March 19, 2014

Will Transfer of Control Over the Internet to Non-US Hands -- Including Some Authoritarian and Freedom-Hating Governments -- Wind Up Destroying It?
— Ace

Charles C.W. Cooke doesn't quite put it like that, but he does see reason for worry.

There is no plan to put the internet under the control of anyone, not per se at least. But the plan is to allow those threatened by free expression to share control over the basic structure of the internet -- which would give them leverage, should they wish to exert it.

Which, of course, they always do.

The “DNS’s authoritative root zone file” is effectively a master directory of website addresses, kept in one place to avoid duplication and to guarantee that when everybody types “nationalreview.com” into their browser, they get the same page; “IP addresses,” to put it oversimply, are the Internet’s “phone numbers,” assigned to each computer (or router) so that they can be contacted by others; “protocol parameters” inform the basic architecture by which the Internet operates — variables such as which characters may be used, and in what form commonly used services such as e-mail and Web pages are to operate. You get the idea.

As you might imagine, it matters a great deal who is in charge of this compendium, for whoever controls it can use the thing essentially as a global on/off switch. As it stands, a tyrant is able to restrict access to certain parts of the Internet in his own country, but he is unable to make a page or a server or a service disappear completely....

Consider how different the story might have been had the system’s guts been controlled by someone else — even by a relatively free country such as Britain or Canada, where the government is benign but speech is curtailed by law. Is it not possible that the temptation to bring the Web into line with “reasonable” limits on expression would have been too much to resist? Can one not imagine a pressure for “common sense” reform building from inside and outside — and leading to censorship of language that gave offense to, say, gays, or Muslims, or police horses? If so, imagine what less amiable nations might seek to impose.

He writes on the topic again today, linking this op-ed by L. Gordon Crovitz published at the WSJ.

This means, effective next year, the U.S. will no longer oversee the "root zone file," which contains all names and addresses for websites world-wide. If authoritarian regimes in Russia, China and elsewhere get their way, domains could be banned and new ones not approved for meddlesome groups such as Ukrainian-independence organizations or Tibetan human-rights activists.

Until late last week, other countries knew that Washington would use its control over Icann to block any such censorship. The U.S. has protected engineers and other nongovernment stakeholders so that they can operate an open Internet. Authoritarian regimes from Moscow to Damascus have cut off their own citizens' Internet access, but the regimes have been unable to undermine general access to the Internet, where no one needs any government's permission to launch a website. The Obama administration has now endangered that hallmark of Internet freedom.

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The Obama administration was caught flat-footed at an ITU conference in 2012 stage-managed by authoritarian governments.

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In the past few years, Russia and China have used a U.N. agency called the International Telecommunication Union to challenge the open Internet. They have lobbied for the ITU to replace Washington as the Icann overseer. They want the ITU to outlaw anonymity on the Web (to make identifying dissidents easier) and to add a fee charged to providers when people gain access to the Web "internationally"—in effect, a tax on U.S.-based sites such as Google and Facebook. The unspoken aim is to discourage global Internet companies from giving everyone equal access.

And now the ITU stands as the likely successor to ICANN. This will be the "death of the internet," warns one critic.

Thanks to @rdbrewer4.

I have to admit, up until an hour ago, I thought this was a minor bookkeeping-level sort of thing.

Posted by: Ace at 01:13 PM | Comments (291)
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1 Why are doing this?

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 19, 2014 01:14 PM (l3vZN)

2 You'll be off the net in no time, Ace, if Obama and the new internet overlords have their way.

Posted by: Jack at March 19, 2014 01:14 PM (gWHwW)

3 The death of the internet and then the backdoor fairness doctrine from Rumproast Clyburn and company will be the death of liberty and dissent.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 01:15 PM (olDqf)

4 Well criticizing the JEF is raaaaacist speech ... so no internet prevents bad stuff. QED, duh!

Posted by: Only 1/2 Crazy Floridian Politician... at March 19, 2014 01:15 PM (qoKTg)

5 Well Ace, look at it this way. With no internet you can live a stress-free life. Unless you are sent to the re-education camp.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 01:16 PM (olDqf)

6 A caller on Rush today had a good point. It's a way for "others" to take down Drudge, or Ace of Spades for their friends... or as revenge. It will get ugly.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 01:16 PM (IXrOn)

7 Humans are remarkably adaptive little creatures - we'll find a way around this if it becomes necessary.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at March 19, 2014 01:16 PM (PZ6/M)

8 They want the ITU to outlaw anonymity on the Web (to make identifying dissidents easier) and to add a fee charged to providers when people gain access to the Web "internationally"—in effect, a tax on U.S.-based sites such as Google and Facebook. The unspoken aim is to discourage global Internet companies from giving everyone equal access. Nigerian hucksters hardest hit.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 01:16 PM (GjYxB)

9 A policy of mea culpa and giving up control will make the world like us.

Posted by: Samantha Power not verbatim but close enough for govt work at March 19, 2014 01:17 PM (Aif/5)

10 Can't stop the signal. We'll just make another Internet if they break this one.

Posted by: blaster at March 19, 2014 01:17 PM (4+AaH)

11 Sonehow I don't trust the bark eating Norks to keep a free web.

Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2014 01:18 PM (xWW96)

12 I can't imagine the transition over for the ICANN folks. It's got to be angry and gloomy.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 01:18 PM (IXrOn)

13 7 Humans are remarkably adaptive little creatures - we'll find a way around this if it becomes necessary. Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at March 19, 2014 05:16 PM (PZ6/M) 40 years later and now we've become the underground counterculture. Planet of the Apes, and we're all Hestons now. Madhouse, yo. (***hosed down by gorilla with cigar***)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 01:18 PM (olDqf)

14 Everything Obama does hurts the country and hurts freedom.Coincidence?

Posted by: steevy at March 19, 2014 01:18 PM (zqvg6)

15 Everyone seems to agree the ITU is awful, so who exactly is going to give them control over ICANN?

Posted by: booger at March 19, 2014 01:19 PM (xRDdL)

16 Obama wants to give it to the communist. He is one. Da huh

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 19, 2014 01:19 PM (0FSuD)

17 Congress is beginning to wake up on this and kicking back, I read somewhere today.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 01:19 PM (IXrOn)

18 There are dark places that don't begin with www I've heard.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 19, 2014 01:19 PM (l3vZN)

19 40 years later and now we've become the underground counterculture. Planet of the Apes, and we're all Hestons now. Madhouse, yo. I aim to misbehave. //Mal

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 01:19 PM (GjYxB)

20 da Zero is living proof that everything that can be fucked up will be fucked up.

Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2014 01:19 PM (xWW96)

21 13 Everything Obama does hurts the country and hurts freedom.Coincidence? Posted by: steevy at March 19, 2014 05:18 PM (zqvg6) But if you go hanging satin balls of Chairman Mao, You ain't gonna make it with anyone, anyhowÂ…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 01:19 PM (olDqf)

22 Ace might be forced to reveal his true identity!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 19, 2014 01:20 PM (oFCZn)

23 Well, as someone who has worked w/this before, I'm very comfortable in commenting that this is the Potomac Two Step* in action again - this Admin wanted this to happen, so it was "surprised" by the ITU, and of course, must agree to it... *one affected by law sues section responsible for law, gets new law enacted.

Posted by: anon a mouse at March 19, 2014 01:20 PM (gXRIG)

24 "The Obama administration has now endangered that hallmark of Internet freedom."

All is going according to plan Comrade Putin, today, we have the crown jewels of the internet thanks to that pussy in the White House. Salute!

Posted by: Gmac at March 19, 2014 01:20 PM (baiNQ)

25 This is mondo bad, the U.N.  is not a friend to freedom (or the U.S., regardless of what POTUS thinks) and seeks only to protect their own.  They are all in for political correctness and not defaming certain religions of peace.

Posted by: Penfold at March 19, 2014 01:20 PM (Fbt5B)

26 As one of those old annoying dudes that crawls out from under his rock on posts like this to announce "I was there when the internet was all about smoke signals!" I have to offer: Told ya so. When the www became the thing, and it wasn't. All us old BBS, Archie, Gopher, Veronica guys were sitting back saying "they're going to f this up, for sure." welp. I hate being right.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 01:21 PM (x3YFz)

27 This is something congress can stop and get credit for from both the right and left. Boner? Boner? Hello??

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 19, 2014 01:21 PM (0FSuD)

28 18 Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 05:19 PM (GjYxB) Near the end of the movie, Heston refuses to give the rifle back to Cornelius. So many parallels to today in that movie, it's frightening.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 01:21 PM (olDqf)

29 "The Obama administration was caught flat-footed at an ITU conference in 2012 stage-managed by authoritarian governments." Obama? Caught flat footed? Why that's absurd!

