about it.

That's just very weird place to teach about limits.  Family celebrations and holidays?  "Time to teach you a lesson, girls.  You get NOTHING!"

Sounds like a great way to grow up.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 11:57 AM (P6QsQ)

266 this is, again, why the 2008 GOP campaign message of "who farted, it was us, right?" was so damning to the party. Bush and McCain took responsibility for the crash and let it appear that the insane, dishonest demorcrats were offering valid solutions. So, now, 5 years later, people are still ignorant of the basic facts and still blame Bush.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 07, 2014 11:57 AM (72j65)

267 I see the intellectual titan has returned.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 11:57 AM (4df7R)

268 That's just very weird place to teach about limits. Family celebrations and holidays? "Time to teach you a lesson, girls. You get NOTHING!" Sounds like a great way to grow up. I use Halloween to teach my kids about taxes...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:58 AM (PYAXX)

269 SCOAMF is indeed a man of deep and abiding faith...faith in himself, anyway. If you want to call malignant narcissism a form of faith.

Posted by: Stu-22 at January 07, 2014 11:58 AM (AiYlm)

270 Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 03:57 PM (P6QsQ) It's that they're too young to be considered staffers. If there were a way for the gifts to be covered by taxpayers, they'd be getting living pink ponies.

Posted by: AMDG at January 07, 2014 11:58 AM (t7OO0)

271 Livin' the moron lifestyle! Agence France-Presse ✔ @AFP Follow Australian man who got stuck in his washing machine during naked prank describes his olive oil rescue http://u.afp.com/q5u 5:04 AM - 7 Jan 2014 Nude washing machine Aussie says oil rescue

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 07, 2014 11:58 AM (7ObY1)

272 Of course, this will only be for a short time because many of the "never again" crowd will become "enlightened". Posted by: Havedash at January 07, 2014 03:45 PM (SIR+t) That's fine as long as they're not allowed to hold a job higher than swabbing cum soaked booths at a porno peep theater.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 07, 2014 11:58 AM (oFCZn)

273 Both of Obama's parents were devout atheists, as were the grandparents who raised him. Or, more properly, they were anti-theists.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 07, 2014 03:54 PM (dfYL9)

When he was registered for school in Indonesia in 1968, his religion was listed as Islam.  Of course that would be logical since it is  muslim country, but still, he did say that one of the most beautiful things to him was the muslim call to prayer.  Just sayin'.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 11:58 AM (BZAd3)

274

because they “want to teach some limits.”

 

Which is    why they take the kiddos on luxurious vacations to Vail, Aspen, Martha's Vineyard, Spain, Mexico, Hawaii...

 

Limits.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 11:59 AM (4df7R)

275 I use Halloween to teach my kids about taxes...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 03:58 PM (PYAXX)



+1


"Dad gets 1/3 cut of your bag.  Hand it over, son."


Posted by: EC at January 07, 2014 11:59 AM (GQ8sn)

276 I hope they enjoy the good parties because as McCain2008 learned, they will still cut you the moment they feel they have to do so.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 07, 2014 11:59 AM (72j65)

277 The Boy Who Cried Wolf" is such an archetypical story that changing it in such a fundamental way is ridiculous. It goes from being "telling lies will lead to trouble" to "not believing everything you're told will lead to trouble." Just, WTFF?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 03:55 PM

 

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You would be surprised     at what modern books can be changed into     in order to undercut their moral message.   If you buy       childrens'     books as gifts, be sure to read them before purchasing them.       Modern editions of many have turned the message upside down.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 07, 2014 11:59 AM (AskuI)

278 WTF? That totally undercuts the entire moral of the story. Exactly. And I'm convinced that was the point (or, at least, the lesson was seen and no one thought to change it).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 11:59 AM (PYAXX)

279 I saw somewhere else that Michelle sent out invitations to her own birthday party, and told her invited guests to "eat before you come".


The hostess with the mostest.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 12:00 PM (P6QsQ)

280 and pres. stutterfuck being a lazy atheist would be a huge wedge for a lot of on the fence voters.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 07, 2014 12:00 PM (72j65)

281 Mooch on her invitation to her multimillion dollar birthday vaca, told attendees to "eat before you come" to the party No birthday presents No Christmas presents No food Gosh they are so much fun!

