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April 18, 2014

Krauthammer: I No Longer Support Disclosure in Campaign Donations, Because Zealots Will Destroy Free Speech Rights By Ruining Lives and Wrecking Careers
— Ace

I think this problem can be subsumed under my general political observation that "People are just awful."

And there's really no way around that, is there?

Best we can do is mitigate the harm by making government smaller, thus limiting the harm that people can inflict when they gather into Battleclans for Tribal Warfare.

And of course that's not happening any time soon.

[Full disclosure and complete transparency] used to be my position. No longer. I had not foreseen how donor lists would be used not to ferret out corruption but to pursue and persecute citizens with contrary views. Which corrupts the very idea of full disclosure.
It is now an invitation to the creation of enemies lists....
Sometimes the state itself does the harassing. The IRS scandal left many members of political groups exposed to abuse, such as the unlawful release of confidential data....
The ultimate victim here is full disclosure itself. If revealing your views opens you to the politics of personal destruction, then transparency, however valuable, must give way to the ultimate core political good, free expression.
Our collective loss. Coupling unlimited donations and full disclosure was a reasonable way to reconcile the irreconcilables of campaign finance. Like so much else in our politics, however, it has been ruined by zealots. What a pity.

The whole column is worth reading, but I can't quote it all, of course.

Kevin D. Williamson has more thoughts on the related issue of the militarization of the speech police.

Down in Travis County, Texas, where the stink of cronyism has Republicans in the legislature and Democrats in the bureaucracies sniffing each othersÂ’ tails like opportunistic stray dogs, University of Texas regent Wallace Hall is facing the possibility of criminal prosecution for helping to expose the bipartisan scandal of Texas politiciansÂ’ seeking preferential treatment for friends and family in university admissions....
In a sane world, Wallace Hall would get a medal for bringing attention to wrongdoing by elected officials, but the university establishment and the political establishment relish their comfortable symbiosis.
Others dream of prosecution, too. The political class is infatuated with speech regulations (which we are expected to call Â“campaign-finance lawsÂ”) because its members harbor a self-interested desire to set the terms under which political contests are fought. That is corruption, and a particularly nasty sort of corruption at that: corruption dressed up as a reform crusade....
The irony here is that it is the ones doing the prosecuting are the ones who should be prosecuted. It is against the law to use IRS resources for political vendettas and to maliciously prosecute citizens to further partisan political interests. Those are serious crimes Â— serious because they pervert the fundamental relationship between citizen and state. But we are enduring what Sam Francis called Â“anarcho-tyranny,Â” a situation in which the government either refuses to or is unable to enforce its most fundamental laws Â— e.g. controlling the borders, ensuring that its revenue agents are not engaged in an unhinged political jihad with an eye toward stacking elections, etc. Â— while at the same time it seeks to regulate the minutiae of citizensÂ’ lives with all the terrible moral ferocity of David Frum on a Tuesday afternoon espresso bender.

Meanwhile, Harry Reid -- who is more and more simply a monster -- continues making it clear that the Party of Government has personal interests, and it will stop at very little in vindicating those personal interests:

I note again that it is a scary thing when high-ranking officials of the Party of Government take challenges to their authority so personally.

You don't want a cop taking a small amount of attitude personally, and you sure as hell don't want the Majority Leader of the Senate doing so.

Or Sheldon Whitehorse of Rhode Island, who apparently took it quite personally indeed that Tea Party groups were seeking the same sort of tax status as myriad progressive groups.

Posted by: Ace at 01:39 PM | Comments (203)
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1 who IS on first, anyway?

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at April 18, 2014 01:41 PM (uopHF)

2 Send out your donors so that we may know them!

Posted by: unruly mob of Soddomites at April 18, 2014 01:41 PM (Ua6T/)

3 I bet some tar and feathers would change Reid's outlook post haste

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 18, 2014 01:42 PM (NKWFJ)

4 Best we can do is mitigate the harm by making government smaller, thus limiting the harm that people can inflict when they gather into Battleclans for Tribal Warfare.

That was the original intent of the founders but it was destroyed with the advent of the progressive era in the early 1900s. It was aided and abetted by the 14th amendment which destroyed the idea of the States.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 18, 2014 01:42 PM (T2V/1)

5 Yes, people are awful and aren't getting any better. All veneer of civility is wearing off and we are becoming the characters in "Lord of the Flies".

Posted by: museisluse at April 18, 2014 01:43 PM (ngu15)

6 As for the Hairy Pederast, he is rapidly approaching the disgusting level of Obama and Holder. He is joining the ranks of people I can hardly wait to die so I can piss on their graves. Hopefully they will bury him next to Jane Fonda so I can do a dual stream.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 18, 2014 01:44 PM (T2V/1)

7 There is a real civil war in America. And the "right" better understand that and join in. It's to bad and it's mostly the intolerant left's fault. And ti's only going to get worse.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2014 01:44 PM (nzKvP)

8 At least the Koch Brothers aren't Pederasts.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 18, 2014 01:45 PM (bitz6)

9 Much more civilized: http://www.justin.tv/swheatrescues

Posted by: museisluse at April 18, 2014 01:45 PM (ngu15)

10 the problem is conservative acquiesence to this because, for some reason, around 1991 or so the GOP signed an accord with the DNC agreeing to terms that: 1. no liberal should be punished or otherwise inconvenienced for breaking the law or acting like a dick; and 2 all conservatives must be on their best behavior at all times 2a because they will be mercilessly and humorlessly prosecuted; and 2b. any bad behavior on the part of conservatives, real or imagined, will implicated the whole movement. I dunno, it didn't seem like a good idea then and it doesn't seem like a good idea now. Perhaps we should start fighting back by: not apologizing everytime a feminist gets upset prosecute donk bad behavior endlessly mock the left instead of Romney's 2012 campaign slogan "Obama is awesome, but I am ok, so vote for me maybe?"

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 18, 2014 01:47 PM (DTVYh)

11 I mean, you'd think we'd use that Koch money to protect ourselves from batshit insane libs.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 18, 2014 01:48 PM (DTVYh)

12 The Supremes created a Right to Privacy in Roe V Wade... Money is NOT Speech... no matter what the Supremes say.,... its PROPERTY... And you have no RIGHT to know what I do with my property, which is covered by the Right to Privacy.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 18, 2014 01:48 PM (84gbM)

13 And they're trying to push a bill to "study" "hate speech" on the radio and online. Link in sig. After the study, they'll make "recommendations." Hmm, I wonder what those will look like?

Posted by: Lauren at April 18, 2014 01:48 PM (hFL/3)

14 The heretic Nazi Pelosi is washing the feet of illegal immigrant Mexicans.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 18, 2014 01:48 PM (bitz6)

15 not apologizing everytime a feminist gets upset prosecute donk bad behavior endlessly mock the left Posted by: joeindc44 at April 18, 2014 05:47 PM (DTVYh) some of us are already there... we just are not listened to by the Media.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 18, 2014 01:49 PM (84gbM)

16 Bring back the Senate Dueling Grounds!

Posted by: garrett at April 18, 2014 01:50 PM (KgFhV)

17 we have to fight back. Never apologize Never back down

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2014 01:50 PM (nzKvP)

18 Having to reveal who you give money to also reveals whom you will be voting for And that's nobody's personal fucking business A campaign contribution is not a lawn sign

Posted by: TexasJew at April 18, 2014 01:50 PM (U+u4A)

19 13 Hmm, I wonder what those will look like?

Posted by: at April 18, 2014 05:48 PM (hFL/3)

As I posted in the link (unreadable) this morning. They tried that shit once before and the Supreme Court squashed it. I seriously doubt that it would pass muster now since the court is a little more conservative now than it was then.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 18, 2014 01:50 PM (T2V/1)

20 Having to reveal who you give money to also reveals whom you will be voting for And that's nobody's personal fucking business A campaign contribution is not a lawn sign Posted by: TexasJew at April 18, 2014 05:50 PM (U+u4A) Everybody who knows me Knows who I am voting for!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2014 01:51 PM (nzKvP)

21 19 It's a tax.