Posted by: Lauren at March 19, 2014 01:22 PM (hFL/3)

30 Oooooooh, no...I see absolutely NO problems on the horizon at all with this.

Posted by: tu3031 at March 19, 2014 01:22 PM (nsQhi)

31 I think we can now rightly say that all governments are freedom-hating.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 01:23 PM (KRTiE)

32 I'm sure it'll be like Twitter. Conservatives will constantly be blocked/banned for the identical (minus ideology) behavior as the constantly lauded and defended "moderators" or "review panels" or "approved adjudicators" or some such shit. I'm hoping someone, somewhere, is coming up with a hack that blows the whole idea up. Come on Anonymous, you big mouths, do something. And don't think that just because it'd be so obvious and so huge an affront that they won't do it. They do not care about your feelings or anyone else's, once they get that power, they'll have everything they need.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 01:23 PM (ZshNr)

33
obama doesn't believe the US should have any advantages in the world and he has spent his whole presidency trying to achieve that aim.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 19, 2014 01:23 PM (0Kobm)

34 It will result in censuring in those countries that don't like the average Joe to have a say in public,  That includes the USA now.


It will also result in an internet tax to fund all that "censuring" or so they will say.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 19, 2014 01:23 PM (T2V/1)

35 Only the US government is trustworthy enough to control the internet.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 19, 2014 01:23 PM (+lsX1)

36 Governments seek to control. That is their nature.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:24 PM (jhfwW)

37 websitename.deathtoamerica

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 01:24 PM (IXrOn)

38 It's worked out just great for the Panama Canal.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 19, 2014 01:24 PM (8ZskC)

39 People should seek not to be controlled. That should be their nature.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:24 PM (jhfwW)

40 the Shining City On A Hill no longer exists

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 01:24 PM (KRTiE)

41 My friends, you have nothing to fear etc., etc.

Posted by: Johnny McCain at March 19, 2014 01:24 PM (vgIRn)

42 Goat pron only!!!

Posted by: wth at March 19, 2014 01:24 PM (wAQA5)

43 37 It's worked out just great for the Panama Canal. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 19, 2014 05:24 PM (8ZskC) Yeah, now a Chinese company runs it.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 19, 2014 01:25 PM (0FSuD)

44 The era of provocative YouTube videos is about to come to an end.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 19, 2014 01:25 PM (8ZskC)

45 The fundamental threat is Political Correctness, which has very good "marketing" behind it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:25 PM (jhfwW)

46 Even Google came out against the ITU, Google, so again, who exactly is going to hand management of ICANN over to ITU when everyone agrees they're terrible?

Posted by: booger at March 19, 2014 01:25 PM (xRDdL)

47 Pirate shortwave radio......

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 01:25 PM (GjYxB)

48 We'll just route around it. But it will be more expensive, and it will be harder to do business or communicate internationally. Which is part of the goal, I think.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 19, 2014 01:25 PM (qyfb5)

49 Just another step on the path to The Burning Times.

Posted by: drill_thrawl at March 19, 2014 01:25 PM (rdiUQ)

50 It will also result in an internet tax to fund all that "censuring" or so they will say. Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2014 05:23 PM (T2V/1) The catch is, there's enough infrastructure in place to permit a "black" web. Well, there is one already, but human nature is going to get around bullshit. Always does.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 01:26 PM (x3YFz)

51 Embrace me, Children.

Posted by: Skynet at March 19, 2014 01:26 PM (Ua6T/)

52 Dammit, first the Canal Zone, and now thisÂ…

Posted by: Zombie Sen. Hayakawa at March 19, 2014 01:26 PM (CTCNK)

53 25 As one of those old annoying dudes that crawls out from under his rock on posts like this to announce "I was there when the internet was all about smoke signals!" I have to offer: Told ya so. When the www became the thing, and it wasn't. All us old BBS, Archie, Gopher, Veronica guys were sitting back saying "they're going to f this up, for sure." welp. I hate being right. Posted by: tangonine I can see a return to private BBS's using fiber...

Posted by: Gmac-Pondering the coming implosion, and hoping its 404care at March 19, 2014 01:26 PM (baiNQ)

54 My fundamental belief: The United States of America is the worse choice to control anything except for all the other Choices. And I'll stake my life on that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 19, 2014 01:26 PM (nzKvP)

55 If you're reading this, you are the resistance!

Posted by: John Connor at March 19, 2014 01:26 PM (Aif/5)

56

Not really a surprise.  In addition to all of the other reasons mentioned, the web is where news stories and opinion articles can take form outside the control of the usual media gatekeepers.  Why wouldn't politicians jump at the chance to hurt that?

 

Posted by: junior at March 19, 2014 01:26 PM (UWFpX)

57 If we just took a group of top people from, say, the IRS, NASA, EPA, ATF and NSA they could ensure the sanctity and freedom of the internet for all mankind.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 19, 2014 01:27 PM (+lsX1)

58 JT Marlin upgrades Cobra CB Radio Corp. to STONG BUY

Posted by: JT Marlin at March 19, 2014 01:27 PM (8ZskC)

59 websitename.SCOAMF

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 01:27 PM (IXrOn)

60 He wasn't caught flat footed.It was one of those cases where supposed outside pressure forces him to do something he wanted to do in the first place.

Posted by: steevy at March 19, 2014 01:27 PM (zqvg6)

61 Can't stop the signal. We'll just make another Internet if they break this one. *** Al Gore did it once, I'm sure he can do it again!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 19, 2014 01:27 PM (DmNpO)

62 Dot dash dot Dot dot dot Dot dash dot

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 01:27 PM (GjYxB)

63 Why does this level of incompetence always come back to the one least common denominator known as the Obama Administration?

It's friggin' magic.

Posted by: Fritz at March 19, 2014 01:28 PM (UzPAd)

64 Would this increase the probability of an attempt to impose some sort of Politically-Correct censorship regime? Russia and Communist China have issues, but Political Correctness isn't one of them, even in Communist China. The EU and other "do-gooder fags" are actually more of a threat.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:28 PM (jhfwW)

65 Back to working with Stone Knives and Bear Skins...

Posted by: Paladin at March 19, 2014 01:28 PM (LtaK3)

66 The govt took away our analog television. It all makes sense now.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 01:28 PM (KRTiE)

67 It's like he's trying to emulate me.

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at March 19, 2014 01:28 PM (Aif/5)

68 57 If we just took a group of top people from, say, the IRS, NASA, EPA, ATF and NSA they could ensure the sanctity and freedom of the internet for all mankind. Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 19, 2014 05:27 PM (+lsX1) OR, you'd have a collective IQ of 19.3.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 01:28 PM (x3YFz)

69 Dateline 2017:  In a  surprise move, the ITU unexpectedly yanked the IP addresses of all  US  websites that had content critical of the Obama administration . . .

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 19, 2014 01:29 PM (BAS5M)

70 What are they going to run this shiny new Internet on? Juche and unicorn farts?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 19, 2014 01:29 PM (oFCZn)

71

When I control the Internet it will be all movie reviews.

 

 

And butts.

Posted by: eleven at March 19, 2014 01:29 PM (fsLdt)

72 How am I going to distract myself for hours on end?  Nooooooo!!!!

Posted by: DangerGirl at March 19, 2014 01:30 PM (GrtrJ)

73 Why are doing this? Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 19, 2014 05:14 PM (l3vZN) They hate America.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 19, 2014 01:30 PM (CTCNK)

74 "And butts." Tina Belcher, is that you?

Posted by: Lauren at March 19, 2014 01:30 PM (hFL/3)

75 58 websitename.SCOAMF Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 05:27 PM (IXrOn) I would have gone with the .boobeh DNS, but that would work.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 01:30 PM (x3YFz)

76 speaking of obama's IRS... I now know why I have yet to receive my tax refund. obama's IRS has my return "under review."

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 01:30 PM (KRTiE)

77 Destroying the internet is a Leftist's wet dream.

Tyrants/totalitarians/Leftists hate that the internet keeps people connected and informed.

Obama gave up US control over it FOR A REASON.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at March 19, 2014 01:30 PM (KL49F)

78 I guess this is one way of limiting dissent and our American right to free speech. And does the left give a fuck? It's no surprise that everything they accused Bush and us they are the ones guilty of.

Posted by: Zombie Pug at March 19, 2014 01:30 PM (r7mtu)

79 But people have trouble coming to grips with this fundamental fact. The fundamental threat to Freedom, especially Freedom of Speech, and "especially-especially" Freedom of Thought is Political Correctness. Political Correctness is totalitarian, rather than authoritarian, and it's very hard to counter.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:31 PM (jhfwW)

80 The ITU Internet: 98% less boobs. 150% more cocks.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 19, 2014 01:31 PM (oFCZn)

81
Shockingly, oppressive govts don't like to be challenged on the internet.  And they mean to stop it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 19, 2014 01:31 PM (0Kobm)

82 So when I google "Alice Goodwin Hot" all I'm gonna get are pictures of some chick in a burka walking across the desert?

Posted by: wth at March 19, 2014 01:31 PM (wAQA5)

83 It's like he's trying to emulate me.
Posted by: Jimmy Carter at March 19, 2014 05:28 PM (Aif/5)

TFG left you in the dust, a long time ago, Peanut Man..