Posted by: Thunderb at January 07, 2014 12:01 PM (zOTsN)

282 Of course you're not allowed to question the Obama=commie party ***** Did you say "Commie"--or did Ace say--socialism? How 'bout "communitarianism"? Is that sufficiently blurry?

Posted by: Daley Chicago- LBJ Texas at January 07, 2014 12:01 PM (RJMhd)

283 >>That's just very weird place to teach about limits. Family celebrations and holidays? "Time to teach you a lesson, girls. You get NOTHING!" I don't actually believe it. Gotta be a catch. Like "we've already bought them everything they want by the time December rolls around".

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 07, 2014 12:01 PM (SUKHu)

284 I saw somewhere else that Michelle sent out invitations to her own birthday party, and told her invited guests to "eat before you come".


The only thing that would make it better (and funnier) would be to charge the guests for the food they ate.

Posted by: EC at January 07, 2014 12:01 PM (GQ8sn)

285 I saw somewhere else that Michelle sent out invitations to her own birthday party, and told her invited guests to "eat before you come".

Nom nom nom. *squirt*

Posted by: Reggie Love at January 07, 2014 12:01 PM (DrWcr)

286 Jeebus blue.dot maybe Hillary can use-- Blurred Lines as a campaign song!

Posted by: Daley Chicago- LBJ Texas at January 07, 2014 12:02 PM (RJMhd)

287 But you know, I respect an atheist who doesn't celebrate Christmas. It males more sense than trying to wedge some meaning into the whole thing. Like listening to songs about snow being the true meaning of Christmas. Don't culturally appropriate, dude.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 07, 2014 12:03 PM (72j65)

288 More is coming to light with Robert Gates' new memoirs. Been reading a bit of the columns posted at Drudge (oh no!), and boy oh boy. The idea that JEF was not interested in Afghanistan... while men and women were dying for the cause... Pure evil. Not an emotion in that cold, soul-less body.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 07, 2014 12:03 PM (IXrOn)

289 The only thing that would make it better (and funnier) would be to charge the guests for the food they ate.

Posted by: EC at January 07, 2014 04:01 PM (GQ8sn)

 

Cash bar.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 12:04 PM (4df7R)

290 Cash bar.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 04:04 PM (4df7R)


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LOL

Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 12:04 PM (P6QsQ)

291 Mooch on her invitation to her multimillion dollar birthday vaca, told attendees to "eat before you come" to the party No birthday presents No Christmas presents No food Gosh they are so much fun! And these are the parties everyone wants to be invited to?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 12:05 PM (8D0/R)

292 "Dad gets 1/3 cut of your bag. Hand it over, son."

Posted by: EC at January 07, 2014 03:59 PM (GQ8sn)

 

 

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And your momma needs a third for a vacation. 

Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 12:05 PM (4L2nK)

293 O/T but I are confused about this whole "polar vortex" thing. Is that for real or just something made up to scare people into consuming more media?

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at January 07, 2014 12:05 PM (RZ8pf)

294 You say you're a Christian, Mr. Obama? Let's hear your stance on Sodom and Gomorrah.

I don't thing I've ever tried Gomorrahy.

Posted by: TFG[/i][/b][/s] at January 07, 2014 12:05 PM (DL2i+)

295 Nood.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 12:06 PM (8D0/R)

296 Until someone told him it wasn't a very good idea to be seen that way, obama used to not put his hand over his heart during the playing of the star spangled banner. You can google it.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 07, 2014 12:06 PM (0hIQR)

297 O/T but I are confused about this whole "polar vortex" thing. Is that for real or just something made up to scare people into consuming more media?

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at January 07, 2014 04:05 PM (RZ8pf)


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yes.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 07, 2014 12:07 PM (nELVU)

298 I got nothing and you all are depressing the shit out of me.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 07, 2014 12:07 PM (0FSuD)

299 A few years ago I got into it with a progressive about gay marriage, and pointed out that Sarah Palin's opinion - civil unions - was the same as Obama's. She responded, "Obama really believes in gay marriage. He just had to say that to get elected," and she was totally fine with being lied to. The ends justify the means if you're a progressive.

