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March 09, 2014

Interpol: More "Suspect Passports" On Malaysian Flight Than At First Thought
— Ace

This is all via @rdbrewer4.

An Interpol spokeswoman said a check of all documents used to board the plane had revealed more "suspect passports" that were being further investigated.

In addition to the two they've Reuters:

"The fact that we are unable to find any debris so far appears to indicate that the aircraft is likely to have disintegrated at around 35,000 feet," said the source, who is involved in the preliminary investigations in Malaysia.

More of the story (most of which you probably already know) here.

The state-run Thanh Nien newspaper cited Lt. Gen. Vo Van Tuan, deputy chief of staff of Vietnam's army, as saying searchers in a low-flying plane had spotted an object suspected of being a door from the missing jet. It was found in waters about 56 miles south of Tho Chu island, in the same area where oil slicks were spotted Saturday.
"From this object, hopefully (we) will find the missing plane," Tuan said. Thanh Nien said two ships from the maritime police were heading to the site.
An authority told Reuters that it was too dark to be certain the object was part of the missing plane, and that more aircraft would be dispatched to investigate the site in waters off southern Vietnam in the morning.

Possibly a terrorist attack, though so little is known now this is speculation:

[A] former intelligence official told Fox News that the information about stolen passports from two adjacent European countries, combined with recent warnings for flights to the United States about the risk of possible shoe bomb attacks, is concerning

Those passports were from Italy and Austria, and were stolen in Thailand.

As you know, as of this moment, the plane is flat-out vanished. As remarkable as it seems, there is a precedent for that:

There is a precedent for a modern jetliner to fall from the sky while "in the cruise" and lie hidden for months, according to CNN aviation correspondent Richard Quest.
On June 1, 2009, Air France Flight 447 was en route from Rio De Janeiro to Paris when communications ended suddenly from the Airbus A330, another state-of-the-art aircraft.
It took four searches over the course of nearly two years to locate the bulk of flight 447's wreckage and the majority of the 228 bodies in a mountain range deep under the ocean. It took even longer to find the cause of the disaster.

A plane is at its safest point when it is cruising.

Posted by: Ace at 01:58 PM | Comments (185)
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1 Ace,

I read in the last day that if the plane simply disintegrated at altitude that there would be at least some debris field, that the thousands of small, light, often floatable objects in a plane would not sink immediately.

But...that if it simply crashed, intact, into the ocean, that there would be much less chance of debris.

It makes sense.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 09, 2014 02:01 PM (QFxY5)

2 "Possibly a terrorist attack" ya think?

Posted by: tangonine at March 09, 2014 02:05 PM (x3YFz)

3 If the debris is in the deep ocean, then there's a strong probability it will never be found.

Wouldn't there be a debris field if there was massive mechanical failure and the plane slammed into the ocean as well?

Posted by: alexthechick - come for the Global Warming stay for the SMOD at March 09, 2014 02:07 PM (Gk3SS)

4 "The fact that we are unable to find any debris so far appears to indicate that the aircraft is likely to have disintegrated at around 35,000 feet," said the source, who is involved in the preliminary investigations in Malaysia. How's that?

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 09, 2014 02:08 PM (r7mtu)

5 Wouldn't there be a debris field if there was massive mechanical failure and the plane slammed into the ocean as well?

Yeah, but it would be all in one place. If it happened at altitude, it would be scattered over a much wider area.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 09, 2014 02:09 PM (IN7k+)

6 If there was an explosion in the cabin, would that preclude any transmission from the cockpit? You know...someone yelling the traditional Aly Aly Akbar Free Free Fee?

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 09, 2014 02:10 PM (r7mtu)

7 If it was terrorists, you'd think they'd have been loudly claiming responsibility already. And the plane was filled with Chinese passengers. China is not known for restraint or attention to legal niceties; making them a terror target is asking for some serious fucking-up. Possible theory: there were terrorists on board, with some kind of bomb, but were planning to change planes in Beijing to a US flight and go boom. Something went wrong, the bomb went off too soon, and now the terrorists are keeping their mouths shut for fear both of pissing off the Chinese and of looking like a bunch of incompetent nitwits.

Posted by: Trimegistus at March 09, 2014 02:10 PM (Q+Jdg)

8 There's floaty bits in all downed aircraft: seats, bodies, etc etc.

Posted by: tangonine at March 09, 2014 02:10 PM (x3YFz)

9 I read the exact opposite -- that a crash produces a debris field but a mid-air disintegration doesn't, the bits and pieces get so spread out that it's hard to find them. The whole debris field only gets seen cause it's so much stuff floating together. There's no doubt tons of bits floating in the ocean. But the ocean is really, really big

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 09, 2014 02:10 PM (ZPrif)

10 Or maybe it was aliens.

Posted by: Trimegistus at March 09, 2014 02:11 PM (Q+Jdg)

11 I think the moral of the story is, never, ever turn your back on a Thai tranny hooker, because they'll steal your passport and later it will be used by a terrorist to blow up an airplane. So, contra what would be expected, hiring a Thai tranny hooker means that the terrorists have already won. Next time, buy American.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 09, 2014 02:11 PM (R+XDI)

12 The SCOAMF is a gutless pussy.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 09, 2014 02:11 PM (UAMVq)

13 But the ocean is really, really big Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 09, 2014 06:10 PM (ZPrif) annoyingly so.

Posted by: tangonine at March 09, 2014 02:12 PM (x3YFz)

14 Now that I think of it, aliens would need fake passports . . .

Posted by: Trimegistus at March 09, 2014 02:12 PM (Q+Jdg)

15 Breadcrumbs on a dinner plate are easy to find. Now drop a couple of breadcrumbs randomly on a football field. And look for them with binoculars from the upper tier of seats.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 09, 2014 02:13 PM (qyfb5)

16 The Obama administration will release a statement on the incident as soon as they can figure out how to blame it on Bush.

