February 22, 2014
— Ace So speculates Meghan McArdle.
Venezuela's cities are convulsed with riots. A local beauty queen was shot in the head during protests over . . . well, everything: chronic shortages of basic goods, increasing repression of free speech by a government that clearly feels it cannot tolerate any dissent. She is not the only person to have been killed in recent days. The government is cracking down -- hard -- on any and all opposition....
As the economy has deteriorated, the government has resorted to dubious stopgaps such as price controls. The price controls have produced more shortages, leading to more stopgaps . . . and more political repression to control complaints about the shortages and stopgaps. People made much of the fact that Chavez won elections -- but less of the fact that he won them in the context of government policies that required television stations to broadcast hours of his speeches every week. And that he silenced stations that opposed him.
She notes that the people, no longer having any means of legal dissent with the government, are now resorting to the illegal ones.
More: According to Ronald Radosh, the Nation is too busy defending Putin's attack on Ukraine to address Venezuela at all.
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Posted by: Adam at February 22, 2014 02:32 PM (Aif/5)
He's probably busy saving Haiti or the environment or something.
Posted by: huerfano at February 22, 2014 02:33 PM (bAGA/)
Posted by: Scott at February 22, 2014 02:33 PM (2WkUk)
Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 02:36 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 22, 2014 02:37 PM (A9hpr)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 02:37 PM (z4WKX)
Venezuela is a Gun Free Paradise.
No citizens are supposed to have guns.
Notice how the Chavimos (Maduro's motorcycle borne thugs) seem to have guns though.
And Venezuela has one of the worst crime rates on the globe.
But it is GUN FREE!!!
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 02:37 PM (D+lxs)
Posted by: Auntie M at February 22, 2014 02:38 PM (NiihZ)
Posted by: Aggressive Micropenis at February 22, 2014 02:42 PM (LHgfw)
I found this web-site through Small Dead Animals.
Caracas Chronicles, since the MSM is ignoring the story.
http://tinyurl.com/yerdq5o
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 02:42 PM (D+lxs)
Stolen from that second link:
Sohrab Ahmari notes that Kennedy is busy airing TV ads heralding Maduro for providing cheap subsidized fuel to the poor in the Bay Area, provided to Kennedy’s corporation, Citizens Energy. “The cold can overwhelm even the toughest among us,” the ad states, “and the heating bills keep piling on.” Then Mr. Kennedy himself appears on screen, and says: “The people of Venzuela and President Maduro are once again…the only country to answer our call to provide heating assistance to the poor.” Given that Kennedy makes this statement precisely at the moment when demonstrators are being shot and the opposition leader jailed, Mr. Ahmari writes that Kennedy now has the distinction of being the most prominent “useful idiot” singing the praises of Maduro’s crumbling regime.
That Kennedy is Joseph Kennedy II.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 22, 2014 02:43 PM (n0DEs)
I will fight socialism until hell freezes over, then I will fight on ice.
Posted by: AE at February 22, 2014 02:43 PM (+ft6G)
And Barky is probably thinking to himself...
"Hey, can I do that too? ...Can I start killing people who don't agree with me?"
Posted by: wheatie at February 22, 2014 02:43 PM (DEUoo)
Economics: not impressed by tyrants since the dawn of time.
Posted by: kartoffel at February 22, 2014 02:44 PM (07vvi)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 02:45 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 22, 2014 02:45 PM (spmY9)
My dad worked for the (now, former) Sun Oil Company. Their holdings and works were nationalized in Venezuela three separate times over 40 years. Maybe four. And yet they kept going back.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 22, 2014 02:46 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Rip Steakface at February 22, 2014 02:46 PM (gMMRD)
Posted by: J.D. Pulingler at February 22, 2014 02:46 PM (EsfUt)
Posted by: blaster at February 22, 2014 02:47 PM (4+AaH)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 22, 2014 02:47 PM (jsa6I)
How long until President obama sends in troops to prop up the present regime?
Posted by: Scott at February 22, 2014 06:33 PM (2WkUk)
According to Madauro and Chavez before him (and any leftist), it is all the fault of the Imperialist Colonialist U.S. Sinister forces from here are trying to enslave the Venezuelans.
It is all our fault.
They cannot produce oil -- Our Fault
Not the fact that Chavez fired all the competent managers, engineers, and petroleum technicians in Petrobas and replaced them with loyal stooges.
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 02:48 PM (D+lxs)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 02:48 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 22, 2014 02:49 PM (rAeZm)
Translated to Barky.
Posted by: The Hickster at February 22, 2014 02:50 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 22, 2014 02:50 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Barack O'Stalin at February 22, 2014 02:51 PM (Q6pxP)
Argentina will be doing this by the end of the year.
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 02:52 PM (D+lxs)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 22, 2014 02:52 PM (rAeZm)
I'm only about 3% joking.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at February 22, 2014 02:53 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Furious George at February 22, 2014 02:53 PM (P85Pz)
Almost as if a slow economy in the US and the whole world blows up.
Posted by: J.D. Pulingler at February 22, 2014 02:54 PM (EsfUt)
Margaret Kratcher said "the problem with socialism is eventually run out of other people's money" is bullshit, because all you have to do is print more.
Barack and I know this to be true because we've been printing for five years and the United States is stronger than ever. Take that conservatives.
Posted by: Joey Biden at February 22, 2014 02:55 PM (nQjHM)
Posted by: Furious George at February 22, 2014 02:55 PM (P85Pz)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 02:56 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Beagle at February 22, 2014 02:56 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 22, 2014 02:56 PM (jsa6I)
Posted by: Hawk at February 22, 2014 02:56 PM (oMYHY)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 02:58 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Admiral Painter at February 22, 2014 02:58 PM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: YIKES! at February 22, 2014 02:58 PM (mETGQ)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 22, 2014 02:58 PM (rAeZm)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 03:00 PM (ZPrif)
Maduro is sure gonna be surprised when Barky McFuckstick gives him lip service and a couple of billion in aid, but no meaningful support. I hope that fat socialist tin horn and his minions end up in Cuba working as hotels bell hops and maids.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 22, 2014 03:00 PM (Lo5Rt)
Posted by: Darth Randall at February 22, 2014 03:00 PM (xWgW3)
Isn't it odd that both Venezuela and Ukraine are both in the news at the same time? Well, and Syria, the middle east, Northern Africa, Central Africa, East Africa, South Africa, China, all at the same time? Odd that.
Almost as if a slow economy in the US and the whole world blows up.
Posted by: J.D. Pulingler at February 22, 2014 06:54 PM (EsfUt)
I will fundamentally transform America.
Posted by: Some dude with a teleprompter at February 22, 2014 03:00 PM (D+lxs)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 03:01 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2014 03:01 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Aggressive Micropenis at February 22, 2014 03:02 PM (LHgfw)
Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 22, 2014 03:02 PM (/cUUk)
There's money to be made here sending troops and war material overseas. Where's McCain and his stalwart ally?
Posted by: J.D. Pulingler at February 22, 2014 03:02 PM (EsfUt)
Posted by: EPA at February 22, 2014 03:04 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 03:05 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 22, 2014 03:05 PM (/cUUk)
If revolutions necessarily resulted in freedom the world would be a much simpler place.
