February 20, 2014

Truce Broken in Kiev; "Special Police" Fire on Unarmed Protesters
— Ace

Dramatic video below the fold of protesters carrying riot shields, being fired upon by government troops.

Hot Air digests the end of the very brief truce. It is now estimated that somewhere between 25 and 50 people have been killed; most of these (if not all) would be protesters.

Snipers firing upon protesters:


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1 Shits gotten real.

Posted by: steevy at February 20, 2014 07:23 AM (zqvg6)

2 It's clear that the truce was broken by the "peaceful protesters" (as Obama called them).
 

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at February 20, 2014 07:23 AM (DPMu1)

3 And the truce is broken....in the ghettooooooo.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 20, 2014 07:23 AM (LJpVo)

4 Special Police" Fire on Unarmed Protesters Isn't this, in many ways, also the story of Barack Obama?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 20, 2014 07:24 AM (7ObY1)

5 Hot Air digests the end of the very brief truce Ink's dry. Riot!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 20, 2014 07:25 AM (XCfYI)

6 Az... it just never gets old, does it?

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 07:25 AM (x3YFz)

7 Firing on unarmed protesters.... I have a feeling this one is going to last more than 4 hours

Posted by: Bill Ayers at February 20, 2014 07:25 AM (Q6pxP)

8

4: "Isn't this, in many ways, also the story of Barack Obama?"

 

You may be more prescient than you realize.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 20, 2014 07:25 AM (f6ZLT)

9 You may be more prescient than you realize. I employ les memes with much aforethought.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 20, 2014 07:26 AM (7ObY1)

10 A broken truce, in many ways, is the story of Obama

Posted by: David Axlerod at February 20, 2014 07:26 AM (Q6pxP)

11

6: "Az... it just never gets old, does it?"

 

It's probably an OD of Monster and 5 hour energy shots.

 

My humor discriminator is intermittent.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 20, 2014 07:26 AM (OJn3e)

12 This is bad vs. worse. As president I would drink a nice tall chilled glass of STFU, but Obama? Nope... Dude never misses an opportunity to say something stupid.

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 07:27 AM (x3YFz)

13 THIS is why the Founders gave us a 2nd Amendment.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:27 AM (olDqf)

14 I don't imagine that fucking particle-board shield is going to do much good outside of some Cosplay in the park...... WTF....

Posted by: Putin is a Dick at February 20, 2014 07:27 AM (jjaLl)

15 It is starting to look very _Mad Max_ in some of the photos from Kyiv.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/mw258ta

Posted by: torquewrench at February 20, 2014 07:27 AM (gqT4g)

16 Obama and ValJar must white-hot hatey-hate that people in multiple countries won't listen to Their Betters.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 20, 2014 07:27 AM (B/VB5)

17 >>"Isn't this, in many ways, also the story of Barack Obama?"

And in totes unrelated news, DHS contracts to purchase 704 million million rounds of ammo over the next 4 years.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 20, 2014 07:27 AM (POpqt)

18 If the protestors in other cities were able to raid the armories of the police stations they broke into then this is going to get real bloody real quick, and Putin will have to intervene to protect ethnic Russians. With a heavy heart, of course.

Posted by: joncelli at February 20, 2014 07:28 AM (RD7QR)

19 This is why our 2nd amendment rights must never be attenuated or trampeled.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 20, 2014 07:28 AM (le5Zp)

20 A couple of cops were killed a couple of days ago.  The Krautish FAZ says 60+ protesters killed yesterday, each with one shot.  "No one has two or three wounds".

Posted by: The guy who claims he never socks at February 20, 2014 07:28 AM (A0sHn)

21 My humor discriminator is intermittent. Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 20, 2014 11:26 AM (OJn3e) Oh, I'm with ya... every time I see it I laugh.

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 07:28 AM (x3YFz)

22 between 25 and 50 people have been killed They acted stupidly.

Posted by: Barky McFuckstick at February 20, 2014 07:29 AM (FcR7P)

23

21: "every time I see it I laugh."

 

Perhaps it will now join the toaster on the abused meme shelf.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 20, 2014 07:29 AM (Kh+vp)

24 Obama and ValJar must white-hot hatey-hate that people in multiple countries won't listen to Their Betters.

Racism, straight up.

Posted by: HR at February 20, 2014 07:29 AM (ZKzrr)

25 7.62x39 > wooden board


Posted by: EC at February 20, 2014 07:29 AM (GQ8sn)

26 A couple of cops were killed a couple of days ago. The Krautish FAZ says 60+ protesters killed yesterday, each with one shot. "No one has two or three wounds". Spetznaz?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 20, 2014 07:29 AM (XCfYI)

27
Govt snipers shooting at protestors.  Sick bastards.

We just get the IRS, EPA and the govt alphabet after us.

Because ya know..... it can't happen here.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 20, 2014 07:30 AM (n0DEs)

28 This is why our 2nd amendment rights must never be attenuated or trampled. Agree to disagree, shall we?

Posted by: Eric Holder at February 20, 2014 07:30 AM (FcR7P)

29 20 A couple of cops were killed a couple of days ago. The Krautish FAZ says 60+ protesters killed yesterday, each with one shot. "No one has two or three wounds".

Posted by: The guy who claims he never socks at February 20, 2014 11:28 AM (A0sHn)


So snipers. Probably targeting leaders.

Posted by: joncelli at February 20, 2014 07:30 AM (RD7QR)

30 You can pretty much add "...in the ghetooooo" to the end of every sentence. Life is a bitch, and whatever makes you laugh is good, ....in the ghetooooo.

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 07:30 AM (x3YFz)

31 You'd better not say anything about a red line again you stupid idiot

Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at February 20, 2014 07:30 AM (LI48c)

32 Can you train honey badgers? Just asking for a friend.

Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2014 07:31 AM (FcR7P)

33

"CNN crews at the scene reported that as security forces were moving away from the area, a group of protesters pursued them throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails.

"The opposition used the negotiation period to buy time, to mobilize and get weapons to protesters," the statement from the President's office said."

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at February 20, 2014 07:31 AM (DPMu1)

34 20 Posted by: The guy who claims he never socks at February 20, 2014 11:28 AM (A0sHn) Totally OT, but I dig your artwork.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:31 AM (olDqf)

35 How long till this is seen on our streets?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 20, 2014 07:31 AM (kXoT0)

36 In the ghettoooooooooo

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 20, 2014 07:31 AM (L2I78)

37 That top video is disturbing.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 20, 2014 07:31 AM (hn70M)

38 Govt snipers shooting at protestors. Sick bastards. We just get the IRS, EPA and the govt alphabet after us. Because ya know..... it can't happen here. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 20, 2014 11:30 AM (n0DEs) The protestors haven't yet figured out asymmetrical warfare. They will.

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 07:32 AM (x3YFz)

39 Why don't we get posts on important stuff going on? Ceelo Green is leaving The Voice. Not. One. Word.

Posted by: blaster at February 20, 2014 07:32 AM (4+AaH)

40 Mentioning "In the Ghetto" is micro-aggressive rayciss, no?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 20, 2014 07:32 AM (7ObY1)

41 Meanwhile, somewhere off the eastern seaboard of the USA, the Iranian Navy is creeping ever closer. AmericanThinker.com has a chilling assessment that the muzzies already have a nuke and are ready to launch an EMP on us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:32 AM (olDqf)

42

That video is merely a trailer for "Burning Times - Amerika".

Coming soon to a country near you.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at February 20, 2014 07:33 AM (znT2j)

43

Glimpse into your future

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 20, 2014 07:33 AM (AskuI)

44 Truce Broken in Kiev; "Special Police" Fire on Unarmed Protesters



Well, they should have armed themselves then.



Posted by: Pooty Poot at February 20, 2014 07:33 AM (GQ8sn)

45 Militarized police in black wearing masks shooting at innocent people. Fortunately that can't happen here. Because constitution or something.

Posted by: Beagle at February 20, 2014 07:33 AM (sOtz/)

46 30 Can you train honey badgers? Just asking for a friend. Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2014 11:31 AM (FcR7P) I'd bet you can. Imagine owning the business that sells trained attack honey badgers. WINNING!

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 07:33 AM (x3YFz)

47 It's clear that the truce was broken by the "peaceful protesters" By standing in the way of police gunfire?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2014 07:34 AM (SY2Kh)

48
A couple of cops were killed a couple of days ago. The Krautish FAZ says
60+ protesters killed yesterday, each with one shot. "No one has two or
three wounds".

Posted by: The guy who claims he never socks at February 20, 2014 11:28 AM (A0sHn)

Seven cops were killed on Wednesday, some of whom were burned to death when "peaceful protesters" set their vehicles on fire and trapped them inside.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at February 20, 2014 07:34 AM (DPMu1)

49 Sounds like the protestors could use a few of me.

Posted by: Honey Badger at February 20, 2014 07:34 AM (S+el1)

50 Yeah, particle board is not really effective against bullets. Especially Chinese made particle board.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:34 AM (olDqf)

51 Imagine being the burglar that decides to rob the place that trains attack honey badgers.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 20, 2014 07:34 AM (7ObY1)

52 Coming soon to a neighborhood near you?

Posted by: Dang at February 20, 2014 07:35 AM (MNq6o)

53 48 You'd better not say anything about a red line "in the ghetto". Posted by: rickb223 at February 20, 2014 11:34 AM (XCfYI) I'll see your red line and raise you one Community Reinvestment Act...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:35 AM (olDqf)

54 49 Imagine being the burglar that decides to rob the place that trains attack honey badgers. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 20, 2014 11:34 AM (7ObY1) Ever see the movie "Willard?"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:36 AM (olDqf)

55 48 Yeah, particle board is not really effective against bullets. Especially Chinese made particle board. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 11:34 AM (olDqf) Using particle board to defend yourself from 7.62x39 is just natural selection doing what it does best.

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 07:36 AM (x3YFz)

56 50 Coming soon to a neighborhood near you? Posted by: Dang at February 20, 2014 11:35 AM (MNq6o) That could be footage of the 1977 NYC Blackout. Is blackout rayciss?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:36 AM (olDqf)

57 If you can film a sniper,  you can probably shoot a sniper.  That is why we have the second amendment and I pity the countries that don't.

Posted by: Dang at February 20, 2014 07:37 AM (MNq6o)

58 Obama and ValJar must white-hot hatey-hate that people in multiple countries won't listen to Their Betters.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 20, 2014 11:27 AM (B/VB5)



Ear Leader and the Ferret are surely taking notes.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 20, 2014 07:37 AM (2RiXU)

59 Who cares about what is happening in the Ukraine?

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 07:37 AM (Eimoe)

60

Cossacks acting like cossacks.

 

Can't say I'm surprised.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - KaBoom- The Cereal of Settling Now at the Outrage Outlet at February 20, 2014 07:37 AM (hLRSq)

61 Red line the CRA with an ARM on the HELOC

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 20, 2014 07:37 AM (QDvfw)

62 What are the odds of Georgians smuggling in a shitload of AK's and pistols across the border?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:37 AM (olDqf)

63 Seven cops were killed on Wednesday, some of whom were burned to death when "peaceful protesters" set their vehicles on fire and trapped them inside. Not to excuse such behavior, but tell me that if in their shoes you wouldn't be looking for some payback after watching your unarmed compatriots being gunned down.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2014 07:38 AM (SY2Kh)

64 Snipers are quicker and cheaper than prosecutions.   Just trying to    help out the taxpayers.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 20, 2014 07:38 AM (AskuI)

65 Jon must be a cop. He's got the whole reflexive "thin blue line" defend all police thing going on . . .

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at February 20, 2014 07:38 AM (/8qpd)

66 @ 40 What are these burning times you talk about?

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 07:38 AM (Eimoe)

67 Dear Uncle Honey Badger: I love my job but there is this guy who keeps calling me "Chief". At first I thought he was being friendly but lately his tone seems a bit, I don't know, maybe ironic is the word. What can I do? -Uncertain In Illinois Dear Uncertain: I once had a similar problem with a cheetah I knew professionally. He ran very close to me, kicking up some dust that made my eyes water. He then claimed that he hadn't seen me and that it was an accident. I ripped off his balls, then clawed open his belly and dragged him by his entrails several miles until he stopped crying. We haven't had any further "accidents" since.