Posted by: Trimegistus at March 09, 2014 02:13 PM (Q+Jdg)

17 It can't be terrorism. Bin Laden is dead, GM is alive, and al Qaeda is on the run!

Posted by: Barack Obama at March 09, 2014 02:13 PM (UAMVq)

18 Was anyone speaking Ugihurese on the flight?

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 09, 2014 02:13 PM (r7mtu)

19 Terrorists don't seem to claim credit like they used to in the 80s and 90s. I'm guessing it's because States (like US, Russia, China, etc) are so much better at tracking down communications. So anybody who claims credit, no matter how anonymously they try to do it, has the wrath of God brought down on them so quick that it's no longer worth trying to take credit.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 09, 2014 02:13 PM (ZPrif)

20 Possible theory: there were terrorists on board, with some kind of bomb, but were planning to change planes in Beijing to a US flight and go boom. Something went wrong, the bomb went off too soon, and now the terrorists are keeping their mouths shut for fear both of pissing off the Chinese and of looking like a bunch of incompetent nitwits. Posted by: Trimegistus at March 09, 2014 06:10 PM (Q+Jdg) The people traveling with the stolen Italian and Austrian passports had tickets to continue directly to Europe (I can't recall if it was only one of them or both who had Amsterdam as the final destination).

Posted by: Vendette at March 09, 2014 02:14 PM (2rr1p)

21 So the terrorists use false identity to board the aircraft and conceal their real identity?

Or the targets of the attack were traveling under false documents in and attempt to conceal their true identity?

Or people in third world countries routinely travel on stolen documents because. . .and doing so confuse the issue of who were the attackers and who were the targets.

Or it was just a drug hit, contract killing.

Posted by: Rall Duphous at March 09, 2014 02:14 PM (HGaUK)

22 14 Now that I think of it, aliens would need fake passports . . . Posted by: Trimegistus at March 09, 2014 06:12 PM (Q+Jdg) Naw. They'd just use alien mind control to make someone think the passport was legit when it was really a can of Spam.

Posted by: tangonine at March 09, 2014 02:14 PM (x3YFz)

23 According to The Mirror in the UK, they have video of someone calling a passenger on the plane and it just ringing and ringing.

There are also reports of Chinese calling their loved ones, and the phones just ringing.

That seems odd to me. Shouldn't the calls just go to voice mail?

?

Posted by: shibumi at March 09, 2014 02:14 PM (25HWz)

24 So, contra what would be expected, hiring a Thai tranny hooker means that the terrorists have already won. Next time, buy American. Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 09, 2014 06:11 PM (R+XDI) This is the kind of insightful analysis you just don't get from conventional news outlets.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 09, 2014 02:15 PM (qyfb5)

25 The people traveling with the stolen Italian and Austrian passports had tickets to continue directly to Europe (I can't recall if it was only one of them or both who had Amsterdam as the final destination). Posted by: Vendette at March 09, 2014 06:14 PM (2rr1p) Amsterdam? Perhaps they lighted up the bong on the flight, got the pilots high who then lost control of the plane?

Posted by: The "Dutch Coffeeshop" Hat at March 09, 2014 02:15 PM (AymDN)

26 Now that I think of it, aliens would need fake passports . . . Posted by: Trimegistus at March 09, 2014 06:12 PM (Q+Jdg)

The power of The Hair compels!

Posted by: alexthechick - come for the Global Warming stay for the SMOD at March 09, 2014 02:15 PM (Gk3SS)

27 I saw someone somewhere else wondering if this was a US manufactured weapon from Libya. But, if you have someone on the plane, I wouldn't think you would need a very sophisticated missile. The tricky part with missiles is getting them to hit the target. But if you had someone bring something electronic onto the plane that the missile could lock onto, then the missile shouldn't need to be so sophisticated.

At least that's what seems to make sense to me, but maybe I don't have a good grasp on the technology.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 09, 2014 02:15 PM (IN7k+)

28 Or it was just a drug hit, contract killing. Posted by: Rall Duphous at March 09, 2014 06:14 PM (HGaUK) 239 people? Yeah, if you do that you make about 2000 enemies. No likely. Speaking from unfortunate experience: You kill someone close to me and I *will* find you. Cartels go out of bounds but not randomly like this.

Posted by: tangonine at March 09, 2014 02:16 PM (x3YFz)

29 Why wouldn't the Chinese be the targets? The Uighurs just had a big attack last week.

Posted by: Iblis at March 09, 2014 02:16 PM (9221z)

30 Remember the Valu-Jet crash into the Everglades in which it disappeared under the surface, with just a few parts showing? It completely disintegrated when it hit the limestone base. I've read the sea in this area is pretty shallow, 170 feet. A plane traveling at 500mph would disintegrate into a zillion pieces.....and might explain why there seems to be no location sounder pinging.

Posted by: Jen at March 09, 2014 02:17 PM (JqB3t)

31 18 Was anyone speaking Ugihurese on the flight? Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 09, 2014 06:13 PM (r7mtu) Uighur, please.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 09, 2014 02:17 PM (UAMVq)

32 Posted by: Trimegistus at March 09, 2014 06:10 PM (Q+Jdg) Problem is that both Malaysia, and CHINA, have been targets of terrorism. But it is in China's interest to bury any terrorist lead... because they understand that terrorism only works if people are scared of it...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 09, 2014 02:17 PM (84gbM)

33 But it is in China's interest to bury any terrorist lead... because they understand that terrorism only works if people are scared of it... Posted by: Romeo13 at March 09, 2014 06:17 PM (84gbM) Funny thing about terrorists: they don't give a shit about causing "terror." They just like to kill.

Posted by: tangonine at March 09, 2014 02:19 PM (x3YFz)

34 A plane is at its safest point when it is cruising. ----------------- Hmm. I'll stay out of planes parked in a hangar. Now, see? I didn't used to be sarcastic. I learned it here.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 09, 2014 02:19 PM (aDwsi)

35 Is comment 28 insane? You really think the cartels are worried about some bereaved family member tracking them down. You've been watching too much Collateral Damage. I mean there is almost no chance that it was cartels but please a bereaved accountant would get caught and tortured to death so fast if he tried to take revenge.

Posted by: Jim Wright at March 09, 2014 02:19 PM (kQl8p)

36 Right, whoever did this (assuming it was terrorism) now has the top two world powers, US and China, hunting them down. EU as well. Crazy to imagine organized criminals picking fights like that. Not good for business.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 09, 2014 02:20 PM (ZPrif)

37 Re: no terrorist group claiming responsibility - Maybe this was a major screw-up (or a thwarted attempt) and they want to get their ducks in a row for another try? Better not to let the authorities know who's behind it yet. ?

Posted by: shredded chi at March 09, 2014 02:20 PM (BISbA)

38 I'll ask the obvious question. What was the ethnicity/religion of the pilot?

Posted by: pep at March 09, 2014 02:20 PM (6TB1Z)

39 KB posted a link the other day to a site where pilots and the like comment. Someone there said that the water where it is believe the plane would have gone down is only 50 meters deep. Although, that first day, it showed the flight over land (Viet Nam). The whole thing is so very odd and becoming more suspicious with all this passport info. Prayers up for the poor passengers and their families.

