January 21, 2014

What I Learned on Wikipedia Today
— Ace

I love Wikipedia. I actually love it. I get lost for hours in it.

It's just so amazing: Virtually every subject you could possibly have an interest in, briefly explained, all at your fingertips.

A gigantic hyperlinked encyclopedia.

So, here's what I discovered today. Actually, I discovered four things, but this is the most interesting, I think.

Anyone ever hear of the "frequentive form" of a word? It's a process by which one inflect a word to indicate repeated or intense action.

This is actually a thing in English. Or at least it was. In older versions of English, you could just add -le or -er to a verb (usually a verb) to indicate a repeated action of that verb. You'd have to make some minor spelling changes to make sure the word flowed properly.

Now, we can't do this anymore. I can't say that I wankle instead of "wank" to indicate the repetitive mechanical fury with which I abuse myself, whirring and sparking like a misfiring industrial robot.

But you used to be able to do this in English, and everyone would understand what you were saying, because people understood the convention of adding -er or -le to a verb to indicate frequency or intensity.

But some "frequentive" forms of words became so widespread that they became words in their own right, which survive in English to this day. A great list is here, but here are some of my favorites:

bat --> batter. Repeatedly bat.

pat --> patter. Repeatedly pat. Like rain on a roof.

swathe --> swaddle. Repeatedly swathe.

wrest (as in seize) --> wrestle. Vigorously, continue "wrest" someone.

daze --> dazzle.

crack --> crackle. Okay that one is obvious, but did you know there was a specific rule for forming the frequentive form? So shut up.

bob --> bobble.

jig (the dance step or skip) --> jiggle.

float --> flutter. (How awesome is that?)

gleam --> glimmer. It's so obvious now, isn't it?

wade --> waddle. There you go. Makes perfect sense.

pool --> puddle. I guess it probably had a "poodle" transitional form.

Okay, now guess where jostle comes from, employing the rules and pattern above.

If you guessed

joust --> jostle

...then you guessed right.

Here's my absolute favorite. They slightly changed the spelling here, as they did with "swathe" and "puddle."

But you know where slither comes from?

Guess.

Well, here's the answer:

slide --> slither

Is this awesome or am I just easily amused?

The Problem Is... Per "Tom Delay," in the comments:

The problem with wikipedia is it's a a vast sinkhole of information. You
look up one thing and suddenly it's 4 hours later and you're reading an article on Antman.

Literally LOLed, because yeah, I've done that. And I did end up on Antman.

On this timesuck phenomenon of the "Wikiwander," Last Refuge of a Scoundrel sends this blogger's recounting of the various odd places that Wikipedia hyperlinks have taken him.


Posted by: Ace at 03:46 PM | Comments (615)
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1 Here's a piece of string, ace. Knock yourself out.

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 03:47 PM (doBIb)

2 And a laser pointer.

Posted by: NCKate at January 21, 2014 03:48 PM (x6fKj)

3 I admit, I consult Wikipedia to read about the plots of movies I never intend to see. Saves me time.

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 03:49 PM (doBIb)

4 It is awesome indeed.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2014 03:49 PM (P6QsQ)

5 no seriously isn't that cool?

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 03:49 PM (/FnUH)

6 Is this awesome or am I just easily amused? Not mutually exclusive.

Posted by: imp at January 21, 2014 03:49 PM (L9AnB)

7 Awesome or easily amused...why choose just one?

Posted by: Mayday at January 21, 2014 03:50 PM (eHc+1)

8 you de man

Posted by: newrouter at January 21, 2014 03:50 PM (dsgCY)

9
Five years ago you called this a TIMESUCK.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 03:50 PM (gYIst)

10 Wouldn't slither come from slider?

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 03:50 PM (doBIb)

11 You really need to get out more.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at January 21, 2014 03:50 PM (uzmcT)

12 "(M)isfiring industrial robot" made me choke on my beer.

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 21, 2014 03:50 PM (r5w1L)

13 Very interesting and no, I didn't know it. Then again, a bit of a language geek here, so consider the audience.

Posted by: imp at January 21, 2014 03:50 PM (L9AnB)

14 That is pretty interesting. It's not something you normally think about.

Posted by: loneduck at January 21, 2014 03:51 PM (4Fbu2)

15 Yes, and yes.

Posted by: mugiwara at January 21, 2014 03:51 PM (3a584)

16 Ok, so did turns into diddle?

Posted by: NCKate at January 21, 2014 03:51 PM (x6fKj)

17 "I can't say that I wankle instead of "wank" to indicate the repetitive mechanical fury" but you can say "wanker"

Posted by: imp at January 21, 2014 03:51 PM (L9AnB)

18
Yes, this is how lexicons are created.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 03:51 PM (gYIst)

19 We are currently watching the series "The Adventure of English". Just finished volume two. Fascinating stuff.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2014 03:51 PM (P6QsQ)

20 Ace It seriously is. I was not being sarcastic.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2014 03:53 PM (P6QsQ)

21 Anyone who rags on Wiki is a snobbish twit. Mind, it isn't immune from problems, but as a gateway of knowledge, it is a goldmine.

Posted by: JJ Stone at January 21, 2014 03:53 PM (4oSMi)

22 per this source, no, diddle didn't come from did, but from some other word. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/diddle

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 03:53 PM (/FnUH)

23 Ahhh English.   The language that ruffies other languages, drags them into the alley, beats the crap out of them and then rummages through the pockets looking for words. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 21, 2014 03:54 PM (Gk3SS)

24 I failed.

Posted by: NCKate at January 21, 2014 03:54 PM (x6fKj)

25 If you're looking for a time suck go back to pron.

Posted by: Average Moron at January 21, 2014 03:55 PM (Aif/5)

26 no seriously isn't that cool?

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 07:49 PM (/FnUH)



Dude, I still read dictionaries.  For fun.


I'm in no position to judge.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 21, 2014 03:55 PM (Gk3SS)

27 Wait -- where do we complain that Wikipedia is run by leftists and bitch and moan and vow to have nothing to do with this free trove of human knowledge and insult the manhood of anyone who would and then make vague references to the coming burning times and our off the grid bunker in Idaho?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 03:56 PM (ZPrif)

28
Not only did I take courses with Tom Nichols, I also took courses on the history and structure of the English language with a semi-esteemed professor by the name of William Donoghue.

The Great Vowel Shift, are any of you aware of it?


Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 03:56 PM (gYIst)

29 >>>Wouldn't slither come from slider? nah, you're not seeing the pattern. the pattern is to take the infinitive of the verb and add -er or -le. "Slider" isn't the infinitive; it's the verb slide turned into a noun, slider, one who slides. the rule would be to take the verb itself, slide, and change that.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 03:56 PM (/FnUH)

30 easily amused.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 03:56 PM (x3YFz)

31 Ace Have you seen that series? It's from Athena Learning.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2014 03:56 PM (P6QsQ)

32 It's called a Wikiwander, and there are some good examples of them here:


http://tinyurl.com/k8wfvld

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 03:56 PM (yh0zB)

33 @29 Yes, I am.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2014 03:57 PM (P6QsQ)

34 etymology is fun, but kinda like the huge fat girl:  never let your friends see you do it.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 03:57 PM (x3YFz)

35 Wankel rotary engine!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at January 21, 2014 03:57 PM (HsTG8)

36 >>>The Great Vowel Shift, are any of you aware of it? great vowel shift... hmmm, no, I know about the shift from pf --> p in German to English, and other consonant shifts... hmmm... I think I've heard of this but I don't actually know what it is. Except that it would involve vowels shifting. Greatly. When was this, what is this.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 03:57 PM (/FnUH)

37 Seriously, though, Wikipedia is very cool and very useful. Except on highly charged political topics then it's very annoying and dominated by unemployed autistic leftists.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 03:57 PM (ZPrif)

38 I like wankle and henceforth plan to use it in conversations and writing whenever possible.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at January 21, 2014 03:57 PM (kUgpq)

39 I saw a show on History channel called The History of English. It sounds like some boring ass shit but it was really interesting.

Posted by: The Penetrator at January 21, 2014 03:58 PM (LHgfw)

40 >>>float --> flutter<<<



I object. Nothing fluttery about floaters.

Posted by: a plumber at January 21, 2014 03:58 PM (3bbd3)

41 Actually, Ace, it's still sort of true. To take your example... "wank" -- > "wanker" Why yes I am a linguistics dork.

Posted by: Saber Alter at January 21, 2014 03:58 PM (8V74Y)

42 AoSHQ: come for the snark, stay for the cunning lingualism!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at January 21, 2014 03:59 PM (HsTG8)

43 30 >>>Wouldn't slither come from slider? nah, you're not seeing the pattern. the pattern is to take the infinitive of the verb and add -er or -le. "Slider" isn't the infinitive; it's the verb slide turned into a noun, slider, one who slides. the rule would be to take the verb itself, slide, and change that. Well, I suck at grammar.

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 03:59 PM (doBIb)

44 Yeah, the Great Vowel Shift is why old poetry no longer rhymes. It used to.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 03:59 PM (ZPrif)

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at January 21, 2014 03:59 PM (kUgpq)

46 The problem with wikipedia is it's a a vast sinkhole of information. You look up one thing and suddenly it's 4 hours later and you're reading an article on Antman.

Posted by: Tom Delay at January 21, 2014 04:00 PM (hFL/3)

47 It's awesome, Ace.

Posted by: Stevie G at January 21, 2014 04:00 PM (x/lJo)

48 Thanks for that interesting post, Ace. I too am a wiki addict and just a day or two ago discovered the "Bristol Stool Scale." Check it out. I'm trying to find a large wall-sized poster of the BSS to hang in my dining room.

Posted by: BarneyOffal at January 21, 2014 04:00 PM (ul4Lc)

49 Ace, the etymologist.

Now, I know we've completely lost.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 04:00 PM (x3YFz)

50 Ooops, go away Tom Delay.

Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 04:01 PM (hFL/3)

51 Dude, I still read dictionaries. For fun. I'm in no position to judge. ::: shifty eyes ::: Pssst. Wanna see my OED?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 21, 2014 04:01 PM (yz6yg)

52 Can't wait until you stumble upon the history of linoleum. Fuckin' kick ass!! Woooh!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 21, 2014 04:01 PM (+lsX1)

53 I spent hours on wiki one night following links to all these old 60s rockers who OD'd or drank themselves to death.

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 21, 2014 04:01 PM (E4MKN)

54 Is this awesome or am I just easily amused?-Acee Easily. Amused. But we won't hold that against you.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 21, 2014 04:01 PM (HVff2)

55 Slither and slide do not make any sense, does it?

Posted by: prescient11 at January 21, 2014 04:01 PM (tVTLU)

56 I believe the Vowel Shift happened just prior to the printing of the Tyndale Bible, am I right? The printing of which kind iof cemented spellings and word usage.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2014 04:01 PM (P6QsQ)

57 48 The problem with wikipedia is it's a a vast sinkhole of information. You look up one thing and suddenly it's 4 hours later and you're reading an article on Antman.

Posted by: Tom Delay at January 21, 2014 08:00 PM (hFL/3)

just don't look up anything you're an "expert" on.

Trust me here.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 04:01 PM (x3YFz)

58 I vote both.

Posted by: Boone at January 21, 2014 04:01 PM (AeoaE)

59 Speaking of Wikipedia and English, they have a version in Old English: http://ang.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hēafodtramet Also a "Simple English" one: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page So kind of them to set up one just for the Vice-PresidentÂ… ***** On a side note, bring back the letter "Þ"!

Posted by: Þe Political Hat at January 21, 2014 04:02 PM (XvHmy)

60 Awesome.

Posted by: Obamacare is an abortion at January 21, 2014 04:02 PM (qo8gP)

61 So, what do you call one of those little metal toys that you pump with two fingers and a disk spins around making an optical illusion and it throws off colored sparks? What's it called?

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 21, 2014 04:02 PM (E4MKN)

62 I saw The Great Vowel Shift open for The Wankers in '88.

Posted by: model_1066 at January 21, 2014 04:02 PM (LIQGY)

63
ho --> whore --> horrible

Posted by: Wendy Davis And Her Black Bile Karma at January 21, 2014 04:03 PM (x/lJo)

64 >>Now, we can't do this anymore. I can't say that I wankle instead of "wank" to indicate the repetitive mechanical fury with which I abuse myself, whirring and sparking like a misfiring industrial robot. You have a gift. Granted, one that would have probably had you shunned in decent society if not burned at the stake in an earlier time, but one that is perfect for these times.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2014 04:03 PM (g1DWB)

65 "Wait -- where do we complain that Wikipedia is run by leftists and bitch and moan and vow to have nothing to do with this free trove of human knowledge" Unless you are looking for political stuff Wikipedia is a great resource. I'm a keen gardener so a lot of the time I start there first.

Posted by: Decaf at January 21, 2014 04:03 PM (6wg34)

66 Ace needs a girlfriend.

Posted by: Daily Reminder Guy at January 21, 2014 04:03 PM (6j8ke)

67 Fools! Words have no meaning anymore. Period

Posted by: Barky at January 21, 2014 04:03 PM (aDwsi)

68 I sent the link to this to my English geek wife. 90% she says, "I knew that." 10,% she says "cool." 5% she says "what a dumb post, who did this a stupid cat."

Posted by: traye at January 21, 2014 04:04 PM (0o1vp)

69 NCKate, actually, it's possible you're right. I don't like Free Dictionary. Merriam-Webster says 'etymology unknown." "Diddle" apparently means swindle (and the sexual ones too), and I can see "he did me wrong' becoming "diddle," and then, like all words for "screw" or "nail" or "penetrate" become synonyms for "have sex with," it would become dirty.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 04:04 PM (/FnUH)

70
Unless you are looking for political stuff Wikipedia is a great resource. I'm a keen gardener so a lot of the time I start there first.

Posted by: Decaf at January 21, 2014 08:03 PM (6wg34)

just don't look up any historical figures of any even remote note.  All have leftist twists and omissions.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 04:04 PM (x3YFz)

71 Also, pro-tip for any young'ens lurking. Sure your teacher says wikipedia isn't a source...but if you scroll on down to the bottom of the page you can site a "real" source without bothering to read it. Not that I ever did that. No no no.

Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 04:04 PM (hFL/3)

72 Ok. That does it. I'm hereby all official like and shit using my position of Marginally Honorable Chairman to start the Ace Needs A Blowjob Fund.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 04:04 PM (GEICT)

73 So now we know the etymology of Harry Wenkler.

Posted by: Boone at January 21, 2014 04:05 PM (AeoaE)

74 The history of language is fascinating, one reason being it acts as a track of migrating populations. The conquerors and the conquered.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2014 04:05 PM (P6QsQ)

75
GVS is actually complicated and you need a chart to help understand it. Wiki does a poor job of explaining, as with everything they attempt to explain.

It has to do with sound changes. Fricatives, and all that shit.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 04:05 PM (gYIst)

76 Ace does cute? Who knew ?

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at January 21, 2014 04:05 PM (acQMa)

77 Did we not discuss the Great Bowel Shift the other day when we beat to death the Amazon review of the maltitol-laden gummi bears?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at January 21, 2014 04:05 PM (HsTG8)

78 ::: shifty eyes :::

Pssst.

Wanna see my OED? Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 21, 2014 08:01 PM (yz6yg)



Why, yes, yes, I do.


Knowing stuff is awesome. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 21, 2014 04:06 PM (Gk3SS)

79 68 Ace needs a girlfriend. Posted by: Daily Reminder Guy at January 21, 2014 08:03 PM (6j8ke) No, he needs a puppy: He'll get exercise. It's a chick magnet. It will get him away from the compute.

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 21, 2014 04:06 PM (E4MKN)

80 just don't look up anything you're an "expert" on.

Trust me here.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 08:01 PM (x3YFz)




Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 04:07 PM (yh0zB)

81 Granted, one that would have probably had you shunned in decent society if not burned at the stake in an earlier time, but one that is perfect for these times. "About wank and wankle, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter. " - Ace d'Arc 1431 A.D.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 21, 2014 04:07 PM (yz6yg)

82 There's a youtube series that got linked here a few years ago called "The History of English in Ten Minutes.  Its pretty entertaining, and I'm sure you've got ten minutes to kill if you haven't seen it yet ace.

Posted by: buzzion at January 21, 2014 04:07 PM (LI48c)

83 Fun!

Posted by: mossomo at January 21, 2014 04:07 PM (MscWH)

84 Only day 1 of Polar Vortex v. 2.0. I fear for ace"s sanity.

Posted by: RWC at January 21, 2014 04:07 PM (Q6HBD)

85 It has to do with sound changes. Fricatives, and all that shit. -------------------------- Bi-labial fricatives? Because those are my favorites.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 04:07 PM (aDwsi)

86 That's awesome. I for one love your word-nerdery, ace.

Posted by: Gypsy at January 21, 2014 04:07 PM (Pej6C)

87 I miss the days when you were getting lost for hours in pursuit of tan-line centric porn. Felt like I could really relate to you back then.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 21, 2014 04:07 PM (+lsX1)

88 Ace is ignoring me. I'm all hurt like and stuff.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2014 04:07 PM (P6QsQ)

89 Is this awesome or am I just easily amused? - Little of Column A, Little of Column B. _ Archer Vice - _ Boop.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 21, 2014 04:07 PM (NQyj0)

90 Jiggle.

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2014 04:08 PM (zXm/c)

91 76 The history of language is fascinating, one reason being it acts as a track of migrating populations. The conquerors and the conquered.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2014 08:05 PM (P6QsQ)

Astute!  You can use dialects and languages fairly well and apply them to geography.  Throw a little bloodshed into the equation and you can track empires.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 04:08 PM (x3YFz)

92

The language that ruffies other languages, drags them into the alley, beats the crap out of them and then rummages through the pockets looking for words. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 21, 2014 07:54 PM (Gk3SS)

 

 It beat the merde out of me and robbed me blind, the pig-dog.

