May 08, 2014

Top Headline Comments 5-8-14
— Gabriel Malor

Happy Thursday.

Neo-neocon had a thorough dissection of NYTimes "shilly-shallying" earlier this week.

National Journal reports on the "conga line of problems" at HHS.

Hey, remember when Sec. Clinton's State Department repeatedly declined to designate Boko Haram as a terrorist group? The Daily Beast does.

Interesting that 26 Dems voted for the resolution asking DOJ for a special counsel in IRS scandal. And yet only 6 Dems voted for contempt for Lerner.

On the Lerner situation, as I wrote a couple times before, the next step is for the U.S. Attorney's office to bring the matter before a grand jury. I don't expect the Obama administration will allow that, though, despite 2 U.S.C. § 194. In the past, DOJs have declined to fulfill their duty under § 194 when they could cite executive privilege. There's been not a whisper of a suggestion that executive privilege applies in Lerner's case, but does anyone really think it likely that the administration will let this go before a grand jury?

Also, keep in mind that the outcome for the criminal contempt route is not that Lerner is ordered to testify. Under this procedure, she can simply be fined or imprisoned, not compelled to come clean. If the House wants to actually get her testimony, it will have to sue for civil contempt, which is the procedure it took to get AG Holder to cough up Fast & Furious information. The Holder contempt case is notably still bogged down in court.

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1 Good Morning Morons.  Today is Thursday, May 08, 2014.  On this day in 1794 Antoine Laurent Lavoisier, the father of modern chemistry, was guillotined during the Reign of Terror.  He was convicted on purely bogus charges along with 27 other co-defendants who all went to the guillotine on the same day.  The judge said France needed no scientists.   He probably said he didn't believe in anthropologic Global Warming either,

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:54 AM (T2V/1)

2 More shut up they said.  The Gaystapo strikes again. Perhaps a conservative network should start canceling shows with gays in it or one who act like the "Gaystapo activists".   Oh wait, that's right.  We don't have a conservative network.


http://tinyurl.com/mu8ukwk

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:55 AM (T2V/1)

3 Obama threatens more sanctions on Russia.  Putin farts in his general direction.


http://tinyurl.com/poqpxs2

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:55 AM (T2V/1)

4 The House voted to hold the criminal Lerner in contempt. Evidently it was not criminal contempt because it is going to Holder to determine if the DOJ will prosecute or not instead of straight to the DC circuit court.  That means that like the other contempt charge against her, the unindicted criminal Holder will ignore it.   They should have went with criminal contempt to bypass the SOB.


http://tinyurl.com/n7vmspq

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:55 AM (T2V/1)

5 And if Holder does refuse to prosecute (or if he conducts a sham trial) the House has another option.  And this is something I never heard of and knew nothing about.  It is "inherent contempt" that allows the House to jail her in the capitol (I also didn't know they had their own jail).


http://tinyurl.com/pb9l8tr

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:55 AM (T2V/1)

6 The team being sent to Nigeria has been scaled back and will act only as "consultants", meaning that all they will be is targets.


http://tinyurl.com/lqbfzw7

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:56 AM (T2V/1)

7 Good morning Vic, pixel people friends!

Posted by: Gmac - Pondering ... something at May 08, 2014 02:56 AM (4pjhs)

8 It has always been against the law to block the view of your auto license plate, but this has to be selective prosecution and overreach.  It went for 5 years in court and the defendant lost.  So why was the stop actually made?  A confidential informant said he was dealing drugs.  So back to the stupid war on drugs again. This is the ONLY case I have ever seen where the law was enforced because the county name was blocked.


http://tinyurl.com/o593z52

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:56 AM (T2V/1)

9 The lawyers for the Boston bomber filed a brief with the court saying that the prosecution should not be able to use targeting of the Boston Marathon as an aggravating factor for the death penalty.  Recall that the Supreme Court has ruled that there must be some kind of aggravating factor before the death penalty could be imposed. They also asked for the death penalty to be declared unconstitutional.  This is a desperate attempt to get the needle off the table before the trial even starts.


http://tinyurl.com/mcg2wnn

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:56 AM (T2V/1)

10 Did you know that the DHS has a "hands off" list of Muzzie terrorists?  Just open the gates and let them in.


http://tinyurl.com/nwp2g9n

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:56 AM (T2V/1)

11 The EPA is riddled with rampant waste, fraud, and criminal conduct says the IG.  And all the probes into their actions are being blocked by the corrupt leadership.  Time to kill this agency.


http://tinyurl.com/mqueo59

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:57 AM (T2V/1)

12 And one high ranking EPA staffer does nothing but watch porn all day on government time and computers.  Well, they may actually be a good thing.


http://tinyurl.com/kjwngwk

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:57 AM (T2V/1)

13 And he got bonuses for watching porn!  Where do I sign up?


http://tinyurl.com/nsq2b44

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:57 AM (T2V/1)

14 The Scott Walker "win" in court has been delayed by an appeals court.  More lawfare from the Dems.


http://tinyurl.com/nnwm3o3

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:58 AM (T2V/1)

15 Report says the evil "sequester" only resulted in 1 job loss among 23 federal agencies.  I guess the military, which bore the brunt of the cuts, is not considered a federal agency.


http://tinyurl.com/m7xt3qb

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:58 AM (T2V/1)

16 DAY 548 915 to go (988 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, McConnell's, McAuliffe's, Maduro's, MIRV's, Mexifornians, menacing Mozillan 'mo's, Mugwumps, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, microagressors, minions, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 02:58 AM (CMkNk)

17 Ted Cruz developed a list of 76 illegal actions performed by Obama.  If this isn't grounds for impeachment nothing is.


http://tinyurl.com/lrfe83a

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:58 AM (T2V/1)

18 Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen made it clear she believes the economy still requires a strong dose of stimulus five years after the recession ended because unemployment and inflation are well short of the FedÂ’s goals.



I have two things to say about this.  We don't need any more stimulus.  What we need is to kill about 99% of the stifling regulations issued by the corrupt Obamanite admin.  And the only reason the "official" inflation rate is low is because it is an outright lie.   And financing the debt by "printing" money only makes the problem worse.


http://tinyurl.com/maem38j

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:58 AM (T2V/1)

19 Rob Emanuel's motorcade caught speeding and running red lights 20 times.


http://tinyurl.com/lde2zty

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:59 AM (T2V/1)

20 This is what Obama and his ilk want for the US.  Venezuela, in addition to rationing water, will now ration electricity.  And yes, look for us to do both because it has already happened before and is happening now.  CA is already rationing water and every time you have rotating blackouts due to electricity shortages that is "rationing".   This is what the watermelons want.


http://tinyurl.com/p3cmaj7

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:59 AM (T2V/1)

21 Saw Paul Simon last night at an NYU award/fundraising event. He was damn good and totally apolitical. Ended with "American Song" and "Call Me Al." Fun night and mercifully 99.999% no politics.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 02:59 AM (CMkNk)

22 Meh, pron is the least of our problems from an agency that places undue burdens on any vehicle owner in the guise of protecting the environment.

Posted by: Gmac - Pondering ... something at May 08, 2014 02:59 AM (4pjhs)

23 Be advised that reviews of products on Amazon or not protected speech.  Here we have a  company engaged in lawfare to halt a negative review and some accusations about astroturf product reviews.


http://tinyurl.com/krgceub

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:59 AM (T2V/1)

24 As predicted when congress shutdown the so-called "net neutrality" bill, the FCC is now set to broadly increase its regulations over the internet.  The "net neutrality" bill has been imposed by regulatory fiat despite a court ruling that it was illegal.  But now the FCC under the corrupt Obamanites is going full bore.  Perhaps it is time to restore the FCC to what its only real function should be, issuing radio and TV licenses.


http://tinyurl.com/mpvj6rx

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:00 AM (T2V/1)

25 WaPo just can not win.  Health inspectors have shut down its employee cafeteria.


http://tinyurl.com/mwn4jbj

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:00 AM (T2V/1)

26 Morning all.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 08, 2014 03:00 AM (d0Dmj)

27 The Obama administration announced Wednesday it would issue new guidance requiring U.S. schools to provide equal education to all children, regardless of their immigration status.

Attorney Gen. Eric Holder and Education Secretary Arne Duncan are expected to detail the proposal Thursday morning during a conference call with reporters.


The courts have ruled that the State must provide schooling for the children of illegals.  I guess he wants to create another illegal regulation that expands that.  He has absolutely zero authority for schools under the Constitution but this lawless bastard doesn't give a damn.   Note how The Hill slants this article in the last paragraph acting like the courts are OK with this already.


So what can the States do?  Commence deporting illegals on their own and tell Holder and Obama to kiss their ass.   Also, they can send Obama a bill for tuition.  Not the Dept of education, but Obama personally.   When he refuses to pay it sue him in State court.


http://tinyurl.com/m9f3h6q

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:00 AM (T2V/1)

28 In a move that should have been obvious in coming, companies are looking at dumping their costliest employees from company health insurance to Obamacide. This article says they are looking a shifting costs to the public; in fact unless they are destitute the increased cost will go to the employee.  And since they are employees, or are retired like me, they will not be destitute and thus eligible for "subsidies".   Oh well, I will be on mandatory Medicare soon anyway.


http://tinyurl.com/l7vx6lc

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:00 AM (T2V/1)

29 Another unnamed "police informant" results in a drug bust and death of a 17 year old teen. No drugs were found but the kid is dead in this stupid war on drugs. I guess we should start calling cops the Drugstapo.   But the parents of this kid are suing so not to worry, the Huntsville taxpayers will be held accountable for their thuggish behavior.   And it took a year for local reporters to get the autopsy report.  I suspect a massive cover-up was ongoing.


http://tinyurl.com/ou2a2eg

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:01 AM (T2V/1)

30 Doesn't speech count as "communications?" Abolish the 1st Amendment!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 03:01 AM (CMkNk)

31 The Mayor Pro-tem of Westminister, CO (pop 106K suburb of Denver) wants to compel landlords to register voters. No Party affiliation is given in this article and after a diligent search I could not find it listed.  However, the search revealed numerous facts that indicate she is a hardcore liberal activist so I assume she is a Democrat. This law looks like it will pass and it is blatantly unconstitutional. That seems to be the normal modus operandi of Democrats.


http://tinyurl.com/okt2pty

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:01 AM (T2V/1)

32 Obama has succeeded in subverting the military leadership with his purges and threats. The House has moved to preserve military pay and benefits from the Obama cuts and unbelievably the Joint Chiefs object.


http://tinyurl.com/l2lddws

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:01 AM (T2V/1)

33 So the WA PO not only prints crap, they serve it to.

Posted by: Gmac - Pondering ... something at May 08, 2014 03:02 AM (4pjhs)

34 An Atheiststapo group from WI has sued to remove a veteran's memorial in Big Mountain, MT from "public" property.  A local circuit court has ruled that it is fine but the militant atheists have moved on to the liberal 9th circuit court of appeals with their lawfare.  My big question is how in the hell did a group of militant assholes in WI get standing to sue for a statue in MT?  The federal rules of standing require that there be a direct and provable link to harm to them personally caused by the action they are suing over.  Just more evidence that liberal courts do not give a damn for the real law.


http://tinyurl.com/lzk8vvy

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:02 AM (T2V/1)

35 NYC councilman arrested for looting his non-profit blames racism for his arrest.


http://tinyurl.com/ppet3ld

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:02 AM (T2V/1)

36 A stupid tragic accident occurs as a man showing off the laser sight on his Glock shoots his 11 year old nephew in the head.  Some people may actually be too stupid to own a gun.


http://tinyurl.com/lpml6x3

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:02 AM (T2V/1)

37 Here's one food stamp fraud that Democrats will never agree to.  A NH representative wants people to be able to buy a gun with an EBT card.


http://tinyurl.com/n4uc7mx

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:03 AM (T2V/1)

38 "La République n'a pas besoin de savants ni de chimistes ; le cours de la justice ne peut être suspendu."

