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March 12, 2014

Political Hardship Exemption: Obama Administration "Quietly" Suspends Individual Mandate,
— Ace

They've expanded/extended the so-called "hardship exemption" by executive fiat again.

The hardship exemption now includes not only poverty or extreme personal distress, but "feeling inclined to vote for Republicans this year."

Obviously it's completely political.

[L]ast week the Administration quietly excused millions of people from the requirement to purchase health insurance or else pay a tax penalty.
This latest political reconstruction has received zero media notice....
That seven-page technical bulletin includes a paragraph and footnote that casually mention that a rule in a separate December 2013 bulletin would be extended for two more years, until 2016. Lo and behold, it turns out this second rule, which was supposed to last for only a year, allows Americans whose coverage was cancelled to opt out of the mandate altogether.
In 2013, HHS decided that ObamaCare's wave of policy terminations qualified as a "hardship" that entitled people to a special type of coverage designed for people under age 30 or a mandate exemption. HHS originally defined and reserved hardship exemptions for the truly down and out such as battered women, the evicted and bankrupts.

But amid the post-rollout political backlash, last week the agency created a new category: Now all you need to do is fill out a form attesting that your plan was cancelled and that you "believe that the plan options available in the [ObamaCare] Marketplace in your area are more expensive than your cancelled health insurance policy" or "you consider other available policies unaffordable."

The new "interpretation" of the hardship exemption requires only that someone state his belief that there are better plans out there, which of course there are. Therefore anyone can legally ignore the mandate, just by certifying this belief.

Obamacare will be on the ballot in November, as it was on the ballot yesterday in Florida 13. Jim Geraghty sees no point to the Democrats' spin that David Jolly "underperformed" in a Republican-leaning district (which nevertheless voted for Obama).

David Wasserman, House editor of the nonpartisan Cook Political Report, declared, Â“If Dems couldnÂ’t win an Obama CD with a solid candidate against a flawed R, expect a rough NovemberÂ… Bottom line: #FL13 result suggests House GOP still on track for gains this November, perhaps in 5-15 seat range.Â”
We know the real fight in November is in the Senate races, and you know whatÂ’s less Democrat-friendly territory than this R+1 swing district? The states of West Virginia (R+13), North Carolina (R+3), Louisiana (R+12), South Dakota (R+10), Alaska (R+12). Arkansas (R+14) and Montana (R+7). Those are all currently Democrat-held seats. And there are seven of them.
If last nightÂ’s result means that a halfway decent Republican candidate can win on Republican-leaning territory by hammering away at ObamacareÂ… then the odds of the GOP winning the Senate look very, very good. That means that the competitive Senate races in places like Colorado, Iowa, Michigan, and VirginiaÂ… thatÂ’s all gravy. Bonus seats. A cushion for the tougher set of seats up for reelection in 2016.
Almost hard to believe, isnÂ’t it? Amazing what happens when Democrats get to enact the laws they want.

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1 And Boehner Rolls Over.

Posted by: rd at March 12, 2014 08:24 AM (D+lxs)

2 It must be nice to be the King

Posted by: rd at March 12, 2014 08:24 AM (D+lxs)

3 What happened to the post?

Posted by: rd at March 12, 2014 08:25 AM (D+lxs)

4 First!

Posted by: Jen at March 12, 2014 08:25 AM (JqB3t)

5
Legally I won the contest but the Cock bro's manipulated the ballot box.

Posted by: Alex Sink at March 12, 2014 08:26 AM (nQjHM)

6 first? or comments are down

Posted by: Stone at March 12, 2014 08:26 AM (qRV1m)

7 Really wish we'd get one of these Republican wave elections in a year when the Presidency was on the line. Cause that 3rd branch of govt -- the most powerful one, the Judiciary -- keeps getting harder and harder Left with every lifetime appointment Obama makes. We really need to get rid of lifetime appts. Makes no sense in the modern age.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 12, 2014 08:27 AM (ZPrif)

8 Aren't these exemptions Choom is declaring the same things the GOP wanted to negotiate last fall before Choom and Reid said "no negotiations"?

Posted by: Titanium at March 12, 2014 08:27 AM (j/0FK)

9 also: In a cunning plan to lift even more people out of poverty, obama will force employers to pay OT to salaried employers!

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:08 AM (IW1TI)

10 Cruz was right it seems KILL THE RINO!!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 12, 2014 09:10 AM (OJLOy)

11 So, between all the employer mandate exemptions and this individual mandate exemption, the purpose of 404care appears to only be to raise taxes and force the religious to give out birth control and abortifacient drugs. Got it.

Posted by: AMDG at March 12, 2014 09:10 AM (eFytx)

12 The hardship exemption now includes not only poverty or extreme personal distress, but "feeling inclined to vote for Republicans this year." That, there, is funny.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 09:11 AM (IXrOn)

13 Juan McCain refuses to believe that poll that showed no love for him and says he may run again for the Senate (at Breitbart).

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 12, 2014 09:11 AM (HsTG8)

14 I demand to be able to finish my waffle.

Posted by: Emperor Barakakak I at March 12, 2014 09:11 AM (Aif/5)

Navycopjoe:

You could not be more correct!! It will be interesting to see the primary vote. Beating these entrenched senators seems a tall order.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 09:12 AM (tVTLU)

16 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 12, 2014 09:12 AM (PYAXX)

17 obama is like Goffrey on Game Of Thrones, minus the charm and maturity

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:12 AM (IW1TI)

18 Government by Chaos. Not much politically makes sense anymore. Maybe it does to someone brighter than me. It looks like the party in power doesn't have a real plan, only a number of inclinations to flog about.

Posted by: tubal at March 12, 2014 09:12 AM (YEQ2h)

19 In a cunning plan to lift even more people out of poverty, obama will force employers to pay OT to salaried employers!

*blink*

Got a link on that? Not that I don't believe Obama's that stupid...

Posted by: Ian S. at March 12, 2014 09:12 AM (B/VB5)

20 I guess Ace did not want to stomp CAC this time.

Posted by: rd at March 12, 2014 09:13 AM (D+lxs)

21 And absolutely NO ONE will hold TFG accountable for this blatant violation of the law. Because "First Black President." Insert ATC Quote about "F those F-ing F-ers..."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 12, 2014 09:13 AM (PYAXX)

22 In before the scorpion!

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 12, 2014 09:13 AM (QupBk)

This latest political reconstruction has received zero media notice....

The DEUCE, you say!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 12, 2014 09:13 AM (zF6Iw)

24 Once again, playing by the rules is an economic loser. I really need to buy a house I can't afford during a bubble, stop watching my fianances and just beg Uncle Sugar for help

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 12, 2014 09:13 AM (HDwDg)

25 So without the individual mandate, how does this thing work again??

Posted by: Caliban at March 12, 2014 09:13 AM (DrC22)

26 Obama channeling his inner Rico...

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 12, 2014 09:13 AM (da5Wo)

27 17 Obama is like Geoffrey at ToysRUs ~~on Game Of Thrones~~, minus the charm and maturity Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 01:12 PM (IW1TI) FIFY

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 12, 2014 09:14 AM (HsTG8)

28 Obamacare is the whim of the land!

Posted by: votermom at March 12, 2014 09:14 AM (GSIDW)

29 Juan McCain refuses to believe that poll that showed no love for him and says he may run again for the Senate (at Breitbart).

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling StarsÂ™ at March 12, 2014 01:11 PM (HsTG

Since he was on Letterperv's dogshit show he may have gotten the trained seals to all clap for him indicating a groundswell of support in what's left of the addled fool's mind.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 12, 2014 09:14 AM (YbFCe)

30 The SCOAMF is a gutless pussy.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 12, 2014 09:14 AM (DrWcr)

31 In a cunning plan to lift even more people out of poverty, obama will force employers to pay OT to salaried employers! -------- So my old supervisor will be paid extra when he takes his two hour lunch? He was certainly at work for more than 40 hours a week, but he sure as hell didn't work more than 40 hours a week.

Posted by: Adam at March 12, 2014 09:14 AM (Aif/5)

32 no linkage Just heard it on the "news" during the break during Rush Limbaugh, Ian. And obama really did say that his plan would "lift more people out of poverty."

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:14 AM (IW1TI)

33 "Aren't these exemptions Choom is declaring the same things the GOP wanted to negotiate last fall before Choom and Reid said "no negotiations"?" Why yes, yes they are. Almost exactly. Oddly, the press is completely mute about this interesting fact.

Posted by: Buster McDissenter at March 12, 2014 09:14 AM (QLbhS)

34 And we are powerless to do anything about it. The media, who could report about it, are Liberal Democrats who don't want to damage their party, and the Republicans in Congress, are pussies, and won't hold up a budget or anything to protest it. Obamacare is an enabling act for the Chancellor.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 12, 2014 09:14 AM (bb5+k)

35 I'm all out of snark. Who can come up with new jokes when he unilaterally exempts people from the best and most necessary law ever 112 times in a row?

Posted by: The guy who's all out of snark at March 12, 2014 09:14 AM (A0sHn)

36 In a cunning plan to lift even more people out of poverty, obama will force employers to pay OT to salaried employers! Posted by: soothsayer --------------- * envisions salaried people (who have never done it in their lives) everywhere punching a time clock *

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 09:14 AM (aDwsi)

37 My jammie and hot cocoa budget does not allow for the purchase of expensive and useless Obamacare coverage.

Posted by: Pajama Boy at March 12, 2014 09:15 AM (8ZskC)

38 The Obamaites usually don't bother to hide their cynicism. Must be scared.

Posted by: joncelli at March 12, 2014 09:15 AM (RD7QR)

39 Obamacare is the whim of the land! Nice.

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 12, 2014 09:15 AM (QupBk)

40 re 19: http://tinyurl.com/p5wsq26

finance dot yahoo:

President Obama will ask the Labor Department on Thursday to issue tougher rules on overtime, which could lead to extra pay for millions of workers not currently getting paid for extra hours of work.

Posted by: Mallfly at March 12, 2014 09:15 AM (bJm7W)

41 Who needs an expensive policy with an incredibly high deductible? About as useful as zero calorie rations.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 09:15 AM (bitz6)

42 25 So without the individual mandate, how does this thing work again??

Posted by: Caliban at March 12, 2014 01:13 PM (DrC22)

It doesn't, and it was never supposed to. Destruction of the private health insurance industry and laying the groundwork for single payer was always the goal.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 12, 2014 09:15 AM (DrWcr)

43 33 "Aren't these exemptions Choom is declaring the same things the GOP wanted to negotiate last fall before Choom and Reid said "no negotiations"?" It was political suicide to push for those things. An MSNBC poll said so.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 12, 2014 09:15 AM (UjSt7)

Juan McCain refuses to believe that poll that showed no love for him and says he may run again for the Senate (at Breitbart).

I'd love to see that cockholster get his ass primaried and tossed out. Can you imagine the snarling press conference?

"My friendsh, you won't have John McCain to kick around anymore. . ."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 12, 2014 09:15 AM (zF6Iw)

45 Have I mentioned recently Teh JEF is a braying jackass?
Can't say it often enough....

Posted by: backhoe at March 12, 2014 09:15 AM (ULH4o)

46 Say, ace, is there any chance of implementing that "chill groove" feature you used in the latest podcast (very funny, BTW)?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 12, 2014 09:15 AM (HsTG8)

47 What's this I hear about Barry canceling mandates?

Posted by: Reggie Love at March 12, 2014 09:16 AM (FcR7P)

48 Cause that 3rd branch of govt -- the most powerful one, the Judiciary -- keeps getting harder and harder Left with every lifetime appointment Obama makes. We really need to get rid of lifetime appts. Makes no sense in the modern age. Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 12, 2014 12:27 PM (ZPrif) We lose the third branch because we lose the first and the second. Why do we lose the first and second branches of government? It's because of the FOURTH BRANCH of government which is a Liberal Democrat Monopoly.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 12, 2014 09:16 AM (bb5+k)

49 He did this because he's afraid of the effect on Democrats come election day. Does that make him the Yellow King?

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 12, 2014 09:16 AM (XUKZU)

50 obama thinks it's not fair for people to work more than 40 hrs in a week and not receive overtime compensation no, really obama has ZERO business sense, but what do you expect from someone who ZERO private sector experience?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:16 AM (IW1TI)

I really need to buy a house I can't afford during a bubble, stop watching my fianances and just beg Uncle Sugar for help

Now that's just being bossy.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 12, 2014 09:16 AM (zF6Iw)

52 Funny how they don't suspend EPA mandates in the same manner

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 09:16 AM (eoeps)

53 This wasn't the law we wanted. We wanted single payer and for all Republicans to be exterminated.

Posted by: Democrats at March 12, 2014 09:17 AM (tv7DV)

54 I have more hardship on the way for y'all. Trust me.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at March 12, 2014 09:17 AM (Dwehj)

55 In a cunning plan to lift even more people out of poverty, obama will force employers to pay OT to salaried employers! It's only for salaries below a certain level, so it's for fast food assistant managers and the like. Alas, no extra for my 50 hour weeks.

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 12, 2014 09:17 AM (QupBk)

56 Fourth branch or fifth column?

Posted by: t-bird at March 12, 2014 09:17 AM (FcR7P)

57 The hardship exemption now includes not only poverty or extreme personal distress, but "feeling inclined to vote for Republicans this year." That, there, is funny. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 01:11 PM (IXrOn) And it is the salient truth underpinning this move.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 12, 2014 09:17 AM (bb5+k)

58 Obamacare is an enabling act for the Chancellor. Posted by: D-Lamp --------------------- Ssssssssh! No allusions to the sick German guy with the little moustache. And, for the love of mike, do not use the 'N' word.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 09:18 AM (aDwsi)

59

We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House.

Posted by: John McCain at March 12, 2014 09:18 AM (Q6pxP)

60 And obama really did say that his plan would "lift more people out of poverty." Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 01:14 PM (IW1TI) You know, a savvy political party could score some points and votes by making hay out of Barky's "rising tide of poverty". The key word there is "savvy".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 12, 2014 09:18 AM (HsTG8)

61 Obamacare is not the hill to fight on

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at March 12, 2014 09:18 AM (Q6pxP)

62 Juan McCain refuses to believe that poll that showed no love for him and says he may run again for the Senate (at Breitbart).

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After all, he is the Republican that Dems and the media (but I repeat myself) love.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 12, 2014 09:18 AM (XUKZU)

63 Wow..... just..... wow.... We are now officially a Banana Republic...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2014 09:18 AM (84gbM)

64 So my old supervisor will be paid extra when he takes his two hour lunch?

He was certainly at work for more than 40 hours a week, but he sure as hell didn't work more than 40 hours a week.

Posted by: Adam at March 12, 2014 01:14 PM (Aif/5)

Mine had a patented method for propping himself up over his iPad while he slept.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 12, 2014 09:19 AM (kXoT0)

65 Fourth branch or fifth column? Posted by: t-bird -------------------- ... or, Fellow Travelers. Of course, those are not exclusive.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 09:19 AM (aDwsi)

66 This leaves who holding the bag, exactly? The majority won't know this happened, but, then again, the majority still does not know there was a mandate.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 09:19 AM (IXrOn)

67 Posted by: Mallfly at March 12, 2014 01:15 PM (bJm7W) Prepare for the backfire baby! Lots of states are passing "flexibility" rules which let you take your hours overage as "comp time" which is like Vacation, but usually expires after some time. And places can force you to take the comp time over the time and a half as well (because you're still be compensated for the work.) That and this will likely cause more scaleback to 32 hours a week as a buffer (if someone is no longer salary why not treat them like hourly.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 12, 2014 09:19 AM (HDwDg)

68 And obama really did say that his plan would "lift more people out of poverty."

Of course.

More pay -> higher income taxes -> he can hand out more free shit for people who don't work.

It's SCIENCE!, wingnuts!

* envisions salaried people (who have never done it in their lives) everywhere punching a time clock *

I've never once in my salaried life not had to report my time spent.

Posted by: HR at March 12, 2014 09:19 AM (ZKzrr)

69 Obamacare is the whim of the land!

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Obama's superpower is a whim of iron.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 12, 2014 09:19 AM (XUKZU)

70 It's only for salaries below a certain level, so it's for fast food assistant managers and the like. Alas, no extra for my 50 hour weeks.

Posted by: toby928Â© embraces tribalism at March 12, 2014 01:17 PM (QupBk)

And once I require that all salaries above that level be reduced to that level, you'll get your overtime!

You're welcome.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 12, 2014 09:19 AM (tv7DV)

71 It doesn't, and it was never supposed to. Destruction of the private health insurance industry and laying the groundwork for single payer was always the goal. You might want to demonstrate competence in running 404Care before you attempt Single Payer. Otherwise the pitchforks may come out.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 12, 2014 09:20 AM (xorT2)

72 It's only for salaries below a certain level, so it's for fast food assistant managers and the like. Alas, no extra for my 50 hour weeks. Ahhh, so what you're saying is that it's only a govt-imposed raise aimed at those most likely to support obama. As I said, cunning.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:20 AM (IW1TI)

73 @11 - well that, and nationalizing the Federal Student Loan industry. Obamacare is expecting a lot of money from that boondoggle - they're in for a rude awakening when all of those Wymyn's/Transgender Studies and Bodily Fluid Arts majors can't find a job and start defaulting on their loans in record numbers. Those insurance companies who think they're going to be getting reimbursed for all of those policies that aren't being bought are gonna be in for a rude awakening when they realize they're not EVER going to be getting repaid. This crew in power right now just loves to keep moving the goalposts....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at March 12, 2014 09:21 AM (PZ6/M)

74 I've never once in my salaried life not had to report my time spent.

Posted by: HR at March 12, 2014 01:19 PM (ZKzrr)

Salaried here for a long time and at every job that I have ever had, I have had to report every quarter hour so that it could be billed to a project

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 12, 2014 09:21 AM (kXoT0)

75 Well of course salaried people who work extra hours should get overtime pay... Oh.... and did I mention that Pressidentin is a 24 hour a day job?

Posted by: Barry S looks at his bank account.... at March 12, 2014 09:21 AM (84gbM)

76 I have more hardship on the way for y'all. Trust me. Posted by: Prez'nit 404 --------------- "Barack Will Never Allow You to Go Back to Your Lives as Usual." - The Moocher

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 09:21 AM (aDwsi)

77 63 Wow..... just..... wow.... We are now officially a Banana Republic... Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2014 01:18 PM (84gbM) And I know two people who work for two different banana importing firms (Chiquita and Dole)! Man, I am so in like Flynn in this Brave New World Order!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 12, 2014 09:21 AM (HsTG8)

78 The attorneys and paralegals here will love getting some OT, I'm sure. More billable hours! We on the support staff, not so much...there's been an OT ban (except for dire circumstances) for years now.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at March 12, 2014 09:22 AM (YmPwQ)

79 So, he's suspended everything but the taxes.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 12, 2014 09:22 AM (1Y+hH)

80 obama has ZERO business sense, but what do you expect from someone who ZERO private sector experience? Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 01:16 PM (IW1TI) I protest this mischaracterization of our President's work experience. He worked at Baskin Robbins as an ice cream Jerk. Probably the only job he's ever held which fit his intellectual capabilities.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 12, 2014 09:22 AM (bb5+k)

81 Wake vs. ND a good game early, lots of hustle plays, Wake up 15-13 after 8 mins.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 12, 2014 09:22 AM (ZshNr)

82 Confused: Who do you certify your belief to to be exempt? Does it make any difference if my insurance was already canceled? Cause it was. My insurance company already got rid of my old insurance plan cause Obama ordered them to. How does this change anything? My old plan is dead and gone. Doesn't seem to matter what I certify to who, it's not coming back.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 09:22 AM (ZPrif)

83 Let me ask a question....

Does this new delay mean that some people could be going up to 2 years without any health insurance at all?