Posted by: tu3031 at March 19, 2014 01:32 PM (nsQhi)

84 75 speaking of obama's IRS... I now know why I have yet to receive my tax refund. obama's IRS has my return "under review." Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 05:30 PM (KRTiE) Oh dear.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 19, 2014 01:32 PM (oMKp3)

85 Being in favor of Political Correctness is prestigious, and being opposed to it is heavily stigmatized.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:32 PM (jhfwW)

86 I know of the black web, have read a few stories about how the wizards keep it separated from the masses, etc., but I have to assume it's littered with informants/plants/agents, etc. Suppose a totally invisible to authorities network existed, what could you do on it? Certainly not Amazon or Hulu or Netflix or your banking or your genealogy.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 01:32 PM (ZshNr)

87 Obama says we have to give it away because NSA was bad. While Obama stonewalls domestic investigation of NSA.

Freedom of the internet can certainly be done away with by international management, and I can see a lot of TV network and newspaper owners slapping each other's backs over that. But no matter who runs the name-game, NSA and agencies like it will still be able to snoop on whatever's going on. It's still "traffic."

So, the "solution" is a punishment to the American people, and other upstarts, while it does nothing to solve the designated problem. You know, like the ACA.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2014 01:32 PM (xq1UY)

88 Shockingly, oppressive govts don't like to be challenged on the internet. And they mean to stop it. That's awfully bossy of them.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 01:32 PM (GjYxB)

89 They are really ramping it up in Venezuela. The internet is probably the only non censured out let they still have.

Posted by: Zombie Pug at March 19, 2014 01:33 PM (r7mtu)

90 Without a means of peaceful dissent like the first amendment and it's internet pressure relief valve , another kind of dissent will be inevitable , which is ,,, unfortunate . The 'other' kind of dissent will fall on the just as well as the unjust . We're living in interesting times and that really sucks .

Posted by: awkward davies at March 19, 2014 01:33 PM (whqez)

91 Your internet will now be under the control of the International UN Run version of the DMV. 

Posted by: rd at March 19, 2014 01:33 PM (D+lxs)

92 I really need to start learning Russian.

Posted by: Joey Biden at March 19, 2014 01:34 PM (GSIDW)

93 Is this part of that nefarious plan Glenn Beck is always talking about, Plan 9, or whatever?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 01:34 PM (KRTiE)

94 The ONE thing the government doesn't want!?

Of course the rest of the world will love us now, and that's what's important.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 19, 2014 01:34 PM (pgQxn)

95 One thing George Will got right: "America is an imperfect country surrounded by atrocious countries." There is going to be trouble over this intertube thingy.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 19, 2014 01:34 PM (1Y+hH)

96 I know of the black web, have read a few stories about how the wizards keep it separated from the masses, etc., but I have to assume it's littered with informants/plants/agents, etc. Suppose a totally invisible to authorities network existed, what could you do on it? Certainly not Amazon or Hulu or Netflix or your banking or your genealogy. Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 05:32 PM (ZshNr) Well, you use the "white" web for silliness like Amazon or Hulu. The other one is... for not that. BTW: don't bank online if you can avoid it. Jus' sayin, and yes I do check balances and whatnot, but given the post topic.... uh... ya think that's going to be a good plan down the road?

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 01:35 PM (x3YFz)

97 And there are very few intellectuals who will actually speak out against Political Correctness. Some will speak out in favor of Freedom of Speech. But their resolve isn't that impressive.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:35 PM (jhfwW)

98 SilkRoad stuff, I presume?

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 01:35 PM (ZshNr)

99 LOL - didn't realize I still had the Biden sock on, but it' strangely apropos.

Posted by: votermom at March 19, 2014 01:36 PM (GSIDW)

100 and for chrissake never use your phone for banking. Ever.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 01:36 PM (x3YFz)

101 Trust us, we know what we are doing.

Besides, what could go wrong?

Posted by: The Government at March 19, 2014 01:36 PM (1Rgee)

102 Haven't read the comments - but is there nothing Congress can do to put a stay on this?

Posted by: votermom at March 19, 2014 01:37 PM (GSIDW)

103 How am I going to distract myself for hours on end? Nooooooo!!!!

Posted by: DangerGirl at March 19, 2014 05:30 PM (GrtrJ) ...

I might actually have to get some work done. Boss will be stoked.

Posted by: wth at March 19, 2014 01:37 PM (wAQA5)

104 I pay my utilities, mortgage, etc all online. It's not like if I can fill out forms and drop them at the branch that info doesn't get immediately fed into a corporate wide network.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 01:37 PM (ZshNr)

105 I think in a way, the tech companies like Verizon, Google & Apple want the free internet destroyedÂ….. So they can rip us off when the "free" net is goneÂ….

Posted by: redguy at March 19, 2014 01:38 PM (d8wEw)

106 97 SilkRoad stuff, I presume? Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 05:35 PM (ZshNr) Honestly, I'm no expert. My time over the last decade has been spent elsewhere doing other things so I haven't kept up. But everyone knows a guy who knows a guy. It ain't hard to get in.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 01:38 PM (x3YFz)

107 Is this part of that nefarious plan Glenn Beck is always talking about, Plan 9, or whatever?

He will unveil an incredible story on it next Monday that will shock you to your core and make you question every single thing you have ever believed.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 19, 2014 01:38 PM (+lsX1)

108 Remember all those boring episodes of SLIDERS with the fat kid from LEAN ON ME where they'd visit a totalitarian version of the USA? Welcome to living in an episode of Sliders..

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 01:38 PM (KRTiE)

109 You had better put some black electrician's tape  over your webcam pretty ricky tick.    The ITU will be watching you.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 19, 2014 01:39 PM (BAS5M)

110 /sock

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 19, 2014 01:39 PM (IN7k+)

111 A lot of people wouldn't even consider limitations on Politically-Incorrect speech undesirable. After all, they themselves enforce such limitations on a daily basis. The First Amendment does prevent the Government from employing Statist compulsion. For now.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:39 PM (jhfwW)

112 Biden had the original idea for youtube clear back in 2010.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 19, 2014 01:39 PM (+lsX1)

113 99 and for chrissake never use your phone for banking. Ever. Yeah, doing that is really dumbÂ…. Taking pics of checks? dumb Sending then as a "deposit"? Really dumb

Posted by: redguy at March 19, 2014 01:39 PM (d8wEw)

114 107 Is this part of that nefarious plan Glenn Beck is always talking about, Plan 9, or whatever? He will unveil an incredible story on it next Monday that will shock you to your core and make you question every single thing you have ever believed. When Obummer got elected - that made me question every single thing I have ever believed.

Posted by: redguy at March 19, 2014 01:40 PM (d8wEw)

115 Indeed, who governs the government?

Posted by: We The People at March 19, 2014 01:40 PM (KRTiE)

116 I will miss all you morons....sniff

Posted by: Paladin at March 19, 2014 01:40 PM (LtaK3)

117 I invented the internet you know. Now rub a little lower sugar tits.

Posted by: Al Gore wants a massage at March 19, 2014 01:41 PM (Aif/5)

118 Camel has his nose under the tent already. People want a la carte in cable TV? Mama govt will force the cablecos to do so. Once networks are unbundled, your price will rise. People want govt to sanction marriages? You get ghey marriage. People want "common sense gun laws"? You get gun confiscation. People want "health care reform"? You get Obamacare. When the government gets involved, it fucks it up because govt needs and craves the power.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at March 19, 2014 01:41 PM (HxSXm)

119 Breaking:   Baraka just read about this in the newspaper, and man is he pissed.

Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 01:41 PM (sx5Tc)

120 After all, Political Correctness was pioneered in the Soviet Union, History's Noblest Experiment. And anyone who opposes it is an Enemy of the People.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:41 PM (jhfwW)

121
We must be fair regarding control of the Internet, and by allowing Russia and China to be co-equal partners in the management of this asset, this will demonstrate we believe in fairness, equity, and proving to the world America does not seek to enslave them the way America indentured the Negro. 

Posted by: Barack Milhouse Obama at March 19, 2014 01:41 PM (nQjHM)

122

I don't get from that who does the deciding. Who gets to vote in the elections? Who decides who is in the pool of experts?

 

 

Them.  They.  The Men In Black like we told you.  Now look at my pen here . . .

Posted by: Agent K at March 19, 2014 01:41 PM (BAS5M)

123 I pay my utilities, mortgage, etc all online. It's not like if I can fill out forms and drop them at the branch that info doesn't get immediately fed into a corporate wide network. Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 05:37 PM (ZshNr) In this day and age it's very difficult to drop your internet profile to zero. Some things are unavoidable. But last time I checked, my bank took deposits in person just fine and checks are still legal so...

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 01:41 PM (x3YFz)

124 Panama Canal, meh.
He's also giving away The Biggest Fucking Stick on The Playground.
Our warheads are being de-activated, with nothing to replace them.
Not exactly headlining the MSM, but, tell you what. Ask around.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2014 01:41 PM (xq1UY)

125 Yes, speech codes will be imposed. Yes, a universal taxing entity will be inserted.

Thank you, Barack, for a giveaway that will trivialize countless Panama Canals. Idiot.

