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January 03, 2014

Why Does Obama Grant Exemptions for Obamacare Left and Right, And Yet Refuses To Do So for Faith Objectors?
— Ace

Via NRO, this sounds exactly right.

How can you diagnose when somebody is suffering from ideological obsession?
Consider the case of the Affordable Care Act. This law was supposed to provide for universal health insurance for all Americans. Yet the law is filled with exemptions, and the Administration has granted even more exceptions and exemptions as the implementation date for the law approached on New YearÂ’s Day.
Here are just a few of the exemptions that were incorporated in the law itself: people who canÂ’t afford coverage, even with a subsidy; people with income levels too low to require filing a federal tax return; members of certain Indian tribes; people who can claim a hardship; people who will have a short gap in their coverage; members of certain religious groups that conscientiously oppose insurance benefit programs (e.g., the Amish); members of a Â“health care sharing ministryÂ”; people in prison; and people who are not lawfully in the United States.
In the last few months, with all the mess associated with the new health exchange websites, and all the other chaos associated with the law, the Administration has granted new exemptions...

So, what does this have to do with ideology? Well, despite all those other exemptions, waivers and extensions, one group has not been able to obtain an exemption, despite repeatedly asking for it, petitioning for it, and finally suing for it Â— religious organizations that have a moral objection to facilitating contraception, sterilization, and abortion, as would be required under the so-called HHS Mandate.
For these groups, there is no flexibility at all. There is instead an adamant insistence that they will have to cooperate, regardless of their deeply-held religious beliefs. The Amish get out of the law entirely, but when it comes to Catholic dioceses, schools and charities agencies, the government offers nothing except artificial and unsatisfactory Â“accommodationsÂ”.
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The government wonÂ’t even grant temporary respite while legal challenges are working their way through the courts. They canÂ’t even bring themselves to give a break to the Little Sisters of the Poor, who spend their entire lives caring for needy elderly people.
Why is this? ItÂ’s not that hard to understand. The current Administration is entirely beholden to an ideology of sexual liberationism that considers contraception, sterilization and abortion to be Â“sacred groundÂ”. They consider this ideology to be so central to life that they will brook no opposition, and will do whatever it takes to bring to heel anyone who opposes them.
That is an ideological obsession. It is dangerous to the souls of those who suffer from it, and it is dangerous to any society in which they wield power.

This reminds me of the suspension of Phil Robertson. It's not about the positions themselves. I think gays and the gay-friendly have the right to argue for greater accommodation of gays, and I think it's just swell if women wish to dwell exclusively on "women's issues," fixating entirely upon reproduction. Back to the Future, you know. The way it used to be.

The problem comes in that you are not even permitted to disagree. You cannot object; you cannot opt-out. The various Leftist Cultural Asks are, apparently, so powerfully certain and true that the government will actually legally punish you for suggesting otherwise.

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1 power baby power

Posted by: just a crank at January 03, 2014 01:16 PM (hqVUe)

2 Only a specific kind of diversity is allowed.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at January 03, 2014 01:17 PM (cUbs5)

3 Eat Your Peas.

Posted by: Barakhenaten I at January 03, 2014 01:17 PM (t25XY)

4 Because we are pussies.

Posted by: dogfish at January 03, 2014 01:18 PM (nsOJa)

5 It's not just the dirty Amish, Muslims have an opt out on Obamacare too. Christian's beliefs matter less to liberals than Muslims. Progress.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2014 01:18 PM (g1DWB)

6 Almost as if they were a bunch of tyrants fomenting hate and discontent.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 03, 2014 01:19 PM (60Vyp)

7 Somebody get willow. Hell, somebody get the horde.

Posted by: J. Random Dudes phone at January 03, 2014 01:19 PM (MLKRR)

8 Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 01:19 PM (qc7at)

9 Hell you forgot McDonald's--I think we gave them an exception.

Posted by: Joe Biden Your Extra Secret President at January 03, 2014 01:19 PM (RJMhd)

10 It isn't sexual liberationism, it is libertinism that they favor. Convention is anathema to them.

Posted by: huerfano at January 03, 2014 01:19 PM (bAGA/)

Ruling by fiat and the preezy's personal bias. It's tyranny. No other word for it.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 01:19 PM (FUGEC)

12 Was on I85 today in SC and saw a Cardinal Health semi. On the back someone had written in huge letters OBAMACARE LOL. We laughed.

Posted by: NCKate at January 03, 2014 01:20 PM (Auy5s)

13 Who pays for Amish girls contraception?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 03, 2014 01:20 PM (g4TxM)

14 Most of what Obama does can be boiled down to "F@$% you, I won."
It's as simple as that. He doesn't need to be consistent or compromise or any of that other b.s. He.Won.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 03, 2014 01:20 PM (POpqt)

15 It's not just the dirty Amish, Muslims have an opt out on Obamacare too. Christian's beliefs matter less to liberals than Muslims. That's because Christian's won't hack off heads. Yet.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 01:20 PM (qc7at)

@5 It's not just the dirty Amish, Muslims have an opt out on Obamacare too. Christian's beliefs matter less to liberals than Muslims.

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And that's before anyone loses their head over the matter, too.

Posted by: junior at January 03, 2014 01:20 PM (UWFpX)

17 Affirmative Action has Consequences.

Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2014 01:20 PM (t25XY)

18 Thou shall have no other states before me.

Posted by: Mustbequantum at January 03, 2014 01:21 PM (MIKMs)

19 It's nothing more complex than the granting of faith based exemption means he is not able to shake down the people getting it, nor deny some but reward others once that dam opens.

He is either a zealot or nothing more than a Chicago Machine Corruptocrat....

neither one will budge

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 01:21 PM (TE35l)

20 Who pays for Amish girls contraception?

The sheep.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2014 01:21 PM (SY2Kh)

21 Why Does Obama Grant Exemptions for Obamacare Left and Right, And Yet Refuses To Do So for Faith Objectors?

Because he hates them

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 03, 2014 01:21 PM (1Jaio)

22 Who pays for Amish girls contraception? Her father & brothers with a skinning knife?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 01:22 PM (qc7at)

23 The current Administration is entirely beholden to an ideology of sexual liberationism that considers contraception, sterilization and abortion to be Â“sacred groundÂ”. That and "Christian" Obama and his acolytes really, really hate the RCC. The faux messiah doesn't brook any challenges.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 03, 2014 01:22 PM (BC6cY)

24 It's also about pushing the religious, especially Catholics out of the public realm. They're the largest competitors to secular hospitals and public schools, not to mention all the charity they do which competes with the gov't handing out checks. That's part of the reason they don't really mind exempting the Amish; they're already gone.

Posted by: AMDG at January 03, 2014 01:23 PM (t7OO0)

25 Who pays for Amish girls contraception? Brother Chelsea.

Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2014 01:23 PM (t25XY)

26 osted by: AMDG at January 03, 2014 05:23 PM (t7OO0) BINGO!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 03, 2014 01:24 PM (BC6cY)

27 5 JackStraw at January 03, 2014 05:18 PM (g1DWB)

Obama has set himself up as referee over whether people really believe in their faith or the faith/doctrine itself is worthy.

Evidently the Amish and the Muslims were found wholesome and the Christians wanting.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 01:24 PM (TE35l)

28 Obama also signed two executive orders related to gun background checks.
I'm sure citizens will be shocked, shocked to learn that Obamacare enables the state to access your health records for things other than health care. But really, they care about your mental health (and using any issues with it to take away your gun rights).

Posted by: Lizzy at January 03, 2014 01:24 PM (POpqt)

29 Good example: Mr. Starbuck's. Unless you agree that gays can marry and openly support it, he doesn't want your business, in fact he tells you to fuck off.

Posted by: Bean Pies, ey? at January 03, 2014 01:24 PM (Qev5V)

30 Leftists attempt to maximize libidinousness because they believe that "hoes" vote Democrat. They also attempt to "deconstruct" the actual family for the same reason.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2014 01:24 PM (DhGW2)

31 came across an old X tape, ya I know, obammy hit and run all of us

Posted by: just a crank at January 03, 2014 01:24 PM (hqVUe)

21 Because he hates them

Succinct.

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2014 01:25 PM (wAQA5)

33 Good example: Mr. Starbuck's. Unless you agree that gays can marry and openly support it, he doesn't want your business, in fact he tells you to fuck off.

