January 21, 2014
— Ace I am always on about this: The Democrats' attempt to portray themselves as Just Like You, while portraying the Republicans as Not Like You.
Well, I don't mind that. Because the Republicans are meanwhile attempting to portray themselves as Just Like You, while the Democrats are Not Like You.
The problem is the media. The media has its own take here. The media's take is that the Democrats are right, they are Just Like You, and the Republicans are Not Like You.
This is why every progressive protest is portrayed by the media as made up of "common, ordinary Americans" -- the now-ritual listing of "teachers, welders, Post Office mailmen, factory workers, and even grandmothers;" the media writers consciously and deliberately attempt to cast every progressive rally as drawing from all segments of society, so that every reader can see a little of himself in one of the descriptors -- while conservative protests and rallies are described as being made up of as narrow a caste as is possible ("rich, white, older, Christian Conservative" -- what, no "grandmothers" in there?), sprinkled liberally with human exotica ("and several protesters carried misspelled signs calling for the end of the Federal reserve") that readers can despise and thereby feel superior to.
Well, kids, we get to play the game too. And while feminists might support Wendy Davis' decision to leave her kid with her father while she pursued her own personal goals, this will make her appear Not Like You to many women, who tend to view children as one's highest calling, rather than second or third or fourth highest as Wendy Davis does.
More: As someone who's pro-choice myself, noting this fact is uncomfortable for me, but it is nevertheless a fact: Since Roe v. Wade, 55 million fetuses (or babies) have been aborted.
40 years ago today, seven men on the Supreme Court decided in favor of a case presented to them from a 27 year-old, unknown, post-abortive lawyer, Sarah Weddington. That case was Roe v. Wade and, along with its companion Doe v. Bolton, it legalized abortion in all 9 months of pregnancy, for any reason, in the United States.Today, this 27 year-old is writing to you as a survivor of that decision. The undeniable fact is that nearly a third of my generation is missing. We are missing brothers, sisters, cousins, friends, husbands and wives.
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Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 10:14 AM (LSDdO)
Yeah, she IS good looking. No sense denying it.
Posted by: pep at January 21, 2014 10:15 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 21, 2014 10:15 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 21, 2014 10:15 AM (vHRtU)
Posted by: Kensington at January 21, 2014 10:15 AM (Z7toi)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2014 10:16 AM (CRyse)
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at January 21, 2014 10:16 AM (XrGnJ)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 21, 2014 10:16 AM (bCEmE)
You forgot the "mothers pushing strollers" that manage to attend every lefty protest. Every lefty cause has mothers pushing strollers
Just Like You
Posted by: kbdabear at January 21, 2014 10:16 AM (aTXUx)
That stuff about a woman supporting a man until he finished his education, usually med school, and then getting dumped, is a constant among the aggrieved female class. I can't wait to hear them condemn Wendy Davis for the same thing.
Posted by: pep at January 21, 2014 10:16 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 21, 2014 10:16 AM (f6ZLT)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 21, 2014 10:17 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: mugiwara at January 21, 2014 10:17 AM (W7ffl)
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at January 21, 2014 10:17 AM (yE8uc)
Posted by: Jean at January 21, 2014 10:17 AM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Orlandocon ette at January 21, 2014 10:17 AM (SldZ2)
Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 10:17 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Wendi Davis at January 21, 2014 10:17 AM (0cMkb)
And as one commentor posted earlier, it would be nice to see if she paid child support (or if the asshole family court even ordered it).
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 21, 2014 10:17 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 21, 2014 10:18 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 37 days until spring training at January 21, 2014 10:18 AM (u8GsB)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 21, 2014 10:18 AM (pFqpP)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2014 10:18 AM (CRyse)
Posted by: jwest at January 21, 2014 10:18 AM (u2a4R)
Yes and yes.
Posted by: pep at January 21, 2014 10:19 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 21, 2014 10:19 AM (BAEzE)
They choose them based on how well they fit the party's ideal and how well that resonates with the types of people they believe will vote for that ideal.
Too much the GOP has started to do that and as they have, we have started to lose elections and the opinions of the public because most folks drawn to the GOP dislike phoniness and can spot it a mile away.
We don't concentrate solely on their speeches we judge them by what they've done compared to what they said they did.
This would usually provide an accurate assessment of whether they will do what they say they will if they are elected.
Democrats don't care about that. They just like the story.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 10:19 AM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 21, 2014 10:19 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 21, 2014 10:19 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Bigby's Semaphore Hands at January 21, 2014 10:19 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: not the mama at January 21, 2014 10:20 AM (5dxeo)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 10:20 AM (aDwsi)
How bad a Mom do you have to be that the husband gets full custody during the divorce? Even if she wanted it that way, I can't believe that the court didn't pressure her to take/share custody.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 21, 2014 10:20 AM (TIIx5)
Posted by: Mega at January 21, 2014 10:21 AM (hHFOx)
Posted by: Aviator at January 21, 2014 10:21 AM (jSUU1)
Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 10:21 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Mega at January 21, 2014 10:23 AM (hHFOx)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2014 10:23 AM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 21, 2014 10:23 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at January 21, 2014 10:23 AM (E8IHS)
There were probably pics of her doing barnyard animals or something else really off-putting. It had to be pretty bad whatever it was.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 21, 2014 10:23 AM (zxsxA)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 21, 2014 10:23 AM (6bMel)
Why?
How about not attaching your personal achievements to a cause?
Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 10:23 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at January 21, 2014 10:23 AM (E8IHS)
Posted by: CoderInCrisis
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...and the scattered garbage they leave in their wake.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 02:20 PM (aDwsi)
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At their "Save the Earth" rallies. That slays me.
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 21, 2014 10:23 AM (BAEzE)
Posted by: Ron Jeremy at January 21, 2014 10:23 AM (vHRtU)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 21, 2014 10:24 AM (zOTsN)
It's almost like I don't know any of you anymore...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at January 21, 2014 02:23 PM (0HooB)
Not with your dick.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 21, 2014 10:24 AM (DrWcr)
I'm not going to predict whether this slut will become governor. I think TX is on a downhill slide. Maybe not this gubnatorial election, but the next.
Sorry, TX. But you've let this happen by yourselves.
Posted by: Soona at January 21, 2014 10:24 AM (lp37X)
A group of teachers, welders, Post Office mailmen, factory workers, and grandmothers walk into a bar.
The bartender says, " Sorry, no protesting allowed in here."
Posted by: polynikes at January 21, 2014 10:24 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Orlandocon ette at January 21, 2014 10:24 AM (SldZ2)
>>>I can't believe that the court didn't pressure her to take/share custody.