Posted by: Uncle Honey Badger at February 20, 2014 07:38 AM (2oU2+)

68 Look at the bullet hole in the flak jacket in this Newsweek article: http://tinyurl.com/n7jha8o

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 20, 2014 07:39 AM (SUKHu)

69 62 Snipers are quicker and cheaper than prosecutions. Just trying to help out the taxpayers. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 20, 2014 11:38 AM (AskuI) Give me a regiment of Paul Kersey's and I'll take over that country!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:39 AM (olDqf)

70 It's clear that the truce was broken by the "peaceful protesters"

By standing in the way of police gunfire?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2014 11:34 AM (SY2Kh)

Read the media reports, from CNN, NYT and elsewhere.  I posted one upthread.  The accounts are consistent: Cops were standing down and pulling back to repect the truce, when a large group of protestors charged them throwing molotov cocktails.  At that point, the cops had to use their guns or lose them.






Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at February 20, 2014 07:39 AM (DPMu1)

71 It's a wonder that what's going on in Kiev isn't happening in Chiapas. Let alone Venezuela. Hell, maybe it is but of course our betters in the editorial boards don't think it "newsworthy."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:40 AM (olDqf)

72

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 11:37 AM (olDqf)

 

 

Wouldn't suprise me a bit.

Posted by: Infidel at February 20, 2014 07:41 AM (6bvBO)

73 55 If you can film a sniper, you can probably shoot a sniper. That is why we have the second amendment and I pity the countries that don't. Posted by: Dang at February 20, 2014 11:37 AM (MNq6o) A shithead on a rooftop with a rifle and a scope isn't a sniper, he's a shithead on a rooftop with a rifle and a scope. I hate the ignorance of the media, total disregard for terminology. A sniper is a battlefield asset and is more likely to take pictures than pull triggers. Sorry, it's a thing with me, I'm high-school-girl sensitive about some terms. Those assholes aren't "snipers" they're just assholes.

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 07:41 AM (x3YFz)

74 That doesn't seem like "protests" so much as "revolt" or "civil war."

Posted by: Votermom at February 20, 2014 07:41 AM (GSIDW)

75


From the NYT, in which one of the "peaceful protesters" admits they broke the truce:

“There will be many dead today,” Anatoly Volk, 38, one of the demonstrators, said. He was watching stretchers carry dead and wounded men down a stairway slick with mud near the Hotel Ukraina.

Mr. Volk said the protesters had decided to try to retake the square because they believed the truce announced around midnight was a ruse. The young men in ski masks who led the push, he said, believed it was a stalling maneuver by President Yanukovych to buy time to deploy troops in the capital after the authorities decided the civilian police had insufficient forces to clear the square.

“A truce means real negotiations,” Mr. Volk said. “They are just delaying to make time to bring in more troops. They didn’t have the forces to storm us last night. So we are expanding our barricades to where they were before. We are restoring what we had.”

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at February 20, 2014 07:41 AM (DPMu1)

76 @68 Yes, because CNN and the NYT have been so consistently good at reporting subjects with which they have little or no familiarity.

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at February 20, 2014 07:41 AM (/8qpd)

77 Yeah Jon's right, the Ukrainian government would never lie!

Posted by: Adam at February 20, 2014 07:41 AM (Aif/5)

78 I call bullshit the protesters are throwing cobblestones and firebombs the other day almost as many cops died they forget to mention the ground police are only armed with batons and rubber bullets, hence the snipers I think if you toss a firebomb at cops...the cops shoot your ass

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 20, 2014 07:41 AM (At8tV)

79 The opposition used the negotiation period to buy time, to mobilize and get weapons Much like Iran is doing to you, King Putt.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at February 20, 2014 07:42 AM (9Bdcz)

80 What are the odds of Georgians smuggling in a shitload of AK's and pistols across the border? Pretty low, given that the two countries are separated by hundreds of miles.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2014 07:42 AM (SY2Kh)

81

Cops were standing down and pulling back to repect the truce, when a large group of protestors charged them throwing molotov cocktails. At that point, the cops had to use their guns or lose them.

 

That may be the facts of one incident from yesterday.  Today there are numerous independent reports from journalists witnessing the police firing into unarmed crowds.  They are murdering protestors. 

 

Or is that proportionate response in your world?

Posted by: The guy who claims he never socks at February 20, 2014 07:43 AM (A0sHn)

82

When exactly has it been common practice to employ snipers to handle protests?   That's confusing to me.   If you're genuinely trying to keep a handle on protester    violence    I can't imagine that    picking off individual troublemakers with sniper rifles is going to calm tensions.

 

Not that the protesters are saints in this either.  

 

I think the final tally is going to show that this was not merely a protest, but the first battle(s) in an   as yet undeclared war.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at February 20, 2014 07:43 AM (4df7R)

83 @46 WTF? That is the second time at least you have tacitly advocated collective punishment in the form of sniping protesters. How about punishing the people who set fire to the cars. Is that a difficult concept?

Posted by: Beagle at February 20, 2014 07:43 AM (sOtz/)

84 Seven cops were killed on Wednesday, some of whom were burned to death when "peaceful protesters" set their vehicles on fire and trapped them inside.


If you don't have guns,  fire is probably the best alternative.  If you want to keep a corrupt scumbag from the Ukraine dictatorship from being burned to death by protestors,  give the protestors guns.

Posted by: Dang at February 20, 2014 07:43 AM (MNq6o)

85 Imagine if they had drones.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2014 07:43 AM (IXrOn)

86 fuck me. I keep forgetting to unsock. 

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 20, 2014 07:44 AM (A0sHn)

87 78 What are the odds of Georgians smuggling in a shitload of AK's and pistols across the border? Pretty low, given that the two countries are separated by hundreds of miles. Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2014 11:42 AM (SY2Kh) Oops. Yeah. By boat then.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:44 AM (olDqf)

88 I think if you toss a firebomb at cops...the cops shoot your ass Posted by: navycopjoe at February 20, 2014 11:41 AM (At8tV) I really think that this is bad vs. bad. No side to pick. Let 'em duke it out. Not our fight.

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 07:44 AM (x3YFz)

89 Someone should probably let the Ukranian government know that the President has drawn a red line here.

Posted by: MTF at February 20, 2014 07:44 AM (F58x4)

90 What are the odds of Georgians smuggling in a shitload of AK's and pistols across the border?

Pretty low, given that the two countries are separated by hundreds of miles.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2014 11:42 AM (SY2Kh)


Wait, let me make a few phone calls!


Posted by: Eric Holder at February 20, 2014 07:44 AM (GQ8sn)

91 76 cop gonna cop

Posted by: X at February 20, 2014 07:44 AM (KHo8t)

92
Putin has weighed in:  NO Early Elections.

the war shall continue.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 20, 2014 07:45 AM (n0DEs)

93 64 @ 40

What are these burning times you talk about?

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 11:38 AM (Eimoe)


It is all yahoo apocalyptic talk. Their wet dreams are all about race riots and another Civil War this time their side will win (so they think).

Posted by: Froggy at February 20, 2014 07:45 AM (ogqPP)

94 That sure looks bad. One thing I would suggest is avoiding using wooden planks as a shield. Bullets tend to go right through those.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 20, 2014 07:45 AM (oFCZn)

95 In that second video, I don't actually see the guy with the bolt gun fire. He beats feet with everyone else without firing a shot. As with any protest video of police brutality filmed by the protesters, you have to look at it with a very critical eye to make sure that what you're seeing and what you're told you're seeing are the same thing. Not saying there's not some heinous things going on here. Just saying that folks have learned a lot from the Palestinians w/regards to making film lie.

Posted by: wizardpc at February 20, 2014 07:45 AM (WfYQn)

96 From the sidebar: "Actual Headline: Chihuahuas Rampage in Arizona" There's warfare in the streets of Kiev and Venezuela. Honey Badgers tearing off lion's testes, and now rampaging chihuahuas. It is truely the end times.

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 20, 2014 07:45 AM (LKJt3)

97 Jon must be a cop. He's got the whole reflexive "thin blue line" defend all police thing going on . . . Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at February 20, 2014 11:38 AM

I freely admit I don't know for certain which side is "good" and which is "bad" in this instance.

Choom Boy and the teevee yappers seem to be rootin' for the so-called rebels, which makes me tend to favor the Ukraine government, but that's just a knee-jerk reaction based on recent history.

It is also my belief that no one who is talking about this knows what the real scoop is, and that sure as hell includes Poppin' Fresh.

I also agree with those who see this as presaging what's going to happen here unless some in authority (that would be Congress) remove heads from asses and start doing the jobs the swore to do when they accepted their gigs as Super Welfare Queens.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 20, 2014 07:45 AM (ff7/5)

98 80. I agree - battle is the word I was looking for. The protests were going on for months, with violent incidents escalating, from what I gather.

Posted by: Votermom at February 20, 2014 07:46 AM (GSIDW)

99 The so-called Kent State Massacre may very well have been started by the Weathermen. There is evidence to suggest that they fired first on the Nat'l Guardsmen, who in a panic, fired wildly. Just pointing out a pertinent historical parallel.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:46 AM (olDqf)

100 94 Posted by: ExSnipe at February 20, 2014 11:45 AM (LKJt3) I like to pronounce in "Chee-hoo-uh-hoo-uh" in the original Vulgarian.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:47 AM (olDqf)

101 Read the media reports, from CNN, NYT and elsewhere. I posted one upthread. The accounts are consistent: Cops were standing down and pulling back to repect the truce, when a large group of protestors charged them throwing molotov cocktails. At that point, the cops had to use their guns or lose them. The video I just watched showed no molotov cocktails or any other form of attack on the police, who responded with lethal force. The police have been using heavy-handed tactics from the beginning. Eventually the some of the protesters are going to respond in kind.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2014 07:47 AM (SY2Kh)

102 The Doublemint trolls are back!

Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2014 07:47 AM (FcR7P)

103 There's warfare in the streets of Kiev and Venezuela. Honey Badgers tearing off lion's testes, and now rampaging chihuahuas.


Should be safe in my convertible.


Posted by: EC at February 20, 2014 07:47 AM (GQ8sn)

104 LOL coblogger to the barrel!

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 07:47 AM (x3YFz)

105 This is all so hard to watch.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2014 07:48 AM (IXrOn)

106 @95 - the protesters don't want to be affiliated with Russia and live as a puppet of Putin. I think that's a reasonable enough position, no?

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at February 20, 2014 07:48 AM (CrJzY)

107 at least the cops are shooting the hot chicks the mail order bride sites will get a fresh crop of annas soon

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 20, 2014 07:48 AM (At8tV)

108 Rampaging is normal chihuahua behavior. Not necessarily end times.

Posted by: Beagle at February 20, 2014 07:48 AM (sOtz/)

109 105 'aren't'

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 20, 2014 07:48 AM (At8tV)

110 Those assholes aren't "snipers" they're just assholes. Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks)

I was talking about the government snipers.  They are trained snipers.  They are doing a bad thing,  I believe,  but that doesn't mean they are suddenly not snipers.

Posted by: Dang at February 20, 2014 07:48 AM (MNq6o)

111 So, the Russian backed government is opting for civil war against the more Western leaning population? Will not end well.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at February 20, 2014 07:48 AM (1hM1d)

112 It's not our fight and it's too close to Russia for safety. Plus Barky is C-in-C. Bad all around. Leave this one to the cables.

Posted by: joncelli at February 20, 2014 07:48 AM (RD7QR)

113 I think if you toss a firebomb at cops...the cops shoot your ass Posted by: navycopjoe


Yeah, but I didn't see any firebomds or even firecrackers being thrown by anyone.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 20, 2014 07:48 AM (hn70M)

114 Not. Our. Fight.

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 07:48 AM (x3YFz)

115 @91 Its crazy talk from a bunch of frustrated sex deprived internet addicts.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 07:48 AM (Eimoe)

116 This will be the penalty for failure to buy insurance under the Hillary regime.

Posted by: MTF at February 20, 2014 07:49 AM (F58x4)

117 110 It's not our fight and it's too close to Russia for safety. Plus Barky is C-in-C. Bad all around. Leave this one to the cables. Posted by: joncelli at February 20, 2014 11:48 AM (RD7QR) Maybe we should start a border incident with the Chi-Coms so they can invade Siberia from the east. Mwah-ha-ha!!!!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:49 AM (olDqf)

118 If you're carrying a shield you're not "unarmed".

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at February 20, 2014 07:50 AM (5xmd7)

119 113 @91 Its crazy talk from a bunch of frustrated sex deprived internet addicts. Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 11:48 AM (Eimoe) I am *not* frustrated! ok, a little bit.