Posted by: Revolutionary Justice at May 08, 2014 03:03 AM (Pa9vP)

39

17: "If this isn't grounds for impeachment nothing is."

 

Today, as in times past, there is no law but what the man with the gun says there is.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at May 08, 2014 03:03 AM (f6ZLT)

40 Cankles says there is no reason for the Benghazi investigation to continue.  Hey scrunt, people in Hell want ice water too. When you and the rest of the people involved with lying to congress over the cover up and incompetence are in jail then perhaps the investigation can end.


http://tinyurl.com/kaablyp

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:03 AM (T2V/1)

41 Mike Rogers (RINO-MI, ACU 65) goes after Hannity and Rush before getting his own show on liberal Cumulus.


http://tinyurl.com/kaablyp

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:03 AM (T2V/1)

42 Once upon a time Harvard was created as a religious school from a donation by an English Minister in the colonies.  Now the students have a club that is holding a satanic black mass there.  I suspect if Obama locates John Harvard's grave and attaches a PMG to his bones he can generate a lot of "green" energy for MA.  The next question is "what if a student club wanted to hold a Christian gathering there?"


http://tinyurl.com/m5g7295

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:04 AM (T2V/1)

43 31 This law looks like it will pass and it is blatantly unconstitutional. That seems to be the normal modus operandi of Democrats. http://tinyurl.com/okt2pty Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2014 07:01 AM (T2V/1) The Demokrat-Statists MO is test the waters. If not, then just pass a law, which will take years to navigate all the way in the courts to SCOTUS. Odds are that it will be upheld. I'll say this for them; they never give up. If only our erected officials were one tenth as tenacious, and sadly, if only We the People were one tenth as diligent all the time because, as the late momma Sefton always said "evil never rests."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 03:04 AM (CMkNk)

44 Kindle Daily Deals


http://tinyurl.com/mdbywa9


That's it for today folks.   I am lopping it off here and not going to the print links (other than those already linked from the earlier sites) because I am already up to 8 pages.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:04 AM (T2V/1)

45 "The House voted to hold the criminal Lerner in contempt."



BFD. Doesn't mean squat till someone goes to prison.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 08, 2014 03:06 AM (yh0zB)

46 Hey Vic. Wrong link on the Mike Rogers post.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 03:06 AM (CMkNk)

47 Also, keep in mind that the outcome for the criminal contempt route is not that Lerner is ordered to testify. Under this procedure, she can simply be fined or imprisoned, not compelled to come clean. If the House wants to actually get her testimony, it will have to sue for civil contempt, which is the procedure it took to get AG Holder to cough up Fast & Furious information. The Holder contempt case is notably still bogged down in court.



There was no indication that I cold find that this was designated as "criminal contempt".  Criminal contempt as I understand the law on it bypasses the DOJ and goes straight to the DC circuit court. Since the press reports say this goes to the DOJ it must not be criminal contempt.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:07 AM (T2V/1)

48 45 "The House voted to hold the criminal Lerner in contempt." BFD. Doesn't mean squat till someone goes to prison. Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 08, 2014 07:06 AM (yh0zB) Interestingly (politically) a number of Democrats voted to hold her in contempt as well as for the select committee. Bi-partisan, yo.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 03:07 AM (CMkNk)

49 So what can the States do? Commence deporting illegals on their own and tell Holder and Obama to kiss their ass. Also, they can send Obama a bill for tuition. Not the Dept of education, but Obama personally. When he refuses to pay it sue him in State court. 9th & 10th Amendment. And a spine.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 08, 2014 03:12 AM (d0Dmj)

50 49 So what can the States do? Commence deporting illegals on their own and tell Holder and Obama to kiss their ass. Also, they can send Obama a bill for tuition. Not the Dept of education, but Obama personally. When he refuses to pay it sue him in State court. 9th & 10th Amendment. And a spine. Posted by: rickb223 at May 08, 2014 07:12 AM (d0Dmj) Sanctuary States - That is, sanctuary states for AMERICANS. The rest get the boot.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 03:13 AM (CMkNk)

51

49: "9th & 10th Amendment.
And a spine. "

 

Withdrawals from no longer getting all that fed cheese will be a beeyoch.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at May 08, 2014 03:14 AM (f6ZLT)

52 51 49: "9th 10th Amendment. And a spine. " Withdrawals from no longer getting all that fed cheese will be a beeyoch. Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at May 08, 2014 07:14 AM (f6ZLT) You'd be surprised how a little withdrawal does a body good.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 03:15 AM (CMkNk)

53 36 A stupid tragic accident occurs as a man showing off the laser sight on his Glock shoots his 11 year old nephew in the head. Some people may actually be too stupid to own a gun. http://tinyurl.com/lpml6x3 Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2014 07:02 AM (T2V/1) I feel terrible for this kid's family (except the fucking asshole uncle) and it infuriates me. Needless and senseless. And of course, the usual cast of characters will come out to do the mambo on this poor kid's grave.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 08, 2014 03:15 AM (mx5oN)

54 Withdrawals from no longer getting all that fed cheese will be a beeyoch. Letting the BLM take 2/3's of your state land is a bigger beeyoch.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 08, 2014 03:16 AM (d0Dmj)

55

54: "Letting the BLM take 2/3's of your state land is a bigger beeyoch."

 

Anyone care to start a pool on how long it will take before we have our national divorce (willingly or not)?

I'm taking dibs on   #2030.

 

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at May 08, 2014 03:20 AM (OJn3e)

56 Fix for link at #41 for RINO Rogers


http://tinyurl.com/njklrf5

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:21 AM (T2V/1)

57 Will another failure as SecState tarnish Hilly's inevitability? No way. Dems have no standards.

Posted by: --- at May 08, 2014 03:21 AM (MMC8r)

58 Anyone care to start a pool on how long it will take before we have our national divorce (willingly or not)? I'm taking dibs on #2030. #2023. When it goes pear shaped, it'll go quick.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 08, 2014 03:22 AM (d0Dmj)

59 Is Amazon helping to defend that customer? They damned well should.

Posted by: KG at May 08, 2014 03:22 AM (IPz9m)

60 Cankles says there is no reason for the Benghazi investigation to continue. Hey scrunt, people in Hell want ice water too. When you and the rest of the people involved with lying to congress over the cover up and incompetence are in jail then perhaps the investigation can end.


http://tinyurl.com/kaablyp

Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2014 07:03 AM (T2V/1)



That fat-assed drunk ought to keep her simple Corona intake hole shut about that.  She's already on record as having lied to the parents of the victims about some scam video being the cause of their deaths and doing every fucking thing to prevent people from getting the truth about this.  And then that simpleton "What difference does it make" oafish blurt in the stupid Senate hearings where senile fools like McRINO were running around shitting themselves because they were so disorganized.  Get ready to face the music now that the "opposition party" has finally done the right thing for the victims.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 08, 2014 03:22 AM (qiiIB)

61 House Democrats who voted for Contempt of Congress for Lerner. I suppose they're in risk of getting booted out if they are seen as supporting too much of the corruption of the Obama Administration: Ron Barber (D-AZ) John Barrow (D-GA) Mike McIntyre (D-NC) Patrick Murphy (D-FL) Collin Peterson (D-MN) Nick Rahall (D-WV) Give the boys time and they'll be right back to supporting the regime.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 03:23 AM (XyM/Y)

62 56 Fix for link at #41 for RINO Rogers http://tinyurl.com/njklrf5 Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2014 07:21 AM (T2V/1) Thanks. And what a friggin' imbecile. Great move, Cumulus.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 03:23 AM (CMkNk)

63 59 Is Amazon helping to defend that customer? They damned well should.

Posted by: KG at May 08, 2014 07:22 AM (IPz9m)


I saw no indication that they are.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:24 AM (T2V/1)

64 61 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 07:23 AM (XyM/Y) Importantly, it makes the vote bi-partisan. So, there's that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 03:24 AM (CMkNk)

65

60: "Get ready to face the music..."

 

I envy your enthusiasm.

 

 

#2030 

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at May 08, 2014 03:25 AM (LJpVo)

66 "The Holder contempt case is notably still bogged down in court." Lawyers and bureaucrats. We need more lawyers, laws and regulations, and government officials.

Posted by: Minority Report at May 08, 2014 03:26 AM (8nhHB)

67 But yes, I think conservatives who live in those state should call and stress their approval of the votes of the Reps and ask, "Would it be o.k. if the IRS went after Democrats under a Republican President?"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 03:27 AM (XyM/Y)

68 Levin was on a RINO destruction mission last night after Rove and the rest of the GOPe were crowing about the death of the Tea Party.  The Tea Party is the only reason the Repukes have any power at all after Rove's 2006 disaster and all attempts to spin things otherwise are fucking lies.  How can Rove be on Fox as an "analyst" when he's got a monetary interest in the primaries.  Call him what he is, Ailes.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 08, 2014 03:28 AM (qiiIB)

69 Inherent contempt is the route to take, So what if the House is frozen for a couple of days or a week. Isn't it more important that the Executive branch be called to account for using the IRS to harass regular people and stifle political speech they hate? Screw the House! Go that route and put the bitch in jail. Let her out someday far in the future.

Posted by: MTF at May 08, 2014 03:28 AM (F58x4)

70 "Would it be o.k. if the IRS went after Democrats under a Republican President?" Half of me says, "Hell no!" & half of me says "Cry havoc & let slip the dogs of war!"

Posted by: rickb223 at May 08, 2014 03:30 AM (d0Dmj)

71 If the IRS was truly interested in going after so-called "non-profits" who are cheating the tax code by doing political activity there would be more liberal outfits being hit by them for audits.

NAACP
ACLU
Rainbow Coalition (JJ)
Obama's campaign org
AARP


I could go on forever.


Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:30 AM (T2V/1)

72 68 Posted by: Captain Hate at May 08, 2014 07:28 AM (qiiIB) Levin was right on target, as usual.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 03:30 AM (CMkNk)

73

68: "How can Rove be on Fox as an "analyst" when he's got a monetary interest in the primaries"

 

He's back on Fox? I thought he was canned after he threw a tantrum when the numbers for Mr. Electable came out on election night?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at May 08, 2014 03:31 AM (Kh+vp)

74 Anyone associated with terrorist organizations that receives preferential treatment from the Obama administration is obviously an informant working with the Obama administration. No other explanation is possible.

Posted by: Minority Report at May 08, 2014 03:33 AM (8nhHB)

75 Just a beautiful prayer from 1st Colossians: "May you be made strong with all the strength that comes from his glorious, power and may you be prepared to endure everything with patience, while joyfully giving thanks to the Father, who has enabled you to share in the inheritance in the saints in the light. He has rescued us from the power of darkness and transferred us into the Kingdom of his Beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." Colossians 1:11-14 and Colossians 1:26-27 ".....the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 03:33 AM (XyM/Y)

76 Karl Rove is the Marv Throneberry of politics, although Fox and other suckers on the right think he's Lou Gehrig. "Architect" my ass. I don't listen to Hannity any more but does he still have this pasty, bloated shmoo on his show?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 03:34 AM (CMkNk)

77 He's back on Fox? I thought he was canned after he threw a tantrum when the numbers for Mr. Electable came out on election night?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at May 08, 2014 07:31 AM (Kh+vp)



He's still on there with his white board like a fat dolt off the short bus.  He'll always be with us, like a terrible case of jock itch.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 08, 2014 03:35 AM (qiiIB)

78 Sigh. I had such hopes for Fox. Now all I can muster is a weak "At least it's better than the rest of them".

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at May 08, 2014 03:36 AM (LJpVo)

79 I don't even bother differentiating between any of the alphabet newsies any more, its all propaganda.

Posted by: Gmac - Pondering ... something at May 08, 2014 03:38 AM (4pjhs)

80 Interestingly (politically) a number of Democrats voted to hold her in contempt as well as for the select committee. Bi-partisan, yo. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 07:07 AM

Yes, it looks like Boner worked a sweet deal with Choom Boy to make it appear the House was Doing Something Meaningful without the need for any actual results (the ever-popular Issa Approach).

Lois Lerner is old news now. Her story has, for all intents and purposes, done a political disappearing act with this latest move.

Posted by: MrScribbler at May 08, 2014 03:38 AM (dDzOj)

81 78 Sigh. I had such hopes for Fox. Now all I can muster is a weak "At least it's better than the rest of them". Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at May 08, 2014 07:36 AM (LJpVo) Brett Baier is terrific. All that much of the rest can generate from me is a "meh."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 03:39 AM (CMkNk)

82 How can a nice looking ginger be such a screaming idiot?


As part of National Masturbation Month, Republicans like screaming the name of their fluffer, Ben Ghazi, when they orgasm


Because she is a Democrat running for congress in MS.  I predict she will not get very far in MS.


http://tinyurl.com/plhnlbc

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:39 AM (T2V/1)

83 Morning.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 08, 2014 03:40 AM (9EtFA)

84 80 Lois Lerner is old news now. Her story has, for all intents and purposes, done a political disappearing act with this latest move. Posted by: MrScribbler at May 08, 2014 07:38 AM (dDzOj) Part of me agrees. Another part says "we shall seeÂ…"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 03:41 AM (CMkNk)

85 People like Rove disgust me, because they (the GOP establishment) are idiotic to think that the very same empassioned voters who gave the party victory in 2010 are their political enemies. Their enemies are the Democrat-Collectivist-Fascists, otherwise known as the Democrats. But disgust is a long way from hate, and I don't hate Rove. I hate Pelosi and Reid. I do wish he'd shut the hell up though.

Posted by: MTF at May 08, 2014 03:41 AM (F58x4)

86 How to pray for other Christians-from the "Life Application Bible" and its discussion of the letter to the Colossians: 1. Be thankful for their faith and changed lives. (1:3) 2. Ask God to help them to know what he wants them to do. (1:9) 3. Ask God to give them deep spiritual understanding ((1:9) 4. Ask God to help them to live for him (1:10) 5. Ask God to give them more knowledge of himself (1:10) 6. Ask God to give them the strength for endurance, (1:11) 7. Ask God to fill them with joy, strength and thankfulness (1:11) And you can certainly pray this for people who are not Christians as well. :^) Please continue to keep in prayer brother Hrothgar's dear wife Barbara battling against cancer, Hrothgar and the rest of their family. Also, please lift up Mindful WW's family and friends who are facing difficult health challenges and other problems.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 03:43 AM (XyM/Y)

87 LOL, Toyota has had enough.  It is moving its US headquarters out of CA to TX.



http://tinyurl.com/ofyac9r

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:43 AM (T2V/1)

88 @4 Which means team stupid did this intentionally. They they don't really give a shit about it other than using it to scare up money otherwise they would have bypassed the DOJ and holder. Like most of what team stupid does, this is for show nothing more.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 08, 2014 03:44 AM (8tAEF)

89

85: "But disgust is a long way from hate, and I don't hate Rove."

 

You don't have to hate your enemy. But you do have to fight them.

 

Have Rove and company done anything to indicate that they are not your enemy?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at May 08, 2014 03:45 AM (v6cwT)

90 87 LOL, Toyota has had enough. It is moving its US headquarters out of CA to TX. http://tinyurl.com/ofyac9r Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2014 07:43 AM (T2V/1) Lawsuit by Moonbeam! That and a little bit of "Jewish lightning" from the UAW goons.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 03:45 AM (CMkNk)

91 Rove serves a useful purpose--provides timely reminders why I cannot support GOPE with money or votes.

Posted by: Tommy Vietor in teh Situation Room at May 08, 2014 03:45 AM (dN3Mf)

92 @ 40 What difference, at this point, does it make?!?1/1/1?!?!?!?1/1/??

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 08, 2014 03:46 AM (cCDc5)

93 Part of me agrees. Another part says "we shall seeÂ…" Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 08, 2014 07:41 AM

I can still sort-of remember the heady days when I thought the way you do. I, too, would occasionally get a little rumble of happy anticipation in my gut, a certainty that Our Betters in Washington could not be as corrupt, arrogant, self-centered and whore-like as they appeared to be.

Of course at that time I also believed Teh Conservative Media would back patriotic Americans, expose criminal behavior and treason, and publicize candidates who stood for something positive, too. I was sure intelligent citizens would shun the wheezings of lard-assed eunuchs....

Aaaaah, those were the days!

Posted by: MrScribbler at May 08, 2014 03:47 AM (dDzOj)

94 Thanks for the heads-up last night, SpongeBob, about the weather. Staying west and north of me this morning but I'm hoping for a little rain. I hope somebody is getting some somewhere.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 08, 2014 03:47 AM (9EtFA)

95 Interesting that 26 Dems voted for the resolution asking DOJ for a special counsel in IRS scandal. And yet only 6 Dems voted for contempt for Lerner. I wonder what this means. I suspect there are 20 Dems who want to have it both ways.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 08, 2014 03:47 AM (bxKJf)

96 85-I hate that blood sucking GOPE turd enough for both of us. Too bad he didn't do time instead of Libby.

Posted by: Tommy Vietor in teh Situation Room at May 08, 2014 03:48 AM (dN3Mf)

97 A beautiful simple prayer-"the JesusPrayer" from the Eastern Orthodox tradition but which can be used by any Christian. If you say it out loud it focuses your mind on the words on the prayer so that while you're saying it your mind isn't getting overloaded fussing with other things. A discussion by the professor of Philosophy and writer on faith Roman Catholic-Dr. Peter Kreeft: http://www.integratedcatholiclife.org/2011/01/kreeft-the-jesus-prayer/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 03:48 AM (XyM/Y)

98 Hillary's State Department seemed to lack a spine and moral character. But you knew that was how it was going to be. THE most important thing to Hillary as SoS were the PR opportunities for her Presidential run. Do these people ever do the right thing?

Posted by: Seems legit at May 08, 2014 03:49 AM (A98Xu)

99 Good editorial on Obama and the new rules in Academia in the WSJ. Daniel Henninger.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 08, 2014 03:49 AM (ZshNr)

100 63 -

I don't have a problem with the company asking him to remove his review or risk lawsuit.  He made two claims  he is either able  to back up, or  the company has a right to ask for him to pay damages.

He  said the reviews on Amazon were bogus.  Are they?  Probably  some of them are, and if  he can show it in court, it would  cause quite a ripple in the online review world.

He also said the router he bought was identical  to one sold by another company.  Is it?  If he can prove it, it will cause  quite a ripple in the online purchasing world. 

Or he could back down.  His choice. 

I don't have a problem with  the company  going after him if he's making up  shite about which he knows nothing. 

Posted by: BurtTC at May 08, 2014 03:49 AM (BeSEI)

101

93: "I was sure intelligent citizens would shun the wheezings of lard-assed eunuchs.... Aaaaah, those were the days!"

 

I think the majority in our country are in that stage of denial where they WANT to be deceived.

 

 

#2030

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at May 08, 2014 03:50 AM (v6cwT)

102 82 Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2014 07:39 AM (T2V/1) ================================ How could one woman embody so much stupid? Here's her issues list, from her web site: "Congress currently spends most of its time legislating women's bodies, hurting the poor, and enabling the capitalist vultures of the 1%." Really? That's what Congress has been doing? No ma'am, that's what the fucking President and the Progressives have been doing! All those Solyndra's out t here mean anything to you? Required loss of medical insurance? Increased dependence on soul-sucking federal sugar for the poor? Any of those things ring a bell? Look in the mirror if you want to know what the problem with America is, Ms. Causey.

Posted by: MTF at May 08, 2014 03:50 AM (F58x4)

103 And here's a tiny url for the article on the Jesus prayer to make things easier for those that want to pursue it: http://tinyurl.com/ncp2xem

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 03:50 AM (XyM/Y)

104 Which means team stupid did this intentionally.

They they don't really give a shit about it other than using it to scare up money otherwise they would have bypassed the DOJ and holder.

Like most of what team stupid does, this is for show nothing more.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 08, 2014 07:44 AM (8tAEF)



Exactly,  Boehner should have created a select committee to get to the bottom of this the same time he named the one for Benghazi.  Not to denigrate the importance of finding the truth about the circumstances of the deaths of the four brave men, but the IRS has morphed into a Stasi like entity that is a major menace to the country's founding principles and this was a perfect time to correct that.  There's still time for it to happen but I'm afraid the opportunity is being squandered by the GOPe.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 08, 2014 03:50 AM (qiiIB)

105 @27 The states should remove the guarantee of a public education from their state constitutions and move to a private education system with vouchers, that would enable them to ignore the Feds. If an illegal wants to attend school in state, they can either pay for it or go to their home consulate and ask them to pay the voucher or get a handout from the Feds.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 08, 2014 03:52 AM (8tAEF)

106 The entire website for the Witch-she really is one- from MS is eye rollingly bad including her lack of knowledge about the fish symbol in Christianity.I posted some of the highlights on one of the threads last night.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 03:52 AM (XyM/Y)

107 100  He also said the router he bought was identical to one sold by another company. Is it? If he can prove it, it will cause quite a ripple in the online purchasing world.