Ya know, I've seen, real life, one case of a woman walking away from the baby. The 'mom' finally showed up after 16 years of endless pain - to the kid's funeral when he was hit by a car. My cousin had to be restrained from attacking that c*nt.
Posted by: Bigby's Semaphore Hands at January 21, 2014 10:24 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2014 10:24 AM (CRyse)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 21, 2014 10:24 AM (zxsxA)
How bad a Mom do you have to be that the husband gets full custody during the divorce? Even if she wanted it that way, I can't believe that the court didn't pressure her to take/share custody.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 21, 2014 02:20 PM (TIIx5)
I don't know how family courts in TX are but I know of one case here were a family court awarded custody of the children to a confirmed drug user who tried to murder her husband.
If the TX courts are similar to SC then she has to be a pretty bad scrunt.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 21, 2014 10:25 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: jwest at January 21, 2014 10:25 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 21, 2014 10:25 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 21, 2014 10:25 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 37 days until spring training at January 21, 2014 10:25 AM (u8GsB)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 21, 2014 10:25 AM (XO6WW)
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 21, 2014 10:25 AM (YYJjz)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 21, 2014 10:25 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at January 21, 2014 10:25 AM (Ntvir)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at January 21, 2014 10:25 AM (tcK++)
Yeah, she IS good looking. No sense denying it.
Posted by: pep at January 21, 2014 02:15 PM (6TB1Z)
^^This^^ Her relative attractiveness makes her very dangerous. Most powerful Liberal Woman are about as attractive as Genghis Khan, without his gentle side or good manners.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at January 21, 2014 10:25 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Weirddave at January 21, 2014 10:26 AM (N/cFh)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 21, 2014 10:26 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: stace at January 21, 2014 10:26 AM (9PXzx)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at January 21, 2014 10:26 AM (E8IHS)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 21, 2014 10:26 AM (6bMel)
Dems follow the guiding principle: "If you can fake sincerity, you can succeed as a politician!"
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 21, 2014 10:26 AM (o3MSL)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 21, 2014 10:26 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 21, 2014 10:27 AM (vHRtU)
Pretty much a Hillary clone
Still think she's good looking. To each their own. And Hillary in her youth wasn't half bad.
Posted by: pep at January 21, 2014 10:27 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Ma Bell at January 21, 2014 10:27 AM (RLdcX)
It's damn rare for even a biological father to end up with sole custody. For a stepfather to be awarded sole custody, something awfully hinky had to be going on with Saint Wendy of the Pink Sneakers.
Wondering if there is something to these drug allegations.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 21, 2014 10:27 AM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Jean at January 21, 2014 10:27 AM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 21, 2014 10:27 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: jwest at January 21, 2014 10:27 AM (u2a4R)
Hey, that sort of thing can happen to anyone. Cut her some slack.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 21, 2014 10:27 AM (zxsxA)
>>>So, what you're saying, is that she's like John Kerry, but with abandoned children? Right?
Yep. Threw 'em over the fence.
Posted by: Bigby's Semaphore Hands at January 21, 2014 10:28 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2014 10:28 AM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2014 10:28 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at January 21, 2014 10:28 AM (E8IHS)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 37 days until spring training at January 21, 2014 10:29 AM (u8GsB)
Posted by: stace at January 21, 2014 10:29 AM (9PXzx)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 21, 2014 10:29 AM (vHRtU)
Posted by: brak at January 21, 2014 10:29 AM (iEoiA)
Posted by: Wendy at January 21, 2014 10:29 AM (jSUU1)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 21, 2014 10:29 AM (bCEmE)
Just as I thought. She pretends she supports the 2ndA.
Well, she's at least shrewd enough to be on the right side of guns in TX.
Does she have a shot at winning in TX? Yes.
All she needs to win is one minor derogatory remark by Abbott.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 10:29 AM (gYIst)
Gotta be more than just drugs. $5 crack whores and smack addicts get to keep the kids a lot of the time.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 21, 2014 10:29 AM (zxsxA)
Ugh
Posted by: Thunderb at January 21, 2014 02:28 PM (zOTsN)
Is she celebrating the 55 million dead babies since Roe v. Wade?
Posted by: Insomniac at January 21, 2014 10:29 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 21, 2014 10:30 AM (r+7wo)
I tried to, but armed guards at the gate make that difficult.
Posted by: pep at January 21, 2014 10:31 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 10:31 AM (aDwsi)
However, with all that said, reportedly, Wendy freely gave up both children because she did not want them--she wanted politics.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at January 21, 2014 10:31 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 21, 2014 10:31 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: nip at January 21, 2014 10:32 AM (jI23+)
The older daughter was a adult at the time of the second divorce.
Posted by: huerfano at January 21, 2014 10:32 AM (bAGA/)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 21, 2014 10:32 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 21, 2014 10:33 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 21, 2014 10:33 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 10:33 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 21, 2014 10:33 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 21, 2014 10:34 AM (zOTsN)
It gets said around here a lot, that one of the things that differentiates many politicians from the rest of us is their Ivy League educations.
If... and that's a big if, the Republican Party really wanted to set itself apart from the left, it could start emphasizing and recruiting candidates from the non-Ivy Leagues.
What many of us have done, is continue our educations after we were no longer dependent on parents, and we scraped our ways through state schools, and/or local colleges and universities PRECISELY because it would make absolutely no sense to us to leave our families behind while we pursued our other goals in life.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2014 10:34 AM (TOk1P)
Unfortunately, seeing off Abortion Barbie just means that one of the Castros will be up in her place next cycle.
And in a neo-balkanized America where who people vote for is increasingly just a simple question of what their ethnicity is, the Castros will be strong contenders as Texas continues to turn into Mexico Del Norte.
If you want a glimpse of the future, look no further than the law one of the Castros tried to promulgate in San Antonio, which proposed to actually bar "anti-gay" individuals from standing for city offices!
("Civility." "Tolerance." "Inclusion." Fen's Law.)
Posted by: torquewrench at January 21, 2014 10:35 AM (gqT4g)
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 21, 2014 10:35 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 21, 2014 10:35 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 10:35 AM (ZPrif)
I think we can all agree that Republicans are very very out-of-touch with the American people, though, right?
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 10:36 AM (gYIst)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 10:36 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 21, 2014 10:36 AM (vHRtU)
Posted by: Aviator at January 21, 2014 10:36 AM (jSUU1)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 21, 2014 10:36 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2014 02:34 PM (TOk1P)
Didn't help Harriet Miers.