Posted by: The French language at January 21, 2014 04:08 PM (R3gO3)

93
spark --> sparkle

Posted by: Stevie G at January 21, 2014 04:08 PM (x/lJo)

94
oh perfect! when in doubt, always look to Harvard:

forget wiki's explanation of GVS, here's a simple version of GVS

http://sites.fas.harvard.edu/~chaucer/vowels.html

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 04:08 PM (gYIst)

95 Why, yes, yes, I do. Knowing stuff is awesome. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 21, 2014 08:06 PM (Gk3SS) Indeed. THe OED was where I first learned how to forge "meretricious" and "catamite" into a correct sentence.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 21, 2014 04:08 PM (yz6yg)

96 Astute! You can use dialects and languages fairly well and apply them to geography. Throw a little bloodshed and pussy into the equation and you can track empires. Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 08:08 PM (x3YFz) Fixed.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 04:09 PM (GEICT)

97 bat-->battle? bot-->bottle? rid-->riddle? I can understand your fascination w/ an online encyclopedia. Like some here I used to read one just for fun. OK, yeah, I was a real nerd. The coolest was a few years ago when at the museum we were given an old encyclopedia, it was an undated early Brittanica. By doing some reading I found it was from 1818, as it stated Illinois would become a state later in the year. It had all kinds of cool entries, totally obscure now. Advisors to Turkish sultans, obscure ethnic groups/tribes...I'm gonna dig it out when I go to storage next time. Thanks for making me think of this. (Like a need another way to waste time besides AoSHQ. JK gaining more knowledge is never a waste of time!)

Posted by: The Farmer at January 21, 2014 04:09 PM (eBupg)

98 Fapple

Posted by: Roy at January 21, 2014 04:09 PM (tiOTz)

99 81 68 Ace needs a girlfriend. Posted by: Daily Reminder Guy at January 21, 2014 08:03 PM (6j8ke) No, he needs a puppy: He'll get exercise. It's a chick magnet. It will get him away from the compute. Posted by: Judge Pug at January 21, 2014 08:06 PM (E4MKN) Other uses for a puppy: Hobo lure Stir fry ?

Posted by: model_1066 at January 21, 2014 04:09 PM (LIQGY)

100 I will give the leftists props on understanding the importance of semantics.  He who establishes the words owns the debate.

Posted by: Icedog at January 21, 2014 04:10 PM (uZ6Ul)

101 What happens when you talk to cops in their language? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH5MZbHyg8o&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Posted by: traye at January 21, 2014 04:10 PM (0o1vp)

102 ur ok ace..i oughta know~

Posted by: Lady Billingsgate at January 21, 2014 04:10 PM (/rmVP)

103 Explains why people call Obama a fucker.

Posted by: Roy at January 21, 2014 04:10 PM (tiOTz)

104 I'm hereby all official like and shit using my position of Marginally Honorable Chairman to start the Ace Needs A Blowjob Fund.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 08:04 PM (GEICT)



Ah, the Sex for Money Skankathon 2014...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 04:10 PM (yh0zB)

105 Reporting for Duty, Ace! _

Posted by: .. Kempt, Sheveled, and Ruly at January 21, 2014 04:10 PM (NQyj0)

106 Also, pro-tip for any young'ens lurking.


Sure your teacher says wikipedia isn't a source...but if you scroll on down to the bottom of the page you can site a "real" source without bothering to read it.

Not that I ever did that. No no no. Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 08:04 PM (hFL/3



Once upon a time, I failed some students for handing in briefs that cited to Wikipedia.   There was much bitching and moaning and I pointed out that the syllabus had in all caps and bold if you cite to Wikipedia you will receive a failing grade on the project.


Then I asked them why I had that rule.  There was a bunch of not reliable, can be edited by anyone, not authoritative, not recognized source.  I replied, yeah, sure, but the real reason you're failing is for not being smart enough to cite to the original source that Wikipedia is citing.

I swear I heard the pennies dropping. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 21, 2014 04:10 PM (Gk3SS)

107 Hmmm,  the word wanker is very British, and of course its cousin is the word "bugger."  Now, I don't think wanker fits  here, but bugger surely does.

Which, I guess comes from bug.  As in, if you poke someone in the rear once, you're bugging them.  In order to bugger, you must.... well, you know. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2014 04:11 PM (BeSEI)

108 'Jiggle' should have had a link to the Blurred Lines Brunette.

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2014 04:11 PM (zXm/c)

109 "just don't look up any historical figures of any even remote note. All have leftist twists and omissions." T9, if I smell a rat I check with another source.

Posted by: Decaf at January 21, 2014 04:11 PM (6wg34)

110 86 Only day 1 of Polar Vortex v. 2.0.

I fear for ace"s sanity.

Posted by: RWC at January 21, 2014 08:07 PM (Q6HBD)

Side note and totally disjointed from this conversation:  Vortex was the name of an imaging satellite used by (insert 3 letter agency here) during the late 80's.  It's declass.  Every time I see the name I think of that and the KH11 Crystal.

/old school

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 04:11 PM (x3YFz)

111 ...and I think Ace should start with a house plant before he commits to a puppy.

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2014 04:12 PM (zXm/c)

112 I spend most of my time on Boobpedia. Wikipedia  can also be useful.

Posted by: Ronster at January 21, 2014 04:12 PM (kj1eu)

113 I like the way you think, atc.

Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 04:12 PM (hFL/3)

114 Who is VOTETX?  They just called for a poll on the upcoming elections in TX.  I'm guessing they must be a Republican polling firm since they only had two choices for sex.  And no I don't mean positions.

Posted by: ryukyu at January 21, 2014 04:13 PM (C6XFd)

115 Bi-labial fricatives?

Posted by: Mike Hammer


HOLLA'!

Posted by: Rachel Madcow [/i] [/b] at January 21, 2014 04:13 PM (cxs6V)

116 ""Diddle" apparently means swindle (and the sexual ones too), and I can see "he did me wrong' becoming "diddle," and then, like all words for "screw" or "nail" or "penetrate" become synonyms for "have sex with," it would become dirty. " Oh diddley my!

Posted by: Ned Flanders at January 21, 2014 04:13 PM (NQyj0)

117 Ah, the Sex for Money Skankathon 2014...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 08:10 PM (yh0zB)



Wait, so we're pimping out BC and Bannion to get ace beejers?


I am strangely okay with that.


brb fetching purple felt hat with huge feather

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 21, 2014 04:13 PM (Gk3SS)

118 If there's a bustle in your hedgerow,  don't be alarmed now. 

It's  just a bunch of wimmins out there, shakin'  'em.   

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2014 04:14 PM (BeSEI)

119 76 The history of language is fascinating, one reason being it acts as a track of migrating populations. The conquerors and the conquered. Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2014 08:05 PM (P6QsQ) -- The evolution of English is a great example of that process. It is amusing to track the various sources for words. Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 08:04 PM (hFL/3) --Shoots death ray at the blabbermouth. Don't make cheating by net worse than the present disaster.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at January 21, 2014 04:14 PM (acQMa)

120 Wait, so we're pimping out BC and Bannion to get ace beepers? Ahem. We're businessmen Thankyouverymuch.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 21, 2014 04:14 PM (yz6yg)

121 The controlling rule here is Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem. Though conventionally considered only in the context of mathematics, it has philosophical implications as well. Fundamentally, no formal system can be both consistent, and complete. Live with it bitches.

Posted by: The Universe. at January 21, 2014 04:14 PM (aDwsi)

122 86 Only day 1 of Polar Vortex v. 2.0.

I fear for ace"s sanity.

Posted by: RWC at January 21, 2014 08:07 PM (Q6HBD)

We need a Vegas Moron meet up.  Everyone drops $100 for bail money first, though.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 04:15 PM (x3YFz)

123 I enjoy the detailed character analysis you can find on most TV characters. Most of the ones I've read are very well written and accurate. But yeah, Politics-- forget it.

Posted by: Kas(ktgreat) at January 21, 2014 04:15 PM (Bl4dy)

124 Fundamentally, no formal system can be both consistent, and complete. Yeeeah, ummmmm, about that...

Posted by: God[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 21, 2014 04:16 PM (yz6yg)

125 If you guessed joust --> jostle Weird. I lost a protracted 'Joust' comment to the hamsters this afternoon...on the football thread.

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2014 04:16 PM (zXm/c)

126 Ace, can you conjugate the verb "fap" for us?

Posted by: Icedog at January 21, 2014 04:16 PM (uZ6Ul)

127 Fundamentally, no formal system can be both consistent, and complete. Live with it bitches.

Posted by: The Universe. at January 21, 2014 08:14 PM (aDwsi)

mass of the electron.

O W N E D!

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 04:16 PM (x3YFz)

128 so let me see if I get the hang of this

"Sandra Fluke fuckled the entire Sixth Fleet on a Friday night"


is that using the frequentive form correctly?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 21, 2014 04:16 PM (9GG/0)

129
I thought crack ----> creepy ass cracker

Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at January 21, 2014 04:16 PM (n0DEs)

130 "Wait, so we're pimping out BC and Bannion to get ace beejers?" You guys are talking about virtual ones, aren't you?

Posted by: Decaf at January 21, 2014 04:16 PM (6wg34)

131 You left out "wanker" there, china.

Posted by: a random aussie at January 21, 2014 04:16 PM (vuh7l)

132 >>> The history of language is fascinating, one reason being it acts as a track of migrating populations. The conquerors and the conquered. Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2014 08:05 PM yup... i'm kind of fascinated by this, early migration stuff, even though I know nothing about it at all.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 04:16 PM (/FnUH)

133 74 Ok. That does it. I'm hereby all official like and shit using my position of Marginally Honorable Chairman to start the Ace Needs A Blowjob Fund. I'm always available to a pour soul in need.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 21, 2014 04:17 PM (dvRYt)

134 Wait, so we're pimping out BC and Bannion to get ace beejers? I am strangely okay with that. brb fetching purple felt hat with huge feather Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 21, 2014 08:13 PM (Gk3SS) Don't make me use the Marginally portion of my title...

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 04:17 PM (GEICT)

135 "Shoots death ray at the blabbermouth. Don't make cheating by net worse than the present disaster.' Not cheating. Streamlining. Utilizing wikipedia as a source clearinghouse.

Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 04:17 PM (hFL/3)

136 "catamite" - A small catamount, no? I'm guessing here..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 04:18 PM (aDwsi)

137 You guys are talking about virtual ones, aren't you? Maaaaybe.

Posted by: Huggy Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 21, 2014 04:18 PM (yz6yg)

138 so if BC is a successful pimp, does that mean he "pimples"?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 21, 2014 04:18 PM (9GG/0)

139 brb fetching purple felt hat with huge feather

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 21, 2014 08:13 PM (Gk3SS)



You should have the purple rain outfit to go with that.



http://tinyurl.com/mbpalpq

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 04:19 PM (yh0zB)

140 We need a Vegas Moron meet up. Everyone drops $100 for bail money first, though. Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 08:15 PM (x3YFz) That will take care of the incidents that happen from the plane to the cab.

Posted by: RWC at January 21, 2014 04:19 PM (Q6HBD)

141 I was told there would be no grammar on this blog...  Actually I like learning the origins of things, so that's very cool.

And ignore the haters Ace, brainy is the new sexy. You just need to go somewhere in NYC where somewhat intelligent females congregate, who appreciate a man taking interest in this sort of thing, and languages, and politics, but are not all hipster feminist libs trying to be pretentiously sophisticated. Not sure where this mythical land is but we'll find it for you...

The Edmund Burke section of the NY Public Library?


Posted by: LizLem at January 21, 2014 04:19 PM (BF+2f)

142 Batman is to Batmite as Catwoman is to Catamite.

Posted by: --- at January 21, 2014 04:19 PM (MMC8r)

143 can't say that I wankle instead of "wank" to indicate the repetitive mechanical fury with which I abuse myself,

Tell me about it.

http://tinyurl.com/mpx3mbp

Spelling errors allowed for fap joke.  AoSHQ #6-7/8s

Posted by: Jujiro Matsuda[/i][/b][/s] at January 21, 2014 04:20 PM (DL2i+)

144

Btw, I support assange because that trumped up rape charge was such a joke.

 

Has anyone ever read why he was wanted "for arrest".  It's a laugh in yr face joke if it wasn't so serious.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 21, 2014 04:20 PM (tVTLU)

145 Talk about getting caught up in the gears

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/nei-ruffino-02.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 21, 2014 04:20 PM (XrwRV)

146 So, is twit related to twaddle? Not that I read the Post or anything...

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2014 04:20 PM (zXm/c)

147

Here's a bit of language trivia I picked up from a Bill Bryson book: In the Middle Ages, furniture, even the furniture in aristocratic castles, was pretty rough-hewn. Tables were basically just boards placed on saw horses, which could be cleared out of the way quickly, since "great halls" were used for dining and sleeping. The dinner guests gnawing on slabs on meat sat on long benches. Chairs were rare and normally reserved for the Lord of the Manor - or the Chairman of the Board.

 

That's also why we say "room and board." I find it fascinating that a term used to describe dining arrangements in the 12th century has survived as a business term into the 21st, even though the feminists now insist on "chair" instead of "chairman."

Posted by: Donna V. at January 21, 2014 04:20 PM (R3gO3)

148 That will take care of the incidents that happen from on the plane. to the cab. Posted by: RWC at January 21, 2014 08:19 PM (Q6HBD) Maybe.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 04:20 PM (GEICT)

149 Fondle just means I really REALLY like the boys. 

Posted by: Harry from Searchlight at January 21, 2014 04:20 PM (BeSEI)

150
An example: The word myne in oh 1400 would be pronounced as "meen" not mine.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 04:20 PM (gYIst)

151 Do I smell a "Hangover IV" in the making?

Posted by: Icedog at January 21, 2014 04:20 PM (uZ6Ul)

152 Waffle?

Posted by: BignJames at January 21, 2014 04:20 PM (j7iSn)

153

I see pot use is more widespread than I had imagined.

Radical steps may be called for.  Radical steps.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 21, 2014 04:21 PM (BZAd3)

154 Muffle.

Posted by: NCKate at January 21, 2014 04:21 PM (x6fKj)

155 Everyone drops $100 for bail money first, though.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 08:15 PM (x3YFz)




yeah...that's not gonna be nearly enough...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 04:21 PM (yh0zB)

156 i found an etymology that says "riddle" traces from the english "read" so yeah it might be the frequentive form of read. (If you imagine it had a transitional meaning of "pour over, attempt to decipher," before it came to mean "puzzle.")

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 04:22 PM (/FnUH)

157 Getting lost in Wikipedia? HAH! Getting sucked into TVTropes is so much worse.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 21, 2014 04:22 PM (h53OH)

158 This morning I was looking up Indo-European languages. Ended up at the proto-Germanic languages.  Found this:
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/books/pgmc01.html#1_5

Apparently most languages are "government" languages: the verb governs - controls - what is the subject and what is the object. This is true of base Indo-European as well. ... using the classical, 1800s definition of "Indo-European".

But if we expand "Indo-European" to include the newly-discovered language Hittite: we get a pre-Indo-European. Because Hittite split off before our ancestors invented the horse-drawn chariot. And pre-Indo-European was not a government-language. It was an agreement-language, where the verb might change based on whether it dealt with an animate or an inanimate subject.

I suspect that proto-Afro-Asiatic was similar. It blew my mind when I found out that Hebrew had a feminine verb form. Turns out same is true of Arabic. Which means it goes back to Semitic. And maybe Egyptian / Coptic, and Berber.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 21, 2014 04:22 PM (Xfl0F)

159 154 Do I smell a "Hangover IV" in the making? Posted by: Icedog at January 21, 2014 08:20 PM (uZ6Ul) See ya later, ghey boys!

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 04:22 PM (doBIb)

160 Yiddish is a fascinating mix of Jewish, Germanic and Slavic languages.

Posted by: Decaf at January 21, 2014 04:22 PM (6wg34)

161 151 That will take care of the incidents that happen from on the plane. to the cab.

Posted by: RWC at January 21, 2014 08:19 PM (Q6HBD)



Maybe.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 08:20 PM (GEICT)

We time it up to coincide with SHOT show 2015 and the annual Pr0n extravaganza at the Hard Rock.  What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 04:23 PM (x3YFz)

162 yeah...that's not gonna be nearly enough... Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 08:21 PM (yh0zB) FYI, for the next NoVAMoMee there is a curious quirk about Virginia CCW permits. You can carry concealed in a barÂ….you just can't drink any alcohol at the same time. The more you know!

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 21, 2014 04:23 PM (yz6yg)

163 Don't make me use the Marginally portion of my title... Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 08:17 PM (GEICT)


You brought it up.

So to speak.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 21, 2014 04:23 PM (Gk3SS)

164 TV Tropes is also a big timewaster. Also, about 1/3 of the way through Captain Phillips and it's great so far. As with United 93, you know the story and the ultimate outcome yet Greengrass still delivers with the tension and drama. Now time to refill my wine glass.

Posted by: logprof at January 21, 2014 04:23 PM (X3GkB)

165 159 i found an etymology that says "riddle" traces from the english "read" so yeah it might be the frequentive form of read. (If you imagine it had a transitional meaning of "pour over, attempt to decipher," before it came to mean "puzzle.") Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 08:22 PM (/FnUH) Yep. Bannion, call us to order. We need to get the fund up and running IMMEDIATELY.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 04:23 PM (GEICT)

166 Cud and cuddle...  just wrong.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 21, 2014 04:23 PM (BZAd3)

167 so let me see if I get the hang of this

"Sandra Fluke fuckled the entire Sixth Fleet on a Friday night"

I hear she suckled them too. 

Posted by: no good deed at January 21, 2014 04:23 PM (vBhbc)

168
You want another interesting timesuck?

I present to you the Etymology dictionary. Be prepared to be un-bored for a while.

http://www.etymonline.com/

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 04:23 PM (gYIst)

169

The history of language is fascinating, one reason being it acts as a track of migrating populations. The conquerors and the conquered.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2014 08:05 PM 

_____________________

Alle bør være snakker norsk!!!

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at January 21, 2014 04:24 PM (jucos)

170 > 40 I saw a show on History channel called The History of English. It sounds like some boring ass shit but it was really interesting. Posted by: The Penetrator Here here!. That was an amazing series.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 21, 2014 04:24 PM (h53OH)

171 170 pud and puddle. Wronger.

