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March 02, 2014

Sunday (Open) Politics Thread: Primary Edition [Y-not]
— Open Blogger

Here's an open thread to talk about politics.

To get you started, the Great Minds in my state of Utah have been screwing around trying to come up with a primary system that we can all agree on. They seem to have failed and instead have come up with something that no one will like.

Under the new framework for SB54, political parties would be able to keep their existing caucus system Â— where delegates chosen at neighborhood caucuses generally choose nominees at the party conventions Â— but would also have been required to accept an alternative path to the primary ballot.
That alternative would entail allowing a candidate who gathers enough signatures to appear on the primary ballot. A statewide candidate would need to gather 28,000; a candidate for one of the four congressional districts would need one-fourth that number; a state Senate candidate would need to collect 2,000 signatures; and a House candidate would need 1,000.
The signatures could come from any registered voters.
The parties would also have to allow unaffiliated voters to vote in their primaries and allow absentee voting for delegates at the party convention, according to sources familiar with the negotiated bill.

**Meant to provide a link to the full article here.

Awesome.

I know some people like caucuses, but I think they're insane. Moreover, this compromise measure appears to result in open primaries.

Double awesome.

Open thread.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 04:24 AM | Comments (58)
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1 Echo!

Posted by: Y-not at March 02, 2014 04:30 AM (zDsvJ)

2 You want to trade Utah's system for Illinois? Heck with it. No trade needed, you can have it for free.

Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at March 02, 2014 04:33 AM (nkPV9)

3 1 yoo hoo

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at March 02, 2014 04:34 AM (k8OtH)

4 I can't believe they've decided to make these open primaries. (Unless I'm reading that article wrong, which I suppose is possible.) What a stupid move.

Posted by: Y-not at March 02, 2014 04:36 AM (zDsvJ)

5 " I know some people like caucuses, but I think they're insane. "

~ Still beats Socialism and a president that has a drawer full of Nancy Pants !

Posted by: Tax Payer at March 02, 2014 04:37 AM (p6iIL)

6 Illinois has four donkrat lites running for the GOP nomination for Governor. They are predicting about 750k turn out for the primary on the 18th.

I think Wirtz must of delivered some extra wine to the iGOPe HQ

http://tinyurl.com/qfy7vvd

Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at March 02, 2014 04:39 AM (nkPV9)

7 As far as I can tell, the open primary makes no sense if you had a party that was interested in being an opposition party.

Oh wait, maybe I answered my question!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 02, 2014 04:40 AM (o3MSL)

8 What the what? I just got up and we're already on the third thread of the day?

Posted by: rickl at March 02, 2014 04:41 AM (sdi6R)

9 7 As far as I can tell, the open primary makes no sense if you had a party that was interested in being an opposition party. --- The only thing I can think of is that the GOP in Utah got pressure from our other party - the Libertarians - to make them open. There are issues with participation. Perhaps the younger libertarians are not willing to register as GOP but the GOP wants their input... ? I dunno.

Posted by: Y-not at March 02, 2014 04:42 AM (zDsvJ)

10 Yeah, sorry rickl. I won't be around later today and I wanted to get these up before the Book Thread, which usually goes up at 11.

Posted by: Y-not at March 02, 2014 04:43 AM (zDsvJ)

11 Politics should not be discussed on an empty stomach, so I'll be right back after polishing off some brisket and ribs.

Posted by: SFGoth at March 02, 2014 04:45 AM (9CBig)

12 " What the what? "

~ I guess you missed the Russian Invasion and our country's strongly worded response .
~ Birds in our backyards !
~ and a reminder that VIC does more by 5 a.m. than your average liberal low info celebrity voter.

Posted by: Tax Payer at March 02, 2014 04:46 AM (p6iIL)

13 Whoa! Where are you SFGoth that you're having that for breakfast?

Posted by: Y-not at March 02, 2014 04:46 AM (zDsvJ)

14 At my parents' house. It's leftovers from yesterday (Red Hot & Blue chain).

Posted by: SFGoth at March 02, 2014 04:47 AM (9CBig)

15 I know this isn't the book thread but since you're around SFGoth, thanks for the recommendation on Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler, The Age of Social Catastrophe. I'm really "enjoying" it.

