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February 24, 2014

True Detective Chat Thread
— Ace

Because people are talking about it in the Open Thread, and maybe some people don't want to have it spoiled, and maybe people generally don't want to hear about ritual murder, sexual abuse, and sodomy in the Open Thread.

By the way: I'm pretty sure Justified returns tonight, with its penultimate* episode.

* "Penultimate" means "very well written."

Nope, I was wrong. It returns tomorrow. It's been off so long I forget.

Posted by: Ace at 02:48 PM | Comments (129)
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1 Justified' tomorrow.

Posted by: Adam at February 24, 2014 03:19 PM (Aif/5)

2 >>> Justified' tomorrow. damnit.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 03:19 PM (/FnUH)

3 people generally don't want to hear about ritual murder, sexual abuse, and sodomy in the Open Thread.

Unless some evil moron(ette) reposts more Dead Or Alive videos in here.

*glares*

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 24, 2014 03:20 PM (30eLQ)

4 Regarding Justified, does anyone know if this is the last season or if there will be one more?

Posted by: Adam at February 24, 2014 03:21 PM (Aif/5)

5 >>>By the way: I'm pretty sure Justified returns tonight<<<

You broke my heart, Ace.

Posted by: Chief Deputy U.S. Marshal Art Mullen at February 24, 2014 03:22 PM (UIxS+)

6 Heh, rather quiet in here...

I'm officially off the "Woody is one of the killers" kick.

Oh, and the other day I said "they're making it seem like the big rift between Woody and Cohle is over Woody's wife, but I think that's just a feint."

Oh for 2, that makes me.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 24, 2014 03:22 PM (BeSEI)

7 4 -

I could swear the announcement was the season after this would be the last.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 24, 2014 03:23 PM (BeSEI)

8 Love the acting and moody atmosphere, but the treatment of the female characters is poor. Most of the females are either sex toys, crime victims or a cheated upon spouse who seeks redemption by sleeping with her husband's partner. Harrelson is as good as I've seen him in a dramatic role as a hypocrite who preaches family values but cannot help his misogynistic treatment of women (either as sex partners or the abuse he heaps on his wife and rebellious daughter) and McConaughey is amazing as an introspective misanthrope. Really compelling TV.

Posted by: proudvastrightwingconspirator at February 24, 2014 03:23 PM (VIo0S)

9 My "euthanasia cult" theory is certainly wrong in the overall picture. I've read some interviews with the writer, and he keeps referring to his "serial killer." He also seems dismissive of the idea that he's trying to trick you, and seems to think that that's a cheap way for a TV show to generate an effect. However, I'm pretty sure the killer's MOTIVE is about this, euthanasia, return to a state of obliviousness/non-consciousness.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 03:24 PM (/FnUH)

10 >>>Regarding Justified, does anyone know if this is the last season or if there will be one more? this is it.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 03:25 PM (/FnUH)

11 Oh for 2, that makes me. Posted by: BurtTC at February 24, 2014 07:22 PM (BeSEI) Frankly, when they had the girl calling Hart up and begging him to enter her in a non-traditional way, you had to have realized they were certainly going to go there.

Posted by: CAC at February 24, 2014 03:26 PM (UXoXX)

12 Actually, "penultimate" means 'second to the last'. Just saying....

Posted by: proudvastrightwingconspirator at February 24, 2014 03:27 PM (VIo0S)

13 That lady raped Coehle.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 24, 2014 03:28 PM (6Nj7A)

14 **from wiki**

On January 14, 2014, FX Network CEO John Landgraf
confirmed that the show was renewed for a sixth season, which will be
its last. The decision was made based on a decision from Graham Yost and
star Timothy Olyphant

Posted by: Hate Miser at February 24, 2014 03:28 PM (UIxS+)

15 True Detective theme song: Mumble mumble shadow. Mumble mumble trees and shit. Mumble mumble mumble.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 24, 2014 03:29 PM (E+uky)

16 I don't consider Harrelson that good of an actor. He always has a "I'm taking a shit" look on his face.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 24, 2014 03:29 PM (6Nj7A)

17 8 -

There's that feminist thing out there, about how few movies have something like 5 named female characters, or where female characters are allowed to have conversations about anything other than men... or whatever it is. Google it.

Anyhoo, here's the thing: stories, there really aren't that many. And for a story to have dramatic effect, there needs to be tension. Well, nobody's really interested in the tension of women, which is all about shoes and who's saying what behind whomever's back, or periods and such.

Murder, fighting, lying, yelling, breaking the law, upholding the law, etc?

That's man's stuff.