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 07:50 AM (x3YFz)

120 I agree - battle is the word I was looking for. The protests were going on for months, with violent incidents escalating, from what I gather. Posted by: Votermom at February 20, 2014 11:46 AM (GSIDW) yes, and day by day their voices were being stifled and communication blacked out It's amazing that those protesters know they are being shot at, but continue to move forward and take fire.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2014 07:50 AM (IXrOn)

121 Jon must be a cop. He's got the whole reflexive "thin blue line" defend all police thing going on . . .

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at February 20, 2014 11:38 AM (/8qpd)

No, I just recognize that this is actually a complex situation, and I dislike the enormously one-sided media coverage.  The media are clearly on the side of  the "peaceful protesters" because the elected government (which the "peaceful protesters" are trying to overthrow) is pro-Russia/Putin and they hate Putin because he doesn't celebrate ghey marriage and has repeatedly made Obama look foolish.



Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at February 20, 2014 07:50 AM (DPMu1)

122 This whole thing is giving me a very    "Northern Ireland    in the 70s and 80s"    vibe. 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at February 20, 2014 07:50 AM (4df7R)

123 This will be the penalty for failure to buy insurance under the Hillary regime. The whole 'woman scorned' deal. She will get us back hard! for resisting Hillarycare back in the 90's.

Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2014 07:51 AM (FcR7P)

124 I expect the Philistinians to start launching rockets at Israel from Gaza. All this shit just diverts from their plight, or something.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:51 AM (olDqf)

125 Burning Froggy better be careful.  Attempting to carry out a conversation with yourself can get confusing and he might slip up and respond to one name under the exact same name.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2014 07:51 AM (LI48c)

126 112 Not. Our. Fight. -- I agree. America is too weak and rudderless right now to stick its nose in. Having to watch awful scenes like these is a consequence of being lead into a post-America world by Barack & his Progs.

Posted by: Votermom at February 20, 2014 07:51 AM (GSIDW)

127 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 20, 2014 07:52 AM (PYAXX)

128 You mean, the worldwide leftists aren't screaming at Putin for proportionality? I'm shocked! Shocked!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:52 AM (olDqf)

129 Is this where someone needs to point out that all trolls are Average Joe, who    has made the choice to suck cock?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at February 20, 2014 07:52 AM (4df7R)

130 121 This will be the penalty for failure to buy insurance under the Hillary regime.

The whole 'woman scorned' deal. She will get us back hard! for resisting Hillarycare back in the 90's.

Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2014 11:51 AM (FcR7P)


The IRS will come around and kick non-compliant citizens in the balls? Uh-oh...

Posted by: joncelli at February 20, 2014 07:52 AM (RD7QR)

131 How horrific. And is there anyone who believes it *can't* happen here?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 20, 2014 07:52 AM (PYAXX)

132 They are still playing out the end of WW2 over there but without the benefit of any American Leadership. This is what the world looks like without a Pax America. You wanted this liberals, well you got it, now live with it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2014 07:52 AM (t3UFN)

133 @ 115 You are living in a fantasy world.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 07:52 AM (Eimoe)

134 Meanwhile, what's happening in Venezuela?  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at February 20, 2014 07:53 AM (4df7R)

135 I saw Rampaging Chihuahuas open for Honey Badgers Ain't Lion in 1985.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 20, 2014 07:53 AM (SUKHu)

136 114 This will be the penalty for failure to buy insurance under the Hillary regime. -- I LOLed. I denounce myself.

Posted by: Votermom at February 20, 2014 07:53 AM (GSIDW)

137 @130 Why do you care what happens in the Ukraine?

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 07:54 AM (Eimoe)

138 How horrific.

And is there anyone who believes it *can't* happen here? Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It


Ask a Branch Davidian,  if you can find one.

Posted by: Dang at February 20, 2014 07:54 AM (MNq6o)

139 87 Someone should probably let the Ukranian government know that the President has drawn a red line here. ------------- Indeed.

Posted by: Chilling the most at February 20, 2014 07:54 AM (gxtMZ)

140 If you're carrying a shield you're not "unarmed". Given that it's not a weapon, yes, you are "unarmed".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2014 07:54 AM (SY2Kh)

141 This is what the world looks like without a Pax America. You wanted this liberals, well you got it, now live with it.

They got their chai soy latte and their electronic gadgets and their Obamacare, they're not going to give a fuck about the rest of the world.

Posted by: HR at February 20, 2014 07:54 AM (ZKzrr)

142 Someone should probably let the Ukranian government know that the President has drawn a red line here.


Over his ballsack.

Posted by: EC at February 20, 2014 07:54 AM (GQ8sn)

143 Not to sound cruel, but I really could give a shit about the Ukraine. Not our fight is right.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:54 AM (olDqf)

144 130 They are still playing out the end of WW2 over there but without the benefit of any American Leadership. This is what the world looks like without a Pax America. You wanted this liberals, well you got it, now live with it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2014 11:52 AM (t3UFN)


If only Sarah Palin were in the White House all would be well with the world.

Posted by: Froggy at February 20, 2014 07:55 AM (ogqPP)

145 We went from Pax Americana to Mundus Bellum Obama.

Posted by: Beagle at February 20, 2014 07:55 AM (sOtz/)

146 @ 124 We should not be the world's policeman. Let the Ukrainians sort out their problems, we have our own.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 07:55 AM (Eimoe)

147 I see we got a keyboard commando munching Cheetos who is fine and dandy with Russian supported Ukrainian thugs beating down civilians.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 20, 2014 07:55 AM (QDvfw)

148 131 @ 115

You are living in a fantasy world.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 11:52 AM (Eimoe)


Or you need a humor transfusion.

Posted by: joncelli at February 20, 2014 07:55 AM (RD7QR)

149 So an overbearing Russia is influencing a small Eastern Europe nation in bloody ways. I guess some things don't change.

Posted by: Roadrunner at February 20, 2014 07:55 AM (SOKoI)

150 IIRC, Ukraine has a significant defense industry.  Everything you need to fight a modern conventional war.

Posted by: mrp at February 20, 2014 07:55 AM (JBggj)

151

Excuse me. Can we not agree that shooting unarmed protesters with live rounds is an unambiguous moral wrong?

I trust the Krautish press because they are closer to the scene than we are and could all find Ukraine on a map before last week. They are saying unambiguously that cops are shooting protesters in the back, firing into crowds from the top of trucks, and otherwise generally committing murder.

 

Pixy doesn't like my tiny url; I'm getting this from the Frankfurter Allgemeine.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 20, 2014 07:55 AM (A0sHn)

152 I love the brazen two-facedness of Putin.  On the one hand, he's made multiple statements saying that Obama is stupid because socialism is a giant totalitarian failure, and on the other he's actively trying to reform the USSR, like some sort of bargain-basement Voltron that runs on grain alcohol.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 20, 2014 07:56 AM (B/VB5)

153 120 This whole thing is giving me a very "Northern Ireland in the 70s and 80s" vibe. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 20, 2014 11:50 AM (4df7R) SOLUTION - Send in Peter King with a sheet of particle board. Problem solved. Where's my Peace Prize, bitches?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:56 AM (olDqf)

154 Silence proves consent, posting signifies endorsement!

Posted by: Inviolable FCC guidelines at February 20, 2014 07:56 AM (FbMva)

155 If you're carrying a shield you're not "unarmed".


And curling up in a ball on the ground and covering your head while being kicked is "fighting back".  Don't be a fucking tard.

Posted by: Dang at February 20, 2014 07:56 AM (MNq6o)

156 IIRC, Ukraine has a significant defense industry. Everything you need to fight a modern conventional war. ...in the Russian-dominated east.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 20, 2014 07:56 AM (naUcP)

157 I agree. America is too weak and rudderless right now to stick its nose in. Having to watch awful scenes like these is a consequence of being lead into a post-America world by Barack & his Progs. Posted by: Votermom at February 20, 2014 11:51 AM (GSIDW) I don't like to see innocents murdered. I'm empathetic and I do care. However, as you said, we're stretched thin already. We have a morale mandate to care, but we don't have a mandate to act, and likely not the means. We'd do more harm than good, I'm afraid. The world has always had evil people, dictators, tyrants and it will until it ends. I can't get fired up over some conflict I'm barely understanding on the other side of the planet. What I can do is help someone out who I can make eye contact with, and there's a host of them. ymmv

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 07:57 AM (x3YFz)

158 Why do you care what happens in the Ukraine? Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 11:54 AM (Eimoe) your kidding right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2014 07:57 AM (t3UFN)

159 This is in the EU's backyard. But, what can they do? They are tethered to Russia's oil, so, "talks" will occur.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2014 07:57 AM (IXrOn)

160 Barack's comments, yesterday, were just in time.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2014 07:57 AM (Xdn8D)

161 On the one hand, he's made multiple statements saying that Obama is stupid because socialism is a giant totalitarian failure, and on the other he's actively trying to reform the USSR, like some sort of bargain-basement Voltron that runs on grain alcohol.


Potatoes, I believe.

Posted by: EC at February 20, 2014 07:57 AM (GQ8sn)

162 148 IIRC, Ukraine has a significant defense industry. Everything you need to fight a modern conventional war. Posted by: mrp at February 20, 2014 11:55 AM (JBggj) Do they still have some Soviet ICBM's? I imagine the Russians removed those as fast as they could.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 07:57 AM (olDqf)

163 Not. Our. Fight. Nobody is suggesting we land American troops in Ukraine. That doesn't mean that the world's only superpower should not stand up for Western values and against brutality, even if only in the form of moral support and condemnation.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2014 07:57 AM (SY2Kh)

164 I been violated like the Chicken. A-a-a-a-and.......?

Posted by: The Red Line at February 20, 2014 07:57 AM (0cMkb)

165 I am not automatically on the side of the protesters here, though I am getting the vibe from the majority of the commenters that I should be. This is a very complex situation and I think we are projecting our own attitudes and beliefs onto the protesters. This case seems far less clear cut than Venezuela to me. If Russian history has shown us nothing else, it has shown us that throwing out old regimes for new ones does not necessarily result in a better situation for anyone other than the heads of the new regime.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at February 20, 2014 07:57 AM (RZ8pf)

166 >>>Excuse me. Can we not agree that shooting unarmed protesters with live rounds is an unambiguous moral wrong? you can't get navycopjoe or Chris Balsz or Jon to.

Posted by: X at February 20, 2014 07:58 AM (KHo8t)

167 43 Militarized police in black wearing masks shooting at innocent people. Fortunately that can't happen here. Because constitution or something. Posted by: Beagle at February 20, 2014 11:33 AM (sOtz/) Really

Posted by: A Southern Man at February 20, 2014 07:58 AM (3O720)

168 This is in the EU's backyard. But, what can they do? They are tethered to Russia's oil, so, "talks" will occur. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2014 11:57 AM (IXrOn) The EU is like a weak poor sister. They, or their ancestors, could not stand up to Hitler or Stalin, nothing is different today

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2014 07:58 AM (t3UFN)

169 I expect the Philistinians to start launching rockets at Israel from Gaza.

All this shit just diverts from their plight, or something.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 11:51 AM (olDqf)



Not really; we've got Rodham 2 Electric Boogaloo over there making an ass out of himself with barely disguised Joo hating comments.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 20, 2014 07:58 AM (2RiXU)

170 143 We went from Pax Americana to Mundus Bellum Obama. -- World War O In Amazing 3D. Feel the bullets!

Posted by: Votermom at February 20, 2014 07:58 AM (GSIDW)

171 Just because it is not our fight doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned with what is happening in the Ukraine.  There's a difference between participation and observation.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at February 20, 2014 07:58 AM (4df7R)

172 A full-on civil war in Ukraine would be very, very bad news.

Posted by: brak at February 20, 2014 07:59 AM (iEoiA)

173 Someone will have to be the bogeyman or fall guy. Who will step up, and what will they be offered?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2014 07:59 AM (IXrOn)

174 Over his ballsack.

Tee-time for Gaylord and his bag of golf balls?
http://tinyurl.com/q7v8eou

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 20, 2014 07:59 AM (QDvfw)

175 @149 You can trust the Germans to report on Ukraine. They can easily find it on old maps of Germany. Unlike American reporters who need a drone to find their own asses.

