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February 24, 2014

Washington Post Rates Obama's "7 Million Have Signed Up for ObamaCare" Claim... Four Pinnochios, the Highest Rating for Deception
— Ace

No one believes these numbers, because Obama refuses to parse the numbers to determine how many people were already eligible for Medicaid, and how many became eligible due to Obamacare.

Even Politico raps Obama for deeming this basic question an "unreasonable" one which Obama's team refuses to offer answers to.

Two different groups have estimated the extent to which ObamaCare has expanded Medicaid to the uninsured. One is Acela, which estimates the figure at between 1.1 million and 1.8 million. Kessler also quotes Charles Gaba, who puts the number at 2.6 million. Both are far below Barack ObamaÂ’s claims, and also far below what the administration expected to see by this stage. The most motivated of all the uninsured should have been those eligible for Medicaid, and yet we havenÂ’t seen a rush to enroll Â— and those who are motivated to do so probably already have. That means there wonÂ’t be a big spike coming in the next couple of months.

Omelets and eggs.

Meanwhile, Freddoso notes the "most brutal anti-Obamacare ad yet" running in Michigan.

The Administration and its supporters claim the ad is false. We'll see.

But in the meantime, the Democrats' candidate for the Michigan Senate, Gary Peters, is siccing lawyers on local tv stations to block them from airing the ad.

Posted by: Ace at 01:17 PM | Comments (153)
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1 Another quaalude they gonna love him again.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at February 24, 2014 01:19 PM (4/o9U)

2 Lies all the way down. Fuck this guy

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 24, 2014 01:19 PM (yz6yg)

3 But in the meantime, the Democrats' candidate for the Michigan Senate, Gary Peters, is siccing lawyers on local tv stations to block them from airing the ad.

Perhaps we can interest Vladimir Putin in our situation. Help us, Vlad!

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2014 01:19 PM (6TB1Z)

4 More Americans on the medical welfare program known as Medicaid. Another Obama WIN!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 24, 2014 01:20 PM (8ZskC)

5 POTUS Pinocchio inflation accounts for more than four and longer noses than evah befo' -- the SNL whole nutha level gig

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 24, 2014 01:20 PM (MhA4j)

6 There! Are! Four! Pinocchios!

Posted by: Jean-Luc Picard, WaPo reporter at February 24, 2014 01:22 PM (UIxS+)

7 Perhaps we can interest Vladimir Putin in our situation. Help us, Vlad! Posted by: pep at February 24, 2014 05:19 PM (6TB1Z) I'm sure with a little work we'll be able to turn Georgetown into Lubyanka West.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 24, 2014 01:22 PM (yz6yg)

8 This is Fox's fault.

Posted by: Alec B. at February 24, 2014 01:23 PM (Aif/5)

9 Listening to Hannity on the way home because they moved Medved to some crappy time slot. Anyway, he had Dennis Kucinich on, and he actually made sense most of the time. In fact, he's usually in agreement with folks here, until he goes off on a rant where all bad things are due to the pod people from the planet Xenon, but anyway, he said it was indefensible that Obama lied to the American people about OCare.

When you've lost Dennis Kucinich, it's time to consider spending more time with your family.

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2014 01:23 PM (6TB1Z)

10 Take the sum of all new Medicaid enrollees and all new food stamp enrollees, multiply it by the number of first-time unemployment recipients, and divide the product by the number of pounds of Wagyu beef that the First Lady has shoveled into her piehole, and you have a snapshot of the the economic paradise known as the Obama Nation.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 24, 2014 01:23 PM (8ZskC)

11 To bad the WashPo is seen to be such a bastion of extreme right wing thought or the MSM might give this some play. Alas...

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 24, 2014 01:24 PM (dC60f)

12 Only knuckleheads complain. Suck it up and STFU.

Posted by: Moocher at February 24, 2014 01:24 PM (MhA4j)

[Ace:] "But in the meantime, the Democrats' candidate for the Michigan Senate, Gary Peters, is siccing lawyers on local tv stations to block them from airing the ad."

Yeah.

He's calling for the FCC to yank their licenses for airing that ad.

Posted by: wheatie at February 24, 2014 01:24 PM (DEUoo)

14 It's not entirely clear why expanding Medic Aid would be a good idea.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 24, 2014 01:24 PM (spmY9)

15 But in the meantime, the Democrats' candidate for the Michigan Senate, Gary Peters, is siccing lawyers on local tv stations to block them from airing the ad.

Worse. He's threatening the stations with some kind of FCC review if they continue to show the ad.

Ladies and gentlemen, your Ruling Class at work.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 24, 2014 01:25 PM (8ZskC)

16 .....is siccing lawyers on local tv stations to block them from airing the ad.

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Is it just me... or is there a lot of "silencing the critics" going around these days.???