Sorry, it just is. That's why female characters are limited as they are.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 24, 2014 03:30 PM (BeSEI)

18 Found this at wiki that says Justified will have one more season. http://tinyurl.com/k3exoe9 As for True Detective, I've never been unfaithful to anyone I've been in a relationship with, but if that girl called me and said that to me, well, let's just say it would be hard. To resist I mean.

Posted by: Adam at February 24, 2014 03:31 PM (Aif/5)

19 BTW, after dismissing everyone who said "The Lawnmower Man" is the killer, he's now my Top Suspect. I believe that the Lawnmower Man saw these kids being abused, and out of a bizarre (and deadly) desire to release them from their pain (possibly because he himself did not stop the abuse when he saw it), he is executing what he thinks are "Mercy Killings."

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 03:31 PM (/FnUH)

20 How many "devil catchers" do you have lying around your apartment, Ace?

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 24, 2014 03:31 PM (6Nj7A)

21 ah okay good! One more season of Justified, then!

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 03:32 PM (/FnUH)

22 19 BTW, after dismissing everyone who said "The Lawnmower Man" is the killer, he's now my Top Suspect. I believe that the Lawnmower Man saw these kids being abused, and out of a bizarre (and deadly) desire to release them from their pain (possibly because he himself did not stop the abuse when he saw it), he is executing what he thinks are "Mercy Killings." Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 07:31 PM (/FnUH) Say what? The girl with the antlers was not a kid. The girl floating in the bayou was also not a kid. And didn't the little girl who survived say the guy had scars on his face? Did lawnmower man have scars? I don't think so.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 24, 2014 03:33 PM (6Nj7A)

23 On my lawnmower man theory: So the abuse "cult" (really just a ring of pedophiles) and the Killer are not *directly* connected, in my theory. The Killer is cleaning up after the latter, but out of misplaced sense of "doing right."

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 03:34 PM (/FnUH)

24 >>>ay what? The girl with the antlers was not a kid. The girl floating in the bayou was also not a kid. And didn't the little girl who survived say the guy had scars on his face? Did lawnmower man have scars? I don't think so. the girl with antlers was a kid when she attended that school which was funded by Tuttle, the one at which kids were molested.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 03:34 PM (/FnUH)

25 11 -

The giveaway was when they had the modern day detectives call her in for questioning.

And as an aside, I find it hard to believe these smoking hot young ladies are so into Woody.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 24, 2014 03:34 PM (BeSEI)

But Ace...the Lawnmower man was apparently one of the abusers.

Isn't that what the girl said? ...The one that started screaming after Cohle asked her to remember what she could?

Posted by: wheatie at February 24, 2014 03:35 PM (DEUoo)

27 >>>Isn't that what the girl said? ...The one that started screaming after Cohle asked her to remember what she could? hm. well if you're going to demand FACTS you're just being unreasonable.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 03:35 PM (/FnUH)

28 >>>How many "devil catchers" do you have lying around your apartment, Ace? only four. why? too many?

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 03:36 PM (/FnUH)

29 23 On my lawnmower man theory: So the abuse "cult" (really just a ring of pedophiles) and the Killer are not *directly* connected, in my theory. The Killer is cleaning up after the latter, but out of misplaced sense of "doing right." Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 07:34 PM (/FnUH) This is pretty convoluted. You are saying someone is killing kids and someone is killing the people who are killing kids? Let's be honest: it's got to Tuttle because of religion and all that.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 24, 2014 03:37 PM (6Nj7A)

30 >>>You are saying someone is killing kids and someone is killing the people who are killing kids? no I'm saying someone is molesting kids and someone aware of this (such as the priest who tried to bring it to people's attention) is killing the kids, now adults, to release them from the sexual-dysfunction-and-drugs hell they're now living in.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 03:38 PM (/FnUH)

31 26 -

She didn't exactly say it was lawnmower man. I'm wondering if scarface is wearing a mask, as opposed to having actual scars on his face.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 24, 2014 03:38 PM (BeSEI)

32 >>> I'm wondering if scarface is wearing a mask, as opposed to having actual scars on his face. he could be wearing some kind of Courirs de Mardi Gras mask. All the members of the pedophilia ring might be, so the kids can't identify them.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 03:39 PM (/FnUH)

33 I haven't seen the show but it sure sounds intriguing. What happens in season two? Are they running with the same theme or is it going to be a totally different storyline? I heard they'll get two different actors to star in the next season.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 24, 2014 03:39 PM (oFCZn)

34 Pictures on google are pretty poor but it does look like Lawnmower mans face is pretty scarred.

Posted by: Adam at February 24, 2014 03:39 PM (Aif/5)

35 Does the lawnmower guy have scars on his face? Because that was what the little girl who was screaming said -- the third person was a guy with scars on his face. She did not say it was the guy who cut the grass. If she did, then it was Marty who we all know enjoys cutting his own lawn, dammit!

