May 03, 2014

Weekend Travel Thread: Bang for Your Buck Edition [Y-not]
— Open Blogger

Greetings, travelers! Welcome to your weekend travel thread. Today's topic is how to get the most bang for your buck and is brought to you by the "budget traveler":

Having recently been completely reamed on my last-minute trip back East, I thought today we could share tips and stories for the budget traveler.

Now that I'm older, I don't tend to have to worry too much about cost when I travel. That's not to say that I am wealthy, it's just that I've developed certain habits and priorities when I travel. I have a sort of internal budgeting mechanism that keeps trips affordable such as flexibility in travel dates, experience with hotel chains, and money-saving habits while I'm actually on the road.

Of course, when I was much younger the way I saved money on traveling was to not travel at all! Or to use cut-rate airlines... anybody else here remember People Express Airlines? Yeah, glad those days are over!

All of those things get tossed out the window when you get a call from home (2,000 miles away) and have to book a flight, hotel, and car in three hours and hop on a plane.

Some of you probably travel a lot for work (as I once did). That can certainly make things cheaper. You're probably members of airline, hotel, and rental car clubs. You may even have a lot of "points" accumulated upon which you can draw when the need arises.

The rest of us occasional travelers need other ways to keep costs down. Here are a few tips I picked up this week:

Four secrets to getting the lowest rate from travel websites:

Some of the tips at this Wisebread article are pretty intuitive. For example, they recommend you clear your history and go into "private browsing" mode so the websites aren't able to track your level of interest in a particular flight. They also suggest you check fares with and without your frequent flyer ID.

Others might surprise you:

Last year, Orbitz made the news when it became apparent that they were showing different search results for Windows users and Mac users.

According to media coverage, Orbitz pushes higher priced options to people who make their bookings on Apple devices. Apparently, Orbitz noticed that Mac users spend up to 30% more than Windows users on travel and are 40% more likely than Windows users to book rooms at four- and five-star hotels. In this particular case, personalization meant that Mac users are sometimes shown more expensive hotels on Orbitz.

Fortunately, whether you're using Mac or PC, the price for any particular hotel room on Orbitz is the same. Orbitz only plays with the order in which the hotels are displayed, showing the pricier hotels first for Mac users. In other words, you can change the search results simply by choosing the option to sort the results by price.

Also courtesy of Wisebread, here's their ranking of the top travel reward credit cards. My husband uses a couple of these and they're ok, but I still prefer cash back credit cards. Do any of you have one you particularly like?

How many of you use hotel booking sites? I've only had limited experience, when I was doing business travel, but that experience was negative enough that I will not use them. The biggest problem I found is that if you have to make a change to the reservation, you're boned. This can really be a problem if the person who booked the room (an administrative assistant, for example) is not available to make the changes. I also frequently run across negative reviews for hotel rooms in which they traveler complains about requests made through these sites not being honored. Plus, when I travel for pleasure, I'm usually pretty particular about where I stay. I'll tolerate an inconvenient set of flights more readily than a badly located or cut-rate hotel.

What has been your experience?

In any event, here's a round up of reviews of hotel booking services. Priceline and Hotels dot com fare the best. Expedia is in the lower half in their ranking. I really don't have enough experience using these services to have an opinion one way or the other.

What I have found is that often a bed and breakfast can provide a much more acceptable stay for a short trip, particularly in an expensive city, than will a chain hotel or motel. And you'll usually get a "free" meal out of the bargain.

Alternatively, if it kills you to spend $150/night for a lumpy bed with overstuffed pillows, there's always camping! This site provides a list of free campsites in the U.S.

Here's a sample review for a site in Utah:

Dispersed, free camping near Losee Canyon in the Dixie National Forest of Utah. A vault toilet and a seasonal corral area available at the Losee Canyon trail head about 700 feet away. The area's must see trail, Arches Trail, is also at the trail head. Flies can be a bit of an annoyance as there is also a giant pile of manure at the trail head.

There are 3-6 camping areas nestled in the tree line along a secondary dirt road. Getting past two trees right at the beginning of the left turn off may be a issue for larger RVs. As we are less than 30' it is hard for me to judge.

There is also a camping area on the main grade.

I am not a camper, but this seems like a very useful site to me. It also gives me an excuse to post a link to some nice photographs of southern Utah.

What are your strategies for keeping travel costs down?


