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February 02, 2014

Sunday Travel Thread [Y-not]
— Open Blogger

This thread sponsored by Old Spice.

**OK, by special request, here is a link to the Hot Old Spice Guy.**

There were a lot of great suggestions in last SundayÂ’s thread and I promise IÂ’ll get to them, but in light of the events this past week I thought itÂ’d be nice to use the travel thread to talk about the places weÂ’ve visited Â– or would like to visit someday Â– that renew our spirits and inspire us to carry on. Through all the struggles we endure in our every day lives, where do we go to find solace? Where do we feel closer to God (or feel a part of some Bigger Meaning, irrespective of if one believes in a higher power)? I think this is a primal urge that humans have Â– to find meaning and purpose for our lives beyond those that we share as animals (eating, drinking, reproducing, surviving). ItÂ’s a central part of who we are and one that I think itÂ’s important to nourish. Travel can be a great way to do that.

Back in the day, I had a chance to do a fair amount of traveling (although not nearly as much as many of our globe-trotting morons and Â‘ettes). These are some of my favorite Â“sacredÂ” places (below the jump):
The American West
IÂ’m living here now but even before that I have long been drawn to this part of the country, particularly the desert regions which are so different from the region where I was raised. I think itÂ’s the scale of the open spaces, the immediacy of the EarthÂ’s geology, the harshness of the land (and toughness of the flora and fauna) and, frankly, the LIGHT out here that impress me to such an extent and make a Creator seem quite real and very present.

Image source here.

I thought these articles describing some of the places sacred to native peoples were quite interesting. IÂ’ve been to some of them and hope to visit more in the years to come:

Sacred Places in the Great Basin describes many of the important sites in Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, and Colorado.

And this article on New MexicoÂ’s Sacred Places highlights a few from New Mexico, which I think is one of the most beautiful places on earth. The light there really is special. No wonder artists are drawn to it.

Finally, I could spend hours looking at the 3D interactive panoramas of Utah on this site: Utah3D
...or I could get off my duff, hop in my car, and go see them!

St. PaulÂ’s Cathedral, London
Quite a few years ago now I had the chance to spend a few days in London and was fortunate to have a local act as my guide. One of the places that impressed me greatly was St. PaulÂ’s Cathedral in London. We happened in at the end of a long, hot day of walking all over town. Inside was cool and peaceful... and then the choir began to sing! We must have stumbled onto practice. Simply amazing acoustics. I was so impressed I popped a twenty pound note into the collection box. The virtual tour is wonderful.

Image source here.

Basilica of the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception and Mount St. Sepulchre, Washington, D.C.
Another church that made a great impression on me was the Basilica of the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, which I visited with my family as a young girl. My specific memories are vague, but the visceral impression it made on me as a Holy Place has stayed with me to this day.

Dome_of_the_Basilica_of_the_National_Shrine_of_the_Immaculate_Conception.jpg

Image source here.

As I recall, my parents also took me to the nearby Franciscan Monastery of the Holy Land (aka Mount St. Sepulchre), which includes fascinating catacombs that made quite an impression on me as a youngster. There's a virtual tour available here.

Of course there are many other beautiful churches around the world, some of which are listed in this article. Which have you visited?

One that is on my bucket list (and possibly yours, too) is the Sistine Chapel and its amazing ceiling. The 3D virtual tour of the chapel is breathtaking.

Also on my bucket list are two important American sites, Gettysburg and Arlington National Cemetery. I don't know how it happened to be that I've never been to either despite growing up in the area and having parents who were really wonderful about taking my sister and me to monuments, museums, and historical sites. In any event, I'd like to go to both of them someday. I expect they are powerful landmarks.

In addition, I'd also like to visit the USS Arizona Memorial someday and pay my respects to the men who lost their lives there.

Finally, I think IÂ’d like to visit Stonehenge. IÂ’m curious if it would feel like a sacred place or merely an historical curiosity.

What places are on your bucket list? Where do you go to find peace and inspiration?

To finish up, hereÂ’s lovely video of Niagara Falls in honor of our friend, Joffen:

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1 I can put up a politics thread if you folks want, but the child molester, heroin addict, media bias threads may be sufficient for those needs.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:07 PM (zDsvJ)

2 Beautiful idea for a thread, Y-not. Let me look at some of your pictures and then I'll compose a comment of my own.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 02, 2014 01:11 PM (P6QsQ)

3 I've been traveling for a few days and must have missed it. What happened to Joffen?

Posted by: Havedash at February 02, 2014 01:12 PM (G1XMn)

4 Thx, grammie.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:12 PM (zDsvJ)

5 Until the first pic loaded I expected the shirtless Old Spice guy on a horse.

Posted by: Crestfallen and confused why at February 02, 2014 01:13 PM (R6JT1)

6 I'm doing pretty well. I've been to all but Stonehenge and Niagara Falls.

It's a cliche, but if you haven't seen the Grand Canyon, you need to. Simply awesome.

Posted by: pep at February 02, 2014 01:13 PM (6TB1Z)

7 Been to Stonehenge. No great feeling to it. A pile of rocks. Vietnam memorial feels sacred.

Posted by: blaster at February 02, 2014 01:13 PM (4+AaH)

8 Havedash, Joffen passed away.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:14 PM (zDsvJ)

9 Niagara Falls is awe inspiring.

Posted by: blaster at February 02, 2014 01:14 PM (4+AaH)

10 So I Sistine Chapel. The Great Pyramids are something but not sacred.

Posted by: blaster at February 02, 2014 01:15 PM (4+AaH)

11 One of my favorite places is the Smokey Mountain National Park great spaces views to die for and a feeling of history. I also like the great state of Texas we visit my husbands brother and sister-in-law and it's always such a great place to visit. Really booming now.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at February 02, 2014 01:15 PM (GKF3X)

12 The Hall of Heroes in the Pentagon. First room on your left of the main entrance.

In 1994 I went there with a circus troop to accept some award for something someone else did.

The tour left and I stayed in that room.

I found myself alone with myself.

This was just after Randy and Garry were awarded The Medal, like a week after.

I left my campaign hat in that room. I had just been deemed a master military training instructor a few months prior, but walking into that room I discovered I was unworthy.

Another place that's holy: walking out my door every morning and seeing the Sangre De Christos snuggling up to Pikes Peak. Deep breath and watching the eagles hunt for breakfast. Every morning.

It does a soul good.

Posted by: tangonine at February 02, 2014 01:16 PM (x3YFz)

13 I have not been to the Grand Canyon yet but absolutely will. Mr Y-not has been to the North Rim and a lot of the Four Corners region (doing radiation surveys as an intern thru Oakridge).

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:16 PM (zDsvJ)

14 Joffen passed away.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 05:14 PM (zDsvJ)

Wow, that's sad. He seemed to have issues.

Posted by: Havedash at February 02, 2014 01:16 PM (G1XMn)

15 Very sweet closing, Y. I backpacked through Europe so I'd go with: Rome, not Paris. And, here on our continent, Lake Louise, Canada. Texas Gulf Coast I gets a good third place.

Posted by: L, elle at February 02, 2014 01:16 PM (0xqKe)

16 Y-not: you need the Old Spice Guy in this post.

Posted by: L, elle at February 02, 2014 01:17 PM (0xqKe)

17 Rome is full of beautiful things. I have driven the Swiss Alps.

Posted by: blaster at February 02, 2014 01:19 PM (4+AaH)

18 I went through the Panama Canal last week then up the Pacific coast of Costa Rica and would love to do it again. The big suprise was Panama City, which looks like Hong Kong or Singapore with all the high-rise buildings. Bonus: We got to see the prison where Manuel Noriega is currently ensconsed (next to the canal); I thought he was still in jail in the U.S., or dead.

Posted by: profligatewaste at February 02, 2014 01:19 PM (R3JkO)

19 pearl harbor? I thought you'd be coming to Hawaii to visit me ~~sob~~

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 01:19 PM (At8tV)

20 Re: Stonehenge: not mystical at all. Rocks in a field next to the road.

Posted by: t-bird at February 02, 2014 01:20 PM (FcR7P)

21 I have not been to the Grand Canyon yet but absolutely will. Mr Y-not has been to the North Rim and a lot of the Four Corners region

I also went to the North Rim, which I recommend highly, and went in May, before it got to hot, and before the tourist hordes arrived. It was just spectacular, and you aren't far from Zion and Bryce Canyon. You want sublime and spiritual, they'll give you all you can handle.