Posted by: Beagle at February 20, 2014 07:59 AM (sOtz/)

176 Nobody is suggesting we land American troops in Ukraine. That doesn't mean that the world's only superpower should not stand up for Western values and against brutality, even if only in the form of moral support and condemnation. Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2014 11:57 AM (SY2Kh) Bingo

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2014 07:59 AM (t3UFN)

177 Huh, wonder what's happening in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Posted by: Seems legit at February 20, 2014 07:59 AM (A98Xu)

178 A full-on civil war in Ukraine would be very, very bad news.


Looks like it's headed there as soon as the Olympics wrap up and the tv crews leave.  The protestors have until then.

Posted by: EC at February 20, 2014 07:59 AM (GQ8sn)

179 Pax Americana to Mundus Bellum This is a family blog, sir. Speak American.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2014 08:00 AM (Xdn8D)

180 I tend to think that any time a gubmint, ANY gubmint, is shooting its own citizens that there is something seriously wrong with the gubmint.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 20, 2014 08:00 AM (wNF3N)

181 164 nope fuck them like I said, throw a cobblestone or firebomb, then advance with sharded sticks and iron bars...get shot

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 20, 2014 08:00 AM (At8tV)

182 Nobody is suggesting we land American troops in Ukraine.

That doesn't mean that the world's only superpower should not stand up for Western values and against brutality, even if only in the form of moral support and condemnation.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2014 11:57 AM (SY2Kh)



This is the Hollowpoint I've been waiting for.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 20, 2014 08:00 AM (2RiXU)

183 so i've had to slip my tin propeller beanie on lately. are these countries being agitated with outside influences? sure all these countries have had issues but why country after country now? is this just because Obama is weak or is there outside Help to move things along?

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2014 08:00 AM (nqBYe)

184 This is reminding me of the Spanish Civil War. The anti -Franco forces glamorization. Both sides in reality sucked. One was just way more powerful and backed by a bad actor.

Posted by: Vin Weasel at February 20, 2014 08:00 AM (WbOdn)

185 One thing is for certain: You're not going to get a pizza delivered in 30 minutes or less in Kiev.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 20, 2014 08:00 AM (oFCZn)

186 Could this spread to Peruvia?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 20, 2014 08:00 AM (32Ze2)

187 @ 156 I am dead serious, hows does this impact your life? If you care so much, go to the Ukraine.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 08:00 AM (Eimoe)

188

>>>Excuse me. Can we not agree that shooting unarmed protesters with live rounds is an unambiguous moral wrong?


you can't get navycopjoe or Chris Balsz or Jon to.

 

That's the sense I get.  It's scary. 

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 20, 2014 08:00 AM (A0sHn)

189 All that bowing that dipshit Obama did to every world leader didn't really help present the US as a "take charge" kind of place anymore.

Posted by: Seems legit at February 20, 2014 08:01 AM (A98Xu)

190 A full-on civil war in Ukraine would be very, very bad news. Russia can just stand by and watch from the sidelines and pick up the pieces. Kinda like they did when they sat outside Warsaw Poland in WW2

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2014 08:01 AM (t3UFN)

191 Sitting here in my hotel room watching this on Sky News in the UK and they just announced that up to 60 cops have been taken hostage and the death toll amongst the protesters is up approximately 70. The video they are showing on the tube is pretty surreal.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 20, 2014 08:01 AM (/miWO)

192 sure all these countries have had issues but why country after country now?
is this just because Obama is weak or is there outside Help to move things along?

It's mostly because Obama is now the indisputable world laughingstock.  At the G-20 they probably tell Reggie jokes when he goes to the restroom.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 20, 2014 08:02 AM (B/VB5)

193 If Russian history has shown us nothing else, it has shown us that throwing out old regimes for new ones does not necessarily result in a better situation for anyone other than the heads of the new regime. Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at February 20, 2014 11:57 AM


Who were often also the heads of the old regime.

Posted by: huerfano at February 20, 2014 08:02 AM (bAGA/)

194 142 If only Sarah Palin were in the White House all would be well with the world. -- I know you're being sarcastic, but I betcha a million barrels of oil that Putin would tread more lightly around Palin than he does around Bammy.

Posted by: Votermom at February 20, 2014 08:02 AM (GSIDW)

195 185 @ 156

I am dead serious, hows does this impact your life? If you care so much, go to the Ukraine.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 12:00 PM (Eimoe)

 

Why do you give a damn if someone here might care?   How does that impact you life?  You twit.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2014 08:02 AM (LI48c)

196 MWR, did anyone ever really figure out on Bloody Sunday who really fired the first shot that sparked everything?  Have heard it was the IRA who did it just to start the Troubles.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 20, 2014 08:02 AM (QDvfw)

197 A full-on civil war in Ukraine would be very, very bad news. Whatever. Speaking of real news, don't miss my interview with the winners of the figure skating competitions!

Posted by: Bob Costas at February 20, 2014 08:03 AM (FcR7P)

198 If you're using your arms to defend yourself from someone trying to punch you, then you're armed!!

Posted by: Derp-a-herp at February 20, 2014 08:03 AM (YbyjT)

199 I am dead serious, hows does this impact your life? If you care so much, go to the Ukraine. Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 12:00 PM (Eimoe) And you think we can just sit here behind the "Atlantic" wall and stay isolated from an expanding Russia bent on re-establishing the Soviet Union? Because Isolationism has worked out so great in the past?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2014 08:03 AM (t3UFN)

200 @165 Really sarcastic anyway.

Posted by: Beagle at February 20, 2014 08:03 AM (sOtz/)

201 @161 George Soros is funding the protestors. There are OWS types there and the main component of the protestors are Ukrainian Neo-Nazis. Why should I support them?

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 08:03 AM (Eimoe)

202 I am dead serious, hows does this impact your life? If you care so much, go to the Ukraine.

 

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 12:00 PM (Eimoe)

 

And if you care so little, go     read something    else.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at February 20, 2014 08:03 AM (4df7R)

203 I am dead serious, hows does this impact your life? If you care so much, go to the Ukraine.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 12:00 PM (Eimoe)


-----


You havent been paying attention have you.

Posted by: 1917 and 1939 at February 20, 2014 08:03 AM (nELVU)

204 Russia can just stand by and watch from the sidelines and pick up the pieces. Kinda like they did when they sat outside Warsaw Poland in WW2 Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2014 12:01 PM (t3UFN) Bingo! Hell, they may even get "invited" in, if things get bad enough.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 20, 2014 08:04 AM (0cMkb)

205 Excuse me. Can we not agree that shooting unarmed protesters with live rounds is an unambiguous moral wrong? No because Obama agrees that killing unarmed protesters is wrong so we have to reflexively take the opposite position. Oh, sorry. I didn't mean "we", I meant "idiots".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2014 08:04 AM (SY2Kh)

206 Ian, I do believe that has much to do with this. Yet i keep getting niggles when Egypt went first and had had visits in same time frame from a few agitators names we all know of.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2014 08:04 AM (nqBYe)

207 Excuse me. Can we not agree that shooting unarmed protesters with live rounds is an unambiguous moral wrong? I don't know. Were they acting smart?

Posted by: Uncle Honey Badger at February 20, 2014 08:04 AM (2oU2+)

208 Ok I have a serious question, don't mean it snarky at all, is there ever a situation that you guys feel would justify a government firing on its civilians?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at February 20, 2014 08:04 AM (RZ8pf)

209 Some people don't care so much they spend hours making sure nobody else does. Like Dawkins the evangelical atheist.

Posted by: Beagle at February 20, 2014 08:05 AM (sOtz/)

210

MWR, did anyone ever really figure out on Bloody Sunday who really fired the first shot that sparked everything? Have heard it was the IRA who did it just to start the Troubles.


 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 20, 2014 12:02 PM (QDvfw)

 

 

Honestly, no idea.  I suspect that's probably one of those historical items that has multiple answers depending who you talk to.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at February 20, 2014 08:05 AM (4df7R)

211
66 Look at the bullet hole in the flak jacket in this Newsweek article:

http://tinyurl.com/n7jha8o

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 20, 2014 11:39 AM (SUKHu)


The most surprising thing about this whole thing is that there is still a thing called "Newsweek"

Posted by: dIb at February 20, 2014 08:05 AM (aRwtY)

212 Hell, they may even get "invited" in, if things get bad enough. Posted by: naturalfake at February 20, 2014 12:04 PM (0cMkb) Yeah yeah invite us in, that's the ticket. Hey that invite is here somewhere. Boris get to work on that invite

Posted by: Russian Interior Ministry at February 20, 2014 08:05 AM (t3UFN)

213 69 It's a wonder that what's going on in Kiev isn't happening in Chiapas. Let alone Venezuela. Hell, maybe it is but of course our betters in the editorial boards don't think it "newsworthy." Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 11:40 AM (olDqf) Venezuela is a Local Crime Story

Posted by: Sarah Kliff, Washington Post at February 20, 2014 08:05 AM (aTXUx)

214 But do they have healthcare???

Posted by: microaggressor at February 20, 2014 08:05 AM (yhJhK)

215 @197 That's what nuclear weapons are for. Good luck getting Americans to want to die for the Marxist European Union. No one is stopping you from going to the Ukraine an be a fighter for European Marxists.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 08:05 AM (Eimoe)

216

If a mob was going around committing crimes and murdering folks then firing upon civilians might be warranted.  Rwanda would be a good example.

Posted by: Draki at February 20, 2014 08:06 AM (L8r/r)

217
@206

Unarmed Civilians? No.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 20, 2014 08:06 AM (n0DEs)

218 Nevergiveup.  The only bunch of troops to be more ironic than UN peacekeepers is Russian peacekeepers.

But yes the Red Army sat outside Warsaw and let the pro-West Home Army get massacred by the German Army.  That way they would have less opposition to their brutal rule.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 20, 2014 08:06 AM (QDvfw)

219 Jack, I had seen pics of the police there throwing molotovs . So was that real, or were all those shopped photos? or an instigation to go after the protesters as naarchist or terrorists?

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2014 08:06 AM (nqBYe)

220 ot women's hockey USA v Canada starting soon

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2014 08:06 AM (IXrOn)

221 The protestors should be clever and release photos of dead gay protestors.

Then all hell will break loose.


Posted by: EC at February 20, 2014 08:06 AM (GQ8sn)

222 Kiev? Isn't that a cake or something? The new choom?

Posted by: injuin Black foot Barry, Dog eater. at February 20, 2014 08:07 AM (0FSuD)

223 Ok I have a serious question, don't mean it snarky at all, is there ever a situation that you guys feel would justify a government firing on its civilians? Shooting looters. Or rampaging mobs that threaten legitimate innocents. Those I can see, and the second is a very strained case.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 20, 2014 08:07 AM (naUcP)

224 At least 70 dead today.

Posted by: RWC at February 20, 2014 08:07 AM (fWAjv)

225 Someone should probably let the Ukranian government know that the President has drawn a red line here. Posted by: MTF at February 20, 2014 11:44 AM (F58x4) That's not quite true. He said: "there will be consequences if people step over the line." No word from him what the color might be.

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 20, 2014 08:07 AM (LKJt3)

226 No wonder     (Eimoe)     calls itself Burning.   S/H/It's got a whole crapload of straw men    it likes to torch.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at February 20, 2014 08:07 AM (4df7R)

227 Oh, sorry. I didn't mean "we", I meant "idiots". Posted by: Hollowpoint


Dude,  the protestors aren't gun owners.  So uncool.

Posted by: Dang at February 20, 2014 08:07 AM (MNq6o)

228 Boy, I guess I really was right during the debate...

Posted by: Romney's Inner Thoughts at February 20, 2014 08:07 AM (TBlS7)

229 Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at February 20, 2014 12:04 PM (RZ8pf) What do you mean by unarmed? Anything other than a firearm?

Posted by: Vin Weasel at February 20, 2014 08:07 AM (WbOdn)

230 If a mob was going around committing crimes and murdering folks then firing upon civilians might be warranted. Rwanda would be a good example.

-----

Hmmmmm.   Flash mobs and knock out games.

