April 03, 2014
— Ace I'm just getting to this. I had no idea these hearings were so explosive.
That's because I read the American Media.
I just got an email from CBS calling Benghazi a "local crime story." Also, any allegations of a White House cover-up campaign to deceive the public on Benghazi is also a "local crime story."*
This Bret Baier panel begins with a clip of Michelle Bachman telling Morrell that he himself made most of the changes in the Talking Points "for" the White House.
Steven Hayes notes that Morell had previously denied "coordinating" with the White House on the talking points -- stating that he had just provided the talking points to the White House for purposes of "awareness" -- but not testifies he delivered them for "final coordination" with the White House.
This Fox report (of course it's Fox; who else would report?) has video of Morell's testimony.
[H]e did confirm that he overruled guidance from the CIA chief of station in Libya that the attacks were "not/not an escalation of protests."Morell, explaining his decision, effectively challenged the evidence his chief of station brought to the table in his message, sent via email a few days after the attack. He said the claim that there was no protest was based only on "press reports" and reports from officers who arrived in Benghazi after the attack had already started.
He said that basis was not "compelling" enough.
Still, Morell explained that when he received the email from the CIA chief of station, he recognized the "discrepancy" between what he was saying and what other analysts were saying. He said he quickly had his analysts "revisit their judgment" that a protest was underway -- but "based on a totality of the information available to them, they stuck with their initial conclusions."
The testimony was met with skepticism in some corners. One source who was on the ground in Benghazi that night questioned the claims.
"Why would he ever believe that people who weren't there hold credence [over] those of us that were...and even his own respected Chief of Station?" the source said. "It [makes] no sense."
Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Mich., repeatedly pressed Morell on the flawed talked points and accused the administration of using them for political purposes.
Morell also answered questions about Beacon Globan Strategies.
The former CIA boss also fielded questions about Beacon Global Strategies, the firm he later went to work for, and Washington's revolving door. The company is led by people close to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as the former staff director for the intelligence committee.Morell said his first discussions with the company about working for them began in November, four months after he left his job.
Another Fox report (of course) notes this:
According to a source with first-hand knowledge of events, during a secure video conference call two days after the Sept. 11, 2012 attack, Morell told the team in Libya that there was intelligence a demonstration preceded the assault. Fox News is told that based on communications with CIA headquarters, the chief of station understood as early as Sept. 13, 2012, that the burden was on him to prove that there was no protest.
The burden of proof was on the station chief to prove that Morell's "protest" story was false.
Morell, meanwhile, is also appearing for public testimony after facing accusations by Republicans of misleading lawmakers over his role in the talking points. He initially claimed the talking points, before Rice's interview appearances, were provided to White House officials for awareness and not for their input. Emails later released show administration involvement began at the earliest stages, and Morell personally cut 50 percent of the text.
Emphasis added.
Morell also claimed to not have seen Ambassador Rice's false claim that a YouTube video spurred the attacks, and did not even read about them until days after the appearance.
REP. JEFF MILLER, R-FL: What was your reaction when you saw her explanation about what happened?MORELL: I did not see her on the Sunday shows, as I said --
MILLER: You have never seen -- you have never seen --
MORELL: I did not see her on the Sunday shows, as I said. And it was probably days later that I read what she said on the shows.
MILLER: And what was your reaction when you finally did?
MORELL: My reaction was two-fold. One was that what she said about the attacks evolving spontaneously from a protest was exactly what the talking points said, and it was exactly what the intelligence community analysts believed. When she talked about the video, my reaction was, that's not something that the analysts had attributed this attack to.
Uh-huh.
Krauthammer and others note that when Clapper was asked who changed the talking points, Morell was sitting right next to him. When Clapper claimed that he didn't know who changed them, Morell remained silent. He characterizes this as a deliberate effort to mislead Congress -- or permit them to be misled.
I'm sure CBSNews' new correspondent Michael Morell will have all sorts of input into this story.
* In case this isn't clear: Any statement that "I just got an email from [Important Newsmaker X]" is a joke. I have used this set-up a lot.
If, one day, an Important Newsmaker really does email me (doubtful), I will say something like "No, I'm serious this time, I actually got an email."
All other claims of getting emails and phone calls from VIPs and major corporations are jokes.
