May 06, 2014

What Did My Home-Invading Kid Ever Do To Deserve Being Shot While Burglarizing a Home?
— Ace

I guess "deserving" is the theme of the day.

The two dead teenagers were aged 16 and 14.

As regards "deserving:" I don't know if a 14 year old "deserves" to die for a burglary which doesn't seem to include violence, but the homeowner was well within his rights to shoot the bastards.

I think these two ideas get conflated by people who can't, or won't, keep them separate.

Do I think a 14 year old "deserved" to die so young?

No, but that doesn't mean the homeowner was at fault, either. The 14 year old put himself in an extraordinarily dangerous position, and made life hell for his victims. He also, surely, scared the crap out of his victims.

And the reason that burglary (and especially home invasion) is historically a major crime is because a burglar, if happened upon by a homeowner, is likely to respond with violence, even if he had never planned violence as part of his intended crime.

The homeowner had the right to shoot the burglars. (Actually it seems like it was the homeowner's brother who shot, as she'd invited her brother to stay with her after being burglarized just one week ago.)

It's an outcome that isn't optimal, but the homeowner isn't charged with making sure those burlgarizing her home get precisely what they "deserve." She is permitted to exercise a defense of her person and her home, and she did so. She is not a court of law dealing with questions like "deserving" at the safe remove of reading about a crime on paper.

She is a frightened woman, terrified in her own home by invaders, and her first right (and only true duty) is defense of the self.

She did that.

And speaking of "deserving" -- does she deserve years of prosecutorial abuse for merely defending herself and her home?

Posted by: Ace at 01:34 PM | Comments (360)
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1 Deserve's got nuthin' to do with it.

Posted by: William Munny, Unforgiven at May 06, 2014 01:36 PM (RFeQD)

2 It's always sad when young people behave stupidly and wake up dead as a result.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at May 06, 2014 01:36 PM (kXoT0)

3 Burglary is dangerous. Burglars should consider their lives cheap, most people do, except bleeding hearts.

Posted by: fb at May 06, 2014 01:37 PM (JVEmw)

4 How can you tell the person breaking into your home to at least rob and maybe violate and kill you is just a badly raised teenager?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 06, 2014 01:37 PM (Y92Nd)

5 The first, and most important thing to teach teenage boys. Thou art mortal.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 06, 2014 01:38 PM (TIIx5)

6 The really sad part about this story are the people who are making excuses for home invasion.

Posted by: Ordinary Average Guy at May 06, 2014 01:38 PM (SmyKc)

7 The way I have always looked at it they may as well have shot themselves when they decided to do a home invasion burglary.   Yes they did get what they deserved.  And the age for these types of hoods is immaterial.  They probably already had a rap sheet longer than my johnson.



Them only thing I would draw the line at is shooting them multiple times after they were already incapacitated on the floor.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 06, 2014 01:38 PM (T2V/1)

8 "Deserves" got nothin' to do with it.

Posted by: William Munny at May 06, 2014 01:39 PM (82qVG)

9 Breaking into someone's home is a serious matter, anything can happen. That's why it's a felony everywhere I know of. The kids' parents should look in a mirror before parsing out blame.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 06, 2014 01:39 PM (5UteM)

10 It's easier to blame the homeowner than face the fact they failed as parents, I guess.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 06, 2014 01:39 PM (GDulk)

11 All systems seek equilibrium.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 01:40 PM (9W+0f)

12 "Deserves got nothin' to do with it." -- Clint Eastwood, The Unforgiven

Posted by: Caiwyn at May 06, 2014 01:40 PM (MmZIj)

13 I chock this up the moral relativism and hedonistic attitudes that have permeated our society. It's just a little b&e why you getting all worked up?

Posted by: Kreplach at May 06, 2014 01:40 PM (8tAEF)

14 Violent death is an inherent risk when one opts to become a felon as a career choice.

Posted by: WVinMN at May 06, 2014 01:40 PM (4Pleu)

15 Once again, we're confusing "deserve" with "likelihood of happening. Did the kid "deserve" to get shot? Not particularly, some punishment, maybe some community service, perhaps some time in Juvie is what he deserved. Was being shot a possible (probable even) outcome? Yes. How upset am I over said outcome...meh. Loss of life is often tragic, but the homeowner (or her brother in this case) is not the one who threw it away.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 06, 2014 01:40 PM (HDwDg)

16 It's the same way libs and company argue about Trayvon. Why did he deserve to die. As if a committee was formed. No, dumbasses put themselves in a position where death was an option. they choose...poorly. But apparently, the only victims in this world, according to sufferers of the liberal pathology, are those who get rebuffed in self-defense. In a larger sense, it's why the left can sponsor state terror throughout the world but still be pissed off about Pinochet. How dare he and his fight back. Those were death squads. TAMI or ELF or whatever red brigade you have...those are freedom fighters. Whoever fights back? Those are the evildoers. And conservatives are usually too dickless to fight back in the framing war.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 06, 2014 01:41 PM (FQLT3)

17 Home owners shooting burglars moves the system of property ownership toward a more stable equilibrium.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 01:41 PM (9W+0f)

18 The one whose picture was not grayed out was flashing gang signs and trying to look "street", a veritable White Trayvon. If you want to be a gangsta, maybe, you gonna die like one, hefe?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at May 06, 2014 01:41 PM (kXoT0)

19 Catalactically.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 01:42 PM (9W+0f)

20 This is just Darwinism at work.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 06, 2014 01:42 PM (5UteM)

21 "Do I think a 14 year old "deserved" to die so young? Ha you funny when you making strawmen. Yes, this is exactly like Monica being humiliated. Exactly.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:42 PM (bb5+k)

22 Workplace safety for burglars!

Posted by: OSHA at May 06, 2014 01:42 PM (MMC8r)

23 As a young child, I was instructed that there were two categories of 'things', those that were mine, and those that were not mine. I was taught to *not* touch those things that were not mine.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 06, 2014 01:43 PM (aDwsi)

24 Sometimes, the "victim" actually does deserve some blame. Isn't that the whole principle of justified self-defense?

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at May 06, 2014 01:43 PM (dY7R2)

25 Hey, teach your kids not to steal.

Problem solved.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 06, 2014 01:43 PM (wtvvX)

26 Yes they deserved to die, and I hope they burn in hell!!!

Posted by: Samuel L. Jackson at May 06, 2014 01:43 PM (imEga)

27

More importantly...

 

Did the Homeowner "deserve" to get invaded?

Posted by: wheatie at May 06, 2014 01:43 PM (l/M30)

28 Oh yeah - those two had "Mensa" written all over them.

Posted by: aThirdofDuane at May 06, 2014 01:43 PM (Qs+4l)

29 Well today went okay. I got through it without sucking off any Presidents. Because blowing Presidents is just an urge I get. I can't help myself. I bet any of us can understand. Also managed not to munch Hillary's rug, somehow. Seriously, there's generic sin and temptation, and then there's taking unnecessary and stupid risks

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 06, 2014 01:43 PM (9MuqI)

30 Shootings like this happen every day in every state. But for some reason the Left only cares about Florida...and now Louisiana. Smells like desperation.

Posted by: Oschisms at May 06, 2014 01:44 PM (y9dfJ)

31 Why are YOUR KIDS in MY HOUSE?

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 01:44 PM (MMC8r)

32 didn't listen...did they pull out the SYG or castle doctrine bitching? Is this a case of gun violence? Surely, kids getting killed while in the act of committing felonies are not indicative of the failings of the public sector union thugs giving them life lessons or of the nihilistic culture being foisted upon them?

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 06, 2014 01:44 PM (FQLT3)

33 Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 06, 2014 01:44 PM (ioYmu)

34 I thought this was the MN case that you were writing about.  Those kids were executed.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at May 06, 2014 01:44 PM (jucos)

35 Property rights guarantee all other rights. Including the right not to be shot. Weakening property rights weakens all rights.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 01:44 PM (9W+0f)

36 Remember that "barefoot burglar" creep who was lauded as a folk hero Che-style by a lot of people. He was supposed to be a lovable rogue, but he scared the shit out of the people whose homes he violated. Just ask the SD couple who came from their vacation to see a laser pointer aimed at them in the dark of their own house. There's a sort of dark lust for glamorizing these types of criminals, since they are non-violent until they aren't. Even if one of these shitbirds were to burgle George Clooney's house, I'd have zero sympathy for them.

Posted by: logprof at May 06, 2014 01:44 PM (un0yB)

37 The burglary happened late at night. Which means that the perps weren't really interested in her possessions. Evil shit was on these assholes' minds, and they most likely planned on leaving her beaten or dead.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 06, 2014 01:45 PM (TIIx5)

38 This reminds me of what a black woman told me in an internet conversation when we were talking about the bleeding hearts who always cropped up in these situations.


She said sometimes all a bleeding heart does is get blood on the floor.  I am sure the bleeding hearts in the legal system excused these hoods multiple times in the past. That is what ultimately led to their deaths.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 06, 2014 01:45 PM (T2V/1)

39 Did the homeowner's brother deserve to have nightmares about shooting the little jackass? Did the homeowner deserve to have her stuff taken by a couple of immoral thugs? Did the homeowner deserve to have to live in fear that someone else was going to come in and violate her person or at least her personal space? How 'bout we switch it up and let the shooter come into the perps' folks' house and see how they like it? Buncha crap, the whole thing.

Posted by: tcn at May 06, 2014 01:45 PM (g+qqc)

40 More importantly... Did the Homeowner "deserve" to get invaded? Posted by: wheatie at May 06, 2014 05:43 PM (l/M30) According to fingerprint evidence, at least one of them came back to burgle the home again. No, they homeowner did not deserve to have these young men breaking her windows and invading her home.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at May 06, 2014 01:45 PM (kXoT0)

41 What we really need is a Common Core Essay on this.

Posted by: Boone at May 06, 2014 01:45 PM (QD/eQ)

42 don't want to get shot?

don't come in my house uninvited...

its a simple equation really.

the gates & doors are locked for your protection, not mine.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 06, 2014 01:46 PM (q+fqH)

43 Chaotic situations brought about by disrespecting property rights can have unoptimal outcomes.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 01:46 PM (9W+0f)

44

"the homeowner was well within his rights to shoot the bastards"

...

...

Not if the "bastards" are black and the homeowner is white.

Posted by: Eric Holder at May 06, 2014 01:46 PM (wAQA5)

45 HE'S A GOOD BOY!

Posted by: Whats-his-name's Mother at May 06, 2014 01:46 PM (MMC8r)

46 A persons home should be as our national borders, free for anyone of any nation to openly cross. What right does any person have to close their door at night and lock that door? #AmnestyNow

Posted by: Liberal With A 'Coexist' & Obama/Biden Bumber Sticker living in a gated community[/i] at May 06, 2014 01:47 PM (j1NwQ)

47 They were just trying to eat? WTF you crazy teenage bitch. I think judging by their pictures both teenagers were well fed and so are you. Tell it like it is, it was for stuff to pawn for drug money. I am sad they lost their brothers but I seriously want to slap those girls so badly right now.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 06, 2014 01:48 PM (+0txR)

48 It's an outcome that isn't optimal, but the homeowner isn't charged with making sure those burlgarizing her home get precisely what they "deserve." She is permitted to exercise a defense of her person and her home, and she did so. My take on this is that these boys weren't taught morality because society frowns on that stuff nowadays. It used to demand compliance with a fairly universal standard. (thou shalt not steal shit) Now it condemns the idea of shame for bad behavior. I wonder if these boys father(s) was/were absent because LBJ's vote farming scheme made him/them unnecessary?