To wrap things up, courtesy of Sister Y-not, here's a Judgmental Map of Baltimore (go to the link to embiggen):

BaltimoreMap.jpg

She reports that it's pretty accurate. (She'd know. She's a probation officer! lol)

There are maps for some other cities at the link. (I need to get off my duff and do one for Salt Lake City sometime.)


Posted by: Open Blogger at 02:09 PM | Comments (95)
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1 If you're willing to spend a night or two in a room with perfect strangers, hostels are your friend.

Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 02:12 PM (MpP9p)

2 >>1 If you're willing to spend a night or two in a room with perfect strangers In other words, another Saturday night for me!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at May 03, 2014 02:14 PM (zDsvJ)

3 In other words, another Saturday night for me!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at May 03, 2014 06:14 PM (zDsvJ)



And every other night of the week.

Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 02:15 PM (MpP9p)

4 I know I should try to be a little more budget with my travel, but I did that when I was young and now I just want comfort and convenience.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 03, 2014 02:22 PM (+0txR)

5 That Judgmental map of Bawlmer is spot on. 

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Infused with Leftist Logic at May 03, 2014 02:22 PM (jucos)

6 Speaking of travel. Yankeefifth on the ONT was talking of a Great Moron Convergence in Vegas at the Rio for 18-20 July this year.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 03, 2014 02:23 PM (L+hnr)

7 If you want to stay at on Disney property cheap you can tent camp, but if you want a Room rent from a Disney Vaction Club member (timeshare) members like me will Rent their extra points at 30-40% less than thru Disney, and these rooms have Kitchens and Laundry so you can save even more money.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at May 03, 2014 02:24 PM (b6koZ)

8 One thing we did in NYC, is stay at a place that had breakfast included. Then we would eat a late lunch at around 3pm and not have dinner. Of course I was with my kid so he wasn't really into going out to gourmet restaurants to eat overpriced meals anyway so that made it easier. Plus, he stocked up at dylans candy bar and m&m world, so was plenty happy. The hotel we stayed at had complimentary wine in the evenings so mama was plenty happy too.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 03, 2014 02:24 PM (+0txR)

9 I've been on both sides of the "budget" and "you've earned enough points to deserve it" travel.  With respect to the latter, more times than not they'll give you free internet, food, water, and soda. 


I've also learned that the lower-budget places will give you free internet.  The higher-budget places?   You'll pay for it unless you've earned status.

Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 02:25 PM (MpP9p)

10 6 Speaking of travel. Yankeefifth on the ONT was talking of a Great Moron Convergence in Vegas at the Rio for 18-20 July this year. -- Should be hotter than hell then. I was there in August one year -- almost died. Of course, it's cool in the bars...

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 02:26 PM (zDsvJ)

11 One thing we did in NYC, is stay at a place that had breakfast included. Then we would eat a late lunch at around 3pm and not have dinner.
One thing we did in NYC, is stay at a place that had breakfast included.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 03, 2014 06:24 PM (+0txR)



I did the same in London.  Worked well.

Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 02:26 PM (MpP9p)

12 8 One thing we did in NYC, is stay at a place that had breakfast included. Then we would eat a late lunch at around 3pm and not have dinner. -- Yeah, I'm starting to budget on food with strategies like that. We really will try to find a good grocery store and use it for in-room snacks, then save most of our dining budget for one or two special meals.

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 02:28 PM (zDsvJ)

13 I'm starting to get sick of the rental car stuff. They are so friggin' expensive. Last time we were in the Phoenix/Tempe area we did not rent a car. We stayed at a hotel in Tempe and used their shuttle or walked (this was in Spring) or cabbed it.

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 02:29 PM (zDsvJ)

14 Yeah, I'm starting to budget on food with strategies like that. We really will try to find a good grocery store and use it for in-room snacks, then save most of our dining budget for one or two special meals.

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 06:28 PM (zDsvJ)



Another good strategy is to bring protein bars or breakfast bars.

Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 02:31 PM (MpP9p)

15 Cities where we've traveled successfully/happily without a car: Chicago, Tempe/Phoenix, Vancouver, B.C., and Boston. Some places you really need a car. And, sadly, I'm finding that when I go back to Balto-Wash area, I have to get the car insurance. Too much vandalism.