Posted by: Bean Pies, ey? at January 03, 2014 05:24 PM (Qev5V)

Right back at him. Fuck him and his shitty overpriced coffee

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 03, 2014 01:25 PM (1Jaio)

34 24 It's also about pushing the religious, especially Catholics out of the public realm. They're the largest competitors to secular hospitals and public schools, not to mention all the charity they do which competes with the gov't handing out checks. That's part of the reason they don't really mind exempting the Amish; they're already gone. Posted by: AMDG at January 03, 2014 05:23 PM (t7OO0) Don't forget adoptions.

Posted by: Bean Pies, ey? at January 03, 2014 01:25 PM (Qev5V)

35 Here's a little bit of irony. In Citizens United, IIANM, they argued that corporations (group associations) are not individuals and shouldn't be accorded the same rights as people. In the case of Obamacare, they seem to be arguing that individuals are not groups, and therefore are not accorded the same exemptions as are given to certain groups (e.g. Amish). Am I wrong?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 03, 2014 01:25 PM (g4TxM)

36 Get out in the streets and in their faces! Whose streets?! Our faces! Get out the meats and in their places. Whose feces?! Our treats!

Posted by: Ratchety Deadbeat McClock-Sprung III, activist at January 03, 2014 01:25 PM (R6JT1)

37 The churches should reorganize and call themselves unions. Problem solved. First Baptist Brotherhood of Water Divers.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2014 01:26 PM (0FSuD)

38 Don't forget adoptions. Posted by: Bean Pies, ey? at January 03, 2014 05:25 PM (Qev5V) Yep. Except in MA, where they've already been forced out.

Posted by: AMDG at January 03, 2014 01:26 PM (t7OO0)

39 BINGO! Anytime I we that now, I think of pantless Bingo.

Posted by: fluffy at January 03, 2014 01:26 PM (Ua6T/)

40 If only there were a branch of government that would provide a check and/or a balance to to a President who exercised such flagrant disregard for the laws that were created and passed by that branch. Oh well, if Barky McFuckstain and his minions don't have to abide by the law, then apparently we don't either.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 03, 2014 01:27 PM (60Vyp)

41 Welcome to our New World of Soft Tyranny.

Your chocolate rations will increase from 2 oz to 1 oz.

/we have always been at war with conservatives...

Posted by: shibumi at January 03, 2014 01:28 PM (25HWz)

42 Once you start using dangerous hate speech like "opt out" the next thing you know the slippery slope has created a horrific world where people drive cars that get bad mileage, drink 32 ounce sodas, and home school their kids in large numbers. Then you have the dangerous slip of the overton window and crazy talk like privatizing social security starts to be heard.

Trust me, you don't want that.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at January 03, 2014 01:28 PM (kxSZr)

You got me!

Yes, I am a thought Criminal

Posted by: Refresh Data at January 03, 2014 01:28 PM (q+zA9)

44 It is, and always has been, about purging religion from society in order for the Left's utopian ramblings to be implemented. The "it's not a violation of the 1st Amendment because it applies equally to secular groups" ignores that obvious fact that this is being pushed in order to target religious groupsÂ… that exemptions for so many others is tossed around freely is evidence of this.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 03, 2014 01:28 PM (XvHmy)

Funny how the Muslims share many of the same restrictions in regards to reproductive "health", and nobody says "Boo".

Their religious beliefs are RESPECTED by this administration - to the point that they are completely exempt from having to purchase any insurance, due to a moral repulsion for insurance products in general.

It's all about equality and fairness, though, right?

Posted by: Teresa Hamilton Koch at January 03, 2014 01:29 PM (PZ6/M)

46 He refuses because the religious folks of this country are not his people. They are the antithesis of Obmam and he knows it with every fiber of his being.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, shhh, be a little quieter, some of us are trying to sleep. at January 03, 2014 01:29 PM (kXoT0)

47 Catholics have a doctrine of sin. You cannot do good while doing evil. The evil pollutes the act throughout. We cannot provide these charitable hospitals or catholic schools if we must commit grave sin to do so. The goal here is to either permanently corrupt the Catholic Church to the relativist doctrine so that they can be controlled in the future, or, drive them from the public square so we are of no consequence.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at January 03, 2014 01:29 PM (0q2P7)

48 He is either a zealot or nothing more than a Chicago Machine Corruptocrat....

neither one will budge

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 05:21 PM (TE35l)

The two--ideological zealot and corrupt machine politician--are not mutually exclusive. Both come from the same poisoned well.

Posted by: troyriser at January 03, 2014 01:29 PM (gNlvW)

49 Tami I think mentioned today that cocksucker Starbucks CEO's message to customers and investors: If you're pro traditional marriage, you're not wanted at Starbucks. He said this, get this, for the sake of diversity.

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 03, 2014 01:30 PM (ka6ta)

50 24 It's also about pushing the religious, especially Catholics out of the public realm. They're the largest competitors to secular hospitals and public schools, not to mention all the charity they do which competes with the gov't handing out checks. That's part of the reason they don't really mind exempting the Amish; they're already gone. Posted by: AMDG at January 03, 2014 05:23 PM (t7OO0) -------------------------------- BINGO. Caesar is a jealous god. Very jealous.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 03, 2014 01:30 PM (dfYL9)

51 They also believe that women who have had abortions or are "addicted" to abortions and the "abortion-fueled" life style are much more likely to vote Democrat. Generally, morally compromised people and people who come from or are a "part" of a nontraditional/dysfunctional family and engage in a nontraditional/dysfunctional life style are much more likely to be Statists and to vote Democrat and always will be. As such, Leftists favor and encourage the normalization of these 'marvelous innovations full of Progress and Win.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2014 01:30 PM (DhGW2)

52 Obama also signed two executive orders related to gun background checks.
I'm sure citizens will be shocked, shocked to learn that Obamacare enables the state to access your health records for things other than health care. But really, they care about your mental health (and using any issues with it to take away your gun rights).

Posted by: Lizzy at January 03, 2014 05:24 PM (POpqt)

What's sad is that they've already more or less disarmed the American populace. Political correctness has taken care of that.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 01:31 PM (FUGEC)

Ace, you have answered this one yourself a long time ago.

Why?

Becasue, Fuck You!

That's why!

Posted by: drill_thrawl at January 03, 2014 01:31 PM (/2ciC)

54 I seem to have a magical knack for getting comment #42.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at January 03, 2014 01:31 PM (kxSZr)

55 and I think it's just swell if women wish to dwell exclusively on "women's issues," fixating entirely upon reproduction. Of course, most of those who focus on women's issues are, for one reason or another, not the least bit interested in any part of reproduction.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2014 01:31 PM (T0NGe)

56 Bernard Nathanson was one of the original founders of NARAL. He letter repented of his role in the legalization of abortion and became a staunch pro-life activist. Among many of the horrific stories he tells, one in particular stands out. He and the other founders of NARAL plotted to make the Catholic church the "designated villain" and mounted a huge PR campaign to a)discredit the church and b) make it seem that all opposition to abortion came from the discredited church. Obviously, it worked. He also talked about pushing fake polls that showed public support for legalized abortion when the reality was exactly opposite. Remember. Leftists lie. It's what they do.

Posted by: Lauren at January 03, 2014 01:32 PM (hFL/3)

57 I WON!!!!ELEVENTY!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama Mmm Mmm Mmm at January 03, 2014 01:32 PM (o6g4X)

58 They aren't going to do a power-grab like OCare and not use it to smash their political enemies. Practicing Christians are their enemy, dude.

Posted by: --- at January 03, 2014 01:32 PM (MMC8r)

13 Who pays for Amish girls contraception?

And their designer vaginers?

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2014 01:33 PM (wAQA5)

60 48 troyriser at January 03, 2014 05:29 PM (gNlvW)

I'm not sure he is sophisticated enough a mind to work both angles Troy not being combative.

I lean more towards he is a zealot who was empowered by the corruptocrat Chicago machine and $oro$ because "historic first" and the media collusion in hiding his past....