Posted by: John Roberts at April 18, 2014 01:51 PM (bitz6)

22 I hope a burning 18 wheeler crashes into Harry Reid's rape van

Posted by: TexasJew at April 18, 2014 01:52 PM (U+u4A)

23 T-Jew! Good to see you around. I hope you and the family had a nice Passover.

Posted by: garrett at April 18, 2014 01:52 PM (KgFhV)

24 I was promised better weather, and bananas.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at April 18, 2014 01:52 PM (L02KD)

25 22 He doesn't have an El Camino?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 18, 2014 01:52 PM (bitz6)

26 Everybody who knows me Knows who I am voting for! Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2014 05:51 PM (nzKvP) That's the people who KNOW you... not every Liberal Idiot in the country.... and not the Politicians... or Government employees.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 18, 2014 01:53 PM (84gbM)

27 Speaking of people (Democrats) trying to destroy you, I've seen several essays the last couple days in the conservative blogosphere about Lerner's IRS and the DOJ trying to whip up a prosecution against some conservative-read any conservative-to intimidate all the other conservative groups opposing Obama's agenda. I was reminded of that Journo-lister douche (can't recall his name) that said "Pick one, doesn't matter who it is, and brand him a racist". Seems like the exact same tactic, slightly modified, to me.

Posted by: visenjon at April 18, 2014 01:53 PM (VDovR)

28 But this way people who don't know who you are will know as well Plus, your address and probably where your kids go to school It's pretty chilling

Posted by: TexasJew at April 18, 2014 01:53 PM (U+u4A)

29 I think Reid is doing the "stray voltage" theory here. He wants this "domestic terrorism" meme out there. He's trolling us. Reid is a deliberate man. Weasel Zippers ‏@weaselzippers Harry Reid Doubles Down: Bundy Ranch Supporters Â“Violent Terrorist WannabesÂ”Â… http://shar.es/TjUWR via @WeaselZippers

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 18, 2014 01:53 PM (ZPrif)

30 Garrett Thanks! You too

Posted by: TexasJew at April 18, 2014 01:54 PM (U+u4A)

31 "We must stop the politics of personal destruction. We must get rid of the poisonous venom of excessive partisanship, obsessive animosity and uncontrolled anger." -- bill clinton February 1999

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 18, 2014 01:55 PM (9lyhM)

32 Posted by: visenjon at April 18, 2014 05:53 PM (VDovR) the really sad fact is, that in todays world, with todays people.... Terrorism IS an effective tactic. It WILL make people change behavior.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 18, 2014 01:55 PM (84gbM)

33 If you like your right to privacy, you can keep your right to privacy.

Posted by: Jmel at April 18, 2014 01:55 PM (cfFqn)

34 Down in Travis County, Texas, where the stink of cronyism has Republicans in the legislature and Democrats in the bureaucracies sniffing each othersÂ’ tails like opportunistic stray dogs That great sentence captures the essence of the problem of Democrat/Republicans in DC- the party of "getting reelected", even at the expense of liberty for the people.

Posted by: MTF at April 18, 2014 01:55 PM (F58x4)

35 The Left almost never tries to destroy muslims.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 18, 2014 01:56 PM (ZPrif)

36 That's the people who KNOW you... not every Liberal Idiot in the country.... and not the Politicians... or Government employees. Posted by: Romeo13 at April 18, 2014 05:53 PM (84gbM) Yeah Yeah I know. But it's pretty much stamped on my forehead. And I have googled myself and seen my political donations, so I understand exactly what your talking about.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2014 01:56 PM (nzKvP)

37 Alternate post title: Don't Call It Bullying, Though

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 18, 2014 01:56 PM (9lyhM)

38 Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 18, 2014 05:53 PM (ZPrif) Well... the Palestinians ARE Terrorists.... and we are giving them Arms and Money... And Rebels in Syria... and Rebels who were in Libya.... and Pakistan, who hid OBL for years, gets foreign Aid... So... maybe being a Terrorist is cost effective?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 18, 2014 01:57 PM (84gbM)

39 The Left almost never tries to destroy muslims. Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 18, 2014 05:56 PM (ZPrif) Because they are scared shitless of the muslims and think they can ride the back of the tiger. Fuckin idiots and cowards

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2014 01:57 PM (nzKvP)

40 If Cliven Bundy were a terrorist he would be getting money from the Captured States of America.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 18, 2014 01:59 PM (bitz6)

41 Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2014 05:57 PM (nzKvP) The Left will never go after Islam... until they are more Afraid of the Right, than they are of Islam... Note, some Government agencies are already there...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 18, 2014 01:59 PM (84gbM)

42 The Left's hysterical paranoia throughout the Bush years that they were being persecuted, spied on, and thrown into dungeons was just setting the stage for the moment that they could seize power. That would be the moment when all those imagined slights could be used to fuel the cries to wipe out their political opponents, by hook or by crook. We've been kulaked, friends, and they're all willing to go full fascist against we enemies of the People's Paradise.

Posted by: Space Commander Clinton at April 18, 2014 02:00 PM (MMC8r)

43 Shit. Sock off.

Posted by: --- at April 18, 2014 02:00 PM (MMC8r)

44 We were domestic terrorists.

Posted by: kids burned alive by the ATF at April 18, 2014 02:00 PM (Ua6T/)

45 That great sentence captures the essence of the problem of Democrat/Republicans in DC- the party of "getting reelected", even at the expense of liberty for the people.

Posted by: MTF at April 18, 2014 05:55 PM (F58x4)

'...even at the expense of liberty for the people'? Seems to me those in power view the liberty of the people as an obstacle to be removed. After individual liberty is gone, presumably Utopia naturally follows.

Reminds me of something either Solzhenitsyn or Vaclev Havel wrote or said: 'The gulags were not an unhappy byproduct of the Soviet system. The gulags were the point.'

Posted by: troyriser at April 18, 2014 02:01 PM (2jF2B)

46 Just finished reading "This Town" (came out a while ago) - on both sides of the aisle, voters are just a means to an end. All those assholes want to do is get invited to the cool parties. Had very troubling dreams last night - had to be related to that book. I don't know how we get to the point that these weasels understand that they work for US, and not the other way around.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at April 18, 2014 02:01 PM (PZ6/M)

47 If the people who harassed those on the lists, and showed up at their doorsteps, etc were sufficiently punished - in which I mean arrested and thrown in jail - then this could be limited somewhat. The problem is, too many people are getting away with it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 18, 2014 02:02 PM (IXrOn)

48 The Left will never go after Islam... until they are more Afraid of the Right, than they are of Islam... OK, I'm up for that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2014 02:02 PM (nzKvP)

Barky never did disclose who his Foreign Donors were...

So the 'full disclosure rule' doesn't even work...in the very instances it was designed to work on!

Posted by: wheatie at April 18, 2014 02:02 PM (fAjDo)

50 Posted by: Space Commander Clinton at April 18, 2014 06:00 PM (MMC8r) the Left was freaked out that they 'could' be spied on.... but then did not change anything when they got the reigns of power... Note.... the NSA did start spying on us under Bush.... now its just on steroids.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 18, 2014 02:03 PM (84gbM)

51 Harry Reid, somewhere along the way, sold his soul to the devil. He ain't gettin' it back. He will die a miserable man.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 18, 2014 02:04 PM (IXrOn)

52 "7 There is a real civil war in America. And the "right" better understand that and join in. It's to bad and it's mostly the intolerant left's fault. And ti's only going to get worse.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2014 05:44 PM (nzKvP)"

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I know you Americans who aren't on the Left like your Christianity, which is one of many ways in which we disagree, but could you at least have some "Onward Christian Soldiers" Christianity and less "Turn the Other Cheek" Christianity? Meet me half-way, for crying out loud. Or lose the country. The choice is yours.

Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 02:05 PM (QTyrZ)

53 *cheers party time Happy sweet Easter

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 18, 2014 02:05 PM (IXrOn)

54 I feel like I'm drowning in a fever swamp of progressivism and the GOP just keeps throwing me anchors.

Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 18, 2014 02:05 PM (thLL8)

55 so I can do a dual stream. Posted by: Vic at April 18, 2014 05:44 PM (T2V/1) **** Meatal stenosis, there's a surgery for that. I think it was pioneered by Urethra Franklin.

Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 18, 2014 02:06 PM (MKpBT)

56 What can we do about it? NOTHING. Even republicans are against us, so what are we supposed to do? Win some elections and put other people in power who hate us SLIGHTLY less? Wow great. Anybody have a spaceship I can have? I gotta get the fuck out of here.