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Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 09:26 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 03, 2014 09:27 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 03, 2014 09:27 AM (bdnIz)
You know one would think there is enough information at this point to put the screws to everyone and find out WHO ordered the "non stand down "
stand down order.
we can only guess as Obama was said to be getting his beauty rest so He could go party the next day in Las Vegs with the stars!
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 09:28 AM (nqBYe)
Oh yes, Victor Cachet thought Shakespeare had said "first kill the bureaucrats."
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 09:28 AM (1cFNy)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 03, 2014 09:29 AM (8ZskC)
Coming up next: our hard hitting investigation into Republican plants at Citi field riling up the fans against Mayor De Blassio and how it relates to the Koch Brothers and the Citizens United decision.
Posted by: mallfly at April 03, 2014 09:29 AM (bJm7W)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 03, 2014 09:29 AM (+lsX1)
and who was supposed to have Met or met with Stevens that night and why
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 09:29 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: mallfly at April 03, 2014 09:30 AM (bJm7W)
Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 03, 2014 09:30 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 03, 2014 01:29 PM (8ZskC)
I think neither. That decision's got the Iranian Rat's stink all over it.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 09:31 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 03, 2014 01:29 PM (8ZskC)
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If I were to guess..... it was that googly eyed, bespectacled, long haired ginger dufus that State has for a spokesperson.
Her name escapes me at the moment....
Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 09:31 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at April 03, 2014 09:31 AM (9Bdcz)
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at April 03, 2014 09:31 AM (NSh5j)
and i still remember all those hollywood stars thinking He should be killed for Hurting Obama by doing a video.
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 09:31 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 03, 2014 09:31 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 09:32 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 09:32 AM (IXrOn)
They consciously decided to not even try a rescue missing because a failure would be bad optics.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 09:32 AM (1cFNy)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2014 09:32 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: maddogg at April 03, 2014 09:32 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 03, 2014 09:32 AM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 03, 2014 09:32 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 09:33 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 09:33 AM (gh7eZ)
Posted by: IrishEd at April 03, 2014 09:33 AM (D0NZx)
Posted by: The MSM, Vigilant Watchdogs of Democracy at April 03, 2014 09:33 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 03, 2014 01:32 PM (mf5HN)
One credit card receipt for a Swedish penis enlarger...
HEY, THAT'S NOT MINE BABY!
Posted by: EC at April 03, 2014 09:33 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: no good deed at April 03, 2014 09:33 AM (ILBCY)
Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 09:33 AM (zOTsN)
I believe that was ace just pulling our leg, whippersnapper. No worries.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 09:34 AM (4df7R)
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No .... shes the stoopid old fat Brunette.
The one Im thinking of is younger hipster douche-ish chick.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 09:34 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: The MSM, Vigilant Watchdogs of Democracy at April 03, 2014 09:34 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 03, 2014 09:34 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 03, 2014 09:34 AM (NLifn)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2014 09:35 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 09:35 AM (IXrOn)
I'm so pissed. Our ambassador was murdered and its 'local news'? WTF!?
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Protection of the dynasty is far more important than people's lives. That is why we need to keep track of the body count from all of the non-stories.
So far, the body count, including Mexican citizens, is 335.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 03, 2014 09:35 AM (0Jb7F)
Posted by: no good deed at April 03, 2014 09:36 AM (ILBCY)
Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 09:37 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: CBS News, Where Murrow Worked and Stuff at April 03, 2014 09:37 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: ejo at April 03, 2014 09:37 AM (GXvSO)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2014 09:37 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 03, 2014 09:38 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 09:38 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 09:38 AM (1cFNy)
Posted by: no good deed at April 03, 2014 01:33 PM (ILBCY)
Right?
I mean, can you imagine the gall?
MORELL: We have it on good authority that a protest preceded the attack.
STATION CHIEF: I'm sorry, sir, but that simply isn't the case.
MORELL: We have it on good authority, chief.
SC: Whose authority, if I may ask?
MORELL: Our men on the ground in Libya.
SC: ...That would be me, sir. Me and my people.
MORELL: Yes.
SC: ...And you're saying that we told you there was a protest before the attack.
MORELL: That's correct.
SC: Even though there wasn't.
MORELL: There was. I have it on good authority-
SC: Yes, sir, I get it.
