February 11, 2014

Top Headline Comments 2-11-14
— Gabriel Malor

Happy Tuesday.

Transparency! On Monday, Labor Department officials blocked a reporter from a public event because they didn't want him asking unapproved questions of Sec. Tom Perez.

Rep. Cantor's office on the the latest unilateral, unlawful Obamacare delay:


Our own Slublog also responded, the way only he can:


David Freddoso thinks "the case of the missing jobs" explains the latest Obamacare delay. Also, note his prediction at the bottom.

Shirley Temple died.

I thought this was well-known, but my friend tells me that the "stand down" order has become the commonly-held, but inaccurate conventional wisdom about Benghazi.

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1 morning folks!

Posted by: wing.....and a prayer at February 11, 2014 02:54 AM (dLNm7)

2 Allelujah! Morning thread. Tom Maguire does us all a favor and kicks Krugwhiner around again. http://bit.ly/1cs0sL2

Posted by: MTF at February 11, 2014 02:55 AM (7ynIk)

3 a balmy -18 here this morning, I shudder to think of what I would be if we didn't have globul warming to help us out

Posted by: wing.....and a prayer at February 11, 2014 02:55 AM (dLNm7)

4 DAY 469 1,001 to go (1,074 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, McConnell's, McAuliffe's, MIRV's, Mexifornians, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, microagressors, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 02:56 AM (olDqf)

5 RIP to Shirley Temple.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 02:57 AM (olDqf)

6 I thought this was well-known, but my friend tells me that the "stand down" order has become the commonly-held, but inaccurate conventional wisdom about Benghazi.

That does not vitiate the charge that State did not do all it could have done to support those in Benghazi.

Posted by: Cosmo Kramer [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 11, 2014 02:59 AM (6T8Ay)

7 Six to ten inches of snow, topped off with freezing rain in forecast for tomorrow night here in SE Pa. The nightmare winter from hell continues unabated. At this rate 'summer vacation' for school children will begin and end on Labor Day weekend.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at February 11, 2014 02:59 AM (CnA98)

8 As to Eric Cantor... FUCK YOU, CANTOR.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:00 AM (olDqf)

9 1,001 to go (1,074 to Inauguration Day 2017)

J.J., I'm disappointed.

I thought you'd have a multimedia extravaganza ready for today since there's 1,001 days left to go.

Something like, 1,001 Ways Obama Has Screwed America

There's certainly no shortage of material...

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 11, 2014 03:01 AM (6T8Ay)

10 I mean, really. Does Cantor think doing cute Photoshop will translate into people believing he is fighting SCOAMF tooth and nail?! I am really, really steamed. The GOP can go get fucked and if there is a G-d in Heaven, it will.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:02 AM (olDqf)

11 9 Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 11, 2014 07:01 AM (6T8Ay) It's just a milepost. Just listen to music like "Bolero" and Edwin Starr's "25 Miles" and take it from there.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:04 AM (olDqf)

12 Fuck me? Why? All I did was draw up a logo for Obamacare. Oh wait, is that the issue? You are thinking I should do more than art projects? Well, ok then. I will.

Posted by: Eric Cantor at February 11, 2014 03:04 AM (7ynIk)

13

I didn't know about Temple, otherwise I'd have had a couple of stories ready to go.  But tomorrow is another day, as someone once said.

 

In the meantime, an oldie but goodie - Zero Mostel casts an appreciative eye over Shirley's own pair of Temples:

 

http://tinyurl.com/mdftj46


 

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 03:05 AM (zF6Iw)

14 “I was not ordered to stand down. I was ordered to {remain in place}‘Stand down’ implies that we cease all operations, cease all activities. We continued to support the team that was in Tripoli. We continued to maintain visibility of the events as they unfolded. … If we would have went into Benghazi, it could have been catastrophic,” Gibson said in June.

so they watched .  well ok then.

so the painting the target  by Woods?

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 03:06 AM (nqBYe)

15 @10 Its obamas good fortune his oppenents are a drunk, a man who has no discernable neck, and bespecled dandy! The gop as currently constituted is worthless in every way imaginable.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 11, 2014 03:06 AM (eiJIn)

16 Well, ok then. I will.

Posted by: Eric Cantor at February 11, 2014 07:04 AM (7ynIk)


Don't tell us, interpretive dance, right?

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 11, 2014 03:07 AM (6T8Ay)

17

I couldnÂ’t sleep this morning, so you get a story:

 

 

ItÂ’s no surprise that, for all the air kisses and the “loves” and “darlings,” couples in Hollywood movies donÂ’t always get along.  In 1922s Beyond the Rocks, competing idols Rudolph Valentino and Gloria Swanson were paired for the only time in their careers.  Swanson loathed Valentino, once remarking, “who says that faggotÂ’s the worldÂ’s greatest lover?” while Valentino, for his part, made it his job to ensure Swanson was miserable throughout the entire shoot.

 

 

One scene in Rocks took place on a yacht, which was anchored out in Catalina Bay.  As it happened, almost the entire crew and cast were seasick through the shoot, no remedy known to man able to cure them.  Valentino managed to hold his own, but he turned the situation to his advantage.  One afternoon, after a hearty meal of spaghetti,* Rudy crushed a clove of garlic in his mouth and prepared for a deep kiss with La Swanson.  They shot the scene, but as soon as the director called “cut,” Swanson broke away, calling Valentino a “stinking dago” and cursing his childish behavior.

 

 

For the next clinch, Valentino smeared Limburger cheese on his lips.  As the two kissed, Swanson struggled in his arms, but the Great Lover held her to him, pressing his lips to hers without mercy.  When the kiss ended, Swanson managed to scream “Not only does he eat garlic, now heÂ’s eating shit!” before heaving over the rail.

 

 

That ended the seagoing shots.

 

 

HereÂ’s a lobby card for Beyond the Rocks:  http://tinyurl.com/qe5982c


 

Hope you all have a wonderful day.

 

*Valentino was a good cook and, in spite of his Latin Lover image, a homebody.  He loved nothing more than to whip up a bowl of spaghetti for friends.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 03:07 AM (zF6Iw)

18 slublogs rendition of Obama's Lawfulness is well done.

short and sweet.

"it's The Law"!

maybe today maybe next year or the year after or well just someyear/

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 03:12 AM (nqBYe)

19 Per Slublog, would be nice to have a piece of paper that read "The Constitution of the United States" with the dates 1789 underlined in red ink. Then grab the momzer by his jug ears and fling him into the Potomac.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:14 AM (olDqf)

20

The New Yorker seems to be saying Holder will be stepping down this year.

 

Seems like I've heard this before. Is this real or another head fake?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 11, 2014 03:14 AM (/qzu7)

21 Too bad Cantor and the rest of that useless GOP leadership can't be more active in getting the stupid law repealed. Posting drivel and banter on Twitter is not indicative of leadership.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 11, 2014 03:15 AM (60Vyp)

22 20 The New Yorker seems to be saying Holder will be stepping down this year. Seems like I've heard this before. Is this real or another head fake? Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 11, 2014 07:14 AM (/qzu7) The question is where is he going??? Friends close and enemies closer sort of thing.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:16 AM (olDqf)

23 Has Ace or anyone on Twitter replied to Cantor's dumbassery?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:17 AM (olDqf)

24 Ou est Vic c'est matin?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:17 AM (olDqf)

25 Ou est Vic c'est matin?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:17 AM (olDqf)

26 Gotta go get the paper, get the papers...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:18 AM (olDqf)

27 Obama even signs his name like a retard.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 11, 2014 03:18 AM (bS6uW)

28 i for one am glad Obama is sensitive to the needs of so many.. He glooms right in on those that need help with non compliance.
Using His mighty words and pen to hold hell back for so many.




except the average Joe.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 03:19 AM (nqBYe)

29 I shudder to think who might replace Holder. Seriously, we're so deep in enemy territory here it could be anyone. Fucking Bill Ayers wouldn't surprise me at this point.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 11, 2014 03:22 AM (bS6uW)

30 JJ Sefton. dunno but maybe it would read like slublogs twitter comment.

Cantor;  We will do something
we  Really Will do something
Someday we Might do Something. We'll Let you know/.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 03:22 AM (nqBYe)

31 A few times a week, when I sign off of Twitter, I'll post a video and a goodnight message. A couple of weeks ago I posted a daring Shirley Temple vid and then made the mistake of reading the comments. There are some sick ckufs in this world. This is the vid. You just know they're a bunch of liberal nutjobs. http://bit.ly/1iVYKpK

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 03:22 AM (DmNpO)

32

As to Eric Cantor...

FUCK YOU, CANTOR.

 

 

 

Seconded.  Also needs repeating.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 11, 2014 03:23 AM (BAS5M)

33 People get hung up on the terminology, and I think that causes undue problems when you're trying to create an accurate narrative.

I don't know what constitutes a "stand down," and I'm reasonably sure most of the people talking about it like they are experts never heard of the idea before they decided to call themselves experts.

Four people are dead, and they are dead because this administration chose to let them die. 

If you can't "sell" that  to the American people, then you don't deserve to be standing in line waiting to take the reigns of power. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2014 03:24 AM (BeSEI)

34 Don't tell us, interpretive dance, right? =========================== Sure, if no one would be offended. Wouldn't want to offend anyone.

Posted by: Eric Cantor at February 11, 2014 03:24 AM (7ynIk)

35 27 Obama even signs his name like a retard. Posted by: Blacksheep at February 11, 2014 07:18 AM (bS6uW) The "O" and the "b" is a self portrait of his ass cheeks and Reggie's dick.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:25 AM (olDqf)

36 RIP Shirley Temple - that was some life! Earned $3mil before puberty but turned out okay. Abe Vigoda's website wouldn't open for me just now. Think I'll call my mom today... Mornin' glories! Ah! Coffee's brewed!

Posted by: mindful webworker at February 11, 2014 03:26 AM (ItCyz)

37 29 I shudder to think who might replace Holder. Seriously, we're so deep in enemy territory here it could be anyone. Fucking Bill Ayers wouldn't surprise me at this point. Posted by: Blacksheep at February 11, 2014 07:22 AM (bS6uW) How ironic? 40 odd years later and we'll be the ones hurling Molotov cocktails and pipe bombs at federal buildings with him inside.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:26 AM (olDqf)

38 Vic seems to have declared himself free from employment-lock.

Posted by: MTF at February 11, 2014 03:26 AM (7ynIk)

39

We continue to vent our anger and frustration at the likes of Cantor and Boner, all to no effect. Because they aren't listening and don't care.

 

But what about the ones that put them in office? Who are the fucktards that actually keep voting for these quislings?

 

Is there a way to show the dimwits who continue to vote for these fucking guys over and over again the error of their ways?

 

There has to be a way to rub their noses in the shit sandwiches they keep feeding us through proxy.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 11, 2014 03:28 AM (/qzu7)

40

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 07:22 AM (DmNpO)

 

NDH, I don't do Twatter.  What was the vid?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 03:29 AM (zF6Iw)

41 uh, darling

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 03:29 AM (DmNpO)

42 So we have 1,001 more grim milestones before the day of Exodus?

Hope Shirley Temple has set sail on the good ship Lollipop.

And I had a nightmare that woke me at 3am.  Ugh.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 03:30 AM (Z/g31)

43 NDH, I don't do Twatter. What was the vid? *** The Goodship Lollipop. I linked it above.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 03:30 AM (DmNpO)

44 I want global warming back. The candidate who promises me more AGW gets my vote.

Posted by: MTF at February 11, 2014 03:31 AM (7ynIk)

45 Today's celebrity birthdays: Jean Baptiste Charbonneau (papoose) Alexander Stephens (VPCSA #1 ) Melville Fuller (CJ-SCOTUS #8 ) Thomas Edison (groovy sounds) Joseph L. Mankiewicz (4x Oscar) Sidney Schechtel (a.k.a. Sidney Sheldon) Eva Gabor (Times Square) Lloyd Bentsen (condescending p****) Leslie Nielsen (he had lasagna) Paul Comi (phaser coolant casualty) Tina Louise (Ginger is 80 today) Burt Reynolds (BAN-ONE) Sérgio Mendes (http://youtu.be/tfXnoi5bKTs ) Philip Anglim (lost to Winn) Jeb Bush (FL Gov #43 ) Richard Mastracchio (STS-106, STS-118, STS-131, Soyuz TMA-11M, Expedition 38/39 ) Carey Lowell (mother of 2 ) Sheryl Crow (thankfully over) Diane Franklin (got the Camaro running) Sarah Palin (AK's Gov #9 is 50 today) Jennifer Aniston (45 today) Taylor Lautner (woof)

Posted by: Gran at February 11, 2014 03:31 AM (mw0FO)

46 Oh wait, is that the issue? You are thinking I should do more than art projects?

Well, ok then. I will.

Posted by: Eric Cantor at February 11, 2014 07:04 AM (7ynIk)



Take that greasy roadkill off your dome and send it back to Hair Club for Men.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 11, 2014 03:31 AM (1jHFq)

47 You know it's a bad winter when the local weather blog here in KC is talking about how much the weather is going to suck in the next couple of days...


In the Deep South

Posted by: HH at February 11, 2014 03:32 AM (XXwdv)

48 42 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 07:30 AM (Z/g31) I'm reticent to cheer anything, vis a vis the countdown. Remember, it's no guarantee that our side actually wins the election. I just am counting the days that this horrible piece of shit exits the White House.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:32 AM (olDqf)

49 Eric Cantor ,Perhaps you will sing a new tune after  the next election cycle.

or not.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 03:34 AM (nqBYe)

50 Marie Dressler, Charles Farrell, Wallace Beery, Joe E. Brown are some of the top box office names before Shirley Temple appeared in pictures. I have heard of three of them (but I am an oddball). I bet most Americans have heard of none of them. Fame is fleeting.