Posted by: Adam at March 02, 2014 04:52 AM (Aif/5)

16 Liars!!! But we knew that. They told me they were gonna talk about Ukraine. So far,,, the Oscars. The. Freaking. Oscars.

Posted by: teej-who must be doing pretty much everything wrong at March 02, 2014 04:53 AM (M3APu)

17 Then we have this .
http://tinyurl.com/oktvmbj

" Democratic Â‘factivistsÂ’ "
When a word includes ' ivists '
you know the lies are about to roll .

Posted by: Tax Payer at March 02, 2014 04:55 AM (p6iIL)

18 I don't like open primaries. With closed primaries, Republican voters have the incentive to vote for the best R in the primary, and Democrat voters will vote for the best D. Open primaries allow for mischief. Republican voters could vote for the weakest D with an eye toward the general election, and vice versa. If enough voters do that, you could end up with both parties having substandard candidates in the general election. Sort of a "race to the bottom".

Posted by: rickl at March 02, 2014 04:56 AM (sdi6R)

19 15 I know this isn't the book thread but since you're around SFGoth, thanks for the recommendation on Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler, The Age of Social Catastrophe. I'm really "enjoying" it. Posted by: Adam

Hey thanks!

Posted by: SFGoth at March 02, 2014 04:57 AM (9CBig)

20 factivists. Oh brother. Everyday it's something more outrageous. These guys wouldn't know a fact if it flew up their ass.

Posted by: freaked at March 02, 2014 04:59 AM (JdEZJ)

21 Oh ffs, we have a woodpecker (likely a flicker, actually) hammering away on our aluminum siding while I'm tryign to let the mister sleep in!

Posted by: Y-not at March 02, 2014 05:00 AM (zDsvJ)

22 Caucuses are crap. They allow one group with a lot of free people to railroad them. That's how Laup 'Nor wins Iowa.

The bets system would be a regular primary with a runoff for the top two candidates. As for cross voting, if your State doesn't allow a closed primary then do what my State does, you can vote in one or the other but not both. And once you vote in one that is the one you are stuck with if a run-off occurs.

That doesn't prevent mischief by a Party crossing over if they have no primary due to an incumbent but it limits it for other times.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 02, 2014 05:01 AM (T2V/1)

23 This is the kind of politics that makes my head hurt. This is why I never consider running for office. That and I expect if I did win the whole system would inevitably corrupt me.

Posted by: BornLib at March 02, 2014 05:02 AM (zpNwC)

24 Must Viewing - Wherein Babs ('Call Me Senator') Boxer gets her comeuppance........with a VENGEANCE. PLEASE watch this (short) video to the end; it's WELL worthwhile!

Posted by: alwyr at March 02, 2014 05:08 AM (V0j3u)

25 Sorry! Here's the URL Must Viewing - Wherein Babs ('Call Me Senator') Boxer gets her comeuppance........with a VENGEANCE. PLEASE watch this (short) video to the end; it's WELL worthwhile! http://youtu.be/ixiYZ9DPk8o

Posted by: alwyr at March 02, 2014 05:09 AM (V0j3u)

26 If hating Zero was an Olympic sport, I would be captain of America's team.

Thoughts on FL-13, anybody?

Posted by: mnw at March 02, 2014 05:16 AM (68RU9)

27 Wherein Babs ('Call Me Senator') Boxer gets her comeuppance........with a VENGEANCE. Â— alwyr Thanks for the link to that classic. I needed the smile.

Posted by: mindful webworker - videographer sans software at March 02, 2014 05:20 AM (Vs6FA)

28 Yes, Nick Searcy! is in the Babs video, by the way. That alone should be incentive enough.

Posted by: .87c at March 02, 2014 05:20 AM (rodq5)

29 Sorry, it's early, I meant Internationally Recognized, Peabody award-winning Star of Film and Television, Nick Searcy. He worked so hard for that title.