Posted by: Dan at April 18, 2014 02:06 PM (COpZ4)

57 He will die a miserable man. Wasn't the crusty old commie rushed to the ER a couple of months ago?

Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 18, 2014 02:06 PM (thLL8)

58 I know you Americans who aren't on the Left like your Christianity, which is one of many ways in which we disagree, but could you at least have some "Onward Christian Soldiers" Christianity and less "Turn the Other Cheek" Christianity? Meet me half-way, for crying out loud. Or lose the country. The choice is yours. Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 06:05 PM (QTyrZ) I'm Jewish. What's your point?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2014 02:06 PM (nzKvP)

59 If the Left is not your generation's Pharisees, then who is? And what did Jesus do to the Pharisees? And who doubts that Jesus only used a rope because guns hadn't been invented yet?

Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 02:07 PM (QTyrZ)

60 Sandra Fluke was more of that 'stray voltage'-- ridiculous story designed to capture the Narrative. They've been doing this for a while, and it's been working.

Posted by: --- at April 18, 2014 02:07 PM (MMC8r)

@ 51

And the thing I don't get is Mrs. Harry Reid. This good Mormon woman thinks she is getting into heaven? Her hubby is the money man for the Great Abortion Pimp aka Baraka Obama. All the federal monies for Obama's abortion agenda start with Sen Harry.

Posted by: visenjon at April 18, 2014 02:08 PM (VDovR)

62 If Bundy is a terrorist, as Reid says he is... CAN OBAMA JUST EXECUTE HIM WITH A DRONE STRIKE WITHOUT DUE PROCESS? Sounds crazy right? Well, Obama has already done this to a American citizen that the government labeled a terrorist. Now, Senate Majority leader labels Bundy a terrorist. This is going in a really scary direction.

Posted by: Dan at April 18, 2014 02:08 PM (COpZ4)

63 The creation of enemies lists is a two way street.

The compilation of an enemies list by the right, perhaps starting with a list of everyone working for the newspaper that published the lists of gun-owners and moving on from there, should really be a priority.

Or maybe I'm wrong and this isn't really a war....

But I'll bet the left has lists like that.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 18, 2014 02:09 PM (AC0lD)

64 >stray voltage So was that idiot propaganda pic from Carney's kitchen. It was designed to show liberals as having fun and the conservatives as humorless scolds, and it worked.

Posted by: Piercello at April 18, 2014 02:10 PM (jJ97i)

65 Wow, Dan. Hadn't thought of it from that perspective. God help us.

Posted by: Lauren at April 18, 2014 02:12 PM (hFL/3)

66 We thought the purges and thuggery couldn't happen here. How naive we were.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 18, 2014 02:12 PM (fNl/7)

67 That's just it. The Left has been at war with us for 50 years, but we really just figured it out 5-10 years ago. Most still have no idea there even is a war at all.

Posted by: Dan at April 18, 2014 02:12 PM (COpZ4)

68 "
I'm Jewish. What's your point?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 18, 2014 06:06 PM (nzKvP)"

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Certainly not anything anti-Jewish or anti-Semitic. Read section 251 of Beyond Good and Evil, where I rip the anti-Semites a new one for not letting the "Wandering Jew" finally find a home in Europe. My directive was aimed at incapacitating the Left by any means necessary, not the Jews. Just fucking go "blond beast" on them. It's either that or they do it on you. The Christianity mention was for the broader population of Americans, who seem to only adhere to a passive strand of Christianity and let the Left run over them (that is, where it isn't politicians letting the Left win because they sorta want the same things, even if they don't maybe want them quite as fast). For a Jewish American, it might be "More early Old Testament Fighting Judaism" and less "Woe is me I'm persecuted Judaism".

Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 02:13 PM (QTyrZ)

69 65, I sure wish he would help us. I'd settle for an Iron Man or Batman too. Any help would be great.

Posted by: Dan at April 18, 2014 02:14 PM (COpZ4)

70 The Left will never go after Islam... until they are more Afraid of the Right, than they are of Islam...

Note, some Government agencies are already there...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 18, 2014 05:59 PM (84gbM)

Tammy Bruce was hectoring the homos for giving the moooooooooslim cab drivers in Cleveland a pass for not transporting them to the homo olympics while trying to put Christian bakeries and photographers out of bidness.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 18, 2014 02:14 PM (TklsO)

71 ---------I know you Americans who aren't on the Left like your Christianity, which is one of many ways in which we disagree, but could you at least have some "Onward Christian Soldiers" Christianity and less "Turn the Other Cheek" Christianity? Meet me half-way, for crying out loud. Or lose the country. The choice is yours. Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 06:05 PM (QTyrZ) Actually, many of us Christians HAVE been standing firm, and have been fighting the good fight. We've been the ones reliable at the polls, we've been the ones reliably signing up for the military, we've been the ones championing freedom of conscience, and freedom of speech. We've been the one on the front lines of right to life and right to liberty. We've been the ones making the argument that rights are given by God and not the State. So I'm not exactly sure what your argument is here.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2014 02:14 PM (oMKp3)

@ 64

Dig up some clips of Claire Shipman from the early 90's on CNN and her then husband ( he worked there also). Before she was Mrs Jay Carney-barker she was married to some old silver haired geezer that could have been her grandpappy. If that is what constitutes having fun, then I am proud to be a humorless scold. At least I don't have creepy daddy issues (and a love for Marxism).

Posted by: visenjon at April 18, 2014 02:15 PM (VDovR)

73
Or eric holder who takes everything a non-black says personally and uses his high powered position to punish non-blacks and reward his friends.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 18, 2014 02:15 PM (BrAHD)

74
"Harry Reid -- who is more and more simply a monster..."

Prayers for Harry Reid
Harry Reid has been hospitalized after a car accident involving his motorcade. IÂ’m praying for a quick recovery for the Senate Majority Leader, and hope youÂ’ll all join me.

Oct 26, 2012 Ed Morrissey

"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 18, 2014 02:15 PM (kdS6q)

75 Next step, if you own a gun you are a domestic terrorist.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at April 18, 2014 02:15 PM (Aif/5)

76 Hey Krauthammer. Welcome to the party, Pal. Seriously, though, what conservatives have managed to navigate through the past couple of decades WITHOUT being subjected to the Left's Spanish Inquisition? I certainly haven't been able to do so.

Posted by: Y-not at April 18, 2014 02:15 PM (zDsvJ)

77 So TFG won't make a decision on Keystone. Again.

Posted by: RWC at April 18, 2014 02:15 PM (QeH9j)

78 I prefer my Nietzsche paired with The Family Circus.

Posted by: --- at April 18, 2014 02:17 PM (MMC8r)

79 75, Don't worry, that will happen once the Left gets a few more left wingers on the supreme court. Will only take a few more left wing presidents in a row.

Posted by: Dan at April 18, 2014 02:17 PM (COpZ4)

Having a sense of morality puts you at a disadvantage...when you are fighting an opponent who is not hindered by any such sense of morality.

This is something that the Left has taken advantage of, repeatedly.

Posted by: wheatie at April 18, 2014 02:17 PM (fAjDo)

81 I prefer my Nietzsche paired with The Family Circus. I don't know why I bothered to come back from the wilderness.

Posted by: Zarathustra at April 18, 2014 02:18 PM (KgFhV)

I have tried to explain this before, but we need to rehabilitate the term bully.

people want to say it doesn't apply here, but it does. The libs are the kid on the top of the jungle gym pushing off everyone who gets close.

that's bullying no matter what the new speak people say.

Posted by: tsrblke (Phone) at April 18, 2014 02:18 PM (WQLkn)

83
The dream would be to take away the FCC Licenses of ABC, CBS and NBC et al...for illegal campaign contributions.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 18, 2014 02:18 PM (BrAHD)

84 Don't worry, that will happen once the Left gets a few more left wingers on the supreme court. Will only take a few more left wing presidents in a row. --- Probably will only take one.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 18, 2014 02:18 PM (ZPrif)

85 "Actually, many of us Christians HAVE been standing firm, and have been fighting the good fight. We've been the ones reliable at the polls, we've been the ones reliably signing up for the military, we've been the ones championing freedom of conscience, and freedom of speech. We've been the one on the front lines of right to life and right to liberty. We've been the ones making the argument that rights are given by God and not the State.

So I'm not exactly sure what your argument is here.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2014 06:14 PM (oMKp3)"

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You are correct, there is always the American "fighting" Christianity and you do fight well. It's the only form I respect. Closest thing to "Caesar with the soul of Christ", which is my ideal kind of man.