Posted by: NCKate at January 21, 2014 04:24 PM (x6fKj)

172 We time it up to coincide with SHOT show 2015 and the annual Pr0n extravaganza at the Hard Rock. What could possibly go wrong? Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 08:23 PM (x3YFz) Everything.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 04:24 PM (GEICT)

173 >>>An example: The word myne in oh 1400 would be pronounced as "meen" not mine. makes sense.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 04:24 PM (/FnUH)

174 A columnist for the old Chicago Herald American, (used to be 4 or 5 dailies at that time) Sidney Harris, had a once-a-week column titled, "Things I learned on the way to looking up other things."  And he didn't even have Wikipedia, or Google or even  a computer!  Good times, I tell ya, good times.

Posted by: nannieboobot at January 21, 2014 04:24 PM (CUiZA)

175 I know what you mean, Ace. I've always been fascinated by the etymology of food names. Take the Dingleberry for example...

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at January 21, 2014 04:25 PM (zXm/c)

176 155 -

Wife  =  one hole.

Waffle = many holes. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2014 04:25 PM (BeSEI)

177 be-->beer

Posted by: rickl at January 21, 2014 04:25 PM (sdi6R)

178 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 08:21 PM (yh0zB) --------------- FYI, for the next NoVAMoMee there is a curious quirk about Virginia CCW permits. You can carry concealed in a barÂ….you just can't drink any alcohol at the same time. The more you know! Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 21, 2014 08:23 PM (yz6yg) You have no idea how funny that is.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 04:25 PM (GEICT)

179 What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 08:23 PM (x3YFz)




I love this plan! We should do this...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 04:25 PM (yh0zB)

180 You can't help but hear the Scandi when Olde English is spoken. Makes me proud .

Posted by: grammie winger at January 21, 2014 04:25 PM (P6QsQ)

181 If you really want to get sucked into a site - that's SFW - checkout Listverse.

Posted by: Icedog at January 21, 2014 04:25 PM (uZ6Ul)

182 Alle bør være snakker norsk!!!

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at January 21, 2014 08:24 PM (jucos)

tfk did he just call me?

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 04:26 PM (x3YFz)

183 Getting sucked into TVTropes is so much worse.
Especially the lesbian-linked ones.
So I've been told.
By a stranger.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 21, 2014 04:26 PM (vuh7l)

184 EC - http://www.bijin-snap.com/2014/01/22/no-1131/page/7/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 21, 2014 04:26 PM (XrwRV)

185 [iu]You can't help but hear the Scandi when Olde English is spoken. Makes me proud . There's a little iceback in all of us.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 21, 2014 04:26 PM (yz6yg)

186 You can carry concealed in a barÂ….you just can't drink any alcohol at the same time.

The more you know!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 21, 2014 08:23 PM (yz6yg)




Same in NC...as long as the bar isn't posted...




*looks pointedly at EC*

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 04:26 PM (yh0zB)

187 Cutie!

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 04:27 PM (doBIb)

188 You know what's a real time killer?

Firefox with one tab open to AoSHQ
And the other to wikipedia.


Four hours is for pikers.
On a snowy day....8 hours easy.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice, heteronormative vagitarien at January 21, 2014 04:27 PM (kFCo1)

189
Do you know where "walrus" came from?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 04:28 PM (gYIst)

190 190 You can carry concealed in a barÂ….you just can't drink any alcohol at the same time. The more you know! Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 21, 2014 08:23 PM (yz6yg) Same in NC...as long as the bar isn't posted... *looks pointedly at EC* *looks at TR*

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 04:28 PM (doBIb)

191 The Great Vowel Shift, are any of you aware of it? 'Tis a Grimm subject, in a brotherly sort of way. And Neuhochdeutsch uses the "-er" suffix the way that English uses "more" or "most."

Posted by: Fox2! at January 21, 2014 04:28 PM (cHwSy)

192 You know what's a real time killer? Firefox with one tab open to AoSHQ And the other to wikipedia. THIS. Oh, and add in Tiny URL too.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 21, 2014 04:28 PM (yz6yg)

193 On a snowy day....8 hours easy.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice, heteronormative vagitarien at January 21, 2014 08:27 PM (kFCo1)




well...it did snow a little today...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 04:28 PM (yh0zB)

194 " Actually, I discovered four things, but this is the most interesting, I think." I probably shouldn't ask this but....what were the other 3 things?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 21, 2014 04:28 PM (bCEmE)

195 Fapper?

Posted by: Y-not at January 21, 2014 04:28 PM (zDsvJ)

196 Do you know where "walrus" came from? Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 08:28 PM (gYIst) Walrus was PaulÂ…

Posted by: John Lennon at January 21, 2014 04:28 PM (XvHmy)

197 >>yup... i'm kind of fascinated by this, early migration stuff, even though I know nothing about it at all. Study Latin and the Roman Empire. Tedious at times but it explains a very great deal.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2014 04:29 PM (g1DWB)

198 >>>I hear she suckled them too. suckle absolutely has to come from suck. mmm... turns out no, according to M-w.com, which claims it's the other way around -- suckle (or something like that) came from German or something, and then suck maybe got back-formed from that http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/suckle But THIS SOURCE... http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=suckle&searchmode=none says yes, suck --> suckle, and says that the "suckling" word is only attested as of the 15th Century -- so probably suck --> suckle, not the other way around.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 04:29 PM (/FnUH)

199 And 'cornholing' too, Anderson.

Posted by: don lemon at January 21, 2014 04:29 PM (vuh7l)

200 >>>Study Latin and the Roman Empire. Tedious at times but it explains a very great deal. i'm kind of more interested in earlier migrations than that. but yeah, i'll do that.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 04:29 PM (/FnUH)

201 Funny you brought up Wikipedia because getting lost in it was just what I was doing right before, and among the hundreds of pieces of useless but intriguing bits of information I picked up was that King Faisal of Saudi Arabia was a  huge Grateful Dead fan. They  dedicated their album Blues for Allah to him after he was assassinated by his nephew in 1975.

Posted by: JoeyBagels at January 21, 2014 04:29 PM (Usdw3)

202 The article as a whole says that languages which are adopted by other people will inevitably go S V O, like English.

And like spoken Arabic. In classical Arabic, it's S O V; it's only supposed to go SVO if you signal it in advance with inna, like in sura 4 (inna Allâha kâna...). But nobody speaks classical Arabic, nobody ever spoke classical Arabic. The Baghdad shopkeeper, who was probably ethnic Persian anyway, just used the SVO order and to Jahannam with starting inna.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 21, 2014 04:29 PM (Xfl0F)

203 I've done teh wander with Wiki but also with Cracked and, of course, nothing is worse than You Tube. You start out watching Hall and Oates, follow that to Smokey Robinson's 'Ooh Baby, Baby' and the next thing you know you've watched Billie Holiday, George Clinton, Jimmy Durante, clips from old movies, clips of old cars, and finally, somehow end up watching videos of cats. Hours of that. The internet is beautiful and evil.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2014 04:30 PM (DmNpO)

204 159 'pore'..., just saying. * ducks*

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 04:30 PM (aDwsi)

205 >>bat --> batter. Repeatedly bat. new post = nood Therefore, "noodle" means repeatedly jump to the newest post while leaving at least one moron talking to his- or herself on the old post.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 21, 2014 04:30 PM (SUKHu)

206 Wiki provides sources, but if its use prevents them from learning to search through the actual article or book; then they never learn to research. All they learn is how to find online cliff notes. It's already so out-of-control. Not only do we have to purchase turnitin.com because students copy online publications, now they can buy canned or original essays written by online sources. When you explain footnotes or an F, they gape at you, and wail wwhhyyy?

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at January 21, 2014 04:30 PM (acQMa)

207 suckle absolutely has to come from suck. mmm... turns out no, according to M-w.com, which claims it's the other way around -- suckle (or something like that) came from German or something, and then suck maybe got back-formed from that http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/suckle But THIS SOURCE... http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=suckle&searchmode=none says yes, suck --> suckle, and says that the "suckling" word is only attested as of the 15th Century -- so probably suck --> suckle, not the other way around. Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 08:29 PM (/FnUH) BANNION!!!! Call it man. Quickly. Come on Sergeant at ArmsÂ….call us to order so we can make the fund official.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 04:30 PM (GEICT)

208 The morning after the NoVAMoMee, BCochran awakens to find those umbrella drinks were really strong.

http://tinyurl.com/kvv6gv5


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 21, 2014 04:31 PM (XrwRV)

209 193 Do you know where "walrus" came from? Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 08:28 PM (gYIst) Koo koo ka choo?

Posted by: BignJames at January 21, 2014 04:31 PM (j7iSn)

210 Therefore, "noodle" means repeatedly jump to the newest post while leaving at least one moron talking to his- or herself on the old post. I thought that was "willower"

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 21, 2014 04:31 PM (yz6yg)

211 >>>I saw a show on History channel called The History of English. It sounds like some boring ass shit but it was really interesting. i'll look that up. probably online. I'll see what Wikipedia says about it. LOL. but no I'll really look it up on Wikipedia.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 04:31 PM (/FnUH)

212 So does this mean that Faple is a word?

Posted by: johnd01 at January 21, 2014 04:31 PM (r0+v0)

213 Lmao at AP.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 04:32 PM (GEICT)

214 SOV = Shit Outta Vuck?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 21, 2014 04:32 PM (vuh7l)

215 BANNION!!!! Call it man. Quickly. Come on Sergeant at ArmsÂ….call us to order so we can make the fund official. Do you? Yeah? You? Yeah. All opposed? The meeting is now called to order.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 21, 2014 04:32 PM (yz6yg)

216 Is there a wiki entry for AoSHQ?

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 04:32 PM (doBIb)

217 No really! Is there?

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 04:32 PM (doBIb)

218 You bastards. Who is Antman?

Posted by: Fritz at January 21, 2014 04:32 PM (TKFmG)

219 Is there a wiki entry for AoSHQ? **** Yup

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2014 04:33 PM (DmNpO)

220 220 Is there a wiki entry for AoSHQ? Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 08:32 PM (doBIb) Well ace is mentioned on the Wiki Kaboom cereal page. So he's got that goin' for him....

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 21, 2014 04:33 PM (bCEmE)

221 so, if douche --> douchle, when Mr Moo Moo comes by, we can say "don't douchle up the blog"

Posted by: chemjeff at January 21, 2014 04:33 PM (9GG/0)

222 True Fact: After the Mojito, the Fapple is the second most popular cocktail in San Francisco.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at January 21, 2014 04:33 PM (zXm/c)

223 Is there a wiki entry for AoSHQ? Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 08:32 PM (doBIb) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_of_Spades_HQ

Posted by: Þe Political Hat at January 21, 2014 04:33 PM (XvHmy)

224 In my world, ALL adjectives could me modified with "er" or "est".

"This one is gooder, but that one is the goodest!"

Posted by: Icedog at January 21, 2014 04:33 PM (uZ6Ul)

225 yeah, wiki's cool. I was researching old comics I collected and accidentally digested some spoilers. Damn it, I can't believe the Marvel New Universe gave up on Justice so fast. Powerpack and psiforce too. And then when watchmen came out, finding out the ending while reading about the cool rorsarch*. * again when hyper liberals write dystopias and anti-heroes, they invariably create heroes...cool heroes...and end up projecting their own crap.** ** all fictional dystopias are the fault of conservatives, eh, while all the real ones are liberal.*** *** I forgot this comment.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 21, 2014 04:33 PM (iHJAJ)

226 Who cares about Antman.  You should wonder who Booster Gold is.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 21, 2014 04:33 PM (XrwRV)

227 No shit! I thought that just fooling around and never bothered to verify. Well....

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 04:33 PM (doBIb)

228 I was reading somewhere earlier today that a new Alzheimers theory is that old peoples thinking slows down due to their brains getting full of STUFF.

Very good chance that I will come dow....
wait....
what were we talking about again?

Where am I?



I think I soiled myself.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice, heteronormative vagitarien at January 21, 2014 04:34 PM (kFCo1)

229 The meeting is now called to order. Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 21, 2014 08:32 PM (yz6yg) Thank you. As Marginally Honorable Chairman I hereby suspend normal procedure and proceed directly to a vote. All in favor of establishing and contributing to the Ace Really Needs A Beej FundÂ…say Aye. AYE

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 04:34 PM (GEICT)

230 >>I thought that was "willower" No, no. Noodle can either be transitive or intransitive. So you can, and often do, say: "We just noodled Willow."

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 21, 2014 04:34 PM (SUKHu)

231 I've been sitting here trying to come up with one, but I got nothing. This is my favorite so far:

Fondle just means I really REALLY like the boys.
Posted by: Harry from Searchlight at January 21, 2014 08:20 PM (BeSEI)

Posted by: mugiwara at January 21, 2014 04:34 PM (3a584)

232 I think ace meant to say "all the words we could have done this too, we have done this too," not that we can't do it anymore.* * plus we have cooler other ways to do it.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 21, 2014 04:34 PM (iHJAJ)

233 "don't douchle up the blog"

Chickens everywhere will thank us.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 21, 2014 04:35 PM (Xfl0F)

234 Skid => skedaddle

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 21, 2014 04:35 PM (g4TxM)

235 Canoodle.

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2014 04:35 PM (zXm/c)

236 The site frequently employs obscenity and vulgar language, setting it apart from most conservative media outlets. Oh my TROLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 04:35 PM (doBIb)

237 So you can, and often do, say: "We just noodled Willow." I think I will. Repeatedly. Oh, you were talking about the blog. Never mind.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 21, 2014 04:35 PM (yz6yg)

238 Point of Order: "straight" blowjob amendment moved.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 21, 2014 04:35 PM (vuh7l)

239 >>>Skid => skedaddle i was wondering where skedaddle came from but couldn't think of a word it could have come from. are you guessing this or did you find it? seems plausible.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 04:36 PM (/FnUH)

240 "Dude, I still read dictionaries. For fun."

---------

We should start a support group.  As a kid, I used to surf the pre-web web - also know as the Encyclopedia Britannica.  When I was in the mood for pRon the other 23 hours a day, I would break out the old National Geographic issues.

Posted by: sluggo at January 21, 2014 04:36 PM (vVv3V)

241 3 I admit, I consult Wikipedia to read about the plots of movies I never intend to see. Saves me time. Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 07:49 PM (doBIb) I do the same exact thing lol.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 21, 2014 04:37 PM (oFCZn)

242 **Is there a wiki entry for AoSHQ?** let me guess: homophobic racist blogger who frequently is racist and homophobic, known most for misogynistically attacking well known and respected guardians of the flame of knowledge like Jezebel and other feminist luminaries. Like many conservative writers, the writing style is reminiscent of a first grader's crayon drawings. Obviously Jayzus southerner who hates like all the right hates.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 21, 2014 04:37 PM (iHJAJ)

243 If you're only able to noodle Willow, you've had too much valurite

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 21, 2014 04:37 PM (Xfl0F)

244 >>i'm kind of more interested in earlier migrations than that. Gotcha. Latin is kinda dull to study, not a big demand for using it pretty much anywhere, but it explains lots of the conjugation issues you raised.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2014 04:37 PM (g1DWB)

245
*looks at TR*

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 08:28 PM (doBIb)




lol...what made it worse...all of the parking garages are posted, too, so there wasn't even the option of locking it in the car.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 04:37 PM (yh0zB)

246 I skiddled at the White House... again.

Posted by: al roker at January 21, 2014 04:37 PM (vuh7l)

247 Vegemite is NOT vegetables!

Posted by: Cicero Kid is NOT a cheese-perv. at January 21, 2014 04:37 PM (tcK++)

248
Only three more years of Obastard.

*raises fist, curses the fate of my times*

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 21, 2014 04:38 PM (n0DEs)

249 I ad to go read the Wiki entry. Not bad.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2014 04:38 PM (DmNpO)

250 "fondle" does indeed seem to be a frequentive form of the now-obselete word "fond," which had a similar meaning (caress), but fondle probably became more popular because caressing is generally done "intensely." So the intense, repetitive form would displace the original. And fond I guess came to mean how Harry Reid feels about male children with no body hair. http://www.wordreference.com/definition/fondle

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 04:38 PM (/FnUH)

251 This Antman thing has endless possibilities. Â…Â….brb

Posted by: ontherocks at January 21, 2014 04:38 PM (J2C8C)

252 hmmm I think I skiddled and noodled into the snow outside my house and now I am going to boodle some beer.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 21, 2014 04:38 PM (iHJAJ)

253 And now I know where the word scrapple came from. 

Posted by: no good deed at January 21, 2014 04:38 PM (vBhbc)

254
Soothsayer here,

a couple of 9th century scandi explorers, Ohthere and Wulfstan, described the things they witnessed as they sailed along the coast of Finland or wherever.

They saw animals in the water they described as horse-whales...

walruses.

Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 04:38 PM (gYIst)

255 >>Canoodle. That's for when there's a new weekend specialize topic post AND a new open topic post. Actually, that should be "Twanoodle" with the "tw" sound found in two, twin, twilight, etc.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 21, 2014 04:38 PM (SUKHu)

256 anyone have the goods on 'subtle'?

Posted by: obamuh at January 21, 2014 04:39 PM (2whSJ)

257 We should start a support group. As a kid, I used to surf the pre-web web - also know as the Encyclopedia Britannica. When I was in the mood for pRon the other 23 hours a day, I would break out the old National Geographic issues. *** For my birthday every year I wanted to go fishing and asked for reference books. My favorites were the almanacs but I DREAMED of having a set of Encyclopedia Britannica.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2014 04:40 PM (DmNpO)

258 >>>Gotcha. Latin is kinda dull to study, not a big demand for using it pretty much anywhere, but it explains lots of the conjugation issues you raised. oh I've read a bit on the vulgarization of Latin into the proto-romance and then romance languages and stuff like that. that's very interesting. I spent a week researching Lingua Franca. Ever look into that? Very cool stuff. But as far as migrations, I want to know where the Gauls and Celts and Ligurians and whoever came from, before settling in europe.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 04:40 PM (/FnUH)

259

So ace are you going to watch the new season of King of the Nerds?  You seemed to like the first one

 

Posted by: buzzion at January 21, 2014 04:41 PM (LI48c)

260 What's also fun is looking up which have migrated over to English from somewhere else. Such as....galore from the Irish go leor

Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 04:41 PM (hFL/3)

261 Kaboom => kaboodle

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 21, 2014 04:41 PM (g4TxM)

262 "I saw a show on History Channel called The History of English." There is also a production titled Story of English from 1986. Or are they one and the same?