Posted by: kartoffel at February 22, 2014 03:05 PM (07vvi)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 22, 2014 03:06 PM (dJcew)
Posted by: Aggressive Micropenis at February 22, 2014 03:06 PM (LHgfw)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 03:06 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2014 03:07 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 22, 2014 03:07 PM (rAeZm)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 22, 2014 03:08 PM (jsa6I)
BTH, you probably meant to say Hitchens in his last 10-15 years as a guidepost. Prior to that - pretty much a reliable (and nasty) bootlicker of fascism and authoritarianism, probably not per se but because they were the enemies of the evil US and UK. I think 9/11 converted him. But I didn't pay close attention to him since he had always been a reliable opponent of common sense and decency before.
The Nation? I think I saw that POS, to my astonishment, in the house of my oldest friend last time I visited. I haven't been back partly because I sense that his dad (who lives with him), has gone wacko in his last years and become some kind of leftist idiot. And unlike before, I can no longer tolerate this crap. So I won't visit them again, probably, and if I do, I'd at least blast my friend for having an insane, racist, fascist publication in his house. He's nice, but won't really understand. Like my oldest brother, he probably has this moronic misconception that "fascist" relates to "corporations", as opposed to the state. Typical upside-down ignorance of a 60s "educated" person.
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 03:08 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 03:09 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: NYT reporter, reporting from Venezuela at February 22, 2014 03:09 PM (/cUUk)
I am not sure what Saudi Arabia Muslim population is & really donÂ’t care enough to find out.
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 07:01 PM (z4WKX)
FYI Saudi Arabia is mostly Sunni. KSA use the Wahabbists to guard Mecca and Saudi morals. Wahabbists are fundamentalists, like Osama.
The Saudi coast by the Persian Gulf has Shia Arabs. They feel like second class citizens. -- And look to Iran for moral support.
So with a little bad luck, maybe Saudi Arabia will end up like Iraq or Syria with the Shia fighting Sunni, and various tribes fighting each other. And oil production could plummet.
Posted by: Some dude with a teleprompter at February 22, 2014 03:09 PM (D+lxs)
provided to KennedyÂ’s corporation, Citizens Energy."
A corporation out of which Kennedy himself trousers a whole lot of money.
Oh, and that cheap subsidized fuel? It's cheap subsidized FOSSIL FUEL.
You know, the filthy toxin that's murdering Mother Earth by burning her alive with deadly carbon dioxide. Or so saith the left, incessantly, for decades.
Turns out that all of the left's hysterical objections to fossil fuels silently evaporate when icons of the left find those fuels personally profitable.
Fen's Law sees all, knows all, explains all.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 22, 2014 03:09 PM (gqT4g)
Plus, you're not allowed to shoot at them. The rats, I mean. Not the council.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 22, 2014 03:09 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2014 03:09 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2014 03:11 PM (lX1xQ)
Posted by: and irresolute at February 22, 2014 03:11 PM (RqHWH)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 22, 2014 03:11 PM (rAeZm)
Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 22, 2014 03:11 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: toby928© loves Grease Monkey at February 22, 2014 03:12 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Judge Pug at February 22, 2014 03:12 PM (6Nj7A)
Posted by: The Goat at February 22, 2014 03:12 PM (S0eIZ)
Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 03:12 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 03:13 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2014 07:11 PM (lX1xQ)
Yup.
I did feel like an enormous idiot upon discovering that Vitali Klitschko, yes, that Vitali Klitschko, is one of the opposition leaders.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at February 22, 2014 03:13 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 03:13 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: seamrog at February 22, 2014 03:13 PM (GEiVf)
Posted by: puddleglum at February 22, 2014 03:13 PM (8SsiG)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 03:13 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: NBC News at February 22, 2014 03:13 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2014 03:14 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 03:14 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: kartoffel at February 22, 2014 03:15 PM (07vvi)
Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2014 03:15 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 22, 2014 03:15 PM (xq1UY)
Hitch was off the leftist reservation before that. He absolutely loathed the Clintons.
Much of this was likely due to Hitchens having known Bill while they were moving in the same leftist circles in the UK, and having sized up Clinton at that time as a sleazy chancer, and then watching that same sleazy chancer rise to huge power by wholly cynical means.
Hitchens liked to think of himself as a principled man, and looked down upon those he considered unprincipled, and he finally had to realize the hard way that many of those with whom he was sharing the left wing were not merely unprincipled, but profoundly and sickeningly so.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 22, 2014 03:15 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: toby928© loves Grease Monkey at February 22, 2014 03:15 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 22, 2014 03:15 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at February 22, 2014 07:13 PM (Gk3SS)
I think there is a reason that the Head Rabbi in Kiev told the Jews to get out of town.
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 03:15 PM (D+lxs)
Gee, PD Lulinger or whatever your name is, maybe they're in the news cuz, ya know, things are happening there (see definition of "news"). And the US economy is no slower than it was 1 or 3 years ago. Oh, and "war hawks", and merchants of death idiocy. Only one element missing here, begins with "j".
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 03:15 PM (afQnV)
Honest officer, that's the last thing I remember saying.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 22, 2014 03:16 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 22, 2014 03:16 PM (rAeZm)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2014 03:16 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 03:17 PM (ZPrif)
I did feel like an enormous idiot upon discovering that Vitali Klitschko, yes, that Vitali Klitschko, is one of the opposition leaders.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at February 22, 2014 07:13 PM (Gk3SS)
Here's what an online lefty friend (I call him the little commie son I never had) in Berlin had to say about it:
Very perceptive. I regard the Ukrainian protest movement with distant skepticism for precisely the reasons Snyder names -- the uncomfortable number of fascists mixing themselves into it and the illusions people seem to have about the EU -- but Russia is in no position to play "spot the Nazi." I'm also irritated by how Western "leftists" seem to respond to every protest movement without a clearly defined ideological character as somehow being a mere tool of the nebulous "West" to undermine (insert name of X nation-state here). As if the EU doesn't have its own problems to deal with right now and has nothing better to do than needlessly antagonize Putin's oil-rent neo-czarist state. People tend to take for granted how parliamentary democracy and a stable, regulated capitalism, while definitely not the ideal end of history, are nonetheless something like a material baseline for even being able to comfortably sit back and think about society at all. Then again, maybe I'm not the right person to ask, since I caught hell from my lefty Facebook friends a few weeks ago (including a UC Santa Cruz professor) for daring to say that I don't think any kind of socialist society is a realistic prospect in our lifetimes, for which I was roundly denounced as a gloomy pessimist, anti-Marxist, etc.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2014 03:18 PM (lX1xQ)
Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 22, 2014 03:18 PM (/cUUk)
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 03:18 PM (8lmkt)
91 Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2014 07:14 PM (nzKvP)
The NFL will look awful dope when all the brothas be thrown out the game
Posted by: who actually uses that word? at February 22, 2014 03:18 PM (D+lxs)
Posted by: toby928© loves Grease Monkey at February 22, 2014 03:19 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: America, America at February 22, 2014 03:20 PM (nzKvP)
Flatbush put it well re Hitchens. The fact that he was a skilled and entertaining polemicist made him a darling with many right-sided folks after 9/11. I just never got past his apologist antics for fascism, authoritarianism, and worse during most of his life. Moral imbecility is the bane of the modern era, and he embodied it perfectly most of his life.
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 03:20 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 22, 2014 03:20 PM (rAeZm)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2014 03:21 PM (nzKvP)
107 Welcome back!
Venezuela had a similar per capita income as Europe in the 1980's.