I am betting his curricula vitae was of a true believer and he was given a come to Jesus and calm the hell down and hide sermon by ValJar and Ayers in the late 90s/early 2000s and morphed into "Present!" and "Man from Nowhere"

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 01:33 PM (TE35l)

61 Furthermore, Atheists are more likely to be Statists or at least hipsters and to vote Democrat and Leftists therefore encourage "compulsory Atheism." But it does not seem entirely a matter of political cynicism and opportunism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2014 01:33 PM (DhGW2)

62
There is no god but the Leftist god!

Posted by: Teh Leftists at January 03, 2014 01:33 PM (MaP11)

63 Their religious beliefs are RESPECTED by this administration - to the point that they are completely exempt from having to purchase any insurance, due to a moral repulsion for insurance products in general.

It's all about equality and fairness, though, right?

Posted by: Teresa Hamilton Koch at January 03, 2014 05:29 PM (PZ6/M)

Actually, it's because those wacky mullahs will cut a bitch. As a matter of simple fact and faith, it is done every day under Sharia law to stunning silence by the feminists. Funny how the Muslim Patriarchy can mutilate and murder their women and girls with impunity, but, other faiths are excoriated for the simplest and mildest strictures on women and their "reproductive rights and options.".

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, shhh, be a little quieter, some of us are trying to sleep. at January 03, 2014 01:33 PM (kXoT0)

64 Which is to say, Leftists have a less-than-rational attachment to Atheism, verging on the transcendental or romantic.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2014 01:34 PM (DhGW2)

65 So, just how bad is the audio on the podcast this week?

Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2014 01:34 PM (t25XY)

66 If you're surprised by the revelation that Obama hates christians (welcome to 2006), raise your hand.

To quote my esteemed colleague from Hannah Montana:

"like, duh?"

Beuller? Beuller?

Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 01:34 PM (x3YFz)

67 JOHN, I HAVE A BRACELET TOO!!!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama Mmm Mmm Mmm at January 03, 2014 01:35 PM (o6g4X)

68 And with this post I am off, because it is making me violate my new year's resolution of not imagining lefties impaled on stakes while be set on fire...

I feel as if one of their goals is to make me so angry with them that I sin and drive myself from God. It's bothered me for a while, and I'm going to stop being so angry.

Posted by: Gman at January 03, 2014 01:35 PM (UkbKS)

69 I also suspect Obama hates "Americans."

Hell, I don't suspect it. I KNOW it.

Posted by: shibumi at January 03, 2014 01:35 PM (25HWz)

70 when Michelle said Barack will not allow you to go back to your lives uninformed and uninvolved she was talking to Catholics

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 03, 2014 01:35 PM (RLTt1)

71 63 Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, shhh, be a little quieter, some of us are trying to sleep. at January 03, 2014 05:33 PM (kXoT

I called it in the wake of Jungle John Kerry's Loss in 2004 that the left was basically saying that the only sane answer for next generations Christianity was to cut off some heads.

Nothing they have done has disabused me of that notion.

Al Qaeda controls Fallujah again.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 01:36 PM (TE35l)

72 "The problem comes in that you are not even permitted to disagree. You cannot object; you cannot opt-out. The various Leftist Cultural Asks are, apparently, so powerfully certain and true that the government will actually legally punish you for suggesting otherwise." And of course it's CRAZY TALK to suggest that you will one day be forced to participate. Right Jeff B.?

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 01:36 PM (bb5+k)

73 Yeah,the left just despises religion and religious people.Have you seen what that " comedian" said about Oklahoma tornado survivors?Leftism is their god and it is a jealous god.

Posted by: steevy at January 03, 2014 01:37 PM (zqvg6)

74 Remember. Leftists lie. It's what they do. Al Qaeda had nothing to do with Benghazi...It was an organic protest that arose from a video...Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton are vindicated....

Posted by: NYT at January 03, 2014 01:37 PM (o6g4X)

75 also what about the shiftless Quakers

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 03, 2014 01:37 PM (RLTt1)

76 >>He refuses because the religious folks of this country are not his people. They are the antithesis of Obmam and he knows it with every fiber of his being.

The worship a higher being than Obama. The greatest sin of all.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 03, 2014 01:37 PM (POpqt)

77 72 D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 05:36 PM (bb5+k)

I think the Nation will break down before it gets that bad everywhere but yeah.

Whatever this is, it is not what I took the oath to defend.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 01:37 PM (TE35l)

78 Thanks for the well-wishes in the last thread everyone! Have a good night

Posted by: Gman at January 03, 2014 01:37 PM (UkbKS)

79 you can't change the truth by burning the pages of a book.......... mr wordsworth

Posted by: just a crank at January 03, 2014 01:37 PM (hqVUe)

80 I'm thinking that what's driving this is that old Stanley Dunham had black and whites of some wildass photo sessions that Barky was never meant to see. Shriveled his little man-grapes.

Posted by: Fritz at January 03, 2014 01:38 PM (UzPAd)

81 what about the shiftless Quakers Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 03, 2014 05:37 PM (RLTt1) ***** Well, in all fairness, they do deserve a break because of preventive healthcare measures. Their oats will lower cholesterol levels.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 03, 2014 01:38 PM (g4TxM)

82 It's not about leveling the playing field. It's all about clearing it. In any fair and civil debate, the left loses every single time. The only solution to that, as far as they are concerned, is to yell louder and intimidate by every means at their disposal.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 01:39 PM (olDqf)

83 OT Rand Paul filing lawsuit against NSA as a citizen not a senator. Wish some gutsy senator would do the same with Obamacare.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 03, 2014 01:39 PM (HVff2)

84 The New Leftist Man is quite similar to the New Soviet Man, differing mainly in a greater degree of acceptance of reality when it comes to economic matters. The same sort of acceptance Lenin came to embrace when he concluded that economic Communism was unworkable and initiated the NEP. Stalin then proceeded to undo the NEP and restore economic Communism to its "full potential." Mainly because Stalin hated Communism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2014 01:39 PM (DhGW2)

85 68 And with this post I am off, because it is making me violate my new year's resolution of not imagining lefties impaled on stakes while be set on fire...

I feel as if one of their goals is to make me so angry with them that I sin and drive myself from God. It's bothered me for a while, and I'm going to stop being so angry.

Posted by: Gman at January 03, 2014 05:35 PM (UkbKS)

It's ok, buddy. We gotcha. Step away for a week or two like I do and go fishin'. God didn't make us care so we wouldn't care, so file that away.

Just temper it with wisdom. Bad shit is where you learn what your made of. Anyone can do daisys and butterflies. Strength comes from not losing your shit when you have a crapstorm right in your face.

Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 01:40 PM (x3YFz)

86 81 Well, in all fairness, they do deserve a break because of preventive healthcare measures. Their oats will lower cholesterol levels. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 03, 2014 05:38 PM (g4TxM) Fuck that. Oats are a gout trigger. And the Quakers are squarely in the anti-Israel/pro-Philistinian camp.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 01:40 PM (olDqf)

87 "But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve .... But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.Â”

~ Joshua 24:15

Posted by: grammie winger at January 03, 2014 01:41 PM (P6QsQ)

88
This obama feller is exactly who we all know he is. He knows he has the power and he will use it like a tyrant. From A to Z and soup to nuts, if you are on the other side of any issue, you will be attacked by the govt. He has like minded people in the IRS and Justice, plus all the other letter depts and they mean to do harm while they have the power.

How can it not be a national scandal that a K.O. game white guy gets charged with a hate crime but not any blacks by the black guy heading Justice? And this is one of the minor scandals.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 03, 2014 01:41 PM (MaP11)

89 Sure, it's an ideological obsession. It's also a realization that traditional Christianity, i.e., Catholicisim, does not acknowledge the supremacy of reason, or the left's version of reason. Catholics think of God and His law as supreme. The Church thus stands in Obama's way.

So it's a point of resistance to the State, regardless of whether they like illegal immigration or contraception. L'etat c'est mois, Obama believes, and he really believes it, or believes it's absolutely necessary to act as if he believes it. Likewise, the family is a focus of resistance, so it must be destroyed too.

Posted by: PJ at January 03, 2014 01:41 PM (ZWaLo)

90 I also suspect Obama hates "Americans."

Hell, I don't suspect it. I KNOW it.