Posted by: Decaf at January 21, 2014 04:41 PM (6wg34)

263
Wank>>>wanker

Fap>>>fapper

Posted by: Reggie Love at January 21, 2014 04:41 PM (pJF+c)

264 For any of you interested in the evolution of languages and cultures, Thomas Sowell has a great book, "Conquests and Cultures".   Highly recommended!

Posted by: Icedog at January 21, 2014 04:41 PM (uZ6Ul)

265 So the frequentive form of "dumb" is "democrat"?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 21, 2014 04:41 PM (pFqpP)

266 >>>All in favor of establishing and contributing to the Ace DC Really Needs A Beej FundÂ…say Aye. Aye. Send all contributions to Radcliffe Jewelers, c/o Cougar.

Posted by: DC in Towson at January 21, 2014 04:42 PM (eQJwb)

267 Like how the peasants called cows cows but the meat that they cooked for the upper class beef. So you have fowls and poultry. SOmehow, this is related to todays dial 1 for english...

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 21, 2014 04:42 PM (iHJAJ)

268 >>anyone have the goods on 'subtle'? From the Latin subtilis.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2014 04:42 PM (g1DWB)

269 So the frequentive form of "dumb" is "democrat"? *** that's funzle

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 21, 2014 04:42 PM (iHJAJ)

270 Scrapple seems to come into being by a different rule -- adding -le to a noun creates a diminuitive (like adding -et to indicate a minor version, Baron --> Baronet). so similar rule, similar process, but using -le to make a noun diminuitive. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=scrapple

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 04:42 PM (/FnUH)

271 I spend a few minutes on the Jumble every day. I am struck by the number of potential 'words' that are easily pronounced, and yet unclaimed as yet. I have pondered attaching meaning to some so-far unused spellings, just to see if the usage might proliferate. Example - 'Confusement'

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 04:42 PM (aDwsi)

272 AYE

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 04:43 PM (yh0zB)

273 Ok, after NDH mentioned there was a wiki entry for Ace of Spades HQ, I had to check it out. Wow. That there is a treasure trove of entertainment.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2014 04:43 PM (TGgNi)

274 Just guessing on 'skedaddle' but it seems to fit.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 21, 2014 04:43 PM (g4TxM)

275
Origin of SKEDADDLE

 probably alteration of British dialect scaddle to run off in a fright, from scaddle, adjective, wild, timid, skittish, from Middle English scathel, skadylle harmful, fierce, wild, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Norse skathi harm — more at scathe

First Known Use: 1860

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 21, 2014 04:43 PM (n0DEs)

276 273 >>anyone have the goods on 'subtle'? From the Latin subtilis. They named a bacteria after that too. B subtilis.

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 04:43 PM (doBIb)

277 "Barrel", of course, comes from having done something stoopid, AKA "to bare one's ass", i.e., to have shown that one cannot manage a simple .7 alpha commenting system.* E.g., I have barreled myself once again by making the blog Italican. *Either that, or leaning over while not wearing pants. Experts disagree.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 21, 2014 04:44 PM (SUKHu)

278 Oh, here's a fun one... smithereens small fragments, atoms. In phrases such as 'to explode into smithereens'. This is the word smithers (of obscure origin) with the Irish diminutive ending. Whether it derives from the modern Irish smidrín or is the source of this word is unclear

Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 04:44 PM (hFL/3)

279 Wikipedia itself means "children of pointy hatted cauldron wallopers". Â…..so, be careful where you point that thing kids

Posted by: ontherocks at January 21, 2014 04:44 PM (J2C8C)

280 >>>So ace are you going to watch the new season of King of the Nerds? You seemed to like the first one yeah probz. I didn't know it was on again. I'll definitely watch. thanks. on "galore"... O'Reilly mentioned the word "galoot." I looked it up. No one's quite sure where the hell it comes from. But it seems to have derived from some spanish word for "galley oarsman or galley slave," and was then used by sailors to mean "someone with no knowledge of the sea," like soldiers or marines. Then it simply came to mean "oaf."

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 04:45 PM (/FnUH)

281 I'm watching Silver Linings Playbook. I didn't like it at first but 45 minutes in, I kind of like it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2014 04:45 PM (DmNpO)

282
horshwælum

horse-whale
whale-horse
walrus


Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 04:45 PM (gYIst)

283 Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 21, 2014 08:43 PM (n0DEs) As in... Them Yankees sure did skedaddle after we shot at em from the Wall.... Oh... and Happy Birthday Stonewall Jackson!

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 21, 2014 04:45 PM (84gbM)

284 241 The site frequently employs obscenity and vulgar language, setting it apart from most conservative media outlets.


Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 08:35 PM (doBIb)

buncha fucking horseshit right there.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 04:45 PM (x3YFz)

285

285 >>>So ace are you going to watch the new season of King of the Nerds? You seemed to like the first one

yeah probz. I didn't know it was on again. I'll definitely watch. thanks.

 

Premiere is Thursday night.

Posted by: buzzion at January 21, 2014 04:46 PM (LI48c)

286 Silver Linings ... eh? JLaw brings it.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 21, 2014 04:46 PM (iHJAJ)

287 so similar rule, similar process, but using -le to make a noun diminuitive.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=scrapple

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 08:42 PM (/FnUH)



Not to mention adding an S to the front of the root word so as to disguise its origin...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 04:46 PM (yh0zB)

288
A common phrase we heard on tv growing up was long-haired galoot!

Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 04:47 PM (gYIst)

289 .7 alpha commenting system.*


Posted by: Mama AJ at January 21, 2014 08:44 PM (SUKHu)

We upgraded to alpha!  I'm always the last to know.  dagnabbit!

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 04:47 PM (x3YFz)

290 >>oh I've read a bit on the vulgarization of Latin into the proto-romance and then romance languages and stuff like that. that's very interesting. I spent a week researching Lingua Franca. Ever look into that? Very cool stuff. Oui. When I make my millions, which should happen some time around never, I would love to spend a few years in Europe digging into this stuff. The overlying cultures are fascinating. Europe isn't really dying, its been going through conquests like this for centuries. And what gets left behind is an interesting stew of language and culture.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2014 04:48 PM (g1DWB)

291 There are always the Celtiberians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtiberians

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 21, 2014 04:48 PM (XrwRV)

292 Damn, Shep Smith still has a show on FOX...

Posted by: Icedog at January 21, 2014 04:48 PM (uZ6Ul)

293 But the best of all. whiskey (from uisce beatha meaning "water of life")

Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 04:48 PM (hFL/3)

294 Silver Linings ... eh? JLaw brings it. *** I was just tweeting that I had never before seen anything in which she was acting but now see that she is really quite a good actress.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2014 04:48 PM (DmNpO)

295 Not to mention adding an S to the front of the root word so as to disguise its origin...

Okay, that cracked me up. 

Posted by: no good deed at January 21, 2014 04:49 PM (vBhbc)

296
Se hwæl bið miċle lǣssa þonne ōðre hwalas: ne bið hē lenġra ðonne syfan elna lang. Ac on his āgnum lande is se betsta hwælhuntað: þā bēoð eahta and fēowertiġes elna lange, and þā mǣstan fīftiġes elna lange. Þāra hē sǣde þæt hē syxa sum ofslōge syxtiġ on twām dagum.

He thinks they are small whales. He says they are only 7 [syfan] "elna" or "elles" long [lange], unlike the big whales, which are sixty elles long.

The little whales are horse-size. So he calls them whale-horses.

Now you know...

Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 04:49 PM (gYIst)

297 someone said "probz" on the spurred heels of an etymology thread?


Get a rope.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 04:50 PM (x3YFz)

298 "so similar rule, similar process, but using -le to make a noun diminuitive." So, beetle evolved from beet.

Posted by: Decaf at January 21, 2014 04:50 PM (6wg34)

299 298 - AKA aqua vitae

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 04:50 PM (aDwsi)

300 "222 You bastards. Who is Antman? Posted by: Fritz at January 21, 2014 08:32 PM (TKFmG)" Paul Rudd. And Michael Douglas.

Posted by: Synnerman at January 21, 2014 04:51 PM (0Bdlg)

301 *really quite a good actress* yes...her acting...good.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 21, 2014 04:51 PM (iHJAJ)

302 Shizz>Shizzle?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 21, 2014 04:52 PM (oFCZn)

303 JackStraw, Actually, in addition to reading about the vulgarization of Latin a lot lately, I had this tab open earlier today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichenau_Glosses and this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgar_Latin_vocabulary i was trying to prove a theory I just made up two hours ago that Classic Latin per se was never really a broadly spoken language, but was a written language only spoken by the highly educated classes. I don't think I'm right, but the reason I think that is that everyone seems to want to get rid of all the cases of Latin, and they do. I mean, for crying out loud, they weren't even speaking Latin in Italy by 500 AD. Given that it seems to me the natural tendency of a language in wide circulation is to be *simplified* or "vulgarized," as it's called, I just started wondering how common Classic Latin was even in rome, as opposed to a vulgarized form of it (proto-Italian).

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 04:52 PM (/FnUH)

304 296 There are always the Celtiberians http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtiberians Don't forget the Succubus. They're all Gingers, you know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus

Posted by: Cicero Kid is NOT a cheese-perv. at January 21, 2014 04:52 PM (tcK++)

305
scip is ship

sciprāp is ship's rope

now you know more..

Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 04:53 PM (gYIst)

306 You bastards. Who is Antman?
Posted by: Fritz at January 21, 2014 08:32 PM (TKFmG)






First cousin to Mothman?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 04:53 PM (yh0zB)

307

 

another one that is still in use is "battle". The old english word for "weapon" used to be "bat". As in... "don't bring a dirk to a bat fight". It's true.

Posted by: otho at January 21, 2014 04:53 PM (9gNQd)

308 oh and apparently the answer is: While that was definitely going on quite a bit, it was going on later than I was trying to establish (post 100 AD). But then, only written languages survive, ne c'est pas?

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 04:53 PM (/FnUH)

309 55million abortions since Roe Wade. Think of all those careers that were saved or created. The economy should be gangbusters. just saying...

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 21, 2014 04:53 PM (iHJAJ)

310 302 I think most of the prudishness comes from the fact that they believe that most bloggers aspire to be old media. Now they are right that in most New York Times articles you would not see someone trying to conjugate "wank", but I guarantee there has been more salacious content discussed behind the scenes. That, I think, is what blogs really are, an opportunity for like minded people to come together and discuss various topics. Like a continual dorm room stream of consciousness conversation.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2014 04:54 PM (TGgNi)

311 >>>scip is ship sciprāp is ship's rope ... dutch right? One thing I learned recently is that an awful lot of our maritime/nautical terminology comes from the Dutch.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 04:54 PM (/FnUH)

312 Pro tip

Lot's of blogs who's names we would recognize have Wikipedia entries.


Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice, heteronormative vagitarien at January 21, 2014 04:54 PM (kFCo1)

313
Don't forget the Succubus. They're all Gingers, you know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus

Posted by: Cicero Kid is NOT a cheese-perv. at January 21, 2014 08:52 PM (tcK++)




I've always liked them...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 04:55 PM (yh0zB)

314 I know wikipedia has a leftist bent, but I admit I go there everyday. I love etymology, and lately they have added lots of cool info on surnames. I look up old tv shows and movies/actors. Of course, because they are leftist they have to include gay rumurs about many long-dead old actors, but otherwise it's informative.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at January 21, 2014 04:55 PM (KL49F)

315 "Actually, in addition to reading about the vulgarization of Latin a lot lately, I had this tab open earlier today:" Ixnay on the atinlay!

Posted by: Moe, Larry, Curly, Shemp and Cicero Kid at January 21, 2014 04:55 PM (tcK++)

316 So Ace bloggles. I surfle, and tweetle.

Posted by: Votermom at January 21, 2014 04:57 PM (GSIDW)

317 But then, only written languages survive, ne c'est pas? Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 08:53 PM (/FnUH) Is there a language besides English where the written and spoken forms have differed so greatly? Outside of professionals speaking in the technical language of their profession, no one speaks the way they write.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 04:57 PM (GEICT)

318
Old English, which was heavily influenced by the Norsemen.

Vikings and shit.

Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 04:58 PM (gYIst)

319

(The late) King Faisal of Saudi Arabia - Dead Head

 Ann Coulter - Dead Head

Kenny, the pot-smoking loser down the block from us who lived at home with his mom until he was nearly 40 - Dead Head

 

 

The most amazing thing I've found out on the Internet today was that King Faisal, Ann Coulter and Kenny have something in common. They could have sat around together singing along to "Sugar Magnolia."

Posted by: Donna V. at January 21, 2014 04:58 PM (R3gO3)

320 Outside of professionals speaking in the technical language of their profession, no one speaks the way they write.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 08:57 PM (GEICT)

I'm, evidently, an anomaly.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 04:59 PM (x3YFz)

321 Man, the AoSHQ page on Wiki has been cut to shreds. It used to be longer and funnier.

Posted by: toby928© at January 21, 2014 04:59 PM (QupBk)

322 to be fair, coulter's taste in men runs middle eastern

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 21, 2014 04:59 PM (iHJAJ)

323 Oh yeah, you are going to love The History of English. ThereÂ’s a book you can get, too, to go along with it.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 21, 2014 05:00 PM (CeNUw)

324 I speak in person exactly how I speak here.  Good or bad, it is what it is.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:00 PM (x3YFz)

325 Ixnay on the atinlay! Pig.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 21, 2014 05:00 PM (UAMVq)

326 "Content AoSHQ, like many political blogs, links to and comments on the days news. Unlike most political blogs, however, it often features humorous content such as videos, jokes, cartoons, sarcasm and pictures. The site also uses copious amounts of profanity and vulgar language, setting it apart from most mainstream conservative political blogs. Like some other blogs, AoSHQ allows commenters to select their own screen names. The use of humorous or ironic names, dead celebrities, former government officials, and the like, has become an integral part of the culture of AoSHQ. Examples include the recurring confrontations between "Alexander Hamilton" and "Aaron Burr", who, despite their deaths near two centuries ago, have failed to reconcile on matters of national policy. Random visitations by former president "Thomas Jefferson", often to clarify and amplify on his published and unpublished opinions, are a staple."

Posted by: toby928© at January 21, 2014 05:00 PM (QupBk)

327

My old man insists that the best way to expand your vocabularly is to study Greek and Latin roots because once you know a root, you can guess at the meaning of at least another half dozen words.

I used to poke fun at his obsession with language until we both took the same vocabulary test. I do very well in this area, usually testing in the 98th or 99th percentile on anything having to do with language, but he smoked my ass. 

Posted by: Warden at January 21, 2014 05:02 PM (HzhBE)

328 Boobs are a staple."

Posted by: toby928© at January 21, 2014 09:00 PM (QupBk)

fixed.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:03 PM (x3YFz)

329 Latin used to be the litmus test for educated people in the past 500 years, and at one time allowed the educated population of medieval Europe to communicate and share ideas. It contributed to create the common elements of European culture. Learning Latin today gives anyone going into medicine, science or law a big advantage when studying complex words which incorporate Latin. I've noticed schools are reintroducing its instruction for that purpose

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at January 21, 2014 05:03 PM (acQMa)

330 >>i was trying to prove a theory I just made up two hours ago that Classic Latin per se was never really a broadly spoken language, but was a written language only spoken by the highly educated classes. >>I don't think I'm right, but the reason I think that is that everyone seems to want to get rid of all the cases of Latin, and they do. I mean, for crying out loud, they weren't even speaking Latin in Italy by 500 AD. Well you are right as far as it goes. Latin was a dead language as far as a popularly spoken language around the time of Christ and only in that region. It survived as a written language, pretty much the core of written language from that time going forward. And the Romans took it forward as the conquered much of the know world. Which makes your interest almost endless. When the Romans introduced Latin into the countries the conquered, not just the countries but the tribes, it undoubtedly created thousands of words and idioms as they merged with the native languages that would take lifetimes to understand. If this means you are going to stop making fart jokes I would prefer you give up the study. But thats just me being selfish.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2014 05:04 PM (g1DWB)

331 Heh "The only known images of this shadowy figure are fuzzy screen captures of an unfortunate and ill timed appearance on Fox News where an Israeli tank, bogged down in a field, was the major topic of discussion. While these images reveal an almost sasquatch-like demeanor, eyewitnesses report that the blogger most resembles a mumbling hairy gourd."

Posted by: toby928© at January 21, 2014 05:04 PM (QupBk)

332 I followed the link in the sidebar to the Tomb of the Unknowns picture and noticed something else: When did we start naming winter storms like hurricanes? I have noticed this once or twice in the past and am just wondering when it became a thing.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2014 05:05 PM (TGgNi)

333

Outside of professionals speaking in the technical language of their profession, no one speaks the way they write.

************************

Actually, I think that this is something that ace does very well. So much so that I always notice when he lapses into a more formal tone and structure, which happens occassionally when he's writing about something serious.

Posted by: Warden at January 21, 2014 05:05 PM (HzhBE)

334 "Adherents to the site subscribe to the so-called "Ace of Spades Lifestyle", which seems to be little more than liquor, beating off, euphamistically named sex acts (such as the Dirty Sanchez and the Portuguese Breakfast), beating off, mild domestic violence, beating off, Cheetos, beating off, chick-on-chick "art films," beating off, and beating off. They are also known as the "Limp Orange Dick Society" (when they're done beating off)."

