April 11, 2014

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— andy

Happy Friday, everyone.

Jeff Bezos, who wisely laughed Ezra Klein out of the Washington Post, says "umm, hey, we weren't kidding about that Amazon.com drone thing."

And speaking of delivery by air, it looks like the A-10 is only mostly dead.

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1 yo!

Posted by: Buddha at April 11, 2014 03:04 AM (s/sIv)

2 hey fappers

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at April 11, 2014 03:05 AM (XvrTA)

3 Morning again, all.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 11, 2014 03:06 AM (ojnk6)

4 hi

Posted by: mindful webworker somnambulating at April 11, 2014 03:06 AM (Vs6FA)

5 If we can build a drone that get safely from A to B why can't we ride in it?

Posted by: Igotnothing at April 11, 2014 03:06 AM (PZcOv)

6 Helloooo out thereee in de fooog!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 11, 2014 03:06 AM (Fp7JI)

7 Good morning pixel people, and now someone release the Vic!

Posted by: Gmac at April 11, 2014 03:07 AM (4pjhs)

8 Off to the house to grab an hour or two of shuteye and then my weekend commences! Yay for weird work hours!

Posted by: Gmac at April 11, 2014 03:08 AM (4pjhs)

9 If they want to keep the A-10, they will have to re-open the tooling lines and get the equipment out of AMARC. The airframes are too old, much like the F-15 C and D models. Wing root fractures are common.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at April 11, 2014 03:09 AM (v6cwT)

10 Gmac, any chance you live in GA?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 11, 2014 03:09 AM (ojnk6)

11 None, Rocket City USA. 

Posted by: Gmac at April 11, 2014 03:11 AM (4pjhs)

12 7 Good morning pixel people, and now someone release the Vic!

Posted by: Gmac at April 11, 2014 07:07 AM (4pjhs)



Vic is here but not here.  No news today due to rocking chair.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 03:11 AM (T2V/1)

13 Gonna try to make time today to read up on the Nevada Ranch standoff. It sounds like there may be more to it than I was originally told - rancher won't pay gov't to let cattle graze on public land - (imagine that). Sounds like there's a lot of history to this. Lots of people & guns pouring in on both sides. If anybody has anything they want to share, I'm all eyes. And I'll do the same.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at April 11, 2014 03:11 AM (XvrTA)

14 One state to the west.

Posted by: Gmac at April 11, 2014 03:12 AM (4pjhs)

15 12 Thanks. Got an old HS friend that goes by your handle in RL, thought I'd check.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 11, 2014 03:12 AM (ojnk6)

16 DAY 521 942 to go (1,016 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, McConnell's, McAuliffe's, Maduro's, MIRV's, Mexifornians, menacing Mozillan 'mo's, Mugwumps, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, microagressors, minions, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2014 03:13 AM (CMkNk)

17 Take it easy Vic, enjoy the day!

Posted by: Gmac at April 11, 2014 03:13 AM (4pjhs)

18 No time for love, Dr. Jones. Busy, busy, busy with work. But time to change Kathleen Sebelius' name to Kathleen Superfluous. Vayr ge hargit, you meeskeit.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2014 03:14 AM (CMkNk)

19 I've been running unde this handle since ... oh ... 92 or 93 when USENET wasn't a sewer.

Posted by: Gmac at April 11, 2014 03:14 AM (4pjhs)

20 Brilliant openers folks. We are the intelligentsia elite! 2nd night with the furnace off. We've nursed the 20 year old rattletrap along, and it has problems, but the last couple of days there, it sounded like it was dying. The AC half did at the end of the summer before last (NB: this is Oklahoma). So, big chunks change gonna be needed. Twenty years ago. when we put the unit in this old barn, I could afford it. Now.... I don't know. At least, for now, it's Spring! Yay!

Posted by: mindful webworker somnambulating at April 11, 2014 03:14 AM (p74mI)

21

14: "Gonna try to make time today to read up on the Nevada Ranch standoff."

 

From what I have read, this is another case where neither side has clean hands.

 

The rancher is doing some stupid shit, and being intentionally provocative.

 

The Feds though are, of course, getting their thug on as is now typical. 

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at April 11, 2014 03:14 AM (OJn3e)

22 20 The guy I know grew up in IL, went military for a career, then landed down here in GA.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 11, 2014 03:15 AM (ojnk6)

23 Not me, never was in the service but always around on the fringes doing support. Lived in Doraville in the early 90's.

Posted by: Gmac at April 11, 2014 03:18 AM (4pjhs)

24 What dumbass would go into business with the govt., whereyou have to maintain a lease and make reports to various agencies. Cowboy dumb.

Posted by: redenzo at April 11, 2014 03:19 AM (WCnJW)

25 What dumbass would go into business with the govt., whereyou have to maintain a lease and make reports to various agencies. Cowboy dumb. Posted by: redenzo at April 11, 2014 07:19 AM (WCnJW) You sure he had a choice, if he needed to support his family?

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at April 11, 2014 03:21 AM (XvrTA)

26 Levin started off his shoe by destroying the JEF's cartoonish view of Saint LBJ and how he blocked civil rights legislation under Eisenhower along with ManBearPig's bigoted pile of shit father, Slick's mentor, Saint Sam Ervin of Watergate fame and nearly every fucking other donk.  He also pointed that Ed Meese endured far worse than the chinless shitstain whining to Resist We Much's clowncar convention ever went through.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 11, 2014 03:21 AM (cgf4R)

27 Am fan of A10

Posted by: Igotnothing at April 11, 2014 03:21 AM (PZcOv)

28

Vic is here but not here. No news today due to rocking chair.

Suddenly, my coffee is not as satisfying.  :/

However, in the spirit of AoS, I will offer this news item:

LAB GROWN VAGINAS NOW AVAILABLE!

http://tinyurl.com/mezn2tg  (SFW)

I look forward to the eventual email spam. Lab grown vaginas based on famous living women. I'll probably buy a couple Hillary's. Good chew toys for the dogs.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 11, 2014 03:22 AM (0IhFx)

29 25 Gov. own like 80% of the land in NV. If you're a Rancher, must be kinda hard not to interact with them.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 11, 2014 03:23 AM (ojnk6)

30 Rancher stopped paying rent a decade back? How else do you evict?

Posted by: Igotnothing at April 11, 2014 03:23 AM (PZcOv)

31 Ok, I knew Weigel was a stone cold idiot, but I always thought Klein to be of average intelligence with some savvy about how to self-promote to the lefty crowd... ...but damn that Vox piece about Obamacare winning so Sebelius can retire on a good note?? Who dresses that kid in the morning?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 11, 2014 03:24 AM (HLprW)

32 31 Ask the Kelo family that question.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 11, 2014 03:25 AM (ojnk6)

Posted by: Trayvon Martin at April 11, 2014 03:26 AM (2+bRt)

34 It seems to me that all those other ranchers from the area wouldn't be sticking their necks out for a wingnut who simply doesn't want to pay his bills.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at April 11, 2014 03:28 AM (XvrTA)

35 From what I have read, this is another case whereneither side has clean hands.

The rancher is doing some stupid shit, and being intentionally provocative.

The Feds though are, of course, getting their thug on as is now typical.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at April 11, 2014 07:14 AM (OJn3e)

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This is my understanding as well.

 

Posted by: Darth Randall at April 11, 2014 03:29 AM (KlVdw)

36 Just read up on that NV story.  The rancher maintains that the land is State land and not federal land.  It is asserted that the feds just came in and grabbed the land from the State based on a stupid turtle. The rancher says he will pay the State but not the feds and that the actual land has been his since 1870,



Knowing the shitty gov we have now I would tend to believe the rancher. 

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 03:29 AM (T2V/1)

37 27 Levin started off his shoe by destroying the JEF's cartoonish view of Saint LBJ and how he blocked civil rights legislation under Eisenhower along with ManBearPig's bigoted pile of shit father, Slick's mentor, Saint Sam Ervin of Watergate fame and nearly every fucking other donk. He also pointed that Ed Meese endured far worse than the chinless shitstain whining to Resist We Much's clowncar convention ever went through. Posted by: Captain Hate at April 11, 2014 07:21 AM (cgf4R) Hate: Will have to listen to that later, but your description is just so juicy!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 11, 2014 03:31 AM (CMkNk)

38 from what I've been reading the land has been in the ranchers family way before the government took over. They came in, took the land, and then told the rancher he had to pay fees for grazing. The rancher basically said no and they've been fighting for years over this. The information is not all out there yet, but it seems that they took the land to protect a stupid turtle. I for one am glad someone is finally standing up for their rights, but of course he'll be called a nutter, and once again this won't be the hill to die on.

Posted by: spypeach at April 11, 2014 03:31 AM (10H0T)

39 Just saw a tweet that the real reason for the ranch thing is access to natural gas ... head hurts too much this morning to vetify...

Posted by: votermom at April 11, 2014 03:33 AM (GSIDW)

40 "What dumbass would go into business with the govt., whereyou have to maintain a lease and make reports to various agencies. Cowboy dumb." —redenzo Lived out West much? Knew a rancher* in NM with 50,000 acres out in the middle of the Pecos Wilderness. You want to run cattle on their land, you deal with the Gummint. The relationship has been, not "friendly," but a necessary mutual tolerance. But this Nevada guy, yeah, seems to have some additional problems. *Ol' Cliff was a character. Met him at O'Hare the day the USSR fell. As we watched it on the airport monitors, he recalled. "I remember their last revolution." Took a second to realize he was talking about 1917!

Posted by: mindful webworker, now with caffeine! at April 11, 2014 03:33 AM (u57y4)

41 Knowing the shitty gov we have now I would tend to believe the rancher.

Posted by: Vic at April 11, 2014 07:29 AM (T2V/1)



Exactly; who in their right mind would believe the trash we have in the federal government?  How many lies will it take to prove that?

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 11, 2014 03:33 AM (cgf4R)

42 I read in the comments on another board (no citation or substantiation) that Harry Reid is one of the parties that has an interest in the federal land grab. Take it for what's it worth.

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at April 11, 2014 03:33 AM (XvrTA)

43 Knowing the shitty gov we have now I would tend to believe the rancher. Posted by: Vic at April 11, 2014 07:29 AM (T2V/1) Yes!

Posted by: Velvet Ambition, the guy that will push that button at April 11, 2014 03:34 AM (R8hU8)

44

Lived in Doraville in the early 90's.

"Touch of country in the city..."

Morning all.

 

Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at April 11, 2014 03:36 AM (X3xYu)

45 I just linked this week's podcast in the sidebar. The guest is Dana Perino, and it's probably the best episode to date.

Posted by: Andy at April 11, 2014 03:37 AM (vGQV1)

46 5 If we can build a drone that get safely from A to B why can't we ride in it? Posted by: Igotnothing at April 11, 2014 07:06 AM (PZcOv) Size, weight, power. The more the carry the more power you need, the bigger battery you need the heavier it gets the bigger battery you need...

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at April 11, 2014 03:38 AM (FA3Z7)

47 GofH, go to Dana Loesch's site for a good explanation of the Bundy Ranch issue. Spoiler: the Dirty Pederast is involved.

Posted by: dogfish at April 11, 2014 03:39 AM (nsOJa)

48 Dana Perino? Nice get, guys.

Posted by: garrett at April 11, 2014 03:41 AM (9xq6/)

49 The nevada ranch saga is tragic in that we see what the full power of the federal can do to destroy when it wants to destory and sieze what it wants when it wants it. That ranchers family has been working that land since the 1870 long before there was a blm. Grazing rights were handled by a commission and no fees were charged because ranching was seen as a productive use of the land generating jobs and taxes. Fast forward to 1993 the blm took control of the land in dispute, wheather they eminent domained the land form the farmers I don't know but took control they did. Using the endagered species act as cover they sought to protect the desert tortoise. They slapped grazing fees on every head of cattle and severly limited the number of cattle that could graze forcing most ranches in the area into insolvency. Bundy is the last holdout. The feds want that land, the feds will get that land one way or other.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 11, 2014 03:42 AM (E0PaU)

50 45 Morning BIB.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 11, 2014 03:45 AM (ojnk6)

51 If the story turns out to be accurate I'd be pretty damn pissed if I was the rancher too. Imagine your family's been living in a house for several generations, and one day someone finds out there's a special worm that lives in the backyard. Gov comes and says sorry we have to take this house and property because of super special worm, but hey you can still live here, but we're gonna need you to pay rent. I think I'd pretty much tell them to go fuck themselves as well. Maybe not an exact analogy, but shit like this can happen and probably already has. Also, it appears that the rancher has tried to go through the court system, but shockingly they have always sided with the government.