Posted by: pep at February 02, 2014 01:20 PM (6TB1Z)

22 Philippi feels sacred.

Posted by: blaster at February 02, 2014 01:21 PM (4+AaH)

23 The two places I have found to be the most spiritual are empty ones. Way out in the middle of the sea especially at night. Also the desert. I love the painted desert on the north east side of the grand canyon.

Posted by: traye at February 02, 2014 01:21 PM (iL9QP)

24 Some may ask themselves; "Why a travel thread on Super Bowl Sunday." Isn't the real question; "Y-not?"

Posted by: Ammo Dump at February 02, 2014 01:22 PM (GgPam)

25 I've driven through northern Neuvo MÃ©xico in late December. Very Martian. Very beautiful.

The open spaces of Larimer County are awesome too.

Southern Wyoming, meh. But the Tetons are spectacular.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 02, 2014 01:22 PM (30eLQ)

26 I still need to visit Moscow in the summer of course otherwise yeah, been there done that

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 01:22 PM (At8tV)

27 I still need to visit Moscow
in the summer of course

That was the plan.

Posted by: Adolf at February 02, 2014 01:23 PM (30eLQ)

28 >>Posted by: tangonine at February 02, 2014 05:16 PM Sounds wonderful, solemn.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:23 PM (zDsvJ)

29 I have been to the Vatican and the Sistine Chapel. It is indeed glorious. I was surrounded by the Bible in picture form, and could not even take it all in. I also saw that Pieta by Michelangelo there, and it was very moving.

However, the place in Italy I felt the closest to God was in Florence, at the Statue of David by Michelangelo. It is one thing to see it in pictures - but to see it in person is physically painfully excruciatingly overwhelming. I can't explain it, all I know is that I could not stop weeping.

As to the churches in your link that I have visited, other than St. Peters in Rome I have also been to Greek Orthodox churches in Santorini, as well as the Church of St. Andrew in Greece where it is said that St. Andrew was crucified.

I've also been to the Coliseum in Rome, and visited the Catacombs. It's very sobering to think of our brothers and sisters in Christ who were martyred there.

I've also stood on Mars Hill, the Areopagus in Greece, where St. Paul preached his great sermon to the pagans, found in Acts Chapter 17. It's an amazing experience to walk where the disciples walked.

One day I will get to Israel, and walk where Jesus walked. That is my dream.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 02, 2014 01:23 PM (P6QsQ)

30 >>>> I have driven the Swiss Alps Blaster, me too. Switzerland is so clean and all the people there look so clean too. It's postercard-esque. Yeah, I didn't fit in very well. But, I found a little tiny museum up in the mountains that had some original Picassos. That made that trip worthwhile.

Posted by: L, elle at February 02, 2014 01:24 PM (0xqKe)

31 You have had wonderful travels, grammie.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:25 PM (zDsvJ)

32 Israel is beautiful. Try the Dead Sea. You'll bob up and down there like a cork. Um, but don't have any scratches on you before you do it, or you'll definitely feel it

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 02, 2014 01:25 PM (30eLQ)

Had a peek of the Grand Canyon thru the fog one morning after a trip on part of Route 66. Need to go back for a better look.

My favorite place so far is Anegada in the BVI. But for the TSA . . .

Posted by: Infidel at February 02, 2014 01:25 PM (6bvBO)

34 I have had occasion to consider niagra falls lately, for obvious reasons. I have to say, the city surrounding niagra falls is as depressing a place as anywhere. canadian side has more going on but is equally depressing.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 02, 2014 01:25 PM (rDidD)

35 The two places I have found to be the most spiritual are empty ones. Way out in the middle of the sea especially at night.

I'm glad you reminded me. The most spiritual place I've ever been was on a sailboat underway in the Bahamas. I was steering at 0300, wing to wing, flat sea, and the spray from the boat's wake caused bioluminescence to fly outwards like jewels.

It's been 35 years, and I can see it like it just happened.

Posted by: pep at February 02, 2014 01:25 PM (6TB1Z)

36 29 at the Statue of David by Michelangelo really? I saw it and thought there he is, took a pic and went

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 01:25 PM (At8tV)

37 >>I also went to the North Rim, which I recommend highly, and went in May, before it got to hot, and before the tourist hordes arrived. It was just spectacular, and you aren't far from Zion and Bryce Canyon. You want sublime and spiritual, they'll give you all you can handle. When my sister and I were kids my parents took us on an RV trip of the western national parks. Avis (or Hertz, can't remember which one) used to rent them so we started in CA and wound our way around as many as we could squeeze in in 2 1/2 weeks. Hiked down the Grand Canyon at sunrise (big mistake) and absolutely loved Bryce and Zion. Breathtaking places. I highly recommend the RV thing. Nothing like camping out in the national parks. They are awesome.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2014 01:25 PM (g1DWB)

38 I'm having trouble transitioning from the prior thread to this one.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2014 01:26 PM (oFCZn)

39 While visiting the Vatican we took in one of the wonderful museums there. During the tour we saw Harry Hamlin getting a private tour. Damn he has a huge head for a rather short fellow.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at February 02, 2014 01:26 PM (GgPam)

40 gw, you should have been a squid free world travel

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 01:27 PM (At8tV)

41 On Little Winger's last tour, he was stationed in Kosovo, and got the opportunity to visit the little church where Mother Theresa was from. I have some icons he brought back from that trip. Very special.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 02, 2014 01:28 PM (P6QsQ)

42 >>38 I'm having trouble transitioning from the prior thread to this one. Yeah, sorry about that. I just didn't want this to go head to head with the next cheerleader thread. It would lose. And I didn't want to hold this until next weekend.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:28 PM (zDsvJ)

43 I've never traveled outside the US and most of my trips here have been for business, thus not a lot of time for sightseeing. Chicago was clean and the people were nice. NYC would have been fun if I hadn't been sick as a dog. Would like to spend more time there. I like DC. It makes an impression. I would like to spend a full week there. Las Vegas. You can have it. It might be a good hub from which to see other sights. Baltimore... eh. New Orleans... love. Yes. The French Quarter smells of urine on a hot Summer day, but it isn't always like that. And, outside of the Quarter, there's the beautiful garden district. The food is to die for. The music sublime. My one regret is that I've never been there on a date. It would be a town to get completely lost in on a romantic weekend. Thus far my trips have been with friends or on business or, once, on a week-long road trip by myself. Then, there's San Diego. I swear if it weren't attached to California I'd uproot and move there in a moment. I absolutely loved it. The climate is perfect. The folks were friendly. They even have their own entertainment district, The Gaslight, which is like the French Quarter, but clean. Everything, at least in and around downtown and the harbor, were really clean. I loved my time there. Outside the US there is only one place I crave to visit, and that's Italy. Until I accomplish the goal of visiting the ruins, any other thoughts of visiting Ireland, England, and Hong Kong are a very distant 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 02, 2014 01:28 PM (DmNpO)

44 gw, you should have been a squid
free world travel

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 05:27 PM (At8tV)

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Ha! That's one of the things my Kid likes about the Army. He's seen stuff that I never ever will.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 02, 2014 01:29 PM (P6QsQ)

45 A wide open field, away from light pollution. A clear sky. A big, honkin' telescope. Pink Floyd quietly playing in the background. It always puts me in a reflective, philosophical state.

Posted by: Yep, I'm a nerd... at February 02, 2014 01:29 PM (aTyi6)

46 One day I will get to Israel, and walk where Jesus walked. That is my dream.

My minister did a sabbatical there last summer. He has given several sermons about the jarring disconnect between the biblical idea, the reality he saw 30 years ago, and what it is now. The wall, the barbed wire, the graffiti and the trash were extremely difficult for him to process. Still, he managed to draw some very good lessons from the experience.