Transform America indeed. Name one Obama policy that he brought to the table himself that doesn't harm America. Or, alternately posed, what would one do differently from Obama if one's goal was to neuter or destroy Legacy America?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 19, 2014 01:42 PM (1CroS)

126 So, the future does look extremely bleak. You can have any opinion you want, as long as it's Politically Correct/societally approved.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:42 PM (jhfwW)

127 Ya know, none of this is helping lower my stress level.

Posted by: votermom at March 19, 2014 01:42 PM (GSIDW)

128 In the interest of fairness and multi-cultural diversity (including LBGT sensitivity), I think the U.S government in its sole discretion should be empowered to decide which citizens will be allowed to have computers or any other device capable of accessing the internet. The monthly fee imposed for this privilege (which by law could not be increased by more than 500% in any 12 month period) would be in the form of an individual mandate, with the IRS tasked with enforcing collection of same. Needless to say, this type of legislation could be ‘fine tuned’ as required (perhaps through Executive Orders)

Posted by: alwyr at March 19, 2014 01:43 PM (V0j3u)

129

I now know why I have yet to receive my tax refund. obama's IRS has my return "under review."
Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 05:30 PM (KRTiE)

I was audited two years ago, and it wasn't fun. If I had any advice to give to anyone going through an audit, I'd just recommend being nice. If it helps, use 'Be nice' as a litany in your head: be nice be nice be nice be nice...like that. The reason I came to that conclusion is that many of the people in the other cubicles were not being nice--some were quite upset and angry--and I imagined how the IRS people would feel after seeing dozens of upset, angry people all day long, so I resolved to be nice.

 

I'm not sure but think I had an easier time of it than most people going through that experience. I ended up owing the government some money (not an impossible amount) and the IRS staff was very helpful and friendly when it came to setting up a payment plan. Anyway, I figured it was a better approach than antagonizing the daylights out of people who can give you a very bad day.

Posted by: troyriser at March 19, 2014 01:43 PM (O66NZ)

130 Well I wont fuck with it...promise.

Posted by: Putin at March 19, 2014 01:43 PM (15qFH)

131 Yeah, maybe it helps a tiny bit, but whether I e-deposit a check, feed it into the ATM or present it to a teller, it still gets scanned into the network. Snail mail seems most dangerous, as you don't get immediate balance adjustments, e-mail notifications, etc.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 01:43 PM (ZshNr)

132 Collectivism and compulsory conformity are, allegedly, good things.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:44 PM (jhfwW)

133 He will unveil an incredible story on it next Monday that will shock you to your core and make you question every single thing you have ever believed.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 19, 2014 05:38 PM (+lsX1)

 

 

--------------------------------------

 

 

Agenda 21.  Don't laugh.  It's real.  And  insidiously destructive to freedom.   It's real enough where Oklahoma passed a law last  week making Agenda 21 illegal.

Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 01:44 PM (sx5Tc)

134 Or, at the very least, Progressive. And therefore Progress.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:44 PM (jhfwW)

135 Why Putin won't misuse the internet.

Posted by: Politico at March 19, 2014 01:44 PM (Aif/5)

136 I don't get from that who does the deciding. Who gets to vote in the elections? Who decides who is in the pool of experts?

Well that's what ICANN does, it hands out .whatever and assigns names to ip's. ICANN's board is the one who decides - http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board

So there's no Russia takeover, no China takeover, it'll be the same people it's always been. And like i pointed out earlier, everyone already agrees ITU is awful, so how exactly are they going to gain control over ICANN?

Posted by: booger at March 19, 2014 01:45 PM (xRDdL)

137 It's OURS. We invented it and we built it. Shut the fuck up and just be grateful we allow you filthy foreigners to use it at all.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2014 01:46 PM (SY2Kh)

138

Ace,

 

The gun-reactionary people, and especially the masters with their jack-booted minions applaud this move.  Running ICANN is all about control.  Control of people's use of the internet.  Isolate people, keep their thoughts and feeling under control. 

 

Remember Preference Cascades?  After all, if you are the "only one" that thinks and feels the way you do, you must be mentally defective.   Until you find out you are not the only one. 

 

Gun Control is also about control.  Not controlling guns, Gun Control is controlling people.  A successful tyrant must keep people isolated and helpless.  Guns and Free Information make it hard to keep people isolated and helpless. 

Posted by: rd at March 19, 2014 01:46 PM (D+lxs)

139 you read about people in other countries getting arrested and taken to court for hate speech for saying really mild things. welcome that to our country now. truth can't see the light of day or it makes someone's feelings hurt.

Posted by: oc joe at March 19, 2014 01:46 PM (hqVUe)

140 So, how can they be countered, given that their marketing is so efficient? That most hearts and minds have been won over by them.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:46 PM (jhfwW)

141 Agenda 21. Don't laugh. It's real. And insidiously destructive to freedom. It's real enough where Oklahoma passed a law last week making Agenda 21 illegal.

Ha, nice try rubes. Agenda 22 outlawed making Agenda 21 illegal. You're screwed.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 19, 2014 01:46 PM (+lsX1)

142 Snail mail seems most dangerous, as you don't get immediate balance adjustments, e-mail notifications, etc.

Shit, you're lucky if the carrier doesn't throw the bag containing the envelope with your deposit under a bridge somewhere so he can knock off early and watch basketball.

Posted by: HR at March 19, 2014 01:47 PM (ZKzrr)

143 Without reading the post, links or comments I'm assuming this could just be rerouted and overlaid here in the US if needed.  So whoever was cutting would wind up ignored here.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 19, 2014 01:47 PM (DL2i+)

144 If I made a list of all the winning issues handed to the R's on a silver platter that went ignored, I'd end up in The AoS Barrel.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 01:48 PM (KRTiE)

145 The simple answer is that they cannot be countered. That humanity, therefore, has no real future. No real human future. People will be compelled to live a fundamentally animalistic existence. Just as they already are.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:48 PM (jhfwW)

146 They may block our sites,
but they'll never take OUR ELBOWWWWWWWWWS!!!

Posted by: Internet Braveheart at March 19, 2014 01:48 PM (zp6Iy)

147 Somebody let Joey Choo-Choo know--this actually is a big f*cking deal.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 19, 2014 01:48 PM (llPxj)

148 btw, what did Prince Reebus do today to lead the R's to that tsunami victory in November?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 01:48 PM (KRTiE)

149 Re. Various Panama canal comments above.

The canal is controlled by Panama. Ports at either end are controlled by Chicom companies. That is troubling as are their operations in many ports in the USA.

Nicaragua has sold canal tights to a Chicom (Hong Kong-based) company.

Panama ha invested over $6 billion widening and improving the canal. I doubt the US would have done so.

The US Canal Zone was an exception to the general rule that socialism does not work.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 19, 2014 01:48 PM (cs6+R)

150 Yeah, my check to Servpro after our flood ended up in my neighbor's mailbox, he kindly returned it a few days later, un- postmarked. Dude picked it out of our box and promptly tossed it in theirs. Decent sized check, too.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 01:49 PM (ZshNr)

151 108 Remember all those boring episodes of SLIDERS with the fat kid from LEAN ON ME where they'd visit a totalitarian version of the USA? Welcome to living in an episode of Sliders.. Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 05:38 PM (KRTiE) Won't mind if Sabrina Lloyd and Kari Wuhrer are running around with me, massaging me, bringing me sammiches and such.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at March 19, 2014 01:49 PM (HxSXm)

152 but is there nothing Congress can do to put a stay on this? Posted by: votermom at March 19, 2014 05:37 PM

You talking about the US Congress? Those 535 pampered eunuchs who have spent the last five years as crawling lackeys of Choom Boy and the last 13 years blaming Booooosh?

It's likely they are (at least secretly) on board with this latest treason. Because they think it will still be under their benign authority, even if officially it's run by a combination of the Arab World, the EU, the Norks and every other terrorist/America-hating group in the world.

They'll have a rude surprise coming, which would be cool for us except that the damage to us will already be done.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 19, 2014 01:49 PM (jiM5S)

153 It's apparently incredibly easy to habituate people to repression.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:49 PM (jhfwW)

154 https://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/iana/functions-transfer-faqs-14mar14-en.pdf

Posted by: anon a mouse at March 19, 2014 01:49 PM (gXRIG)

155 There's absolutely no way this could go wrong.  After all, now that we have elected Obama twice, the world respects the US and the international rule of law, unlike the way they acted in the 7th century!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2014 01:49 PM (o3MSL)

156 Also,
Where did Purp go, he splained things like this real good.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 19, 2014 01:50 PM (DL2i+)

157 People end up enjoying the experience so much that they become addicted to it, and start repressing themselves and others just for the fun of it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:50 PM (jhfwW)

158 Yeah, maybe it helps a tiny bit, but whether I e-deposit a check, feed it into the ATM or present it to a teller, it still gets scanned into the network.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 05:43 PM (ZshNr)


First job working at a bank was scanning checks. It's freaking awful, especially the ones with all the pictures and colors, it's damn near impossible for the scanner to read the information properly.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 19, 2014 01:50 PM (WdbF7)

159 Therefore, repression is inevitable.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:51 PM (jhfwW)

160 He misstated one thing about root servers. They don't hold a comprehensive list f websites. Think of them as the . in .com. The com is the Top-level domain (TLD). The root servers keep track of the DNS servers that are authoritative for the com (or org or net or etc) TLDs. Those TLD DNS servers keep track of who is authoritative for a given domain. When you sit down and type in "google.com", your computer starts out by seeing if it knows the IP for that domain. If it doesn't, it asks the DNS servers listed in your IP address info. If that server doesn't know, it escalates it to the next level until a server knows the answer. That server responds with the IP and a Time-to-live (TTL) for that address. As the answer makes it way back to the original requestor, each server along the way remembers the answer for the time specified in TTL. Let's say your internet provider is a .net TLD, and you want google.com. The request will keep heading upward until it reaches the .net DNS servers. Those servers don't know the answer and they don't know how to find it directly since it is a .com. They do, however, know where the root servers are, so they ask them for the answer. The root servers point the .net servers toward the .com servers. That request makes it way down until the request gets to the authoritative server for that domain. This is the official answer. That answer then makes it way back to your computer, and google.com loads. The root servers don't actually control anything.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at March 19, 2014 01:51 PM (zT0DN)

161

You had better put some black electrician's tape over your webcam pretty ricky tick. The ITU will be watching you.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 19, 2014 05:39 PM (BAS5M)

 

 

And the tablet

And the i-phone

 

By the way, the NSA is already doing it. 

