March 08, 2014

Saturday Afternoon Yard and Garden Thread: Q Branch Edition [Y-not and WeirdDave]
— Open Blogger

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Good afternoon, morons and moronettes! Welcome to your Saturday Gardening Thread. Today’s “topic” is gardening trends and gadgets. To get in the mood, put on your tux, light a cigarette, and pour yourself a dry martini (shaken, not stirred).

The Home & Garden Show season is in full swing, which is to say that it seems to be nearly over in much of the country. However, our local show is this weekend, so it only just now hit my radar. Never having been to one of these shows before, I didnÂ’t know what to expect. So armed with my trusty camera phone and the $10 admission fee, I headed off to the show on Friday afternoon. The sacrifice it required for me to mix and mingle with the Great Unwashed Masses inside a hot, chaotic convention center when I could have been enjoying a beautiful Spring day was considerable, but what can I say? IÂ’m a giver!

I arrived shortly after the three-day event opened. The venue was large, noisy, and poorly ventilated. It took me about an hour and a half to walk up and down all of the aisles too look at all of the booths, stopping at a handful that interested me.

Upshot? It was much more of a “home” than a “garden” show. So my dreams of having tons of content for today’s post were quickly dashed. I did find the mix of displays to be “interesting”. In addition to the usual home improvement contractors, there were a few cheesetastic crafts booths, a bunch of cookware displays (and demos), numerous chiropractors, one baker (I bought a loaf of pumpernickel bread from them), MANY MANY mattress displays, even MORE booths hawking sheets, some financial planners, and a couple of crematoria and mortuary booths! Sadly, the crematorium one was not directly adjacent to the barbecue display – THAT would have been comedy gold!

Out of hundreds of displays, there was one unique one displaying prototypes of a hydroponic wall system. The idea is that youÂ’d mount this self-contained unit on a wall in your house. The inventor claimed that using this system you can grow several heads of lettuce (or whatever plant you choose) each week. (There is also a light fixture, but they had not gotten that set up yet so itÂ’s not in the photo.) Anyway, it was the most unusual thing I saw there so I thought IÂ’d share it with you:

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Wall-mounted hydroponic growing unit developed by Fahrenheit70.

I gotta say, there is a certain appeal of having a wall-mounted system for growing herbs, if it actually worked and was attractive. IÂ’d rather have that than potted plants cluttering my kitchen window sill.

If you are interested in attending one of these shows, here are some resources to help you find where and when theyÂ’re being held: Listing of home and garden shows in North America, courtesy of one of the trade show organizations and a searchable database of home and garden shows courtesy of FestivalNet.

So aside from Killer Robot Spider Lamps, what are the hot trends for your garden this year? According to the Lawn and Garden Retailer magazine, here are some of the things to look for 2014. (You’ll note how on-trend this blog is – we hit the first one right out of the gate!)

1. Ground Up: Recycling food scraps and creating compost is the new recycling.

2. Super Foods, Super Models: Edibles are going to the next level with foodies growing everything from quinoa to dandelions in straw bales and keyhole gardens.

What’s a “keyhole garden,” you ask? Well, it’s a type of circular raised bed with an active compost pile in the center. The keyhole refers to a notch in the structure that extends to the center of the bed for access to the compost pile.

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Diagram of a keyhole garden design taken from the Inspiration Green website.

Keyhole gardens were popularized in Africa, but work very well in other hot, dry climates. They can also be quite attractive:

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Example of a keyhole garden in Texas builty by Deb Tolman (www.debtolman.com).

Make sure to follow the link to read more about these cool garden structures.

Back to the trends list,

5. Bee-neficials: ItÂ’s all about the bees this year. Bees are at forefront of environmentally aware consumersÂ’ minds, inspiring them to plant native, pollen rich flowers, trees and veggies to provide safe shelters.

DonÂ’t we have a few bee-keeper morons and moronettes here? If thereÂ’s enough interest, we can devote a post to this topic. I admit, I know nothing about bee-keeping. Courtesy of Popular Mechanics, hereÂ’s a quick primer on getting started keeping your own bees.

9. Young Men Get Down and Dirty: Big surprise here: young men 18-34 are spending $100 more than the average gardener. They are grilling, growing their own hops for beer, and taking the kids out to play in the dirt.

I guess this makes sense, although I’m not sure I’d classify a 34 year old as “young,” despite my advanced age. It’s also a good excuse to post this picture of a somewhat older man getting “down and dirty” for the moronettes:

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Three words: Shirtless Mike Rowe. YouÂ’re welcome, ladies!

(BTW, Mike Rowe is popular with older ghey dudes. DonÂ’t ask me how I know. shudder)

Finally, per the gardening trends report

11. Fingertip Gardens: Gardens go high tech with mobile apps and technology.

I found some great lists of high tech garden gadgets at Mashable and Urban Gardens. A lot of these gadgets are designed to remind us to feed and water our plants, so I guess IÂ’m not the only forgetful gardener out there!

To wrap things up, this week my Blog of the Week is not really a blog, per se, but the Utah State University Cooperative Extension site. ItÂ’s really quite good. In addition to gardening and agricultural information, thereÂ’s also quite a bit on food preservation and storage, which I think is of interest to some of our morons. If thereÂ’s one thing Utah is known for, itÂ’s PREPPERS!


And now for the comedy stylings of WeirdDave!

(Please note: it should go without saying, but this post is a work of satire, as are most of my gardening posts. SAT-IRE. Google it. Then read Swift, Jonathan “A Modest Proposal”. Then lighten up, Francis)

Today weÂ’re talking about gardening gadgets. There are any number of labor saving devices that one can deploy to make their gardening life easier, but one in particular comes to mind. It is endlessly efficient, yet be warned that it can be difficult to work with. You can get many, many years of productive use out of one, and in fact it is a generational tool. Properly treated, it is a tool that will in the fullness of time produce other tools that will make the toil of your twilight years immeasurably easier. Acquiring one, however, is not for the faint of heart, and care and maintenance is a full time job in and of itself. I am talking of course about a kid.

A kid is the perfect gadget to make your gardening life simple. Properly utilized you can support one on just a small portion of the food that it raises, leaving the lionÂ’s share of the harvest for your enjoyment. Kids also enjoy working outdoors with their hands and have a primal connection with the soil. Put a kid to work in your garden and it will be grateful for being given a purpose in life.

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Pictured: Gratitude

The hard part about deploying a kid in your garden is acquiring one. Kids are literally everywhere, so you would think it would be easy just to pick one up without anyone missing it. Such is not the case. The quaint kid dealer, operating out of a rusty Dodge van with the traditional “Free candy” logo is a thing of the past. Kids are able to bite and scratch so it’s hazardous to attempt to harvest a free range one from a local playground, and other people value their children for the work they do in their gardens, so they tend to keep a weather eye on them. No, the way to go is to produce one yourself, but I warn you, the process is daunting.

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Back off buddy, my peas need picking, get your own.

The first thing you need to produce your own kid is a woman (this guide is written from a male perspective. I have no idea how, or even if, women think). Women are all over the place, they’re the ones with the bumpy things on their chests. In order to produce a kid, you must find a likely woman ( Pro-tip: not all women can produce kids. For best results find one between the ages of 18-40 ). Once you’ve located a woman, you must approach her. Your approach should be tailored to the woman you chose. With younger women, a conversation about vampires and werewolves works well. Women over 30 are more likely to respond to overtures featuring feelings, approval of nesting behaviors and an admiration of something called “knick-knacks”. A longing to “make a good home with someone” and a desire to “love unconditionally” can enhance your appeal. Once you find a good woman, the wooing commences.

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Woman bait

Wooing is a very complicated subject that is probably beyond the scope of this guide. There are plenty of very informative resources available online, Google them. The end game here is to convince a woman to mate with you, and thatÂ’s where the horror begins. I am presenting this information here in a clinical manner. We are gardeners, we pit our wit and ability against the unfeeling anger of Mother Nature. Our calling is not for the faint of heart, and as distasteful as this section may be, I ask you to find the nerve inside yourself to absorb the information with a stout heart. I ask this not lightly because in order to produce a kid of your own, you must engage in.......sex.