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:48 PM (bb5+k)

49 I just don't understand why they were shot multiple times and killed. Not enough practice time on the range?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 06, 2014 01:48 PM (HsTG8)

50 Hey, ammo's not cheap.

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 01:48 PM (MMC8r)

51 OK... so.... one of the kids had broken into that exact same house BEFORE??? Ergo, it was the lack of Punishment from the Police, and MOM, who got these kids killed...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 06, 2014 01:48 PM (84gbM)

52 If the unknown object sneaking around my house is bigger than a dog, I'm quite inclined to shoot it. That is my doctrine and this is my castle.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 06, 2014 01:48 PM (1CroS)

53 These kids died at work.  They are due proper compensation for the hazardous work conditions. The homeowner had workmans comp insurance I presume....

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at May 06, 2014 01:48 PM (jucos)

54 You can bet the gun-control freaks will count these two now-dead numbskulls as "child victims of gun violence".

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 06, 2014 01:48 PM (wtvvX)

55 Entering a home uninvited and "borrowing" stuff is just part of his culture!

Posted by: votermom at May 06, 2014 01:48 PM (GSIDW)

56 All they wanted was "access" to free stuff.

Posted by: Soothie § at May 06, 2014 01:48 PM (dWCXK)

57 Memorize these phrases: I feared for my life. I want a lawyer. The dead hooker was already in the room when I checked in.

Posted by: toby928© at May 06, 2014 01:49 PM (QupBk)

58 It wasn't an execution. But Leftists for all their posturing are much more outraged by unfortunate events like this than they are by executions.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 01:49 PM (9W+0f)

59 If you are going to run with the big dogs better learn how to lift your leg. Deserve to die? Not sure but I haven't shed any tears reading the story

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 06, 2014 01:49 PM (kQj83)

60 A sad aspect of this is that the shooter is going to be burdened by this in a big way. An argument can be made that he is a truly innocent victim, one who was merely minding his own business.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 06, 2014 01:49 PM (aDwsi)

61 Tragic but I'd suggest the parents take a good long look in the mirror before they go looking for anyone else to blame.

Posted by: Epobirs at May 06, 2014 01:49 PM (Icq+V)

62 47 They were just trying to eat? WTF you crazy teenage bitch. I think judging by their pictures both teenagers were well fed and so are you. Tell it like it is, it was for stuff to pawn for drug money.



I am sad they lost their brothers but I seriously want to slap those girls so badly right now.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 06, 2014 05:48 PM (+0txR)

You and me both, sister...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 06, 2014 01:50 PM (wtvvX)

63 these boys weren't taught morality because society frowns on that stuff nowadays. It used to demand compliance with a fairly universal standard. (thou shalt not steal shit) Now it condemns the idea of shame for bad behavior.

I did a few stupid things at that age too, and I was definitely taught the difference between right and wrong, and the consequences of confusing the two.  I didn't break into someone's home, though.  Tragic is not the same as malicious. 

Posted by: pep at May 06, 2014 01:50 PM (4nR9/)

64 I thought this was in Sacremento?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 06, 2014 01:51 PM (+0txR)

65 The President's dick broke into my cooch!

Posted by: Monica Lewinsky at May 06, 2014 01:51 PM (un0yB)

66  Tragic but I'd suggest the parents take a good long look in the mirror before they go looking for anyone else to blame.

Posted by: Epobirs at May 06, 2014 05:49 PM (Icq+V)

____________

Bitch can't find me.  Prolly don't even know who I am.

Posted by: Baby Daddy at May 06, 2014 01:51 PM (jucos)

67 All I know is, when Vic drags his johnson into it, it's serious, you guys. ZERO sympathy for the kids. Sad that it happened, but they got exactly what they deserved. You breaks into someones house, you takes your chances on this very thing going down.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 06, 2014 01:51 PM (++4vU)

68 Sonny was a burgler But he will burgle no more 'Cause who he thought was an easy mark Owned a forty-four...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 06, 2014 01:52 PM (HsTG8)

69 but you know how it is. Kids always start out at the burglarizing level of criminality. There wasn't a life of crime leading up to this, right?

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 06, 2014 01:52 PM (FQLT3)

70 I just don't understand why they were shot multiple times and killed. What ever happened to just humanely "winging" the bad guy? I see that on TV all the time.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 06, 2014 01:52 PM (8ZskC)

71 Sometimes, the "victim" actually does deserve some blame. Isn't that the whole principle of justified self-defense? No, not to my mind. Self-defense is about keeping yourself and your family alive. Punishment is a deterrent against committing crime. We have prosecutors, and judges, and juries who are in the business of punishment. I'm not one of them.

Posted by: Socratease at May 06, 2014 01:52 PM (82qVG)

72 Morrissey snags Sharyl Attkisson for his radio show? Ace, you've got to try and get her for the podcast!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 06, 2014 01:53 PM (oFCZn)

73 Most people actually believe that the Government, being big and democratic, has a right to murder "undesirable people." When an individual acts in self defense, they can be and are categorized as "dangerous/undesirable" and people then want the Government to act.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 01:53 PM (9W+0f)

74 17 Home owners shooting burglars moves the system of property ownership toward a more stable equilibrium. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 05:41 PM (9W+0f) A lot of people tend to lose the larger picture in the details. Some people can't see the forest because they are focusing on trees. It may have transpired that not shooting them would have resulted in even more deaths in the future. Don't know, but the probabilities increase with people involved in behavior such as this.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:53 PM (bb5+k)

75 ZERO sympathy for the kids. Sad that it happened, but they got exactly what they deserved. Natural selection respects no age group.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 06, 2014 01:53 PM (8ZskC)

76

I hesitate to comment before I hear what Chuck Schumer has to say.

Posted by: wth at May 06, 2014 01:53 PM (wAQA5)

77 It's not like a sixteen-year-old burglar would be there to rape or murder.

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 01:53 PM (MMC8r)

78 'It's not murder when the Government does it.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 01:53 PM (9W+0f)

79 These sorts of tragedies always sicken me. The homeowner should get the death penalty. signed, xxoo William Raspberry

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 06, 2014 01:54 PM (FQLT3)

80 If their Mothers had just aborted them and made a film about it being uplifting there wouldn't be any problem here.

Posted by: Nothing to see here, move along at May 06, 2014 01:54 PM (L0my5)

81

56

All they wanted was "access" to free stuff.

 

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I guess it's a normal evolution of the Looter Class Mentality...that property owners should not be allowed to protect themselves from their looting.

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 06, 2014 01:54 PM (l/M30)

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 06, 2014 01:54 PM (q+fqH)

83 Ergo, it was the lack of Punishment from the Police, and MOM, who got these kids killed... Yup. Recent case in Indianapolis where a kid on fucking house arrest for an assault wasn't home when the parole officer showed up...nothing happened, later in the week he illegally obtained a firearm and thrill-killed an innocent young father-to-be (the good kind--married to the mother, had a job--not the sperm donor kind). (and of course the progg "answer" is to punish law-abiding firearm owners, not reform the fucking system or charge the fuckwads who didn't want to punish the perp for his earlier crimes because they felt sorry for him or whatever. Fuck that shit.)

Posted by: HR at May 06, 2014 01:54 PM (/kI1Q)

84 I don't have a lot of sympathy for the family of the little criminals. I turned my own brother in for armed robbery. Partly to keep him from being shot but mostly because it's just f'in wrong!

Posted by: no good deed at May 06, 2014 01:54 PM (ILBCY)

85 They were coming right at me!!

Posted by: toby928© at May 06, 2014 01:54 PM (QupBk)

86 This is bullshit, but not surprising. Fuck the delinquent little fuckers, I never was shot at when I was 14 because my parents raised me to respect other peoples' shit. The parents of these two are more to blame than anyone.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at May 06, 2014 01:55 PM (Q8vlx)

87 Wouldn't you just love to die this way and have to explain yourself to the Most High?

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 01:55 PM (36Rjy)

88 And 'an eye for an eye.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 01:55 PM (9W+0f)

89 20 This is just Darwinism at work. Posted by: Dr Spank at May 06, 2014 05:42 PM (5UteM) As much as they worship the Unholy Triumvirate of Dewey, Darwin and the Holey Marx, LIbErals should understand this..... ...alas.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at May 06, 2014 01:55 PM (E92Rp)

90 79 These sorts of tragedies always sicken me.
The homeowner should get the death penalty.

signed, xxoo

William Raspberry Posted by: joeindc44

Testify, brother. 

Posted by: Zombie Carl Rowan at May 06, 2014 01:55 PM (4nR9/)

91 Teenager shot while breaking into an occupied dwelling. Just think of it as future crime control Think of all the crimes that will not be committed over the next forty years, at no expense to the state. Remember that news story that 6% of the population commit 70% of the crimes?

Posted by: Minority Report at May 06, 2014 01:55 PM (SmyKc)

92 Posted by: OSHA at May 06, 2014 05:42 PM (MMC8r) LOL'd. Twice.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at May 06, 2014 01:55 PM (XACYf)

93 34 I thought this was the MN case that you were writing about. Those kids were executed. Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at May 06, 2014 05:44 PM (jucos) I did too until I followed the link. That MN case had no justification for killing those two teens after they had been rendered harmless. That was just out and out murder.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:55 PM (bb5+k)

94

Join me on Meat The Press on Sunday where we will be discussing this, and Global Climates Changing and Ekual Pay with my speshul Gests Bizz Markee and Cee Lo Green

Posted by: Will I Am at May 06, 2014 01:55 PM (jucos)

95 "And speaking of "deserving" -- does she deserve years of prosecutorial abuse for merely defending herself and her home?"


Of course not.  But don't worry.  We've got that covered.

Posted by: Politically Ambitious DAs Everywhere at May 06, 2014 01:55 PM (knoK7)

96 Make bad choices, get bad results. Also, I'm proud of the Horde for hitting the "Unforgiven" line three times before I read the post. I love this place...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 06, 2014 01:55 PM (rt3TY)

97 i look at this as just being an extremely late term abortion, which is perfectly acceptable in the leftard moral structures, so why are they so bent out of shape over this?

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 06, 2014 01:55 PM (q+fqH)

98 35 Property rights guarantee all other rights. Including the right not to be shot. Weakening property rights weakens all rights. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 05:44 PM (9W+0f) Taking someones life is just another form of theft. If it doesn't belong to you, you have no right to take it.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:56 PM (bb5+k)

99 >> They were just trying to eat? Modern-day fuckin' Jean Valjeans, these two. Just stole a loaf of bread ... and now they're dead. Yeah, my sympathy meter is registering zero-point-zero.

Posted by: Andy at May 06, 2014 01:56 PM (2OaXr)

100 72 Morrissey snags Sharyl Attkisson for his radio show? Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 06, 2014 05:53 PM (oFCZn) You had to sneak into my room 'just' to read my diary "It was just to see, just to see" (All the things you knew I'd written about you...) Oh, so many illustrations Oh, but I'm so very sickened Oh, I am so sickened now

Posted by: Oops, Wrong Morrissey at May 06, 2014 01:56 PM (un0yB)

101 The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brotherÂ’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will STRIKE down upon thee with great vengeance and FURIOUS anger, those who intend to poison and destroy my brother. And you will KNOW my name is the Lord, when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Posted by: Jules, Bad Mother**cker at May 06, 2014 01:56 PM (W6wuT)

102 Getting shot with one of America's 200 million guns, is why home invasion is so rare. I may be off a 100 million or so on the guns thing.

Posted by: nip at May 06, 2014 01:57 PM (jI23+)

103 At common law a "burglary" was different than a mere home invasion. "Burglary" was the breaking into an occupied dwelling at night with the intention of committing a felony therein. It was a very specific crime that recognized the extreme danger the crime presented. It basically gave the home occupant carte blanche to kill the burglar.