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 24, 2014 03:40 PM (6Nj7A)

36 If it wasn't for drugs being illegal, there would basically be no reason for "Justified." Just sayin'

Posted by: Smilin' Jack at February 24, 2014 03:40 PM (Xzj0B)

37 >>>Actually, "penultimate" means 'second to the last'. Just saying.... twas a joke. I misdefine words a lot. It's a running schtick.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 03:41 PM (/FnUH)

38 33 -

That would be interesting. Or do an "American Horror Story" gig, where you get the same actors from season to season, put them in completely different stories, with completely different characters.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 24, 2014 03:41 PM (BeSEI)

39 Oh, and dhimmitude.

Posted by: Smilin' Jack at February 24, 2014 03:41 PM (Xzj0B)

Ace...have you watched that "The Making Of" vid that's loaded into OnDemand with the episodes.

It's very criptic.

You know how, in almost every scene...they show 'industrialization' in the background?

They also mention Hurricanes quite a bit.

In that vid, Pazzoletta, the writer/producer, mentions how important 'the landscape' is in this.

I posted about this in the other thread yesterday, the old thread, before I watched Ep. 6.

And there are only 2 episodes left?

Wtf?

Posted by: wheatie at February 24, 2014 03:41 PM (DEUoo)

41 No doubt, if you legalized all drugs I'd just go back to workin the mines.

Posted by: Boyd Crowder at February 24, 2014 03:41 PM (Aif/5)

42 don't laugh but I only have access to the first two episodes. ...jumped for joy for further discussion, ty

Posted by: concrete girl at February 24, 2014 03:44 PM (EzbEY)

43 Tuttle is definitely in on it. It was Cohle who broke into Tuttles house and took something. My guess it is the tape he shows Hart in next weeks preview. Whoever else is in the cult made Tuttle commit suicide, just like the guy in the cell and the Rev. that Rust interviewed. And yes, I have never cheated, but damn. It's not even right making a call like that.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 24, 2014 03:45 PM (XNNr5)

44 >>>Whoever else is in the cult made Tuttle commit suicide, just like the guy in the cell and the Rev. that Rust interviewed. Cohle might've made Tuttle "commit suicide."

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 03:47 PM (/FnUH)

45 @32 Was it in next weeks preview Rust says they all dress like animals? I forget.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 24, 2014 03:47 PM (XNNr5)

46 What I found strange is that there are hardly any black people in it. Sure, there is that gang in episode 4, but Louisiana is a third black.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 24, 2014 03:48 PM (6Nj7A)

47 @44 It's possible, but it depends on the timing. I think the break in happened somewhat before the od. Also from the preview it looks like he had some help on the break in

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 24, 2014 03:49 PM (XNNr5)

48 44 -

As we saw, Cohle is pretty good at putting people in a frame of mind where suicide sure seems like a viable option.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 24, 2014 03:49 PM (BeSEI)

49 "33 I haven't seen the show but it sure sounds intriguing. What happens in season two? Are they running with the same theme or is it going to be a totally different storyline? I heard they'll get two different actors to star in the next season." Definitely a different storyline (meaning completely new characters, plot and setting), but nobody knows yet about the actors. The rumor is that the delay in officially announcing a second season (which HBO does usually after a 2nd or 3rd episode) is because they are waiting until they have the talent confirmed. One thing that people miss about this show is that every episode is directed by the same person, which is uncommon on TV. They are likely seeking out a topline director to help lure A-list stars, unless McConaghey and Harrleson decide that they want to return for a new story.

Posted by: Synnerman at February 24, 2014 03:50 PM (0Bdlg)

50 I have to admit I am hooked on Justified. Boyd is my favorite criminal. And I flat out love Raylan and his "situations."

Also up for recording this week: Rizzoli (yeah, lame at times), Vikings (as I don't have enough murder and mayhem in my life) and NCIS-LA just because I like this one. Bite moi.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Duchess of Something at February 24, 2014 03:50 PM (baL2B)

51 "46 What I found strange is that there are hardly any black people in it. Sure, there is that gang in episode 4, but Louisiana is a third black." Actually, that is the change between '95 and '12. The police department is almost entirely white in '95, but in '12 completely black. It shows how the demo changed in the years between.

Posted by: Synnerman at February 24, 2014 03:51 PM (0Bdlg)

52 I missed badly on thinking the tent preacher was involved. The thing that's got me is the opening to episode 1 - I still think this is Cohle dragging the body of one of the killersin the present day, and not the killer of Dora Lange in 1995.

I also thought Cohle would be able to rebuff Maggie when it seemed the two would get together in the episode trailer, but I've liked Michelle Monaghan since Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, so it's hard to blame him on that.