And Argentina was the richest country is South America in the early 1900's.
Amazing what socialism can do for a country.
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 03:22 PM (D+lxs)
Posted by: America, America at February 22, 2014 07:20 PM (nzKvP)
If you like your toilet paper, you can keep your toilet paper. At least we are not there yet, although it would not surprise me if we see some of that.
OTOH, someone sent me a really great quote earlier today:
Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, shits on the board and then struts around like he won. Vladimir Putin, 2013 (awesome!!!)
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 03:22 PM (8lmkt)
Hi Peaches. Now get away from the keyboard, get Fluffy, and do some dry-firing practice (you do have snap-caps, dontcha?) ..... just kidding, nice to see you here.
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 03:22 PM (afQnV)
And 'j' was a character in Men in Black.
Posted by: J.D. Pulingler at February 22, 2014 03:22 PM (EsfUt)
Posted by: puddleglum at February 22, 2014 03:22 PM (8SsiG)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 22, 2014 03:23 PM (igJ6Y)
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 03:24 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: eman at February 22, 2014 03:24 PM (AO9UG)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 03:24 PM (ZPrif)
rd, good points about Venezuela and Argentina.
In the Argentine case, I believe it matched/exceeded the US in most measures of development up until the 1920s. And what followed wasn't really socialism in any European sense, but prototypical South American innovation: class warfare, rent-seeking control of politics, ugly populism, and ultimately stagnation and decline. In a country of truly staggering potential, not to mention beauty.
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 03:25 PM (afQnV)
I try not to get involved in these discussions, since I'm pretty damn far off the reservation on the topic; but if it's their field it's their rules.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 22, 2014 07:20 PM (rAeZm)
Without a doubt the enneffell has a right to state what they don't consider inappropriate behavior at the workplace. The problem will be getting the poor refs, who already do a poor job interpreting the dogshit rules that Goodell's idiot catamites make them enforce without this hot steaming garbage. Plus I can't wait for Jethro Bodine Stedman, double aught lawyer, to start filing the disparate impact statements on ejections for this. The chinless fuckhead versus Pudgy Roger? Moar beer and popcorn.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2014 03:25 PM (lX1xQ)
Was that Today or in 1941?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 22, 2014 07:16 PM (nzKvP)
Legal Insurrection (LUN)
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 03:25 PM (D+lxs)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo doesn't make the rules at February 22, 2014 03:25 PM (rAeZm)
Posted by: seamrog at February 22, 2014 03:26 PM (GEiVf)
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 03:27 PM (8lmkt)
Peaches, your call of course, but I cannot agree. The idea with dry-firing is to improve your grip and trigger pull and just make holding and firing that little revolver second-nature to you. You don't have to be aiming at competitive speed shooting to benefit from practice.
Double-action, single-action, off-hand (no support hand), left-handed - just fire and fire. It also practices your getting/holding the sight picture you want (aim at objects in the house or pictures on the wall). It also will help smooth out Fluffy's action, making for a lighter/smoother trigger pull over time.
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 03:28 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: tasker at February 22, 2014 03:29 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 03:30 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo doesn't make the rules at February 22, 2014 03:30 PM (rAeZm)
Thread winner @132
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo doesn't make the rules at February 22, 2014 07:30 PM (rAeZm)
what, they don't get the NYT there? pre-softened . . .
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 03:31 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: tasker at February 22, 2014 07:29 PM (RJMhd)
Just don't include any pictures of the editor and publisher, Katranny vanden Trustfund, along with it or there might be a national outbreak of permanent impotence.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2014 03:31 PM (lX1xQ)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 22, 2014 03:32 PM (rAeZm)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 22, 2014 03:32 PM (yDmQD)
"Plus he has the Catholic guilt--thus he atones in some ludicrous and counterproductive ways. Plus he's stupid, there's that"
The Kennedys are Catholic like Al Capone was Catholic. They don't seem to be feeling much Catholic guilt over their support of baby murder.
I'd go with stupid, except if he's personally making a bunch of money for his support than it really isn't stupidity that's driving him. More like evil and greed.
Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at February 22, 2014 03:33 PM (R3gO3)
Posted by: eman at February 22, 2014 03:33 PM (AO9UG)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 22, 2014 07:32 PM (rAeZm)
so, you're saying I should switch to bigger beers? 
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 03:33 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2014 03:34 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: cryptocon at February 22, 2014 03:34 PM (cgWjy)
Hey, I like The Nation. They're thoughtful enough to issue their magazine on softer, absorbent and more comfortable newsprint, unlike those philistines at Time and Newsweek with their coated, slippery gloss paper.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 22, 2014 03:34 PM (aYjRw)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 03:34 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: knight at the kids square table at February 22, 2014 03:35 PM (q0r5L)
Posted by: The MSM at February 22, 2014 03:35 PM (6bMeY)
Re "Bloodlands" referenced above in connection with the Ukraine situation, I recently bought "Savage Continent" but could only force myself through 1/3 of it before the idiotic moral imbecility (remember, the bane of our era, see my comment above) and factual errors compelled me to put it away. Both books deal (the prior one focuses on) with the awful history in central Europe, esp. during/after WWII.
The author of the second book tosses off absurd lines like "the Geneva Conventions were widely ignored by all sides in WWII", and manages to write with a straight face that the problems with the Rhine Meadows POW camps after the war (Allies overwhelmed by logistics problems, POWs suffered) were linkable to some sort of thirst for vengeance that the by-then deceased FDR magically had previously communicated down through the US chain of command.
Oh, and the galactic record of mass organized systematic rape by the Red Army in eastern Europe and eastern Germany in 1945 was bad, but ...... the US had something like 17,000 soldiers brought up on rape charges from Torch to the surrender (in other words, a pretty small rate of occurrence for a multi-million man army fighting nearly 3 years of a tough war).
I'm not patient enough at the moment to cull the book for interesting facts - it's full of them - as I just cannot take this kind of NPR-stupid moral imbecility and laziness with history any longer.
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 03:35 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: tasker at February 22, 2014 03:35 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2014 03:36 PM (FFjKD)
Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2014 03:37 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: eman at February 22, 2014 03:37 PM (AO9UG)
Well besides the ones in front of the microphones that is.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 22, 2014 03:37 PM (osh8D)
Posted by: The MSM at February 22, 2014 03:37 PM (6bMeY)
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at February 22, 2014 03:38 PM (FkH4y)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 22, 2014 03:38 PM (rAeZm)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 22, 2014 03:38 PM (jsa6I)
Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2014 07:36 PM (FFjKD)
yeah, that . . . we'd be rudderless over there if it wasn't for those money-loving fuckwads.
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 03:39 PM (8lmkt)
Peaches that doesn't surprise me. Your SP101 is made of good ol' steel. Most likely that small semi-auto was half plastic, most are. You might end up preferring a semi, they are generally lighter. But that means you'll be getting much more of the recoil energy to deal with. A steel revolver will absorb a lot of that for you, making it easier to keep her aimed on-target.
But even with a plastic semi, I'd still recommend snap caps and dry fire practice - lots! That is if you want to become very proficient and capable with those firearms.
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 03:40 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2014 03:41 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at February 22, 2014 07:38 PM (FkH4y)
Ummmmmmm. . . .