Posted by: Peaches at March 09, 2014 02:21 PM (8lmkt)

40 If I fly from Malaysia to China on a non purloined passport am I going to get flagged for being "different"?

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at March 09, 2014 02:22 PM (cCxiu)

41 Funny thing about terrorists: they don't give a shit about causing "terror." They just like to kill. Posted by: tangonine at March 09, 2014 06:19 PM (x3YFz) This type of op is there to make a point... to make people scared so they will change their politics... And sadly, it HAS worked... how many Journalists will insult Islam? Hell... how many politicians will say 'boo' about it... whats weird is, that if it is terrorism, normally someone has claimed credit by now... as that is part of the pattern... to claim the act to show their 'strength'...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 09, 2014 02:22 PM (84gbM)

42 What's the average number of stolen passports on a Malaysian air flight. Is it zero or are stolen passports frequent enough that this is just statical noise?

Posted by: Jim Wright at March 09, 2014 02:23 PM (kQl8p)

43 Obama's gonna get right on it after he finishes his round of golf on his "Family" mini-vacay...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at March 09, 2014 02:23 PM (9+ccr)

44 I predict a future of biometric passports -- have to give a saliva DNA sample when checking in to prove you are you. Probably a cheek swab.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 09, 2014 02:25 PM (ZPrif)

45 If that's safe, remind me to not go "cruising". Jihadi probably reached for his cell phone and hit the wrong damn button. Figures. They don't select them for their smarts, only for their beliefs. Luckily, all of the Christians aboard are now with their maker ... whilst all others are shrimp on the grill. I would have said Barbie, but I didn't want to sound racist. ... stop my subscription to Makers Mark! it makes me babble.

Posted by: and irresolute at March 09, 2014 02:25 PM (RqHWH)

46 I'll ask the obvious question. What was the ethnicity/religion of the pilot? Posted by: pep at March 09, 2014 06:20 PM (6TB1Z) He had been with the airline since 1981 and was an examiner. http://tinyurl.com/mldwsnh

Posted by: Jen at March 09, 2014 02:26 PM (JqB3t)

47 I don't got to show you no stinking cheek swab! Just check my chip!

Posted by: and irresolute at March 09, 2014 02:26 PM (RqHWH)

48 I saw this afternoon that the two suspect passengers bought their tickets at the same travel agency, at the same time, and paid cash. As far as not claiming responsibility, if I was a sinister fuck I'd think that's almost more terrifying to the masses than claiming responsibility right away. Drop a few planes without a trace, without warning, without anyone even knowing what happened, and only claim responsibility when the public is all worked up and they might take what you say a little more seriously. From everything I've heard, the plane disappeared from radar at altitude. Disappearing from radio contact is one thing because you'd still show up on radar. Disappearing from both is troubling.

Posted by: rktkt at March 09, 2014 02:27 PM (UUtFu)

49 Walt! Walt! Walt!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 09, 2014 02:27 PM (Y/M/K)

50 In other but related news, those 3 turds from NorCal who went hiking in Iran wrote a book where they say: WE HATE DA JOOS!!

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 09, 2014 02:27 PM (r7mtu)

51 It's a whole different kind of flying altogether.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 09, 2014 02:28 PM (V4CBV)

52 I'll ask the obvious question. What was the ethnicity/religion of the pilot?

Going by their names, both the pilot and copilot were members of the religion of peace:

Zaharie Ahmad Shah, a 53-year-old Malaysian, has been named as the pilot of the Malaysian Airlines plane that went missing on Saturday. Shah joined the airline in 1981 and has 18,365 hours of experience, the airline said in a statement.

The first officer on board was another Malaysian, Fariq Ab Hamid, 27 years old. He joined the airline in 2007 and has 2,763 hours of experience.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 09, 2014 02:28 PM (IN7k+)

53 Here's a link to that aviation blog KB (I think) posted the other day. It's kind of interesting.

http://tinyurl.com/kz6y5rf

Posted by: Peaches at March 09, 2014 02:29 PM (8lmkt)

54 I think it was terrorists but for some reason they are keeping it quiet. They must be afraid of the SCOAMF!

Posted by: Carol at March 09, 2014 02:29 PM (z4WKX)

55 I'm a straight shooter and pretty brave but Kuala Lumpur has always creeped me out ever since the 9-11 report came out. If memory serves, that was where the whole thing started but our guys lost them in the crowds.

Posted by: concrete girl at March 09, 2014 02:29 PM (l9vxU)

56 35 Is comment 28 insane? You really think the cartels are worried about some bereaved family member tracking them down. You've been watching too much Collateral Damage. I mean there is almost no chance that it was cartels but please a bereaved accountant would get caught and tortured to death so fast if he tried to take revenge. Posted by: Jim Wright at March 09, 2014 06:19 PM (kQl8p) We obviously travel in different circles. Insane? No.

Posted by: tangonine at March 09, 2014 02:29 PM (x3YFz)

57 Pennah! Pennah! Pennah!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 09, 2014 02:29 PM (Y/M/K)

58 Ace the time change means turn your clock ahead one hour, not one day.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 09, 2014 02:30 PM (oFCZn)

59 Michael loves Walt!

Posted by: and irresolute at March 09, 2014 02:30 PM (RqHWH)

60 "38 I'll ask the obvious question. What was the ethnicity/religion of the pilot?" Both muslim. One was young. I had the same thought. As for speculation, the Amsterdam thing isn't too wild. They do have quite the Islam problem over there, don't they?

Posted by: Lauren at March 09, 2014 02:30 PM (hFL/3)

61 I think it is going to be very interesting to find out who was carrying the stolen passports..., if we ever do.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 09, 2014 02:31 PM (aDwsi)

62 As for speculation, the Amsterdam thing isn't too wild. They do have quite the Islam problem over there, don't they? Posted by: Lauren ----------------- Massive, by my measure.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 09, 2014 02:31 PM (aDwsi)

63 It's times like these that I am glad this is a smart military blog.

Drudge has a link to some missile speculation that is just filled with stupid, both in the article and in the comments.

Although I do not favor speculation, the passports and the breakup of a 777 at altitude seems a bit of a stretch for coincidence.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 09, 2014 02:32 PM (uluoH)

64 Fly the friendly skies of Malaysia! ... or Vietnam ... or China ... hum yer own tune. Sing a mean tune kid!

Posted by: and irresolute at March 09, 2014 02:32 PM (RqHWH)

65 China is not known for restraint or attention to legal niceties; making them a terror target is asking for some serious fucking-up.