MORELL: Good.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 09:38 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 09:39 AM (IXrOn)
What on earth do they gain by it? Why not just say "ah, it was confusing at first, we had a lot of conflicting information and rumors, so people were guessing and conjecture got out there more strongly than it should have. What we now know is..."
But sticking with the stupid protest over a video line? Idiotic.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 03, 2014 09:39 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: JEM at April 03, 2014 09:39 AM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Zombie Qaddafi at April 03, 2014 09:39 AM (gOoFi)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 09:40 AM (1cFNy)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 03, 2014 09:40 AM (BHdAm)
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The other one ..... Marie Harf....
Tho I dont think highly of Paski either....
Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 09:40 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: no good deed at April 03, 2014 09:40 AM (ILBCY)
Posted by: ace at April 03, 2014 09:40 AM (/FnUH)
Posted by: CBS News, Where Murrow Worked and Stuff at April 03, 2014 09:40 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 03, 2014 09:41 AM (DXfAK)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2014 09:41 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 09:41 AM (zOTsN)
USA Today: Blood moon eclipse on April 15 is a special event
A total lunar eclipse. The first of four in a row, one every six months--a tetrad of blood moons. (Use "tetrad" because it makes you sound entelligent.) [rdbrewer]
LOL! Not sure if that was deliberate.
Posted by: EC at April 03, 2014 09:42 AM (GQ8sn)
Because remember who was out there from day one, trumpeting that this wasn't terrorism, that it was a protest against an anti-Islam YouTube video, and then going in front of the UN and making speeches about how there's no room in the future for people who disrespect Islam?
Yeah. You know who.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 09:43 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 03, 2014 09:43 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 09:43 AM (gh7eZ)
Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 09:43 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 09:43 AM (IXrOn)
Beside Petraeus being found sticking his pistol where it did not belong, has anyone suffered any consequences over Benghazi?
Why am I reminded of, "Lord if I can find ten honest men will you spare Sodom?"
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 09:43 AM (1cFNy)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 09:44 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 03, 2014 09:44 AM (NrADn)
Ego
Morrell knows what they said wasnt by accident
it wasnt due to error
ego prevents him from telling the lie that it was "the fog of war"
And remember, the election was only weeks away. Spin, spin, spin.
Posted by: Infidel at April 03, 2014 09:44 AM (cojT9)
Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 09:45 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: ejo at April 03, 2014 09:45 AM (GXvSO)
Posted by: no good deed at April 03, 2014 09:45 AM (ILBCY)
Posted by: Proggy, the Liberal Screeching Parrot at April 03, 2014 09:45 AM (LP0Fj)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 03, 2014 09:46 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2014 09:46 AM (HVff2)
Sure, back then, but why NOW? Why stick to that line now?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 03, 2014 09:46 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 03, 2014 09:47 AM (Fg9f5)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 09:47 AM (t3UFN)
OK ... show of hands. Who thinks Repubs will not pursue today's testimony, except to get a couple more photo-ops, in an attempt to make a 2014 campaign issue that they will promptly fuck up ?
Raises hand.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 03, 2014 09:47 AM (NLifn)
Posted by: Hrothgar at April 03, 2014 01:44 PM (NrADn)[/i]
When we're in the camps, all the Horde members have to get a blue-footed boobie embroidered on their camp uniform. That way we can find each other. *nod*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 09:47 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: ejo at April 03, 2014 09:47 AM (GXvSO)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 09:48 AM (t3UFN)
Putin and other bad actors are acting up because they no longer fear the US will do anything.
And its 100 years after WWI.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 09:48 AM (1cFNy)
Posted by: Infidel at April 03, 2014 09:48 AM (cojT9)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2014 09:48 AM (HVff2)
The other person responsible was our illustrious SoS. She ignored pleas to beef up security for the sake of apperances. She denied the requests. When our countrymen were murdered, she lied through her teeth to cover her fat ass.
Nobody tell the media.
Posted by: Marcus T, JDAM Connoisseur at April 03, 2014 09:49 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein's Lesbian Niece at April 03, 2014 09:49 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 09:49 AM (gh7eZ)
Raises hand.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 03, 2014 01:47 PM (NLifn)
*raises hand, too*
This shouldn't even BE a political issue. They should be out there, hammering their fists against podiums and writing editorials and putting out political ads about why this is more important than politics, dammit, and people need to be held accountable for what happened over there and the joke of a followup investigation.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 09:49 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 03, 2014 09:49 AM (APuJ7)
I watched the first two hours of the hearing yesterday, but did not hear anyone ask that question. Was it ever asked?