Posted by: Taffy3 at May 06, 2014 01:57 PM (Xv7f/)

104 Oh my God. Crazy woman in Sterling case just finalized adopting two African American boys. Can the story get more bizzare? Sorry for O/T but just saw the headline at daily mail (which isn't a tabloid, quit calling it that, they do more real reporting on what happens in America than the NYT, Wa Post and LA Times put together. So they accompany it with bikini clad women, thought you morons liked that sort of thing)

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 06, 2014 01:57 PM (+0txR)

105 Oh, and the local news crew did a great job of painting a target on that poor woman's back, showing multiple views of the house, describing it as the nicest house in the neighborhood, giving the cross-streets and showing the street numbers by the front door.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 06, 2014 01:57 PM (TIIx5)

106 What Did My Home-Invading Kid Ever Do To Deserve Being Shot While Burglarizing a Home?


He had parents that never fully imparted in him to not burglarize homes.


Except in Canada. We legally can't do sh!t up here but wait for the police.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 06, 2014 01:57 PM (AC0lD)

107 Another pair of needless deaths that could have been prevented by a prominent GUN FREE ZONE sign in the front yard.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 06, 2014 01:57 PM (8ZskC)

108 87 Wouldn't you just love to die this way and have to explain yourself to the Most High? Posted by: baldilocks

I'll take what are words you would never hear from Ted Kennedy for $500, Alex?

Posted by: pep at May 06, 2014 01:57 PM (4nR9/)

109 Future NYT headline: Prison populations decline despite increase in gun sales, self-defense shootings

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at May 06, 2014 01:57 PM (dY7R2)

110 The original transgression is personal self defense. The secondary transgression, 'transgressing against the transgressor' is collective self defense. People will generally side with the collective, even if doing so is clearly unjust.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 01:58 PM (9W+0f)

111 You play with the bull, you get the horns \../

Posted by: Juanita Broaddrick at May 06, 2014 01:58 PM (thLL8)

112

40...According to fingerprint evidence, at least one of them came back to burgle the home again.

 

Posted by: Sherry McEvil

 

----------

 

Oh well then...they had to come back, to get the stuff they couldn't carry the first time.

Posted by: wheatie at May 06, 2014 01:58 PM (l/M30)

113 Confession time--I stole the hubcaps off the principal's jeep in high school, and then got to feeling bad about it (along about the time I went to Mass and couldn't take communion), so I went to put them back on and got busted in the act. First and LAST time I ever took something that wasn't mine. No record, but scared the beJebus outta me. How a 14 year old gets to burglary not once, but twice, without something stopping him, is a mystery to me and clearly reflects the lack of limitations that might have kept him alive. I do not feel the slightest bit of sympathy, but I do feel for the poor shooter who has to live with this for the rest of his life. He did the right thing, but that is still a lot to carry.

Posted by: tcn at May 06, 2014 01:58 PM (g+qqc)

114 54 You can bet the gun-control freaks will count these two now-dead numbskulls as "child victims of gun violence". Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 06, 2014 05:48 PM (wtvvX) Ar ya kiddin? They count people the POLICE SHOOT as victims of "gun violence." Assholes.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 01:59 PM (bb5+k)

115 Breaking into a 70 yr old woman's house in the middle of the night... Burglary probably wasn't on their minds. This seems more than likely a malicious break-in with violence on the menu. But, who knows? It was a stupid act with stupid consequences.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 06, 2014 01:59 PM (0cMkb)

116

35 Property rights guarantee all other rights. Including the right not to be shot. Weakening property rights weakens all rights.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 05:44 PM (9W+0f)
___________________

Try not paying your taxes and you'll find out real quickly whose property it really is.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at May 06, 2014 01:59 PM (jucos)

117 Because, after all, all Atheistic notions of justice are fundamentally opportunistic and/or based on collectivism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 01:59 PM (9W+0f)

118 When old people get scared, they have strokes and heart attacks. My MIL had a small stroke after her home was flooded. Terrorizing old people is serious shit, and it's almost as bad as physically attacking them. Tell your kids not to repeatedly break into old ladies' homes, so both the kids and old folks can live out their lives in peace.

Posted by: stace at May 06, 2014 01:59 PM (9PXzx)

119 Modern-day fuckin' Jean Valjeans, these two. Just stole a loaf of bread ... and now they're dead. Andrew Lloyd Webber is toiling on the "Less Miserables" reboot of this even as we snark...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 06, 2014 01:59 PM (HsTG8)

120 I'm surprised at how balanced that California News spot was on the issue. Pro tip: Don't break into a house to steal stuff, don't know what you'll encounter.

Posted by: Seems legit at May 06, 2014 01:59 PM (A98Xu)

121 Keep this in mind: George Zimmerman was a victim of the 'knock-out game.' That particular version didn't end, however, in the same manner that "game" usually ends. Why do I mention that? Because the family in this story has the exact same mindset as the Martin family.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 02:00 PM (36Rjy)

122 Folks anytime you have a home invasion of an occupied dwelling something bad is going to happen.  Most professional burglars will not hit an occupied building.  The people who do that are after more than just loot.


The woman and her brother were completely justified.  But I am sure the State of CA will hound the shit out of them and cost them a shit-ton of money.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 06, 2014 02:00 PM (T2V/1)

123 The burglary happened late at night. Which means that the perps weren't really interested in her possessions.

--

According to one of the youngsters they interviewed, when asked why the boys did this, she replied, "they wanted to eat."  That's the ticket.  They just wanted a sammich.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 06, 2014 02:00 PM (tsGZY)

124 Justice is an entirely Theistic concept.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 02:00 PM (9W+0f)

125 Turd burglar!!

Posted by: Beavis and Butt-Head at May 06, 2014 02:00 PM (un0yB)

126 Without even watching the video so as not to even know what the ethnicity of the failed burglars or the homeowners are, I'd say the teenage momzers got exactly what they deserved. It's not like shoplifting; these two made a conscious choice to break into a home, which takes time; time enough to consider or reconsider "maybe we shouldn't be doing this?" They chose to be fucking goofs, played a game and lost. Where were momma and poppa, the teachers, the churches and the community not even 5 years earlier? QED.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 06, 2014 02:01 PM (CMkNk)

127 I'm not going to give a shit about these kids dying. I'm sad the poor woman was apparently targeted and frightened IN HER OWN HOME.

Posted by: Seems legit at May 06, 2014 02:01 PM (A98Xu)

128 According to one of the youngsters they interviewed, when asked why the boys did this, she replied, "they wanted to eat." Did the house have golden arches on it?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 06, 2014 02:01 PM (8ZskC)

129 I wish it was "Less Miserable", I hated that shit.

Posted by: nip at May 06, 2014 02:01 PM (jI23+)

130 "Taking someones life is just another form of theft. If it doesn't belong to you, you have no right to take it."

unless, of course, you offer up your life by breaking into my home or otherwise threatening me and mine...

if you want to keep your life, protect it.  you put it at risk doing stupid shit, that's on you.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 06, 2014 02:01 PM (q+fqH)

131 To believe in justice is to believe in God. At the very least, if objective justice exists, Justice is God, and God is Justice.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 02:02 PM (9W+0f)

132 I never was shot at when I was 14 because my parents raised me to respect other peoples' shit. This is so fucking obvious, isn't it?

Posted by: HR at May 06, 2014 02:02 PM (/kI1Q)

133 perhaps the larger issue here is quit asking really stupid people that have no idea what they are talking about "what do you think?" and then putting it on TV

Posted by: chelsea danger at May 06, 2014 02:02 PM (9OgGE)

134 >>>According to one of the youngsters they interviewed, when asked why the boys did this, she replied, "they wanted to eat." That's the ticket. They just wanted a sammich.<<<



This is what happens when you give them crappy food at school. I blame Moochelle.

/

Posted by: yeah, I went there at May 06, 2014 02:02 PM (21O5y)

135 Did Jay Carney deserve all of that man-chowder from the Obama Administration?  Absolutely.

Posted by: Fritz at May 06, 2014 02:03 PM (oJUxt)

136 good shooting by the victim. I call it a taxpayer shot since it saved the taxpayers a shit ton of money dealing with worthless thieves.

Posted by: Stephana at May 06, 2014 02:03 PM (y67N4)

137

Sort of O/T

 

Hillary for Gun Control

 

http://tinyurl.com/lcjpkyw

Posted by: rd at May 06, 2014 02:03 PM (N7QgG)

138 A 16 year old with a neck tattoo is a big neon sign that bad parenting was being practiced here.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 06, 2014 02:03 PM (81UWZ)

139 We have a local case of a 13 old with a bb gun who was shot by the Police. All hell broke loose to take that officer down. La Raza marches etc. Trouble is as far as anyone can tell, the officer, who had another officer with him, shot after the kid pointed the gun at him and didn't drop it when told. He had painted it to look like a real gun. Also had a "pistol in his belt...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at May 06, 2014 02:03 PM (9+ccr)

140 Maybe the elderly woman was known for her cookies and they were just there trying to get some? /sarc

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 06, 2014 02:04 PM (+0txR)

141 bleep bleep bleep homeowners bleep bleep republicans bleep bleep

Posted by: Cenk Ugyur at May 06, 2014 02:04 PM (wAQA5)

142 The homeowner should strike first and sue the parents for emotional damage. They will probably damn sure sue her

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 06, 2014 02:04 PM (nTgAI)

143 Not to believe in God is to reject any notions of objective justice in favor of purely subjective, and therefore purely opportunistic conceptions of justice.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 02:04 PM (9W+0f)

144 Did s/he really have to shoot them? Couldn't s/he have just hit them in the head with a milk bottle? Those kids were just victims of the system.

Posted by: Alex the Droog at May 06, 2014 02:04 PM (1CroS)

145 It's all in the phrasing. Not, " What do you think?", but, "What? Do you think?"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 06, 2014 02:04 PM (HsTG8)

146 Did one of the teenage girls say "maybe ( the two hoods) where hungry " in answering why ( the two hoods) were in the house ?

Posted by: DrDrill at May 06, 2014 02:05 PM (2psRt)

147 Egotistical opportunism or collectivistic opportunism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 02:05 PM (9W+0f)

148 Utilitarianism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 02:05 PM (9W+0f)

149 We told you a gun should only be used in the home.

Posted by: SCROTUS at May 06, 2014 02:05 PM (thLL8)

150 I'm withholding judgement until J. Peerspout Morgan weighs in.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 06, 2014 02:06 PM (HsTG8)

151

138

What was the tattoo, an X Marks the Spot, or just a traditional bullseye?