Posted by: biancaneve at January 07, 2014 12:09 PM (2sR50)

300 273----When he was registered for school in Indonesia in 1968, his religion was listed as Islam. Of course that would be logical since it is muslim country, but still, he did say that one of the most beautiful things to him was the muslim call to prayer. Just sayin'. Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 03:58 PM (BZAd3) ------------------------ His stepfather Lolo Soetero was a secularist or functional atheist but he obviously did not have the same overt hostility to religion that the Dunham clan did. Hence he had no problem enrolling the boy in a school that required some religious instruction. It would only be natural for Lolo to pick Islam, the religion of his own birth, for Barry. But the Soeteros did not practice it. You have to figure that Islam is the only religion for which Barry feels any affection since it's the only one he was exposed to as a kid. And that was during the period where he had something resembling a normal family life.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 07, 2014 12:10 PM (dfYL9)

301 249 Slightly O/T, but interesting. On another blog-michelles mirror-a commenter noticed that Michelle had been left in Hawaii with Val Jarrett. Seeing as how, up to this point, Jarrett is ALWAYS at the side of Barry, she speculated that possibly Michelle was threatening divorce, and Jarrett had to remain in Hawaii to settle Michelle down. The link to the blog is in my nic. Link broken. Why would Michelle ever leave Barry? Where the fuck would her mother live? If Michelle leaves the WH, you can bet fat as mother in law will too.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 07, 2014 12:14 PM (0FSuD)

302 but I are confused about this whole "polar vortex" thing. Is that for real or just something made up to scare people into consuming more media?

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at January 07, 2014 04:05 PM (RZ8pf)

 

The polar vortex is a thing, but they're trying to   make it into something  unusual and scary.    

 

 Basically,   there's always   a    cyclone of cold air      above the north and south poles.   These    cyclones - the polar vortices -- get stronger in winter and weaker in summer, but they're always there.   

 

The news people are trying to make it seem that AGW is somehow    fucking with the jet stream and    expanding the polar vortex   above the north pole.      That's so    laughably absurd I can't even...    

 

It's like El Nino.   It happens.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 12:14 PM (4df7R)

303 283 Gotta be a catch. Like "we've already bought them everything they want by the time December rolls around". Posted by: Mama AJ at January 07, 2014 04:01 PM (SUKHu) ---------------------- BINGO! Those girls are barely in their teens and are already wearing designer clothes. Hell, the little one was sporting $800 designer boots a few weeks ago. This is weird. Spoil the kids rotten with material things but don't have a special occasion to do it? That way it's ALL about loot and nothing about gratitude or something, ANYTHING bigger than the self.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 07, 2014 12:15 PM (dfYL9)

304 Gosh they are so much fun! Posted by: Thunderb at January 07, 2014 04:01 PM (zOTsN) We're stopping in Denver on the way home, trust me the party will be fun. Bring Doritos

Posted by: Mochelle at January 07, 2014 12:15 PM (0FSuD)

305 I saw somewhere else that Michelle sent out invitations to her own birthday party, and told her invited guests to "eat before you come". The hostess with the mostest. Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 04:00 PM (P6QsQ) I wonder if you also have to cork it, because the toilet seats are tired down? Man would I lover to overflow obama's toilet!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2014 12:16 PM (t3UFN)

306 The left is broadly in favor of atheism and broadly hostile to faith (particularly the Christian faith). I would have to disagree with this statement slightly. The Left is not hostile to faith. Many, many liberals attend churches. What they are opposed to are conservative religions. Over the years, I have observed a trend. Conservatives tend to gravitate to religions that practice conservative religious beliefs such as belief that the Bible is the true word of God. This parallels with the conservative belief that the Constitution means what it says. Also, conservative churches also believe in self-rule. They may form into loose organizations that have no real authority over the members. The individual churches choose their own pastors and decide how they wish to spend their money. Liberals tend to gravitate toward liberal churches. They believe that the Bible is a nice story, but that there are penumbras and emanations hidden in it, much like they view the Constitution. They form big "government" institutions to rule over them and tell what to do and how to do it. I saw he best example of this about 10 years ago. A local, liberal church was changing pastors. They weren't unhappy with their preacher at all. It just happened that a preacher at another church in the state need to change. It led to 10 pastors being moved among 10 churches in the state. Noe of the churches had a vote on who it would be, They were told to suck it up and deal with whoever they got.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at January 07, 2014 12:17 PM (nj9sX)

307

Mooch on her invitation to her multimillion dollar birthday vaca, told attendees to "eat before you come"

 

And shave before you eat. Unless you like furburger with a side order of thighs. Then you can eat me.