Discuss.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2014 08:07 AM (nELVU)

231
We did what we had to do.  For the chilrens!

Posted by: Janet Reno, Head of Kiev Policia at February 20, 2014 08:07 AM (n0DEs)

232 Ok I have a serious question, don't mean it snarky at all, is there ever a situation that you guys feel would justify a government firing on its civilians? Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at February 20, 2014 12:04 PM (RZ8pf) When it comes to firing on your own citizens, a Government has pretty much lost all it's legitimacy. Almost like violating it Constitution repeatedly, but I digress

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2014 08:07 AM (t3UFN)

233 @201 I have payed attention. This is not my problem. Its a pissing match between the Eurotrash Marxists and the Russians. Not my concern.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 08:08 AM (Eimoe)

234 Taking notes for Obama's third term.

Posted by: --- at February 20, 2014 08:08 AM (MMC8r)

235 Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 12:05 PM (Eimoe) ---------- Yeah yeah send in the marines and the airborne!!!

Posted by: Said No One You Dumb Fuck at February 20, 2014 08:08 AM (Aif/5)

236 Feeeeeed the troll Derpence a bag Derpence, derpence, derpence a bag

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 20, 2014 08:08 AM (ELs9k)

237 And, there's some sort of surreal blackout in our country covering Venezuela...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2014 08:08 AM (IXrOn)

238 @206 It happens every day. When someone is using deadly force not in self defense. Thus threatening death or significant bodily injury.

Posted by: Beagle at February 20, 2014 08:08 AM (sOtz/)

239 Those cops are just standing around shooting, completely ignoring principles of movement and cover. That tells me that the protestors are still unarmed. Clearly, gun registration and confiscation works. Fifty hunting rifles, and the cops are taking a completely different tactical position.

Posted by: A Southern Man at February 20, 2014 08:09 AM (3O720)

240 I have payed attention. This is not my problem. Its a pissing match between the Eurotrash Marxists and the Russians. Not my concern. Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 12:08 PM (Eimoe) i.e. The future doesn't matter.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2014 08:09 AM (IXrOn)

241 Pikers. Put em on motorcycles and ride through firing. You'll get some, trust me.

Posted by: Nicolás Maduro at February 20, 2014 08:09 AM (0FSuD)

242

[Ok I have a serious question, don't mean it snarky at all, is there ever a situation that you guys feel would justify a government firing on its civilians?
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I can't think of one.  It's bad enough we have militarized police who seem to be getting ever more totalitarian and trigger happy with regards to the lives and property of civilians.  Once you invite the federal gubmint into that you start getting Waco and Ruby Ridge all over the place.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at February 20, 2014 08:09 AM (4df7R)

243 Pretty fucking sad armed forces shooting at unarmed protesters. Is there a time when it is proper? No, I don't think so. Not now, not ever.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 20, 2014 08:09 AM (HVff2)

244 George Soros is funding the protestors. There are OWS types there and the main component of the protestors are Ukrainian Neo-Nazis. Why should I support them? Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 12:03 PM (Eimoe) link?

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2014 08:09 AM (nqBYe)

245 Feeeeeed the troll Derpence a bag I'll take one with extra arsenic, please...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 20, 2014 08:09 AM (naUcP)

246 Obama's little brain:  Hmmm, there's got to be a way we can use this Ukraine thingy to help keep the Senate in November.  Now if I could only think of a way...

Posted by: microaggressor at February 20, 2014 08:09 AM (yhJhK)

247 >>Jack, I had seen pics of the police there throwing molotovs . >>So was that real, or were all those shopped photos? >>or an instigation to go after the protesters as naarchist or terrorists? I haven't seen those shots yet but the video coverage here is extensive. There are running gun battles going on although the police are much better armed. It's not really possible to tell who broke the truce as both sides are claiming the other did but the police are coming down hard. They are using automatic weapons and snipers on a much less well armed resistance. I suspect the police went off first but that is just speculation on my part. It looks like a full on war zone.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 20, 2014 08:10 AM (/miWO)

248 Well we can bring this to the UN. I mean I am sure the Russians and their Veto Power will not mind?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2014 08:10 AM (t3UFN)

249 Dude, the protestors aren't gun owners. So uncool. Huh?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2014 08:10 AM (SY2Kh)

250 Read the media reports, from CNN, NYT and elsewhere. I posted one upthread. The accounts are consistent: Cops were standing down and pulling back to repect the truce, when a large group of protestors charged them throwing molotov cocktails. At that point, the cops had to use their guns or lose them. Yeah, and these cops are just like western cops. Look up the term "agent provocateur" and then learn a little bit about how Russians are experts at using them.

Posted by: grognard at February 20, 2014 08:10 AM (/29Nl)

251 Willow.  "is this just because Obama is weak or is there outside Help to move things along?"

Yes.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at February 20, 2014 08:10 AM (vVOWk)

252 I guess I mean not armed with guns. But there are other things that can be used as weapons, so that doesn't really hold up. It's strange how in the information age, with all the instant social media, it is still difficult to know if what is being reported is real or manipulated.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at February 20, 2014 08:11 AM (RZ8pf)

253 And, there's some sort of surreal blackout in our country covering Venezuela anything that portrays leftism in a negative light." For completeness.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2014 08:11 AM (YbyjT)

254 There's more at stake than the usual "protests for democracy" fable spun by the MSM. It's which crime family gets the gas lines, the EU or Putin The "Ukraine Situation" Explained In One Map http://tinyurl.com/pwq43nr

Posted by: kbdabear at February 20, 2014 08:11 AM (aTXUx)

255 It's not really possible to tell who broke the truce ---------- No no, just ask around here, some people know exactly what is going on.

Posted by: Adam at February 20, 2014 08:11 AM (Aif/5)

256 Feeeeeed the troll
Derpence a bag

Lol.

Posted by: HR at February 20, 2014 08:11 AM (ZKzrr)

257 235 And, there's some sort of surreal blackout in our country covering Venezuela... Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2014 12:08 PM (IXrOn) There seems to be a MSM blackout on what's going on (re: al qaeda) in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Posted by: Seems legit at February 20, 2014 08:12 AM (A98Xu)

258 Where are the tanks? I know in friendship with the Ukrainian people Mr Putin will be happy to send some to help out. Wait till the Olympics are over and we'll be right over.

Posted by: Zombie Stalin at February 20, 2014 08:12 AM (0FSuD)

259 This and Venezuela ... cock sucking communists. Barry is fapping  himself over this ... I'm sure he can't wait for the gun control to kick in here.

Posted by: E.T. at February 20, 2014 08:12 AM (uGlk8)

260 Jack, it's surreal to me, country after country and media here doesn't address this in any significant way.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2014 08:12 AM (nqBYe)

261 Ok I have a serious question, don't mean it snarky at all, is there ever a situation that you guys feel would justify a government firing on its civilians?

Shooting looters. Or rampaging mobs that threaten legitimate innocents. Those I can see, and the second is a very strained case. Posted by: Brother Cavil


Agree.  If your government will never,  ever shoot on unarmed citizens,  the government arms are useless,  right?  You get anarchy real fast.  There's a good side and a bad side to almost everything in life.

Posted by: Dang at February 20, 2014 08:13 AM (MNq6o)

262 Boycott the Olympics until Putin stops backing this government.  It's not much, but it would slap Putin in the face, and frankly, I'm not sure a major power has ever done that before. 

Posted by: Merry Kerry at February 20, 2014 08:13 AM (Tlix5)

263 Old International Meme: How do you think the Americans will react? I mean we have to prepare for their reaction and plan for it. I mean we might have to do what we have to do, but we have to worry about those Cowboys in the White House. New International Meme: Hey do we have cream for the coffee?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2014 08:13 AM (t3UFN)

264 I am sure there will be no major developments in the situation after the close of Sochi Olympics. None.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 20, 2014 08:13 AM (659DL)

265 187 All that bowing that dipshit Obama did to every world leader didn't really help present the US as a "take charge" kind of place anymore. Posted by: Seems legit

Yep- I used to post a photoshop of O'bumfuck bowing to that fat sheik with "Submission Accomplished" on his weaselly back.

Posted by: backhoe at February 20, 2014 08:13 AM (ULH4o)

266 Obama hitting on an intern:  You know, I've got a LINE in my PANTS heh heh heh...

Posted by: microaggressor at February 20, 2014 08:13 AM (yhJhK)

267 "I guess I mean not armed with guns. But there are other things that can be used as weapons, so that doesn't really hold up." There are plenty of effective non-lethal methods we have to control rioters who aren't using guns.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2014 08:13 AM (YbyjT)

268 i'm calling bullshit again with the unarmed protesters crap they are advancing on unarmed cops (the special police teams are armed, not the standard riot police) with sharpened sticks and iron bars watch the damn video

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 20, 2014 08:13 AM (At8tV)

269 It's not really possible to tell who broke the truce as both sides are claiming the other did but the police are coming down hard. They are using automatic weapons and snipers on a much less well armed resistance. I suspect the police went off first but that is just speculation on my part. It looks like a full on war zone. Posted by: JackStraw at February 20, 2014 12:10 PM (/miWO) Keep in mind that the .gov is using paid thugs to be mixed in with the protesters to further instigate.

Posted by: RWC at February 20, 2014 08:13 AM (fWAjv)

270 199 @161

George Soros is funding the protestors. There are OWS types there and the main component of the protestors are Ukrainian Neo-Nazis. Why should I support them?

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 12:03 PM (Eimoe)


That's quite an assertion. Got any evidence for it?

Posted by: joncelli at February 20, 2014 08:13 AM (RD7QR)

271 There seems to be a MSM blackout on what's going on (re: al qaeda) in Iraq and Afghanistan. Posted by: Seems legit at February 20, 2014 12:12 PM (A98Xu) Oh, it will bubble back up to the surface when a conservative becomes potus.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2014 08:13 AM (IXrOn)

272 I guess if a bunch of you marched up with shields and sticks and rocks to take over the Capitol or White House with the stated intention of throwing out the elected government, I'm thinking you would be fired on if non lethal force was not working.

Posted by: Vin Weasel at February 20, 2014 08:14 AM (ETWo2)

273
Radio Svoboda.

Heh.... my wife's maiden name....

Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2014 08:14 AM (nELVU)

274 It's strange how in the information age, with all the instant social media, it is still difficult to know if what is being reported is real or manipulated. Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at February 20, 2014 12:11 PM (RZ8pf) it's really bugging me a lot. as I have said a gazillion times how likely is it an averga e person can make an informed opinion.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2014 08:14 AM (nqBYe)

275 That doesn't mean that the world's only superpower should not stand up for Western values and against brutality, even if only in the form of moral support and condemnation. Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2014 11:57 AM (SY2Kh) What? John Kerry to the rescue? Really?

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 08:14 AM (x3YFz)

276 Ok I have a serious question, don't mean it snarky at all, is there ever a situation that you guys feel would justify a government firing on its civilians? Actual armed insurrection. Of course, at that point we no longer call them "civilians" we call them "rebels" or perhaps "freedom fighters."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 20, 2014 08:14 AM (PYAXX)

277 The Burning Times are nigh.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2014 08:15 AM (Xdn8D)

278 If only Sarah Palin were in the White House all would be well with the world.
Posted by: Froggy at February 20, 2014 11:55 AM
====
Hahaha. 

One of the things I enjoyed while watching "Iron Sky" was Stephanie Pauls' riff on Sarah Palin.  "It's OURS!"  Dayum.

Posted by: mrp at February 20, 2014 08:15 AM (JBggj)

279 There seems to be a MSM blackout on what's going on (re: al qaeda) in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hell, they don't even report half of what goes on in Washington.

Posted by: --- at February 20, 2014 08:15 AM (MMC8r)

280 @ 242 The Soros link: http://tinyurl.com/msvs4ut The Neo-Nazi connection: http://tinyurl.com/kb86v9n The truth will set you free.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 08:15 AM (Eimoe)

281 Heh.... my wife's maiden name....

Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2014 12:14 PM (nELVU)



Fixerupper's wife is a sleeper agent!



Posted by: EC at February 20, 2014 08:15 AM (GQ8sn)

282 Boycott the Olympics until Putin stops backing this government. It's not much, but it would slap Putin in the face, and frankly, I'm not sure a major power has ever done that before. Posted by: Merry Kerry at February 20, 2014 12:13 PM (Tlix5) Boycott? Boy, that was funny. We did that before and it didn't work then, won't work now. The only way to slap Putin's face is to send Mooch over there and bitch slap the mo-fo

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 20, 2014 08:15 AM (HVff2)

283 Lots of video, I haven't seen a protestor with a gun?

Posted by: A Southern Man at February 20, 2014 08:15 AM (3O720)

284 I'm sure the EUnichs will take care of this right away. The UN too. I mean when there's innocents being killed, if you can't count on the mighty UN who can you count on.