Posted by: wth at May 06, 2014 02:06 PM (wAQA5)

152 *nods knowingly*

Posted by: Jeremy Bentham at May 06, 2014 02:06 PM (8ZskC)

153 Yes one of the sisters said something about him having to eat.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 06, 2014 02:06 PM (+0txR)

154 A 16 year old with a neck tattoo is a big neon sign that bad parenting was being practiced here.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 06, 2014 06:03 PM (81UWZ)

________________

Hey Buzz.  Long time.  I would go further and say that there was probably NO parenting involved here.  This is almost the third generation of American Feral Youth. This will only get worse and children screw and produce yet another generation with no moral, or any other compass.  Buckle up folks.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at May 06, 2014 02:06 PM (jucos)

155 Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-do I have another puzzle for you Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-da-dee If you are wise, you'll listen to me Who do you blame when your kid is a brat? Pampered and spoiled like a Siamese cat Blaming the kids is a lie and a shame You know exactly who's to blame The mother and the father Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-da If you're not spoiled, then you will go far You will live in happiness too Like the Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-do

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 02:06 PM (MMC8r)

156 So, da two yutes....

Posted by: tcn at May 06, 2014 02:06 PM (g+qqc)

157 "Fuck the delinquent little fuckers, I never was shot at when I was 14 because my parents raised me to respect other peoples' shit. " Effing A. Being stupid has some serious consequences and stupid doesn't care about age.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 06, 2014 02:06 PM (gOoFi)

158 Better question: Did that woman deserve to be repeatedly terrorized in her own home?

Posted by: Seems legit at May 06, 2014 02:06 PM (A98Xu)

159 The feces are materializing:

@ChadPergram

Sr sources say breakdown to be 7 R's, 5 D's on #Benghazi select committee. Resolution coming later tonight.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at May 06, 2014 02:06 PM (JmGFJ)

160 Nihilistic incentive structures. Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 02:07 PM (9W+0f)

161 After watching the report, I want to punch the mother (i.e. lowlife cum-dumptster that spawned one of these little bastards) and the sister. They're not even crying, showing absolutely ZERO emotion! I'd bet my bottom dollar that the "family" are relieved to be rid of the kid.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 06, 2014 02:07 PM (CMkNk)

162 Sacramento low-life white trash. The world is two vermin to the good. Carry on.

Posted by: Shane McGowan's Liver at May 06, 2014 02:07 PM (s/Q41)

163 Did he deserve to escape to rob again?

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at May 06, 2014 02:07 PM (5xmd7)

164 @ChadPergram Sr sources say breakdown to be 7 R's, 5 D's on #Benghazi select committee. Resolution coming later tonight. Yeah, Pelosi demanded it be even. Riiiight...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at May 06, 2014 02:07 PM (9+ccr)

165 meanwhile, down in Nawlins, the innocent Yolo Thuglife shot in the head a year ago while trying to enter a home around 2AM, you know, the one who's family swears is crippled, was arrested recently for------ yup: you guessed it: Burglary.

hard to believe, no?
http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/05/teenage-burglar-in-new-orleans-
(delete this for link)
self-defense-case-charged-in-separate-home-invasion/

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 06, 2014 02:07 PM (q+fqH)

166 >>>According to one of the youngsters they interviewed, when asked why the
boys did this, she replied, "they wanted to eat."<<<



Oh, they're gonna eat all right... eat lead.

Posted by: the brother the poor woman had to have there for protection at May 06, 2014 02:07 PM (21O5y)

167

This is where the concept of 'Social Justice' is leading us.

 

"If someone has more than you...then that is wrong!"

Then you have the right to take what they have.

 

Class Warfare has consequences.

Posted by: wheatie at May 06, 2014 02:08 PM (l/M30)

168 No warning signals from that stew of family pathologies, no sireee Neck tats on the sixteen year old. One of the dead was in foster care despite having a mother. The fourteen year throwing gang hand signs in what must be assumed was the only/best photo his sister could find for the makeshift memorial. What's the over and under on the amount of welfare coming through the door?

Posted by: Taffy3 at May 06, 2014 02:08 PM (Xv7f/)

169 They're not even crying, showing absolutely ZERO emotion! I'd bet my bottom dollar that the "family" are relieved to be rid of the kid. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 06, 2014 06:07 PM (CMkNk) Didn't they mention that the little bastard was already in foster care?

Posted by: tcn at May 06, 2014 02:08 PM (g+qqc)

170 A whole lot of this is the result of two trends in public culture: 1. Everybody gets a trophy. 2. Nobody faces any consequences--in fact, see trend 1, they get a trophy. If everyone gets a trophy and no one faces consequences, then sanity has gone out the window, and the center will not hold.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at May 06, 2014 02:08 PM (kXoT0)

171 Not sure which one, but one of the boys was in a foster home.  Tough break, but still. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 06, 2014 02:08 PM (tsGZY)

172 HEY! THOSE KIDS STOLE MY BULLETS!

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 02:09 PM (MMC8r)

173 I'm watching without the sound... I *expect* mothers to be heartbroken... I *expect* sisters to be devastated... I expect friends to be hurt and confused. We all would like young people to make it through "stupid" and out the other side alive and well and hopefully wiser. It doesn't always happen that way. "Deserve" has nothing to do with it. It has to do with getting yourself killed *stupidly*. Sometimes stupid is permanent.

Posted by: Synova at May 06, 2014 02:09 PM (8nebF)

174 They're not even crying, showing absolutely ZERO emotion! I'd bet my bottom dollar that the "family" are relieved to be rid of the kid.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 06, 2014 06:07 PM (CMkNk)

^^ THIS ^^.  A thousand time this.  The cum dumpster probably has another 6 or 7 ill gotten crotch fruit roaming the hood looking to do the same.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at May 06, 2014 02:09 PM (jucos)

175 And with regards to not shooting them multiple times after they fall and are incapacitated, I can tell you from personal experience that just because they've been shot and are on the ground and not moving doesn't mean they will remain[/] on the ground, not moving. Adrenaline is an amazing thing.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 06, 2014 02:09 PM (++4vU)

176 But you better not say that the breakup of the Black Families has anything to do with this because RACIIIST!

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at May 06, 2014 02:09 PM (9+ccr)

177 "they wanted to eat." They weren't shot in the kitchen.

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 02:09 PM (MMC8r)

178 I'm guessing on the burglary side, solid Obama voters. Early voting, of course.

Posted by: Roscoe at May 06, 2014 02:09 PM (Xv7f/)

179 No the one sister was able to choke out some tears, judging from her appearance it probably had more to do with the fact that with her brother gone the money for drugs was going to dry up for a while though.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 06, 2014 02:09 PM (+0txR)

180 They're not even crying, showing absolutely ZERO emotion! I'd bet my bottom dollar that the "family" are relieved to be rid of the kid. Better than relieved--they're ready to cash in. Again, like Trayvon Martin. Alive, meh. Dead, payday!

Posted by: HR at May 06, 2014 02:10 PM (/kI1Q)

181 176 Well, that and they were white.

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 02:10 PM (MMC8r)

182 This is almost the third generation of American Feral Youth. This will only get worse and children screw and produce yet another generation with no moral, or any other compass. Buckle up folks.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at May 06, 2014 06:06 PM (jucos)


Thank you!

Culture matters.

Children born out of wedlock for whites - about 25%, latinos - 50%, blacks - 75%.

But at least the education system is set up to give them valuable life skills.



Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 06, 2014 02:10 PM (AC0lD)

183 14 is the new 20

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 06, 2014 02:10 PM (IXrOn)

184 177 "they wanted to eat." They weren't shot in the kitchen. *** Center mass, one hopes.

Posted by: Roscoe at May 06, 2014 02:10 PM (Xv7f/)

185 104 Oh my God. Crazy woman in Sterling case just finalized adopting two African American boys. Can the story get more bizzare? Sorry for O/T but just saw the headline at daily mail (which isn't a tabloid, quit calling it that, they do more real reporting on what happens in America than the NYT, Wa Post and LA Times put together. So they accompany it with bikini clad women, thought you morons liked that sort of thing) Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 06, 2014 05:57 PM (+0txR) Apprentices. (I think Miss V was born Mr. V.)

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 02:11 PM (36Rjy)

186 I have an answer to this problem......

Posted by: Kermit Gosnell at May 06, 2014 02:12 PM (jucos)

187 Buy your honor the two dead yutes needed a sandwich and the this nice older lady already let the one yute in , once before, so there was need for his level of lead poisoning .... You break into a house a second time it's not robbery , try a looting expedition or a trip to the icebox .

Posted by: DrDrill at May 06, 2014 02:12 PM (2psRt)

188 DRUDGE REPORT ‏@DRUDGE_REPORT 2m Caracas to begin water rationing... http://drudge.tw/1mzN563

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 06, 2014 02:13 PM (ZPrif)

189 Q: What do the home-invading shitbirds and Jay Carney "working" offstage have in common? A: Both are well ventilated.

Posted by: logprof at May 06, 2014 02:13 PM (un0yB)

190 133 perhaps the larger issue here is quit asking really stupid people that have no idea what they are talking about "what do you think?" and then putting it on TV Posted by: chelsea danger at May 06, 2014 06:02 PM (9OgGE) I think we refer to them as "News Anchors."

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 02:13 PM (bb5+k)

191 The mutants being interviewed should be made to pay that little old lady back for the cost of the bullets.

Posted by: Framp at May 06, 2014 02:14 PM (Xv7f/)

192 I have 3 sons. I would bet my life they have never posed for a picture showing hand signals like that. It is a tragedy, but I hold the homeowner harmless.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at May 06, 2014 02:14 PM (l3vZN)

193 Forcible entry of an occupied dwelling?
 
Not a single twitch on my sympathy meter.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 06, 2014 02:14 PM (wNF3N)

194 I think these two ideas get conflated by people who can't, or won't, keep them separate. This is the same problem with the slutwalk folks. They confuse "acting stupidly and dangerously" with "deserved to get raped". A woman who gets drunk at a party surrounded by unknown men and wakes up in a strange bed with her clothes gone didn't deserve to be raped because of her actions, but she certainly put herself in a bad position due to her poor judgment. Conservatives in general, I think, like the idea of customs, social norms, and self-restraint because it reinforces positive behavior and minimizes behavior that is risky or that can lead to confusion. This means that the state has to spend less time and energy intruding into every aspect of people's lives in order to determine the truth of an event and carry out justice.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 06, 2014 02:14 PM (lr3d7)

195 You breaks my door in, I breaks my gun in.

Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2014 02:14 PM (J2R4f)

196 Idiots. Elderly people being terrorized. Young teens enter and murder people and rape women. There is currently a double homicide case not too far from Sacramento where a 15 year old broke into a home and stabbed and tortured an elderly couple to death.

Posted by: Pug Justice at May 06, 2014 02:14 PM (3U9Bd)

197 According to one of the youngsters they interviewed, when asked why the boys did this, she replied, "they wanted to eat." This part of the story I believe. My wife, who teaches at a private school, received the public school lunch recently. (The private school has a contract with the local public school which provides the daily Michelle Obama approved lunch.) Anyway, her lunch was a 'spinach salad' -- which consisted of many spinach leaves and some peas. I'm kinda good at calculating calorie content of meals and I'd put that lunch in the 'not consistent with life' category. No shit, it may have been 200 calories at best -- if they had thrown on a stick of butter to sweeten the peas. The USA public school lunch programs are a national scandal that only the North Koreans can envy.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at May 06, 2014 02:15 PM (j1NwQ)

198
Well, that and they were white.
Posted by: ---




White is the new black.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 06, 2014 02:15 PM (kdS6q)

199 Caracas to begin water rationing... Venezuela disappointed Chavez.

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 02:15 PM (MMC8r)

200 On Fox News. Men take over Philly gas station, offer discount for cash. http://preview.tinyurl.com/leugrnv

Posted by: Minority Report at May 06, 2014 02:15 PM (SmyKc)

201 Did they deserve the Darwin Award? That depends on how hard they worked for it and if they had help from their parents.

Posted by: Decaf at May 06, 2014 02:15 PM (Rzj/Z)

202 "they wanted to eat."

Lead sammich.

Posted by: Pennywise at May 06, 2014 02:16 PM (Dwehj)

203 Clear case of bullying by society.

Posted by: Republique De Banana at May 06, 2014 02:16 PM (thLL8)

204 They were hungry?! What, they returned to the scene of their previous crime for dessert? The tales people will tell. Yes, I can see it now. Yute: "Hey, bud! Let's go back to that old lady's house. She has a spread to die for!"

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 06, 2014 02:16 PM (1CroS)

205 I'd bet anything the sister knew what her brother was doing. Did she try to stop him? Tell an adult? How come the adults didn't know? Why were they out so late? Did they see that they had things that did not belong to them or extra cash?

Posted by: Pug Justice at May 06, 2014 02:16 PM (3U9Bd)

206 For what it's worth I probably wouldn't cry for a month or so simply from being in shock and putting off processing the reality of my kid being gone forever... not everyone breaks down immediately in public.