Or he could back down. His choice.

I don't have a problem with the company going after him if he's making up shite about which he knows nothing.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 08, 2014 07:49 AM (BeSEI)


I went and looked at the review (had been edited) but there were a number of comments.  The most telling comment was that the router was made by a Chinese factory and sold to a number of US companies under different labels.  So it being identical to other routers is most likely true. 



The only way he will be able to prove that the good reviews were astroturfed (which I understand has become common) is by getting Amazon's help.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:52 AM (T2V/1)

108 Republicans should repeat: Dems thought stalling would dissuade us from from finding the truth and determining who is responsible for__________. (Fill in, "those that died in Benghazi and their families" or "those groups targeted by the IRS.")

Posted by: Seems legit at May 08, 2014 03:53 AM (A98Xu)

109 Well folks, it is now above 60F so time for my morning walk. bbl

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 03:55 AM (T2V/1)

110

105: "The states should remove the guarantee of a public education from their state constitutions and move to a private education system with vouchers, that would enable them to ignore the Feds."

 

I agree in principle, but I don't think you need the vouchers.

 

If they cut my property taxes and sales taxes, I could easily afford a decent private school. Then the only thing education related that my state would have to pay for is a state standards board for certification.

 

This is one area where I do think  a state certification is required, lest we get the ITTs of the world running primary education. 

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at May 08, 2014 03:57 AM (OJn3e)

111 This never happens, We're drinking coffee in the parking lot and there's a loud whistling sound like a Howitzer shell and WHAM! Something slams into the field at the end of the parking lot and comes bouncing between a row of vehicles stopping about ten feet away from us.... It's a freaking Meteorite! About the size of a Walnut.

Posted by: Mr. Wizard at May 08, 2014 03:57 AM (L0my5)

112 12 And one high ranking EPA staffer does nothing but watch porn all day on government time and computers. Well, they may actually be a good thing. http://tinyurl.com/kjwngwk Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2014 06:57 AM (T2V/1) If government employees did nothing but watch porn on the taxpayers' dime, we would all be immeasurably better off.

Posted by: rickl at May 08, 2014 03:58 AM (sdi6R)

113 Did you grab it?

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 08, 2014 03:58 AM (ZshNr)

114 Morning morons.  At work but also put out a few tweets this morning.  In light of Hillary's sudden change of heart on Boko Haram and the need for government to intervene when a terrorist group attacks a nation's citizens (contrast Benghazi "What difference does it make" and call for Nigeria to do something for those girls), I propose starting a new hashtag trend on Twitter, #Hillarypocrisy

Posted by: Conservative Crank at May 08, 2014 03:58 AM (sQ0LB)

115 Lucky you, bet that sucker was hot. It's not every day you can say you saw something like that.

Posted by: Gmac - Pondering ... something at May 08, 2014 03:59 AM (4pjhs)

116 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 07:52 AM (XyM/Y) I don't get the fascination with calling themselves "witches". What is that? You don't think she really believes in magic do you? It's sort of a trivialized form of social self-distinction; she hasn't accomplished much in life so she declares herself a "witch" and adopts a wired smile and odd looking kitsch-y clothing, and says society is at fault for not liking her. Odd.

Posted by: MTF at May 08, 2014 03:59 AM (F58x4)

117 "He also said the router he bought was identical to one sold by another company. Is it? If he can prove it, it will cause quite a ripple in the online purchasing world. " I do this all the time. There are a lot of times I'll need a few hundred of some power tool for a customer in Russia and it doesn't make sense to go through the certification process for the U.S. brand (or wherever the tool comes from). I'll just have the manufacturer brand the product with our generic Russian product name and send them that way. It's not a big conspiracy, it's just business.

Posted by: jwest at May 08, 2014 03:59 AM (u2a4R)

118

107: "The only way he will be able to prove that the good reviews were astroturfed (which I understand has become common) is by getting Amazon's help."

 

And that will never happen. Because to do so would ruin Amazon's review system's credibility.

 

At least whatever credibility can be given to anonymous internet "reviews" by people who have never bought or used the product they are reviewing...

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at May 08, 2014 04:00 AM (LJpVo)

119 107 -

Amazon  would be  in an interesting position.  If he's right about the router, and the reviews,  their  reputation is on the line too.  I would hope at least the would  cooperate with any subpoena he sends their way asking for  sourcing on those reviews. 

The  thing  is though, if he's right, the  easier thing for him to do is just back down, and not  put  himself out there.  The  company  no doubt  would know this, and count on him not wanting  to put time and money into it. 

Still, I could understand why Amazon would basically not want to get in the middle of this.  They do fine for themselves  just being the conduit between people and products.  If they have to start backing up what  they sell,  and protecting themselves against frivolous reviews and/or frivolous lawsuits, it might be really really bad for business. 

Posted by: BurtTC at May 08, 2014 04:00 AM (BeSEI)

120 113 Yes, it looks like a a piece of melted Iron with crystals in it. Probably Diamonds

Posted by: Mr. Wizard at May 08, 2014 04:00 AM (L0my5)

121

Be advised that reviews of products on Amazon or not protected speech. Here we have a company engaged in lawfare to halt a negative review and some accusations about astroturf product reviews.


http://tinyurl.com/krgceub[/i]

 

I do a fair amount of reviewing on Amazon.  It's not unheard of for sellers to try to intimidate reviewers who leave negative  or critical   reviews.  It's happened to me a few times, though nothing on the scale of a threatened lawsuit.


The main thing here is that the seller is alleging libel, which is a tough thing to prove...the seller has to show that not only did the reviewer know what he was saying is false, but he wrote it maliciously in order to harm the seller.  That's going to be a hard sell.

 

As for Amazon helping to defend the guy, they're better off staying out of it.  I have my doubts that it will ever see a courtroom. 

Posted by: @JohnTant at May 08, 2014 04:00 AM (PFy0L)

122 @110 You would need vouchers because not every resident is a property holder. It would do many good things to move to a private education system. It would remove a lot of fed controls, it would make educational decisions truly local and it would provide a better education for kids.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 08, 2014 04:01 AM (8tAEF)

123 Morning, Glories. "How can Rove be on Fox as an "analyst" when he's got a monetary interest in the primaries." —Captain Hate Faux News. Car radio is my only direct contact with the LaughingStock Media. Night before last, driving home, flipped between the two "conservative talk radio" stations for the on-the-hour newscasts, one carrying Fox news, the other, which used to carry Fox, has ABC. Both broadcasts had the same list of stories in the same order. It was as if I was tuning to just one newscast, the reports followed such similar scripts. First, White House says OMG Global warmening is fer Realz. Second, Monica is famously unhappy about being the famous repository of Presidential manipulation. Third story, I forget what. Fox is just RINO at best, DIABLO more like. And, as I always say when we listen to the 2-minute propaganda broadcasts, "this is not news." Wish we could get the Vic-scripted news syndicated! Now, I'm off to feed the furry four-footed members of the house.

Posted by: mindful webworker at May 08, 2014 04:02 AM (GufPw)

124 Re: The Witch from MS I feel bad for her that she has to borrow money to even make the fee to run for Congress-She's obviously not backed by special interests- and she obviously genuinely wants to make a difference, but she has almost every left wing opinion down pat. She also should probably realize that in MS making jokes about National Masturbation Month in which Republicans are ejaculating over their "Boyfriend Ben Ghazi" is probably not the way to win friends and influence people. She also has a stand about supporting Veterans and others that conservatives could probably get on board with, but insulting the base of voters there either directly or indirectly won't work. She could have made her points without that, but she seems to relish her anger in claims that she's not running for Miss Congeniality. Gee; I could have guessed that. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:02 AM (XyM/Y)

125 111 It's a freaking Meteorite! About the size of a Walnut. Posted by: Mr. Wizard at May 08, 2014 07:57 AM (L0my5) Pics?

Posted by: rickl at May 08, 2014 04:02 AM (sdi6R)

126 Like a dummy, after skimming that Daily Beast article, I clicked on the 'wingnuts and common core' article. I don't understand how so-called adults can write and publish and comment agreeably on such garbage.

Posted by: Republic of Texas 2: Electric Boogaloo at May 08, 2014 04:04 AM (Gk2GE)

127 Property taxes being used to finance public schools are an 18th century concept when only property owners voted.  Many state courts have declared it an unconstitutional way of financing them yet the fatasses in the state legislatures, many of them under Repuke control, refuse to do a fucking thing about it.  It should be a user fee with some allowances made for those who can't afford it.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 08, 2014 04:04 AM (qiiIB)

128 That is a good question. Is it legal for a state to deport people out of their state that are in the country illegally? Especially if ICE refuses to come and get them? It seems like that could be allowable. Pick up an illegal, ICE won't get them. Take them to the furthest point away to the state border and then drop them off. Is it legal for a state to legally bar anyone from entering the state again? Basically, can a state exile someone?

Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at May 08, 2014 04:05 AM (crkWb)

129 Posted by: MTF at May 08, 2014 07:59 AM (F58x4) No, I think she IS a Witch-not the Samantha Stevens kind but the one who believes in the Goddess and pagan stuff that has been promulgated by Gardiner first name escapes me) which probably doesn't have a lot of basis in fact but is seen as a feminist alternative to Christianity and supposedly, egalitarian, nature loving, etc.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:06 AM (XyM/Y)

130 The Witch from MS is clearly a very angry person. I hope she gets the healing she needs.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:07 AM (XyM/Y)

131 I want bacon! And eggs! And, ... and ... I want my ISP to quit throttling my damn connection to content! Dirty rotten bastards!

Posted by: and irresolute at May 08, 2014 04:08 AM (gNTQS)

132 118 -

They already feature "verified Amazon purchase" statements on many of their  reviews, so I think they are at least somewhat concerned about the validity of what gets said. 

It would be interesting to see how they respond, if it ever gets to that point.  I could see it going either way, with them protecting anonymity, or coming out and letting all the astroturf reviews hang in the wind  for all to see.   

Posted by: BurtTC at May 08, 2014 04:08 AM (BeSEI)

133 Meh, pron is the least of our problems from an agency that places undue burdens on any vehicle owner in the guise of protecting the environment. Posted by: Gmac - Pondering ... something at May 08, 2014 06:59 AM (4pjhs) I would take it further and say that, as long as they are watching pron, they aren't screwing with us.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at May 08, 2014 04:09 AM (nj9sX)

134 Let it cool down before you touch it.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 08, 2014 04:09 AM (V70Uh)

135 Listening to that pile of shit, Cheeto Crist, yammering on like a fucking idiot when Jorge Ramos asked him some tough questions unlike our domestic MFM clowns, points out the type of Repuke trash that Rove brought to the party.  Btw, Crist was quoting Jeb Bush trashing the Republican party for being "hard right".

