February 22, 2014

Ukrainian President Flees Kiev [CBD]
— Open Blogger

President Yanukovych has fled the capitol city of Kiev and is reportedly near the border with Russia.

And Open Thread.

[addendum] Yanukovych now claims that this is a coup and that he will not step down.

Japan Times:

“I am not leaving the country for anywhere. I do not intend to resign. I am the legitimately elected president,” Yanukovych told a local television station in the eastern city of Kharkiv.

And the pro-government faction pushes back

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1 Now in comes the Army

Posted by: TexasJew at February 22, 2014 05:28 AM (U+u4A)

2 1 Now in comes the Army Posted by: TexasJew at February 22, 2014 09:28 AM (U+u4A) Yup. The students in Prague in '68 exulted in the streets. UntilÂ… (**rumbling of tank treads**)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2014 05:32 AM (olDqf)

3 Mark Steyn is brilliant. That countersuit is a pisser, especially paragraph 111.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2014 05:32 AM (olDqf)

4

“Who is in charge of the clattering train?
The axles creak and the couplings strain,
and the pace is hot and the points are near,
and sleep hath deadened the driver's ear,
and the signals flash through the night in vain.
For death is in charge of the clattering train.”

Edwin J. Milliken, quoted by Winston Churchill in the debate on the air estimates in the House of Commons, 19 March 1935

So? Duh!1 flees?

No surprise.

Posted by: backhoe at February 22, 2014 05:34 AM (ULH4o)

5 saw this video at the blaze Montage of Ukrainians Tearing Down Lenin Monuments: http://tinyurl.com/oclr5sn

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 5 days until spring training at February 22, 2014 05:36 AM (u8GsB)

6 The next 24-48 hours could be pivotal in Kiev. They're freeing prisoners, Ministers have shifted allegiances, the President has fled, probably in fear for his life. If a General or two shows up on the protestors side, interesting times ahead.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 05:37 AM (ZshNr)

7 Wow. I knew he'd be out sooner than later. Gone before the Sochi Olympics officially ended. BBC President Viktor Yanukovych and opposition leaders signed a peace deal on Friday after several days of violence in which dozens of people died in a police crackdown on months of protest. But the deal failed to end the protests and huge crowds remain in Independence Square, the Maidan. An opposition figure has announced to the protest crowds in Independence Square that the president has resigned. This has not been confirmed, but the crowds reacted with huge cheers.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 22, 2014 05:38 AM (MhA4j)

8 6?
Yeah, that old Chinese curse....

Posted by: backhoe at February 22, 2014 05:39 AM (ULH4o)

9 Yup. The students in Prague in '68 exulted in the streets. UntilÂ… (**rumbling of tank treads**) Posted by: J.J. Sefton ----------------- Hungary , 1956

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 05:40 AM (aDwsi)

10 Venezuela is next. Commies here and elsewhere are nervous. I love it when Commies are nervous.

Posted by: eman at February 22, 2014 05:41 AM (AO9UG)

11 Interior ministry has announced that the police have switched sides. They're with the protesters

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at February 22, 2014 05:41 AM (cJ8dv)

12 This morning I was reading a blogger's take on the Rosenbergs. He said no one knew what happened to Joel Barr but I was sure he popped up in Russia with Alfred Sarrant. The story was that they were both well respected scientists in russia. But according to one of their wives, they were eased out in the early 60s from doing any useful work. The wife was the wife of Sarrant's friend and she abandoned her two small children to run away with this asshole when the FBI wanted to arrest him. Can you believe that? After he kicked the bucket, she wanted to send a letter to his family and a letter to her mother who was in her 90s but the commies said no. Did this dumbass ever think how sick it was that she even had to ask permission? And this is the shit that they want to impose on us. After commieland fell, she moved back to the US, SF of course. This woman is clueless. She's probably still singing the praises of Stalin. http://goo.gl/rtQ3z1 Who the fuck abandons their kids???

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 22, 2014 05:43 AM (6Nj7A)

Posted by: irongrampa at February 22, 2014 05:44 AM (SAMxH)

14 Posted by: eman at February 22, 2014 09:41 AM (AO9UG)

Wouldn't that be spectacular?

Obama's political beliefs destroyed by reality.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2014 05:44 AM (QFxY5)

15 The Police were painted the bad guys being those responsible to maintain the semblance of order. They've left the scene. And protestors with journalists now roam the Presidential quarters without any official oversight from any government official. Not everyone in the government supported either Yanukovych or Putin. There's going to be fabrications of fabrications mounting. We'll see how the majority of Ukrainians respond to the conquests achieved and to be further gained by the most volatile protesters. ...How many Victors? Where's Victor? And as Putin promised to fulfill his end of the economic development treaty with whichever Ukrainian government would be, as soon as the violence ended, watch.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 22, 2014 05:44 AM (MhA4j)

16 The Ukrainian President had a nice crib.

Posted by: eman at February 22, 2014 05:44 AM (AO9UG)

17
    Idiot cat.


    Why do I get the feeling this Ukraine thing will turn out to be another case of meet the new boss, same as the old boss?

Posted by: irongrampa at February 22, 2014 05:45 AM (SAMxH)

18 I think the army will back the rebels. It's got to be done by Sunday when the Olympics close. Putin will have no reason not to send tanks "to show his Friendship with the Ukraine" if it's not.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 22, 2014 05:45 AM (0FSuD)

19 The Kiev Police ain't no match for Russian tanks.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 22, 2014 05:46 AM (IV4od)

20 The density of occurrence of the keyword 'Communist' has prematurely triggered periodic posting of this excerpt from Mickey Spillane's novel, "One Lonely Night" : "I killed more people tonight than I have fingers on my hand. I shot them in cold blood and enjoyed every minute of it. I pumped slugs in the nastiest bunch of bastards you ever saw and here I am calmer than I've ever been, and happy too. They were Communists, Lee. They were red sons of bitches who should have died long ago..."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 05:46 AM (aDwsi)

21 Economically, South America is doing horribly. It seems most of the presidents down there are commies and/or terrorists. No one wants to invest there.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 22, 2014 05:47 AM (6Nj7A)

22 So the Ukraine gave up their nukes a decade or so ago, and the US has a treaty that says they would act to defend them from foreign attack right? Any chance the Ukraine still has 1 or 2 nukes laying around. What are the odds of the US getting involved if Russia rolls in? Do we have troops or armor nearby that could assist?

Posted by: Chris at February 22, 2014 05:49 AM (WjMgb)

23 We'll be sending zero troops or equipment to Ukraine, no matter what we have or what they do.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 05:49 AM (ZshNr)

24 19 The Kiev Police ain't no match for Russian tanks. Posted by: lowandslow at February 22, 2014 09:46 AM (IV4od) "You gotta hit it in it's ass, from behind!" --Oddball on land warfare strategy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2014 05:51 AM (olDqf)

25 Why do I get the feeling this Ukraine thing will turn out to be another case of meet the new boss, same as the old boss?
Posted by: irongrampa at February 22, 2014 09:45 AM

Could it be partly because all the Really Swell People here -- including Choom Boy and the media -- seem to have a crush on the rebels? I heard Brian Williams babbling about the Egyptian rioters protesters when describing the Ukraine situation.

I still have no idea who is right in this. Granted, it would probably serve the country better to align with the West than with Mother Russia, but that's their business, not ours.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 22, 2014 05:51 AM (ff7/5)

26 Can't figure out if Venezuela or the Ukraine is the best fit for Obama's visionof a transformed USA.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 22, 2014 05:51 AM (o3MSL)

27 Sad Vlad.

Posted by: eman at February 22, 2014 05:52 AM (AO9UG)

28 Venezuela is next.

Commies here and elsewhere are nervous.

I love it when Commies are nervous.

Posted by: eman at February 22, 2014 09:41 AM (AO9UG)



Alfred E Obama: What, me worry?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 22, 2014 05:52 AM (FE/sZ)

29 22 So the Ukraine gave up their nukes a decade or so ago, and the US has a treaty that says they would act to defend them from foreign attack right? Any chance the Ukraine still has 1 or 2 nukes laying around. What are the odds of the US getting involved if Russia rolls in? Do we have troops or armor nearby that could assist? Posted by: Chris at February 22, 2014 09:49 AM (WjMgb) What about all those suitcase nukes everyone was freaked out about when the Soviets collapsed in '91? If things go south for the rebels and a crazed Ukie sneaks one into MoscowÂ…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2014 05:52 AM (olDqf)

30 Heard on the radio last night while at work, that Pandora thinks that they can predict your political preferences by the music that you select. They gave as an example Jugears who likes jazz, like Beyonce? (dem) and Paul Ryan AC/DC (GOP) As I sit here cranking George Howard, Paul Hardcastle, and Wes Montgomery I have to laugh. Keep lying to yourself PandoraÂ…Â….