Posted by: fixerupper at February 24, 2014 01:25 PM (nELVU)

17 They lie because they can. Even if the Washington post says that it is a lie, do you think even the Washington post will really call him out? The most dangerous thing about the current situation is how news is covered. You cannot call something a lie if no one knows about it. This is a video game quote, but it is one I have always liked: " ...but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2014 01:25 PM (TGgNi)

18 Last night I saw two ads back to back. Ad #1: A testosterone replacement therapy ad for men with Low T. Ad #2: A class action lawsuit for men who'd had heart attacks caused by their testosterone replacement therapy after their doctor diagnosed them with Low T.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 24, 2014 01:25 PM (ZPrif)

19 Heyyy......nobody puts Alec in a corner.

Posted by: eleven at February 24, 2014 01:25 PM (fsLdt)

20 Yeah. He's calling for the FCC to yank their licenses for airing that ad. He'll run into a little thing called the First Amendment.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 24, 2014 01:25 PM (yz6yg)

21 Pinocchios, Tribbles words, just words

Posted by: The S.T. Enterprise at February 24, 2014 01:25 PM (MhA4j)

22 He'll run into a little thing called the First Amendment.

Quaint. Truly, quaint.

Posted by: The NSA, IRS, HHS, TSA, EPA, DEA, FBI, BATF, ICE at February 24, 2014 01:26 PM (8ZskC)

23 Which is to say, Obama has no doubt failed in executing the Democrat agenda, but he can hardly be faulted for it. His failure is a good thing. He has even failed at boasting.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 24, 2014 01:26 PM (spmY9)

24 15 But in the meantime, the Democrats' candidate for the Michigan
Senate, Gary Peters, is siccing lawyers on local tv stations to block
them from airing the ad.

Worse. He's threatening the stations with some kind of FCC review if they continue to show the ad.

Anyone with two synapses to rub together would see that doing this is even worse than the original ad. So full steam ahead, idiots.
"Hey, I know, let's sue the woman with leukemia!"

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2014 01:27 PM (6TB1Z)

25 That ad about the lady with cancer is pretty brutal. And should be shown nationwide by each and every Pubbie with a pulse.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 24, 2014 01:28 PM (0HooB)

26 It's a mistake to accept any of the Left's premises. Including by judging them by their own standards. Except as a punitive measure.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 24, 2014 01:28 PM (spmY9)

27 I thought vetting Obama's ~~props~~ "guests" at his speeches was considered racist or War on Wimmenz, but now the Dems are attacking a woman speaking out against their master?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 24, 2014 01:28 PM (YbyjT)

28 His failure is a good thing. He has even failed at boasting. -- of all the bitter clingers, there can only be one

Posted by: The Highlander at February 24, 2014 01:28 PM (MhA4j)

29
What? Only four Pinnochio's? Bronco Bama is a slacker!

Posted by: Pinnochio at February 24, 2014 01:29 PM (nQjHM)

30 Obamacare is not the hill to fight on

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at February 24, 2014 01:29 PM (Q6pxP)

31 He'll run into a little thing called the First Amendment. Posted by: Sean Bannion

Heh, how amusing.

Posted by: The FCC at February 24, 2014 01:29 PM (6TB1Z)

32 >>But in the meantime, the Democrats' candidate for the Michigan Senate, Gary Peters, is siccing lawyers on local tv stations to block them from airing the ad. Brilliant strategery. Not only will people be pissed that you inflicted Obamacare on them but now they will see you as a bully willing to sic the power of government on a cancer patient. How does anyone lose to these idiots?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 24, 2014 01:29 PM (g1DWB)

[Ace:] "The Administration and its supporters claim the ad is false. We'll see."

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The lady in the ad has leukemia.

She liked her old plan...but it was canceled.

Her new plan costs her more in out-of-pocket costs, over what she was paying with her old plan.

Quite a bit more.

But her monthly premiums went down a bit on the new plan.

The Ad doesn't mention this.

This is what the Dems are saying is 'false'.

Posted by: wheatie at February 24, 2014 01:30 PM (DEUoo)

34 So this is two major Obamacare lies that he gotten the full "Pants on fire" treatment. Yet, largely crickets from the media at large (they do this token effort, but that's it.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at February 24, 2014 01:30 PM (a8eFL)

35 Ace, it'd be much simpler to note in passing those rare times when Obama DOESN'T lie. Because at this stage, the default presumption is that every statement he makes is a lie. And that presumption is correct 95% of the time. (The other 5% are trite truisms.)

Posted by: zombie at February 24, 2014 01:30 PM (+cx5n)

36 Here's the thing that scares me, TFG is lying, everyone knows [/l] he is lying and he suffers no consequences.

Posted by: tbodie at February 24, 2014 01:31 PM (CQzvT)

37 In fact, it sounds like a War On Women to me.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 24, 2014 01:31 PM (g1DWB)

38 Brilliant strategery. Not only will people be pissed that you inflicted Obamacare on them but now they will see you as a bully willing to sic the power of government on a cancer patient.

How does anyone lose to these idiots? Posted by: JackStraw

Yeah, like I've got a lot to lose at this point. Hail Mary!!!!