If so, then someone in the GOP needs to be cutting an ad right now.

Posted by: EC at March 12, 2014 09:23 AM (GQ8sn)

84 >>>The new "interpretation" of the hardship exemption requires only that someone state his belief that there are better plans out there, which of course there are. Therefore anyone can legally ignore the mandate, just by certifying this belief *CLONG* <- stainless steel handkerchief The formal note is always handwritten

Posted by: Politeness Man at March 12, 2014 09:23 AM (KgN8K)

85 So what about the 30-40 million who were uninsured before Obamicide and are still uninsured after? That is one of the idiocies of the whole "law" that makes me crazy.

Posted by: Mustbequantum at March 12, 2014 09:23 AM (MIKMs)

86 56 Fourth branch or fifth column? Posted by: t-bird at March 12, 2014 01:17 PM (FcR7P) Yes.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 12, 2014 09:23 AM (bb5+k)

87 HOW could the preznit suppress the rights of womyns to access lifesaving birth control like that?

What? No I'm not up for election in this cycle.

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at March 12, 2014 09:23 AM (Q6pxP)

88 All of this shit is exhausting me. It seems like virtually everything I hold dear is under assault. For at least 6 years, actually longer. Like being under siege, or being a citizen of the old Soviet Union. A constant oppression. Starting to understand why people take to the streets, or the hills.

Posted by: tubal at March 12, 2014 09:23 AM (YEQ2h)

89 obama is so child-like, like all alter-boys/girls of Marxism, in his understand of economics and 'wealth.' He thinks that all it takes to make people un-poor is a wave of his magic wand and raise everyone's wages (or welfare payments).

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:23 AM (IW1TI)

90 This entire blog post looks Asian to me, but that aside the most important thing is not the House, or even the Senate, but deporting every landscaper and dishwasher in the country and spending less taxpayer dollars to do it. Harumph!

Posted by: Sharron Angle at March 12, 2014 09:23 AM (pmsMR)

91 Another worrisome name has been found on the Malaysian flight passenger list. Waldo.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 12, 2014 09:23 AM (1Y+hH)

92 Ssssssssh! No allusions to the sick German guy with the little moustache. And, for the love of mike, do not use the 'N' word. Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 01:18 PM (aDwsi) Are you talking about that Socialist with the brownshirts and the racial obsession?

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 12, 2014 09:24 AM (bb5+k)

93 "Now all you need to do is fill out a form. . ."

How many people know this, and what happens if you don't fill out the form?

Posted by: Johns J. Johnsen at March 12, 2014 09:24 AM (DkF4L)

94 And I commented before I read post 70. Never mind.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at March 12, 2014 09:24 AM (YmPwQ)

95 Obama will lift people out of poverty...and dump them into complete penury.

Posted by: JEM at March 12, 2014 09:25 AM (o+SC1)

96 It's a mandate! It's a tax! Until it isn't!

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 12, 2014 09:25 AM (jlm/B)

97 89 obama is so child-like, like all alter-boys/girls of Marxism, in his understand of economics and 'wealth.' Marxism - it's not just for trannies anymore!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 12, 2014 09:25 AM (HsTG8)

I should get an exemption because I was late to this post.

So....FIRST!

Posted by: Roland THTG: Bossy like a BOSS at March 12, 2014 09:25 AM (QM5S2)

99 Enjoy your $10 Big Mac.

Posted by: McDonalds at March 12, 2014 09:25 AM (Aif/5)

100 Sherry McEvil, is it Counselor Sherry McEvil?? lol

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 09:26 AM (tVTLU)

101 Next from the boy-genius obama: Banning of the word 'poor'

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:26 AM (IW1TI)

102 My prediction? PAIN

Especially for my democrap colleagues running for reelection this year.

Posted by: Barry 'Clubber Lang' Soetoro at March 12, 2014 09:26 AM (Q6pxP)

103 ARE BRONIES EXEMPT??

Posted by: Vortex Lovera at March 12, 2014 09:26 AM (wtvvX)

104 I've never once in my salaried life not had to report my time spent. Posted by: HR ----------------- Depends or circumstances. I have (cumulatively) spent years of 50 hr weeks working on high-pressure R&D projects. Saturdays, Sundays, late nights. The management gave up asking for time/project accounting when it was explained to them, that while it would be possible, it would only add to development time.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 09:26 AM (aDwsi)

105 What's this I hear about Barry canceling mandates?

Maybe with you, girlfriend. His date with me is still on like Donkey Kong!

Posted by: Kal Penn at March 12, 2014 09:27 AM (B/VB5)

106 Fox News Politics ‏@foxnewspolitics 5h Confirmed: Obama to order #overtime pay expansion on Thursday http://fxn.ws/1fpEFUT Obama to order expansion of overtime pay for millions of workers President Obama will reportedly order the Labor Department to change its rules this week by requiring overtime pay for millions of workers currently classified as executive or professional employees.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 09:27 AM (ZPrif)

107 No, no, banning of the word 'rich' would be better. It's just not fair.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:27 AM (IW1TI)

108 Folks, just think of hardship as havin' some skin in the game.

Posted by: Slow Uncle Joe Biden at March 12, 2014 09:27 AM (Dwehj)

109
Does this new delay mean that some people could be going up to 2 years without any health insurance at all?

If so, then someone in the GOP needs to be cutting an ad right now.

Posted by: EC

Not sure why. The mandate is the bullshit part that most conservatives feel is unconstitutional, Roberts be damned to eternal hell.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 12, 2014 09:27 AM (Y/M/K)

110 79
So, he's suspended everything but the taxes.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 12, 2014 01:22 PM (1Y+hH)

And the intrusiveness.

Posted by: joncelli at March 12, 2014 09:27 AM (RD7QR)

111 That could really fuck over the economy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 09:27 AM (ZPrif)

112 If only Obama would suspend his presidency then I think I could support him.

Posted by: Fritz at March 12, 2014 09:28 AM (UzPAd)

113 I wonder if there's an exemption for being funemployed for six years?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 12, 2014 09:28 AM (0HooB)

114 This seems kinda bossy to us.

Posted by: Bossy Chicks Who Like to Boss People Around at March 12, 2014 09:28 AM (ZPrif)

115 Are you talking about that Socialist with the brownshirts and the racial obsession? Posted by: D-Lamp --------------- Democratic Socialist. Why, yes..., yes I am.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 09:28 AM (aDwsi)

116 Enjoy your $7 value menu.

Posted by: McDonalds at March 12, 2014 09:28 AM (Aif/5)

117

Obama to order expansion of overtime pay for millions of workers
President Obama will reportedly order the Labor Department to change its rules this week by requiring overtime pay for millions of workers currently classified as executive or professional employees.

Hell, if they make it retroactive, Imma retire!

Posted by: Roland THTG: Bossy like a BOSS at March 12, 2014 09:28 AM (QM5S2)

118 110 That could really fuck over the economy. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 01:27 PM (ZPrif) Given how fucked over the economy already is by TFG, we're moving into rape-rape territory.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 12, 2014 09:28 AM (HsTG8)

119 Is "flawed" the new word of the day. Sort of like "gravitas".

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 12, 2014 09:29 AM (ImNRL)

120 Obama to order expansion of overtime pay for millions of workers President Obama will reportedly order the Labor Department to change its rules this week by requiring overtime pay for millions of workers currently classified as executive or professional employees. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 01:27 PM (ZPrif) Like I said in the last thread, the businesses will just lower the base salaries. And, lower bonuses - which has a bigger tax hit, so yeah, less taxes. What dopes. Tyrannical dopes.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 09:29 AM (IXrOn)

121 If last nightÂ’s result means that a halfway decent Republican candidate can win on Republican-leaning territory by hammering away at Obamacare Don't worry some of the Tea Party people will fuck it up in NC and vote for a sure loser, Brannon, a guy with a guilty judgement for stock fraud. Cause? Tillis isn't conservative enough for them and they have "principles".

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 09:29 AM (0FSuD)

122 It's gonna suck for those GE shareholders when they have to pay OT on my multi-million dollar base salary.

Posted by: Jeffrey Immelt at March 12, 2014 09:29 AM (Q6pxP)

123 52 Funny how they don't suspend EPA mandates in the same manner

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 01:16 PM (eoeps)

That is the second thing a republican pres should do once we get one back in office, right after they sign papers repealing Obamacare. Drill baby drill! I will enjoy the subsequent explodening of lib heads.

Posted by: LizLem at March 12, 2014 09:29 AM (BF+2f)

124 President Obama will reportedly order the Labor Department to change its rules this week by requiring overtime pay for millions of workers currently classified as executive or professional employees. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 01:27 PM (ZPrif) I'm pretty sure this is how the government employee system works. OT no matter what the status is.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 09:30 AM (IXrOn)

125 112 There is. If you are under the IRS filing minimums you also don't need to sign up for O'Care.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 09:30 AM (bitz6)

126 He thinks that all it takes to make people un-poor is a wave of his magic wand and raise everyone's wages (or welfare payments). That's no magic wand.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 12, 2014 09:30 AM (0HooB)

127 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 01:29 PM (IXrOn) Obama has already said he'd raise taxes even if it meant revenue because "fairness" or something. He's all about appearances not results, this is just more bread and circuses. We're Rome in it's final days. I only hope to end up in one of the places that's not completely screwed.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 12, 2014 09:30 AM (HDwDg)

128 Not much overtime to worry about when most people only get 29 hours a week for some unknown reason.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 12, 2014 09:30 AM (1Y+hH)

129 I only have a few short months to rid the planet of American freedom.

Posted by: Barack O'Stalin at March 12, 2014 09:30 AM (Q6pxP)

130 Sherry McEvil, is it Counselor Sherry McEvil?? lol

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 01:26 PM (tVTLU)

Nope, IT Professional Sherry. Attorneys gotz nuttin' on us.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 12, 2014 09:30 AM (kXoT0)

131

Has anyone pondered exactly what they are doing here??

Yes Obamacare was supposed to destroy the insurance industry and private healthcare. We all know that.

But this is such an epic clusterfuck. The very name of the law, and thus the name of our SCOAMF, has become a laughingstock. And real people everywhere are getting screwed.

Are they really this lazy? This incompetent? This utterly stupid?? Perhaps our only saving grace is what a disaster the dems are. Surely the GOP can't figure shit out. If we do not take the Senate over in 2014, it will literally be the worst failure in politics in my lifetime.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 09:30 AM (tVTLU)

132 So is this gonna be like France, where the govt monitors employee cars in parking lots to enforce the 35 hr work week?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 09:30 AM (ZPrif)

133 Is sooth around? I wanted to make sure he was ok after passing that brick last night. I heard screams.

Posted by: CAC at March 12, 2014 09:30 AM (OQd9A)

134 Sherry: That sucks!!! Quarter hours! wow, you IT nerds do have a shitty burden there.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 09:31 AM (tVTLU)

135 So basically all this law did was to get more people on Medicare or on a government subsidized plan, make filing your taxes more complicated, dramatically increased insurance premiums and have the same if not more people uninsured.
Brilliant!

Posted by: lowandslow at March 12, 2014 09:32 AM (IV4od)

136 My colon is not a source of your amusement.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:32 AM (IW1TI)

137 That is the second thing a republican pres should do once we get one back in office, right after they sign papers repealing Obamacare. Drill baby drill! I will enjoy the subsequent explodening of lib heads. Posted by: LizLem at March 12, 2014 01:29 PM (BF+2f) I can think of other, more satisfying methods for exploding lib heads.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 12, 2014 09:32 AM (bb5+k)

138 135
My colon is not a source of your amusement.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 01:32 PM (IW1TI)

Words You Will Never Hear Obama Say.

Posted by: joncelli at March 12, 2014 09:32 AM (RD7QR)

139 "Aren't these exemptions Choom is declaring the same things the GOP wanted to negotiate last fall before Choom and Reid said "no negotiations". Just thought this bore repeating. All the data is pointing to Obamacare being the Donks' major weakness and the way for Reps to make huge gains. The results of 2012 was that Rombley was nearly mum on the issue and lost. Yet there are those who say (with no data or historical result to back them up) that the Reps must offer a replacement for O'care and that there just isn't enough political capital to spend on negotiations.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 12, 2014 09:32 AM (gBnkX)

140

Ordering the Labor Dept to change the rules on overtime will certainly help with the employment numbers.

If you want them to crash.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 09:33 AM (eoeps)

141 These new OT rules solve the problem of American corporations who won't hire more executives and spread-the-work... This is why my husband never makes it home.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at March 12, 2014 09:33 AM (Q6pxP)

142 Oh I just noticed the post title. Clever, Ace!

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:33 AM (IW1TI)

143 Arrrgh! Must flee! Delegation Doctrine will eat me! I repeat my often stated demand for epaulettes. I mean, if we're living in a third world banana republic, then there should be epaulettes.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 12, 2014 09:33 AM (VtjlW)

144 [i[So basically all this law did was to get more people on Medicare or on a government subsidized plan, make filing your taxes more complicated, dramatically increased insurance premiums and have the same if not more people uninsured. Brilliant! [/i] But they meant well. And by that I mean they didn't mean well.

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2014 09:33 AM (Hy7dS)

145 Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 01:30 PM (tVTLU) "There is nothing so permanent as a temporary government program" --Someone who I forget. The Donks know this, the bell is never unrung.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 12, 2014 09:34 AM (HDwDg)

146 And it's why the govt is so inefficient. I had a govt job once. It was awesome! Everybody just surfed the web all day. We didn't have to do jackshit. Whole time I was there we didn't meet a single deadline on a single project. Only downside to that job was if you stayed too long you could never work in the private sector again cause your ability to actually get anything done totally atrophied. Oh, you were serious about that deadline? You mean, I can't just kinda ... fuck around all day on the internet at work? I can't show up at 10 am, take a 2 hr lunch, and leave at 4? Yeesh.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 09:34 AM (ZPrif)

147 My colon is not a source of your amusement.

Au contwaiw, mon ami!

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at March 12, 2014 09:34 AM (Dwehj)

148 We're Rome in it's final days. I only hope to end up in one of the places that's not completely screwed. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 12, 2014 01:30 PM (HDwDg) I would suggest such locations are inversely proportional to Urban proximity.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 12, 2014 09:34 AM (bb5+k)

149

Nip sip:

Can we get Crist and Specter, asap!! That way we can have amnesty ELEVENTY!!!

That's a low blow. Former partners sued him in a civil case, he decided to fight rather than settle and he lost. There is no "guilt" it is called "liability".

Have you listened to the man talk? I have never heard of someone so articulate about history, politics, philosophy. Yeah, I'll take him over the GOPe hack running any day of the week.

But if he loses, we'll back the GOPe guy to the hilt. This is the defining election for the GOP. If they win the Senate and have the House, and we don't see some fucking action or worse yet they decide it's safe to go for amnesty whole hog, WE ARE FUCKING DONE. And they are done.

No mas.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 09:34 AM (tVTLU)

150 140 These new OT rules solve the problem of American corporations who won't hire more executives and spread-the-work... This is why my husband never makes it home. Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at March 12, 2014 01:33 PM (Q6pxP) Probably not the reason, harridan.

Posted by: tubal at March 12, 2014 09:34 AM (YEQ2h)

151 'Gravitas' Heh. It would be fun to construct a list of Liberal over-used words. Some have fallen from favor through overuse, like.., oh, 'paradigm' . It's remarkable how many key words flip my 'ignore all that follows' switch. Examples: Activist Sustainable

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 09:34 AM (aDwsi)

152 My colon is not a source of your amusement. Quit sitting on the company copier pantsless then & pressing "Email".

Posted by: rickb223 at March 12, 2014 09:35 AM (xorT2)

153 My colon is not a source of your amusement. lol.....it is now.

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2014 09:35 AM (Hy7dS)

154 Overtime for salaried employees?

That flushing sound you hear is what that will do to the GDP.

Posted by: grognard at March 12, 2014 09:35 AM (/29Nl)

155 110?

Flatbush Joe ?

They already have. Been looking for work since, Oh? 2008?

There are none here- not even the meanest. Real estate dropped dead about then. Businesses are still dropping like flies.

Posted by: backhoe at March 12, 2014 09:35 AM (ULH4o)

156 Bush changed the overtime rules also. If your employer claimed you were 1% management they didn't have to pay you overtime.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 09:35 AM (bitz6)

157 This is why my husband never makes it home.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi

-----

Nancy, there might be another reason.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 09:35 AM (eoeps)

158 "Aren't these exemptions Choom is declaring the same things the GOP wanted to negotiate last fall before Choom and Reid said "no negotiations"?"

Why yes, yes they are. Almost exactly.

Oddly, the press is completely mute about this interesting fact.

Posted by: Buster McDissenter

Odder still, the GOP's silence.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 12, 2014 09:35 AM (Y/M/K)

159 I repeat my often stated demand for epaulettes. I mean, if we're living in a third world banana republic, then there should be epaulettes.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 12, 2014 01:33 PM (VtjlW)

And the rope thing that goes around the shoulder. What's that thing called?

Posted by: Insomniac at March 12, 2014 09:35 AM (DrWcr)

160 a leash?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:36 AM (IW1TI)

161 Not a big Peggy Noonan fan......but.....her column was spot on the other day. Does the law even exist?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 12, 2014 09:36 AM (HVff2)

162 Posted by: D-Lamp at March 12, 2014 01:34 PM (bb5+k) Eh, well I had to hedge bets against chaos happening in my lifetime and the wife leaving me if we moved out into the country. So for the time being, the burbs it is.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 12, 2014 09:36 AM (HDwDg)

163 So, bottom line. Obama didn't lie you get to keep your policy and there are still x million without insurance that will use the ER. The young won't buy insurance, the insurance companies will fail and Obama will want single payer. This was and still is the plan. This cost us how many billion?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 09:36 AM (0FSuD)

164 You might want to demonstrate competence in running 404Care before you attempt Single Payer. Otherwise the pitchforks may come out. I'm not so sure about that. Look at how much TFG is already trying to blame everyone but the Government. It's the Insurance Companies' fault. It's the People's fault. It's fault of the States that refused to implement their own exchanges. All of that CAN ONLY be predicated on the assumption "We need MOAR POWER!" That is: the underlying assumption of those arguments is "Well, if we'd been FULLY in control, we wouldn't be in this mess." And people *will* fall for it. What remains to be seen is how many do.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 12, 2014 09:36 AM (PYAXX)

165 And the rope thing that goes around the shoulder. What's that thing called?

Posted by: Insomniac at March 12, 2014 01:35 PM (DrWcr)

Are you sitting down?

Cord.