Posted by: toby928© at January 21, 2014 05:06 PM (QupBk)

335 Today I learned that some attribute the high death" toll of the 1918 Spanish Flu to Doc recommending too much aspirin. http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/49/9/1405.full.pdf

Posted by: tmitsss at January 21, 2014 05:06 PM (Pa9vP)

336
After the Norman conquest of England in 1066, English became heavily influenced by French.

Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 05:06 PM (gYIst)

337 >>>My old man insists that the best way to expand your vocabularly is to study Greek and Latin roots because once you know a root, you can guess at the meaning of at least another half dozen words. i think that theory is all wet. I tried that in high school. it's kind of bullshit. It may be someone's idea that "high vocabulary" consists of a great many words of the old-style educated classes, which would derive from Latin or Greek. This isn't really true. A lot of those words are so hyperspecialized as terms of art within a field of study you're NEVER going to get quizzed on them and will rarely see them in popular media. And a lot of latinate or greek words are so well known you don't need to know the roots. Meanwhile, there are LOTS of words derived from Old English roots, French roots, german roots, and Dutch roots, all part of current vocabulary (and much more likely to be read in print and tested). even if someone were going to focus on Latin roots: Why not study Italian, Spanish, or French, then?

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 05:07 PM (/FnUH)

338 toby928, nothing about hobo hunting?

Posted by: Lauren at January 21, 2014 05:07 PM (hFL/3)

339 I learned today about the Dunning-Kruger effect.  I see much of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Posted by: dogfish at January 21, 2014 05:08 PM (nsOJa)

340 On January 9th, AoS reached its ten millionth hit. Upon reaching 10 million hits, the site's primary author, Ace, commented (in a post humorously titled "Grim Milestone: Ten Millionth Hit Coming"), "I'd like to thank all sixteen of you, and extend a special thanks to the spouses who do not give you any sex and thus compel you into a dark lonely "life" lived out on the Internet, as well as the teachers who shaped you in your early years to be goldbricking layabouts who do nothing but fuck about on the computer all day long (Gee, isn't it funny traffic plunges after 5pm every day?), and of course your incompetent bosses who apparently cannot be bothered to notice you're about as crucial to your companies' success as, say, a box of stale circus peanuts."

Posted by: toby928© at January 21, 2014 05:08 PM (QupBk)

341 Posted by: Aetius451AD

Apparently the weather channel needed to bump up their ratings with ZOMG storm names.  To me, the weather channel now just looks embarrassing.

Posted by: dogfish at January 21, 2014 05:10 PM (nsOJa)

342 >>>Latin used to be the litmus test for educated people in the past 500 years, and at one time allowed the educated population of medieval Europe to communicate and share ideas. It contributed to create the common elements of European culture. Learning Latin today gives anyone going into medicine, science or law a big advantage when studying complex words which incorporate Latin. I've noticed schools are reintroducing its instruction for that purpose why not learn French, German, Spanish, Italian, or Japanese? Why a dead language? Our problem is that we don't know any other languages at all, not that we're missing latin, specifically. Incidentally, I read french newspapers a lot. You know what the language of Medicine, Commerce, Business, Science, and Engineering is? English. They're not even freaking out about that anymore. They're now in the "Acceptance" stage.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 05:10 PM (/FnUH)

343 when he lapses into a more formal tone and structure, which happens occassionally when he's writing about something serious. Posted by: Warden at January 21, 2014 09:05 PM (HzhBE) Which I would say constitutes the technical speech of his profession. When ace gets formal, when he gets serious, he lapses into very specific, formal speech in order to get specific points across with as little ambiguity as possible. Same as any other profession.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 05:10 PM (GEICT)

344 So which of you Morons will venture forth into the fetid verbal swamps of diarrhea known as Wiki to discern the origins of that favourite Moron word "boobs"???

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 21, 2014 05:10 PM (XrwRV)

345 Just a guess on Walrus, but in German "wal" means whale and "roß" means steed as in horse. So maybe walrus is a whale-horse? Mostly gleaned from Google-Translate.

Posted by: BarneyOffal at January 21, 2014 05:10 PM (ul4Lc)

346 Congratulations to Steve Moore becoming the chief economist at the heritage foundation.

Posted by: think at January 21, 2014 05:11 PM (OroYa)

347

i think that theory is all wet. I tried that in high school. it's kind of bullshit.

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It works for him. He also speaks Spanish fluently, so that probably helps.

I can see how it could broaden your vocabulary. Take the root trans (across) and the root port (to carry). Now you've got transport. Break 'em back apart and you can see how they're used in all kinds of other works  (porter, transform, etc...)

Posted by: Warden at January 21, 2014 05:11 PM (HzhBE)

348 To me, the weather channel now just looks embarrassing. We whole-heartedly agree.

Posted by: DirecTV at January 21, 2014 05:11 PM (roTS7)

349 I think Vlad is going to accept my offer to send my brownshirts...er...our security forces to Russia. Oh, happy day!

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at January 21, 2014 05:11 PM (Dwehj)

350 On this timesuck phenomenon of the "Wikiwander,"

I think the word you're looking for here is "wikkle".


Posted by: Anachronda at January 21, 2014 05:12 PM (U82Km)

351 >>>When I make my millions, which should happen some time around never, I would love to spend a few years in Europe digging into this stuff. The overlying cultures are fascinating. i'll go with you. I want to look at dolmen and menhir.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 05:12 PM (/FnUH)

352 >>Meanwhile, there are LOTS of words derived from Old English roots Mr Y-not learned a lot by studying Olde Englishe. Plus, it allowed him to fake his way through German.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 21, 2014 05:12 PM (zDsvJ)

353 I like Wikipedia too but I approach it with that old adage "trust, but verify" because I discovered early on using it that even something as seemingly innocuous as the history of golf becomes a heated and contentious battle for the "truth"

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at January 21, 2014 05:12 PM (RZ8pf)

354 It's never lupus.

Posted by: dr. gregory house at January 21, 2014 05:13 PM (vuh7l)

355
yes, whale horse

from its proto-germanic roots

Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 05:13 PM (gYIst)

356 347 I can understand why they did it- to try to gin up more ratings on tv and traffic on the web. Just seems strange. What's next Tornado Super Cell Willy?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2014 05:13 PM (TGgNi)

357 i think that theory is all wet. I tried that in high school. it's kind of bullshit.


Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 09:07 PM (/FnUH)

The idea does have merit.  As long as you know, somewhat, the background of the word, it's a good tool.

Like everything else:  One sole approach doesn't solve everything, but it's useful in its own right.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:14 PM (x3YFz)

358 >>>I can see how it could broaden your vocabulary. Take the root trans (across) and the root port (to carry). Now you've got transport. Break 'em back apart and you can see how they're used in all kinds of other works (porter, transform, etc...) yeah but this tends to work with words you already know, like "Transport," where you know the meaning and are now working backwards. I've tried this not knowing the word, and it's usually... well, it doesn't work. "eliminate." e, from ex I guess, meaning out of, Limn, meaning boundary or border, "out of the border." Not even close. I looked it up. "Limn" means more specifically "threshold," as of a door, so eliminate would mean, sort of, to toss it out over the door's threshold, so that's eliminate, get rid of. but even knowing the roots I couldn't really get there without looking it up.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 05:14 PM (/FnUH)

359 If I didn't have this damned job, I'd love to sit around in my Duck Commander onesie all day with a bag of Cheetos and write for Wikipedia.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at January 21, 2014 05:15 PM (Dwehj)

360 The word husband is old norse. "Wife" is english. English had a word for husband before the Viking invasions. After the viking invasions they still had wife, but now had "husband".

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 05:15 PM (ZPrif)

361 Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 08:58 PM It's fun to compare the similar pronunciation of English to Scandinavian or Germanic words: fish,fisch- water, wasser. All that pre-Norman invasion language.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at January 21, 2014 05:15 PM (acQMa)

362 362
yes, whale horse
Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 09:13 PM (gYIst)

HAH!  I employed the whale bat to teach last year.  Trust me:  none of my students will forget the whale bat and center of mass.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:15 PM (x3YFz)

363 Hmm, the corpsewhale The narwhal was one of the many species originally described by Linnaeus in his Systema Naturae. Its name is derived from the Old Norse word nár, meaning "corpse", in reference to the animal's greyish, mottled pigmentation, like that of a drowned sailor and its summer-time habit of laying inactive at or near the surface of the sea (called "logging"). The scientific name, Monodon monoceros, is derived from Greek: "one-tooth one-horn" or "one-toothed unicorn".

Posted by: toby928© at January 21, 2014 05:16 PM (QupBk)

364 I disagree with 09:07 PM #343, Ace.

I got to use the word "dysjunction" (usually spelt "disjunction") recently. It's one of those GraecoLatin hybrids; which is why it is perfect, because its roots do in fact spell out "bad / connection".

You can have a lot of fun with language when you know how language works. Lewis Carroll knew this too of course.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 21, 2014 05:16 PM (Xfl0F)

365

Incidentally, I read french newspapers a lot. You know what the language of Medicine, Commerce, Business, Science, and Engineering is?

English.

They're not even freaking out about that anymore. They're now in the "Acceptance" stage.


 

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 09:10 PM

 

 

Which, fittingly, is a french word. Ironic,  ne c'est pas?

Posted by: otho at January 21, 2014 05:16 PM (9gNQd)

366 Best way to get a large vocabulary is to read a lot of words.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 05:16 PM (ZPrif)

367 warden, plus, again, you would know those roots like porter from any in-use romance language

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 05:16 PM (/FnUH)

368 351 So which of you Morons will venture forth into the fetid verbal swamps of diarrhea known as Wiki to discern the origins of that favourite Moron word "boobs"??? Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 21, 2014 09:10 PM (XrwRV) You mean actual words and work and not just pictures of boobs? Have I mentioned that I think you're one of the consistently funny commenters here? 'Tis true, and that's in spite of the fact that women aren't funny.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 21, 2014 05:16 PM (oFCZn)

369 Yeah, I get sucked into Wikipedia too.

It starts because I hate horror movies, but love horror books.  So I read the plot and synopses of horror movies.  And next thing I know, I'm reading about Starland Vocal Band.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 21, 2014 05:16 PM (GrtrJ)

370 So, what's the difference between "spatter" and "splatter?"


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 21, 2014 05:16 PM (V70Uh)

371 Incidentally, I read french newspapers a lot. You know what the language of Medicine, Commerce, Business, Science, and Engineering is?
English.
They're not even freaking out about that anymore. They're now in the "Acceptance" stage.
Posted by: ace


Correct and the very reason I find it so odd that the US has such a hard on for accommodating other languages. 

Posted by: dogfish at January 21, 2014 05:17 PM (nsOJa)

372
Yes!

We'd totes have a much better English language today if it weren't for the Normans.

Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 05:17 PM (gYIst)

373 >>.I got to use the word "dysjunction" (usually spelt "disjunction") recently. It's one of those GraecoLatin hybrids; which is why it is perfect, because its roots do in fact spell out "bad / connection". You can have a lot of fun with language when you know how language works. Lewis Carroll knew this too of course. bizarrely I was just wondering exactly what this word meant when I had insomnia at 5am last night.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 05:17 PM (/FnUH)

374

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 09:14 PM (/FnUH)

This is decidedly not  a "Common Core" thread.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:17 PM (x3YFz)

375 So, what's the difference between "spatter" and "splatter?" Spatter has chunks.

Posted by: toby928© at January 21, 2014 05:18 PM (QupBk)

376 English.  Is God going to do another Tower of Babel thing?


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 21, 2014 05:18 PM (V70Uh)

377 Old English husband was "wer" but the Vikings raped and pillaged that word out of the language.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 05:18 PM (ZPrif)

378 bizarrely I was just wondering exactly what this word meant when I had insomnia at 5am last night.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 09:17 PM (/FnUH)

We have GOT to get you laid.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:18 PM (x3YFz)

379 Incidentally, I read french newspapers a lot. You know what the language of Medicine, Commerce, Business, Science, and Engineering is?>>

The carrier language is English the technical terms are quite often rooted in latin.

Posted by: The Hickster at January 21, 2014 05:19 PM (TI3xG)

380 We have GOT to get you laid. Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 09:18 PM (x3YFz) Hey, I tried to start up a fund. Very little interest.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 05:19 PM (GEICT)

381 We have GOT to get you laid. Hence, dysjunction.

Posted by: toby928© at January 21, 2014 05:19 PM (QupBk)

382 ... or John Milton. "Paradise Lost" is full of experiments with the language. For instance when he had Satan "tempt" the height of Heaven rather than "attempt" (as opposed to "seduce", as "tempt" usually means).

Milton was signalling that he was about to challenge Virgil at his own game.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 21, 2014 05:19 PM (Xfl0F)

383 If the topic is sometimes-highly-educational, sometimes-highly-entertaining time sinks . . . Uh . . . er . . . (looks at screen, sighs, finishes comment, hits 'Post', then obsessively hits Reload for the next hour . . .)

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2014 05:19 PM (roTS7)

384
monoceros, is derived from Greek: "one-tooth one-horn"

hence, tri-ceratops!






Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 05:20 PM (gYIst)

385 Dack, no wonder you have a thrombosis...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 21, 2014 05:20 PM (XrwRV)

386 384 Old English husband was "wer" but the Vikings raped and pillaged that word out of the language.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 09:18 PM (ZPrif)

The nun who taught me english in high school said cuckold was the word for husband.

Posted by: think at January 21, 2014 05:20 PM (OroYa)

387 Best way to get a large vocabulary is to read a lot of words.

May I suggest my 404Care bill? There were so many words that didn't make sense to me, I had to quit halfway through the table of contents. Sheesh. 

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at January 21, 2014 05:20 PM (Dwehj)

388 "Languages evolve."

-The other Grimm.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 21, 2014 05:20 PM (V70Uh)

389 >>i'll go with you. >>I want to look at dolmen and menhir. You wanna come with me when I go to Easter Island? I'm going to try and do that in the next couple years. As fascinating as language is, where the hell did these thing come from? These things are like the weird crop cuttings but the are still here and nobody has any idea why they are there.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2014 05:21 PM (g1DWB)

390 Tschuss mein komerads, should be plying my trade as apprentice wordsmith by actually doing some writing.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 21, 2014 05:21 PM (XrwRV)

391
okay, now let's dissect the word incisor!

Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 05:22 PM (gYIst)

392 As fascinating as language is, where the hell did these thing come from? These things are like the weird crop cuttings but the are still here and nobody has any idea why they are there. Ancient aliens.

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 05:22 PM (doBIb)

393 Late to the party. Maybe someone caught this. I thought "Wankle" was a Mazda rotary engine. Who knew?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 21, 2014 05:22 PM (4Mv1T)

394 393 Dack, no wonder you have a thrombosis... Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 21, 2014 09:20 PM (XrwRV) See? Funny! Ace, you should make Anna a cob.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 21, 2014 05:22 PM (oFCZn)

395
You know what this is like?

Boggle!

Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 05:22 PM (gYIst)

396 TR! You gonna get that G41?

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 05:22 PM (doBIb)

397 I am not deep enough for this thread. I'm gonna go play with my slinky.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 21, 2014 05:23 PM (l0lja)

398

ace,

Well, it was a pedestrian example on my part because I'm not all that familiar with word roots. I think if you studied them a lot, it'd be useful.

On the other hand, having a high IQ, studying foreign languages, and reading a shit-ton of books probably had more of an effect on my dad's vocabularly than studying those roots.

Posted by: Warden at January 21, 2014 05:23 PM (HzhBE)

399 As fascinating as language is, where the hell did these thing come from? These things are like the weird crop cuttings but the are still here and nobody has any idea why they are there.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2014 09:21 PM (g1DWB)

A bunch of stupid humans had nothing better to do than carve out giant stones that looked like stupid humans and lug them across the ground?

That's my guess.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:23 PM (x3YFz)

400 >>Correct and the very reason I find it so odd that the US has such a hard on for accommodating other languages. well the US doesn't. The Democratic Party Machine, attempting to curry favor with immigrants, does.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 05:23 PM (/FnUH)

401 A bunch of stupid humans had nothing better to do than carve out giant stones that looked like stupid humans and lug them across the ground? Well, in their defense, they probably did get stinking drunk first.

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2014 05:24 PM (roTS7)

402 Please call my East of the Rockies Hotline.

Posted by: George Snoory at January 21, 2014 05:24 PM (Dwehj)

403 A bunch of stupid humans had nothing better to do than carve out giant stones that looked like stupid humans and lug them across the ground?

That's my guess.

That's so much better than the Knockout Game. 

Posted by: no good deed at January 21, 2014 05:25 PM (vBhbc)

404 >>>On the other hand, having a high IQ, studying foreign languages, and reading a shit-ton of books probably had more of an effect on my dad's vocabularly than studying those roots. that's what i'm trying to say. not that it's useless, but in terms of bang-for-the-buck, you're better served either reading english or reading an extant language that influenced English. And there are a lot of living languages to choose from on that front.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 05:25 PM (/FnUH)

405 A bunch of stupid humans had nothing better to do than carve out giant stones that looked like stupid humans and lug them across the ground? That's my guess. *** The modern art installation of an ancient 1%er

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2014 05:25 PM (DmNpO)

406 You gonna get that G41? Posted by: EC ------------------------ I have the hots for the new G42, but bought an LC380 today instead. Plus $250 cheaper.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 21, 2014 05:25 PM (4Mv1T)

407 407 Or the same reason most people have done things throughout history: To glorify God or get laid. Bonus points for doing both at the same time.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2014 05:25 PM (TGgNi)

408 No love for Twaddle. Huh. Perhaps it's already on the list?

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2014 05:25 PM (zXm/c)

409 Well, in their defense, they probably did get stinking drunk first.

Posted by: filbert at January 21, 2014 09:24 PM (roTS7)

BC Morons.  I can see it.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:25 PM (x3YFz)

410 >> Also aviation.  Posted by: Regular Moron

Day gig often has me listening to air traffic - pilot comm.  It is funny what passes for English from some of the foreign carriers.   ...about as good as my Aramaic.

Posted by: dogfish at January 21, 2014 05:25 PM (nsOJa)

411 I have the hots for the new G42, but bought an LC380 today instead. Plus $250 cheaper. Is that a pistol in your pocket or are you happy to see me?