Posted by: Gary Peters at February 24, 2014 01:31 PM (6TB1Z)

39 How does anyone lose to these idiots? Hello!!!!

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at February 24, 2014 01:31 PM (yz6yg)

40 Affirmative Action has consequences.

Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 01:31 PM (8hf9n)

41 Obama Care is a stupid and Unconstitutional Federal initiative and should be done away with. The Obama Administration's poor implementation is the least of what's wrong with it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 24, 2014 01:31 PM (spmY9)

Posted by: tbodie at February 24, 2014 01:31 PM (CQzvT)

43 It's possible it was linked here a few days ago, but even more damning than the cancer ad was the oped written by the family of a woman who died because Obamacare canceled her insurance and she was waiting to see a doctor about her severe stomach pain until her new policy took effect. She died waiting.

Posted by: Lauren at February 24, 2014 01:32 PM (hFL/3)

44 Not sure how that happened, but at least I missed the barrel.

Posted by: tbodie at February 24, 2014 01:32 PM (CQzvT)

45 Heh, just saw the post a little ways down about the idiot 20-yr old Harvard student who fancies herself an expert on humanity. CRACKED has a "list" of "5 Terrifying Example of Sexual Symbolism In Horror Movies" It reads like a shitty undergrad essay. "Predator" is listed because, yeah, the monster is a vagina. Same with "Aliens."

Posted by: soothsayer at February 24, 2014 01:32 PM (fMj88)

46 We knew he was a liar when he was running for dem nominee. I remember him saying one thing toone group & The exact opposite a few days later. LIVs elected an empty suit, with no character, morals , conscience etc. Remember he wouldn't want his daughter punished with a baby if she made a mistake. I wonder if his mother felt like shed been punished when she has him.

Posted by: Carol at February 24, 2014 01:32 PM (DRG6e)

47 By making up rather than producing results, Obama has conserved more taxpayer dollars to use in payoffs to cronies. Therefore, fiscal conservative.

Posted by: --- at February 24, 2014 01:33 PM (MMC8r)

Posted by: fixerupper at February 24, 2014 01:33 PM (nELVU)

49 Sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.

Posted by: The Lengthened But Still Burning "Employer Mandate" Fuse at February 24, 2014 01:33 PM (gqT4g)

50 She died waiting. Posted by: Lauren

Pity the proles will never hear about it.

Posted by: MSM at February 24, 2014 01:33 PM (6TB1Z)

51 About the admin calling the ad false... They wouldn't lie, would they?

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 24, 2014 01:33 PM (dC60f)

52 This was a major #1 hit in New Zealand in 1970: Pinocchio, by Maria Dallas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxJ2sy299eg (It didn't even chart in the US, and you'll understand why when you hear it.) But I nominate it as Obama's new theme song, both for its on-point lyrics and it hilarious awfulness.

Posted by: zombie at February 24, 2014 01:34 PM (+cx5n)

35 Ace, it'd be much simpler to note in passing those rare times when Obama DOESN'T lie.

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That would be a very short list.

Posted by: wheatie at February 24, 2014 01:34 PM (DEUoo)

54 People keep expecting Obama/the Government to "do something" about all sorts of things. The expectation is the problem.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 24, 2014 01:34 PM (spmY9)

55 35 Ace, it'd be much simpler to note in passing those rare times when Obama DOESN'T lie. Because at this stage, the default presumption is that every statement he makes is a lie. And that presumption is correct 95% of the time. (The other 5% are trite truisms.) Posted by: zombie at February 24, 2014 05:30 PM (+cx5n) At this point, if Pres. Obama came out on national television and said "I'm lying." it would cause the same kind of cognitive dissonance that destroyed all the androids in that Star Trek episode.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2014 01:34 PM (TGgNi)

56 No one believes these numbers because Obama...

A...is a lying liar who lies.

B...hasn't told the truth yet about anything regarding Obamacare.

C...says whatever is most politically convenient to him in the moment.

D...does not understand math, or insurance, or Americans.

E...all of the above

Posted by: Mayday at February 24, 2014 01:34 PM (eHc+1)

57 >>Ace, it'd be much simpler to note in passing those rare times when Obama DOESN'T lie. Well he did say he was lazy. No lie there.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 24, 2014 01:35 PM (g1DWB)

58 Posted by: wheatie at February 24, 2014 05:30 PM (DEUoo) Specifically they're claiming when you add it all up, it's a wash. That is her lower monthly costs cancel her huge OOP costs. But frankly this is ludicrous, it assumes her subsidy estimates are accurate. If she should happen to make a few more dollars, she's hosed. This would not be the case on the old insurance model.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at February 24, 2014 01:35 PM (a8eFL)

59 At this point, if Pres. Obama came out on national television and said "I'm lying." it would cause the same kind of cognitive dissonance that destroyed all the androids in that Star Trek episode.

Posted by: Aetius451AD

Imperfection. Imperfection. Sterilize!