Posted by: polynikes at January 21, 2014 10:37 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 10:37 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 10:37 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 21, 2014 10:38 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: stace at January 21, 2014 10:38 AM (9PXzx)
I sidebar'd the healthcare.gov easily hackable story a couple of days ago.
Posted by: Purp at January 21, 2014 02:24 PM (zxsxA)
my bad. I think it deserves it's own post. It's bad bad bad.
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at January 21, 2014 02:26 PM (E8IHS)
Is this this thing where they made it worse?
As in, I could probably hack it with my l33t haxxur skillz.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 21, 2014 02:35 PM (VtjlW)
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Yes, that. The whole Obamacare roll-out has been a farce from beginning to end. Who knew the website's security could even get worse?
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 21, 2014 10:38 AM (BAEzE)
I'm guessing he's a liberal Democrat also (can't find a record of his party affiliation because Media hiding).
He's not so good looking himself (anymore at least no pic of younger) of course he's 13 years older.
He had an agenda when he took on Wendy. I'm guessing he knew he was Daddy Wallet for her 1st kid and cause she was Hawt and he was Nawt, he got his sex on the old fashioned way; he paid for it.
He could afford it and Wendy took advantage.
Jeff might've expected it to last a bit longer. (like he was grooming her for the Law Practice) He seems generally at peace with what she did and is only concerned about the REAL Wendy being seen by her daughters. Which may or may not have it's affect on them.
Still, she's a mendacious baby murderer and shouldn't get any slack because she had a tough life at one time. (made that way mostly by her poor decisions and lack of control. All stuff that bears upon electing her to be a Governor.)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 10:38 AM (LSDdO)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 21, 2014 10:39 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 21, 2014 02:33 PM (r+7wo)
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In before Moo Moo informs us that abandoning children is the American way of doing business.
Posted by: Soona at January 21, 2014 10:39 AM (lp37X)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 10:39 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 21, 2014 10:39 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 21, 2014 10:39 AM (bCEmE)
Lena Dunham, Jane Fonda, Sarah Silverman.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 02:35 PM (ZPrif)
I think they left off a word or more from the end of the title. Women who make America what? Puke? Turn their TVs off? Lose their erections?
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at January 21, 2014 10:39 AM (XrGnJ)
He cashed in his 401(k) to pay for HLS for her. Check--he is a rapey PIV human who should have to pay for her giant brain to go soak up culture in return for all the PIV rape.
She surrendered her kids to him. Check--who says it's the Mother's job to raise the kids, let the Dad do it for a change.
et cetera, et cetera
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Wendy may be the next Barack. An attractive person with a degree from HLS and a WOMYN.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at January 21, 2014 10:39 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 10:39 AM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Weirddave at January 21, 2014 10:40 AM (N/cFh)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 10:40 AM (ZPrif)
>>>>NEW OBAMACARE FACEBOOK PHOTO IGNITES MOCKERY over at Breitbart.com.
We do know that the Admin isn't 'advertising' anything, but instead goading opponents, right?
Posted by: Bigby's Semaphore Hands at January 21, 2014 10:40 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 21, 2014 10:41 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: stace at January 21, 2014 10:42 AM (9PXzx)
Dear God. Did she really say that?
Posted by: pep at January 21, 2014 10:42 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 21, 2014 10:42 AM (6bMel)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2014 10:43 AM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 21, 2014 10:43 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 10:44 AM (hFL/3)
Lena Dunham, Jane Fonda, Sarah Silverman. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 02:35 PM (ZPrif)
No wonder America is so screwed up.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 21, 2014 10:44 AM (m2Izr)
Posted by: Jean at January 21, 2014 10:44 AM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 21, 2014 10:44 AM (zOTsN)
It's code. It is a short leap from Moms with strollers to communist revolutions. Ask Sergei Eisenstein.
Posted by: pep at January 21, 2014 10:45 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2014 10:45 AM (nzKvP)
Anybody can go to Babies R Us or wherever and get a stroller and put a wrapped up doll in it. Who is going to check? Most Mothers correctly get upset when a stranger looms over their stroller to look at the baby. Add a diaper bag and you are good to go.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at January 21, 2014 10:45 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 21, 2014 10:45 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 10:45 AM (aDwsi)
We focus too much on the Messenger. We ought to be paying attention to the people receiving the message and why. Maybe we'd learn a thing or two.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 10:45 AM (gYIst)
Posted by: Hillary at January 21, 2014 10:45 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Al Sharpton at January 21, 2014 10:45 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 21, 2014 10:45 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 21, 2014 10:46 AM (GjPnA)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2014 10:46 AM (CRyse)
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 21, 2014 10:46 AM (SUKHu)
That would NEVER happen at my workplace.
Posted by: pep at January 21, 2014 10:46 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 21, 2014 10:47 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 10:47 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 21, 2014 10:48 AM (6bMel)
Posted by: Al Sharpton at January 21, 2014 10:48 AM (aTXUx)
You could put a devil baby in there!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 21, 2014 10:48 AM (m2Izr)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 21, 2014 10:48 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 21, 2014 10:48 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 21, 2014 10:49 AM (6bMel)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 21, 2014 10:49 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 10:50 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 10:50 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at January 21, 2014 02:45 PM (kXoT0)
Obligatory you-tubage.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 21, 2014 10:50 AM (pFqpP)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 21, 2014 10:50 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: DangerGirl Telecommunications at January 21, 2014 10:50 AM (bxpf3)
Wait, choices have...consequences??
And these consequences reflect on our humanity??
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 10:51 AM (gYIst)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 10:51 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 21, 2014 10:51 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2014 10:51 AM (nzKvP)
Posted by: kbdabear at January 21, 2014 10:51 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at January 21, 2014 02:17 PM (yE8uc)
Nothing says trash like that does. I'm honestly surprised the donks haven't dropped her and just let the Repub run unopposed. I would hate to be associated with her at all; but I'm not a donk.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 21, 2014 10:51 AM (qr6PR)
This is the woman who got repeatedly blown out of the water in the courts, all the way up through the intermediate appellate levels up to the TX SCOTUS, on her lawsuit against a newspaper that she claimed had Said Mean Things About Her And Gave Her A Sad.
So, not exactly a legal supergenius, no.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 21, 2014 10:51 AM (gqT4g)
Posted by: stace at January 21, 2014 10:51 AM (9PXzx)
Posted by: Soona at January 21, 2014 10:51 AM (lp37X)
Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 10:52 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Hillary at January 21, 2014 10:52 AM (MMC8r)
Plus it's snowing up here.
Grrr.
Posted by: The Lost Dutchman at January 21, 2014 10:52 AM (9F2c1)
What a despicable little bitch she is.....