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 08, 2014 04:11 AM (qiiIB)

136 On this day in 1942 the aircraft carrier USS Lexington was sunk in the Battle of the Coral Sea. It was the first U.S. carrier lost in the war. She actually survived the Japanese air attack and was under way and recovering airplanes, but trapped gasoline fumes in a compartment detonated, starting a fire that could not be brought under control. The ship was abandoned in an orderly fashion without further loss of life, and the Navy learned valuable lessions about damage control as a result. Today that battle is better remembered in Australia than in the United States.

Posted by: rickl at May 08, 2014 04:12 AM (sdi6R)

137 A while back, while attempting to select a new laptop for a relative, I noticed the same Amazon reviews appearing on several different laptops within the same companies product line. Some with more RAM, some with better drives, lighted keyboards, etc., but just digits away in actual part-numbers. Maddening, at the very least. Stick their feet into the fire, boyz!

Posted by: and irresolute at May 08, 2014 04:12 AM (gNTQS)

138 Haha. ESPN is giving Michael Sam (the college football draft prospect who joined the exalted ranks of public homosexuals a few months back) the Arthur Ashe Courage Award before the Draft. Probably afraid he'll go undrafted and they'll miss their chance to attack and shame the loathsome "straight America" they hate so much.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 08, 2014 04:12 AM (ZshNr)

139 @127 But it all has to start with removing the provision of a public education from state constitutions. If the Feds want illegals educated they can build them special schools on fed land and pay for it themselves. I know we would be paying it indirectly but at least it would be spread out to every tax payer in the country instead of just the states taxpayers.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 08, 2014 04:12 AM (8tAEF)

140 134 Let it cool down before you touch it. Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 08, 2014 08:09 AM (V70Uh) Not without my fez on!

Posted by: and irresolute at May 08, 2014 04:13 AM (gNTQS)

141 You sure it's a meteorite? Chunks of hard-frozen sewage leakage come off airliners all the time. And they hit the ground like...an icy B.M. Give it a few hours.

So much for "diamonds."

Also, frozen nut off a wheel-well stowaway? He's hibernating. Will be surprised!

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 08, 2014 04:13 AM (xq1UY)

142 The only way he will be able to prove that the good reviews were astroturfed (which I understand has become common) is by getting Amazon's help. I have seen the "astroturf" claim before on Amazon. The only reviews I believe are from "Verified Purchaser". If those are astroturfed, then Amazon is in collusion.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 08, 2014 04:13 AM (Kud7z)

143 Today that battle is better remembered in Australia than in the United States. Coral Sea also moved the carrier to the front of the capital ship pecking order. The Japanese and American fleets never came into surface visual contact with one another.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 08, 2014 04:14 AM (659DL)

144 People who don't have a family tradition of being a Practitioner of Wicca (I think there probably are people who have been practicing that tradition for centuries) use questionable sources of people who were trying to make money off new-agey stuff. It's like modern Druids. They were pretty much wiped out so we don't really know what they believe so much or all of it is from whole cloth. My "favorite" was the man who insisted he could be a Druid Priest and an Episcopal minister and he felt this was supposedly completely compatible. Maybe this is given the nature of much of the Episcopal Church but it shouldn't be.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:14 AM (XyM/Y)

145 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 08:06 AM (XyM/Y)[/] I don't know anything about that stuff, but it sounds like a sort of harmless put-on. She sounds a little like she is an adolescent "trying on" different personality traits, looking for effect. Most people grow up at some point, but some don't and I suppose she hasn't.. What a twit.

Posted by: MTF at May 08, 2014 04:15 AM (F58x4)

146 If you get superpowers from the fragment of alien spaceship you just found, don't be all secretive about it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 08, 2014 04:16 AM (ZshNr)

147 Recent Syrian Deaths By Torture (Catholic Online) 5/7/2014 (13 hours ago) "Still today there are people who kill, who persecute in the name of God," Pope Francis said. And still today there are Christians who, like the Apostles, are "happy to be judged worthy of suffering dishonor for Christ's name." "I cried when I saw in the media" photographs allegedly showing "Christians crucified in a certain non-Christian country", he told those at the Mass, according to a report by Vatican Radio. == Christian or not, the agitating Islamist mercenary "rebel" al-Qaeda invaders (US/NATO funded/trained dogs that bite the hand feeding them) attacking and destabilizing Syria are torturing and killing all people in the most cruel fashions. Compared to al-Qaeda, Assad is a saint. Remember the US sponsored Egyptian "President" (of the Muslim Brotherhood) Morsi ( 30 June 2012 to 3 July 2013) who assumed Mubarak's office. That "more democratic" UN approved leader's first order of business was to have his political opponents crucified on trees outside his office window. So don't mentally fudge on whether or not victims are being crucified (tortured to death) by the Islamists -- religious beliefs aside, so-called "crimes" aside. Again, it falls under the watchwords "Because I Could" denigrate humanity to the lowest level of cruelty. ...Still, I just don't believe that the Koran stipulates crucifixion for thought crime. Rather, "believers" take whatever "to a whole 'nuthah level" of bestiality in the self righteous name of god. Voltaire once said that God created man, and man has been returning the favor ever since. Philip said that it would be better to worship yourself than a false god you've made for the occasion. --- 86 and 97, FenelonSpoke, speaking of Philip, I saw today's reading from Acts 8:26-40. ...sheesh, and what I was researching when I saw this news was St. Walburga, a West-Saxon born in Devonshire, England. She became Abbess of the double monastery at Heidenheim near Eichstadt where she remained superior of both men and women until her death in 779. I heard mention of her in relation to an ancient Germanic belief that the night before May 1, the Volk feared that the evil spirits and witches were out in force flying about the mountains. I suppose she managed to dismiss that superstition's prevalence.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 08, 2014 04:16 AM (gmrH5)

148 If you get superpowers from the fragment of alien spaceship you just found, don't be all secretive about it. Yes, but if it is something stupid like "can keep the rice from sticking" keep it to yourself.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 08, 2014 04:17 AM (659DL)

149 I got a meteorite, right here for ya'! That was a ball, it was outside and low! Is it still allowed that we yell, "kill the ump!", or is that hate-sprechen?

Posted by: and irresolute at May 08, 2014 04:18 AM (gNTQS)

150 so Africans kidnap other Africans with the intent of selling the other Africans into slavery.  history repeats itself.

Posted by: Case at May 08, 2014 04:18 AM (o00SF)

151 Fore!

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 08, 2014 04:19 AM (ZshNr)

152 Yes, I knew about St Walburga. :^) She was an interesting person.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:19 AM (XyM/Y)

153 @139 For the states covered by the Northwest Ordinance, this will be a federal-level constitutional issue. If you think "well-regulated Militia" is a can-of-worms concept, try on "education shall forever be encouraged" for size.

We don't pay enough attention to that document. It's a world of hurt.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 08, 2014 04:20 AM (xq1UY)

154 128 That is a good question. Is it legal for a state to deport people out of their state that are in the country illegally? Especially if ICE refuses to come and get them? It seems like that could be allowable. Pick up an illegal, ICE won't get them. Take them to the furthest point away to the state border and then drop them off.

Is it legal for a state to legally bar anyone from entering the state again? Basically, can a state exile someone?

Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at May 08, 2014 08:05 AM (crkWb)



No and  no according to the courts' ruling on the supremacy clause.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 04:20 AM (T2V/1)

155 Amazon had better get a handle on these claimed as trot urging reviews or it will be their death knell.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 08, 2014 04:20 AM (Kud7z)

156 so Africans kidnap other Africans with the intent of selling the other Africans into slavery. history repeats itself. I know it's a long list, but that Boko Haram dipshit needs a dronin'.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 08, 2014 04:20 AM (659DL)

157 From the Obama admin to the EPA to the DOJ and beyond, it's horrifying how lawless and corrupt they all are.  Completely ignoring laws, conjuring up new ones out of thin air with no pushback, protecting criminals.  We really are no longer a nation of laws.  What's a country to do at a point like this?   

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 08, 2014 04:20 AM (tsGZY)

158 " so Africans kidnap other Africans with the intent of selling the other Africans into slavery. history repeats itself." Rayciss!!!!

Posted by: LIV at May 08, 2014 04:21 AM (9EtFA)

159

No no no no

I don't smoke it no more

I'm tired of waking up on the floor.

Posted by: that 70s earwom at May 08, 2014 04:21 AM (3ZtZW)

160 so Africans kidnap other Africans with the intent of selling the other Africans into slavery. history repeats itself.

Posted by: Case at May 08, 2014 08:18 AM (o00SF)



And the moooooooooslims, then and now, are the ones doing it.  Does this get taught in our public extended daycare and indoctrination centers?

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 08, 2014 04:22 AM (qiiIB)

161 103And here's a tiny url for the article on the Jesus prayer to make things easier for those that want to pursue it:

http://tinyurl.com/ncp2xem

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 07:50 AM (XyM/Y)

Thank you for that!  Hope you don't mind if I post it to the twitter?

Posted by: traumakitty at May 08, 2014 04:23 AM (vbUVc)

162

144: "People who don't have a family tradition of being a Practitioner of Wicca...:

 

As far as any documentation goes, Wicca didn't exist prior to 1954.

 

Just like Kwanzaa. Another made up quasi religion.

 

The druids of old were a cold hearted and very bloody people. Wicca as it is formed, is nothing but the opening of the new age movement with the feel good mysticism.

 

A real pagan (druidic or otherwise) would cut your heart out and offer it to the gods. They would not be interested in your feelings or the "earth mother". 

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at May 08, 2014 04:24 AM (LJpVo)

163 "And the moooooooooslims, then and now, are the ones doing it. Does this get taught in our public extended daycare and indoctrination centers?" No. We do harangue the kiddies about WASP badness, though.

Posted by: Local ISD at May 08, 2014 04:24 AM (9EtFA)

164 Posted by: MTF at May 08, 2014 08:15 AM (F58x4) She quotes a book in which she states Christianity's symbols were all stolen from Paganism. She's obviously not thoroughly or deeply read in Christianity and yes, I imagine some of it is rebellion. Some people have been deeply hurt by the church or people in the church-but of course, my answer is (as biased as it is) is to look at Jesus. Also, there are plenty of Christian mystics who have a great appreciation for nature including St Francis, Julian of Norwich and others. You don't have to leave the tradition to find that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:24 AM (XyM/Y)

165 That HHS article is worthless. "Whaa Whaa Whaa, this department is big and hard to run." Oh shut up will you. It's more proof we need to shrink government, but especially HHS. When you consider the FDA, and CMS, you're looking at near total control of the economy in 1 freaking department. Stunning.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 08, 2014 04:24 AM (HDwDg)

166 Posted by: traumakitty at May 08, 2014 08:23 AM (vbUVc) Thx for your interest. Please feel free to share it. :^) It's a wonderful devotional resource.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:26 AM (XyM/Y)

167 "As far as any documentation goes, Wicca didn't exist prior to 1954" I do know someone who is sorta Wicca. They're also a Mason.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 08, 2014 04:26 AM (9EtFA)

168 As I recall the 1965-ish immigration discussions (you know, the one law that was going to solve all these problems), until about 1920 each state decided on its own foreign-immigration policy. California had a barn-burner in its "Gentlemen's Agreement."