Posted by: Baldy at February 11, 2014 03:34 AM (2bql3)

51 You know it's a bad winter when the local weather blog here in KC is talking about how much the weather is going to suck in the next couple of days... In the Deep South *** there were pics all over twitter last night of empty store shelves in Atlanta. It cracked me up. No matter how bad it gets, how long do the panicked fools think it will last?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 03:34 AM (DmNpO)

52 45 Posted by: Gran at February 11, 2014 07:31 AM (mw0FO) Sometimes I have no idea who some of these people are and your clues don't help. Then again, I'm a schmuck.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:34 AM (olDqf)

53 morning Anna, sorry  about the bad dream.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 03:34 AM (nqBYe)

54 "I was not ordered to stand down. I was ordered to remain in place...." Sure glad we got that question all cleared up! Now, I'm a lifelong civvy, mostly unfamiliar with the nuances of military discipline and jargon, but, out in the not-uniformed world, that kind of fine-hair-splitting language might be considered a tad disingenuous, to say the least.

Posted by: mindful webworker at February 11, 2014 03:34 AM (ItCyz)

55 49 Eric Cantor ,Perhaps you will sing a new tune after the next election cycle. or not. Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 07:34 AM (nqBYe) Sadly, the only people in districts like his that seem to win are Democrats. But with Republicans like Cantor, we don't need Democrats (hint-hint).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:35 AM (olDqf)

56 Six to ten inches of snow, topped off with freezing rain in forecast for tomorrow night here in SE Pa. The nightmare winter from hell continues unabated.

At this rate 'summer vacation' for school children will begin and end on Labor Day weekend. Posted by: Regular Moron at February 11, 2014 06:59 AM (CnA9



Same thing down here (here being NWNC).   The difference is that down here we are utterly unprepared to deal with something like that.

I was telling a friend of mine in Toronto about it and she asked if that was enough for me to get a snow day from work and I told her there was a decent chance it would knock me out of work for two days, if not the rest of the week.


Let's just say there was mocking.  Oh how there was mocking.


To go back to the why work bitches discussion of yesterday, my immediate response is fuck you snow I can't be out of work, I have shit to do.  And that is why those on the Left who are all oh hey we can crap all over the concept of a work ethic believe that the wheel will continue to turn since they assume that those of us who have that immediate response will continue to do so no matter what.   Yeah.  I'm not taking that bet.  

Posted by: alexthechick - We beseech thee of great SMOD at February 11, 2014 03:36 AM (Gk3SS)

57 The New Yorker seems to be saying Holder will be stepping down this year.

Seems like I've heard this before. Is this real or another head fake?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 11, 2014 07:14 AM (/qzu7)



I'll believe it when it happens.  The chinless asswipe is one of the favorites of the Iranian Ferret and I don't even know if he goes through the motions of even interacting with Gaylord Focker.  If Boehner had a hair on his drunk ass he'd begin impeachment proceedings on the cocksucker.



Btw, do children today even watch Shirley Temple movies?  My girls enjoyed them quite a bit and they contain timeless truths.  Anybody who doesn't like Shirley Temple is probably going to Hell; the science is settled.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 11, 2014 03:36 AM (1jHFq)

58 wow... actually read & commented on Gabe's morning post before reading horde comments. I obviously must be still waking up! (Thanks, Gabe!)

Posted by: mindful webworker at February 11, 2014 03:36 AM (ItCyz)

59 mindful and Woods was not painting a target but bored and playing  fetch with a kitten.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 03:36 AM (nqBYe)

60

Ah, "Lollipop."

 

There have always been sick fcuks.  I've told before about the MGM-run brothel called "Mae's," where you got to sleep (for a hefty price) with star lookalikes.  Shirley Temple was the most requested name.  Louis Mayer, to his credit, said, "We're not going to turn MGM into a child sex ring!", so the Temple request wasn't fulfilled until a girl who was 18 but looked 13 was found.  She would later report that the men who used her services almost always used a variation of the "Lollipop" line.

 

There's a foot of snow on the way for Thursday.  Recalling the Empress' cri du coeur from yesterday, why the hell am I at work any more?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 03:37 AM (zF6Iw)

61 Today;s hymn of faith: My song is Love unknown" Words by Samuel Crossman who lived from 1623-1683 Born: 1623, Brad­field Mon­a­chor­um, Suf­folk, Eng­land. Died: Feb­ru­a­ry 4, 1683, Bris­tol, Eng­land. Buried: South aisle, ca­thed­ral church, Bris­tol, Eng­land. Crossman earned a Ba­che­lor of Di­vin­i­ty at Pem­broke Coll­ege, Cam­bridge After grad­u­a­tion, he min­is­tered to both an An­gli­can con­gre­ga­tion at All Saints, Sud­bu­ry, and to a Pur­i­tan con­gre­ga­tion as well. Cross­man sym­pa­thized with the Pur­i­tan cause, and at­tend­ed the 1661 Sa­voy Con­fer­ence, which at­tempt­ed to up­date the Book of Com­mon Pray­er so both Pur­i­tans and An­gli­cans could use it. The con­fer­ence failed, and the 1662 Act of Un­i­form­i­ty ex­pelled some 2,000 min­is­ters from the Church, in­clud­ing Cross­man. He re­cant­ed short­ly there­af­ter, and was or­dained in 1665, be­com­ing a roy­al chap­lain. He re­ceived a post at Bris­tol in 1667, and be­came Dean of Bris­tol Ca­thed­ral in 1683. I was not aware of this hymn, but found it in my internet searches. This is a beautiful version by Fernando Ortega and has lovely photos with it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbsj7tBQjdk Jesus said (Matthew 28:20) "I am with you always even till the end of the age."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2014 03:37 AM (XyM/Y)

62 No matter how bad it gets, how long do the panicked fools think it will last?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

I had read one time, that the reason all of the bread, milk and eggs disappear before a big storm, is that during a crisis, man has a desire for french toast.

Posted by: Bruce at February 11, 2014 03:37 AM (ldUl0)

63 JJ @ 52 Anyone in particular that you're curious about?

Posted by: Gran at February 11, 2014 03:38 AM (mw0FO)

64 BTW, Anna, got your notes and will look over them at lunch.  Thank you so much.  Let me know if the project takes up too much time and I'll stop sending things.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 03:38 AM (zF6Iw)

65 57 Posted by: Captain Hate at February 11, 2014 07:36 AM (1jHFq) I was going to make a crude comment about Shirley Temple and Bill Robinson, but I like them (and you) too much and I'm already going to the Infernal Reaches.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:38 AM (olDqf)

66

Tina Louise (Ginger is 80 today)

 

And looks every day of it, poor thing.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 03:39 AM (zF6Iw)

67 No matter how bad it gets, how long do the panicked fools think it will last? Our local utility contracts with a tree service company. They 'cleaned up' our little town just last spring. When the storm hit something like 99% of our homes were without power. I went four days without power, six days without phone, tv, internet. Ice storms are bad, real bad. To have one that far south pretty much proves Al Gore is a charlatan.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at February 11, 2014 03:39 AM (CnA98)

68 63 JJ @ 52 Anyone in particular that you're curious about? Posted by: Gran at February 11, 2014 07:38 AM (mw0FO) Jean Baptiste Charbonneau, Philip Anglim, Carey Lowell?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:40 AM (olDqf)

69 Joe E. Brown would tour the CBI in WWII keeping troop morale up.  I remember Col. Robert Scott, CO 23rd FG CATF/14AF talking about him.  Beery I have seen some of the pictures he has been in.

Thanks willow.  It was a scene I would imagine in something like SAW but I refuse to watch those kinds of movies.  Seems Matt Damon had his head shaved and was possessed by some evil entity...   so George Clooney had Matt strapped to a chair.  And there was a valve being turned.  Clooney was screaming.  And to stop the entity Clooney takes a chainsaw knife to Matt's skull.  Ugh.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 03:40 AM (Z/g31)

70 shirley temple? that makes me sad.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 16 days (2wks 2days) until spring training at February 11, 2014 03:40 AM (u8GsB)

71 1,001 to go counteth JJ the Countdowner? Tomorrow we party! Only a thousand days 'til King Barry nullifies elections and declares himself Emperor for Eternity. I'll bring chocolate chip cookies and Khalua.

Posted by: mindful webworker at February 11, 2014 03:40 AM (ItCyz)

72 66 Tina Louise (Ginger is 80 today) And looks every day of it, poor thing. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 07:39 AM (zF6Iw) My buddy used to be her daughter's literary manager. Good writer but a complete nut-job.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:41 AM (olDqf)

73 MPPP I honestly want you to write a smashing success.  Once I get some of my writing down plus a certification test will take a look at the other chapters.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 03:41 AM (Z/g31)

74 71 1,001 to go counteth JJ the Countdowner? Tomorrow we party! Only a thousand days 'til King Barry nullifies elections and declares himself Emperor for Eternity. I'll bring chocolate chip cookies and Khalua. Posted by: mindful webworker at February 11, 2014 07:40 AM (ItCyz) I was hoping for rope and lampposts...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:42 AM (olDqf)

75

Maybe the missing jobs  have gone  into the  deep ocean  with the missing atmospheric heat?

 

They're in cahoots!!

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 11, 2014 03:43 AM (BAS5M)

76 75 Maybe the missing jobs have gone into the deep ocean with the missing atmospheric heat? They're in cahoots!! Posted by: Count de Monet at February 11, 2014 07:43 AM (BAS5M) The left's mantra has gone from "FORWARD" to "HIDE THE DECLINE!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:44 AM (olDqf)

77

Hello from Sydney - and it's still Tuesday even! 11.30pm and I'm watching the snowboarding event from Sochi

 

All I can say other than some ripe swear words - Yikes!!!! Crikey!!!!

 

Those boys are just fantastic to watch

 

My son snowboards once a year in NZ with some mates  - cheap flight to Queenstown, stays in a youth hostel, snowboards all day, parties all night...

 

Surfing almost every day after work has certainly helped him snowboard quite well ( he lives in Surfers Paradise Queensland - right across the road from the beach)

 

As for more serious stuff, I was reading about your dear President's State dinner next week for the French bloke - has he no thought of maybe toning down his own taxpayer funded spending just a teeny weeny bit?

 

 Like what about the optics?

 

Thinking of doing a raindance - poor old frangipani tree is really suffering because it's been so hot and dry here for weeks....just saw the drooping leaves so I'd better go give it a good hosing down

Posted by: aussie at February 11, 2014 03:44 AM (nP3cM)

78 Carey Lowell - Bond girl (Licence to Kill), one of many ADA's on Law & Order, Tom Hanks' dead wife in Sleepless in Seattle Philip Anglim - had a recurring role on ST S9 Charbonneau - son of Sacagawea, he's the one on her back on the $1 coin

Posted by: Gran at February 11, 2014 03:44 AM (mw0FO)

79 Fuck you Pixy. Philip Anglim - had a recurring role on ST DS9

Posted by: Gran at February 11, 2014 03:45 AM (mw0FO)

80 Oddly enough, the box office draws directly before Shirley Temple & Mickey Rooney (Marie Dressler & Will Rogers) both died at the height of their fame. Dressler (1934) Rogers (1935).

Posted by: Baldy at February 11, 2014 03:45 AM (2bql3)

81 I was hoping for rope and lampposts...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Looking at the GOP Rules and Regs...

Sorry, not the hill to die on.

Posted by: Bruce at February 11, 2014 03:45 AM (ldUl0)

82 79 Fuck you Pixy. Philip Anglim - had a recurring role on ST DS9 Posted by: Gran at February 11, 2014 07:45 AM (mw0FO) I thought he was one of the brothers in "Escape from Alcatraz."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:46 AM (olDqf)

83 so they watched . well ok then.

so the painting the target by Woods?

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 07:06 AM (nqBYe)


Watching implies positive action in the Obama/Hillary lexicon.



BTW, for once I agree with Hillary, he really is Gen Be-tray-US.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2014 03:46 AM (o3MSL)

84 80 Oddly enough, the box office draws directly before Shirley Temple Mickey Rooney (Marie Dressler Will Rogers) both died at the height of their fame. Dressler (1934) Rogers (1935). Posted by: Baldy at February 11, 2014 07:45 AM (2bql3) And Shirley was seen in Alistair Crowley's mansion. HmmÂ….

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:47 AM (olDqf)

85 Anna, yikes!

several days ago i had a dream  (I rarely have dreams i can remember)
but anyway I Won a home on HGTV (Yeah LOL), so they send me down to  a island  I had never heard of  to do the segment , They are showing me the home I won  while taping my oohs and aaaws and a woman walks by with a baby dressed like a turkey, and I said, " did you see that?" to the people around me !

She turns to me and said this is for the celebration dinner the tenderist one she could find. I should be grateful .

I start crying and the people around me look perplexed at my reaction.

anyway super nutty dream. 

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 03:48 AM (nqBYe)

86 #61--Fenelon-- That hymn has been one of my favorites, ever since I first heard it a dozen years ago. My Anglo-Catholic church uses it every Lent. Thanks for the background info--I had no idea where the words came from.

Posted by: Burke at February 11, 2014 03:48 AM (CrqI6)

87 JJ @82 No - Fred Ward was one of the brothers, I don't remember the other actor's name but it definitely wasn't Anglim -- he would have been too young at the time.

Posted by: Gran at February 11, 2014 03:48 AM (mw0FO)

88 The left's mantra has gone from "FORWARD" to "HIDE THE DECLINE!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 07:44 AM (olDqf)



Look "Green shoots, poised to grow and continue the decline in unemployment!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2014 03:49 AM (o3MSL)

89 77 Thinking of doing a raindance - poor old frangipani tree is really suffering because it's been so hot and dry here for weeks....just saw the drooping leaves so I'd better go give it a good hosing down Posted by: aussie at February 11, 2014 07:44 AM (nP3cM) Don't worry. We can get the EPA to divert more water from the Colorado River direct to you! To hell with central California, right?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:49 AM (olDqf)

90 Jack Thibeau was the other brother (had to look it up)

Posted by: Gran at February 11, 2014 03:49 AM (mw0FO)

91 Charbonneau was the son of a French trader/wanderer and Sacagawea, I believe. He is also a character in the excellent Berrybender stories from Larry McMurtry. If you haven't read McMurtry then you have a treat in store.