Posted by: Minnfidel at February 20, 2014 08:15 AM (/o+xv)

285 Keep in mind that the .gov is using paid thugs to be mixed in with the protesters to further instigate. Posted by: RWC at February 20, 2014 12:13 PM (fWAjv) right that is what i had read, Now i wish i'd bookmarked the info

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2014 08:15 AM (nqBYe)

286 If you support the protestors against their corrupt, proMoscow regime, go ahead, just don't claim they are "unarmed". "Outgunned", "outclassed", "underdogs", that would be accurate. "Unarmed" would be inaccurate, as they are toting a lethal weapon. Perhaps you are just ignorant of how effective a melee weapon a riot shield can be. It negates almost any nonlethal weapon such as those carried by cops to avoid using firearms; it can cover other people such as downed members of a violent mob; it covers arsonists from their own Molotov cocktails; and in a group of others with shields, it allows sheer weight to overwhelm a line of unshielded people, such as cops. My post was just a statement of fact. People with shields aren't unarmed. They came ready to tango. Or maybe you don't care and just enjoy the propaganda value of claiming your favorites are helpless victims, and only a "dick" would challenge that sentiment with mere facts?

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at February 20, 2014 08:16 AM (5xmd7)

287 I'd better do something about a regime's thugs shooting protesters Hey girls, let's go out for some ice cream!!

Posted by: King Barry the Good Daddy at February 20, 2014 08:16 AM (aTXUx)

288 221 Ok I have a serious question, don't mean it snarky at all, is there ever a situation that you guys feel would justify a government firing on its civilians? Shooting looters. Or rampaging mobs that threaten legitimate innocents. Those I can see, and the second is a very strained case. Dude, trust me, "Shoot to kill" stops a fucking riot. ASAP.

Posted by: Zombie Mayor Dailey Sr at February 20, 2014 08:16 AM (0FSuD)

289 John Kerry's little brain:  I think I've got one more rich widow in my future.  Peace Prize might help with that heh heh heh...

Posted by: microaggressor at February 20, 2014 08:16 AM (yhJhK)

290 I feel sorry for the people of the Ukraine. They lose no matter how this turns out.

They either become part of the Socialist Blood sucking EU from Brussels, or of course the Bloodsucking Imperialist Russians.

Posted by: Myron at February 20, 2014 08:16 AM (4WesI)

291 @ 270 These fools around here are just going by the propaganda fed to them. You are talking with a crowd who are hoping for a race war.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 08:16 AM (Eimoe)

292 Fixerupper's wife is a sleeper agent! Posted by: EC at February 20, 2014 12:15 PM (GQ8sn) Aren't we all at this point?

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 08:17 AM (x3YFz)

293 Is Kiev a chocolate city?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 08:17 AM (olDqf)

294 Burning , thanks for links , but it's difficult to take a link that originated info wars seriously.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2014 08:17 AM (nqBYe)

295 If Ukraine had lots and lots of lawyers this wouldn't be happening.

Posted by: microaggressor at February 20, 2014 08:17 AM (yhJhK)

296 great sources?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2014 08:17 AM (t3UFN)

297 i'm calling bullshit again with the unarmed protesters crap they are advancing on unarmed cops (the special police teams are armed, not the standard riot police) with sharpened sticks and iron bars watch the damn video Posted by: navycopjoe at February 20, 2014 12:13 PM (At8tV) You should probably read this: http://boingboing.net/ 2013/12/23/euromaidan-a-facebook-revolut.html (take the space out after .net/) Setups and provocateurs. The unarmed cops are meant to fall back and disperse, leaving advancing protestors in kill zones.

Posted by: grognard at February 20, 2014 08:17 AM (/29Nl)

298 Is Kiev a chocolate city? Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 12:17 PM (olDqf) Coffee. On. Screen. Clean up time, thanks J.J.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 20, 2014 08:18 AM (HVff2)

299 but it's difficult to take a link that originated info wars seriously. Info-wars thinks someone is Soros-backed and linked to Neo-Nazis? Color me stunned.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 20, 2014 08:18 AM (PYAXX)

300 Well, one thing is for sure. You can always count on the United States to hell freedom loving people. NOT

Posted by: Hugarian Freedom Fighers at February 20, 2014 08:18 AM (0FSuD)

301 It's strange how in the information age, with all the instant social media, it is still difficult to know if what is being reported is real or manipulated. Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at February 20, 2014 12:11 PM (RZ8pf) it's really bugging me a lot. as I have said a gazillion times how likely is it an averga e person can make an informed opinion. Posted by: willow at February 20, 2014 12:14 PM (nqBYe) I was thinking the same thing. Any medium can be manipulated, and even if not manipulated, controlled for what you see or don't see. It's the people behind the "news" and the delivery of "news." Stringed puppets.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2014 08:18 AM (IXrOn)

302 If only Sarah Palin were in the White House all would be well with the world.

Posted by: Froggy at February 20, 2014 11:55 AM (ogqPP)

 

???

Posted by: rich@gmu at February 20, 2014 08:18 AM (ga+7c)

303 You are talking with a crowd who are hoping for a race war. Scandi Sympathizer.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2014 08:18 AM (Xdn8D)

304 289 @ 270 These fools around here are just going by the propaganda fed to them. You are talking with a crowd who are hoping for a race war. Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 12:16 PM (Eimoe) That's so wrong on so many levels that I won't bother except to ask what democrat agency sent you here.

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 08:18 AM (x3YFz)

305 right that is what i had read, Now i wish i'd bookmarked the info Posted by: willow at February 20, 2014 12:15 PM (nqBYe) Not sure if it is the same one you read but this also has video of them 'arming up' the titushki. http://tinyurl.com/q2emake

Posted by: RWC at February 20, 2014 08:18 AM (fWAjv)

306 FRESH violence here, get your FRESH violence here!

Posted by: microaggressor at February 20, 2014 08:18 AM (yhJhK)

307 It's not just Soros, it's the reptilian shape shifting aliens manipulating the Russia. Currency that's got the Jewish brain control devices on the fritz. Totes serious you guys.

Posted by: Alex Jones at February 20, 2014 08:18 AM (Aif/5)

308 278 Interesting 'about us' pages on those sites.

Posted by: --- at February 20, 2014 08:19 AM (MMC8r)

309 Hey girls, let's go out for some ice cream!!

Great. Now the peasants are going think they should get to eat ice cream, too.

Posted by: Mooch at February 20, 2014 08:19 AM (ZKzrr)

310 Thanks to a friend, I now have the perfect reason for us Morons to travel to Mars.

*drum roll*
.
.
.
Muslim clerics have declared a fatwa saying anyone of the Faithful who go to Mars will go to Hell.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/177664

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 20, 2014 08:19 AM (QDvfw)

311 What kills me about Obama's foreign policy is that the only place in the entire world where Obama is concentrating on is the only place that is at relative peace - Israel.


I guess he intends on fixing that problem.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 20, 2014 08:19 AM (BZAd3)

312 If the protestors had guns the police wouldn't be standing in lines and capping rounds off from bridges and hilltops in clear view. Simple fact of life and ballistics. I don't need a news organization to analyze that for me. If the protestors were shooting back, the cops would be in cover.

Posted by: A Southern Man at February 20, 2014 08:19 AM (3O720)

313

Seven cops were killed on Wednesday, some of whom were burned to death when MOSTLY "peaceful protesters" set their vehicles on fire and trapped them inside.

FIFY

AOSHQ Style guide

Posted by: McCool at February 20, 2014 08:19 AM (nCSwS)

314 What difference, at this point, does it make!?!?!1/1!?!??

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 20, 2014 08:20 AM (GjPnA)

315 Dude, the protestors aren't gun owners. So uncool.

Huh? Posted by: Hollowpoint

(The protestors are not gun owners so they are uncool.)  Sorry.  Too vague.  I was trying to give a ridiculous reason for supporting the actions of the government troops in Ukraine.  "I'm going to side with the gun owners in this and every fight!"

Posted by: Dang at February 20, 2014 08:20 AM (MNq6o)

316 Wow, there are libs who still think Sarah Palin ran for President.  Weird, huh?

Posted by: microaggressor at February 20, 2014 08:20 AM (yhJhK)

317 Re: Bloody Sunday In some Protestant neighborhoods of Belfast there appeared a cold-blooded response to the 13 killed in the Catholic area of Bogside. Paras 13-Bogside 0 We've got one, we've got two, We've got thirteen more than you.

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 20, 2014 08:20 AM (LKJt3)

318 There's more at stake than the usual "protests for democracy" fable spun by the MSM. It's which crime family gets the gas lines, the EU or Putin The EU is a bureaucratic clusterfuck, but "crime family" is quite a stretch. The EU is as usual being feckless about the situation.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2014 08:20 AM (SY2Kh)

319 Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 12:15 PM (Eimoe) Yeah, the ads in the sidebar about Trooferism and copping tabloid stories are really liberating. I didn't follow your second bullshit link.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2014 08:20 AM (YbyjT)

320 >>>I'm sure the EUnichs will take care of this right away. The UN too. I mean when there's innocents being killed, if you can't count on the mighty UN who can you count on.

Posted by: Minnfidel at February 20, 2014 12:15 PM (/o+xv) <<<\

 

 

the sternly worded letter is in the mail.

Posted by: rich@gmu at February 20, 2014 08:20 AM (ga+7c)

321 Oh forgot to add, you can bat a guy in the head with the face of the shield til he goes down, then chop his arms with the edge til his neck and head is exposed, and then beat him to death. A balanced heavy shield is itself a weapon.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at February 20, 2014 08:20 AM (5xmd7)

322 291 Is Kiev a chocolate city? Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2014 12:17 PM (olDqf) Well, JJ it is certainly not "Himmie Town" Stalin and Hitler killed all the Jews.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 20, 2014 08:20 AM (0FSuD)

323 So Mars is looking better very day

Posted by: Jean at February 20, 2014 08:20 AM (3O720)

324 If only Sarah Palin were in the White House all would be well with the world.

Then go convince her to run.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 20, 2014 08:21 AM (YEelc)

325 Seven cops were killed on Wednesday, some of whom were burned to death when MOSTLY "peaceful protesters" set their vehicles on fire and trapped them inside. FIFY AOSHQ Style guide Posted by: McCool at February 20, 2014 12:19 PM (nCSwS) Protesters or the damned Ford Pinto? Inquiring minds gots to know.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 20, 2014 08:21 AM (HVff2)

326 55 If you can film a sniper, you can probably shoot a sniper. That is why we have the second amendment and I pity the countries that don't.

Posted by: Dang at February 20, 2014 11:37 AM (MNq6o)


The videos are a very solemn reminder of how fortunate we are, indeed, for the founding fathers' foresight.

Posted by: flounder at February 20, 2014 08:21 AM (Kkt/i)

327 On the protesters being funded - I have seen rumors on the internet that protesters (some?) are getting a monetary amount daily which is how they can afford to be in Maidan for months instead of working. So that rumor is out there. I kind of doubt it because if they do have funding I would think they'd have better weapons? Still, as willow's pointed out - very hard to know what's true.

Posted by: Votermom at February 20, 2014 08:21 AM (GSIDW)

328 Ok I have a serious question, don't mean it snarky at all, is there ever a situation that you guys feel would justify a government firing on its civilians?
Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at February 20, 2014 12:04 PM

==================

Only if the citizens oppose the President's health care law or global warming.

Posted by: Jay in PA at February 20, 2014 08:21 AM (3LaGb)

329 I didn't follow your second bullshit link. Go to their 'about us' page, scroll through reams of bullshit, and they eventually get around to saying they're 'lbertarian communists.' Whateverthefuckthatis.

Posted by: --- at February 20, 2014 08:22 AM (MMC8r)

330 278 @ 242

The Soros link:

http://tinyurl.com/msvs4ut

The Neo-Nazi connection:

http://tinyurl.com/kb86v9n

The truth will set you free.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 12:15 PM (Eimoe)


Yeah, impeccable source, complete with Illuminati conspiracy theories. And you should stop having conversations with your other socks, it makes you look psychotic.