Posted by: EC at March 12, 2014 09:37 AM (GQ8sn)

166 Miss me yet?

Posted by: James from Plains at March 12, 2014 09:37 AM (Q6pxP)

167 oy.... if a receptionist makes 500 a week, she is still entitled to overtime because a receptionist is not management.

and re 67: I believe that only applies to people who work for the government...

and now that I think of it, I beleive it is possible for a person to work overtime one week and get time off the next week, but they must be part of the same pay period and if you do 4 hours overtime in week one you must get 6 hours paid time off in the next week.

yeah, I've studied this stuff. fat lot of good it's done me.

Posted by: Mallfly at March 12, 2014 09:37 AM (bJm7W)

168 As Peggy Noonan said, is there even an ObamaCare law anymore?

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 09:37 AM (7ObY1)

169 And the rope thing that goes around the shoulder. What's that thing called?

Posted by: Insomniac at March 12, 2014 01:35 PM (DrWcr)

Braid.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 12, 2014 09:37 AM (kXoT0)

170

And the Computer Technician ... currently classified salaried at $500/wk ... is about 90% assured to vote Dem as a result. Same for the receptionist. Currently the limit is $450/ wk.

Look ... Barry's a douche ... but I find the rock-ribbed support you all seem to suddenly have for the Employer over the Employee to be quite enlightening.

Do you really think it's appropriate to place somebody on salary who's making the hourly equivalent of $11.25/hour - before they're extended the friggin' privilege of working unpaid overtime ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 09:37 AM (F3IN5)

171 My assumption is that O'blammer's Faculty Advisors think that employers will hold salaried employees to 40 hours, and hire others to do the additional work. Ain't happening.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 09:37 AM (aDwsi)

172

tsrlbike:

True, we'll have to say that those who have benefits get covered under something else. But the poison ain't too deep yet. There were some entitlement programs that actually got killed in GHWB's day I think.

Flatbush Joe:

You could not be more correct. so many of these jobs are total bs.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 09:37 AM (tVTLU)

173 So if there's no mandate, we won't need the extra bloat at the IRS for next two years either.

Huzzah!

Posted by: EC at March 12, 2014 09:37 AM (GQ8sn)

174 OT For those soccer fans (yeah, I know, probably only me, here). Barcelona v Manchester City 3:45 EST

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 09:37 AM (IXrOn)

175 115 Enjoy your $7 value menu.

Posted by: McDonalds at March 12, 2014 01:28 PM (Aif/5)

====

Bull. Raising the minimum wage for burger-flippers will add a mere 12 cents to the price of a Big Mac. Krugman told me so.

Posted by: Leftard Economics Buffoon at March 12, 2014 09:38 AM (YmPwQ)

176 And the rope thing that goes around the shoulder. What's that thing called? Noose.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 12, 2014 09:38 AM (xorT2)

177 Someone above asked how this would be affordable to the finances of 404Care, and the answer is simple -- It ain't. So the taxpayers will be forced to pick up the tab for 404Care, which was probably the secondary plan all along.

The first plan was to destroy the insurance companies so they could enact single payer (many of them have admitted that single payer is the goal). But grabbing another huge chunk of gubmint spending, fuck the deficit, has a lot of appeal too. And singe payer is a dead dead dead political option right now.

No matter that it hastens the end of the dollar and the economy. That's like a fourth or fifth level worry, if it is a worry at all for the Dems.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 12, 2014 09:38 AM (wNF3N)

178 The Donks know this, the bell is never unrung. IIRC, there was a little bit of unringing done in the earlier part of the previous century, but never in our lifetimes. I'm all for some rebellion myself. And with the Trillions of dollars of debt, we'd have the perfect reason to eliminate entire departments like the EPA, Ed, and a few more. Some enterprising group of people could make political points with this, should they choose.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 12, 2014 09:38 AM (0HooB)

179 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 12, 2014 01:36 PM (PYAXX) Many. People in general seem to still think the government can solve problems. Regan's great "From the government and here to help" line apparently is forgotten.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 12, 2014 09:38 AM (HDwDg)

180 I reserve my burning hate and contempt for the mainstream media. They let the country burn down because they like the smell of Obama's ass.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 12, 2014 09:38 AM (GGCsk)

181 Are they really this lazy? This incompetent? This utterly stupid?? Perhaps our only saving grace is what a disaster the dems are. Surely the GOP can't figure shit out. If we do not take the Senate over in 2014, it will literally be the worst failure in politics in my lifetime.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 01:30 PM (tVTLU)

As crappily horrific as an Obama admin is, I do wonder if it isn't a strange blessing in disguise. He would have run eventually, probably in 2016, and would have had eight years more of political experience and building connections and learning how to actually play the game properly. Hillary would have done everything he has done, but more competently and shrewdly. Now, should she win, she will be in 100% Obama damage control all the time, cleaning up his mess.

Of course, the blessing in disguise hinges on the GOP gaining a 2014 senate majority and turning the Obama implosion to their advantage and winning over disillusioned Obama voters and independents. That might be a hill too far for this sorry bunch.

Posted by: LizLem at March 12, 2014 09:38 AM (BF+2f)

182 >I repeat my often stated demand for epaulettes. I mean, if we're living in a third world banana republic, then there should be epaulettes.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 12, 2014 01:33 PM (VtjlW)>

Something like this Empress?

http://tinyurl.com/olxzpoc

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 12, 2014 09:38 AM (sjdRT)

183 Almost hard to believe, isnÂ’t it?

yep.

If last nightÂ’s result means that a halfway decent Republican candidate can win on Republican-leaning territory by hammering away at Obamacare

ah..therein lies the rub.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 12, 2014 09:38 AM (gorVZ)

184 Do you really think it's appropriate to place somebody on salary who's making the hourly equivalent of $11.25/hour - before they're extended the friggin' privilege of working unpaid overtime ? Posted by: ScoggDog ------------------ I think it is fair for the marketplace to determine the value of someone's labor.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 09:39 AM (aDwsi)

185 Ah ha! It's called an aiguillette! Thanks, internetz!

Posted by: Insomniac at March 12, 2014 09:39 AM (DrWcr)

186 31 In a cunning plan to lift even more people out of poverty, obama will force employers to pay OT to salaried employers! -------- So my old supervisor will be paid extra when he takes his two hour lunch? He was certainly at work for more than 40 hours a week, but he sure as hell didn't work more than 40 hours a week. Posted by: Adam at March 12, 2014 01:14 PM (Aif/5) I have a salaried job. Yeah, certain times of the year I kick ass and work a lot more than 40. But, then there is right now where I'm at the office but I'm Aceing it. So, since I have a great gig, I'm not gonna fuck it up by letting Barry fuck it up.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 12, 2014 09:39 AM (HVff2)

187

I know that certain words like c*nt and racial language is banned or looked down here.

Can we have a special example for Peggy Noonan as well. Holy sweet fuck she is the george costanza of strategy. Do the opposite!!! And then she knives our people in the back DURING THE CAMPAIGN.

Fuck conservative, I don't even think she's a Republican.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 09:39 AM (tVTLU)

188 >>>Political Hardship Exemption: Obama Administration "Quietly" Suspends Individual Mandate in other words, he lost.

Posted by: X at March 12, 2014 09:39 AM (KHo8t)

189 Clearly we just need to raise the minimum wage to $40/hr and require companies to pay double-time for hours over 20/week to force them to hire the unemployed!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 09:39 AM (ZPrif)

190 OT: Palestinians hit Israel with 60 rockets. Tanks sent into Gaza.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 12, 2014 09:40 AM (BZAd3)

191 I repeat my often stated demand for epaulettes.

Hrm, a tutorial.
http://is.gd/rBsaNt

For those soccer fans (yeah, I know, probably only me, here).

Did you see where Russia asked FIFA to kick us out?

Posted by: HR at March 12, 2014 09:40 AM (ZKzrr)

192 They let the country burn down because they like the smell of Obama's ass.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 12, 2014 01:38 PM (GGCsk)

And apparently the taste of Mooch's feet since they love to throw themselves at them.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 12, 2014 09:40 AM (kXoT0)

193 Posted by: Mallfly at March 12, 2014 01:37 PM (bJm7W) The law congress is trying to pass regarding the flexibility stuff is modeled after the law in a few states. And frankly, if I were a company I'd take deferred compensation over overtime any day of the week.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 12, 2014 09:40 AM (HDwDg)

194 Obama suspends 'the mandate'?
I thought the Supreme Court said it was a tax.
So now Obama can delay taxes with his pen and his 'phone?
Awesome!

Posted by: Johns J. Johnsen at March 12, 2014 09:40 AM (DkF4L)

195 Wage controls? And no price controls? I always thought the two went together like peas and carrots.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 12, 2014 09:40 AM (0HooB)

196 And the Computer Technician ... currently classified salaried at $500/wk ... is about 90% assured to vote Dem as a result. Same for the receptionist. Currently the limit is $450/ wk. Someone who makes a 9 to 5 receptionist salaried needs their head examined.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 12, 2014 09:40 AM (xorT2)

197

Obama is repealing ObamaCare piece by piece, all by himself. Because there is always another election on the horizon, there will always be a reason for more delays.

Watching the Democrats get skewered by the signature achievement of the Obama administration while that administration slowly kills the thing brings true joy to the cockles of my heart. It is the most awesome display of karma, Nemesis coming in with a graceful blow, that I have ever heard of.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sick of the Snowplow Bills for the Outrage Outlet - Bring Me The Head Of Al Gore! at March 12, 2014 09:41 AM (hLRSq)

198

LizLem:

I have privately thought that obama and crew would be the wrecking ball of all leftist institutions: big govt; the media; the schools.

The undercurrents of American opinion are interesting.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 09:41 AM (tVTLU)

199 Get the fuck away from me!

Posted by: Ballpoint at March 12, 2014 09:41 AM (pgQxn)

200 In a cunning plan to lift even more people out of poverty, obama will force employers to pay OT to salaried employer Microsoft was a big perpetrator of this. Actually, pretty much every dirty trick in the book, including a huge majority were "part time."

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 09:42 AM (IXrOn)

201 @148 I have heard he is a good speaker. See Jeff B rant in last thread. He was found guilty of civil fraud by a jury in Wake County which found he LIED to sell stock and ordered him to repay, his former CLASSMATES, $250,000 PLUS their expenses. Funny, his co defendant was found innocent of all charges. ONLY Brannon was found to have LIED to the investors. That will make a great TV commercial for Hagan. Explain exactly how you think a man found by a court to be a LIAR can beat Hagan? Magic hat trick?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 09:42 AM (0FSuD)

202 ScoggDogg -- the point is the market should decide. These heavy-handed government distortions of the labor market just make things worse.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 09:42 AM (ZPrif)

203 There is an intrinsic trade-off to being on salary -- some weeks there is not much to do and you still bring home a consistent paycheck. A bad example would be car salesman. There are better examples but I can't think of one at the moment.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:42 AM (IW1TI)

204 183 For that Immigration would need to end and all illegals would need to be thrown out. There is no free market for labor. There is a rigged criminal market.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 09:42 AM (bitz6)

205 Palestinians hit Israel with 60 rockets. Tanks sent into Gaza.

Hmm. Better fire up the spin machine, Val.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at March 12, 2014 09:42 AM (Dwehj)

206 This morning Chuck Todd interviewed Steve Israel (D-Lying piece of shit) about Sink's loss. Israel said at least 4 times that the district was R+13. "It's amazing that in a R+13 district, Sink only lost by 2 points!" Todd never attempted to question or refute him. Typical.

Posted by: jwest at March 12, 2014 09:42 AM (u2a4R)

207 Btw, did anyone do an analysis of the libertarian candidate in the Jolly race and figure out exactly how many of our voters got peeled of there?

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 09:42 AM (tVTLU)

208 Don't worry some of the Tea Party people will fuck it up in NC and vote for a sure loser, Brannon, a guy with a guilty judgement for stock fraud. It's clearly a lack of taste and discrimination when the customers just won't buy your soap.

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 12, 2014 09:42 AM (QupBk)

209 Reading the EPA article over at Hot Gas. And I am fuming. Fuck, are we ever fucked as a nation.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 09:43 AM (7ObY1)

210 LizLem: I have privately thought that obama and crew would be the wrecking ball of all leftist institutions: big govt; the media; the schools. The undercurrents of American opinion are interesting. Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 01:41 PM (tVTLU) Imagine the results being the end of the Dept. of Education... (i.e. teacher's unions, et al). Sweet glory.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 09:43 AM (IXrOn)

211 Do you really think it's appropriate to place somebody on salary who's making the hourly equivalent of $11.25/hour - before they're extended the friggin' privilege of working unpaid overtime ? Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 01:37 PM ------------------------------------------- I don't give a flying fuck WHAT you think is appropriate. What I work for is between me and the people writing the checks. You and the rest of the world can go fuck yourselves.

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 09:43 AM (Ze8oh)

212

Wage controls?

And no price controls?

Whip Inflation Now! WIN!

Posted by: Gerry Ford wondering if you miss me at March 12, 2014 09:43 AM (A0sHn)

213 And the rope thing that goes around the shoulder. What's that thing called? Posted by: Insomniac at March 12, 2014 01:35 PM (DrWcr) Does it go up? In which case it's an assault rifle. In the 40 watt range. Something like this Empress? http://tinyurl.com/olxzpoc Posted by: Muad'dib at March 12, 2014 01:38 PM (sjdRT) Ummm. Yes. bbiab.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 12, 2014 09:44 AM (VtjlW)

214 Oddly, the press is completely mute about this interesting fact. Almost as if they don't wish to admit how thoroughly this pooch has been screwed...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 12, 2014 09:44 AM (naUcP)

215 Wait until Obama tells the Dems running this fall to run on full repeal of ObamaCare. Give it another few months.

Posted by: Roy at March 12, 2014 09:44 AM (VndSC)

216 Palestinians hit Israel with 60 rockets. Tanks sent into Gaza. See.......cycle.

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2014 09:44 AM (Hy7dS)

217 193 Obama suspends 'the mandate'?
I thought the Supreme Court said it was a tax.
So now Obama can delay taxes with his pen and his 'phone?
Awesome!

Posted by: Johns J. Johnsen at March 12, 2014 01:40 PM (DkF4L)

Law of the land.... and all that, ya know.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 12, 2014 09:44 AM (BZAd3)

218 This is the quote I see from Brannon that tells me what a swell guy he is. "Voters need to vote in light of the obvious truth that no substantial difference exists between Barack Hussein Obama and Willard Â‘MittÂ’ Romney,Â” he wrote. Â“Understanding and applying this simple truth is liberating."

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 12, 2014 09:44 AM (ZshNr)

219 Oh Piss Boy!

Posted by: Daniel Simpson Day at March 12, 2014 09:45 AM (aA2hG)

220 Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 01:43 PM (Ze8oh Some jobs will always suck. They'll pay shittily and have bad hours and be backbreaking work. Such is life I suppose. Interestingly these jobs might pan out different if the minimum wage were eliminated, but as it stands, companies are trying to figure out the best way to save money.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 12, 2014 09:45 AM (HDwDg)

221 Do you know what I earn when there's no work? 0.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:45 AM (IW1TI)

222 Can you imagine the carbon footprint of 60 rockets?

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 09:45 AM (bitz6)

223 Fuck any of their bullshit forms... I'm 'a still putting "GO FUCK YOURSELVES" on any line that has to do with O'care onnext years IRS forms. I'll have nothing to do with this bannana republic nonsense. Legal consequences be damned. I'm angry as fuck. And I'm serious.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 12, 2014 09:45 AM (ZBjRZ)

224 Do you really think it's appropriate to place somebody on salary who's making the hourly equivalent of $11.25/hour - before they're extended the friggin' privilege of working unpaid overtime ? It is not my employer's job or goal to pay my way through life. It is my employer's job and goal to make money. There are laws that determine who can and cannot be considered Exempt (that is- salaried). As long as that law is obeyed, "appropriate" has nothing to do with it. And I say that as someone who did what amounted to phone tech support and was considered "salaried." And remember- the other option is always contract work, which employers will soon begin pursuing. Why pay someone salary + benefits + (now) overtime (oh- and employer portion of taxes, and so forth), when you can, instead, hire a bunch of I9 employees, pay them slightly more than their pre-tax salary would have been (but way less than your costs would have been), and get the same thing. Oh, and when *they* work 50 hours, you only have to pay for fifty hours, not 55. Which of these situations is worse for your theoretical $11.25/hr employee?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 12, 2014 09:46 AM (PYAXX)

225 Odder still, the GOP's silence.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 12, 2014 01:35 PM (Y/M/K)

Nope that's classic GOP-e incompetence immediately ignoring every politically advantageous bit of news.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 09:46 AM (o3MSL)

226 It's amazing that in a R+13 district, Sink only lost by 2 points!" Todd never attempted to question or refute him. Typical. Posted by: jwest at March 12, 2014 01:42 PM (u2a4R) Isn't the district numbered 13? So the dumb fuck just got his talking points fucked up? SAD

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 09:46 AM (0FSuD)

227 Miss me yet?

Posted by: James from Plains at March 12, 2014 01:37 PM (Q6pxP)

Bitch, please.

Miss me yet?

Posted by: James Buchanan at March 12, 2014 09:46 AM (zF6Iw)

228 And the Computer Technician ... currently classified salaried at $500/wk ... is about 90% assured to vote Dem as a result. Same for the receptionist. Currently the limit is $450/ wk. Look ... Barry's a douche ... but I find the rock-ribbed support you all seem to suddenly have for the Employer over the Employee to be quite enlightening. Do you really think it's appropriate to place somebody on salary who's making the hourly equivalent of $11.25/hour - before they're extended the friggin' privilege of working unpaid overtime ? Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 01:37 PM (F3IN5) Then place her on hourly and make sure she punches a clock and therefore doesn't get paid when she doesn't work. I worked hourly as a professional and had to negotiate just to get one week paid vacation per year. No paid holidays, no paid sick days. But I was paid for every 15 minutes I was there. I watched other employees who had worked five minutes over, STAND and wait at the time clock to punch out until that extra fifteen minutes hit. I wanted to go on salary and get rid of the time clock, employer wouldn't do for me since they would need to do for all. Make up your mind. Salary people get perks that hourly people don't, and part of that comes from the expectation that they don't get paid for every five minutes of work past five o'clock they perform. It works both ways. Hourly people expect to be paid for every friggin second they might be turning a finger for the boss. And then some.

Posted by: Jen at March 12, 2014 09:46 AM (JqB3t)

229 Btw, did anyone do an analysis of the libertarian candidate in the Jolly race and figure out exactly how many of our voters got peeled of there? Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 01:42 PM (tVTLU) I linked a piece earlier by Nick Gillespie, which was showing/questioning (at least proven in the Virginia Mcauliffe election) that the Libertarians are peeling away at Dems, versus GOP. Too lazy to go look up the link.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 09:47 AM (IXrOn)

230 Giving salaried employees overtime is one of the most colossally stupid and yet populist things that could ever be done.

Guess what, people?

You will *not* work overtime.
You will *not* get new hires to help you.
You *will* do the same amount of work
or
You *will* be out on your ass.

The people saying "Yay! Finally I get paid for putting in my 50 hours!" are the people who will be out on their ass, because they can't figure out how to fit their workload into 40.

Posted by: grognard at March 12, 2014 09:47 AM (/29Nl)

231

Then tell the guy that owns my company what a moron he is, rickb. He did it so that he can hold them over, or call them in, at any time to turn out clerical work on last minute proposals. And also to require the attractive ones to go to trade shows and high-profile meetings. All legal, all uncompensated.