Posted by: ontherocks at February 22, 2014 05:52 AM (oO418)

31 Russophiles!!!11!!!

Posted by: Hector Troof Teller at February 22, 2014 05:53 AM (Aif/5)

32 There's no way that the Russians will allow the Black Sea port area to be part of a new Pro-Western Ukraine They'll split up the country

Posted by: TexasJew at February 22, 2014 05:53 AM (U+u4A)

33 Can't figure out if Venezuela or the Ukraine is the best fit for Obama's visionof a transformed USA. Posted by: Hrothgar at February 22, 2014 09:51 AM

Right idea, wrong continent. Choom Boy is still pushing dreams of making every nation a clone of Kenya. Or, maybe Pock-ee-stohn.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 22, 2014 05:53 AM (ff7/5)

34 30 Posted by: ontherocks at February 22, 2014 09:52 AM (oO41 I like TED NUGENT!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2014 05:53 AM (olDqf)

35 26 Can't figure out if Venezuela or the Ukraine is the best fit for Obama's visionof a transformed USA. Posted by: Hrothgar at February 22, 2014 09:51 AM (o3MSL) I think a combo is what President Puppyburger has in mind.

Posted by: eman at February 22, 2014 05:54 AM (AO9UG)

36 Posted by: ontherocks at February 22, 2014 09:52 AM

Mothers of Invention, here. And Frank Snotra.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 22, 2014 05:55 AM (ff7/5)

37 @  25

>I still have no idea who is right in this.<

   Nor does anyone else, I'm thinking.  It'd seem unlikely that the Ukraine would see Russia as someone to look to, given what Stalin did to them.  Can't believe those memories have faded.

   

Posted by: irongrampa at February 22, 2014 05:56 AM (SAMxH)

38 Does anyone have a link to a good source (conservative) for what is REALY going on in the Ukraine? Some of the footage I've seen seems staged. But if it is as simple as the Euros vs Putin, then it's One Worlders vs The Crime Boss and I'm watching the movie with no preference for who prevails.

Posted by: ontherocks at February 22, 2014 05:58 AM (oO418)

39 They're tearing down statues of Lenin and telling Putin to go fuck himself, they can't be all bad.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 05:58 AM (ZshNr)

40 Montage of Ukrainians Tearing Down Lenin Monuments:

http://tinyurl.com/oclr5sn

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 5 days until spring training at February 22, 2014 09:36 AM (u8GsB)


Catchy little song.  I give it a 90...got a nice beat.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at February 22, 2014 05:59 AM (bCEmE)

41 39 They're tearing down statues of Lenin and telling Putin to go fuck himself, they can't be all bad. Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 09:58 AM (ZshNr) yep

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 5 days until spring training at February 22, 2014 05:59 AM (u8GsB)

42 Peruvia doesn't seem to have these problems, thankfully.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 22, 2014 05:59 AM (0HooB)

43 I'm thinking. It'd seem unlikely that the Ukraine would see Russia as someone to look to, given what Stalin did to them. Can't believe those memories have faded.  Posted by: irongrampa at February 22, 2014 09:56 AM

Yeah, but a lot of simple-minded yahoos are still getting themselves all hot and mushy about Choom Boy. Same as all the idiots who were lauding Uncle Joe while he was still alive; some people just never learn.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 22, 2014 06:00 AM (ff7/5)

44 While searching through the palace of President Yanukovych protesters stumbled upon a box labeled "Mojo, Denver Broncos"

Posted by: eman at February 22, 2014 06:00 AM (AO9UG)

45 37 @ 25

>I still have no idea who is right in this.<

Nor does anyone else, I'm thinking. It'd seem unlikely that the Ukraine would see Russia as someone to look to, given what Stalin did to them. Can't believe those memories have faded.



Posted by: irongrampa

Same here- I can't sort the good guys & bad guys out.

I hope we stay out of it.

Posted by: backhoe at February 22, 2014 06:00 AM (ULH4o)

46 >>Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2014 09:53 AM (olDqf) Me too, if only he didn't use that one wordÂ…..communist, and smear all of the mixed bread canines world wide.

Posted by: ontherocks at February 22, 2014 06:01 AM (oO418)

47 Kiev has always been a crossroads. Remember that a good chunk of Western Ukraine was part of Czechoslovakia.Lots of religious and ethnic diversity in that part of the country. And it leads to ancient hatreds. It's a lot more like Yugoslavia than people want to admit.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at February 22, 2014 06:01 AM (cJ8dv)

48 "32 There's no way that the Russians will allow the Black Sea port area to be part of a new Pro-Western Ukraine

They'll split up the country"

Or put the whole country back under their thumb. I just don't think this is going to turn out well for those protesters.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 22, 2014 06:01 AM (IV4od)

49 They're tearing down statues of Lenin and telling Putin to go fuck himself, they can't be all bad.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 09:58 AM (ZshNr)




I wonder why they keep them up this long after the collapse of the USSR?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 22, 2014 06:01 AM (FE/sZ)

50 >>I still have no idea who is right in this. My simple rule of thumb is to look who Russia is supporting and its a pretty good bet the other side is the one you want to be on.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2014 06:01 AM (g1DWB)

51 Elect me as el presidente of el Venezuela and I promise you a roll of toilet paper in every pot!

Posted by: Senor Huey Longo at February 22, 2014 06:02 AM (6Nj7A)

52 I still have no idea who is right in this. Granted, it would probably serve the country better to align with the West than with Mother Russia, but that's their business, not ours. My only real guiding light here is that what Putin wants, I don't. I'd guess that the real neo-commies would be pushing to stay in the orbit of Mother Russia.

Posted by: --- at February 22, 2014 06:02 AM (MMC8r)

53 Montage of Ukrainians Tearing Down Lenin Monuments:



http://tinyurl.com/oclr5sn

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 5 days until spring training at February 22, 2014 09:36 AM (u8GsB)




I'd like to send that video to Barry. That would get him madder than hell to see the statues of one of his heroes getting torn down

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 22, 2014 06:03 AM (FE/sZ)

54 Shouldn't the media be calling this 'The Ukraine Spring', and for that matter 'The Venezuela Spring'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 06:03 AM (aDwsi)

55 I had the same question.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 06:03 AM (ZshNr)

56 Here is a good live blog to follow the Ukraine stuff http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-5-yanukovych-topples/ Police have abandoned Kiev. Protesters taking pics on the Prez private house. They've seized his private house, cars, documents. One thing -- all the Lenin statues being pulled down -- not clear if it's anti-commie sentiment or just anti-Russian. I think more anti-Russian. This is more an ethnic revolution than ideological. It's both, of course. But mainly the Ukrainians are sick of being ruled by Russians.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:03 AM (ZPrif)

57 My simple rule of thumb is to look who Russia TFG is supporting and its a pretty good bet the other side is the one you want to be on. FIFY

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 22, 2014 06:03 AM (0HooB)

58 i find it interesting that a number of countries are fighting for their FREEDOM.....and the president of the most free country on the planet refuses to help any of them.....or have any of his henchmen make an encouraging comment towards them......whilst taking our freedoms away....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 5 days until spring training at February 22, 2014 06:03 AM (u8GsB)

59 >>Mothers of Invention, here. And Frank Snotra. Posted by: MrScribbler at February 22, 2014 09:55 AM (ff7/5) I will say this for Pandora, I thumbs up/ bookmarked about 10 tunes and artists and they've virtually reproduced my 500+ iTunes playlist. Â…Â…must be an algorithm (that AlGore had nothing to do) withÂ…..

Posted by: ontherocks at February 22, 2014 06:04 AM (oO418)

60 Nugent thread still live as of an hour ago.....Good Grief....

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 22, 2014 06:05 AM (ojnk6)

61 58 i find it interesting that a number of countries are fighting for their FREEDOM.....and the president of the most free country on the planet refuses to help any of them.....or have any of his henchmen make an encouraging comment towards them......whilst taking our freedoms away.... And look at who he DID help: The Muslim Brotherhood. Against any secular government in the Middle East.

Posted by: --- at February 22, 2014 06:05 AM (MMC8r)

62 Russia can't and won't let Sevastopol go. Russia would definitely fight a war to retain that. Simon Shuster @shustry Main square of Sevastopol, home of Russian Black Sea fleet: protest demanding reunification with Russia #ukraine pic.twitter.com/qx5YgQWrDc

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:05 AM (ZPrif)

63 Well they released Yulia Timoshenko from prison, the former PM The question is what the ultranationalists like Svoboda will do now. They're forming paramilitary units There may be a civil war within the Civil War

Posted by: TexasJew at February 22, 2014 06:06 AM (U+u4A)

64 Same here- I can't sort the good guys bad guys out. I hope we stay out of it.

We will, and won't, backhoe. It suits President Historic First© to show himself as all in favor of any Freedom Movement he can find. It's a disease peculiar to politicians: they have to shoot off their fat mouths so everyone sees they are involved with the world.

As far as taking any action? History has proven that the Chicago Jesus hasn't a clue about what can or should be done. Those pesky Ukrainians aren't going to follow an Executive Order.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 22, 2014 06:06 AM (ff7/5)

65 Of course it's a coup.

But he should step down anyway, for failing to stop it.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 22, 2014 06:06 AM (30eLQ)

66 @  49


  >I wonder why they keep them up this long after the collapse of the USSR?<


            Fear.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 22, 2014 06:06 AM (SAMxH)

67 Poland has been in the lead Clear message from Poland's FM @SikorskiRadek: "Pres. #Yanukovych has 24h to sign 2004 Ukraine Constitution into law." #Euromaidan

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:07 AM (ZPrif)

68 TexasJew: generally where there is chaos, the side which wants power most and is most ruthless about it will win.

See also: Tehran, 1979-80

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 22, 2014 06:07 AM (30eLQ)

69 Those dogs who were able to body surf in the snow, should have been contenders in Sochi. I'll match American dogs against Commie dogs any time/any where.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 22, 2014 06:08 AM (6Nj7A)

70 A mix of ethnic and ideological motivations, eh? So you're calling it a Mongrel Revolution?

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 06:08 AM (ZshNr)

71 It's not like those in the Ukraine that would rather align themselves with the EU and tie themselves to their future are all doing it for altruistic measures because they felt the oppression of Russia. They're just looking at the EU as a different kind of  nanny that will give them shit.
They don't know it but they're fucked either way.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 22, 2014 06:08 AM (IV4od)

72 Posted by: lowandslow at February 22, 2014 10:08 AM

I fear you're 100% right.