Posted by: Travis McGee at April 03, 2014 09:50 AM (xtby2)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2014 09:50 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 03, 2014 09:50 AM (NLifn)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 03, 2014 09:50 AM (BHdAm)
Posted by: Hillary's 2016 Chances at April 03, 2014 09:50 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 03, 2014 01:48 PM (HVff2)
Hmm... Well, okay. Points if the two middle strokes of the M look like a pair of crossbones, to pay homage to the logo.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 09:51 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Kreplach at April 03, 2014 09:51 AM (/g5vp)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 03, 2014 09:51 AM (GDulk)
Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 09:51 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 03, 2014 09:52 AM (n+8FE)
Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 09:52 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Concealed carrie at April 03, 2014 09:52 AM (FkVhR)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 09:53 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Harry Reid at April 03, 2014 09:53 AM (KbrNh)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 03, 2014 09:54 AM (gOoFi)
Posted by: RioBravo at April 03, 2014 09:54 AM (8Ks4F)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 09:54 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 09:54 AM (1cFNy)
Posted by: Concealed carrie at April 03, 2014 09:54 AM (FkVhR)
Posted by: JEM at April 03, 2014 09:55 AM (o+SC1)
Blood moon eclipse on April 15 is a special event
A
total lunar eclipse. The first of four in a row, one every six
months--a tetrad of blood moons
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Interesting side note: Having four blood moons consecutively rarely happens. It happened in 1492, 1948, and 1967. All important years.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 03, 2014 09:55 AM (0Jb7F)
Posted by: ejo at April 03, 2014 09:55 AM (GXvSO)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 03, 2014 09:55 AM (gOoFi)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at April 03, 2014 09:56 AM (KbrNh)
Which leads me to three questions:
1. How can BACON finally be utilized to bring permanent world peace?
2. What would BACON's strategy be, if BACON were the Benevolent Overlord of the World, rather than just our stomachs?
3. Holy Mother of BACON, what's for LUNCH!?!?!
Posted by: Sharkman at April 03, 2014 09:56 AM (TM1p8)
Blood moon eclipse on April 15 is a special event
A
total lunar eclipse. The first of four in a row, one every six
months--a tetrad of blood moons
Isn't that when all the witches come out and eat children or something?
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2014 09:56 AM (DrWcr)
http://tinyurl.com/kzvvt4n
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 09:56 AM (1cFNy)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 03, 2014 09:56 AM (APuJ7)
But now the shit is really happening and it is being done by the left, it's what should be happening - for the good of the country. The same people who were portrayed condemning this shit are the very ones now who encourage everyone to look the other way while their good is being safeguarded by their betters.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 09:57 AM (BZAd3)
Yeah. You know who.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) at April 03, 2014 01:43 PM (4df7R)
AND they were trying to use that video against speech rights here in the states.
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 09:57 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: @koenigjojo at April 03, 2014 09:57 AM (2wawf)
FWIW, I've met Mary Cloggenstein. That bitch has the finest set of lungs north of the Mason-Dixon. Been to two World's Fairs and a hog breeding, but ain't never seen any shit like that before.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 03, 2014 09:58 AM (NLifn)
Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 09:58 AM (7ObY1)
you know how it is, If you loved America and saw it as a beacon of hope and a place to protect well you gotta go!
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 09:59 AM (nqBYe)
That seems likely, and if it was some covert operation that got interrupted by berserk jihadis, then they should be saying "Look we had an op in progress and things went really bad and we can't talk about a lot of this."
The way they are handling this is so unprofessional, childish, and arrogant. Which I guess is all they know, really. Its not a strategy, its just how they approach everything.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 03, 2014 09:59 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 03, 2014 01:58 PM (NLifn)
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Warden????? Can I get a new cell mate???
Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 10:00 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at April 03, 2014 10:00 AM (NSh5j)
Posted by: RioBravo at April 03, 2014 10:00 AM (8Ks4F)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 10:00 AM (gh7eZ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 10:01 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 10:01 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 03, 2014 10:02 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 10:02 AM (fZQEE)
Posted by: pookysgirl at April 03, 2014 10:02 AM (kMnHs)
Posted by: RWC at April 03, 2014 10:02 AM (fWAjv)
All they think about is "How does this make me look?" The nuts and bolts of right or wrong or acting like an adult. That never enters their mental calculations. Its always Me and My Ego must be protected.