They all make around $30k. I doubt they buy into the whole "hard work is it's own reward" thing.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 09:47 AM (F3IN5)

232 Posted by: Serious Cat at March 12, 2014 01:45 PM (ZBjR Same here.

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 09:47 AM (Ze8oh)

233 0. Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 01:45 PM (IW1TI) Good to see things snapped back into shape, but you got a little there still.

Posted by: CAC at March 12, 2014 09:47 AM (OQd9A)

234 My friensch, all together ...

Posted by: Sen. McCain & the righteous RINO rodeo [/i][/b] at March 12, 2014 09:47 AM (Y/M/K)

235
So Ostupid thinks that forcing companies to give lower wage workers less hours will lift them out of poverty. Genius!

*invests in burger making machine tech*

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 12, 2014 09:47 AM (gorVZ)

236 See how wrong McAsshole was? He said we would NEVER get the White House to agree to delay the mandate (wrong John! We got it, and for three years not the one we first asked for) and he said the White House would NEVER forego the penalty (wrong again, John!). What a douchbag, John McCain is-- no wonder le lost to TFG.

Posted by: Ted Cruz at March 12, 2014 09:48 AM (F58x4)

237 This overtime for salaried workers thing is gonna be great. Need a picture of a timeclock at the watertight door going out to the flight deck on a Carrier.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 12, 2014 09:48 AM (k+ddP)

238 It may not be exactly banana republic style but I think this hat would go well with epaulets.

http://tinyurl.com/pq98y4j

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 12, 2014 09:48 AM (XUKZU)

239 clever, clever

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:49 AM (IW1TI)

240

Nip sip:

It's a court case. Over an investment among friends that didn't work out. Many other defendants settled and he's appealing. You act as though he killed a prostitute.

If you can't beat Hagan, who lied on camera to all of North Carolina that they could keep their health ins., then you've got problems.

But, then again, I'm sure Thillis is pure snow, never had a questionable vote or something in his past. After all, what's his view on buttfucking??

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 09:49 AM (tVTLU)

241

'Ette,

From your lips to God's ears!

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 09:49 AM (tVTLU)

242 The new "interpretation" of the hardship exemption requires only that someone state his belief that there are better plans out there, which of course there are. Therefore anyone can legally ignore the mandate, just by certifying this belief. --- A functional court system would take one look at this "interpretation" of the law, throw this piece out and, due to a lack of severability, through the entire goddamn thing out. Of course, Roberts et all will try to deny standing on any and all cases related to this until Obama is out of office.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 12, 2014 09:49 AM (APuJ7)

243 Isn't the district numbered 13? So the dumb fuck just got his talking points fucked up? SAD Apparently, I wasn't the only one catching it. Here is a tweet that appears on Todd's feed: Chuck Todd Chuck Todd @chucktodd 8h @mjgon64 this district is only R+13 if Dems stay home in droves... It's not an R+13 district; Of course, he wouldn't correct the dem on camera.

Posted by: jwest at March 12, 2014 09:50 AM (u2a4R)

244 217 This is the quote I see from Brannon that tells me what a swell guy he is. There are a lot more goofy quotes than that one out there. The man pitched his stock to a guy's wife while she was getting an OB exam. Seriously. We need to de-program Mike and the other NC morons. Intervention for the good of the party and to beat Hagan.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 09:51 AM (0FSuD)

245 BREAKING : Missing Malaysian airplane found in Peruvia, cannibalism capitol of the world.

Posted by: Shep Smith at March 12, 2014 09:51 AM (slXFW)

246 > We really need to get rid of lifetime appts. Makes no sense in the modern age.

> Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 12, 2014 12:27 PM (ZPrif)

Such a horrible idea. Yeah, nothing would be sweeter than having Scalia and Thomas get term limited out with Jugears in office huh?

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at March 12, 2014 09:51 AM (ZWvOb)

247 "Odder still, the GOP's silence. " That's not an oddity, rather a sad commonplace.

Posted by: Buster McDissenter at March 12, 2014 09:51 AM (QLbhS)

248 183 For that Immigration would need to end and all illegals would need to be thrown out. There is no free market for labor. There is a rigged criminal market.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 01:42 PM (bitz6)

Rigged against Americans and legal immigrants, particularly young Black Male Americans.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 12, 2014 09:52 AM (kXoT0)

249 Hmmmm ... this seems bad. I think Putin is now claiming that Ukraine never legally separated from USSR. Tom Nichols ‏@TheWarRoom_Tom Now heading deeper into very worrisome crazy-talk. | Putin now claims USSR breakup 'illegal', void. http://echo.msk.ru/news/1277694-echo.html

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 09:52 AM (ZPrif)

250 They all make around $30k. I doubt they buy into the whole "hard work is it's own reward" thing. Because employment is all about getting someone to give you money on *your* terms. Lower salaried employees are presumably people on the make. You're giving the time for the experience and knowledge. If that's not to your liking, seek other employment.

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 12, 2014 09:52 AM (QupBk)

251 222 Fuck any of their bullshit forms... I'm 'a still putting "GO FUCK YOURSELVES" on any line that has to do with O'care onnext years IRS forms. I'll have nothing to do with this bannana republic nonsense. Legal consequences be damned. I'm angry as fuck. And I'm serious. Posted by: Serious Cat at March 12, 2014 01:45 PM (ZBjRZ)

*waits for NSA/IRS drones to descend on Serious Cat's house in 3...2...1...*

But in all seriousness, a feel ya. He's making a mockery of out system of govt and no one in the MSM cares, or they are BARELY starting to allude they might just care. Is enough to make any red blooded American's red blood boil.

Posted by: LizLem at March 12, 2014 09:52 AM (BF+2f)

252 Passive resistance gets results. When 300+ million of your 350 million citizens refuse to comply with an order, you either jail the entire nation or quietly shuffle your feet and pretend there never was a law.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 12, 2014 09:52 AM (zfY+H)

253

Serious Cat:

Hear! Hear! Irish democracy at work.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 09:52 AM (tVTLU)

254 @190 HR --Whoa! Didn't see that report at all about FIFA and Russia. Thought it might've been about Ukraine playing the MNT, but since the US played so poorly, didn't think that could be the reason! Then saw two US Senators asked FIFA to remove the 2018 WC from Russia and the 'light' came on...

And thanks to the upthread reminder about MC v Barcelona. Need to set a reminder.

Posted by: DishofRed at March 12, 2014 09:52 AM (Dmq63)

255 Has anybody looked to see if Obama has quietly suspended the IRS requirements for paying taxes for Democratic supporters, too !?!

Posted by: Donald Segretti at March 12, 2014 09:53 AM (e8kgV)

256 It may not be exactly banana republic style but I think this hat would go well with epaulets. http://tinyurl.com/pq98y4j Posted by: WalrusRex at March 12, 2014 01:48 PM (XUKZU) That is a pretty damn awesome hat.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 12, 2014 09:53 AM (VtjlW)

257 House Oversight chair Darrell Issa issued a 141-page report yesterday which clarified why Lerner was so keen to avoid testifying. In what the Washington Post called a Â“scathingÂ” account of her actions, the majority report from Oversight accuses Lerner of obstruction and misleading Congress, while attacking conservative groups and attempting to hide her activities from scrutiny: this is why Gowdy was so cocky hotair

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 09:53 AM (IXrOn)

258 Do you really think it's appropriate to place somebody on salary who's making the hourly equivalent of $11.25/hour - before they're extended the friggin' privilege of working unpaid overtime ? Posted by: ScoggDog Nice job using "appropriate" instead "fair". To answer the question, it's more appropriate than overtime policy by central planning. Don't like the employer's policy, don't take the job. No choice? Take the job and keep right on looking.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 12, 2014 09:53 AM (1Y+hH)

259 252 I'll drink to that.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 09:53 AM (bitz6)

260 Of course, Roberts et all will try to deny standing on any and all cases related to this until Obama is out of office.

Posted by: Brandon in Baton Rouge at March 12, 2014 01:49 PM (APuJ7)

Shorter SCCJ Roberts: "Don't mess with Taxes!".

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 09:54 AM (o3MSL)

261 Now heading deeper into very worrisome crazy-talk. | Putin now claims USSR breakup 'illegal'

-
Apparently Putin has used up one pile of dog shit rubbing Obama's face in it so he has to find a new pile.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 12, 2014 09:54 AM (XUKZU)

262 If Brannon can't tell the difference between an anti-American community organizer and a successful CEO, he's useless to me. Tillis has my vote barring something unexpected. Hagan is in bad shape, we'd have to really screw up to lose to her. Brannon sounds far more prone to being a screw up.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 12, 2014 09:54 AM (ZshNr)

263 Oil rig worker claims in employer confirmed letter-he saw the plane go down. Vietnamese say they found nothing

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 09:54 AM (zOTsN)

264 Isn't the district numbered 13? So the dumb fuck just got his talking points fucked up? SAD

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 01:46 PM (0FSuD)

Is it really #13? That makes my Hunger Games loving heart LOL. District 13 ALWAYS screws the Capitol over!

Posted by: LizLem at March 12, 2014 09:54 AM (BF+2f)

265 When I observed the burning (plane) it appeared to be in one piece. ... From when I first saw the burning (plane) until the flames went out (still at high altitude) was 10-15 seconds. There was no lateral movement, so it was either coming toward our location, stationary (falling) or going away from our location.

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 09:55 AM (zOTsN)

266 189 OT: Palestinians hit Israel with 60 rockets. Tanks sent into Gaza. Woah.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 12, 2014 09:55 AM (JQuNB)

267 It's odd that the President didn't work with the Republicans in Congress to achieve this same goal.

Instead we get a government shutdown from Obama for nothing !!

Posted by: Donald Segretti at March 12, 2014 09:55 AM (e8kgV)

268 I'm three states away from NC so forgive my ignorance but, is this Tillis guy some kind of loathsome leprous hunchback? With all he's got going for him, why can't he close the sale with the customers, er voters?

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 12, 2014 09:55 AM (QupBk)

269 District 13 ALWAYS screws the Capitol over! We are all District 13 now.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 09:55 AM (7ObY1)

270 OT, but apparently a couple of buildings in NYC have blown up

Posted by: Null at March 12, 2014 09:55 AM (xjpRj)

271 That is a pretty damn awesome hat. Which is larger - the bird on the hat or the 'stache?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 12, 2014 09:55 AM (0HooB)

272 263 Sometimes it's Legio XIII.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 09:56 AM (bitz6)

273 Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 01:47 PM (F3IN5) And who is making them work in such an environment? Hint: not your employer. They could leave for other work. Or, if no other work is available, they could leave for no work. They *choose* to stay- which indicates in their personal CBA "Employed in these sucky conditions" beats "unemployed" and even (presumably) "Find another job."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 12, 2014 09:56 AM (PYAXX)

274 With a Republican-majority Senate and House, and the new rules Harry wrote saying all you need is 51, Obama will be doing some vetoing, won't he? And the LSM will call it gridlock, won't they? Will two years of nastiness and vetoes turn into a win for Republicans in 2016?

Posted by: the littl shyning man at March 12, 2014 09:56 AM (2grFB)

275 in flames, going down, in one piece, off the coast of Vietnam

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 09:56 AM (zOTsN)

276 WhiteHouse denies delay Legal Insurrection ‏@LegInsurrection Sebelius: No individual mandate or enrollment delay http://nblo.gs/UIJEz

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 09:57 AM (ZPrif)

277 OT, but apparently a couple of buildings in NYC have blown up Huh...really? So when is that Manchester / Barcelona match?

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2014 09:57 AM (Hy7dS)

278 Which is larger - the bird on the hat or the 'stache? Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 12, 2014 01:55 PM (0HooB) I'm not sure. Both are impressive indeed.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 12, 2014 09:57 AM (VtjlW)

279 email by oil worker to company confirmed by Bob Woodward ABC news

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 09:57 AM (zOTsN)

280 It's a court case. Over an investment among friends that didn't work out. Many other defendants settled and he's appealing. You act as though he killed a prostitute. No one settled. It wasn't among friends, it was among former classmates that trusted Brannon. Obviously his petty Bull Shit is good. He lied about the investment and ONLY he lied. Verizon never said they would use his product, Brannon said they did. HE LIED. Why think about voting for a man found guilty by a court of being a liar. Hagan wasn't found guilty in a court of law of lying, Brannon was. Wishing Hagan, with 6 mill in the bank is just going to go away is foolish. Brannon is probably the ONLY candidate that can lose to her. Repeat that the ONLY candidate that can lose to her. So you want her to win? Vote for Brannon.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 09:58 AM (0FSuD)

281 274 in flames, going down, in one piece, off the coast of Vietnam Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 01:56 PM (zOTsN) SAM, is that you?

Posted by: tubal at March 12, 2014 09:58 AM (YEQ2h)

282 It's the Law of the Land*

*Terms and conditions subject to change at any time at the whims of Dear leader; however, individuals, employers and health insurers must always be in compliance or face fines and/or prosecution.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 12, 2014 09:58 AM (aq/zi)

283 267 I'm three states away from NC so forgive my ignorance but, is this Tillis guy some kind of loathsome leprous hunchback? With all he's got going for him, why can't he close the sale with the customers, er voters? Posted by: toby928Â© embraces tribalism at March 12, 2014 01:55 PM (QupBk) I'm from the Midwest, but I follow national politics. Not being a lawyer nor playing one on TV. I believe there is some misrepresentation going on with this NC senate thing. If the guy was convicted of a criminal matter is he serving jail time? Or was he found guilty in a civil matter? Big difference between civil and criminal. But like I said I'm no lawyer. But, misleading people about ones deeds or misdeeds is wrong.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 12, 2014 09:58 AM (HVff2)

284 Now heading deeper into very worrisome crazy-talk. | Putin now claims USSR breakup 'illegal', void. http://echo.msk.ru/news/1277694-echo.html

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 01:52 PM (ZPrif)

Good thing Obama is now more flexible after the election and not at all like that crazy white Mormon Republican guy that stated publicly that Mother Russia just might be a teensey weensey problem on the world stage in the very near future.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 09:58 AM (o3MSL)

285 Are the passengers in the Hanoi Hilton now?

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 09:59 AM (bitz6)

286 next I foresee the VN AF and the Malaysian AF pointing fingers at each other

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 10:00 AM (zOTsN)

287 Just got called by RNC wanting a donation on a RECORDED line, I said,

"Listen to me clearly, I am not donating to the National party because you keep listening to people like Karl Rove."

Then I hung up.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 12, 2014 10:00 AM (kXoT0)

288

This really is not tough. Brannon I think is far and away the better person. Better candidate, I don't know.

But Tillis was former speaker, do you think there's not a 1000 skeletons in his closet.

As to his quote on Romney, and this is coming from a Romney supporter and volunteer, I am sickened by Romney frankly. Obviously they are not the same but what exactly was Romney going to do. Repeal obamacare? Howz that? We don't have the Senate!!!!! We are powerless. And then his bullshit tweet about vetoing the AZ religious freedom bill.

Fuck him, just go ahead and vote for Juan McCain b/c freedom, war hero, GOP...

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 10:00 AM (tVTLU)

289 Wake up by 8 at halftime.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 12, 2014 10:01 AM (ZshNr)

290 Heh. If you recall, obama prohibited our Eastern Eupropean allies from having a missile defense shield. obama and h. clinton said they'll instead give them something even "better" than that outdated missile shield technology.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 10:01 AM (IW1TI)

291 We need a separate branch of Government to make the laws.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 10:02 AM (bitz6)

292 Posted by: the littl shyning man at March 12, 2014 01:56 PM (2grFB)

Good luck on the GOP-e keeping the 51 senator rule if they win back the Senate. They'll go back to the tried and true Senate rules that worked when only a few Senators were criminals in waiting.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 10:03 AM (o3MSL)

293 Nip Sip seriously needs to stop flogging this Brannon thing.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 12, 2014 10:03 AM (DrWcr)

294 Risk corridors, baby. Sweet, sweet risk corridors.

Posted by: Health Insurance Industry at March 12, 2014 10:03 AM (JQuNB)

295
The point of this obama overtime proposal is exactly what is happening here between scogg and others, its to drive a wedge between middle class and lower wage workers and businesses, then to use it in this whole economic justice crap the dems have going for the midterms.

It is NOT about helping anybody....but dem politicians.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 12, 2014 10:03 AM (gorVZ)

296 Wait until the Death Panels cancel all your concerns.

Posted by: Duncan of Idaho at March 12, 2014 10:03 AM (ML07Q)

297 Nip Sip , Tillis contacted me and told me he appreciates it but to tell you to stop trying to help him.

Posted by: Rick Enrol at March 12, 2014 10:03 AM (jl269)

298 For those soccer fans (yeah, I know, probably only me, here). Did you see where Russia asked FIFA to kick us out? Posted by: HR at March 12, 2014 01:40 PM (ZKzrr) tit for tat I think Two US senators have written to Fifa, the governing body of world football, to request that Russia be banned from the 2014 World Cup in Brazil and stripped of the right to host the 2018 tournament, over its invasion of UkraineÂ’s Crimean peninsula. ... In their letter to the Fifa chairman, Sepp Blatter, Mark Kirk of Illinois and Dan Coates of Indiana, both Republicans, cite the exclusion of Yugoslavia from the 1992 European Championship and 1994 World Cup and say: Â“Since Russia has similarly displayed a brazen disrespect for fundamental principles of Fifa and international law, [we] hope you will agree that it doesnÂ’t deserve the honour of either hosting the World Cup or participating in one. Â“We ask that a more deserving World Cup 2018 bid should be re-considered instead.Â” Both Republicans, btw. march 7 The Guardian (lefty rag)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 10:03 AM (IXrOn)

299 in flames, going down, in one piece, off the coast of Vietnam Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 01:56 PM (zOTsN) ~~SAM~~ McCain, is that you? FIFY.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 12, 2014 10:03 AM (xorT2)

300 OK, exemptees, I gotta go do stuff. Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 12, 2014 10:04 AM (0HooB)

301 obama and h. clinton said they'll instead give them something even "better" than that outdated missile shield technology.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 02:01 PM (IW1TI)

In many ways, this is like the improved non-junk medical insurance that will be available from Obamacare!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 10:04 AM (o3MSL)

302 286 Just got called by RNC wanting a donation on a RECORDED line, I said, "Listen to me clearly, I am not donating to the National party because you keep listening to people like Karl Rove." Then I hung up. I'm even returning the GOPe mailings now. I write on them: For you to even consider amnesty...that was the hill my GOP membership died on.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 10:04 AM (7ObY1)

303 OK, Old Man Winter, you've made your point. You can stop with the snow any time now.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 12, 2014 10:04 AM (Nksua)

304 We need a separate branch of Government to make the laws. Hmmm..... That's so crazy it just might work!

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2014 10:04 AM (Hy7dS)

305 "...in flames, going down, in one piece," There it is again, the story of Barack Obama.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 12, 2014 10:05 AM (1Y+hH)

306

As I said earlier ... and you folks pretty much jumped over each other to verify it ... there's a reason why most Hourly Labor will never, ever vote GOP. The "Fuck You if You Don't Like It" attitude is pretty close to the top.