Certainly some persons must have been deported under that system. Is it the 1965 legal structure that asserted federal supremacy, or does the claim predate that?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 08, 2014 04:27 AM (xq1UY)

169 Report says the evil "sequester" only resulted in 1 job loss among 23 federal agencies. I guess the military, which bore the brunt of the cuts, is not considered a federal agency. http://tinyurl.com/m7xt3qb Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2014 06:58 AM (T2V/1) Don't point that out to Drew, he'll tell you to shut up and stop whining. I told him that's no way to win people over to the conservative cause. He said to shut up and quite whining. I considered telling him that he can barely convince the Horde of anything, and we're a receptive audience, but decided I didn't want to be cruel .

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 08, 2014 04:28 AM (HDwDg)

170 "Some people have been deeply hurt by the church or people in the church" Whadya mean?

Posted by: The Spanish Inquisition at May 08, 2014 04:28 AM (9EtFA)

171

>>>People who don't have a family tradition of being a Practitioner of Wicca (I think there probably are people who have been practicing that tradition for centuries) use questionable sources of people who were trying to make money off new-agey stuff

 

I had argued with several of them about their apparent disconnect as a "fertility" oriented religion and support for abortion, saying that if anything a fertility cult would be even more pro-life than Christians were, and provided supporting evidence through, amongst other sources, the Hippocratic [pagan] Oath. They got all pissy, though.

Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at May 08, 2014 04:29 AM (3ZtZW)

172 On this day in 1942 the aircraft carrier USS Lexington was sunk in the Battle of the Coral Sea. It was the first U.S. carrier lost in the war. Today that battle is better remembered in Australia than in the United States. Posted by: rickl at May 08, 2014 08:12 AM (sdi6R) It's also the battle where the Yorktown took a bomb through the flight deck, returned to Pearl Harbor for repairs and was asea again less than a month later to fight at Midway where she was sunk.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at May 08, 2014 04:29 AM (nj9sX)

173

I have seen the "astroturf" claim before on Amazon.
The only reviews I believe are from "Verified Purchaser". If those are astroturfed, then Amazon is in collusion.

 

-------

 

There's more to it than that though...just because the Verified Purchase flag isn't set doesn't mean it's a fake or non-credible review.

 

For example, I sometimes get solicited by authors to read and review their books on Amazon (in fact I just wrote one this morning).  Usually the author sends me the ebook to my email address with a request to review it, and it's ALWAYS unsolicited.  If/when I write the review it won't have the Verified Purchase flag on it because I didn't buy it through Amazon.  But it's not a fake review...I read the book and I offered my actual opinion on it.

 

There's a lot of sausage making behind the reviews though, and I don't doubt for a second that sellers are in there trying to game the system.  I've seen it happen firsthand a number of times, actually.  But I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are a lot of moving parts and no clear window into how that sausage is made.  Bottom line - caveat emptor, I guess.

Posted by: @JohnTant at May 08, 2014 04:29 AM (eytER)

174 150 so Africans kidnap other Africans with the intent of selling the other Africans into slavery. -- Case (o00SF) Racists -- rather, "Because I Could" make a profit Opportunists without regard for humanity. Ethnicity or Tribalism aside, it boils down to "Because I Could," and who's going to stop me? Unless you think we all originated from African Lucy, Africa doesn't hold the monopoly key on "first evah" slavers. It happened throughout history in Mesopotamia, Asia Minor and the Far East, and on every continent. The point "is" WHEN DID YOU STOP? And slavery, PC "human trafficking" is still going on throughout the North and South Americas, thriving within the USA. I'd imagine that the political push for comprehensive immigration reform packaging, in reality given how it will play out, will prove to legalize human trafficking. Sure, it will be regulated. pfft

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 08, 2014 04:29 AM (gmrH5)

175 >>>Congress currently spends most of its time legislating women's bodies, hurting the poor, and enabling the capitalist vultures of the 1%."

This along with Reed's claim that the Koch brothers are THE major cause of climate change scares the hell out of me.

They are no longer quietly ginning up hate while keeping a "dignified" public face. They are now publicly focusing the hatred of their constituents.

I won't be surprised when they begin calling for violence. "It will be passive voice at first. Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?"

Posted by: typo dynamofo at May 08, 2014 04:30 AM (IVgIK)

176 Amazon had better get a handle on these claimed as trot urging reviews or it will be their death knell. F'n auto correct. Meant astroturfed reviews.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 08, 2014 04:30 AM (Kud7z)

177 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at May 08, 2014 04:31 AM (PYAXX)

178

>>>The Spanish Inquisition

 

They were just asking questions!

Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at May 08, 2014 04:31 AM (3ZtZW)

179 Sometimes you just gotta cry out loud and dance.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-1m140VL0Q



Have a great day, horde.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 08, 2014 04:31 AM (oMKp3)

180 A real pagan (druidic or otherwise) would cut your heart out and offer it to the gods. They would not be interested in your feelings or the "earth mother". Burn the witch!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 08, 2014 04:32 AM (Kud7z)

181 No, I don't think it's quite as simple as that. People have been practicing what came to be known as Wicca for a very long time, but yes, much of it was lost and so much of it (in America anyway) was made it. I do think yes, that there's a lot of silly sentimentalism about "earth religions." However, what little we know about the Druids come from the Romans and they had a bias, and what they have now is really out of whole cloth. These are sort of the same people who ignore the bloody sacrifices of the Aztecs,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:32 AM (XyM/Y)

182 Gotta go sit at the garage for annual vehicle inspection. It's next to a "Biscuitville" restaurant, which I really wanted to like but don't. The coffee sucks and the biscuits are too dense. Maybe they'll have muffins, bagels or something.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 08, 2014 04:33 AM (ZshNr)

183 "Whaa Whaa Whaa, this department is big and hard to run." So let's pick an undistinguished political hack from Kansas to run it.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 08, 2014 04:33 AM (659DL)

184 Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at May 08, 2014 08:29 AM (3ZtZW) That's a good point.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:33 AM (XyM/Y)

185 Not all pagans believed in human sacrifice. The Roman, Greeks, and the ancient Egyptians were pagans and they did not perform human sacrifice.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 04:34 AM (T2V/1)

186 Wait..... You guys are telling me that the Amazon reviews of the Steering Wheel Desk aren't real? Shit! http://tinyurl.com/pmle7ds

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 08, 2014 04:34 AM (Na2P1)

187 Captain Hate, I spent all day outside in garden. I will go to website that has Levin highlights. I had FNC on briefly yesterday morning & saw Rove & turned it off.

Posted by: Carol at May 08, 2014 04:34 AM (gjOCp)

188 These are sort of the same people who ignore the bloody sacrifices of the Aztecs, I'll have you know the New World was an idyllic paradise before Columbus. BRB, gotta keep the Chickasaws from killing everybody.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 08, 2014 04:35 AM (659DL)

189 On this day in 1942 the aircraft carrier USS Lexington was sunk in the Battle of the Coral Sea. It was the first U.S. carrier lost in the war. Today that battle is better remembered in Australia than in the United States. Posted by: rickl at May 08, 2014 08:12 AM (sdi6R) -- It's also the battle where the Yorktown took a bomb through the flight deck, returned to Pearl Harbor for repairs and was at sea again less than a month later to fight at Midway where she was sunk. Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at May 08, 2014 08:29 AM (nj9sX) -- "Battle of the Coral Sea: Lest We Forget" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj-bAJgwej4 Midway and Coral Sea Battles (1942 newsreels) https://archive.org/detail/MidwayAndCoralSeaBattles I know what we'll watch tonight.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 08, 2014 04:35 AM (gmrH5)

190 "They were just asking questions!" Yeah, at first. And you better know the right answers! The drawing and quartering will begin at noon.

Posted by: The Spanish Inquisition at May 08, 2014 04:36 AM (9EtFA)

191 No, we ought not too want to burn the witch in MS. We can hope that her candidacy comes to a craning burn, however, ;^) because anyone who thinks George Bush was trying to establish a theocracy was more than a little "out there." If he was trying to establish a theocracy he did a really poor job of it,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:36 AM (XyM/Y)

192 185 Not all pagans believed in human sacrifice. The Roman, Greeks, and the ancient Egyptians were pagans and they did not perform human sacrifice. The Greeks, according to the myths, sacrificed Agamemnon's daughter to get favorable winds for their invasion of Troy. It wasn't unheard of (though ultra rare) and the gods didn't abominate the practice.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 08, 2014 04:37 AM (gznAu)

193 Meant "crashing" burn.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:38 AM (XyM/Y)

194 186 Wait.....
You guys are telling me that the Amazon reviews of the Steering Wheel Desk aren't real?


Shit!

http://tinyurl.com/pmle7ds

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 08, 2014 08:34 AM (Na2P1)



LOL, another three wolf moon shirt product.  But these are obvious fake reviews which were made for humor. Not astroturf phoney reviews to make a product look good.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 04:38 AM (T2V/1)

195 "I'll have you know the New World was an idyllic paradise before Columbus. " Sure was. I had my pick of the maidens, we'd sacrifice a prole once a week, and, the roast goat wasn't half bad.

Posted by: Montezuma at May 08, 2014 04:38 AM (9EtFA)

196 The Mississippi Witch also bitched that outrage over Benghazi is false because we aren't outraged over all the deaths of women who don't have access to abortions in this country. I'm thinking to myself, who the helldoesn't have access to abortions and how many of those women are dying from it?? One of the more ridiculous statements I've seen lately and yet I'm sure there arewackos nodding their heads in agreement, which really scares the shit out of me.

Posted by: DangerGirl at May 08, 2014 04:39 AM (rSIYI)

197 Good morning. Talk about politicizing everything. Wife & I were walking on a sidewalk with our puppy, in Durango, CO a couple days ago. Encounter a couple, mid-60s. Polite conversation ensues. I mention a Mineral convention that is in town, stranger's wife says bitterly, "I suppose they will be talking about how great fracking is." and then out of the blue informs us that they are visiting Durango because their home near CO Spgs "has too many conservatives." We could have used Mr. Wizard's meteorite right about then.

Posted by: S. Muldoon at May 08, 2014 04:39 AM (MKpBT)

198 192  The Greeks, according to the myths, sacrificed Agamemnon's daughter to get favorable winds for their invasion of Troy.

It wasn't unheard of (though ultra rare) and the gods didn't abominate the practice.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 08, 2014 08:37 AM (gznAu)



I thought she was the one who ran away to Troy???