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2014 01:36 PM (6TB1Z)

60 There are so many of these stories. While the media may attempt to embargo them, people will tell their friends. The absence of media has not prevented people from loathing O-Care.

Posted by: RS at February 24, 2014 01:37 PM (YAGV/)

61 But frankly this is ludicrous, it assumes her subsidy estimates are accurate. If she should happen to make a few more dollars, she's hosed.

Not to mention the fact that she, a formerly self-supporting and free citizen, is now a vassal of the whims of the state, while others, who have bills of their own, are being held up at the point of a gun in order to pay part of her bills.

Other than that, it's perfect.

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2014 01:38 PM (6TB1Z)

62 14 It's not entirely clear why expanding Medic Aid would be a good idea. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 24, 2014 05:24 PM (spmY9) Easy. More people getting free shit = more democratic party votes.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 24, 2014 01:38 PM (Uo7Tv)

63 At this point, if Pres. Obama came out on national television and said "I'm lying." it would cause the same kind of cognitive dissonance that destroyed all the androids in that Star Trek episode.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2014 05:34 PM (TGgNi)

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Heh.... what was that guys name??? Samuel P Mudd or something like that?

Posted by: fixerupper at February 24, 2014 01:38 PM (nELVU)

64 The metric employed is a low bar. Has Obama Care actually made life better for anyone? If so, for how many. Has Obama Care actually made life worse for anyone? How many of those. Include magnitude and subtract one from the other.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 24, 2014 01:39 PM (spmY9)

65 To use a tired, Leftarded trope, "if it saves just one life, it's worth it." Repealing ObamaCare would save many lives. The lady with leukemia isn't the only one in the country.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 24, 2014 01:39 PM (0HooB)

66 Tsrblke, But see, Libs are liars and their constituents can't do basic math. If you tell them "Previously her monthly premium was $560 and her deductible was $1000. Now her monthly premium is $559 and her deductible is $6700, also her co insurance went from 10% to 30%" the only thing that they hear is: "Her insurance is cheaper now! Praise be to Obama, the Mighty!"

Posted by: Lauren at February 24, 2014 01:39 PM (hFL/3)

67 If you are eligible for Medicaid, why the hell would you pay for your own insurance? No, seriously, what possible economic sense does that make? Yeah, you might have to go to Dr. Nick Riviera for care but you aren't paying for it. That's if you don't just use the ER for everything.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at February 24, 2014 01:39 PM (VtjlW)

68 Here's hoping WaPo won't now be forced to write a retraction.

I hope Obamacare continues to be a rotting albatross around the neck of every single Democrat who voted for this mess. Bring it on.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Duchess of Something at February 24, 2014 01:39 PM (baL2B)

69 I really wish they used Mr. Potato Head Ears versus Pinocchio noses.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 24, 2014 01:39 PM (IXrOn)

70 They need to change their rating scale. Drop the 'Pinocchios' and start using 'Obamas' -- or better yet, 'SCOAMFs'...

Posted by: Stu-22 at February 24, 2014 01:40 PM (AiYlm)

71 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 24, 2014 01:40 PM (PYAXX)

72 The metric employed is a low bar. Has Obama Care actually made life better for anyone? If so, for how many. Has Obama Care actually made life worse for anyone? How many of those. Include magnitude and subtract one from the other. Some enterprising group of individuals could, if they chose to, make some valid political points with that information.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 24, 2014 01:41 PM (0HooB)

@45 It reads like a shitty undergrad essay. "Predator" is listed because, yeah, the monster is a vagina. Same with "Aliens."

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If that was their primary qualification, then did they at least give an honorable mention to Return of the Jedi? I don't know which is worse - that the Sarlacc Monster in the original version looks like a vagina, or that the Special Edition version of the Sarlacc Monster has a giant penis sticking up out of it.

Posted by: junior at February 24, 2014 01:41 PM (UWFpX)

58...Specifically they're claiming when you add it all up, it's a wash.
That is her lower monthly costs cancel her huge OOP costs.

But frankly this is ludicrous, it assumes her subsidy estimates are accurate. If she should happen to make a few more dollars, she's hosed.

This would not be the case on the old insurance model.

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Right.

And it remains to be seen whether it's a 'wash' or not, as far as the annual total.

The out-of-pocket costs are an 'unknown' for her...and she doesn't know if she will have the money to pay them, if they get much higher.

Bottom Line is...she liked her old plan and she didn't get to keep it.

Since she has cancer, she could die if she doesn't come up with the cash to pay the out-of-pocket costs.

Posted by: wheatie at February 24, 2014 01:42 PM (DEUoo)

75 unexpectedly!

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 24, 2014 01:42 PM (q+fqH)

76 t reads like a shitty undergrad essay. "Predator" is listed because, yeah, the monster is a vagina. Same with "Aliens." --------------------- If that was their primary qualification, then did they at least give an honorable mention to Return of the Jedi? I don't know which is worse - that the Sarlacc Monster in the original version looks like a vagina, or that the Special Edition version of the Sarlacc Monster has a giant penis sticking up out of it. Posted by: junior at February 24, 2014 05:41 PM (UWFpX) Teeth. *mic drop*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at February 24, 2014 01:42 PM (VtjlW)

77 "but now the Dems are attacking a woman speaking out against their master?"