Free Shit has become the Communism of the 21st Century.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 22, 2014 06:10 AM (ff7/5)

73 Feels like I'm watching another intro to a new "COD" game.....

Posted by: Qmark at February 22, 2014 06:10 AM (STXdS)

74 Before I die, I sure hope they reopen the KGB archives. I really want to see who sold out this country.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 22, 2014 06:10 AM (6Nj7A)

75 EU seems to want to claim it's not coup, cause they want the laws passed by Parliament to count. Duncan Crawford @_DuncanC Follow Immediate reaction to #Ukraine President Yanukovych's statement. Polish foreign minister Radoslaw Sikorski says it is not a coup.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:11 AM (ZPrif)

76 "Austria for Australians!" --Barack Hookah Obama.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2014 06:12 AM (olDqf)

77 EU seems to want to claim it's not coup, cause they want the laws passed by Parliament to count.

For as long as it's useful.

Posted by: Oliver Cromwell at February 22, 2014 06:12 AM (30eLQ)

78 John Schindler ‏@20committee 26m What is happening in Kharkiv is very like what happened in Croatia & Bosnia in 1991-92...but on much bigger scale involving a nuclear power.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:12 AM (ZPrif)

79 As for the Ukraine, all I can say is if there are any Jews left, get out.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2014 06:13 AM (olDqf)

80 John Schindler ‏@20committee Russians in East #Ukraine are forming "self-defense militias" they will need "protection" from "fascists"...see: Croatia 1991, Bosnia 1992.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:13 AM (ZPrif)

81 Schindler is US Naval War College professor. John Schindler ‏@20committee 5m Having lost control of Ukraine, Putin will settle 4 a rump buffer pseudo-state in East & Crimea. Please note this cannot be done peacefully.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:14 AM (ZPrif)

82 If Putin sends in the Russian Army, things could totally fucked up. If he doesn't, things could get totally fucked up. He'll probably try to stabilize the Russian half of Ukraine and sow civil war in the other half. Later, he'll grab the other half.

Posted by: eman at February 22, 2014 06:14 AM (AO9UG)

83 Ukraine, stuck between a rock and a hard spot. It shares the sentiment spot that prevailed against Poland's self interest when facing Hitler's Germany, refusing any treaty with Stalin's Russia because of historical prejudicial experience. No, I'm not referencing "politics" except as such exist today; i.e., ECONOMICS. Though ideologically Ukrainians would prefer more relations West, the EU is in no position to invest any money to economically develop Ukraine. Furthermore, the EU has no natural gas to pipeline into Ukraine. Putin's boots and tanks in Georgia "happened a long time ago, several administrations ago; so at this point, what difference should that make?" (H. Ruthless C.) Well, we'll see. All things considered, Putin is not Stalin, and likely doesn't care to replicate Stalin's era. Even Khrushchev purposely ended the Stalin Era as being absurdly counter productive, self destructive. In a word, insane. There's already a trade treaty with Russia. Russia is already set to spend billions providing natural gas into Ukraine 1/3 below current customer cost, and to provide funding for the Ukraine development of nuclear energy. It's that last part that sets DNA on edge, despite "jobs, jobs, jobs." It's one thing to build a pipeline. Quite the other to dig your own grave. As if the world needs another nuclear waste production site, this one situated at the Eurasian crossroads. Ukraine consists of fertile plains (steppes) with plenty of rivers, and bordering mountain ranges (Carpathian and Crimean). Wikipedia references it as "the largest wholly European country". When Poland's Solidarity Union Members achieved their political victory, I don't recall every member of Poland's government (including Police) running away like rats abandoning a sinking ship. Hopefully, all segments of Ukrainian citizens will be granted their rightful representation in government and Ballot, and not be dominated by the most activist interests in the power game of upheaval, King of the Mountain.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 22, 2014 06:14 AM (MhA4j)

84 As for the Ukraine, all I can say is if there are any Jews left, get out.

My great-grandparents must have been prophets . . .

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 22, 2014 06:15 AM (30eLQ)

85 5 saw this video at the blaze Montage of Ukrainians Tearing Down Lenin Monuments: http://tinyurl.com/oclr5sn Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 5 days until spring training at February 22, 2014 09:36 AM (u8GsB) Somebody posted that video here last night. Warms the cockles of my heart, it does. The fifth one is my favorite, where the statue is pulled down and dragged behind a truck by a rope around its neck. Every Communist and fellow traveler deserves to meet that fate.

Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 06:15 AM (sdi6R)

86 David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog Ukraine shows the US press can be completely neutral and unbiased - as long as it's a revolution against a Russian puppet regime.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:18 AM (ZPrif)

87 Hmm. This all brings back a dim memory..., ah..., written byJohn D. Loudermilk, Mark Dinning had a top 40 hit with "Top 40, News, weather and Sports" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsfE8g1rAQw

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 06:19 AM (aDwsi)

88 Breaking News ‏@BreakingNews 2m Ukraine's parliament votes to dismiss President Viktor Yanukovych - @Reuters, @hamishNews

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:19 AM (ZPrif)

89

Those Ukraine girls really knock me out.

 

they leave the west behind.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 22, 2014 06:20 AM (BAS5M)

90 This is a real boon for those of us who collect Lenin statues with dented heads.

Posted by: --- at February 22, 2014 06:21 AM (MMC8r)

91 88. AFTER THE FACT, heh. The President is not present. He is dismissed. Well, if their Parliament is voting, at least their government is still in "order" of sorts. I wonder what their quorum rules are for votes.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 22, 2014 06:21 AM (MhA4j)

92 My understanding is that Ukraine is broke and dependent on cash and gas supplies from Russia. Chaos and suffering in Ukraine seem inevitable regardless of which side wins

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:22 AM (ZPrif)

93 90 This is a real boon for those of us who collect Lenin statues with dented heads. Posted by: --- at February 22, 2014 10:21 AM (MMC8r) i was enjoying how the heads would crush, fall off and/or shatter.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 5 days until spring training at February 22, 2014 06:22 AM (u8GsB)

94 This is a real boon for those of us who collect Lenin statues with dented heads. Posted by: --- ---------------------- It's an exploding market.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 06:22 AM (aDwsi)

95 This won't end well. We've seen this movie before in Europe and most specifically with the old Soviet Union.

It is pretty clear that Mr. Obama and Mrs Clinton have not only destroyed American credibility and influence in the world. But they have made it a much more dangerous place for us and anyone who seeks free and democratic government.

That Russia feels safe to give license to shoot civilians engaged in protest and the further harbor hopes of subjugating an otherwise independent nation is telling of how far we have fallen.

Declaring some part of the citizenry of an independent state is someone comprised of your states citizens, then taking over that independent state under the guise of "protecting" them is one of the oldest tricks in the dictatorial book.

That hasn't been done since the end of World War II and the chaos which ensued in the aftermath. Congratulations to Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton. It takes real talent to break a peaceful period  and the democratic gains which have lasted almost 70 years.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 22, 2014 06:22 AM (McAOL)

96 90. come to think of it, Lenin and Putin do share facial bone structure. No?

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 22, 2014 06:23 AM (MhA4j)

97 95 Obama has managed to destabilize the entire world.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 06:23 AM (aDwsi)

98 We must help Mother Russia.

Posted by: obama at February 22, 2014 06:24 AM (JMb/Y)

99 Maybe Ebola will send Horseface to help. A nice speech about climate change should fix things nicely.

Posted by: eman at February 22, 2014 06:24 AM (AO9UG)

100 95?

Yep....

Posted by: backhoe at February 22, 2014 06:24 AM (ULH4o)

101 Who cares about the Ukraine? I've got an advance copy of Game of Thrones proles!

Posted by: Barack Obama at February 22, 2014 06:25 AM (Aif/5)

102 This is a real boon for those of us who collect Lenin statues with dented heads.

Posted by: --- at February 22, 2014 10:21 AM (MMC8r)




Comrade Barry: I've already order myself some. Gonna put them up all over the Kremlin err..White House

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 22, 2014 06:25 AM (FE/sZ)

103 The only thing I'm sure of is no matter what happens Obama will tweet a picture of himself and declare the result a victory for his foreign policy.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2014 06:25 AM (g1DWB)

104 No no no no!  These are not the important issues of the day.  What is important is fighting Global Climate Change because . . .  volcanoes!

Posted by: Sec. of State John F-ing Kerry at February 22, 2014 06:25 AM (BAS5M)

105 25 I still have no idea who is right in this. Posted by: MrScribbler at February 22, 2014 09:51 AM (ff7/5) Me either, but the ones tearing down statues of Lenin can't be all bad.

Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 06:26 AM (sdi6R)

106 From InterpreterMag -- Currently, the now-former President of Ukraine has no legal status, according to the Rada. But he has also lost control on the ground. The police have evaporated, the Berkut riot police have joined the protesters, and most of the governors are working with the Rada, not the President. The only power the President MAY have is if he can get the military to follow his orders. Short of that, he’ll need international help — from Russia — in order to regain control of the country.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:27 AM (ZPrif)

107 2014 says 2013 was a pussy. 2014 says 2014 is going all in for war, SMOD, and zombies.

Posted by: eman at February 22, 2014 06:28 AM (AO9UG)

108 97?
Mike?

Yeah, and he told everybody what he was going to do before the 2008 election. I guess my "fellow citizens" are good with this stuff.

And it's a pity. What's happened to Ø-Merica.

Posted by: backhoe at February 22, 2014 06:28 AM (ULH4o)

109 Time for Yanko to retire to a nice resort somewhere.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 06:28 AM (ZshNr)

110 Do you get the feeling that when other countries get "the call" from Obama on these matters they're mocking him with obscene hand gestures while talking on the phone? I bet Putin and his buds have a real laughfest after he hangs up.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 22, 2014 06:29 AM (IV4od)

111 interpretermag -- There is now officially a constitutional crisis in Ukraine: Here are the basics facts. The Rada (parliament), two nights ago, finally had enough members to form a quorum. At that point in time, they were legally allowed to pass new laws – and thus, they are a legitimate parliament. President has refused to recognize the Rada, and has not signed the laws. As such, the Rada has the power to pass the laws without signature.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:29 AM (ZPrif)

112 110 Do you get the feeling that when other countries get "the call" from Obama on these matters they're mocking him with obscene hand gestures while talking on the phone? I bet Putin and his buds have a real laughfest after he hangs up. Posted by: lowandslow at February 22, 2014 10:29 AM (IV4od) Like the call the Emperor got from Darth Vader?

Posted by: eman at February 22, 2014 06:30 AM (AO9UG)

113 The results of Obama's actions to date are still indistinguishable from an intentional destruction of America.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 22, 2014 06:30 AM (BAS5M)

114  As for the Ukraine, all I can say is if there are any Jews left, get out.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2014 10:13 AM (olDqf)

_______________

Good recommendation for the rest of Europe as well.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at February 22, 2014 06:31 AM (jucos)

115 Shit they wouldn't even take my phone call. Probably joos.

Posted by: Chuck Hagel at February 22, 2014 06:31 AM (Aif/5)

116 >>Do you get the feeling that when other countries get "the call" from Obama on these matters they're mocking him with obscene hand gestures while talking on the phone? I bet Putin and his buds have a real laughfest after he hangs up. When Hillary went to Russia and handed over that stupid reset button Putin knew he had won. He's been toying with Obama ever since.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2014 06:31 AM (g1DWB)

117 Yeah, and he told everybody what he was going to do before the 2008 election. I guess my "fellow citizens" are good with this stuff. ---------------- “Barack Will Never Allow You to Go Back to Your Lives as Usual.” - Michelle Obama * sound of cheering Fellow Travelers, LIV's, FSA, media sycophants, Fifth Columnists, and quislings *

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 06:32 AM (aDwsi)

118 CNN is not covering Ukraine. Somebody put a noose on a statue of black man on the campus of Ole Miss, FBI investigating. 99% chance it was black campus activist who did it. Cause that's who always does shit like this. CNN asking what this tells us about race in America in 2014. Oh-- they finally said something about Ukraine.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:32 AM (ZPrif)

119 The Peruvian Ambassador is offering his embassy as a refuge for frightened prostitutes and starving zoo animals.

Posted by: eman at February 22, 2014 06:34 AM (AO9UG)

120 Parliament votes 328-0 to impeach Yanukovych, sets May 25 for new election Kyiv – by Kyiv Post

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:34 AM (ZPrif)

121 Who the fuck abandons their kids???

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 22, 2014 09:43 AM (6Nj7A)


Yeah, really.

Posted by: Wendy Davis at February 22, 2014 06:35 AM (0XBx+)

122 Have no fear. They are Tanks of Welcome.

Posted by: Vlad P. at February 22, 2014 06:36 AM (MMC8r)

123 Maxim Eristavi ‏@MaximEristavi 9m The man, who refused to follow Yanukovych's order to use army against protesters is new interim Minister of Defense

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:36 AM (ZPrif)

124 We're on it!

Posted by: Your Obama Aministration at February 22, 2014 06:38 AM (jucos)

125 117?
Mike?

Yeah- I no longer recognize vast swaths of my country anymore. Or many of my "fellow citizens." They are aliens to me and my values.

All I can do is withdraw as much as possible and look out for me & my own. The rest are on their own from here on out.

Posted by: backhoe at February 22, 2014 06:39 AM (ULH4o)

126 Hmmm....posts you can only see for a split second...

Posted by: --- at February 22, 2014 06:40 AM (MMC8r)

127 The protesters tactic of provoking the police to murder some of them worked. This whole thing was a stalemate for months, years, really. It was only after 100 protesters were killed by the cops that public and international support shifted overwhelmingly to them. It's a good tactic if your enemy is not totally ruthless. Many police and army resigned or refused when ordered to shoot fellow Ukrainians. The protesters forced a crisis. It wouldn't have happened without the bloodshed, though.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:40 AM (ZPrif)

128 A similar tactic did not work in Syria. Assad just kept murdering more and more of them.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:41 AM (ZPrif)

129 Saw a pic on Twitter that is supposedly of Cuban troops arriving in Venezuela. But it's just a pic of some troops and planes, so I have no idea if it's true. Did a little searching and found...that I'm not the only person wondering...

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 22, 2014 06:41 AM (SUKHu)

130 92. Flatbush Joe: Ukraine is broke and dependent on cash and gas supplies from [] those who have and are prepared to provide. This is Putin's opportunity to prove Russia's kid gloves. We'll see. This guy is smarter than the average bear, by a long shot. He is working to establish Russia's NEW leadership that has evolved beyond denying history in order to pretend faults or strengths never were, or always were. In the game of chess, he's a top dog. In the global economy, he would rather Russia have prevalence than the dominant China. Unlike our current Oval Office vacationing resident who sows the seeds of destabilizing destitution where ever bozo goes, Putin would rather see stability. When the Russian President makes a better case for prosperity than the American President, HOUSTON: WE HAVE A PROBLEM. And no, morons, Putin ain't my hero. But even if I "could", I wouldn't unnecessarily cross him because Détente proves best, all things considered. And Ukrainians are doing poorly, standing in need of natural gas and economic development in order to even consider participating with the EU. Ironic, that Russia could well provide Ukraine its "deliverance". Anyway, this could be Putin's chance for propaganda glory. And we all know how he loves being seen the hero. (who doesn't?)

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 22, 2014 06:42 AM (MhA4j)

131 113 The results of Obama's actions to date are still indistinguishable from an intentional destruction of America. Posted by: Count de Monet at February 22, 2014 10:30 AM (BAS5M) Yep. As I've always said, if he were merely incompetent he would get something right once in a while, simply by accident. That has not happened.

Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 06:43 AM (sdi6R)

132 now gas and food prices will soar if they are hoping the EU will come save the day then they are mistaken when hunger starts, the civil war starts the Ukrainian burning times are here

Posted by: navycopjoe killing with his ninja killing shield at February 22, 2014 06:43 AM (At8tV)

133 When Hillary went to Russia and handed over that stupid reset button Putin knew he had won. He's been toying with Obama ever since. Posted by: JackStraw ----------------------- THAT. The weird thing is, Harry Truman, without consulting with anyone, had the same plan bak during the Berlin Crisis. His plan (developed with his speech writers!) was to send the Chief Justice on a mission to communicate directly with Stalin, bypassing our allies, and all of the people who had been negotiating with the Reds from a position of strength. When everyone else found out about this, they rushed to Truman and explained that it would blow up our allies confidence, and make the U.S. look incredibly weak (i.e., "You're a fcuking idiot.") Truman got the message and called it off.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 06:43 AM (aDwsi)

134 130 No, I agree-- Putin's one guy on the world stage who knows how to play every card in the deck. Unfortunately, our guy ain't (and hasn't been for quite a while) and we're going to lose our shirt to him pretty easily.

Posted by: --- at February 22, 2014 06:44 AM (MMC8r)

135 It is literally mind boggling how difficult it is to gain access to the Truth these days. Venezuela, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, the IRS, ObamacideÂ…. And then look at the litigation used to harass truthful purveyors of current events, by the likes of Mann, and the Scumbag harassing Ace and The Other Mccain. There needs to be a consortium of honest conservative journalists supporting a cohesive counter narrative to the Lies of The Left. I think that that is the single biggest blow suffered with the passing of Breitbart at such a young age . He would have gotten there, Â…..He GOT ITÂ….

Posted by: ontherocks at February 22, 2014 06:45 AM (oO418)

136 This is what it looks like when people who know very well what anti-democratic government does, because they have lived under it, sense they are losing their freedom.

Freedom and independents are not a joke, nor is to be taken lightly

Posted by: Marcus T at February 22, 2014 06:45 AM (McAOL)

137 ..so what re-gift will Bozo send from the White House to the next Ukraine Prez?

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 22, 2014 06:45 AM (MhA4j)

138 CNN asking what this tells us about race in America in 2014.

It tells us CNN--and our ruling class, which they are part of--is obsessed with it, to the point nothing else matters.

Posted by: HR, watching scripts run at February 22, 2014 06:45 AM (ZKzrr)

139 117?
Mike?