The dude making $20/hr installing cable is doing OK. He's making his bills. Overtime Saturday sure as hell helps.

Now ... let some eager executive decide to "salary" those positions, lay off 1/3 and put the rest on 60 hours, and that guy is suddenly screwed. Depending on the State - it can happen.

The Dems just got a lifetime voter, and the IBEW just got another member. But hey, Fuck Him. He got what he got. Shoulda' went to college.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 10:05 AM (F3IN5)

307

>>"If last nightÂ’s result means that a halfway decent Republican candidate can win on Republican-leaning territory by hammering away at ObamacareÂ… then the odds of the GOP winning the Senate look very, very good."

BFD. You think either McConnell or Boehner is going to change the way the republicans do business or the way business gets done one FUCKING iota? No, a republican senate will just mean a more vengeful Obama, more EOs and a more rapacious government -- but with the same passive legislative branch.

Posted by: rrpjr at March 12, 2014 10:06 AM (s/yC1)

308 >>>obama and h. clinton said they'll instead give them something even "better" than that outdated missile shield technology. Russia?

Posted by: Bigby's Okey Doke at March 12, 2014 10:06 AM (KgN8K)

309 Respect My Authoritah!!!

Posted by: Old Man Winter at March 12, 2014 10:06 AM (ZPrif)

310 "...in flames, going down, in one piece,"

There it is again, the story of Barack Obama.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 12, 2014 02:05 PM (1Y+hH)

Wrong again, teabagger!

I wear a two-piece when going down on Reggie.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 12, 2014 10:06 AM (tv7DV)

311 We need a separate branch of Government to make the laws.

Hmmm.....

That's so crazy it just might work!

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2014 02:04 PM (Hy7dS)

And we could give that branch the power of the purse...

Nah, that's really crazy talk.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 10:06 AM (o3MSL)

312 So there is no mandate anymore.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 12, 2014 10:07 AM (0LHZx)

313 T, but apparently a couple of buildings in NYC have blown up Huh...really? So when is that Manchester / Barcelona match? Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2014 01:57 PM (Hy7dS) I take it you are in NYC sifting through the rubble, and helping out, versus typing on a blog? eh?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 10:07 AM (IXrOn)

314

So Nip sip is a lawyer that sat through the whole trial. Jury deliberated for 2 days. It wasn't that straightforward. Do juries ever get shit wrong?? Do they??

You keep saying HE LIED like a parrot. No, the standard is "knew or should have known" that his investment information was misleading.

Kind of like Ted Stevens getting convicted of what??????? Oh wait, another innocent guy goes down? hmmmmm. Anyone that knows anything about the legal system can figure this out in 2 seconds.

At bottom I want to beat Hagan no matter what. And I'll back Tillis if he wins. But I'm not sold on him yet and Brannon was quite impressive as far as his grasp of what actually fucking counts. Which ain't a dam in your backyard McConnell. But I'm not going to allow a conservative to parrot and create dem talking points. You're not going to Ken C him.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 10:07 AM (tVTLU)

315 The point of this obama overtime proposal is exactly what is happening here between scogg and others, its to drive a wedge between middle class and lower wage workers and businesses, then to use it in this whole economic justice crap the dems have going for the midterms. It is NOT about helping anybody....but dem politicians. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 12, 2014 02:03 PM (gorVZ) Guy, you are correct. Community organizing 101, with Alinsky thrown in. The dems will stand at the podiums talking about how they got economic justice for all these workers, no more working for free for the man....

Posted by: Jen at March 12, 2014 10:07 AM (JqB3t)

316 There it is again, the story of Barack Obama. That gave me a shadenfroid laff.

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2014 10:08 AM (Hy7dS)

317 302 OK, Old Man Winter, you've made your point. You can stop with the snow any time now. Posted by: Waterhouse at March 12, 2014 02:04 PM (Nksua) If Mamma aint happy, no one's happy

Posted by: Mother Nature at March 12, 2014 10:08 AM (HVff2)

318 Oil rig worker claims in employer confirmed letter-he saw the plane go down. Vietnamese say they found nothing

Bob Woodward tweeted out the letter, and didn't black out the guy's email address or Passport Number! Bastid.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 12, 2014 10:08 AM (P7Wsr)

319
Ol' man winter,
Dat ol' man winter
He mus'know sumpin'
But don't say nuthin',
He jes'keeps rollin'
He keeps on rollin' along.

He don' plant taters/tators,
He don't plant cotton,
An' dem dat plants'em
is soon forgotten,
But ol'man winter,
He jes keeps rollin'along.

You an'me, we sweat an' strain,
Body all achin' an' racket wid pain,
Tote dat barge!
Lif' dat bale!
Git a little drunk
An' you land in jail.

Ah gits weary
An' sick of tryin'
Ah'm tired of livin'
An' skeered of dyin',
But ol' man winter,
He jes'keeps rolling' along.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 12, 2014 10:08 AM (XUKZU)

320 Scogg, I think you just don't understand the economic arguments we're making. I want as few wage and price controls as possible because they distort the market and impoverish people. You might be right that that is bad politics -- because most people are ignorant and politicians exploit that ignorance. It's still bad policy regardless.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 10:08 AM (ZPrif)

321 Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 02:05 PM (F3IN5) I bet you are an awesome employee. You should start your own company and make payroll while implementing your theories of fairness.

Posted by: Rick Enrol at March 12, 2014 10:08 AM (jl269)

322 "Listen to me clearly, I am not donating to the National party because you keep listening to people like Karl Rove." Then I hung up. Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 02:04 PM (7ObY1) But, then again, it was Rove's group that brought in Rand to help Jolly win...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 10:09 AM (IXrOn)

323 Do you really think it's appropriate to place somebody on salary who's making the hourly equivalent of $11.25/hour - before they're extended the friggin' privilege of working unpaid overtime ? Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 01:37 PM (F3IN5) _________ Huh? There's nothing appropriate or inappropriate about it. It's a fucking contract between employee and employer. If the employee wants overtime then she should find an hourly job.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 12, 2014 10:09 AM (0LHZx)

324

The Dems just got a lifetime voter, and the IBEW just got another member. But hey, Fuck Him. He got what he got. Shoulda' went to college.

Us college boys don't understand your anger.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 10:09 AM (eoeps)

325 As I said earlier ... and you folks pretty much jumped over each other to verify it ... there's a reason why most Hourly Labor will never, ever vote GOP. The "Fuck You if You Don't Like It" attitude is pretty close to the top. I'm 51. Hourly. NEVER been exempt. I have NEVER fucking voted for a dem and never will. The one thing I HAVE done, is when handed a shitty job situation, is to find another. And we have had OT stopped here at work for the last 15 years.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 12, 2014 10:09 AM (xorT2)

326 @282 First, Tillis is the NC Speaker of the House. Last election NC finally got control of both state houses AND the governorship. The governor has the veto. Since then Tillis/Legisature has passed these laws: 1) reduced state income tax by THREE %, 5 1/2 from 8 1/2 2) Passed Voter ID 3) Stopped same day registration 4) Reduced early voting days 5) Increased Concealed Carry rights 6) Put more restrictions on Abortion Clinics I have forgotten something. The Tea Party is mad because Tillis defeated one of their own eight years ago. Also he is the "establishment" candidate. AKA Rove and Koch brothers are supporting him Dr Brannon was found guilty of civil stock fraud and ordered to repay his former classmates, which he lied to, $250,000 PLUS their expenses. Brannon's co defendant was found innocent, ONLY Brannon was found guilty of lying. Brannon has said a vote for Romney is the same as a vote for Obama. He said other equally stupid things. Bottom line? Brannon is a very good speaker/con man with a following. He reminds me of Jim Bakker. He is guaranteed to lose to Hagan if he wins the primary. A vote for him is a death wish.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 10:10 AM (0FSuD)

327 If da Zero can just change the law because he feels like it, then it isn't an actual law at all.

Posted by: maddogg at March 12, 2014 10:10 AM (xWW96)

328 Bob Woodward tweeted out the letter, and didn't black out the guy's email address or Passport Number! Bastid. Posted by: bonhomme at March 12, 2014 02:08 PM (P7Wsr) What, seriously? Because that's not right.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 12, 2014 10:10 AM (VtjlW)

329 Was the building that fell down in Harlem in the island flipping over dude's district? Or did Bush blow up another levee?

Posted by: NCKate at March 12, 2014 10:10 AM (y7PFk)

330 ...by hammering away at Obamacare... I look forward to meeting, and leading, my new colleagues, but first we'll need to have a little talk on manners and not being a racist...

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at March 12, 2014 10:10 AM (FcR7P)

331 Sorry ette. Hope nobody you care about was involved. They've (libs) made me hate them. ::shrug::

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2014 10:10 AM (Hy7dS)

332 88 All of this shit is exhausting me. It seems like virtually everything I hold dear is under assault. For at least 6 years, actually longer. Like being under siege, or being a citizen of the old Soviet Union. A constant oppression. Starting to understand why people take to the streets, or the hills. --- Word

Posted by: votermom at March 12, 2014 10:10 AM (GSIDW)

333

>>"But, then again, it was Rove's group that brought in Rand to help Jolly win..."

That's too bad. Makes me worry about Jolly. Probably end up being another Boehner bootlicker.

Posted by: rrpjr at March 12, 2014 10:11 AM (s/yC1)

334 oops Bob Woodruff

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 10:11 AM (zOTsN)

335 The Obama administration will not delay ObamaCare's individual mandate or the March 31 deadline for enrolling in the new healthcare law, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Wednesday.

Sebelius offered the assurance during testimony to the House Ways and Means Committee, where Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Texas) noted the administration has made dozens of other changes or delays to the law.

Given problems caused by ObamaCare's faulty website last year, Brady asked Sebelius directly if delays to the individual mandate or enrollment deadline were next.

Â“No, sir,Â” Sebelius responded on both counts.

Republicans have played up the administration's refusal to make changes to the individual mandate and enrollment deadline, even as it has made changes to the law to benefit other groups.

Most notably, the administration has repeatedly delayed the mandate that employers offer their employees insurance.

The House will vote again this week on legislation to delay the mandate. The bill is also tied to legislation that would prevent a reduction in payments to doctors under Medicare.

Posted by: Secretary Syphilis at March 12, 2014 10:11 AM (e8kgV)

336 By opposing wage controls, I'm trying to help people. I also oppose rent control. Cause it's economically stupid. Rent control is popular with many economically ignorant people though. Wage and price controls are economically harmful policies.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 10:11 AM (ZPrif)

337 But hey, Fuck Him. He got what he got. Shoulda' went to college.

Helluva strawman.

Posted by: HR at March 12, 2014 10:11 AM (ZKzrr)

338 Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 02:05 PM (F3IN5) -------------------------------------------- Sorry dude. Your $20 an hour guy is making more than I ever have. That doesn't effect my opinion at all. What I work for is between me and the check writer. If envy is your main motivator, then the dem party is where you belong.

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 10:12 AM (Ze8oh)

339 As I said earlier ... and you folks pretty much jumped over each other to verify it ... there's a reason why most Hourly Labor will never, ever vote GOP. The "Fuck You if You Don't Like It" attitude is pretty close to the top. ___________ They vote Dem because they are uneducated, lazy pieces of shit. Overtime rules won't change that.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 12, 2014 10:12 AM (0LHZx)

340 296 Nip Sip , Tillis contacted me and told me he appreciates it but to tell you to stop trying to help him. Posted by: Rick Enrol at March 12, 2014 02:03 PM (jl269) He didn't mention that last night, seriously. Guess he's cheating on me.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 10:12 AM (0FSuD)

341 WhiteHouse denies delay Legal Insurrection ‏@LegInsurrection Sebelius: No individual mandate or enrollment delay http://nblo.gs/UIJEz Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 01:57 PM (ZPrif) I thought someone had actual proof? What?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 10:12 AM (IXrOn)

342 oil worker brought his sighting to VN officials and then nothing hmmmm hello SAM maybe sidewinder

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 10:12 AM (zOTsN)

343 If da Zero can just change the law because he feels like it, then it isn't an actual law at all. I AM THE LAW!

Posted by: Judge Barry at March 12, 2014 10:13 AM (FcR7P)

344 or the hills. I'm so not kidding when I say that I'm considering it.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 10:13 AM (7ObY1)

345 If da Zero can just change the law because he feels like it, then it isn't an actual law at all.

Posted by: maddogg at March 12, 2014 02:10 PM (xWW96)

Yes, I am sure both Houses of Congress will be actively looking into this immediately, as soon as they get all their insider trading accounts squared away for 2013.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 10:13 AM (o3MSL)

346 >>>Was the building that fell down in Harlem in the island flipping over dude's district? Or did Bush blow up another levee? Leftover 9/11 explosives buried under the sub-basement were touched off by construction workers.

Posted by: Bigby's Okey Doke at March 12, 2014 10:13 AM (KgN8K)

347 But, then again, it was Rove's group that brought in Rand to help Jolly win...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 02:09 PM (IXrOn)

I DON'T CARE. On most things Rove and the rest of the Liberal Republicans might as well be a Dims. They are wrong on too many things for my taste--particularly their virulent witch hunts against Tea Party types. As of right here, right now, I am not a member of the Tea Party, but, I am far more in line with what they espouse than the Country Club Beltway Pubbies. What I am is a Conservative and my money is going to go to individual candidates.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 12, 2014 10:13 AM (kXoT0)

348 What, seriously? Because that's not right.

See here:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/mz8gcjt

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 12, 2014 10:13 AM (P7Wsr)

349 That's too bad. Makes me worry about Jolly. Probably end up being another Boehner bootlicker. Posted by: rrpjr at March 12, 2014 02:11 PM (s/yC1) Dunno. I think he was fighting Boehner & Co through his entire campaign.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 10:14 AM (IXrOn)

350 321 "Listen to me clearly, I am not donating to the National party because you keep listening to people like Karl Rove." Then I hung up. Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 02:04 PM (7ObY1) But, then again, it was Rove's group that brought in Rand to help Jolly win... Huh? I did not post what you quoted me as posting.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 10:14 AM (7ObY1)

351 Many bad, economically harmful ideas are popular. And I understand that in the real world of politics sometimes we have to do stupid things because voters demand it. So we have to do stupid policy X, so we can win and implement wise policy A, B, and C. But we should still admit that stupid policy X is stupid, despite it's popularity.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 10:14 AM (ZPrif)

352 So, if I'm the Malaysian military, and a plane turns off its transponder and veers off course, and I then fire a missle at an unidentified craft, I guess I would stammer about for a couple of days, too.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 10:14 AM (eoeps)

353

Finally, Big Ern is above the law!

Posted by: Big Ern Soetoro at March 12, 2014 10:15 AM (Q6pxP)

354 I could easily see Hagan running ads that Brannon is too conservative. Nip sip, thanks for your input.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 12, 2014 10:15 AM (9gFMq)

355 And what makes a $500/week salaried worker more worthy of overtime than a $600/week worker? This is the thing that bugs me...an arbitrary cut off. If you think salaried people should get overtime, fine. Then everyone should get it from the McDonald's manager to the CEO. What this is about is once again the Democrats punishing success and rewarding mediocrity. Hey you work at McD's for $20K, you're awesome. Hey you, you work as an engineer for $150K a year....you're a bad bad person, fuck you.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 12, 2014 10:15 AM (0LHZx)

356 345 Oh, joos. Forgot that option.

Posted by: NCKate at March 12, 2014 10:15 AM (y7PFk)

357 Dude, you got Canada across a bridge from you

Posted by: Bigby's Okey Doke at March 12, 2014 10:15 AM (KgN8K)

358 hello SAM maybe sidewinder I'm sorry; I don't know what either of those mean.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2014 10:16 AM (XyM/Y)

359 Central planning sucks. Scogg, If it is really necessary to dictate what the min salary of an exempt employee is, does it make sense to set that nationally? Is the cost of living the same in NYC as it is in Columbus? Let the states decide if they need to do this. At least the lobby bribes will be local.

Posted by: votermom at March 12, 2014 10:16 AM (GSIDW)

360 He didn't mention that last night, seriously. Guess he's cheating on me. Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 02:12 PM (0FSuD) OW DAMMIT!!! Watch where you're dropping shit. You almost broke a toe.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 12, 2014 10:17 AM (da5Wo)

361 The Malaysian plane crashed into a building in Harlem.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 10:17 AM (bitz6)

362 Surface to Air Missile

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2014 10:17 AM (Hy7dS)

363

This is the thing that bugs me...an arbitrary cut off. If you think salaried people should get overtime, fine. Then everyone should get it from the McDonald's manager to the CEO.

MrMooMoo, it isn't arbitrary - it has been a carefully poll-tested dollar amount.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 10:17 AM (eoeps)

364

Let 'em switch you to salary, rick. Cut you wage. Increase your hours. I've seen it happen.

You'll go find another gig. I have no doubt. But you WILL NOT take kindly to anybody telling you "Fuck your sob story. Now show some loyalty and do your job. I did blah, blah, blah and never once complained".

And for the record, I'm an Electrical Engineer. Never worked hourly since college. But I've seen hourly get screwed. Plenty.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 10:17 AM (F3IN5)

365 wtf? pix-eeee! awright nevahmind

Posted by: Bigby's Okey Doke at March 12, 2014 10:17 AM (KgN8K)

366 Yeah, what are the odds Malaysia shot it down and is just terrified of telling China what they did?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 10:17 AM (ZPrif)

367 265 189 OT: Palestinians hit Israel with 60 rockets. Tanks sent into Gaza. Woah. --- Palis may have sent 60 rockets into Israeli territory but they probably did less damage than "youths of indeterminate origin" on an average weeknight in the Paris suburbs.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 12, 2014 10:17 AM (APuJ7)

368 Nip Sip --

You know I agree with you on Tillis v. Brannon. But you'd be on stronger ground around here if you would stop using the term "guilty" w/r/t to Brannon's civil fraud verdict. Now I know, and you know, that such distinctions (liability in a civil trial vs. guilt in a criminal trial, and the respective jury burdens of each) are going to be meaningless if Brannon becomes the GOP candidate and has to defend against attacks from Hagan, the MSM, and outside groups...but around here at least it's a good idea to be more careful with your word choice, because otherwise people will suspect you of arguing in bad faith.

Posted by: Jeff B., RINO emeritus at March 12, 2014 10:17 AM (ewYO6)

369 Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 02:12 PM (0FSuD) You are helping Tillis like Reese Witherspoon helped her husband during his traffic stop.

Posted by: Rick Enrol at March 12, 2014 10:18 AM (jl269)

370 SAM surface to air missile sidewinder - a missile fired from a fixed wing aircraft

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 10:18 AM (zOTsN)

371 Know what happens when salaried workers are allowed to collect overtime?

They aren't allowed to collect overtime, and they have to do the same amount of work in 40 hours. Turn in a timecard over 40, and you'll be warned, then out on your ass.

Period.

There will be no more money. There will also be no more 1 hour coffee breaks and bullshitting by the water cooler.

Posted by: grognard at March 12, 2014 10:18 AM (/29Nl)

372 So, the emperor can now waive the John Roberts defined TAX? Wow. I'm glad the media won't allow such lawlessness go unnoticed.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 12, 2014 10:18 AM (9Bdcz)

373 I'm sorry; I don't know what either of those mean. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2014 02:16 PM (XyM/Y) Surface to Air Missile

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 12, 2014 10:18 AM (da5Wo)

374 I am a bit confused how Republican so-called "leaders" can't make the case for a repeal of Obamacare when Obama himself is actually doing it?