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 05:26 PM (doBIb)

412 I have the hots for the new G42, but bought an LC380 today instead. Plus $250 cheaper. Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 21, 2014 09:25 PM (4Mv1T) I'm trying to sneak out of work at some point this week and get over to the nearby range. I want to put the LCP in my hands and they've got one I can use before I spend the money.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 05:26 PM (GEICT)

413 wasser=>water? Debbie Wasser man Shultz... she's all wet... this shit explains a lot.... good work Ace.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at January 21, 2014 05:27 PM (4DD4V)

414 The language thing is something I'm not that worried about. Mexican immigrants are slower at picking up English than other groups, but it just delays the inevitable by a generation or two. Short term problem, but not long term.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 05:27 PM (ZPrif)

415 love this thread

Posted by: thunderb at January 21, 2014 05:27 PM (zOTsN)

416 222 You bastards. Who is Antman? Posted by: Fritz at January 21, 2014 08:32 PM (TKFmG) He's a superhero who has all the power of a human.

Posted by: Frankly at January 21, 2014 05:27 PM (bB1pK)

417 I saw Twaddle open for UFO back in '77.

Posted by: George Snoory at January 21, 2014 05:27 PM (Dwehj)

418 >>>You wanna come with me when I go to Easter Island? I'm going to try and do that in the next couple years. maybe yeah. as for where they came from: They dragged 'em. you know, vikings used to move their ships right across England. They'd just cut down some trees to use as large rolling cylinders, then keep switching out cylinders (from the back, as the ship passes it, to the front, as it reaches it) and roll their damn ships across the land. anything can be moved with such wheels and some king with a lash and a hard-on for Big Statues.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 05:27 PM (/FnUH)

419

On this timesuck phenomenon of the "Wikiwander," Last Refuge of a Scoundrel sends this blogger's recounting of the various odd places that Wikipedia hyperlinks have taken him.




Her, actually (the link goes to Tamera K, Mistress of the Snark), but may I just say...



W00T!!!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 05:28 PM (yh0zB)

420
okay, what does the suffix -oid mean, as in humanoid?


Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 05:29 PM (gYIst)

421 3rd gen mex-americans have the lowest rates of English fluency, but still are mostly English dominant. 1st gen Mexican and Chinese have the worst English, but the Chinese go ultra English 2nd gen. English is just super hard for east asian language speakers after puberty. Spanish speakers adapt to English the slowest cause they have the largest cultural ghettos to live in. Chinatowns are tiny.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 05:29 PM (ZPrif)

422 426 Also called Portage. Very big when you need to get your ship from one river to another river and they do not connect.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2014 05:29 PM (TGgNi)

423 you know, vikings used to move their ships right across England. They'd just cut down some trees to use as large rolling cylinders, then keep switching out cylinders (from the back, as the ship passes it, to the front, as it reaches it) and roll their damn ships across the land. Shit, that would take forever. What happens when they meet an obstacle?

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 05:30 PM (doBIb)

424 "Incidentally, I read french newspapers a lot. You know what the language of Medicine, Commerce, Business, Science, and Engineering is? English" No argument on that reality. My remark was influenced from the experience of a member of my family. In the midst of pursuing a doctorate in neuroscience, he ended up deciding to study Latin. He found knowledge of Latin roots increased his assimilation of all the medical and science- related terms. So while the world dialogues in English, those Latin vocabulary terms still remain part of the exchange.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at January 21, 2014 05:30 PM (acQMa)

425 I'm trying to sneak out of work at some point this week and get over to the nearby range. I want to put the LCP in my hands and they've got one I can use before I spend the money.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 09:26 PM (GEICT)

I'm half jealous.  I've ticked off all the firearms I want to own minus some old WWII, WWI collectables.  Can't add to the armory in good conscience.  Have only mastered 2 of the 23 firearms that are... er... I lost in the reservoir.  Long way to go with what I hav.. had.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:30 PM (x3YFz)

426
yeah, as far as hoisting goes, humans figured out "levers" and leverage a long long time ago

Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 05:30 PM (gYIst)

427 There is a hilarious despair dot com poster with the Easter Island statues and the quote reads "Hundreds of years from now, it will not matter what my bank account was, the sort of house I lived in, or the kind of car I drove... But the world may be different because I did something so bafflingly crazy that my ruins become a tourist attraction."

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at January 21, 2014 05:30 PM (RZ8pf)

428 I saw Mott the Hoople in '75 at MSG. I don't know how much hooping Mott did in order to earn the name.

Posted by: jakeman at January 21, 2014 05:30 PM (vH4YP)

429 Watching Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter on MoreMaxHD.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 05:31 PM (yh0zB)

430 Shit, that would take forever. What happens when they meet an obstacle? They're Vikings; they smash it!

Posted by: Insomniac at January 21, 2014 05:31 PM (UAMVq)

431 370 The scientific name, Monodon monoceros, is derived from Greek: "one-tooth one-horn flying purple people eater"

fixt

Posted by: Anachronda at January 21, 2014 05:31 PM (U82Km)

432 -oid? "It seems, it appears." Attic / Classical Greek.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 21, 2014 05:31 PM (Xfl0F)

433 >>Correct and the very reason I find it so odd that the US has such a hard on for accommodating other languages. Not accommodating other languages is a distinctly American trait. My career is spent almost uniquely in overseas business where speaking multiple languages has been necessary. Necessary but not desired. And the fact that so few Americans do business in their language has been a source of resentment. English has been the universal business language because we have been the dominant business country. Those days are fading fast. Welcome to the post-America world.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2014 05:31 PM (g1DWB)

434 They're Vikings; they smash rape it! Fixed.

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 05:31 PM (doBIb)

435 my grandfather was a college dean my mother was a word snob. No baby talk allowed ever my older sister got her masters in Latin I didn't have a chance. I had to keep up

Posted by: thunderb at January 21, 2014 05:32 PM (zOTsN)

436 ...and before you ask:  I've mastered the Pointy Stick and the Stern Glare.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:32 PM (x3YFz)

437 434 yeah, as far as hoisting goes, humans figured out "levers" and leverage a long long time ago Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 09:30 PM (gYIst) Word.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 21, 2014 05:32 PM (UAMVq)

438 428 okay, what does the suffix -oid mean, as in humanoid? Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 09:29 PM (gYIst) pain in the ass....see hemmorhoid

Posted by: BignJames at January 21, 2014 05:32 PM (j7iSn)

439 442 They're Vikings; they smash rape it!



Fixed.


Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 09:31 PM (doBIb)

"How many times do I have to say it?!  Pillage, THEN plunder!"

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:33 PM (x3YFz)

440
Anyone ever watch THE PILLARS OF THE WORLD miniseries from a few years ago?

It was okay. What interested me was the engineering.

The Aztecs were clever engineers, too. Of course the Romans were more clever and pre-dated the savages by many centuries.

Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 05:33 PM (gYIst)

441 >>>The carrier language is English the technical terms are quite often rooted in latin. but technical terms are not actually the hard part of a language. Nouns are the easiest part of a language to pick up. furthermore, no technical term really provides any insight into the difficult concepts the word stands for. You can figure out "inertia" means "without energy" (actually it means "without skill" so this is a bad example anyway) but that doesn't tell you about the formulae for inertia. Your physics course tells you that. take whatever latinate term you like, say, "momentum," and what does knowing that "momentum" comes from Latin's movere ("move") really tell you about momentum? It's not like you're able to divine scientific principles from a broad latin prefix and a broad latin root.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 05:33 PM (/FnUH)

442 Boy, I sure hope Boyd Crowder boxes Raylan's ears tonight.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at January 21, 2014 05:33 PM (Dwehj)

443 Agents of Shield seems entirely populated by whoe, half and quarter asian actors. No other show in history has had this many vaguely asian leads.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 05:33 PM (ZPrif)

444 I actually find that this blog serves as a great informal Wikipedia. I have learned so much here over the years, not just from Ace who has indeed learned me lots, but also the cobloggers and the commenters. Someone here almost always has the answer to whatever obscure trivia question is vexing me.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at January 21, 2014 05:33 PM (RZ8pf)

445 444 ...and before you ask: I've mastered the Pointy Stick and the Stern Glare. Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 09:32 PM (x3YFz) Lol. I'd love to own a Barrett, hell, I'd love to just get the chance to fire one, butÂ….yeah, I can't imagine ever having enough money to not only afford it, but get the better half to sign off on it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 05:34 PM (GEICT)

446

Wow!  In the NAACP characterizing the only black senator, I bet MLK would have thought he was listening to something said of him by the KKK.


Heard on Megyn Kelly - sorry no link. 


Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 21, 2014 05:34 PM (BZAd3)

447 Skittle

Posted by: whatmeworry? at January 21, 2014 05:34 PM (dZGNV)

448 446 428
okay, what does the suffix -oid mean, as in humanoid?


Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 09:29 PM (gYIst)

pain in the ass....see hemmorhoid

Posted by: BignJames at January 21, 2014 09:32 PM (j7iSn)

without cheating, I think it's "of making"  or "from"  or some such.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:34 PM (x3YFz)

449 This is good cause vaguely asian chicks are usually hot.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 05:34 PM (ZPrif)

450 Bat becomes Batter becomes Batterer.

See?

Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at January 21, 2014 05:34 PM (LsJAk)

451 Also aviation. Doesn't matter where in the world you wanna land a plane, if you can't communicate in English to the air traffic controllers you're gonna get shot down.

Posted by: Regular Moron at January 21, 2014 09:19 PM (oGrEy)




German Air Traffic Control: Have you ever BEEN to Munich?



British Air Pilot: Once, in 1944, but I didn't land.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 05:35 PM (yh0zB)

452 Skiffle

Posted by: The Walrus at January 21, 2014 05:35 PM (zXm/c)

453 401 Late to the party. Maybe someone caught this.

I thought "Wankle" was a Mazda rotary engine.


That's actually "Wankel".

Posted by: Anachronda at January 21, 2014 05:35 PM (U82Km)

454 Lol. I'd love to own a Barrett, hell, I'd love to just get the chance to fire one, butÂ….yeah, I can't imagine ever having enough money to not only afford it, but get the better half to sign off on it. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish
--------------------------------------------

and $5 a round.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 21, 2014 05:35 PM (4Mv1T)

455 Kerfuffle

Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2014 05:36 PM (zXm/c)

456 "You look up one thing and suddenly it's 4 hours later and you're reading an article on Antman." I do the same thing with music on youtube. "Oh look, 'Just Dropped In To See What Condition My Condition Was In' by Kenny Rogers during his psychedelic period! I'll just play along on the bass."

Posted by: Meremortal at January 21, 2014 05:36 PM (1Y+hH)

457 and $5 a round. Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 21, 2014 09:35 PM (4Mv1T) At least.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 05:36 PM (GEICT)

458 451 Mr. Whedon seems to have a thing for exotic looking women, post Buffy at least. I am not complaining.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2014 05:36 PM (TGgNi)

459
Someone here almost always has the answer to whatever obscure trivia question is vexing me.

Sad, isn'tit?

Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 05:36 PM (gYIst)

460 well the US doesn't. The Democratic Party Machine, attempting to curry favor with immigrants, does. **** the ussr's useful idiot program made this the priority of every first world nation's liberal party.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 21, 2014 05:36 PM (iHJAJ)

461 Lol. I'd love to own a Barrett, hell, I'd love to just get the chance to fire one, butÂ….yeah, I can't imagine ever having enough money to not only afford it, but get the better half to sign off on it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 09:34 PM (GEICT)

Last time I looked was around 2009 and they were $1800.

Imagine they're pricier now.  Wouldn't buy one unless I had cash I had nothing better to spend it on, which is never.

I need an anti-material rifle like I need a 1 way trip to prison.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:36 PM (x3YFz)

462 Lol. I'd love to own a Barrett, hell, I'd love to just get the chance to fire one, butÂ….yeah, I can't imagine ever having enough money to not only afford it, but get the better half to sign off on it. I've had the good fortune to get to fire one on a couple of occasions. It's awesome.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 21, 2014 05:36 PM (UAMVq)

463 Posted by: JackStraw

Would you say that is just a US trait or an American trait?  I'd say that few in the Americas accommodate another language (except for English for the reasons already stated).

Posted by: dogfish at January 21, 2014 05:37 PM (nsOJa)

464
Tomorrow night we'll discuss portmanteaus!


Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 05:37 PM (gYIst)

465 451 Agents of Shield seems entirely populated by whoe, half and quarter asian actors. No other show in history has had this many vaguely asian leads. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 09:33 PM (ZPrif) Other than like, I dunno, shows from asia.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at January 21, 2014 05:38 PM (E8IHS)

466 Shuffle?

Posted by: Meremortal at January 21, 2014 05:38 PM (1Y+hH)

467 I studied French and according to my old Parisian prof, have absolutely horrible pronunciation. It must be related to why I sing off tune. It had limited usefulness outside of working on a thesis, and reading history books. It's no longer an important world language.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at January 21, 2014 05:38 PM (acQMa)

468 Hubbys French accent sounds like a German occupier

Posted by: thunderb at January 21, 2014 05:38 PM (zOTsN)

469 just checked, yeah the vaguely asian Shield chick is half-Chinese and half-Jewish. Good combo.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 05:38 PM (ZPrif)

470 Hemmorhoids? Heavens to Mergatroid!

Posted by: Snagglepuss at January 21, 2014 05:39 PM (tcK++)

471 Obviously I meant American TV.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 05:39 PM (ZPrif)

472 BC- Re: the LCP. They are very popular. Don't plan to target shoot with it. It is a short range weapon designed for very close encounters of the criminal kind.

The S&W Bodyguard is the Smith alternative, but more expensive because it comes with a laser, which is unnecessary for close encounters.

If you have larger hands, you'll prefer an LC380, or even the new Glock 42. All 380's.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 21, 2014 05:39 PM (4Mv1T)

473 Last time I looked was around 2009 and they were $1800. Imagine they're pricier now. Wouldn't buy one unless I had cash I had nothing better to spend it on, which is never. I need an anti-material rifle like I need a 1 way trip to prison. Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 09:36 PM (x3YFz) I think you're missing a zero. Seriously though. $5k - $6k is the low end.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 05:39 PM (GEICT)

474 Re, Senator Scott:

I know that Justice Thomas, these days, doesn't give a rat's ass.

I expect that as time goes on, Scott will be headed more and more into the zone of not caring what others think.

This frightens the NAACP.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 21, 2014 05:39 PM (Xfl0F)

475

FYI, ace...

The word MORON (foolish, stupid, idiot) derives from the Latin morus, which is a transliteration of the Greek moros (fïïlish, stupid)

 

Posted by: Warden at January 21, 2014 05:39 PM (HzhBE)

476 Here was me in Latin class. I took the class for two weeks. So, we start conjugating verbs. I expected this because I'd taken German, french, and spanish before. I understand verbs need conjugation. Then, like, we start conjugating NOUNS. Now we're conjugating Nouns. We're fucking conjugating NOUNS. So this me: "Later days, dudes! Ex curricula!!!" Dropped that motherfucker like it was hot.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 05:39 PM (/FnUH)

477 Would you say that is just a US trait or an American trait? I'd say that few in the Americas accommodate another language (except for English for the reasons already stated).

Posted by: dogfish at January 21, 2014 09:37 PM (nsOJa)

Depends.  I have a functional ability for spanish (won't we all, soon?) and a little Russian, some German and Japanese.  My dialects suck, though.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:40 PM (x3YFz)

478
Bi-labial fricatives?

This is why we can't have serious discussions at AoS.

Posted by: soothsayer's improbable history at January 21, 2014 05:40 PM (gYIst)

479 We finally know the origin of the name Beatles.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 21, 2014 05:40 PM (1Y+hH)

480 The Easter Island Moai 'walked' to their places.

Posted by: toby928© at January 21, 2014 05:41 PM (QupBk)

481 still trying to work out the derivation of "cuntling"

Posted by: thunderb at January 21, 2014 05:42 PM (zOTsN)

482 481 Last time I looked was around 2009 and they were $1800. Imagine they're pricier now. Wouldn't buy one unless I had cash I had nothing better to spend it on, which is never. I need an anti-material rifle like I need a 1 way trip to prison. Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 09:36 PM (x3YFz) I think you're missing a zero. Seriously though. $5k - $6k is the low end. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 09:39 PM (GEICT) You can get the single shot bolt action for under 4 grand. Still, not exactly cheap.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 21, 2014 05:42 PM (UAMVq)

483 "Later days, dudes! Ex curricula!!!"

Dropped that motherfucker like it was hot.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 09:39 PM (/FnUH)

Hah!  The first hurdle a person who speaks english has to leap is the adjective follows the noun thing.

Then, it's the male/female nouns.

Then, it's conjugating nouns.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:42 PM (x3YFz)

484 My youngest son is in his third year of Latin in HS. I asked him how to say "hello".

He had no clue.

Maybe it's not a conversational language. He gets "A"s
What the hell do I know?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 21, 2014 05:42 PM (4Mv1T)

485 This frightens the NAACP.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 21, 2014 09:39 PM (Xfl0F)

It's a good thing that the NAACP is... what's the word...  pretty homogenous, or one might think them racist. 


They dodged one there!

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 21, 2014 05:42 PM (BZAd3)

486 Interesting, Chloe Bennet started her showbiz career trying to be popstar in China as Chloe Wang.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 05:42 PM (ZPrif)

487 >>maybe yeah. >>as for where they came from: They dragged 'em. I should have been more clear. Language and all that. Why are they there? What was the reason? As big a mystery as any language. Going to Moon Valley this year. Not going to do much language exploration but it will piss CAC off that you are going to be in one of the best places on the planet to see stars. And drink pisco sours. I got your ticket but you are not sleeping with me.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2014 05:43 PM (g1DWB)

488

The word "fart" and its puzzling heritage.

http://tinyurl.com/psraxku

Posted by: Warden at January 21, 2014 05:43 PM (HzhBE)

489 My best guess would be that the German origin is probably how the word slipped into English, maybe through vaudeville: boobs (n.) "breasts," 1929, U.S. slang, probably from much older term boobies (late 17c.), related to 17c. bubby; perhaps ultimately from Latin puppa, literally "little girl," hence, in child-talk, "breast." Or else it is a natural formation in English (cf. French poupe "teat," German dialectal Bubbi, etc.).