Well, the Moocher was sure right about that. I'm so poor now "my church mice squeak when I walk...."

Local economy's dead. No jobs, not even the meanest.
Real Estate's been dead in the water since O'bumfuck's coronation was assured. Businesses still dropping like flies.

I sho' "hope" people like all that "change" they elected- twice.

Damn fools....

Posted by: backhoe at February 22, 2014 06:47 AM (ULH4o)

140 Time for Yanko to retire to a nice resort somewhere. Sochi?

Posted by: Fox2! at February 22, 2014 06:48 AM (cHwSy)

141 111. need their constitution's details. One thing to have a quorum for a vote. Quite another for the super-majority to override a veto. Then again, our Congress doesn't care about either rules or laws when it comes to their behavior and significance of "vote".

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 22, 2014 06:49 AM (MhA4j)

142 127 & 128 It's a good tactic if your enemy is not totally ruthless. Many police and army resigned or refused when ordered to shoot fellow Ukrainians. ... A similar tactic did not work in Syria. Assad just kept murdering more and more of them. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 10:41 AM (ZPrif) I wonder if the difference is that both sides in Ukraine are at least culturally Christian? No, actually, I don't wonder. I think that's pretty much it.

Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 06:50 AM (sdi6R)

143 ..so what re-gift will Bozo send from the White House to the next Ukraine Prez? Posted by: panzernashorn -------------------- Easy..., an Ipod loaded with his speeches.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 06:50 AM (aDwsi)

144 "Sochi?"

Lots of brand new vacation cottages to occupy thanks to Mother Russia.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 22, 2014 06:51 AM (IV4od)

145 I wonder if the difference is that both sides in Ukraine are at least culturally Christian? ------- AKA, 'civilized'

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 06:51 AM (aDwsi)

146 SBU is internal security force in Ukraine. bruce springnote ‏@BSpringnote 32m Former SBU chief and Yulia party member Nalivaichenko returns to head SBU #euromaidan Expand bruce springnote ‏@BSpringnote 29m New SBU chief in Parliament orders all SBU units back home immediately #euromaidan

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:52 AM (ZPrif)

147 So Putin got his grand Olympic experience. Let's see what people will remember about the Sochi Games. Piss-water coming out of faucets, dog extermination, open elevator shafts, a crooked Russian judge, a failed Russian hockey team and oh yeah, a rebuke from the citizens of Ukraine that left blood in the streets of Kiev. Heckuva couple weeks for Captain Polonium and his reputation.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 06:52 AM (ZshNr)

148 Vote for me in 2016. I've been married to an abusive, philandering president. I was a senator from New York whose most memorable accomplishment in the senate was voting Yes for the Iraq War. I was Secretary of State and my most memorable accomplishments there were not being able to find the proper spelling and context for "reset" in Russian and Benghazi. So uh, yeah. Vote for me!

Posted by: Hillary 2016 at February 22, 2014 06:52 AM (Aif/5)

149 127. The Right Sector snipers shot police and community activists indiscriminately. The thing about killing for killing's sake does open Pandora's Box. (Police say that the sniper fire originated from the roof of KievÂ’s Conservatory and targeted officers. The Ukrainian opposition claims that protesters were also caught in the gunfire. Hardline opposition group Right Sector rejected the truce and urged its followers to continue the offensive.)

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 22, 2014 06:53 AM (MhA4j)

150 maybe I can adopt some 20yo Ukrainian chicks to show my support

Posted by: navycopjoe killing with his ninja killing shield at February 22, 2014 06:53 AM (At8tV)

151 148. I've been married to an abusive, philandering president. ...and took it upon myself to personally destroy every woman my husband ever molested. Hillary Ruthless Clinton

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 22, 2014 06:55 AM (MhA4j)

152 147 Lincoltf - He apparently poked his dork into Costa's eye. I'll give him points for that.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 06:55 AM (aDwsi)

153 "maybe I can adopt some 20yo Ukrainian chicks to show my support"

Word.

Posted by: Woody Allen at February 22, 2014 06:56 AM (IV4od)

154 Right, some snipers shot protesters. Some police and some SBU agents shot the protesters. Most of Ukraine seems to have recoiled in horror at the bloodshed. Forcing the crisis forced people in the middle, who probably were just trying to keep their head down and not take sides, to choose a side. And the rank and file cops who really do believe in law and order and probably did see many of the protesters as thugs and hooligans (cause probably a fair # were thugs and hooligans) didn't want to be part of a force that was using snipers to shoot the protesters.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:56 AM (ZPrif)

155 Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 10:52 AM (ZshNr) The Kimmel who cried Wolf! and the prejudiced Americans who fell for the stunt.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 22, 2014 06:56 AM (MhA4j)

156 Right, it's not clear at this stage who exactly did what. But 100 people died and Yanik got the blame. And now he's been overthrown and chased out of Kiev. If Yanik and the SBU forced the violence and bloodshed, then that was a stupid strategic move. Backfired quickly for them.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 06:58 AM (ZPrif)

157 Remember when Romney said that Russia was our biggest geo-political foe and Obama and his lapdogs in the msm mocked him for it? Good times.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2014 06:59 AM (g1DWB)

158 maybe I can adopt some 20yo Ukrainian chicks to show my support ------------------ You may want to acquire one of these first: http://daninjectdartguns.com/

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 07:00 AM (aDwsi)

159

"maybe I can adopt some 20yo Ukrainian chicks to show my support"

 

 

Word.

 

Posted by: Woody Allen at February 22, 2014 10:56 AM (IV4od)

 

 

Too old by half.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at February 22, 2014 07:00 AM (BAS5M)

160 Steyn is bringing some serious bitch slapping to Mann's court and that little scrunt deserves it.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at February 22, 2014 07:01 AM (HsTG8)

161

"You don't know how lucky you are boys,

 

Back in  the U-S-S-R!"

Posted by: John Lenin at February 22, 2014 07:01 AM (BAS5M)

162 There are a lot of Ukrainian oligarchs. Billionaires many times over. How much will this president make off with?

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 22, 2014 07:02 AM (6Nj7A)

163 Speaking of Lenin, I wonder if has had his annual oil change?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 07:02 AM (aDwsi)

164 John Schindler ‏@20committee BREAKING: Russian TV (Rossiya 24) is broadcasting the "alternative" Ukrainian congress in Kharkiv, with Russian MPs in attendance.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:02 AM (ZPrif)

165 154. Flatbush Joe Yes. And Ukrainians aren't different than the rest of us that way. We presume to be the Beacon of Liberty and Justice for All. Yet look what we've allowed bozos to do to us. And at that, over a century of forfeiting individuality for mergers. Americans Must Think! Grover Cleveland, 190eight

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 22, 2014 07:02 AM (MhA4j)

166 Maxim Eristavi ‏@MaximEristavi .@YuliaTymoshenko has left #Kharkiv prison hospital in this SUV - @lifenews_ru pic.twitter.com/vHmKSMWSSi

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:03 AM (ZPrif)

167 157. Imho, make that "single most" China.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 22, 2014 07:04 AM (MhA4j)

168 Steyn is bringing some serious bitch slapping to Mann's court and that little scrunt deserves it. I just read his countersuit. Sounds like he's ready for the long bout.

Posted by: --- at February 22, 2014 07:04 AM (MMC8r)

169 12 Who the fuck abandons their kids??? Posted by: Judge Pug at February 22, 2014 09:43 AM (6Nj7A) If not answered already, Wendy Davis, AKA Abortion Barbie, for one.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at February 22, 2014 07:04 AM (HsTG8)

170 >>The Obama administration ignited a new election-year controversy Friday when regulators handed down fresh cuts to Medicare Advantage (MA). >>"You know, we vote," said an elderly woman, identified as a Medicare Advantage patient, in a TV spot. http://tinyurl.com/m99jzm9 Yea, pissing off the most reliable voting block in an election year was always a great strategy.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2014 07:05 AM (g1DWB)

171 170 Don't worry, Joe Manchin and Kay Hagan are all over this..., I mean..., just because they voted for it doesn't mean that they should be held responsible for it. I want "Kay Hagan voted for Medicare cuts" billboards.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 07:07 AM (aDwsi)

172
  Don't draw comparisons between Syria and the Ukraine.

   The Ukraine has moved out of the 7th Century.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 22, 2014 07:08 AM (SAMxH)

173 So I guess Yankles didn't resign after all? Still hanging on, unless I got the timeline of the stories mixed up. Reading the Brit papers and BBC.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 07:08 AM (ZshNr)

174 The comparison is a govt killing its citizens. They did something comparable. Hence the comparison.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:09 AM (ZPrif)

175 It's a rout. KyivPost ‏@KyivPost 30s Kharkiv Mayor @GennadyKernes, Governor Dobkin flee Ukraine, cross border in Russia – @interfaxua, acting interior ministry's spokesperson

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:11 AM (ZPrif)

176 The Olympics end tomorrow. The war begins Monday.

Posted by: Vlad at February 22, 2014 07:12 AM (Aif/5)

177 None of this is over until Putin decides it's over. Nobody knows yet what Putin will do.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:13 AM (ZPrif)

178 Coup or no coup, Putin knows that he still has The Ukraine by the balls. The country is broke and they can either take the loan by Putin or the loan from the EU which basically involves turning over the country to EU banks Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose

Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2014 07:13 AM (aTXUx)

179 Biggest loss to Putin since he rose to power. Losing Ukraine is huge.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:13 AM (ZPrif)

180 They're starting to flee the country? I guess once the "shooting people down in the street" line has been crossed it's best to make oneself scarce if you're on the wrong side. Coup coup kachoo.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 07:13 AM (ZshNr)

181 Remember, Russia still has a huge military base in Ukraine. Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:14 AM (ZPrif)

182 Syria is where the rebels were eating the hearts of govt soldiers for youtube videos. So the comparison sucks for either side of the Ukrainian mess.