Posted by: FoxHunt at February 24, 2014 03:53 PM (lzEri)

53 One thing evident from the preview is that we will likely know what is going on with Marty's daughter. The promo shows Cohle staring straight ahead as Marty watches something on a TV screen and lets out some anguished scream (like a rape tape or something pornographic involving her). My bet is this causes the two to work together to end this once and for all.

Posted by: Synnerman at February 24, 2014 03:55 PM (0Bdlg)

54 Lawnmower man has no scars on his face.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 24, 2014 03:55 PM (6Nj7A)

55 10 >>>Regarding Justified, does anyone know if this is the last season or if there will be one more?

this is it.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 07:25 PM (/FnUH)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Duchess of Something at February 24, 2014 03:55 PM (baL2B)

56 >>> I missed badly on thinking the tent preacher was involved. by my theory he could still be involved. >>>The thing that's got me is the opening to episode 1 - I still think this is Cohle dragging the body of one of the killersin the present day, and not the killer of Dora Lange in 1995. INTERESTING! But... so deceptive. There is definitely SOMETHING going on with the opening. For example, we see someone starting a fire and some burning on the plain. But this did NOT happen at the crime scene. No one at the crimescene ever references fire, ever, and that would be an important thing to note (M.O., psychology of a firebug, etc.) I now there is stuff that looks like smoke but it must not be smoke; it must be fog, or else someone would surely mention arson being part of the MO.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 03:56 PM (/FnUH)

57 Correct me if I am wrong, y'all (and I have no doubts there), but I just read that this is season 5 of Justified. Someone important said the plan is to end after season 6? I will cling to this and maybe a spin-off like they did with the making of Major Crimes: which I think is a great show as well with or without Brenda Lee.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Duchess of Something at February 24, 2014 03:58 PM (baL2B)

58 Have to admit I'm hooked on this show. Wasn't sure at first. Anything HBO produced makes me suspicious when it comes to the portrayal of the South but with only a few objections I think a fair attempt has been made at avoiding one dimensional characters.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at February 24, 2014 03:59 PM (dvRYt)

59 When did Tuttle commit suicide? He was alive and kicking in episode 6.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 24, 2014 03:59 PM (6Nj7A)

60 yeah I was wrong, one more season of Justified AFTER this one.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 03:59 PM (/FnUH)

61 What I found strange is that there are hardly any black people in it. Sure, there is that gang in episode 4, but Louisiana is a third black. Posted by: Judge Pug
..........
Except for both of the investigators. As said above, all white force 15 years ago, then 2 black investigators.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 24, 2014 04:00 PM (b/lt+)

62 Lawnmower man. http://i.imgur.com/Xnui0gt.jpg

Posted by: Adam at February 24, 2014 04:00 PM (Aif/5)

63 >>>When did Tuttle commit suicide? He was alive and kicking in episode 6. in 2010. Obviously between ep 6's 2002 timeframe and the next episode's 2012 timeframe.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 04:00 PM (/FnUH)

64 Dammit.

Posted by: Adam at February 24, 2014 04:01 PM (Aif/5)

65 Lawnmower man. Looks scarred to me. And interesting side by side comparison. http://tinyurl.com/l6xr5e3

Posted by: Adam at February 24, 2014 04:03 PM (Aif/5)

66 57 -

There's definitely going to be another season after this one.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 24, 2014 04:03 PM (BeSEI)

67 56 -

Lots of tv shows shoot opening credits that set a tone for the series, but don't actually include scenes from the episodes.

I admit I haven't much watched the credits, except when the gal in the red white and blue outfit shows up.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 24, 2014 04:05 PM (BeSEI)

68 Anyone else find it suspicious that Marty killed that guy in the swamp where the two kids were foun? His character is portrayed as impulsive but as a trait in his personal life. Killing a guy in a rage just seemed not in character.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at February 24, 2014 04:05 PM (dvRYt)

69 oh greaaaat!...I thought I had the opening sequence ALL figured out. nagdabbit

Posted by: concrete girl at February 24, 2014 04:07 PM (EzbEY)

70 >>>Anyone else find it suspicious that Marty killed that guy in the swamp where the two kids were foun? His character is portrayed as impulsive but as a trait in his personal life. Killing a guy in a rage just seemed not in character.