Posted by: joncelli at February 20, 2014 08:22 AM (RD7QR)

331 the sternly worded letter is in the mail. Posted by: rich@gmu at February 20, 2014 12:20 PM (ga+7c) Don't forget the "red line"

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 08:22 AM (x3YFz)

332 319 Oh forgot to add, you can bat a guy in the head with the face of the shield til he goes down, then chop his arms with the edge til his neck and head is exposed, and then beat him to death. A balanced heavy shield is itself a weapon. Posted by: Chris_Balsz at February 20, 2014 12:20 PM (5xmd7) Regardless of your sScutum skills, AK > shield

Posted by: Jean at February 20, 2014 08:22 AM (3O720)

333 Yep Jean.  Mars or Bust.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 20, 2014 08:23 AM (QDvfw)

334 Yes but we have come to expect manipulation from the media. We are far more trusting of the "man on the street" reporting on situations, at least it seems to me we are (not talking about the Ukraine here, just in general). Yet time and again it has been proven that witnesses may not be able to accurately describe a situation right in front of them. And we have also seen in places like Palestine where the people themselves are manipulating the videos or audios for effect. It concerns me that we expect to teach "critical thinking" to our kids in order for them to be able to make better informed decisions, yet the very information itself may be flawed.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at February 20, 2014 08:23 AM (RZ8pf)

335 305 It's not just Soros, it's the reptilian shape shifting aliens manipulating the Russia. Currency that's got the Jewish brain control devices on the fritz. Totes serious you guys. I always say, the Reptilians are a much greater threat than The Greys. (That's what The Greys ordered me to say after the last time they abducted me.)

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 20, 2014 08:23 AM (7ObY1)

336 The regime’s use of “titushki” or government-paid thugs has reached an all-time low over recent weeks with titushki openly working together with Berkut riot police, as well as masking as Maidan defenders in order to provoke trouble or attack other activists RWC link. thanks Grognard also a nice link.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2014 08:23 AM (nqBYe)

337 These fools around here are just going by the propaganda fed to them. You are talking with a crowd who are hoping for a race war. Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 12:16 PM (Eimoe) But, you do the same. I'll be the first to admit it's hard to believe anything we read or see anymore. But, you argue your point as if it is right. Is it? Or, is it from propaganda fed to you from another source? I honestly do not know enough about what is going on out there.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2014 08:23 AM (IXrOn)

338 "I think it's time to put the hurt on Ukraine."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzLtF_PxbYw

Posted by: microaggressor at February 20, 2014 08:23 AM (yhJhK)

339 BlueStateRebel now receives 500 channels in HD when his Butt-Sat deploys?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 20, 2014 08:24 AM (QDvfw)

340 Why waste a good bottle of hooch on a Molotov cocktail? Just take a crap on the cop cars.

Posted by: Occutard at February 20, 2014 08:24 AM (YmPwQ)

341 316 The EU is Marxists. Nice pal you git there.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 08:24 AM (Eimoe)

342 Do you wingnutz think I can't weaponize a Martian Civilian Militia? Do you think I will not sic the Martian Parks Service on you? Do you think the Martian Revenue Service is going to give you wingnutz a pass?

Posted by: Da Preezy at February 20, 2014 08:24 AM (7ObY1)

343 Lunch & Hockey time bbl

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2014 08:25 AM (IXrOn)

344 In some good news for today, alQ is car bombing Iranians in Lebanon.

Posted by: Jean at February 20, 2014 08:25 AM (3O720)

345 I'm glad to see that most here are considering whether the videos show what is truly going on.  Shows that y'all taking the time to form your opinions.

Posted by: Draki at February 20, 2014 08:25 AM (L8r/r)

346 You are talking with a crowd who are hoping for a race war. Troll much?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2014 08:25 AM (XyM/Y)

347 I honestly do not know enough about what is going on out there. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 20, 2014 12:23 PM (IXrOn) Darlin, he's essentially calling us all knuckledragging redneck racists.

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 08:25 AM (x3YFz)

348 Whether this is a protest or a civil war, why does anyone from outside the country have to do 'something'?  That's a serious (or syrias) question. Legitimately trying to understand why.  I can see where countries that share borders would have an interest in seeing it resolved quickly as to avoid spillage. I would think that outside interference is what would escalate these situations. 

Why the concern for the Ukraine and not Thailand or Venezula or the Ivory Coast or the countless other protest/civil wars?

I guess I just want someone to tell me why this is in my/our best interest to mediate or get involved.



Posted by: Usedtocould at February 20, 2014 08:25 AM (Q5wIZ)

349 The EU is Marxists. Nice pal you git there. Check is in mail.

Posted by: Vlad at February 20, 2014 08:26 AM (MMC8r)

350 Oh forgot to add, you can bat a guy in the head with the face of the shield til he goes down, then chop his arms with the edge til his neck and head is exposed, and then beat him to death. A balanced heavy shield is itself a weapon. Posted by: Chris_Balsz
........
You're an idiot.  Those are home made shields.  too short.. and some don't look like they would stop a .22 much less something larger.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 20, 2014 08:26 AM (Z7PrM)

351 337 BlueStateRebel now receives 500 channels in HD when his Butt-Sat deploys? Yeah but they turned my innie into an outie for some unfathomable reason, so it's a trade-off. At least there was no probing, so there's that.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 20, 2014 08:26 AM (7ObY1)

352 Remember two rules from the AOSHQ Style book.

All troolls are Avg Joe.

Don't feed the troolls.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 20, 2014 08:26 AM (QDvfw)

353 In Venezuela you have a genuine pro freedom protest and none of you are saying anything about it.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 08:26 AM (Eimoe)

354 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/177664

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 20, 2014 12:19 PM (QDvfw)


And here I was thinking that Mars would be the perfect place for Muzzies to emigrate to.  Still, maybe we could get another 'cleric' to issue a fatwa against the first idiot fatwa issuer.  None of them seem to have any problem killing each other.  Just sayin'

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 20, 2014 08:26 AM (BZAd3)

355 I don't know who is right or wrong regarding the political argument over there. Really don't give a flying fuck either. As long as it doesn't effect the USA. For us to speculate who is prim and proper and who the villain is, is ridiculous. However, shooting unarmed (contrary to NCJ's assertion) is wrong, plain fucking wrong. There are other ways to break it up. Tear gas, water cannons a Justin Bieber concert.........

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 20, 2014 08:26 AM (HVff2)

356 This is just like what happened to Trayvon.  Just minding his own business and a white guy in a tank comes along and kills him for no reason.

Posted by: microaggressor at February 20, 2014 08:27 AM (yhJhK)

357 The Neo-Nazi connection: http://tinyurl.com/kb86v9n The truth will set you free. Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 12:15 PM (Eimoe) Bullshit. That has been debunked so thoroughly at reputable sites unlike your links. For example http://tinyurl.com/l7wg87h

Posted by: RWC at February 20, 2014 08:27 AM (fWAjv)

358 This will not happen here. By 2012, Obama had shown his hand, and he was re-elected. Whether the 52% are ignorant or just down with the dictatorship, they won't support an insurrection. They don't even support GOP "opposition". Any armed action would be put down hard, and the second amendment would be GONE.

Posted by: whoever at February 20, 2014 08:27 AM (kGSN0)

359 Darlin, he's essentially calling us all knuckledragging redneck racists. Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 12:25 PM (x3YFz) Well personally I take that as a compliment, but the troll pretty much showed who and what he is with those links. Best to ignore it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2014 08:27 AM (t3UFN)

360 I'm sure the EUnichs will take care of this right away.

They're still debating sanctions.

Interesting profile at Der Spiegel of the Klitschko brothers, which won't tell you exactly what's going on in Kiev or help you pick a side, but was interesting.  John Kerry makes an appearance as an impotent douchebag, not that he's been anything else in his term as SecState.

http://is.gd/rNvYVn

Posted by: Mooch at February 20, 2014 08:28 AM (ZKzrr)

361 Hypocrite bully sock off.

Posted by: HR at February 20, 2014 08:28 AM (ZKzrr)

362 @346 The only reason the people around here care about the Ukraine is becasue the people are white. You have Non whites protesting, they could care less.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 08:28 AM (Eimoe)

363 Is Infowars closed today or something?

Posted by: --- at February 20, 2014 08:28 AM (MMC8r)

364 342 In some good news for today, alQ is car bombing Iranians in Lebanon.

Posted by: Jean at February 20, 2014 12:25 PM (3O720)


Ah, when everything is spinning out of control it's nice to see that Sunnis still hate Shiites and vice-versa.

Posted by: joncelli at February 20, 2014 08:28 AM (RD7QR)

365 Posted by: Chris_Balsz at February 20, 2014 12:20 PM (5xmd7) By your definition, a key-chain is a weapon. So is a mettle trashcan lid. Yes, the violence has been escalating. Yes, the protesters had riot-shields (where'd they get them, btw?). That's not "armed" for the normal definition thereof. At least ncj is pointing out that some in the crowd (agent provocateur or not) had actual weapons, however minimal (spears, etc.). Me? I don't know who to root against here. I do know that in a world with a strong America, this would be more likely to be settled relatively peacefully.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 20, 2014 08:28 AM (PYAXX)

366 a Justin Bieber concert......... Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 20, 2014 12:26 PM (HVff2) I'll take the shooting, thanks.

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 08:28 AM (x3YFz)

367 okay, read it dude lost all sympathy from me when he decided to leave the firebombs in the car but not the cobblestones and prybars cause he wasn't an extremist

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 20, 2014 08:28 AM (At8tV)

368 For what is is worth US-Canada vimens hockey live on NBC

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 20, 2014 08:28 AM (t3UFN)

369 Hector, you douche, howzit hangin?

Posted by: --- at February 20, 2014 08:29 AM (MMC8r)

370 @ 357 The truth hurts does it not?

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 08:29 AM (Eimoe)

371 yeah Venezuela is also a big worry. still differentiating between real and propaganda has become such an issue with information . It's the all these countries at once that bugs me if there is a general agitation happening from others.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2014 08:30 AM (nqBYe)

372 @346 What this is is another example of the failure of Obama's foreign policy. You should be very worried that no one gives a shit about what the USA does or doesn't do. The world does not live in a vacuum. Putin has already sucked up Syria and as soon as the Olympics are over he will end the Ukrainian "problem" Obama is simple not at home. This is when wars start. Someone steps over the line and it's on. We can only pray Val gets pissed off and does something. Barry won't.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 20, 2014 08:30 AM (0FSuD)

373 Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 12:28 PM (x3YFz) could be worse, could be a date with Lady Gaga time to go, time to go to work,

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 20, 2014 08:30 AM (HVff2)

374

138: "Given that it's not a weapon, yes, you are "unarmed"."

 

A quick visit to your local SCA will disabuse of of that foolish notion quick, fast, and in a hurry.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 20, 2014 08:30 AM (Kh+vp)

375 okay, whoever is doing the lethal killing machine shields has been playing to much COD MW2 I've actually used the damn things, you're not killing anyone with them

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 20, 2014 08:31 AM (At8tV)

376 351 In Venezuela you have a genuine pro freedom protest and none of you are saying anything about it.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 12:26 PM (Eimoe)


Sigh. Come on guys, the libertarian troll is playing us. There's nothing that can be debated with him.

Posted by: joncelli at February 20, 2014 08:31 AM (RD7QR)

377 The funny part is he thinks he's the first Troll Ever on AoS and that he's "clever." I've wiped my ass with smarter trolls.

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 08:31 AM (x3YFz)

378 nope fuck them Posted by: navycopjoe that's your reaction to people being killed at a distance? the scary part is that you were a cop.

Posted by: X at February 20, 2014 08:31 AM (KHo8t)

379 look, i have issues with the media because of how the tea party was protrayed , and the reality of just wanting to not be tax'd into poverty or the govt breathing down ebveryones neck. so, the information is a big fkn deal. and propaganda worked here . so.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2014 08:32 AM (nqBYe)

380 I could effectively kill you with a large ceramic penis too, but that doesn't mean I'm considered armed by any traditional definition.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2014 08:32 AM (YbyjT)

381 Last I heard, we have two USN vessels in the Black Sea, the McKinley and a frigate that ran aground and suffered some prop damage. The Russians really hate losing the Ukraine.

Posted by: mrp at February 20, 2014 08:32 AM (JBggj)

382 #367


Yep

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 20, 2014 08:32 AM (2RiXU)

383 ...but I'm a guy and I enjoy going all honey badger. It's a hoot. So let him continue.