Posted by: BarneyOffal at January 21, 2014 05:44 PM (ul4Lc)

490 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 07:56 PM (ZPrif) You got the routine down very well, Joe. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2014 05:44 PM (7kkQJ)

491 480 BC- Re: the LCP. They are very popular. Don't plan to target shoot with it. It is a short range weapon designed for very close encounters of the criminal kind. The SW Bodyguard is the Smith alternative, but more expensive because it comes with a laser, which is unnecessary for close encounters. If you have larger hands, you'll prefer an LC380, or even the new Glock 42. All 380's. Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 21, 2014 09:39 PM (4Mv1T) It would be for CC. I am a S&W fan, but Ruger makes a damn fine piece. And the LCP and LC380 models can be bought with the laser.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 05:44 PM (GEICT)

492 Serbia makes a bolt .50 BMG rifle. It's called the BFG-50. Hehehe...

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 05:44 PM (doBIb)

493 Serbu

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 05:44 PM (doBIb)

494 A buddy and I would play the Kevin Bacon game on Wikipedia. I got from the list of English castles page to the nine inch nails pretty hate machine page in 6 hyperlink clicks.

Posted by: 2549 at January 21, 2014 05:44 PM (S/KDm)

495 Shit, that would take forever. What happens when they meet an obstacle? They burn those obstacles with copies of Barack ObamaÂ’s birth certificate. The long form.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 21, 2014 05:45 PM (CeNUw)

496 I like bacon as much as anyone, but this seems a bit...odd: http://tinyurl.com/kjyoqa8

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2014 05:45 PM (TGgNi)

497 I am a S&W fan Shield?

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 05:46 PM (doBIb)

498 It's not like you're able to divine scientific principles from a broad latin prefix and a broad latin root. >>

It does make remebering/learning the correct usage easier. Since the wrong usage of the technical terms can change the meaning of a report dramatically. At least for me it seemed that way growing up in a house where vocabulary was important.And my father enjoyed quizing us on Latin root meanings (or blurting them out in the context of a normal dinner table conversation). But he also liked reciting Shakespeare in Old English. So it was likely more the total vocabulary base that was more important than the Latin. Metallurgy is the science I work in I use a lot of terms with Latin roots.

Posted by: The Hickster at January 21, 2014 05:47 PM (TI3xG)

499 >>Depends. I have a functional ability for spanish   Posted by: tangonine

So do I, but it was originally from academics.  Now, it is as you intimate and because of culture.  We are frankly doing it to ourselves for no other reason that we self loath as a nation.

Posted by: dogfish at January 21, 2014 05:47 PM (nsOJa)

500 If you really want to strain the English-speaking brain study Japanese. Context is the key.

Posted by: whatmeworry? at January 21, 2014 05:47 PM (dZGNV)

501 Hey Ace, (Totally ignoring the four-hundred-sixty-odd other posts) Have you ever played the First Link game on Wikipedia? Type in any term into the search bar. Select the first link that is neither in italics nor in parentheses. Repeat on the following page. Repeat ad nauseum and you will eventually get to the philosophy page. I have yet to find a page where this doesn't work. Happy clicking. H/T http://www.geekosystem.com/xkcd-philosophy/

Posted by: Aaah--Clem at January 21, 2014 05:48 PM (rVMNS)

502 Shield? Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 09:46 PM (doBIb) Two reasons for a no. First is the recall that went out. Second is actually the subject of the recallÂ…the trigger/drop safety. I don't want to have wonder if I'm pulling the trigger exactly the right way. I pull, it goes BANG. That's what I want.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 05:48 PM (GEICT)

503 Here was me in Latin class. I took the class for two weeks.
So, we start conjugating verbs. I expected this because I'd taken German, french, and spanish before. I understand verbs need conjugation.
Then, like, we start conjugating NOUNS.
Now we're conjugating Nouns. We're fucking conjugating NOUNS.
So this me:
"Later days, dudes! Ex curricula!!!"
Dropped that motherfucker like it was hot.
Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 09:39 PM (/FnUH)



It took me years to come to tolerate verb conjugation, that shit is just a bridge too far.

Posted by: mugiwara at January 21, 2014 05:48 PM (3a584)

504 Then, it's the male/female nouns. Then, it's conjugating nouns. Stop that, stop that, conjugation!

Posted by: Best Little Whore House in Caesarodunum at January 21, 2014 05:49 PM (tcK++)

505 Is this awesome or am I just easily amused? I think it's rather interesting, yes.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2014 05:49 PM (7kkQJ)

506 Two reasons for a no. First is the recall that went out. Second is actually the subject of the recallÂ…the trigger/drop safety. I don't want to have wonder if I'm pulling the trigger exactly the right way. That's been fixed now. That was embarrassing for them.

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 05:49 PM (doBIb)

507 I wouldn't call the Aztecs or their meso-American forebears savages. (I would use that term to describe almost any society south of the Sahara prior to 1820 or so.)

So, it's not because of political-correctness. The New World did come up, by themselves, with a form of civilisation.

It was a form of civilisation that might as well have come from another planet though.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 21, 2014 05:49 PM (Xfl0F)

508 It would be for CC.

I am a S&W fan, but Ruger makes a damn fine piece. And the LCP and LC380 models can be bought with the laser.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 09:44 PM (GEICT)

Sig P229 .40.  I carry a backup .38 spcl occasionally but experience and a few thousand rounds, 2 new barrels... I carry this and this religiously.

When you need it to go "bang" it goes "bang."  Every. Time.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:49 PM (x3YFz)

509 514 Two reasons for a no. First is the recall that went out. Second is actually the subject of the recallÂ…the trigger/drop safety. I don't want to have wonder if I'm pulling the trigger exactly the right way. That's been fixed now. That was embarrassing for them. Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 09:49 PM (doBIb) I have a post-recall Shield in .40. It works just fine.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 21, 2014 05:50 PM (UAMVq)

510 508 If you really want to strain the English-speaking brain study Japanese. This is true, Hannah Minx lessons strain my brain.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 21, 2014 05:51 PM (l3vZN)

511 I dunno. I think the Aztecs were pretty savage. Large scale human sacrifice for instance

Posted by: thunderb at January 21, 2014 05:51 PM (zOTsN)

512 518 508 If you really want to strain the English-speaking brain study Japanese. This is true, Hannah Minx lessons strain my brain. Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 21, 2014 09:51 PM (l3vZN) That's not your brain you're straining.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 21, 2014 05:52 PM (UAMVq)

513 Hannah Minx lessons strain my brain.

Yeah, but that's because I'm not paying attention to what she is saying.

Posted by: dogfish at January 21, 2014 05:52 PM (nsOJa)

514 and you might laugh, but my second choice is a 9mm M9.  I love  LOVE that pistol.  Can drive nails with it at 20 yards.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:52 PM (x3YFz)

515 Hannah Minx strains her bras.

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 05:52 PM (doBIb)

516 Sig P229 .40. I carry a backup .38 spcl occasionally but experience and a few thousand rounds, 2 new barrels... I carry this and this religiously. When you need it to go "bang" it goes "bang." Every. Time. Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 09:49 PM (x3YFz) For a grand? It better go fucking bang.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 05:53 PM (GEICT)

517 >>>It does make remebering/learning the correct usage easier. Since the wrong usage of the technical terms can change the meaning of a report dramatically. At least for me it seemed that way growing up in a house where vocabulary was important.And my father enjoyed quizing us on Latin root meanings (or blurting them out in the context of a normal dinner table conversation). But he also liked reciting Shakespeare in Old English. So it was likely more the total vocabulary base that was more important than the Latin. Metallurgy is the science I work in I use a lot of terms with Latin roots. it just seems to me you're using a howitzer to destroy a fly. The thought of learning such a risibly complex language such as Latin only as a *mnemonic aid* for vocabulary which you could learn by simply flash-carding it for a couple of weeks strikes me as... an inefficient use of your time and mental capacity.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 05:53 PM (/FnUH)

518

And my father enjoyed quizing us on Latin root meanings (or blurting them out in the context of a normal dinner table conversation).

***********************

Yeah? Well my dad did the same AND insisted on using perfect Spanish pronunciations when ordering at Taco Bell. I'm like, "Hey, guess what, bro? This pimply faced kid taking your order probably isn't gonna get too upset if you don't roll your R's."

And then he'd get quite upset and exclaim, "Well that's the way it's pronounced, goddammit"

Posted by: Warden at January 21, 2014 05:53 PM (HzhBE)

519 Oh man, i got something good for the ONT. Come on ont!!!!

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 05:53 PM (doBIb)

520 For a grand? It better go fucking bang.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 09:53 PM (GEICT)

how much is your life worth?

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:54 PM (x3YFz)

521 The Aztec practice of human sacrifice was barbaric. They were extremely well organized in govt, education, and commerce. And they had a culture that included exquisite art. But they were also brutal savages.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 21, 2014 05:54 PM (yoCvE)

522 EC- For pocket carry, go with "small". That way you won't be inclined to leave it at home like I used to. It's why I got a 380.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 21, 2014 05:54 PM (4Mv1T)

523 I meant- BC

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 21, 2014 05:54 PM (4Mv1T)

524 I am a S&W fan *** http://t.co/R2lbs4F1oo

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2014 05:55 PM (DmNpO)

525 A 229 is a lot beefier than a pocket pistol. BC is looking for something can palm in one hand and fire it.

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 05:55 PM (doBIb)

526 We have GOT to get you laid. It's not really an antidote to chronic insomnia. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2014 05:55 PM (7kkQJ)

527

Olde tyme  English explained

Ace's wiki wanker obsession confession

Turned a bone into a boner

Posted by: The Earl of Sandwich at January 21, 2014 05:55 PM (N3Al8)

528 It's not really an antidote to chronic insomnia. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2014 09:55 PM (7kkQJ)

I demand you send me the Tampa Bay cheerleaders so I can test this postulate!

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:56 PM (x3YFz)

529 And they had a culture that included exquisite art. But they were also brutal savages.

Hey-yo! Excuse me whilst I finish poking out my own son's eyeballs

Posted by: Empress Irene of Constantinople at January 21, 2014 05:56 PM (Xfl0F)

530 I like bacon as much as anyone, but this seems a bit...odd:
http://tinyurl.com/kjyoqa8

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2014 09:45 PM (TGgNi)




That would make an expensive...by product...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 05:56 PM (yh0zB)

531 We have GOT to get you laid.

It's not really an antidote to chronic insomnia. ;^) Posted by: FenelonSpoke
------------------------------

We just take one night at a time.   

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 21, 2014 05:56 PM (4Mv1T)

532 532 I am a S&W fan *** http://t.co/R2lbs4F1oo Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2014 09:55 PM (DmNpO) Good Lord. What's that for, water buffalo?

Posted by: Insomniac at January 21, 2014 05:56 PM (UAMVq)

533 Hey Ace go to Plenty of Fish dot com a post a profile it's free.  Your Welcome

Posted by: Regular Guy at January 21, 2014 05:56 PM (N3Al8)

534 earlier The Political Hat, who learned Finnish for some reason, said the most difficult part of Finnish was not the fifteen cases of nouns (FIFTEEN!!!), but learning when to use the partitive case. Now, I thought i knew what "partitive" meant. In English and French, it means, literally, "a part of a bigger whole." So in English the partitive is indicated by "some." You want SOME cake? I'm not offering the whole cake, nor a discreet number of pieces; I'm referring to some vague part of it. But that's not what it means in Finnish....!!!!! Oh boy. Check this shit out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitive_case yeah some languages are going to die, and it's their own damn fault.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 05:57 PM (/FnUH)

535 how much is your life worth? Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 09:54 PM (x3YFz) I can buy two for the price of that one. And there are lots of options that work just fine. Not knocking your choice. Different strokes for different folks.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 05:57 PM (GEICT)

536 GGE- Someone found a Mosin carbine at the show this weekend and had it at the range blasting away.  I shed a tear for you as I watched the Iowa Class muzzle flash.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 21, 2014 05:58 PM (4Mv1T)

537 Kel Tec PF-9. Otherwise known as Trayvon's Bane.

Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 05:58 PM (doBIb)

538 Beretta has the nano 9mm that would probably fit your pocket. Don't have one so I can't speak to the quality. I do have a Taurus PT745 subcompact .45 ACP that isn't a bad little gun for a Taurus. It'll definitely fit in your pocket and it's kinda cheap.

Posted by: Adam at January 21, 2014 05:58 PM (Aif/5)

539 533 A 229 is a lot beefier than a pocket pistol. BC is looking for something can palm in one hand and fire it.


Posted by: EC at January 21, 2014 09:55 PM (doBIb)

You have to find that happy place between being totally comfortable and still accurate at 15-20 feet with the shakes of adrenaline and "HOLY SHIT!  This is really happening!"

It's a personal fit.  Find what's best for you.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 05:58 PM (x3YFz)

540 538 Yeah, I have never understood the fascination with edible gold leaf. "Yay, I am pooping real gold!" ?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2014 05:59 PM (TGgNi)

541 So..., the .454 Casull is passé, right?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 05:59 PM (aDwsi)

542 For a grand? It better go fucking bang.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 09:53 PM (GEICT)




For a grand you can get two Groks that will go bang every time you pull the triggers...as long as they aren't Glock 36's...




Well, mine goes bang every time now, all it took was a replacement recoil spring. I understand they've quietly fixed the new generation of 36's.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 05:59 PM (yh0zB)

543 i was on about this about the vulgarization of latin into modern romance languages. And English's awesome feature of simplified grammatical rules and limited conjugations (and no fucking conjugating nouns, for crying out loud). if a language is to expand its reach, it has to be... well, it can't be like Finnish. It can't be FORBIDDING. Talking is a simple thing. the rules of how to talk should not be this damned complicated.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 06:00 PM (/FnUH)

544 "we intend to destroy all dogmatic verbal systems" -- Wm S. Burroughs.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 21, 2014 06:00 PM (zxsxA)

545 http://t.co/R2lbs4F1oo Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2014 09:55 PM (DmNpO) A beauty. This thing looks very nice. http://tinyurl.com/kns29nb

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 06:00 PM (GEICT)

546 So..., the .454 Casull is passé, right?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 09:59 PM (aDwsi)




Range Partner carries one. He says he only wants to shoot it once, and he will try hard not to kill whoever he shoots because he wants to beat them to death for making him shoot that damn thing.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 06:01 PM (yh0zB)

547 the decline and fall of roman inflexion

Posted by: ablative at January 21, 2014 06:01 PM (R6JT1)

548 its prolly why the Finns drink so damn much

Posted by: thunderb at January 21, 2014 06:01 PM (zOTsN)

549 "Pssst. Wanna see my OED?"

I happened across someone who owns the full multivolume paper edition of one of the classic older OEDs. It takes up about four linear feet of shelf space and it is absolutely beautiful.

Too big and heavy to grab it and run. I thought about that.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 21, 2014 06:01 PM (gqT4g)

550 >>>Someone found a Mosin carbine at the show this weekend and had it at the range blasting away. I shed a tear for you as I watched the Iowa Class muzzle flash. See, that's just mean. I have a Mosin in the safe that hasn't been fired (by me). 1944 from Izhevsk. Had it almost a year, all cleaned and ready to go. Driving me fucking nuts but the only place to shoot it around here I dropped my membership to after last year.

Posted by: DC in Towson at January 21, 2014 06:02 PM (eQJwb)

551 The thought of learning such a risibly complex language such as Latin only as a *mnemonic aid* >>

I never took Latin in school. But having a base learned growing up came in handy. So my experience may just be I recognize the number of technical terms I use with Latin bases so it would appear useful. But you are right I would have learned the terms without it.


Posted by: The Hickster at January 21, 2014 06:02 PM (TI3xG)

552 A beauty. This thing looks very nice. http://tinyurl.com/kns29nb Cool. Has a futuristic look to it.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 21, 2014 06:02 PM (UAMVq)

553 The proprietor of my local gun shop had occasion to speak with about a half dozen guys who have not only had to draw their CCW, but fire it in self defense. In every instance, the attacks were very close, very fast and very violent.

You won't be shooting from 10 yards away. If you are in a location where you are too close to parked vehicles or buildings, you better have it in your pocket, and your hand on it. You can buy another jacket after you shoot holes through the pocket.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 21, 2014 06:02 PM (4Mv1T)

554 Someone found a Mosin carbine at the show this weekend and had it at the range blasting away. I shed a tear for you as I watched the Iowa Class muzzle flash.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 21, 2014 09:58 PM (4Mv1T)




...i'll be in my bunk...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 06:03 PM (yh0zB)

555 "And English's awesome feature of simplified grammatical rules and limited conjugations (and no fucking conjugating nouns, for crying out loud). ... if a language is to expand its reach, it has to be... well, it can't be like Finnish."

Don't get us started. We'll be here all night and none of you will get a word in edgewise in any language.

Posted by: Esperantists at January 21, 2014 06:03 PM (gqT4g)

556 ONT is up.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2014 06:04 PM (TGgNi)

557 For a grand you can get two Groks that will go bang every time you pull the triggers...as long as they aren't Glock 36's...


Well, mine goes bang every time now, all it took was a replacement recoil spring. I understand they've quietly fixed the new generation of 36's.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 09:59 PM (yh0zB)

have a 30 and a 17C.  Not bad pistols at all.

As I said: if it works for you, it ain't stupid.

When I'm shooting my M9 I feel like I'm working my way up Kate Beckinsale's thighs.

Yeah.

Posted by: tangonine at January 21, 2014 06:04 PM (x3YFz)

558 Hei, laita se veitsi pois!

Posted by: toby928© at January 21, 2014 06:04 PM (QupBk)

559 This thing looks very nice. http://tinyurl.com/kns29nb **** Like a little piece of sculpture

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 21, 2014 06:05 PM (DmNpO)

560 >>>Talking is a simple thing. the rules of how to talk should not be this damned complicated. Ace, I really like these type posts, even if I almost never comment on topic because I'm way out of my depth. Keep it up. These learning-type posts, and the human-nature posts, are why my daily blog reading has gone from 20 or so in 2005 to one. And that's enough shameless ass kissing for tonight.