At some point after you have located a woman and wooed her, you will find yourself alone with her, probably in a bedroom, and the two of you will disrobe. Standing naked before each other, it’s time for the sex to begin. Observe the woman. Notice that while you have a proud pee pee, she does not. Do NOT feel sorry for her lack, and most especially do not point it out to her, it’s not her fault, nature made her that way. Reminding her that she doesn’t own a willie will only lead to bad feelings. The first thing you have to do is make your pee pee stand up. Stroke it gently and tell it how much you like it. Flatter it. Soon enough it will become interested and stand up tall and proud. You’ll be able to look right at its hole and it will look back at you (true fact: this is where the phrase “seeing eye to eye” comes from). Ask your wooed woman to lie down. Here’s where it gets ugly.

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Sex

If you examine the nest of hair the woman has between her legs, you will find that there is an opening there. You must (shudder), put your pee pee into this opening. Once it’s in, slide it out, but unfortunately not all the way. Push it back in (I know, I know). Do this again. And again. Keep doing it until a warm feeling envelopes you and your pee pee does something like peeing (pro tip: It’s NOT peeing. Do not pee at this point or most likely you’ll have to start all over again finding another woman. If she doesn‘t demand this, forget gardening, your life is about to become a carnal hell from which you won’t escape. Word to the wise). At this point it’s traditional to say something meaningless, “You were great, baby” usually suffices. Now you wait. If you’re very lucky, within a few months your woman will start to make a baby out of food. You’ll know this is happening because she’ll start to glow and put on weight, plus when you come home she’ll greet you with a drawn gun and a demand for pickles and ice cream. (pro tip: Get them for her. For God’s sake, get them for her. Immediately) If you’re not lucky you’ll have to do the “sex” thing again until it takes. 9 months later your very own kid will arrive! Now you can start training him or her to garden for you. This process takes some years and really should be the subject of another post.

I apologize for the graphic and horrifying nature of this post, but if you want the ultimate garden gadget there really isnÂ’t any other way to get it. I know the process described herein is distasteful, but the results are well worth it. My hope is that the garden labor saved by utilizing a kid will, in time, more than compensate for the terrifying method that is required to get one.


Happy gardening!

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:43 AM | Comments (167)
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1 I gotta say, there is a certain appeal of having a wall-mounted system for growing herbs, if it actually worked and was attractive. IÂ’d rather have that than potted plants cluttering my kitchen window sill. ===== Kitchen Crashers on DIY put one of those in someone's kitchen. Pretty cool.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 08, 2014 07:45 AM (bCEmE)

2 Traffic seems light on the current political thread, so I won't bother to post a political Open Thread... unless you guys want one.

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 07:46 AM (zDsvJ)

3 I'm so excited about spring, I wet my plants.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 08, 2014 07:46 AM (Fsvd8)

4 Well, I see what Gingy was "OMG'ing" about earlier.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 07:48 AM (wMsMv)

5 ROTFLMAO CSM!

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 07:49 AM (zDsvJ)

6 Wow, that was a lot of work. Thanks. A question for you gardeners. I have an empty lot which I have dumped tons of leaves in over the years. They rot, etc. Are they good for anything besides growing worms for fishing?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 07:49 AM (0FSuD)

7 >>4 Well, I see what Gingy was "OMG'ing" about earlier. Dave's material is best read while wearing a trenchcoat!

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 07:51 AM (zDsvJ)

8 Here's the one Kitchen Crashers installed. It's different than the one pictured here...more of a wall herb garden but same principle: http://tinyurl.com/k9wkgxr

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 08, 2014 07:53 AM (bCEmE)

9 "Dave's material is best read while wearing a trenchcoat!"

Dave's material is best not found on your person, if stopped by a policeman near school property.
While wearing a trenchcoat.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 07:54 AM (wMsMv)

10 Oooh, that's nice. Thanks Tami!

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 07:55 AM (zDsvJ)

11 Yeah, it is time to go down and find me another Jane's Magnolia to replace the one I had.  First a late May 3-day hard freeze stunted it bad.  Then as it was gradually recovering I went in the hospital for a week and it was hot and dry.  Wifey did not water it and that killed it the rest of the way.


This is what it looked like only smaller, before the freeze.


http://tinyurl.com/q4qeu3l

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 07:55 AM (T2V/1)

12 So I think these keyhole gardens are pretty cool. Will be curious to see if any of our gardening morons have tried them.

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 07:56 AM (zDsvJ)

13 2 Traffic seems light on the current political thread, so I won't bother to post a political Open Thread... unless you guys want one. Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 11:46 AM (zDsvJ) Is that a hint that I should get a life, or at least take up gardening?

Posted by: rickl at March 08, 2014 07:56 AM (sdi6R)

14 Nah, rickl! Actually, I might put up a thread about the missing Malaysian plane.

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 07:57 AM (zDsvJ)

15 The inventor claimed that using this system you can grow several heads of lettuce (or whatever plant you choose) each week. I thought the code word for indoor hydroponic-grown plants was "tomatoes".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 08, 2014 07:58 AM (SY2Kh)

16 Actually, I might put up a thread about the missing Malaysian plane. Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 11:57 AM (zDsvJ) It's not coming back, they've called off the search.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 07:58 AM (0FSuD)

17 The SCOAMF is a gutless pussy.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 08, 2014 08:00 AM (jN8bg)

18 I'm kind of surprised there isn't a London Boys video at the end of this post.

Posted by: MTF at March 08, 2014 08:01 AM (F58x4)

19 Man, daylight saving time really snuck up on me this year. PSA: Set your clocks ahead tonight before going to bed.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 08, 2014 08:01 AM (bCEmE)

20 Y-Not, I'll be moving to your neck of the woods at the end of the month.  Got a position in SLC and we are looking to buy in Park City.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 08, 2014 08:01 AM (o9Rp5)

21 Philistines. YOU try writing satire, k? It's not as easy as it looks.

Posted by: Weirddave at March 08, 2014 08:02 AM (N/cFh)

22 Highly skeptical of these "kids."  I have five of these so-called "kids" and my garden still sucks.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 08, 2014 08:05 AM (o9Rp5)

23 Man, daylight saving time really snuck up on me this year. PSA: Set your clocks ahead tonight before going to bed. People go to bed before 2am?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 08, 2014 08:05 AM (SY2Kh)

24 "Philistines. YOU try writing satire, k? It's not as easy as it looks."

Dave,my hat is off to you.
No-one writes the satire like you do.
The problem is, it comes across as effortless on your part.

That's a sure sign of being in the presence of a Master.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 08:05 AM (wMsMv)

25 Congrats, Duke! Park City, eh? How YOU doin'?!! ;-)

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 08:07 AM (zDsvJ)

26 Hard for me to get in the gardening mood. We still have 3 feet of postracial aggressive warming in the floor of Gaia. We won't see anything green outside until mid May. Bleh.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 08, 2014 08:07 AM (bXdYS)

27 DST is an attempt by the government to screw the plants in your garden by  saving daylight so the plants don't get it!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 08, 2014 08:08 AM (o3MSL)

28 An open thread would be nice.  The missing 777 had a LOT of Chinese/Taiwanese citizens aboard.  And CPAC stuff, too.

Posted by: mrp at March 08, 2014 08:08 AM (JBggj)

29 26 Hard for me to get in the gardening mood. We still have 3 feet of postracial aggressive warming in the floor of Gaia. -- Did you see last week's thread? There was some stuff about making mini-greenhouses out of milk jugs and setting them outside to get your plants started -- in the snow.

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 08:09 AM (zDsvJ)

30 Open thread for non-gardening chat below this one. (Not that I really mind you going off-topic here...)

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 08:10 AM (zDsvJ)

31 Alternate Title:  Good and Evil in the Garden of Crotch Fruit

Posted by: Fritz at March 08, 2014 08:10 AM (UzPAd)

32 "There was some stuff about making mini-greenhouses out of milk jugs and setting them outside to get your plants started -- in the snow."