Posted by: shibumi at January 03, 2014 05:35 PM (25HWz)

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He hates Americans AND everything traditional or good about America. Again, the sad part. We're letting him do it because we don't want to upset the people who think civil disobedience is icky.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 01:41 PM (FUGEC)

91 64 Which is to say, Leftists have a less-than-rational attachment to Atheism, verging on the transcendental or romantic. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2014 05:34 PM (DhGW2) ------------------------------------------ Which is to say that they are not really atheists, but anti-theists. A whole different order.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 03, 2014 01:41 PM (dfYL9)

92 In case you haven't noticed, those crazy Femen protesters have been committing violent acts on churches/churchgoers over abortion rights in Europe and South America (like peeing on the alter and physically attacking priests). I'm not so sure that won't eventually happen here.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 03, 2014 01:41 PM (POpqt)

93 God is in control. God's choices are always right. He is capable of carrying out any project to a successful conclusion without the possibility of fault or failure. Nothing in His universe happens by chance or accident. For every effect there is a cause. God "worketh all things after the counsel of His own will: That we should be to the praise of his glory" (Ephesians 1:11-12). Yes, God is in control.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 03, 2014 01:42 PM (R8hU8)

94 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 05:40 PM (olDqf) **** Okey, dokey. Well then, how about the well known Quaker Aspen trees. Doesn't an aspen a day help prevent stroke and heart attack?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 03, 2014 01:42 PM (g4TxM)

95 Whatever this is, it is not what I took the oath to defend. Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 05:37 PM (TE35l) I'm empathizing with how non Nazi Germans felt in Nazi Germany. The crowd is carrying me down a road which I do not wish to go down.

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 01:42 PM (bb5+k)

96 "...But those that seek my soul, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth. They shall fall by the sword: they shall be a portion for foxes. But the king shall rejoice in G-d; every one that sweareth by him shall glory: but the mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped." Psalm of David, 63 (excerpt)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 01:42 PM (olDqf)

97 Oh, wait, my bad. That is Quaking Aspen. Nevermind.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 03, 2014 01:42 PM (g4TxM)

98 Vanguard Leftists do everything possible to win the Culture War because they understand and appreciate that those who win the culture do end up winning everything else as well, sooner or later. And, that, in fact, once one has won the culture, everything else is pretty much irrelevant anyway.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2014 01:43 PM (DhGW2)

99 Fuck that. Oats are a gout trigger. And the Quakers are squarely in the anti-Israel/pro-Philistinian camp. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 05:40 PM (olDqf)]] Have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with the Quakers. They have always been a front for sympathizers of totalitarian governments and often fronts for espionage.

Posted by: Bean Pies, ey? at January 03, 2014 01:43 PM (Qev5V)

100 @63 White men should not use brown women against brown men, or something. Seriously, they say that. Never mind Islam is a faith, legal system, and military doctrine unrelated to race. The white converts are actually the most dangerous in many cases.

Posted by: Beagle at January 03, 2014 01:43 PM (sOtz/)

101 94 Okey, dokey. Well then, how about the well known Quaker Aspen trees. Doesn't an aspen a day help prevent stroke and heart attack? Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 03, 2014 05:42 PM (g4TxM) The Larch. The. Larch.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 01:43 PM (olDqf)

102 OK but I assume you think there are certain things you "can" say that are unacceptable. All the Robertson thing was was whether that qualified as one. Framing it as a generic free speech issue is a fake neutral dodge.

Posted by: blue.dot at January 03, 2014 01:44 PM (I8FOK)

103 15 It's not just the dirty Amish, Muslims have an opt out on Obamacare too. Christian's beliefs matter less to liberals than Muslims.
That's because Christian's won't hack off heads. Yet. Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 05:20 PM (qc7at)

We do that already, and you don't see US getting exemptions.

Posted by: Jewish Mohel at January 03, 2014 01:44 PM (BF+2f)

104 That was the recent court ruling. The judge ruled that the administration could not deny the Catholic Church on the contraceptive mandate (I think it was that. It may have been the abortion mandate.) because they had passed out so many other exemptions.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at January 03, 2014 01:44 PM (uzmcT)

105 Obama hates Papists. He's a Papist Rapist.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 03, 2014 01:44 PM (ZPrif)

106 The Catholic brothers an sisters will hopefully be praying and doing novenas-if they haven't already done so-for the intercession to God of Saint Jude, Saint Faustina and any other Saints that might be interested in unborn children, for the protection for church they love. And believe me, there are other Christians who love the RCC too even if we are not part of it. I'm one of them Because the RCC is the canary in the coal mine. If they are successfully intimidated ALL others churches that don't bow to Caeasar will follow. That's why I say whatever doctrine might separate us, we have ONE faith, ONE Lord, ONE baptism and as I have noted before to paraphrase Benjamin Frankiln . If we don't hang together we will most assuredly hang separately. And FTR. I understand about calling on the intercession of Saints- that it's not praying to THEM ( Some Protestants tend to misunderstand this) but asking Holy people to go to God. And yes, we can all go directly to Christ too. I ask for the intercession of Saints too because I respect these very holy people.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 03, 2014 01:44 PM (BC6cY)

107 And with this post I am off, because it is making me violate my new year's resolution of not imagining lefties impaled on stakes while be set on fire... Cut. Jib. Newsletter. And the way they treat Catholics, why, they must figure they'd never get engaged in, shall we say, stiff resistance. Might want to ask the Brits about that, honestly...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 03, 2014 01:44 PM (naUcP)

108 I prefer Uyghur Oats.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at January 03, 2014 01:44 PM (t25XY)

109 91 Margarita DeVille at January 03, 2014 05:41 PM (dfYL9)

I'd posit they are evangelical in their zeal for the state and no other gods frankly.

The window on the genuine atheist movement in this nation was rather narrow and when it was numerous it had its foot in both political camps.

At some point believing there was no divine presence in creation morphed into undermining one Monotheism in particular and empowering the socialist superstate to do it with the activist atheist main body.

Get a moonbat Christian hater to renounce blind faith in government effectiveness.

I renounced God easier.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 01:44 PM (TE35l)

110 Even with EVERYTHING that has happened, I still have people- mostly seniors who get their info from the MSM- say that Obama is a good and decent person.

I ask them how do they know? They don't know him personally.

However, the assurances from the MSM seem to be enough for them.

Posted by: shibumi at January 03, 2014 01:44 PM (25HWz)

111 99 Have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with the Quakers. They have always been a front for sympathizers of totalitarian governments and often fronts for espionage. Posted by: Bean Pies, ey? at January 03, 2014 05:43 PM (Qev5V) Read an article about them a week or so ago and neglected to bookmark it. I think maybe in Reason or PJ Media? It was about the BDS campaign. Oh well.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 01:45 PM (olDqf)

112 97 Oh, wait, my bad. That is Quaking Aspen. Nevermind. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 03, 2014 05:42 PM (g4TxM) I thought it was Shaker Aspen....and they're nearly extinct because they don't reproduce.

Posted by: BignJames at January 03, 2014 01:45 PM (j7iSn)

113 This obama feller is exactly who we all know he is. He knows he has the power and he will use it like a tyrant. From A to Z and soup to nuts, if you are on the other side of any issue, you will be attacked by the govt. He has like minded people in the IRS and Justice, plus all the other letter depts and they mean to do harm while they have the power. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 03, 2014 05:41 PM (MaP11) The most important duty of the Next Presidential administration will be to put into prison as many members of the current administration as possible. Also his supporters. They want Winner take all? We should give them a good taste of it when the worm turns.

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 01:45 PM (bb5+k)

114 Contemporary Leftism is primarily a cultural movement, because Leftists believe, probably correctly, that the culture, and not Government is, in fact, the commanding height of society and eventually ends up determining the fundamental means and form of societal organization and development.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2014 01:45 PM (DhGW2)

115 102 blue.dot at January 03, 2014 05:44 PM (I8FOK)

Blue Duck I'll get worried about Duck Dynasty's words right around the time you contain the Hollywood Left's....

'til then frag toi

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 01:46 PM (TE35l)

116 90 I also suspect Obama hates "Americans."Hell, I don't suspect it. I KNOW it.
Posted by: shibumi at January 03, 2014 05:35 PM (25HWz)

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He hates Americans AND everything traditional or good about America. Again, the sad part. We're letting him do it because we don't want to upset the people who think civil disobedience is icky.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 05:41 PM (FUGEC)

Know what?