Posted by: spypeach at April 11, 2014 03:45 AM (10H0T)

52

@37  Knowing the shitty gov we have now I would tend to believe the rancher.-Vic

 

I don't know anything about the rancher but I know the government.  Bunch of jack boot commies.

Posted by: Case at April 11, 2014 03:46 AM (9mWut)

53 We are going to be very, very sorry we killed off the Warthog and/or further improvements on the concept. And by "we" I mean every single military grunt stuck in a hole in some godforsaken place taking incoming and casuslties. Different situations require different options. There's a lot of potential flag-draped coffins shoved inbetween the capabilities of an Apache, a B-52, fast movers, drones, and artillery support.

Posted by: Jaws at April 11, 2014 03:47 AM (eKZp1)

54

GofH, go to Dana Loesch's site for a good explanation of the Bundy Ranch issue. Spoiler: the Dirty Pederast is involved.

 

Which is why I say that, members of the Horde excepted, if a nuke went off in DC today, I wouldn't shed a single damned tear.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 11, 2014 03:49 AM (zF6Iw)

55 Are those the same tortoises that had to be relocated because they were inconvenient victims to the green energy grifters to whom the feds shovel large amounts of taxpayer money for their Rube Goldberg schemes?

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 11, 2014 03:50 AM (cgf4R)

56 50 -

Yes they will.

People  rightfully ridicule spineless politicians with the line "not the hill to die on."  Well, some hills are  not worth literally dying on.

Fight back?  Sure.  But when the guns come out, people are going to die. 

Is it worth it?  I can't answer that question for anyone, but I cannot imagine dying for a piece of land, or having to pay a tax, or fine or fee, or putting members of my family at risk of dying over a fine or fee or tax. 

Posted by: BurtTC at April 11, 2014 03:52 AM (BeSEI)

57 How did Perino come off on the podcast?  She's very easy on the eyes when I've seen her on FNS but everything that comes out of her cute mouth sounds as dumb as a fucking plank imo.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 11, 2014 03:54 AM (cgf4R)

58 Oh look...there are tiny people inside my magic lap box. *waves*

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 11, 2014 03:55 AM (AGPMH)

59 Vic's got nothin? Whattabout you, Drudge? Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) said today that Americans need to stand up to "a deliberate plan by the president of the United States" to collapse the nation's law enforcement system regarding illegal immigration. gusher of illegal immigration from Central America Denver public schools recruiting illegals to teach Occupy protester's trial can't find impartial jurors... hahaha Top NYC restaurant GOOGLES every guest for personal information woman 'throws a shoe at her' [Hillary] during speech at Las Vegas casino Hillary Cancels Friday Speech Where Benghazi Victim's Mom, Protestors Await 40-50 House Conservatives Plot To Dethrone Speaker TSA bars mute stroke victim from LAX flight; Woman forced to take 8-hour bus ride Jar of French mountain air sold in China -- for $860! China cracks down on churches; Christianity's growth 'excessive' Oh, you wanted links? Sorry. I ain't Vic. :/

Posted by: mindful webworker, in search of... at April 11, 2014 03:55 AM (1s+pS)

60 *cough* tea tax *cough*

Posted by: dogfish at April 11, 2014 03:55 AM (nsOJa)

61 I graduated West Point when Reagan was President. The word then was that they were going to kill the A10. Budget games. You always say that any cuts will kill iconic things that people love. Cutting the school budget kills sports, not the landscaping at the district office. I suspect that the Warthog will be here long after I am gone.

Posted by: blaster at April 11, 2014 03:57 AM (4+AaH)

62 When the Feds take "custodial" possession of a property things rapidly go to shit. My local example is not confrontational, just stupid. The Atwater prairie chicken refuge is not far away. They hatch and pen raise them, put a collar on them and turn them loose to keep a minimum population in place. The coyotes catch them, we collect the collar and put it on another dirt-dumb chicken for the coyotes to eat. This operation is supported by a seven figure budget extracted from tax payers.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 11, 2014 03:57 AM (Py3Xj)

63 Oh look...there are tiny people inside my magic lap box. There are full size people in mine!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at April 11, 2014 03:58 AM (mx5oN)

64
Good news, everyone!:

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It’s a flu virus so deadly that scientists once halted research on the disease because governments feared it might be used by terrorists to stage a biological attack. Yet despite the fact that the H5N1 avian influenza has killed 60% of the 650 humans known to be infected since it was identified in Hong Kong 17 years ago, the “bird flu” virus has yet to evolve a means of spreading easily among people.

Now Dutch researchers have found that the virus needs only five favorable gene mutations to become transmissible through coughing or sneezing, like regular flu viruses.

http://tinyurl.com/nxdu2ss



Captain Trips.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 11, 2014 03:58 AM (kdS6q)

65 Drudgetaposition yesterday, I wish I had screen capped, he had pix of Hillary and AG Steadman and some other people and a link to a story about scientists growing artificial vaginas....

Posted by: blaster at April 11, 2014 03:58 AM (4+AaH)

66 Desert tortoise soup for breakfast? Why not. Mornin' all.

Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 03:59 AM (T/Df8)

67 No one touches my A-10!

Those sissies in the 5 sided nuthouse need to grow a pair!

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 03:59 AM (x3YFz)

68 The NV rancher story has some twists, but here is what I have gleaned from various sources: The land in question was part of Bunkerville, NV until the fed.gov 'deemed' the land federal because of the desert tortoise. The Endangered Species Act was used to justify the Kelo -style land grab. The rancher's family had bought the water and grazing rights to the land back in the 1880s and those rights were passed down. BLM, however, says the rules have changed and those water and grazing rights no longer belong to them. The corrupt court system agrees with the fed.gov. The fees paid previously were not grazing fees but improvement funds. The fed.gov received the fees and passed them on to Bunkerville until the soup bowl with legs was determined to be 'endangered'. The land improvement fees were then funneled to environmental groups and not used for land improvements any more. This broke a long standing (since the 1930s) agreement. The rancher stopped paying the fees due to this, and offered to pay the state (who actually owned the land in the first place until the great 'deeming'). Oh, and the Searchlight Pederast (known real estate fraud artist) is up to his nasty eyeballs in this. So I support the rancher 100%.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at April 11, 2014 03:59 AM (ial2b)

69 Heartbleed Bug New piece at the WSJ: Heartbleed Bug Found in Cisco Routers, Juniper Gear Encryption Bug Affects Equipment That Connects to the Web It specifically says the following were effected: Many websites—including those run by Yahoo Inc., YHOO -4.22% Amazon.com Inc. and Netflix Inc.—quickly fixed the hole after it was disclosed Monday. But Cisco and Juniper said the security flaw affects routers, switches and firewalls often used by businesses. So you can change those pw's. The previous WSJ piece said this: Check site security before changing your password It’s not clear exactly which services were impacted, or what passwords may have been compromised. But if you have an account on Yahoo, OKCupid or Github—three popular sites known to have had the vulnerability (and patched it)—you should change your password on them as soon as possible. Other big Web companies are taking steps to fix the problem. You can check if a service has updated its security by typing in its domain name at https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest. Most of my very important accounts are fine, like banks, assets, etc. But, credit unions and retail outlets are crap so far. (other than Amazon - which is a shining star) For the test link above: If everything’s green, it has probably been fixed and you are clear to change your password. If the site is not in the green, hold off. Changing your password on vulnerable sites would either have no impact, or could potentially expose your new password. Even without Heartbleed, passwords have never been more vulnerable, and you should change them for important accounts every 90 days.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 04:01 AM (IXrOn)

70 * Correction, one of my credit union accounts now says all green - good to go, so the banking system is pretty good it seems.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 04:03 AM (IXrOn)

71 @69 Its well known that his son has been snapping up land at well below market rates all over clark county. Remember the blm gets to decide what is and is not productive use land. Don't be surprised if selling this land to harry reids son is seen as more productive use of this land than ranching. He's also elbow deep in a chinese solar panel company. Si don't be shocked if this is what this is all about. Getting more land for green companies so the payola from pols to frontgroups to shady business men can flow.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 11, 2014 04:11 AM (N6l/o)

72 So yesterday I was having a conversation with a woman who had been seriously emotionally and spiritually hurt by a "name it and claim it" or what I think of as a "gab it and grab it" theology. I would like to give all the preachers who espouse this type of thing a good shaking. Their faith is in a certain confession or doctrine, or what they think, not in God and they present the entirely non Christian idea of a "no suffering" theology. How erroneous it is to suggest that Christians who confess the word will not be sick or poor or depressed. As Wayne Monbleau of "Loving Grace" Ministries says says, "No matter how hard you try ('I've named it, claimed it, stood on it, rested on it, et"c) "you can't seem to cast the spirit of tribulation out of your life and then you feel frustrated. down on yourself" (as this woman was,) you feel you're out of touch with God's love and figure he's disgusted with you when He actually isn't." This "positive confession" theology is not taught in the New Testament. Paul admits to being sick, Timothy has s stomach ailment, Epaphroditus, had a stomach ailment and is sick unto death because of his Christian service (Phil 2;25-17) Paul himself despairs unto death. He feels so bad he wants to die. God does not blame Paul for being that depressed. He doesn't say "You're not a strong enough believer in Christ." Even great Saints have times where they feel God is not present. That allows us to get rid of formulas and relate to people out of love and compassion because we know where they are coming from. Our roundedness allows us to feel compassion for others. Yes, Christ is with us whatever our circumstances and he certainly doesn't think less of us because we feel like all hell is breaking lose in our lives. May Grace and peace be with you today.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2014 04:12 AM (XyM/Y)

73 Vacationing Family Pulled Over, Handcuffed At Gunpoint By Air Force Base Security http://drudge.tw/1hy1ZXj WTH

Posted by: spypeach at April 11, 2014 04:12 AM (10H0T)

74 "Forget about me [specifically]. Look at the way the attorney general of the United States was treated yesterday by a House committee," Holder told the crowd. "What attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? What president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment?" Just ran across that again and thought it bore repeating. Forget about me Forget about me Forget about me If only we could, weasel, if only we could.

Posted by: mindful webworker - trying too hard? at April 11, 2014 04:12 AM (AMsS5)

75 Morning, all! At Drudge the lead story is that someone threw a shoe at Hillary during her speech. Is it wrong that I'm amused by this? Puts a tiny dent in the "Inevitable" meme. Also, in the linked story, Hills is not lookin good. Will she look worse by 2016?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 11, 2014 04:13 AM (gzJJ2)

76 Meant Timothy has stomach ailment and Epaphroditus becomes sick to the point of death. We are not told what is wrong with him.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2014 04:14 AM (XyM/Y)

77 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2014 08:12 AM (XyM/Y) Thanks for that. I hate that health and wealth, name it claim it BS.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 11, 2014 04:15 AM (mx5oN)

78 76 She has 2 years to become tanned, rested, and surgically ready. She'll look different by then, which is not necessarily to say better.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 11, 2014 04:15 AM (ojnk6)

79 Hillary cancelled an appearance at an event because there was going to be a Benghazi protest. I see a strategy forming here.

Posted by: blaster at April 11, 2014 04:15 AM (4+AaH)

80
Meanwhile in LA, cops throw another bullet party and mow down two victims of crime.  Prep then found in adjacent room and subdued without that whole shooting thing:

"The door suddenly opened and a man with blood spurting form his neck entered the doorway." Scott said. Winkler also ran out, behind but nearly on top of the other man, authorities said.

Deputies mistook Winkler for the suspect and thought he was continuing to attack the other man, Coleman said. Three deputies fired four shots. Winkler was hit once and mortally wounded. The other man was hit in the leg and was hospitalized in stable condition, authorities said.

http://tinyurl.com/l8rlz3q




"The police, fearful that the blood spurting from the victim's neck placed themselves in imminent personal danger...".

Also applicable:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1271203/duck-hunt-dog-o.gif

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 11, 2014 04:15 AM (kdS6q)

81 Posted by: Kreplach at April 11, 2014 08:11 AM (N6l/o) I know all about BLM. Little bastards are trying a water rights grab here in my neck of the desert.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at April 11, 2014 04:16 AM (ial2b)

82 Ezra der Wunderkind - "Sebelius' Resignation Means 404Care Has Triumphed!" No matter how you slice it, it's still baloney...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 11, 2014 04:17 AM (HsTG8)

83 14 Gonna try to make time today to read up on the Nevada Ranch standoff. It sounds like there may be more to it than I was originally told - rancher won't pay gov't to let cattle graze on public land - (imagine that). Sounds like there's a lot of history to this. Lots of people & guns pouring in on both sides. If anybody has anything they want to share, I'm all eyes. And I'll do the same. ------- In my nic is a link to the Conservative Treehouse blog. They are keeping up to date but they are getting lots of "pro government" trolls, which suggests that the government is worried about the PR optics.