Posted by: Big Mooch at January 07, 2014 12:19 PM (wAQA5)

308 "obama is steeped in islam" "the first couple are not "church people"" "But when I asked Wright if he converted Obama to Christianity, he said "I don't think so."" "he knew little of Christianity and that Wright taught Obama how to accept Jesus without denouncing his family and friends in the Muslim community" "Wright said of the Obamas, "These are not church people." As far as Michelle was concerned, that she was not brought up in the church and as far as the couple themselves, the church is not very important to them." "There is no question he wants the country to think of him as a devout Christian." http://tinyurl.com/6oyct5h THE NEW YORK FUCKING TIMES EVEN COVERED THIS: "Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”" http://tinyurl.com/ppyo26y obama has picked the most extreme faction of islam over the other in THREE FUCKING COUNTRIES NOW: libya...egypt...syria... HE TREATS ISRAEL LIKE OUR ENEMY AND IRAN AS OUR ALLY he says NOTHING when Christians are SLAUGHTERED all over the globe for being CHRISTIAN HE IS TOTALLY TOTALLY OUT IN THE OPEN FOR ANYONE AND EVERYONE TO SEE

Posted by: sound awake at January 07, 2014 12:24 PM (pk/NG)

309 I said back then that I believed Obama when he said he never heard Wright say anything nasty, for the simple reason that I doubted he attended that church more than a handful of times.

Posted by: CTD at January 07, 2014 12:27 PM (ivP9B)

310 "Yet Mr. Obama’s faith is a more complicated, more private, and perhaps — religious and presidential historians say — a more inclusive affair." Mr. Obama's faith at TUCC was 'inclusive???'

Posted by: Les Aspin at January 07, 2014 12:29 PM (MMC8r)

311 >>Likewise, while the sheer audacity of the presidentÂ’s unilateral changes have surprised nearly everyone, the fact that the law has dangerously conferred upon the executive branch an almost unlimited power to shape the regulations and the insurance market as it sees fit has not. This, as was observed ad nauseam during the debate, is not so much a law as it is an enabling act.<<

This has always been my major concern. That Obamacare was, more than anything else, a vehicle by which the government, in particular the Executive Branch, could impose their will upon the American public. It completely embodied the fallacious, despotic notion that constitutional powers can be legislated to another branch or rights could taken from citizens without constitutionally articulated, democratic process. It is ultimately despicable in its lies, distortions, pathos pleas and alleged noble goals that it hides behind to beguile and entrance the American people.

I really don't believe people have fully realized how much, even beyond control of their health care, they've given up in Obamacare. Even with the at-will legislating by the Executive Branch Departments that is taken place, it still seems to me most people don't see the real danger. To wit, what are the limits of such powers and where does it end?

Surely I ultimately thought that SCOTUS would at least see this issue. But that was not to be and they proved themselves as nothing more than a useless, unelected part of the Washington Establishment, concerned only with their own perception and well being. It is why I find John Roberts utterly contemptible. 

Posted by: Marcus at January 07, 2014 12:31 PM (GGCsk)

312 That's funny. For the media, when Obama rarely attends church- something most presidents have done- he is being MORE religious and MORE presidential than Any. Other. President...EVAH!

Totes Mc-Goats.

Posted by: Book at January 07, 2014 12:35 PM (qWES6)

313 He is Christian in the sense that I am Christian-- that's the religion of my birth. But I do not practice it and do not believe in it. Rev Wright wrote a book that mentions talks about Obama's conversations about Jesus with him. Short version: Wright all but says that Obama, when he considers himself anything at all, considers himself a Muslim that believes that Jesus is important to Liberation Theology. Islam is the religion of Barry's childhood. He just doesn't really practice or believe it. Of course you'll both burn in Hell for sure. You filthy dirty furry heathen.

Posted by: Daybrother is learning restraint at January 07, 2014 12:36 PM (aL1qE)

314 NYT changes the meaning of words. 'Religious' now means "doesn't give a flying monkey fart about religion" and 'Presidential' means "he's really good at campaigning."

Posted by: Book at January 07, 2014 12:37 PM (qWES6)

315 "...if someone dared to suggest I'm not really a Christian. Spoiler alert: I'm really not."

**

Ace is a Jew??!!


Who knew!!??