Wait.
You can use bewbies to grow plants???

Why does no-one tell me these things.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 08:10 AM (wMsMv)

33 Did you see last week's thread? There was some stuff about making mini-greenhouses out of milk jugs and setting them outside to get your plants started -- in the snow. Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 12:09 No but I'll have to check it out. But it's hard for me to grow anything where I live as I am basically in the middle of the woods. I have very little in the way of open yard so I don't get a ton of sunlight in the summer.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 08, 2014 08:11 AM (bXdYS)

34 Hoping one of the cobloggers puts up some CPAC stuff. I assume some of them are there... ?

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 08:11 AM (zDsvJ)

35 Open thread for non-gardening chat below this one.
===
Yay!  Thanks.

Posted by: mrp at March 08, 2014 08:12 AM (JBggj)

36 Link to last week's thread: http://minx.cc/?post=347533 Here's the specific thing: http://www.gardendesign.com/seed-sowing-snow

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 08:13 AM (zDsvJ)

37 How hard is it to grow rosemary or tarragon in an outdoor container?

Posted by: mrp at March 08, 2014 08:14 AM (JBggj)

38 Soooo, that's how your supposed to do it, eh? The things I learn here...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 08, 2014 08:15 AM (0HooB)

39 >.37 How hard is it to grow rosemary or tarragon in an outdoor container? Some varieties of rosemary are very hardy and all (I think) are drought resistant. It loves sun. My tarragon plants did very well, too. I had them in the raised beds (so not too different from a pot, really). They can tolerate some shade as well.

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 08:16 AM (zDsvJ)

40 Kids are indeed a great garden tool. They are especially suited for weeding, once you instruct them properly as to what is a weed versus what is a desired plant. I used to give my kids a paper grocery bag each day and tell them they couldn't go play till that bag was full of weeds. They became experts on picking high volume fluffy weeds. Go figure. My daughter hated weeding so much that she swore when she got her own place, it would be an apartment in a paved parking lot, with not a plant in sight. She of course now lives on three acres in the country with a large garden.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2014 08:20 AM (oMKp3)

41 As soon as I produced my personal child gardening tools I was able to escape that whole sex thing. What a relief.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2014 08:22 AM (oMKp3)

42 What are those robot lamps for? If they had a small cooler on top for beer, I could see it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 08, 2014 08:22 AM (0HooB)

43 Hey, I just saw a sign of spring! There was a fly on my window. Effin' bugs coming back. Yay.

Posted by: rickl at March 08, 2014 08:23 AM (sdi6R)

44 I just want to know if the movie was any good...

Posted by: shredded chi at March 08, 2014 08:24 AM (iGuUj)

45 Sadly, the crematorium one was not directly adjacent to the barbecue display – THAT would have been comedy gold!

There's a popular smoked-meat restaurant in a town I used to live in with seating that overlooks a veterinarian's office crematorium.  Doesn't seem to hurt sales, or maybe people who don't work with dead people don't notice these things like my folks do.



Back on topic, I have this annoying strip between the house and the front sidewalk that's about 1' wide by 20' long or so.  There are lilies--orange and red, bloom in June--planted about every three feet, and I don't know what was originally planted between but nothing's come up in two years.  What should go there?  Can't be anything fragile, rain rolls off the roof there.  Should also be minimal care post-planting, because I am busy and lazy.

Was kind of thinking hostas.  I don't know.

Posted by: HR at March 08, 2014 08:24 AM (hO8IJ)

46 Good movie, shredded. Make sure to check out the Q Branch link. It's fun.

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 08:25 AM (zDsvJ)

47 This may have been discussed last week along with the milk jugs. But there is a lot of info out there on Cold Frame gardening to extend your gardening season/get and early start in the north.

http://tinyurl.com/ohmqctq

Posted by: The Hickster at March 08, 2014 08:25 AM (TI3xG)

48 So HR, is it a sunny strip? (If tiger lilies grow there I was thinking yes... ?) Aren't hostas more of a shade-loving thing?

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 08:27 AM (zDsvJ)

49 Posted by: HR at March 08, 2014 12:24 PM (hO8IJ) I like hardy cranesbill geraniums. They are nothing like the common geraniums used in planters. They are perennials, with lovely flowers that last a long time. The foliage is attractive too.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2014 08:28 AM (oMKp3)

50 I tried bringing in a couple of my long narrow pots this winter that I grow lettuce in. I put them in a cool upstairs bedroom that gets a lot of light and kept them watered. Had fresh lettuce all winter. But that wall hanging gizmo looks kinda neat.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at March 08, 2014 08:29 AM (CnA98)

51 Was kind of thinking hostas. I don't know. Posted by: HR at March 08, 2014 12:24 PM (hO8IJ) Hostas get pretty wide....wouldn't they partially block the sidewalk?

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 08, 2014 08:29 AM (bCEmE)

52 I like hardy cranesbill geraniums. They are nothing like the common geraniums used in planters. They are perennials, with lovely flowers that last a long time. The foliage is attractive too. ---- I second that! And they spread. The other thing I like are silver mounds. We had those on a slope that was difficult to access and they did great. Only thing is they might not like wet feet.

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 08:30 AM (zDsvJ)

53 "Hostas get pretty wide....wouldn't they partially block the sidewalk?"

We have Hostas in the back yard in a narrow but long stretch between the fence and our back sidewalk.
About once every two weeks I have to trim them back along the sidewalk, but they splay out in the other directions just fine.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 08:35 AM (wMsMv)

54 Posted by: HR at March 08, 2014 12:24 PM (hO8IJ) Yea, I'm thinking the run off is the issue, otherwise I'd say a salvia like May Night or East Freissland. Maybe echinacea, phlox and/pr monarda? Some camassia? Coreopsis?

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 08:37 AM (Pfvig)

55 And daylilies. There are so many to choose from....

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 08:37 AM (Pfvig)

56 VIA: About once every two weeks I have to trim them back along the sidewalk... HR: Should also be minimal care post-planting, because I am busy and lazy...

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 08, 2014 08:37 AM (bCEmE)

57
Saw the first crocus yesterday.  Get to it gardeners.  Mother Nature is coming by to mock your feeble gardening attempts soon.

She does this with weeds.  and squirrels.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 08, 2014 08:38 AM (gorVZ)

58 Seriously, thanks you two for all the work that goes into this thread. Consistently one of my favorites! I'm intrigued by this "keyhole garden" concept - I have space, but still use raised beds. I'll have to look into them further. I too am curious as to if any morons give one a go... HR, I have a few very hardy hosta varieties that do well in sun. What kind of exposure does that strip get? (That sounds a little risque) I think hosta would look great mixed in with lily, too.

Posted by: shredded chi at March 08, 2014 08:39 AM (iGuUj)

59 I know composting was a few weeks ago but has anyone used the Bokashi composting method? I know it sounds similar to a perverted sex act but it is an oxygen-less method to compost indoors. I'm thinking of getting a kit and trying it out.

Posted by: lindafell at March 08, 2014 08:41 AM (PGO8C)

60 "HR: Should also be minimal care post-planting, because I am busy and lazy..."

Ah...got it.
Perhaps a rock garden may be a better choice then?

Just kidding.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 08:41 AM (wMsMv)

61 Vic, I always try and keep things that are dependent on budding ...fruit trees, ornamental flowering trees, etc. ... planted in the coldest areas of my garden. Less likely for them to bud up early. I also avoid planting them near anything that retains and then reflects heat, kind of the opposite of what you do with plants that are questionably hardy for your zone.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 08:42 AM (Pfvig)

62 I see no use for those robot lamps beyond for the torture of your pets. Am I missing something?

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 08, 2014 08:42 AM (hJnUx)

63 Supposed to be 60° tomorrow. If the chain saw fires up I'll be taking down a crabapple tree to make room for 3-5 blueberry bushes. I love blueberries so probably 5. Soil will need a lot of prep to get the proper acidity but that's okay. Just look at it as foreplay to make it fun.