Posted by: pep at February 02, 2014 01:29 PM (6TB1Z)

47 The open spaces of Larimer County are awesome too. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 02, 2014 05:22 PM (30eLQ) Guess I take them for granted since I grew up there. Looking out over the great plains from the first row of foothills was cool but not impressive as an everyday thing.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 02, 2014 01:29 PM (GDulk)

Another place that's holy: walking out my door every morning and seeing the Sangre De Christos snuggling up to Pikes Peak. Deep breath and watching the eagles hunt for breakfast. Every morning.

Tango, they are beautiful, don't you see them from the east side?

Posted by: Infidel at February 02, 2014 01:29 PM (6bvBO)

49 Thanks for the more lighthearted thread Y-not. It was needed.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 02, 2014 01:29 PM (DmNpO)

50 I've been to the Old Country Busch Gardens. That place seems sacred to me.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 02, 2014 01:31 PM (6bMeY)

51 boat's wake caused bioluminescence to fly outwards like jewels. It's very rare to surface transit in a submarine but it happens occasionally. Being on the bridge at the top of the sail, There is zero man made light. The trail behind you goes on seemingly forever and the stars from horizon to horizon would make cac cry.

Posted by: traye at February 02, 2014 01:31 PM (iL9QP)

52 >>I like DC. It makes an impression. I would like to spend a full week there. Yeah, it's a shame that it's a big leech on the rest of the country's backside, because it really has some nice qualities. Growing up nearby was wonderful. Spoiled me for any other museums (in the US) though.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:31 PM (zDsvJ)

53 canadian side has more going on but is equally depressing.

Mein Freund was there about four years ago, and his photos make it look like Vegas (which I think I would also find depressing).

I was there in 2002, after dark on American Thanksgiving; unseasonably warm and we had the whole place pretty much to ourselves--couple of middle-aged people walking dogs--since it was a normal weeknight for locals and no tourists. That was neat.

Posted by: HR at February 02, 2014 01:31 PM (hO8IJ)

54 One day I will get to Israel, and walk where Jesus walked. That is my dream. Posted by: grammie winger at February 02, 2014 05:23 PM (P6QsQ) Israel is indeed awesome and well worth the money/time. I'd love to take the kids there on an actual tour since John and I saw only very little of the "standard" tourist stuff.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 02, 2014 01:31 PM (GDulk)

55 I am amazed at the number of places I've been looking back on it. Most when I was in the Army.

Posted by: blaster at February 02, 2014 01:32 PM (4+AaH)

56 Just about any Montessori School.

Posted by: Harry Reid at February 02, 2014 01:32 PM (bOwR8)

57 Cape Breton Highlands National Park Cliffs of Moher

Posted by: MikeH at February 02, 2014 01:32 PM (bRL1M)

58 One day I will get to Israel, and walk where Jesus walked. That is my dream. *** How in the world did I forget to list Israel? Israel. Of course.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 02, 2014 01:33 PM (DmNpO)

59 I went on a religious pilgrimage to Israel some years ago and would gladly go again. Must-sees: In Jerusalem, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the Western Wall (Kotel), the Garden of Gethsemane, the Mount of Olives, and the Church of All Nations, the Via Dolorosa, and the Church of St. Anne (built by the Crusaders). Other spiritual sites: Qumran (where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found); Masada; Jericho; and St. Catherine's Monastery at the foot of Mount Sinai.

I'd second Y-not about the beauty of the American Southwest-- I'd add Canyon de Chelly, Mesa Verde, and Chimayo (a healing shrine in New Mexico).

I've been to Gettysburg several times because I grew up about two hours' drive from the battlefield. If you visit Pennsylvania, don't forget Valley Forge. Further south, the battlefield of Yorktown is also worth a visit.

Posted by: Basement Cat at February 02, 2014 01:33 PM (53cD3)

60 One day I will get to Israel, and walk where Jesus walked. That is my dream. Posted by: grammie winger at February 02, 2014 05:23 PM (P6QsQ) walks not walked

Posted by: MikeH at February 02, 2014 01:33 PM (bRL1M)

61 That photo of St. Paul's.... WOW!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 02, 2014 01:33 PM (DmNpO)

62 40 gw, you should have been a squid free world travel Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 05:27 PM (At8tV) Or get into the oilfield. I've been all over the world. And it pays much better than the Army ever did... However, nobody drills for oil in cultural centers.

Posted by: Yep, I'm a nerd... at February 02, 2014 01:33 PM (aTyi6)

63 Driving thru Monument Valley as always tugged at my heartstrings.

Posted by: Infidel at February 02, 2014 01:34 PM (6bvBO)

64 Grammie, I too would love to see Israel and walk where Christ walked. I have an app for a tour of the western wall and my littlest grand babies ages 3 and 4 will just stop playing games and turn the tour on and watch amazing thru no coaching how they are drawn to this. I have hope for future generations when I see how they are drawn to this.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at February 02, 2014 01:34 PM (GKF3X)

65 I've been to Gettysburg several times because I grew up about two hours' drive from the battlefield. If you visit Pennsylvania, don't forget Valley Forge. Further south, the battlefield of Yorktown is also worth a visit *** Gettysburg will take your breath away. The scope of it all really hits you.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 02, 2014 01:34 PM (DmNpO)

66 63 Is that the one with those three big rock formations that Microsoft uses for wallpaper?

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 02, 2014 01:35 PM (6bMeY)

67 gw, you should have been a squid free world travel -- Or become a scientist! I never expected to do much traveling when I was a kid. My family didn't have that kind of dough and it just didn't seem to be in the cards. But when I was doing the science thing I had the chance to do a lot of travel. Really wonderful, especially since I usually had a local host in whatever country or city I visited.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:36 PM (zDsvJ)

68 Rome, so much to experience, never gets old. Florence, Cathedral of Santa Croce, Old Town and The David, of course. Venice, a place out of time. Luxembourg. Yes, all of it, it's small. It's historical importance is overlooked by modern educators. There are over 300 monuments to Allied WWII veterans there. Gen. Patton is buried there, with thousands of his fellows. The most beautifully manicured country I've ever visited. Upon seeing it, one wag remarked, "This isn't a country, it's a country club." The back country in the Rockies near my home.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 02, 2014 01:36 PM (1Y+hH)

69 Gettysburg will take your breath away. The scope of it all really hits you. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 02, 2014 05:34 PM (DmNpO) It's awe-inspiring to stare across the field where Pickett's charge took place.

Posted by: MikeH at February 02, 2014 01:36 PM (bRL1M)

70 But when I was doing the science thing I had the chance to do a lot of travel.

Used to be true, but not so much for us Fed scientist types now. Yea, yea, we're all worthless parasites.

Posted by: pep at February 02, 2014 01:37 PM (6TB1Z)

71 Pretty much anywhere and anytime I see the sunrise with a Fly Rod or a Gun in my hand.

Posted by: garrett at February 02, 2014 01:37 PM (bOwR8)

I saw the sun set with the "green flash" one time. It was amazing. Not sure how to explain, but it was awe inspiring.

I would love to go to Israel.

Posted by: Infidel at February 02, 2014 01:37 PM (6bvBO)

73 Venice, a place out of time.

Agree with this. You know that it's really just a recreated theme park, but it's still spectacular. Don't miss the Murano Glassworks either, but bring your wallet.

Posted by: pep at February 02, 2014 01:38 PM (6TB1Z)

74 Grammie,
I too would love to see Israel and walk where Christ walked. I have an app for a tour of the western wall and my littlest grand babies ages 3 and 4 will just stop playing games and turn the tour on and watch amazing thru no coaching how they are drawn to this. I have hope for future generations when I see how they are drawn to this.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at February 02, 2014 05:34 PM (GKF3X)

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I have wee grandbabies too! What is the name of that app? I'd like to try it - they are just at that age when the Bible stories are starting to click in their heads.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 02, 2014 01:38 PM (P6QsQ)

75 >>Used to be true, but not so much for us Fed scientist types now. Yea, yea, we're all worthless parasites. Can't you still go give talks, visit collaborators, etc?

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:38 PM (zDsvJ)

76 I saw the sun set with the "green flash" one time.

The wife and I have been to HI 3 times and never seen it. You're lucky.

Posted by: pep at February 02, 2014 01:39 PM (6TB1Z)

77 No matter how long it's been since I lived there, no matter how silly the people there can be, I still miss the views of the SF Bay Area so much.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 02, 2014 01:39 PM (SUKHu)

78 73 That place has been known for glass for over 2000 years.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 02, 2014 01:40 PM (6bMeY)

79 Can't you still go give talks, visit collaborators, etc?

Nope. I haven't been to a conference in almost 2 years.