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 02:31 PM (zDsvJ)

16 welcome to your dossier

Posted by: DM at May 03, 2014 02:32 PM (Ztudx)

17

10 6 Speaking of travel. Yankeefifth on the ONT was talking of a Great Moron Convergence in Vegas at the Rio for 18-20 July this year.
--

Should be hotter than hell then. I was there in August one year -- almost died.

Of course, it's cool in the bars...

 

Kaboomapalooza has legs? I thought it was a myth? And it REALLY should be at Circus Circus...

Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at May 03, 2014 02:34 PM (X3xYu)

18 My wife does the online searching for the best prices on flights. One thing I've learned is a lot of times the best prices are for insanely early flights, actually most of the time. What we do is book a park and fly most of the time. The cost of the hotel is more than made up by not having to pay for parking at the airport. Esp. if you are going on a longer trip.

Posted by: The Farmer at May 03, 2014 02:38 PM (eBupg)

19 The Marriott Rewards VISA card is lucrative. Our cash-back card of choice is the AMEX (no fee) Costco card. We'll probably need to make another baby to make it really pay off (i.e., buy lots more diapers and baby wipes) but even now it rocks.

Posted by: logprof at May 03, 2014 02:40 PM (GW/jL)

20 Heh, The Wire should be bigger, encopassing most of the West and East sides of the city, as well, as the gentrified hipster whitebread divisions. The Game still the Game.

Posted by: logprof at May 03, 2014 02:44 PM (GW/jL)

21 Well via Kayak I tried to find a cheap package to Las Vegas.

But I need to use JAN in Jackson.  Memphis and New Orleans are both three plus hour drives away.  And to further jack up prices, Southwest is stopping their JAN to LAS flight on June 7th.

So cheapest package I found was with Circus Circus for hotel and flight for $717 + all the taxes.

So Las Vegas pretty much got blown right out of my budget.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 03, 2014 02:47 PM (L+hnr)

22 17 Kaboomapalooza has legs? I thought it was a myth? And it REALLY should be at Circus Circus... --------------- Kaboom-a-palooza has become corporeal, like Yog-Sothoth, and has tentacles. Circus Circus would have that Dateline/To Catch a Predator vibe, to be sure, but Rio does have Penn and Teller going for it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 03, 2014 02:49 PM (QBm1P)

23 In any event, here's a round up of reviews of hotel booking services. Priceline and Hotels dot com fare the best. Expedia is in the lower half in their ranking. I really don't have enough experience using these services to have an opinion one way or the other. I use Trivago dot com. It lists all the deals from all the hotel booking sites so you have your choice of the best price, instead of having to go to each site individually. After viewing the options, the last few times I have ended up booking through Hotels dot com, as they had the best deals (including free cancellation deals). No complaints at all.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 03, 2014 02:51 PM (7A4qQ)

24 Y-not is a probation officer? The More You Know...

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 03, 2014 02:53 PM (oFCZn)

25 Might be cheaper to find a timeshare in Vegas.

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 02:53 PM (zDsvJ)

26 Bob Costas is on? *CLICK*

Posted by: logprof at May 03, 2014 02:54 PM (GW/jL)

27 Or a dumpster.

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 02:54 PM (zDsvJ)

28 Sister is. So was my dad.

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 02:54 PM (zDsvJ)

29 somewhat off topic, but gateway pundit has two airplane stories in the last hour or two: 1: "A relic from the Cold War appears to have triggered a software glitch at a major air traffic control center in California Wednesday that led to delays and cancellations of hundreds of flights across the country, sources familiar with the incident told NBC News. On Wednesday at about 2 p.m., according to sources, a U-2 spy plane, the same type of aircraft that flew high-altitude spy missions over Russia 50 years ago, passed through the airspace monitored by the L.A. Air Route Traffic Control Center in Palmdale, Calif. The L.A. Center handles landings and departures at the regionÂ’s major airports, including Los Angeles International (LAX), San Diego and Las Vegas. The computers at the L.A. Center are programmed to keep commercial airliners and other aircraft from colliding with each other. The U-2 was flying at 60,000 feet, but the computers were attempting to keep it from colliding with planes that were actually miles beneath it. 2: from the UK Daily Mail: A group of 11 terrorists with links to Al Qaeda were yesterday being interrogated on whether they are behind the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. The suspects were arrested in the capital Kuala Lumpur and in the state of Kedah last week and are members of a violent new terror group said to be planning bomb attacks in Muslim countries.