Posted by: teej-who must be doing pretty much everything wrong at March 08, 2014 08:46 AM (H0qOD)

64 Back on topic, I have this annoying strip between the house and the front sidewalk that's about 1' wide by 20' long or so. I have about 500 shasta daisy plants on my property. I originally started them from seeds -- but they bloom the second year, not the first. They'll tolerate just about any abuse, they like sun, but endure shade. Nice flowers for a couple weeks in early/middle spring, then just plain old green the rest of the year. Sprinkle some alyssum seeds in front of them for color from spring till first frost. They both tolerate a lot of neglect. http://tinyurl.com/Shasta-Daisy-Pic

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at March 08, 2014 08:46 AM (CnA98)

65 Here is a current picture of my orchids that we were talking about several weeks ago. The blooms are almost all open now. http://tinypic.com/r/2me2yjb/8 The kids I have are not really good gardening tools. I find that "undocumented citizens" are much better tools. I keed, I keed..... I do live in Texas so it is possible, hmmmmmm....

Posted by: lindafell at March 08, 2014 08:52 AM (PGO8C)

66 The garden show here in Seattle is really cool. Or at least it used to be I haven't been in several years. Various landscape companies, nurseries, and others who get selected for a spot design and plant entire display gardens at the convention center. It is really impressive and creative and there are some great ideas for gardens. The focus is mostly on gardening and landscaping, there are product booths but we have a separate home show so there is less of that sort of thing. If you ever chance to be in Seattle during the show, which I think is usually in February you guys who love gardening should definitely try to get tickets for it. I say try because it is always sold out.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 08, 2014 08:54 AM (RZ8pf)

67 Beautiful orchids, lindafell.

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 08:55 AM (zDsvJ)

68 Linda, those are gorgeous! My mama is great with houseplants and I was wondering if she'd like an orchid. Are they hard? I love Shastas, too, but they don't always do well in the deep South. Not very long lived, although Becky is pretty good.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 08:56 AM (Pfvig)

69 I was hoping for more of that kind of thing at the Salt Lake one, PGIS. They did have some display gardens and a lot of dry-scaping/patio/decking stuff, but not much gardening stuff. Although, if I had planned better, I could have caught a tutorial on rose pruning.

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 08:56 AM (zDsvJ)

70 The 13 year old helped me unload soil, sand and gravel just a few minutes ago. We bought Yukon Gold and some red potatoes this morning, too. Got the "potato bags" ready, so we'll see how this works. The BBC history show the kids and I have been watching has had a few segments about Victorian "labor-saving" and "chimney-cleaning" devices...AKA kids. Ah, here's one: http://youtu.be/eUBPqCa-tiE

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 08, 2014 08:57 AM (SUKHu)

71 63 Just look at it as foreplay to make it fun. Posted by: teej-who must be doing pretty much everything wrong at March 08, 2014 12:46 PM (H0qOD) That's surprisingly on-topic.

Posted by: rickl at March 08, 2014 08:59 AM (sdi6R)

72 For the Morons in the colder parts of the country where it is too cold to start your veggies,have you thought about sprouting seeds? You can do this any time of year and it gives you fresh greens for your salads and sandwiches at any time. Pinetree seeds have some good cheap varieties of seeds for sprouting and a layered sprouter for less than $20.00. I think Johnnies do too. This might appeal to the Preppers out there too, easy to store the seeds in a vacuum sealed package for years in the fridge. Radishes, alfalfa, broccoli. mung beans and lots of other choices.

Posted by: dreadpirateroberta at March 08, 2014 09:00 AM (2d8bF)

73 Y-Not, you should look for an arboretum somewhere near you. I find they have more garden events, understandably. One of the very few things I miss about SoCal are the La and Fullerton arboretums.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 09:02 AM (Pfvig)

74 Welp, I'm going to try to get my Gardening Gadget (Mr Y-not) off his duff so we can get some work done prepping the beds. Might even plant a few cold-tolerant things. Catch you later!

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 09:03 AM (zDsvJ)

75 Y-Not it is something to see, how they can create an entire garden in 3 days on the floor of the convention center. I saw a time lapse video of them doing it once, if we all had that much volunteer labor our gardens would be pretty spectacular too! Of course being the Northwest a lot of the gardens now tend toward the "oh no global warming we are killing the planet, humans suck" variety.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 08, 2014 09:03 AM (RZ8pf)

76 They are perennials, with lovely flowers that last a long time. The foliage is attractive too.

That sounds like what I want...I can look for those the next time I go out looking at yard stuff...not this week, there's still ice.

Posted by: HR at March 08, 2014 09:04 AM (hO8IJ)

77 73 Y-Not, you should look for an arboretum somewhere near you. I find they have more garden events, understandably. -- Yes, we have one pretty nearby that also hosts one of USU's extension offices and up in Salt Lake there's Red Butte Gardens. Only thing with them is I find a lot of their classes and stuff are in the evenings and I hate schlepping up there late in the day.

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 09:05 AM (zDsvJ)

78 for the frugal of us out there, one can use the over the door shoe organizer found at the dollar store if you want a wall mounted herb garden.

Posted by: tank at March 08, 2014 09:06 AM (Z1KiK)

79 Tammy al-Thor, I think that orchids are hardy. Most people over water them. They like eastern exposure, a good soaking every two weeks and let them dry out between. The potting mix is mostly bark and moss so it drains fast. I get a good drain pan and let the overflow evaporate since they like humidity. After they flower and the flowers wither, cut the flower stalk. To rebloom, they need to be cooled to around 50-60 degrees for a while. I mostly neglect mine, forget to water them, and only notice a flowering stalk after it's about 6-8 inches. I keep them by that eastern facing window and they get cool in the winter that's why they rebloom, it's all accidental.... really! 😚

Posted by: lindafell at March 08, 2014 09:07 AM (PGO8C)

80 I didn't see "Diamonds are a girls best friend" in WeirdDave's post... Or, the birthday gems ring following the birth of the garden slaves gnomes.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 08, 2014 09:07 AM (IXrOn)

81 Anyone have any tips on saving a tree/bush (lilac in this instance) who's branches were broken by heavy snow? It's my favorite lilac bush. Midsized, best scent. Shaped like a lollipop'ish. I see some major branches broken under the snow.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 08, 2014 09:09 AM (IXrOn)

82 My landscaper is scalping and top dressing my yard today, in the drizzle..yuck. It's good for the yard though.

Posted by: lindafell at March 08, 2014 09:09 AM (PGO8C)

83 Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 01:05 PM (zDsvJ) Have you looked in to the Master Gardening there? Pretty sure SLC has a thriving one, because a lot of them are involved in the big LDS temple there. I just couldn't commit to it when I was in SoCal...you had to be there every Saturday for 6 months, no missing for anything.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 09:10 AM (Pfvig)

84 64 Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 12:42 PM (Pfvig)


I really don't have a "coldest part of the yard other than the East side of the house which is in the shade most of the day.  That is where my apple trees are planted.


But that plant and several of my Crepe Myrtle trees that I had recently planted were small and could not take the late cold snap.  Three days of nightly lows in the 20s in May is very rare here (I hope).  But we haz global warming.


I will try again on the magnolia because the blooms on it were just gorgeous,  I already have a mature regular magnolia that I planted about 30 years ago.  The cold didn't bother it too much.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 09:12 AM (T2V/1)

85 Bought a cart for hauling soil last week at costco. Tired of carrying bags of soil, landscaping bark, sand, etc around my house. It looked pretty good for a foldable one (which is what I was looking for). Says it holds up to 150 pounds. I will never load that much on it. Just 50 pounds bags or so at at time.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 08, 2014 09:12 AM (IXrOn)

86 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 08, 2014 01:09 PM (IXrOn) Unless so many broke it killed it, the lilac should eventually fix itself. Maybe not the same exact shape, but they send up new shoots. It may even be better. In fact, if you have a lilac that isn't blooming as much, a good thinning can re-invigorate it.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 09:12 AM (Pfvig)

87 Note to self: (some of you may find this worth reading) Get over to AgWay and pick up 2 or 3 bags of corn gluten. Corn gluten is a non-toxic, pre-emergant crab grass killer.

