May 03, 2014
— Open Blogger Greetings, travelers! Welcome to your weekend travel thread. Today's topic is how to get the most bang for your buck and is brought to you by the "budget traveler":
Having recently been completely reamed on my last-minute trip back East, I thought today we could share tips and stories for the budget traveler.
Now that I'm older, I don't tend to have to worry too much about cost when I travel. That's not to say that I am wealthy, it's just that I've developed certain habits and priorities when I travel. I have a sort of internal budgeting mechanism that keeps trips affordable such as flexibility in travel dates, experience with hotel chains, and money-saving habits while I'm actually on the road.
Of course, when I was much younger the way I saved money on traveling was to not travel at all! Or to use cut-rate airlines... anybody else here remember People Express Airlines? Yeah, glad those days are over!
All of those things get tossed out the window when you get a call from home (2,000 miles away) and have to book a flight, hotel, and car in three hours and hop on a plane.
Some of you probably travel a lot for work (as I once did). That can certainly make things cheaper. You're probably members of airline, hotel, and rental car clubs. You may even have a lot of "points" accumulated upon which you can draw when the need arises.
The rest of us occasional travelers need other ways to keep costs down. Here are a few tips I picked up this week:
Four secrets to getting the lowest rate from travel websites:
Some of the tips at this Wisebread article are pretty intuitive. For example, they recommend you clear your history and go into "private browsing" mode so the websites aren't able to track your level of interest in a particular flight. They also suggest you check fares with and without your frequent flyer ID.
Others might surprise you:
Last year, Orbitz made the news when it became apparent that they were showing different search results for Windows users and Mac users.According to media coverage, Orbitz pushes higher priced options to people who make their bookings on Apple devices. Apparently, Orbitz noticed that Mac users spend up to 30% more than Windows users on travel and are 40% more likely than Windows users to book rooms at four- and five-star hotels. In this particular case, personalization meant that Mac users are sometimes shown more expensive hotels on Orbitz.
Fortunately, whether you're using Mac or PC, the price for any particular hotel room on Orbitz is the same. Orbitz only plays with the order in which the hotels are displayed, showing the pricier hotels first for Mac users. In other words, you can change the search results simply by choosing the option to sort the results by price.
Also courtesy of Wisebread, here's their ranking of the top travel reward credit cards. My husband uses a couple of these and they're ok, but I still prefer cash back credit cards. Do any of you have one you particularly like?
How many of you use hotel booking sites? I've only had limited experience, when I was doing business travel, but that experience was negative enough that I will not use them. The biggest problem I found is that if you have to make a change to the reservation, you're boned. This can really be a problem if the person who booked the room (an administrative assistant, for example) is not available to make the changes. I also frequently run across negative reviews for hotel rooms in which they traveler complains about requests made through these sites not being honored. Plus, when I travel for pleasure, I'm usually pretty particular about where I stay. I'll tolerate an inconvenient set of flights more readily than a badly located or cut-rate hotel.
What has been your experience?
In any event, here's a round up of reviews of hotel booking services. Priceline and Hotels dot com fare the best. Expedia is in the lower half in their ranking. I really don't have enough experience using these services to have an opinion one way or the other.
What I have found is that often a bed and breakfast can provide a much more acceptable stay for a short trip, particularly in an expensive city, than will a chain hotel or motel. And you'll usually get a "free" meal out of the bargain.
Alternatively, if it kills you to spend $150/night for a lumpy bed with overstuffed pillows, there's always camping! This site provides a list of free campsites in the U.S.
Here's a sample review for a site in Utah:
Dispersed, free camping near Losee Canyon in the Dixie National Forest of Utah. A vault toilet and a seasonal corral area available at the Losee Canyon trail head about 700 feet away. The area's must see trail, Arches Trail, is also at the trail head. Flies can be a bit of an annoyance as there is also a giant pile of manure at the trail head.There are 3-6 camping areas nestled in the tree line along a secondary dirt road. Getting past two trees right at the beginning of the left turn off may be a issue for larger RVs. As we are less than 30' it is hard for me to judge.
There is also a camping area on the main grade.
I am not a camper, but this seems like a very useful site to me. It also gives me an excuse to post a link to some nice photographs of southern Utah.
What are your strategies for keeping travel costs down?
To wrap things up, courtesy of Sister Y-not, here's a Judgmental Map of Baltimore (go to the link to embiggen):

She reports that it's pretty accurate. (She'd know. She's a probation officer! lol)
There are maps for some other cities at the link. (I need to get off my duff and do one for Salt Lake City sometime.)
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Posted by: Sandra Fluke at May 03, 2014 02:14 PM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at May 03, 2014 06:14 PM (zDsvJ)
And every other night of the week.
Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 02:15 PM (MpP9p)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 03, 2014 02:22 PM (+0txR)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Infused with Leftist Logic at May 03, 2014 02:22 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 03, 2014 02:23 PM (L+hnr)
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at May 03, 2014 02:24 PM (b6koZ)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 03, 2014 02:24 PM (+0txR)
I've also learned that the lower-budget places will give you free internet. The higher-budget places? You'll pay for it unless you've earned status.
Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 02:25 PM (MpP9p)
Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 02:26 PM (zDsvJ)
One thing we did in NYC, is stay at a place that had breakfast included.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 03, 2014 06:24 PM (+0txR)
I did the same in London. Worked well.
Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 02:26 PM (MpP9p)
Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 02:28 PM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 02:29 PM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 06:28 PM (zDsvJ)
Another good strategy is to bring protein bars or breakfast bars.
Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 02:31 PM (MpP9p)
Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 02:31 PM (zDsvJ)
10 6 Speaking of travel. Yankeefifth on the ONT was talking of a Great Moron Convergence in Vegas at the Rio for 18-20 July this year.
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Should be hotter than hell then. I was there in August one year -- almost died.
Of course, it's cool in the bars...
Kaboomapalooza has legs? I thought it was a myth? And it REALLY should be at Circus Circus...
Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at May 03, 2014 02:34 PM (X3xYu)
Posted by: The Farmer at May 03, 2014 02:38 PM (eBupg)
Posted by: logprof at May 03, 2014 02:40 PM (GW/jL)
Posted by: logprof at May 03, 2014 02:44 PM (GW/jL)
But I need to use JAN in Jackson. Memphis and New Orleans are both three plus hour drives away. And to further jack up prices, Southwest is stopping their JAN to LAS flight on June 7th.
So cheapest package I found was with Circus Circus for hotel and flight for $717 + all the taxes.
So Las Vegas pretty much got blown right out of my budget.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 03, 2014 02:47 PM (L+hnr)
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Posted by: mallfly at May 03, 2014 03:02 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at May 03, 2014 06:57 PM (rAeZm)
bwahahahaha!!!
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Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 03:08 PM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: mallfly at May 03, 2014 07:05 PM (bJm7W)
Oriole Park at Camden Yards is a beautiful ballpark. I was able to attend Cal Ripken's last game. The owner is a die-hard Dem, though. That being said, if you are a ballpark aficionado you should visit and buy your soda and hot dog outside.
Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 03:08 PM (MpP9p)
Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 03:10 PM (MpP9p)
Posted by: Jean at May 03, 2014 03:11 PM (Aqvh6)
Posted by: Jean at May 03, 2014 07:11 PM (Aqvh6)
If you're a Bank of America customer, they have a lot of banking partners who will waive that fee. I know of Barclays and ScotiaBank (Canada).
Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 03:13 PM (MpP9p)
Posted by: Goldilocks at May 03, 2014 03:15 PM (nM1oG)
Posted by: logprof at May 03, 2014 03:16 PM (GW/jL)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Infused with Leftist Logic at May 03, 2014 03:20 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Soothie § at May 03, 2014 03:22 PM (n/TBE)
Posted by: logprof at May 03, 2014 03:25 PM (GW/jL)
Posted by: The Instant Hat (just add water) at May 03, 2014 03:25 PM (K1sEu)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Infused with Leftist Logic at May 03, 2014 07:20 PM (jucos)
At Nats Park I get the cheapest ticket possible and stand at the Red Porch (bar with standing room in the outfield) for as long as I want and then wander.
Once the MARC quit doing the "train to Camden Yards, bus back to DC" deal I stopped going to Orioles games.
Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 03:26 PM (MpP9p)
37 I also recommend the Albuquerque Isotopes' ballpark for a great AAA experience."
-Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 07:08 PM (MpP9p)
The Double-A and even Single-A experience has been enhanced by "Localization" of Minor League Clubs. Good teams localize their talent.
The Taxation, however, makes me think of the Broken Windows Theory. There is always a "Sin Tax" to re-distribute wealth to those who can never "earn it".
Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 03:26 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: RovingCopyEditor at May 03, 2014 03:28 PM (cbmm3)
The Taxation, however, makes me think of the Broken Windows Theory. There is always a "Sin Tax" to re-distribute wealth to those who can never "earn it".
Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 07:26 PM (lq3Ak)
The Isotopes embrace The Simpsons (foul ball = D'oh!). And their concessions face inward, so you can watch the game while standing in line.
Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 03:29 PM (MpP9p)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 03, 2014 03:31 PM (HDwDg)
Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 03:33 PM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Robert Plant Watching NHL Playoffs at May 03, 2014 03:34 PM (GW/jL)
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Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 03, 2014 03:39 PM (HDwDg)
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Posted by: museisluse at May 03, 2014 03:43 PM (ngu15)
Posted by: Anaheim Mighty Ducks at May 03, 2014 03:44 PM (GW/jL)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 03, 2014 03:45 PM (L+hnr)
I have a cow-orker who books the hotel and flights months in advance, and then the car two days before the flight. She thinks that's the sweet spot--they're getting anxious about unbooked inventory but it's not so close she can't hang up if they won't give her a deal.