Posted by: rd at March 19, 2014 01:51 PM (D+lxs)

162 156 Also, Where did Purp go, he splained things like this real good. Posted by: DaveA at March 19, 2014 05:50 PM (DL2i+) Ya. Where has he been?

Posted by: grammie winger at March 19, 2014 01:51 PM (oMKp3)

163 It is the 1984 society, and people are perfectly ok with it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:52 PM (jhfwW)

164

It was not too far back in time that when a Russia or China were for a certain policy it made the US look REALLY hard at that policy.

 

But the Democrats, led by Obama, are completely in sync with authoritarian regimes and look at this as a diplomatic 'win' to have Russia and China on your side.

 

They just can't let people be free can they?

Posted by: bobbymike at March 19, 2014 01:52 PM (9trNv)

165 More than perfectly ok. Thought policing has been "democratized."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:53 PM (jhfwW)

166 I asked about Purple Avenger the other night. As usual, I was mostly ignored. But one suggested I check his twitter. I don't do twitter.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 01:53 PM (KRTiE)

167 It is the 1984 society, and people are perfectly ok with it.
---
No need to get stressed about it. Stress is the worst thing for your health and longevity as numerous studies show.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 19, 2014 01:54 PM (cs6+R)

168 I don't do twitter anymore either soothsayer.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 19, 2014 01:54 PM (oMKp3)

169 It is the 1984 society, and people are perfectly ok with it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 05:52 PM (jhfwW)


Got the plasma for entertainment, the internet for pr0n, EBT card for the munchies and now legal pot for the relaxation, what can possibly be better than that man?

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2014 01:54 PM (o3MSL)

170 And there is no push back, because people are addicted to it. They enjoy it. They enjoy repressing and being repressed.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:54 PM (jhfwW)

171 It is the 1984 society, and people are perfectly ok with it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 05:52 PM (jhfwW)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Unfortunately, yes.

Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 01:55 PM (sx5Tc)

172 They enjoy repressing and being repressed.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 05:54 PM (jhfwW)


Why it is like the check and balance of repression.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2014 01:56 PM (o3MSL)

173

btw, what did Prince Reebus do today to lead the R's to that tsunami victory in November?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 05:48 PM (KRTiE)

 

 

If he simply keeps his mouth shut and his ass out of the papers, he will be leagues ahead of Steele. 

Posted by: rd at March 19, 2014 01:56 PM (D+lxs)

174 What is Purps twitter?

Posted by: Adam at March 19, 2014 01:56 PM (Aif/5)

175 People might still oppose Government repression. But only if doing so is Politically Correct. So, Political Correctness has won. It is the dominant paradigm. The dominant way of life. A life style. And, in fact, the only permissible life style.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:56 PM (jhfwW)

176
Sen. Rubio has been active on this question, promising a fortnight ago that he would be introducing legislation to ensure the webÂ’s integrity:

A few days after he made this vow, the Commerce Department (quietly) announced its plans. Well, Senator. What are you waiting for?

-Cooke





Oh, Rubio's gots this one.  Not to worry then.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 19, 2014 01:56 PM (kdS6q)

177 164 It was not too far back in time that when a Russia or China were for a certain policy it made the US look REALLY hard at that policy. But the Democrats, led by Obama, are completely in sync with authoritarian regimes and look at this as a diplomatic 'win' to have Russia and China on your side. They just can't let people be free can they? Posted by: bobbymike at March 19, 2014 05:52 PM (9trNv) Why? All they will do is eat junk food.

Posted by: Moochelle Soetoro at March 19, 2014 01:56 PM (HxSXm)

178 Is there a UN Commission on Speech or is that handled by the Uman Rights Commission?

Posted by: RioBravo at March 19, 2014 01:57 PM (cs6+R)

179 I asked about Purple Avenger the other night. As usual, I was mostly ignored. But one suggested I check his twitter.
I'll check Twitter.

Posted by: fluffy at March 19, 2014 01:57 PM (Ua6T/)

180 We did damn good with Steele in 2010. Not so good with Reebus in 2012, in an election that shoulda been a piece of upside-down pineapple wedding cake.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 01:57 PM (KRTiE)

181 this is the worst idea ever. Also, as it stands, ICANN is a bunch of corrupt monkeys. You got to love how democrats govern, just dropping turd on the citizenry from above. Oh well, I guess once they import enough of the 3rd world here it won't make a difference who controls the internet or our nukes or the navy or whatever.

Posted by: oejay44cday at March 19, 2014 01:58 PM (LEEQ+)

182 Political Correctness is to modern "homo homo" what Islam is to a Muslim. The natural order of things. There is no other order. All other orders are Politically Incorrect.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 01:58 PM (jhfwW)

183 We did damn good with Steele in 2010.

We did good despite Steele.

Posted by: HR at March 19, 2014 01:58 PM (ZKzrr)

184 Indeed, this could be a real problem.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 19, 2014 01:59 PM (tVTLU)

185 obama had record-high unemployment, record-high misery, record-high debt, record-high policy failures, a red-hot scandal in Benghazi, and an approval rating below 50% and he still won, and he won a couple of "red" states Prince Reebus sucks.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 02:00 PM (KRTiE)

186 What is Purps twitter?
@PurpAv last tweet was May 27. He may be deep cover on a mission of his own choosing. Not kidding.

Posted by: fluffy at March 19, 2014 02:00 PM (Ua6T/)

187  Is there a UN Commission on Speech?

Posted by: RioBravo at March 19, 2014 05:57 PM (cs6+R)

 

 

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If there isn't, there soon will be.  Iran will probably be  tasked with overseeing it. 

Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 02:00 PM (sx5Tc)

188 I don't which is worse Commerce, ICANN, or whom ever it's successor will be, if history is any gauge things will only get worse.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at March 19, 2014 02:01 PM (7mQyC)

189 RioBravo, as my ONT buddy likes to say to me, good to see you back, Ray.

The "new" parallel Panama Canal was over half finished by the end of the 1960's, all paid for by US investment. The (Democrat) argument over sovereignty stopped the project. Certain persons pushed hard on the idea that ships were obsolete, in order to get Congress to approve giving the white elephant away and "saving" us the rest of the cost. 

The US had already paid for rights and a treaty for the Nicaragua canal route, which it repudiated -- in 1970. The new one is absolutely Chinese, bank to bank. 

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2014 02:01 PM (xq1UY)

190 We're gonna need another internet. Have the Koch brothers start one up with guaranteed free speech, watch liberal and leftist heads explode.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 19, 2014 02:01 PM (llPxj)

191 if history is any gauge things will only get worse.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at March 19, 2014 06:01 PM (7mQyC)



This is the immutable truth!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2014 02:02 PM (o3MSL)

192 He may be deep cover on a mission of his own choosing. Not kidding.

Or trapped under a VW bug.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 19, 2014 02:02 PM (DL2i+)

193 Of course, there is one other viable order. Christianity. But people are conditioned to reject it. They reject it because they are conditioned to believe that it is too restrictive. And then they succumb to Political Correctness. Which is infinitely more restrictive. Infinitely more repressive. Infinitely more cruel. Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 19, 2014 02:03 PM (jhfwW)

194
You can't really stop the net, you can only hope to contain it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 19, 2014 02:03 PM (0Kobm)

195 It's kind of scary to realize how internet-dependent I've become for so many things.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 19, 2014 02:03 PM (oMKp3)

196
We did damn good with Steele in 2010. Not so good with Reebus in 2012, in an election that shoulda been a piece of upside-down pineapple wedding cake.
Posted by: soothsayer




Hey, what say we bring Ken Mehlman back for another term as RNC Chair?  That ought to be amusing.

Good, what a useless consecutive run of political dollymops.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 19, 2014 02:03 PM (kdS6q)

197 "Or, alternately posed, what would one do differently from Obama if one's goal was to neuter or destroy Legacy America?"