Posted by: pep at February 02, 2014 01:40 PM (6TB1Z)

80 Jerusalem, the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River are what I remember the most. Want to go back and visit Tel Aviv as well. Need to spend more time in the old city of Jerusalem.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at February 02, 2014 01:40 PM (Qp3K5)

81 I went to Mt. St. Helens in 2008. It is an amazing example of the creation-destruction loop which has made our planet. Some predicted it would take many decades for nature to begin to reclaim the volcanic wasteland. But there is a beautiful stream, significant tree and plant growth, all within sight of the growing new cinder cone in the background. At the closest point for viewing the mountain one can turn around and see flattened old trees for a couple miles. That's a "small" volcano.

Posted by: Beagle at February 02, 2014 01:41 PM (sOtz/)

82 There are caves outside of Datong in China which have Buddhas dating back over 1800 years. This is supposed to be one of the important sites of Buddhism, but it did nothing for me. I comprehend Buddhism, but it holds no attraction for me. I have visited Notre Dame cathdral in Paris several times, and it seems very......old. The years weigh heavily on it. But thinking about it, it a thousand years newer than the oldest Buddha caves in China that I saw. There is a place in Kansas off of I-70 that I think was called the Cathedral of the Prairie. It was very austere and simple, but it seemed like a very Godly place under that big sky, out on the prairie like that.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 02, 2014 01:41 PM (+1T7c)

83 The best place I have ever been in Australia. It is the only place I have ever been outside of the country where I felt like they actually liked Americans.

I would like to go to England and Scotland. In England I would lie to tour Westminster Abbey.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 02, 2014 01:42 PM (T2V/1)

84 Grammie, The app is The Western Wall 3D it's a talking tour of the areas surrounding and the wall.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at February 02, 2014 01:42 PM (GKF3X)

85 I gotta say, these 3D virtual tours that are available for so many of the world's great landmarks are really wonderful. What a resource.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:42 PM (zDsvJ)

86 Boss Moss, not sure but probably. The pictures don't do it justice. I've pulled over many times and just gawked.

Posted by: Infidel at February 02, 2014 01:43 PM (6bvBO)

87 48 Another place that's holy: walking out my door every morning and seeing the Sangre De Christos snuggling up to Pikes Peak. Deep breath and watching the eagles hunt for breakfast. Every morning.

Tango, they are beautiful, don't you see them from the east side?

Posted by: Infidel at February 02, 2014 05:29 PM (6bvBO)

yeah, the "eastern range" is face first, but we have a view that encompasses the sangre de christo range.

It's mind blowing. Every morning I take my critter out for the walk, and no matter the weather, it's just simply amazing. Never get tired of it.

Posted by: tangonine at February 02, 2014 01:43 PM (x3YFz)

88 I saw it and thought there he is, took a pic and went Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 05:25 PM (At8tV) Different things can strike us differently. I was studious but not overwhelmed by The David. Coming upon the tomb of Michelangelo without preparation just about took me to my knees. Walking another 15 feet and seeing the tomb of Galileo just about finished me off.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 02, 2014 01:43 PM (1Y+hH)

89 @84 Fourth Horseman Thank you !

Posted by: grammie winger at February 02, 2014 01:44 PM (P6QsQ)

90 Camping in Yosemite. Get up early in the morning and hike up to Half Dome. Get back down by the last shuttle bus.

Not recommended if you're not in good shape.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 02, 2014 01:44 PM (wSrLR)

91 I've seen the Sistine Chapel, and it was amazing. I had to block out all of the other people - even though it was extremely quiet, so it wasn't hard to do, and you felt an uplift of spirit. But, also, the art... But, the place that made me feel so out of body for so very long was Machu Picchu. The feeling of those that were before us, mankind's struggles, worship, and beauty, all wrapped up in one. It was breathtaking and filled me with awe for a very long time afterwards.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 02, 2014 01:44 PM (IXrOn)

92 Different things can strike us differently. I was studious but not overwhelmed by The David. Coming upon the tomb of Michelangelo without preparation just about took me to my knees. -- That's so true. I was strangely moved by John Paul Jones' crypt for some weird reason. That USNA chapel is quite lovely, btw. Very nice tours at the Naval Academy.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:45 PM (zDsvJ)

93 Busch Gardens also has a glass works nearby.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 02, 2014 01:46 PM (6bMeY)

94 I didn't know Joe Namath was so short.

Posted by: monkey at February 02, 2014 01:46 PM (3MNCs)

95 Joe Namath used to be taller, but all that knee cartilage is gone now.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 02, 2014 01:47 PM (V70Uh)

96 I've been to Busch Gardens (the original one, I think, in Virginia) on a school trip. IIRC, there was some horrifying rock concert involved. Molly Hatchet?

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:48 PM (zDsvJ)

97 The statue of Christ in Rio is pretty spectacular. Enormous statue on the top of the mountain with a view our over the city. There's a beautiful little chapel beneath the statue. The Catholic Church has always been a very big part of the Brazilian culture and crowds of all ages flock to the spot.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2014 01:49 PM (g1DWB)

98 When I visited London back in '92, I went to St. Pauls one day. Took me a while to get to it, with those damn twisty streets. Funny thing is, I got inside, started walking in, and then looked up.

I literally had to sit down. It just hit me. I had never seen anything like that before.

Other thing on that London trip. I walked into the British Museum, and I think the first object I spotted was the Rosetta Stone. Just right there on display, with a sign asking not to touch it.

OMG did I want to touch it, but figured I'd probably set off some sort of alarm so I didn't.

And I grew up in the desert, so I can understand what you are saying. Read a quote once, where it said "The Forest soothes your mind. The Desert shakes it", or something to that effect.

Posted by: HH at February 02, 2014 01:49 PM (XXwdv)

99 Closer to home, I feel a great sense of God's presence when we are at our very isolated cabin in the north woods of the Upper Peninsula. Something about being cut off from all communications, out in the woods on the lake, at night under a sky that is exuberantly showing off all it's stars and constellations. Next to my dog. It feels the way things are supposed to feel. Pure.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 02, 2014 01:49 PM (P6QsQ)

100 Sounds like we could almost get a moron horde together for a trip to Israel.

Posted by: Infidel at February 02, 2014 01:49 PM (6bvBO)

101 However, the place in Italy I felt the closest to God was in Florence, at the Statue of David by Michelangelo. It is one thing to see it in pictures - but to see it in person is physically painfully excruciatingly overwhelming. I can't explain it, all I know is that I could not stop weeping. I agree. Seeing David in person is so overwhelming. For me, it wasn't as much God like, but a true appreciation for the artist - the only reason I went to Florence - was to see David. His hands, as broadly noted, were sculpted hugely out of scale. It was weird to see the disproportions of the statue as we've read about them. It was so hard to leave the sculpture. So incredibly hard.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 02, 2014 01:49 PM (IXrOn)

102 Here's how I see Pike's Peak (top photo). Taken some years ago.

The camera just doesn't capture the peace that comes with seeing that mountain.

Now, caveat: I've been on all sides of that mountain for most of my life. In uniform, or under a hat on a horse running cattle, fixing fence, talking to my horse... so it's a little special to me. Picture doesn't capture that part.

http://greyttimes.com/?p=572

Posted by: tangonine at February 02, 2014 01:49 PM (x3YFz)

103 97 Max Hardcore did a scene from a helicopter while circling that.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 02, 2014 01:50 PM (6bMeY)

104 The Sangre De Christos might be the most dramatic string of peaks in Colorado. The red hue on the snowcaps is something to see.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 02, 2014 01:51 PM (1Y+hH)

105 My grandmother took a train trip across Canada some while back and was awestruck by the beauty of the Canadian Rockies. Canadians on this thread: please add your favorite spiritual/beautiful places. I don't know Canada as well as I'd like; visited Winnipeg for my cousin's wedding a few years ago but didn't have time to see more of the prairie provinces, let alone the eastern half of Canada.