I don't know; every time I fly I get picked up on the other end by my own private driver. But I guess not everyone is cute enough for that to work.
Posted by: HR at May 03, 2014 03:49 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Anaheim Mighty Ducks at May 03, 2014 07:44 PM (GW/jL)
My guess (for logprof): Someone who bought in that area of Baltimore when it was hip and prices were high because it it close enough to the O's, the Ravens, Inner Harbor, and the MARC Camden Line to DC. However, that person is screwed right now if he/she tried to sell.
Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 03:49 PM (MpP9p)
Posted by: Y-not at May 03, 2014 03:50 PM (zDsvJ)
Beat me to it.
Also: Vegas has the biggest and slickest convention & visitors bureau you will find anywhere. I've had people tell me they can't afford a Vegas jaunt and I've pointed them there, and they have come back all smiles.
The only time the bureau hasn't been able to come back with amazing travel deal recommendations in my experience has been during the mega trade shows when the entire city books solid.
I'm not really a Vegas type, but that city are well aware that their prosperity hinges on getting people there, and they stretch to make that happen.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 03, 2014 03:52 PM (noWW6)
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-Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 07:29 PM (MpP9p)
Yes, Ma'am. I'm a fan of the Iron Pigs, the Mudhens and a few others that aren't within my immediate driving-distance, but are imaginative teams, logos, etc.
I'm a baseball junkie.
I cannot, however, embrace the FACT that the Major League teams are allowed tax abatements plus admissions, concessions, parking, Stadium Improvements, etc.
The deal never works out fiscally for the Municipality in which it is established.
The City and County always lose money. Even Municipalities with the most well-run teams, (St. Louis, New York, Atlanta, etc.), will lose money because they are "Held Hostage" to stadium, parking lot and street improvements.
The team will move. Ask Atlanta.
-ask Baltimore.
-ask Cleveland.
Sports franchises have the ultimate, "You'd do worse without me!", Hangover, Withdrawl Syndrome of pulchritude.
Of Course you'll lose municipal revenue. Have you "figured-in" the cost of "Paying This Team To Exist?"
-They do.
They rely on your emotional "pride". Someone else will give them larger "breaks" to have that emotional buoyancy. Their city seems to "Depend on it".
Within the "Non-Profit", Home Owners' Association of Franchised, Anti-Trust Exempt Legality, lies a "Pride".
They rely on your pride, so as to get funds that were not theirs to begin with.
It always goes beyond the Voted-Upon "Sin-Tax".
...Always.
Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 04:02 PM (lq3Ak)
And it did this completely passively by simply flying at at an unusually high altitude, which freaked out FAA's systems.
Imagine the havoc that an actively malicious aircraft, or a bunch of them at once, could potentially produce.
I have read accounts of the B-58 Hustler during the height of the Cold War.
Wherein crews who were training Stateside in ready-to-go fully milspec combat-coded B-58s had their electronic warfare officer accidentally hit the wrong switch in flight, go active on the formidable electronic countermeasures, and take down radars across a thousand-mile swathe of the country at once.
Posted by: torquewrench at May 03, 2014 04:05 PM (noWW6)
Nationals Stadium relied upon DC taypayers and imminent domain that cleared out gentlemen's stripclubs (they were promised other locations in DC that have not materialized yet) and housing projects. The area is booming with residential, hotel, and retail. And the Department of Transportation built a new HQ there. RFK, which housed them until they moved, is now only home to DC United until they can get a better location.
Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 04:10 PM (MpP9p)
Government always makes deals that the bottom-line cannot accomplish.
Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 04:12 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 08:12 PM (lq3Ak)
Yup.
Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 04:13 PM (MpP9p)
Posted by: Vendette at May 03, 2014 04:15 PM (MpP9p)
...for the moment.
The Broken Windows Theory still applies.
...as does the "law of diminishing returns".
And when the Franchises fall upon "Hard Times"?
...where does the "Free Agent Money" come from?
A: "We only need a 2% increase on whatever mot of you don't eat/drink/smoke/whatever".
I know! We'll tax Tanning Salons!
Posted by: Slapweasel at May 03, 2014 04:31 PM (lq3Ak)
They have a very interesting system where some nights one might sleep on the bus in specially modified bunks, while the bus is in transit, some nights are camping, and some nights are in a hostel. The cooking duties are rotated among the travelers, supervised by the driver/guide of course. It is not luxurious, but not uncomfortable either. You also get the advantage of making some reall unique friends. Have fun!
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