Posted by: dananjcon at January 07, 2014 12:48 PM (wmU4G)

316

To the left, leftism is their religion, and they practice it as such. They believe what they believe and if you disagree, you are WRONG. Period. No debate neccessary because they know they are right.

 

The next step when you know you are always unequivocally right (particularly when you believe the other side is not just wrong, but evil) is simply a page out of the Muslim playbook about lying to non-believers being okay if it furthers the cause.

Posted by: RM at January 07, 2014 01:18 PM (fRppw)

317 Talk radio is a medium that refines truth with the sluice of logic. The left wonders why they can't succeed in that medium. Ace has the answer.

Posted by: Dennis at January 07, 2014 01:19 PM (sb8LP)

318 Oh yeah we sit around and sing Christmas Carols. Who does that really?

Posted by: kansas at January 07, 2014 01:45 PM (mka2b)

319 I figured out how to share this to Facebook. I'll link it on my blog, then I'll share that post to Facebook. Fellow morons, please feel free to favorite it as well. Still don't know how to get Ace onto the blogroll, so I guess he'll have to live without all that sweet Rebuttals by Martin Bashir traffic for now.

Posted by: Dave M at January 07, 2014 01:45 PM (dbm77)

320 "I won't cum in your mouth."---- Another Noble Lie Told By Bill Clinton

Posted by: Noble Lies & Phat-Bottomed Girls Make The Rockin' World Go Round at January 07, 2014 01:47 PM (nbGZj)

321 Meh. The Left feels that if they confess to lying, they've mitigated the ill's caused by those lies. "Yes, honey, I was cheating on you. But thanks for understanding. M-kay?"

Posted by: socalcon at January 07, 2014 01:56 PM (vHlQ5)

322

-By "more inclusive," the New York Times intends to mean that he doesn't upset any religious minority by observing any religion at all-

Yeah, BUT he celebrated Eid-al-Fitr  at the White House with a selection of Muslim American supporters after observing Ramadan this August so to say he doesn't 'observe any religion at all' is probably any honest mistake.

Posted by: Speller at January 07, 2014 02:40 PM (J74Py)

323 "He is Christian in the sense that I am Christian-- that's the religion of my birth." O born Christian? Perhaps muslim, perhaps athiest, perhaps bag-o-dicksian, but I'm not sure that he has ever even MET a Christian.

Posted by: 4th ID RVN at January 07, 2014 03:01 PM (sK0Ia)

324 " He is Christian in the sense that I am Christian-- that's the religion of my birth." No, he is not. He was born of take your pick of Muslim fathers, attended a a madrassa, calls the call to prayer the most beautiful sound on earth and was raised by communists. He is not remotely Christian.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 07, 2014 05:10 PM (Y92Nd)

325 Oh yeah we sit around and sing Christmas Carols. Who does that really? Posted by: kansas at January 07, 2014 05:45 PM (mka2b) I do. I skip church, because in NYC, they're all watered down and pointless. So, we sing carols here. Actual carols, not just holiday songs. I find it very comforting.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 07, 2014 05:13 PM (Y92Nd)

326 Mele Kalikimaka -- I want to cockpunch that fucker.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 07, 2014 05:13 PM (Y92Nd)

327 because materialism or something Posted by: Thunderb at January 07, 2014 03:48 PM (zOTsN) Is he fucking serious? The Obamas spend four times more than the Windsors.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 07, 2014 05:18 PM (Y92Nd)

328 "Mooch on her invitation to her multimillion dollar birthday vaca, told attendees to "eat before you come" to the party " That's because even the LSM can't cover up ritual human sacrifice and cannibalism in the White House.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 07, 2014 05:20 PM (Y92Nd)

329 Atheism is the most anti-science faith system of all the other established faiths.

To believe in the atheist faith you have to either....
1) Believe something came from nothing
...or....
2) Believe the universe has always been around forever

Both of those conjectures are far more nonsensical than Christianity and the Bible.

The above you'll never here in your average liberal university or grad school.
I provided it for free.  Thank you very much.

Posted by: john Doesky at January 07, 2014 06:44 PM (ugejt)

330 Another one of my favorites, Ace. Well done.

Posted by: Tommy V at January 07, 2014 11:58 PM (8tZ36)

331 Communists do not go to church.

Posted by: burt at January 09, 2014 01:39 PM (1+kJ5)

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