I expect they're already in full some weegur is gonna get it mode after the subway stabbings.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 09, 2014 02:32 PM (DL2i+)

66 Of course, the other possibility is that the passport thing happens all the time (think drug trafficking or sex trade), and this is all just a really strange coincidence. It's not common for planes to break up, but it can happen - it's possible that there was just a catastrophic mechanical failure; even the safest modes of transportation can have the odd failure. I just hope - for the passengers' sake - that whatever happened was quick and they didn't have time to realize what was going on.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at March 09, 2014 02:32 PM (PZ6/M)

67 61 I think it is going to be very interesting to find out who was carrying the stolen passports..., if we ever do. Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 09, 2014 06:31 PM (aDwsi) Does it matter? Will it tell us anything we already didn't know? Rhetorical.

Posted by: tangonine at March 09, 2014 02:32 PM (x3YFz)

68 I saw something earlier today that there is some indication that the plane may have tried to turn around, but didn't declare that it was doing so. That seems to suggest...well something.

Posted by: Lauren at March 09, 2014 02:35 PM (hFL/3)

69 [i[]He had been with the airline since 1981 and was an examiner.

I understand that he has a history and seems fine. However, the link doesn't prove anything. How long was the Egyptian pilot who augured his plane into the ocean a pilot? I gather from his name that the pilot here may be Muslim. Again, doesn't prove anything, but if you thought the pilot might be responsible, which religion would you consider first?

They said it was impossible that Zaharie would be in any way to blame for the disappearance of the aircraft.

Clearly what they mean here is that he didn't screw up and inadvertently cause the plane to crash. That doesn't mean he didn't do it deliberately. Again, doesn't prove anything.

Posted by: pep at March 09, 2014 02:35 PM (6TB1Z)

70 The old muslim pilot is unlikely to be a risk. The young guy ... sometimes people go crazy/get radicalized in their 20s after living a normal/respectable life. That happens. Much rarer in middle-age.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 09, 2014 02:35 PM (ZPrif)

71 The Italian who got his passport stolen had a press conference and said he lost it last year, and reported it to the Italian authorities. So he was saying it couldn't be used again.. (tho it was, so, great system, heh)

He also said he gave it to a scooter rental place for collateral, and when he returned the bike, they had already given it to "someone who looked like him"

Hmmmmm

Posted by: JarvisW at March 09, 2014 02:37 PM (E7Iyp)

72 Come on! Where were they going to refuel? Chicago? ... oh, well, yeah ... maybe. Why not just land in Malaysia, stick a gub in someone's ear and say ... "Show Me The Money!" ... duh!? ... oh, wait I have to take this call and I don't want to trigger my explosive vest by accident, 'cause I am a smart Jihadi ... poof!

Posted by: and irresolute at March 09, 2014 02:37 PM (RqHWH)

73 I saw someone somewhere else wondering if this was a US manufactured weapon from Libya. But, if you have someone on the plane, I wouldn't think you would need a very sophisticated missile. The tricky part with missiles is getting them to hit the target. But if you had someone bring something electronic onto the plane that the missile could lock onto, then the missile shouldn't need to be so sophisticated. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 09, 2014 06:15 PM (IN7k+) The weapons looted from Gaddafi's arsenals in Libya were not US made. The items of greatest concern were Russian-made MANPADS. And at the altitude this plane was flying at, there's no MANPADS in the world that could hit it. You'd have a better chance with a 40mm Bofors.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at March 09, 2014 02:38 PM (DB1vy)

74 Interpol actually has a list that they circulate through the Airlines tagging names of people whose Passports have been stolen. They said that Malaysian Airlines had that list and had those names before the plane even boarded. Interesting. I am almost sure that this has nothing to do with the religion of pieces.... Sure of it.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at March 09, 2014 02:38 PM (jucos)

75 And by scooter rental, he means hooker, right?

Posted by: Lauren at March 09, 2014 02:39 PM (hFL/3)

76 Yeah, Drudge's missile link is retarded. No evidence suggests that and none is presented in the linked article -- other than the dude saying, what if it was a missile? Awesome journalism there dude! I'm surprised Drudge isn't linking to some InfoWars stuff on this.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 09, 2014 02:39 PM (ZPrif)

77 The weapons looted from Gaddafi's arsenals in Libya were not US made. The items of greatest concern were Russian-made MANPADS. And at the altitude this plane was flying at, there's no MANPADS in the world that could hit it. You'd have a better chance with a 40mm Bofors. Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at March 09, 2014 06:38 PM (DB1vy) Thanks I was just going to ask about a manpads range. The airliner was at 38,000 feet if I'm not mistaken. That's pretty high.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 09, 2014 02:40 PM (oFCZn)

78 It's a shame it wasn't 239 suspect passports. Sixty cells, lack of communication... Do you think even jihadis look around and go, "oh, fuck. I wonder if he's on a mission, too"

Posted by: t-bird at March 09, 2014 02:41 PM (FcR7P)

79 What I would like to know is how the fuck somebody gets on an international flight with a passport known to be stolen. I mean, aren't there lists, isn't there a database that would kick it to the "take a closer look" list? WTF????

Posted by: Peaches at March 09, 2014 02:41 PM (8lmkt)

80 35k feet is out of range of man held rockets, no?
Gary Powers was knocked out of the sky by a very large missile from a launching pad.

Posted by: navybrat at March 09, 2014 02:41 PM (AW7Gr)

81 Re: Passports. CNN is reporting that the plane tkts were bought at China Southern Airlines in Bangkok, paid for in Bhats/cash, and bought together, ticket numbers were sequential. The question is how did they get from Bangkok to Kula Lumpor,sp? to get on the plane. Maybe they were Ga Tech students?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 09, 2014 02:43 PM (0FSuD)

82 75 And by scooter rental, he means hooker, right?

Posted by: Lauren at March 09, 2014 06:39 PM (hFL/3)

Turns out the gal he picked up looked more like he did without makeup? lol

Posted by: JarvisW at March 09, 2014 02:43 PM (E7Iyp)

83 "I mean, aren't there lists, isn't there a database that would kick it to the "take a closer look" list? " Yes. But who's checking the lists? Bribed or fellow travelers?