Posted by: Vortex Lovera at January 21, 2014 10:52 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 10:52 AM (ZPrif)
No, Wendy Davis is not like me, or most other humans. Wendy Davis is a careerist politician that will sacrifice everything for her ambition. I am not like that and most people are not like that. In fact I think people like that are more than a little unbalanced and in the workplace are usually despised as being carrerist jerks.
But that's the modern feminist movement. The way for women to be liberated is find the worst traits in human beings and emphasize those traits to the exclusion of all others.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Many Styles of Ragetwitch Floor Mats to Choose From! at January 21, 2014 10:53 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: B.H. Obama at January 21, 2014 10:53 AM (MMC8r)
Morans:
A dangerous trend is developing in conservative/libertarian thought. And that is that the government has no place in morality.
Really? I love anal (giving of course, haha), oral and s&m as much the next redblooded American.
But if government has no place in morality, then how are decency laws enforced - i.e., no cussing on broadcast TV/radio? How can it be a crime to walk around naked? How can bestiality be a crime? How can it be a crime to have sex in public?
And this is calling for a rational argument. The response that "of course that's crazy, we would never allow for such a thing" IS NOT A FUCKING RESPONSE.
But quite seriously, I have been reading much on Russian history and politics of the 19th century. We go down a dangerous path when we lose our moring and march under the banner that government cannot enforce morality in any way, nor has the right to.
Posted by: prescient11 at January 21, 2014 10:53 AM (tVTLU)
The Media is the only voice that matters now.
If the Media can get the worst president of all time re-elected, electing Wendy Davis shouldn't present any problem at all.
Posted by: Null at January 21, 2014 10:53 AM (xjpRj)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 21, 2014 10:53 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2014 10:54 AM (3mMDl)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 10:54 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2014 10:54 AM (nzKvP)
Ahem.
Posted by: B.H. Obama at January 21, 2014 02:53 PM (MMC8r)
Credentialed =/= educated.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 21, 2014 10:54 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 10:54 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: torquewrench at January 21, 2014 10:54 AM (gqT4g)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 21, 2014 10:55 AM (P7Wsr)
They don't want to hear bad news
They don't want the stuff they're getting to be taken away
They feel they're owed some of what they're getting
And they see other people getting stuff too
They don't want to be told they're doing things wrong
They don't want to work if they don't have to
They will work if they get enough for doing so
They don't care about you or the country
They think what they're told on the news is always the truth
They don't want to hear about stuff overseas
And that's only a partial list.
Keep in mind that many so called moderates and even conservatives will actually feel the same way depending on the focus.
It's a human condition some of those things. It takes work and energy to do otherwise.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 10:55 AM (LSDdO)
Or better yet, that there is no objective morality.
When we come to that, we arrive at pure egoism. What I want is all that counts. Nothing else matters. There is no beauty. No art. No theater.
There are the only things I like and dislike. Only necessities are necessary.
Posted by: prescient11 at January 21, 2014 10:55 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Black Orchid at January 21, 2014 10:55 AM (EZNxq)
Posted by: AngelEm at January 21, 2014 10:55 AM (bo1ZH)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 21, 2014 10:55 AM (GaqMa)
Wendy Davis is not like you. Okay.
But is Wendy Davis like the women on, say, HOW I BANGED YOUR MOTHER on CBS, which is who you'd Like To Be?
Yes, she is. And that's why her bullshit resonates with Dumb People.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 10:56 AM (gYIst)
Posted by: Black Orchid at January 21, 2014 10:56 AM (EZNxq)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at January 21, 2014 10:56 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: Black Orchid at January 21, 2014 10:57 AM (EZNxq)
Posted by: Black Orchid at January 21, 2014 02:55 PM (EZNxq)
Er, lest we forget, munch as in muff.
Yours truly, Harvard's Lesbian Alliance
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at January 21, 2014 10:57 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: --- at January 21, 2014 10:57 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 21, 2014 10:57 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 21, 2014 10:58 AM (RJMhd)
Freedom!
Posted by: Fiscon Warrior Smoking Weed[/i] [/b] at January 21, 2014 10:59 AM (5ikDv)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 21, 2014 10:59 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 21, 2014 11:00 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Progtard at January 21, 2014 11:00 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 21, 2014 11:00 AM (GaqMa)
Yup.
1-in-4 chance God really didn't make me a completely unlovable piece of shit, but instead He made someone who would love me and that man got choiced.
Posted by: HR at January 21, 2014 11:00 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 11:01 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2014 11:01 AM (7kkQJ)
Our election process is such a joke these days and so precarious that all it will take for WDavis to win is just one tweet (probably a confederate's account) calling Wendy Davis a "bitch."
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 11:01 AM (gYIst)
>>>>>Almost every country on the planet has stricter abortion laws than we do because most humans recognize how fucked up and evil it is to murder a pre-mature baby a few weeks before delivery.
People from around the world come to the USA for their health care
/sarc
Posted by: Bigby's Semaphore Hands at January 21, 2014 11:01 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 21, 2014 11:02 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 21, 2014 11:02 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 21, 2014 11:02 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Brother Cavil wants out at January 21, 2014 11:02 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 11:03 AM (ZPrif)
If Corbett hadn't been a brain dead Republican robot, he might have made a better Governor and she might not have had a chance.
Corbett was one of those "the people on Unemployment Insurance aren't looking for jobs so we need to get them off Unemployment Insurance") of course not being able to find nonexistent jobs didn't seem to bother him.
He also made deals with the Unions and cut education and some medical assistance programs for the poor (the truly poor and not the statistical poor) cause you know the poor don't donate to campaigns and stuff.
I for one won't be voting for his arrogant dumb ass.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 11:03 AM (LSDdO)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 21, 2014 11:03 AM (GaqMa)
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Well, Wendy definitely puts them in the top ten, anyway.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 21, 2014 11:03 AM (XUKZU)
And the first kid isn't even the second husband's biological child and he still got custody with her not contesting it.
Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 21, 2014 11:03 AM (vuh7l)
Posted by: Brother Cavil wants out at January 21, 2014 11:04 AM (naUcP)
How many pro-choice people does it take to change a light bulb?
Three. One to make sure it is safe. One to make sure it is legal and one to make sure it is rare. The changing that is. The light bulb is just a blob of glass and of no concern
Posted by: polynikes at January 21, 2014 11:04 AM (m2CN7)
I've never quite understood how both sides seem to believe women can't cross state lines.
Posted by: HR at January 21, 2014 11:04 AM (ZKzrr)
fetuses (or babies)
Babies. Human babies were not born. They were murdered in the womb.