Posted by: Basement Cat at February 02, 2014 01:51 PM (53cD3)

106 My deodorant doesn't have any scenic pictures on it.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 02, 2014 01:51 PM (6bMeY)

107 Joe Namath is in a big fur pimp coat.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:51 PM (zDsvJ)

108 Is it true that Michaelangelo failed to circumcise David?

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 02, 2014 01:51 PM (V70Uh)

109 My family spent every summer in Cape Breton when I was a child. Beautiful place but sone sad memories. I like visiting the old churches in England as well as scenic views in Yorkshire and Cornwall and the top of Scotland. It's not a distant place-but a place I love a- retreat center in the Adirondacks as well as in NJ-a 200 year old farmhouse made into a retreat center surrounded by fields. When you go on you can feel the prayer and silence that has permeated those places. I also feel that way about several Quaker meeting houses I have been in in PA and NJ.

Posted by: Fenelon Spoke at February 02, 2014 01:52 PM (7kkQJ)

110 West coast of Ireland, watching the sun set on the Atlantic.

Posted by: seamrog at February 02, 2014 01:52 PM (KNd77)

111 104 The Sangre De Christos might be the most dramatic string of peaks in Colorado.

The red hue on the snowcaps is something to see.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 02, 2014 05:51 PM (1Y+hH)

There's a scenic overlook on the drive to Cripple Creek.

You step out of the car and immediately feel very, very small.

Posted by: tangonine at February 02, 2014 01:52 PM (x3YFz)

112 Posted by: Infidel at February 02, 2014 05:49 PM (6bvBO) Eldest Kidlet thinks that is an awesome idea. I agree.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 02, 2014 01:52 PM (GDulk)

113 O/T, Fox pre-game having a reading of the Declaration of Independence.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:52 PM (zDsvJ)

114 Declaration of Independence on fox now.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 02, 2014 01:52 PM (LI48c)

115 Busch Gardens also has a glass works nearby.

If you're referring to the beer hall, they serve it in plastic cups. Or at least they did when I was in college and it opened.

Posted by: pep at February 02, 2014 01:53 PM (6TB1Z)

116 I like the preamble.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 02, 2014 01:53 PM (P6QsQ)

117 I'd like to go to the National Archives and see the Declaration of Independence.

Posted by: monkey at February 02, 2014 01:53 PM (3MNCs)

118 Isn't there a line in "Seven Pillars of Wisdom" about Desert-loving Englishman in search of God?

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 02, 2014 01:53 PM (V70Uh)

119 It's a tax.

Posted by: John Roberts at February 02, 2014 01:53 PM (6bMeY)

120 Hah... I was going to say the Saudi desert? But the whole middle east sucks. All of it.

Posted by: tangonine at February 02, 2014 01:54 PM (x3YFz)

121 Alter or abolish it

Posted by: grammie winger at February 02, 2014 01:54 PM (P6QsQ)

122 I would punch Martin sheen right in his lefty throat. Not fit to share the screen with those who wear a uniform.

Posted by: traye at February 02, 2014 01:54 PM (iL9QP)

123 Lovely photos. Southern Utah is amazing (shhh! Don't tell anyone!).

My favorite cities, so far, if I could live part of the time in any of them (not in order):
1) Quebec City---I loved this city
2) Brugge, Belgium--total surprise on how much I loved this as well
3) Edinburgh- would move there in a heartbeat (so, maybe #1)
4) London
5) Paris, sometimes, depending on mood
6) Jackson Hole, Wy
7) Bozeman, Montana's Big Sky Resort in winter

Charleston, SC

This spring we are going from Paris to Colmar, France, then on to Austria: Saltzburg and Vienna. If any of you know of good hotels in Saltzburg or Vienna I'd appreciate a few names, as we have never been there before. Also restaurants. Apparently, per son, this is a wine/beer trip by train. I just go along for the ride and views and hope for the best! We are flying into Paris and out of Vienna to USA. Thanks.

I look forward to Ireland next year, as I totally prefer English-speaking countries, as I am pretty jittery in Europe, but it could be the caffeine and mass quantities of chocolates.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky survived 2014 Polar Vortex at February 02, 2014 01:54 PM (baL2B)

124 Throw off such government

Posted by: grammie winger at February 02, 2014 01:54 PM (P6QsQ)

125 Y-Not, great post. Love it.

Posted by: ace at February 02, 2014 01:55 PM (/FnUH)

126 Someone should bind Piers Morgan to a chair and make him listen to this 24/7.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:55 PM (zDsvJ)

127 "I was strangely moved by John Paul Jones' crypt..." I was there shortly after his internment and felt tha same. People were throwing single roses on the cover stone. Attendants would slowly pick them up, not clearing them but not letting them build up either.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 02, 2014 01:55 PM (1Y+hH)

128 "I think this is a primal urge that humans have Â– to find meaning and purpose for our lives beyond those that we share as animals (eating, drinking, reproducing, surviving). ItÂ’s a central part of who we are and one that I think itÂ’s important to nourish. Travel can be a great way to do that."

The way I found meaning and purpose for my life was to travel to squalid Third World hellholes and witness just how low humanity can go.

My first reaction was charitable. Gee, we should try to fix this.

My second reaction, later, was oh crap, these places are unfixable. Their problems are ultimately because of inherent cultural issues that the locals refuse to recognize or remedy.

My third reaction was, well, if I can't help fix these places, at least I can help make sure that my own country remains a shining city on a hill by comparison, a First World oasis of comparative honesty and competence.

And now my fourth and final reaction is grim resignation as I watch my own country being turned into a corrupt, inept Third World sewer via a tidal wave of Third World mass immigration. _Camp Of The Saints_, anyone?

Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2014 01:55 PM (gqT4g)

129 Thx ace.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 01:55 PM (zDsvJ)

130 I would punch Martin sheen right in his lefty throat. Not fit to share the screen with those who wear a uniform.

--

I was screaming at the TV saying the same thing. Only I wasn't so nice.

Posted by: Lady in Black at February 02, 2014 01:56 PM (Oa7B2)

131 Wow, I keep getting flashbacks from all of these reminiscences. Omaha Beach, surprisingly, is a very spiritual place. I was there 1.5 years ago, and it was simply stunning. It's one of the most beautiful beaches I've ever seen, and yet, the disconnect between that beauty and what happened there is just disorienting.

Posted by: pep at February 02, 2014 01:56 PM (6TB1Z)

132 115 No, I mean fairly close to Williamsburg they have a glass works. It used to be wonderful, but that was a long time ago. I don't know what its like now. I drank beer at Oktoberfest at about 7 years old. My Dad handed it to me as a joke and I chugged it.

Posted by: John Roberts at February 02, 2014 01:57 PM (6bMeY)

133 O/T, Fox pre-game having a reading of the Declaration of Independence.

Fuck. I turned it on, and there's Mooch and "Dr" Jill.

Posted by: HR at February 02, 2014 01:57 PM (hO8IJ)

134 And of course, the Mooch. Feeling every word she's saying.

Posted by: Lady in Black at February 02, 2014 01:57 PM (Oa7B2)

135 Pep. When my children are old enough to understand history and sacrifice, I want to take them to Normandy.

Posted by: traye at February 02, 2014 01:58 PM (iL9QP)

136

pep, it was in the BVI on a Wind Jammer Cruise. The crew had never seen it either. Right place, right time.

Mt. St Helen's. Was living in a little single wide trailer in Bellingham at the time. Pregnant with little infidel but didn't know it. Was . . . um, weird. I heard it go off, we had plenty of warning, luckily, we did'nt get as much ash as the rest of the planet. Driving by a few months later was devistating.

Thanks, Y-not, I have forgotten about how much I have seen and how lucky I am!!!

Posted by: Infidel at February 02, 2014 01:58 PM (6bvBO)

137 Very nice post, Y-Not. Thanks so much.

Posted by: Fenelon Spoke at February 02, 2014 01:58 PM (7kkQJ)

138 No, I mean fairly close to Williamsburg they have a glass works.

You probably mean the Pottery Factory.

Posted by: pep at February 02, 2014 01:58 PM (6TB1Z)

139 Off damned war criminal sock.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 02, 2014 01:58 PM (6bMeY)

140 My two year old just grabbed the remote and turned off mooch. Good boy.

Posted by: traye at February 02, 2014 01:58 PM (iL9QP)

141

Westminster Abbey amazed me...they have this concrete floor that is uneven with the names of people buried there. I couldn't get over standing right where Sir Issac Newton's name was painted on the floor..