Posted by: Chillin the most at April 11, 2014 04:17 AM (gxtMZ)

84 One state to the west.

Posted by: Gmac at April 11, 2014 07:12 AM (4pjhs)

Texas?

Posted by: Womyn's Studies Barrista at April 11, 2014 04:18 AM (QFxY5)

85 From the story spypeach linked: “My son doesn’t trust police officers now,” Wendy Hill said. “He views them as the bad guy.” As well he should. Hopefully that lesson will stick with him for the rest of his life.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 11, 2014 04:18 AM (mx5oN)

86 Well Matthew 6: 25, might be on point,

Posted by: jeffrey pelt at April 11, 2014 04:18 AM (VYGs9)

87 He doesn't say "You're not a strong enough believer in Christ." Even great Saints have times where they feel God is not present. That allows us to get rid of formulas and relate to people out of love and compassion because we know where they are coming from. Our roundedness allows us to feel compassion for others. Yes, Christ is with us whatever our circumstances and he certainly doesn't think less of us because we feel like all hell is breaking lose in our lives.

May Grace and peace be with you today.

___

Thanks brother.

How can you know your faith if it's not tested?  That's what I'd like to say to all those preachers.

I actually prayed for God to test my faith recently.  LOL... oops : )  Be careful what you ask for!  Wild ride time!

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 04:18 AM (x3YFz)

88 @76.  Why was the woman mad at Hillary?  I mean, there are so many reasons has anyone pinpointed one yet?

Posted by: Case at April 11, 2014 04:18 AM (9mWut)

89 Thanks for that. I hate that health and wealth, name it claim it BS.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 11, 2014 08:15 AM (mx5oN)

it's garbage theology.   Borne of selfishness.  Nitwittery.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 04:20 AM (x3YFz)

90 80 Hillary cancelled an appearance at an event because there was going to be a Benghazi protest. I see a strategy forming here. Posted by: blaster at April 11, 2014 08:15 AM (4+AaH) Yes, Cankles the Cackler will ensure that her legions of flying monkeys will attend each and every event from now on. Bring pails of water... Did anyone else hear the story that an audience member chucked a shoe at Shrillary at an event earlier this week? I heard it on the radio, but cannot remember who reported it.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 11, 2014 04:21 AM (HsTG8)

91 Why does the article refer to them as "Warhogs?" You'd think if you were going to write an article about one specific piece of hardware, you would do your research to learn everything you could about that item. It's WARTHOG you warthog faced buffoons!

Posted by: skpicky at April 11, 2014 04:21 AM (el4LC)

92 @82 That's why I think its critically improtant that the vast majority of federally "owned" or controlled land must be givien back to the states. 85% of nevada is owned and controlled by the feds. I think that is obscene. That is the first step in reducing the size scope and reach of the federal government - litterally reducing its size, scope and reach.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 11, 2014 04:21 AM (fRHUc)

93 Eric Holder will be whipping out the race card any time now (which he seemed to do indirectly yesterday) Ashcroft wasn't treated badly? How about Gonzalez? Of course we haven't probably had such a crooked AG for some time.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2014 04:21 AM (XyM/Y)

94 Good morning, Friday blitzers Hands Up! across America "Sheriffs warn of violence from Mexican cartels deep into interior of U.S." http://tinyurl.com/o7bkuhf By Kelly Riddell, Washington Times, April 9 '14 “If we fail to secure our borders, then every sheriff in America will become a border sheriff,” said Sam Page, sheriff of Rockingham County, N.C. “We’re only a two-day drive from the border and have already seen the death and violence that illegal crossings brings into our community.” Sheriff Page, whose county has about 94,000 residents, noted that a Mexican cartel set up one of its drug warehouses about a mile from his home. “These men are coming into our county with more firepower than I have,” he said Wednesday. “I’m literally outgunned.” Outmanned and outgunned, local law enforcement officers are alarmed by the drug and human trafficking, prostitution, kidnapping and money laundering that Mexican drug cartels are conducting in the U.S. far from the border.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2014 04:21 AM (/vO0r)

95 Why was the woman mad at Hillary? I mean, there are so many reasons has anyone pinpointed one yet? IT MUST HAVE A DEPPER MEANING THAT WE MUST ALL ANALYZE FOR A FEW MONTHS. --Waht every lefty genius said when that Iraqi idiot threw the shoe at Dubya.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 11, 2014 04:22 AM (659DL)

96 85 I would take one state to the West of GA to mean Alabama, and by description the Huntsville/Madison area.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 11, 2014 04:22 AM (ojnk6)

97 It's WARTHOG you warthog faced buffoons!

Posted by: skpicky at April 11, 2014 08:21 AM (el4LC)

During GW 1, those would land looking like swiss cheese.  Our ground crews were patching them up with soda cans and quick turning them.

Amazing aircraft.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 04:22 AM (x3YFz)

98 Vacationing Family Pulled Over, Handcuffed At Gunpoint By Air Force Base Security http://drudge.tw/1hy1ZXj WTH Posted by: spypeach at April 11, 2014 08:12 AM (10H0T) Not only were they forcing a 65 woman to her knees, along with the mother of two young kids in the car crying... but, “An initial check of the vehicle plates with the National Law Enforcement Terminal System reported the vehicle as stolen,” according to a statement from the base Tuesday to the Daily New full of shit

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 04:22 AM (IXrOn)

99 Outmanned and outgunned, local law enforcement officers are alarmed by the drug and human trafficking, prostitution, kidnapping and money laundering that Mexican drug cartels are conducting in the U.S. far from the border. They're just acts of love.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 11, 2014 04:23 AM (mx5oN)

100 Can someone please tell me how cattle grazing on this land affects the damn turtle?

Posted by: Timon at April 11, 2014 04:23 AM (D2LjZ)

101 As long as their is still land for the cowboys to recite the poetry...

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 11, 2014 04:23 AM (LSJmV)

102 102 As long as their is still land for the cowboys to recite the poetry... Posted by: Countrysquire at April 11, 2014 08:23 AM (LSJmV) If they're ghey cowboys eating pudding.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 11, 2014 04:24 AM (mx5oN)

103 Morning Horde. Couple of things....first, the MoMee is rapidly approaching. June 21 in Alexandria, VA. If you're interested in coming, please email Bannion at sbannion at gmail. Next, one of the things we did last year, which I thoroughly enjoyed, was collect some of the funniest and most obscene (BIRM) comments from here at the HQ and then read them aloud. I need some help here. If something jumps out at you as especially funny or over the top, copy and paste that motherfucker into an email and send it to me. BCochran1981 at gmail. Finally, and related, I was reading through last year's set of comments. We need to up our game. Now, I realize that the election was still fresh in our minds and therefore we were at peak outrage and profanity and rantiness, but there's still lots of bad shit out there to bother us. Lets go people. Thank you, have a nice day, GFY, but first.....

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 11, 2014 04:24 AM (da5Wo)

104 The article doesn't identify the shoe thrower or her motive.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 11, 2014 04:24 AM (gzJJ2)

105 Did anyone else hear the story that an audience member chucked a shoe at Shrillary at an event earlier this week? I heard it on the radio, but cannot remember who reported it. = Drudge link, plenty of video Hillary "triumphantly" dodged the shoe -- given "standing ovation" by pan-faced press in standing room only back of room.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2014 04:24 AM (/vO0r)

106 The Elijah Cummings sphincter tightening watch: https://tinyurl.com/m2t62wv

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 11, 2014 04:25 AM (BZAd3)

107 Thank you, have a nice day, GFY, but first..... Posted by: BCochran1981 ahh, thanks BC, Good Morning to you too

Posted by: spypeach at April 11, 2014 04:26 AM (10H0T)

108 “An initial check of the vehicle plates with the National Law Enforcement Terminal System reported the vehicle as stolen,” according to a statement from the base Tuesday to the Daily New Then you fucking typed it in wrong, a-holes. Note to all police (who I have spent all my life supporting): You are not/not soldiers. Quit acting like them or this will end very, very badly for everyone.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 11, 2014 04:26 AM (659DL)

109 107 The Elijah Cummings sphincter tightening watch: https://tinyurl.com/m2t62wv Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 11, 2014 08:25 AM (BZAd3) I don't want to watch his sphincter at all, thank you very much.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 11, 2014 04:26 AM (mx5oN)

110 The enviro religious credo is: Humans may not walk the earth.

Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2014 04:26 AM (F58x4)

111 Looks to me like Hillary did not even react until the shoe was well past her.

Posted by: Case at April 11, 2014 04:27 AM (9mWut)

112 Why does the article refer to them as "Warhogs?" You'd think if you were going to write an article about one specific piece of hardware, you would do your research to learn everything you could about that item.

It's known on the street as an AR-15!

/MSNBC

Posted by: Lab Grown Vaginas at April 11, 2014 04:27 AM (0IhFx)

113 The stock markets are burning to the ground today, all over the world.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 04:27 AM (IXrOn)

114 111 The enviro religious credo is: Humans may not walk the earth. Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2014 08:26 AM (F58x4) I'd like to see them finally put their money where their mouth is and commit mass suicide.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 11, 2014 04:28 AM (mx5oN)

115 Well doesn't everybody have a Weibo page? https://tinyurl.com/lgqttgj

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 11, 2014 04:28 AM (BZAd3)

116 I love how Drudge juxtaposes the Hillary shoe story right with the story about lab-grown vaginas being implanted into humans.

Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2014 04:28 AM (F58x4)

117 101 Can someone please tell me how cattle grazing on this land affects the damn turtle? Posted by: Timon From one of the articles yesterday: But environmentalists, federal officials and the courts disagree. Armed federal officials and contract cowboys have been brought in to execute a 2013 court order and remove the trespassing cattle. “It’s high time for the BLM to do its job and give the [endangered desert] tortoises and the Gold Butte area the protection they need and are legally entitled to,” senior Center for Biological Diversity scientist Rob Mrowka told the Mesquite Local News. “As the tortoises emerge from their winter sleep, they are finding their much-needed food consumed by cattle.” Bundy’s herd also hinders the plants’ ability to recover from wildfires, tramples rare species, damages ancient American Indian cultural sites and endangers recreationists, Mrowka added.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 11, 2014 04:28 AM (LSJmV)

118 "I don't want to watch his sphincter at all, thank you very much." LOL. Me either.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2014 04:28 AM (XyM/Y)

119 *That's why I think its critically improtant that the vast majority of federally "owned" or controlled land must be givien back to the states. * -- Agreed -- *85% of nevada is owned and controlled by the feds.* --- For real? WTH?

Posted by: votermom at April 11, 2014 04:28 AM (atFNd)

120 84  In my nic is a link to the Conservative Treehouse blog. They are keeping up to date but they are getting lots of "pro government" trolls, which suggests that the government is worried about the PR optics.


Posted by: Chillin the most at April 11, 2014 08:17 AM (gxtMZ)



Most likely those are green assholes astroturfing.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 04:28 AM (T2V/1)

121 Can someone please tell me how cattle grazing on this land affects the damn turtle? Can someone tell me why any of this requires hordes of armed anythings?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 11, 2014 04:29 AM (659DL)

122
The stock markets are burning to the ground today, all over the world.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 08:27 AM (IXrOn)

long in VXX /happydance

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 04:30 AM (x3YFz)

123 117 I love how Drudge juxtaposes the Hillary shoe story right with the story about lab-grown vaginas being implanted into humans. Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2014 08:28 AM (F58x4) Lab grown vaginas to be declared a "right" and required to be provided on the taxpayers dime by the LGBTWTFBBQ crowd in 3...2...