Fetuses, my ass.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 11:04 AM (gYIst)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 21, 2014 11:05 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 21, 2014 11:05 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 21, 2014 11:06 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Brother Cavil wants out at January 21, 2014 11:06 AM (naUcP)
She is going to get her ass handed to her in Texas. It was the Dallas Morning News that dropped this what is turning out to be character assassination. It is becoming more conservative than its local peer, The Fort Worth Star-Telegram. Perhaps that's because Abortion Barbie represents Tarrant Co. and the Star-Telegram has a vested interest in protecting Davis, its Progressive star.
But whatever, a local media outlet actually did some critical reporting and far more than I ever would have predicted. This by itself is actually pretty devastating to Davis nevermind that it's Abbott she's up against, a well-received AG in Texas.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 21, 2014 11:06 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 11:06 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2014 11:06 AM (nzKvP)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 21, 2014 11:07 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 21, 2014 11:07 AM (zOTsN)
There are way too many people who are not uncomfortable with that fact, but instead point to it as a positive.
You think I'm kidding. I am not.
Posted by: physics geek at January 21, 2014 11:08 AM (MT22W)
I'm pro-life with the qualification that I don't think the state has the authority to force a victim of rape or incest into bringing the product of such an awful union to term. Morally, I don't want any child anywhere aborted, but I can't support an absolutist stance.
That said, people opposed to abortion have been and are being portrayed as extremists by the media and highly placed elected officials such as Cuomo of New York. This is a travesty. Currently, the Democratic Party supports (and advocates for) abortion up to and including the ninth-month moment of birth. Theirs is the extremist position, and Kermit Gosnell, that monster, is their poster child.
In his memoir, Ulysses Grant thought the American Civil War was Divine retribution for what he considered an unjust war with Mexico. If one can believe in such things, imagine then what Divine retribution for mass infanticide will be like.
Posted by: troyriser at January 21, 2014 11:08 AM (gNlvW)
Posted by: jwest at January 21, 2014 11:08 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: --- at January 21, 2014 11:08 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Bitchy Rich at January 21, 2014 11:08 AM (ihRMJ)
Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2014 11:08 AM (3mMDl)
A couple of those Sochi "Black Widow" terrorists are kind of hawt.
Posted by: Soona at January 21, 2014 11:09 AM (lp37X)
http://tinyurl.com/lwrua8c
Posted by: pep at January 21, 2014 11:09 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: drill_thrawl at January 21, 2014 11:09 AM (/2ciC)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 21, 2014 11:09 AM (zOTsN)
Tsrblke:
Yes, but the counter to that is that you have no right to criminalize my behavior simply because you don't like it. Those are simply your tastes. Even if a majority don't like it, there is nothing immoral nor unusual about what I am doing. We can do pretty much anything in public, except sexual acts. Why is that? Whose morals control here.
'Ette:
Yep, the global warming lunatics are quite the crowd. I have a model that shows that Obama will go full gay in two years. It's a model, so, you know, "science." Look at the hockey stick!!! haha
Posted by: prescient11 at January 21, 2014 11:09 AM (tVTLU)
Wendy Davis is a progressive champion who is going to finally tear down the red walls of that faux-cowboy state built on racist oppression of the poor brown people (Mexicans and Native Americans) who built it. Their swaggering gunslinger act has gotten old and tired, and must be done away with.
Texas is a citadel of RethugliKKKan votes, and in order to ensure the racist Republican Party never sees the White House again except on Faux News, Texas must be made blue like more progressive states have been.
After Nixon and Reagan, did you ever think California would be blue, Morons? No. Someday Texas will be blue, and after that no one will ever imagine a time it wasn't. All will be made correct.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at January 21, 2014 11:10 AM (+PoXK)
How many times in 2012 did I say we needed to resurrect the Misery Index and make sure we call it the obama misery index?
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 11:10 AM (gYIst)
A dangerous trend is developing in conservative/libertarian thought. And that is that the government has no place in morality.
Few would argue that the government / legal system has no role in enforcing morality at all.
The question is- what role should the government have in enforcing morality that doesn't directly or significantly affect others (victimless crimes)?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2014 11:11 AM (SY2Kh)
PLO negotiator Erekat says Palestinians would not agree to even a one-day extension, and that the PA leadership was opposed to any interim agreement; Erekat also denied secret talks are being held in Washington.
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Another brilliant Obama/Kerry foreign policy coup!
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 21, 2014 11:11 AM (XUKZU)
...and want to import more Third Worlders to keep Social Security solvent, because they can't seem to make the connection between the 15 million dead babies between 1973 and 1991 and the SS worker-beneficiary ratio.
Posted by: HR at January 21, 2014 11:12 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 21, 2014 11:12 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 21, 2014 11:12 AM (R8hU8)
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Yep. Before that, depending on the state, abortion was a "lesser of two evils", akin to "justifiable homicide, with "justification" being "life of the mother, rape, incest, etc.". No one was waving an American flag and taking pride in making it.
Roe made it "whateva, I do what I want", and morphed it into "contraception", which it is not. Another example of eliminating discrimination, and thus eliminating thought and distinction.
Posted by: Saltydonnie at January 21, 2014 11:13 AM (i6shs)
Posted by: pep at January 21, 2014 11:13 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: NeverEvermore at January 21, 2014 11:13 AM (hRV3r)
When Judgment Day comes, no one will be giggling. There will be a lot of terror, though.
The Lord of Hosts, flanked by every child ever murdered on the altar of self-worship, from modern abortions to murder-by-exposure, will be ready to judge these wicked men and women. There will be weeping, gnashing of teeth, and utterly unmitigated terror.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 21, 2014 11:14 AM (BAU0r)
*Bitter Clinger steps away from Hollowpoint*
(in case of richochets)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 11:14 AM (LSDdO)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 21, 2014 11:14 AM (P7Wsr)
The question is- what role should the government have in enforcing morality that doesn't directly or significantly affect others (victimless crimes)?
There are no victimless crimes. There are degrees of separation but all have eventual consequences. The question is what is the tolerance for those consequences.
Posted by: polynikes at January 21, 2014 11:14 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2014 11:14 AM (nzKvP)
The problem with the pro-abortion crowd is as follows, their position is completely illogical and contradictory.
A baby/fetus can inherit property from the moment of conception.
You can be charged with murder if you hurt or kill a pregnant woman thereby killing a fetus at pretty much the earliest points of conception, i.e., when the woman knows she's pregnant.
So is our guiding light/rationale then that a baby only has rights if the baby is "wanted" by its mother?
Personally, for me that is in line with the worst monsters of humanity. But to each his own I guess.