But, you've got to admit that what you're doing isn't working and maybe you need to get more of your passive brethren on your side. If the Gospel is really that powerful, shouldn't you be able to do it?

Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 02:18 PM (QTyrZ)

86 The compilation of an enemies list by the right, perhaps starting with a list of everyone working for the newspaper that published the lists of gun-owners and moving on from there, should really be a priority. One step further: host it in an offshore server, with as much PII as can be gathered--addresses, SSNs, names, addresses, and SSNs of family members, license plates, cell phone numbers & SIM data . . . Basically, create a one-stop shop for anyone who wishes to hurt those people. Want to play rough, kids? We'll play rough. We'll make sure your dependent classes can find your crib for a little cultural diversification . . .

Posted by: Darth Cobalt Shiva, Sith Lord at April 18, 2014 02:19 PM (OY/SZ)

87 "Winter is coming" is a microaggression. Fascist.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 18, 2014 02:21 PM (hn5v5)

Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2014 06:14 PM (oMKp3)

Nietzsche wasn't opposed to the left anyway. He's as much a materialist as they were. Someone missed the point.

Posted by: tsrblke (Phone) at April 18, 2014 02:21 PM (WQLkn)

89 Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 06:18 PM (QTyrZ) The Gospel is about the Messiah coming to save men and women from the consequences of sin. It's about the cross, the resurrection, salvation and redemption. It is about God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. It is not a bludgeon to put republicans in office.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2014 02:22 PM (oMKp3)

90 Except if you actually did that stuff the Feds would bring the hammer down and arrest you as part of a conspiracy.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 18, 2014 02:22 PM (ZPrif)

91 "There is a real civil war in America."

Civil Cold War.

It's been going on for a while now. More people are starting to realize that.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 18, 2014 02:22 PM (noWW6)

92 88 Materialism and Leftism are not synonyms. Also, there are a multiplicity of materialisms, including the one that is the foundation of the computer you are posting from. It's at least that accurate as a description of the world. Do you have a better one?

Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 02:22 PM (QTyrZ)

Would it be possible to create a system so that the politicians don't know from whom the donations came?

Donations go into something like a paypal account that you then designate who gets the money. You can show that you donated to politics, but not to whom.

Make it a crime to prove to a candidate that you gave them money.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at April 18, 2014 02:23 PM (TfdkD)

94 If the Left is not your generation's Pharisees, then who is? And what did Jesus do to the Pharisees? And who doubts that Jesus only used a rope because guns hadn't been invented yet?

Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 06:07 PM (QTyrZ)

I doubt Jesus used a length of rope because guns hadn't been invented yet. If He chose, He could've shot laser beams from His eyes or stepped forward into time and brought back a boom box from the early Eighties that only played 'Afternoon Delight' by Starland Vocal Band, which would drive anyone from the Temple.

But that isn't really the point, is it? He was trying to teach them (and us), not kill them.

Posted by: troyriser at April 18, 2014 02:23 PM (2jF2B)

95 Posted by: Darth Cobalt Shiva, Sith Lord at April 18, 2014 06:19 PM (OY/SZ)

Of course, I also wanted the Republicans to go ape-shit on President Dumbass during the last election and wage war on the Democrats in every conceivable manner.

I might as well have wished for my unicorn.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 18, 2014 02:24 PM (AC0lD)

96 So TFG won't make a decision on Keystone. Again.

Posted by: RWC at April 18, 2014 06:15 PM (QeH9j)

Solid B+ imo

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 18, 2014 02:24 PM (TklsO)

Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 06:22 PM (QTyrZ

Nietzsche or Aristotle, Benedict and Trotsky.

I am not unswayed by the description of how we are when we submit to baser instincts. However I do not take the is as an ought.

Posted by: tsrblke (Phone) at April 18, 2014 02:25 PM (WQLkn)

98 "Except if you actually did that stuff the Feds would bring the hammer down and arrest you as part of a conspiracy." Tor, high-grade crypto, and offshore server farms. True, the Feds can bypass all that--at a price. Bringing the case to trial would require the government to reveal intelligence sources & methods on a scale worse than Snowden ever did.

Posted by: Darth Cobalt Shiva, Sith Lord at April 18, 2014 02:25 PM (OY/SZ)

99 "Just finished reading 'This Town' (came out a while ago) - on both sides of the aisle, voters are just a means to an end."

Yep!

Posted by: The Permanent Bipartisan Fusion Party at April 18, 2014 02:25 PM (noWW6)

100 The liar in chief announces another permanent delay in the Keystone pipe line, at the same time he tells us the US is pumping more oil.

Posted by: Buffalobob at April 18, 2014 02:25 PM (AuCeZ)

101 I am not unswayed by the description of how we are when we submit to baser instincts. However I do not take the is as an ought. Can I get a Hat Tip?

Posted by: iKant at April 18, 2014 02:26 PM (KgFhV)

102 "But that isn't really the point, is it? He was trying to teach them (and us), not kill them.

Posted by: troyriser at April 18, 2014 06:23 PM (2jF2B)"

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If that is your interpretation of the Gospels, fine. I disagree. I think there is a reading of the Gospels that sort of implies that people are not put on Earth to endure tyranny at the hands of men, and that law overrides all other laws. I'm not going to quote chapter and verse to make the case, but the overall insistence on the dignity of the individual regardless of his station in life implies that human freedom is of paramount concern. When governments transgress against that freedom, they seek wrath. And they should get it.

Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 02:26 PM (QTyrZ)

103 Good Friday indeed. I got a job.

Posted by: Dog One is open at April 18, 2014 02:26 PM (MnC2P)

104 I posted this on the morning thread. A little more thought. It's kinda like the reverse of the "First they came for the Jews..." In this case, it's like they said, well, you didn't care when they came for me, so why should I care when they come for you? Begin the tl;dr part, but give it a read anyway: I went to an Easter play presented in a black church last Saturday. It has weighed on my heart, since. I know, these things happen for a reason. This play was eye opening to me. Because the story is the story - the source material is the same. But watching how this was presented, to hear what was emphasized, I learned a lot. About the community that was the audience, and about the story itself. I'll point to just one thing. The Sanhedrin brought Jesus to Pilate and asked Pilate to put him to death. In all the years of seeing and hearing the Easter story, here was something I had never heard - it has always been there, I have somehow missed it. From the KJV, John 19:6: ...Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him. I always understood that Pilate was a reluctant player in the Easter story, that he did not want to be drawn into the local politics of the temple, and afterward, he washed his hands of the consequences. But I had missed that Pilate himself thought that Jesus was innocent. This was a new view to me. Rome is always the heavy in The Greatest Story Ever Told. We hear it every time in the Nicene Creed, that He "was crucified under Pontius Pilate." Which is true -but.... It was enlightening to me. Rome and Pilate are not exonerated here - far from it. And that this African American congregation made a big deal of that explains a lot to me. Rome does not crucify Jesus because they are trying to stomp out the burgeoning following around Christ - they do it capriciously, to quell local unrest, a part of a literal conspiracy to kill an innocent man. Their evil is not that are acting with bad intent, but rather that they are acting in the full knowledge that what they are doing is wrong, but do it anyway. Now, Morons don't come here for theology, even on Good Friday. How does this apply to the current crisis? It helps me understand how African Americans look at the American Experience as something alien to them. That the US Government is in many ways like Rome - capricious, and doing what is wrong even when they know it is wrong. And part of the - wait for it - "fundamental transformation of America" is that we are all getting a taste of that. I don't think that Obama and Holder consciously are saying, hey, let's give white people a taste of their own medicine, but I don't doubt there is some amount of their experience informing them. Listening to Glenn Beck over the past few days, he has made some points about this whole Nevada ranch thing. His main deal over it is that people showed up with guns to face down the government, and he is pushing non-violent resistance. And he asks many times - are you facing attack dogs and fire hoses? Is it anything like what African Americans faced? (An aside - my mother was in a restaurant in St. Augustine, Florida when there was a disturbance. Black people were trying to get in, there were police with dogs and cattle prods. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was arrested and jailed. This is living memory. Hard to believe that the Mustang is 50 years old? Well, same year.) I think this is one reason why people try to say that reaction to Obama policies is racist. I know, it is a default and is used by white liberals to mau mau people - but I think that there are many people, many African Americans, who are thinking - well, now that the government is capricious and unfair to you you say something about it. There may be something to it. I used to be a "law and order" (not the TV show) guy - crack down on criminals. But after having my own tangles with the legal system (divorce and traffic tickets!) I know it isn't like you see on TV. It is a capricious and unfair system. It isn't about finding the truth. And cops lie, and nobody cares. Judges I am sure know that the cops are lying on the stand, but they go along with it. Coming into contact with the "justice" system opened my eyes. I didn't complain about it until it affected me. Did it just suddenly become bad, or is not just no longer deniable to me? I don't know. I didn't turn into some bleeding heart liberal. But I can see why people might think and say the things they do. And it makes me think that there is something to, this, too: Criminal Justice Reform: The GOPÂ’s Best Hope to Reach Minority Voters http://alturl.com/zppxv There is no question anymore that law enforcement, and our legal system, are unfair, and out of control. And it isn't just that way to Tea Party organizations applying for tax exempt status.