Posted by: votermom at February 22, 2014 07:14 AM (plW9B)

183 The mayor and governor that fled have been, I think, officially charged with "separatism" and treason-like charges by the new govt.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:15 AM (ZPrif)

184 Losing Ukraine is huge.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 11:13 AM (ZPrif)

Yes, and Putin won't let it go without a fight. Maybe not tanks, but certainly he will not be passive.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2014 07:16 AM (QFxY5)

185 A telling comment from Jonah Goldberg: "National Bolshevism must strike some on the left as quite perplexing. After all, Bolshevism and Nazism — like fascism and socialism — are opposites, right? ...... First, let's clear some underbrush. The idea that Communism and Nazism are opposites is more of a utilitarian idea than a core conviction for the Left. It is a rationalization that allows the Left to cut around the historical tumor of Nazism and fascism and say, That has nothing to do with us. But the simple fact is that the hard Left has always endorsed or at least sympathized with national-socialist countries. What do you think Cuba is? It's nationalistic and it's socialistic. Venezuela under Chávez and now Maduro is nationalist and socialist. Nicaragua in the 1980s, etc., etc. Read a speech by any socialist dictator and swap out the word "socialize" for "nationalize": The meaning of the sentences doesn't change one iota. "

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 07:19 AM (aDwsi)

186 My work was left unfinished.

Posted by: Genrikh Yagoda at February 22, 2014 07:19 AM (lrw43)

187
Ukraine Parliament votes to oust President.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 22, 2014 07:22 AM (n0DEs)

188 CNN still covering Nuge, not Ukraine.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:24 AM (ZPrif)

189 Yanik had a nice-sized replica galleon on his private lake. BattleSwarm ‏@BattleSwarmBlog 4m Look at the size of that boat! Was #Yanukovich staging performances of The Pirates of Penzance? #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/jJ4wub55tr @nycjim

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:25 AM (ZPrif)

190 I'd rather watch 600 lb Swamp People Housewives than CNN.

Posted by: ontherocks at February 22, 2014 07:26 AM (oO418)

191 so was the more flexibilty after the election Yanukovych's putting the Ukraine back under er.. soviet rule? It does seem Ukranians aren't thrilled about being back under soviet whim. Seems pretty clear cut with the toppling of Lenin in major cities. Although It does sound as if Putin will use the excuse of some of it's Russian citizens being stuck between the fences . And i can't see Putin giving up the easier paths for oil distribution. Venezuela seems a harder egg to crack as far as What they are exactly fighting for. Is it that they are disappointed toilet paper and milk did not arrive freely? Is the anger at not getting their share on time? Or do they want freedom from Socilaism? anyone grocked that yet?

Posted by: willow at February 22, 2014 07:26 AM (nqBYe)

192 Shuster is Time reporter based in Moscow Simon Shuster ‏@shustry 46m Officer coming home to Sevastopol says they abandoned Interior Ministry in #Kiev yesterday. "It was full of guns. We just left it all."

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:27 AM (ZPrif)

193 "anyone grocked that yet?"

If only there was a entity that could use the airwaves and print to find these things out.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 22, 2014 07:29 AM (IV4od)

194 Crimea is mostly ethnic Russians. That's where Sevastopol is -- Russia's only warm water port and where the Black Sea Fleet is kept. Putin can't give that up. Sevastopol is of incredibly strategic importance. Worth fighting a war over.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:30 AM (ZPrif)

195 What I consistently read about Venezuela is that the biggest issue is the breakdown of order and the rampant murders. The 2nd is the goods scarcity and inflation.

Posted by: votermom at February 22, 2014 07:31 AM (Yt5XZ)

196 lowandslow, It's uncanny how the media has the ability to keep major events hidden . While i believe i know why.. They must see that it benefits Obama somehow. so we have to wait for the dust to settle so a steady stream of commentary can be made showing him the just and correct counselor? lol

Posted by: willow at February 22, 2014 07:32 AM (nqBYe)

197 Step 1: reinstate the draft. Step 2: invade Syria Step 3: Reinvade Iraq. Step 4: invade Ukraine. Step 5: March on Moscow. My friends!

Posted by: Senator John McCain at February 22, 2014 07:33 AM (Aif/5)

198 votermom, so they just desire a more efficient leader making the train and free-ish fair share of goodies run on time?

Posted by: willow at February 22, 2014 07:34 AM (nqBYe)

199 While i believe i know why.. I think I do too, willow. Rush has it right when he compares it to a soap opera with Obama as the main character. Capitalizing on the short attention span of the United States of Kardashian, it's all about TFG, all the time. Curiously, it's never about the country or the people, especially those who suffer under His Imperial Reign. We are so terribly screwed...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 22, 2014 07:36 AM (0HooB)

200 so one can wonder if ever tshtf here which case we will resemble most. i prayer for stability

Posted by: willow at February 22, 2014 07:36 AM (nqBYe)

201 or maybe i i just pray. damn it.

Posted by: willow at February 22, 2014 07:37 AM (nqBYe)

202 Backwards right, everything has to come from the view of how it affects Obama and retaining power. so unlike media during Boosh.

Posted by: willow at February 22, 2014 07:38 AM (nqBYe)

203 one of these days i'll get it right.

Posted by: willow at February 22, 2014 07:39 AM (nqBYe)

204 FoxNews isn't covering Ukraine either. Fox does a crap job of covering breaking news on the weekend.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:39 AM (ZPrif)

205 Gabriel Gatehouse, BBC Correspondent Ukrainians walking around the opulent residence, like in a theme park: "I'm in shock," said many. "So that's where all my tax money's gone"

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:40 AM (ZPrif)

206 ox does a crap job of covering breaking news on the weekend. Shep has the weekends off.

Posted by: Fox2! at February 22, 2014 07:41 AM (cHwSy)

207 I guess the Ukrainian gov't didn't purchase enough hollow point ammo to put this coup down.  Our DHS won't have that problem...

Posted by: EP at February 22, 2014 07:42 AM (c8N7W)

208 They're eating people in the presidential palace!

Posted by: Shep at February 22, 2014 07:42 AM (Aif/5)

209 198 Willow, I wonder if they know what they want. I think a lot depends on what leader they turn to if they kick out Maduro.

Posted by: votermom at February 22, 2014 07:44 AM (KCloC)

210 I suppose there is a slight chance that Ukraine can achieve a Czech-style "Velvet" split, but then the Eastern remnant would be a weak, small neighbor of an antagonized Russia and a bitter "old" Ukraine. From the linked article... "The revolution has been won in Kiev, in part of Ukraine, but not in the whole of Ukraine. We still have many risks,'' said Volodymyr Fesenko, a political analyst at the Kiev-based Penta think-tank. "If Yanukovych appears and ... proclaims an alternative power in Kharkiv or in Donetsk - it will mean that we have two countries. The most serious risk now is the possible division of the country. The crisis is not yet over.''

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 07:44 AM (ZshNr)

211 Our DHS won't have that problem... --------- Remington 700 Over 5 million sold. The world's largest army ain't on China.

Posted by: Remington Ad at February 22, 2014 07:46 AM (Aif/5)

212 Euromaidan PR @EuromaidanPR Klitschko being catcalled on #Euromaidan after saying not to take revenge on killers |PR News #Ukraine 11:42 AM - 22 Feb 2014

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:46 AM (ZPrif)

213 @212 That's not very Velvet-y.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 07:48 AM (ZshNr)

214 Fox News has never been as good as CNN when it comes to breaking international news. CNN is almost always on it before Fox. Of course, I no longer watch either of them since I had my cable disconnected in November 2012.

Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 07:49 AM (sdi6R)

215 Yeah, FoxNews has taped business show on now. FoxBusiness has an infomercial for buying gold. Only time I watch CNN is breaking news on a weekend.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:49 AM (ZPrif)

216 Klitschko is saying the right thing, despite the catcalls, and he knows it.  Hard to blame the crowd for not taking it well, thought -- over a 100 dead at the hands of the government.

By the way, every single person needs to be reading The Interpreter's liveblog of the Ukrainian situation: http://tinyurl.com/mm53rja

The Interpreter is the blog of the Institute of Modern Russia, which is an academic-based nonprofit that favors the progress of democracy.  It's a very respectable group.  The Interpreter podcasts are a great way to catch up quick, too.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 22, 2014 07:50 AM (ewYO6)

217 Does Melissa Harris Perry actually have a show? I've flipped it over there three or four times in the last twenty minutes just to see what they're talking about and every time it's commercials.

Posted by: Adam at February 22, 2014 07:51 AM (Aif/5)

218 Incidentally, the counterpunch is coming, hard and fast.  Yanukovych cannot give up power, because Putin needs Ukraine in its orbit rather than the EU's.  Primarily, he needs Sevastopol and the Crimea (which incidentally is largely Russian-speaking rather than Ukrainian, though the linguistic differences aren't as great as Ukrainians would have you believe). 