As a student of history. As a servant of God, my creator. I still sleep soundly at night.

I stare up at the stars, as a physicist, at night and I think: "this man (Obama) is trivial. A speck. Nothing."

The love of the Creator? Well, that's all that matters. Even asking the question of how this turns out is an insult to our God. Obama isn't even worth the time. And time is not something I have a lot left of, so I'll devote the rest of it to being about God's work, however imperfectly I can manage it.

Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 01:47 PM (x3YFz)

117 101 94 Okey, dokey. Well then, how about the well known Quaker Aspen trees. Doesn't an aspen a day help prevent stroke and heart attack? Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 03, 2014 05:42 PM (g4TxM) The Larch. The. Larch. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 05:43 PM (olDqf) Or for us Midwestern folk, the Tamarack. As in did you see that rack on Tam?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 03, 2014 01:47 PM (HVff2)

118 I'm thinking that what's driving this is that old Stanley Dunham had black and whites of some wildass photo sessions that Barky was never meant to see. Shriveled his little man-grapes.

Posted by: Fritz at January 03, 2014 05:38 PM (UzPAd)

They are there for the world to see. Yes sir, we elected a guy whose Mom posed for raunchy pictures and it was never mentioned in the news. We had endless coverage of Romney and his choice to put a dog on a roof, but, nary a whisper about Stanley Ann and her wild child photos.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, shhh, be a little quieter, some of us are trying to sleep. at January 03, 2014 01:47 PM (kXoT0)

119 Accomodating the extremist positions is so entrenched that even those opposing Robertson's suspension and the crushing of dissent that it represented reflexively distanced themselves from him. I say reflexively because while I may be wrong, I don't see a basis for charges like "mean-spirited" made against Robertson (especially when one reads the more of the article.) In doing so, commentators on the right themselves buy into the pretense that between The good and correct occupy the left, and the evil and wrong occupy the right. That if you are not for GLAAD you are with Fred Phelps. Cowering before this power, appearing chastened by it, sends the signal that the left is actually right about what they say.

Posted by: Glen at January 03, 2014 01:47 PM (KQZd+)

120 106 --- Amen, FS.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 03, 2014 01:47 PM (dfYL9)

121 That's because Christian's won't hack off heads.

Yet.

We may not hack off heads but our Lord was crucified... if it was good enough for Jesus, its good enough for them.

Posted by: Deathknyte at January 03, 2014 01:49 PM (vGgC1)

122 114 Contemporary Leftism is primarily a cultural movement, because Leftists believe, probably correctly, that the culture, and not Government is, in fact, the commanding height of society and eventually ends up determining the fundamental means and form of societal organization and development. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2014 05:45 PM (DhGW2) THIS. Preserve the family. Take back the schools. The culture will follow from that. Now all we need is a planÂ…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 01:49 PM (olDqf)

123 I, for one, am glad that Stanley's Fur Burger was redacted from the news. There are some things you can't unsee.

Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2014 01:49 PM (t25XY)

124 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 03, 2014 05:44 PM (BC6cY) We conservative Lutherans are praying as well, right before pot luck lunch.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 03, 2014 01:50 PM (HVff2)

125 Now all we need is a planÂ…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 05:49 PM (olDqf)

I have a flamethrower, 2 CS grenades, 1 knife and a scary look. Count me in.

Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 01:50 PM (x3YFz)

126 Marx, Lenin, and, to a lesser extent, Trotsky all felt the same way. As did the Frankfurt School. Stalin and his successors, on the other hand, favored the fundamental and simplistic primacy of the State. As such, contemporary Leftism is Antistalinist but certainly not Antimarxist.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2014 01:50 PM (DhGW2)

127 Amish get exemptions? Have they been beheading people and I haven't heard about it?

Posted by: Mindy aka Cupcake at January 03, 2014 01:50 PM (Bs5ky)

128 122 J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 05:49 PM (olDqf)

well JJ step one is concentrate and protect the community....

step two is probably form interlocking professional support networks....

and on and on

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 01:50 PM (TE35l)

129 124 We conservative Lutherans are praying as well, right before pot luck lunch. Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 03, 2014 05:50 PM (HVff2) In Colorado, pot luck lunch has a whole new meaning, eh?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 01:51 PM (olDqf)

130
I agree D-Lamp, but I don't think Hillary will do it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 03, 2014 01:51 PM (MaP11)

131 Now all we need is a planÂ… Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 05:49 PM (olDqf) Does it involve dynamite? 'Cause I don't know shit about dynamite.

Posted by: BignJames at January 03, 2014 01:51 PM (j7iSn)

132 125 I have a flamethrower, 2 CS grenades, 1 knife and a scary look. Count me in. Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 05:50 PM (x3YFz) The scary look! That's it. We're saved!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 01:51 PM (olDqf)

133 Love me some quakies- They have been the mileposts in my life. Our mountain place has a nice aspen grove that frames our view from the front porch. That shimmer of the leaves sets my soul to rest. (Link in nick- aspen leaves in honor of my F-I-L)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 03, 2014 01:51 PM (g4TxM)

134 109 -- Sven --- Yes, their god is Caesar.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 03, 2014 01:52 PM (dfYL9)

135 131 Does it involve dynamite? 'Cause I don't know shit about dynamite. Posted by: BignJames at January 03, 2014 05:51 PM (j7iSn) Remember Franz Liebkin's advice and never use "zee kvick fuse."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 01:52 PM (olDqf)

136 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 05:51 PM (olDqf) Shit, I forgot about the brownies/baked goods.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 03, 2014 01:52 PM (HVff2)

137 100 @63

White men should not use brown women against brown men, or something. Seriously, they say that.

Never mind Islam is a faith, legal system, and military doctrine unrelated to race. The white converts are actually the most dangerous in many cases.

Posted by: Beagle at January 03, 2014 05:43 PM (sOtz/)

Yeah and that is just plain nutz. I am a white woman and when a woman is raped and then stoned to death by her family in an honor killing, I don't care what color she is or is not and I care less than nothing as to what color her killers are. I care that they are her Father, Brothers, Uncles, and Grandfathers and that their honor demands she die for some man raping her--unless they work out a deal were she goes to live with her rapist as a wife/concubine/slave. Do not seek to use their color to hide the blood on their hands and souls.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, shhh, be a little quieter, some of us are trying to sleep. at January 03, 2014 01:52 PM (kXoT0)

138 They want Winner take all? We should give them a good taste of it when the worm turns.

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 05:45 PM (bb5+k)

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Strange. If the worm would actually turn, the punishment for leftists would be freedom.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 01:52 PM (56reS)

139 121 That's because Christian's won't hack off heads.

Yet.

We may not hack off heads but our Lord was crucified... if it was good enough for Jesus, its good enough for them.

Posted by: Deathknyte at January 03, 2014 05:49 PM (vGgC1)

Tyranny ends where you hang it. Just need a gallows, some 2x4's... off to Lowe's.

Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 01:53 PM (x3YFz)

140 They are there for the world to see. Yes sir, we elected a guy whose Mom posed for raunchy pictures and it was never mentioned in the news. We had endless coverage of Romney and his choice to put a dog on a roof, but, nary a whisper about Stanley Ann and her wild child photos. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, shhh, be a little quieter, some of us are trying to sleep. at January 03, 2014 05:47 PM (kXoT0) I will take this opportunity to mention that those pictures have been debunked as being Stanley Ann Dunham. They are not. The reason that they are not is because copies of them have been found to have been published in a magazine in 1958. Long before the Dunham family moved to Hawaii, and when Stanley Ann would have been 15 or 16. I can get you the links for this information if you really want them.

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 01:53 PM (bb5+k)

141 How about we start small? Let's stand up for ourselves and our traditions. Novel, eh? This whole live and let live shit doesn't work. Fuck them. Its Our Way or the highway. See if they like it.

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 03, 2014 01:53 PM (ka6ta)

142 127 Amish get exemptions? Have they been beheading people and I haven't heard about it? Posted by: Mindy aka Cupcake at January 03, 2014 05:50 PM (Bs5ky) Bill DeBolshevik Â™ is planning on an anschluss of Lancaster, PA in order to ban horse-drawn carriagesÂ…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 01:53 PM (olDqf)

143 The great thing about being a fundie Bible thumper is that all my life I've been instructed about the coming persecutions. Some things are meant to separate the wheat from the chaff. I expect this is one of them.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 03, 2014 01:54 PM (P6QsQ)

144 134 Margarita DeVille at January 03, 2014 05:52 PM (dfYL9)

Caesar goes by many names in their faith....

gun control, healthcare, racial justice, gender equality but Caesar ALWAYS demands blood sacrifices or rights destroyed on the altar....