Posted by: MTF at February 11, 2014 03:50 AM (7ynIk)

92 87 JJ @82 No - Fred Ward was one of the brothers, I don't remember the other actor's name but it definitely wasn't Anglim -- he would have been too young at the time. Posted by: Gran at February 11, 2014 07:48 AM (mw0FO) I was being a wise-ass (surprised, I know). It's ANGLIN, not Anglim. And whatever happened to Stefan Arngrim of "Land of the Giants?"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:50 AM (olDqf)

93 91 Charbonneau was the son of a French trader/wanderer and Sacagawea, I believe. He is also a character in the excellent Berrybender stories from Larry McMurtry. If you haven't read McMurtry then you have a treat in store. Posted by: MTF at February 11, 2014 07:50 AM (7ynIk) I only read the comments.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 03:51 AM (olDqf)

94 So today is the Huntress 50th, you notice it was almost as hard to find Colonel Gibson, was it was Col. Markinson, (J.T, Walsh) in a few good men?
how did we not have forces in the area, just a few months after the last intervention, there was no carrier group in the Med,

Posted by: jeffrey pelt at February 11, 2014 03:51 AM (Jsiw/)

95 Wow willow that would freak me out also...  HGTV Win a Voodoo Cannibal House!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 03:52 AM (Z/g31)

96 JJ @ 92 You got me there - I'd forgotten the brothers' names.

Posted by: Gran at February 11, 2014 03:53 AM (mw0FO)

97 I had read one time, that the reason all of the bread, milk and eggs disappear before a big storm, is that during a crisis, man has a desire for french toast. **** heh. I have some experience with preparing for tropical systems and it always amazes me that folks will go into a panic buying bread, eggs, milk, lunch meat, and bottled water knowing the power may go out. Meanwhile, I calmly walk out with crackers, tuna, Gatorade, deviled ham, and Little Debbies. No muss, no fuss. And there's never any competition for those items. And... fortunately, I don't need much. I have two Rubbermaid boxes filled with storm supplies and, during the season, I try not to let my pantry go bare.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 03:53 AM (DmNpO)

98 Thanks for the faithful work on the countdown, JJ, it is a sort of hopeful sign for me everyday, especially as it finally breaks 1000. On the other hand, the way the Rockin GOP is going, I, too, am starting to regard Hillary as inevitable, and that is truly going to be the death of whatever is left of America after the next 1000 days.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 11, 2014 03:53 AM (gUoN4)

99

89 JJ Sefton

 

Hi there!

 

 Great idea and if your EPA scheme somehow stashes taxpayer dollars into someone's deep pockets it would be given some serious thought for sure

 

I'm feeling guilty - instead of hosing the frangipani I poured myself another glass of good old Aussie wine

The snowboarding is exciting...

Posted by: aussie at February 11, 2014 03:54 AM (nP3cM)

100 Dang, Willow. What did you eat before bed?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 03:55 AM (DmNpO)

101 Milk is a waste to buy before a storm if power goes out.  Unless you like chug-a-lugging that gallon of milk.

Still can't believe that one woman before Sandy who's idea of storm supplies was to fill her fridge and freezer. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 03:56 AM (Z/g31)

102 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 07:47 AM (olDqf) --- I just found it odd, something in my sick mind pictured "Heidi" pushing Marie Dressler down the stairs or Mickey Rooney giving Will Rogers an injection of botulism in the neck...

It is something to still be a household name 80 years after you became a star.

Posted by: Baldy at February 11, 2014 03:56 AM (2bql3)

103 83 -

As  has been said before, they got to him.  And if you can bend a general the way they have with  Petraeus,  it's got to be more than just a big-breasted bimbo in his closet. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2014 03:57 AM (BeSEI)

104 HBD Sarah Palin. 50 looks good on you. I must admit, it was the HillBuzz guy's enthusing about Sarah that actually got me to look at her, and in turn she got me kind-of excited about politics again, no easy feat after my life of deep political cynicism going back to Johnson. I got an actal thrill when I saw the pic of Palin And West meeting - I think the last time I felt that about politics was when my little sister and I got our pic taken with Senator and Pres candidate Barry Goldwater. I'm more sober now, a terrible election later, but I remain reinvigorated about politics -- even hopeful (but then, I reside in a true-blue state of hope). Thanks, Sarah. Keep fightin', mama Grizzley. Wow, I'm commenting more than I'm reading. I should try to shut up now....

Posted by: politically mindful webworker at February 11, 2014 03:58 AM (ItCyz)

105 Neidermeyer, nothing as i had the flu and fever that night.

I guess i was so hungry I thought i could eat a whole baby?

ugh,

anyway i actually was still crying  when i woke up,   seemed so fkn real for a moment.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 03:58 AM (nqBYe)

106 So that explains her last name of Black.  That 'wickedest man' Alistair Crowely had possessed her...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 03:58 AM (Z/g31)

107
Meanwhile, in stuff you're supposed to be upset about, Howard Bryant opins in this week's ESPN magazine's The Truth column:

By the 1970s, baseball looked like a different game ... African-Americans comprised a high of 19% of big leaguers.That number today is around 8%.

But the ballad of the vanishing black ballplayer—sung dutifully by the sport’s leaders—sounds hollow when the business of the game is constructed to find talent except black ballplayers. MLB is sinking billions into the Japanese market, most recently evidenced by the Yankees’ seven-year, $155 million deal with Masahiro Tanaka (and the accompanying $20 million posting fee to Tanaka’s Japanese team). All 30 teams invest heavily in Latin America, still the world’s cheapest, most plentiful source of talent.



Percentage of the US population that is Black -- 12%. And in absolute terms, the number of American Blacks is dwarfed by the number of Japanese, let alone Asians, and Latin Americans.

So -- um -- racism or something.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2014 03:59 AM (kdS6q)

108 102 -

I'm still famous.  And I haven't been seen on a stage since April 14, 1865!

Posted by: J.W. Booth at February 11, 2014 03:59 AM (BeSEI)

109

I must admit, it was the HillBuzz guy's enthusing about Sarah that actually got me to look at her, and in turn she got me kind-of excited about politics again, no easy feat after my life of deep political cynicism going back to Johnson.

 

Lyndon or Andrew?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 04:00 AM (zF6Iw)

110 Devotions for anxiety. Using breath prayers: http://tinyurl.com/89gkooy

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2014 04:01 AM (XyM/Y)

111 Lyndon Johnson   since the other is Andrew Jackson.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 04:01 AM (Z/g31)

112 "Big-breasted bimbo"? Where?

Posted by: MTF at February 11, 2014 04:01 AM (7ynIk)

113 99 Posted by: aussie at February 11, 2014 07:54 AM (nP3cM) "Hosing the frangipani." I'll have to use that one! "I opened the door and was shocked to find him 'hosing the frangipani.'"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 04:02 AM (olDqf)

114 You don't need power to keep milk, eggs, etc. fresh. As longbas you have a propane grill outside and a cold windowsill inside, you can eat like a champ during blackouts.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 11, 2014 04:02 AM (ZshNr)

115 Still can't believe that one woman before Sandy who's idea of storm supplies was to fill her fridge and freezer.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD)

Some people just don't think. We had a tornado/wind shear/blowy global warming,  go thru here 2 years ago. We live in an area with a good size lake. The power went off, and the ones of us near the lake have wells. I usually keep a few gallons of water around in case just for drinking. I got my 5 gallon buckets from the shed, put them in the yard cart and went to the lake for "flushing" water. Someone asked if I was using it for drinking (shocked, you actually could, just boil) I said no, for flushing. He said "how do you get water in the toilet to flush?"
I explained and there was truly a face palm moment for him.

Posted by: Bruce at February 11, 2014 04:02 AM (ldUl0)

116 In the winter of 1976-77, they point out, the temperature in Chicago stayed below freezing for 43 days straight, and in 1985 the city had a below-freezing stretch of 40 days. The longest stretch so far this winter was 11 days.


... it's over 20 days now.

Posted by: Neil Armstrong moon flag at February 11, 2014 04:03 AM (e8kgV)

117 Oh wait a minute who was the VP who become President after Lincoln?  Impeachment averted and all that...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 04:03 AM (Z/g31)

118 117 Oh wait a minute who was the VP who become President after Lincoln? Impeachment averted and all that... Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 08:03 AM (Z/g31) Andrew JOHNSON

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 04:04 AM (olDqf)

119 Lincolntf, try to keep milk good in a Gulfport summer in July after a hurricane has knocked power out.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 04:04 AM (Z/g31)

120 Apropos of nothing, I distilled some comments from myself and several other commenters to create


The Official GOP Congressional Handbook (Original Version)*


Page 1: This is not the time to fight.


Page 2: There is no hill to die on!


Page 3: Reach out to your bipartisan friends across the aisle and punish your base whenever possible.


Page 4: Don't wear underwear because it slows Democrats down!



*They were going to consolidate it all on one page to save money, but after careful consideration they concluded that it should be at least a thousand pages long and cost a billion dollars (~$20 million per state, leaving out 7 states).


Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2014 04:04 AM (o3MSL)

121

David Freddoso thinks "the case of the missing jobs" explains the latest Obamacare delay. Also, note his prediction at the bottom.


No jobs on the GA coast. Been looking since it was obvious the fix was in for Barky....

Posted by: backhoe at February 11, 2014 04:04 AM (ULH4o)

122 "Stop hosing your frangipani, or you'll go blind!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 04:05 AM (olDqf)

123 For Winter Storm Use Only*

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 11, 2014 04:05 AM (ZshNr)

124 When Shirley Temple was an ambassador, she was called "a tough and able negotiator" by Kissinger, who as you may recall did not find BabaWawa so tough. And she was big in the 60's GOP, a congressional candidate, major Reagan supporter, and another who tried to introduce sanity to the media, with a failed TV pilot called "Go Fight City Hall" in 1965.

If you've never seen her actually "act," go and look up "That Hagen Girl" with, you guessed it, Ronald Reagan. Widely panned, but I think it's as transgresssive as "King's Row." And of course her daughter was a grunge rocker. Like Pat Boone.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 11, 2014 04:05 AM (xq1UY)

125 It isn't a waste to buy milk if there's 12 inches of snow on the ground and it's in the 20's. You just leave it outside. However, buying it before a storm when it's another time of the year is ridiculous. When power went out during hurricane Sandy we had filed the tubs and other bottles with water and cooked over our fireplace. We can't afford a generator, so if the power goes out now for a long period of time we'll either have to stay with a friend who has a generator or huddle in front of the fireplace.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2014 04:05 AM (XyM/Y)

126 The federal agency process sends details contained in the annual filings for organizations with $50,000 in annual receipts or less to the Urban Institute, which is funded at least partly by government payments as well as contributions from far-left activist George Soros.

The IRS page directs groups to file with the Urban Institute, although apparently other providers also can file the Form 990 documentation, which is required of every nonprofit, small and large.

Posted by: Ronald McDonald at February 11, 2014 04:06 AM (e8kgV)

127 119 Lincolntf, try to keep milk good in a Gulfport summer in July after a hurricane has knocked power out. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 08:04 AM (Z/g31) Find a lactating woman?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 04:06 AM (olDqf)

128 "Kent!"

"Who is that?"

"Kent listen to me!"

"Are you God?"

"Kent just listen.  Stop playing with your frangipani!"

"You are God!"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 04:06 AM (Z/g31)

129

113 JJ Sefton

 

Not quite  (insert smiley face which I can't do being a bottom level AoSHQ subscriber) .... will use water from the tap with hose attached  ( when I finish this glass of wine)

 

I can almost hear the frangipani calling out for water

 

Yikes this American bloke Shaun White has just had a spectacular trip down the half pipe!  He is just bloody amazing!

Posted by: aussie at February 11, 2014 04:06 AM (nP3cM)

130 It isn't a waste to buy milk if there's 12 inches of snow on the ground and it's in the 20's. You just leave it outside. However, buying it before a storm when it's another time of the year is ridiculous. When power went out during hurricane Sandy we had filed the tubs and other bottles with water and cooked over our fireplace. We can't afford a generator, so if the power goes out now for a long period of time we'll either have to stay with a friend who has a generator or huddle in front of the fireplace. ** Keep a couple of cheap survival blankets handy. At least that way you can sleep in your own bed if you get stuck at the house.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 04:08 AM (DmNpO)

131 "Instead of drawing up articles of impeachment, Eric Cantor hosed his frangipani. And it still looks like a dead stoat nailed to his head."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 04:09 AM (olDqf)

132
And in Ouroboros news:

Illinois is partnering with the well-known satire site, The Onion, to use comedy to let the insured know about Obamacare enrollment and bolster participation.

http://tinyurl.com/lmng5xl

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2014 04:10 AM (kdS6q)

133 Keep a couple of cheap survival blankets handy. At least that way you can sleep in your own bed if you get stuck at the house. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

Wife wanted to sell our good sleeping bags a few years ago. We had quit camping about 10 years or so. I said no, for the same reason.

Posted by: Bruce at February 11, 2014 04:10 AM (ldUl0)

134 RIP Shirley Temple, I apologize for fapping to some of your later films.

Posted by: --- at February 11, 2014 04:10 AM (MMC8r)

135 Still can't believe that one woman before Sandy who's idea of storm supplies was to fill her fridge and freezer. We did the 'redneck refrigerator' thing. Find a pile of snow outside and bury the items of most value/shortest shelf life. Easy to do when the temps outside were in the 20's most days. I've been through power outages of three and four days before. I'll take a summer outage and food spoilage over having a home with inside temps slowly approaching freezing as each day passes. But it's getting old for me. This summer I'll hook up some sort of smallish generator and be ready for next time. I'm not just a AGW 'denier' I think we're clearly seeing signs of the next ice age, hopefully only a short one until the sun powers up again.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at February 11, 2014 04:11 AM (CnA98)

136 I wish Insty would stop linking to Althouse.  Or, at the least, I should stop reading the comments there.  If you want to know how terminally boned this country is and how many people would gladly exchange their freedom for government cheese, just take the majority of her commenters.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 04:11 AM (zF6Iw)

137 There are all kinds of mylar or survival blankets listed on Amazon.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 04:11 AM (Z/g31)

138

I opened the door and was shocked to find him 'hosing the frangipani.'"

 

I needed the break.

Posted by: The Toaster at February 11, 2014 04:13 AM (zF6Iw)

139 There are all kinds of mylar or survival blankets listed on Amazon.

Some comedian, I forgot who, said you need a wife of hefty proportions, gives you warmth in the winter, and shade in the summer,

Posted by: Bruce at February 11, 2014 04:13 AM (ldUl0)

140 124 -

If you haven't seen it, find "The Bachelor and the Bobby  Soxer"

Not a great film, but fun and funny.  Temple is a teenager (the bobby soxer), and  Cary  Grant is the bachelor.  Myrna Loy is Temple's older sister, and the plot is not  really worth discussing. 