Why not just slap all the sections Obama is delaying into a single bill?

What is Obama going to say- "no fair"?

Posted by: Marcus T at March 12, 2014 10:18 AM (GGCsk)

375 If you like your salaried job, you can keep your salaried job WITH overtime. Period.

Posted by: Barack Obama at March 12, 2014 10:19 AM (GSIDW)

376 oops

Posted by: Malayasia at March 12, 2014 10:19 AM (KgN8K)

377 As I said earlier ... and you folks pretty much jumped over each other to verify it ... there's a reason why most Hourly Labor will never, ever vote GOP. The "Fuck You if You Don't Like It" attitude is pretty close to the top. The dude making $20/hr installing cable is doing OK. He's making his bills. Overtime Saturday sure as hell helps. Now ... let some eager executive decide to "salary" those positions, lay off 1/3 and put the rest on 60 hours, and that guy is suddenly screwed. Depending on the State - it can happen. The Dems just got a lifetime voter, and the IBEW just got another member. But hey, Fuck Him. He got what he got. Shoulda' went to college. Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 02:05 PM (F3IN5) Scogg, have you ever run a business? How do you think a business can simply lay off 1/3 of it's work force, then overtime the other 2/3rds to the tune of 60 hours a week?(20 hours of overtime). That Mr. Cable installer is now going to work on salary with no overtime 5 12 hour days and has no choice in the matter. That this scenario doesn't violate exisitng laws? That there aren't tax implications, health insurance implications, etc. in all these changes? That staff morale goes to hell in a business that depends on service to customers and competition with other companies for both customers and employees? This type of thinking is what Obama and his ilk prey upon. They use people who think employers are evil , greedy bastards just one degree of separation from plantations masters with bullwhips to gin up support for their marxist ideals. That employers spend most of their time on how they can absolutely screw over their employees and virtually no time on how to make a profit so that their employees will continue to have jobs. It's how all these "worker revolutions" get started and are fueled. This is just an attempt to start the failed Occupy Wallstreet movement up again.

Posted by: Jen at March 12, 2014 10:19 AM (JqB3t)

378 Palis may have sent 60 rockets into Israeli territory but they probably did less damage than "youths of indeterminate origin" on an average weeknight in the Paris suburbs. I checked the story and it appears you're right. No Israeli injuries.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 12, 2014 10:20 AM (JQuNB)

379 Boy, who could have seen this coming:

Obama threatens to veto bill that would require administration to enforce laws

Linked on Drudge.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 12, 2014 10:21 AM (XUKZU)

380

My takeaway on the stalincare situation:

The GOP was unable or unwilling to negotiate on an item that the regime is willing to give away for nothing.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 10:21 AM (eoeps)

381 370 Know what happens when salaried workers are allowed to collect overtime? They aren't allowed to collect overtime, and they have to do the same amount of work in 40 hours. Turn in a timecard over 40, and you'll be warned, then out on your ass. Period. There will be no more money. There will also be no more 1 hour coffee breaks and bullshitting by the water cooler. Posted by: grognard at March 12, 2014 02:18 PM (/29Nl) And for guys like me an accounting of every single minute of every single day. I like the salary system. I wish they leave it alone.

Posted by: Mother Nature at March 12, 2014 10:21 AM (HVff2)

382

I tend to agree with ScoggDog's point re overall position. We need to be the party of the working class and the middle class. Otherwise, who is??

Everytime a democrat says working class he is pissing on them.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 10:21 AM (tVTLU)

383 And for the record, I'm an Electrical Engineer. Never worked hourly since college. But I've seen hourly get screwed. Plenty.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 02:17 PM (F3IN5)

Then enjoy the free pr0n and quit yer bitchin'.

Posted by: Never gets to see hourly get screwed at March 12, 2014 10:22 AM (tv7DV)

384 Scogg, you might well be right on the politics of this. I'm sure Obama and the Dems have poll-tested this and there's a reason they are doing it 6 months before an election they are projected to lose. They are trying to find an issue that works for them. It's still an economically ignorant policy that will harm the very people it claims to help.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 10:22 AM (ZPrif)

385 @367 Point well taken. How do we mention then that the jury found him liable for stock fraud? What does the judge ask the jury? Do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty? What word should I use, if the word I use is the same as the judges??

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 10:22 AM (0FSuD)

386 Palis may have sent 60 rockets into Israeli territory but they probably did less damage than "youths of indeterminate origin" on an average weeknight in the Paris suburbs.

Iron Dome intercepted at least three of the rockets according to the Israelis. Many landed in "open territory". Israel responded with artillery and the Palis claim 14 injured.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 12, 2014 10:22 AM (P7Wsr)

387
You can't force an employer to pay more than market wage. They will find a different option, economics forces them too. Sometimes that option include closing a business, sometimes it means cutting staff, benefits, perks, etc. The money does not come from the govt, it comes from customers and they have to compete. It is why illegals get work for less, not because they are jobs Americans won't do. Govt interference has priced legal work out of the market.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 12, 2014 10:22 AM (gorVZ)

388 ot Obama threatens to veto bill that would require administration to enforce laws good times good times dailycaller

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 10:22 AM (IXrOn)

389 How many pages of this monstrosity, as written and declared "It's The Law.", are still law?

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at March 12, 2014 10:23 AM (XrGnJ)

390 We need to be the party of the working class and the middle class. Otherwise, who is?? === This is the nub of Why the TEA Party, anyway?

Posted by: Bigby's Burned Fingers at March 12, 2014 10:23 AM (KgN8K)

391 Salaried workers aren't exempt from overtime pay because they are being exploited. They are exempt because they are considered professionals who will do what is necessary to accomplish the tasks at hand.

As professionals, they have the discretion to manage their time as they see fit. If they take 40 hours or 50 hours to do the same task, it doesn't matter to the employer, as long as it is done by the due date.

Mandatory overtime means that all of those salaried workers using "overtime" hours to accomplish the same tasks as much more efficient workers are going to be absolutely fucked. Because they will not be allowed to stay later. They will not be allowed to pace themselves. Their internet use will be monitored. Efficiency will be enforced.

In short, they will no longer be treated as professionals.

Posted by: grognard at March 12, 2014 10:23 AM (/29Nl)

392 377 Palis may have sent 60 rockets into Israeli territory but they probably did less damage than "youths of indeterminate origin" on an average weeknight in the Paris suburbs. I checked the story and it appears you're right. No Israeli injuries. --- I'm not sure if the rockets the Palis use are useless, they can't aim for shit, or the Iron Dome defense is working, but I realized years ago that Palis sending rockets into Israel is less effective than Saddam launching SCUDs at Tel Aviv during Desert Storm.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 12, 2014 10:23 AM (APuJ7)

393 Late Mar 12th 2014 China's State Administration of Science (SASTIND) reported, they discovered three large objects sized 13x18, 14x19 and 24x22 meters at position N6.7 E105.63 (121nm eastsoutheast of the last known secondary radar position), all three objects within a radius of 20km (12nm) and published the satellite images, taken on Mar 9th 2014 at 11:00 Beijing time (03:00Z), oopsy S about to HTF

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 10:24 AM (zOTsN)

394 "feeling inclined to vote Republican" Great line

Posted by: elrobalo at March 12, 2014 10:24 AM (wH5Tk)

395 385 Palis may have sent 60 rockets into Israeli territory but they probably did less damage than "youths of indeterminate origin" on an average weeknight in the Paris suburbs. Iron Dome intercepted at least three of the rockets according to the Israelis. Many landed in "open territory". Israel responded with artillery and the Palis claim 14 injured. --- Thanks for answering my questions as to how many were stopped by Iron Dome vs. Pali misses / shitty weapons.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 12, 2014 10:25 AM (APuJ7)

396 As professionals, they have the discretion to manage their time as they see fit. If they take 40 hours or 50 hours to do the same task, it doesn't matter to the employer, as long as it is done by the due date. Exactly .. well put.

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2014 10:25 AM (Hy7dS)

397 Palis may have sent 60 rockets into Israeli territory but they probably did less damage than "youths of indeterminate origin" on an average weeknight in the Paris suburbs. I checked the story and it appears you're right. No Israeli injuries. Dr. Von Braun, please pick up the white courtesy phone......

Posted by: rickb223 at March 12, 2014 10:25 AM (xorT2)

398 They aren't allowed to collect overtime, and they have to do the same amount of work in 40 hours. Turn in a timecard over 40, and you'll be warned, then out on your ass.

Period.

I quit an hourly with Amazon, contract to hire. The manager told me to be there when his FTEs were. They were there 60 hours / week. So I said, fine, I could use the overtime. He says no, no overtime, you will report 40 hours. I said shove it up your hole.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 12, 2014 10:26 AM (P7Wsr)

399 You know what's better than overtime you're not authorized to take anyway? Eliminating the payroll tax. Flat 10% income tax. Now that IS more money for the same amount of work.

Posted by: Barack Obama at March 12, 2014 10:26 AM (GSIDW)

400 and at AVHerald, there are images of a debris field near the last radar ping of the aircraft between Malaysia and Thailand

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 10:26 AM (zOTsN)

401

If they take 40 hours or 50 hours to do the same task, it doesn't matter to the employer, as long as it is done by the due date.

And the employee who does the work in 40 hours will still have a job, while the employee who takes 50 hours will not, if this is implemented.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 10:27 AM (eoeps)

402 I quit an hourly with Amazon, contract to hire. The manager told me to be there when his FTEs were. They were there 60 hours / week. So I said, fine, I could use the overtime. He says no, no overtime, you will report 40 hours. I said shove it up your hole.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 12, 2014 02:26 PM (P7Wsr)

The free market at work.

Posted by: grognard at March 12, 2014 10:27 AM (/29Nl)

403
And the employee who does the work in 40 hours will still have a job, while the employee who takes 50 hours will not, if this is implemented.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 02:27 PM (eoeps)

Bingo. You will be hyper-efficient, or you will be gone.

Posted by: grognard at March 12, 2014 10:27 AM (/29Nl)

404 Not following the NC Senate Race closely, but remember a prime tactic of Hairy Reid on Senate campaigns (both his last one and Claire McCaskill reelection in MO) is to spend money in the GOP primary cycle selecting and attacking a unelectable, poor candidate as "Too conservative for X", thereby giving that candidate name recognition with the primary electorate as a "true conservative" in the race. Then after the primary, they expose the candidates massive flaws.

see Todd Akin and Sharon Angle - You know Harry didn't want to face a candidate with Las Vegas name recognition of Danny Tarkanian in the general.

Posted by: phreshone at March 12, 2014 10:28 AM (Q6pxP)

405 Nice job using "appropriate" instead "fair". To answer the question, it's more appropriate than overtime policy by central planning. Don't like the employer's policy, don't take the job. No choice? Take the job and keep right on looking.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 12, 2014 01:53 PM (1Y+hH)

I've held a number of jobs in the course of my life. I've never minded the dirty jobs or the jobs requiring heavy physical labor or the low-paying drudgework jobs. I come from working class people. My mother brought me up to respect honest work and honest workers and all that. A day's work for a day's pay? No problem.

That said, the very worst jobs are those where the company fucks you over on pay or comes at you in small, petty, nitpicky ways, or treats you like a serf, or yells at you, all with the attitude, 'If you don't like it, go somewhere else.' In short, those employers who treat people badly as a company policy. Treating people badly never made sense to me and doesn't intuitively seem like good business practice but so many businesses practice it that screwing people over in tiny but very legal ways must somehow eke out greater profits somewhere.

To the point: you write, 'go elsewhere'. Okay, fine, but what if there's nowhere else to go? The manufacturing sector of my home town was hurt badly by the recession and never really fully recovered. Factory jobs are still scarce and when locals in manufacturing find one, they hold onto it for dear life. Does that mean then that employers can screw over their workers with a clear conscience, and that if their workers don't like it, they can leave it? That's your take?

I think the Republican Party should transition to a more populist approach and appeal to those working people who have been shut out by the Democrats. It should also distance itself from groups like the US Chamber of Commerce and shed its image as the party of business once and for all. As long as Republicans are identified with bosses and all-around assholery in the workplace, we're going to have a problem.

Posted by: Just Another Typical Republican at March 12, 2014 10:28 AM (2jF2B)

406 I quit an hourly with Amazon, contract to hire. The manager told me to be there when his FTEs were. They were there 60 hours / week. So I said, fine, I could use the overtime. He says no, no overtime, you will report 40 hours. I said shove it up your hole. Posted by: bonhomme at March 12, 2014 02:26 PM ------------------------------ There, ScoggDog. See how that works?

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 10:28 AM (Ze8oh)

407 How many pages of this monstrosity, as written and declared "It's The Law.", are still law? 1 page. The title page.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 12, 2014 10:29 AM (xorT2)

408 The overtime change sounds suspiciously like another method of getting more Funemployed full-time voters.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 10:29 AM (eoeps)

409

Jen ... at one point I ran Electrical Maintenance for a Mfg. They did EXACTLY that. Salaried the techs, cut their 40 hour check 10%, laid off 1/3, put the on five twelves. Since they were now salaried, no OT for the extra 20.

I don't understand the Occupy crowd that thinks Gub'Mint will save them. I do not understand you people that think business doesn't screw people over either.

But Hey, fuck it. Let's Wage and Hour laws entirely. Maybe ban OSHA too. Work is now a sacrosanct contract between employer and employee. Fuck me and anyone else that thing different.

Yeah. The GOP should TOTALLY go national with that.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 10:29 AM (F3IN5)

410 thunderb, I am looking at the new images.

Artifact or clouds. Just my guess and keeping expectations low after all the other rumors I have seen.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 10:29 AM (23VXG)

411 There was no severability clause in the ACA, so that when the individual mandate was challenged, SCOTUS couldn't deem it illegal without striking down the whole law.

And now Obama just disappears the individual mandate by redefining "hardship exemption" to apply to almost everyone.

It was a nice republic while it lasted.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 12, 2014 10:29 AM (aq/zi)

412 Off damned sock.

Posted by: troyriser at March 12, 2014 10:29 AM (2jF2B)

413 see Todd Akin and Sharon Angle - You know Harry didn't want to face a candidate with Las Vegas name recognition of Danny Tarkanian in the general. Posted by: phreshone at March 12, 2014 02:28 PM (Q6pxP) Your point is WELL taken. Funny PPP, the democrat polling outfit, just discovered that Brannon was neck and neck with Tillis after the trial. Amazing isn't it?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 10:31 AM (0FSuD)

414 399 and at AVHerald, there are images of a debris field near the last radar ping of the aircraft between Malaysia and Thailand --- Any ideas on what happened? That's in the middle of the South China Sea in the stretch between Thailand / Malaysia and Cambodia / Vietnam.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 12, 2014 10:31 AM (APuJ7)

415

Sherry McEvil:

My thought on Rove et al is as follows. If they are simply the Republican wing of the democrat party then they need to be purged. All of them.

But I'm not ready to just flush the whole thing down just yet. Rove has done good for the party, as has McConnell. But I just think they're tired, worn out, they're part of the business as usual and we need people that actually are going to stand and fight and not balance the budget in ten fucking years...

Honestly, this amnesty bullshit is the dealbreaker. If they push this POS and allow it to go through, then I am done. 3rd party time or support of very few select conservative GOP.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 10:31 AM (tVTLU)

416 ScoggDog, I agree that the contemptuous "so go get another job" crap being thrown around here is enlightening.

Posted by: LadyS at March 12, 2014 10:32 AM (tMTsS)

417 407 The overtime change sounds suspiciously like another method of getting more Funemployed full-time voters. -- Yup

Posted by: votermom at March 12, 2014 10:33 AM (GSIDW)

418 House GOP still on track for gains this November, perhaps in 5-15 seat range.

For some reason I fear these new seats for team R will be a huge boost for the limp Boehner wing of the house.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 12, 2014 10:33 AM (kxSZr)

419 @403 Also, remember Tillis has been the target of the NCAAP and national DNC. He's been Vetted. If there was anything they could attack Tillis with, they would have done it last year. He's clean. The others, except Mark Harris a preacher, have not been vetted by anyone.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 10:33 AM (0FSuD)

420 >>>What does the judge ask the jury?

Do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty?

But see, that's the thing. That is NOT what the judge asks the jury in a civil trial. In a civil trial the judge asks the jury to determine whether the preponderance of the evidence (a significantly more lenient standard than the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard required for most criminal cases) would lead the jurors to find the defendant LIABLE to the plaintiff for damages. The words "guilty" and "not guilty" are never once mentioned in a civil jury instructions, nor should they be.

To non-attorneys this may just sound like semantic caviling (which is why the Brannon fraud verdict is so toxic anyway), but it's emphatically not. It's a hugely important distinction. Liability =/= guilt, no matter how much they may appear to be analogous concepts.

Posted by: Jeff B., RINO emeritus at March 12, 2014 10:34 AM (ewYO6)

421 Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 02:29 PM (F3IN5) Sucks you can't be paid overtime for all of those straw men you've made.

Posted by: Rick Enrol at March 12, 2014 10:34 AM (jl269)

422 Making Corporate Fascism a plank in the Republican platform isn't going to win you many elections.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2014 10:34 AM (bitz6)

423

To even try and put Akin and Brannon in the same sentence is laughable. Akin was supported by dems and kind of just slid in there.

This is an OFF YEAR election. Let me ask you one question. Is anyone excited to vote for Tillis "Obamacare is a good idea..."??

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 10:34 AM (tVTLU)

424 345 >>>Was the building that fell down in Harlem in the island flipping over dude's district? Or did Bush blow up another levee?

Leftover 9/11 explosives buried under the sub-basement were touched off by construction workers.

Posted by: Bigby's Okey Doke at March 12, 2014 02:13 PM (KgN8K)

Well, it IS Harlem. Have we checked to confirm where the Hulk was at the time of the explosion?

Posted by: LizLem at March 12, 2014 10:34 AM (BF+2f)

425 " I do not understand you people that think business doesn't screw people over either." ------------------------------- I've never heard anyone say that, here or anywhere else.

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 10:34 AM (Ze8oh)

426 thunderb, looking at the time stamp of the first image says 0300Z 9 March.

I think Malaysia is Zulu +7. So that would be 1000 local when that picture was taken?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 10:34 AM (23VXG)

427 spotted going down in flames by an oil rig worker off the VN coast I think it was an accidental shoot down either Malaysia or VN and no body wants to tell China

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 10:34 AM (zOTsN)

428 Now Playing: Brian Eno - "Burning Airlines Give You So Much More"

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 10:35 AM (7ObY1)

429

Based on the last three elections, the democrats have a huge incentive to do all they can to hurt the economy. More people unemployed, scared, and dependent upon a welfare payment is all the democrats really have going for them.

Besides abortion, I mean.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 10:35 AM (eoeps)

430 Anyone who watches that Barky vid at the top of the sidebar and still thinks the Donks are arguing in good faith over, well, anything are delusional.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 12, 2014 10:36 AM (gBnkX)

431 417 House GOP still on track for gains this November, perhaps in 5-15 seat range. For some reason I fear these new seats for team R will be a huge boost for the limp Boehner wing of the house. --- That's if he makes it through a leadership vote in January. He pissed off enough people over various things, especially amnesty, that I figure a number of potential candidates are quietly polling their chances of unseating him.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 12, 2014 10:36 AM (APuJ7)

432 426 WTH is China gonna do if they did?