All bets are off when it comes to messing with kids.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 24, 2014 04:07 PM (IN7k+)

71 65 Lawnmower man. Looks scarred to me. And interesting side by side comparison. http://tinyurl.com/l6xr5e3 Posted by: Adam at February 24, 2014 08:03 PM (Aif/5) He looks scarred or maybe it's dirt. I looked at the vido and blew it up and he didn't look scarred. But if he is scarred, how come Coehle didn't go and bust him or go back and talk to him? The character was first introduced in episode 3.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 24, 2014 04:08 PM (6Nj7A)

72 PLus look what he did to the two teens who were with his daughter.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 24, 2014 04:09 PM (IN7k+)

73 The significance of the opening theme song as it relates to the whole setting is also interesting if you look it up.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at February 24, 2014 04:09 PM (dvRYt)

74 Alec Baldwin thinks you lawnmower people are a bunch of maggots.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Duchess of Something at February 24, 2014 04:09 PM (baL2B)

75 But this did NOT happen at the crime scene. No one at the crimescene ever references fire, ever The first cop they talk to says the farmer noticed the smoke and that the field wasn't scheduled for a burn, which I guess is when they found her.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 24, 2014 04:10 PM (ADs8C)

76 @71 Coehl doesn't get a good look at him. He's inturrupted by Marty. What is the point of that scene other than to introduce that individual though? I bet he comes back in somewhere

Posted by: jollyroger at February 24, 2014 04:12 PM (HkKu2)

77 how come Coehle didn't go and bust him or go back and talk to him? ------ Marty kept blowing the horn at him when Cohle was talking to Lawnmower man and you could tell Cohle was pretty pissed. Plus he's smart but he isn't omniscient.

Posted by: Adam at February 24, 2014 04:12 PM (Aif/5)

78 My question is if the cult is responsible for a bunch of murders, why were the 2012 murders and Dora left to be found?

Posted by: jollyroger at February 24, 2014 04:13 PM (HkKu2)

79 >>>The first cop they talk to says the farmer noticed the smoke and that the field wasn't scheduled for a burn, which I guess is when they found her. are you sure? I listened for that and what I heard was that a farmer noticed the body, with no mention of smoke or fire.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 04:13 PM (/FnUH)

80 if you assume that the "Big People" behind the pedophile ring can't be touched by the law, you have to assume that Hart and Cohle will take care of it off the books. Hart's execution of Ledoux might just be to establish that he's up for a little off-the-books Law Enforcement (by which I mean, murder).

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2014 04:15 PM (/FnUH)

81 So, who has Marty been banging from 2002 until 2012?

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 24, 2014 04:16 PM (6Nj7A)

82 WIKI notes that True Detective has a different cast every year, so are there only 2 episodes left on this story?

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 24, 2014 04:17 PM (P1WNR)

83 He got a good look at him. He was only a few feet from him and was speaking to him for a minute at least. It was in daylight.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 24, 2014 04:18 PM (6Nj7A)

84 This spread wasn't scheduled for a burn.... That's what the cop says to M and C when they first arrive. There's a puff of smoke and M asks, who found her? To which the cop says, farmer and his son. However ace may be right because why wouldn't more of the cane field have been burned?

Posted by: concrete girl at February 24, 2014 04:18 PM (EzbEY)

85 70 >>>Anyone else find it suspicious that Marty killed that guy in the swamp where the two kids were foun? His character is portrayed as impulsive but as a trait in his personal life. Killing a guy in a rage just seemed not in character. All bets are off when it comes to messing with kids. True, Marty is impulsive and kids were involved. It just seemed a good way to get rid of a potential witness to further involvement by others.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at February 24, 2014 04:19 PM (dvRYt)

86 @83 Also they were looking for Ledoux at that point, not a scarred man. Rust thinks hes suspicious thats why he went to the school.

Posted by: jollyroger at February 24, 2014 04:19 PM (HkKu2)

87 82 WIKI notes that True Detective has a different cast every year, so are there only 2 episodes left on this story? Posted by: Dr Spank at February 24, 2014 08:17 PM (P1WNR) That's what I was asking. I guess each season will be a different story with different actors? Not sure if it's a different story though.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 24, 2014 04:20 PM (oFCZn)

88 You have to really listen with this show which is both annoying and makes it interesting.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 24, 2014 04:21 PM (6Nj7A)

89 >>79 Yea, that cane field was burned at the Lange scene. They wouldn't talk of arson because it's fairly common after grinding season(When the cane is harvested) to burn the fields to prep it for the next grow. More of an irregularity than a criminal act. The unscheduled burn was presumably how they found the body since any farmer worth his salt would be sure to check the whole field after. Source--Family farms sugarcane in louisiana.

Posted by: CJA at February 24, 2014 04:21 PM (9qWlB)

90 86 @83 Also they were looking for Ledoux at that point, not a scarred man. Rust thinks hes suspicious thats why he went to the school. Posted by: jollyroger at February 24, 2014 08:19 PM (HkKu2) Correct. But when he visits the girl in the hospital later and asks if there was a third guy and what did he look like, she said scars AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 24, 2014 04:23 PM (6Nj7A)

91 If the killers were trying to cover up evidence from the Lange murder, why'd they start the fire so far from the body? Why do they cover up the other murders they've supposedly been committing?