*always*

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 01:54 PM (TE35l)

145 In Colorado, pot luck lunch has a whole new meaning, eh? LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 03, 2014 01:54 PM (BC6cY)

146 In fact, contemporary Leftism is fundamentally Hyperleninist, emphasizing kyrocracy and the cultural dimension and Antichristianism and Anticlericism and deemphasizing the "derived" economic dimension.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2014 01:55 PM (DhGW2)

147 As Dean Friedman sang "Â…we got the munchies and I made some spaghettiÂ…"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 03, 2014 01:56 PM (olDqf)

148 The love of the Creator? Well, that's all that matters. Even asking the question of how this turns out is an insult to our God. Obama isn't even worth the time. And time is not something I have a lot left of, so I'll devote the rest of it to being about God's work, however imperfectly I can manage it.

Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 05:47 PM (x3YFz)

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I'm old too, tangonine. I turned 65 yesterday. But I can still walk and chew gum at the same time.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 01:56 PM (56reS)

149 Posted by: grammie winger at January 03, 2014 05:54 PM (P6QsQ) Me too but actually a lot of Catholic writers talk about suffering, Fenelon mentions it a lot.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 03, 2014 01:56 PM (BC6cY)

150 121 That's because Christian's won't hack off heads. Yet. We may not hack off heads but our Lord was crucified... if it was good enough for Jesus, its good enough for them. Posted by: Deathknyte at January 03, 2014 05:49 PM (vGgC1) American Digest has a wonderful Graphic up with the words: "If anyone ever asks you, "What would Jesus Do?"" "Remind them that flipping over tables and chasing people with a whip is within the realm of possibility." http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/driveby/what_would_jesus.php

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 01:56 PM (bb5+k)

151 Happy Birthday one day late, Soona!

Posted by: grammie winger at January 03, 2014 01:57 PM (P6QsQ)

152 Actually, I think that the government's motivation is more calculated than an ideological fixation. This battle is not about making contraception freely available or socially acceptable. That fight was won long ago, and there is no more political mileage to be had by picking on the Little Sisters of the Poor. Rather, this entire situation appears to be an intentionally contrived show trial.to coerce the Church into publicly violating its own claims of conscience, and to consequently deligitimize it as a moral actor. If and when that is done, there will be no more meddlesome bishops to contend with on abortion, euthanasia, stem cells, etc. The precedent will have been set that on matters of faith and morals, the Catholic Church can and will defer to its government masters. Contraception just happened to be the most convenient vehicle for framing this assault on religious liberty, but it could have just as easily been waged over sex-discriminatory ordinations or a tax on communion wafers.

Posted by: old lion at January 03, 2014 01:57 PM (O11vW)

153 "If anyone ever asks you, "What would Jesus Do?""

"Remind them that flipping over tables and chasing people with a whip is within the realm of possibility."

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I love that.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 03, 2014 01:57 PM (P6QsQ)

154 Ultimately, the modern Progressive left are but a warmed up re-hash of Jacobinism. Same drive to destroy society. Same drive to replace it with their "truths."

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 03, 2014 01:58 PM (XvHmy)

155 I'm empathizing with how non Nazi Germans felt in Nazi Germany. The crowd is carrying me down a road which I do not wish to go down. Posted by: D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 05:42 PM (bb5+k)

When I read about the mental illness mandates today Obama put out, a chill went through me. I am on the books for having mental illness, as are many in my family. We are harmless, but to a hammer everything is a nail. We have gone down slippery roads in the past with the mentally disabled, because ppl knew better; it did not end well. I don't trust the current administration not to follow some of the forms of discrimination the mentally ill faced in the 30s and 40s, or the "solutions" the physicians given great power came up with.

Posted by: Jewish Mohel at January 03, 2014 01:58 PM (BF+2f)

156 screaming... bullwhips cracking..

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 03, 2014 01:58 PM (ka6ta)

157 I stare up at the stars, as a physicist, at night and I think: "this man (Obama) is trivial. A speck. Nothing." The love of the Creator? Well, that's all that matters. Even asking the question of how this turns out is an insult to our God. Obama isn't even worth the time. And time is not something I have a lot left of, so I'll devote the rest of it to being about God's work, however imperfectly I can manage it. Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 05:47 PM (x3YFz) As a Physicist, have you ever considered the viability of the "Woodward effect"? (Otherwise known as the Mach-Lorentz thruster.)

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 01:59 PM (bb5+k)

158 I will take this opportunity to mention that those pictures have been debunked as being Stanley Ann Dunham. They are not.

The reason that they are not is because copies of them have been found to have been published in a magazine in 1958. Long before the Dunham family moved to Hawaii, and when Stanley Ann would have been 15 or 16.

I can get you the links for this information if you really want them.

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 05:53 PM (bb5+k)

I stand corrected. However, she was only a few years older than I am and I can tell you that her life style as reported by her friends contemporaries was extremely outre, so my point remains with regards to the media saying little or nothing about her during his campaigns. It is true that a person can't help who their parents may or may not be, but, it is as relevant to report it as it would be a dog on the roof of a crowded station wagon.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, shhh, be a little quieter, some of us are trying to sleep. at January 03, 2014 02:00 PM (kXoT0)

159 Happy Birthday one day late, Soona!

Posted by: grammie winger at January 03, 2014 05:57 PM (P6QsQ)

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Thanks, grammie.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 02:00 PM (56reS)

160 Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 05:54 PM (TE35l) I think these totalitarians hate Christians because since we already have a real Savior, we are resistant to accepting the state as our savior.

Posted by: Mindy aka Cupcake at January 03, 2014 02:00 PM (Bs5ky)

161 Sefton, We'll put you in charge of the comedy routines in the camps when they also cart off the politically conservative Jews who don't think Obama is the Messiah. It will be the AOSHQ version of "A Beautiful Life" or whatever it's called about the guy and his son in the concentration camp. Actually, laughs are appreciated. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 03, 2014 02:01 PM (BC6cY)

162 64 Which is to say, Leftists have a less-than-rational attachment to Atheism, verging on the transcendental or romantic. I respect very much people who cannot believe because they cannot believe. It's a rational position and nobody can be put in the position of believing something they don't. But Leftists have this "false consciousness" (a Marxist phrase, I love it) that if the whole world were atheist, it would be a beautiful paradise full of rainbows, lollipops and no "superstition". In fact, we've seen that the wide absence of religion leads to all sorts of bizarre new-age weirdness, violence and sclerotic, rigid political ideologies. You get all the worst aspects of religion -- puritanism, dogma, corruption, moral superiority -- without any of the uplifting aspects. This is because Marxists believe such things are grown by religion rather than are an integral part of human nature.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2014 02:01 PM (T0NGe)

163 Happy Birthday, Soona, a day late, so you got a Sugar Bowl for your birthday, how special.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, shhh, be a little quieter, some of us are trying to sleep. at January 03, 2014 02:02 PM (kXoT0)

164 There's only one reason for this showdown. It's a show of force. Bend the knee to Caesar, or else.

I'm opting for "or else".

In the words of Martin Luther, Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me.

Amen.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 03, 2014 02:03 PM (P6QsQ)

165 I love that. Posted by: grammie winger at January 03, 2014 05:57 PM (P6QsQ) Yeah, me too!

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 02:03 PM (bb5+k)

166

I am not doing well with the socks today, ugh.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 03, 2014 05:51 PM (g4TxM)

I love Aspens too. The sound their leaves make, and the visual shimmering, is incredibly beautiful, especially when you are in a whole grove of them.

Posted by: LizLem at January 03, 2014 02:03 PM (BF+2f)

167 160 Mindy aka Cupcake at January 03, 2014 06:00 PM (Bs5ky)

Indeed. We are aware of the limitations of state power by word of God and are told to place our moral understanding in the hands of our faith. The state simply cannot abide one or two.