Posted by: fluffy at March 08, 2014 09:14 AM (Ua6T/)

88 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 08, 2014 01:09 PM (IXrOn) Unless so many broke it killed it, the lilac should eventually fix itself. Maybe not the same exact shape, but they send up new shoots. It may even be better. In fact, if you have a lilac that isn't blooming as much, a good thinning can re-invigorate it. Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 01:12 PM (Pfvig) Thanks. I was wondering if there was some way to graft it - with some kind of magical tape and or wax, etc. I can't see the total damage yet (I'm afraid), until the snow recedes more.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 08, 2014 09:15 AM (IXrOn)

89 >>for the frugal of us out there, one can use the over the door shoe organizer found at the dollar store if you want a wall mounted herb garden. LOL. And call it *up-cycling* so people think you're cool and hip! No. Not really. Please don't. The other day I was rolling my eyes at *up-cycling projects*, aka "using the fabric scraps you have because it's there".

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 08, 2014 09:16 AM (SUKHu)

90 I hate the end of small nurseries, at least in our area of Florida. There was a really nice one, independent of all the big stores, with some interesting plants and decor for your porch or house. I was all fired up to buy some stuff and drove by there yesterday: business closed (had been there five years or so) and a truck was packing up outside trees and bushes. I blame Baroque.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 08, 2014 09:16 AM (baL2B)

91 I would love to have a lilac tree/bush here but they just don't do well here because it is too hot in the summer. Maybe in a few more years when the ice age gets a little further into it.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 09:21 AM (T2V/1)

92 Anyone have any tips on saving a tree/bush (lilac in this instance) who's branches were broken by heavy snow?
Prune. Cut way back on the broken branches. Sorry, I would have to look up pruning technique.

Posted by: fluffy at March 08, 2014 09:22 AM (Ua6T/)

93 Posted by: Vic at March 08, 2014 01:12 PM (T2V/1) Those particular doggone magnolias ( we call them tulip magnolias) are so maddening if you're in an area warm enough to grow them, but still get cold snaps. They were stunning in SoCal.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 09:22 AM (Pfvig)

94 90  I blame Baroque.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 08, 2014 01:16 PM (baL2B)


Probably more blame to places like Walmart and Lowes who have "garden shops".

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 09:22 AM (T2V/1)

95 93  Those particular doggone magnolias ( we call them tulip magnolias) are so maddening if you're in an area warm enough to grow them, but still get cold snaps. They were stunning in SoCal.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 01:22 PM (Pfvig)



LOL, when I first saw that thing (at Lowes) I told my wife, look at this, those blooms look just like tulips.  I must have this.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 09:24 AM (T2V/1)

96 I blame Baroque. Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 08, 2014 01:16 PM (baL2B) Eh, blame your fellow citizens who are content to buy the crap they get at Home Depot and Wal-Mart.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 09:29 AM (Pfvig)

97 Prune. Cut way back on the broken branches. Sorry, I would have to look up pruning technique. Posted by: fluffy at March 08, 2014 01:22 PM (Ua6T/) It's okay, I know how to prune. This is a dainty, shaped lilac (not like my lower medium bush or larger trees - yeah I like lilacs and have a lot of them. Easy to maintain, grow like weeds). It's small, shaped like a stick with a beachball stuck on top. Very pretty. I only planted this one a few years ago. So, the branches are not huge, etc. Repairing/grafting was what I was looking for, if anyone had experience with that. Or,wax, which can help protect and seal. Garden shops sell the wax, I know. I'll do some research, myself (been too lazy; and I know I have time) and get back to a future garden thread if I find a good solution.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 08, 2014 09:30 AM (IXrOn)

98 Vic how far south are you in SC? We had lilacs in GA...of course, we were in the mountains.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 09:31 AM (Pfvig)

99 LOL. And call it *up-cycling* so people think you're cool and hip! No. Not really. Please don't. The other day I was rolling my eyes at *up-cycling projects*, aka "using the fabric scraps you have because it's there". Posted by: Mama AJ at March 08, 2014 01:16 PM (SUKHu) In the art world, they have always been big on "found objects" in their art. It's even taught in some schools, as exercises to expand the creative side of the brain. You can just call it "found art gardening" or some such thing. Then you'ld be "hip." haha

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 08, 2014 09:32 AM (IXrOn)

100 LOL. And call it *up-cycling* so people think you're cool and hip! No. Not really. Please don't. The other day I was rolling my eyes at *up-cycling projects*, aka "using the fabric scraps you have because it's there". Posted by: Mama AJ at March 08, 2014 01:16 PM (SUKHu) In the art world, they have always been big on "found objects" in their art. It's even taught in some schools, as exercises to expand the creative side of the brain. You can just call it "found art gardening" or some such thing. Then you'ld be "hip." haha

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 08, 2014 09:32 AM (IXrOn)

101 Oh, 'ette, I see... the shape was kind of what you liked about it. Since you are such a lilac fangirl, have you ever grown Beauty of Moscow? I adore her.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 09:34 AM (Pfvig)

102 Oh, 'ette, I see... the shape was kind of what you liked about it. Since you are such a lilac fangirl, have you ever grown Beauty of Moscow? I adore her.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 09:34 AM (Pfvig)

103 98  Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 01:31 PM (Pfvig)


I am about 50 miles south of the NC border in the middle of the State.  But looking at the planting charts it is only recommended for zone 3 - 7 so North GA in the mountains is right at the limit.  I am in zone 8.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 09:35 AM (T2V/1)

104 I buy certain things at HD, Lowes, Walmart, etc. But I get my plants and seeds from the local hippy, organic places. I also get a big delivery every spring of 5-6 cu.yds. of good top dressing from a local nursery. I'll get the local bag mulch from HD because they usually have a great sale, 5 bags for $10 when it's usually close to $3/bag. It's cheaper than getting it directly from the place that makes it on the north side of town. I usually need about 100-110 bags. Yeah, I'll be sore for a while soon.

Posted by: lindafell at March 08, 2014 09:35 AM (PGO8C)

105 If I can get my Jane magnolia I will be happy.  And that will probably be the last tree I plant.  And even then, it will be more for the people who come after me. Trees take a long time to mature.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 09:36 AM (T2V/1)

106 I take it your lilac is a standard?

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 09:36 AM (Pfvig)

107 Oh, 'ette, I see... the shape was kind of what you liked about it. Since you are such a lilac fangirl, have you ever grown Beauty of Moscow? I adore her. Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 01:34 PM (Pfvig) Hmmm. I have 3 varieties around my house. I cannot recall the common names. I would have to go look them up. I use my plant books/guides which have sections on lilacs, then I look for the maximum growth size (with the preference going to the one with the better scent), then head to the store in search of. I was lucky to find the one that got damaged. I should go look it up so I can give you it's exact name. I have an awful memory.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 08, 2014 09:40 AM (IXrOn)

108 And even then, it will be more for the people who come after me. Trees take a long time to mature. Somewhere in a lifetime of reading I came across a quote, 'He who loves others plants trees.' Though I've had a couple nice fruit trees mature pretty quickly -- in say eight to ten years -- and reach a nice height for a patio.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at March 08, 2014 09:42 AM (CnA98)

109 106  Though I've had a couple nice fruit trees mature pretty quickly -- in say eight to ten years -- and reach a nice height for a patio.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at March 08, 2014 01:42 PM (CnA9


There are some trees that grow fairly fast.  My apple trees have been in around 15 years.  One is about 15 - 20 feet tall, the other two are not doing very well and I have no idea why they aren't.  They are only about 6 feet and not filling out.  They were all planted at the same time. 