Posted by: blaster at April 18, 2014 02:27 PM (4+AaH)

105 I've mentioned before how my old boss would ask me to help print stuff or make copies of videos and there were times it turned out to be pretty confidential Dem donor lists or my all time fave of an entire candidates campaign commercials and strategy and how I did not make an extra copy for me and post it on the internet because of my own ethics. I regret that now.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at April 18, 2014 02:27 PM (JACYy)

106 This enemies list stuff is complicated. There is a cabal of investors from the ivies who hold controlling interests in companies you may consider conservative in nature The Obama years have been very very good for this class of investor

Posted by: thunderb at April 18, 2014 02:28 PM (Pc0ub)

107 "Nietzsche or Aristotle, Benedict and Trotsky.
I am not unswayed by the description of how we are when we submit to baser instincts. However I do not take the is as an ought.

Posted by: tsrblke (Phone) at April 18, 2014 06:25 PM (WQLkn)"

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If you consider not "taking the is as an ought" and can live with the consequences, then you are fine.

Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 02:28 PM (QTyrZ)

108 Dog one good on you.

Posted by: blaster at April 18, 2014 02:28 PM (4+AaH)

109 51 Harry Reid, somewhere along the way, sold his soul to the devil. He ain't gettin' it back. He will die a miserable man. Alone and in horrid pain and fear.

Posted by: Northernlurker at April 18, 2014 02:29 PM (shNkh)

110 103 Good Friday indeed. I got a job. Posted by: Dog One is open at April 18, 2014 06:26 PM (MnC2P) Awesome!

Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2014 02:29 PM (oMKp3)

111 The Obama years have been very very good for this class of investor Indeed.

Posted by: John Corzine at April 18, 2014 02:30 PM (KgFhV)

112

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at April 18, 2014 06:27 PM (JACYy)

I am still convinced ethics got me.fired from my ethics job.

The only reason to persist with the moral (intentional) coil is because there are eternal concerns to contemplate.

Posted by: tsrblke (Phone) at April 18, 2014 02:30 PM (WQLkn)

113 The only reason to persist with the moral (intentional) coil is because there are eternal concerns to contemplate. Nonsense.

Posted by: garrett at April 18, 2014 02:31 PM (KgFhV)

114 I don't think that Obama and Holder consciously are saying, hey, let's give white people a taste of their own medicine

Yeah, well I do and they do it in spades. Its purposeful, its planned and its constant.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 18, 2014 02:31 PM (BrAHD)

115 Right now, Dr. Zhvago is showing on TMC. Great Book and movie. The romance is just window dressing, the march and horrors of the communists is the horror of the story, chillingly displayed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 18, 2014 02:31 PM (aDwsi)

116 Where I went to school, the Chaplain explained that the "turn the other cheek" verse is not about meekness, but defiance. Like, you hit me on my cheek? Well, here, hit the other one too! Of course, I went to West Point so a lot of things were kind of explained in ways that might justify a martial man's existence. But I think it's right anyway.

Posted by: blaster at April 18, 2014 02:32 PM (4+AaH)

117 Twice I've seen people disguise their voices and ID to discuss problems with their medical plans on local news. That was never necessary before Hope and Change.

Posted by: forest at April 18, 2014 02:33 PM (stMuz)

118 Congrats, Dog One!

Posted by: Y-not at April 18, 2014 02:34 PM (zDsvJ)

119 Yeah, well I do and they do it in spades. Its purposeful, its planned and its constant. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 18, 2014 06:31 PM (BrAHD) Here is why I disagree. Because they let Liberal white people get away with it. Jon Corzine anyone? He's pretty damn white. And I bet now that he is not in legal peril, he may have found a few of those billion or so dollars again.

Posted by: blaster at April 18, 2014 02:34 PM (4+AaH)

120 Right now, Dr. Zhvago is showing on TMC. Great Book and movie. The romance is just window dressing, the march and horrors of the communists is the horror of the story, chillingly displayed. ======= I have it on Videodisc. I'll have to get around to watching it someday...

Posted by: --- at April 18, 2014 02:34 PM (MMC8r)

121 "The heretic Nazi Pelosi is washing the feet of illegal immigrant Mexicans." In an episcopal church. It suggests that the stunt was turned down by Catholic clergy.

Posted by: Decaf at April 18, 2014 02:34 PM (ilbeM)

122 "106 This enemies list stuff is complicated. There is a cabal of investors from the ivies who hold controlling interests in companies you may consider conservative in nature

The Obama years have been very very good for this class of investor

Posted by: thunderb at April 18, 2014 06:28 PM (Pc0ub)"

But doesn't the Left do their thing by hurting lower-level people who disagree with such shrieking frenzy that anyone higher-ranking just keeps quiet if they disagree with the Left. Sure, Rush and other high-profile names don't keep quiet and the Left rarely even scuffs them because they're big names, but people lower on the totem pole just stay quiet. Brendan Eich had just gotten to the level where he was both big enough to matter and small enough to take down, that's why he was targeted. That's where the Right fails, at least one of the places, they don't "pick a target, freeze it" and whatever else that blabbermouth Alinsky said, at the lower-level. That woman who spied on Joe the Plumber never got half the Alinsky treatment she deserved. Like I've been implying, you people are too nice.

Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 02:34 PM (QTyrZ)

123 When governments transgress against that freedom, they seek wrath. And they should get it.

Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 06:26 PM (QTyrZ)

You stated that, given His druthers, Christ would choose a gun over a length of rope to drive moneychangers from the Temple (he didn't drive out Pharisees, btw). I'm telling you your reasoning is flat-out wrong on that score. You sound as if you don't know Him very well. That can be addressed.

Further, you complain about the supposed pacifism of Christians, and would prefer a less turn-the-other-cheek approach. I frankly haven't seen the pacificistic approach you're talking about, at least not in the political sense. Most Americans, in fact, claim to be Christians of one sort or another. We fight when necessity dictates.

Actually, trying to discern your point at all is like trying to cut soup with a knife.

Posted by: troyriser at April 18, 2014 02:35 PM (2jF2B)

124
The fact that they can use some liberal white people to increase their power and their wealth does not disqualify what they do.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 18, 2014 02:36 PM (BrAHD)

125 The Kansas City highway shooter was.....a Hadji I wonder how much coverage this will get on the big 3?

Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 18, 2014 02:36 PM (thLL8)

126 Reid shows signs of serious mental illness.

Posted by: Pat at April 18, 2014 02:37 PM (KCg4m)

127 Dear Senator Reid, I was so impressed with your personal dedication to the people of your great state. After the situation at the Bundy ranch strarted to look like things might turn violent, you went right to the front line and pleaded with both sides to stop a minute and say a prayer. And you stayed there until it was clear that cooler heads would prevail, and everyone could go back to their regular lives without fear of any violence. But wait! You weren't there at all. I thought you must have been there from your descriptons of everything that happened, and who said what, and who was threatening violence to women and children. Actually, you waited until all was over, and then went on national TV braying like a big jackass that it isn't over. Actually, you are nothing more than a little coward bully; a quivering pussy. Yours ever most truly, bergerbilder

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 18, 2014 02:37 PM (8MjqI)

128 I'd feel ever more sympathetic to Dr. K's pearl clutching if he hadn't been first in line to slam Christine O'Donnell AFTER won the GOP primary based on information leaked by people with access to her IRS file. Dr. K helped elect another dem to the senate, but better than then elect a witch, I guess.

Posted by: mysteryman at April 18, 2014 02:37 PM (UOAdG)

129 I don't think that Obama and Holder consciously are saying, hey, let's give white people a taste of their own medicine, but I don't doubt there is some amount of their experience informing them.