Posted by: Puncher at February 02, 2014 01:59 PM (LhAqq)

142

I was so excited to see Michelle Obama on the TV. She looked so beautiful along with some white woman named Biden...

Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at February 02, 2014 01:59 PM (d82hv)

143 138 Yes. That's what it is called. My Mom and sisters came back from there with the coolest stuff I have ever seen.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 02, 2014 01:59 PM (6bMeY)

144 Grand Canyon is just breathtaking. I have been there twice. As you are standing there you just have to keep telling yourself it's real. The first time we went, my daughter and I saw a double rainbow coming out of the canyon right in front of us. Needless to say, about a thousand cameras started clicking away and there was a plethora of languages.. german, japanese, all talking excidedly about what they just witnessed.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at February 02, 2014 02:00 PM (/IQip)

145 If you ever get the chance, book a tour of Kartchener Caverns in Arizona. It is truly magnificent. Like an underground cathedral.

Posted by: no good deed at February 02, 2014 02:00 PM (vBhbc)

146 141 Westminster Abbey amazed me...they have this concrete floor that is uneven with the names of people buried there. I couldn't get over standing right where Sir Issac Newton's name was painted on the floor ================= That would be amazing. I'd love to go there too.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 02, 2014 02:00 PM (P6QsQ)

147 I liked visiting Colonial Williamsburg as a kid. Haven't been in years and years. My sister honeymooned there... 30 years ago! You may recall that we were married in a double wedding. Mr Y-not and I were broke, right out of college. So we honeymooned in East Baltimore. "Cruised" the harbor and saw the McCormick Spice Plant. Tres elegante!

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 02:01 PM (zDsvJ)

148 Are they going to read the D of I when the London Jaguars play in the super bowl?

Posted by: monkey at February 02, 2014 02:01 PM (3MNCs)

149 Another desert fan here. I have the dumb luck to be part of an old far West Texas ranching family. I grew up and live in San Antonio, but the ranch in the Big Bend country has those same attributes of open space, rugged terrain, interesting geology, great light, Indian rock art, crazy storms, and weird flora and fauna. That's always been my spiritual place. The Spanish missions here in town that I mentioned last week also always put me in a thoughtful mood. The ancient churches are active parishes, and an old acequia and aqueduct still water the fields.

Posted by: stace at February 02, 2014 02:01 PM (9PXzx)

150 There is a route from New Mexico up to Colorado that follows the Utah border. I wish I knew which one, but it is one of the prettiest drives I have ever been on.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at February 02, 2014 02:02 PM (/IQip)

151 Needless to say, about a thousand cameras started clicking away and there was a plethora of languages.. german, japanese, all talking excidedly about what they just witnessed.

As we were hiking towards the lip, a young woman came the other direction, muttering "magnifique, magnifique". I don't know if she was French or Canadian, but I walked a little taller.

Posted by: pep at February 02, 2014 02:02 PM (6TB1Z)

152 Well, it was good until the two scrunts in the end spoke...

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 02, 2014 02:02 PM (jNNPU)

153 111 To speak of feeling small....late at night, driving back to Alice Springs from Ayers Rock. Middle of literal no-where. Absolute darkness. Pulled the car over (to the wrong side of the road...) turned off the engine. No moon. Sky was full of stars from horizon to horizon. Never seen anything the equal, but hope to someday. What I felt, was small. And full of wonder.

I imagine being on the ocean might be similar?

Posted by: DishofRed at February 02, 2014 02:02 PM (Dmq63)

154 Just read that Philip Seymour Hoffman died with Ace Of Spades heroin.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 02, 2014 02:03 PM (b6koZ)

155

@Posted by: HH at February 02, 2014 05:49 PM (XXwdv)

Both St. Paul's and Westminster Abbey are my favorite cathedrals. I got some books on both last summer and have been reading of their beginnings. The first time I went to London I felt at home, a sense of deja vu hippie dippy weirdness. It was spring, with daffodils in window boxes and green everywhere you looked. I then came home to our green farm in Mississippi, noted same flowers and lushness, with redbud and dogwood trees in bloom and the same hills, but less dramatic and glorious, and thought: THIS is why my ancestors settled here and in the Carolinas. duh. I could live in London and never see enough. I hope to someday return to Scotland and see more than Edinburgh and Sterling, but if I don't I will die happy (also saw Claude Monet's home in Giverny, France a decade ago. I don't have a "bucket list" but that would have been in the top ten). xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky survived 2014 Polar Vortex at February 02, 2014 02:03 PM (baL2B)

156 Your feelings about Stonehenge would probably be greatly affected by the number of tourists there at the time. If there are bus-loads (often), then it's like being in a very popular park. The crowd is so overwhelming that it's quite impossible to get your psyche into a place where you can appreciate the place. I have been there in cold winter months when there was essentially no one there, and gray lowering clouds. In that circumstance, it's a very different experience. There are, of course, any number of other henges around to be visited.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 02, 2014 02:03 PM (aDwsi)

157 BBL, gotta go feed the man before the game starts.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 02:03 PM (zDsvJ)

158 Stace... a man/woman (?) after my own heart. I love, love the desert!! Hoping to go back to AZ this summer. If any of you ever go, please stay in a little town called Fountain Hills, right out of Scottsdale. Plenty of condos to rent. Surrounded by mountains and a drive into the desert is only 5 minutes away. We spent almost every evening out there last year watching the sun go down and listening to the coyotes.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at February 02, 2014 02:04 PM (/IQip)

159 If any of you know of good hotels in Saltzburg or Vienna I'd appreciate a few names, as we have never been there before.

If you're going to the Museums Quarter or the Opera in Vienna, Le Meridien was very nice.

Posted by: HR at February 02, 2014 02:04 PM (hO8IJ)

160 I have been thinking of all the places I have been and trying to remember the strongest spiritual connection. You want desert? Zion and Bryce Canyon. You want mountains? The road from Yosemite Valley to Tioga Pass or I-80 between Auburn and Truckee or I-70 between Rifle and Boulder.

"It's a wonderful world."

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 02, 2014 02:04 PM (V70Uh)

161 We happened in at the end of a long, hot day of walking all over town. Inside was cool and peaceful... and then the choir began to sing!

That happened to me at Winchester Cathedral. We went just after lunch time and there were boys choirs practicing for a massed choir event scheduled for a few weeks away. As they practiced, we wandered around seeing what there was to see, guide leaflet in hand. Since it was the first English cathedral I'd been in I spent probably three hours looking and reading, and listening to these separate choirs merge into one. That sound, in that space, gave me a visceral feeling of spirituality that is hard to put into words, but I can still call up the feeling. IMO, God can be found and felt in many places, but for formal worship, that men built such a place and wrote hymns of praise to be turned into such a sound as is done by the piping voices of boys is an incredibly moving to experience.

On the same trip, I saw Stonehenge when you could still walk among and touch the stones. Few people were around and it was late afternoon of an autumn day. It was very striking, not perhaps as spiritual as the cathedral, more a communing with nature sort of feeling, but striking nonetheless.

Great thread, Y-not. Thanks.

File this in Odd Bit of Timing: I sat down to find this post just after my oldest friend left after an unexpected 'stop in because I was in the neighborhood' visit. Her English mother is why I grew up wanting to visit Old Blighty.

Posted by: Retread at February 02, 2014 02:04 PM (cHwk5)

162 I liked visiting Colonial Williamsburg as a kid. Haven't been in years and years. My sister honeymooned there... 30 years ago!

I was at William and Mary one summer, with the object of all my desires, late at night after we'd both gotten off our lousy waiting jobs, and we went walking down Dog Street to Bruton Parish. At that time, the cemetery behind it was wide open. Suffice it to say that it was indeed a magical night. It's now gated and locked, I like to think because of us.