Please tell me that was a joke and that you did, in fact, read today's gardening thread.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at February 22, 2014 03:41 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo loves swamp rabbits at February 22, 2014 03:42 PM (rAeZm)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 22, 2014 03:42 PM (yDmQD)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo loves swamp rabbits at February 22, 2014 03:43 PM (rAeZm)
Posted by: Epobirs at February 22, 2014 03:43 PM (bPxS6)
It's from 1913 or something, a legacy piece from a relative, no plastic whatsoever. very, very sweet, no kick, highly accurate, small caliber. as he told me, you'd need to shoot the guy about 12 times to bring him down. fluffy will do it in one, and it's not like i live in a fuckin palace. 7 yards, aim for center mass, call the carpet cleaners, done.
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 03:43 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2014 03:43 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 22, 2014 03:44 PM (osh8D)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo loves swamp rabbits at February 22, 2014 07:42 PM (rAeZm)
but he did and we do . . . no?
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 03:44 PM (8lmkt)
Notice how the Chavimos (Maduro's motorcycle borne thugs) seem to have guns though.
And Venezuela has one of the worst crime rates on the globe.
But it is GUN FREE!!!
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 06:37 PM (D+lxs)
Those creeps would be easy to deal with. Couple of hard points on either side of the street, and 50 yards of piano wire, and you get yourself a gun and a motorcycle (slightly the worse for wear).
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 22, 2014 07:32 PM (yDmQD)
Not when there are 20 of the punks in a pack.
You might get the first one or four, but not the rest. Besides, this is in the cities, where they only go about 20 mph, they'd just get knocked over. .
These jackals always go in mobs. They would be scared shitless if they are separated from their buddies. One or two guys with guns and they'd hightail it for Daddy Madauro. Who would send out the Nat'l Guard with armored vehicles. And then you introduce them to Mr. Molotov.
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 03:44 PM (D+lxs)
BTH, you're welcome. As I said, it clearly has lots of interesting facts. Impossible here to convey fully my problems with it. There's simply this perverse moral framework that infests so much of modern history and commentary. Funny, he recounts how the US soldiers who liberated Dachau basically shot many of the guards or let the inmates take them apart, he maintains some sort of moral neutrality about it, but then points out (as if absolving them of something "bad") that these troops were fresh out of battle or amped up and expecting battle with tough German units, unlike forces that liberated other camps away from the active front.
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 03:44 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 03:44 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2014 03:44 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: garrett at February 22, 2014 03:45 PM (FFjKD)
Posted by: seamrog at February 22, 2014 03:45 PM (GEiVf)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 22, 2014 07:38 PM (rAeZm)
A lot of morons have different reading tastes than I do but I find the book thread recs for history books to be bang spot on. Somebody recommended "The Great Upheaval" by Jay Winik after I finished Simon Schama's book on the French Revolution; whoever did that I'm eternally in his/her debt.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2014 03:45 PM (lX1xQ)
Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2014 03:45 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at February 22, 2014 03:47 PM (FkH4y)
Posted by: CMU VET at February 22, 2014 03:47 PM (ejB0r)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo loves swamp rabbits at February 22, 2014 07:42 PM (rAeZm)
That born again fuckhead really showed great Christian compassion by refusing to let a dying ally come here for cancer treatment.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2014 03:47 PM (lX1xQ)
The entire post was about composting.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at February 22, 2014 03:47 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2014 07:44 PM (dfYL9)
No shit, they are searching peoples' luggage for contraband feminine hygiene products? I will tell you now, the best thing that ever happened to me in this life was when I did not need to worry about that shit any more. Total proof the Big Guy is a man, imho. Jeez, bleeding from your crotch ever 28 days? Why not just a fuckin' plague of locusts? 
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 03:48 PM (8lmkt)
They have a horde of young Maria Conchita Alonso clones. Even the Helen Thomas Hustler spread couldn't overcome that.
Posted by: Epobirs at February 22, 2014 03:49 PM (bPxS6)
Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 03:49 PM (sdi6R)
Capt. Hate, funny, I knew Jay Winik back when we both worked on the Hill.
And I have no impression about "Bloodlands". My tolerance level for BS, even when embedded in useful material, has become close to zero. Guess in a world gone stupid, like ours in the US, I've just lost my sense of humor on these things.
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 03:49 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2014 03:49 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2014 03:50 PM (aTXUx)
Remember: if Carter hadn't bent over the Shah, we wouldn't even need the Saudis.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo loves swamp rabbits at February 22, 2014 07:42 PM (rAeZm)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This
Between Afghanistan and Iranian Islamic Revolution, the modern Islamic Terrorists were born. Most terrorists would have dried up, blown away, or been rooted out and killed after their Communist Kremlin sponsors were thrown out when the USSR collapsed.
Almost all the previous terrorists were good little marxists and communists.
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 03:51 PM (D+lxs)
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 03:51 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2014 03:53 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 07:49 PM (afQnV)
I assure you Bloodlands is not BS; rather it's a straight ahead accounting of an area that got caught between two totalitarian maniacal systems that has to be studied as a whole, not piecemeal.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2014 03:53 PM (lX1xQ)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2014 03:53 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: Elaine Benes at February 22, 2014 03:54 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at February 22, 2014 03:55 PM (FkH4y)
Capt. Hate, I wasn't implying anything about Bloodlands, and in fact I plan to get it based on your comments.
steevy, that's interesting - don't you find it amazing how ..... not sure what to call it, so I just call it moral imbecility (toxic cousin to moral equivalence) ..... just ruins these sorts of books? There appears to be tons of good info in that book about post-war Europe, and it is far from a general condemnation of the Allies, but ...... anyway, one just has to read it to understand, I guess.
Speaking of commie atrocities, I think I read somewhere that "The Great Terror" by Conquest was updated. I read the original when it came out, so I should check and get it if it has been updated.
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 03:56 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2014 03:56 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2014 03:57 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 07:51 PM (afQnV)
I have Bloodlands in my to read pile. Can you provide an example of the bad?
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 03:57 PM (D+lxs)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 22, 2014 03:58 PM (igJ6Y)
Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2014 03:59 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 07:34 PM (z4WKX)
sweet girl, I once did it with squirt caulking (which is easier, grout you gotta mix), even the plumbers were impressed. just seal the holes and gaps, that's all you need to do.
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 03:59 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: troyriser at February 22, 2014 04:00 PM (ptcFO)
Posted by: Caroline Kennedy at February 22, 2014 04:00 PM (qNZ3I)
Sorry for the confusion on my part. I'm impressed you worked with Jay Winik; he writes an incredibly readable narrative in The Great Upheaval. In fact when he talks about his source material he gives great credit to Schama but imo he's a much better writer.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2014 04:00 PM (lX1xQ)
Posted by: zombie Walter Duranty at February 22, 2014 04:01 PM (aTXUx)
One thing I noticed with the Kiev protests is that they thought outside the box. Armored vehicles like the ones your county sheriffs are getting now seem to be vulnerable to a shower of molotov cocktails and not easy for government goons to escape from.