Look at what Bill and Hillary did to the White House folks running the travel office. They did not understand things so manufactured allegations of malfeasance to fire innocent people and put their cronies in. Because that was how they did things.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 10:03 AM (1cFNy)
Don't leave now fixer. Party's just getting started.
Heard talk of a RAPTOR !!! Ain't that some shit.
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 03, 2014 10:03 AM (NLifn)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 10:04 AM (gh7eZ)
Posted by: Pipeholder at April 03, 2014 10:04 AM (VTeUD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 02:01 PM (t3UF
pretty much, I'm sure there are those in positions that still desire to do their actual jobs, but i guess Management disallows commmitment .
which is where i go back to how i feel about Petraeus and Ham and their lovely disappearing act .
and why i have no faith anymore of a realignment.
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 10:04 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 10:04 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 02:01 PM (t3UF
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..... well .... against "foreign" enemies of the regime anyway.
Them teabaggers???? Theyre the REAL threat.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 10:05 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: RioBravo at April 03, 2014 10:06 AM (8Ks4F)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 10:06 AM (gh7eZ)
Posted by: concrete girl at April 03, 2014 10:06 AM (WsqTO)
Posted by: RWC at April 03, 2014 02:02 PM (fWAjv)
fkn amazing, if that isn't enough to freak out the average JOE i don't know what would signal their alarm.
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 10:06 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 10:06 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 01:57 PM (nqBYe)
And the video maker was a political prisoner for over a year. Political prisoner in this country.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 10:06 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 10:07 AM (nqBYe)
Morrell -- I got a bad case of them Perjurin' Blues.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 03, 2014 10:07 AM (wNF3N)
Posted by: RioBravo at April 03, 2014 10:07 AM (8Ks4F)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 03, 2014 10:07 AM (0HooB)
The entire mess did not erupt in one fell swoop. The cauldron started to bubble centuries ago. But Tsarist Russia in the years prior to 1914 had been active in the region to expand influence and failing. Leaving only Serbia as their regional ally. The other European powers were also busy in the area.
So yes parallels are there to be found. Especially in regards to bad leadership by national leaders.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 10:07 AM (1cFNy)
Posted by: Hill Billy at April 03, 2014 10:08 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 10:08 AM (gh7eZ)
why should we assume they won't use anyone to cover their asses and lies?
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 10:08 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at April 03, 2014 02:00 PM (NSh5j)
No worries! You get used to it fast around here. Soon you'll be picking up on snarkiness like you've never dreamed.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 10:08 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 10:08 AM (ZPrif)
In all seriousness - we're in 1930s Germany. I know I sound like a broken record. The similarities, at least to me, are staggering.
We'll have full-on Brown Shirts in the streets by 2016. My guess is a melding of the SEIU, MOVE ON, etc...
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 03, 2014 10:09 AM (NLifn)
Posted by: Hill Billy at April 03, 2014 02:08 PM (wtvvX)
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No. Hillary..... you fucked em to death.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 03, 2014 10:09 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: joeindc44 at April 03, 2014 10:10 AM (+JbYP)
Posted by: Hill Billy at April 03, 2014 02:08 PM (wtvvX)
That'd be a first.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 10:10 AM (4df7R)
Yeah. That's depressing. And yet we will go right back to the polls and vote for these sock cuckers AGAIN.
And we are the smart ones. Right.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 10:10 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 10:10 AM (gh7eZ)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 03, 2014 10:10 AM (GDulk)
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Two things:
1) Proving a negative is not conclusively possible and is generally considered to be a waste of analytical resources.
2) Correlation does not imply causality- LOTS of things preceded the assault: evening prayers in Tripoli, sunset, high tide in the Gulf of Sidra, and the JEF's latest round of golf to mention a few and yet I doubt that any of them caused the assault. That said I also doubt that I could conclusively PROVE that any of them DID NOT cause the assault.
There is a technical term for what Mr. Morell is doing here: it is called "being an lying manipulative, evasive shit weasel".
Posted by: Nighthawk at April 03, 2014 10:11 AM (OtQXp)
But like she did with BJ, she stood by her 'man' to keep hold of the little sliver of power she had.