I wanted to get some peach trees because they grow very well here in SC but wifey said no; she wanted apples.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 09:46 AM (T2V/1)

110 Hello, Shirtless Mike Rowe. I've got a dirty job for ya.... So I'm living in squalid splendour in my swanky apartment, and I love the yard-free, pet-free lifestyle (temporarily!), but still enjoy gardening vicariously through you guys and my Johnny's Selected Seeds catalog. I'm also an oficionada of tomato pr0n, and recommend "The Heirloom Tomato: From Garden to Table" by Amy Goldman. Lots of luscious pix of gorgeous 'maters.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 08, 2014 09:47 AM (QBm1P)

111 BTW, we get so many apples on the big tree I have to pull some off before they get too big because they start pulling the branches down too far.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 09:47 AM (T2V/1)

112 I'm concerned about Gingy. I think she's being held hostage for her garden implement production. Someone should organize a rescue team.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 08, 2014 09:47 AM (oMKp3)

113 One is about 15 - 20 feet tall, the other two are not doing very well and I have no idea why they aren't. Where are they in relation to your drain field -- which I'm guessing you have? Because I have some fruit trees close to the drain field that do nothing, while the ones twenty feet away are gangbusters. It would seem like it should be the other way around, but it's not.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at March 08, 2014 09:49 AM (CnA98)

114 We always thinned our fruit trees out when the fruit was fairly small. My grandparents did it, and I guess we just did it because they did. I can't imagine not wanting a peach tree! Damn deer got all three of mine year before last. I made it sound like I don't buy from WM or HD...I do, all the time. But a girl needs some variety! I used to get a lot if cool plants on eBay, but I don't know if they allow it anymore. I'm looking to plant witch hazels and some swamp azaleas next Fall; missed my window last year because my six and a half foot gardening tool up and moved to NC on me.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 09:58 AM (Pfvig)

115 The big one is closer to the drain field than the two small ones.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 09:59 AM (T2V/1)

116 It's ok Grammie. I had that fixed years ago.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at March 08, 2014 09:59 AM (mogRH)

117 >>Someone should organize a rescue team. I'll tell my kids to get that started.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 08, 2014 09:59 AM (SUKHu)

118 High 50s today and without strong wind-- going to plant a couple of bare-root roses and do a little garden clean-up. 

Nice to have a break from the rain and cold, even if only one day's worth.

Local home and garden show is next weekend, looking forward to some inspiration! 

Posted by: JeanQ at March 08, 2014 10:04 AM (82lr7)

119 Probably more blame to places like Walmart and Lowes who have "garden shops".

Posted by: Vic at March 08, 2014 01:22 PM (T2V/1)


Oh, I know. And the general laziness of gardening here because it is hard word (and I share that pain and will not invest money or effort into anything but tropical stuff outside and we are pretty much done knowing we are leaving in a couple of years, God willing and the ocean/river don't rise).


I just like to blame all things on Baroque, as he and other blame all things on Bush. If there is rain; Baroque, no way, no how, "climate change" or just, uh, weather pattern. If I have a zit on my chin: Baroque (not massive chocolate and stress).


That said, I loved this place as she had unique plants you cannot get at Loews or Home Depot. Really unusual stuff. I did get some very large hanging peach geraniums for my back porch yesterday for $3.99. This, so far, is my effort. I am whipping husband into shape and he is planting front porch plants in our planters as having people for dinner and spring is here and all that. He will be making a visit to Loew's.


I am a container gardener now, due to bugs. Have a large back porch that is screened, and this is the time of year I wash the plants and furniture and get ready for summer and swimming. So that is what I will be doing soon. Right now I am in the midst of sewing madness crazy and don't have a lot of time for my poor plants (because I am stupid I offered to make a few suits for my mother and she will be here in three weeks and ack!). xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 08, 2014 10:04 AM (baL2B)

120 Jeeze, NOW you tell me. After I've spent most of my life flagging down storks, and plowing up cabbage patches. Of course, after your graphic description, I've come to the conclusion, the "cure" is worse than the disease, and decided to take out a loan on a John Deere combine.

Posted by: franksalterego at March 08, 2014 10:04 AM (77I+2)

121 90?

  ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen?

The ones like Haase Farm Service- where my late Emily grew up on Old Jesup road? Just could not compete anymore when the Big Boxes moved in here.


Posted by: backhoe at March 08, 2014 10:04 AM (ULH4o)

122 Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 08, 2014 02:04 PM (baL2B) I trust no snakes have dared to disturb your tranquility thus far? I am so jealous that you can sew well enough to make a suit! I wish you'd show us pics of the final project.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 10:07 AM (Pfvig)

123 I've come to the conclusion, the "cure" is worse than the disease Posted by: franksalterego at March 08, 2014 02:04 PM (77I+2) LOL!

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 10:08 AM (Pfvig)

124 There are some trees that grow fairly fast. My apple trees have been in around 15 years. One is about 15 - 20 feet tall, the other two are not doing very well and I have no idea why they aren't. They are only about 6 feet and not filling out. They were all planted at the same time. I wanted to get some peach trees because they grow very well here in SC but wifey said no; she wanted apples. Posted by: Vic at March 08, 2014 01:46 PM (T2V/1) I just planted two apple trees in my back yard last year. It was odd that they stated "partial sun" or "shady" areas I would have assumed full sun. I hope I have the same luck as you. I read that the pruning was important in the first few years. The "bird can fly through the branches" kinda pruning. Once it was set, it was very little maintenance unless attacked by other elements like pests or fungus. Did you prune at all? One that I bought was strictly Cortland, the other had 4 varieties grafted on one tree (thought I would give it a try). One of the grafts was a crabapple variety, which is supposed to be around the others for proper polination.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 08, 2014 10:09 AM (IXrOn)

125 Are you in Florida, backhoe? I am not familiar with this road.

I am sure there are Mom and Pop places that are not on my routes. There is an independent nursery about a half hour north of us. One of my many issues is a lot of plants don't like salt air. What grows on the mainland won't grow here. Oh, well. Once I get back to Utah I can grow what I want and will then probably miss my tropical stuff (but not a whole lot of I can have my roses).

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 08, 2014 10:09 AM (baL2B)

126 BTW, we get so many apples on the big tree I have to pull some off before they get too big because they start pulling the branches down too far. You must not have many deer. It's quite the sight to watch them in my back yard dancing around on only their back legs while knocking my grannie smith apples to the ground. That, I don't care about, I can only make so any pies. If they'd leave my other stuff alone I wouldn't have to pepper them with .177 shot all the time.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at March 08, 2014 10:11 AM (CnA98)

127 106 And even then, it will be more for the people who come after me. Trees take a long time to mature. Somewhere in a lifetime of reading I came across a quote, 'He who loves others plants trees.' The quote I've always liked goes " the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is today".

Posted by: Weirddave at March 08, 2014 10:11 AM (N/cFh)

128 I am so jealous that you can sew well enough to make a suit! I wish you'd show us pics of the final project.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at March 08, 2014 02:07 PM (Pfvig)



I have not seen Mr. Black Snake but know he is lurking around. We had a squirrel in attic which required trapper man to come and patch roof/soffit thing that roofers did not replace last spring (after racoons visited). So we have had some visitors, but, thank you, Lord, not a snake in the house.  It will probably be a python in toilet and I do hope my obituary will explain the source of my cardiac arrest and ungraceful demise.


Regarding sewing: I know what I am doing (ha! husband says when he hears me swearing at my grandmother's machine). However, have not done this in a decade and, uh, perhaps got too excited last Thanksgiving with my mother when we ordered fabric that is now cut on my diningroom table and waiting for Coco Chanel to magically put it together. I did a practice blouse of one pattern and am now having to be creative with the draped neck as the fabric did not drape and whatever. I am hoping the silk for my Mama's blouse will behave or hysteria will ensue.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 08, 2014 10:14 AM (baL2B)

129 125 106 And even then, it will be more for the people who come after me. Trees take a long time to mature.

Somewhere in a lifetime of reading I came across a quote, 'He who loves others plants trees.'


The quote I've always liked goes " the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is today".

Posted by: Weirddave at March 08, 2014 02:11 PM (N/cFh)



And speaking of apple trees and folks that come after, here is vol 1 of a video I have from Disney.  Question for you OH and midwest Morons; are these apple orchards still around?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=484AJlOnOnc

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 10:17 AM (T2V/1)

130 126 Regarding sewing: I know what I am doing (ha! husband says when he hears me swearing at my grandmother's machine).