Posted by: DC in Towson at January 21, 2014 06:05 PM (eQJwb)

561 I have a Mosin in the safe that hasn't been fired (by me). 1944 from Izhevsk.



'43 Tula. They probably went to Berlin together.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 21, 2014 06:06 PM (yh0zB)

562 Old English husband was "wer" but the Vikings raped and pillaged that word out of the language. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 21, 2014 09:18 PM (ZPrif) ಠ_ಠ

Posted by: Ælfrēd se Grēata at January 21, 2014 06:06 PM (AymDN)

563 BC - 553 - It does indeed...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 06:06 PM (aDwsi)

564 DC - Still snowing?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 21, 2014 06:07 PM (aDwsi)

565 oh I guess I was right about Classical Latin. I had a hunch that it would not be spoken, *EXCEPT* by a small elite cadre, because it relies so damned heavily on schoolmaster drilling-- something lower-class people do not have. They learn language on the fly, outside of formal teaching. They cannot spend all their time conjugating nouns. I always knew there was a "vulgar latin" but I wasn't sure *when* vulgar latin came into being. Well, Vulgar latin -- more like italian, or French, or whatever -- was in fact spoken in Rome, at the height of rome, by most people: Classical Latin is the modern term used to describe the form of the Latin language recognized as standard by writers of the late Roman Republic and the Roman Empire. In some later periods it was regarded as "good" Latin, with later versions being seen as debased or corrupt. The word "Latin" is now taken by default as meaning "Classical Latin", so that, for example, modern Latin text books describe classical Latin. Marcus Tullius Cicero and his contemporaries of the late republic, while using lingua Latina and sermo Latinus to mean the Latin language as opposed to the Greek or other languages, and sermo vulgaris or sermo vulgi to refer to the vernacular of the uneducated and less-educated masses, regarded the speech they valued most and in which they wrote as Latinitas, "Latinity", with the implication of good. Sometimes it is called sermo familiaris, "speech of the good families", sermo urbanus, "speech of the city" or rarely sermo nobilis, "noble speech", but mainly besides Latinitas it was Latine (adverb), "in good Latin", or Latinius (comparative degree of adjective), "good Latin." ... See I suspected this because the first thing the people out in the provinces did -- France, Spain, etc. -- was greatly simplify the language. Talking just should be THIS complicated. So if they're doing that, if they realize that's a good idea, why wouldn't Romans themselves?

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 06:08 PM (/FnUH)

566 Didn't Tolkien use Finnish as the basis for creating his Elven language in LOR?

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at January 21, 2014 06:08 PM (acQMa)

567 "Baubles, bangles Hear how they jing-jing-a-lingle" Kismet, you fool!

Posted by: bergerbilder at January 21, 2014 06:09 PM (8MjqI)

568 The Finns I know hate Finnish.  Now I get a sense why.

Posted by: dogfish at January 21, 2014 06:10 PM (nsOJa)

569

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 21, 2014 10:00 PM (GEICT)

I carry two Bersa Thunder 380's

I think they're great.


Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 21, 2014 06:11 PM (BZAd3)

570 As fascinating as language is, where the hell did these thing come from? These things are like the weird crop cuttings but the are still here and nobody has any idea why they are there.

 

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2014 09:21 PM

 

 

Boredom. If you're stuck on Easter Island, what else are going to do?

Posted by: otho at January 21, 2014 06:12 PM (9gNQd)

571 "You won't be shooting from 10 yards away. If you are in a location where you are too close to parked vehicles or buildings, you better have it in your pocket, and your hand on it. You can buy another jacket after you shoot holes through the pocket."

Oy. I am aware of precisely one case in which someone fired their personal defense sidearm in a pocket, and that was by accident while trying to draw it under severe situational stress

That was a shrouded-hammer revolver and the fabric of their pocket lining still managed to hang up the cylinder and prevent a second shot. And actually prevented the completion of the draw.

Fortunately, the goblin in question disengaged and departed at speed at the sound of the first and only shot.

Perhaps someday someone will design a weapon deliberately designed to be fired from inside a pocket, but that day is not yet, so far as I know. (Shrouded cylinder to go with the shrouded hammer?)

Posted by: torquewrench at January 21, 2014 06:13 PM (gqT4g)

572 "Baubles, bangles" is a melody by Borodin. Eric Carmen didn't invent the ripoff.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 21, 2014 06:15 PM (xq1UY)

573 >>Boredom. If you're stuck on Easter Island, what else are going to do? What would I do? Fish and fap and find something I could distill into alcohol. Building giant heads out of stone would have been far down the list.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2014 06:16 PM (g1DWB)

574 Some years ago I went back to school to pick up some knowledge about computers and as a extra treat for myself signed up for a course on the history of the English language. OMG..was it fascinating! I enjoyed every single second I spent in that classroom. The professor was one of those rare creatures who was actually in awe of the subject he taught and passes the wider of our language one to his students. One of the joys of that class was discovering the Oxford English Dictionary. Probably the most amazing book in the English language. The history of the dictionary itself could be the subject for its own college course.

Posted by: Tuna at January 21, 2014 06:17 PM (M/TDA)

575 I'm an info junkie too. 

Posted by: rdbrewer at January 21, 2014 06:18 PM (Iyg03)

576 582 IPad thinks it knows more about English than I do. It changed "passed the wonder of our language on to his students" to " passes the wider of our language one to his students".

Posted by: Tuna at January 21, 2014 06:20 PM (M/TDA)

577 Tuna, you're not teasing it hard enough to keep their attention. Here's the book about the awesomeness that is the OED:
http://tinyurl.com/nzydpxs

His other one is called "The Meaning of Everything." Kind of says it all.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 21, 2014 06:30 PM (xq1UY)

578

A few months ago, I picked up "A Word or Two Before You Go: Brief Essays on Language" by Jacques Barzun. It's a fun little book, but then I'm a big Barzun fan.

 

 Although he was a native French speaker, Barzun thought English superior to both French and German because it offers two vocabularies, one abstract and formal and the other concrete and vernacular. You can say "concede" or "give in," "deliver" or "hand over," "insert" or "put in."

 

He said French lost much of its vocabulary during the Renaissance when it became more Latinized and now has very formal-sounding words for everyday else.

 

"The reason why American and English tourists think French hotel porters are highly educated is they say such things as "Monsieur est matinal, vous allez un spectacle; il serait prudent de prendre un impermeable; c'est un indigene." In fact no other words, except slang, are available.

 

Barzun, writing in the late '80's, put the word "homophobia" on his list of "Monsters to Keep At Bay." Well, unfortunately, he couldn't kill that one.

Posted by: Donna V. at January 21, 2014 06:33 PM (R3gO3)

579 Barzun's From Dawn to Decadence seems a relief after the rancor in Manchester's A World Lit Only by Fire.

Posted by: thoughts thoughts everywhere but not a moment to think at January 21, 2014 06:46 PM (R6JT1)

580 yeah some languages are going to die, and it's their own damn fault. Some languages are going to be bludgeoned to death.

Posted by: Ghabberflasted at January 21, 2014 06:48 PM (w+SvP)

581 >>>He said French lost much of its vocabulary during the Renaissance when it became more Latinized and now has very formal-sounding words for everyday else. I didn't know that. I knew *something* like that. The Acadamie Francaise spelled words to signal the Latin, even though the populace had long stopped pronouncing them that way. For example: "temps," for "time" (or... weather, like "the weather we're experiencing at this time"). Anyway, no one says "tempus" or "temps" and no one had for 500 years. They said "toh(n)" (nasalized n barely present. And indeed many people spelled it "Ton" or "ten." Which is how you'd say it. But the Academie wanted to tie French to its Latin roots because More Educated, and thus insisted on spelling it "temps." They didn't do TOO much of that, but they did "misspell" words to agree with a Latin root. I'm thinking that what you're talking about must be related to this, some effort to re-Latinize French. French had in fact been Germanized, to some extent.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 06:51 PM (/FnUH)

582 i'm amused that the a very casual way to say "no hurry" in French is "sans precipitation." That's casual-- "precipitation." The full Latin for "falling upon."

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 06:52 PM (/FnUH)

583 oh and it probably had been Celticized as well. Brettany spoke a version of Celtic.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 06:55 PM (/FnUH)

584 what does "c'est un indigene" mean in that sentence? All I can get from the dictionary is indigenous person, which doesn't make sense with the rest of it.

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 07:01 PM (/FnUH)

585
My daughter told me that she and her friends play a Wikipedia game. It's like the Kevin Bacon game: take two completely dissociated topics, and see how many links you have to click on to get from the one to the other: the one with the shortest path wins.

I'm afraid to play: I could easily lose hours just randomly clicking.

Posted by: Brown Line at January 21, 2014 07:02 PM (a5bF3)

586 The other thing about Wikipedia is it is entirely unreliable about living persons, politicians, and anything involving controversy.  The supervising editors are all liberals and if they have to come down on a side of something, it will be the left's side.  Elizabeth Warren was a good example, her people edited the page several times a day while she was running for Senate, deleting all the evidence of her lying about her heritage to get jobs.

But it is the same on others, and to a lesser extent anyone remotely controversial in their own field, however esoteric.

"Antman" was just a Marvel rip-off of DC's The Atom, but once he partnered with The Wasp it became apparent that there was little need for two very tiny heroes, so the one who couldn't fly was expendable.  Antman morphed into Giant-Man and then Goliath for a time before being written out of most stories, he had never really generated any independent following.  The idea and costume of Antman remained, and a couple of others took on the role later, but it was never a first rank comic hero.

Posted by: Adjoran at January 21, 2014 07:03 PM (473jB)

587 did you mean indignité?

Posted by: ace at January 21, 2014 07:03 PM (/FnUH)

588 You got wikled.

Posted by: RokShox at January 21, 2014 07:29 PM (8MMMw)

589 Formalizing French borders took centuries, due to invasions, dynastic civil wars and feudal lords claiming sovereign powers. Germany's borders were fluid for centuries longer. Lands belonging to other countries were conqured and annexed by France. So, one's language and national identity could easily change within a short span of time. As France's boundaries solidified, its ruling dynasty used language to reinforce national identity and proclaim a superior culture. Thus, the fuss over a pure form of French, rejecting Germanic or English influences on its people. One more aspect of the European political chess match.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at January 21, 2014 07:40 PM (acQMa)

590 "I had a hunch that it would not be spoken, *EXCEPT* by a small elite cadre" Historians would agree. Latin was spoken by approximately 2 percent of Europe's population during the Middle Ages and early Renaissance periods. Most of which were the clergy and nobility who used Latin to communicate in diplomatic exchanges, church rituals, universities, and continental travel. A small group, but their ability to communicate in a common language had a significant impact on European culture and history.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at January 21, 2014 07:52 PM (acQMa)

591 What hath "penchant" wrought?

Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 21, 2014 08:22 PM (DQZLr)

592

Ace, in the book I got that quote out of "indigene" is italiicized, as is "matinal," "spectacle," "prudent" and "impermeable." I didn't italicize them (also, they're not accented), so the quote is more confusing online than it is in the dead tree version. My understanding of "indigene" is the same as yours (I'm working off of vaguely remembered school French; I'm very far from being fluent!), but I thought Barzun was just presenting scattered phrases illustrating examples of French words which might sound fancy to an English speaker.

 

I also thought this was interesting. He wrote about how  language influences the way people think and said: "When philosophy stopped being written in Latin, the English school that arose was the Empiricist - thinkers who believed in the primacy of things: ideas were viewed as coming from objects in the world concretely felt. In French philosophy, notions came first: abstract words breed generalities and the world of thought is seen as cut off from the world of things. See M. Descartes. The historians Tocqueville and Taine thought that some of the greatest errors of the French Revolution were due to unconscious and misplaced abstraction."

 

 And he also thought that American academics were (and are) guilty of muddying up English, and making it more abstract and foggy and as a result, we're increasingly less able to think sharp and straight about anything.

Posted by: Donna V. at January 21, 2014 08:49 PM (R3gO3)

593 Would the frequentive form of "timesuck" be "timesuckle?"

Posted by: RickH at January 21, 2014 09:02 PM (PBEqx)

594 That is amazingly cool and I never, ever heard that before.

Posted by: Jocon307 at January 21, 2014 09:18 PM (7+F2i)

595 This might be the first praise I have ever read of Wiki.  Getting too old (me, not Wiki) to be sure.

Wiki might be the foremost invention of a long time. 

Folks who do not consult Wiki a dozen times a day (and receive immense satisfaction) are ... some negative type of person.

I have always loved National Enquirer, and have always been impressed with their true information for my enquiringly mind.

NI and Wiki are not nearly the same except for one thing.

They are not Soviet style sources of information and absurdly tedious as all Leftist media is.

They are non-Leftist.  How refreshing.

Americans who consult National Inquirer and Wiki are not looking up at the thumb.

  

Posted by: Tonawanda at January 21, 2014 09:19 PM (mE1l+)

596 It strikes me, non-Leftists could make a huge cultural thing about Wiki.

Nothing overt, just constant justified reference.

A site could even feature a daily ref to Wiki which is awesome, like human knowledge ("or something," to use a tiresome phrase by the prose challenged).

Who does not need to be reminded what the Wilmot Proviso was about?

Posted by: Tonawanda at January 21, 2014 09:27 PM (mE1l+)

597 For years I've been shlepping 26 volumes of Encylopedia Brittanica circa 1965 because the writing is not politically correct and it's AWESOME.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at January 22, 2014 12:17 AM (dTh2r)

598 oh and btw, political correctness is human stupidity writ large.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at January 22, 2014 12:20 AM (dTh2r)

599 Can we call ace a wikipiddler?

Posted by: ThomasD at January 22, 2014 03:06 AM (FA+FN)

600 In the 70's, it was the dictionary for me - look up a word, leads to another... holy shit, it's 2 hours later?

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at January 22, 2014 04:36 AM (3ONFH)

601 I'm probably too late to this party, but re: Wikipedia and 6-degrees-of-separation games, this is cool: - http://mu.netsoc.ie/wiki/ It basically will find the linkage (shortest path) from any article to any article on wikipedia.

Posted by: William at January 22, 2014 05:15 AM (VTZqK)

602 Hey ACE - want a timesuck in French? Then check out:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/m6nx84d

http:// freebabylon5fr . blogspot . com

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at January 22, 2014 05:52 AM (3ONFH)

603 Oh yeah - their Twitter page:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/kru2un8
https:// twitter.com/ FreeBabylon 5FR

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at January 22, 2014 05:55 AM (3ONFH)

604 One late last comment: what an enjoyable thread! I loved these fantastic comments and the word play. I should admit that although I encourage students to use direct sources rather than wiki; I use it too on a casual basis, and for the joy of getting lost in their jungle of information. Wikipedia is a valuable resource for general fact checking and accessing great resource reading.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at January 22, 2014 06:14 AM (acQMa)

605 Ace, great great book on subject of Latin evolution:  Ad Infinitum by Ostler.  It helps to know Latin, but not essential.  You'd grasp it easily. 

Anyhoo, frequentative also exists in Latin.  They would take the perfect passive participle (fourth principal part when you were learning verbs in your two weeks) and turn it into a first conjugation verb.  I'd give you examples but you'd be bored.

Posted by: bledsoe at January 22, 2014 06:48 AM (g7SfB)

606

"I can't say that I wankle instead of "wank" to indicate the repetitive mechanical fury with which I abuse myself, whirring and sparking like a misfiring industrial robot."

Apropos your "bat -> batter" example, however, you ARE a wanker. So, yes you can still do it.

 

"Is this awesome or am I just easily amused?"

Not sure those are mutually exclusive.

 

I can drown in wikipedia, too. When preparing to write a character for a story, I start researching all sorts of things on the internet, learning about obscure bits of history and odd cultures and origins of names and snippets of languages. And you can suddenly look up and it's dark outside and you wonder where the day has gone.

 

Posted by: GWB at January 22, 2014 08:01 AM (zFh/A)

607 "607 Can we call ace a wikipiddler?

Posted by: ThomasD at January 22, 2014 07:06 AM (FA+FN)"

How about a "wikipediophile"?

 

Posted by: GWB at January 22, 2014 08:03 AM (zFh/A)

608 I used to read the encyclopedia that way, but now I just fill so uneducated... I never get lost in wiki... I look... at stuff then move on. Are you saying that you wikile? Or wikier?

Posted by: petunia at January 22, 2014 11:06 AM (DAcBA)

609 One of the games we like to play at work is how many clicks of Wikipedia does it take to get to "Norwegian Black Death Metal". So far, 5 is the most we have ever had to do from any subject

Posted by: stormcooper at January 22, 2014 12:11 PM (6mijs)

610 Best Wikiwander evar: Here.

Posted by: Tam at January 22, 2014 01:01 PM (siKsH)

611 Links are hard! Here: http://goo.gl/E4p89L

Posted by: Tam at January 22, 2014 01:02 PM (siKsH)

612 I don't know if these have been posted yet, but here are a few examples of words I suspect started as frequentive conjugations...

drip --> dribble
piss --> piddle
tweet --> twitter

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at January 22, 2014 05:36 PM (/96QU)

613 Oh, and I also suspect that the other frequentive suffix was added to bat and pat to form the words battle and paddle.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at January 22, 2014 06:08 PM (/96QU)

614 This is fascinating stuff! I never knew about it.

I also really liked Donna's comment at #150 about the furnishings of a castle hall and the effects they had on our language. I think that's also why it's considered rude to put your elbows on the table while eating, because you're putting extra weight on your side of the board, and you could cause it to fall off the sawhorses.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at January 22, 2014 06:14 PM (/96QU)

615 Oh, hey, I just looked at the Wikipedia entry and saw that dribble, piddle, and twitter were all listed as examples. Guess I should've taken a look before posting that comment; ah, well.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at January 22, 2014 07:20 PM (/96QU)

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