Posted by: Bigby's Burned Fingers at March 12, 2014 10:36 AM (KgN8K)

433 Posted by: LadyS at March 12, 2014 02:32 PM (tMTsS) What's so enlightening about it?

Posted by: Rick Enrol at March 12, 2014 10:36 AM (jl269)

434 I agree that the contemptuous "so go get another job" crap being thrown around here is enlightening.

I personally feel for the people who live in towns where the jobs dry up. One mill towns, or one smelter towns or whatever. At the same time, I lived in the third world as a military brat. When a location became unlivable because of flooding or whatever, do you know what the people did? They strapped their belongings to their back and marched out of there. The gov't couldn't be relied on by anyone but the connected.

I think people in the first world could take some notes. Especially those who live in real crapholes like Detroit or Chicago or Camden. March your butt out of there and find somewhere else!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 12, 2014 10:37 AM (P7Wsr)

435 No, you can't always just "go get another job."

However, government interference *created* that situation.

In bonhomme's example, would that Amazon douchebag be able to demand something like that if there wasn't about 400 applicants for every job opening? Hell no.

Unions vote for Democrats, who fuck up the economy, which closes manufacturing, which puts people out of work, which makes jobs harder to get, which allows employers to demand more out of their employees. Exploitation occurs where market forces aren't allowed to give the employees other options. And that happens when government fucks things up.

You want to fix the problem? Get rid of idiot Democrats. Don't pander by claiming that this bullshit overtime thing does anything to fix a problem. As with anything government, it does nothing for it.

It just makes conditions even worse for salaried people and hourly people alike.

And if we had an opposition party with an ounce of brainpower, they could make that case.

Posted by: grognard at March 12, 2014 10:37 AM (/29Nl)

436 Well, it IS Harlem. Have we checked to confirm where the Hulk was at the time of the explosion? --- Man, Fury and Ross won't ever let me live that one down.

Posted by: Robert Bruce Banner at March 12, 2014 10:37 AM (APuJ7)

437 New Web Ad: ObamacareÂ’s war on seniorsÂ… House Republicans released a new web ad this morning attacking Obamacare for its war on seniors: therightscoop http://tinyurl.com/q9ymqmz

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 10:37 AM (IXrOn)

438 thunderb, I saw that story of the oil worker saying he saw something on fire. What is the density of rigs in that area and the flaring off of gas from another rig he saw?

Remember all the people after TWA 800 went down who swear they saw a streak going upwards.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 10:37 AM (23VXG)

439 @419 So we should say Brannon was found liable of misleading/lying to his investors and ordered to pay them back? That still makes him a liar by a judgement of the court. I am sure Hagan's ads will make that distinction for him. ha ha.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 10:37 AM (0FSuD)

440 Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm huntin' for votes!

Posted by: Elmer Obama at March 12, 2014 10:37 AM (xvtYZ)

441 We did not shoot nice Chinese airplane. JOOOOOOOS!

Posted by: Malaysia at March 12, 2014 10:38 AM (JQuNB)

442 Amen, Grognard

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 10:38 AM (eoeps)

443 Anyway, there was a time when I worked "hourly" at coding. Overtime was theoretically possible but rarely rarely authorized - they only authorized it if you had to come in at midnight for implementation. Guess what - you still had the hard deadlines. You still ended up working 80 hours a week. You couldn't charge overtime for that coz it just proved you were an under-achieving coder. Except that you had to punch a timecard and got yelled at if you were 5 min late in the morning or coming back in from lunch. Overtime for salaried work ain't the promised land.

Posted by: votermom at March 12, 2014 10:38 AM (GSIDW)

444

Jeff B is exactly right. The standard is the jury thinks there is a 50.000001% chance that he knew or should have known his info was misleading, then BOOM, you're liable.

They deliberated for 2 days, so obviously they had to think about it for some time just to get to that standard of liability.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 10:38 AM (tVTLU)

445

Somebody said it above ... Salaried SHOULD be intended for those that manage their own time. In the beginning, it was.

But now you're seeing positions classifed as Salaried that include designated shifts. At first, the caviat was calling them Management.

A copy repairman ain't friggin' management. But, screw 'em, if he doesn't like 50 hour weeks for 40 hour pay ... he needs to go do something else. Got it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 10:39 AM (F3IN5)

446 Remember all the people after TWA 800 went down who swear they saw a streak going upwards. --- The official NTSB report says that one was caused by a frayed wire. What frayed the wire? A missile.

Posted by: Norm MacDonald at March 12, 2014 10:39 AM (APuJ7)

447 "That's if he makes it through a leadership vote in January.

He pissed off enough people over various things, especially amnesty, that I figure a number of potential candidates are quietly polling their chances of unseating him. " Brandon In Baton Rouge

I hope so. I am still durn proud of the fact that my new Congress Critter's first vote was against Boner as SOH. Bridenstine (R, OK, 1st District)

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 12, 2014 10:39 AM (kXoT0)

448 >>>
So we should say Brannon was found liable of misleading/lying to his investors and ordered to pay them back?

That still makes him a liar by a judgement of the court.

I am sure Hagan's ads will make that distinction for him. ha ha.

I agree with literally every word of this (particularly the part about Hagan's ads not bothering to mess with the distinction), which is of course why I think Brannon would be a guaranteed loss were we stupid enough to nominate him for NC Sen.

My point is that around here you will piss off a lot fewer people if you're more accurate with your language.

Posted by: Jeff B., RINO emeritus at March 12, 2014 10:40 AM (ewYO6)

449 432. What's enlightening? That there is no Tribe for me anywhere, however small. Some of you are just as much assholes, and just as disingenuous, as any liberal. Shrug.

Posted by: LadyS at March 12, 2014 10:40 AM (tMTsS)

450 It sounds like Brannon is comparable to Akin and Angle, in that he is the candidate they want because there is something there they can run AGAINST

Posted by: phreshone at March 12, 2014 10:40 AM (Q6pxP)

451 Bigby, the PRC is the local 800lb gorilla. And Sheriff Barky is too busy taking vacations.

Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines, PRC, and a few other parties also lay claim to the Spratley Islands in the South China Sea.

So I don't blame the locals for soft peddling if it was a shoot down.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 10:40 AM (23VXG)

452 Anna I am not sure how many rigs are in the area. He may have seen natural gas burn off But he said in his email he spotted the plane in flames at "high altitude" a rig wouldn't be

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 10:40 AM (zOTsN)

453 @443 See @438 So from now on I will just say "the jury found him to be a liar" Would that be OK and not hurt anyone's feelings?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 10:40 AM (0FSuD)

454 406, my question too. What is left of TFG-care?

Basically, it's now a massive expansion of Medicaid with some elders and "children" getting basic insurance for nearly nothing.

All the funding mechanism have been eliminated. The entire program is now funded by middle class people who have had to switch to the exchanges b/c of cancellations. In a year or two, the citizens of each state and the middle class people who pay most of the federal taxes will be charged with paying for all the coming insurance bailouts as well.

Posted by: pj at March 12, 2014 10:41 AM (ZWaLo)

455

But now you're seeing positions classifed as Salaried that include designated shifts. At first, the caviat was calling them Management.

A copy repairman ain't friggin' management. But, screw 'em, if he doesn't like 50 hour weeks for 40 hour pay ... he needs to go do something else. Got it.

Scrogg, do you know why it changed? Government interference. They decided that certain employee classes were entitled to 40 hours pay even if they didn't work 40. That is salaried non-exempt.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 10:41 AM (eoeps)

456 Some of you are just as much assholes, and just as disingenuous, as any liberal. How YOU doin'?

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 10:41 AM (7ObY1)

457 In bonhomme's example, would that Amazon douchebag be able to demand something like that if there wasn't about 400 applicants for every job opening? Hell no.

It's actually worse than that. They screened 200 on the phone before they called me to interview in person. The reject pile is at least ten to one before they even call you. IOW about 2,000 applicants for that position.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 12, 2014 10:41 AM (P7Wsr)

458 so anyway at home in the blizzard waiting on bbq to get done wondering when to start shoveling and blowing snow around sposed to go on to midnight? what the hell

Posted by: Bigby's Burned Fingers at March 12, 2014 10:41 AM (KgN8K)

459 And on another note entirely, how is your little daughter doing, LadyS? Have they been able to determine how to best take care of her health situation?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2014 10:41 AM (XyM/Y)

460 >>>So from now on I will just say "the jury found him to be a liar"

Would that be OK and not hurt anyone's feelings?

People will still bitch, but at least you'll have the facts on your side in that case.

Posted by: Jeff B., RINO emeritus at March 12, 2014 10:42 AM (ewYO6)

461

Bonhomme:

I agree with this as well. It's just that we can't be total Ayn Rand about it. People live there, their kids are in the school. Here on the blog we can joke about it, but many employers do screw over their employees. The "get a new job" routine, especially in this economy, ain't gonna win friends.

But at the same time I'm obviously not backing anything SCOAMF does, just saying we need to be better in messaging.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 10:42 AM (tVTLU)

462 So you are saying it's crazy for Repubs to support the Current Law and instead we should, what?, start campaigning on Obama's Executive Orders? Should we also campaign on raising the Minimum Wage? Rent Control? Do we just adopt all of the economically ignorant, harmful policies that the Left proposes? Should we be more backwards than the Dems, or just slightly less backwards? Obama wants $10.10 min wage, should we do $9 or $15? I notice you aren't defending the policies on economic grounds. Just that these Leftist policies sound more "fair" and popular. These policies make the world a worse, poorer, sicker place. They are immoral. They are harmful. Harming people just to win elections because the voters are too stupid to comprehend the harm is deeply immoral.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 10:42 AM (ZPrif)

463 My point is that around here you will piss off a lot fewer people if you're more accurate with your language and you stop being a trollish dick. Posted by: Jeff B., RINO emeritus at March 12, 2014 02:40 PM (ewYO6)

Posted by: 95% of the Horde at March 12, 2014 10:42 AM (da5Wo)

464 That there is no Tribe for me anywhere, however small. Some of you are just as much assholes, and just as disingenuous, as any liberal. === always was the case sorry. but there is some small tribe out there. we're in flux right now, give it time

Posted by: Bigby's Burned Fingers at March 12, 2014 10:43 AM (KgN8K)

465 Posted by: Bigby's Burned Fingers at March 12, 2014 02:41 PM (KgN8K) Glad you got home safely, Bigby or maybe it was another poster who was stuck at work.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2014 10:43 AM (XyM/Y)

466 Yes, thanks, FenelonSpoke, they checked her lungs with a nebulizer and recommended Jr. Claritin. It seems to help. We may need to get allergy testing, which is weird because no one in the family has allergies otherwise.

Posted by: LadyS at March 12, 2014 10:43 AM (tMTsS)

467 he says his rig was off Vung Tau which is near Ho Chi Minh City

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 10:44 AM (zOTsN)

468 at home in the blizzard waiting on bbq to get done wondering when to start shoveling and blowing snow around sposed to go on to midnight? what the hell I'm just hoping I CAN get home. Technically, it's illegal for me to do so. But I've driven during driving bans before. Here in Buffalo, we're used to doing what we gotta do in these situations. But the scary part is, we keep hearing that the worst is still yet to come.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 10:44 AM (7ObY1)

469 This isn't about who is being an "asshole" or not. It's about who understands economics or not.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 10:44 AM (ZPrif)

470 A copy repairman ain't friggin' management. But, screw 'em, if he doesn't like 50 hour weeks for 40 hour pay ... he needs to go do something else. Got it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 02:39 PM (F3IN5)

You want to know the real reason why the copy repairman was designated as salary?

I'll give you a choice.

a) He's fucking slow. He takes twice as long to do the same amount of work, and the employer was sick of paying the guy extra time and a half to do the same amount as others who get it done in 40.

b) The government mandated time and a half for extra hours instead of straight time.

c) abuse of overtime rules by lazy fucks looking to bump their pension payouts (see every public sector union ever)

d) inability to pay by the job instead of by the hour.

e) The employer is an asshole.

Your argument maintains that e) is the only possible answer. I submit to you that if you want to fix the problem, you have more to worry about than just the employer. Employers do a lot of reacting to asshole employees who have been taught, and taught well, to exploit everything they can.

Posted by: grognard at March 12, 2014 10:44 AM (/29Nl)

471 I do not understand you people that think business doesn't screw people over either. But Hey, fuck it. Let's Wage and Hour laws entirely. Maybe ban OSHA too. Work is now a sacrosanct contract between employer and employee. Fuck me and anyone else that thing different. Yeah. The GOP should TOTALLY go national with that. Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 02:29 PM (F3IN5) Scogg, no one is saying there aren't bad employers. Of course there are and they usually don't have the cream of the crop working for them. They usually have some of the worst employees, the worst customer service, and they don't stay in business long term. How is gov. coming in and saying that a bad employer simply needs to pay his employees more make up for a crappy work environment? If your employers is that inconsiderate of the work environment, then they will simply find a way around the rule, which will screw you over even more. Let the market dictate what you get paid and the conditions you work in (other than safety). If the economy were such and the government less intrusive, more businesses would be vying for more business and employees, a win for all. Google is an example....they bus their employees from their homes in SF, something that costs extra to the company. Why do they do that? Because they are looking for really good employees. They've determined that this is a perk that the type of employee they are looking for values. They could simply give them a parking stipend, etc. but this obviously is what their employees want. Same with the salaried positions. Many people want a salary position because the nature of the work and their own personal situation makes a salary position more favorable. Now we have the gov. coming in and ELIMINATING that choice from businesses and employees...because..fairness.

Posted by: Jen at March 12, 2014 10:45 AM (JqB3t)

472 Bigby, the PRC is the local 800lb gorilla. And Sheriff Barky is too busy taking vacations. === I get that but accident, and not PRC plane, iirc

Posted by: Bigby's Burned Fingers at March 12, 2014 10:45 AM (KgN8K)

473

Nip sip:

Well, to be totally accurate you would say that the jury found it more likely than not that Mr. Brannon knew or should have known the information he provided to the plaintiff investors, 2 former classmates, was misleading in nature.

Another weird thing: he didn't take the stand. Perhaps he had some shitty lawyers.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 10:45 AM (tVTLU)

474 or maybe it was another poster who was stuck at work. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2014 02:43 PM (XyM/Y) Heh-I think that's me.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 10:45 AM (7ObY1)

475 Speaking of flash point South China Sea.

The Philippines grounded a landing ship on an island where they have marines stationed. The PRC also claims the island and has blockaded two attempts by the Philippines from resupplying their forces.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/82564/ph-airdrops-supplies-to-troops-on-ayungin

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 10:45 AM (23VXG)

476 Well I'm glad she's doing better. Sometimes allergies seem to skip generations, oddly enough

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2014 10:46 AM (XyM/Y)

477 The "get a new job" routine, especially in this economy, ain't gonna win friends. -- I always say if there were more jobs than employers would compete by offering more. It boils down to govt squeezing the life out of he economy.

Posted by: votermom at March 12, 2014 10:46 AM (GSIDW)

478 I get that but accident, and not PRC plane, iirc Posted by: Bigby's yes but stuffed to the gills with PRC citizens

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 10:47 AM (zOTsN)

479 People will still bitch, but at least you'll have the facts on your side in that case. Posted by: Jeff B., RINO emeritus at March 12, 2014 02:42 PM (ewYO6) Bringing up the case at all is going to piss them off. Seems like it was all a democrat plot or something. It was suggested the other night that Brannon did the "honorable" thing by having a trial instead of settling. As Sgt Schultz said. http://tinyurl.com/pm7qlym

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 10:47 AM (0FSuD)

480 Should we oppose Right to Work laws, too? Many people thing they are "unfair" and "mean".

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 10:47 AM (ZPrif)

481 Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 02:45 PM (7ObY1) So are you home now or still having pizza at work?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2014 10:47 AM (XyM/Y)

482

Technically, it's illegal for me to do so. But I've driven during driving bans before.

WTH? How did we reach a point where a government entity tells you when you can travel?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 10:47 AM (eoeps)

483 Another weird thing: he didn't take the stand. Perhaps he had some shitty lawyers. Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 02:45 PM (tVTLU) OR perhaps he didn't want to commit perjury?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 12, 2014 10:48 AM (0FSuD)

484 it depresses me no end when we adopt the class warfare jargon of the left its unproductive

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 10:48 AM (zOTsN)

485 So the rig is near Saigon. So possible for him to have seen something. But will take with large grain of salt.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 10:48 AM (23VXG)

486 ObamaCare will be our communities' 9/11.

Posted by: What DemocRats Say Behind Closed Doors at March 12, 2014 10:48 AM (nbGZj)

487

The "get a new job" routine, especially in this economy, ain't gonna win friends.

The government instituting new workplace mandates ain't gonna grow jobs.

Posted by: not willow, but hoping to willow this thread at March 12, 2014 10:48 AM (A0sHn)

488 A copy repairman ain't friggin' management. But, screw 'em, if he doesn't like 50 hour weeks for 40 hour pay ... he needs to go do something else. Got it. Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 02:39 PM So you're saying, if a worker doesn't like his job, republicans should advocate for the government to force that business to change the job until he does?

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 10:49 AM (Ze8oh)

489 486 that totally worked nood

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 12, 2014 10:49 AM (gBnkX)

490

Flatbush ... I'm saying two things ...

One ... Many here seem to be peachy keen with classifying ALL jobs as salaried. Take votermom's story. You think that job complied with the spirit and intent of a Salaried position ? Hell no.

Two ... Many of you here, today, absolutely justified the mistrust most non-skilled labor holds toward the GOP. You attitude is simply surmised ... Fuck Em.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 10:49 AM (F3IN5)

491 The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. ...then we all live or die by our ability to wheedle "exemptions" from the cronies-that-be.

Posted by: NYC Parent at March 12, 2014 10:49 AM (HEo6y)

492 Kathleen Sebelius is reported as saying per "Legal Insurrection" that there has been no suspension of the Individual manadate

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2014 10:49 AM (XyM/Y)

493 Amen, votermom. This begins and ends with government interference.

Posted by: grognard at March 12, 2014 10:49 AM (/29Nl)

494 How did we reach a point where a government entity tells you when you can travel?

Search and rescue is expensive.

Posted by: HR at March 12, 2014 10:50 AM (ZKzrr)

495

Well, you could argue that Brannon stood up for his rights and fought this.

You do realize that, on the civil side, literally 1% or 2% of these cases actually go to trial, right??!! THAT'S ON THE HIGH SIDE.

A trial is a very scary thing. Totally unpredictable. And it took them TWO DAYS to come back with a verdict.

Did Brannon stand on principle and fight this? Absolutely. Was it the smart thing to do given his interest in running for Senate? Absolutely not. It was very risky to do this.