Posted by: mallfly at May 03, 2014 02:54 PM (bJm7W)

30 An SLC map would be fantastic, but possibly the most politically incorrect thing you could ever do. If anyone on the Wasatch Front knows who you are I would suggest streaking Temple Square might be a safer bet.

Posted by: Roy at May 03, 2014 02:55 PM (wdHQo)

31 The misanthrope's map. I'd love to see a map like this for every city. Boulder would probably just have one label though, "hey Vladimir! the city council just called yo' mama a whore"

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at May 03, 2014 02:57 PM (rAeZm)

32 now that I think of it, I one went to Balmer with some relatives maybe 15 years ago. I had a map of the city with me, and to find my way from the Pratt Library to Inner Harbor, I had to turn the map upside down.

Posted by: mallfly at May 03, 2014 03:02 PM (bJm7W)

33 Boulder would probably just have one label though, "hey Vladimir! the city council just called yo' mama a whore"

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at May 03, 2014 06:57 PM (rAeZm)


bwahahahaha!!!

Posted by: Peaches at May 03, 2014 03:02 PM (8lmkt)

34 Also attended an Orioles game. Temperature must have been in the mid 90s and I'll be damned if I could tell how the guy in the oriole outfit running around the stadium leading the fans in cheers could tolerate the heat. Also saw a ball hit into the stands: went through a fan's hands and a Hot Dog vendor (worst looking hot dogs I'd ever seen) got hit right between the shoulder blades

Posted by: mallfly at May 03, 2014 03:05 PM (bJm7W)

35 Ahhhh the O-re-Os. The reason I grew up not liking baseball! It took moving to Chicago to learn to like it. Of course that was from watching the Cubs.... And rooting for the Cards! ;-)

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 03:08 PM (zDsvJ)

36 Also attended an Orioles game. Temperature must have been in the mid 90s and I'll be damned if I could tell how the guy in the oriole outfit running around the stadium leading the fans in cheers could tolerate the heat. Also saw a ball hit into the stands: went through a fan's hands and a Hot Dog vendor (worst looking hot dogs I'd ever seen) got hit right between the shoulder blades

Posted by: mallfly at May 03, 2014 07:05 PM (bJm7W)



Oriole Park at Camden Yards is a beautiful ballpark.  I was able to attend Cal Ripken's last game.  The owner is a die-hard Dem, though.  That being said, if you are a ballpark aficionado you should visit and buy your soda and hot dog outside.

Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 03:08 PM (MpP9p)

37 I also recommend the Albuquerque Isotopes' ballpark for a great AAA experience.

Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 03:10 PM (MpP9p)

38 If you're traveling internationally, ensure your using a card that does not charge foreign transactIon fees. They will eat you up.

Posted by: Jean at May 03, 2014 03:11 PM (Aqvh6)

39 Edna Purviance was kinda cute.

Posted by: rickl at May 03, 2014 03:12 PM (sdi6R)

40 If you're traveling internationally, ensure your using a card that does not charge foreign transactIon fees. They will eat you up.

Posted by: Jean at May 03, 2014 07:11 PM (Aqvh6)



If you're a Bank of America customer, they have a lot of banking partners who will waive that fee.  I know of Barclays and ScotiaBank (Canada).

Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 03:13 PM (MpP9p)

41 Sent the Baltimore map to my sister who lives nearby, I just finished watching all of The Wire, highly, highly recommended if anyone hasn't seen it. One of the best series ever.

Posted by: Goldilocks at May 03, 2014 03:15 PM (nM1oG)

42 Iphone 7 commercial with pseudo-indie babe singing "gigantic!!!' ad nauseum is da suxxor.

Posted by: logprof at May 03, 2014 03:16 PM (GW/jL)

43 I was at the All Star Game at Camden Yards.  Nose bleed seats in the upper deck in left field.  At least I got a breeze that not everyone in the stadium got.  I was hot as hell.  No interest in the Orioles anymore.  Peter Angelos is a real dickhead.  I favor the Nationals now.  Their park is new, but doesn't have the character that Oriole Park has.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Infused with Leftist Logic at May 03, 2014 03:20 PM (jucos)

44 Ever hear of the Saugus Iron Works in MA? I've driven by the site, a national park, a thousand times. Finally two years ago I visited the place. Fascinating. And it was only a 10 minute drive.