Posted by: Lauren at March 09, 2014 02:43 PM (hFL/3)

84 isn't there a database that would kick it to the "take a closer look" list? WTF???? Fuck if I know!

Posted by: TSA at March 09, 2014 02:43 PM (FcR7P)

85 From Business Insider, regarding what happened to th e Rio de Janiero/Paris flight that disappeared over the Atlantic. http://tinyurl.com/lmxjmgo

Posted by: Jen at March 09, 2014 02:45 PM (JqB3t)

86 Something else interesting. Five passengers did not report for boarding and their luggage was removed from the plane before take off, so the airline was pretty much on top of shit. No one uses the interpol list and somewhere it was reported it is available to police, but NOT airline data bases. That makes no sense, but who knows.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 09, 2014 02:45 PM (0FSuD)

87 The question is how did they get from Bangkok to Kula Lumpor,sp? to get on the plane.

Maybe they were Ga Tech students?

Mormons.

Posted by: pep at March 09, 2014 02:45 PM (6TB1Z)

88 @85 I don't need to read it DUMB FUCK Pilots and BAD Airbus sensors.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 09, 2014 02:45 PM (0FSuD)

89 I will tell you one thing. President Perry would be all over this shit. What's Barky doing? Playing some bad golf or slathering himself and Reggie Love in astroglide today? And Kerry, what's his deal? More wind surfing? {spits}

Posted by: Peaches at March 09, 2014 02:46 PM (8lmkt)

90 The Interpol list isn't that great. Last time I looked at it they still had Robin Hood as a wanted fugitive.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 09, 2014 02:46 PM (oFCZn)

91 lol, dack!

Posted by: Peaches at March 09, 2014 02:46 PM (8lmkt)

92 Diversity attack. Good thing Atheists like to undermine Christianity. And promote Political Correctness/egalitarianism/multiculturalism. Christendom is doomed. And so is humanity in general. Heck of a job, Bolshies. Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 09, 2014 02:46 PM (9JPz+)

93 What's Barky doing? Filling out his brackets.

Posted by: t-bird at March 09, 2014 02:47 PM (FcR7P)

94 Wiki: Egyptian pilot who crashed plane

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990

Posted by: pep at March 09, 2014 02:48 PM (6TB1Z)

95 90 The Interpol list isn't that great. Last time I looked at it they still had Robin Hood as a wanted fugitive. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 09, 2014 06:46 PM (oFCZn) Hey, that's our candidate list

Posted by: Downer Debbie, mop head at March 09, 2014 02:48 PM (0FSuD)

96 I'm also waiting for the WH photo of an engaged and concerned Barry watching Airport '77.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 09, 2014 02:48 PM (oFCZn)

97 While the pilot seems pretty okay, what if he found out he had some kind of terminal disease and decided to win one for the gipper or whatever they call their pederastic douche what started that fool fake religion?

Posted by: Peaches at March 09, 2014 02:49 PM (8lmkt)

98 Hey Peaches!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 09, 2014 02:50 PM (oFCZn)

99 " No one uses the interpol list and somewhere it was reported it is available to police, but NOT airline data bases." Glad our security protocol is so on top of things. Other than looking at us naked that is.

Posted by: Lauren at March 09, 2014 02:50 PM (hFL/3)

100 And Kerry, what's his deal? More wind surfing? {spits} ____________ It's his time to re-up on the botox, I believe. He has to wait 15 minutes to go back to Nantucket.

Posted by: shredded chi at March 09, 2014 02:50 PM (BISbA)

101 @97 Nah, too much honor and family. What if it came out he killed all those people. Asians don't hesitate to kill relatives of crooks.

Posted by: Downer Debbie, mop head at March 09, 2014 02:51 PM (0FSuD)

102 A plane is at its safest point when it is cruising.

I'm a little concerned about the practice of cruising over 40k. Someday they are going to have a pressurization problem up there and large number of passengers with medical consequences.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 09, 2014 02:51 PM (kxSZr)

103 And Kerry, what's his deal? More wind surfing? {spits}

Don't be hatin' on windsurfing. It's a great sport. Now polo? Those guys suck.

Posted by: pep at March 09, 2014 02:51 PM (6TB1Z)

104 Off Downer sock

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 09, 2014 02:51 PM (0FSuD)

105 "...there is some indication that the plane may have tried to turn around..."

That might just be an artifact from the radar's computer algorithm trying to make sense of the chaotic return signal of a plane scattering into pieces.

Posted by: ThomasD at March 09, 2014 02:51 PM (CXs02)

106 Ah, thanks for the clarification on that ThomasD.

Posted by: Lauren at March 09, 2014 02:54 PM (hFL/3)

107 "...there is some indication that the plane may have tried to turn around..."

that might explain why there is no debris on land and it went into the water, because the flight path was over land according to what I have seen.

Posted by: Peaches at March 09, 2014 02:54 PM (8lmkt)

108 however, if they were turning around, wouldn't they have mentioned it?

Posted by: Peaches at March 09, 2014 02:54 PM (8lmkt)

109 A plane is at its safest point when it is cruising.

Apparently safer than the passports of Italian and Austrian tourists in Thailand, when they are cruising. . .

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 09, 2014 02:54 PM (30eLQ)

110 Re: showing up on radar--only military actually paint targets with radio waves. Modern ATC "radar" is just a receiver that tracks signals broadcast from a transponder on the aircraft, like an IFF beacon. It is a passive listening device, it doesn't go looking for moving objects. I think they have battery backups, but probably a few grams of plastic explosives in the right place could take out the radio and transponder instantly. A few hundred grams could kill the cabin crew instantly, or open the cockpit to ambient atmosphere which would ruin everyone's day real quick at 500+ knots, temperatures around -40 and air pressure less than half of what it is at 10K feet of altitude.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 09, 2014 02:54 PM (R+XDI)

111 Travel thread up for those so inclined.

Posted by: Y-not at March 09, 2014 02:55 PM (zDsvJ)

112 Hey, Crank. You feeling better?

Posted by: Peaches at March 09, 2014 02:55 PM (8lmkt)

113 Travel thread up for those so inclined.

Posted by: Y-not at March 09, 2014 06:55 PM (zDsvJ)

threadwinner!!!

oh, wait, that wasn't a joke . . .