Posted by: Synova at May 06, 2014 02:17 PM (8nebF)

207 The gene pool is just a little bit cleaner as a result of these two criminals getting capped in the progress of their burglary. This needs to happen more often, like every day in commiefornia.

Posted by: John Adams at May 06, 2014 02:17 PM (grJ4r)

208

Hey Buzz. Long time. I would go further and say that there was probably NO parenting involved here. This is almost the third generation of American Feral Youth. This will only get worse and children screw and produce yet another generation with no moral, or any other compass. Buckle up folks.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at May 06, 2014 06:06 PM (jucos)

 

^^^^^^^

This

The second generation was raised by Grandma and sometimes even Grandpa.  The third generation is raising itself.  Their 35 Year old Grandma is hitting the clubs with Mama and her EBT card.  Baby Dadddy and Baby Grand-Daddy are no where to be found. 

 

Feral is unfortunately an apt description. 

Posted by: rd at May 06, 2014 02:17 PM (N7QgG)

209
BTW -- pretty good shooting for that 70 year old guy. Break-in situation, at night, and he drops two.

Pic http://tinyurl.com/nkttbb7


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 06, 2014 02:18 PM (kdS6q)

210 Someone asked my dad, who's 72, why he owned a gun. His answer: "Because I'm too old to fight these little criminals around here and my knees are too bad to run from them."

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 02:18 PM (36Rjy)

211 Not to believe in God is to reject any notions of objective justice in favor of purely subjective, and therefore purely opportunistic conceptions of justice.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 06:04 PM (9W+0f)

 

Not true. While I personally believe God is the Father of logic as well as love, it does not follow that disbelief in a deity inherently and irrevocably leads to adoption of a purely subjective (and fallacious) dialectic. Reason leads to justice; irrationality, injustice.

Posted by: troyriser at May 06, 2014 02:18 PM (gNlvW)

212 Its just a sad story all the way around with the news media simply trying to create whatever controversy they can. Of course the kids friends and family don't think they deserved to die. Who can blame them. And of course some people think justice was served. Who can blame them.

Posted by: SH at May 06, 2014 02:18 PM (gmeXX)

213 1. ... play it again, Muney.

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 06, 2014 02:18 PM (gmrH5)

214 It is a tragedy, but I hold the homeowner harmless. The tragedy started years before the first break-in, and none of it was her fault.

Posted by: HR at May 06, 2014 02:19 PM (/kI1Q)

215 On Fox News. Men take over Philly gas station, offer discount for cash. http://preview.tinyurl.com/leugrnv Creative.

Posted by: Republique De Banana at May 06, 2014 02:19 PM (thLL8)

216 Better than relieved--they're ready to cash in. Again, like Trayvon Martin. Alive, meh. Dead, payday!

Posted by: HR at May 06, 2014 06:10 PM (/kI1Q)

 

 

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Another reason I love living in OK.  If the police say it was a good shoot, the victims family cannot file civil suit against you.

Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2014 02:20 PM (J2R4f)

217 "What Did My Home-Invading Kid Ever Do To Deserve Being Shot While Burglarizing a Home?" So, PARENT(S ) accepting full responsibility for raising a burglar?

Posted by: panzernashorn at May 06, 2014 02:20 PM (gmrH5)

218 I'd be on the porch cleaning my gun till the fools left

Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 06, 2014 02:20 PM (s+Cb9)

219 A thousand time this. The cum dumpster probably has another 6 or 7 ill gotten crotch fruit roaming the hood looking to do the same. Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at May 06, 2014 06:09 PM (jucos) These are people. What is wrong with them is that they were not loaded with the "Civilization Operating system 2.0" , instead they were loaded with the default "Lord of the Flies 1.0". That operating system determines the probability of someone being a decent person or a worthless piece of shit.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 02:20 PM (bb5+k)

220

Mood music

 

http://tinyurl.com/yfocqtq

Posted by: rd at May 06, 2014 02:21 PM (N7QgG)

221 The real theft was Ace swiping from Allah.

Posted by: SH at May 06, 2014 02:21 PM (gmeXX)

222 Stupid is as stupid does.

Posted by: Why_45_CauseTheyDontMake_46 at May 06, 2014 02:21 PM (DlmoZ)

223 "they wanted to eat."

Hollow point soup.

Posted by: Pennywise at May 06, 2014 02:21 PM (Dwehj)

224 I'd say the 70 year brother was a mighty good shot. Thugs.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 06, 2014 02:22 PM (0FSuD)

225 "Fuck the delinquent little fuckers, I never was shot at when I was 14 because my parents raised me to respect other peoples' shit. " I was shot at when I was 16. I was walking down a public trail on my way to an Eagle Scout project. Some jackhole started shooting across a river at us from Reservation land. Probably drunk, the basterd.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at May 06, 2014 02:22 PM (45N4D)

226 A promising future in a long-standing profession cut short.  Oh, the huge manatee.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 06, 2014 02:22 PM (BAS5M)

227 But you better not say that the breakup of the Black Families has anything to do with this because

RACIIIST!

The breakup of the black family forced these two white kids to break into a house? It's just like the lamestream media to cover that up. Good work ferreting out that connection Donna!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at May 06, 2014 02:23 PM (+lsX1)

228 It was assisted suicide. They chose. They died.

Posted by: testing at May 06, 2014 02:23 PM (9R4HJ)

229 r People take in consideration the criminals ages but what about the victims here? She's 68 and he's in his 70s. You take your victims as you find them and the elderly are going to feel more threatened and terrified by a criminals actions. So, you reap what you sow... Again, do the adults every lecture their kids not to commit crimes, what could happen to them or the victim, that there are no second chances if someone is hurt? I doubt it.

Posted by: Pug Justice at May 06, 2014 02:24 PM (3U9Bd)

230 215 On Fox News. Men take over Philly gas station, offer discount for cash. http://preview.tinyurl.com/leugrnv Creative. Posted by: Republique De Banana at May 06, 2014 06:19 PM (thLL I'm trying hard to frown on this. Gas is well over $4 here in LA.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 02:24 PM (36Rjy)

231 The real theft was Ace swiping from Allah. The Ewok has become fully accustomed to the electrical shocks given off by the HotAir invisible fence.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 06, 2014 02:24 PM (8ZskC)

232 "they wanted to eat."

Buckshot pancakes.

Posted by: Pennywise at May 06, 2014 02:25 PM (Dwehj)

233 I love the last line of the stupid TV clip. "This appears to be self defense" Da Huh.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 06, 2014 02:25 PM (0FSuD)

234 the gates doors are locked for your protection, not mine. Posted by: redc1c4 at May 06, 2014 05:46 PM (q+fqH) I don't lock doors to protect the little rapscallions, I lock them as a warning to stay the fuck out- they don't belong there.

Posted by: Bill H at May 06, 2014 02:25 PM (3sZO1)

235 I was shot at when I was 16. I was walking down a public trail on my way to an Eagle Scout project. Some jackhole started shooting across a river at us from Reservation land. Serpentine!!!!!

Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at May 06, 2014 02:25 PM (8ZskC)

236 This is why we steal girls. Bonus : Most schools are in gun-free zones.

Posted by: Boko Haram at May 06, 2014 02:25 PM (qmamX)

237 The breakup of the black family forced these two white kids to break into a house? It's just like the lamestream media to cover that up. Good work ferreting out that connection Donna! Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at May 06, 2014 06:23 PM (+lsX1) I know, I know, read it wrong, But the breakup of "Families" in general is problematic.. Put me in the barrel....

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at May 06, 2014 02:26 PM (9+ccr)

238
Has it been said yet that the leftists don't want this woman to be able to defend herself?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 06, 2014 02:26 PM (hJauc)

239 If they were hungry they should have just borrowed Mom's EBT card.

Posted by: wth at May 06, 2014 02:27 PM (wAQA5)

240 Serpentine!!!!! Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton Yeah, we ran to the other side of a berm and hid there until he stopped shooting. Then we ran. And unlike Hillary!'s tale, this one's true.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at May 06, 2014 02:27 PM (45N4D)

241

11454 You can bet the gun-control freaks will count these two now-dead numbskulls as "child victims of gun violence".

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 06, 2014 05:48 PM (wtvvX)


Ar ya kiddin? They count people the POLICE SHOOT as victims of "gun violence."


Assholes.


Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 05:59 PM (bb5+k)

 

 

Mom Demand Action counted Boston Bomber Speedbump Tsarnev as a victim of gun violence during their bus tour. 

Posted by: rd at May 06, 2014 02:28 PM (N7QgG)

242 Instead of snoop dickity dogg they should have listened to vanilla ice Stupid white boys

Posted by: Navycopjoe at May 06, 2014 02:28 PM (oZ6hC)

243 "they wanted to eat."

A bowl of Kaboom.

Posted by: Pennywise at May 06, 2014 02:29 PM (Dwehj)

244

238
Has it been said yet that the leftists don't want this woman to be able to defend herself?

 

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Of course not!

That's what the police are for!

 

/leftists

Posted by: wheatie at May 06, 2014 02:29 PM (l/M30)

245 "Taking someones life is just another form of theft. If it doesn't belong to you, you have no right to take it."

They ceded their claim on life when they unlawfully entered another person's home in the dead of night.

It's called an occupational hazard.  Dog catchers have to assume they'll be bitten by an animal; burglars have to assume they'll be shot.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at May 06, 2014 02:29 PM (uhMMS)

246 My immediate thought (after having too much to drink too early in the day) is about escalation...the idea that when your opponent uses techniques or instruments that the "rules" (up to this point) forbade, you, in turn, are allowed to call and then raise...to go one step even further than he did. In this case, using the theory that a child shouldn't be shot while in the process of burglering a home, allows me to escalate to parenting. Did you not tell your children that breaking and entering had the potential to result in a good deal of harm? That injury to ones-self was almost certain to result from an attempt to harm, in whatever manner, another human being? My children are not as old as these, only 11 and 10 (just turned) and I'm willing to wager a bet that, if I asked them whether they thought that robbing a stranger - in his own home, mind you - that robbing a stranger might result in their health being negatively affected, I'm almost certain that they would respond in the affirmative. So I might ask, dear parent, had you the opportunity to go back in time and instruct your children - maybe one hour before the events in question - that their behavior is quite imprudent, would you? Once your children have escalated the situation from a responsible, compassionate citizenry to a predatory, injurious society, would you not expect the victim to escalate accordingly?

Posted by: Collide-a-scope at May 06, 2014 02:30 PM (W+ZVw)

247 Allow me to dust off another stupid liberal talking point RE shooting burglars: Stealing a TV isn't a capitol offense. Therefore killing a burglar is use of too much force. It's stupid because it begs the question, why is the burglar there? Maybe it's just to take a TV, or maybe to rape yer daughter. Or maybe they don't know what they're going to do until they get inside.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at May 06, 2014 02:30 PM (45N4D)

248 @220 I think this is better mood music. http://tinyurl.com/be8xj4

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 06, 2014 02:30 PM (0FSuD)

249 #243 I salute you.

Posted by: Synova at May 06, 2014 02:30 PM (8nebF)

250 Questions the media could ask: 1. Why was the kid is foster care if is mother and sister seem to be available to hang out on street corners and whine about him getting shot? Where were the foster parents? 2. The 16 year old has a nice gang-style tattoo on his neck... 16 year old. Where are his parents? Instead, let's focus our reporting on "Why did the widowed homeowner shoot someone after they broke into her house for the second time?"

Posted by: Damiano at May 06, 2014 02:31 PM (j0wOO)

251 I'm not sure why this has gone viral? Most people think homeowner was in the right. Still why are people shocked that family and friends are sad and don't understand why their child/brother/friend got killed. Deep down they may know, maybe one day they will realize it, but for now they just lost someone they cared about. They are sad. I can sympathize with them. There just isn't much of a story here.