The thing is Temple acts circles around those two, but then she has the benefit of being the love-struck teenager, while Loy plays "straight man" throughout. 

Temple would have been 18 or 19 when she made  the film, so it's ok to  ogle, if that is your wont. 

Posted by: J.W. Booth at February 11, 2014 04:13 AM (BeSEI)

141 There are all kinds of mylar or survival blankets listed on Amazon. *** You can pick them up in the sporting goods department at any big store, such as Walmart. $4. They are noisy, but who cares when they keep you warm and alive? Just sandwich one between the blankets on the bed.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 04:14 AM (DmNpO)

142
Good news, everyone:

Smith & Wesson unveils monster .460 caliber gun: The "Backpack Cannon"

It sells for about $1,200, and the company is primarily marketing it to police and other law-enforcement agencies.

http://tinyurl.com/lux5e33




Because cops and their issues.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2014 04:15 AM (kdS6q)

143 Shirley Temple was a great Republican. RIP.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 11, 2014 04:16 AM (7ObY1)

144 142 -

And by "issues" I assume you mean 3-inch barrels. 

Posted by: J.W. Booth at February 11, 2014 04:17 AM (BeSEI)

145 With regard to the storm predicted for Thursday, hopefully all of the weakest trees and branches already broke last week. I ought to buy a laptop so I can haz internetz during power outages.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2014 04:17 AM (sdi6R)

146 Crap, and how long  have I been carrying the death of Abraham Lincoln around  with me?

Oh well, time for work...

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2014 04:18 AM (BeSEI)

147 Three words: Natural gas generator. You get your power right back on and it adds to your resale value. Gotta keep the maintenance up though or it won't work when you need it.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 11, 2014 04:18 AM (bS6uW)

148 For Northerners one of the side benefits to a natural gas fireplace beyond the getting laid (oh I mean romantic) aspect. Is they don't need electricity (for the flame part). And I can't think of a time the gasline went out.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 11, 2014 04:19 AM (TI3xG)

149 Must have a .460

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 11, 2014 04:19 AM (bS6uW)

150 For the mobile bug-out bag, it's worth the extra couple bucks to get the mylar envelope bag instead of the flat sheet. Those are a hell of a radar reflector, too, which makes them useful for rescue, not so much for stealth.

At home, there's a bubble-wrap with mylar that's The Thing for between blankets.
Different lists for bug-out survivalism vs shelter-in-place survivalism, and curiously small overlap, which leads to a lot of philosophical discussions in our circles.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 11, 2014 04:20 AM (xq1UY)

151

I explained and there was truly a face palm moment for him.

 

-------------

 

Bruce, I had nearly the same story when I was in the middle of the Northridge Earthquake in CA.

 

The earthquake knocked out the water main and no one had running water.  EVERYONE in the complex was panicking because, hey, no toilets.  But we had a swimming pool there.

 

A couple of neighbors were watching me get buckets of water and kind of rolling their eyes at me (hey, he must be washing dishes!) on their way to go pee behind a tree (yep).  Only after one guy got up the courage to ask what I was doing did I explain.  Next thing I know, people are asking to borrow my bucket.

 

As AtC likes to say, it's cool to know stuff.  How anyone could live in that place and not know what to do when basic things like power and water go out is beyond me.

Posted by: @JohnTant at February 11, 2014 04:20 AM (eytER)

152 "...going back to Johnson." "Lyndon or Andrew?" Posted by: Mary Poppins' I had first been going to write, "back to Nixon," but if I had, I'd've deprived you of that one, so,

Posted by: politically mindful webworker at February 11, 2014 04:21 AM (+kzsa)

153 Marie Dressler's best moment came at the end of Dinner at Eight, with Jean Harlow.

Posted by: Darles Chickens at February 11, 2014 04:21 AM (z4vvZ)

154

A 2011 Washington Times column about Ronald Reagan's leading ladies.  The accompanying picture is from That Hagen Girl:

 

http://tinyurl.com/pjsjt9b


 

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 04:21 AM (zF6Iw)

155 And I can't think of a time the gasline went out. Yeah, there are real benefits to underground utilities. Also, real benefits to having neighbors who see an 80 foot tall tree 20 feet from the utility lines with an obvious lean toward them and deals with the expense himself. I wish I had neighbors like that.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at February 11, 2014 04:23 AM (CnA98)

156 Speaking of Benghazi, my last two bad dreams ended with me calling for an airstrike and saying something like "We are Americans, why can't we get help?" And then I wake up. Scary to imagine being in that position. And I rarely dream, or remember it. Nyquil is a helluva drug.

Posted by: Beagle at February 11, 2014 04:23 AM (sOtz/)

157 Different lists for bug-out survivalism vs shelter-in-place survivalism, and curiously small overlap, which leads to a lot of philosophical discussions in our circles.>>

There is one survival item that is universal though. Tampons.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 11, 2014 04:23 AM (TI3xG)

158 "Stop hosing your frangipani, or you'll go blind!" I'll stop when I need glasses!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2014 04:24 AM (xorT2)

159 I thought I would feel better with each passing day of the SCOAMF in J.J. SeftonÂ’s countdown, but 1,001 is still too long. Good Morning, everyone.

Posted by: Carol at February 11, 2014 04:24 AM (z4WKX)

160
Next thing I know, people are asking to borrow my bucket.
Posted by: @JohnTant




A pithy comment on current American society.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2014 04:24 AM (kdS6q)

161 But the important thing about your nightmare, Beagle, is that while help didn't come at least they weren't literally told to "stand down".

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 11, 2014 04:24 AM (/QAZd)

162 From this LAT's article re the killing of American hostiles overseas: Under guidelines approved by Obama in May, a potential target must pose “a continuing, imminent threat to U.S. persons.” Americans proposed for the so-called kill list also are entitled to legal due process, which the administration has interpreted to mean a review by the Justice Department (emphasis mine) So, due process is no longer a day in court, it is the DOJ deciding that a citizen needs killin' http://t.co/RtM58eTKL7

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 04:24 AM (DmNpO)

163 Shirley Temple was (the very cute) Philadelphia Thursday in "Fort Apache".

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 11, 2014 04:25 AM (P/gm7)

164 How anyone could live in that place and not know what to do when basic things like power and water go out is beyond me.

Posted by: @JohnTant at February 11, 2014 08:20 AM (eytER)

That's silly. I'll just call 9-1-1 and someone will pick me up and take me to a hotel.

Posted by: Preening Progressive Pipsqueak at February 11, 2014 04:25 AM (QFxY5)

165 Another thing you'll want around when the power goes out for an extended period: a quality woman. Like Jaqueline Mackey Paisley Passey.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 11, 2014 04:26 AM (bS6uW)

166 Tampons.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 11, 2014 08:23 AM (TI3xG

Good for packing wounds too.

Posted by: Preening Progressive Pipsqueak at February 11, 2014 04:26 AM (QFxY5)

167 12° here now. 60s in a couple of days. Oklahoma: Choctaw for Land of Natural Climate Chaos.

Posted by: weather mindful webworker at February 11, 2014 04:26 AM (+kzsa)

168 Yuck.

Off, foolish sock.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 04:27 AM (QFxY5)

169 Sometimes it comes as a shock to find that your friends and neighbors are square in the middle of the "too stupid to survive" category.

Natural gas sure is more reliable than line electricity, but remember that in a real long-term screwup, even one short of TEOTWAWKI, the pumps and regulators that feed the gas lines will also go out. Best to have your own well. I also have tons of coal, but dammitall don't have my own coal patch like a buddy of mine in Kentucky did.

Full freezer, no electricity: what you need is a pile of firewood, a large pressure-cooker, and some jars. And you need to get busy. Sometime on a cooking thread we should go into why just boiling isn't good enough for a lot of canning.

A freezer is still good for several days, if you can bear to keep the door closed, harder than it looks.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 11, 2014 04:27 AM (xq1UY)

170 God help me- I am old enough to remember when survival blankets were called "space blankets." Yes, mylar, and when we actually had a space program.

And yeah, both car and truck have a couple. Just in case....

We used to have "car coats," too-- small, heavy wool blankets.

Posted by: backhoe at February 11, 2014 04:28 AM (ULH4o)

171

162: "So, due process is no longer a day in court, it is the DOJ deciding that a citizen needs killin'"

 

Whatever happened to trials in absentia? 

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 11, 2014 04:28 AM (/qzu7)

172 And, Aussie, watch the gold medal game in the the women's ice hockey that should be the U.S. versus Canada and that should set you up for learning a bit about the rules to follow the men's ice hockey series. (The women's gold medal game has always been Canada versus the U.S. so I'm not being the world's best sport tout in predicting that.)

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 11, 2014 04:29 AM (/QAZd)

173 @161 Isn't it worse if everyone but security in Tripoli decides to do nothing when jihadis attack on a 9/11 anniversary? Most of that story is still unknown IMO. Like the video diversion leading to a political prisoner and UN speech threatening us with sharia blasphemy punishments. How does that work?

Posted by: Beagle at February 11, 2014 04:30 AM (sOtz/)

174 Gotta go! Retweeted by Bergen County Police FBI New York ‏@NewYorkFBI 1h Major mafia round-up this morning in New York and Italy. Details to follow.

Posted by: Donny Lasagna at February 11, 2014 04:31 AM (/qSBd)

175 Fenlon, a rocketstove is much better the your fireplace for cooking - a plastic 5g bucket, some cement, a bit of chicken wire, some 4" stove pipe, a stove grate, a big tile and some bricks.  Mabye some masonary paint and bits of tile to pretty it up when your done.  Videos all over youtube.  If you have a big enough fireplace - if fits inside.

 My kid had to do a "green" project for school - I went subversive and explained how the real pollution problem is black soot, not CO2 (aka plant food), and how simple tech could make a big difference.

Posted by: Jean at February 11, 2014 04:31 AM (4JkHl)

176 159 I thought I would feel better with each passing day of the SCOAMF in J.J. SeftonÂ’s countdown, but 1,001 is still too long. Good Morning, everyone. Posted by: Carol at February 11, 2014 08:24 AM (z4WKX) Could be worse, dear. Could be 10,001. Think of that and then take some NyQuil!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 04:32 AM (olDqf)

177 12° here now. 60s in a couple of days.

Oklahoma: Choctaw for Land of Natural Climate Chaos.

**


Denier!! This is what happens when the earth has a fever!!111!!


Posted by: Garden Variety Eco Asshole at February 11, 2014 04:32 AM (NpXoL)

178 I read the article about Benghazi and I'm unsure what the difference between "stand-down" and what happened. Sounds like a difference without a distinction.

Posted by: boned to the bone at February 11, 2014 04:32 AM (Ph479)

179

Down Under, in Sydney we don't experience your kind of cold weather

 

My blackout heating weapon at night is the fat old furry kitty who sleeps on my pillow ....and of course the old Aussie bloke who never ever feels the cold

 

He despises the electric blanket so it's only on my side of the bed while he snores very comfortably with no PJs on even! 

 

Blackouts here rarely last for long - however the last one last week really caused major problems at my work - bloody computer was down for 2 days and all out patient records are on the computer... chaos!

 

 ( I work as an RN in a medical centre)

Posted by: aussie at February 11, 2014 04:32 AM (nP3cM)

180 Oh snap!

Posted by: Blacksheepi Maserati at February 11, 2014 04:32 AM (bS6uW)

181 Whatever happened to trials in absentia? *** I suspect we'll get a Gabe post about all this before the end of the day. I'm still reading the article.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 04:33 AM (DmNpO)

182 LOL, Jean.
I misread your "5g" as 5 grams at first instead of as 5 gallons.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 11, 2014 04:34 AM (/QAZd)

183

Since Obama keeps delaying Obamacare provisions until after elections, the Republicans should offer legislation to reschedule elections to take place every 12 months. That way, Obamacare would never actually go into effect.

 

Posted by: J. Locke at February 11, 2014 04:35 AM (9RGT+)

184 Good for packing wounds too.
Posted by: Preening Progressive Pipsqueak

The regular pads work for that too. Take one and cut in in half. A nice thick 4x4 for wound dressing. Cheaper, I think, then the Band Aid type.

Posted by: Bruce at February 11, 2014 04:35 AM (ldUl0)

185 Could be 10,001.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2014 08:32 AM (olDqf)

I'm working on it!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at February 11, 2014 04:36 AM (QFxY5)

186 This is the vid. You just know they're a bunch of liberal nutjobs.

--

I've come to realize most people that comment on the internet are sick cfuks.  The clip may be dated, and for Heaven's sake she's not twerking, but there's no need for vile comments.  But that's the world we live in today. 

Btw, RIP Shirley Temple.  My mom, and every other third girl in America who was born in the 30s, was named after Miss Temple.  Can't say she ever liked it though. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at February 11, 2014 04:36 AM (Oa7B2)

187 And, to be clear, I have no problem with them, now enemy combatants, being deader-than-dead, but I do have a problem without POTUS determining who deserves the killing and who does not.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 04:36 AM (DmNpO)

188 And let's not forget the skunk weed. You will definitely want to get high when the end comes. Or I will anyway.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 11, 2014 04:36 AM (bS6uW)

189 @171 Absentia -- isn't that, like, next door to Peruvia?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 11, 2014 04:36 AM (xq1UY)

190 OK, folks, I'm out.  Going to see if the work on my desk can make the day fly by so I don't have time to be depressed.  Hope all of you have a great day.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 04:38 AM (zF6Iw)

191 looking at 79° today

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 16 days (2wks 2days) until spring training at February 11, 2014 04:38 AM (u8GsB)

192 The best survival tool. Family/Friends that you haven't pissed off so bad that they wont take you in. Most disasters are fairly localized.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 11, 2014 04:38 AM (TI3xG)

193 Next thing I know, people are asking to borrow my bucket. Posted by: @JohnTant I imagine, just as they couldn't figure what you were doing in the first place, then they couldn't imagine anything else in which one might carry water. "their vote counts at least as much as yours"

Posted by: outtamy mindful webworker at February 11, 2014 04:39 AM (pK8nF)

194 Posted by: Jean at February 11, 2014 08:31 AM (4JkHl) Thanks very much. I hadn't heard of a rocket stove.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 11, 2014 04:40 AM (XyM/Y)

195 Also from the article: Little is known about them, said Bill Roggio, who runs the website Long War Journal, which tracks Al Qaeda militants. Roggio said he believed the administration was “adhering to an unreasonably high legal standard for targeting what is clearly an enemy combatant in a combat zone. If Americans choose to side with Al Qaeda in its war against the U.S., then they should be fair game.” So... little is known about them except for that they need killin'?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 04:40 AM (DmNpO)

196

172 andycanuck

 

Hi there

Thanks - somehow the ice hockey has been on telly when I'm in bed - so I've missed those games

 

I do love watching those ice hockey gladiators doing their thing!