Posted by: pep at February 02, 2014 02:05 PM (6TB1Z)

163 Free Super Bowl: http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsportsgo/ Free.

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at February 02, 2014 02:05 PM (Z1/Hr)

164 Dish of Red..that sounds amazing!!

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at February 02, 2014 02:06 PM (/IQip)

165 Port visit to Aqaba, Jordan. My choices were: stay on the boat, go to some hotel on the beach, or go to Petra. Petra is pretty damn cool. Wouldn't go there on purpose, or if I had to pay for it, but it was a fun afternoon away from the boat.

Also, I saw Israel, although I didn't get there. Kinda like Moses. But I intend to go someday.

Posted by: Bomber at February 02, 2014 02:06 PM (G8OL9)

166 I imagine being on the ocean might be similar? Posted by: DishofRed That is how I always described it. Any direction you look, there is more than a thousand miles of nothing except more ocean, below you, thousands of feet of ocean. Add in the stars at night, then you really understand your place in the universe.

Posted by: traye at February 02, 2014 02:07 PM (iL9QP)

167 13 I have not been to the Grand Canyon yet but absolutely will. Mr Y-not has been to the North Rim and a lot of the Four Corners region (doing radiation surveys as an intern thru Oakridge). Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 05:16 PM (zDsvJ) While you're in the area, check out meteor crater...and imagine what it would be like to witness a locomotive-sized hunk of iron blast out 400 million tons of rock in an instant.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 02, 2014 02:07 PM (LIQGY)

168 "What places are on your bucket list? Where do you go to find peace and inspiration? " I'm weird. I don't want to go anywhere. I can see as much of the world as I like from my internet connection.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 02, 2014 02:07 PM (bb5+k)

169 Took my kids on a battlefield tour vacation between d.c, and North Carolina . We went inside the building at Gettysburg to watch the movie and look at the map,of the battle. Went outside and took in the majesty of place and seemingly out of nowhere a reenactment began. It was amazing and completely unexpected. My two sons now live and work in D.C. And no matter how many times we have visited the area, there is always something to see or revisit. The Jefferson Memorial is one of my favorite places for quiet contemplation. Take the path around the tidal basin which is usually pretty quiet and then enjoy the peacefulness of the memorial with its time honored words inscribed on the walls.

Posted by: Sharon at February 02, 2014 02:07 PM (4OHj3)

170 The Ellis Island tour got to me. I knew every one of my immigrant ancestors had passed through there.

Posted by: Epobirs at February 02, 2014 02:07 PM (bPxS6)

171 Actually Dish.. you can the same experience driving thru Kansas at night. Sky goes on forever. Alot of people think Kansas is boring. It is, but it isn't. You know?

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at February 02, 2014 02:07 PM (/IQip)

172 147 I liked visiting Colonial Williamsburg as a kid. Haven't been in years and years. My sister honeymooned there... 30 years ago!

You may recall that we were married in a double wedding. Mr Y-not and I were broke, right out of college. So we honeymooned in East Baltimore. "Cruised" the harbor and saw the McCormick Spice Plant. Tres elegante!

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 06:01 PM (zDsvJ)

I hope to go to Williamsburg sometime when husband is in DC on bidness. Also Mount Vernon, again, as haven't been there since I was a kid. We did go to Monticello a couple of years ago...an amazing place. Possibly the most beautiful grounds I have seen. I have a book, "Founding Gardeners" by Andrea Wulf which I ordered after the visit and am slowly reading about Jefferson's and Washington's gardens----which, I guess, I should have mentioned in your link yesterday! Thomas Jefferson is responsible for many of the plants in the USA today. Lots of hippie seed swapping across the big pond back then!

Posted by: ChristyBlinky survived 2014 Polar Vortex at February 02, 2014 02:07 PM (baL2B)

173 154 Just read that Philip Seymour Hoffman died with Ace Of Spades heroin. Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at February 02, 2014 06:03 PM (b6koZ) Yeah, that shit will kill you.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 02, 2014 02:08 PM (bb5+k)

174 The Cathedral at Salisbury. Well worth the visit. I took Communion at Evensong there once. Considering the age of the place, and the number of people who have partaken in services there, it is a humbling experience. Well worth the read, btw, 'Sarum' (latterly titled Sarum: The Novel of England) is a work of historical fiction by Edward Rutherfurd. Particular attention is paid to the centuries-long construction of the Cathedral.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 02, 2014 02:08 PM (aDwsi)

175

Pollywogette, how about next year? I have a wedding to pay for this year.

I miss traveling.

Posted by: Infidel at February 02, 2014 02:09 PM (6bvBO)

176 >>> Alot of people think Kansas is boring. It is, but it isn't. You know?

Of all the places I've lived, Kansas is my favorite.

Posted by: Bomber at February 02, 2014 02:09 PM (G8OL9)

177 >>I imagine being on the ocean might be similar? One of favorite things about being offshore, the stars on a clear, dark night. Hard to describe how beautiful it is and how many you can see.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2014 02:09 PM (g1DWB)

178 you should have been a squid free world travel Posted by: navycopjoe Getting your own plane is the way to go!

Posted by: Mooch-L at February 02, 2014 02:09 PM (FcR7P)

179 Of all the places I've lived, Kansas is my favorite.

Kansas can suck it.

Posted by: Toto at February 02, 2014 02:09 PM (6TB1Z)

180 Kudos Ynot.. great thread. And an especially sweet end and tribute to Joffen.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at February 02, 2014 02:09 PM (/IQip)

181 171 I agree! We live in WV, drove to Colorado. Always wanted to take I70 across the country, and always wanted to see Kansas! I was expecting flat and boring, but it really was beautiful. And not flat at all! I was expecting the color version of the Wizard of Oz

Posted by: DishofRed at February 02, 2014 02:10 PM (Dmq63)

182 Had fun once with a buddy, we went to a tin-roofed tiny version of the Coliseum, chickenwire outer walls, in some small seaside town in the Dominican Republic, to attend the cockfights. On the way there, our cab was behind a motor scooter, a guy with his woman on the back, a five-foot fish in her lap, head sticking out one side, big tail the other. Dinner. Sweet people. Neither buddy nor I had any Spanish, but that did not stop us from yukking it up with all the people that crammed the cockfight arena, drinking beer and betting on chickens.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at February 02, 2014 02:11 PM (tmFlQ)

183 179 Of all the places I've lived, Kansas is my favorite. Kansas can suck it. Posted by: Toto at February 02, 2014 06:09 PM (6TB1Z) You should see us live, we have Steve Morse playing with us, now

Posted by: Kansas at February 02, 2014 02:11 PM (bRL1M)

184 I think they should have let Michelle Obama sing the national anthem because she represents all of us Americans.

Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at February 02, 2014 02:12 PM (d82hv)

185 Neither buddy nor I had any Spanish, but that did not stop us from yukking it up with all the people that crammed the cockfight arena, drinking beer and betting on chickens.

Yeah, like I don't have enough problems.

Posted by: The Chicken at February 02, 2014 02:12 PM (6TB1Z)

186 I'm weird. I don't want to go anywhere. I can see as much of the world as I like from my internet connection. It seems like it, sure, but being there is different.

Posted by: t-bird at February 02, 2014 02:12 PM (FcR7P)

187 All of my favorite places are on the western slope in CO. Beautiful mountains, streams and rivers.

Posted by: Ronster at February 02, 2014 02:12 PM (puNd6)

188 141
Westminster Abbey amazed me...they have this concrete floor that is uneven with the names of people buried there. I couldn't get over standing right where Sir Issac Newton's name was painted on the floor..

Posted by: Puncher at February 02, 2014 05:59 PM (LhAqq)

Yes. An amazing and holy place. I will always go back when in London.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky survived 2014 Polar Vortex at February 02, 2014 02:12 PM (baL2B)

189 gw, you should have been a squid
free world travel
Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 05:27 PM (At8tV

I'm waiting for navycopjoe to offer free tours of Wrigley Field.

Posted by: Basement Cat at February 02, 2014 02:13 PM (53cD3)

190 Salisbury! That's it! OMG what a place. I will look up the book, thanks! The history in Europe and even Egypt was humbling. I grew up in CA (I know, I know, but it was nice back in the day) where nothing is old. Relatively speaking.

Posted by: DishofRed at February 02, 2014 02:14 PM (Dmq63)

191 DiT Do it. Now How funny would it have been if they had the Mandela funeral fake translator on during the National Anthem?