Actually not a new idea. Molotovs have historically been one of the more effective close-in antitank weapons in war. They got their name from when the Finns perfected them to cook commies in their tanks during the Winter War. The name was a bit of black humor to buck up soldiers' morale in a difficult time.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 22, 2014 04:01 PM (aYjRw)
Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2014 04:02 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 04:02 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 22, 2014 04:05 PM (dJcew)
Styrofoam peanuts is supposed to be quite effective. At least according to the internet. And it could never be on the internet unless it was true.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 22, 2014 04:07 PM (aYjRw)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 04:07 PM (z4WKX)
That's fine; I wasn't trying to imply that the Shah was a saint. But he was the least bad choice at the time imo in an area which has gone steadily downhill thanks in large part to Carter's ineptitude. Probably Sadat did some things that we wouldn't look on favorably to reach and hold on to power; but he made a brave choice at the time which Carter got undeserved credit for facilitating and Sadat ultimately paid the highest price for it. Much better people than Carter have died doing things for which he took a large part of the credit and spent nothing for it.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2014 04:07 PM (lX1xQ)
http://madgeniusclub.com/2014/02/20/sfwa-glittery-hoo-haas-bravely-flog-dead-horse/
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 22, 2014 04:08 PM (osh8D)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 22, 2014 08:07 PM (aYjRw)
roflmao!!!
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 04:08 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 04:08 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 22, 2014 04:08 PM (igJ6Y)
Posted by: Caroline Kennedy at February 22, 2014 04:11 PM (qNZ3I)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2014 04:12 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:44 PM (ZPrif)
¿Qué soy yo, un cero a la izquierda?
Posted by: Antonio de Padua María Severino López de Santa Anna y Pérez de Lebrón at February 22, 2014 04:12 PM (2DunM)
Posted by: Wallowing in Ignorance at February 22, 2014 04:12 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: troyriser at February 22, 2014 04:12 PM (ptcFO)
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 22, 2014 04:12 PM (E+uky)
Posted by: Ralphie Parker, Left Tackle at February 22, 2014 04:12 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 22, 2014 04:12 PM (osh8D)
Posted by: Roman Polanski at February 22, 2014 04:13 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 04:14 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 22, 2014 04:14 PM (osh8D)
Posted by: Mr Parker, NFL ref at February 22, 2014 04:15 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Caroline Kennedy at February 22, 2014 08:11 PM (qNZ3I)
You would burden women with babies? And I thought we were on the same side. {spits} Reggie, get your big throbbing member over here, I need healing.
Posted by: Barky the appeaser at February 22, 2014 04:15 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 04:15 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 22, 2014 04:16 PM (igJ6Y)
Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2014 04:16 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 22, 2014 04:16 PM (E+uky)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 04:16 PM (aDwsi)
SAVAK, the Shah's intelligence service, tortured and executed hundreds of suspected dissidents, and not all of those dissidents were Islamic extremists associated with the Ayatollah Khomeini, who was safely hiding out in Paris at the time. Some of those people were reporters who reported too much. Others were simply seeking greater liberalization of an irrefutably oppressive regime.
Yes, it was the Cold War, and like Somoza in Nicaragua, the Shah was our bastard, as the saying went. That said, the Shah truly was a bastard, with the blood of hundreds of innocent people on his hands. Later, the Shah claimed he didn't know about all the torture and killings going on in his name, under his authority. Hard to believe, and not nearly good enough.
No, Carter wasn't right in turning his back on the Shah and his government and essentially opening the door for all that followed, but you'll excuse me if I don't shed any tears for the pain endured by the late Shah of Iran.
Posted by: troyriser at February 22, 2014 08:00 PM (ptcFO)
And the Ayatollah's fanatics and thugs killed Tens of Thousands Every Year. A lot of Iranian officers, bureaucrats, Jews, B'ahai, and Zoroastrians. A real blood bath. Wholesale vs Retail oppression. And exported terorism to other countries.
In some ways, the Sunni Al-qaeda is a response by the gulf states to the Shia Iranian Revolutionary Guards, Qods Force, Hezbollah, and the like. Iran supports mostly Shia terror groups and the Gulf States support the Sunni terrorists.
The smart Iranians got the fuck out. And like Peaches said, many came to LA
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 04:17 PM (D+lxs)
...never mind.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 22, 2014 08:16 PM (igJ6Y)
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 04:17 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: BignJames at February 22, 2014 04:17 PM (j7iSn)
Let me guess Mike, you finally found out what your cat has been surfing the Internet for...
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 22, 2014 04:17 PM (osh8D)
http://gcaptain.com/ ice-canoe-racing- canada/
remove the extra space after the com slash and the racing dash.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Wrathful Grapes and Contemptuous Celery in the Produce Department! at February 22, 2014 04:18 PM (gmoEG)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 04:18 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 04:19 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 04:20 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 08:19 PM (aDwsi)
that was the funniest pic ever . . . guessing maybe I saw it here . . . sorry, the last couple of weeks have been a blur (yes, more than usual)
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 04:20 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 22, 2014 04:20 PM (jsa6I)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 04:20 PM (z4WKX)
Hey yankeefifth, just in case I don't check in for the ONT, I was a week behind on Helix. Ryan's character was from the company. She explained in her second scene with the facility director (for the audience-he obviously already knew) that the reason the virus is affecting people is that there in fact two different viruses at work. The first (that liquifies the victim) is what he's supposed to be working on for purposes of genocide and world domination. The second (hulk zombie version) he claims is a back up since they couldn't develop a cure for the first, and she seems to think it's something else he was told not to work on.
It's not really clear what it's purpose is except that the major character we know has been infected develops changes with her eyes that Ryan's character also displayed earlier in the episode, so maybe a recreation of something? I'm half expecting aliens to be behind it all at this point.
Haven't watched last nights episode yet.
Posted by: Methos at February 22, 2014 04:20 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 04:21 PM (aDwsi)
girl, my fave aunt (94 and heartily sick of that shitty New England weather as of this writing) told me once, years ago, none of us ever had a hot flash in our lives. i never did either but my sis? holy crap, she's been having that for years, a lot of years, it's just crazypants!
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 04:23 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 04:24 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2014 04:24 PM (aTXUx)
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/selection-du-weekend-76-41.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 22, 2014 04:25 PM (osh8D)
Posted by: Roman Polanski at February 22, 2014 04:25 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: tbodie at February 22, 2014 04:26 PM (/tk/V)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 04:26 PM (rDidD)
Had a primordial dinner tonight. Burned some birds on the grill. It's the only thing my family can agree on...
That dad is a genius anytime he mixes alcohol, charcoal, and raw meat out doors.
Everybody was happy.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 22, 2014 04:26 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 04:26 PM (z4WKX)
rd, if you're still here - nope, wasn't commenting on Bloodlands, was commenting on Savage Continent. steevy and I both put the latter book down unfinished because we were annoyed by the sloppy moral relativism that crept in here and there, and in my case as well for the factual whoppers (breezy assertion that Geneva Conventions were widely ignored by "all" sides in WWII) and the very strained analysis (evidence of vengeful tendencies by FDR contributed magically to problems at the Rhine Meadows POW camps after the war).
Capt. Hate says Bloodlands is good, and I trust his judgement enough to get it. Note also that the two books may overlap a bit but are not the same - Savage Continent is about the happenings all over Europe after the way, Bloodlands focuses on the horrors visited on the people in central Europe, I believe both before and during/after the war
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 04:27 PM (afQnV)
1. Print money to “help the people” and give ‘em free stuff
2. Price rise (Duh)
3. Ooh! Prices rise? Impose PRICE CONTROLS! (because weÂ’re dumbass Marxists)
4. EVERYTHING SELLS OUT
5. Crackdown on the resulting black market (after all, the PEOPLE are to blame)
6. Kill millions of people
7. The people finally have enough and kill all the communists
8. Back to normal, business returns, people become prosperous and send their kids to university
9. The Marxist idiot professors in their ivory towers teach the kids to be cool and left wing
10. Those kids eventually run the govÂ’t and they want to HELP PEOPLE so they:
11. Print money to “help the people” and give ‘em free stuff.
12. Rinse and Repeat
Posted by: Judge Pug at February 22, 2014 02:14 PM (6Nj7A)
_________________
Needs to be reposed daily. This is pure brilliance.