Posted by: Soothie § at May 03, 2014 03:22 PM (n/TBE)

45 41 Sent the Baltimore map to my sister who lives nearby, I just finished watching all of The Wire, highly, highly recommended if anyone hasn't seen it. One of the best series ever. Posted by: Goldilocks at May 03, 2014 07:15 PM (nM1oG) --Remember when some progtard put up side-by-side illustrations of what a Democrat-run city would look like, versus a Republican-run city? I commented that the Democrat-run city has already been accurately portrayed in The Wire, and thereafter shut off the comments. . . .

Posted by: logprof at May 03, 2014 03:25 PM (GW/jL)

46 Yeah, I'm starting to budget on food with strategies like that. We really will try to find a good grocery store and use it for in-room snacks, then save most of our dining budget for one or two special meals. Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 06:28 PM (zDsvJ) Another good strategy is to bring protein bars or breakfast bars. Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 06:31 PM (MpP9p) Assuming they have a coffee maker, instant ramen is a cheap way to get by.

Posted by: The Instant Hat (just add water) at May 03, 2014 03:25 PM (K1sEu)

47 I was at the All Star Game at Camden Yards. Nose bleed seats in the upper deck in left field. At least I got a breeze that not everyone in the stadium got. I was hot as hell. No interest in the Orioles anymore. Peter Angelos is a real dickhead. I favor the Nationals now. Their park is new, but doesn't have the character that Oriole Park has.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Infused with Leftist Logic at May 03, 2014 07:20 PM (jucos)


At Nats Park I get the cheapest ticket possible and stand at the Red Porch (bar with standing room in the outfield) for as long as I want and then wander.  



Once the MARC quit doing the "train to Camden Yards, bus back to DC" deal I stopped going to Orioles games.

Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 03:26 PM (MpP9p)

48 "Oriole Park at Camden Yards is a beautiful ballpark. I was able to attend Cal Ripken's last game. The owner is a die-hard Dem, though. That being said, if you are a ballpark aficionado you should visit and buy your soda and hot dog outside.

37 I also recommend the Albuquerque Isotopes' ballpark for a great AAA experience.
"
-Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 07:08 PM (MpP9p)

The Double-A and even Single-A experience has been enhanced by "Localization" of Minor League Clubs.  Good teams localize their talent.

The Taxation, however, makes me think of the Broken Windows Theory.  There is always a "Sin Tax" to re-distribute wealth to those who can never "earn it".



Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 03:26 PM (lq3Ak)

49 21 Anna Puma: Have no idea if it's feasible, but could you fly BTR to get to a hub and then get a better price to Vegas?

Posted by: RovingCopyEditor at May 03, 2014 03:28 PM (cbmm3)

50 The Double-A and even Single-A experience has been enhanced by "Localization" of Minor League Clubs. Good teams localize their talent.

The Taxation, however, makes me think of the Broken Windows Theory. There is always a "Sin Tax" to re-distribute wealth to those who can never "earn it".



Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 07:26 PM (lq3Ak)



The Isotopes embrace The Simpsons (foul ball = D'oh!).  And their concessions face inward, so you can watch the game while standing in line.

Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 03:29 PM (MpP9p)

51 Kings-Ducks up next!

Posted by: logprof at May 03, 2014 03:30 PM (GW/jL)

52 The wife and I are all about the budget trips these days (after a few years of high spending fun.) We're going to Chicago by spending hotel points (we had to buy $50 in points, but that's less than a hotel room in downtown Chicago.) Also we had to split our stay, one night at one hotel, then another at a second. But other than the $50 our hotels cost nothing (maybe taxes?) and we're taking Amtrak up there. Parents gave us a Goose Island card a while back so that's one night dinner. Whole trip will probably be less than $500 including food for both of us (if even that honestly, I'm just spit balling, probably closer to $250.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 03, 2014 03:31 PM (HDwDg)

53 >>51 Kings-Ducks up next! In the games we've seen during the playoffs, each team was really dirty. We're planning on rooting for injuries. Go Bruins!!!

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 03:33 PM (zDsvJ)

54 Made up my mind to make a new start, Going To California with an aching in my heart.

Posted by: Robert Plant Watching NHL Playoffs at May 03, 2014 03:34 PM (GW/jL)

55 But other than the $50 our hotels cost nothing (maybe taxes?) and we're taking Amtrak up there. --- May I ask where you are? I ask b/c one time yrs ago when I had to travel to my mom's funeral (from Boston to Maryland), I priced Amtrak and it was more expensive than a flight.