 

Exciting..BTW here in Sydney there is an ice hockey comp going all year round as we have a few ice rinks - one is not far from where I live

 

 

 

Posted by: aussie at February 11, 2014 04:41 AM (nP3cM)

197 If your snow bound this week:  http://tinyurl.com/m9o7uxg

Posted by: Jean at February 11, 2014 04:41 AM (4JkHl)

198 So, due process is no longer a day in court, it is the DOJ deciding that a citizen needs killin'

http://t.co/RtM58eTKL7

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 08:24 AM (DmNpO)


You have to admit, this is a lot more efficient!

Posted by: Eric "Red" Holder at February 11, 2014 04:42 AM (o3MSL)

199 LOL Jacqueline Mackie Paisley Passey

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/193209.php

Posted by: The Hickster at February 11, 2014 04:42 AM (TI3xG)

200

175: "... a rocketstove is much better the your fireplace for cooking"

 

Thank you very much for this tip. Never heard of them until now, and a quick google check on them shows their value.

 

That's what I like about this place, always learn something new every day.

 

Now if I could only find some new Rum recipes.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 11, 2014 04:42 AM (v6cwT)

201 Morning all. Is ace the only one that can unban?

Posted by: RWC at February 11, 2014 04:42 AM (fWAjv)

202 Blacksheep @ 27-
He is telling the world he's a waterhead.

Posted by: Erowmero at February 11, 2014 04:42 AM (OONaw)

203 This winter from hell is killing me with heating oil costs. They jack it up so that a gallon of heating oil costs more than super premium unleaded gasoline. The bill that was on my kitchen table is from yesterday, the last on was January 17. They usually come once a month. This wasnÂ’t even a month.

Posted by: Carol at February 11, 2014 04:42 AM (z4WKX)

204 You know, that Maria Molina is one snappy dresser. Imagine the engineering challenge of designing clothes for her. I don't like models; she just makes everything look good.

Hard to imagine anyone objecting to her without the clothes, either.

I get a laugh out of the linguistics. She's a Floridian. But when it's about zero out, she talks with just a little Heesponic accent. Just skin and muscle tension, or a little wishful thinking?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 11, 2014 04:43 AM (xq1UY)

205

I imagine, just as they couldn't figure what you were doing in the first place, then they couldn't imagine anything else in which one might carry water.

 

---------

 

Good point.

 

"I can't use that stock pot....it's for COOKING!"

 

 

Posted by: @JohnTant at February 11, 2014 04:43 AM (eytER)

206 179?
aussie?

My dogs and cats have always slept with me. Since childhood. They always had all their shots, and I tell people, "they are cleaner than some of the people I've had the misery to know."

The fella curled up by me now is Cole-boy, a seven year old Border Collie. Yes, my late wife's "baby" and who led me to her corpse in 2010. She spoiled him rotten, but the upside of that is he is sweet as a little kitten. Very loving.

Posted by: backhoe at February 11, 2014 04:44 AM (ULH4o)

207 If Americans are found among the dead of a known terrorist camp or gathering, well stinks to be them.

Now if this Administration drops a Hellfire on a specific American without due process to convict or strip them of their citizenship.  Sorry it is the administration that is in the wrong.

And off to the races we go on splitting legal hairs...  or heirs?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 04:44 AM (Z/g31)

208 Speaking of Benghazi, my last two bad dreams ended with me calling for an airstrike and saying something like "We are Americans, why can't we get help?" And then I wake up. Scary to imagine being in that position.

And I rarely dream, or remember it. Nyquil is a helluva drug.

Posted by: Beagle at February 11, 2014 08:23 AM (sOtz/)

I've been in a position to need air support twice.  Both times the shit that needed blowing up got blowed up.  PDQ. 

I can't imagine hearing nothing on the other end of the line...  We just KNOW that the cavalry will come if we need them.  That's the deal.  Hell, my entire job description was 'get people out of bad spots and bring them home.'

I like to think that I would have required physical restraint if I were near Benghazi with access to a helicopter and a pilot...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 11, 2014 04:44 AM (fwARV)

209 Another thing you'll want around when the power goes out for an extended period: Belt fed weapons.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2014 04:45 AM (xorT2)

210 Now if this Administration drops a Hellfire on a specific American without due process to convict or strip them of their citizenship. Sorry it is the administration that is in the wrong. *** Exactly, and targeting is what the debate is now about.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 04:46 AM (DmNpO)

211 Belt fed weapons.>>

That's an expensive way to keep warm isn't it?

Posted by: The Hickster at February 11, 2014 04:47 AM (TI3xG)

212 Dang, backhoe, that's a rough story. Mighty sorry for your loss. Glad you have her dog for comfort and companionship.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 11, 2014 04:47 AM (bS6uW)

213 #136 - Oh how I agree with you, MP4. I quit reading Althouse sometime after all the Scott Walker hullabaloo. Not just the voting-for-Obama, or the stable of idiot commenters, but most of all the self-regard and narcissism.(birm) Eeeewwww.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 11, 2014 04:47 AM (gUoN4)

214

206 backhoe

 

Hello from Sydney - and yes one of the many kitties who have shared my home have always ended up on my bed - on my feet, on my pillow...

 

My oldie Moggie likes to lie on top of my pillow and the last thing I hear as I nod off is her heavy duty purring

 

Which almost blanks out the snoring from the other side...

 

It's nice to have a dearly loved pet - kitty, dog doesn't matter

 

One of my friends has a pet snake...mmmm

Posted by: aussie at February 11, 2014 04:49 AM (nP3cM)

215 The bill that was on my kitchen table is from yesterday, the last on was January 17. They usually come once a month. This wasnÂ’t even a month. Local paper mentioned a couple of days ago that average heating oil customer has 275 gallon tank and this time of year is about four weeks between fills. They have customers getting filled every two weeks, with this cold spell, and they can't keep up. I called last Wednesday morning to get oil and haven't seen them yet. I have 6 gallons of diesel salted away if I run out.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at February 11, 2014 04:49 AM (CnA98)

216 And on the other end of your rocket-stove, should be your:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icy_Ball


Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 11, 2014 04:50 AM (xq1UY)

217 Exciting. BTW here in Sydney there is an ice hockey comp going all year round as we have a few ice rinks -- one is not far from where I live
Good on yah, Aussie.

There's probably someone in Toronto who plays Aussie Rules but I'm not familiar with them but we do have the Windies and East Indians here playing cricket including at a reservoir about 15 minutes walk from my house.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 11, 2014 04:50 AM (/QAZd)

218 I have a question:
Does anyone else think that Hillary Papers from yesterday actually will be leaked out of the Clinton camp.  Before anyone rolls their eyes and tells me I have to put on my tinfoil hat remember that those notes and diaries were taken by Hills BFF's hubby and donated to a Univ. Arkansas after said BFF died in 2000.  So right there that is what happened in the most technical sense.  They later became public in 2010 but it took 4 more years for someone to tell the Free Beacon "Hey guess what go look at these."  

If Hillary thought there was anything there she felt would hurt her run for office she would have asked to it removed before they were donated.  I know I would.  The bits in those papers fall into 1 of 2 categories "Of course you knew I lied about that so why are are you bringing it up now?" and "Of course you knew Bill is a man whore so why are you bringing it up now?"  So nothing there damages her but it was a hell of a kick off to her 2016 campaign.

Posted by: bestie21 at February 11, 2014 04:50 AM (AzO5R)

219 We have nine pelicans on our ETEX lake this morning. Is the Gulf of May-hee-co melting? Or do pelicans go North to Alaska in the spring like weazels?

Posted by: Erowmero at February 11, 2014 04:50 AM (OONaw)

220 The price of propane went through the roof recently here. So as a single guy I'm using space heaters and living in a small portion of my house for the next month or so.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 11, 2014 04:50 AM (TI3xG)

221 Expanding further the right took the bate.  The more the right froths at this stuff the more better Hillary looks in the press.  It's like baiting a bull.  Didn't we learn our lesson with trying to impeach Bill?  Obama is bulletproof against impeachment because of that little side show in the 90s.

Posted by: bestie21 at February 11, 2014 04:53 AM (AzO5R)

222

>>>The best survival tool. Family/Friends that you haven't pissed off so bad that they wont take you in. Most disasters are fairly localized.

 

Having somewhere else to go is a big deal. I think the best survival tool is a pile of money though

Posted by: Bigby's Jazz Hands at February 11, 2014 04:53 AM (3ZtZW)

223 Hickster dress in layers also.

Propane is about $3.55/gal here.  Before the cold snap was just under $3/gal.

And I still need to 'talk' with propane company.  Took their service techs two calls to find out my propane heater is a CO emitter of lethal quantities.  So yes space heaters are going.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 04:53 AM (Z/g31)

224 215?
aussie?

I grew up with dogs and cats. They were part of the family. They worked together keeping vermin out of our yard. Amusingly, the dogs became more "cat-like" and the cats more "dog-like."

But they were my pals. On an Island by Sea, so very long ago....

Posted by: backhoe at February 11, 2014 04:53 AM (ULH4o)

225 I would support counterterror efforts if all their exercises were not conducted against imaginary 2nd A, Tea Party, patriot, etc. "terrorists". So much for DHS's 2009 threat matrix. Nope, still jihad, 24/7/365.

Posted by: Beagle at February 11, 2014 04:54 AM (sOtz/)

226 The price of propane went through the roof recently here. So as a single guy I'm using space heaters and living in a small portion of my house for the next month or so. *** I've owned a lot of space heaters and this is by far the best ever. The couple of bad reviews are bullshit. http://amzn.to/1kyscG9

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 04:55 AM (DmNpO)

227 Having somewhere else to go is a big deal. I think the best survival tool is a pile of money though>>

True, but I'm better at making friends than I am at making money.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 11, 2014 04:55 AM (TI3xG)

228 The Hickster, I have a big house & canÂ’t shut off the radiators in the rooms upstairs that are empty. I have my family home & my mother had it in a trust since 1988. My older brother lives in apartment downstairs. I have two floors all to myself. I turn heat down to 58 or 60 when I go to work but I am always cold, house is old. It takes an hour for heat to come up. I just recently started turning oven on in kitchen when IÂ’m in there. I am waiting or for papers from MA Saves, someone called me back Friday and is going to mail them. I can get 75% off up to $2,000 per unit for insulation. Old houses in New England were built w/o insulation. Papers should be here by tomorrow. I have quote from last year. I will finally get something free, or somewhat free!

Posted by: Carol at February 11, 2014 04:56 AM (z4WKX)

229 Good Morning Peeps So sad about Shirley Temple, I loved watching her as a child, so many happy memories. I wish the citizens could force congress to impeach this bastard president we have, but alas we are all just subjects. In other news, I'm grumpy as hell. I could write a book with all the reasons why, but I'll spare you. Oh and more global warming coming my way this Wed/Thurs can't wait to get another $550 electric bill. Woop woop!!! Guess I should be thankful I have heat.

Posted by: spypeach at February 11, 2014 04:56 AM (10H0T)

230 Holy shit, Johnny Weir is a full on freak. What an embarrassment.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2014 04:57 AM (g1DWB)

231 I've owned a lot of space heaters and this is by far the best ever. The couple of bad reviews are bullshit.>>

That is funny since that is exactly the one I bought for my current situation. And yes it works great.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 11, 2014 04:57 AM (TI3xG)

232 That awkward monent when you find out someone you thought was already dead just died.RIP Shirley Temple.

Posted by: steevy at February 11, 2014 04:58 AM (zqvg6)

233

218 andycanuck

 

I know Canadians play rugby - I've seen them here for a World Cup comp years ago

 

And if you live in Toronto we spent a week there a few years back - did the tourist thing and loved it all!

 

We loved the underground shopping malls - and people we told about this were amazed  - an underground city!

 

 

Posted by: aussie at February 11, 2014 04:59 AM (nP3cM)

234 "That awkward monent when you find out someone you thought was already dead just died.RIP Shirley Temple.

Posted by: steevy at February 11, 2014 08:58 AM (zqvg6)"


There must be a German word for that.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 11, 2014 05:00 AM (V70Uh)

235 I've owned a lot of space heaters and this is by far the best ever. The couple of bad reviews are bullshit. http://amzn.to/1kyscG9 Posted by: NiedermeyerÂ’s Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 08:55 AM (DmNpO) Good Morning, NDH, Thanks for the link to space heater. I will look at it when I come home.

Posted by: Carol at February 11, 2014 05:00 AM (z4WKX)

236 Obamacare is the teenage Dominican Republic hooker you plied with goofballs and cheap tequila that you hoped would go away.

Posted by: Fritz at February 11, 2014 05:01 AM (TKFmG)

237 @233 - There's probably a word for that in German

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 11, 2014 05:01 AM (bS6uW)

238 Another falls, yet I remain...

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at February 11, 2014 05:02 AM (Qh0T+)

239 Ofra Haza and Iggy Pop - Daw Da Hiya.
http://youtu.be/Ric1sEdPIks

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 11, 2014 05:02 AM (Z/g31)

240 Einscheisstodkopf?

Posted by: Beagle at February 11, 2014 05:03 AM (sOtz/)

241 Carol

The Space heater NDH linked above has the added benefit (since it's radiant) of feeling like sitting in front of the fireplace. So Even though the bulk of my house is cold I am toasty.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 11, 2014 05:03 AM (TI3xG)

242 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 05:03 AM (PYAXX)

243 The Space heater NDH linked above has the added benefit (since it's radiant) of feeling like sitting in front of the fireplace. So Even though the bulk of my house is cold I am toasty. *** Yes! It keeps my toes quite toasty. Or, it did, until my sister needed to borrow it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 05:05 AM (DmNpO)

244

225 backhoe

 

Yes we always had pets too when I was a kidlet and I could not imagine not having a kitty around...