Posted by: Insomniac at April 11, 2014 04:30 AM (mx5oN)

124 Eric Holder will be whipping out the race card any time now (which he seemed to do indirectly yesterday) Ashcroft wasn't treated badly? How about Gonzalez? Of course we haven't probably had such a crooked AG for some time.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2014 08:21 AM (XyM/Y)



Levin pointed out that Ed Meese underwent the scrutiny of two independent prosecutors, who found absolutely nothing wrong, as well as being bothered on a daily basis by Carl "don't you think this combover looks natural?" Levin for every delusional pipedream of wrongdoing that existed under that dessicated scalp.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 11, 2014 04:30 AM (cgf4R)

125 Hah... I buy stocks in funeral homes and ETFs that bet on disaster. 

Pessimist?  oh yeah.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 04:30 AM (x3YFz)

126 Considering that lil' Ezra was he one who started Journolist as a tool for story coordination, I'm guessing he thinks he can get the ball rolling with his "Sebelius and Obamacare are a success!!" nonsense. Yeah, no. You.ve greatly overestimated your ability to BS your readers.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 11, 2014 04:31 AM (gzJJ2)

127 The article doesn't identify the shoe thrower or her motive. Posted by: Lizzy Was the shoe launch a weird stunt staged for Hillary sympathy vote? Given the shoe description being female apparel, the Dims can't play a warzonwimminz card. Unless some gay guy threw his size 12D wimminz at Shrivelly -- and that wouldn't suit the PC mantra. So, gotta wonder if the shoe launcher will be charged with a terrorist act vs former Sec./State/1stLady.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2014 04:31 AM (/vO0r)

128 Over 200 Federal parasites in NV with tanks and guns, what could go wrong?

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 11, 2014 04:31 AM (thLL8)

129 But environmentalists, federal officials and the courts disagree. Armed federal officials and contract cowboys have been brought in to execute a 2013 court order and remove the trespassing cattle.

�It�s high time for the BLM to do its job and give the [endangered desert] tortoises and the Gold Butte area the protection they need and are legally entitled to,� senior Center for Biological Diversity scientist Rob Mrowka told the Mesquite Local News. �As the tortoises emerge from their winter sleep, they are finding their much-needed food consumed by cattle.�

Bundy�s herd also hinders the plants� ability to recover from wildfires, tramples rare species, damages ancient American Indian cultural sites and endangers recreationists, Mrowka adde

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 11, 2014 08:28 AM (LSJmV)


No word as to how all that damage never occurred since 1870.  

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 04:32 AM (T2V/1)

130 Can someone please tell me how cattle grazing on this land affects the damn turtle? I don't know for sure, but I think tortoises "graze" too, to eat. But, did anyone ask the tortoises how they feel? I wonder if anyone's done a study about how more cow patties may create more to graze on...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 04:32 AM (IXrOn)

131 "Hah... I buy stocks in funeral homes" tangonine! sure thing.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2014 04:32 AM (/vO0r)

132 129 Over 200 Federal parasites in NV with tanks and guns, what could go wrong? Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 11, 2014 08:31 AM (thLL Can't think of a single thing...

Posted by: Randy Weaver at April 11, 2014 04:32 AM (mx5oN)

133 I don't want to watch his sphincter at all, thank you very much. Posted by: Insomniac at April 11, 2014 08:26 AM (mx5oN) When a guy like Cummings is as big of an asshole as he is, and he starts squirming to stay out of jail, it's hard not to see it.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 11, 2014 04:32 AM (BZAd3)

134 Wherein Shrillary establishes her carpet-munching bona fides: 'My goodness, I didn't know that solid waste management was so controversial,' Clinton said. 'Thank goodness she didn't play softball like I did.'

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 11, 2014 04:32 AM (HsTG8)

135 *85% of nevada is owned and controlled by the feds.* Can someone please point out to me the section of the constitution that gives the federal government the authority tho "own" the majority if the land in a state.

Posted by: Timon at April 11, 2014 04:33 AM (D2LjZ)

136 Can someone please tell me how cattle grazing on this land affects the damn turtle? Because Agenda 21.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 11, 2014 04:33 AM (thLL8)

137
Over 200 Federal parasites in NV with tanks and guns, what could go wrong?

If history is any indication, innocent people will lose their lives to federal snipers, who will then receive medals, and awards for their service/performance before retiring under assumed names.

Posted by: Lab Grown Vaginas at April 11, 2014 04:34 AM (0IhFx)

138 129 Over 200 Federal parasites in NV with tanks and guns, what could go wrong? Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 11, 2014 08:31 AM (thLL Eh, too many angry people with guns. This is an accident waiting to happen. The feds overreacted and need to stand down.

Posted by: joncelli at April 11, 2014 04:34 AM (RD7QR)

139 Rodham played gurrrrlz softball?  That explains everything.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 11, 2014 04:35 AM (cgf4R)

140 If history is any indication, innocent people will lose their lives to federal snipers, who will then receive medals, and awards for their service/performance before retiring under assumed names.

Posted by: Lab Grown Vaginas at April 11, 2014 08:34 AM (0IhFx)

most of them can't shoot for shit.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 04:35 AM (x3YFz)

141 126. Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 08:30 AM (x3YFz) yesterday I read of the armed guarded State burial ground island off New York, mass graves of indigents and still borns since being a prison of starved Confederate Soldiers.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2014 04:35 AM (/vO0r)

142 Bottom line. WE MUST SAVE THE DESERT TORTOISE!! Unless it gets in the way of another fucking bullshit solar company. Follow the damn money. http://tinyurl.com/na8mvs2 The U.S. Interior Department announced Wednesday it was approving two large solar projects in the Mojave Desert that may displace or harm more than 2,000 desert tortoises. In a formal Record of Decision, or ROD, issued February 19, Interior approved two projects on more than six square miles of public land in California and Nevada for the Stateline and Silver State South solar projects, which the Arizona-based firm First Solar wants to build near the Mojave National Preserve south of Las Vegas. They are the 49th and 50th large renewable energy projects approved on public lands during the Obama administration. According to an assessment of the projects released by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in 2013, the two projects are expected to displace, injure, or kill up to 2,115 federally Threatened desert tortoises. Most of the mortalities will happen to young tortoises and will likely be killed without even being detected, the agency noted. I am behind Bundy 100 percent. Hope he kicks the fed goons teeth in.

Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 04:36 AM (fWAjv)

143 Over 200 Federal parasites in NV with tanks and guns, what could go wrong? I heard there are a lot of armed militia there now in support of the rancher. This will not end well, I'm just wondering who's going to fire the first shot.

Posted by: spypeach at April 11, 2014 04:36 AM (10H0T)

144 Morning all!   What fresh hell will today bring?   

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 04:36 AM (4df7R)

145 I met and talked to a federal ranger from NV several years ago.  It was his opinion then, and mine as well, that the next civil war would be fought over water rights in the western States.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 04:36 AM (T2V/1)

146 The first thing the feds will do is kill the ranchers dogs.

Posted by: Case at April 11, 2014 04:36 AM (9mWut)

147 Can someone tell me why any of this requires hordes of armed anythings? Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 11, 2014 08:29 AM (659DL) Bingo. Hell, for the sake of argument, I'll concede that the ranchers are totally in the wrong and the BLM is totally in the right (AHAHAAHA sorry sorry back to conceding). Let us stipulate that.
Why are there armed guards all over the place? Why is the road closed? Why was the son arrested and tased and it looks like beaten up for photographing public servants attempting to execute a public order on public lands? What is going to happen to the cattle? Who, exactly and precisely, decided that "First Amendment Zones" were appropriate? If BLM is executing the order to remove the cattle, why are there contractors doing the actual removal? What was the bid process to obtain the contractors? Who, exactly and precisely, made the determination that armed guards were needed to protect the contractors? When, exactly and precisely, will BLM determine that all the cattle have been rounded up? How, exactly and precisely, does BLM know that the unbranded cattle are those ranchers' cattle? Given that this is a dispute about public lands, the public has a right to know the answers to those questions.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 11, 2014 04:36 AM (mf5HN)

148 lulz The Wallstreet Journal gets a big red F on security when you filter it through the SLL check.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 04:36 AM (IXrOn)

149 “It’s high time for the BLM to do its job and give the [endangered desert] tortoises and the Gold Butte area the protection they need and are legally entitled to,” senior Center for Biological Diversity scientist Rob Mrowka told the Mesquite Local News. “As the tortoises emerge from their winter sleep, they are finding their much-needed food consumed by cattle.” The fix is in: that guy used to run the Enviromental Panning Board for Clark County, while the county drove ranchers out of the area, and before that he was with the forest service. A lifer in the soak-the-taxpayer fight.

Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2014 04:37 AM (F58x4)

150 But Vic, those desert tortoises are LEGALLY ENTITLED to that land.!!!11!! The fact that we have gotten so far away from the founder's vision of freedom and private property rights that we give formal legal rights to a effin' turtle should tell anyone all they need to know.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 11, 2014 04:37 AM (LSJmV)

151 I Got Mine theology in that old MASH about the pilot who had a messianic episode: Frank Burns: I tested him. I said a little prayer. Hawkeye: Frank, just because we didn't get ice cream with dinner doesn't mean he's not Jesus! (Roughly, from memory.)

Posted by: mindful webworker - chocolate! at April 11, 2014 04:37 AM (yFFC0)

152 Has Obama said anything about the Nevada situation? I rarely watch television so I don't know if it is even mentioned on the "nightly news" so maybe people are unaware of how it is escalating. I seem to remember that the Feds own even more of Utah than Nevada.

Posted by: Chillin the most at April 11, 2014 04:37 AM (gxtMZ)

153 Mornin morons. Yippee, its the 5th Monday of the week.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 11, 2014 04:38 AM (HVff2)

154 According to an assessment of the projects released by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in 2013, the two projects are expected to displace, injure, or kill up to 2,115 federally Threatened desert tortoises. Most of the mortalities will happen to young tortoises and will likely be killed without even being detected, the agency noted. the irony good God

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 04:39 AM (IXrOn)

155 Check the link in my nic. Things are already getting tense.

Posted by: Chillin the most at April 11, 2014 04:39 AM (gxtMZ)

156
Can someone please point out to me the section of the constitution that gives the federal government the authority tho "own" the majority if the land in a state.

It's right after the part where it's revealed to Bella that Edward is a vampire.

/Justice Roberts

Posted by: Lab Grown Vaginas at April 11, 2014 04:39 AM (0IhFx)

157 Check out the "Center For Biological Diversity" staff. What a crew of misfits with no other mission than to stop evolution and human progress in its fucking tracks. Somebody is giving a LOT of money to buy meals for these people. http://bit.ly/1egmYx9

Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2014 04:40 AM (F58x4)

158 Given that this is a dispute about public lands, the public has a right to know the answers to those questions. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 11, 2014 08:36 AM (mf5HN) You, young lady, expect too much. You will not get your answers and you will like it and keep quiet about it unless we sic the IRS on you.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 11, 2014 04:40 AM (HVff2)

159 Good news - inflation is coming back in a big way, as the producer price index jumped 0.5% (core up 0.6%) last month.

Posted by: steveegg at April 11, 2014 04:41 AM (o44nj)

160 Posted by: Timon at April 11, 2014 08:33 AM (D2LjZ) There may be others, as well. But... Weirdo-kÃœll Bill Clinton did a major federal move to confiscate state lands into federal AND PRIVATE RANCHES in Southern Utah Canyonlands. Clinton also transferred National Parks FACILITIES to Communist China gov-subsidized-owned corporations to supervise and manage.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2014 04:41 AM (/vO0r)

161
And on Saturday, the DDG 1000 Sitting Duck -- err -- Zumwalt is being christened.

The coverage of the controversial former CNO is along these lines today:

"Warship's Namesake, Zumwalt, Fought Racism, Sexism"

http://tinyurl.com/lc4glku


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 11, 2014 04:42 AM (kdS6q)

162 RE: the Nevada rancher, I don't care what he did or did not do previously.   I find it very hard to believe that his    most recent   actions require the federal gubmint to send in hordes of armed,   jackbooted thugs.   This will not end well.  The only question is which side is going to take first blood.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 04:43 AM (4df7R)

163 @153 The feds "own" 57% of utah. The feds "own" a very sizable percentage of most of thr west. They "own" 45% of california for instsnce.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 11, 2014 04:43 AM (p12qs)

164 27 Levin started off his shoe by destroying the JEF's cartoonish view of Saint LBJ and how he blocked civil rights legislation under Eisenhower along with ManBearPig's bigoted pile of shit father, Slick's mentor, Saint Sam Ervin of Watergate fame and nearly every fucking other donk. He also pointed that Ed Meese endured far worse than the chinless shitstain whining to Resist We Much's clowncar convention ever went through. Posted by: Captain Hate at April 11, 2014 07:21 AM (cgf4R) Didn't listen to Levin, but IIRC (maybe not) Civil Rights Legislation grew out of Voters Right Legislation, a Republican initiative, vociferously opposed by the Democ usual suspects. Civil Rights Legislation was filibustered mightily by the Democ usual suspects and was primarily moved by Everett Dirksen (R) (Decent Liberal). The legislation sat moribund under Camelot and Johnson took all the accolades for Dirksens' work and the bill passed with a much higher percentage of Republican "yeas" than the Democ usual suspects grumbled "yeas". But, Media and we all know how the narrative was painted. ....and fuck you Cronkite, fuck you Rather and fuck you New York Pravda.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 11, 2014 04:43 AM (4OQkz)

165 I met and talked to a federal ranger from NV several years ago. It was his opinion then, and mine as well, that the next civil war would be fought over water rights in the western States. Posted by: Vic at April 11, 2014 08:36 AM (T2V/1) I thought that for a long time but now I think it's a race between that and federal seizure of all 401(k) and other kinds of retirement money. *adds jaunty propeller to hat* .