Take fewer vacations.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at March 19, 2014 02:04 PM (kUgpq)

198 The real issue is not even worrying about Free Speech... Its giving the UN a method of Taxation. The UN has always wanted its own revenue stream, so it would not be under the thumb of folks like the US, who could stop funding if they did anything really outrageous... But this will allow them to have a method of ENFORCING a Tax.... pay or we cut you off from E Commerce... THAT is what we do not want....

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 19, 2014 02:04 PM (84gbM)

199 Or trapped under a VW bug.
:--) Only if his hands were pinned. Otherwise, he would just disassemble it from below.

Posted by: fluffy at March 19, 2014 02:04 PM (Ua6T/)

200 Remember the SANDRA BULLOCK movie THE NET? That was made way back when the internet was crappy with Compuserve and AOL.

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at March 19, 2014 02:04 PM (KRTiE)

201 A second layer above the root that was controlled elsewhere could still be formed and utilized for certain countries.

Like having mirror sites for downloading.

What this WILL do is make it impossible or difficult for those within a country that censors the root file from accessing those websites being prohibited.

Things might have to be set up slightly differently to make that happen and who would be in charge of it?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Awaiting Armageddon) at March 19, 2014 02:05 PM (LSDdO)

202 You had better put some black electrician's tape over your webcam pretty ricky tick. The ITU will be watching you.Posted by: Count de Monet at March 19, 2014 05:39 PM (BAS5M) It's been there since the laptop came out of the box (the black electrical tape).

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 02:06 PM (x3YFz)

203 The UN has always wanted its own revenue stream, so it would not be under the thumb of folks like the US, who could stop funding if they did anything really outrageous... But this will allow them to have a method of ENFORCING a Tax.... pay or we cut you off from E Commerce... Good luck leaving the UN Building......

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 02:06 PM (GjYxB)

204

 "Or, alternately posed, what would one do differently from Obama if one's goal was to neuter or destroy Legacy America?"

 

Take fewer vacations.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at March 19, 2014 06:04 PM (kUgpq)

 

 

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That and work nights. 

Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 02:07 PM (sx5Tc)

205 Foreigners get a revenue stream from the American-invented internet, extorted from American megacorps, for which they receive absolutely nothing but a staying of the blade? Brilliant idea, Barky you evil fuck.

Posted by: --- at March 19, 2014 02:07 PM (RFxpW)

206 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Awaiting Armageddon) at March 19, 2014 06:05 PM (LSDdO) I have less than zero clue how the internet works. So I am counting on you guys to figure this out and take care of it for me. Thx in advance.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 19, 2014 02:08 PM (oMKp3)

207 Things might have to be set up slightly differently to make that happen and who would be in charge of it?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Awaiting Armageddon) at March 19, 2014 06:05 PM (LSDdO)

 

 

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Algor?  I mean, after all, he invented all  of this.

Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 02:09 PM (sx5Tc)

208 I have less than zero clue how the internet works.

It's a series of tubes, filled with cats.

Posted by: Zombie Ted Stevens at March 19, 2014 02:10 PM (ZKzrr)

209 I don't know....maybe keeping idiots like Steven King off the internet is worth the trouble that Russia and China will cause.

"Oooo, right-wingers mad about Obamacare tweets. They're the ones who think the earth is 6000 years old. THAT'S scary."

http://tinyurl.com/o4wlknw

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (anti-Irish Bigot) at March 19, 2014 02:10 PM (QFxY5)

210 The other thing ICANN does, is give out IP addresses.... Are they also going to give that up? Because that could be a HUGE moneymaker for the UN.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 19, 2014 02:11 PM (84gbM)

211 201 - π

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at March 19, 2014 02:11 PM (7mQyC)

212 It's a series of tubes, filled with cats. I suspected as much, but didn't want to say anything in case I was wrong.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 19, 2014 02:11 PM (oMKp3)

213 Remember when soft minds thought the United Nations was a great idea? Now it's a cesspool. And adversarial to our own best interests. Look to history for the future.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2014 02:12 PM (A98Xu)

214 I don't know....maybe keeping idiots like Steven King off the internet is worth the trouble that Russia and China will cause.
Who'lda thunk, a professional writer sucks at Twitter.

Posted by: fluffy at March 19, 2014 02:12 PM (Ua6T/)

215 168 I don't do twitter anymore either soothsayer. Posted by: grammie winger at March 19, 2014 05:54 PM (oMKp3) Asking about stress? Good plan: remove twitter, FB and your cell phone. Just go land line. Zero social media. And the people that say "oh, I just use FB to keep up on friends," well, my real friends know how to reach me. Everyone will look at you like you lost your mind when they ask for your cell and you say you don't have one, but it's oh so worth it. I'm home in the evenings, and I check e-mail once every 4 days. That's how you can get in touch with me.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 02:13 PM (x3YFz)

216 But, as far as managing the assignment of domains, why not let the individual countries manage their own country codes? Russia can do all the censoring they want in the .ru domain.

As i understand it, the point of ICANN is that no country should be able to censor the net, that it should be open to everyone, it's slogan is One World One Web or something like that, but basically what it does is just give names to ip's, so countries can still restrict whatever they want regardless of what ICANN does. I think Zombie John Gotti explained it better than i ever could at #160.

Posted by: booger at March 19, 2014 02:13 PM (xRDdL)

217 I have less than zero clue how the internet works. So I am counting on you guys to figure this out and take care of it for me. Thx in advance. Posted by: grammie winger at March 19, 2014 06:08 PM (oMKp3) I also have no idea how the internet works, I barely know how to delete browser history, however, necessity is the mother of invention or something.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2014 02:13 PM (A98Xu)

218 Ace Unplugged better have ampersands

Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 02:14 PM (KgN8K)

219 199 The real issue is not even worrying about Free Speech... Its giving the UN a method of Taxation. The UN has always wanted its own revenue stream, so it would not be under the thumb of folks like the US, who could stop funding if they did anything really outrageous... But this will allow them to have a method of ENFORCING a Tax.... pay or we cut you off from E Commerce... Posted by: Romeo13 at March 19, 2014 06:04 PM (84gbM) --------------------------- THIS !!!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 19, 2014 02:14 PM (dfYL9)

220 Anything the Obama administration does is designed to destroy the United States. Ruining the Internet is just one more step in that process; and that process is never "minor bookkeeping".

Posted by: An Observation [/i] [/s] [/b] [/u] at March 19, 2014 02:14 PM (ylhEn)

221 I generally go withÂ….if Obama supports it, I don't.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2014 02:15 PM (A98Xu)

222 218 I have less than zero clue how the internet works. So I am counting on you guys to figure this out and take care of it for me. Thx in advance. Posted by: grammie winger at March 19, 2014 06:08 PM (oMKp3) I also have no idea how the internet works, I barely know how to delete browser history, however, necessity is the mother of invention or something. Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2014 06:13 PM (A98Xu) it's all just squirrels and rubber bands. And servers that break.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 02:15 PM (x3YFz)

223 Because that could be a HUGE moneymaker for the UN.
Third world countries have no way to make money from that now.

Posted by: Niue at March 19, 2014 02:15 PM (Ua6T/)

224 People are only going to take notice when "what what in my butt butt" and all the "I can haz" kittehs start costing money.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 19, 2014 02:15 PM (pgQxn)

225 My Twitter isn't working from tablet, but on PC I will drop in on Mr., King. I hate that 6,000 year old earth shit as applied to politics. Look, it's a religious belief held by various sections of various Religions, why doesn't King mock Muslim beliefs? Or openly mock Jewish beliefs? He can't, so he couches it in politics. A coward, a bigot and a useless human being if it weren't for two or three novels.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 02:15 PM (ZshNr)

226 My vision of the future:


By accessing the new and improved international internet, you automatically agree to accept the current (updated hourly) terms and conditions in the EULA, which include UN access to your banking accounts to facilitate the user fees taxes being promptly remitted, and you agree under penalty of international law to both waive your extradition rights and to abide by all hate crime laws and sharia provisions existing anywhere in the world. 


No problem, right?

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2014 02:16 PM (o3MSL)

227 They better not mess with my pron, or there will be blood.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 19, 2014 02:16 PM (Q8vlx)

228 222 I generally go withÂ….if Obama supports it, I don't. Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2014 06:15 PM (A98Xu) Wife and I had this discussion the other night. As a guy who wore a uniform through the end of the cold war, it shocks me to say that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so I'm cheering for Putin. How fucked up is that?

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 02:16 PM (x3YFz)

229 Oh, well, it was interesting to have a glimmer of media freedom for a few years, in the early-middle years of my life. For the last 10-15 years, I've been introduced to ideas that revolutionized my thinking, a few times over. I never expected it, and never thought it would last. The most effective fences are the ones you can't see. It's the censorship that occurs behind the scenes that matters. It's the constraint of thought that shapes a person's assumptions and biases, even before the issue du jour is presented. It's in the questions that we're allowed to ask. The worst offender was always television. In a world of three channels and federal licensing, the range of acceptable opinion was formed before the news events being covered ever occurred. The (now dead) news magazine industry was next. It was a pipe dream to think a wide open Internet would last forever. See y'all in the camps. I'll bring the hooch.