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 08, 2014 02:14 PM (baL2B)


LOL, you don't have one of those old trundle driven Singer machines do you?  My great grandmother had one and I have no idea what happened to it.  I wish I had it today it was an antique in very fine shape with every thing on it working.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 10:20 AM (T2V/1)

131 124  Posted by: SE Pa Moron at March 08, 2014 02:11 PM (CnA9


No deer but hoards of squirrels, mocking birds, and bugs.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 10:21 AM (T2V/1)

132 " the best time to plant a tree kid is 20 years ago. The second best time is today". Posted by: Weirddave

Fixed for garden-tool productivity. Now hop to it.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 08, 2014 10:23 AM (xq1UY)

134 @127 I took one down last fall I'm pretty sure he planted. My dad remembers it being fully grown when he was little, in the 20's. Completely hollow, still standing.

When Dixie Highway was still pretty new, from the Maumee River to Bowling Green it was designated "Johnny Appleseed Highway" and was planted with evenly spaced apple trees. When I was a kid, and people knew what cars were for, sometimes you'd see a family out there picking the apples, legal as you please, on public land. As the road has "improved" and there was no attempt at maintenance of the trees, only a handful remain.

Every small family orchard 50 years ago claimed it was descended from Appleseed trees. Some family orchards have expanded and survived, but apple labor is expensive and the 40-acre stands come down, about one a year. 

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 08, 2014 10:41 AM (xq1UY)

135 Question for you OH and midwest Morons; are these apple orchards still around?>>

There appear to be quite a few Apple Orchards in Minnesota. Don't know if Johnny A had anything to do with them though.


http://www.americantowns.com/mn/features/apple-picking-and-apple-farms

Posted by: The Hickster at March 08, 2014 10:42 AM (TI3xG)

136 Fixed for garden-tool productivity. Now hop to it. I've GOT a 20 year old. He moved 2500 miles away when he turned 18, I wonder why.

Posted by: Weirddave at March 08, 2014 10:43 AM (N/cFh)

137 I don't think he ever made it as far as MN. The key to his apple trees is whether or not they are sweet or sour.  He planted from seed and not grafts.  Seed apple trees are sour and used primarily for apple cider and apple jack.  So if you come across a tree with sweet apples it is not one of his.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 10:46 AM (T2V/1)

138 A little bit of research.  Johnny Appleseed died in 1848.  The average life expectancy of an apple tree per eHow is 100 years.  So most likely all the trees are gone now.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 10:50 AM (T2V/1)

139 He planted from seed and not grafts. Seed apple trees are sour and used primarily for apple cider and apple jack. So if you come across a tree with sweet apples it is not one of his.>>

Learn something new every day. I only looked that link up since we have quite a few Apple Orchards down in the Minnesota River valley near where I live.

Posted by: The Hickster at March 08, 2014 10:51 AM (TI3xG)

140 Oh my. Still collecting myself and haven't read past the Mike Rowe picture yet. Drool INFINITE improvement over ace's "tribute" to the ladies yesterday. We just had our local home and garden show, and it's like the one you went to. Later in the spring is a good purely gardening show, the festival of flowers. It's put on by San Antonio Water Systems, the master gardeners and the ag extension service. Maybe there's something like that in SLC. That keyhole garden is new to me and kind of intriguing. It'd work well here.

Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 10:52 AM (7RvOV)

141 Daily reminder: Rand Paul, if elected, would be tied for the fourth shortest president in US history, and the shortest since William McKinley (elected in 1896).

Posted by: Daily Reminder Guy at March 08, 2014 11:10 AM (6j8ke)

142 I heard yesterday that wildflower season is a couple of weeks late due to the cold temps. We had a cold spring last year too. Thanks, global warming! It gets so damn hot here I like it to stay cool for as long as possible.

Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 11:13 AM (7RvOV)

143 141 I heard yesterday that wildflower season is a couple of weeks late due to the cold temps. We had a cold spring last year too. Thanks, global warming!
It gets so damn hot here I like it to stay cool for as long as possible.

Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 03:13 PM (7RvOV)



The Bradford pears in my neighborhood are normally blooming now.  That haven't even started yet.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 11:14 AM (T2V/1)

144 backhoe: I wish someone would come help me sew before my Mama arrives, thinking, wow! New suits! I can tell you miss  your Emily. xoxo

Vic: no...I do have her really old Singer portable, that is all metal, but not as old as that one as it is electric. This is a Singer from the mid-seventies, which means you have to thread it yourself instead of pushing fancy buttons and less hysteria when you forget how (which I keep doing stupid things a chimpanzee would master). My grandmother would have rivaled any designer. I grew up knowing fabric and quality from shopping with her as a toddler, and plan to have my imaginary granddaughters (they will probably be all boys like the rest in my life, but I can dream. I may sew for them but won't make them do girly things like: sit here with your Nana and sew, child). My grandmother sewed from my birth through college (when I did not appreciate it as I was into looking hip). Suits, coats, and she was also a milliner during the 20's. Very talented lady. I am tired of buying stuff I could make (providing the machine cooperates and we seem to have reached a deal).


My husband, in the midst of a meltdown, has offered to buy me a fancy new machine but I stubbornly cling to this old Singer due to her memory and hopes her talent as well as genes rub off on me. I have a lot of ideas, can look at fabric and "see" what it could be. A little nervous as I am rusty (machine is recently repaired and cleaned and ready to go), but have decided, crap, this fabric is going to do what I want it to do. I am already going my own way with this &*# blouse of mine. And if people point and laugh at me in Publix for the strange neckline, well, honey, pfft. They just don't know ::style::.

A lot of people want the solid metal old Singers, and there were a lot of giant one's in the sewing repairman's shop. He says people want them for quilting, as they will sew anything and easier to repair.


This concludes my sewing bulletin of the day. With people coming for dinner I am sadly not going to maul the blouse of many shapes and, now, a fabric rosette! Because I don't do half-way or normal, no, sir.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 08, 2014 11:15 AM (baL2B)

145 That = they

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 11:15 AM (T2V/1)

146 Home Depot has buy one packet get one packet free seeds this weekend.  It's a little depressing, the garden still has a foot of snow.  I can finally see the yard in a few spots But, hey, free seeds!  The selection does seem to get smaller each and every year.

Posted by: Ben Ghazi at March 08, 2014 11:18 AM (PCV0g)

147 There was a car thread. Now there is no car thread.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 08, 2014 11:19 AM (+iqDb)

148 >>> In addition to gardening and agricultural information, thereÂ’s also quite a bit on food preservation and storage, which I think is of interest to some of our morons. If thereÂ’s one thing Utah is known for, itÂ’s PREPPERS!

Hah, yes we are! Also, FYI every state has an Extension office, usually connected to your state's land grant university. They will have the best advice and research for growing things in your particular area; soil, climate, varmints etc. But yes our Utah one is excellent in general.

Duke, welcome to our lovely state! I would not want to drive to SLC to work every day through those icy canyons, but if you are ok with the commute more power to you. The PC area is extremely gorgeous, can't fault you for wanting to be there all the time.

As for the kid thing: I hated, HATED having to help out weed, mulch, plant, etc, when I was young, but now I look back as being so grateful my parents for having one and using me as free labor. Despite living in the suburbs. I learned so many valuable lessons about hard work, patience, doing a job right, etc. Also that nothing beats a home grown tomato or strawberry. Plan to exact the exact same punishment on my own kids one day.

And Dave, I lol'd. Is a perfect companion to the Int'l Womens Day post from yesterday.

And Mike Rowe, mmmmmmmm

Posted by: LizLem at March 08, 2014 11:21 AM (ijXVY)

149 My great grandmother used to make patchwork quilts on that old antique of hers.  She would make them and take them to a "trading post" type shop and trade them for stuff.  I have one of her quilts on the top shelf of our bedroom closet.