Posted by: SH at May 06, 2014 02:31 PM (gmeXX)

252 If I were the homeowner, as soon as the coroner left, I'd be suing the parents for whatever property I lost from the first burglary and the cost of patching up the holes in my walls and getting the blood out of my carpet. They're minors. Parents are legally responsible for their actions, right?

Posted by: Damiano at May 06, 2014 02:31 PM (j0wOO)

253 Has it been said yet that the leftists don't want this woman to be able to defend herself?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 06, 2014 06:26 PM (hJauc)

 

 

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These two perps were white.  I doubt the MFM will stay with this story long enough to say anything about the logic of self-defense.  Whiteys don't get the coverage.  That is, of course, unless they shoot up a school.

Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2014 02:31 PM (J2R4f)

254
The mom's excuse if the the two had wound up killing the woman would have been "they're too young to face the death penalty or life".

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 06, 2014 02:31 PM (hJauc)

255 Mind yer windage and elevation!

Posted by: Zombie John Wayne at May 06, 2014 02:32 PM (BAS5M)

256 Less than an hour until NC polls close, still time for NC morons to make it to their polling place. If I remember correctly, they have the results very quickly after the polls close, like less than half an hour. We'll see.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 06, 2014 02:33 PM (ZshNr)

257 "they wanted to eat." Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.

Posted by: garrett at May 06, 2014 02:33 PM (qmamX)

258 I'd be suing the parents for whatever property I lost from the first burglary and the cost of patching up the holes in my walls and getting the blood out of my carpet. They're minors. Parents are legally responsible for their actions, right? Mental anguish. Even when one is completely in the right, taking a life is supposed to be very taxing on a person's emotional well-being.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at May 06, 2014 02:34 PM (45N4D)

259 As mentioned earlier, this occurred in the next town over. Elderly couple stabbed over 60 times each and eviscerated by a 15 year old. Really sick stuff. http://goo.gl/yASzhM

Posted by: Pug Justice at May 06, 2014 02:34 PM (3U9Bd)

260 117---Terrorizing old people is serious shit, and it's almost as bad as physically attacking them. Posted by: stace at May 06, 2014 05:59 PM (9PXzx) --------------------- THIS. It is hideously cruel to prey on the elderly.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 06, 2014 02:34 PM (dfYL9)

261

247 Allow me to dust off another stupid liberal talking point RE shooting burglars:

 

 

Stealing a TV isn't a capitol offense. Therefore killing a burglar is use of too much force.

 

 

It's stupid because it begs the question, why is the burglar there? 

 

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"Why is the burglar there?"

 

To get Social Justice!

 

If someone has more than you...then, of course, you have the right to take it!

 

/Barky's Thugocracy

 

 

Posted by: wheatie at May 06, 2014 02:34 PM (l/M30)

262 The photos of the dead kids are invariably their holy communion photos or other angelic images

Posted by: McCool at May 06, 2014 02:35 PM (S55CG)

263 Caracas is almost a Caribbean shore city and it has run out of water. Yay socialism!

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 06, 2014 02:36 PM (9MuqI)

264 Where are you all seeing all these clips about the sister and mother, etc.?

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 06, 2014 02:36 PM (0FSuD)

265 If I had two sons...

Posted by: Barack "Ennui Is Me" Obama at May 06, 2014 02:37 PM (FcR7P)

266 O/T Getting a bad feeling about NC Senate Primary. Turn out very low, that helps the quack Brannon.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 06, 2014 02:38 PM (0FSuD)

267 My little baby din' do nuffin!

Posted by: Criminal Mothers Everywhere at May 06, 2014 02:38 PM (JVEmw)

268 The video above shows the sisters of the two boys and the mother of one of them. At least my assumption is she is the mother, that's what they seem to imply in their coverage.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 06, 2014 02:38 PM (+0txR)

269 I deserve more money, or dog food, but I really want the money.

Posted by: Killerdog at May 06, 2014 02:39 PM (RyCdM)

270 The left expects everyone to play their assigned role dutifully.... If you've been targeted as a victim Dont flip the script and defend yourself

Posted by: McCool at May 06, 2014 02:40 PM (S55CG)

271

"What Did My Home-Invading Kid Ever Do To Deserve Being Shot While Burglarizing a Home?"

 

Steal everything out of your smelly purse already?

Posted by: wth at May 06, 2014 02:40 PM (wAQA5)

272 Caracas is almost a Caribbean shore city and it has run out of water. Yay socialism! How much do you want to bet they ban solar stills too? Or tax them $300 / month.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at May 06, 2014 02:40 PM (45N4D)

273 SH it is a story because instead of leaving this as a sad tragedy the families chose to have a candlelight vigil for the victims outside the home of the poor terrorized elderly woman. The families are choosing to make this a story.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 06, 2014 02:40 PM (+0txR)

274 Because, after all, all Atheistic notions of justice are fundamentally opportunistic and/or based on collectivism. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 05:59 PM (9W+0f) You're fucking full of it, you ignorant son of a motherless goat.

Posted by: Athiestic Bill H at May 06, 2014 02:40 PM (3sZO1)

275 This is one of those stories that gets people talking but in the end almost everyone is saying the same thing. Its like the joke I heard on Red Eye the other day. Someone was commenting on how people were saying Donald Sterling's comments were divisive, and the Red Eye guest said they weren't divisive at all because they actually pulled the country together. From what I can tell everyone is in agreement on this story. But hey, it sucked me in, so there. Good trolling.

Posted by: SH at May 06, 2014 02:41 PM (gmeXX)

276 These kids should have watched this movie before they burgled the house:

http://tinyurl.com/jw535rl

Posted by: Harcourt at May 06, 2014 02:41 PM (PQ3tU)

277 I hope her daughter's foster parents would defend the girls too if someone broke into their foster homes at night.

Posted by: Patsy at May 06, 2014 02:42 PM (YXvp3)

278 This story is what bothered me about the trial in MN recently, where a homeowner shot a teenage boy and girl who broke into his home. The guy hid in the basement and shot them both when they came down the steps. Stupidly on his part, he recorded audio of the whole thing, shot the girl twice because the first shot didn't killer her, then got scared and didn't call the police for 24 hours. Things didn't go well for the homeowner. Granted, his actions were a bit over the line, but to me, if you don't break in, you don't get shot. End of story. Prosecuting people for shooting someone who breaks into their home sets a shitty precedent. Invariably, it becomes a case about "Did they deserve it" and delving into information and what-if scenarios for months that there was no time for during a break in. Threaten me or what is mine, you will get shot. If I pull a trigger, I am not looking to scare you, teach you a lesson, or injure you. If you are going to prosecute me for defending myself or my property, then let's stop with the charade and just hang up "come take what you want" signs on everybody's stuff. Might as well, since if they don't outright steal it, they're voting for people to do it for them.

Posted by: Damiano at May 06, 2014 02:42 PM (j0wOO)

279 SH it is a story because instead of leaving this as a sad tragedy the families chose to have a candlelight vigil for the victims outside the home of the poor terrorized elderly woman. The families are choosing to make this a story ---- Well I didn't know they were holding a candelight vigil outside the house. That is unfortunate. But I don't think they are getting much support even from the left. I think most people understand that it is a sad story, but unfortunately, they put themselves in this position. I'm just not sure why I should get all that upset about family and friends being sad.

Posted by: SH at May 06, 2014 02:43 PM (gmeXX)

280 How many times does  something similar like  this happen in a week in this nation?    Why is the MFM singleing this particular case out?   Do they have a  quarterly quota  they have to cover of home-defense shootings? 

Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2014 02:44 PM (J2R4f)

281 They wanted to eat? Did it occur to them to go door to door looking for odd jobs? If they had the energy for a burglary they had the energy to mow a lawn. Or does that fall under jobs American won't do?

Posted by: Epobirs at May 06, 2014 02:44 PM (Icq+V)

282 @16: "And conservatives are usually too dickless to fight back in the framing war."

USUALLY?

Posted by: John Boehner channeling Jim Mora at May 06, 2014 02:44 PM (jnG1p)

283 the families chose to have a candlelight vigil for the victims outside the home of the poor terrorized elderly woman. I missed that part. So it's not enough that the thug brothers broke into her home to terrorize her in the middle of a night, now she's being harassed at her home by the family? That shit's not right.

Posted by: HR at May 06, 2014 02:44 PM (/kI1Q)

284 188 DRUDGE REPORT ‏@DRUDGE_REPORT 2m Caracas to begin water rationing... http://drudge.tw/1mzN563 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 06, 2014 06:13 PM (ZPrif) And who coulda seen that coming? What's next? Food?

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 02:45 PM (bb5+k)

285 258 I'd be suing the parents for whatever property I lost from the first burglary and the cost of patching up the holes in my walls and getting the blood out of my carpet. They're minors. Parents are legally responsible for their actions, right? Mental anguish. Even when one is completely in the right, taking a life is supposed to be very taxing on a person's emotional well-being. Posted by: bonhomme at May 06, 2014 06:34 PM (45N4D) Nah. I'm an honest person. I'd be sleeping much better with two burglars in the morgue and the word out to rob anyplace by my house.

Posted by: Damiano at May 06, 2014 02:46 PM (j0wOO)

286

264 Where are you all seeing all these clips about the sister and mother, etc.?

 

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In the video, above.

 

The two teens, 14 and 16, were white, btw.

And it looks like there is some sort of 'vigil' going on for them...with the sister and mother in the small crowd.

 

But the news people mention that the 14 yr. old was in Foster Care at the time.

They also showed a map of the neighborhood...and how many burglaries have been happening.

Posted by: wheatie at May 06, 2014 02:46 PM (l/M30)

287 Well maybe I am misinterpreting where they are having their weird styrofoam cup candlelight vigil in the video, but it seems to me it is by the woman's house.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 06, 2014 02:46 PM (+0txR)

288 274 Because, after all, all Atheistic notions of justice are fundamentally opportunistic and/or based on collectivism. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 06, 2014 05:59 PM (9W+0f) You're fucking full of it, you ignorant son of a motherless goat. Posted by: Athiestic Bill H at May 06, 2014 06:40 PM (3sZO1) Wouldn't a real "Mirror Universe Mitt Romney" be an atheist?

Posted by: rickl at May 06, 2014 02:46 PM (sdi6R)

289 2. The 16 year old has a nice gang-style tattoo on his neck... 16 year old. Where are his parents? Just like Taarvyon.

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 02:46 PM (MMC8r)

290 My cousin didn't deserve to be killed by her 2 15 year old foster kids, but she was. One will be out of prison by the time she is 25. Still waiting to see if the other one is "Competent" to stand trial.

Posted by: Osoloco at May 06, 2014 02:46 PM (vQAJD)

291 Well, the obvious response to this is that some teenagers are extremely violent. A homeowner who lives in an area where there seems to be out of control criminal behavior, doesn't owe it to the community to wait until after they're shot at or assaulted to protect themselves.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 06, 2014 02:47 PM (mck3/)

292 Wait, isn't this the same case where the guy actually executed the teens point-blank, after they were wounded, and after he had laid out a trap for them?  And if I recall, the executions (including taunting) were all recorded by the guy.  If this is the same case, the guy is NOT gun owner of the year.  Read more details.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at May 06, 2014 02:47 PM (WtVhX)

293 283 I missed that part. So it's not enough that the thug brothers broke into her home to terrorize her in the middle of a night, now she's being harassed at her home by the family? That shit's not right. Posted by: HR at May 06, 2014 06:44 PM (/kI1Q) That's the kind of shit that leads to lynch mobs.