Power and Ego are her gods.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 10:11 AM (1cFNy)
Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 10:11 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: joeindc44 at April 03, 2014 10:12 AM (+JbYP)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 10:12 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 03, 2014 02:10 PM (GDulk)
I don't know how it is tinfoilish to Know what they did and when.
They did actually do this, They do actually email news people like what's her face MSNBC to gibve them the days talking points.
And they do have a journOlisters group to decide how to report on what and when.
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 10:13 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 10:13 AM (gh7eZ)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 10:13 AM (1cFNy)
So yes parallels are there to be found. Especially in regards to bad leadership by national leaders.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 02:07 PM (1cFNy)
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A co-worker and I were talking about the 100th anniversery of the start of WWI last night. We more or less came to the same conclusion as your comment. Scary times.
History does repeat itself.
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 10:14 AM (fZQEE)
Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 10:14 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 10:15 AM (ZPrif)
I loves me some Honor Harrington.
Posted by: Muad'dib at April 03, 2014 10:15 AM (sjdRT)
You've got to stop doing that, ace. It's not healthy. That's why you're sick all the time.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 10:15 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 03, 2014 10:16 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 10:16 AM (gh7eZ)
Posted by: Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) at April 03, 2014 10:16 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Joseph Goebbels at April 03, 2014 10:16 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 10:17 AM (gh7eZ)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 03, 2014 10:17 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 03, 2014 10:17 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 10:17 AM (gh7eZ)
Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 10:17 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 03, 2014 10:17 AM (GDulk)
Posted by: Liberals at April 03, 2014 10:18 AM (yU1Dt)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 10:18 AM (gh7eZ)
http://www.baenebooks.com/p-2283-cauldron-of-ghosts.aspx
Eric Flint helped write it but it seems Weber has kept him in firmly in line. And I have seen reference to how do you get your story out without access to media. Referring to how the madmen of Mesa control the media on their planet, leaving the Seccies floundering trying to figure out what is the truth.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 10:18 AM (1cFNy)
i'm sure this is by design
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 10:18 AM (nqBYe)
>>> but the speculation was that he was part of the CIA's operation running weapons to the Syrian rebels and/or
WTF really?
Posted by: Leland Yee at April 03, 2014 10:18 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 03, 2014 10:19 AM (V70Uh)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 03, 2014 10:19 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 02:13 PM (gh7eZ)
More than just a little ironic their interest in Alinsky. Hillary did a thesis on him (I think - if memory serves)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 10:19 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 03, 2014 10:19 AM (GDulk)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 03, 2014 02:19 PM (V70Uh)
Except add to their numbers.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 10:19 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 03, 2014 02:19 PM (V70Uh)
And put even more people into poverty by eliminating their jobs.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2014 10:20 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at April 03, 2014 10:20 AM (4df7R)
If the multitude of scandals and hearing can't win a few scalps, I have to conclude that the goal is not to gather scalps.
Posted by: shillelagh at April 03, 2014 10:20 AM (hRzu2)
and here we are.
i really want it not to be true, but as there are so few that stand up in those positions and Call BS on it .
that is all i have.
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 10:20 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 10:20 AM (gh7eZ)
Posted by: joeindc44 at April 03, 2014 10:20 AM (+JbYP)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 03, 2014 10:21 AM (0HooB)
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“It’s a show called The Star Empire Today,” said Ruth. “The moderator is Yael Underwood.”
“He’s the slimeball with the long blond hair and weaselly expression sitting on the far right,” said Anton Zilwicki, who was seated on another couch in between Jacques Benton-Ramirez y Chou and Catherine Montaigne.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 10:21 AM (1cFNy)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) at April 03, 2014 02:20 PM (4df7R)
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Fixed it for you, da??
Posted by: Vladimir Putin at April 03, 2014 10:21 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Joseph Goebbels at April 03, 2014 10:21 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: joeindc44 at April 03, 2014 10:21 AM (+JbYP)
Remember we had Lois Lerner on the ropes?
And remember when we had Geithner on the ropes?
And remember we had tax cheat Claire McCaskill on the ropes?
...
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 02:08 PM (gh7eZ)
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Yes. I remember. Heheheheheh.