If a conservative white male Republican president had been discovered to be having it off with a young woman who worked in the White House -- a woman young enough to be his own daughter -- and then having pulled strings with the intent of getting her a different job elsewhere to buy her silence -- and then having perjured himself under oath about all of this in front of a federal grand jury -- consider what the reaction of the "feminist" wing of the professional left would have been.

They would have gone instantly and massively apeshit and demanded his immediate removal from office. Not merely impeachment, but impeachment plus ouster. And, probably, a further trial on charges of criminal sexual harassment. (Because white male privilege. Women faced with that particular doomsday device can't actually have given consent, not really, no matter what they say their intentions had been.)

Of course, when a white male who was a liberal Democrat and a trusted ally of said professional-left feministas did all of these things, they rushed to his defense and formed up in serried ranks to protect him.

Fen's Law sees all, knows all, explains all.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 01:42 PM (gqT4g)

78 "Anyone with two synapses to rub together would see that doing this is even worse than the original ad..." And thus you have your answer. Not enough synapses.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 24, 2014 01:42 PM (AbFmZ)

79 45 Heh, just saw the post a little ways down about the idiot 20-yr old Harvard student who fancies herself an expert on humanity. CRACKED has a "list" of "5 Terrifying Example of Sexual Symbolism In Horror Movies" It reads like a shitty undergrad essay. "Predator" is listed because, yeah, the monster is a vagina. Same with "Aliens." What about that Third Stage Guild navigator from Dune with the VagMouth? Showed the wife that the other night and the giggling was uncontrollable. If only she could have stayed awake for the giant phalluses on Arakis plunging in and out of the desert.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at February 24, 2014 01:43 PM (dvRYt)

80 Validating the Washington Post as a fact-checking authority is also a mistake. They are willing to expose Obama in this instance, on something which is framed in a trivial manner and doesn't really sway voters against Obama, but does serve to legitimize the premises of the Democrats' agenda.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 24, 2014 01:43 PM (spmY9)

81 AtC, We always kept our oldest son on our insurance plan even when he got SSI Medicaid. That meant that the Medicaid was processed as secondary insurance and they billed our primary insurance first. OF course, that's because we are responsible, tax paying citizens. Aside from that, the hell if I know.

Posted by: Lauren at February 24, 2014 01:43 PM (hFL/3)

82 She liked her insurance, and she wanted to keep it.

Posted by: Jean at February 24, 2014 01:45 PM (4JkHl)

83 62 14 It's not entirely clear why expanding Medic Aid would be a good idea. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 24, 2014 05:24 PM (spmY9) Easy. More people getting free shit = more democratic party votes. Posted by: nerdygirl at February 24, 2014 05:38 PM (Uo7Tv) More than that. Medicaid is paid by the state and Obamacare provides partial funds. The more people pushed into Medicaid the greater time bomb is set for the states as the federal subsidy tapers down over time. Makes the states beholding to the Feds.

Posted by: Aviator at February 24, 2014 01:45 PM (WY3bD)

84 " ...but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master." Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2014 05:25 PM (TGgNi) "Just at this point of my progress, Mr. Auld found out what was going on, and at once forbade Mrs. Auld to instruct me further, telling her, among other things, that it was unlawful, as well as unsafe, to teach a slave to read." "As I read and contemplated the subject, behold! That very discontentment which Master Hugh had predicted would follow my learning to read had already come, to torment and sting my soul to unutterable anguish." -Frederick Douglas.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 01:45 PM (bb5+k)

@81 We always kept our oldest son on our insurance plan even when he got SSI Medicaid. That meant that the Medicaid was processed as secondary insurance and they billed our primary insurance first. OF course, that's because we are responsible, tax paying citizens.

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Lemme guess - you wouldn't be able to do that under the ACA, right?

Posted by: junior at February 24, 2014 01:45 PM (UWFpX)

86 "Has Obama Care actually made life better for anyone?"

Us!

Posted by: Legions Of Leftists With Shiny New Job Titles at February 24, 2014 01:45 PM (gqT4g)

87 Anyone with two synapses to rub together would see that doing this is even worse than the original ad..." And thus you have your answer. Not enough synapses..... If you keep rubbing that one synapse, you'll go blind.....

Posted by: rickb223 at February 24, 2014 01:46 PM (h1D+w)

88 Stella, shut up, Stella!

Posted by: Harcourt Fenton Mudd at February 24, 2014 01:46 PM (RFeQD)

89 So the anti-Obamacare ad is false. Just like the anti-Romney ad that claimed he as president of Bain Capital killed a man's wife. Sure.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 24, 2014 01:46 PM (olDqf)

90 Anyone taking prop bets on Bezoes getting audited?

Posted by: Jean at February 24, 2014 01:46 PM (4JkHl)

91 WeÂ’ve got close to 7 million Americans who have access to health care for the first time because of Medicaid expansion.