When we first bought this house I unpacked it and put it on the bed for a sort of decorative spread.  My wife took one look at it and folded it up and said we are not going to ruin this with cats etc sleeping on it.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 11:27 AM (T2V/1)

150 Car thread up

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 11:32 AM (T2V/1)

151 20 Y-Not, I'll be moving to your neck of the woods at the end of the month. Got a position in SLC and we are looking to buy in Park City.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 08, 2014 12:01 PM (o9Rp5)


Good for you! I cannot wait to move back to the Wasatch. Good to know there will be a few morons and 'ettes there.


Two more years (at most, three). I cannot wait, inversions and all.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 08, 2014 11:50 AM (baL2B)

152 At what age do the "kids" usually become workable/usable? I just tried out a 4 1/2 yo with no success, Ha!

Posted by: lindafell at March 08, 2014 11:56 AM (PGO8C)

153 Sounds like you could use a quilt ladder, Vic. They don't take up much room and you get to enjoy seeing your grannie's handiwork.

http://tinyurl.com/k489zna

Posted by: Retread at March 08, 2014 12:00 PM (cHwk5)

154 152  Posted by: Retread at March 08, 2014 04:00 PM (cHwk5)


That would be nice if I had some place to put it.  All of our free space walls are taken up with book cases.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 12:17 PM (T2V/1)

155 151 At what age do the "kids" usually become workable/usable?
I just tried out a 4 1/2 yo with no success, Ha!

Posted by: lindafell at March 08, 2014 03:56 PM (PGO8C)


Depends on the kid, I think. One son is still pretty hopeless in regard to chores (the muscian/maestro/engineer) and the other worked his fanny off and loved anything helping Daddy from a toddler (he is an engineer who has remodeled most of his first home). The musician son would be easily distracted and veer off from chores and procrastinate (he gets that from me, the musician stuff from his Dad) and cause great angst. The other guy: could have had ten if they were his clones. He did not have as many AP classes in HS or honors as a solid B student, but kicked butt in college because he knew how to study. Other dude? Successful, after 5 plus years of college(s), and is working on second degree now that his new gf is ambitious and in her internship to be a vet. I guess it takes a girl to motivate him to success? Engineer is married to another engineer. While their future children will be cuties, I dread them talking math to their granny as math hurts my head and causes premature wrinkles (seriously, if they are not cute geniuses I give up on genetics. Perhaps they will be throwbacks to one of my great-grandmas, bless her heart, who had ears that looked like Baroque's) . I am sure they will be patient with me (ha!). I don't care but they had better arrive soon as I am tired of waiting...



Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 08, 2014 12:23 PM (baL2B)

156 Okay, since no one responded to my Bokashi composting question, I went ahead and ordered the two bucket kit on amazon. I will let you guys know how it goes in a few months. You are suppose to be able to get usable compost after filling a bucket in about 2-4 weeks. Or at least material that can be added to your traditional compost that will be ready in half the time. It can be done indoors with no smell, according to everything I've read. We will see...... http://bokashicomposting.com

Posted by: lindafell at March 08, 2014 01:02 PM (PGO8C)

157 This is my comment on flowers and child labor. My mom used to work as a volunteer helping to put on Fiesta and Hemisfair. She would put us to work making crepe paper and tissue paper flowers for the booths, which we thought was fun the first time, for like the first 30 minutes. She learned that forcing children to manufacture paper flowers in the car on a long family trip causes car sickness, but luckily she let us stop before anyone puked. She's a wonderful woman, and I'm blessed to still have my parents. I work as a Fiesta volunteer now too, but I've not yet had to put my flower making skills back to work. The huge parade I work on employs generations of Hispanic families to make a whole warehouse full of flowers. It's a pretty neat sight to see room after room of different types of thousands of hand made flowers, all colors, hanging upside down. It's like an upside down commercial greenhouse. I can only imagine though what it's like to do a parade that uses real flowers. Doesn't the Rose parade use real ones?

Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 01:04 PM (7RvOV)

158 156 Okay, since no one responded to my Bokashi composting question, I went ahead and ordered the two bucket kit on amazon. I will let you guys know how it goes in a few months. --- Eager to hear how it goes! Thanks, everyone, for your contributions this week!

Posted by: Y-not at March 08, 2014 01:15 PM (zDsvJ)

159 Well things have been planted in the propagation chamber. Using jiffy7 pellets for the first time. They are nice but pricey The humidity in the chamber runs about 75% with the flats in it. Nothing up yet but has only been 3 days. Tomatoes and peppers planted. The wife's strawberry barrel is finally emerging from the snowbank 36 days of grooming at ski area left. Then back on days and GARDENING

Posted by: NativeNH at March 08, 2014 01:19 PM (PD/RT)

160 Stace, Are you in SA still? I grew up there. Moved to Austin in 2010. Lauren and I will add you to our list for an 'ette meetup one day. 😃

Posted by: lindafell at March 08, 2014 01:20 PM (PGO8C)

161

[WierdDave:] ...Once youÂ’ve located a woman, you must approach her. Your approach should be tailored to the woman you chose.

 

Dave...your advice was sadly lacking in tips on how to attract the Redneck Warrior Princess variety of females.

 

 This particular variety should be rather coveted, as they will prove useful in the Zombie Apocalypse...or the Burning Times, whichever comes first.

 

Gardening is usually second nature to this variety of female, since they were generally subjugated into garden work as children, by their parental units.

And thus...they have generally retained their primal connection with the soil.

 

Tips on wooing the Redneck Warrior Princess females:

 

-  Instead of a bouquet of store-bought flowers...a bouquet of assorted tools and knives, wrapped in a camo bandana.

 

- Camo and leather gifts are far more appreciated, rather than girly foo-foo items.

 

- Find out which firearms she prefers...and gift her with boxes of ammo.

 

- Mesquite chips for her smoker.  Meat hooks for skinning her deer, antelope or elk, would also be appreciated. 

 

I'm sure this was just an oversight on your part, WeirdDave...as I can't imagine that you would want to intentionally offend the Redneck Warrior Princesses out there.

 

Posted by: wheatie at March 08, 2014 01:54 PM (8quPO)

162

Y-not...thanks for doing recon at that Home and Garden Show.

 

Having reconned a few of those myself, I know how exhausting they can be.

 

Thanks for another great Gardening Thread, Y-not and WeirdDave.

Posted by: wheatie at March 08, 2014 01:57 PM (8quPO)

163 And...those spider-bot lamps are creepy.

Posted by: wheatie at March 08, 2014 01:58 PM (8quPO)

164 Thanks, Linda! Yes, still in SA. My brat's in Austin trying to transfer to UT so I get up there pretty regularly. Except for the traffic, it's a fun city to hang out.

Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 02:58 PM (7RvOV)

165 That bokashi deal looks very stace-compatible, ie doesn't take much work. I used to be very interested in composting, but then it turned out I was too lazy to keep a real pile going. I might try the bokashi though.

Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 03:06 PM (7RvOV)

166 I composted last summer and got almost nothing out of it. When I saw an article about the Bokashi I was intrigued. I got a two bucket set up for $75 at Amazon. I'll let you know how it goes.

Posted by: lindafell at March 08, 2014 04:01 PM (PGO8C)

167 Nip Sip: "I have an empty lot which I have dumped tons of leaves in over the years.

They rot, etc. Are they good for anything besides growing worms for fishing?"


I wouldn't use them as a top-dressing, but it's a fantastic mulch. It's about as good as it gets for maintaining soil structure and feeding microbes, fungus, worms, etc. Let's call it a sub-dressing. Pine needles are a different story because of all the oils in them (unless well aged), but most other leaves are simply best at just doing what they do: rot, feed, buffer, and insulate. There's not much nutrient in them but for the carbon and maybe trace elements that didn't translocate during the fall. But that's enough right there.

I used to have a landscape/maintenance business and we collected oak leaves by the truckload. Wish I had a few truckloads now. Chopped/pulverized leaf litter and mold is pure garden gold.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 08, 2014 04:13 PM (1CroS)

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