Posted by: rickl at May 06, 2014 02:48 PM (sdi6R)

294 The world is full  of  injustice.  Some of it is outrageous. 

I reserve the right to qualify my outrage.  This one  (the dead  teenagers)  doesn't register terribly high on my outrage meter. 

Posted by: BurtTC at May 06, 2014 02:48 PM (BeSEI)

295 No this is not the Minnesota case. This is in Sacremento.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at May 06, 2014 02:49 PM (+0txR)

296

287 Well maybe I am misinterpreting where they are having their weird styrofoam cup candlelight vigil in the video, but it seems to me it is by the woman's house.

 

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Yeah, that's what it looks like.

Posted by: wheatie at May 06, 2014 02:49 PM (l/M30)

297 Palate cleanser. http://is.gd/x4loDs Later, taters.

Posted by: HR at May 06, 2014 02:49 PM (/kI1Q)

298 Wait, isn't this the same case where the guy actually executed the teens point-blank, after they were wounded, No, it is a different case. That was MN. This is CA.

Posted by: no good deed at May 06, 2014 02:50 PM (ILBCY)

299

A man's home is his castle. I have a wife and young kids to protect. If you break into my home while my family is there, it is a death sentence. No one will be permitted to threaten my family that way. I don't care how old they are. 14 year olds can rape and kill, too.

Posted by: Warden at May 06, 2014 02:51 PM (HzhBE)

300 2. The 16 year old has a nice gang-style tattoo on his neck... 16 year old. Where are his parents? Just like Taarvyon. Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 06:46 PM (MMC8r) The same thing should have happened with St. Skittles. Zimmerman should have countersued the parents for the assault, hospital bills, legal fees and the cost of the bullet. Now THAT would have been a fun trial to watch. Time to start holding parents responsible for their kids again. If we're not going to do that, then enough with legally differentiating between kids and adults.

Posted by: Damiano at May 06, 2014 02:52 PM (j0wOO)

301 Deep down they may know, maybe one day they will realize it, but for now they just lost someone they cared about. They are sad. I can sympathize with them. There just isn't much of a story here. Posted by: SH at May 06, 2014 06:31 PM (gmeXX) If a nephew of mine got ventilated during a B&E, please, Morons, shoot me too if I embarrass myself and my family further by making excuses for him. I'd be sad--sad that the boys weren't raised better.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 06, 2014 02:52 PM (36Rjy)

302 They ceded their claim on life when they unlawfully entered another person's home in the dead of night. It's called an occupational hazard. Dog catchers have to assume they'll be bitten by an animal; burglars have to assume they'll be shot. Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at May 06, 2014 06:29 PM (uhMMS) Do not mistake my comment for being supportive of those two boys who were shot. I was referring to the general sense. When someone murders someone, they take something which does not belong to them, i.e. "theft." It's a general philosophical point, not a specific commentary on these two boys. Yes, the homeowner and her brother were well within their rights to shoot these two. It wasn't a "murder" because it was a lawful killing.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 06, 2014 02:53 PM (bb5+k)

303 @276 No they should have watched THIS movie. http://tinyurl.com/cj5z2k

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 06, 2014 02:53 PM (0FSuD)

304 It was a good shoot.  It's done.  The families of the boys need to go home and mourn, if they know how.

Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2014 02:53 PM (J2R4f)

305 They were just looking for someting to eat. And they found it.

Posted by: RWC at May 06, 2014 02:53 PM (QeH9j)

306 weird styrofoam cup candlelight vigil in the video, but it seems to me it is by the woman's house. She's setting herself up for a CA Senate run.

Posted by: t-bird at May 06, 2014 02:55 PM (FcR7P)

307 Wouldn't a real "Mirror Universe Mitt Romney" be an atheist? Posted by: rickl at May 06, 2014 06:46 PM (sdi6R) My brain hurts too much to process that, but I believe the answer you're looking for is "yes". I just don't patience for some dickbag loudly announcing that I have no moral standing, a sense of justice, or an understanding that most of western criminal law stems from the 10 Commandments. MUMR can go stuff a rusty pinapple sideways up his rectum. He's a big enough asshole, it should fit easily.

Posted by: Athiestic Bill H at May 06, 2014 02:55 PM (3sZO1)

308 Weatie, I saw the one at HA but not here. They are NOT white, they are "Hispanic" True.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 06, 2014 02:55 PM (0FSuD)

309 This story is heartbreaking from both perspectives. I'm sure the 14 year old still had some kind of chance to not be a thug but now he's dead and his family has to suffer. The shooter has to live with having killed two teenagers. That won't be easy. The whole thing just sucks. Based on the number of neck tattoos and nose rings in the video I'd guess this is a "not enough good Dads" situation.

Posted by: Rich at May 06, 2014 02:55 PM (3qE8+)

310 That's the kind of shit that leads to lynch mobs. Posted by: rickl at May 06, 2014 06:48 PM (sdi6R) Who's forming the mob? The homeowner or the jackasses outside? The homeowner has class and isn't out whining to the media about having her home broken into twice, the loss of her possessions or now having to spackle her walls and scrub blood out of her carpet. If the jackasses for a lynch mob, well, I hope the old lady and her brother have more ammo. If not, I volunteer to swing by.

Posted by: Damiano at May 06, 2014 02:57 PM (j0wOO)

311 Now, here's how cold I am......in that MN case...the only thing that bothered me is that the guy was taunting them. That's is totally sick. But hadn't his home also been broken into before, and maybe even by one of the ones he shot? I am probably wrong, but I thought that's why he had a trap laid out, because it had happened before. I could be confusing the two cases. And while I do think crowing about it and taunting them is sickening, I don't feel sorry for those kids, either. (Provided I have the facts correct, which is always a risky proposition) Stay the F outta other people's houses if you ain't been invited in.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 06, 2014 02:58 PM (++4vU)

312 A guy in the UK was expecting his wife and kids when he heard the door bell. Instead he opens the door to a gang who push their way in. One guy has a knife and the homeowner manages to get it away and the crook is stabbed and died. The rest run away. The family of the dead guy sets up a memorial on the home owners lawn - you know, candles, teddy bears, photos, etc. If it was my house, I would have gone out there with some lighter fluid and gotten rid of it as soon as they laid it down.

Posted by: Pug Justice at May 06, 2014 02:58 PM (3U9Bd)

313

308 Weatie, I saw the one at HA but not here.

 

They are NOT white, they are "Hispanic"

 

True.

 

-----------

 

The video above shows them as white, with blondish hair.

The mother and sister are also white and blonde.

Posted by: wheatie at May 06, 2014 02:58 PM (l/M30)

314 Pops must have been a decent hand, wonder what he was shootin ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 06, 2014 03:00 PM (nTgAI)

315 As stated above this is not the MN case. but that case has some extenuating circumstances that not many have read, also. Both are just sad, sad stories. This one? She obviously isn't Mom of the Year with teens that B&E, nose rings and neck tattoos, and then go out to make excuses. Still sad for all involved.

Posted by: shredded chi at May 06, 2014 03:01 PM (MNe+h)

316 @314 If you look at the hole in the door it looks big. Probably a 45, 70 year old guys favorite.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 06, 2014 03:02 PM (0FSuD)

317 310 Who's forming the mob? The homeowner or the jackasses outside? Posted by: Damiano at May 06, 2014 06:57 PM (j0wOO) I meant the jackasses outside. I would regard their presence as threatening, or at the very least intimidating. If the homeowner leaves the house, does she have to walk past that crowd? That sounds like a situation fraught with danger.

Posted by: rickl at May 06, 2014 03:02 PM (sdi6R)

318 I have a friend who is blond-ish, green eyed and Mexican. Her mother is red headed. Lots of fair skinned Mexicans, and there's an entire area of Mexico full of Gingers.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 06, 2014 03:03 PM (++4vU)

319 @114: "They count people the POLICE SHOOT as victims of "gun violence.""

More and more often, the people the police shoot ARE victims.

Posted by: Zombie Vick Weaver & Zombie Jose Guerena at May 06, 2014 03:03 PM (jnG1p)

320 hey y'all what's up? I have mixed feelings about all this, if the homeowner feels threatened, then all bets are off. But in the case of the one dude who seemed to get off on executing the two teens that's something different'. Kids make mistakes, does it mean they deserve to die?

Posted by: spypeach at May 06, 2014 03:03 PM (10H0T)

321 They're dead. What does it matter?

Posted by: Hillary "forward" Clinton at May 06, 2014 03:04 PM (gvSzo)

322 "They wanted to Eat"

That's retarded, sir.  Presumably the 16 year old could have used the money he spent on the neck tattoo on rice & beans instead.  

Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at May 06, 2014 03:05 PM (y5bPZ)

323 tsrblke back at #15, and Colorado Alex beat me to it. So many people have lost site of the distinction between deserving something and being at fault. Deserve is a moral judgment. At fault is cause and effect. I won't go so far as to say a 14-year-old deserves to die for breaking into a home while the people are there. He deserved to get the shit scared out of him. He deserved to get locked up. But he got himself shot doing it, and he was sure as hell at fault. And it's unreasonable to expect a homeowner to bank on the invader's love of humanity to assure her safety.

Posted by: JPS at May 06, 2014 03:06 PM (95W8/)

324 Explosion in Iran. Not sure if it is big or not. http://preview.tinyurl.com/owwb7tr

Posted by: Baldy at May 06, 2014 03:06 PM (2bql3)

325 Another reason I love living in OK. If the police say it was a good shoot, the victims family cannot file civil suit against you.

Posted by: Soona at May 06, 2014 06:20 PM (J2R4f)


You are making me want to move there....

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at May 06, 2014 03:06 PM (IPz9m)

326 ...in that MN case...the only thing that bothered me is that the guy was taunting them. That's is totally sick. Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 06, 2014 06:58 PM (++4vU) If you're cold, then I am a psychopath. From what I recall reading, he wasn't in the basement, calling "Come down here! I got something for ya!" or name calling. He shot the boy and said "You're dead". The girl came down second and he shot her, said, "You're not dead yet", then shot her in the head. In all honesty, I can see myself doing the same thing. Not in a cold, taunting way necessarily. If nothing else, trying to keep my own courage up and burn down the adrenaline that any person would have coursing in their veins in such a tense situation. That said, I wouldn't have recorded it. Though, in fairness to the homeowner, perhaps he knew he lived in a liberal shithole and would likely be prosecuted for shooting burglars, so he was trying to create evidence of them breaking in.

Posted by: Damiano at May 06, 2014 03:07 PM (j0wOO)

327 Did the kid's neck tattoo say "Don't Shoot"? 'Cause if it did, well, then you're not supposed to shoot.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at May 06, 2014 03:07 PM (29vnO)

328 Kids make mistakes, does it mean they deserve to die? If breaking in to someone's house is the mistake they make, there is a distinct possibility death could be the outcome. I'm not saying they "deserve" it, but that may be what they get.

Posted by: no good deed at May 06, 2014 03:07 PM (ILBCY)

329

There is also this :

 

"Neighbors also said the teenagers had apparently threatened the female resident verbally, prompting her to ask a male relative to stay with her at night."

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 06, 2014 03:07 PM (nTgAI)

330 The Richmond/Arlington South Side Strangler, Timmy Spencer, started out as a burglar, too. It didn't take him long to graduate to burglary/rape, and then burglary/rape/murder, then burglary/rape/hours of torture/murder. Only caught him b/c he was stupid enough to jack off onto his victims, giving a clean DNA sample. As for this unfortunate "youth," a hot lead injection is an occupational hazard of burglary into occupied dwellings.

Posted by: imp at May 06, 2014 03:08 PM (OKpiK)

331 The one "friend", in the reporter's question of why they broke into the home, answered "they wanted something to eat?". Of course, that friend sounded like she had a premature case of "smoker's voice" probably from weed, hence her idiotic mindset that the munchies might have been a motive. The 16 year-old had neck tattoos already and looked like a gangbanger. Adults forget that 16 year-olds can be "big"; have they ever watched a JV or Varsity high-school football game before? Some 10th grade linemen top out at 230 lbs...