That's right. These 7 million Americans were kicked out of hospitals and doctors' offices nationwide because they were not even allowed "access" to health care, even if they could pay for it.

And these numbers were not just pulled out of my ass. Reggie would have told me.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at February 24, 2014 01:46 PM (tv7DV)

92 These aren't just any Pinnochios. These are noble Pinnochios.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 24, 2014 01:47 PM (hRNoZ)

93 "No one believes these numbers" Oh I doubt that

Posted by: total dickhead at February 24, 2014 01:47 PM (qPxLX)

94 89 Just like the anti-Romney ad is true. Sheesh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 24, 2014 01:47 PM (olDqf)

95 So Nugent went Godwin's Law on Obama....lol

Posted by: The Dude at February 24, 2014 01:47 PM (bStrg)

96 Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 24, 2014 05:47 PM (hRNoZ) Sometimes a Pinocchio is employed for your own good!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2014 01:48 PM (o3MSL)

97 92 These aren't just any Pinnochios. These are noble Pinnochios. Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 24, 2014 05:47 PM (hRNoZ) Uncircumcised Baba Wawa pleasurizersÂ….

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 24, 2014 01:48 PM (olDqf)

98 True fact: Every five seconds a college student makes the "original" observation that skyscrapers are giant phallic symbols built by a patriarchal chauvinist society.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 24, 2014 01:48 PM (fMj88)

99 Obama Care's negative impact upon the economy and the people whose lives have been made substantially worse as a result of it are ignored in favor of an 'Obama Care is not really enough and/or successful enough, is it?' critique combined with a "Obama is less than truthful, isn't he?" critique, which doesn't really sway people who don't already dislike him.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 24, 2014 01:49 PM (spmY9)

100 Alternate headline: President claims he's added the healthcare cost for another 7 million people to the growing national debt.

Posted by: Mr. FeverHead at February 24, 2014 01:50 PM (6ahup)

101 "Lemme guess - you wouldn't be able to do that under the ACA, right?" Hmm, actually I have no idea. That would be really interesting to look into. In our case, our son lost his SSI coverage at age 5. He was automatically covered because he was a micropreemie, but apparently he didn't meet enough qualifications of "disabled" at 5 to continue it. We probably could have fought it, but honestly we felt pretty scummy using it even though it was completely legitimate so we didn't press the issue. It's funny though that a kid with severe growth restrictions, autism, and multiple congenital birth defects doesn't qualify for SSI, but the supposed "unemployable underclass" can figure out how to game the system to get all 3 of their "ADHD kids enrolled until the end of time."

Posted by: Lauren at February 24, 2014 01:50 PM (hFL/3)

102 Every five seconds a college student makes the "original" observation that skyscrapers are giant phallic symbols built by a patriarchal chauvinist society. *** Aren't they?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2014 01:50 PM (DmNpO)

103 Making it about Obama also helps the Democrats as Obama will "probably" not run again, and as such, he can be thrown under the bus by the Democrat Party. And probably will be to a certain extent.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 24, 2014 01:51 PM (spmY9)

104 Posted by: Mr. FeverHead at February 24, 2014 05:50 PM (6ahup) Won't happen, because it is too much like the truth!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2014 01:51 PM (o3MSL)

105 So Nugent went Godwin's Law on Obama....lol *** Yes. But last week he went Godwin-Nied's law.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2014 01:52 PM (DmNpO)

106 98 Posted by: soothsayer at February 24, 2014 05:48 PM (fMj8

Wifey the libbo prof don't like them skyscrapers...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 24, 2014 01:52 PM (olDqf)

107 So to bring up a previous observation about the bulging Medicaid enrollments:

There is an algorithm which is used to determine Medicaid eligibility. That scheme looks at several different factors. Including the number of dependent children you have. Or that you CLAIM to have.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, there was already a massive epidemic of tax fraud by people claiming they had dependent children on hand who they really did not actually have, in order to bulk up their Earned Income Tax Credit payments. (The numbers on this are jaw-droppingly large and the number of convictions is minuscule.)

So, the essentially unpoliced wide-open window for defrauding the government via EITC turns into a tool for further defrauding of the government in terms of artificially qualifying for undeserved Medicaid support. And the greatest thing for the moocher class is that it's basically automatic! The one lie delivers them both sets of benefits.

Almost as though it had been set up that way by cynical manipulators intent on expanding the ranks of voters dependent on government largesse. But we know nothing like that could ever happen in God's Own America, and you are a racist paranoid nutjob if you even voice interest in the possibility of same.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 01:52 PM (gqT4g)

108 But not in an excessively antagonistic manner.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 24, 2014 01:52 PM (spmY9)

109 Hey, did you catch me on the latest Geico Insurance commercial? Boy, did I tell some whoppers! My nose was thissss loooong! But every time Obama lies, somebody farts. Yup, the flatulence is outta control!