Posted by: blaster at April 18, 2014 06:27 PM (4+AaH)

I think giving whitey shit is the only thing that gives their miserable piece of shit lives any meaning. I think its what drives them from the minute they get up to the minute they go hang upside down to sleep.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 18, 2014 02:37 PM (FMbng)

130 The fact that they can use some liberal white people to increase their power and their wealth does not disqualify what they do. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 18, 2014 06:36 PM (BrAHD) You could be right, but I think their altar is Liberalism not race. Race is a tool to liberal power - Liberalism is not the tool to racial power. See Ben Carson, Condoleeza Rice, et al.

Posted by: blaster at April 18, 2014 02:37 PM (4+AaH)

131 "It's interesting to watch legislation and rules being formulated to prevent the sort of brain injuries that Harry Reid (former boxer) used to willingly incur on a daily basis."

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 18, 2014 06:34 PM (oGrEy)

Hey, easy there, I boxed amateur in my youth and...um...ah...what were we talking about?

Posted by: troyriser at April 18, 2014 02:37 PM (2jF2B)

132 Where I went to school, the Chaplain explained that the "turn the other cheek" verse is not about meekness, but defiance. Like, you hit me on my cheek? Well, here, hit the other one too! True, but nobody understands what meek means anyway. Most people think it means submissive. It's more like gentle and easily entreated. I can be gentle and take other people's POV into consideration and not be a doormat. I take the "go with them twain" instruction the same way. It's defiance. "You can force me to go with you a mile, but the second mile is all me, and I do it because I want to."

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 18, 2014 02:38 PM (2hTlI)

133 "The heretic Nazi Pelosi is washing the feet of illegal immigrant Mexicans."

In an episcopal church. It suggests that the stunt was turned down by Catholic clergy.

Posted by: Decaf at April 18, 2014 06:34 PM (ilbeM)

Is there no depth to which my former church won't sink? I hope she gets pinworms doing this.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 18, 2014 02:38 PM (TklsO)

134 Posted by: blaster at April 18, 2014 06:27 PM (4+AaH)

Great post blaster. When I lived in America, I used to naturally have great respect for law enforcement.

But now, the entire system scares the crap out of me. Prosecutors and government agencies with comparatively unlimited resources that can punish anyone that steps out of line using any obscure law. That's a system that can't break down fast enough.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 18, 2014 02:38 PM (AC0lD)

135 Imagine that douche bill ayers and what he would do with the levers of the US. That is exactly what is happening. All over. It is that creepy. Very creepy. I see it. Its just like one of those 70s sci fi flicks, albeit worse.

Posted by: Rev dr e buzz healthcare at April 18, 2014 02:38 PM (K2KRO)

136

126 - Local Story; Nothing To See; Move Along.

Matthew Sheppard? STOP THE PRESSES!!11!! NASH-UH-NALL NEWZ!!11!!

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at April 18, 2014 02:39 PM (uopHF)

137 Reid shows signs of serious mental illness. ===== It's either desperation because he sees he's going to lose the majority, or he's going full Howard Beale.

Posted by: --- at April 18, 2014 02:39 PM (MMC8r)

138 OT kinda sorta Speaking of Christian fighters, I just texted my Army kid and asked him what he was doing for this evening. He said he was getting ready to play handbells for Good Friday service. I asked him when he learned how to do that?!? He said, "about 5 minutes ago." Should be a service to remember ......

Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2014 02:40 PM (oMKp3)

139 Posted by: bonhomme at April 18, 2014 06:38 PM (2hTlI) I thought "turn the other cheek" meant "kiss my ass".

Posted by: BignJames at April 18, 2014 02:41 PM (ZNQKl)

140

We'll have to agree to disagree then, I think race IS the primary driver for those two.

I will state tho that liberals in the past used race to further liberalism, those two have switched it around.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 18, 2014 02:41 PM (BrAHD)

141 I think that's right. Liberalism is the goal. Race is the tool

Posted by: thunderb at April 18, 2014 02:41 PM (Pc0ub)

142 124

My point is why are you constantly losing? Or, if you are not losing, why do the comments here always seem to refer to a feeling of losing? Is it that every political faction in America thinks it's losing and you reflect that general trend? I take a more philosophical stance toward America and don't really care if it continues to exist or not, but it is a fascinating case study in a people letting its country slip into the hands of an ideology diametrically-opposed to its foundation. That happens a lot, it just hadn't happened here yet, until now. Aren't you in the least bit curious in doing a post-mortem?

Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 02:42 PM (QTyrZ)

143 "
I like to think of Jesus not as a pacifist, but a passive-aggressive agitator. Not in the Obama mold, which is progressive-agressiveÂ®.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at April 18, 2014 06:42 PM (oGrEy)"

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There was a reason why people feared Jesus would lead a revolution. In a world as violent as his, do you really think they feared a Gandhi-like revolution?

Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 02:43 PM (QTyrZ)

144 CK: I had not foreseen how donor lists would be used not to ferret out corruption but to pursue and persecute citizens with contrary views. Which corrupts the very idea of full disclosure. I saw it coming right here: http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=293835#c6932451 "To the extent that signers want to avoid First Amendment activities like picketing by asserting their own First Amendment rights, the signers don't have a leg to stand on." This is the important issue for me. Frankly, when Prop 8 passed in CA I wanted to know everyone that supported that offensive act in order to make sure I in no way contributed to their well being. That should be my right as a citizen. Now, if I wanted to know it so that I could go and commit violence against them, then I would be a criminal and there are criminal laws to deal with that. In a republic, laws are created by representatives accountable to the voters. But when you farm out that duty to ballot initiatives, who do you hold accountable? I'm not saying my side has to win every vote, but I want the option to picket and oppose those that voted against me. The HQ morons were paying attention; CK didn't.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 18, 2014 02:44 PM (30eLQ)

145 Back in those days, before toilet paper, a person had a 'clean' hand and an 'unclean' hand. (This practice actually continues to this day in parts of the mid-east.) Back to the point, to 'turn the cheek' forced the person to use their 'clean' hand to strike you, the filthy beast you are -- thereby defiling their clean hand. I'm going to show you my forehand slap, AND my backhand slap.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 18, 2014 02:45 PM (2hTlI)

146 *Rant Alert* Not to sound like a male chauvinist, but a man has to do what a man has to do. If you cannot stand by your principles, then you have none. Should you wish your voice heard, then you must absorb the requisite slings and arrows of opposition: there must be a hill to die on; otherwise, life is a but a mere struggle for subsistence, and nobility dies instead. If you cannot bear the sting of the protestations of the foolish and self-indulgent, then be quiet, as you have no grounds for complaint: did not the Roman Empire progress, in but a generation, from the persecutions (and price-fixing) of Diocletian to the edicts of Constantine without the spilled blood of countless martyrs? Would people like Boehner, McConnell, McCain, et al (and, yes, even Krauthammer) learn this lesson, we wouldn't be in such a national predicament, because the Republic ended when a man was too afraid to punch another man in the nose for a baseless effrontery without getting himself sued. It's time to take a stand, fellows. You wanna see my donations? Have at it, and good luck to you, because I've made my peace and know who I am.

Posted by: ArmChair in sin at April 18, 2014 02:45 PM (BnOvL)

147 *ahem* to clarify, the anti-prop-8 fascist who originally posted that shit, wasn't me.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 18, 2014 02:46 PM (30eLQ)

148 I'm beginning to adjust my red hot hate for Jane Fonda. With her whining about growing old, I'm realizing she's just a spoiled but good looking brat. As such she's never really had to face any sort of reality and it's just possible she was totally unaware of the hurt and damage she did in Viet Nam.

There's no excuse for Harry Reid.

He's an exemplar of Boss Hogg like rural county execs/supervisors who throw their weight around and turn local small government into their personal fiefdom.

They're to be found all over the country (probably all over the world) and that he has the added fillip of being the most powerful Senator just adds to the frisson that his declaration that "this isn't over" and "they're domestic terrorists" is filled with portent of bad things happening to those at the center of the controversy.

He should be removed from office as soon as possible. He has a look of cruelty and that he enjoys making people fear him and having his threats carried out. The typical small town tyrant/bully.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 18, 2014 02:47 PM (JS0vr)

149 Aren't you in the least bit curious in doing a post-mortem?

Posted by: Eternally-recurring Zombie Nietzsche at April 18, 2014 06:42 PM (QTyrZ)

It ain't over yet. We ain't over yet.