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at February 22, 2014 04:27 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 22, 2014 04:27 PM (RFeQD)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2014 04:28 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 04:28 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 04:28 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 04:29 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 08:27 PM (afQnV)
Thanks. The book has been sitting on my read pile for over 18 months.
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 04:29 PM (D+lxs)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at February 22, 2014 04:29 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2014 04:31 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 04:31 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 22, 2014 07:58 PM (igJ6Y)
Holes? Oh just hope water has not intruded because that may make a world of repair, rot, and mold that makes tearing all out now and starting anew that will seem like a day in the Magic Kingdom compared to what lies in the future.
Water is the enemy of all construction.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Wrathful Grapes and Contemptuous Celery in the Produce Department! at February 22, 2014 04:33 PM (gmoEG)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2014 04:33 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 04:33 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Vulcan Conservative riding Orca at February 22, 2014 04:33 PM (RFeQD)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at February 22, 2014 08:27 PM (jucos)
#9 needs revision. When you kill all the commies, you need to include the professors.
"Making a list, Checking it twice. Gonna remember who was naughty and nice. Santa Claus is coming to town."
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 04:33 PM (D+lxs)
Good for you, Peaches. Marina del Rey?
Now ..... dammit, get those snap caps and practice dry-firing with Fluffy! (harumph)
Posted by: non-purist at February 22, 2014 04:33 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2014 08:33 PM (aTXUx)
dood, I'm in Palms, no gangs . . . ???? it was the office I moved, not myself. I'm on Bali Way . . . WEST of Admiralty, it's the tits!!!
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 04:35 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: navybrat at February 22, 2014 04:35 PM (AW7Gr)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 04:35 PM (aDwsi)
Capt. Hate: You recommended "The Great Upheaval" to me and I ordered it on Amazon. I'm grateful to you for the tip (which you got from another Moron)
Very useful, those book threads.
Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at February 22, 2014 04:35 PM (R3gO3)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2014 04:37 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 04:37 PM (aDwsi)
Our own private venezuela:
In what might be interpreted as a kickback to his fellow Democrats, and an end run around the ‘stalemate’ in Congress, according to an article on the latimes.com, President Obama is to announce on Tuesday that he is moving ahead with his economic plan (even if Congress isn’t) by opening two new Manufacturing Institutes in Detroit and Chicago funded in a joint Public/Private partnership between the Department of Defense, several private corporations and Universities.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 22, 2014 04:38 PM (n0DEs)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 04:38 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 04:38 PM (8lmkt)
Okay Sarah Hoyt's post was hilarious. SFWA has become a running dog lackey of the big publishers it seems. Along with its groupthink tendancies that expel anyone not of the body.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 22, 2014 04:39 PM (osh8D)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 04:39 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 04:40 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 04:41 PM (z4WKX)
Peaches, I'm glad for you. The news we read here is sometimes so depressing - it's great when someone reports something good.
I had a cardiac cath due to chest pains about 6 years ago and there are a lot of bad tickers in my family, so I know what a cardiac scare feels like. I also know what it's like to move out of a crap neighborhood into one you really like - congrats on both!
Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at February 22, 2014 04:41 PM (R3gO3)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 04:41 PM (aDwsi)
thanks, guys, shakin' my pom poms here, finally realizing that it's real!!! stupidly happy and joyful and, yeah, grateful!
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 08:31 P
Awesome Peaches!.... show us your boobs! yeah!
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 22, 2014 04:41 PM (n0DEs)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 04:42 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2014 08:37 PM (aTXUx)
ew, ick, never . . . lived in Venice for 21 years, but east of Lincoln. it was actually very lovely, but when I started working in CC, moved to Cheviot then Palms. Just off Palms and Motor. It's okay . . . ridiculous rent ($1400), bad plumbing (neglected for 50 years), but what are ya gonna do? can't buy here . . . if I lived in Ohio, I could live like royalty. here? just another serf.
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 04:42 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 22, 2014 04:43 PM (yDmQD)
Posted by: troyriser at February 22, 2014 04:44 PM (ptcFO)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 04:44 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2014 04:44 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: ontherocks at February 22, 2014 04:44 PM (cJD92)
it's getting a little ripe in there
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 22, 2014 04:44 PM (30eLQ)
Posted by: My Sharia Moor at February 22, 2014 04:45 PM (P9ya5)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 04:46 PM (aDwsi)
HeÂ’d be impeached & gone by now if he was white Republican president.
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 08:41 PM (z4WKX)
And conservatives would be leading the impeachment charge. Sometimes I think we are (Mostly) the only ones that believe in the law. Unfortunately.
The scary part is I am beginning to wonder why we still do?
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 04:46 PM (D+lxs)
So, you got the clear from the cardio guy? They are super fuckin expensive, but I'm glad I did this, was having what I was chagrined to learn were palpitations. Oddly, if I don't go downtown LA, they do not happen. I go there, boom, happening. Very weird stuff. I was in and out of the abdominal aorta ultrasound in 20 minutes, crazy, she said it was the easiest one she ever did because I am so skinny. $4 for parking, usually $8, $11, $14. They should adjust the fee, but I'm sure they won't. That fucker is pricey!!
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 04:46 PM (8lmkt)
so you're saying there's a chance.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 22, 2014 04:47 PM (n0DEs)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2014 04:48 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: ontherocks at February 22, 2014 04:50 PM (cJD92)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 04:50 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Lincolntf at February 22, 2014 04:51 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 04:52 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 08:40 PM (sdi6R)
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Judge Pug was sharing a comment that someone with the nic "Frank" left on a Venezuelan blog.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2014 08:44 PM (dfYL9)
_______________________
Pure genius. To the point and accurate as hell.
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at February 22, 2014 04:53 PM (jucos)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 04:54 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 04:55 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 22, 2014 04:56 PM (RFeQD)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 22, 2014 04:56 PM (4S5LF)
Kimmel is not good TV.
He is perfect for NBC-TV.
I hope Jay brings his show and his people to Fox or someone who will not try to chase the "young, hip" demographic for a late night TV show.
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 04:56 PM (D+lxs)
jeeze, now it is a conspiracy
Posted by: Bob from table9 at February 22, 2014 07:38 PM (jsa6I)
Even garden hose will work - just knock them off of the bikes and it is time to ring some bells.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Wrathful Grapes and Contemptuous Celery in the Produce Department! at February 22, 2014 04:56 PM (gmoEG)
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 08:53 PM (D+lxs)
I think about little else, but I'm 62 and my paycheck is here and there's zero chance I will find that elsewhere . . . just runnin' out the string as long as I can. People have worse problems, I really can't complain.
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 04:57 PM (8lmkt)
Oops, in 331 I mean Fallon. Unfortunately, none of these guys are particularly memorable.
-- Yes that is a cut.