Putin will fight a war -- and invade -- over this, don't doubt it for a second.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 22, 2014 07:53 AM (ewYO6)

219 Never mind, just watched 10 seconds of Joy Reid, they probably get better ratings during commercial breaks.

Posted by: Adam at February 22, 2014 07:54 AM (Aif/5)

220 Yep, if you want to take down a government, do it on the weekend after 5 Eastern Time, and no one in the Obama administration (news media being part of the Ministry of Truth) will even notice until about noon Monday.

Posted by: H.O. Gage at February 22, 2014 07:55 AM (xTV0s)

221 Right, this isn't over until Putin decides it's over. If we look at what Putin has done in other former Soviet republics -- it's to use the ethnic Russian minority as an excuse. So not an invasion, but a "protection" force. Putin is also not above some false flag atrocities against the ethnic Russians in the Crimea. Given how angry the Ukrainians are, some Ukrainian bully boys might do it for him. If not, Putin will do it himself. But Russia has to have a secure corridor to the Crimea and Sevastopol.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:58 AM (ZPrif)

222 Just found a good map of Ukraine, makes it very easy to visualize how the schism might go. I had my East and West screwed up earlier. Attempt at link in name. WaPo.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 07:58 AM (ZshNr)

223 tks for link Jeff.

Posted by: willow at February 22, 2014 07:59 AM (nqBYe)

224 It's hard for me to see how Ukraine ends up keeping all it's territory.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 08:00 AM (ZPrif)

225 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 12:00 PM (ZPrif)

Agree completely.

Russia will take the ports.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 22, 2014 08:01 AM (QFxY5)

226 Maxim Eristavi ‏@MaximEristavi ex-Attorney General Pshonka and Taxation Minister Klymenko detained on the border w/ Russia - Turchynov

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 08:01 AM (ZPrif)

227 LBCI News English @LBCI_News_EN #Ukraine's parliamentary speaker says #Yanukovich tried to flee to #Russia, now in city of Donetsk - Interfax Reuters

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 08:02 AM (ZPrif)

228 I'm surprised so many in government are trying to flee. I thought they had negotiated a truce. Sounds like the police wouldn't follow orders. Or those fleeing had too many bags of cash to risk losing.

Posted by: H.O. Gage at February 22, 2014 08:04 AM (xTV0s)

229 What are the odds of the US getting involved if Russia rolls in? Do we have troops or armor nearby that could assist?
I'm betting the Ukrainians hope they're not stationed in Sicily or Greece.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 22, 2014 08:04 AM (14um2)

230 Thanks for the tweets Flatbush.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 08:05 AM (ZshNr)

231 The wild card? Poland. Believe it or not. A lot of the Ukraine used to be Polish territory that they won during the 1919-1920 war with Soviet Union then lost after WW2.

They have a long if not happy history with Ukrainian minorities inside Poland.

They might see an opportunity to get in good with the new Government. Give whatever support they can give.

Polish First Lady is already in Kiev visiting the protest sites.

Wait and see.

Posted by: GMB who can't remembers back when..... at February 22, 2014 08:06 AM (nkPV9)

232 Putin can't give that up. Sevastopol is of incredibly strategic importance. Worth fighting a war over.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 11:30 AM (ZPrif)


ISWYDT.

Posted by: Lord Raglan at February 22, 2014 08:08 AM (2DunM)

233 It's nice to be able to observe history before the historians get their hands on it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 08:08 AM (ZshNr)

234 My simple rule of thumb is to look who Russia is supporting and its a pretty good bet the other side is the one you want to be on.

* May not apply to Wahhabis and other members of the too tight turban brigade

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 22, 2014 08:08 AM (DL2i+)

235 As for the Ukraine, all I can say is if there are any Jews left, get out.

Except for here and Israel this has always been good advice.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 22, 2014 08:11 AM (DL2i+)

236 In many ways the story of Ukraine is the story of Obama.

When the SHTF the divisions will be cubicle by cubicle, corridor by corridor, room by room. You'll go into the office on a monday and find out your manager is on a jet out of the country with suitcases full of cash. Or your friends will call and say, don't go into the office today, they're arresting people.

Posted by: H.O. Gage at February 22, 2014 08:12 AM (xTV0s)

237 #3 - Mark Steyn is brilliant. That countersuit is a pisser, especially paragraph 111. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 22, 2014 09:32 AM (olDqf) Oh, and wonder of wonders, he's got a piece coming out in NR! http://tinyurl.com/mfpnu3m Says it's dated February 24, though; still 2 days left for NR to panic and order all copies yanked and pulped.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at February 22, 2014 08:15 AM (FkH4y)

238 224 It's hard for me to see how Ukraine ends up keeping all it's territory. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 12:00 PM (ZPrif) An amicable divorce seems to be the best option. Curiously, that also applies to another country we're all familiar with.

Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 08:20 AM (sdi6R)

239 This story makes it sound like Obama is hip deep in Ukraine.

http://tinyurl.com/lzqlfqd


Posted by: H.O. Gage at February 22, 2014 08:26 AM (xTV0s)

240 The best resource I've found on this is Michael J.Totten and Alexander Motyl. Totten recently wrote on Cuba, I think it was linked here at A of S. Link to Totten, (thanks to Small Dead Animals blog) http://tinyurl.com/l4pwwwq

Posted by: JHW at February 22, 2014 08:26 AM (a6SQ5)

241 191 ----Venezuela seems a harder egg to crack as far as What they are exactly fighting for. Is it that they are disappointed toilet paper and milk did not arrive freely? Is the anger at not getting their share on time? Or do they want freedom from Socilaism? anyone grocked that yet? Posted by: willow at February 22, 2014 11:26 AM (nqBYe) ---------------------------- The Venezuelan situation is more like our own. The 48% who never voted for Chavez have been distressed for a long, long time. Along with the obvious deterioration of the economy under crude socialism, there has been a steady closing of doors for peaceful opposition. Chavez used his economic power to reward friends and punish enemies, to shut down papers and stations opposing him in the name of "fairness" and "national security." The Dinesh D'Souza's are arrested on dubious charges. The IRS and other agencies oppress anyone who might help the opposition to Holy Socialism and Dear Leader Chavez. Elections come and go. Always the same result, no matter how awful the government is. Ballots are found in trucks. Districts with 100,000 people turn in 200,000 votes. Chicago. Police protection is removed from districts that are anti-Chavez. Gangs and narco-punks are enlisted to maintain order, the order that Chavez wants. The judiciary is politicized and the rule-of-law becomes a joke. Congress means nothing as the Leader rules by decree. There is a reason why my mother has been calling Obama "Baby Hugo" since 2008. (She is Cuban but has several relatives in Venezuela.) The problem for the chavistas is that crime and economic distress have woken the LIVs up and they are now siding with the anti-socialists.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2014 08:26 AM (dfYL9)

242 Curiously, that also applies to another country we're all familiar with.
Yes, rickl; we should have kicked Quebec out a long time ago.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 22, 2014 08:27 AM (14um2)

243 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2014 12:26 PM (dfYL9) Great comment. I think that probably sums it up nicely. Gangs and narco-punks are enlisted to maintain order I do believe that's the "civilian national security force" that Obama spoke of.

Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 08:31 AM (sdi6R)

244 Hip deep???
weaselzippers.us/175728-unreal-obama-admin-takes-credit-for-ukrainian-peace-deal/

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 22, 2014 08:34 AM (14um2)

245 willow Street crime in Venezuela is off the charts. Government thugs assassinate opposition figures and make it look like street crime. Shortages, yes, but only part of it. The last straw was an unsolved brutal rape in a college town. Protesters were attacked by government thugs, as is their way.

Posted by: Beagle at February 22, 2014 08:35 AM (sOtz/)

246 In the LA Times it's reported that the protestors have control of parliament and are going to impeach the president.

http://tinyurl.com/lklr8ya

The riot police have left the streets.

Posted by: H.O. Gage at February 22, 2014 08:35 AM (xTV0s)

247 Thugism like shooting to death the 20-year-old former beauty pageant winner. (sock link)

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 22, 2014 08:37 AM (14um2)

248 Tbh the Venezuela situation interests me more than Ukraine, because that one truly seems like The Burning Times many of us imagine and it is instructive to see what happens, provided we can get at all reliable info about it.





Ukraine is the same old story that has played out in that part of the world since time immemorial.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at February 22, 2014 08:37 AM (IPz9m)

249 "unreal-obama-admin-takes-credit-for-ukrainian-peace-deal.." The one they just signed? The one that lasted about 9 minutes? That one? Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 22, 2014 08:39 AM (B0Uag)

250 >>>In the LA Times it's reported that the protestors have control of parliament and are going to impeach the president.