My only line of compromise would be those women impregnated against their will (rape, incest, life of the mother).
Ladies, if you choose to have sex, even though a pregnancy may be unwanted, inconvenient, life-changing, sorry, you don't get to kill that baby. Period. No fucking compromise on this essential point.
Posted by: prescient11 at January 21, 2014 11:14 AM (tVTLU)
I said they were natural rights, from God
She laughed. Everybody knows your rights are given to you by government
My how the world has changed
Posted by: Thunderb at January 21, 2014 03:07 PM (zOTsN)
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The world is as it has always been. America used to be unique in a world where the rights of the individual came from their "betters", to be granted or rescinded at their whim. By subverting our children the progressives have subverted us.
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 21, 2014 11:15 AM (KVuZM)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 11:15 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 21, 2014 03:11 PM (XUKZU)
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Don't worry. Be happy. We're the professionals. We know what we're doing. It's all part of the plan. *cough* It's all part of the plan.
Posted by: John F'n Kerry at January 21, 2014 11:15 AM (lp37X)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 21, 2014 11:16 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Meremortal at January 21, 2014 11:16 AM (1Y+hH)
How can any reasonable person call themselves pro-choice when the entire movement was an obvious scheme to damage the Church?
If you're okay with killing unborn babies, say so. Don't hide behind a euphemism created for a fraud.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 11:16 AM (gYIst)
Posted by: Yesiamapirate at January 21, 2014 11:16 AM (f9kXD)
Posted by: CPAC Scum Squeegee at January 21, 2014 11:17 AM (Cs2tJ)
Posted by: Jim Crow at January 21, 2014 11:17 AM (8Fa5Z)
Hollowpoint:
But you assume facts not in evidence. What crime has been committed? Why does moving from a bedroom to a ballpark make what I like to do a crime?
Under what authority can you impose your no sex in public morality on me?
Posted by: prescient11 at January 21, 2014 11:17 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 21, 2014 11:17 AM (CRyse)
261 -
I guess it depends on how you define the word "morality," but I would suggest the government is involved in the morality business all the time. It's just that now, morality means saving the ozone, drinking smaller sodas, being forced to pay for your neighbor's donuts and abortions, etc.
In fact, you could argue we have NEVER before lived in a time when this nation was more thoroughly trying to enforce morals on its people.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2014 11:17 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 21, 2014 11:17 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Meremortal at January 21, 2014 11:17 AM (1Y+hH)
I hope for consistency's sake ace that you are also pro-death penalty.
The Bill O'Reilly / Charles Krauthammer pro choice / anti death penalty aggravates me to no end.
Posted by: polynikes at January 21, 2014 11:18 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 21, 2014 11:18 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 11:19 AM (ZPrif)
A couple years the wrong way, I would be among them.
I can never forgive this judgement.
Posted by: Brother Cavil wants out at January 21, 2014 03:02 PM (naUcP)
Disclaimer: I am not Catholic. But, I do know that whenever Mother Teresa was asked if she prayed for a cure for Aids, she replied that she did and that the answer always received from God was, "I sent a cure. That baby was aborted."
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at January 21, 2014 11:19 AM (kXoT0)
and the problem?
Posted by: CPAC Scum Squeegee at January 21, 2014 11:19 AM (Cs2tJ)
As was said earlier on the blog this morning, Leftists fail to realize that when the last veneer of morality is stripped away from this land, it won't be a good thing for the collective Left.
It will be blood and thunder and sectarian violence that will make even battle-hardened men weep. Do not look forward, Leftists, to making the people of this land forget the Lord. You do not want that. You do not want that at all.
I've ranted about that to everyone who would listen for years now, but no one will listen. Even now, when people talk about the burning times, no one talks about justice... they talk about revenge. Instead of making things right, people speak in hushed whispers of getting back at others.
Pray. Now.
May God have mercy on this nation.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 21, 2014 11:20 AM (BAU0r)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 21, 2014 03:18 PM (zOTsN)
In China and India, you can add female. They do ultrasounds and if it's not a boy, they abort. Now after decades of this, the shortage of young women is becoming a real issue, particularly in China.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at January 21, 2014 11:20 AM (kXoT0)
As to the secondary argument going on in this thread, I'll repeat what I've always said about our political views of the country: Fiscal conservatism is impossible without some form of social conservatism. One can't exist withoout the other.
Posted by: Soona at January 21, 2014 11:22 AM (lp37X)
Posted by: Brother Cavil wants out at January 21, 2014 11:22 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at January 21, 2014 03:10 PM (+PoXK)
Your spelling and grammar proves you are not Mary C. Out, vile sock!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Many Styles of Ragetwitch Floor Mats to Choose From! at January 21, 2014 11:23 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Brother Cavil wants out at January 21, 2014 11:23 AM (naUcP)
It's unfortunate that a woman can be impregnated against her will but that has no bearing on whether that child has a right to life.
When you make that value decision in favor of allowing the mother to kill that child you are then arguing that under certain circumstances the murder is justifiable. After that, you're just arguing about when and where and why and not the true question which is whether it is moral or right to do such.
Thou shalt not kill.
(which I think was mistranslated and actually said "murder" which is malice aforethought)
Abortion is murder. Doesn't matter when, why or how.
To think otherwise is to begin debating about when, why or how it becomes legal. (remember I'm saying murder and not kill. There's a difference)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 11:23 AM (LSDdO)
Brother Cavil and BurtTC:
I mean on the more fundamental questions. There is not a country that is not founded with a common religious and cultural understanding at its core.
Every nation that has been founded simply on individual likes and dislikes with no OBJECTIVE morality, has ended in nightmares and millions upon millions of deaths.
Read the radicals in Europe and Russia. There is no crime. There is no art. It is simply what can I get away with. What I like.
Of course, this is a total lie. But we should be very very wary if we tread to far down this path that we do not subscribe to a common morality as a nation.
Posted by: prescient11 at January 21, 2014 11:24 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 21, 2014 03:12 PM (R8hU
Same here in Oklahoma to my disgust and shame.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at January 21, 2014 11:24 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2014 11:24 AM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: Meremortal at January 21, 2014 11:25 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2014 11:25 AM (7kkQJ)
Soona: That is a very very deep thought. Yes. There is no need to plan for the future when there is no future.
When all we are is better trained monkeys. And hence the radicals love of evolution.
It allows them to place man as God. In such a situation, any imaginable nightmare is possible.
Posted by: prescient11 at January 21, 2014 11:26 AM (tVTLU)
He was adopted by a couple who couldn't have children of their own. They are good people. Both are college educated, he attended Harvard undergrad then UM-Columbia for law school. They gave my friend and his adopted sisters a great upbringing.