Posted by: Peaches at March 09, 2014 02:56 PM (8lmkt)

114 Thanks I was just going to ask about a manpads range. The airliner was at 38,000 feet if I'm not mistaken. That's pretty high. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 09, 2014 06:40 PM (oFCZn) The range of an SA-24, the most advanced MANPADS Libya had, is 20,000 feet, and that's more than most of them. For comparison, the FIM-92 has a range of 15,000 feet.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at March 09, 2014 02:56 PM (DB1vy)

115 The co-pilot was in his 20's.... on those long flights, the co-pilot would have the chance to allah akbar the plane.

Posted by: phreshone at March 09, 2014 02:56 PM (Q6pxP)

116 Technically, this is a travel thread...

Have a safe flight!

Posted by: phreshone at March 09, 2014 02:57 PM (Q6pxP)

117 The sea monster gotit

Posted by: Cat-Snatch-Beavaar at March 09, 2014 02:57 PM (cquH6)

118 So this might have been workplace violence? Or Man made disaster.? I get all of the intent covering language wrong. Workplace violence?

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at March 09, 2014 02:58 PM (jucos)

119 Peaches, ja, thanks, I'm on the mend. Slept for about 12 hours Friday night, had chills and aches all over. Felt better yesterday, back to normal today.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at March 09, 2014 02:58 PM (R+XDI)

120 Obama advisor explains why things aren't working out with Putin. Hint: It's the same reason things don't work out with the Tea Party. http://tinyurl.com/m7cx5ht

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 09, 2014 02:58 PM (E+uky)

121 Yeah, yeah... not the best timing. But everything I've posted can be reached by land if you're on this continent.

Posted by: Y-not at March 09, 2014 02:58 PM (zDsvJ)

122 GUURLS: 'SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE' Ratings Down With Lena Dunham As Host... What? No one want to see the naked potato? Then the terrorists have won.

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 09, 2014 02:59 PM (r7mtu)

123 "Apparently safer than the passports of Italian and Austrian tourists in Thailand, when they are cruising. ." Literally laughed out loud. How much does it suck to be those two right now though? "No, honey, look I know it looks bad but I swear, it was a scooter shop!"

Posted by: Lauren at March 09, 2014 02:59 PM (hFL/3)

124 chance to allah akbar the plane.

Posted by: phreshone at March 09, 2014 06:56 PM (Q6pxP)

it's "allahu akbar," phreshone. try to be more culturally sensitive, eh?

Posted by: Peaches at March 09, 2014 02:59 PM (8lmkt)

125 120 Obama advisor explains why things aren't working out with Putin.

Hint: It's the same reason things don't work out with the Tea Party.

http://tinyurl.com/m7cx5ht

OK, how many checked to see if it was "racism"?

Posted by: pep at March 09, 2014 03:01 PM (6TB1Z)

126 Nood

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 09, 2014 03:02 PM (0FSuD)

127 GUURLS: 'SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE' Ratings Down With Lena Dunham As Host... What? No one want to see the naked potato? Then the terrorists have won. Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 09, 2014 06:59 PM (r7mtu) She is just like a potato: Just when you thought you'd find the most un-sexually stimulating thing ever, the outer covering is removed to show a pasty white lump of un-sexinessÂ…

Posted by: Mr. Potato Head's Hat at March 09, 2014 03:03 PM (AymDN)

128 35k feet is out of range of man held rockets, no? Gary Powers was knocked out of the sky by a very large missile from a launching pad. Posted by: navybrat at March 09, 2014 06:41 PM (AW7Gr) That was an SA-2, and I think at the time it was the Soviet's latest and greatest SAM. They also managed to shoot down one of the MiG's pursuing the U2.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at March 09, 2014 03:05 PM (DB1vy)

129 79 What I would like to know is how the fuck somebody gets on an international flight with a passport known to be stolen. I mean, aren't there lists, isn't there a database that would kick it to the "take a closer look" list? WTF???? Posted by: Peaches at March 09, 2014 06:41 PM (8lmkt) Darlin, the rest of the world doesn't operate like we do here in the US of A. It's the wild west out there. Trust me.

Posted by: tangonine at March 09, 2014 03:05 PM (x3YFz)

130 So is Obama going to appoint Dick Quest the next head of the FAA if he can get him away from CNN?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at March 09, 2014 03:07 PM (hn5v5)

131 115 The co-pilot was in his 20's.... on those long flights, the co-pilot would have the chance to allah akbar the plane. Posted by: phreshone at March 09, 2014 06:56 PM (Q6pxP) That's what I was thinking. The Captain had something like 18,000 hours of flight time without any major incident, so I'm guessing if it was deliberate, it was the co-pilot.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at March 09, 2014 03:07 PM (DB1vy)

132 FUPA = Fat Upper Potato Area

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at March 09, 2014 03:08 PM (hn5v5)

133 7 It can't be terrorism. Bin Laden is dead, GM is alive, and al Qaeda is on the run! - Plus not a single "Don't tread on me" flag was found.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 09, 2014 03:09 PM (E+uky)

134

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at March 09, 2014 07:07 PM (DB1vy)

And that's why the MFM won't repeat the mistake of reporting about the co-pilot like they did during the first night.

Posted by: phreshone at March 09, 2014 03:09 PM (Q6pxP)

135 When a plane crashed elsewhere in Asia a couple of years back teb of the passports turned out to be stolen. Stolen ID documents are the stock in trade of the illegal immigration industry. Both of these passengers where booked through Beijing to final destinations in Western Europe.

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at March 09, 2014 03:10 PM (rc+UK)

136 Serisously, the gurl is one ugly potato. Why would anyone want to see her naked? I assume SNL did it for ratings and it backfired.

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 09, 2014 03:12 PM (r7mtu)

137 Actually the Air France flight plunged into the water and some debris was found floating including part of the tail. The cause of the crash, two co-pilots not knowing the systems, fighting each other, and a captain not asserting control - that took awhile to determine.

The cartels in Colombia one time did blow up a passenger plane.

Then there is Egypt Air Flt 990 where Gamil kept saying "Allah is in control"

At least one 747 was lost when one of the cargo hatches, the motor actually commanded the latches to disengage in flight with no human command.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 09, 2014 03:17 PM (lnUO4)

138 SNL had her host because they are fellow travelers.

On the road to Unfunnyville.

Posted by: JarvisW at March 09, 2014 03:18 PM (E7Iyp)

139 She is just like a potato: Just when you thought you'd find the most un-sexually stimulating thing ever, the outer covering is removed to show a pasty white lump of un-sexinessÂ… Posted by: Mr. Potato Head's Hat at March 09, 2014 07:03 PM (AymDN) Not even butter can help her.