I cannot believe Barack Obama is "the lightworker" or rather I cannot believe he is "the one" because Jesus is the one.

"Lightworker" is more bothersome....

A certain former angel who took on a new job after the rise of man was some kind of "Light" something IIRC.....

uttered something like "better to rule in Chicago than serve in heaven" IIRC...

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 02:04 PM (TE35l)

168 Happy Birthday, Soona, a day late, so you got a Sugar Bowl for your birthday, how special.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, shhh, be a little quieter, some of us are trying to sleep. at January 03, 2014 06:02 PM (kXoT0)

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Yeah. What a hoot.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 02:04 PM (56reS)

169 D-Lamp, I am interested in your links about those pictures not being Stanley Ann. Would it be much trouble for you to share?

Posted by: Mindy aka Cupcake at January 03, 2014 02:05 PM (Bs5ky)

170 162 --- THIS.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 03, 2014 02:05 PM (dfYL9)

171 When I read about the mental illness mandates today Obama put out, a chill went through me. I am on the books for having mental illness, as are many in my family. We are harmless, but to a hammer everything is a nail. We have gone down slippery roads in the past with the mentally disabled, because ppl knew better; it did not end well. I don't trust the current administration not to follow some of the forms of discrimination the mentally ill faced in the 30s and 40s, or the "solutions" the physicians given great power came up with. Posted by: Jewish Mohel at January 03, 2014 05:58 PM (BF+2f) In Soviet Russia, anyone who disagreed with the state was regarded as "mentally ill." I think the Nazis also used that excuse as well. As for sanity, i'm not sure when I last saw my own, or anyone elses' for that matter.

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 02:05 PM (bb5+k)

172 I stand corrected. However, she was only a few years older than I am and I can tell you that her life style as reported by her friends contemporaries was extremely outre, so my point remains with regards to the media saying little or nothing about her during his campaigns. It is true that a person can't help who their parents may or may not be, but, it is as relevant to report it as it would be a dog on the roof of a crowded station wagon. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, shhh, be a little quieter, some of us are trying to sleep. at January 03, 2014 06:00 PM (kXoT0) Stanley Ann was indeed VERY OUT THERE for 1960. What she did would have gotten her arrested in many states at that time.

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 02:08 PM (bb5+k)

173 Electable. It's for winners.

Posted by: eman at January 03, 2014 02:08 PM (EWsrI)

174 Leftism views religion as Reactionary, and therefore seeks to abolish it. Furthermore, the abolition of religion weakens traditions, traditionalism and the "familial" and ecclesiastical organization of society and its constituent communities, and, therefore a large part/the main part of the natural opposition to Leftism. Once these have been done away with, and even before that process is complete, Leftism can, somewhat ironically, do to corporations what it has done to the lowest classes, infantillizing them and binding them to the centralized State through a series of perverse incentives. Corporations, being inherently amoral and compulsively-opportunistic have no real desire to oppose this process. And, in fact, like the lowest classes, they believe that they are its beneficiaries. Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2014 02:08 PM (DhGW2)

175 "Cowering before this power, appearing chastened by it, sends the signal that the left is actually right about what they say." Very well said, Glen. Completely agree.

Posted by: Lauren at January 03, 2014 02:08 PM (hFL/3)

176 You get all the worst aspects of religion -- puritanism, dogma, corruption, moral superiority -- without any of the uplifting aspects. This is because Marxists believe such things are grown by religion rather than are an integral part of human nature. Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2014 06:01 PM (T0NGe) Save for the Muslim invasion of India, the most bloodiest regimes in History were atheist. I think between Stalin and Mao, there is something like an 80 million body pile.

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 02:09 PM (bb5+k)

177 Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 06:04 PM (TE35l) Sven, this reminds me of the reason Daniel was sentenced to the lions' den. He disobeyed the order to be a supplicant to only the government for every need. Our government keeps trying to cut off all other sources for our needs.

Posted by: Mindy aka Cupcake at January 03, 2014 02:10 PM (Bs5ky)

178 162 AmishDude at January 03, 2014 06:01 PM (T0NGe)

It's their conceit that absent faith in the divine "everyone will think like I do or we'll just vote and then people won't care who wins and loses."

Ace and I have had conversations here in the threads about the concept of "magic thinking" and the majority of mankind's need to believe in "something."

I am far less wary of people who decide "something" is the Christian God, Buddah, a relatively peaceful Allah etc etc than I am of people who decide "something" is the weaponized superstate or God forbid a politician.

If I avoid the former examples I am out good fellowship and business opportunities and if I can't avoid the latter two I am denied freedom or life.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 02:10 PM (TE35l)

179 169 D-Lamp, I am interested in your links about those pictures not being Stanley Ann. Would it be much trouble for you to share? Posted by: Mindy aka Cupcake at January 03, 2014 06:05 PM (Bs5ky) I'll have to hunt them up. Give me about 5-10 minutes.

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 02:10 PM (bb5+k)

180
Kaboom gives you Gas! was one of the proposed tag lines.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 03, 2014 02:11 PM (MaP11)

181 Grant Exemptions for Obamacare Left and Right, And Yet Refuses To Do So for Faith Objectors?

Uhhh, because he is an authoritarian thug Mao wannabe who would absolutely get on on marching millions to the edge of a trench and machine gunning them all if he thought there was the slightest chance his sycophants would comply with a suggestion that it be done.

DISCLAIMER - by 'get off' I mean in the sense that a serial child-rapist murderer gets off in disposing of victims, nothing sexual, at least no more sexual than tossing a used tissue in a trashcan. Please don't harsh on me....

What?! It wasn't a standalone question? I didn't see those words following the question, at first anyway...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 03, 2014 02:11 PM (80R0X)

182
Ha! wrong thread. (or was it?)

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 03, 2014 02:11 PM (MaP11)

183 Thanks, D-Lamp!

Posted by: Mindy aka Cupcake at January 03, 2014 02:12 PM (Bs5ky)

184 Chick-Fil-A: streeeeeeeetch.....SNAP BACK! OUCH! Phil Robertson: streeeeeeeeetch... SNAP BACK! OOOOOOOUUUUCH! Obamacare: streeeeeeeeetch.... ..... I can't wait for the snap back on this one. It's gonna leave a mark.

Posted by: Parteagirl at January 03, 2014 02:13 PM (Plx/u)

185

Not really OT, I'm reading Bill Bryson's book "At Home: A Short History of Private Life" and Bryson wonders at one point why the Britons of Roman England couldn't seem to muster enough spirit to fight off the invaders who took over their country after the collapse of the Roman Empire. The invaders - Angles, Saxons, Jutes ( we don't even know that much about them) didn't come storming into Britain slaughtering people. They were vastly outnumbered by the natives. Their culture was inferior. And yet they obliterated Roman culture as if it had never existed.

Bryson quotes a Brit historian: "It didn't have to involve a lot of slaughter or bloodshed. Probably one day you just looked out on your field and saw there were 20 people camped there and gradually it dawned on you they weren't about to go away and were taking your land from you. There were no doubt some blood clashes here and there, but on the whole I think it was just a matter of the existing peoples learning to adjust to dramatically changed circumstances."

In other words, it was the "new normal."

Posted by: Donna V. at January 03, 2014 02:14 PM (R3gO3)

186 Leftism is quite simply, a return to monarchy.
It's good to be the King.

Posted by: navybrat at January 03, 2014 02:15 PM (AW7Gr)

187 >>Stanley Ann was indeed VERY OUT THERE for 1960. What she did would have gotten her arrested in many states at that time.

Stanley's parents were communists and raised her to be that way. Heck, they moved cross country to Seattle so that Stanley Ann could attend a communist-run public school (see Bill Whittle's videos on this).

Posted by: Lizzy at January 03, 2014 02:16 PM (POpqt)

188 179 169 D-Lamp, I am interested in your links about those pictures not being Stanley Ann. Would it be much trouble for you to share? Posted by: Mindy aka Cupcake at January 03, 2014 06:05 PM (Bs5ky) Found it. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2939511/posts

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 02:17 PM (bb5+k)

189 I be 58 yr old Amish with an income of 12,000 per year from selling firewood, and sweet corn for cash. So go Obama yourself!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at January 03, 2014 02:18 PM (uUXp6)

190 They always try to take power in the name of something. God, the People, whatever. It's how it is done. The Constitution was supposed to protect us from that. It failed. Here we are.