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 08:33 AM (x3YFz)

384 "The truth shall set you free" One of those signal phrases that lets you know everything that guy just said is bullshit.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2014 08:33 AM (YbyjT)

385 376 lets see watch protesters set unarmed cops on fire or use iron bars against them.....or shoot their dumb asses i'll side with the cops

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 20, 2014 08:33 AM (At8tV)

386 @ 355 Read about the Svoboda Party and get back to me.

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 08:34 AM (Eimoe)

387 Why the concern for the Ukraine and not Thailand or Venezula or the Ivory Coast or the countless other protest/civil wars? There is concern from those who think deeply about these things. No--not those guys. In addition, Ukraine directly borders four NATO allies.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 20, 2014 08:34 AM (659DL)

388 btw, nood up

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 20, 2014 08:34 AM (At8tV)

389 378 I could effectively kill you with a large ceramic penis too, but that doesn't mean I'm considered armed by any traditional definition. Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2014 12:32 PM (YbyjT) I, for one, am officially frightened by the words "ceramic penis" You win.

Posted by: tangonine (Entropy sucks) at February 20, 2014 08:35 AM (x3YFz)

390 Can we get Mary Cloggenstein in here? At least she's entertaining.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2014 08:35 AM (YbyjT)

391 ... I can not tell you how important it was to the peace of the world that the President of the United States, whether it was President Eisenhower or President Kennedy, or now President Johnson, be believed when they say to the other side: "Gentlemen, this you must not do." Because, if we ever get to a point where that simple statement is not believed, then I don't know where the future and the safety of this country is, or that possibilities of general peace would exist.

Secretary of State Dean Rusk.  Senate Foreign Relations Committee. February18, 1966.
***
I would say we have reached the point Dean Rusk feared in his testimony.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 20, 2014 08:36 AM (QDvfw)

392 >>watch protesters set unarmed cops on fire or use iron bars against them.....or shoot their dumb asses You're not giving an accurate representation of what is going. I'm watching this live on the tube. In some places the riot police have been withdrawn and been replaced by snipers who are firing on the protesters from building or other protected areas. There are no police to catch on fire or to use on iron bar on. And they are also using automatic weapons. Sorry, they have other less lethal weapons that can be used.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 20, 2014 08:37 AM (/miWO)

393 The EU is offering visa bans and asset freezes, how about thousands of mauser actions?

Posted by: Jean at February 20, 2014 08:37 AM (3O720)

394 Oh forgot to add, you can bat a guy in the head with the face of the shield til he goes down, then chop his arms with the edge til his neck and head is exposed, and then beat him to death. A balanced heavy shield is itself a weapon. Posted by: Chris_Balsz You're an idiot. Those are home made shields. too short.. and some don't look like they would stop a .22 much less something larger. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 20, 2014 12:26 PM (Z7PrM) Best weapon for protesters; Longbow or Crossbow?

Posted by: Cause of the AoSHQ civil war at February 20, 2014 08:38 AM (aTXUx)

395 351 In Venezuela you have a genuine pro freedom protest and none of you are saying anything about it. Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 12:26 PM (Eimoe) Who left their toddlers unattended?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 20, 2014 08:38 AM (mQx5k)

396

378*

 

Yes,, go on.... 

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 20, 2014 08:38 AM (GjPnA)

397 Oh forgot to add, you can bat a guy in the head with the face of the shield til he goes down, then chop his arms with the edge til his neck and head is exposed, and then beat him to death. A balanced heavy shield is itself a weapon.
Posted by: Chris_Balsz

A friend of mine,  because of his military training,  can beat a person to death with a rolled up magazine.  So everyone thumbing through magazines at the bookstore is armed.  Yeah...

Posted by: Dang at February 20, 2014 08:38 AM (MNq6o)

398 The truth hurts does it not?

Posted by: Burning at February 20, 2014 12:29 PM (Eimoe)

 

 

That's what SHE said... upon confronting Burning with his crippling impotency.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at February 20, 2014 08:39 AM (4df7R)

399 390 You're not giving an accurate representation of what is going you are in Europe with the bbc i'm in hawaiistan with bloggers make halfassed wild assumptions is the best I can do

Posted by: navycopjoe killing with his ninja killing shield at February 20, 2014 08:39 AM (At8tV)

400 379 Last I heard, we have two USN vessels in the Black Sea, the McKinley and a frigate that ran aground and suffered some prop damage. The Russians really hate losing the Ukraine. Posted by: mrp at February 20, 2014 12:32 PM (JBggj) The Russians will not loose the Ukraine. At best, the ending is an east-west partition along ethnic/Russian speaking lines. The Russkies keep zsvestapol. That goes back to the czars.

Posted by: Jean at February 20, 2014 08:40 AM (3O720)

401 Reports that the legendary WWII super soldier prototype from WW2, Stefen Rogersinski has been spotted among the protestors!

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 20, 2014 08:40 AM (ZshNr)

402 Anyone who thinks they know exactly what's going on is being ridiculously naive.

Posted by: Adam at February 20, 2014 08:40 AM (Aif/5)

403 Jack are you able to link the news you are watching?

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2014 08:40 AM (nqBYe)

404 In addition, Ukraine directly borders four NATO allies. And we're talking about being dragged back in to a Soviet (now Putin) satellite status.

Posted by: --- at February 20, 2014 08:43 AM (MMC8r)

405 399 Stefen Rogersinski that's Aaron Rodgers straight cousin, right?

Posted by: navycopjoe killing with his ninja killing shield at February 20, 2014 08:44 AM (At8tV)

406

Wait, so the troll used Infowars as his source? 

 

 

HAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2014 08:44 AM (LI48c)

407 400 Anyone who thinks they know exactly what's going on is being ridiculously naive. Posted by: Adam at February 20, 2014 12:40 PM (Aif/5) I know precisely what is going on. I am sitting here, typing on a keyboard, staring at a monitor, drinking a beer and contemplating a ridiculously long fapping session to Jordan Carver. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 20, 2014 08:45 AM (mQx5k)

408 Let me know if the Romans sent a guy into the arena against a trident with nothing but a rolled up magazine or a keychain* for a interesting demonstration of skill. A balanced shield is a weapon. *Ceramic penis, I dunno. That one's a question mark. Those emperors could get weird.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at February 20, 2014 08:46 AM (5xmd7)

409 401 Jack are you able to link the news you are watching? Posted by: willow at February 20, 2014 12:40 PM (nqBYe) Check 'Legal Insurrection' - they have a live stream going.

Posted by: RWC at February 20, 2014 08:47 AM (fWAjv)

410 >>Best weapon for protesters; Longbow or Crossbow? Longbow. The opportunities for effective fire are too fleeting to reload a crossbow. You need to get in multiple shots and then bounce out of sight before you're shot down.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at February 20, 2014 08:49 AM (5xmd7)

411 Ain't no Party like a Svoboda Party, cuz a Svoboda Party don't stop...

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 20, 2014 08:49 AM (ZshNr)

412 Why the concern for the Ukraine and not Thailand or Venezula or the Ivory Coast or the countless other protest/civil wars?

I, at least, are concerned about Thailand and Venezuela (where the violence is being done by Putin's Proxies the same as in Ukraine) as well. It's just your lying ass strawman troll that we don't.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at February 20, 2014 08:49 AM (kwc/t)

413 98ZJUSMC, got to despise that type of reasoning.  Since we lack 100% omnipotence we, the US and Western world, should no nothing.  Not even call for both sides to chill out. 

"Whats a few huts in Manchuria?  What so special about the Sudentenland?'

And then the fools act all shocked when things spin out of control and burn the whole world.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 20, 2014 08:49 AM (QDvfw)

414 "Let me know if the Romans sent a guy into the arena against a trident with nothing but a rolled up magazine or a keychain* for a interesting demonstration of skill. A balanced shield is a weapon." Just as soon as you let us know how many Roman gladiators are leading the charge on the streets of Kiev.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2014 08:51 AM (YbyjT)

415 The Russians will not loose the Ukraine. At best, the ending is an east-west partition along ethnic/Russian speaking lines. The Russkies keep zsvestapol. That goes back to the czars. Posted by: Jean at February 20, 2014 12:40 PM
===
I wasn't clear.  I was referring to the country's  status since independence.

Posted by: mrp at February 20, 2014 08:53 AM (JBggj)

416 >>Just as soon as you let us know how many Roman gladiators are leading the charge on the streets of Kiev. Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2014 12:51 PM (YbyjT) Thus proving the guys holding weapons are in fact "unarmed".

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at February 20, 2014 08:54 AM (5xmd7)

417 Crap load of live feeds. May have trouble loading though. http://tinyurl.com/nlq2bh8

Posted by: RWC at February 20, 2014 08:55 AM (fWAjv)

418 Anyone who thinks they know exactly what's going on is being ridiculously naive.

Posted by: Adam at February 20, 2014 12:40 PM (Aif/5)



Well yes; given a choice between going with the Rooskis versus the EU is like a turd sammich against a diarrhea melt.  The area has been hammered by the boot of tyranny for over half a century so we don't know what the mindset of anybody who knows nothing else would be.  But we can acknowledge that there are deep differences and that at least some people are yearning for the type of life which we take for granted.  I'm guessing most of them are on the side of the protestors.  I'm willing to go so far as to call that an educated guess.  But what you want versus what you get may not line up so well.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 20, 2014 08:56 AM (2RiXU)

419 thank you RWC i am watching now.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2014 08:58 AM (nqBYe)

420 Good one,  RWC.  Thanks.

Posted by: Dang at February 20, 2014 09:03 AM (MNq6o)

421 And Putin said that he was going to send an envoy. If I interpret that correctly, his envoy would be a Guards armored division.

Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at February 20, 2014 09:07 AM (RQDhf)

422

91     " is all yahoo apocalyptic talk. Their wet dreams are all about race riots and another Civil War this time their side will win (so they think)."

 

 

Um. No. but thanks for playing.

 

 Race riots? Syrias? You sound like you work for Obama or MSNBC.

 

What exactly do you think will happen when the economy crashes and the FSA can't get their stuff? 

"That which can't ontinue, won't"

-- Glenn Reynolds

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at February 20, 2014 09:11 AM (znT2j)

423 That's what nuclear weapons are for. Wow. Just wow. That's face palm worthy. Nukes will keep the Russian bear in check how? In case you're unaware, we're not going to drop nukes until there's no helping it, or we've been attacked in kind. Go read this: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/371300/lessons-world-war-i-victor-davis-hanson Pull quote: One of the lessons of the outbreak of World War I is the importance of perceptions. At some point in 1914 the German military and diplomatic community concluded that the country not only could pull off a successful lightning strike against France, but could do so without starting a world war — given various events over the prior decades.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at February 20, 2014 09:16 AM (1hM1d)

424 One thing's for sure. When the shit goes down here, don't expect any sympathy or support from the outside world. We'll be on our own.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2014 09:26 AM (zoehZ)

425 I tend to non-schizophrenically care about one international crisis at a time. Yesterday Venezuela. Today Ukraine. Maybe tomorrow the death camps of North Korea. Jihad affects dozens of nations so it is tough not to notice that daily. Such a classic troll move: "if you don't change the subject, racism!"

Posted by: Beagle at February 20, 2014 09:26 AM (sOtz/)

426 "One of the lessons of the outbreak of World War I is the importance of perceptions. At some point in 1914 the German military and diplomatic community concluded that the country not only could pull off a successful lightning strike against France, but could do so without starting a world war — given various events over the prior decades. " No! AS PART OF A WORLD WAR, Germany would knock out France in the first summer and have time and manpower to defeat Russia's superior armies in the East. AVOIDING a big war was no part of their vision. They saw one coming and meant to win it once and for all.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at February 20, 2014 09:33 AM (5xmd7)

427 Yikes! Kiev = circa 1970 Kent State?

Posted by: My 2cents. at February 20, 2014 10:26 AM (vHlQ5)

428 Don't have anything to add to the thread, just noting that I generally agree with hollowpoint, which is rare enough I consider it noteworthy

Posted by: Methos at February 20, 2014 11:03 AM (hO9ad)

429 JJ Sefton @ 39-
There is no doubt in my mind that the jihadi countries have EMP capabilities. The frigging oil kingdoms are supporting them in every way, too. Sunnis and Shia will all be one big happy caliphate family. And we will have to claw our way back from the damage with mid-eighteenth century weapons tech. Our government has not clue one, either. Damnit!

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