Posted by: rd at February 22, 2014 04:58 PM (D+lxs)
Peaches, when I had my cath, I was told I had 40% blockage - I didn't need a stent, but I was put on beta blockers. Since then I've quit smoking, lost 40 pounds and am careful with my diet (not neurotic about it, just generally mindful of it - when I splurge, its on something really good, not a bag of Fritos or some such shit.) My bad cholesteral is way down and I haven't had chest pains in years, although when I see JEF on TV, I expect them to start up again.
The thing I remember about the cath was getting some excellent drugs. I watched the f'ing wire travel toward my heart and thought, "Wow, look at my heart! Is this cool or what?" I think the doctor could have said, "Donna, we're going to cut off your right foot now" and I would have said, "OK, sure, no problem!"
Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at February 22, 2014 04:59 PM (R3gO3)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 05:01 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 22, 2014 05:01 PM (RFeQD)
I know. At the one house I owned I beat it by having the gutters and downspouts re-set (pour one way and not the other way) and by tarring the basement about 18 inches up the walls. Didn't help that the soil had a lot of clay in it, so getting water as far away as possible was the key.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Wrathful Grapes and Contemptuous Celery in the Produce Department! at February 22, 2014 05:02 PM (gmoEG)
Posted by: ontherocks at February 22, 2014 05:02 PM (cJD92)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2014 05:02 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 05:03 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Jean at February 22, 2014 05:03 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 22, 2014 05:03 PM (RFeQD)
Hahaha, all socialists are the same, but the less money in leftist hands the better:
Last week, the Democrat controlled House in West Virginia passed legislation raising the state's minimum wage to $8.75 an hour, $1.50 higher than the federal minimum wage. The action is part of a nation-wide effort by Democrats to make a minimum wage increase central to their platform for the midterm elections. The increase didn't effect all workers, though. Democrats exempted many of their own staff from the wage hike. Businesses may have to pay the higher wages, but the legislature will avoid many of the consequences.
at Breitbart.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 22, 2014 05:04 PM (n0DEs)
Posted by: DangerGirl at February 22, 2014 05:04 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman at February 22, 2014 05:05 PM (GKF3X)
Ah, jeez, Donna, you are going on my prayer list, starting tonight! That is very scary and it's actually what I anticipated. I smoke, I drink, I worship at the altar of teh bacons, I never met a vegetable I liked (well, broccoli, but somebody's gotta cook it for me). I was fuckin' gobsmacked that there was absolutely nothing. I thought I'd be gettin' the carotid ream (boss did that last year, not as much fun as it sounds like), but damn, apparently somethin' else is gonna get me. I admire your fortitude in dealing with this . . . I don't think I could have. So, tonight, and all nights forward, when I say "please bless," I will include Donna V (no ampersand). xoxo!!!
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 05:05 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: DangerGirl at February 22, 2014 05:07 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: Hawkins1701 at February 22, 2014 05:07 PM (7aJyE)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 05:08 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 09:03 PM (rDidD)
are ye daft???? no, it's not gonna go "our way" . . . nothing coming out of Califuckya is gonna "go our way." Srsly, buddy, do you need a smack upside the head? Because I am getting pretty hammered and I can't promise I'll still be able to do that in another half hour, so get back quick, right? {kissyface}
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 05:08 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 22, 2014 05:08 PM (RFeQD)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 05:09 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Jean at February 22, 2014 05:09 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 05:11 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 05:12 PM (rDidD)
Neither has been a friend of me for all of my life.
I pray for the innocent.
But. If a poor man ever thought that it would be just to rob the rich man of his wealth, I still pray for him. He is a sinner as I am. But I don't pray for his evil dream to come true.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 22, 2014 05:12 PM (V70Uh)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2014 05:12 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 05:12 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 05:12 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Jean at February 22, 2014 05:13 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 05:13 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 22, 2014 08:43 PM (yDmQD)
IIRC correctly guns are very common in South America, like PJ O'Rourke said about Lebanon where 'only the insane are not armed and yes; the insane are also armed'. The problem is which group does whomever you run across belong to? This faction, that faction, or the other (nth number) faction and who actually - the important part - coordinates the most factions?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Wrathful Grapes and Contemptuous Celery in the Produce Department! at February 22, 2014 05:14 PM (gmoEG)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 05:14 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Jean at February 22, 2014 05:14 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 22, 2014 05:15 PM (4S5LF)
Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 09:12 PM (sdi6R)
If you think that's gonna change, I want some of what you're smoking. Srsly, guys, don't want to go all debbie downer, but you're mental if you think anything good is gonna come out of this fuckin' place.
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 05:15 PM (8lmkt)
Blasphemer. Granted they aren't Funyuns but don't be dissing the Frito.
Posted by: lowandslow at February 22, 2014 05:15 PM (IV4od)
I'd rather be surfin at February 22, 2014 08:56 PM (4S5LF)
I was also thinking another big difference between Ukraine and Venezuela is that the Russkies shoved Communism down the throats of everyone else in the Eastern Bloc (yes, the Reds shoved it down the Russians' throat, but that's another story). Nobody voted for that crap and among the other peoples in the former USSR and Eastern Europe opposition to Communism was also a way of asserting one's national pride. " No you goddamned Russkies, we are not one big gray mass of good little comrades - we are Ukrainian, Polish, Latvian, Czech, etc."
In Venezuela, where they did actually elect Chavez and (despite the fraud), his brand of populist, anti-American rabble-rousing does have support among the poor and uneducated - I think the socialist mindset is more organic and might be harder to uproot. I think the "strong man" mentality is engrained in Latin America.
Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at February 22, 2014 05:15 PM (R3gO3)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman at February 22, 2014 05:15 PM (GKF3X)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 22, 2014 05:15 PM (RFeQD)
Posted by: eman at February 22, 2014 05:16 PM (AO9UG)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 05:17 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Jean at February 22, 2014 05:17 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: LIV at February 22, 2014 05:17 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 05:18 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 05:18 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Jean at February 22, 2014 05:19 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 22, 2014 07:44 PM (ZPrif)"
Yeah, me too.
Posted by: Plutarcho Elias Calles at February 22, 2014 05:19 PM (BcCwi)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 05:19 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 09:18 PM (rDidD)
Y5 for President!!!!! OMG, beer, mexican food, a place I can blow off some rounds out my back door, crap, I think I just had an orgasm! 
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 05:19 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 22, 2014 05:20 PM (RFeQD)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 22, 2014 05:20 PM (4S5LF)
Posted by: Jean at February 22, 2014 05:20 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 05:21 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 05:21 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 22, 2014 09:21 PM (V70Uh)
yeah, well, they're mostly in El Lay now, not to worry!
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 05:22 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: seamrog at February 22, 2014 05:23 PM (GEiVf)
Posted by: DangerGirl at February 22, 2014 05:23 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 05:23 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 05:24 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Calles at February 22, 2014 05:25 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 22, 2014 05:26 PM (4S5LF)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 09:23 PM (rDidD)
I got some semi-killer weed . . . ??
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 05:26 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 05:27 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman at February 22, 2014 05:27 PM (GKF3X)
Posted by: alexthechick - oh great SMOD can you wait til curling's done at February 22, 2014 05:28 PM (Gk3SS)
May they all rot in the lower depths of hell.