Posted by: jollyroger at February 24, 2014 04:24 PM (HkKu2)

92 @90 Yeah, but thats like years later.

Posted by: jollyroger at February 24, 2014 04:25 PM (HkKu2)

93 If Cohle broke into Tuttle's home he probably took a video tape of Tuttle's indiscretions prompting his suicide. That's likely what he showed Harrelson's character causing him to get ill.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 24, 2014 04:26 PM (P1WNR)

94 # 14 said:

On January 14, 2014, FX Network CEO John Landgraf

confirmed that the show was renewed for a sixth season, which will be

its last. The decision was made based on a decision from Graham Yost and

star Timothy Olyphant

I found out they were doing six seasons, last year from Art Mullen's ( Nick Searcy's) Dad at a golf tournament we played in. I've been waiting for it to come back on too.

Posted by: Intrasigent Bastard at February 24, 2014 04:28 PM (R5lpX)

95 @93 Bingo. As with the guy in the cell, Tuttle got a call from someone else that suicide would be a good option

Posted by: jollyroger at February 24, 2014 04:28 PM (HkKu2)

96 Remember Cohle told that mom who killed her kids to commit suicide so advising Tuttle to do the same may have been 2nd nature. Here let me blow your mind : maybe Cohle's the cause off ALL the suicides.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 24, 2014 04:33 PM (P1WNR)

97 The answer is me and dead owls don't give a hoot.

Posted by: exsanguine at February 24, 2014 04:35 PM (WiAcn)

98 It's interesting how more and more name actors are doing these mini series. Television has surpassed movies in quality, imho.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 24, 2014 04:55 PM (6Nj7A)

99 Discussion thread during next week's ep?

Posted by: tdpwells at February 24, 2014 05:00 PM (01otU)

100 I used the word "penultimate" in a court in a rural county once. The judge and opposing counsel looked at me like I had a third arm.

Posted by: Echo Whiskey at February 24, 2014 05:19 PM (yyko3)

101 Speaking of detective -type dramas, (awkward segue) any thoughts on Sherlock season 3?

Posted by: The Game Is On at February 24, 2014 05:27 PM (ZglKH)

102 I'm disappointed they had to involve a political point in the True Detective story and have the suspicious reverend counting on school vouchers to resurrect his corrupt school system. That's axe grinding right of the DNC/Teacher's Union partnership.

Posted by: Dan at February 24, 2014 05:30 PM (2D5tp)

103 I need a little help with something. I read somewhere that the spiral tattoo is important. It was on (or painted on) Dora Lange's body. I believe we also saw it on another character. And Cohle saw the spiral when those birds flew away. The problem is that I believe some character mentioned it in association with the killer, but if you look at Ledoux, he has a ton of tattoos but no spiral. I can't piece this all together with specifics and apologize for that, but did anyone else notice the lack of a spiral tattoo on Ledoux?

Posted by: RLew at February 24, 2014 05:37 PM (Dc3Nq)

104 Further to 103 above: http://io9.com/the-one-literary-reference-you-must-know-to-appreciate-1523076497 I swear Ledoux did not have any spiral tattoo on him but his former cellmate says he has a spiral brand on his back. Maybe I'm wrong...

Posted by: RLew at February 24, 2014 05:45 PM (Dc3Nq)

105 tv's andy levy said last nights episode was funny I'll chalk that up to his usual dry wit i guess

Posted by: concrete girl at February 24, 2014 05:49 PM (EzbEY)

106 Sort of OT, but as a Gulf Coast boy I appreciate the videography that shows the beauty of the region. Other folks may not see it that way, I don't know, but it really is lovingly photographed.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 24, 2014 05:50 PM (HubSo)

107 Ledoux has a spiral scar or burn mark on his back just below his neck. It's hard to see, but it's there. In the scene in episode 6 where the wife picks up Marty's phone, there's a picture of what might be the daughters. Around the daughters send to be that same spiral. Anyone else notice this? Less Mr to believe the video Rust shows Marty in the ep 7 preview I'd of one of his girls being abused.

Posted by: Xander Crews at February 24, 2014 05:53 PM (5ThB2)

108
101 - Season 3 seems like their out of ideas, and it's just the actors bouncing off each other, but Cumberbatch gets rolling it's hard to not watch.

It's like Doctor Who but with a better doctor and sidekick.

Posted by: FoxHunt at February 24, 2014 05:55 PM (lzEri)

109 ... Leads me to believe. Damn autocorrect.