 

Island by the sea - that sounds lovely!

 

BTW very sorry to read about your ladies...

Posted by: aussie at February 11, 2014 05:05 AM (nP3cM)

245 Oh and more global warming coming my way this Wed/Thurs can't wait to get another $550 electric bill. Woop woop!!! Guess I should be thankful I have heat.

Posted by: spypeach at February 11, 2014 08:56 AM (10H0T)


Hi there SP!  You should be thankful your bill was only $550.  I reached my all-time high of $730 last time out.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2014 05:06 AM (o3MSL)

246 Yes! It keeps my toes quite toasty. Or, it did, until my sister needed to borrow it. I'm not sure I love my siblings that much.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 05:06 AM (PYAXX)

247 The Space heater NDH linked above has the added benefit (since it's radiant) of feeling like sitting in front of the fireplace. So Even though the bulk of my house is cold I am toasty. Posted by: The Hickster at February 11, 2014 09:03 AM (TI3xG) Hickster, My Magic Mouse is connected then itÂ’s unconnected. This has never happened so often in the two years I have had this Mac laptop. I wonder if itÂ’s the cold from when IÂ’m not home. You have the heater & like it, so IÂ’m going to buy it. I just remembered I have a space heater that I forgot about. IÂ’m going to go get it before I forget.

Posted by: Carol at February 11, 2014 05:07 AM (z4WKX)

248 One of my nephews played rugby all through high school and at uni, Aussie, so, yes, it does have plenty of followers here although not as much as Canadian football (that's similar to American NFL-style football) in the autumn.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 11, 2014 05:07 AM (/QAZd)

249 Is Johnny Weir skating today because, if not, what's with the costume and the stage makeup?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 05:07 AM (DmNpO)

250 In cautious testimony, U.S. Fed's Yellen says labor recovery far from complete




Going in the wrong direction = far from complete

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 11, 2014 05:08 AM (1Jaio)

251 Smith Wesson unveils monster .460 caliber gun: The "Backpack Cannon"

It sells for about $1,200, and the company is primarily marketing it to police and other law-enforcement agencies.

http://tinyurl.com/lux5e33




Because cops and their issues.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2014 08:15 AM (kdS6q)


What, .454 Casull doesn't hurt enough for them?

Posted by: joncelli, on his hobbyhorse at February 11, 2014 05:09 AM (RD7QR)

252 >>Is Johnny Weir skating today because, if not, what's with the costume and the stage makeup? I think NBC is making a big mistake. Most people are tolerant but they do not want this kind of crap shoved down their throats.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2014 05:09 AM (g1DWB)

253 Oh joy. The gift that keeps on giving. http://tinyurl.com/mm2qt43 Analysis: Obamacare Will Reduce Compensation By Over a Trillion Dollars As the chart shows, the lost compensation increases every year from an estimated $108 billion in 2017 to an estimated $147 billion 2024. The analysis is based on numbers provided in a recent Congressional Budget Office report on Obamacare.

Posted by: RWC at February 11, 2014 05:09 AM (fWAjv)

254 Here is a hell of coincidence. Bob Costas has pinko eye.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 11, 2014 05:10 AM (ee9LE)

255 The heating oil companies have a helluva racket here in Jersey.
197.00/month oil "budget"
320.00/year tank/leak insurance.
285.00/year maintenance contract

Furnace breaks down once a year, you could set your watch to it. And the parts needed to fix it never seem to be included in the service contract.



**spit** 

Posted by: dananjcon at February 11, 2014 05:10 AM (NpXoL)

256 Is Johnny Weir skating today because, if not, what's with the costume and the stage makeup?

I think NBC is making a big mistake. Most people are tolerant but they do not want this kind of crap shoved down their throats.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2014 09:09 AM (g1DWB)



Barry: I wouldn't mind it shoved down my throat. mmmmm

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 11, 2014 05:10 AM (1Jaio)

257 P.S. And I'm happy you enjoyed your visit to Toronto especially the shopping underground centred on the tube stations. Parents of an Aussie friend of mine also liked the time they spent here one May including going to Niagara Falls and being amazed that the ice was still intact under the Falls.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 11, 2014 05:10 AM (/QAZd)

258 Analysis: Obamacare Will Reduce Compensation By Over a Trillion Dollars - Yeah, but they make up for it with higher costs.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 11, 2014 05:11 AM (ee9LE)

259 My oil bill is $606, but I can take one cent off per gallon if I pay within ten days. I have had higher bills but thought that the new windows would help. IÂ’m going to find that space heater before I forget. ItÂ’s in a room that is cold because itÂ’s in the back of the house & there is no insulation in my house.

Posted by: Carol at February 11, 2014 05:12 AM (z4WKX)

260 "I thought this was well-known, but my friend tells me that the "stand down" order has become the commonly-held, but inaccurate conventional wisdom about Benghazi. " Semantical gobbledegook. I read the article, and it was the most annoying hair splitting I ever read in my life. "We weren't ordered to stand-down, we were ordered to twiddle our thumbs." Give me a Fluking break.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 11, 2014 05:12 AM (rsudF)

261 Hi there SP! You should be thankful your bill was only $550. I reached my all-time high of $730 last time out. Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2014 09:06 AM (o3MSL) Wow, that's just unreal isn't it. I even keep the heat fairly low, my daughters complain they are freezing all the time.

Posted by: spypeach at February 11, 2014 05:14 AM (10H0T)

262 What network is Weir on?

Posted by: Beagle at February 11, 2014 05:14 AM (sOtz/)

263 IÂ’m going to go get it before I forget. Don't forget, never use anything less then 'industrial strength' extension cord with a space heater. The extension cord should never feel the slightest bit warm when the space heater is plugged in and running full blast.

Posted by: Public Service Message [/i] at February 11, 2014 05:14 AM (CnA98)

264 *tips hat. Mornin'

Posted by: Mainah at February 11, 2014 05:15 AM (659DL)

265
 Been having an ongoing argument about thermostat settings.

   Wife likes to turn it down when we aren't home, I propose leaving it the hell alone.

  My reasoning is that for comfort, all of the surroundings--floor, walls, furniture etc. need to be at or very close to the setting.  Personal preference dictates that degree, so disregard just HOW warm/cool it needs to be.

  I believe that of you allow all the living area to cool, you will expend more energy raising it to your comfort level than simply setting and forgetting.

    Am I in error here?

Posted by: irongrampa at February 11, 2014 05:16 AM (SAMxH)

266 Can't you folks with oil/kerosene heat install an electric system, such as ductless, and use the oil/kerosene as a backup? Cost prohibitive?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 05:16 AM (DmNpO)

267 Good riddance to Eric Holder. Who's taking his place?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 11, 2014 05:16 AM (IXrOn)

268 What network is Weir on? *** NBC Sports

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 05:16 AM (DmNpO)

269 >>What network is Weir on? He was on NBCSC but that segment is over. He had his hair all poofed up on top of his head, more makeup than a $10 hooker, women's necklaces and what appeared to be a woman's blouse covered by a bright pink jacket. Even a gay dude would say "Dude that's gay".

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2014 05:17 AM (g1DWB)

270 I believe that of you allow all the living area to cool, you will expend more energy raising it to your comfort level than simply setting and forgetting. Am I in error here? *** From what I have read, this is true. Turn it down no more than a few degrees.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 05:17 AM (DmNpO)

271

258 andycanuck

 

We loved it all, the trip to Niagara Falls and also a visit to a winery which makes ice wine - we love our wines but we'd never heard of ice wine

 

I have a zillion  photos of our Toronto holiday - my old Aussie bloke who  is lawyer loved the lawyers office underground - my favourite Toronto experience was travelling on the public transport to anywhere and people watching plus a drink at Gretsky's (?) and looking at all the memorabilia on the walls

 

Also a visit to the Blue Jays stadium

 

Too many good things seen to list!  

Posted by: aussie at February 11, 2014 05:17 AM (nP3cM)

272 Don't forget, never use anything less then 'industrial strength' extension cord with a space heater. The extension cord should never feel the slightest bit warm when the space heater is plugged in and running full blast. Posted by: Public Service Message at February 11, 2014 09:14 AM (CnA9 I have outlet right next to the chair I sit in in my living room. I have iPad charging there & will move it to someplace else. Thank you.

Posted by: Carol at February 11, 2014 05:18 AM (z4WKX)

273 Good riddance to Eric Holder. Who's taking his place? - Bill Ayers

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 11, 2014 05:18 AM (ee9LE)

274 This seems like fairly big news Live Action ‏@LiveActionFilms 11m Researchers announced yesterday that they had succeeded in turning human skin cells into fully pluripotent stem cells http://t.co/az4Ilncgqf

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 05:18 AM (DmNpO)

275 With all this talk about heating I decided to check the Porch thermometer. -15 fucking degrees. Then I checked my basement thermometer it's only 35 degrees. I may have to fire up the main furnace today before my pipes freeze.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 11, 2014 05:18 AM (TI3xG)

276 Of all the republican “leadership” I’m not sure who I want to slap more, Cantor, Ryan or McConnell.

Posted by: Carol at February 11, 2014 05:19 AM (z4WKX)

277 Don't forget, never use anything less then 'industrial strength' extension cord with a space heater. The extension cord should never feel the slightest bit warm when the space heater is plugged in and running full blast.
Posted by: Public Service Message at February 11, 2014 09:14 AM (CnA9


As my neighbor found out, it's wise to check the wiring at the outlet.
All houses in the neighborhood were built in the early '70s and have aluminum wiring.

I had to splice copper and install a 20 amp outlet in one room.  "That close" to a house fire.

Posted by: jwb7605 [/i][/u][/s][/b] at February 11, 2014 05:19 AM (ZALPg)

278 Am I in error here? Posted by: irongrampa at February 11, 2014 09:16 AM (SAMxH) As far as I know, it's generally recommended that you can turn it down some, but don't turn it all the way off because the system will have to work harder to get back to the normal temp.

Posted by: Mainah at February 11, 2014 05:19 AM (659DL)

279 My favorite part of going to Toronto is the glass- floored CN Tower observation deck. Always creeps me out in a good way. My favorite thing (favourite thing?) used to be all the awesome record stores, back when there were such things as record stores.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 11, 2014 05:19 AM (7ObY1)

280 Y'all should consider moving to the South.

I was worrying about my electric bill (heat pump, electric water heater) what with the snow last month.  $157.  I just turned the thermostat up to 70.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 11, 2014 05:19 AM (V70Uh)

281 Posted by: irongrampa at February 11, 2014 09:16 AM (SAMxH) My understanding is that it depends on how far you let it rise/fall over/under your comfort area. Within about 5 degrees F (as I understand it), you're saving money. Out side of that, it's more iffy. Far enough outside of that and you're losing money when you have to re-cool/re-heat your home. Of course that assumes an electric system, not gas or oil (about which I have no idea). It can also be messed up if the external temperature is too far out of whack.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 05:19 AM (PYAXX)

282 Posted by: spypeach at February 11, 2014 09:14 AM (10H0T)

Yes and I had a wood stove going full blast most of the time, especially during the critical periods of global warmening.  I think my "new" high performance heat pump is failing its performance test.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2014 05:20 AM (o3MSL)

283 I believe that of you allow all the living area to cool, you will expend more energy raising it to your comfort level than simply setting and forgetting.

Am I in error here?

Posted by: irongrampa at February 11, 2014 09:16 AM (SAMxH)

No, you aren't.  It takes more energy to re-heat an area than it does to simply maintain it's temperature.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 11, 2014 05:21 AM (fwARV)

284 245?
aussie?

Saint Simons Island. On the south end, on the ocean. When I was a kid it was a retirement community- all the jobs were on the mainland. About 3,000 residents, a third of them black.

Then it turned into a "hot property"- real estate prices thru the roof. My house, which Mom sold in 1991 for $400,000 was listed at the peak for $4,000,000. It didn't sell and real estate collapsed here.

But it was a great place to grow up in. Almost no crime- with 2 drawbridge to raise, criminals had a hard time getting away.

I used to row my batt-tow ( I never can recall the proper spelling ) to the Pier to trade in Coke bottles and get a hot dog and small Coke from Ward's drugstore for 25 cents.

Good times.

Posted by: backhoe at February 11, 2014 05:21 AM (ULH4o)

285 We loved it all, the trip to Niagara Falls and also a visit to a winery which makes ice wine - we love our wines but we'd never heard of ice wine

I have a zillion photos of our Toronto holiday - my old Aussie bloke who is lawyer loved the lawyers office underground - my favourite Toronto experience was travelling on the public transport to anywhere and people watching plus a drink at Gretsky's (?) and looking at all the memorabilia on the walls

Also a visit to the Blue Jays stadium

Too many good things seen to list!

Posted by: aussie at February 11, 2014 09:17 AM (nP3cM)


My old stomping grounds until I moved to the US.  Glad to hear you enjoyed your visit to Cabbagetown as the old comedians on SCTV used to call it.

Did you get to go up to the CN Tower?  If you were at the stadium, the CNT is right next to it.  When you go up, there's a floor in the observation deck made of the clear plexiglass.  You are able to look down about a thousand feet to the ground below.  If you are afraid of heights, then you should avoid looking down.  I took my family there when they visited TO with me for the first time and jumped up and down on the plexiglass and freaked them out.


Posted by: EC at February 11, 2014 05:21 AM (GQ8sn)

286 Semantical gobbledegook. I read the article, and it was the most annoying hair splitting I ever read in my life. -NotCoach ...out in the not-uniformed world, that kind of fine-hair-splitting language might be considered a tad disingenuous, to say the least. -mindful webworker heh.

Posted by: great thoughts with but a single mindful webworker at February 11, 2014 05:22 AM (+kzsa)

287 Watch out, JackStraw. Don't want to embarrass logprof. /sarc Good morning, haterz. Yesterday sucked balls. Hope today is better.