My friend is 41 now. He is married with two daughters that he stays at home and takes care of. His wife is a lawyer. They have a nice life in the same small town that both of them grew up in.
In June, he and his family will be joining me to celebrate my own wedding. I can't help but wonder how many holes there are in my guest list, people I've never met that would have touched my life had they been allowed to exist?
Anyone that wants to tell me that abortion is a better solution to unplanned pregnancy situations than adoption can go fuck themselves.
Posted by: DanInMN at January 21, 2014 11:27 AM (XqeyF)
Posted by: model_1066 at January 21, 2014 11:28 AM (LIQGY)
Posted by: Brother Cavil wants out at January 21, 2014 11:28 AM (naUcP)
My prayer is different: Thy will be done.
Posted by: Brother Cavil wants out at January 21, 2014 03:23 PM (naUcP)
I go back and forth between Thy Will Be Done, Healing, and Total Annihilation, depending on the day.
One day, I'm praying desperately for healing for this nation of fools.
The next day, I'm grinding my teeth in anger, praying for the cleansing fire to come soon, pronto, that afternoon if at all possible.
I don't even know how I feel anymore, to be honest, caught between paralyzing grief and blinding rage.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 21, 2014 11:28 AM (BAU0r)
Posted by: ChicagoRay at January 21, 2014 11:30 AM (Xv7f/)
That's the excuse given by the Bloomberg Nanny State crowd, and I reject it.
Walking in the park has "eventual consequences". Same with eating too much, drinking too much, smoking too much, or having a three-way with a couple of strippers and an eight ball.
That my own, potentially self-destructive choices might cause your insurance rates to go up .00001% (for example) is enough to warrant an armed agent of the state dictating that I don't?
I'm not suggesting heroin (for example) be legalized. I'm not going Full Libertarian, as I abhor idealism as an insidious influence that has killed more people than any other.
However, the 'six degrees to a victim' notion is bullshit. It's a dishonest excuse for banning behavior others simply don't like.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2014 11:32 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: prescient11 at January 21, 2014 03:24 PM (tVTLU)
It is even worse than that, we as Americans used to know that we were something special in the world, we took disparate cultures and melded them together to form the great and generous American morality. Now, that great American morality has been gutted and deemed not equal, but rather completely inferior to all other cultures, especially cultures which enshrine truly horrendous violence against women and children in the name of religion. We are told that our patrimony as Americans is vile and evil and that we should hang our heads in shame--we the people, who have fed, nurtured, and rebuilt the world after every world war, rescued the broken and bleeding from earthquakes, vaccinated against pestilence, adopted abandoned or orphaned children, granted refugee status to people fleeing political and economical oppression, and so on and so forth.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at January 21, 2014 11:32 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2014 11:32 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Meremortal at January 21, 2014 11:33 AM (1Y+hH)
Hey, I'm all for choice too. I'd like to choose an incandescent light bulb, a toilet that flushes the first time, a health insurance policy that doesn't cover me or the missus for things that aren't ever going to happen to us. I'd like to choose to defend my family and myself without having to get government permission, etc.
Where's my choice?
These wicked people use the word "choice" only as a public relations gambit; that is because "choice" is preferable to "abortion".
Posted by: Powderhouse at January 21, 2014 11:35 AM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: model_1066 at January 21, 2014 11:37 AM (LIQGY)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2014 11:38 AM (7kkQJ)
If I slap you in the face, have I significantly affected you? Nope.
Of course you would have.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2014 11:38 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Bll Mitchell at January 21, 2014 11:38 AM (+9xNn)
Posted by: The GOP Consultancy (for a cut of the ad buy, we'll get you the independents) at January 21, 2014 11:39 AM (G7Yr9)
Dear Texans,
You really, really, don't want a liberal, attractive blonde governor with a facial mole(s).
Trust us on this.
Michiganiacs.
Posted by: Michigan Mike at January 21, 2014 11:40 AM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: model_1066 at January 21, 2014 11:41 AM (LIQGY)
Posted by: Bll Mitchell at January 21, 2014 11:41 AM (+9xNn)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2014 11:43 AM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 03:23 PM (LSDdO)
Yeah? Well, good luck rolling back Roe V. Wade with an untenable, absolutist position.
If a victim of rape or incest impregnated by her rapist chooses to terminate that pregnancy, then you go on with your bad self in finding the votes of people in favor of forcing her to carry that child to term or arresting her if she doesn't. News: you won't.
You may find some kind of satisfaction taking an uncompromising position on this issue, but righteousness is no replacement for results. Me, I want Roe v. Wade overturned on its lack of legal merit, its shaky logic and disingenuousness of its arguments. I want real progress made in the fight against legalized infanticide. Your position gets us nowhere.
Posted by: troyriser at January 21, 2014 11:43 AM (gNlvW)
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Actually, if you believe the Freakonomics guy, most of those aborted babies would have grown up to be hoodlums.
Posted by: Michigan Mike at January 21, 2014 11:44 AM (Xv7f/)
Under what authority can you impose your no sex in public morality on me?
Because seeing your sweaty man-ass would be sufficiently traumatizing to an non-consenting public. Some of whom might be eating.
Now if your local sports stadium hosted Gang Bang Mondays, out of view and exclusively attended by consenting adults, should the government really need to get involved? Because you can bet your ass that they would.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 21, 2014 11:44 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: model_1066 at January 21, 2014 11:45 AM (LIQGY)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2014 11:46 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Meremortal at January 21, 2014 11:46 AM (1Y+hH)
Since most of those aborted babies would have grown up to be Democrats, the Left is really screwing themselves.
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Actually, if you believe the Freakonomics guy, most of those aborted babies would have grown up to be hoodlums
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Democrats. Hoodlums. A distinction without a difference.
Q: Can Obama pardon everybody in the prison system, thus restoring voting rights to millions of ... ahem ... Democrats?
Posted by: Wrunkle at January 21, 2014 11:47 AM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2014 11:48 AM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: model_1066 at January 21, 2014 11:49 AM (LIQGY)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 21, 2014 11:49 AM (6bMel)
Posted by: Brother Cavil wants out at January 21, 2014 11:49 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: NeverEvermore at January 21, 2014 11:50 AM (hRV3r)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2014 11:51 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: model_1066 at January 21, 2014 11:51 AM (LIQGY)
I don't take positions on morality to get "us" anywhere.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 11:56 AM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Meremortal at January 21, 2014 11:56 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: troyriser at January 21, 2014 03:43 PM (gNlvW)
And YOURS has worked so well?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 11:58 AM (LSDdO)
On a purely selfish note, virtually devoid of moralistic considerations, why the F should I fund any aspect of someone else's decision to abort. The fact that I view abortion as abhorrent and against all my religious principles does not change that point of view; however, in the long term goal of replacing God with the State, I am forced to see a portion of my confiscated tax dollars go to just such a purpose.