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 04:39 AM (T2V/1)

199 Real pagans, in the western tradition, followed codified superstitions - do action x or god y will rape/burn/murder you. There was little morality or spirituality involved, which is why an evangelical spiritual religion like Christianity was able to spread so easily, There wasn't much to give up except fear.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 08, 2014 04:40 AM (gznAu)

200 Wait..... You guys are telling me that the Amazon reviews of the Steering Wheel Desk aren't real? If it turns out reviews on Amazon ARE astroturfed, I'll go back to eBay. At least there, I KNOW what I buy is a crap shoot. At half of Amazon's price.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 08, 2014 04:40 AM (Kud7z)

201 And JRTR, in case anyone was wondering-I am absolutely opposed to a theocracy. They end badly. I believe Jesus when he said "My kingdom is not of this world." I think a change in people comes from the working of the Holy Spirit-not mandated by a Government.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:40 AM (XyM/Y)

202 185 Not all pagans believed in human sacrifice. The Roman, Greeks, and the ancient Egyptians were pagans and they did not perform human sacrifice.

Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2014 08:34 AM (T2V/1)

 

I doubt many of the neo pagans though are worshipping Horus, Zues, or Venus.

Posted by: buzzion at May 08, 2014 04:41 AM (LI48c)

203

185: "Not all pagans believed in human sacrifice. The Roman, Greeks, and the ancient Egyptians were pagans and they did not perform human sacrifice."

 

Ok, using that barometer, you are correct. Although I may quibble about the Egyptians as their servants were routinely buried with their masters.

 

My frame of reference for pagan centers around the Celts, Gauls, and Nords.

 

The melting pot of my peeps as it were.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at May 08, 2014 04:41 AM (f6ZLT)

204 The point "is" WHEN DID YOU STOP?

Yep, that's a big-un. I tire of being "colour-barred" by Brits, who technically outlawed the slave trade in 1804, but didn't give it any teeth until 1832, making them exactly 30 years more righteous than us. Long thirty, most will agree, but that's less than ten per cent of the history of US culture, and even less of theirs.

And your Frogs, Belgs and Krauts had systems more restrictive than serfdom in their colonies right up to the end. Any clothes-rending over all that? Anyone say on Dutch TV, "The trouble with us is that we..."?

Serfdom "ended" in Russia in 1864; Brazil had slavery until 1888? But mention slavery's horrors, and you'll hear about the American South all day.

Georgia didn't even have slavery until the Revolution, except in the part ruled by a tribe.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 08, 2014 04:41 AM (xq1UY)

205 I think a change in people comes from the working of the Holy Spirit-not mandated by a Government. Oh, governments can change people, but that's obviously not what you mean.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 08, 2014 04:42 AM (659DL)

206 I suppose the witch (I'm sorry; her real name escapes me at the moment) thinks that the government should have to pay for abortions.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:42 AM (XyM/Y)

207 181. These are sort of the same people who ignore the bloody sacrifices of the Aztecs Posted by: FenelonSpoke Yes, religions as they age do deteriorate as things naturally go on Earth. Looking at what is discovered from the earliest Aztec civilization, it's no wonder we shake our head at what lengths their descendants would go. But then, look at ourselves as Americans, and how we've perverted our own Constitutional Republic over time, and in not so long a time given comparative hundreds of years in devolution. "Inalienable Rights"

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 08, 2014 04:43 AM (gmrH5)

208 This is what the watermelons want. http://tinyurl.com/p3cmaj7 Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2014 06:59 AM (T2V/1) Important to note they want it for you, not for themselves.

Posted by: RWC at May 08, 2014 04:44 AM (fWAjv)

209 174 150 so Africans kidnap other Africans with the intent of selling the other Africans into slavery. -- Case (o00SF) There are societies throughout the world that are not ready for democracy as we know it, so that is why I promote the idea of convincing billionaires to stop wasting their money on useless foundations and use their fortunes to become Kings. Bill Gates could do more good with relatively small group of mercenaries taking over Nigeria and ruling it as a monarchy. Keep the country in the family for 100 years then slowly turn it over to an elected body. Other billionaires could take over similar countries and the competition between egos would benefit the world.

Posted by: jwest at May 08, 2014 04:44 AM (u2a4R)

210 Agamemnon was killed on his return from sacking Troy for sacrificing his daughter, by his wife if I recall correctly.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at May 08, 2014 04:44 AM (sQ0LB)

211 Funny how the Fed's always want absolute control over the states.  When they get it they do nothing- but they have control.

Posted by: Case at May 08, 2014 04:45 AM (o00SF)

212 Yes; Governments can change people. I was speaking of the transform of the Christian into the image of the son of God through the work of Christ within us, our hope of glory.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:46 AM (XyM/Y)

213 Sorry; "transformation"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:46 AM (XyM/Y)

214 Perfectly appropriate reading assignment for a 14 year old. “‘Relax,’ Matt murmured, and then he sank his teeth into her shoulder. He pinned her hands over her head and ground his hips against hers. She could feel his erection, hot against her stomach. ” … She couldn’t remember ever feeling so heavy, as if her heart were beating between her legs. She clawed at Matt’s back to bring him closer. “‘Yeah,’ he groaned, and her pushed her thighs apart. And then suddenly Matt was inside her, pumping so hard that she scooted backward on the carpet, burning the backs of her legs. … (H)e clamped his hand over her mouth and drove harder and harder until Josie felt him come. “Semen, sticky and hot, pooled on the carpet beneath her.”

Posted by: RWC at May 08, 2014 04:47 AM (fWAjv)

215 Hey, the Spanish Inquisition didn't draw'n'quarter. Their techniques were strictly proscribed; mostly it was a rough version of waterboarding. It was a big propaganda thing. At the time, they ran one of the gentler Inquisitions.

Now, the English Inquisition...

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 08, 2014 04:47 AM (xq1UY)

216

199: "There was little morality or spirituality involved, which is why an evangelical spiritual religion like Christianity was able to spread so easily, There wasn't much to give up except fear."

 

Yup, I believe you pretty much have it summed up there.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at May 08, 2014 04:48 AM (Kh+vp)

217 Asatru worships the Germanic Gods and Goddesses.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:48 AM (XyM/Y)

218 You have the first Lesbo Presidential candidate interviewed by another lesbo.. wheres the diversity in that?

Posted by: 7 Days in May at May 08, 2014 04:48 AM (5V+Di)

219

>>>However, what little we know about the Druids come from the Romans and they had a bias, and what they have now is really out of whole cloth.

 

That and well-preserved bog bodies. Read a couple of texts about those, Life and Death of a Druid Prince by Ross is pretty good. She provided fairly convincing arguments that part of why the Romans were so anti-Druid was that they regarded silver and gold as sacred metals not to be used as currency. Romans didn't care about sacrifices, even human, but screw with the basis for their society and they went all out. Like with the Christians and Jews who denied the Emperor could be divine.

Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at May 08, 2014 04:49 AM (3ZtZW)

220 Posted by: RWC at May 08, 2014 08:47 AM (fWAjv) Hooray, Common Core. :^( :^(

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:50 AM (XyM/Y)

221 Thanks, Bigby; Sounds like an interesting book.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:51 AM (XyM/Y)

222 So let's pick an undistinguished political hack from Kansas to run it. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 08, 2014 08:33 AM (659DL) It did always confuse me that the department responsible for the largest amount of federal spending (if my math is right) is usually run by nobodies.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 08, 2014 04:52 AM (HDwDg)

223 204. Stringer Davis Thanks. As for the Brits and French, to hell with their hypocrisy, self righteously denouncing slavery from Parliament, but still exercising rights of conquest against native populations throughout their empires. The Brits held out longest, their "right" as British to rule the world, to coerce entire populations into subjugation. And sadly, Winston Churchill illustrated how horrid that "deserve" streak played out against the people of India whom he imprisoned for peacefully protesting, and proceeded to purposely STARVE HIS PRISONERS to prove who's boss. No one is all good or all bad. That debate is one of the oldest on earth. Black v. White when really it's a matter of shade. And timing. But the point we are charge with is consciousness, and what we do with our light. Burying the "talent" to save it is not a valid option. Inalienable Rights Equality Under the Law makes all the difference

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 08, 2014 04:52 AM (gmrH5)

224 @10 - this doesn't surprise me.  The terrorists, like the Democrats, hate America so of course the Dems are going to let their heroes into the US.

Posted by: Null at May 08, 2014 04:53 AM (P7hip)

225 Hooray, Common Core. :^( :^( Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 08:50 AM (XyM/Y) Yep. Father was arrested for protesting it as well. http://tinyurl.com/mjszm8d

Posted by: RWC at May 08, 2014 04:54 AM (fWAjv)

226

Posted by: RWC at May 08, 2014 08:47 AM (fWAjv)

 

I remember freshman English--Romeo and Juliet was a good introduction to literature, but the Penthouse fan-fic rape fantasies  assigned by my teacher  were what really expanded my horizons...

 

/sarc

Posted by: Conservative Crank at May 08, 2014 04:54 AM (sQ0LB)

227 re the Witch from MS -- That's my district she's running in. First off, she's a Dem (whoa -- big surprise there) in an R+20 district. I'm guessing, as I haven't paid much attention to the Dem side, that she's the only dummy willing to run under the Dem label so is unopposed in the Dem primary.
 
The real battle for the seat is in the R primary. Steve Palazzo (inc) is up against Gene Taylor, who used to have the seat as a Blue Dog Dem for 9 terms until Palazzo put him streetside in 2010.
 
Good ole Gene has converted to a Republican for this run, claiming ala Reagan that 'the Dems left me'. Not mentioned by him is his 86% voting record with Nancy Pelosi while in office all those years.
 
Palazzo has big money edge in the race, but Gene still has a lot of supporters. I haven't seen any polls, but I'd have to give the edge to Palazzo (and my vote) even though he's shown himself to be mostly part of the GOPe.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 08, 2014 04:54 AM (wNF3N)

228 219. Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at May 08, 2014 08:49 AM (3ZtZW) That's interesting. Live and learn.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 08, 2014 04:54 AM (gmrH5)

229 They taught civics in the schools, and first thing you knew everybody was a Commie.

Driver training? Created two generations of the worst drivers in the world.

Who the hell would want sex taught in a government school? No wonder nobody knows what the hell hole to put it in.

Kids should get their 14-year-old porno in the street, like they always did. Notice, that book has "bullying" right on the cover? Sure tell of ghey propaganda.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 08, 2014 04:54 AM (xq1UY)

230 It looks like you can't banish someone from a state although the case law is somewhat vague. But it does look like banning someone from a county or city is permissible with a time limit. I wonder if that would be enough?

Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at May 08, 2014 04:54 AM (crkWb)

231 RWC at May 08, 2014 08:47 AM Hey, I'm hardly a prude, and AoSHQ is, well, AoSHQ. But, I'd consider that passage inappropriate even for here! Maybe the ONT....