Posted by: Y-not at February 11, 2014 05:22 AM (K5Csv)

288 Hey! A speed skater with boobs.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 05:23 AM (DmNpO)

289 Can't you folks with oil/kerosene heat install an electric system, such as ductless, and use the oil/kerosene as a backup? Cost prohibitive? Efficiency wise not much difference between them and localized space heaters. They both use (the ones I've investigated, anyway) electrical resistance to create warmth. One costs around $2,000 per unit, the other about $50. The ductless systems will provide air conditioning in summer, so there's that.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at February 11, 2014 05:23 AM (CnA98)

290 Hey! A speed skater with boobs.

The drag will make her finish last.



Posted by: EC at February 11, 2014 05:24 AM (GQ8sn)

291 I'm convinced that "the people" are too far gone to worry about some snowboarding assclown's makeup. Hell, I"m a gay-hating homophobe because I don't wish to celebrate a football player who wants to put his junk in a toxic waste pit.

Posted by: Libtardo at February 11, 2014 05:24 AM (3Vah/)

292

285 backhoe

 

Thanks - I will research that location - I'm just crazy about looking at maps of places I hear about

Your life sounded quite wonderful on that island

Are you still near there?

Posted by: aussie at February 11, 2014 05:25 AM (nP3cM)

293 Can't you folks with oil/kerosene heat install an electric system, such as ductless, and use the oil/kerosene as a backup? Cost prohibitive? Posted by: NiedermeyerÂ’s Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 09:16 AM (DmNpO) The oil burners are older than I am and it would be close to $20,000 to replace them. When I go to work I am gone for a long time. I didnÂ’t get home last night until after midnight. I was gone for 14 hours. I wasnÂ’t keeping the house at a comfortable level when IÂ’m not here. My older brother usually comes up about an hour before he thinks IÂ’ll be home & turns heat to 64 or something. At night I leave it like that and turn it up when I wake up and until I take a shower. itÂ’s in single digits here this morning. According to Weather Channel app it is 17 but feels lie 2. Tonight it will be 7 and feel like zero. Tomorrow itÂ’s going to be colder.

Posted by: Carol at February 11, 2014 05:26 AM (z4WKX)

294 Morning all. Was never a big Shirley Temple fan, being a boy and all, but hat's off and a RIP to someone who seemed to have done it the right way. With strong family support, she never went all Hollywood, but was brought up correctly and them brought her own family up the same way. And she was one of us. We lost one of the good ones last night.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2014 05:26 AM (t3UFN)

295 I guess Weir's explanation would be that he is "gaying it up" for Putin. But, he is an announcer and is suppose to be adding intelligent commentary tot he events - not politicizing.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 11, 2014 05:26 AM (NRYdU)

296 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 09:19 AM (PYAXX) FWIW, mine drops from 68F to 62 when I'm at home alone. (I bundle up and/or use a small room heater.) It drops again to 64 at night, but that may change. Over the same period, I've been paying less for gas than my parents whose house is newer, with a much more efficient furnace. (Although they do have a gas stove and dryer, but also a slightly bigger house.) They keep there's pretty much at 68F all the time. And not "a little less" Like $30-40/month less. YMMV. Generally speaking though, it costs more to keep something (like a house) at a higher temp than it does to bring it back up to that temp once/day. But never turn it off completely, otherwise you could suffer pipe problems. I've been told never drop much below 60F, otherwise any pipes under sinks on exterior walls may have a bad day if it gets cold.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at February 11, 2014 05:26 AM (GaqMa)

297

Good riddance to Eric Holder.

Who's taking his place?

 

Ron Kuby ?

Mike Nifong ?

Posted by: McCool at February 11, 2014 05:27 AM (nCSwS)

298 @269 Did not know NBC had a sports network til just now. Doh. Thanks.

Posted by: Beagle at February 11, 2014 05:27 AM (sOtz/)

299 I don't suppose electric heat has been a viable choice in climates that have a heating system since the end of the nuclear dream. Even at that, I have one of those under-rug pads that I run for a couple of hours a day when it's under 10, and I like it. A full month of that though, and you will notice the difference on the bill.

IG, like turning the lights off every time you leave a room, that's the kind of stuff they've wanted us to argue about for the last 40 years. No clear answer. It will depend on your house, the amount of thermal mass you've got laying around, and how quick your heat-up is. I'm a great believer in hydronic systems, but almost all current home heat advice is based on gas-fired forced air. Hot water systems don't boost a room temp very quickly, but maintain it more efficiently.

Carol, after you get your insulation, I'd have an innovative heat guy look over that heating system. There a scores of little improvements you can make on old radiator systems that pay off in fuel and in "liveability." For instance, you can fairly easily install bypass pipes for some room radiators, that allow you to leave the system on but turn that room down or off.

You can break up the house into more zones with individual control. You can put in proportioning valves, so more heat goes to one zone than the others. You can insulate pipes where you don't want them to let heat out on their way to the radiators. All of these are cheap compared to installing a new boiler or a whole new system. And those old cast iron radiators are very good heat-savers.

 

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 11, 2014 05:28 AM (xq1UY)

300 Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2014 09:20 AM (o3MSL) We also have to have a space heater going all the time in our upstairs laundry, there's no heat or a/c in that room. Couple weeks ago the laundry drain pipe froze and I didn't realize until the laundry cycle was done, we had a nice flooded laundry room and water pouring into our garage. Good times, so far this year we've had a chimney fire and a flood, not sure what's next.

Posted by: spypeach at February 11, 2014 05:28 AM (10H0T)

301 I could probably skip going to the store to stock up for a potential couple days of stay-off-the-road conditions, but for two staples that are sorely lacking. Beer and bird seed. This is the first year, ever, that we haven't had at least one outdoor cat with us, so I can finally feed the birds without feeling like I'm baiting a trap.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 11, 2014 05:28 AM (ZshNr)

302

Hell, I"m a gay-hating homophobe because I don't wish to celebrate a football player who wants to put his junk in a toxic waste pit.

 

---------------

 

His agent is a genius though...if his client  doesn't get the contract he wants, it's because the NFL is intolerant and needs to be sued.

Posted by: @JohnTant at February 11, 2014 05:28 AM (eytER)

303

Morning, all!

 

You know, seeing that Obammycare whatsit from Cantor reminds me:  I'm sure it wasn't deliberate that the Olympic ring    that malfunctioned is the one that    represents the Americas.  

 

Just sayin'.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/b][/u] at February 11, 2014 05:28 AM (4df7R)

304 The ductless systems will provide air conditioning in summer, so there's that.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 11, 2014 09:23 AM (CnA9


A slimjim ductless system cost in the order of $5000 installed (actual data from a friend fro a quality install).  They work great, but....


I have seen ads for lower prices, but don't know what the installer's quality of work would be.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2014 05:29 AM (o3MSL)

305 Snow worries you'd never heard of ice wine before, Aussie.  

And close on the bar (chain) name: it's Gretzky's, named after a very good hockey player. The stadium with the retractable dome is quite the site too. I don't go often but I've caught a few baseball and CFL football games there.

And if the big record store you checked out was Sam The Record Man's store, BlueStateRebel, it has gone out of business, alas, for reasons suggested in your comment.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 11, 2014 05:29 AM (/QAZd)

306 Did not know NBC had a sports network til just now. Doh. Thanks. Posted by: Beagle at February 11, 2014 09:27 AM (sOtz/) Neither do most people at NBC Sports

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2014 05:29 AM (t3UFN)

307 Did not know NBC had a sports network til just now. Doh. Thanks. *** You're welcome. I've been watching it during the day and NBC at night. Be careful you don't get suckered into watching the same thing twice. I did that the other day.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 05:30 AM (DmNpO)

308 I was not ordered to stand down. I was ordered to {remain in place}‘Stand down’ implies that we cease all operations, cease all activities. We continued to support the team that was in Tripoli. So you supported them by... voyeurism? Seriously? Yeah, no- in common parlance, that would be "stand down." And bullshit on it being "catastrophic" to anything except Barack Obama's political agenda for you to have gone in there. There's "following orders" and then there's "carrying the water." One I can accept, the other I cannot.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 05:30 AM (PYAXX)

309 >>Good times, so far this year we've had a chimney fire and a flood, not sure what's next. Famine and then the locusts and frogs.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2014 05:30 AM (g1DWB)

310 And if the big record store you checked out was Sam The Record Man's store, BlueStateRebel, it has gone out of business, alas, for reasons suggested in your comment.


HMV was near there.  Is it still in business or did that one fold too?

Posted by: EC at February 11, 2014 05:30 AM (GQ8sn)

311 Oh geez,Cooke is now fighting with conservatives on Twitter because GW Bush had a bigger WH entertainment budget than Obama.

Posted by: steevy at February 11, 2014 05:31 AM (zqvg6)

312 Posted by: spypeach at February 11, 2014 09:28 AM (10H0T)


Have you checked the nearby tectonic plates yet?


At least water in the garage is somewhat less destructive (at least it would be in my garage).

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2014 05:31 AM (o3MSL)

313

286 EC

 

Yes we went up the CN Tower but for some reason I wasn't scared looking down through the plexiglass even though I can't get up on a chair because of my fear of heights

 

However in Auckland NZ there is also a tower with a plexiglass floor and I was petrified there !

 

Maybe in Toronto I was mellow because of all the ice wine....

More things we liked in Toronto -the food/sausage stands and the bars...with the house wine being an Aussie drop in some of them!

Now I feel like looking through my lovely Toronto photos..

Posted by: aussie at February 11, 2014 05:31 AM (nP3cM)

314 #286 Did you get to go up to the CN Tower? If you were at the stadium, the CNT is right next to it. When you go up, there's a floor in the observation deck made of the clear plexiglass. You are able to look down about a thousand feet to the ground below. If you are afraid of heights, then you should avoid looking down. That glass floored observation deck creeps me out in that good/creepy, haunted-house sort of way. You can see forever from up there.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 11, 2014 05:32 AM (7ObY1)

315 I've been watching it during the day and NBC at night. Be careful you don't get suckered into watching the same thing twice. I did that the other day. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 09:30 AM (DmNpO) Yeah the NBC sports Network is one of the least politicized of the NBC outlets. It's "mostly" just sports and still mostly on tape. It's basically the curling network during the day, which is ok, I'm getting back into curling.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2014 05:32 AM (t3UFN)

316 You can break up the house into more zones with individual control. You can put in proportioning valves, so more heat goes to one zone than the others. You can insulate pipes where you don't want them to let heat out on their way to the radiators. All of these are cheap compared to installing a new boiler or a whole new system. And those old cast iron radiators are very good heat-savers. Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 11, 2014 09:28 AM (xq1UY) Thank you, Stringer Davis. I just had to put a new roof on the house. Money is very tight now. IÂ’ll have someone look at it next year. IÂ’ll cut & paste your suggestion into a word document.

Posted by: Carol at February 11, 2014 05:32 AM (z4WKX)

317 I'd like to know how those budgets are calculated, steevy. Must not include the Os' global vacation plan.

Posted by: Y-not at February 11, 2014 05:33 AM (K5Csv)

318 So, how is my day going, you ask? 1. Wife and I get to the range at 0900, and have bee shooting for the last half hour. 2. Wife and I got to the range at 0900, discovered it doesn't open till 1000, and have been sitting in the car for the last half hour. Pick the correct answer, and win a prize.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 11, 2014 05:33 AM (mtouK)

319 Oh geez,Cooke is now fighting with conservatives on Twitter because GW Bush had a bigger WH entertainment budget than Obama. *** Yet I don't recall ever seeing a photo of Barney sitting at a table set with fine china.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 05:33 AM (DmNpO)

320 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 09:30 AM (PYAXX)

Congress by affirmation, and Obama by design, have ensured that the senior officer corps are political first and foremost, and any other military attributes they might have once possessed have been firmly suppressed.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2014 05:34 AM (o3MSL)

321 Oh geez,Cooke is now fighting with conservatives on Twitter because GW Bush had a bigger WH entertainment budget than Obama. Posted by: steevy at February 11, 2014 09:31 AM (zqvg6) yeah, maybe, but see President Bush wasn't railing against the excesses of the Super Rich in America and casting the rich as being evil. obama is, so that puts a rather different light on White House excesses

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2014 05:34 AM (t3UFN)

322 318 I doubt it does,probably only State functions at the WH,and GW did have a large number of those.

Posted by: steevy at February 11, 2014 05:34 AM (zqvg6)

323
   Our house--single story ranch, built in 1967, is insulated far beyond the requirements of the time.  We live in the Adirondacks, so winters can be pretty bad.

   Looks to be the prior owner(s) added insulation and different windows at some point. The roof will hold whatever snow falls with little or no melting.

   I particularly like the deep soffits. You can stand under them in a rainstorm and remain dry.  It also has the advantage of keeping water away from the basement level.

    Really nice house that was and is well maintained.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 11, 2014 05:34 AM (SAMxH)

324 3. Village Idiot and wife steaming up the car windows

Posted by: Y-not at February 11, 2014 05:34 AM (K5Csv)

325 No matter what I achieve in life from here out -- I will never get a twitter account, even if they paid me.

Posted by: SFGoth at February 11, 2014 05:35 AM (M3JDe)

326 I've been told never drop much below 60F, otherwise any pipes under sinks on exterior walls may have a bad day if it gets cold. Results may vary, but our inside temps dropped as low as 40 degrees on Saturday before the power came back on. No issues, but I held my breath. I wasn't worried about the heavy copper used in supply lines under sinks, etc. The copper in hot water baseboard systems is much thinner, though, by design. I have a well-insulated home. Not sure anyone should try that on a regular basis, but I think it would be safe to go as low as 50 degrees. The local radio station advised people that 35 degrees was the critical number to watch. Below that they said it was pretty certain pipes were going to freeze. I have a thermometer with a remote sensor. You could place a unit like that under a sink and get an idea of what the 'normal' temperature difference is on a really cold day.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at February 11, 2014 05:35 AM (CnA98)

327 Congress by affirmation, and Obama by design, have ensured that the senior officer corps are political first and foremost, and any other military attributes they might have once possessed have been firmly suppressed. Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2014 09:34 AM (o3MSL) Well not so much the "Senior" Officer Corps, but more so, the Pentagon types

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2014 05:35 AM (t3UFN)

328 Yeah the NBC sports Network is one of the least politicized of the NBC outlets. It's "mostly" just sports and still mostly on tape. It's basically the curling network during the day, which is ok, I'm getting back into curling. *** I've only seen a little bit of curling, yesterday IIRC. Mostly it's been hockey and speed skating when I've been watching. And, in the wee hours, it's live. Just saw a twitter update and it seems that, as expected, Shaun White is pwing the Half Pipe.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 05:35 AM (DmNpO)

329 Posted by: @JohnTant at February 11, 2014 09:28 AM (eytER) FWIW, the local stations (they follow Mizzou football here) noted he was probably only a 3rd or 4th round pick at best. He's decidedly average I am to understand. (Average for a D1 player, but that doesn't get you a great spot in the NFL). They seemed ambivalent if he'd even be drafted.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at February 11, 2014 05:35 AM (GaqMa)

330 2. Wife and I got to the range at 0900, discovered it doesn't open till 1000, and have been sitting in the car for the last half hour.>>

At least you got  a hummer?