Posted by: Xander Crews at February 24, 2014 05:55 PM (5ThB2)

110 @107 thanks...I just missed it on Ledoux and it was bothering me

Posted by: RLew at February 24, 2014 05:58 PM (Dc3Nq)

111 Never thought I'd say this, but I'm blown away by Matthew McConaughey as an actor. Just blown the fuck away. Guy has chops.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 24, 2014 06:09 PM (ewYO6)

112

97 The answer is me and dead owls don't give a hoot.

Posted by: exsanguine

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Funny that you mention...Owls.

The production company is called "Parliament of Owls".

And they had a beautiful live Owl on the set...to "keep the mockingbirds quiet"...when they were filming out in the rural scenes, like at the Meth Shack.

Posted by: wheatie at February 24, 2014 06:20 PM (DEUoo)

113 Previews for Episode 7 looked like they had the little girls dressed as May Queens, crowned by antlers. In some Celtic cultures, the May Queen was pawned over and then killed at the end to ensure a bountiful harvest. Could be some Shirley Jackson's the Lottery mixed in with the Lovecraftian hopelessness and Chamber's insanity prevalent in the KiY.

Posted by: Devil-Slayer at February 24, 2014 06:26 PM (0Ohpd)

114

I've been watching these episodes on OnDemand.

They add some commentary at the end of them, from Pizzolatto the writer/producer, and from others.

In the commentary after Ep. 5, Pizzolatto mentions that Cohle has some method behind his madness...in drinking in that long 2012 interview with the two black investigators:

Colhe knows that anything he says in those interviews while he's drinking...is 'inadmissible' in court later.

Posted by: wheatie at February 24, 2014 06:27 PM (DEUoo)

115

LeDoux had a tattoo of a 5-point Star on the center of his back.

It was entwined with roots...in a Celtic pattern.

He also had a tattoo on his right shoulder, in front, which bore a striking resemblance to Colhe...with praying hands.

Posted by: wheatie at February 24, 2014 06:31 PM (DEUoo)

116 Maybe lawnmower man was one of the first abused kids and is killing out of some sense of twisted compassion. Bible verse on the church wall next to the drawing. Mark 1:41 Then Jesus, moved with compassion, stretched out His hand and touched him, and said to him, be cleansed.Â” Maybe lawnmower man is cleansing their souls?

Posted by: JD at February 24, 2014 06:37 PM (RWvgh)

117

Posted by: Devil-Slayer

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I've been getting the 'killed as a Sacrifice' vibe, too.

The girl with the antler crown was posed kneeling, facing the huge tree.

Those little twig-totems, left at the scenes...'devil catchers'...were perhaps intended to ward off the devil from claiming the sacrifice as his.

The sacrifice was meant for something/someone...else.

Posted by: wheatie at February 24, 2014 06:42 PM (DEUoo)

118 Wiki article on the May Queen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Queen

Posted by: Devil-Slayer at February 24, 2014 06:47 PM (0Ohpd)

119

I posted this yesterday, in the dead thread:

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I just watched "The Making Of"...a piece on the making of this.
The writer grew up in Louisiana.
They created a lot of these sets from the ground up...like the Meth Shack, out in the sticks.

Great attention to detail, throughout.
They even filmed this in 35mm...not digital.
They said that "the landscape" is important in this story, and they wanted to do their best to show it.

They've mentioned the Hurricanes, several of them...and show the lingering ravages and devastation.
They also keep showing the ravages of Man...in the industrialization...the remnants of it around the landscape.

So...this cult could maybe be murdering these people as 'sacrifices' to Nature, to appease Nature for what they're doing to the landscape?
Maybe to 'keep the hurricanes away' or some such shit.

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I hadn't seen Ep. 6 yet, when I posted the above.

Still don't know if my theory on 'sacrifices to Nature' is what is going on, or not.

But I think there is a chance...just a chance, mind you...that Cohle could be Deep Cover this whole time.

Deep Cover for Internal Affairs, or some other agency.

Cohle mentioned to the two investigators, something about..."So my records from back then are still sealed?"

He seemed very interested in finding that out.

Posted by: wheatie at February 24, 2014 06:53 PM (DEUoo)

120

Oh crap, pixy ate the spacing in that re-post.

Here it is again, hopefully more legible:

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I just watched "The Making Of"...a piece on the making of this.

The writer grew up in Louisiana.

They created a lot of these sets from the ground up...like the Meth Shack, out in the sticks.

Great attention to detail, throughout.

They even filmed this in 35mm...not digital.

They said that "the landscape" is important in this story, and they wanted to do their best to show it.

They've mentioned the Hurricanes, several of them...and show the lingering ravages and devastation.