Posted by: Pinocchio at February 24, 2014 01:52 PM (RFeQD)

110 Urgent Prayer request from the Horde- My step-mother-in-law apparently fell in her home earlier today and hit her head pretty badly. She's at the hospital undergoing emergency surgery for a blood clot. We here in TX (they live in MI) probably won't know anything for several hours.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 24, 2014 01:53 PM (PYAXX)

111 "Every five seconds a college student makes the "original" observation that skyscrapers are giant phallic symbols built by a patriarchal chauvinist society. " Ahem.

Posted by: Old Wachovia Tower in Winston Salem, NC at February 24, 2014 01:53 PM (hFL/3)

112 TFG doesn't just lie, he lies BIG. That's his secret. He tells lies so huge that the press usually just noses around the edges of them.

I'll give the WaPo some credit -- Since Bezos took over, they are acting more like a journalistic enterprise. I'm no longer adverse to linking to them on occasion.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 24, 2014 01:53 PM (wNF3N)

113 Wifey the libbo prof don't like them skyscrapers...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 24, 2014 05:52 PM (olDqf)

Is she okay with football stadiums? Is it better if they have a retractable roof?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 24, 2014 01:54 PM (8ZskC)

114 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 24, 2014 05:53 PM (PYAXX) You got it brother!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 24, 2014 01:54 PM (o3MSL)

115 Ah, geez. Prayers headed out for AllenG's StepMomInLaw.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 24, 2014 01:54 PM (naUcP)

116 Praying, Allen. My grandmother went through the same thing. If you'd like to talk about anything shoot me an email..

Posted by: Lauren at February 24, 2014 01:54 PM (hFL/3)

117 The Democrats will offer weak critiques of Obama Care and/or Obama. To placate people's exasperation.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 24, 2014 01:55 PM (spmY9)

118 Prayers going up, AllenG.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 24, 2014 01:55 PM (0HooB)

119

Would libs prefer that skyscrapers went the other way...thrusting downward, penetrating into the earth?

Posted by: wheatie at February 24, 2014 01:56 PM (DEUoo)

120 Prayers sent Allen.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at February 24, 2014 01:56 PM (VtjlW)

121 Wow, what a liar this guy is!!!!!

Posted by: King Liar, Master Deceptor of the Universe at February 24, 2014 01:56 PM (4/o9U)

122 Praying, Allen. My grandmother went through the same thing. If you'd like to talk about anything shoot me an email.. My wife is taking it really hard. They have some bad blood between them, but they have both been trying to set it aside (or at least pretend it wasn't there) for the kids.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 24, 2014 01:57 PM (PYAXX)

123 Posted by: Lauren at February 24, 2014 05:39 PM (hFL/3) I saw some numbers that claimed to be accurate but I don't know. If they were it was a $10/year difference. But as I said, these subsidies are just estimates. Work some overtime, get another job the year, you're screwed comrade.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at February 24, 2014 01:58 PM (a8eFL)

124 Urgent Prayer request from the Horde- My step-mother-in-law apparently fell in her home earlier today and hit her head pretty badly. She's at the hospital undergoing emergency surgery for a blood clot. We here in TX (they live in MI) probably won't know anything for several hours. Prayers up! Best wishes!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 24, 2014 01:59 PM (h1D+w)

125 No one believes that Ace can spell "Pinocchio".

Posted by: YourPoopyPants at February 24, 2014 02:00 PM (Y/HG5)

126 Heh.... what was that guys name??? Samuel P Mudd or something like that? Posted by: fixerupper at February 24, 2014 05:38 PM (nELVU) Wasn't it Harcort Fenton Mudd, or something?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2014 02:00 PM (TGgNi)

127 it depends on what your definition of 7,000,000 is folks

plus, ah, um, now, let me be clear, Pinocchio is a fictional character, so what could he possibly have to do with this

Posted by: barack obama as Augustus at February 24, 2014 02:00 PM (en1G6)

128 15 But in the meantime, the Democrats' candidate for the Michigan Senate, Gary Peters, is siccing lawyers on local tv stations to block them from airing the ad. Worse. He's threatening the stations with some kind of FCC review if they continue to show the ad. Ladies and gentlemen, your Ruling Class at work. ----------- Gary Peters was hand picked by our former governor Jennifer Granholm to tout the party line. He was formerly in charge of our lotto. It is a function of Michigan politics that various people are transferred from office to office, and no new people need apply.

Posted by: Chilling the most at February 24, 2014 02:00 PM (gxtMZ)

129 Republicans have yet to offer a coherent critique of Obama Care or any of its premises.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 24, 2014 02:00 PM (spmY9)

130 I love how Kessler describes trying to get the administration to consistently use truthful numbers in the healthcare debate as being akin to playing whack-a-mole. Even libsters like Kessler sometimes get close to the truth, even inadvertently. TFG and fellow progressives are inveterate liars.