Posted by: troyriser at April 18, 2014 02:47 PM (2jF2B)

150 Leave my friend Harry alone!

Posted by: Senator John McCain [/i] [/b] at April 18, 2014 02:48 PM (5ikDv)

151 If Cliven Bundy were REALLY a terrorist, Eric Holder would be acting as his personal attorney....

Posted by: Stu-22 at April 18, 2014 02:49 PM (KbrNh)

152 Speaking of enemies lists, those gay Hollywood pedarists were all Hillary bundlers and donors. I think their political activism is the reason they have NOT been prosecuted

Posted by: thunderb at April 18, 2014 02:49 PM (Pc0ub)

153 Where I went to school, the Chaplain explained that the "turn the other cheek" verse is not about meekness, but defiance. Like, you hit me on my cheek? Well, here, hit the other one too! I once (and only once) heard it explained that "Turn the other cheek" was a reference to how someone would choose to strike a person they believed to be of lesser social status, with the back of the hand. By offering the other cheek you are in effect saying, "Treat me as an equal," ie, striking with the palm. Since I didn't live in that culture I have no idea if that's true, but it was a different take than I'd heard before.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 18, 2014 02:50 PM (0AKks)

154 It's not surprising that the same people who invented political correctness and speech codes would eventually begin seeking retribution against those who transgressed them. Kraut shouldn't be so surprised. The Left has shattered the compact of 'you have the right to your own opinion.'

Posted by: --- at April 18, 2014 02:50 PM (MMC8r)

155 Kinda hard to criticize Reid for calling Bundy supporters domestic terrorists when you have Ed Morissey saying it's technically true. Course Ed won't have any of that when it comes to criticizing the Kochs, no sir, it's just not right to criticize people who give millions to R's, but hillbillies with guns? Yeah, technically true, funny how that works.

Posted by: booger at April 18, 2014 02:51 PM (xRDdL)

156
This seems newsworthy:

Poland and the United States will announce next week the deployment of U.S. ground forces to Poland as part of an expansion of NATO presence in Central and Eastern Europe in response to events in Ukraine. That was the word from PolandÂ’s defense minister, Tomasz Siemoniak, who visited The Post Friday after meeting with Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel at the Pentagon on Thursday.Â”

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 18, 2014 02:53 PM (BrAHD)

157 Hairy Reed is so appallingly repulsive, so breathtakingly venal, so horrifically creepy. His dessicated-mummy voice makes my skin crawl. He is an affront to all that is good in this country. He is, as much as Bronc Bama, perhaps even more, the face of the progressive enemy we face right now. He is old, his soul a powdery residue in his brittle ribcage. Perhaps he feels he has nothing to lose playing Wormtongue in this terrible story.

Posted by: Arthur Cognomen at April 18, 2014 02:53 PM (RwwCT)

158 I hope Harry Reid's blood pressure is somewhere in the low 300s after all this.

Posted by: --- at April 18, 2014 02:53 PM (MMC8r)

159
Maybe Tea Partiers should fight back, maybe publish Lois Lerners home address for picketing or something. I think sometimes liberals see their tactics use against them and the stop it or reduce it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 18, 2014 02:55 PM (BrAHD)

160 158 Give them back their anti-missile systems, too. There's a lot of pressure that can be applied to Putin through Poland.

Posted by: --- at April 18, 2014 02:55 PM (MMC8r)

161

Being a modern liberal means not besting your opponentÂ’s view but delegitimizing it. And having the power to do it.

Posted by: CJ at April 18, 2014 02:57 PM (jbdp1)

162 In a just world old Harry would be expiring with tertiary syphilis right about now.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at April 18, 2014 02:58 PM (wdHk6)

163 155 Where I went to school, the Chaplain explained that the "turn the other cheek" verse is not about meekness, but defiance. Like, you hit me on my cheek? Well, here, hit the other one too! I once (and only once) heard it explained that "Turn the other cheek" was a reference to how someone would choose to strike a person they believed to be of lesser social status, with the back of the hand. By offering the other cheek you are in effect saying, "Treat me as an equal," ie, striking with the palm. Since I didn't live in that culture I have no idea if that's true, but it was a different take than I'd heard before. Posted by: Blanco Basura at April 18, 2014 06:50 PM (0AKks) No matter the interpretation I think one interpretation cuts across all others. Resistance. "I am not about to stop doing what caused you to slap me to begin with so tough luck."

Posted by: Buzzion at April 18, 2014 02:58 PM (LI48c)

164 "Perhaps we should start fighting back by:

not apologizing everytime a feminist gets upset"

Well, I'll believe the right is taking this seriously when I stop reading mewling arguments like "We're better than that," and "Using their methods makes us just as bad as they are." And yes, I do mean Ace (Sandra Fluke, anyone?) among others.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at April 18, 2014 02:59 PM (FkH4y)

165 Kinda hard to criticize Reid for calling Bundy supporters domestic terrorists when you have Ed Morissey saying it's technically true. Course Ed won't have any of that when it comes to criticizing the Kochs, no sir, it's just not right to criticize people who give millions to R's, but hillbillies with guns? Yeah, technically true, funny how that works.

Posted by: booger at April 18, 2014 06:51 PM (xRDdL)

With Poppin' Fresh on our side, it's like being down a gazillion runs in the bottom of the ninth and some dorkus maximus in the dugout saying "In fairness, we can still win this".

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 18, 2014 03:02 PM (TklsO)

166 Ace, Harry Reid couldn't stop at calling Cliven Bundy and all his supporters "domestic terrorists" -- he had to also falsely accuse Bundy of "not paying his taxes" which is another outright lie.

Also, wrt politicians taking things "personally", did you hear the one today about the mayor of Peoria, IL?? He actually had the cops go after a guy who had a parody account on twitter -- they confiscated his property over it!

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at April 18, 2014 03:03 PM (KL49F)

167 Maybe Bundy should run against Reid. That might make that cancerous leprechaun keel over dead.

Posted by: --- at April 18, 2014 03:04 PM (MMC8r)

168 @159 Harry's heavenly reward would be Pluto, were it still a planet.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 18, 2014 03:06 PM (8MjqI)

169 I'm more angry at the GOP for not attacking the Donk use of enemy lists than I am at Donkey for having them.

I know the Democrats are evil, it's why I am GOP....

I am tired of the GOP being feckless against evil.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 18, 2014 03:07 PM (TE35l)

170 damn I killed a thread again...better than my heart I guess...

Posted by: sven10077 at April 18, 2014 03:10 PM (TE35l)

171 Screw this shit I'm moving to Kepler-186f. You know the f stands for.... mhmm

Posted by: Regular Guy at April 18, 2014 03:12 PM (N3Al8)

172 173 Regular Guy at April 18, 2014 07:12 PM (N3Al

The FU stands for.... Harry Reid

Posted by: sven10077 at April 18, 2014 03:13 PM (TE35l)

173 >>> Give them back their anti-missile systems, too. There's a lot of pressure that can be applied to Putin through Poland. Posted by: --- at April 18, 2014 06:55 PM (MMC8r) Hell, give them nuclear missiles. None of this would be happening now if Ukraine hadn't let that silver-tounged devil Bill Clinton talk them out of their nukes. (In fairness to Ukraine, they aren't the only ones who lived to regret listening to Slick Willy.)

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 18, 2014 03:13 PM (8MjqI)

174 The thing about Ed Morissey is he's an idiot. A fat, bald idiot.

Posted by: garrett at April 18, 2014 03:14 PM (KgFhV)

175 Vox finally wrote something people will read They asked porn stars how they told their parents they were porn stars Journalism!

Posted by: thunderb at April 18, 2014 03:14 PM (Pc0ub)

176 Live Free or Die What was given to me by a just God, my Rights as a Human on this Earth, cannot be taken away because some others say "it is so" My Inalienable rights are not in their purvey no matter what Harry Reid or anyone else has to say

Posted by: Samuel_Adams at April 18, 2014 03:15 PM (Zz48T)

177

It all makes sense...when you understand that Barky was never a 'Community Organizer'.

He was an Agitator.

The Organizers brought him in to stir up crowds.

Barky couldn't organize a pissing match.

We are being Provoked.

We are being pushed and provoked on a daily basis.

Bullying...is another word for this.