Posted by: Kreplach at February 22, 2014 05:28 PM (Xkr8I)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2014 05:28 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 22, 2014 05:29 PM (yDmQD)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 09:17 PM (aDwsi)
Abso-fuckin'-lutely. And that muthafucka holder should be the FIRST one in shackles. It just beggars belief that this has gone on this long, with this little pushback or accountability. If I had really bad hair (don't), I would be tearing it out right now. There is simply no excuse for our GREAT country to come to this sorry-ass state of affairs.
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 05:29 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at February 22, 2014 05:29 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 05:31 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Blake from Downtown at February 22, 2014 05:31 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: lowandslow at February 22, 2014 09:15 PM (IV4od)
I went on that spinning teacup ride when I was about 10 and puked up orange crush and Fritos all over the place and to this day, I cannot stand the sight of either orange soda or Fritos.
Peaches and Carol: Thanks I need all the prayers I can get. I'm feeling OK these days, though. I didn't make drastic changes all at once - the smoking was the toughest thing. I was a 2 pack a day smoker and I had already tried to quit at least 10 times before I actually succeeded. That's why I swore I'd never be an assholish ex-smoker - because I had failed so many times, who am I to preach to anybody? Having the cath gave me the incentive I needed, I guess. Those chest pains were scary. I remember thinking I was going to keel over and die on the sidewalk.
Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at February 22, 2014 05:32 PM (R3gO3)
Very useful, those book threads.
Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at February 22, 2014 08:35 PM (R3gO3)
I just got back from listening to some music and reading. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did because I learned a great deal from it in an effortless manner. The book threads are one of my favorite parts of this place.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2014 05:32 PM (lX1xQ)
Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 05:32 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 05:33 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 05:35 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: DangerGirl at February 22, 2014 05:36 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Bosotn at February 22, 2014 05:36 PM (A1Dcl)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 22, 2014 05:36 PM (4S5LF)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 05:37 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 05:37 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at February 22, 2014 05:37 PM (R3gO3)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at February 22, 2014 05:38 PM (jucos)
Posted by: soothie at February 22, 2014 05:38 PM (kWewi)
Posted by: DangerGirl at February 22, 2014 05:39 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 22, 2014 09:29 PM (yDmQD)
Agreed on the last part. But the smugglers - who really knows how many clients they are serving?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Wrathful Grapes and Contemptuous Celery in the Produce Department! at February 22, 2014 05:40 PM (gmoEG)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 05:40 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: CMU VET at February 22, 2014 05:41 PM (ejB0r)
What is the difference between the Venezuela and the U.S.?
If the free-shit army wins the next couple of elections, not much.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 22, 2014 05:41 PM (V70Uh)
Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at February 22, 2014 05:44 PM (R3gO3)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 05:44 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Slapweasel at February 22, 2014 05:44 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Votermom at February 22, 2014 05:44 PM (GSIDW)
Posted by: CMU VET at February 22, 2014 09:41 PM (ejB0r)
forgive??? shit, if i were just a tiny bit soberer, i would break out teh pom poms again, sweet cheeks! {i am totally embarrassed about how long it took my fuckin' traitor drunken fingers to say that, oh, well!!}
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 05:45 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 22, 2014 05:46 PM (4S5LF)
Tell me I'm wrong.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 22, 2014 05:46 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Votermom at February 22, 2014 05:46 PM (GSIDW)
Posted by: Carol at February 22, 2014 05:46 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 22, 2014 05:48 PM (V70Uh)
Posted by: Votermom at February 22, 2014 05:48 PM (GSIDW)
yo, out of beer here so here comes your contact high through teh usb . . . srsly, wtf is wrong with my damn fingers, I need to go flop out on the couch, i don't want to embarrass my feline overlords (like that could even happen, lol)
Posted by: Peaches at February 22, 2014 05:50 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 22, 2014 05:50 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2014 05:50 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo
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See if St. Peter buys that.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 22, 2014 05:50 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Erowmero at February 22, 2014 05:50 PM (OONaw)
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 22, 2014 05:52 PM (o3MSL)
Can't stand the smell of ashtrays or stale smoke anymore. Everyone who quits knows that it doesn't take that long before you open your closet door and realize that your clothes reek.
Hey, I just remembered, Ace was doing the e-cigarette thing. I wonder how that went for him. My brother quit this past New Year's Day and he said the e-cigs were a life saver. I would have used them if they had been around when I quit.
Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at February 22, 2014 05:52 PM (R3gO3)
Posted by: Daily Reminder Guy at February 22, 2014 05:52 PM (6j8ke)
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 22, 2014 05:52 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at February 22, 2014 05:52 PM (zT0DN)
Posted by: Erowmero
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But who in Washington would protest? They're all establishment, or entitlement.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 22, 2014 05:53 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Grey Fox at February 22, 2014 05:53 PM (08ztc)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 22, 2014 05:54 PM (yDmQD)
Posted by: Daily Reminder Guy at February 22, 2014 05:54 PM (6j8ke)
Posted by: Votermom at February 22, 2014 05:55 PM (GSIDW)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2014 05:55 PM (aTXUx)
Back in the day, women were not even counted in the census (nor in the those fed by Jesus' loaves and fishes). They were not considered responsible for such things.
What blame did Bathsheba suffer?
Times have changed.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 22, 2014 05:57 PM (V70Uh)
Posted by: soothie at February 22, 2014 05:58 PM (kWewi)
That process is well along already. WELL along.
When Nidal Hasan went on his jihadi terror shooting spree at Ft. Hood, the Obama administration then instead of calling it what it was, an obvious and deliberate and admitted act of terror, referred to it as "workplace violence".
We expect that sort of utterly dishonest bullshit from Obama, of course. What was far more shocking was the reaction from the brass hats.
Instead of the entire Joint Chiefs instantly resigning en masse in protest at Obama's lies, we actually had one of them saying that "as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that's worse".
Posted by: torquewrench at February 22, 2014 05:59 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2014 06:00 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 06:00 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Grey Fox at February 22, 2014 06:00 PM (08ztc)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 22, 2014 06:01 PM (aDwsi)
What is the difference between the Venezuela and the U.S.? If the free-shit army wins the next couple of elections, not much. Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 22, 2014 09:41 PM (V70Uh)
Oh, I think things would start up here long before people are down to their last roll of Charmin. (What is it with Commies and TP anyway? They always have problems producing TP although it's hardly the most technologically complex product in the world. )
The poor in Venezuela are poor the way the rest of the world understands poor. They don't have cars, AC, fancy tennis shoes, and bling and they don't weigh 300 pounds. The American FSA will start rioting here when they can't get Chicken McNuggets or buy ice cream with their EBT cards.
Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at February 22, 2014 06:01 PM (R3gO3)
Posted by: rickl at February 22, 2014 06:02 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 22, 2014 06:03 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 22, 2014 06:05 PM (4S5LF)
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 22, 2014 06:10 PM (4S5LF)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at February 22, 2014 06:13 PM (jucos)
Posted by: MlR at February 22, 2014 06:17 PM (BYsxT)
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Posted by: Joe Kennedy, IV at February 22, 2014 06:34 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Nortega at February 22, 2014 06:36 PM (0FSuD)
And when the FCC does take over the news - and rest assured, they intend to do exactly that - please explain to me just how it will be different from the pap and propaganda that's being fed to us now.
The FCC takeover will simply formalize what happened years ago.
Posted by: Brown Line at February 22, 2014 07:15 PM (a5bF3)
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