Go read the Interpreter liveblog I posted -- this is way behind in terms of what has already happened: http://tinyurl.com/mm53rja

Yanukovych has already been removed by the Rada.  It's not "controlled by protesters" at all, really -- it has a perfectly legal quorum because a significant number of Yanukovych's own ruling Party of Regions came over to the opposition side after the violence and have voted with them on the reforms.  The legal aspects of what is going on right now are in fact quite legal from a procedural perspective, not a 'coup' at all.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 22, 2014 08:39 AM (ewYO6)

251 Yeah, America's future is probably more Latin Leftist than Slavic. Mostly because we've imported tens of millions of latin leftists.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 08:40 AM (ZPrif)

252 the Ukrainians won by using their hyper lethal riot shields to kill all the police

Posted by: navycopjoe killing with his ninja killing shield at February 22, 2014 08:40 AM (At8tV)

253 The head of the Fritz Pollard Alliance, which monitors diversity in the NFL, expects the league to institute a rule where players would be penalized 15 yards for using the N-word on the field. John Wooten, the head of the Fritz Pollard Alliance, anticipates that the NFL's competition committee will enact the rule at the owners' meeting next month. "We did talk about it, I'm sure that you saw near the end of the year that Fritz Pollard (Alliance) came out very strong with the message that the league needs to do something about the language on the field," said Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome, who is on the league's competition committee. "So we did discuss over the last three days." Newsome also said the committee talked about other slurs coming under any possible new rule, including homophobic slurs.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 08:45 AM (ZPrif)

254 So, 15 yd penalty if one black dude calls another black dude the n-word.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 08:46 AM (ZPrif)

255 "using the N-word" What about "poopy head" and "butt face?" Those might hurt someone's feelings too.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 22, 2014 08:48 AM (AV6ED)

256 Jeff B. reading that link is like being in Paris 1789.

Posted by: H.O. Gage at February 22, 2014 08:49 AM (xTV0s)

257 172. irongrampa Interesting date marking the conquest of Christian Syria and the Levant by the Muslims who began their conquests from the Arabian Deserts. But for most Americans whose concept of history BEGINS after the US/Vietnam War, our public misconception assumes the Syria is an uncivilized backwater, which Syria is not. Furthermore, it is our own American culture that functions on the premise of "change" for its own sake, a disposable culture as some could critique. As far as the Muslim conquests went, yes, a lot of killing of all who would not conform. Hence, a great loss of the "best" thinkers where ever Arabian Desert Muslims chose not to adapt according to what they learned along their route from civilizations absorbed. That said, within each respective society, during the Ottoman Empire, the typical Christian serf and peasantry were no better off than the typical Muslim. Europe still has its own inbred problems today, immigration or not, self destructing. As do we Americans, yet demanding more legislation to fix our problems in life. According to the US State Department, in Syria, education is free and compulsory from ages 6 to 12. Schooling consists of 6 years of primary education followed by a 3-year general or vocational training period and a 3-year academic or vocational program. The second 3-year period of academic training is required for university admission. Total enrollment at post-secondary schools is over 150,000. The literacy rate of Syrians aged 15 and older is 90.7% for males and 82.2% for females. It doesn't seem right to typecast Syrians as uneducated and unsophisticated. Those terms apply to the "modern" American populations, too, each subsequent generation. Cleveland observed the obvious loud and clear "a long time ago" in 1908.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 22, 2014 08:49 AM (MhA4j)

258 251 Yeah, America's future is probably more Latin Leftist than Slavic. Mostly because we've imported tens of millions of latin leftists. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 12:40 PM (ZPrif) Uh huh.

Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 08:50 AM (sdi6R)

259 Looks like, for now, it's just the n-word. Sounds like they also considered penalizing some gay slurs, too. I assume fag. Pretty sure trash talking is all about questioning the other dude's manhood and implying he's a pussy. For now, it looks like the NFL is just determined to ban the n-word.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 08:51 AM (ZPrif)

260 253 --- American sentimental fascism. Nannies treating adults like little children, while pointing a gun at their heads. I wish black players would speak out against this. I also wish I could eat like a piggy and still stay slim.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2014 08:53 AM (dfYL9)

261 Margarita Deville, what are your mothers thoughts on the possibilty of Venezuela having the ability to survive long enough to actuate a Free country of a sort? Or do the 47 % have a stronger hand? Margarita, it's rther chilling the similarities to what we feel is starting here isn't it? Beagle thanks for that comment also. It all helps with a clear er picture of the people and the problems they face.

Posted by: willow at February 22, 2014 08:54 AM (nqBYe)

262 willow @241 also. The government has shut down all opposition media, the Internet, corrupted electoral politics and the judiciary. Chicago South

Posted by: Beagle at February 22, 2014 08:54 AM (sOtz/)

263 259 Sounds like they also considered penalizing some gay slurs, too that makes aaron Rodgers a sad sad panda

Posted by: navycopjoe killing with his ninja killing shield at February 22, 2014 08:55 AM (At8tV)

264 260 I also wish I could eat like a piggy and still stay slim. easy, do it the nkj way 3 packs a day, 20+ cups of coffee, and a tapeworm

Posted by: navycopjoe killing with his ninja killing shield at February 22, 2014 08:57 AM (At8tV)

265 Beagle re;media uh hmm, govts that want to retain power always do something similar. hope we keep slapping the fccc down. I had also read a few days ago somehwere the Dem politicians and gave a list have asked the IRS to do more against their opponents. do not like interesting times. and am flabbergasted at the malice of the media.

Posted by: willow at February 22, 2014 08:58 AM (nqBYe)

266 Michelle Malkin ‏@michellemalkin 8m Democrat #waronwomen #waronspeech MT @DRUDGE_REPORT Dem threatens TV station licenses over Obamacare ad http://drudge.tw/1l8XMup

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 09:00 AM (ZPrif)

267 Kiev and Caracas nood at the top.

Posted by: Beagle at February 22, 2014 09:01 AM (sOtz/)

268 Beagle, when i refer to media's malice i meant our own. That we have to scrub around anywhere and everywhere to get any cler picture of what is going on . here or there.

Posted by: willow at February 22, 2014 09:02 AM (nqBYe)

269 248. KG To us in America, yes, absolutely. I'm still thinking about what I heard this morning; can't yet say what all I make of it. But still, persuasive arguments made RT.com Keiser Report. Earlier this morning, Alasdair MacLeod mentioned TARP, the US tax funds given to the global banks to guarantee the Dollar stay the base for trade, but that the global banks did a "yo-yo trick" appearing to put the money forward (to lend) but immediately retracting it for themselves. Hording. The propagandized "trickle down economics" argument proved to prevent upward mobility. America has yet to "get it right" diplomatically south of our border. All the NAFTA type treaties are "sins" in the sense that they only benefit the wealthiest involved, completely "missing the mark" of uplifting opportunities for the working class. Keiser Report episode 566 "Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert discuss the new game called the Hunger Gains. In a financialzed zero-sum world, Housing Gains plus Hunger Pains equals The Hunger Gains. This game is sponsored by China, however, and if they withdraw their sponsorship by dumping their trillion in US Treasuries, a new game called working may have to happen. In the second half, Max interviews Alasdair MacLeod of Goldmoney.com about the redemption of emerging market currencies into the US dollar mirroring pre-WW1 bank runs, except on a global scale. With this ongoing global bank run happening, it is China that is buying up all the gold."

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 22, 2014 09:03 AM (MhA4j)

270 Just because someone is legitimately elected doesn't mean they can't be removed from power for violations of law. Look what happened to Honduran President Zelaya. Both the Honduran Congress and Supreme Court found him guilty of trying to illegally change the Constitution and he was thus kicked out, although the Left (especially our President and Sec of State Clinton) considered it a coup, given Zelaya's Leftist tendencies, and threatened sanctions unless the "legitimate" President was re-instated. Dictators: once you elect a Dick, you're usually stuck with him.

Posted by: jim at February 22, 2014 09:06 AM (VwhRo)

271 259 when the rainbow coalition extends the olive branch of mutual respect to others (traditional), I'll cry them a Volga.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 22, 2014 09:06 AM (MhA4j)

272 261 Margarita Deville, what are your mothers thoughts on the possibilty of Venezuela having the ability to survive long enough to actuate a Free country of a sort? Or do the 47 % have a stronger hand? Margarita, it's rther chilling the similarities to what we feel is starting here isn't it? Posted by: willow at February 22, 2014 12:54 PM (nqBYe) ----------------------------- The similarities are indeed chilling! I don't know about the short term in Venezuela. The chavistas will not give up power easily. But if they can get rid of them, Venezuela's prospects are very good. Venezuela still has a strong, if currently reeling, middle class. It's a 2nd-world+ country, not all that poor. (Well, I mean it WASN'T.) They aren't used to this kind of deprivation. They look at neighboring Colombia, always a much poorer country and one that they kind of looked down on, and they can see the economic growth. They can see toilet paper from their houses!!! The crime (much of it state-sponsored) and deprivation have become intolerable and I do not think the opposition will back down. They want to be Chile, not Cuba. One of my mom's cousins is a university professor in Caracas. Unlike our slavish, Caesar-worshipping academics, the students and profs are solidly against chavismo. I hope they can prevail. Our prayers wouldn't hurt!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2014 09:26 AM (dfYL9)

273

J.J., regarding what you said about Jews getting out of the Ukraine, from what I've been told, a lot already have.  Some years ago I worked with this guy from the Ukraine, who was also Jewish.  When I asked him how he ended up in Texas, he said that one of the reasons was that in recent years he and his family had started to get fucked with for being Jewish in the Ukraine, and he'd had enough.  He also mentioned that a lot of other Jews there had moved out for the same reasons.  The more things change and all that...

 

Posted by: The Oort Cloud at February 22, 2014 09:56 AM (NKoXJ)

274 Obama and Putin had a telecon.  Nothing good is coming to Ukraine.

Posted by: gracepmc at February 22, 2014 11:06 AM (rznx3)

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