Posted by: Eric Holder at April 03, 2014 10:21 AM (fZQEE)
Anna,
How does one get a story out without access to the media. There was a book written about our son, Playing Catch with Destiny, and MLB has does a great job of stifling the story.
Posted by: Ammo Dump at April 03, 2014 10:21 AM (GgPam)
Why the surprise Polli ? Plenty of smart, educated, affluent Germans joined the Nazi Party willingly, eagerly, and without coercion.
To paraphrase Rick James, "Power is one hell of a drug."
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 03, 2014 10:22 AM (NLifn)
Posted by: votermom at April 03, 2014 10:22 AM (GSIDW)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 10:22 AM (gh7eZ)
censure Firefox
Posted by: joeindc44 at April 03, 2014 02:21 PM (+JbYP)
tea party.
and perhaps the amish.
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 10:23 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: joeindc44 at April 03, 2014 10:23 AM (+JbYP)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 10:24 AM (gh7eZ)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 03, 2014 10:24 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - "I am not often outraged, but when I am I get my supply at the Outrage Outlet at April 03, 2014 10:24 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 03, 2014 10:25 AM (gh7eZ)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 03, 2014 10:25 AM (GDulk)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at April 03, 2014 10:26 AM (9Bdcz)
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 10:26 AM (fZQEE)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 10:26 AM (1cFNy)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 03, 2014 10:26 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 03, 2014 02:26 PM (0HooB)
Is that a euphemism?
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2014 10:27 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Jeb Bush at April 03, 2014 10:27 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 03, 2014 10:27 AM (V70Uh)
Posted by: Venezuela at April 03, 2014 10:27 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Joseph Goebbels at April 03, 2014 02:21 PM (aDwsi)
And the death toll is at least 500 and nobody knows! Venezuela is our neighbor and nobody knows. Astonishing.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 10:27 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: joeindc44 at April 03, 2014 10:28 AM (+JbYP)
fcol, now i will cry.
(have no car sooth)
broken in the driveway (transmission)
spouse has other vehicle, so now i want to throw a tantrum at my bad day.
and drink, but i don't have that either.
so. weeps hysterically instead
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 10:29 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: joeindc44 at April 03, 2014 10:29 AM (+JbYP)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 10:29 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 03, 2014 10:29 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: Underprivileged Whitey at April 03, 2014 10:29 AM (Cs2tJ)
Posted by: Mustbequantum at April 03, 2014 10:30 AM (MIKMs)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 03, 2014 10:30 AM (GDulk)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 02:27 PM (BZAd3)
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Venezuela? Local story.
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 10:30 AM (fZQEE)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 03, 2014 02:29 PM (t3UFN)
There is that. Glass half full.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 10:30 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 03, 2014 10:30 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: HR really needs a beer at April 03, 2014 10:31 AM (ZKzrr)
but everyone has to mention yummy food, .
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 10:31 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 02:29 PM (nqBYe)
There, there. There, there, there. There too. And a little over there.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2014 10:31 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Mustbequantum at April 03, 2014 02:30 PM (MIKMs)
You'll than me!
Posted by: Jeb Bush at April 03, 2014 10:31 AM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Jen at April 03, 2014 10:32 AM (IdGqX)
David Ignatius, WaPo blog:
"Perhaps the chief remaining mystery about Benghazi is why Republicans are still harping on it 19 months after the attack — and why they have been so willing to attack career diplomats, military officers and intelligence officials in their jihad against the Obama administration."
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 03, 2014 10:32 AM (JtwS4)
Now they're saying that the newest Ft Hood shooter bought his gun at the the same gun store as Hassan.
We know what's coming next.
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 10:33 AM (fZQEE)
Regarding "Brownshirts in the streets by 2016":
We're kinda already there. When Holder dismissed the New Black Panther case it tacitly normalized the function of violence within an electoral contest. When there was no pushback it became accepted.
Posted by: Bigby's Liquid Pummeller at April 03, 2014 10:33 AM (3ZtZW)
Whorehopper.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 10:33 AM (1cFNy)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 03, 2014 10:33 AM (gOoFi)
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 02:30 PM (fZQEE)
When I was a kid, news about the banana republics was on the news daily. I used to travel frequently to Venezuela and it was a stunning, beautiful country. And not that far away at all.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 10:34 AM (BZAd3)
Sorry.