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 03:35 PM (zDsvJ)

56 Quack! Quack! http://youtu.be/5ty_WlmIKvY

Posted by: Anaheim Ducks at May 03, 2014 03:36 PM (GW/jL)

57 54 Made up my mind to make a new start, Going To California with an aching in my heart. Posted by: Robert Plant Watching NHL Playoffs at May 03, 2014 07:34 PM (GW/jL) Uh yeah, about that Bob. Maybe you been away too long, but California is NOT the place you want to be these days.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 03, 2014 03:36 PM (oFCZn)

58 When I was at Holloman and the wife was in Alabama @ grad school I'd drive across Texas several times a year. My tip for this thread is that hotels/motels have a pot of coffee for guests at any hour. They don't know you- so free coffee! My cheapest trips were on uncle sam's dime. Go to exotic places and blow up exotic people while getting paid! That don't work for Disney trips with the kids btw.

Posted by: Drewbicle at May 03, 2014 03:37 PM (iGiss)

59 Cheapest to fly on Tuesdays, I love the Kimpton chain [the most worthwhile hotel plan to join], and use TripAdvisor to get comments/ratings/prices to cull out over-priced or skeevy places. Hit Kayak.com to see what flights are available, then go direct to the airlines to book your ticket. I rented a car last month from E-Z Car, el chapo [$18/day, unlimited mileage for a Nissan Sentra in Orlando] their cars were on site at the airport. Great deal. I traveled frequently for business, now we do it for fun, but I still like a good bargain.

Posted by: museisluse at May 03, 2014 03:39 PM (ngu15)

60 Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 07:35 PM (zDsvJ) St. Louis. Amtrak runs a Lincoln service that costs between $25-$35 a ticket or so each way (per person.) Granted I could probably drive for that much, but then I'd have to deal with a car. Also worth noting this and KC is pretty much the only place where Amtrak is even close to being competitive price wise.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 03, 2014 03:39 PM (HDwDg)

61 Amtrak runs a Lincoln service that costs between $25-$35 a ticket or so each way (per person.) Granted I could probably drive for that much, but then I'd have to deal with a car. --- That's a great deal. And, yeah, having a car in Chicago would be a PITA.

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 03:41 PM (zDsvJ)

62 If you are going to be someplace for three or more nights, VRBO.co [vacation rental by owner] can be very cost effective and mucho bang for your buck, especially in resort [ski. golf. beach, theme park] areas.

Posted by: museisluse at May 03, 2014 03:43 PM (ngu15)

63 Okay, after peering over that Bawlmer map, I have to ask, what/who is a "Sorostitute" (other than David Brock)?

Posted by: Anaheim Mighty Ducks at May 03, 2014 03:44 PM (GW/jL)

64 /Disney sock

Posted by: logprof at May 03, 2014 03:45 PM (GW/jL)

65 Baton Rouge?  No bueno.  Save about $50 on a flight.  And with the price of gas.  What savings?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 03, 2014 03:45 PM (L+hnr)

66 I'm starting to get sick of the rental car stuff. They are so friggin' expensive.

I have a cow-orker who books the hotel and flights months in advance, and then the car two days before the flight. She thinks that's the sweet spot--they're getting anxious about unbooked inventory but it's not so close she can't hang up if they won't give her a deal.

I don't know; every time I fly I get picked up on the other end by my own private driver.  But I guess not everyone is cute enough for that to work.

Posted by: HR at May 03, 2014 03:49 PM (hO8IJ)

67 Okay, after peering over that Bawlmer map, I have to ask, what/who is a "Sorostitute" (other than David Brock)?

Posted by: Anaheim Mighty Ducks at May 03, 2014 07:44 PM (GW/jL)



My guess (for logprof):  Someone who bought in that area of Baltimore when it was hip and prices were high because it it close enough to the O's, the Ravens, Inner Harbor, and the MARC Camden Line to DC.  However, that person is screwed right now if he/she tried to sell.

Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 03:49 PM (MpP9p)

68 Via Twitter: @robfit 1m BREAKING: 11 Terrorists With Links to Al-Qaeda Arrested for Disappearance of Flight #MH370 http://shar.es/StVI8 Source seems to be the Daily Mail, so I don't know how credible it is. Does anyone know if Obarky's trip to Malaysia was impromptu or planned a long time ago?