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 09, 2014 03:22 PM (r7mtu)

140 with the moving of The Tonight Show back to 30 Rock, the transition of NBC to DNCTV is complete

Posted by: phreshone at March 09, 2014 03:22 PM (Q6pxP)

141 @139 Bacon couldn't even make me take a 2nd look

Posted by: JarvisW at March 09, 2014 03:23 PM (E7Iyp)

142 During the safety lecture that the stewardess gives at the beginning of every flight, they always talk about using your seat cushion as a flotation device. Now I realize that if an airplane hits the water at 500 mph the result is not going to be a whole lot different from hitting concrete at 500 mph so the usefulness of seat cushion flotation devices is pretty academic but the point that I am finally getting to is that it would seem that if an airplane disassembles, either in the air or upon hitting the ocean surface or 150 feet down when it hits the ocean floor, there ought to be several hundred of those flotation device seat cushions bobbing around on the surface of the ocean.

Yes, the ocean is big but we are talking about hundreds of cushions.

Or is this just a scam? Are those seat cushions actually designed to drag you to a watery death beneath the waves because the airlines face less legal liability if you are dead than if you survive a plane crash?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at March 09, 2014 03:23 PM (PD6iL)

143 Girls has to be the worse series in HBOÂ’s history and HBO has had some pretty bad ones lately. I canceled HBO but then my older brother told me that every show that had been on in the last 10+ years is on demand for a year. I added it back for six months. I liked Angels in America & will watch it again, John Adams was great. He told me Mildred Pierce was also good. If I accidentally put on HBO IÂ’m horrified by their series now, they are trash. Looking is another weird one.

Posted by: Carol at March 09, 2014 03:23 PM (z4WKX)

144 I have a Benghazi/SEAL Team 6 feeling about this airline -- never knowing what actually happened.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 09, 2014 03:24 PM (aUQgu)

145 Now is the time to gut the military

Posted by: Chuck U Schumer at March 09, 2014 03:25 PM (Q6pxP)

146 Senator, that's my line

Posted by: Chuck 'Scapegoat' Hagel at March 09, 2014 03:26 PM (Q6pxP)

147 The safest point in the flight? Only if you trust computers more than real pilots. Few pilots today have experience manually flying planes rather than simulators. The suits running the airlines don't think hands on training can be cost justified. They also think that policies in which the pilots are to rely on autopilot as much as possible saves the airlines money on fuel. The short explanation for AF 337 is the entire crew kicked back and relaxed while the electronics system flying the plane flew them into a situation they weren't prepared to get out of.

The 777 is said to have more redundancies built into than the Airbus in the Air France crash. I've even seen it called idiot proof. Tell that to the passengers on Asiana 214, which was flown into the ground under perfect landing conditions. Note too that MAS is a money losing state owned airline. Maintenance and repairs can be the first place corners get cut.

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at March 09, 2014 03:27 PM (rc+UK)

148 Remember that movie Millennium where time travelers were rescuing people on jetliners that were about to crash?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 09, 2014 03:27 PM (lnUO4)

149 I've even seen it called idiot proof. Tell that to the passengers on Asiana 214, which was flown into the ground under perfect landing conditions. By a fuckin' moron.

fify

Posted by: Peaches at March 09, 2014 03:28 PM (8lmkt)

150 What's the purpose of a terror attack on a hotel in India....a terror attack on a shopping mall in Nigeria...a terror attack on an airliner.....it's all about practice, practice, practice!

Posted by: Dave A at March 09, 2014 03:29 PM (+dx4x)

151 My thought too, Dave A. Or perhaps a demonstration, or a message.

Posted by: Piercello at March 09, 2014 03:34 PM (jJ97i)

152 If Ace were a dog, he would be a Chocolate Labrador -- getting head: http://goo.gl/oYmml6

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 09, 2014 03:35 PM (r7mtu)

153 Those weren't terrorists, those were people trying to get NBC to preempt Lena Durham on SNL...

Posted by: Chris Hayes at March 09, 2014 03:36 PM (Q6pxP)

154 Ignorant question here.

Black box transporters--can they be picked up if underwater? Don't ASW aircraft have stuff that can detect?

Posted by: NCwoof at March 09, 2014 03:36 PM (aUQgu)

155 Ncwoof, it's a big ocean

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 09, 2014 03:37 PM (9gFMq)

156 I mean transponders --- ack

Posted by: NCwoof at March 09, 2014 03:38 PM (aUQgu)

157 Black box transporters--can they be picked up if underwater? Don't ASW aircraft have stuff that can detect?

Posted by: NCwoof at March 09, 2014 07:36 PM (aUQgu)

It took them, what, 2 years to find that one that went down off of South America? Seems a little weird though, just like the entire rest of this deal.

Posted by: Peaches at March 09, 2014 03:39 PM (8lmkt)

158 155 boulder

Oh, I sea

Posted by: NCwoof at March 09, 2014 03:39 PM (aUQgu)

159 Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at March 09, 2014 07:23 PM (PD6iL) You're assuming the plane is always going to break up at altitude or nose-dive into the water at near-sonic speed. If the plane has problems and the pilot ditches in the water, like Sullenburger did in New York, the floating seat cushions could indeed be of value. It was a moot point in the Sullenburger case because there were all sorts of small craft on the river to pick people up off the wings before it sunk, but if something like that happened over the open ocean the seat cushions could save a lot of lives.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at March 09, 2014 03:40 PM (DB1vy)

160 Picture off Twitter of what is supposed to be the door
https://twitter.com/AviationSafety/status/442773692230012928/photo/1

Massive issues on reported time of loss.
https://twitter.com/AviationSafety/status/442639049207996416/photo/1

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 09, 2014 03:41 PM (lnUO4)

161 Before you continue to bash, Girls, just remember it is Ace's favorite show.

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 09, 2014 03:41 PM (r7mtu)

162 I suspect snakes on a motherfucking plane.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 09, 2014 03:43 PM (E+uky)

163 Missile? N. Korea? Near miss recently. Read it here via Drudge:

http://tinyurl.com/o3k2uwd

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 09, 2014 03:43 PM (baL2B)

164 157 Peaches

The aircraft off South Am was in deep deep trenchy water.

I read upthread the S China Sea is only bout 50 meters. And I read the US sent a P3 Orion from Japan.

bad bad business

Posted by: NCwoof at March 09, 2014 03:46 PM (aUQgu)

165 Either one or both the FDR and CVR will ping for 30 days.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 09, 2014 03:47 PM (lnUO4)

166 I read upthread the S China Sea is only bout 50 meters.

yeah, I said that, read it on that link to the aviation blog. not sure if it is true or not but, if it is, this should not be such a fuckin' problem. i do agree, it's probably gonna come down to bad business.