Posted by: The Hickster at February 11, 2014 05:35 AM (TI3xG)

331 Look out for a rain of frogs next, spypeach. Then you should consider moving!

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 11, 2014 05:36 AM (/QAZd)

332 More things we liked in Toronto -the food/sausage stands and the bars...with the house wine being an Aussie drop in some of them!

Wife and I are big Shiraz fans.


And riding the subway around town is fun.  Union Station, where you probably got off to go see the CNT and stadium, is where they filmed a scene from the first X-Men movie.  The part where Cyclops loses his glasses and Wolverine gets "frozen" by Magneto in the train yard.

Posted by: EC at February 11, 2014 05:36 AM (GQ8sn)

333 No matter what I achieve in life from here out -- I will never get a twitter account, even if they paid me. *** I really enjoy Twitter.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 05:36 AM (DmNpO)

334 Yep steevy. Of course, W didn't routinely step on his dick with other countries the way Fearless Reader does.

Posted by: Y-not at February 11, 2014 05:36 AM (K5Csv)

335 3. Village Idiot and wife steaming up the car windows

Posted by: Y-not at February 11, 2014 09:34 AM (K5Csv)


*handprint on the fogged up window*



Posted by: EC at February 11, 2014 05:37 AM (GQ8sn)

336 A well built ranch is a thing of beauty, irongrampa.

Posted by: Y-not at February 11, 2014 05:38 AM (K5Csv)

337 look out for a rain of frogs next, spypeach. Then you should consider moving! Posted by: andycanuck at February 11, 2014 09:36 AM (/QAZd) We have 1 1/2 years left until my youngest graduates, then we are outta here. Both my girls think the house is haunted... I think they might be right sometimes.

Posted by: spypeach at February 11, 2014 05:38 AM (10H0T)

338 Yeah the NBC sports Network is one of the least politicized of the NBC outlets. **** And this. It's been a pleasure to watch actual athletes report o the events and not have to listen to Costas' slobbering.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 05:38 AM (DmNpO)

339 Y-not. I wish. Wife's Dentist is next to range. Has a 1030 appointment. got it rolled to 0930, and is in chair now. Should be back on track soon. Dentist is a shooter as well.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 11, 2014 05:38 AM (mtouK)

340

Regarding  the  Benghazi  "stand  down"  order,  you  are  only  talking  about  a  four  man  team...  a  low  echelon  team.  We  need  to  know  what  GEN  Carter  Ham  was  told  to  do  with  other  forces  which  could  have  responded  at  his  command.  THAT's  the  stand  down  order  you want  to  know  if  was  given.

@peeteysdee  

Posted by: Peter S. Dee at February 11, 2014 05:38 AM (CMbMd)

341 2. Wife and I got to the range at 0900, discovered it doesn't open till 1000, and have been sitting in the car for the last half hour. Pick the correct answer, and win a prize. I'll pick door #2.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2014 05:39 AM (xorT2)

342 >>FWIW, the local stations (they follow Mizzou football here) noted he was probably only a 3rd or 4th round pick at best. >>He's decidedly average I am to understand. (Average for a D1 player, but that doesn't get you a great spot in the NFL). >>They seemed ambivalent if he'd even be drafted. He was a very good college player, led the SEC is sacks and tackles for a loss and was co-Defensive Player of the Year this past season. But scouts are mixed on his pro potential. He's too small for his natural position, DE, in the pros and he would be a project to transition to OLB.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2014 05:39 AM (g1DWB)

343 new post up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2014 05:39 AM (DmNpO)

344 Y-not, He is a good reader, I will give him that. Too bad itÂ’s confined to TOTUS!

Posted by: Carol at February 11, 2014 05:39 AM (z4WKX)

345 3. Village Idiot and wife steaming up the car windows Posted by: Y-not at February 11, 2014 09:34 AM (K5Csv) *handprint on the fogged up window* Better: Butt print.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2014 05:40 AM (xorT2)

346 293?
aussie?

Google 102 Hamilton street at SSI. You can see the empty lot where my home used to be. The 400 pound fat fucker who shortchanged my Mom bulldozed it. Depending on which story you believe he was either convinced "the land is worth more without the house on it" or because his wife went Lesbian and was having trysts in it.

Ironically, that Cute Cat Lady I might be "seeing"- or maybe not since I have seen little of her the last year and a half- lives next door at 103 Virgina street. Google that.

It's a small, strange world, after all.

A PS? My wives? Well, at least outliving them spared them the misery of burying me. Helen, my first, was a businesswoman. Emily, my second, was First Flute, principle chair in the Jacksonville Symphony Orchestra.

They could have had any man in the southeast. For whatever reason, they picked me. Honored to be Helen's consort for 7 years and Emily's for 25...

Tips bush hat heavenward
Spins- pretty good for an old guy
...and turns into the twilight....

Posted by: backhoe at February 11, 2014 05:40 AM (ULH4o)

347 We need a Soros punched in face by his girlfriend thread tonight.

Posted by: Jean at February 11, 2014 05:41 AM (4JkHl)

348 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at February 11, 2014 09:35 AM (GaqMa) And the scolding from the media has already begun. One of the local newsies (who is pretty well a douche anyway) had a long rant about how "some officials" in the NFL said there would probably be problems for the guy "'cause [the locker room] is a man's world." No names associated with that slanderous remark. Then he goes on about all the NFL players with actual criminal records saying "and that's okay." With one exception, every one he mentioned happened *after* the player was in the NFL for a while. But what really raised my eyebrows was the fact that he decided that scouts (having evaluated him long before he "came out") had placed him in the "3rd - 5th round" despite being (per this douche) "the best defensive player in the best conference in college football." That is- he's accusing the scouts of retroactive homophobia.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 05:41 AM (PYAXX)

349 Oh geez,Cooke is now fighting with conservatives on Twitter because GW Bush had a bigger WH entertainment budget than Obama.>>

I question that on it's face. But more importantly do Hawaii, Spain and Dinner in New York count as entertainment? No one budget item is the test it's the total.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 11, 2014 05:41 AM (TI3xG)

350

306 andycanuck

 

Even though we had a hire car we decided to go on an organised  day trip to Niagara Falls which included a visit to the winery - we would have missed it had we gone on our own!

 

Loved it and we had to be dragged out of there by the driver - not just us but the rest of the passengers!

 

The winery bloke was very funny and very generous with samples!

 

The stadium was awesome - most impressed!

Posted by: aussie at February 11, 2014 05:42 AM (nP3cM)

351 Nood

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 11, 2014 05:42 AM (o9Rp5)

352 HMV is still around as a 'super store' and, of course, probably no vinyl nowadays.
www.thegridto.com/city/places/hmv-at-333-yonge-an-oral-history/

And the A&A Records with the huge, red neon "A&A" marquee is out of business too.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 11, 2014 05:43 AM (/QAZd)

353 Could Sam play Mike?  (That's a football reference as a pun.)

Posted by: SFGoth at February 11, 2014 05:45 AM (M3JDe)

354 The best survival tool. Family/Friends that you haven't pissed off so bad that they wont take you in. Most disasters are fairly localized.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 11, 2014 08:38 AM (TI3xG)


Second best...Salt of the Earth Christians and their churches who take in refugees.  They also show up to clean up your disaster.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 11, 2014 05:46 AM (kXoT0)

355 293?
aussie?

I live in the Southend of Brunswick, now. Emily just fell in love with this huge, old, cold Victorian house I am in and had to have it. Amusingly, the abandoned JA Jones shipyard here- where they built Liberty Ships in WWII- was where Mom and Dad met. He was wiring them, she was just mustered out of the Women's Army auxiliary air corps from Caspar, Wyoming.

I was born 2 streets over in the old county hospital.

Posted by: backhoe at February 11, 2014 05:46 AM (ULH4o)

356 Teens Run Wild During Florida State Fair's First Friday ..." A commander with 30 years of experience, Maj. Tom Feeney, said it's the worst thing he has seen in law enforcement. He asked the Florida State Fair Authority to shut down the fair around 9 p.m.
" ... http://tinyurl.com/lmm6haa ---- Is it just me, or have the wheels fallen off since King Barry seized the reigns?

Posted by: Baldy at February 11, 2014 05:49 AM (2bql3)

357

356 backhoe

 

Thank you so much for this info

 

I'm going to sign off here and then spend a few minutes checking out where you live/and have lived in the past - it's nice to find out stuff about people you get to know here!

 

Internet is bloody wonderful...and have a lovely day

Posted by: aussie at February 11, 2014 05:50 AM (nP3cM)

358 If you can believe it, aluminum wiring was actually required by code in many areas, back in the 60's. And it's clearly, like, mafia -- correctly sized aluminum is really all right, but they just copied copper sizes, which should have been a criminal case.

Similarly, there does not appear to be clear code guidance on the routing of domestic water and heating water pipes in areas exposed to cold. This came up a while back on an ONT. When split-levels were popular, it was stylish to have a blockhouse overhang of the master BR over the garage. And builders would put heating water pipes in that overhang, what the hell, it's hot, right? No. A hot water pipe has to run through a heated area, else it'll freeze faster than a cold one will.

I have a little joke with myself. I built this house. It has full foundations, but the floor slab sits on the ground. Most of it has insulation underneath, not that you'd notice. When I built on, I considered putting heat pipes in the concrete. If I had, it would have been at the height of the use of Gulf Chemical's flex tube, all of which rotted out and failed. So I guess I was right to be wrong, but a radiant floor in that one big room would be great. If I did it now, which would be the godawfullest mess I could imagine. So, I go back and forth on that.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 11, 2014 05:51 AM (xq1UY)

359 If you're still on this thread SF Goth yesterday someone was profusely apologizing to you in quite a few threads over something that happened in the ONT from two (or three?) nights ago between you two.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 11, 2014 05:54 AM (/QAZd)

360 360 If you're still on this thread SF Goth yesterday someone was profusely apologizing to you in quite a few threads over something that happened in the ONT from two (or three?) nights ago between you two.
Posted by: andycanuck

Yes, thank you.  We had a discussion about that about 4 hours ago.  All is well.

Posted by: SFGoth at February 11, 2014 05:56 AM (M3JDe)

361 They seemed ambivalent if he'd even be drafted.

===

I don't think that's a concern anymore. Goodell won't allow the bad publicity of the gay guy going undrafted.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at February 11, 2014 05:59 AM (YmPwQ)

362 The first detection of intelligent extraterrestrial life will likely come within the next quarter-century, a prominent alien hunter predicts. (Space.com via Drudge) hahahaha. We'll "detect" them when they let us! Also, predicting 1st contact? Better luck predicting earthquakes. United Worlds Watcher assigned to us: So, do we smack them with SMOD today? UWW's Superior: Naw. Orders are, give 'em a little longer. I hear there's True Hope in certain pockets of the old USA. Anyway, not on Palin's 50th birthday.

Posted by: great thoughts with but a single mindful webworker at February 11, 2014 06:05 AM (Pm4tN)

363 pardon a slight sock adjustment before I get on w RL

Posted by: mindful webworker at February 11, 2014 06:11 AM (Pm4tN)

364 Stringer Davis, My next door neighbor is in his mid 70s and is very active and an electrician. I will have him check outlet before I use space heater that I have.

Posted by: Carol at February 11, 2014 06:19 AM (z4WKX)

365 @359  correctly sized aluminum is really all right, but they just copied copper sizes, which should have been a criminal case.

.....

but a radiant floor in that one big room would be great.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 11, 2014 09:51 AM (xq1UY)

In re aluminum, Yup.   Anything that is engineered right will work just fine.  Within its designated operating limits  ;-P


I put PEX tubing in my slab-on-grade.   It is the bosoms. But it would be a nightmare to add it to a pre-existing structure.


Posted by: Troll Feeder at February 11, 2014 06:39 AM (QFGmX)

366 Wait. Obamacare killed Shirley Temple? How heartless.

Or did I get that wrong?

Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2014 06:42 AM (GGCsk)

367 @341 'Regarding the Benghazi "stand down" order, you are only talking about a four man team... a low echelon team. We need to know what GEN Carter Ham was told to do with other forces which could have responded at his command. THAT's the stand down orderyou want to know if was given. @peeteysdee' Exactly! I'm kind of surprised at The Blaze, putting out this pro-Obama, pro-Hillary propaganda (maybe I don't know them very well?) They're arguing sematics about a 4-man team, the REAL issue is that the order for a REAL rescue team to go in was NOT given by POTUS. They have special teams that are specifically tasked to respond to EXACTLY this kind of emergency with FOUR HOURS. No such team even TRIED to respond, because of either gross negligence or political game-playing by the POTUS. It's questionable whether the Ambassador could have been saved, but nobody knew that, and nobody knew how long the attack would go on. At the very least, the message would be sent that the US would actually RESPOND!! Hillary's role was to authorized sub-standard security in one of the most dangerous places on Earth (apparently for the purpose of some sort of political messaging), and to work on political cover as it went down, instead of calling POTUS and insist he act like real President for once. I can't believe how anybody but an Obama troll could be unclear on this, at this point.

Posted by: Optimizer at February 11, 2014 11:09 AM (saDM3)

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