I like a fighter and would be excited to vote for him. It takes balls of steel to go to trial as a defendant, especially considering what he had to lose not just $$ wise. But if I was running his campaign I would have told him to settle this, or at least continue the case as long as possible!! lol

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 10:50 AM (tVTLU)

496 I can't imagine where all this talk of "screwing the workers" comes from. As someone who has run manufacturing plants, there is no logical reason to do it. Hourly pay in U.S. plants is not that big a factor in the overall scheme of things. In operations like we had, CNC turning, milling, broaching, centerless grinding, gear cutting, etc. labor costs were in the 16% to 18% range. Even if you successfully screwed employees, you could only reduce that by a few percent - far less than what would be worth it after you count in replacement costs of employees. Our factories ran with 50 hours minimum per week (10 hours mandatory overtime) with everyone encouraged to work at least 5 hours more on top of that. In this type of manufacturing, once the machines are up to temperature and running smooth, you want to keep them going for the highest throughput. Employers know that they make money when everything runs well and people are happy. There is no incentive to fuck people over.

Posted by: jwest at March 12, 2014 10:51 AM (u2a4R)

497

486 that totally worked

Hot damn!

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 12, 2014 10:51 AM (A0sHn)

498 486 that totally worked nood Thank God.

Posted by: eleven at March 12, 2014 10:51 AM (Hy7dS)

499 Speaking of Hogan's Heroes, the actress who played Frauline Helga has died. Cynthia Lynn was 76 and originally born in Riga Latvia.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 10:51 AM (23VXG)

500 The government instituting new workplace mandates ain't gonna grow jobs.

It ain't gonna make people who don't vote for conservatives vote for conservatives, either.

Posted by: HR at March 12, 2014 10:51 AM (ZKzrr)

501 @490 (Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand )

Posted by: NYC Parent at March 12, 2014 10:51 AM (HEo6y)

502 WTH? How did we reach a point where a government entity tells you when you can travel?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 02:47 PM (eoeps)

You've never heard of highways being closed due to severe weather? It's done because it is a lot easier to keep people off of some roads than have to go in and rescue them later.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sick of the Snowplow Bills for the Outrage Outlet - Bring Me The Head Of Al Gore! at March 12, 2014 10:52 AM (hLRSq)

503 Two ... Many of you here, today, absolutely justified the mistrust most non-skilled labor holds toward the GOP. You attitude is simply surmised ... Fuck Em.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 02:49 PM (F3IN5)

Instead of arguing in favor of an Obama policy that doesn't work, maybe you should be concerned about government interference that helps create the conditions where workers can be exploited.

The solution is educating the non-skilled labor to stop voting for Democrat policies that eventually screw them over, not to go along with every populist idea out of Barky's mouth.

Posted by: grognard at March 12, 2014 10:53 AM (/29Nl)

504 501 WTH? How did we reach a point where a government entity tells you when you can travel? Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 02:47 PM (eoeps) You can't plow 17 inches of snow when there's cars in the way. No harm no foul.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 10:54 AM (7ObY1)

505 All I'm saying is that we've got to strike a new populist tone. For small business and the working men and women of this country. Big business gets to ride our coattails, after all those fuckers give more $$ to dems anyway.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 12, 2014 10:55 AM (tVTLU)

506 Posted by: grognard at March 12, 2014 02:44 PM (/29Nl) Outstanding. Getcha a case a beer for dat one.

Posted by: Col. Kilgore, Crazy Fuck at March 12, 2014 10:55 AM (Nusok)

507 So are you home now or still having pizza at work? still at work. The 'za is long gone.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 12, 2014 10:55 AM (7ObY1)

508 Maybe Scoodog would be willing to give up some of his salary for the non skilled workers at his job. You should propose that to your manager.

Posted by: Rick Enrol at March 12, 2014 10:56 AM (jl269)

509 Serious proposal: We start calling it CruzCare. Considering that Obama has voluntarily gutted and rearranged his own law so substantially that it is now meaningless, and considering that he did this mostly out of fear of Ted Cruz and his populist call to rescind the law, the resulting product we are left with -- a toothless empty law that can be changed at will and which everyone ignores -- can mostly be credited to Ted Cruz. CruzCare!

Posted by: zombie at March 12, 2014 10:58 AM (mizYg)

510 Many of you here, today, absolutely justified the mistrust most non-skilled labor holds toward the GOP. You attitude is simply surmised ... Fuck Em. Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 02:49 PM ------------------------------------------ YEAH! The Dems are for the little guy! Bring in the government to fix it. That'll help.

Posted by: Everything I Just Said is Bullshit at March 12, 2014 10:59 AM (Ze8oh)

511

The very fucking notions of hourly pay and overtime are government constructs. Minimum workplace safety standards are government constructs.

Shall we abolish those ... to really unchain the economy ?

For a bunch that just LOVES to chastise the Left for a lack of historical awareness, your blindness to how and why we arrived at the current state of workplace law is ... well Hell, it's stereotypical GOP.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 10:59 AM (F3IN5)

512 I like to consider myself fairly intelligent but my brain hurts trying to figure out who and what needs to be covered by when under Obamacare.

Also Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Georgia sent me an obamacare notice yesterday and I'm not even American or resident.

Posted by: Future Illegal Immigrant at March 12, 2014 11:00 AM (OPg+h)

513 To clarify: ACA as it was passed = ObamaCare ACA as it is now being implemented = CruzCare

Posted by: zombie at March 12, 2014 11:00 AM (mizYg)

514 The bilateral relations between the People's Republic of China and the Socialist Republic of Vietnam have been turbulent, despite their common socialist background. Centuries of conquest by modern China's imperial predecessor have given Vietnam an entrenched suspicion of Chinese attempts to dominate it.[1][2][3] Though the PRC assisted North Vietnam during the Vietnam War, relations between the two nations soured following Vietnam's reunification in 1975. China and Vietnam fought a brief border war in 1979, but have since worked to improve their diplomatic and economic ties. However, the two countries remain in dispute over territorial issues in the South China Sea.[4] ohoooohhhoooo

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 11:01 AM (zOTsN)

515 Your inability to understand cause and effect is stereotypical DNC.

Posted by: Rick Enrol at March 12, 2014 11:02 AM (jl269)

516 Zombie, CruzCare comes with a more ergonomic buttplug .... *thud*

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 11:03 AM (23VXG)

517 so Malaysia and VN are tight, VN hates China, Malaysia trade with China could get very very messy I still think it was an accidental shoot down by someone, but that doesn't mean it wont get very very messy VN an China bickering over the South China Sea right now. Where this plane disappeared

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 11:03 AM (zOTsN)

518

And Enrol, blow it out your sanctimonious ass. I don't give two shits what they pay the non-skilled help. The market DOES decide.

But pay them hourly. The landscaper, the janitor ... they are not salaried employees. Never should be.

You sound like somebody that wants unlimited product for a fixed price.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 11:04 AM (F3IN5)

519 502 Two ... Many of you here, today, absolutely justified the mistrust most non-skilled labor holds toward the GOP. You attitude is simply surmised ... Fuck Em. Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 02:49 PM (F3IN5) Grognard has it absolutely correct. Non-skilled labor does not understand the adversarial relationship that government interference creates and that they perpetuate that relationship with (D)Marxist votes. Every employer I have ever had paid overtime. Every employer I have ever had tried everything possible to avoid it. Also, that wonderful overtime is TAXED at a higher rate by the wonderful GOVERNMENT. What kind of worker friendly policy is that? The non-skilled worker is getting boned sideways and has been for decades and it's not by Fiscon Republicans.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 12, 2014 11:05 AM (Nusok)

520 Yes thunderb the South China Sea is a flashpoint that everyone in the region will care about. It is also the most direct route for VLCCs to bring oil to the RoC, South Korea, and Japan.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 11:06 AM (23VXG)

521 The very fucking notions of hourly pay and overtime are government constructs. Minimum workplace safety standards are government constructs. Shall we abolish those ... to really unchain the economy ? ------------------------------------ I would totally do that because it's the right thing to do. But,I do not do that because the ignorant would have a fucking hissy.

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 11:08 AM (Ze8oh)

522 would not

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 11:11 AM (Ze8oh)

523 would not

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 11:11 AM (Ze8oh)

524 would not

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 11:11 AM (Ze8oh)

525 McCain was primaried by a good conservative last time. A radio show guy with good name recognition. McCain was savage smearing him. Can't use Husain's middle name, no he saves his real hate for the right. A true war hero but a RINO, wants to be loved.

Posted by: jrcobbstr at March 12, 2014 11:12 AM (OGuBw)

526

They sure as hell do not understand politics, 98Z. But they understand one thing ... much better than I could, until today ...

... if the GOP gets their way, the 40 hour week is gone. Overtime after 40 ? Gone.

Look at how many here are four-square in favor of salaried classifications for pretty much every job under the sun.

Alot of the Trades Guys talk politics with me. About 1/3 of them are Closet Republicans. Bet they have no fucking clue just how good being Salaried would be for them.

After today, I gotta' admit, I see no reason for them to ever think of leaving their union.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 11:13 AM (F3IN5)

527 So you're saying, if a worker doesn't like his job, republicans should advocate for the government to force that business to change the job until he does?

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 02:49 PM (Ze8oh)

My maternal great-grandfather started working in the coal mines when he was 12 because kids could wiggle through smaller spaces in the mines than full-grown men. At 18, he struck out on his own and went to Indiana and found a factory job where he wouldn't, you know, fucking die. As an aside, Duke Energy denied that black lung disease was an occupational hazard in coal mining until forced to acknowledge the connection in the 70's. Was it a bad thing for federal and state governments to implement child labor and work safety laws and regulations?

The GOP has an opportunity here. It can step up and claim as its own those we used to call Reagan Democrats, working people who love our country and don't identify with the rent-seeking goals of the coalitions of the Democratic Party. That opportunity is lost if the Ayn Rand acolytes and laissez-faire crowd have their way. If it helps, the US Chamber of Commerce--particularly on immigration--has proven itself not to be a friend of conservatism. They just love the thought of all that sweet, cheap labor that millions of suddenly legalized illegal immigrants would represent, and are currently the same big money donors bankrolling those we call the GOP Establishment, the same ones who think Jeb Bush, that squishy loser, is the man of the hour, largely because of Jeb Bush's pro-amnesty stance on immigration reform.

Posted by: troyriser at March 12, 2014 11:14 AM (2jF2B)

528 I would totally do that because it's the right thing to do. But,I do not do that because the ignorant would have a fucking hissy.

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 03:08 PM (Ze8oh)

I take it 'the ignorant' would be those who are not you? How's illiteracy working out for you, by the way? Was 2nd grade tough?

Posted by: troyriser at March 12, 2014 11:20 AM (2jF2B)

529 Was 2nd grade tough? Posted by: troyriser at March 12, 2014 03:20 PM Only the first time.

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 11:22 AM (Ze8oh)

530

You got it TOTALLY wrong, troy. The Triangle Shirtwaist Fire ? Never happened. And besides, those 146 people - mostly women - entered into a contract with their employer. Nobody else's business. Butt the fuck out.

I love the irony. Many people here hate the Libertarian bent on social issues. But hey, when it comes to workplace regulation ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 11:24 AM (F3IN5)

531 Uhh, the unions were who originally fought for hourly increase in wages, overtime, and safety regulations. The government became their "partner" after the fact. All done initially with good intentions. I don't see where the majority of readers here are advocating that safety laws, child labor laws, etc. be removed. Most early government laws and safety standards were common sense laws that were a benefit to both employee and employer. What has happenend now is that common sense is no longer the driving force in instituting laws. It is political pandering. It is the creation of the Dept. of Labor, something not in the constitution , and it's growth, bloat, and political bureacracy that posters are against. Every time the GOP, or a conservative attempts to walk back one of these agencies or their thousands of regulations, the same partisan interests begin screaming that the GOP wants to eliminate all work rules, all safety rules. Take women's birth control away, put gays in prisons, etc. See how it works?

Posted by: Jen at March 12, 2014 11:29 AM (JqB3t)

532

Bullshit Jen. Check post 520. One admission right there.

Now check the entire thread. How many times was support expressed for eliminating overtime after 40, regardless of position ? I lost count.

You can not have it both ways. GOP supporters can't repeatedly support the elimination of overtime pay ... then expect the losers of that pay to feel anything but screwed.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 11:35 AM (F3IN5)

533 Filling out the form now.

Reason 14, baby!
14 You experienced another hardship in obtaining health insurance. Please submit documentation if possible
( insert Nelson Muntz laugh here )

Posted by: Kristophr at March 12, 2014 11:38 AM (c6N69)

534 Oh, and it is good of Obama to fulfill a Mitt Romney campaign promise, a 50 state exemption.

( another Nelson laugh )

Posted by: Kristophr at March 12, 2014 11:40 AM (c6N69)

535 Every time the GOP, or a conservative attempts to walk back one of these agencies or their thousands of regulations, the same partisan interests begin screaming that the GOP wants to eliminate all work rules, all safety rules. Take women's birth control away, put gays in prisons, etc.

See how it works?

Posted by: Jen at March 12, 2014 03:29 PM (JqB3t)

My argument is that the GOP should take a more populist approach and at least make the attempt to shed its friend of big business image--which isn't really so much true anymore anyway, given the rampant corporatism of the current Administration.

The country is rapidly coalescing into two classes: those who work and receive little benefit from government entitlement programs and those who don't work and who receive enormous benefits from government entitlement programs. In short, makers and takers. Presented this way, the GOP can portray itself as the party of makers and beat the Democrats on their own class-war turf.

Posted by: troyriser at March 12, 2014 11:41 AM (2jF2B)

536 not totally unrelated--- REDDIT is a CARGO CULT of PC Holy crap.

Posted by: tasker at March 12, 2014 11:43 AM (RJMhd)

537 My point,(that I should have made without the ignorant crack) was that government is not the only way of achieving safety in the workplace. (I was speaking of OSHA in particular) I believe modern litigiousness and the ever-present smartphone have rendered OSHA largely superfluous. OSHA standards have become merely the minimum level a business can achieve and hope not to get sued. I would absolutely do away with the minimum wage. Someone will need to relieve me of MY ignorance,(and I've got plenty) on the horrors that await us without the government construct of hourly pay.

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 12:03 PM (Ze8oh)

538 140 These new OT rules solve the problem of American corporations who won't hire more executives and spread-the-work... This is why my husband never makes it home. -- Posted by: Nancy Pelosi
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Wait. Pelousy is married?

I guess some guys'll go for anything when they're desperate. (Though I suspect she was rather pretty in her youth, say, during the early Cretaceous.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at March 12, 2014 12:27 PM (BDU/a)

539 The country is rapidly coalescing into two classes: those who work and receive little benefit from government entitlement programs and those who don't work and who receive enormous benefits from government entitlement programs. In short, makers and takers. Presented this way, the GOP can portray itself as the party of makers and beat the Democrats on their own class-war turf. Posted by: troyriser at March 12, 2014 03:41 PM (2jF2B) The GOP tried that. Remember Mitt Romney's 47% comment? The Dems/left lit his hair on fire then burned him at the stake for that private comment. The only hope the GOP has is in trying to demonstrate how working and drawing a paycheck provides better for a family than the government can. Which is becoming a difficult sell when the Gov. continues to regulate businesses out of competition and continues to create more and more dependency programs.

Posted by: Jen at March 12, 2014 12:34 PM (JqB3t)

540 OSHA standards have become merely the minimum level a business can achieve and hope not to get sued. Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 04:03 PM (Ze8oh) Without OSHA standards, how would a court decide a lawsuit in favor of either the employee or employer? Industry wide standards signed onto between individual companies? Who would make up those standards? This is why unions used to fight for their work rules to become the standard prior to there being any kind of legal standard. OSHA was developed out of a need for a third party mediator. Problem is , like with any political body, it becomes, political. As with gov. itself, the problem is how to control it, not that it needs to be totally eliminated.

Posted by: Jen at March 12, 2014 12:41 PM (JqB3t)

541

Posted by: Jen at March 12, 2014 04:34 PM (JqB3t)

Mitt Romney was easy to portray as a corporate fat cat aristocrat complaining about the dirty, nasty peons taking money more properly spent on a fourth parking garage in his palatial mansion. Romney's 47% comment was a noose around his particularly well-heeled neck, which was unfair in the first place since--if memory serves--he was referring to that segment of the voter demographic who couldn't be transformed into GOP voters in 2012, and wasn't making any kind of denigrating remark about poor people at all.

Besides, that 'fat cat' accusation couldn't be made against a candidate from a more modest background, which encompasses just about any possible GOP candidate except Jon Huntsman, whose family is as well-to-do as Romney's.

Posted by: troyriser at March 12, 2014 12:45 PM (2jF2B)

542

Get me now, Jen ? Yes, apparently some Republicans want to shit-can any and all notion of mandated safety rules, wage and hour law, and the rest.

Not modify them. Not simplify them. Eliminate them. Economic Anarchy. Survival of the Richest. I think I just made those up.

Hypocrites by and large. Ask them about social issues ... and you will get an entirely different tune. This pisses me off.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 12:47 PM (F3IN5)

543 Here s an ugly little fact: it may be pushed out but the damage is done. We are a small company that had the most generous health care plan possible. Employees paid zip for everything. We maxed them out. Paid boatloads into HSA s and stuff like that. In December for renewal we found our " equivalent " was a bronze plan. WTF? Well it is all about the deductable. It got kicked to the moon. Even after we maxed out our contributions there will still be a gap . That is the quiet killer. If an employee of our plan gets sick, he ll be ok. If he gets really sick he is out thousands. That is how this shitshow will play out for those in bad shape. It is done. But some broad at Georgetown Law gets her birth control pills paid for so i guess it s a wash.

Posted by: Mac at March 12, 2014 01:03 PM (4T5lL)

544 Someone will need to relieve me of MY ignorance,(and I've got plenty) on the horrors that await us without the government construct of hourly pay.

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 04:03 PM (Ze8oh)

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As the folks coming over the border. After amnesty employers won't be allowed to pay $2.00/hr for them, so they'll go on unemployment (and medicaid and welfare) and a whole new group of illegals will come in and make less than the minimum wage.

Posted by: Future Illegal Immigrant at March 12, 2014 01:20 PM (OPg+h)

545 Hypocrites by and large. Ask them about social issues ... and you will get an entirely different tune. This pisses me off. Posted by: ScoggDog at March 12, 2014 04:47 PM -------------------------------- Um.. not from this guy. Except abortion, which I consider depriving another human of life without due process of law.

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 06:19 PM (DtNNC)

546 541 Someone will need to relieve me of MY ignorance,(and I've got plenty) on the horrors that await us without the government construct of hourly pay. Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 04:03 PM (Ze8oh) ---- As the folks coming over the border. After amnesty employers won't be allowed to pay $2.00/hr for them, so they'll go on unemployment (and medicaid and welfare) and a whole new group of illegals will come in and make less than the minimum wage. Posted by: Future Illegal Immigrant at March 12, 2014 05:20 PM ---------------------------------------- Sorry, my ignorance is getting the better of me, again. Can you restate your position, as I'm not sure what you are arguing for or against.

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 06:23 PM (DtNNC)

547 "Without OSHA standards, how would a court decide a lawsuit in favor of either the employee or employer? Industry wide standards signed onto between individual companies? Who would make up those standards? " --------------------------- The standards will be made up on the spot as they are now. A litigious plaintiff/attorney and a jury will decide things. How, exactly, do you think it works?

Posted by: irright at March 12, 2014 06:28 PM (DtNNC)

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