They also keep showing the ravages of Man...in the industrialization...the remnants of it around the landscape.

So...this cult could maybe be murdering these people as 'sacrifices' to Nature, to appease Nature for what they're doing to the landscape?

Maybe to 'keep the hurricanes away' or some such shit.

Posted by: wheatie at February 24, 2014 06:56 PM (DEUoo)

121

118 Wiki article on the May Queen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Queen

Posted by: Devil-Slayer

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Yeah...and there was a lot of Paganism folded into the early Catholic religion.

Mardi Gras picks up some of it, and has been using it for so long that a lot of people have forgotten that its origins were pagan customs and symbols.

Posted by: wheatie at February 24, 2014 07:03 PM (DEUoo)

122 "I'm disappointed they had to involve a political point in the True Detective story and have the suspicious reverend counting on school vouchers to resurrect his corrupt school system" But at least it makes the mystery predictable. Anyway, I think the name "True Detective" refers to Russ being a one-dimensional extremist, willing to set aside all other aspects of his life, including even his career as a detective, in order to get to the bottom of this mystery. So I don't think he's a bad guy. I don't buy any theories that put him in cahoots with the bad guys, other than potentially to bring them down (he went undercover for a long time with biker gangs...). Are we supposed to ask how the lawnmower guy got his scars? He was burned in a fire of some sort? I'm guessing how he got the scars is relevant to the plot.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at February 24, 2014 07:39 PM (VMODY)

123 Lawnmower Man definitely has discolored skin around his jaw, like a burn. Dora was seen at the revivals with a tall man who had 'a shiny jaw, like a burn scar'.

Posted by: gewa76 at February 25, 2014 03:46 AM (k8m83)

124 PLEASE -- enough with the self-justifying "euthenasia" crap. It's NOT that at all. It's a straight up serial killer/s whodunnit. 1.The killer/s will have been introduced earlier in the series. That is to follow the rules, even though the writer has said it's a "thriller|" not a whodunnit. Of course it's a whodunnit. That's silly. 2. Tuttle is now dead, committed suicide. Ep 6 establishes Cohle sweetin-talking the baby-killer woman that he "understands" her, then advising her to commit suicide. The implication being that's what he did for Tuttle. 3. It's been pretty clear from episode 1 that neither detective was the killer/s. 4. The only 3 majorish characters introduced earlier that we have a fix on are, the original police chief; Hart's father-in-law; and the Rev. My money is on the last 2. 5. When you have eliminated... blah... It's the deducation my dear Watson! Yes, Hart is the Watson to the Sherlockian Cohle.

Posted by: Dave at February 25, 2014 04:05 AM (xxYwh)

125 I am now thinking that there are two things going on:
1. The abduction, sexual abuse, torture and killing of children by a cult.
2. Someone (Cohle) secretly killing the cult members.

It has been assumed that Dori Lange was a victim of the cult. But, she was an adult. Lange's role may not have been as a top tier member of the cult, but as some kind of support role (like procurement). What if Cohle killed (and posed) her, and then was using the investigation to get closer to more of the cult members. Hart messed up his plans when he killed LeDoux.

But, Cohle is still working his "case".

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 25, 2014 08:29 AM (IN7k+)

126 Has anyone read Robert Chambers "The King in Yellow?" Does the script follow the story?

Posted by: Kat at February 25, 2014 12:25 PM (8inHi)

127 Dave,
The only problem is, the two IE guys are investigating only two people: Hart and Cohl. Not the traveling preacher or Hart's father-in-law, not the black preacher, only two. Why?
Clue 1 is the positioning of the dolls by Hart's daughter, #2 is the drawings, #3 is Hart smashing over a girl's pink bike while in a drunken rampage and then beating up his girlfriend's hook-up. Why show what is clearly a girl's bike being run over? The girlfriend has no kids, so why?
Because it was Hart.

Of the two, which has the sexual kink? Hart.
Who would have been in the community for all three murders? Hart.
Who has rage and sexual issues? Hart.
Who might assume they wouldn't be caught because they are respected in the community and so can afford to "stage" such a scene? Hart.

Posted by: LexisTexas at February 25, 2014 06:22 PM (kPFAg)

128 The King in Yellow is a series of short stories, the first one "The Repairer of Reputations" being the best. Wouldn't say it follows the stories because a bulk of them take place in Paris. It follows it more philosophically. You read the play and go nuts. One story features the King coming for the protagonists.

Posted by: Devil-Slayer at February 25, 2014 06:23 PM (0Ohpd)

129 And who offed Ledoux before he could be questioned or testify in court?

Posted by: LexisTexas at February 25, 2014 06:30 PM (kPFAg)

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