Posted by: Peaches at March 09, 2014 03:48 PM (8lmkt)

167 Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 09, 2014 07:43 PM (baL2B) North Korea is a loooong ways from Vietnam, and any missile they launched would probably have to cross Chinese airspace to reach the area where the plane went missing.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at March 09, 2014 03:50 PM (DB1vy)

168 Of course Air France 447 was caused when two pilots had no idea who was in charge. Controls that worked independently of each other. no communication between the pilots. And a dork who panicked the moment the planes computer told him he had to fly the plane himself. While cruising.

Posted by: deepred at March 09, 2014 03:50 PM (RHYM4)

169 1. Pilots mooslem. Allyoop snackbar. Martyr-pants.
2. Missing/stolen passports from Thailand, on to Amsterdam, which I will conclude will make you feel sort of terroristy in that airport/cattle barricade.
3. Top notch rescue units spot oil slick and door which may or may not be blown up aircraft
4.Plane disappears with, so far, no big pieces or floatation: explosion on board/ missile. Too soon to tell.
5. Not terrorism five minutes after event. I am sure the FBI alerted us to this.
6. Possible u-turn aka no one knows what is going on as based on facts.

But! No terrorism!

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 09, 2014 04:01 PM (baL2B)

170 Could have been terrorism, could have been instruments gone wrong in conditions that the pilot couldn't read properly and they ditched unexpectedly. Could have been they hit something big that took out the cabin in a freak accident. Who knows?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 09, 2014 04:08 PM (zfY+H)

171 Here is an example of a plane breaking up in mid-air as it approached 35,000ft. Some debris was found 45Km from the crash site. The 747 had suffered a tail strike that damaged the aft pressure bulkhead. Repairs were not done according to Boeing specifications and stress cracks propagated.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20020525-0

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 09, 2014 04:11 PM (lnUO4)

172 True Detective Finale tonight!

Posted by: thunderb at March 09, 2014 04:25 PM (zOTsN)

173 I thought they first spotted debris from AF FL447 the day after the crash.

Posted by: Baldy at March 09, 2014 04:25 PM (2bql3)

174 The final sacrifice on True Detective will be Lena Durham -- wrapped in tin foil and baked.

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 09, 2014 04:31 PM (r7mtu)

175 BTW when an aircraft plows into something there you would be surprised how quickly things get buried, even on land When I was in the AF one of the things I had to do was advise an Accident Investigation Board. Pilot passed out due to G forces during an exercise and crashed at high speed. Aircraft pulverized, very little to find, even on land

Posted by: thunderb at March 09, 2014 04:31 PM (zOTsN)

176 My guess it was a bungled hi-jacking attempt. The two terrorists (maybe 4?) managed to get into the cockpit and succeeded in physically disabling one or both the pilot/copilot team. But one of the pilots is still strapped into his seat (maybe even already slain) and falls forward onto the yoke putting the plane into a steep dive. The terrorists, though trained as pilots someplace (as were the 9/11 hi-jackers) had planned to takeover the aircraft and fly it someplace (China?) there to land and make their demands known. But they were unable to regain control as the aircraft continued its dive straight down from 35,000 feet where it crashed into the water.

Posted by: BarneyOffal at March 09, 2014 04:31 PM (ul4Lc)

177 remember that Egypt Air guy that augered into the ocean? Sudden jihadi syndrome If they tried to turn back, maybe they struggled over the aircraft Islamic terrorists got caught planning to attack the KL airport in 2012. This aircraft was out of that airport Plus Thailand is a hot bed of Islamic terrorism now. Wouldn't surprise me No one has claimed responsibility though. If they have, governments in Asia are hushing it up there is no point blowing up a large aircraft packed with people unless you take credit for it or unless there was one particular person on the plane you wanted to kill, and you didn't care who else died with him. That could explain the silence

Posted by: thunderb at March 09, 2014 04:35 PM (zOTsN)

178 Black box transporters--can they be picked up if underwater? Ultrasonic audio marker that operates for maybe around a month or so before the battery power is exhausted.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at March 09, 2014 04:37 PM (AQTz3)

179 Getting a passport stolen in Thailand is about as shocking as getting your wallet stolen in Tijuana I wonder how many Ladyboys are traveling on passports under the name of "Hans Gluck"

Posted by: kbdabear at March 09, 2014 04:54 PM (aTXUx)

180 24 So, contra what would be expected, hiring a Thai tranny hooker means that the terrorists have already won. Next time, buy American. When you have cable, you have to call customer service. When you call customer service you get stressed. When you get stressed, you take a vacation in Thailand, When you take a vacation in Thailand you hire a tranny hooker. When you hire a tranny hooker he steals your passport. When your passport gets stolen it gets sold to a terrorist named Abdul. Don't let your passport get sold to a terrorist named Abdul

Posted by: DirecTV at March 09, 2014 05:10 PM (aTXUx)

181 "I wonder how many Ladyboys are traveling on passports under the name of "Hans Gluck""

I wonder how many Ladyboys are traveling on passports under the name of "Hans Blix?"

FIFY

Posted by: ChrisP at March 09, 2014 05:25 PM (Z6lrM)

182 HBO GO ‏@HBOGO 3m Due to overwhelmingly popular demand for #TrueDetective, we've been made aware of an issue affecting some users. Please try again soon.

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 09, 2014 05:53 PM (r7mtu)

183 It's China, so it's not like it gives a crap about the U.N. It outlaws Islam and gives all Muslims 30 days to get out. Then it treats possession of Islam like Singapore treats possession of drugs.

Posted by: SFGoth at March 09, 2014 06:01 PM (ATwm9)

184 Both pilots have Muslim names. No mayday was radioed.

Just saying it's fishy, that's all. Remember the EgyptAir flight that the pilots suicided? yelling Aloha Snackbar! all the way down? and Egypt tried to cover it up?

Worth looking into.

Posted by: Beverly at March 10, 2014 12:30 AM (T6vWQ)

185 911 started in Kuala Lampur and ended in Frankfurt. While Copenhagen is another favorite destination for the ROP -- love that Scandi welfare! Amsterdam is a smuggling hub. With stolen passports, I think it was a cartel.

Posted by: Tattoo de Plane at March 10, 2014 04:24 AM (Y92Nd)

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