Posted by: MTF at February 24, 2014 02:01 PM (F58x4)

131 But as I said, these subsidies are just estimates. Work some overtime, get another job the year, you're screwed comrade. It's almost like the Dims never intended ObamaCare to be an improvement over the existing health insurance system.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 24, 2014 02:01 PM (0HooB)

132 Is she okay with football stadiums? Is it better if they have a retractable roof? Put some hair around the edges....

Posted by: rickb223 at February 24, 2014 02:01 PM (h1D+w)

133 But what if your vagina looked like Jar Jar Binks' ears? I'm just asking for a friend.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro Vermont at February 24, 2014 02:01 PM (uJbZ6)

134 Doing so might actually be a good idea. Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 24, 2014 02:02 PM (spmY9)

135 We here in TX (they live in MI) probably won't know anything for several hours.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 24, 2014 05:53 PM (PYAXX)

Prayers.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Duchess of Something at February 24, 2014 02:02 PM (baL2B)

136 Something on the main page is trying to load an audio file. Twice. It's the price we pay for &&&&&.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 24, 2014 02:04 PM (0HooB)

137 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 24, 2014 05:53 PM (PYAXX) I'll say some prayers once I escape this temple of secularism I'm in right now.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at February 24, 2014 02:05 PM (a8eFL)

138 These brutally accurate attack ads must stop.

Posted by: Dave S. at February 24, 2014 02:05 PM (M7Cfv)

139 43 It's possible it was linked here a few days ago, but even more damning than the cancer ad was the oped written by the family of a woman who died because Obamacare canceled her insurance and she was waiting to see a doctor about her severe stomach pain until her new policy took effect.
She died waiting. Posted by: Lauren at February 24, 2014 05:32 PM (hFL/3)

In House of Cards S1, Kevin Spacey's char (spoilers?) is in the midst of a union strike over his education bill and has his minions monitoring the police scanners. When a kid gets shot during the day, he feeds the info to his pet journalist and they paint it as "the kid should have been in school, union is to blame." that and a few other threats and the unions leader folded like a cheap suit, education bill passes.

If the GOP had the stones to push the sob stories and the MSM was doing their bidding, Obamacare would long ago have been repealed. But they don't, so it won't, sigh.

Posted by: LizLem at February 24, 2014 02:07 PM (BF+2f)

140 These brutally accurate attack ads must stop. Indeed! How dare someone accurately quote us or invoke the truth! Harrumph!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 24, 2014 02:08 PM (0HooB)

141 Will be praying for you, Allen. The silent unity prayer line is 1 8169692000. They are always helpful.

Posted by: Chilling the most at February 24, 2014 02:08 PM (gxtMZ)

142 'Irish Democracy' will be the death of O'bama Care.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at February 24, 2014 02:09 PM (CnA98)

143 How does anyone lose to these idiots?

Ole'

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 24, 2014 02:10 PM (DL2i+)

144 Will be saying prayers for your Step-Mother-in-Law, and for your wife, Allen.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 24, 2014 02:12 PM (XyM/Y)

145

If the stations had anyone with brains and a desire for ratings, they would invite both Julie and the congress critter to discuss this live on their newscast.

And promote the hell out of it.

Posted by: rd at February 24, 2014 02:15 PM (D+lxs)

146 Â“One need not have an actual conspiracy to achieve the practical effects of a conspiracy. More regimes have been brought, piecemeal, to their knees by what was once called Â‘Irish Democracy,Â’ the silent, dogged resistance, withdrawal, and truculence of millions of ordinary people, than by revolutionary vanguards or rioting mobs.Â” James Scott, 'Two Cheers for Anarchism'

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at February 24, 2014 02:17 PM (CnA98)

147 Alright, y'all. I'm out. Thanks for the prayers.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 24, 2014 02:18 PM (PYAXX)

148 Thanks to the Affordable Care Act, 7 billion previously uninsured Americans now have access to health care.

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 24, 2014 02:19 PM (SY2Kh)

149 See, this is a winning ad then. If it has the Dems this terrified that they commit a terrible PR faux pas as threatening the TV stations and calling the cancer victim a liar, it's effective enough. Let the patients tell their stories, and air them non-stop in every single state. Crush them. No wonder Land (the Republican) has been polling ahead there.

Posted by: CAC at February 24, 2014 02:20 PM (UXoXX)

150 new revolting thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2014 02:26 PM (DmNpO)

151 More lies about our black president just to make him look worse then Bush.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Obamaboro, Vt at February 24, 2014 02:26 PM (QcUWW)

152 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 24, 2014 05:53 PM (PYAXX)

My grandma falls constantly, never know what day I am going to get a phone call saying she is at the ER getting stitches in her head, again, and whether or not she sustained a concussion. Yet cannot get her to use a walker to save her life, literally. Prayers for you and her.

Posted by: LizLem at February 24, 2014 02:28 PM (BF+2f)

153 I thought Ace would at least mention True Detective. Anyone think that if we went into Ace's apartment we would find little stick "devil traps"?

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 24, 2014 02:41 PM (6Nj7A)

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