Posted by: mindful webworker at May 08, 2014 04:54 AM (EYfcP)

232 The Brits held out longest, their "right" as British to rule the world, to coerce entire populations into subjugation. A certain world leader who resembles Dobby the Elf would like a word.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 08, 2014 04:55 AM (659DL)

233 111 This never happens, We're drinking coffee in the parking lot and there's a loud whistling sound like a Howitzer shell and WHAM! Something slams into the field at the end of the parking lot and comes bouncing between a row of vehicles stopping about ten feet away from us.... It's a freaking Meteorite! About the size of a Walnut. Posted by: Mr. Wizard at May 08, 2014 07:57 AM (L0my5) Don't, Don't, Don't, Don't Don't put water on it!! No, No No No No! Don't do it!

Posted by: Zombie Jordy Verrill at May 08, 2014 04:55 AM (Fp7JI)

234 Thx, GnuBreed. It's good to get impure from a person that lives there because the only I knew was what I had read about the Witch.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 04:58 AM (XyM/Y)

235

>>>There was little morality or spirituality involved

 

Wrong.

Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at May 08, 2014 04:59 AM (3ZtZW)

236 Arriving back home after a short walk this morning, I had to scrape some GOP off the bottom of my shoe.

Posted by: BEL at May 08, 2014 04:59 AM (thLL8)

237 Le Dump!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 08, 2014 04:59 AM (Na2P1)

238 "The Brits held out longest, their "right" as British to rule the world, to coerce entire populations into subjugation. " I'm trying to think of a country that is worse off now after being ruled by the British than having not been. None come to mind.

Posted by: jwest at May 08, 2014 04:59 AM (u2a4R)

239 OK, did a little research refresher training.  Agamemnon was a king in ancient Mycenae according to myth.  That was around 1600 BC.  I am would not put much stock in stories about him killing his daughter to eliminate bad winds, plagues, and other stuff.


Hell, we can't get stories straight here from shit that happened only a few days ago.  Why should be believe stories about shit that supposedly happened almost 4000 years ago?

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 05:01 AM (T2V/1)

240 Posted by: RWC at May 08, 2014 08:47 AM (fWAjv) Reading assignment for a 14 year old? WTF?

Posted by: Insomniac at May 08, 2014 05:01 AM (DrWcr)

241 Whoops; SO sorry. Imput not "impure" Darn Typos.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 08, 2014 05:02 AM (XyM/Y)

242 Hey, I'm hardly a prude, and AoSHQ is, well, AoSHQ. But, I'd consider that passage inappropriate even for here! Maybe the ONT.... Posted by: mindful webworker at May 08, 2014 08:54 AM (EYfcP) I did have reservations about posting it.

Posted by: RWC at May 08, 2014 05:03 AM (fWAjv)

243 234 >> Thx, GnuBreed. It's good to get impure from a person that lives there...
 
With me, you always get impure. NP, Fenelon

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 08, 2014 05:03 AM (wNF3N)

244 Posted by: RWC at May 08, 2014 09:03 AM (fWAjv) What is that from, or do I want to know what part of common core it came from

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 08, 2014 05:10 AM (HDwDg)

245 " Arriving back home after a short walk this morning, I had to scrape some GOP off the bottom of my shoe." Is that what that smell is?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 08, 2014 05:12 AM (9EtFA)

246 What is that from, or do I want to know what part of common core it came from Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at May 08, 2014 09:10 AM (HDwDg) That’s an excerpt from “Nineteen Minutes,” a novel that 14-year-old English students have been assigned to read at the local high school. http://tinyurl.com/q3e8lpy

Posted by: RWC at May 08, 2014 05:13 AM (fWAjv)

247 210 Conservative Crank Constantine boiled his wife and also murdered his son. So no surprise the Roman Emperor's "Christian" followers weren't satisfied to ban and banish their earlier Christian believers in order to enforce their own decisions for orthodoxy. Death to the infidel was practiced by authoritarian religions all along, thousands of years B.C. and A.D. By their fruits will ye know them. For example, the Christian gnostics were obliterated for exercising their freedom to worship God and Jesus as they'd been converted in faith and believed in the divine spark within each person, to Love God above all and to Love One Another as Jesus commanded. And prior to the mid-20th-Century recovery of the (remaining) ancient Nag Hammadi Library of Gnostic Christian scriptures (like the Dead Sea Scrolls recovery), aside from the Medieval Roman Pope crusades to annihilate the French Gnostics and even the Knights Templar, the only surviving records from ancient Christianity were those made by the victors, Constantine's chosen boys whose tactics Alinsky repopularized. And on victors writing history, this past month I was disappointed to learn that even Josephus the Jewish Historian was a Pharisee of dubious character, "lone survivor" after telling his community of Jews the ONLY honorable option was to kill themselves, literal suicide, rather than relent to the Romans. Death for thee but not for me, clever bugger.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 08, 2014 05:14 AM (gmrH5)

248 18 Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen made it clear she believes the economy still requires a strong dose of stimulus five years after the recession ended because unemployment and inflation are well short of the Fed's goals. ___________ The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists.

Posted by: Ernest Hemingway at May 08, 2014 05:15 AM (bDQL5)

249 245. Posted by: Ricardo Kill heh/chagrin

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 08, 2014 05:17 AM (gmrH5)

250 I'm trying to think of a country that is worse off now after being ruled by the British than having not been. None come to mind. Posted by: jwest at May 08, 2014 08:59 AM (u2a4R) Try Ireland

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 08, 2014 05:19 AM (gmrH5)

251 ^^^ yes, I realize replying to an early Vic news comment this late in a thread is rather bad form, but I have a killer headache....so please accept my apologies.

Posted by: Ernest Hemingway at May 08, 2014 05:20 AM (6ZcEJ)

252 136 On this day in 1942 the aircraft carrier USS Lexington was sunk in the Battle of the Coral Sea. It was the first U.S. carrier lost in the war. She actually survived the Japanese air attack and was under way and recovering airplanes, but trapped gasoline fumes in a compartment detonated, starting a fire that could not be brought under control. The ship was abandoned in an orderly fashion without further loss of life, and the Navy learned valuable lessions about damage control as a result. Today that battle is better remembered in Australia than in the United States. Posted by: rickl at May 08, 2014 08:12 AM (sdi6R) Guess which famous AoShq commenter's dad served on the USS Lexington...

Posted by: Pug of Brunei at May 08, 2014 05:21 AM (3U9Bd)

253 "Pray like everything depends on God, Work like everything depends on you." "God helps those who help themselves." "Don't expect God to fix all your material problems." These statements reflect the religion in which I was raised - not the teachings of a church, but the religion imbibed from the attitudes of the people around me. There was no expectation of providential intervention. Prayer helps open our minds to better ways, but is not a means to change the will of the Almighty. Anything "miraculous" consisted of an individual becoming reformed, not sudden healing or mass feedings with a single picnic basket. It wasn't that miracles were ruled out. They just happened to someone else, somewhere and somewhen else, like seeing a meteor land, not to us. Praying for the miraculous divine intervention was "wishing in one hand...." Acceptance, endurance, strength to face the assaults of another day, for those one might ask, but not the cessation of the assaults. That was just, life. I've had many experiences of the extraordinary fortuitous coincidence, and I continue to cultivate consciousness of the paternal watchcare of the Creators, but there's always a "reasonable explanation," the seemingly miraculous just showing up as part of the flow of events, not as evidently supernatural. So, not really different than the bad things that befall us, which we might attribute to diabolical influences. A reasonable person can't really deduce anything more than that stuff happens, and we can't know the complex web of antecedant causes, but we do have to deal with the consequences, and that gets back to acceptance, endurance.... Also, better days to come. I was raised to think prayers for that were okay.

Posted by: mindful webworker at May 08, 2014 05:22 AM (B2fm1)

254 Mr. Wizard A diamond studded iron walnut. pennies from heaven

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 08, 2014 05:23 AM (gmrH5)

255 253 mindful webworker +

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 08, 2014 05:24 AM (gmrH5)

256 The asshole in chief arrived at LAX at 5 pm yesterday, resulting in huge traffic jams. A 20 min. commute ended up being a 2 1/5 hour commute.

Posted by: Pug of Brunei at May 08, 2014 05:27 AM (3U9Bd)

257 252 Guess which famous AoShq commenter's dad served on the USS Lexington... Posted by: Pug of Brunei at May 08, 2014 09:21 AM (3U9Bd) Yours, too?

Posted by: rickl at May 08, 2014 05:35 AM (zoehZ)

258 After all that 'polishing', it's way past time to dump that turd of a law: Obamacare.

Posted by: My 2cents. at May 08, 2014 05:38 AM (vHlQ5)

259 Try Ireland Posted by: panzernashorn at May 08, 2014 09:19 AM (gmrH5) Without the British, I cringe to think how the Irish would be walking around starved and naked, except for a hat fashioned from potatoes.

Posted by: jwest at May 08, 2014 05:40 AM (u2a4R)

260 ~~National Journal reports on the "conga line of problems" at HHS.~~ Wait...what? Not the IRS, State Dept, EPA, or Dept Of Ed? What is wrong with journalists? This administration has strewn Pulitzer 'diamonds' all over the lawn for them !! F-ing bend over and pick the things up, ya morons!

Posted by: My 2cents. at May 08, 2014 05:41 AM (vHlQ5)

261 257 252 Guess which famous AoShq commenter's dad served on the USS Lexington... Posted by: Pug of Brunei at May 08, 2014 09:21 AM (3U9Bd) Yours, too? Posted by: rickl at May 08, 2014 09:35 AM (zoehZ) Nope. Spurwing Plover.

Posted by: Pug of Brunei at May 08, 2014 05:41 AM (3U9Bd)

262 Posted by: Chique at May 08, 2014 09:12 AM (r+7wo) I'm curious as to how you believe the majority of people in Nigeria would react to the following scenario: After a confusing night of violence, the country wakes up to a well planned series of announcements that Bill and Melinda Gates have successfully backed a coup d' etat and have installed themselves as absolute monarchs in Nigeria. The PR campaign focuses on how the Gates' will focus on eliminating violence, corruption and improving the lives of every Nigerian. It would say that only someone of great wealth can accomplish the goals without being corrupted as past leaders have been. Of course, they would promise all sorts of free shit, along with lopping off the heads of the country's most notorious villians, just to start things off. Would people be dancing in the streets?

Posted by: jwest at May 08, 2014 05:42 AM (u2a4R)

263 239 Hell, we can't get stories straight here from shit that happened only a few days ago. Why should be believe stories about shit that supposedly happened almost 4000 years ago? Posted by: Vic at May 08, 2014 09:01 AM (T2V/1) ~~~ Hence all the fodder for alien tales and conspiracy theories.

Posted by: My 2cents. at May 08, 2014 05:46 AM (vHlQ5)

264 @262 Well, it worked here...

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 08, 2014 06:00 AM (xq1UY)

265 Speaking of the sea change of opinion by Dems re the Boko Harum, did you notice the Black Caucus ladies yesterday basically begging for military action and killing by drone for the BH leader?

Warmongers!! Criminals!!

Posted by: PJ at May 08, 2014 07:01 AM (ZWaLo)

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