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 21, 2014 12:00 PM (o3MSL)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2014 12:01 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: model_1066 at January 21, 2014 12:03 PM (LIQGY)
Posted by: Brother Cavil wants out at January 21, 2014 12:04 PM (naUcP)
Posted by: PotHeadPaulie at January 21, 2014 12:07 PM (RHBWt)
Posted by: NeverEvermore at January 21, 2014 12:10 PM (hRV3r)
Posted by: Brother Cavil wants out at January 21, 2014 12:12 PM (naUcP)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VII
Posted by: Wrunkle at January 21, 2014 12:13 PM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: NeverEvermore at January 21, 2014 12:17 PM (hRV3r)
Posted by: Brother Cavil wants out at January 21, 2014 12:20 PM (naUcP)
Exactly. Well said.
Dehumanizing the victim is often necessary for the rationalization and commission of premeditated murder . See, untermenschen
Posted by: Peter R. at January 21, 2014 12:24 PM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: OCBill at January 21, 2014 12:29 PM (rFipM)
Posted by: Nomennovum at January 21, 2014 12:33 PM (LQcUl)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 21, 2014 12:51 PM (qad38)
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Posted by: shelby at January 21, 2014 01:04 PM (TKaeM)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 03:56 PM (LSDdO)
No, you take very absolutist positions on morality in a public forum so you can feel good about yourself. Enjoy that smug sense of superiority while it lasts, because that's all you get. The law is, at its essence, the practical translation of morality into the public sphere, otherwise known as the real world. Most of the time that translation requires compromise. Where the rubber meets the road is how far and how much one is willing to compromise to achieve a desired end.
Posted by: troyriser at January 21, 2014 01:06 PM (gNlvW)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at January 21, 2014 01:21 PM (1hM1d)
I approach all serious moral issues (hell, all issues of consequence) with, above all and first, complete humility. Seems sort of natural to me. I do, however, achieve a sort of robotic objectivity, in the sense that I never consider convenience (for me) or material benefit (for me) to be part of an issue.
Abortion I find to be an ethical conundrum, in that it nearly perfectly counterposes two of the highest absolute values, individual liberty and sanctity of life.
With all respect - and heaps of that humility I referenced above - I am wondering, ace, why does the abortion count make you uncomfortable. No snark or stupid cleverness here.
As with capital punishment, I find myself generally opposed (in that case, entirely due to reticence to empower the state outside of war or similiar exigency with life/death power, with some healthy skepticism of even our criminal justice process ladled on top), mostly because my calculus is that when there is some insoluble ethical conundrum (when does life actually begin?), it's morally safest to acknowledge the limits of our reason and draw the lines cautiously and in favor of life. That is, I can't figure out if life can be said to begin somewhere between fertilization and birth, but it seems pretty solid to just default to: life begins at fertilization, as it seems silly to say it exists prior to that.
Posted by: non-purist at January 21, 2014 01:32 PM (afQnV)
You're making assumptions about me to make yourself feel better about the compromises you feel you have to make.
I suspect that you're more angry at yourself than you are at me. I'm just a convenient target for that anger.
You should really spend some time with a professional or at least a priest to discover what you truly believe and then once you do, you'll probably be more comfortable with your decision and less likely to project your anger onto others.
Meanwhile don't presume to make statements about me or what I think or how I feel unless I have made them about myself.
You don't have the power nor the right to do so.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 02:01 PM (LSDdO)
You don't have the power nor the right to do so.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 06:01 PM (LSDdO)
I'll presume all I want, thanks. Based on what you've written so far, I'm guessing you're a supercillious little prig, kind of like Rick Santorum without the charm.
Posted by: troyriser at January 21, 2014 02:17 PM (gNlvW)
What is your problem?
You're making this very personal and I've been trying to be patient about it cause it's an emotionally loaded topic but you seem to think it's okay for you to call me names and impugn my opinions as being shallow and self serving while I have, so far, not said one thing derogatory about you personally.
If you don't stop this and let things lie, I'll have to reassess my approach.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 02:41 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 06:41 PM (LSDdO)
I never write anything to or about anyone I wouldn't say to someone's face, which is--I think--a good rule to follow for the sake of civil debate whether online or IRL. I also use my real name wherever I post, so that generally keeps me honest and aboveboard. However, you're the one who makes uninformed assumptions, who recommends counseling and treatment for those who disagree with you, so by all means reassess your approach, whatever the hell that means.
Posted by: troyriser at January 21, 2014 02:51 PM (gNlvW)
Posted by: The GOP Consultancy (for a cut of the ad buy, we'll get you the independents) at January 21, 2014 02:54 PM (G7Yr9)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at January 21, 2014 03:34 PM (QVC7W)
Really got under your skin didn't I?
I'm sure you'll have something else to say after this because that's the type of person you are.
I'll just say this. If I wasn't correct, you wouldn't be so upset, now would you? You could laugh me and my comment off but you can't because it what you know to be the truth but for whatever reason you've decided to deny that truth and thus anyone who speaks it must be denigrated and denied. They must be branded as worthless and unworthy of respect. They must be made to appear as "the Other" so that you can dismiss the truth they speak.
I know when I hear an opinion that is so off the wall and so lacking in merit, I don't get wound up and start ad hominem attacks. I just walk away. As I'm doing now.
Feel free though to get that last word in cause that will mean "you've won" and you can rest easy having had the last word. Sort of, but inside you'll still know I'm right and inside you still know it's murder.
Don't you? It's what you were taught and it's what you truly believe and your soul will twist on that skewer until you finally admit it to yourself or until judgment day.
You have a good night and try to get some rest.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 03:38 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: hound13 at January 21, 2014 05:41 PM (I6py4)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 21, 2014 07:38 PM (LSDdO)
No, I don't get in the last word to say 'I won'. That's you, how you think, simple projection. If you knew me at all--and you don't--you'd realize that I don't get upset by anonymous Internet people. I can't be trolled. On the other hand, I love engagement and debate, which--aside from the company of so many of the good people who post here--is one of the main reasons this one of the few places on the Internet I bother to go.
So you have a good night, too.
Posted by: troyriser at January 21, 2014 05:57 PM (ptcFO)
Posted by: HardScrabble Lawyer at January 22, 2014 05:40 AM (C+TwA)
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