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 11, 2014 04:45 AM (mf5HN)

166 AtC, all wonderful questions, but what is with the first amendment zones the fed gov set up? It is so mind boggling to me that I don't even know how to respond. I thought there was only one first amendment zone and it stretched from Maine to Hawaii.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 11, 2014 04:45 AM (LSJmV)

167 the irony good God Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 08:39 AM (IXrOn) This happened last year as well - Federal funds for a Nevada-based desert tortoise conservation center are running dry and wildlife officials plan to close the facility and euthanize hundreds of tortoises that were once classified as “endangered” and are currently considered “threatened.” The desert tortoise can be found in the southwestern United States, but its population has been dwindling. In some areas, the tortoise population has decreased by 90 percent since the 1980s, and in the Mojave desert the population is considered “threatened.” It is illegal to touch, harm or harass these animals, and the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center has tried to increase their population ever since they were added to the endangered species list in 1990. Still, only 100,000 desert tortoises are estimated to remain in the wild. But federal funds are running dry at the Las Vegas Valley facility, and rather than release the animals, officials plan to euthanize about half of the 1,400 tortoises. The 220-acre facility will shut its doors in 2014, and the tortoises deemed feeble to survive in the wild will be set free. Many of the tortoises at the center were formerly kept as pets and are unable to survive in the desert.

Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 04:45 AM (fWAjv)

168 AtC, The cattle are going to auction in UT.

Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 04:46 AM (fWAjv)

169 Weirdo-kÃœll Bill Clinton did a major federal move to confiscate state lands into federal AND PRIVATE RANCHES in Southern Utah Canyonlands.


Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2014 08:41 AM (/vO0r)



That was one of the worst things the red-nosed predator who looks like Bob Barker with STDs did in terms of long term consequences.  Yet the MFM drones just nodded away like the commie enabling fuckheads they've always been.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 11, 2014 04:46 AM (cgf4R)

170 I think we need to start applying the 3S solution to people like senior scientist Rob Mrowka and start giving out,those officers participating in the Bundy soon to be disaster, families names and location. This is the hill Bundy will die on.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at April 11, 2014 04:46 AM (ecN6u)

171 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 11, 2014 08:36 AM (mf5HN)

*************

Exactly this.

Posted by: gracepmc at April 11, 2014 04:46 AM (rznx3)

172 AtC, The cattle are going to auction in UT. Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 08:46 AM (fWAjv) Good. I was terrified to look because I was sure that they were all going to be put down. A more troublemaking sort, unlike a delicate flower of innocent virtue such as I, would buy the cattle and immediately set them to graze on Federal lands in Utah.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 11, 2014 04:47 AM (mf5HN)

173 153 Has Obama said anything about the Nevada situation? I rarely watch television so I don't know if it is even mentioned on the "nightly news" so maybe people are unaware of how it is escalating. Let's see: a round of "participation praise" for a great meeting, followed by a shout out to Big Chief Wades-Through-Bullshit, then close with an expressively-wristed paean to end this senseless workplace violence. Will that about cover things?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 11, 2014 04:47 AM (HsTG8)

174 154 Mornin morons. Yippee, its the 5th Monday of the week.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 11, 2014 08:38 AM (HVff2)

Every day today has been a long week.

I'm not normally one to ask for awards, but I deserve a medal for just not killing anyone this week.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 04:47 AM (x3YFz)

175 I've read that the rancher's cattle were seized and killed. WTF? This is why they've been trying to take away guns. To avoid standoffs with pesky citizens.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 11, 2014 04:47 AM (gzJJ2)

176 167 Exactly, CS. Every fcuking square inch, of this Country is a First Amendment Zone, and fcuk those that try and define specific areas to exercise the Rights we were born with.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 11, 2014 04:48 AM (ojnk6)

177 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2014 08:12 AM (XyM/Y)


The "prosperity gospel" isn't the Gospel at all.  It's heresy.
Any teaching that does not apply to Christians in China as well as Christians in America is heresy.  Any teaching that does not apply to Christians in Islam countries is heresy.  Any teaching that does not apply to Christians in Ethiopia, or Nigeria, or Bangladesh is heresy. Demanding that God act as an ATM machine or a Doctor who dispenses Magic Pills is heresy.

Does God prosper His people?  Of course He does.  Does God bless His people?  Of course He does.  According to His purposes, not ours.  And it can be a great blessing to suffer for the cause of Christ. 


End of rant.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 11, 2014 04:48 AM (oMKp3)

178 Word for the day is : Tombola

Posted by: Smith the Philologist at April 11, 2014 04:48 AM (pHAar)

179 The cattle are going to auction in UT. Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 08:46 AM (fWAjv) Dana Loesch was on Megan Kelly's show last night (or the night before) and said they were being killed. Do you have a link for the auction info?

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 11, 2014 04:48 AM (bCEmE)

180 But, Media and we all know how the narrative was painted. ....and fuck you Cronkite, fuck you Rather and fuck you New York Pravda. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ But it will be different with immigration/amnesty, right?

Posted by: GOPe at April 11, 2014 04:48 AM (LSJmV)

181 You know, speaking of "aircraft like no other," it seems like just last week I was still hearing from fans of the A-26 and the Douglas Skyraider, about how this new jet thingy would never replace a real CAS airplane. Now of course, last week I was at the Air Force Museum, but that's just incidental. They weren't really obsolete, you know. We just ran out of parts. Lot of that going around.

My Secret Service sources reveal that Hillary!'s new code name is TOTKO.

The shoe flew past, and she said, "What was that? A bat?"

And Secret Service sez, "Takes One To Know One."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2014 04:48 AM (xq1UY)

182

First Ammendment Zones were first established, as I recall, by George W Bush.

 

I shit you not. Will go verify now.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 04:49 AM (nv0XF)

183 The feds "own" 57% of utah. The feds "own" a very sizable percentage of most of thr west. They "own" 45% of california for instsnce. Posted by: Kreplach at April 11, 2014 08:43 AM (p12qs) For those who like maps Public lands managed by BLM http://tinyurl.com/paanbtg

Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 04:49 AM (fWAjv)

184 Every day today has been a long week. I'm not normally one to ask for awards, but I deserve a medal for just not killing anyone this week. Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 08:47 AM (x3YFz) I know the feeling about not injuring someone. Here have the medal of short rope.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 11, 2014 04:49 AM (HVff2)

185
*adds jaunty propeller to hat*

.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 11, 2014 08:45 AM (mf5HN)



Very fetching, my queen.   May I also recommend this handy spray bottle accessory, which can be used to spray vinegar into the sky to guard against the contrails?  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 04:49 AM (4df7R)

186

They can round up cattle but can't round up illegals.  bullshit.

Posted by: Case at April 11, 2014 04:50 AM (9mWut)

187 Posted by: Jaws at April 11, 2014 07:47 AM (eKZp1) The A-10 debacle makes me more & more in favor of Heinlein's concept of requiring honorable service in the military as a prerequisite to vote in any election. Photo ID plus a DD214.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 11, 2014 04:50 AM (o3MSL)

188 First Ammendment Zones were first established, as I recall, by George W Bush.

I shit you not. Will go verify now.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 08:49 AM (nv0XF)

Think you're right.  Was at the RNC convention if I recall.

I hate hippies just as much as the next guy but that was some busslit.(intentional, working on not cussing)

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 04:51 AM (x3YFz)

189 Lake looks like a mirror this morning. The pair of loons that spent yesterday in the windy chop just offshore from us, are a quarter mile west this morning, way out. That loon call is both gorgeous and spooky.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 11, 2014 04:51 AM (tmFlQ)

190 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 11, 2014 08:36 AM (mf5HN) The cattle are supposed to be auctioned from what I saw Fox News reporting yesterday. Presumably to collect for his back "Fees" (we can argue over whether they're legitimate or not at another point.) Sometimes I wish fate gave us cleaner heroes (Although you can't do much better than Little Sisters of the Poor) there's just enough ambiguity here for the media to either ignore it or spin it as legitimate.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 04:51 AM (HDwDg)

191 Someone mentioned this yesterday: Q: Why don't the schutzstaffel go police our border for bad guys instead of bothering ranchers? A: The drug lords are scary and mean. Our country is utterly lost.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 11, 2014 04:51 AM (4yFKY)

192 And confirmed. Feel free to search Bush ACLU and see for yourself. I thought I remembered that.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 04:52 AM (nv0XF)

193 Sometimes I wish fate gave us cleaner heroes (Although you can't do much better than Little Sisters of the Poor) there's just enough ambiguity here for the media to either ignore it or spin it as legitimate.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 08:51 AM (HDwDg)



Do what I do and don't think of him as being either a hero or a villain.  Think of him as an object lesson.   "This is what the government will do to you."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 04:52 AM (4df7R)

194 First Ammendment Zones were first established, as I recall, by George W Bush.

I shit you not. Will go verify now.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 08:49 AM (nv0XF)


Yes, they were. I was in Nashua, NH for one of his visits when they did this. One of the many reasons I no longer have anything to do with the GOPe.

Posted by: Anthony L. at April 11, 2014 04:52 AM (qRDBx)

195 Thing about completely downloading on your boss is you only get to do it once, so make it good.

I did.

heh.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 04:53 AM (x3YFz)

196 If the feds plan to auction off the cattle, how do they justify "seizing" the property from the rancher? Can't they just relocate them to the rancher's property?

Posted by: Timon at April 11, 2014 04:53 AM (kAniV)

197 The only respectable argument against Bundy I've come across at that Conservative Treehouse blog is from commenter Edward Teach. I still don't know enough about it to hold a solid position.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 11, 2014 04:54 AM (HLprW)

198 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 11, 2014 08:47 AM (mf5HN) Please be noting that attempts to limit grazing via corn are met with eco hippies crying "GMO!" (Granted, again, not clean, corn subsidies make that a bad option for other reasons.) Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 08:51 AM (x3YFz) ?! We've had them here in airports for as long as I can remember. There is a legitimate reason for crowd control, I'm not entirely sure when we crossed the line past that into "rendering the first amendment moot via rules."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 04:54 AM (HDwDg)

199 Inside Every GOPe member is a Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 11, 2014 04:54 AM (thLL8)

200 Do you have a link for the auction info? Posted by: Tami at April 11, 2014 08:48 AM (bCEmE) There is pushback from some in UT though. They are protesting the auction house and the Governor as well as others are against it. Washington County Sheriff Cory Pulsipher said he is concerned about the cattle being brought this county and has been working overtime with county commissioners to do what they can to address the issue. “I don’t think Utah should be dragged into the middle of this,” he said. “The BLM is going to have to stop at the port of entry, and they’re going to be met with protestors — mad protestors — and then I’ve got to worry about the potential risk to my deputies and all because they’re bringing us into an issue that isn’t ours to begin with.” Gov. Gary Herbert also voiced his opposition of the cattle being auctioned in Utah through his chief of staff, Mike Mower, who said Herbert believed Bundy’s issue is Nevada’s issue and should remain there. Link - http://tinyurl.com/ompss9k

Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 04:55 AM (fWAjv)

201

As I said yesterday tsr ... that rancher pings my spidey sense.

 

I'd love to take the BLM down a peg or fifty ... but that rancher's hands ain't clean either. And that is PRECISELY why the BLM picked him as their example.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 04:56 AM (nv0XF)

202

Word for the day is : Tombola

 

The actress hasn't learnt the lines you'd like to hear;

She won't join in your clubs,

She won't dance in your halls.

She won't help the hungry once a  month at your tombolas -

She simply take control as

You disappear.