They want people to become violent, so they can use the full brutal force of their powers against us.

The reason why the Bundy Ranch standoff sticks in their craws...is that it was basically 'passive resistance' that won the day.

Yes, some of the supporters and cowboys had arms with them...

But they didn't use them.

And the government goons were far more heavily armed than the citizen-supporters were.

This is why they backed down.

They knew that it would be seen as 'overkill' if they fired first.

When you lose your temper with someone who is bullying you...the bully usually wins.

Barky and Holder are like the bullies in school, who would start shit and then go..."What! I didn't do anything."

So I guess what I'm saying is, we should stay frosty and not give them what they want.

Posted by: wheatie at April 18, 2014 03:15 PM (fAjDo)

178 176 garrett at April 18, 2014 07:14 PM (KgFhV)

However Nothing Says Lovin' Like Ed Morrissey poppin' out of your oven all fresh and warm though....

Posted by: sven10077 at April 18, 2014 03:16 PM (TE35l)

179

Posted by: sven10077 at April 18, 2014 07:13 PM (TE35l)

It would not surprise me if the Bundy travesty is the Ft.Sumter of our times. and yes FU to HR...

Posted by: Regular Guy at April 18, 2014 03:17 PM (N3Al8)

180 179 wheatie at April 18, 2014 07:15 PM (fAjDo)

Maybe, I can't help but wonder if the better answer is to give them 18 tons of shit and watch them dig for the pony in there.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 18, 2014 03:17 PM (TE35l)

181 "None of this would be happening now if Ukraine hadn't let that silver-tounged devil Bill Clinton talk them out of their nukes."

It wasn't just Clinton.

A lot of the "responsible moderate GOP", the Dick Lugar bunch, were also foursquare behind that bad deal.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 18, 2014 03:17 PM (noWW6)

182 My apologies to the fat and bald.

Posted by: garrett at April 18, 2014 03:17 PM (KgFhV)

183 The sad thing is, all it takes to stop this kind of bullying in its tracks is laughter. One CEO not folding under pressure, not apologizing, but mocking them to their faces. These Social Justice Warrior types aren't strong people. They know on some level that they have no power, that they're inferior and hateful, and they project this on others as leftists tend to do. They're narcissistic, Obama-type personalities. They can't handle public mockery because validation by others is their lifeblood.

We need more Breitbarts, more happy warriors who are not afraid to laugh at the outraged mobs. Don't be angry, don't be vindictive, but never stop laughing at them.

How ya feeling, sven?

Posted by: kartoffel at April 18, 2014 03:17 PM (sWwJZ)

184 Ed Morrissey. Conservatism's Kent Dorfman.

Posted by: --- at April 18, 2014 03:18 PM (MMC8r)

185 185 kartoffel at April 18, 2014 07:17 PM (sWwJZ)

I'm fine actually.

Wife was on leave this week to spend time with lad and I....

I miss Breitbart, and the movement misses him-of course unlike the GOP "Happy Warrior" was not about ignoring evil....

mock it, laugh at it....but call it what it is.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 18, 2014 03:19 PM (TE35l)

186 Ed Morrissey. Conservatism's Margaret Cho ~~Kent Dorfman.~~

Posted by: garrett at April 18, 2014 03:20 PM (KgFhV)

187 188 garrett at April 18, 2014 07:20 PM (KgFhV)

Ed Morrissey-Conservatism's Al Franken

Posted by: sven10077 at April 18, 2014 03:20 PM (TE35l)

188 Hot Air; You wanted Malkin. You'd have settled for Doc Zero. You got Ed Morissey.

Posted by: garrett at April 18, 2014 03:22 PM (KgFhV)

189 165 Buzzion at April 18, 2014 06:58 PM (LI48c)

Buzzion it was a tough answer, just like contra what the left tells you Jesus was not a wimp and he said "sell your cloak and get a sword"...

Plenty of Roman troops were Christian soldiers.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 18, 2014 03:23 PM (TE35l)

190

187...mock it, laugh at it....but call it what it is.

Exactly, sven.

And also...shine a giant flashlight on their dirty deeds.

Glad you're feeling better.

Posted by: wheatie at April 18, 2014 03:23 PM (fAjDo)

191

Posted by: wheatie at April 18, 2014 07:15 PM (fAjDo

Righteous!!

Posted by: Regular Guy at April 18, 2014 03:23 PM (N3Al8)

192 Posted by: garrett at April 18, 2014 07:14 PM (KgFhV)

Good to hear my opinion vindicated by others.

Fat little prick banned me because I had the temerity to comment on how the site wasn't as good as it was before Town Haul took over.

And he did a douchebag move of berating me for my comment publicly AFTER he had banned my from commenting so that I couldn't retort back in explanation of what I had said.

Fat marshmallow bald hair cheapshot douche.

I hope he curls up every night in a ball whimpering over his lost soul.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 18, 2014 03:31 PM (JS0vr)

193

194...I disagree. When you throw that punch to the nose of the bully his body automatically reacts. His eyes fill with tears, his nose begins to bleed. Any onlooker realizes that the bully is merely mortal.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron

-----------

This works...when the bully is on equal footing with you, with respect to having Power over you.

What if the bully is your Boss?

Or what if the bully is a Police Force?

And what if the bully has the full backing of the media, which covers up the bullying?

You have to take a different tact, as far as confronting them.

Posted by: wheatie at April 18, 2014 03:32 PM (fAjDo)

194 Ed Morrisey - conservatism's Pajama Boy.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 18, 2014 03:32 PM (8MjqI)

195 Civility ended when people voted to kill babies.

Posted by: Madamex at April 18, 2014 03:33 PM (vaWdD)

196 Civility ended when it became profitable to be a victim.

That started with Affirmative Action.

Then the Feminists got on the gravy train.

And it's been downhill ever since.

White redneck males are the last non victims in the country.

Every one else has their day or week or month and their own Office of Boo Hoo My Feelings Got Hurt Mommy to go beat up on whoever said something they didn't like.

Only the Government never responds fast enough so the victims started taking the quasi-law into their quasi-hands and boom instant vigilantes.

Ready to pile on at a moment's notice or even whiff of butt hurt by one of their own or other special snow flake.

George Patton would have a sprained wrist by now slapping all the bitches we've spawned.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 18, 2014 03:39 PM (JS0vr)

197 Posted by: wheatie at April 18, 2014 07:15 PM (fAjDo I was reading that the Bundy side thinks the 20 BLM were a sacrifice. They were the ones who would not have survived. The management was far away behind bunkers. That they were sent to be killed by Obama to get the match lit.

Posted by: Madamex at April 18, 2014 03:40 PM (vaWdD)

198 That's two posts that refer to Sen. Sheldon Whitehorse. Did I miss the setup for this joke or do you not know his name is Whitehouse?

Posted by: In the bunker at April 18, 2014 04:02 PM (lFQfB)

199 Shit. Sock

You're pulling them up too far.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 18, 2014 04:23 PM (DL2i+)

200 > "it seeks to regulate the minutiae of citizensÂ’ lives with all the terrible moral ferocity of David Frum on a Tuesday afternoon espresso bender." Somebody get Frum some aloe for that burn.

Posted by: Brewdog at April 18, 2014 04:26 PM (TZVis)

201 i agree with the kraut.

Posted by: The Savage Weiner at April 18, 2014 04:51 PM (6j8ke)

202 That's why it should be called the dark side. I'm prepared, but scared at the same time.

Posted by: hardcore at April 18, 2014 05:07 PM (E1Ihc)

203 176 The thing about Ed Morissey is he's an idiot. A fat, bald idiot. He's a pussy. A milquetoast, wanna-be butt sniffer for the Chamber of Commerce Republicans. He's most terrified of comments which might offend the muckity mucks in DC who he desperately wishes would let him into their private treehouse. Reid made his "domestic terrorist" comments as a pretext to using the full force of the Feds and NDAA indefinite detention on the communist's enemies - ie non-enslaved White America. They've war gamed it since Weather Underground's Billy Ayers was coercing white coeds to sleep with black thugs, lest they be viewed as "racist" by the vanguard. Go on Democratic Underground and read the comments. The 1000-yard stare folks are frothing at the mouth in hopes of seeing us all slaughtered. Don't expect any minority help. You racist Whites built it, now they want it. Tired of being nice yet?

Posted by: YourMomKeepsTexting at April 18, 2014 05:27 PM (Uug4p)

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