Posted by: Phinn at March 19, 2014 02:16 PM (2kYXn)

230 So, when the internet of things is fully realized, will the UN tax the communications between my toaster and refrigerator?

Posted by: chuckR at March 19, 2014 02:17 PM (w6bKm)

231 Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 06:15 PM (ZshNr) ------- He's a leftist, he probably doesn't believe any of the bad things we make up about Muslims.

Posted by: Adam at March 19, 2014 02:17 PM (Aif/5)

232 211 - Not to my knowledge, besides it's really ARIN and her 4 other regional sisters that manages those as well as the AS# database.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at March 19, 2014 02:17 PM (7mQyC)

233 Take a look at the cast of characters on the US Human Rights Council(or whatever they are calling it today) and let me know if you want them controlling any part of the internet.  Obama has no problem with that outcome, but we're the extremists.

Posted by: Joe at March 19, 2014 02:18 PM (QFnhZ)

234 Things might have to be set up slightly differently to make that happen and who would be in charge of it? Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Awaiting Armageddon) at March 19, 2014 06:05 PM (LSDdO) But the second part of ICANNs job is to say who gets what IP addresses.... Now IPV6, it has long been discussed that part of the address will be a country code... Which means you could stop certain countries addresses at a router level... not allowing their traffic to pass... 'IF' the UN takes over IPV4... they may try to do the same thing... give out IPV4 address spaces country by country (for fairness of course).... which would allow them to really limit where you can go at the router level... Chaos is an Allie of Freedom....

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 19, 2014 02:18 PM (84gbM)

235 Look to history for the future.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2014 06:12 PM (A98Xu)



And it (the UN) is primarily funded by the US taxpayer.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2014 02:18 PM (o3MSL)

236 219 Ace Unplugged better have ampersands Time to practice morse code.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 02:18 PM (GjYxB)

237 On UN Soviet controlled Earth, inter-webs route you.

Posted by: Common Core Republican at March 19, 2014 02:18 PM (Cs2tJ)

238 >>>Wife and I had this discussion the other night. As a guy who wore a uniform through the end of the cold war, it shocks me to say that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so I'm cheering for Putin.

How fucked up is that?

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 06:16 PM (x3YFz)

 

Anybody who makes Obama and the rest of the "end of history" crowd look like the clowns they are can't be all that bad.

Posted by: Paul at March 19, 2014 02:19 PM (9qDRl)

239 John McCain supports this concept.

Posted by: Common Core Republican at March 19, 2014 02:19 PM (Cs2tJ)

240

What used to seem impossible or tin-foily is now within  the realm of possibilites.

 

I've been wondering for the last 2 or 3 years now when Dear Leader is going to start giving away federally owned land  to different countries  to pay off this nation's debt.  With Yellen's predictions of having to increase the prime rate, I'm thinking fairly soon.

Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 02:20 PM (sx5Tc)

241 Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 06:16 PM (x3YFz) You mean like in the old cowboy movies where the hero gives the bad guy his extra gun because the Indians are attacking?

Posted by: Meremortal at March 19, 2014 02:21 PM (1Y+hH)

242 Time to practice morse code.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 06:18 PM (GjYxB)



All your wavelengths are belong to us!



Your time will be better spent learning the tap code for the camps.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2014 02:21 PM (o3MSL)

243 How fucked up is that? Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 06:16 PM (x3YFz) I know, I can't say I'm rooting for Putin, but I can say I wish we had a leader like him who puts his country's best interest first. And I don't care if Putin makes Obama look weak, he is weak, his policies are weak.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2014 02:21 PM (A98Xu)

244 John McCain supports this concept.

Posted by: Common Core Republican at March 19, 2014 06:19 PM (Cs2tJ)

 

 

-----------------------------------------

 

 

Take THAT, you filthy hobbotsies.

Posted by: Juan McCain at March 19, 2014 02:22 PM (sx5Tc)

245 And it (the UN) is primarily funded by the US taxpayer. Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2014 06:18 PM (o3MSL) Bingo. Whatever is going to happen with the internet is going to cost us.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2014 02:22 PM (A98Xu)

246 You mean like in the old cowboy movies where the hero gives the bad guy his extra gun because the Indians are attacking? Posted by: Meremortal at March 19, 2014 06:21 PM (1Y+hH) Exactly like that.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 02:22 PM (x3YFz)

247 What used to seem impossible or tin-foily is now within the realm of possibilites. I've been wondering for the last 2 or 3 years now when Dear Leader is going to start giving away federally owned land to different countries to pay off this nation's debt. With Yellen's predictions of having to increase the prime rate, I'm thinking fairly soon. Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 06:20 PM (sx5Tc) Not to be an Indian giver, butÂ… Alaska seems nice...

Posted by: Prez. Putin at March 19, 2014 02:22 PM (CTCNK)

248 And I don't care if Putin makes Obama look weak, he is weak, his policies are weak.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2014 06:21 PM (A98Xu)



But his NCAA picks are simply fabulous!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2014 02:22 PM (o3MSL)

249 You may have to shoot said bad guy later, but for now, he's better than the alternative.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 02:22 PM (x3YFz)

250 239 --- Didn't he already give Putin some Aleutian islands --- without anything asked in return?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 19, 2014 02:22 PM (dfYL9)

251 186?
sooth?

Yeah, I am still shaking my head in wonder & bafflement at that. Ø-Mericans sure got stupid, fast....

Posted by: backhoe at March 19, 2014 02:22 PM (ULH4o)

252 Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at March 19, 2014 06:17 PM (7mQyC) Isn't ARIN basically a sub contractor under ICANN? ie... doesn't ICANN decide who the regionals are?

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 19, 2014 02:22 PM (84gbM)

253 It was a pipe dream to think a wide open Internet would last forever. See y'all in the camps. I'll bring the hooch. I need to design a D13 patch. (District 13)

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 02:23 PM (GjYxB)

254 Posted by: Prez. Putin at March 19, 2014 06:22 PM (CTCNK)

And I bet you can see Sarah Palin's house from your dacha, so it is sort of in the neighborhood.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2014 02:23 PM (o3MSL)

255 Exactly like that. Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 06:22 PM (x3YFz) I'm down with that, let's roll. We can handle Pooty Poot later.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 19, 2014 02:25 PM (1Y+hH)

256 249 239 --- Didn't he already give Putin some Aleutian islands --- without anything asked in return?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 19, 2014 06:22 PM (dfYL9)



As a "reset" bonus, I thought those islands had potential for oil drilling, not that we need any of that here.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2014 02:25 PM (o3MSL)

257 I didn't read all the comments but, why are we "transferring control" of anything?

Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2014 02:25 PM (A98Xu)

258 I need to design a D13 patch. (District 13) Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 06:23 PM (GjYxB) I have a working copy of the Horde patch. My almost-english-speaking patch guy is blowing up my e-mail daily wanting to cash in. Guess he doesn't know that stuff moves slower with us cowboys. We gotta think about it fer a bit (translation: stop pestering me or I'm going to have to dig another hole) before we decide.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 02:26 PM (x3YFz)

259 176 Sen. Rubio has been active on this question, promising a fortnight ago that he would be introducing legislation to ensure the webÂ’s integrity: A few days after he made this vow, the Commerce Department (quietly) announced its plans. Well, Senator. What are you waiting for? -Cooke Oh, Rubio's gots this one. Not to worry then. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 19, 2014 05:56 PM (kdS6q) Just got to wait for chuck schumer to stick his hand up his ass to make him talk.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 19, 2014 02:26 PM (wabqC)

260 In a decade life will be much simpler and our priorities will be straight. Life will boil down to food and shelter. Pretty much like a zombie apocalypse. And my husband thinks watching zombie movies is a waste of time.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at March 19, 2014 02:26 PM (4Chvm)

261 Can we tax it now?

Posted by: Common Core Republican at March 19, 2014 02:27 PM (Cs2tJ)

262 Nood

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 19, 2014 02:28 PM (oFCZn)

263 Yep. So, glad I have a hard copy of '62 missal, office readings, DR and RSV bible and CCC. Not gonna rely on the interwebz.

Posted by: Havildar - Major at March 19, 2014 02:30 PM (kduZC)

264 Putin in such a panic over Obama's response to the Crimean festivities that he has announced he's not happy with conditions in Estonia either. Russian speakers are being persecuted, same thing he said about Crimea. Time to dust off the Domino theory?