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 03:50 PM (zDsvJ)

69 "Anna Puma: Have no idea if it's feasible, but could you fly BTR to get to a hub and then get a better price to Vegas?"

Beat me to it.

Also: Vegas has the biggest and slickest convention & visitors bureau you will find anywhere. I've had people tell me they can't afford a Vegas jaunt and I've pointed them there, and they have come back all smiles.

The only time the bureau hasn't been able to come back with amazing travel deal recommendations in my experience has been during the mega trade shows when the entire city books solid.

I'm not really a Vegas type, but that city are well aware that their prosperity hinges on getting people there, and they stretch to make that happen.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 03, 2014 03:52 PM (noWW6)

70 Log prof, absolutely. I have no idea how you could watch that series and be "Yay Democrats really care about poor people". Season Four, with the boys, and the schools just makes you want to claw your eyes out it is such a tragic waste. There is a whole generation of 30-50 year olds completely absent Boston would be no different if it had a bigger footprint and wasn't floating on a sea of university, insurance/finance/tech and hospital money. And a white middle class that still lives near downtown, though that is changing fast.

Posted by: Goldilocks at May 03, 2014 03:53 PM (nM1oG)

71 OT, but Major League Lacrosse cheerleaders are a dedicated lot.

Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 03:54 PM (MpP9p)

72 When it comes to camping, the state parks are amazingly affordable. We have been patrons for a few years now. There are some amazing locations for state parks - for example, Virginia Beach. You camp a hundred yards or so from the beach. If you are in a tent, only about $20 a night. In an RV, $31 a night. And we went to one in middle PA that we just turned the kids loose on their bikes and told them to come back when it was dark. It was big, the people were friendly. It was great.

Posted by: blaster at May 03, 2014 03:55 PM (UQKe/)

73 BREAKING: 11 Terrorists With Links to Al-Qaeda Arrested for Disappearance of Flight #MH370 http://shar.es/StVI8 - So it was snakes on a motherfucking plane.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 03, 2014 03:55 PM (Mogjf)

74 @robfit 1m BREAKING: 11 Terrorists With Links to Al-Qaeda Arrested for Disappearance of Flight #MH370 http://shar.es/StVI8 That is unpossible. We were assured within minutes of the plane going missing that there was no link to terrorism.

Posted by: blaster at May 03, 2014 03:57 PM (UQKe/)

75 Sorostitute = Sorority/Prostitute? My guess, anyway.

Posted by: Piercello at May 03, 2014 03:57 PM (JybVy)

76 I guess I'm going to wait to see if this MH370 story is the real deal, but if it is, I'm so furious about the farking around the authorities were doing.

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 03:57 PM (zDsvJ)

77 "Sorostitute"? Posted by: Anaheim Mighty Ducks at May 03, 2014 07:44 PM (GW/jL) Is it near a university? Could be an "easy" sorority girl type.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 03, 2014 03:58 PM (GDulk)

78 It could still be aliens.

Posted by: HR at May 03, 2014 03:58 PM (hO8IJ)

79 Most of you will know, but don't get the insurance when you rent a car. Your own vehicle insurance normally covers you.  Big saving.

Posted by: Bill sometimes bill from Canada at May 03, 2014 03:59 PM (ZTatW)

80 CNN must be going crazy. Either they have to ignore the ending to their biggest story of the year or their going to have to go full Islamaphobic.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 03, 2014 04:01 PM (Mogjf)

81 "The Isotopes embrace The Simpsons (foul ball = D'oh!). And their concessions face inward, so you can watch the game while standing in line."
-Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 07:29 PM (MpP9p)

Yes, Ma'am.  I'm a fan of the Iron Pigs, the Mudhens and a few others that aren't within my immediate driving-distance, but are imaginative teams, logos, etc.

I'm a baseball junkie.

I cannot, however, embrace the FACT that the Major League teams are allowed tax abatements plus admissions, concessions, parking, Stadium Improvements, etc.

The deal never works out fiscally for the Municipality in which it is established.

The City and County always lose money.  Even Municipalities with the most well-run teams, (St. Louis, New York, Atlanta, etc.), will lose money because they are "Held Hostage" to stadium, parking lot and street improvements.