 

 - Tim Rice, Evita

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 11, 2014 04:56 AM (zF6Iw)

203 192 Someone mentioned this yesterday: Q: Why don't the schutzstaffel go police our border for bad guys instead of bothering ranchers? A: The drug lords are scary and mean. Our country is utterly lost. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Did you not read the posts above? These tortoises have legal rights, and those rights are all that matter. Except for the euthanized tortoises. Screw them. But these tortoises, they matter.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 11, 2014 04:56 AM (LSJmV)

204 Very fetching, my queen. May I also recommend this handy spray bottle accessory, which can be used to spray vinegar into the sky to guard against the contrails? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at April 11, 2014 08:49 AM (4df7R) Why, yes, yes, you may. Might I recommend this? http://bit.ly/1ew5bN7 Okay, so now there's a Brit scientist who gets rescued by Lola and Lorelei and Driver Because Hiddleston okay? You get to name him. Also I am on vacation next week. Expect hourly countdowns until yay vacation.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 11, 2014 04:56 AM (mf5HN)

205 http://tinyurl.com/ompss9k Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 08:55 AM (fWAjv) Tank you!

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 11, 2014 04:56 AM (bCEmE)

206 In the Nevada range war there was a rules change in '93. It's easy to conclude the discovery of an endangered species was the rational the Feds used to drive the ranchers off the land. If you remember, the Clinton administration was actively claiming ownership of large tracts of western land in the guise of environmental preservation. The declaration of a wilderness area to prevent mining of coal in Utah (?) comes to mind.

Posted by: Smith the Philologist at April 11, 2014 04:56 AM (pHAar)

207 Think of him as an object lesson. "This is what the government will do to you." Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at April 11, 2014 08:52 AM (4df7R) Hell. Yes.

Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 04:57 AM (fWAjv)

208 There is a legitimate reason for crowd control, I'm not entirely sure when we crossed the line past that into "rendering the first amendment moot via rules."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 08:54 AM (HDwDg)

I understand.  The first amendment (and all other rights) is an individual one, free to exercise AS LONG AS it doesn't interfere with someone else's rights.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 04:57 AM (x3YFz)

209 They can round up cattle but can't round up illegals. bullshit. Posted by: Case at April 11, 2014 08:50 AM (9mWut) Amen to that. Cattle = beef. Tortoise > food. Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta = water = Produce. Delta Smelt > food. There's always Tortoise Soup.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 04:57 AM (IXrOn)

210 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at April 11, 2014 08:52 AM (4df7R) Fair enough point. Except that lesson won't be learned if the LIVs come down on the side of "what he was doing was in fact wrong." I commented a few days back on twitter that I wanted the "Tragedy of the Commons" argument relegated to the waste bin. And look, here we are, with the government effectively making the that argument and people tend to buy it. I generally don't, I think spontaneous order tends to trump it. And there's a century of this guy grazing the land as evidence.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 04:57 AM (HDwDg)

211 The news reports are saying that the cows are costing the gov $3M to store so evidently they are not going to auction them.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 04:57 AM (T2V/1)

212 Wow! Dana Perino on the podcast this week!! 
I'm speechless and intrigued!




Posted by: dananjcon at April 11, 2014 04:57 AM (NpXoL)

213 The gov had to make an example of the Ranchers. They couldn't let them "win."

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 04:57 AM (IXrOn)

214 TOP.


MEN.



Gov't says report on power grid threats mishandled


AP: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/report-power-grid-threats-mishandled


WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal energy regulators improperly allowed widespread access to a sensitive document that outlined specific locations where the nation's electric grid is vulnerable to physical threats, a government investigator said Wednesday.



The document created by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission should have been kept secret as a national security matter, Energy Department Inspector General Gregory Friedman said. Instead the information was provided in whole or in part to federal and industry officials in uncontrolled settings.



The Wall Street Journal reported last month that a federal analysis indicated that a coordinated terrorist strike on just nine key electric transmission substations could cause cascading power outages across the country in each of the nation's three synchronized power networks...




I remember when that story came out, and I was thinking,   "WTF?   Why are we hearing about this, FGS?"    I am clearly smarter than the allegedly smart people in the federal gubmint.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 04:58 AM (4df7R)

215 153. I seem to remember that the Feds own even more of Utah than Nevada. Posted by: Chillin the most at April 11, 2014 08:37 AM (gxtMZ) THAT accomplished under the "conservative" auspices of Sen. Orrin Hatch. The price the State of Deseret pays for "belonging" to the Union. Revisionism, it's what the majority ended up demanding. In that, historically shared irony with Texas forfeiting Independent sovereign nation-state, Republic of Texas. But unlike Utah, Texas joined the USA in time to be dragged through the War Between the States, against Houston's advice. Whereas Brigham Young kept Mormons out of the Civil War, having divorced themselves from the USA, waiting it out, overwhelmed by demands of survival colonizing the West. Then, after the "Mormon War" US Congress/Administration/Army campaign to halt Polygamy and to assert dominion over the West, Young would subsequently use the US Army for his own purposes, "volunteering" the Mormon Battalion to destroy the Republic of Mexico's hold on Deseret or the Great American Southwest. Well, their Great March threatened, but saw no combat. At any rate, look what "belonging" has done, what merging always does. Loss of Individualism. Loss of freedom, loss of property, loss of "ownership". Grover Cleveland (190 "Americans Must Think" -- American Craftsman journal

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2014 04:58 AM (/vO0r)

216 Save the Warthog!

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at April 11, 2014 04:58 AM (zDsvJ)

217 >Sometimes I wish fate would give us cleaner heroes. How about Catherine Engelbrecht? "We filed an ethics complaint against Rep. Cummings in February. Today weÂ’re amending that filing to include this latest revelation. As I have said in my testimony before Congress; I will not retreat, I will not surrender, I will not be intimidated. I will not ask Rep. Cummings, Lois Lerner, Barack Obama, or anyone else, for permission to exercise my constitutional rights."

Posted by: Lizzy at April 11, 2014 04:59 AM (gzJJ2)

218 I'm speechless and intrigued!




Posted by: dananjcon at April 11, 2014 08:57 AM (NpXoL)

The real question is:  are you wearing pants?

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 04:59 AM (x3YFz)

219 How does it work that the same people who want to save an obsolete turtle are the ones who don't believe in G_d and think that Darwinism and the "Theory of Evolution" reign supreme?

Let the fucking turtle die, and get the hell out of our lives, you commie bastards.

Posted by: Fritz at April 11, 2014 04:59 AM (UzPAd)

220 So WTF is Janet Reno when you need a good fire fight?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 11, 2014 04:59 AM (HVff2)

221 200 Inside Every GOPe member is a Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out. And tears. And gin.

Posted by: John Boehner at April 11, 2014 04:59 AM (kZyv8)

222 We've had them here in airports for as long as I can remember I do remember when the "Hari Krishnas", for lack of a better term, swarmed in airports like locusts to sell Baghdad Bob's Vitamins (or some such text). Folks complained enough that the robed haranguers were confined to little stalls at the sides of concourses, from which they attempted to wheedle passengers to come to them in order to ply their wares.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 11, 2014 05:00 AM (HsTG8)

223 The news reports are saying that the cows are costing the gov $3M to store so evidently they are not going to auction them. Posted by: Vic at April 11, 2014 08:57 AM (T2V/1) Mad Cows. Who is sticking up for the rights of the cows to roam graze.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 05:00 AM (IXrOn)

224

Inside Every GOPe member is a Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out.

 

-------

 

We used to say a Republican is a Democrat that got mugged.

 

Now we have to add to that:  A GOPe is a liberal with a thirst for power.

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 11, 2014 05:00 AM (PFy0L)

225 OMG they're showing cute "pet" otters and beavers on F and F.
Watch for a surge in illegal beavers. No, wait...
Friends, don't approach cute beavers and otters in the wild. They'll seldom go out of their way to come after you, but, intruded upon, they're real aggressive, and don't leave off easily. They're agile and they bite, with really well-adapted teeth.

So, the Feds were actually killing more turtles than the cattle were? I'll bet they get fast and furious over this. Tortoises are maligned by Aesop et al. Watch some in a zoo. True, they don't run, but they're way better movers than a lot of other critters.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2014 05:00 AM (xq1UY)

226 The gov agency that protects the desert tortoise is out of money so they are going to kill the 200 they have been taking care of. This makes the Nevada situation even more absurd not to mention how much money they are spending for the roundup.

Posted by: Spring Fever at April 11, 2014 05:01 AM (i7KmQ)

227 Why, yes, yes, you may.

Might I recommend this?

http://bit.ly/1ew5bN7



*heart flutters*   I'll just... I'll just be over here.  In my bunk.   For the next hour or ten.  


(SUCH LONG LEGS GUH)



Okay, so now there's a Brit scientist who gets rescued by Lola and Lorelei and Driver Because Hiddleston okay? You get to name him.



EEEE!!!!  *DIES*


*speaking from beyond the grave*  I'll have to give this some serious thought!




Also I am on vacation next week. Expect hourly countdowns until yay vacation.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 11, 2014 08:56 AM (mf5HN)



*whimper*   I'm glad you will get a vacation, but    will miss your cromulent analysis    and    deep understanding of the importance of Teh Pretteh.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 05:01 AM (4df7R)

228 Posted by: Vic at April 11, 2014 08:57 AM (T2V/1) Does that rule out auction? I have no idea what it would cost to store a herd of cow while working out auction details.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 05:01 AM (HDwDg)

229 Folks complained enough that the robed haranguers were confined to little stalls at the sides of concourses, from which they attempted to wheedle passengers to come to them in order to ply their wares.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ at April 11, 2014 09:00 AM (HsTG

OH! they were so fun!  Just ask them repeatedly if you can rub their head.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 05:01 AM (x3YFz)

230 >>The news reports are saying that the cows are costing the gov $3M to store ... Why, are they vacationing with Michelle?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 11, 2014 05:01 AM (gzJJ2)

231 212 The news reports are saying that the cows are costing the gov $3M to store so evidently they are not going to auction them. Posted by: Vic at April 11, 2014 08:57 AM (T2V/1) That's the cost to to confiscate them. They had to contract out since nobody at the BLM knows a damn thing about cattle.

Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 05:03 AM (fWAjv)

232 Can someone please tell me how cattle grazing on this land affects the damn turtle? Maybe they'll eat the turtles! Hey, that one cow ate that chicken...

Posted by: Mainah at April 11, 2014 05:03 AM (659DL)

233 OMG they're showing cute "pet" otters and beavers on F and F. Watch for a surge in illegal beavers. No, wait... Friends, don't approach cute beavers and otters in the wild. They'll seldom go out of their way to come after you, but, intruded upon, they're real aggressive, and don't leave off easily. They're agile and they bite, with really well-adapted teeth. Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2014 09:00 AM (xq1UY) Shaved or unshaved beavers? *bounds off innocently*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 11, 2014 05:03 AM (mf5HN)

234 Shaved or unshaved beavers? *bounds off innocently*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 11, 2014 09:03 AM (mf5HN)



It would be more    believable, my queen, if you gamboled rather than bounding.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 05:04 AM (4df7R)

235 Yankees pitcher Michael Pineda...pine tar or what he claims was dirt and sweat? Twit pic: http://tinyurl.com/mseapxp

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 11, 2014 05:05 AM (bCEmE)

236 Can someone please tell me how cattle grazing on this land affects the damn turtle? They graze to eat too. Evidently, cattle are thought of as locusts.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 05:05 AM (IXrOn)

237 Posted by: Mainah at April 11, 2014 09:03 AM (659DL) WAG: they step on them. WAG #2 reduced grass somehow directly effects them. I'm all for biodiversity, but saving every little species seems a bit much to me. It's not like we're going to kill off all the turtles or even as I understand it all the turtles in this area. Just this one species of turtle (which I have yet to hear explained in such a way that I'm not sure it's not a subspecies.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 05:05 AM (HDwDg)

238 Is it still a beaver if it's shaved?

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 11, 2014 05:05 AM (LSJmV)

239 Sharyl Attkinson's book should be good. https://tinyurl.com/pod3gdu It's mind boggling how invested the MFM is in SCOAMT and their need to fabricate an illusion of success where there is only failure. A failure, by the way, that is only slightly greater than that of the Republicans inability to confront it.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 11, 2014 05:05 AM (BZAd3)

240 Let the fucking turtle die

Posted by: Fritz at April 11, 2014 08:59 AM (UzPAd)

If the turtle did more fucking there wouldn't be a problem.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2014 05:05 AM (QFxY5)

241 Yep, if this is what they're talking about it is just a subspecies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_box_turtle

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 05:06 AM (HDwDg)

242 Can someone please tell me how cattle grazing on this land affects the damn turtle?

Maybe they'll eat the turtles! Hey, that one cow ate that chicken...