Posted by: Meremortal at March 19, 2014 02:33 PM (1Y+hH)

265 Now IPV6, it has long been discussed that part of the address will be a country code... --- Long discussed where? It's not happening in production, nor does it need to in order to filter traffic by country source or destination. "'IF' the UN takes over IPV4... they may try to do the same thing... give out IPV4 address spaces country by country (for fairness of course).... which would allow them to really limit where you can go at the router level..." --- huh? Relax... there aren't many v4 addresses available to lease (last I heard there were only a handful of blocks left for assignment), but it's not practical to even attempt something like your worried about like that at this late date.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at March 19, 2014 02:35 PM (7mQyC)

266 All your internet are belong to us!

Posted by: The 3rd World at March 19, 2014 02:35 PM (jucos)

267 "...why are we "transferring control" of anything?" As reparation for centuries of imperalistic tyranny, of course.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 19, 2014 02:35 PM (1Y+hH)

268 251 - Yes ICANN is the one that grants licenses so to speak to the 5 regionals to operate. "Isn't ARIN basically a sub contractor under ICANN?" -- Yes, though I don't believe the fees travel upstream to mother.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at March 19, 2014 02:38 PM (7mQyC)

269 dididahdit dahdidahdah  dididt dahdidahdit dahdahdah didah dahdah dididahdit

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 19, 2014 02:38 PM (I8YZX)

270 It will end up fracturing the DNS system, as the totalitarians try to emasculate the net and the democracies split off, running their own system. They won't be alone, either

Posted by: HAL at March 19, 2014 02:38 PM (bjHM3)

271 http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2005/11/icann-do-it.html

This takeover has been long in the attempt.  Just that Jimmy Carter II is finally giving over the digital Panama Canal.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 19, 2014 02:47 PM (1zr4/)

272 @OregonMuse

FYICOAMF?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 19, 2014 02:50 PM (IN7k+)

273 268 - B I N G O! That's exactly what is likely to happen once enough BS has transpired. Eventually alternative trusted roots will emerge (see AlterNic from the 90's), then peeps are gonna have to choose which dns boxes their pointed at (directly or upstream) in order to get where they may want. It could and likely will get messy and make troubleshooting these types of issues on a global scale even worse, not to mention of course losing universal resolvability.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at March 19, 2014 02:51 PM (7mQyC)

274 Wait. Typo. dididt = dididit

FY SCOAMF


Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 19, 2014 02:53 PM (IN7k+)

275 The power behind root zone file control is in the ability to masquerade. When you type "nationalreview.com" into your browser, you naturally assume you're being directed to the server that actually is owned by the National Review. But if you control the root zone file, well, you can direct requests to "nationalreview.com" wherever you want, including a server NOT owned by National Review. Now, I'm not a conspiracy nut, but imagine that you wanted to direct people to fake websites, that have the exact same look and feel of real ones, but the content isn't the same. Imagine if you could make those browsers see what you wanted them to see based on the brower's IP address. If I had root zone control, I could make you think you were at whitehouse.gov and you'd never know that you weren't really at whitehouse.gov. And, if I had root zone control, I could make person A go to the real whitehouse.gov, and person B go to the fake whitehouse.gov, based on their IP address, which of course, I would know, since I'm a bad guy.

Posted by: someguy at March 19, 2014 02:56 PM (8XRrT)

276 Karl Denninger wrote about this the other day. He seems to believe that it's much ado about nothing. http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=228857 Remember, the internet was designed to route around damage, and it perceives censorship as damage.

Posted by: rickl at March 19, 2014 03:00 PM (sdi6R)

277 Well if they are going down this road I hope those smarty pants computer geeks who know how to do this whole thing get up another internet started so that when Putin decides to sanction the rest of us... we can still talk among our selves! Is it Congress who gave out the first licenses? Remember Gore bragged about it? We need a new set of those... to keep the world free. Remember Google... do no evil? Too late, but repent the end is near!!! Seriously, this is a bad thing, undo it.

Posted by: petunia at March 19, 2014 03:19 PM (DAcBA)

278 It could and likely will get messy and make troubleshooting these types of issues on a global scale even worse, not to mention of course losing universal resolvability.

If you think a circular cluster-fark is fun in one mostly English-speaking building you ain't seen nothing yet.  I expect we'll see some spectacular ICAN'Ts, and some ICANNA find that website Captains.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 19, 2014 03:26 PM (DL2i+)

279 Can't wait for the worldwide tax to be levied on users - for fairness or something.

Posted by: RWC at March 19, 2014 03:30 PM (QeH9j)

280 274- Actually while that's a decent enough primer apparently he doesn't even notice what he wrote because his 'we'll route around it' is exactly how DNS would get fractured, sure a person can still make thing work you just don't have universal resolvability anymore once you go down that road.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at March 19, 2014 03:33 PM (7mQyC)

281 As a raving Anti-Communist who is also a network engineer, this is not a big deal. All the root zone file does is point to the authoritative DNS servers for each top-level domain, as well as serve as the root of the DNS signing tree. That's it. It is a convenience for name resolution, nothing more. What it points to almost never changes, and the root zone file is published openly in its entirety, which makes it trivial to replicate. DNS lookup in no way depends on a specific root; in fact, it's common practice for network admins to mirror the root zone for performance reasons. I have reservations about this ICANN move, but it was deliberately designed to be nearly powerless in the first place, since their authority is spread across IANA, IETF, IESG, the Internet Society, etc...the governing structure of the internet was designed by cantankerous network engineers, who by-and-large view people with a jaundiced eye. This isn't a big deal. I am not worried too much. The real concern is the ITU, and their burning desire to regulate and tax the internet. As long as ICANN is kept out of their clutches, I am not worried. And this move would arguably make this *harder* because all members must agree to amend their charter. If the US no longer had the power to revoke the charter, this gets set in stone. ICANN and there ITU ain't ever gonna happen.

Posted by: cTwelve at March 19, 2014 03:51 PM (hfCX7)

282 I admit that I don't understand the technical aspects, but considering how the U.S. government is growing more totalitarian by the hour, maybe it's not so bad if the internet is removed from its clutches.

Posted by: rickl at March 19, 2014 04:20 PM (sdi6R)

283 I think the sidebar put it best--Obama is desperate to seem "enlightened" above all else, so he'll do idiotic things like this so America's enemies will smile his way.  He loves America's enemies far more than anything else.

Posted by: Null at March 19, 2014 04:23 PM (xjpRj)

284 All your internets are belong to us.

Posted by: NWO at March 19, 2014 04:50 PM (AymDN)

285 There's an app for that.

Posted by: whoever at March 19, 2014 05:23 PM (pjMym)

286 One of the things about DNS is that if it does get fucked up, anyone - literally, anyone - can say "Screw you guys, I'm making my own DNS." All you need to do is get other people to agree with you. Google already runs a public DNS service - the IP addresses for their servers are 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. (And they've done clever routing so that no matter where you are in the world, that will go to a server near you.) If Google don't like what's going on (and remember, Google make all their money off the open internet) they can just ignore any changes they don't like. China and Russia can make life hell for the Chinese and the Russians, but they have no power in this beyond their own borders.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at March 19, 2014 07:17 PM (2yngH)

287 Google already runs a public DNS service
Yes but do they have ampersands?

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 19, 2014 10:37 PM (DL2i+)

288 After many DECADES of championing freedoms, freedoms of porn, freedoms of felons, freedoms of foreigners, perverts/deviants, liberal socialist have risen to power of the establishment they so hate and forced the Christians out.  Now they hate freedoms, freedoms to protect yourself, freedom to be straight(children too), freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to keep an eye on and be informed of what demorats are doing, namely the internet.  As we see the totalitarians move swiftly to fill our government with muslims and Communists-czars, and those that despise this Country.  Our very freedoms given and acknowledged by our forefathers and Constitution, they abhor and seek to deny/end.  Did you aid and abet, empower with your vote, stand mute, or oppose.  God will demand answers, not b.s. ones either.

Posted by: ron n. at March 20, 2014 01:55 AM (c7HxG)

289 Um, no. Remember, the internet was designed to route around broken segments. It matters not if the break is caused by a lazy backhoe operator chopping thru a fiber optic bundle, or the Chinese government attempting censorship, it looks the same. If the root DNS servers become unreliable, people will switch to unofficial but reliable DNS servers.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at March 20, 2014 05:11 AM (1hM1d)

290 @279: "This isn't a big deal. I am not worried too much.

The real concern is the ITU, and their burning desire to regulate and tax the internet. As long as ICANN is kept out of their clutches, I am not worried. And this move would arguably make this *harder* because all members must agree to amend their charter. If the US no longer had the power to revoke the charter, this gets set in stone.

ICANN and there ITU ain't ever gonna happen.

Posted by: cTwelve at March 19, 2014 07:51 PM (hfCX7"

Exactly. I've dealt with the ITU (and many other networking bodies) for over two decades and the ITU is an authoritarian organization and increasing managed of, by and for ideological/political goals - most of which are anathema to liberty and freedom loving people. 

Posted by: Dr. Deano at March 20, 2014 07:56 AM (NXgTz)

291 Wow, that last comment (28 sucked big wind... Trying to get out the door, dog pestering me to throw his ball, wife pestering me to throw her ball.. or something. So, let me try it again:

@279: cTwelve:  "The real concern is the ITU, and their burning desire to regulate and tax the internet. As long as ICANN is kept out of their clutches, I
am not worried. And this move would arguably make this *harder* because
all members must agree to amend their charter. If the US no longer had
the power to revoke the charter, this gets set in stone."

Exactly. I've dealt with the ITU and many other networking bodies for over two decades and the ITU is an authoritarian organization and increasingly managed of, by and for ideological/political goals - most of which are anathema to liberty and freedom loving people. .

Posted by: Dr. Deano at March 20, 2014 09:28 AM (NXgTz)

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