Posted by: .87c at March 02, 2014 05:21 AM (rodq5)

30 Jawa Report makes a good point: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/217788.php Sandcrawler PSA: The A-10 Was Designed for Use Against Columns of Russian Tanks And APCs

Posted by: Y-not at March 02, 2014 05:30 AM (zDsvJ)

31 How weird. In my state, anyone can file for any race, any party. The parties don't recruit all the candidates. It's more like people recruit themselves, because who wants to do through all that shit? It's a real hassle & it's hard to talk anyone sane into doing it.

Posted by: Lady Billingsgate at March 02, 2014 05:30 AM (Z/CZB)

32 Do we have any A-10 pilots around here?

Posted by: Y-not at March 02, 2014 05:31 AM (zDsvJ)

33 33 How weird. In my state, anyone can file for any race, any party. The parties don't recruit all the candidates. --- Do you have two viable parties or one? I think that in states where a single party dominates, you get more party control/involvement in the candidate selection process. At least, that was my impression in Maryland and Utah.

Posted by: Y-not at March 02, 2014 05:33 AM (zDsvJ)

34 Getting on the ballot for president is something else though. When you have caucuses the Paulbots try to take over, and then snivel for years after when they fail.

Posted by: Lady Billingsgate at March 02, 2014 05:33 AM (Z/CZB)

35 35 Do you have two viable parties or one?

We're quite purple. A map here at Ace the other day shows Montana as solid red, but the west is very blue. A real mess! So yeah maybe you're right.

Posted by: Lady Billingsgate at March 02, 2014 05:34 AM (Z/CZB)

36 It's officially the first day of spring in my world. Put away Goldwind's winter blankets, let him out to visit the pony this morning, filled both troughs, yup, the winter regimen at the barn has been stowed for hopefully 8-9 months, we're on the summer system now. Of course I made this decision unilaterally this morning, so if it gets cold again I'm the idiot, but I'm betting on the side that gets the horse more outdoors time, he's getting old, should enjoy every day he can.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 02, 2014 05:35 AM (ZshNr)

37 Jim in Galveston is trying to get people together for a meetup in the Houston area. He's on the travel thread right now. http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=347551#c21847987

Posted by: Y-not at March 02, 2014 05:45 AM (zDsvJ)

38 Well, according to that sidebar note, the Obama Admin hates Eskies now. Why does Obama hate Eskies?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 02, 2014 05:46 AM (f8rB1)

39 Fox reporting that Lerner will be back in front of Congress Wed.

Posted by: Adam at March 02, 2014 05:46 AM (Aif/5)

40 41 Fox reporting that Lerner will be back in front of Congress Wed.
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Doing Lap Dances ?

Posted by: Tax Payer at March 02, 2014 05:49 AM (p6iIL)

41 Cock us! Definitely.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke and Lena Dunham at March 02, 2014 05:51 AM (/cUUk)

42 If Lena Dunham and all those Girls were laid end to end, I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

Posted by: Paraphrasing Dorothy Parker at March 02, 2014 05:53 AM (/cUUk)

43 >>Do we have any A-10 pilots around here? Posted by: Y-not at March 02, 2014 09:31 AM (zDsvJ) I once took a wrong turn in my jeep when I was in the Army and ended up on a range just as an A10 came over a rise to my right. They are really slow so you get a REAL good look at 'em. Nevermind getting shot up, he almost hit me. Will.never.forget.that.FUCK-UP.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 02, 2014 05:55 AM (wJtav)

44 I once took a wrong turn in my jeep when I was in the Army and ended up on a range just as an A10 came over a rise to my right. They are really slow so you get a REAL good look at 'em. -- Wow! IIRC there's a big "parking lot" (ok, airfield) full of them outside of Phoenix that we've driven by a few times when we've been down there.