Posted by: Mainah at April 11, 2014 09:03 AM (659DL)



I expect  


A) Because cattle lumbering around could step on turtle eggs and/or baby turtles and crush them, and


B) Cattle eating all this vegetation could somehow affect the tortoises' habitat by depriving them of their own nutrition, be that plant life or little critters that live in the plant life.



Meanwhile, windmills eat endangered birds, but it's cool because   Gaia and shit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 05:06 AM (4df7R)

243 The Belle of Benghazi is not going to speak in person in San Diego.

Posted by: Politics is too political at April 11, 2014 05:06 AM (rCS6C)

244 If the turtle did more fucking there wouldn't be a problem. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2014 09:05 AM (QFxY5) YOU LEAVE THOSE TORTOISES ALONE DAMMIT!

Posted by: Xia Xia the Panda at April 11, 2014 05:07 AM (fWAjv)

245

It would be more believable, my queen, if you gamboled rather than bounding.

 

---------

 

I prefer to cavort.

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 11, 2014 05:07 AM (PFy0L)

246 We give the Panama Canal back to its "rightful owners"
We want to give control of the Internet back to "the world community"

How about giving federal lands back to the states?

Posted by: AE at April 11, 2014 05:07 AM (sSKe8)

247 ..It would be more believable, my queen, if you gamboled rather than bounding. How about a little lollygagging?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 11, 2014 05:08 AM (gzJJ2)

248 How about Catherine Engelbrecht?

"We filed an ethics complaint against Rep. Cummings in February. Today weÂ’re amending that filing to include this latest revelation. As I have said in my testimony before Congress; I will not retreat, I will not surrender, I will not be intimidated. I will not ask Rep. Cummings, Lois Lerner, Barack Obama, or anyone else, for permission to exercise my constitutional rights."


Top Men is not happy with all this untoward exhibition of a spine.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 11, 2014 05:08 AM (cgf4R)

249 The Belle of Benghazi is not going to speak in person in San Diego.

Posted by: Politics is too political at April 11, 2014 09:06 AM (rCS6C)



Because she's a g-ddamn fucking coward.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 05:08 AM (4df7R)

250 27 Levin started off his shoe by destroying the JEF's cartoonish view of Saint LBJ and how he blocked civil rights legislation under Eisenhower along with ManBearPig's bigoted pile of shit father, Slick's mentor, Saint Sam Ervin of Watergate fame and nearly every fucking other donk. He also pointed that Ed Meese endured far worse than the chinless shitstain whining to Resist We Much's clowncar convention ever went through.

Poerty, man. Sheer poetry.

Posted by: free tibet, etc. at April 11, 2014 05:08 AM (jAc/f)

251 I'll post this, and then it can disappear. The concept of balance and ecosystems is wrong-headed. There is no balance - it is a very, very slow linear adjustment. There is no artful balance of ecosystems. Shit dies and the rest adapts to the changes.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 11, 2014 05:08 AM (kZyv8)

252 Top Men *are* not ......

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 11, 2014 05:08 AM (cgf4R)

253 Shaved or unshaved beavers? *bounds off innocently*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 11, 2014 09:03 AM (mf5HN)

Oh, see?  Now look what you did.

Going to have to put the "NO FAP ZONE" sign up again.

Dammit alex.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 05:09 AM (x3YFz)

254 yeah, POETRY.

Posted by: free tibet, etc. at April 11, 2014 05:09 AM (jAc/f)

255 turtle fuckers.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 05:10 AM (x3YFz)

256 The Belle of Benghazi is not going to speak in person in San Diego. The Butcher of Benghazi is the preferred descriptor...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 11, 2014 05:10 AM (HsTG8)

257 247 We give the Panama Canal back to its "rightful owners" We want to give control of the Internet back to "the world community" How about giving federal lands back to the states? Posted by: AE at April 11, 2014 09:07 AM (sSKe8 How silly. How do you expect your betters to control you, you little serf?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 11, 2014 05:10 AM (HVff2)

258 Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 08:57 AM (IXrOn) It's the land. The power of owning heaven and earth and all therein. And every scenario gets played in turn for the earth, monopolize materialism. It has nothing to do with cattle, tortoises or cave crickets, salamanders or whatever else, namely US citizenry deemed fodder for abuse by authoritarian oligarchs. The EPA is merely a tool being used to usurp property. "Because I Could." (Clinton's "reason" for HIS perjury that led to his impeachment.) To hell with EPA militia SWAT Teams, and those SWAT Teams now enforcing every federal agency and bureau. May they turn on themselves; not us. With all the invasions from Mexico Drug Cartel with the Mexican Army in armed kidnapping of US Law Enforcement Officers, threatening every community in the USA through organized crime in league with our bankers and our own corrupt government officials for BIGGEST profits evah, well... One can pray.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2014 05:10 AM (/vO0r)

259 How about a little lollygagging?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 11, 2014 09:08 AM (gzJJ2)



Hmm... Lollygagging   would,  I think,   be more appropriate if one wished to linger around the edges of something while still looking innocent.  If one wishes to    genially depart from a situation in a deliberately innocent fashion,  gamboling (or perhaps frolicking) is the way to go.



Though I agree with @JohnTant that "cavorting" is certain fun, too, though perhaps not   in   quite such an    I-could-imagine-a-baby-fawn-doing-this kind of way. 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 05:10 AM (4df7R)

260 Heh. Todd Bay ‏@DadusAmericanis 6m Video of US Military protecting Americans at #Benghazi... wait... wha...?! #BLM turtles in Nevada?!

Posted by: RWC at April 11, 2014 05:10 AM (fWAjv)

261 I'm not against the Louisiana Purchase, really I'm not, but you can see in these land sovereignty issues a pretty good example of Jeffersonian willfulness. Congress, courts and applied precedent didn't have a chance to work out the coming conflicts, because T.J. just had to strike while his iron was hot. Then, "internal improvements." He truly was a Democrat and a Republican at the same time.

A lot of western territory-to-state transitions were real hurry-up jobs, to keep the lid on some hot buttons. Not picking on the West, either:  I'm in the Old Northwest, and that damned Ordinance was one of the great liberal scams of our history.

Like slavery (which the Founders thought they had pretty well worked out, until things changed) and the National bank. We hurl ourselves into known cause-of-war issues because they're just too good to pass up, and trust in posterity to work it out.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2014 05:10 AM (xq1UY)

262 *heart flutters* I'll just... I'll just be over here. In my bunk. For the next hour or ten. (SUCH LONG LEGS GUH) Budge over a bit. It's just. Enthralling. *stares in fascination* SUCH LONG LEGS. *whimper* I'm glad you will get a vacation, but will miss your cromulent analysis and deep understanding of the importance of Teh Pretteh. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at April 11, 2014 09:01 AM (4df7R) Eight hours! Oh, we're staying in the States this time and I'll have phone and tablet and probably netbook with me so *clings to your leg* I'll be around. A visual representation about how I feel about doing all the crap I should be doing at work to get ready to go on vacation: http://bit.ly/1kQkT9y

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 11, 2014 05:11 AM (mf5HN)

263 We are totes cereal you guys, the F-35 can do everything the A-10 can do, better!

Posted by: Air Force Fighter Jock at April 11, 2014 05:11 AM (Aif/5)

264 229  I have no idea what it would cost to store a herd of cow while working out auction details.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 09:01 AM (HDwDg)



Grazing fees to the BLM in NV are currently $225/year per cow.  The idea was to drive the ranchers out of buisness so the gov could steal the land. . Supposedly this guy is the last holdout which is why the gov is doing their damnedest to squash him.



So his 900 cows would cost over $200K per year which he could not recoup through sales.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 05:12 AM (T2V/1)

265 She's good. The IRS Scandal Comes Into Focus House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp lays out damning evidence of Lois Lerner's targeting of conservative groups. ... The final merit of Mr. Camp's letter is that he's called out Justice and Democrats. Mr. Camp was careful in laying out the ways Ms. Lerner may have broken the law, with powerful details. Democrats can't refute the facts, so instead they are howling about all manner of trivia—the release of names, the "secret" vote to release taxpayer information. But it remains that they are putting themselves on record in support of IRS officials who target groups, circumvent rules, and potentially break the law. That ought to go down well with voters. http://tinyurl.com/kn78r43

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 05:12 AM (IXrOn)

266 256 The Belle of Benghazi is not going to speak in person in San Diego. The Butcher of Benghazi is the preferred descriptor... Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ at April 11, 2014 09:10 AM (HsTG Shrillery's primary '08 campaign video ad BACKFIRES: who will answer the 4 a.m. phone call?!!!

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2014 05:12 AM (/vO0r)

267 We are totes cereal you guys, the F-35 can do everything the A-10 can do, better!

Posted by: Air Force Fighter Jock at April 11, 2014 09:11 AM (Aif/5)

Yeah.  LOL.  Except for that whole take off and stay in the air part.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 05:13 AM (x3YFz)

268 OH! they were so fun! Just ask them repeatedly if you can rub their head. LOL! Wish that I had thought of that at the time. Alas, gone they are now, like our youth, too soon.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 11, 2014 05:13 AM (HsTG8)

269 Budge over a bit. It's just. Enthralling. *stares in fascination* SUCH LONG LEGS.



*scoots over*     How does he fit them in those tight pants of his?   *dreamy sigh*




Oh, we're staying in the States this time and I'll have phone and tablet and probably netbook with me so *clings to your leg* I'll be around.



OMG YAY!!



Where are you going, if you don't mind sharing?     Somewhere close to home, or further afield?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 05:13 AM (4df7R)

270

FWIW ... cattle typically require twice the acreage as a horse. On the plus side, cattle eat the longer grass first - so they won't "strip" a pasture like a horse.

 

In this part of Nevada, however, I bet long grass is few and far between.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 05:13 AM (nv0XF)

271 Oh, see? Now look what you did. Going to have to put the "NO FAP ZONE" sign up again. Dammit alex. Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 09:09 AM (x3YFz) *cavorts*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 11, 2014 05:14 AM (mf5HN)

272 I'm speechless and intrigued!






Posted by: dananjcon at April 11, 2014 08:57 AM (NpXoL)


The real question is: are you wearing pants?

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 08:59 AM (x3YFz)

*


Eh...no.


Posted by: dananjcon at April 11, 2014 05:14 AM (NpXoL)

273 The Belle of Benghazi is not going to speak in person in San Diego. The Butcher of Benghazi is the preferred descriptor... Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ at April 11, 2014 09:10 AM (HsTG I noticed that article on drudge was dated April 4th.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 05:14 AM (IXrOn)

274 I saw Turtlefuckers open for Nickleback at the Centrum in '09.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 11, 2014 05:15 AM (zF6Iw)

275 Based on North Carolina Study: National Voter Fraud Numbers May Have Reached One Million in 2012 Based on a North Carolina study, where 35,750 people were found to have likely voted in North Carolina and one other state, the national voter fraud numbers from the 2012 election may have reached one million. voter fraud didn't change the elections...uh huh thegatewaypundit

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 05:16 AM (IXrOn)

276 Good ole Dana. Dana Loesch: If Bundy Trespass Cows Were Illegal Aliens TheyÂ’d Get EBT Cards & Obama Phones (Video) thegatewaypundit so true

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 11, 2014 05:17 AM (IXrOn)

277 Dump up

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 05:18 AM (T2V/1)

278 229. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 09:01 AM (HDwDg) 264. Posted by: Vic at April 11, 2014 09:12 AM (T2V/1) Were every jot and tittle of the grazing fee act exposed, want to bet this particular law abiding ranch that's been functioning since begun (~ 1850) is excluded through a grandfather clause? Regardless, the rancher has legal cause for grievance against the Federal Government. And his lawyer should connect with the public for support, and get the "best" legal advice team to back the ranch.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2014 05:18 AM (/vO0r)

279 @234 Again, not to recommend getting close, but if you'd ever felt an otter's pelt, you'd be coming up with some new nicknames for You-Know-Where. Mmm.

Turtles, not fucking enough? Again, get you to your zoo. They are the randiest creatures in captivity. Teachers are always herding field trips away from the display.