The team will move.  Ask Atlanta.
-ask Baltimore.
-ask Cleveland.

Sports franchises have the ultimate, "You'd do worse without me!", Hangover, Withdrawl Syndrome of pulchritude.

Of Course you'll lose municipal revenue.  Have you "figured-in" the cost of "Paying This Team To Exist?"

-They do.

They rely on your emotional "pride".  Someone else will give them larger "breaks" to have that emotional buoyancy.  Their city seems to "Depend on it".

Within the "Non-Profit", Home Owners' Association of Franchised, Anti-Trust Exempt Legality, lies a "Pride".

They rely on your pride, so as to get funds that were not theirs to begin with.

It always goes beyond the Voted-Upon "Sin-Tax".

...Always


Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 04:02 PM (lq3Ak)

Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 04:02 PM (lq3Ak)

83 Good idea.  Bad Syntax. 
...Ironically.

Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 04:04 PM (lq3Ak)

84 "A relic from the Cold War appears to have triggered a software glitch at a major air traffic control center in California Wednesday that led to delays and cancellations of hundreds of flights across the country"

And it did this completely passively by simply flying at at an unusually high altitude, which freaked out FAA's systems.

Imagine the havoc that an actively malicious aircraft, or a bunch of them at once, could potentially produce.

I have read accounts of the B-58 Hustler during the height of the Cold War.

Wherein crews who were training Stateside in ready-to-go fully milspec combat-coded B-58s had their electronic warfare officer accidentally hit the wrong switch in flight, go active on the formidable electronic countermeasures, and take down radars across a thousand-mile swathe of the country at once.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 03, 2014 04:05 PM (noWW6)

85 Nood

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 04:06 PM (zDsvJ)

86 New Thread.

wait...  "NOOD!"

Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 04:07 PM (lq3Ak)

87 Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 08:02 PM (lq3Ak)



Nationals Stadium relied upon DC taypayers and imminent domain that cleared out gentlemen's stripclubs (they were promised other locations in DC that have not materialized yet) and housing projects.  The area is booming with residential, hotel, and retail.  And the Department of Transportation built a new HQ there.  RFK, which housed them until they moved, is now only home to DC United until they can get a better location.

Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 04:10 PM (MpP9p)

88 Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 08:10 PM (MpP9p)

Government always makes deals that the bottom-line cannot accomplish.

Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 04:12 PM (lq3Ak)

89 Government always makes deals that the bottom-line cannot accomplish.

Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 08:12 PM (lq3Ak)


Yup.

Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 04:13 PM (MpP9p)

90 Although I will say that the arena that the Wizards and the Capitals play in was built with private dollars and that area of DC is revitalized.

Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 04:15 PM (MpP9p)

91 There will always be exceptions that prove the rule.

...for the moment.

The Broken Windows Theory still applies.

...as does the "law of diminishing returns".

And when the Franchises fall upon "Hard Times"?

...where does the "Free Agent Money" come from?

A:  "We only need a 2% increase on whatever mot of you don't eat/drink/smoke/whatever".

I know!  We'll tax Tanning Salons!

Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 04:31 PM (lq3Ak)

92 "mot" = most

Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 04:32 PM (lq3Ak)

93   If anyone is interested in strictly recreational travel, you might want to check out "The Green Tortoise". For unconventional travelers it can be a lot of fun. They use refurbed and modified, interstate buses and have a large number of destinations. You can "ride the green" almost everywhere in North America, Alaska to Baja California, Los Angeles to New Orleans, New York to New Orleans, San Francisco to Boston, with many points of interest and national parks as well.
 They have a very interesting system where some nights one might sleep on the bus in specially modified bunks, while the bus is in transit, some nights are camping, and some nights are in a hostel. The cooking duties are rotated among the travelers, supervised by the driver/guide of course. It is not luxurious, but not uncomfortable either. You also get the advantage of making some reall unique friends. Have fun!

Posted by: Sho-Nuff at May 03, 2014 05:06 PM (E7i+5)

94 I like to stay at Hilton Garden Inn on our family roadtrips. Decent pool for kiddos, nice rooms and suites and awesome breakfast. Not too much money and sometimes discounted on Expedia.

Posted by: Justamom at May 03, 2014 05:35 PM (BfZ1r)

95 Thanks for the tips and suggestions! See you next week.

Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 07:08 PM (zDsvJ)

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