Posted by: Y-not at March 02, 2014 05:56 AM (zDsvJ)

45 >>Posted by: Y-not at March 02, 2014 09:56 AM (zDsvJ) This was in W Germany near the then Czech border, 35 years ago. I was a Forward Observer going SIDEWAYS. The sound of an A10 firing it's guns is unforgettable. Sounds like the wail of an Oceanliner

Posted by: ontherocks at March 02, 2014 06:00 AM (wJtav)

46 41 Fox reporting that Lerner will be back in front of Congress Wed.

Posted by: Adam at March 02, 2014 09:46 AM (Aif/5)

Did they give her immunity?

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 02, 2014 06:01 AM (T2V/1)

47 >>Fox reporting that Lerner will be back in front of Congress Wed. Â….would love to see Lerner reduced to tears in front of the Committee, or even better - a smoking hole in the floor like after Dorothy poured water on the WW of the West.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 02, 2014 06:09 AM (wJtav)

48 Book thread is up now.

Posted by: Y-not at March 02, 2014 06:09 AM (zDsvJ)

49 We used to do exercises near the Czech border. One time our tent was situated such that we could see the few strands of wire that made up the "frontier border". That same exercise was when I saw a full-on real life Gypsy caravan and encampments. Must've been hundreds of them, headed into Germany.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 02, 2014 06:10 AM (ZshNr)

50 There used to be PA Air National Guard A-10s that would regularly fly over my neighborhood. This might even be an actual photo of them: http://tinyurl.com/kjzqvhp Luckily for me, they were just training flights. They weren't mad at me or anything. Once I went to an air show and one of them was on static display. It had the little bullet hole decals you can buy for your car. Sadly, the base is closed now. I miss them.

Posted by: rickl at March 02, 2014 06:11 AM (sdi6R)

51 Open primaries destroy the minority party.

Posted by: teapartydoc at March 02, 2014 06:13 AM (4U98b)

52 >>Posted by: Lincolntf at March 02, 2014 10:10 AM (ZshNr) I knew a Gypsy Chick when I was there. She was a real trip. The Rads called them "Roma".

Posted by: ontherocks at March 02, 2014 06:16 AM (wJtav)

53 Hey! That photo I just linked is now my desktop wallpaper. I have a Mac, and there are about 100 photos in my "Pictures" folder. I have it set so that the desktop photo changes every 30 minutes. It just came up, right after I linked it.

Posted by: rickl at March 02, 2014 06:16 AM (sdi6R)

54 Correction: There are 206 photos in that folder. Neat.

Posted by: rickl at March 02, 2014 06:19 AM (sdi6R)

55 Yep, Roma. They also called them a lot of other things, if you get my drift.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 02, 2014 06:26 AM (ZshNr)

56 I have it set so that the desktop photo changes every 30 minutes. It just came up, right after I linked it. Posted by: rickl at March 02, 2014 10:16 AM (sdi6R) I have the same setup with several hundred pics. Â…..and a really bizarre story that is the Gospel Truth. I have one shot of my mother's headstone along side my brother's because I now live out of state. A few months ago on my mother's birthday (which I hadn't yet remembered), that morning the first pic on my desktop when I went to my laptop was that shot. That REALLY shook me up.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 02, 2014 06:27 AM (wJtav)

57 >>They also called them a lot of other things, if you get my drift. Posted by: Lincolntf at March 02, 2014 10:26 AM (ZshNr) They also called US a lot of other things as well. So Fuck Them. Â…..come to think of it

Posted by: ontherocks at March 02, 2014 06:30 AM (wJtav)

58 Does anybody know if Ukraine, in general, supported the election of President Low-T? I know that most of Europe was enthralled as he ascended to his throne, but there were exceptions. Most Poles, for example, opposed him. Lech Walesa didn't like him. How about Ukraine? Also, see how the once great European powers kneel like vassals before the bear. Ukrainian "rebels" want to align with the EU. And what does the EU do to help them? Complete silence. Here, liberals, are your heroes. Total and complete pussies.

Posted by: RobM1981 at March 02, 2014 06:54 AM (zurJC)

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