Posted by: eman at January 03, 2014 02:19 PM (EWsrI)

191 They are there for the world to see. Yes sir, we elected a guy whose Mom posed for raunchy pictures and it was never mentioned in the news. We had endless coverage of Romney and his choice to put a dog on a roof, but, nary a whisper about Stanley Ann and her wild child photos. Stanley Ann Dunham racy photos debunked: http://preview.tinyurl.com/my2y24k

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 03, 2014 02:19 PM (J79eW)

192 186 Leftism is quite simply, a return to monarchy. It's good to be the King. Posted by: navybrat at January 03, 2014 06:15 PM (AW7Gr) Yes. I KEEP saying this.

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 03, 2014 02:20 PM (bb5+k)

193 There are a lot more people who realize that obama is what he is portrayed to be, than you think. It may just take one small crack in the msm dam to create the deluge.

Posted by: seamrog at January 03, 2014 02:20 PM (glZke)

194 Ooooh, ooooh, ooooh! I know this one, Mistah Kottah!

Is it because Obama is a lying partisan hack with fewer morals than any other human known to man? Oh, and because he hates Christians?

I cannot WAIT until Obama is thrown under the same bus of ideology that all useless shills and hack end up under.

Posted by: acethepug at January 03, 2014 02:23 PM (5LH0h)

195 193 There are a lot more people who realize that obama is what he is portrayed to be, than you think. It may just take one small crack in the msm dam to create the deluge. Posted by: seamrog at January 03, 2014 06:20 PM (glZke) A leaked recording of a dastardly secret might do it. It is amazing how tightly sealed things are.

Posted by: eman at January 03, 2014 02:23 PM (EWsrI)

196 Happy Birthday, Soona!!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 03, 2014 02:24 PM (BC6cY)

197

"This reminds me of the suspension of Phil Robertson. It's not about the positions themselves....The problem comes in that you are not even permitted to disagree. You cannot object; you cannot opt-out. The various Leftist Cultural Asks are, apparently, so powerfully certain and true that the government will actually legally punish you for suggesting otherwise...."

Bill Whittle has a great commentary on exactly this point yesterday making the point through the concept of social proof -- The overwwhelming social pressure to do what others are doing that causes one to subordinate one's own beliefs in order to avoid standing out.

The left has very deliberately exploited this phenomenon to remove entire subjects from public discussion. Think marriage is between one unrelated man and one unrelated woman? Well, you're a bigot. How do we know? Because there no one is saying otherwise. QED.

Posted by: Randy at January 03, 2014 02:27 PM (YBusZ)

198 It's quite ironic that scoamf is talking about mental health issues, considering the lifestyles of his genetic donators. Both could be considered wacko.

Posted by: seamrog at January 03, 2014 02:30 PM (glZke)

199 A leaked recording of a dastardly secret might do it.

It is amazing how tightly sealed things are.

Dastardly secret like he's actually not a half black, gay, pedophile, who has Marxist tendencies, but rather a White male heterosexual Tea Bagger that is out to destroy the Dirty Lyin Rat Party with wild Lies and policies? Now that would really piss off the Liberal Presstitutes!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at January 03, 2014 02:31 PM (uUXp6)

200 Thank you, D-Lamp and Bonhomme! I will check it out.

Posted by: Mindy aka Cupcake at January 03, 2014 02:36 PM (Bs5ky)

201 The wusses that are creating all this upheaval on so many fronts, believe that turmoil will further consolidate their power. They have no idea how many oppose them, and that "opposition" is beyond fed up. It's only a matter of time.

Posted by: seamrog at January 03, 2014 02:40 PM (glZke)

202 All ya had to say was that Liberals have no moral compass.

Posted by: Pelosi Schmelosi at January 03, 2014 02:41 PM (2mR8s)

203

Actually, in private, my siblings (2 libs 2 conservatives) agree that marriage = 1 man, 1 woman. But then the libs in my family are culturally more conservative than your garden variety PC leftist. (Economically, they remain libs because they can't for the life of them put 2 and 2 together.)

I have no way of knowing how typical that is.

Posted by: Donna V. at January 03, 2014 02:51 PM (R3gO3)

204 I agree that leftism is just monarchy in another guise.

Basically, there are two competing impulses battling all the time in human events: statism versus individual rights. Comes in various names, but that's about it. In modern times, I think it's French Revolution versus American. We are veering into French territory, which is not good.

Posted by: PJ at January 03, 2014 03:31 PM (ZWaLo)

205 I have an idea for Ace and all Moron's and 'ette's for 2014: relentlessly mock that evil woman at the State Dept, who makes Psaki and the woman with the weird eyebrow (Nuland) look like angels from Hospice.

Why is this evil witch, Marie Harf, allowed to mock reporters? She seems to be especially rude to Matt Lee. Why have they not revolted and hurled spitballs at her carefully coordinated jewelry/wardrobe, perfection of hair, and her hipster black glasses? You know she is high-fived after every appearance. Encouraged by the WH to act beeotchy and hostile to reporters actually asking questions of this administration. After all, she is a feminist and has bigger cohones than Baroque. She be one mean pit viper, spewing her venom when the Great One is questioned.

Seriously, she needs to be mocked relentlessly, and y'all do this quite well (Keiff Olberman comes to mind). I cannot believe she gets away with this rudeness to reporters (well, I do believe as every day is bad juju with this gang of thugs). If they complain they are, apparently, being told to shut up or give up their press pass. Otherwise I cannot believe they are just rolling over and playing dead. I cannot even imagine this happening under Condi Rice or even Madeline Albright. I am sure she is a Hillary hire, and Kerry is probably afraid of her, and he likes mean women as well.

I am currently reading, "The Elephant Whisperer" by Lawrence Anthony, a good book. In it, "tagati's" are mentioned, which are proactive evil spirits in Africa. I believe the entire administration are tagati's. The WH will have to be exorcised if we ever have the great day to see them leave whatever is left of that historic home of our country.

I am sorry to go off subject, but, wow, this spokeswoman needs a good mocking to bring her tagati to a head and let her foam at the bully pulpit she creates. Every time I see Harf Harpy, which has been rarely lately, she is meaner. So I know this is applauded and encouraged and she is getting bolder. I fully expect her to grow fangs and start ripping out throats soon.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, expert on State Dept spokeswoma's chronic PMS at January 03, 2014 03:38 PM (baL2B)

206 So pale. Obama is pussy whipped in more ways than one. Not that he's all that interested in pussy--Reggie Love is or was more his style

Posted by: Comanche Voter at January 03, 2014 03:50 PM (VAche)

207 I went to Catholic school, grades 1-3. The nuns hit me on the knuckles almost every day until I cried.

I won't be satisfied until every one of those bitches is walking around town in a Plan B One-Step (TM) Levonorgestrel t-shirt.

So now who's in charge?

Posted by: Barack O'Failure, President of the United States of America at January 03, 2014 04:53 PM (x/lJo)

208 Problem is -- the U.S. Catholic bishops were nearly 100% in favor of Obamacare until the contraception and abortion stuff came up in the law's implementation. The Bishops have been solidly in favor of every leftist government usurpation of private charity for the past 50 years. They weren't at all interested in the anti-Obamacare arguments made by secular businesses whose freedoms are being equally trampled, but now that their ox is being gored they are all aghast.... Lie down with dogs and you get up with fleas.

Posted by: JPS at January 03, 2014 05:27 PM (RmyA9)

209 Catholics have always been trouble.... Largely because, though we are good citizens, we are spiritually and ethically loyal to a non-worldly power. The contemporary progressive wants everyone to abide by their transient, ungrounded norms.... Simply under the faith that the intellectuals will make everything better.

Posted by: bleck at January 03, 2014 07:25 PM (b6Qog)

210 @205 re: State Dept. Spokesperson Marie Harf 'We can neither confirm nor deny the existence of Modus Ponens.' http://tinyurl.com/lc226ds

Posted by: The U.S. State Department at January 04, 2014 05:19 PM (mTuTB)

211

I really don't care about $5 coffee. Starbuck's can find more communist morons to buy their @#$%.

Posted by: burt at January 05, 2014 08:17 AM (1+kJ5)

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