I figure I should enjoy eating yummy food now while I can, before the Reichsnährstand takes it away.
Posted by: HR really needs a beer at April 03, 2014 10:34 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 10:34 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Stoat of Reprisal at April 03, 2014 10:34 AM (hrgmx)
Whorehopper.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 02:33 PM (1cFNy)
I like the more time-tested word "whoremonger" myself.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2014 10:34 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 10:35 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 10:35 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: blaster at April 03, 2014 10:35 AM (5uFbY)
Even shorter: Lying liars still lying.
Posted by: flounder at April 03, 2014 10:36 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 10:36 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: blaster at April 03, 2014 02:35 PM (5uFbY)
Endless Issa hearings. Goodie.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 10:36 AM (BZAd3)
I keep praying to the Mighty Earthquake of Doom From Which the Noble Bison Flee
No luck so far...
Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 02:35 PM (7ObY1)
Eh. I'm all the way in Florida, so it won't help me anyway.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2014 10:37 AM (DrWcr)
>>>I guess we can hold Hillary accountable after we elect her President.
We have to elect her to see what's uh. um. nevermind.
Posted by: Bigby's Liquid Pummeller at April 03, 2014 10:37 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 02:34 PM (BZAd3)
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And the women are hawt.
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 10:37 AM (fZQEE)
Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 10:38 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Fistin Pug at April 03, 2014 10:38 AM (vFh9Q)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 03, 2014 10:38 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 10:38 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: blaster at April 03, 2014 10:38 AM (5uFbY)
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 03, 2014 10:38 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 02:13 PM (1cFNy)
Oh Thanks!! I got seriously hook on Honor and her treecats.
I've spent so much money buying up all the previous books only to be disappointed at the end . 'Cuz there wasn't an end.
Now you are telling me there is more?
I gotta buy groceries and pay the propane bill ya know!
Posted by: Henry Herringbone at April 03, 2014 10:38 AM (2vH1z)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 03, 2014 10:38 AM (1cFNy)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2014 02:37 PM (DrWcr)
Oh no. It'll get just about everybody. You'll just die more slowly. Agony. Wreathing on the floor gasping for breath. But you'll be dead. So there's still hope.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 10:39 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 10:39 AM (IXrOn)
Sorry.
I figure I should enjoy eating yummy food now while I can, before the Reichsnährstand takes it away.
Posted by: HR really needs a beer at April 03, 2014 02:34 PM (ZKzrr)
good point, still my cupboards are bare of anything good. Hope is a Lie!
so i will now resume hysterics.
Posted by: willow at April 03, 2014 10:39 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Soona at April 03, 2014 10:39 AM (fZQEE)
Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 10:39 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 10:40 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: blaster at April 03, 2014 10:40 AM (5uFbY)
That's just cruel taunting without pics.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 03, 2014 02:38 PM (JtwS4)
We used to say that this was the time when the injuns started coming out. Love them injuns.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 10:40 AM (BZAd3)
So a person or two lied...its human nature. Why dwell on that when Obamacare is such a raging success.
Posted by: Neal Marx, American Newsman at April 03, 2014 10:40 AM (6ahup)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 03, 2014 10:41 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Bud Norton at April 03, 2014 10:42 AM (6cOMd)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2014 10:43 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: HR really needs a beer at April 03, 2014 10:43 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 02:39 PM (BZAd3)
So, glass half-full then.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2014 10:44 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at April 03, 2014 10:44 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Citizen X at April 03, 2014 10:44 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 03, 2014 10:45 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 03, 2014 02:44 PM (DrWcr)
Yeah. Pretty much.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 03, 2014 10:46 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at April 03, 2014 10:46 AM (9Bdcz)
Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 10:51 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: thunderb at April 03, 2014 10:52 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Jen at April 03, 2014 11:05 AM (IdGqX)
The US embassy set up a CIA shop to overthrow him for this, despite the fact that he was starting to play nice, and not support terrorists.
People who were unhappy about this stomped on the US embassy, and President Mom-Jeans was to much of a poltroon to do something about it.
If you are unwilling to use violence, then you need to not try to play The Great Game.
Posted by: Kristophr at April 03, 2014 11:44 AM (c6N69)
Still missing: The "compelling" evidence that a protest had anything to do with it.
Posted by: John T at April 03, 2014 11:47 AM (9tROo)
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