No, as human experience hath shewn, no amount of fucking makes up for "loss of range." That's why we have Government to intervene. Now your Danes will slaughter their excess giraffes and lions. Makes me wake up in a cold...sauna.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2014 05:18 AM (xq1UY)

280 73 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2014 08:12 AM (XyM/Y) Fenelon, John Calvin taught that God has predestined most of humanity to Hell and that he displays evidence of those few members of the Elect that He has predestined for heaven by showing them favor on Earth. It is pretty much mainstream Calvinist theology that God hates poor people. If your friend has accepted this faith, the logical conclusion for her is that she is a reprobate and that her current problems are merely an indication that she will spend eternity in Hell suffering far worse torments than the ones that are vexing her now.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 11, 2014 05:18 AM (PD6iL)

281 Horrible story about that crash between a FedEx truck and a bus   out in   Cali.   Ten people dead, five of them students.


LA Times:  http://tinyurl.com/obxdk3l



ORLAND, Calif. -- The death toll in a head-on collision between a FedEx truck and a bus full of Los Angeles-area high school students rose to 10 early Friday, officials said.



The victims included five students, three adult chaperons, the driver of the truck and the driver of the bus, a California Highway Patrol dispatcher told The Times.



Shortly after 5:30 p.m. Thursday, the FedEx truck crossed the grassy median that separates Interstate 5 here and slammed into the bus packed with students en route to visit Humboldt State University, about 200 miles north of the crash site.



The impact, which witnesses said sounded like a series of explosions, caused both vehicles to burst into flames. The fireball and towering black smoke were captured by the cellphone cameras of others in nearby cars.



Dorsey Griffith, a spokeswoman for UC Davis Medical Center, said one patient who was admitted to the burn unit died late Thursday night. The CHP dispatcher confirmed the 10th fatality occurred at the medical center.



Several other patients remained in critical condition at area hospitals. Griffith said another patient admitted into the medical center was in critical condition as of about 3 a.m...



Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 11, 2014 05:18 AM (4df7R)

282 Posted by: Vic at April 11, 2014 09:12 AM (T2V/1 And this here is the greater lesson to me. Government is desperate for money, they're going to go on a tear to find all sorts of fees and what have you to charge any producer they can. And this trickles down to the not-producers too. Aside for the $225 in cost added to each cow, every herder that goes out of business drives up the cost of beef. To a LIV though it'll all start so reasonably with "we just wanted to prevent overgrazing." (And absurd premise, since as I've been saying, spontaneous order is more likely to spring up than a tragedy of the commons.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 05:19 AM (HDwDg)

283 A lot of western territory-to-state transitions were real hurry-up jobs, to keep the lid on some hot buttons. Yeah, like those two filthy Scandi-infested incestuous twins "North" and "South" Dakota. If cartographers had any sense of decency, the two of them would be covered over with black bars on maps, just as used to be done for perps' eyes in crime photographs.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 11, 2014 05:19 AM (HsTG8)

284 Didn't our Morning Better post a link a couple days ago to Right Wing Sparkle saying that it's OK for illegal aliens to trespass because they are just trying to feed their family? How is it different for these cattle?

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 11, 2014 05:20 AM (LSJmV)

285 Levin shining truth on LBJ's legacy (everybody from Texas knew what a corrupt, evil, machine politician he was) puts in perspective who the real Uncle Toms are. The blacks who joined the dems in an ideology that was purposefully from the very beginning specifically designed to keep as many blacks as possible relegated to the lower strata of our society, were the real foremen for the plantation owners.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 11, 2014 05:20 AM (BZAd3)

286 Vic ... where did you find $225/year? Everything I can find is $1.61/month.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 05:21 AM (nv0XF)

287

We are totes cereal you guys, the F-35 can do everything the A-10 can do, better!

 

Posted by: Air Force Fighter Jock at April 11, 2014 09:11 AM (Aif/5)

 

News flash - a dynamically unstable aircraft makes a piss-poor gun platform.  See the multiple attempts to turn the F-16 into a CAS aircraft.

Posted by: steveegg at April 11, 2014 05:21 AM (o44nj)

288 Has anyone heard if there is official info coming out of that ranch? If I was with the militias there I would be setting up a huge perimeter of webcams, live-streaming the BLM radio chatter from a scanner and sending out press releases ever hour on the hour to every social media outlet on the net. A patrol drone with a camera would be a nice 2014 touch, IMHO. The media will spin this in favor of the gov't. Getting word out through other means, and thoroughly, is key... it will definitely become a PR battle the longer it goes on- pre and post firefight.

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at April 11, 2014 05:22 AM (WDySP)

289 @263 The Chief's Mess of the Ostfriesland convenes once more!

Some of my best friends are Air Force fighter jocks, and not one of them says that. A-10 is a frequent first choice of new AF pilots. They consider it glorious.

Again, I don't hear you bitching about the Invader or the  Skyraider. Why not?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2014 05:23 AM (xq1UY)

290 http://tinyurl.com/mzy23rj Utahns paying close attention to dispute between BLM, Nevada rancher statment from utah cattlemen's association http://tinyurl.com/mqerooj

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at April 11, 2014 05:24 AM (u8GsB)

291 In this part of Nevada, however, I bet long grass is few and far between. Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 09:13 AM (nv0XF) Yes, grazing is the natural phenomena of herbivores. And yes, cattle are less destructive than sheep and goats that immediately pull the plant out by the root to consume. But cattle are also "fed" feed. The issue of WATER and water rights is at play. Where agricultural and ranching have precedence 1st serve is rapidly being altered to suit speculative developers investments, building out where there is no available water for new suburbs. And cities/counties/States have NOT addressed the assbackwards approach. Prior to development, infrastructure! Build more reservoires PRIOR to developing land. Why should Las Vegas get all of Nevada's water and first rights to utilities when it is a late comer to existence? Right, grifter politicians.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2014 05:25 AM (/vO0r)

292 It is pretty much mainstream Calvinist theology that God hates poor people.





Not true.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 11, 2014 05:25 AM (oMKp3)

293 287 Vic ... where did you find $225/year? Everything I can find is $1.61/month.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 09:21 AM (nv0XF)



It came from the BLM site itself.


http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/prog/grazing/grazing_fees.html

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 05:26 AM (T2V/1)

294

My mistake ... $1.35 per head per month for cattle. Calves eat free.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 05:26 AM (nv0XF)

295 Hillary!: "Thank goodness she didn't play softball, like I did."

Admit it. You had her pegged as a Field Hockey type all along.
Hey, stud. If you were so good at softball, why didn't you catch the damn thing?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2014 05:26 AM (xq1UY)

296 To a LIV though it'll all start so reasonably with "we just wanted to prevent overgrazing." (And absurd premise, since as I've been saying, spontaneous order is more likely to spring up than a tragedy of the commons.) Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 11, 2014 09:19 AM (HDwDg) The same insane power mongers sold on eugenics for humans would do to cattle what has already been done to pigs and poultry. No light of day, no outdoors, no fresh air, caged for life in a concrete metal cage.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2014 05:29 AM (/vO0r)

297 No new post yet? Here, let me try. Relating to divine munificence theology... § When you spend your whole life willing to do the Lord's Will, and all the rest, yet end up with every effort failed, everything ruined, hope seemingly lost. even for that which you thought counted most to Our Father, like family... and you wonder, WTF, God?... ...there always comes that image of Jesus, in the Garden, all his efforts reaching ruin, about to be betrayed, his flock to be scattered, his body tortured and killed, his nation soon to be dispersed, his beloved tribe abhored for millennia, asking, Father, can this cup pass? His defeat became the greatest opportunity to demonstrate God's love, as we saw, to bring the Word to the whole world, so, the answer about the cup was, no. You know why we know about Jesus' struggle in the Garden that night? Only because, while his adult apostles snoozed, a young man hid in the bushes and stayed close to his beloved Lord that night. Thank you, John Mark! § That do it?

Posted by: mindful webworker - still here, by Grace at April 11, 2014 05:30 AM (Jh9QN)

298 Want to prevent overgrazing? Open more land to allow more rotation, and fallow period REPLANT the native grasses. Rain water collection/irrigation would help cultivate the native grasses in at least some fields.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2014 05:32 AM (/vO0r)

299 If the confrontation in Nevada escalates and results in any bloodshed to a federal officer, then there will be terrible consequences. Remember in the immediate aftermath of the OK City bombing staffers in the White House were jubilant that the incident 'guaranteed Clinton's reelection.' The militia movements that had sprung up in the early years of his term lost the public favor they had, and they lost it quickly. People tend to rally to the government when there is trouble, rightly or wrongly. Dictators throughout history have used this to consolidate their power. But, hey, we'll have the news media to explain everything to the public and make it right....

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 11, 2014 05:32 AM (l3vZN)

300 Vic ... are you adding the surcharge and non-willful numbers ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 05:32 AM (nv0XF)

301 People tend to rally to the government when there is trouble, rightly or wrongly. Dictators throughout history have used this to consolidate their power. = Until the straw that broke the camels back turns people against tyranny. For each American, there may be a different such "straw". The overall impact occurs further augmented.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 11, 2014 05:36 AM (/vO0r)

302 245 If the turtle did more fucking there wouldn't be a problem. Desert Tortoise Sex Manual: In Out In Out

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 11, 2014 05:36 AM (AHzA7)

303 This dispute between the rancher and the Feds in Nevada once more demonstrates an opportunity for the Republicans to distribute federal government owned land in 40 acre lots as Slavery Reparations. The new black owners of the empty desert can then lease it to ranchers, sell it to ranchers, keep it empty and receive no money while paying taxes on it to protect some turtles, contract with drillers to explore for oil and natural gas or build solar energy developments on it. When Harry Reid and his spawn come trying to steal the land, they will have a somewhat more problematic political situation if they are seen as trying to snatch away the product of long delayed justice and just the latest oppressor trying to rob black people of their birthright.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 11, 2014 05:40 AM (PD6iL)

304 301 Vic ... are you adding the surcharge and non-willful numbers ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 09:32 AM (nv0XF)



Had to check the chart.  I misread it.  That is $225K total for the year for NV,  The monthly charge is $1.35/cow per month or $16.20/year per cow. 

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 11, 2014 05:41 AM (T2V/1)

305 I can tell you, from being drug into a lawsuit with WA DNR, that it will do the rancher no good to take this to court. The judge will not hear any evidence or even bother to try. They will immediately side with the government and pretty much give them free rein. WA state law allows upland property owners to have a dock. I've been denied one for no reason and have fewer rights as a property owner than the folks that lease the river front. And I was not even involved in the lease. I purchased the land long afterwards. You cannot win against the government when they own the courts.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 11, 2014 05:41 AM (Lqy/e)

306 Until the straw that broke the camels back turns people against tyranny. For each American, there may be a different such "straw". The overall impact occurs further augmented. Posted by: panzernashorn A good point, but I've always been disappointed at where in the haystack that straw resides.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 11, 2014 05:41 AM (l3vZN)

307 That's how I read it too, Vic. Thanks for the reply.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2014 05:52 AM (nv0XF)

308 "293 It is pretty much mainstream Calvinist theology that God hates poor people. Not true. Posted by: grammie winger at April 11, 2014 09:25 AM (oMKp3)" OK. That was a bit of a stretch. Mainstream Calvinist theology is not that God hates poor people. Mainstream Calvinist theology is that God loves everybody but if somebody is poor, that is evidence that God is sending them to Hell to suffer the torments of the damned for all eternity because He predestined their fate. But that does not mean that God hates them.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 11, 2014 05:54 AM (PD6iL)

309 Mainstream Calvinist theology is that God loves everybody but if somebody is poor, that is evidence that God is sending them to Hell to suffer the torments of the damned for all eternity because He predestined their fate. But that does not mean that God hates them. Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 11, 2014 09:54 AM (PD6iL) I'm not even going to bother with a reply. Have a great day.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 11, 2014 05:59 AM (oMKp3)

310 When you spend your whole life willing to do the Lord's Will, and all the rest, yet end up with every effort failed, everything ruined, hope seemingly lost.

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Faith and strength aren't born from success, but failure.  A man is tempered in the forge of strife.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 06:05 AM (x3YFz)

311 I'm not even going to bother with a reply. Have a great day.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 11, 2014 09:59 AM (oMKp3)

lol... yeah, that one's unfixable over the interwebs.

Posted by: tangonine at April 11, 2014 06:08 AM (x3YFz)

312 85 One state to the west. Posted by: Gmac at April 11, 2014 07:12 AM (4pjhs) Texas? Posted by: Womyn's Studies Barrista 1 state west of GA = AL In NA (North Alabama), not to be confused with LA (Lower Alabama), although LA is closer to the coast. See Rocket City

Posted by: Gmac-Pondering the coming implosion, and hoping its 404care at April 11, 2014 10:23 AM (baiNQ)

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