Posted by: Donovan Nuera at May 06, 2014 03:08 PM (AU+Zb)

332 Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 06, 2014 06:58 PM (++4vU) ---------- You are not wrong, ma'am. It would take me a hot minute to find the link, but: His home was broken into eleven times (by teens he had befriended and hired for odd jobs). Guns, prescription meds, boatloads of money, his service medals, his fathers' gold POW watch from WW2 - all stolen over time. Cops did nothing. These punks terrorized the poor guy, and probably drove him crazy. He hadn't slept in four months, by one account. And I am NOT trying to justify his actions, by any means. just a sad story all around...

Posted by: shredded chi at May 06, 2014 03:08 PM (MNe+h)

333 The girl came down second and he shot her, said, "You're not dead yet", then shot her in the head. That begs the question if, shot once, she was no longer a threat therefore the second shot not being 'self-defense.'

Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 03:10 PM (MMC8r)

334 Can I go off topic, Our neighbor just got a new edger and leaf blower, and they decided right now is the time to try it out... Seriously, your yard looks like shit, your plants and trees are dead, but go ahead and blow a few leaves off your porch douche-bag. These are the same people who knock nests of there deck, regardless of eggs or baby birds... I'm getting another drink...

Posted by: spypeach at May 06, 2014 03:13 PM (10H0T)

335 Posted by: spypeach at May 06, 2014 07:13 PM (10H0T) I sympathize, however, I would be grateful if my worthless neighbors would invest in lawn care equipment and clean up their shithole yard, no matter what the time. While they're at it, maybe the can clean up after their dog an stop it from barking nonstop at all hours of the day and night.

Posted by: Damiano at May 06, 2014 03:19 PM (j0wOO)

336 Why was the 14 year old little angel in "foster care"? Was it because the mom was an unfit parent, or was the kid a completely out of control juvenile delinquent? In either case, his grieving family shouldn't be so surprised he exited the mortal coil in such a violent way. And what is up with his sister with the piercings? She looks kind of young to be pierced like that. I hope the victims aren't staying in their home. To have to look out your window and see the motley crew assembled outside your home as they hold their "vigil" for these miscreants could be kind of intimidating. If you don't want your kid to die a premature, violent death, then teach them to keep their hands to themselves and stay out of other people's houses. With all the property crimes in that area, it is obvious that the cops weren't pursuing any kind of justice. Thank God the innocent victims took it upon themselves to protect their property and themselves. God only knows what could have happened to them!

Posted by: runningrn at May 06, 2014 03:19 PM (OfEk+)

337 California Law used to be that you, the home owner, resident, etc. had the obligation to retreat unless you feared for your life. That is why you always say "I feared for my life". That is really all you have to say. If the kids were back shot on the sidewalk, I will say that the homeowner is about to be in a world of shit.

Posted by: navybrat at May 06, 2014 03:19 PM (JgC5a)

338 That begs the question if, shot once, she was no longer a threat therefore the second shot not being 'self-defense.' Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 07:10 PM (MMC8r) Oh, I see your point, and I have no idea if the girl was threat, but one shot doesn't always incapacitate anyone. Depends on where ya hit 'em and the caliber involved. If I ever have to shoot anyone again, I am emptying my weapon. Damiano, great minds think alike, even among psycopaths! Shredded, thanks for the info, I was pretty sure the poor guy had a bad history with punks being mean to him.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 06, 2014 03:20 PM (++4vU)

339 320 hey y'all what's up? I have mixed feelings about all this, if the homeowner feels threatened, then all bets are off. But in the case of the one dude who seemed to get off on executing the two teens that's something different'. Kids make mistakes, does it mean they deserve to die? I guess you missed the part that the judge didn't allow as admissible evidence. Those kids in MN had a lengthy relationship with this man. He felt sorry for them, allowed them to stay with him for a while, and they stole stuff from him and made his life a living hell. Daily Mail ran the story. There was more than what had been reported.

Posted by: runningrn at May 06, 2014 03:23 PM (OfEk+)

340 There was more than what had been reported. Not sure if we are talking about the same story, but the one I am referring too, the dude was obviously no longer in danger, but decided to go ahead and kill the kids because he was pissed. That's just bullshit. I believe in defending yourself, but that is not what this is.

Posted by: spypeach at May 06, 2014 03:26 PM (10H0T)

341 it's not about the skin color. it's about the "thug" culture that is present in almost all large cities. ain't much of a difference, a gang is a gang.

Posted by: seamrog at May 06, 2014 03:26 PM (FNmUA)

342 @70 Cicero "What ever happened to just humanely "winging" the bad guy? I see that on TV all the time." I once had a Irishman tell me a few years ago, "US soliders don't have to kill people, they could just shoot the weapons out of their enemies hands." I thought he was taking the piss, but he assured me he was serious. It's laughable in a way, but then you realize these people breed and vote.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at May 06, 2014 03:28 PM (gvSzo)

343 Stopwatch, Damiano, I'm not sure if that is worse than my neighbors across the street - he keeps a meticulous lawn (even pays a service to come spray monthly), but brings his gas blower out three times per day. Seriously. Early Morning, comes home at lunch, and then again in the evening, he's out there with a blower for twenty minutes. Weekends are worse. I've seen him in pouring rain with the blower in one hand, and an umbrella in the other. Everyone on the block hates him (I'm told even his wife). I think I'd rather have renters with a weedlot over there.

Posted by: shredded chi at May 06, 2014 03:28 PM (MNe+h)

344 Posted by: --- at May 06, 2014 07:10 PM (MMC8r) Fair question. Two issues come to my mind: 1. If a perp broke into my house and isn't dead, then they may still be a threat. It's beyond reasonable doubt that a person that commits burglary is not concerned with laws or morality. Perhaps they are armed and decide to shoot me when I lower my gun. 2. Unfortunately, if a perp leaves the house alive, you will be sued and, most likely, lose. I didn't create this problem, lawyers and liberals did. It is not my goal or ambition to murder people. I own guns to protect myself and my property. If someone puts themselves in a situation where I shoot them, I don't stop pulling the trigger until they don't get up anymore. Like I mentioned earlier. The only thing that matters in my mind is that perps broke into a house. Everything following that is 'what-if' scenarios. Don't break into a house and you won't get shot. End of story.

Posted by: Damiano at May 06, 2014 03:29 PM (j0wOO)

345 On The Simpsons, Rev. Lovejoy's wife is known for wringing her hands and saying 'Won't anyone think of the children?'

Well, indeed I will.

The children inside the house that is being robbed that is.

Posted by: shibumi at May 06, 2014 03:34 PM (25HWz)

346 Posted by: shredded chi at May 06, 2014 07:28 PM (MNe+h) Sorry, you're situation sounds terrible... but I LOL'd at the blowing with an umbrella in the rain. I'm just pissed off about my neighbors dogs. I've got one next door who's dog has a piercing bark and goes nonstop. Behind, the neighbors have at least 4 dogs, 2 of which are amazingly loud basset hounds. I work from home a lot and have people on the phone ask if I live in a dog kennel... when I am in my home office. I can sleep through leaf blowers. Not these dogs.They can drown out my surround sound system at full blast. Not kidding.

Posted by: Damiano at May 06, 2014 03:36 PM (j0wOO)

347 Does a 14 year old deserve to die for being stupid and tagging a freeway overpass Gravity and hard concrete along with oncoming traffic don't care if he's a stupid 14 year old

Posted by: kbdabear at May 06, 2014 03:54 PM (aTXUx)

348 After reading the article, I come to the following conclusions:

The grieving mothers gave birth to those teens solely to be Federal meal tickets.

The grieving family members are grieving publicly because they smell that they can somehow get money this way.


Posted by: Null at May 06, 2014 04:06 PM (xjpRj)

349 Vic, Mother Teresa had a rap sheet longer than your Johnson. Kidding. I know nothing about Vic's Johnson, and I'd like to keep it that way.

Posted by: Average Guy at May 06, 2014 04:21 PM (hQqPo)

350 Just remember some basic common sense -

1 - When seconds count, the police (aka Five-Oh) are many minutes away

2 - Fruit from a poison tree is still often poison

3 - when in doubt, Mr. Sig-Sauer, Colt, and Smith\Wesson, along with Double-tap, are your only friends

4 - If at first you don't succeed, fire another round until they stop moving

5 - Nothing promotes civility like proper marksmanship practice, steady hold\aim, and fire control. Neighbors detest 'misses'

6 - Best to be judged by six than carried by twelve

Posted by: fred zeppelin at May 06, 2014 04:34 PM (YuUoQ)

351 I'm far from saintly, but I like to think that if one of my close relatives turned up dead burglarizing some old lady's house for the second time, I would have sense enough to ask some important questions before too many hours passed: 1. Is any of the stuff he stole the first time still in the house? 2. If not, can we get it back from whatever friend he gave it to, or the pawnshop he sold it to? 3. If either of those is a 'yes', what would be the best way to go about getting the stuff back to its rightful owner, with apologies? Interesting that such questions don't seem to even occur to friends and families of today's thugs. Explains a lot about how they turned out that way, doesn't it?

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at May 06, 2014 04:45 PM (g5mwZ)

352 Eff 'em.  Preying on a widow.  Good riddance.

Posted by: Dang at May 06, 2014 05:21 PM (MNq6o)

353 A quote from the Samuel L. Jackson's character in A Time to Kill seems apropos here: "Yes they deserved to die and I hope they burn in hell."

Posted by: Dancing Queen at May 06, 2014 05:43 PM (FDGeg)

354 Plenty of people have been murdered by teenage intruders.  Age does not atuomatically include innocence when teenagers are involved.  Don't do the crime if you can't do the time (or any other consequences thereof).

Posted by: ron n. at May 06, 2014 06:06 PM (c7HxG)

355 Few people "deserve" to die of AIDs.

Few drunk drivers "deserve" to die in a crash.

Few fatties "deserve" to die of heart disease.

Even fewer smokers "deserve" to die of lung cancer.

But they still bear the blame for their deaths.

You break into my house and I will shoot you. You may not "deserve" to die, but you will die all the same, and it will only be your fault.

Posted by: Wilkey at May 06, 2014 06:48 PM (9kIAq)

356 I'd say the little Fokkers got what was coming to them. If their parents and siblings can't teach them not to burgle people's houses, well t.s. as they say in the Marines. Don't let the 9 mm hit you in the back on the way out the door--but better you never came in anyway.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at May 06, 2014 07:52 PM (wdHk6)

357 I have to file this as "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes".

Posted by: Cybrludite at May 07, 2014 01:59 AM (GDpMq)

358 Hm. My capacity to feel empathy towards those kids is just not showing up anywhere.

Posted by: NR Pax at May 07, 2014 02:57 AM (4yiek)

359 Do I think a 14 year old "deserved" to die so young? I think that EVERY 14 or 16 YO gangbanger who assaults someone with the "knockout" game should be shot on sight.

Posted by: Hangtown Bob at May 07, 2014 05:40 AM (Fu43g)

360 97 i look at this as just being an extremely late term abortion, which is perfectly acceptable in the leftard moral structures, so why are they so bent out of shape over this?
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Philip K. Dick wrote a short story in the '70s on this idea.  Apparently parents somehow had gained the "right" to "abort" their children all the way up until the child's 6th birthday.  Kids who made it past that mark would lord it over the 5-year-olds: "My folks wanted to keep me!"

This shooting was just the logical extension of that idea up to age 16, I guess.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 07, 2014 06:31 AM (QVyxQ)

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