Posted by: L, elle at February 02, 2014 02:14 PM (0xqKe)

192 The national anthem will be starting soon. Will it be botched this year?

Posted by: Buzzion at February 02, 2014 02:14 PM (LI48c)

193 That is how I always described it. Any direction you look, there is more than a thousand miles of nothing except more ocean, below you, thousands of feet of ocean. Add in the stars at night, then you really understand your place in the universe. Posted by: traye ------------------------ N. Atlantic, during Fall-Winter storms. 'Eternal Father, Strong to Save' takes on an entirely new meaning in that circumstance. I do recall dimly seeing the light from the lighthouse at St. John's Newfoundland and thinking, "I can't believe how many miles of open Atlantic lie ahead."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 02, 2014 02:14 PM (aDwsi)

194

One of favorite things about being offshore, the stars on a clear, dark night. Hard to describe how beautiful it is and how many you can see.

Agreed, mom and dad had a sailboat while we were growing up. Dad and I always slept outside on the deck.

On the wind jammer, even though I had a room, I always slept on deck. The Stars are amazing. And the peacefulness, if that is a word.
Same with camping in the middle of bfe.

Posted by: Infidel at February 02, 2014 02:15 PM (6bvBO)

195 Beautiful photos to be sure, but I have to admit to being a little disappointed.
I expected each of them to have a theme deodorant included in the selfie.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 02, 2014 02:15 PM (xq1UY)

196 The tiniest cathedral city in England is in Wells, and the church and mews are beautiful. Little tiny village, big church. On the side walls, statues of the saints are in stone niches all over, and all have had their heads knocked off. Cromwell's men did it, using lances and poles from horseback, and so up high, the heads are intact.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at February 02, 2014 02:15 PM (tmFlQ)

197 "...but the ranch in the Big Bend country has those same attributes of open space, rugged terrain, interesting geology," You triggered a memory of driving south into the Big Bend, headed toward Marathon I think, and seeing a gigantic rippling strip of red rock looking like God's candy cane snaking along a bluff. Astounding.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 02, 2014 02:15 PM (1Y+hH)

198 Whoever mentioned the Vietnam Memorial is correct. I dare any soul to walk down and up without ending in tears.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 02, 2014 02:16 PM (V70Uh)

199

Posted by: Ronster at February 02, 2014 06:12 PM (puNd6)

How you doin?

Posted by: Infidel at February 02, 2014 02:17 PM (6bvBO)

200 Hey, I took a Windjammer! The 'Polynesia'. I was on my own, so I slept outside too. What an experience, but I never remember seeing anything like the night in the Australian outback. Maybe we never got far enough to sea.

Loved those Windjammer cruises. Would love to do it again, but I think they went out of business.

Posted by: DishofRed at February 02, 2014 02:17 PM (Dmq63)

201 >>Agreed, mom and dad had a sailboat while we were growing up. Dad and I always slept outside on the deck.On the wind jammer, even though I had a room, I always slept on deck. The Stars are amazing. And the peacefulness, if that is a word. Same with camping in the middle of bfe. Yep on the peaceful thing. Not a very religious guy but it feels very spiritual, particularly on a small sailboat.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2014 02:18 PM (g1DWB)

202 And about the Arizona memorial. I was in pearl for a year to decommission my boat (USS Francis Scott Key), for a solid year every single day I went to work, I would salute the flag on our deck, then their flag across the harbour, I just could never get up the nerve to go over there.

Posted by: traye at February 02, 2014 02:18 PM (iL9QP)

203 "All of my favorite places are on the western slope in CO. Beautiful mountains, streams and rivers." Like around Redstone on the Crystal River for instance?

Posted by: Meremortal at February 02, 2014 02:18 PM (1Y+hH)

204

They did out of business, too sad. OMF, Kurt Russell.

*drool*

Posted by: Infidel at February 02, 2014 02:19 PM (6bvBO)

205 >>>you should have been a squid I was a squid, saw some cool stuff Panama Canal, lots of the Caribbean, Med Cruise but I wish I could go to some of the places my teenage daughter has visited Swam in the Amazon, Macchu Picchu in Peru, Multiple cities in India.

Posted by: PMRich at February 02, 2014 02:19 PM (x/BtJ)

206 Regular Moron, your name is a mis-nomer. You are "an exceptionally fortunate Moron."

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 02, 2014 02:19 PM (V70Uh)

207 Made a trek into Grindelwald in Switzerland to see the north face of the Eiger. Read Heinrich Harrer's account of its first ascent before going there. Positively frightening, standing in the little town and looking at the face, thinking of climbing it with ropes and picks and not much else.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at February 02, 2014 02:20 PM (tmFlQ)

208 sad news to hear about Joffen. damn. still have his number.

Posted by: rich@gmu at February 02, 2014 02:20 PM (3yFC4)

209 The stars from the bottom of the Grand Canyon are uncountable

Posted by: tmitsss at February 02, 2014 02:21 PM (aVsJj)

210 The Jefferson Memorial is one of my favorite places for quiet contemplation. Take the path around the tidal basin which is usually pretty quiet and then enjoy the peacefulness of the memorial with its time honored words inscribed on the walls.

If you get the chance, go at night. It's even better then.

Posted by: Retread at February 02, 2014 02:21 PM (cHwk5)

211 One of my sons is an Irish dancer, so we travel a lot with him to championships. A few years ago, we were in Dublin and took a tour through the Wicklow Mountains to Glendalough. There's a spot at St. Kevin's Kitchen where you can step off the path and the bushes frame your view of the cemetery of the monastery with the ancient Celtic crosses. The grass was Irish green and the mountains were misty in the background. It was incredibly gorgeous and moving. We're going to Newgrange in the spring and I wonder if that will be moving or creepy. We're also going to London, and St. Paul's has just moved to the top of my list. Montreal is this summer - is there anything there we must, must experience?

Posted by: VKI at February 02, 2014 02:24 PM (qySNZ)

212 The night sky from any desert takes your breath away. In college (SLC) we used to always go to Lake Powell every Memorial Day to swim and do other things I don't tell my children about. I used to go with groups of friends to camp in my sleeping bag with the sky overhead. It was glorious. Now I would worry about a) scorpions, b) snakes and c) serial killers. But now I am not partying as hard, so there's that. But Lake Powell is also an amazing place to visit, as well as any National Park in Utah. I am apparently part of the Utah Tourist group as well as the face of Junipero Gin.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky survived 2014 Polar Vortex at February 02, 2014 02:24 PM (baL2B)

213 New "The Big Game" thread up.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 02, 2014 02:25 PM (V70Uh)

214 One thing when I travel, if I can I love to visit graveyards. Domestic, foreign, whatever.

I always find a lot of peace in those places, be it Tombstone or Ireland.

Posted by: HH at February 02, 2014 02:26 PM (XXwdv)

215 Montreal is this summer - is there anything there we must, must experience?

Take train to Quebec City.

I cannot wait to go to Ireland, land of my ancestors, who apparently went from Ireland to Scotland depending on work. Next year. Waiting on #1 son to have the funds so we can go as a family.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky survived 2014 Polar Vortex at February 02, 2014 02:26 PM (baL2B)

216 Heading to the Gladiator thread.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 02, 2014 02:27 PM (1Y+hH)

217 Well, this was fun, thank y-not!

Off to watch the game. Does anyone else think a Live Blog thingy would be fun for the Super Bowl? No? Must be the (really) cheap wine talking.

Go Broncos! Beat Pete Carroll!

Posted by: DishofRed at February 02, 2014 02:28 PM (Dmq63)

218 I've been to the Badlands in western SD. Godawful strange, so strange in fact that the indians did NOT consider it sacred, I have heard. Been to a lot of the indian ruins sites in CO, NM, and AZ. Easy to see why the peoples built their pueblos and villages and cliffside houses where they did, it was all about the long range views, and the feelings you get when you stare out at them.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at February 02, 2014 02:28 PM (tmFlQ)

219 215 One thing when I travel, if I can I love to visit graveyards. Domestic, foreign, whatever. -- LOL. My husband's boss (who is an American history scholar) invariably drags him to/through graveyards when they're on business trips.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 02:29 PM (zDsvJ)

220 Go Broncos!

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 02:29 PM (zDsvJ)

221 In Montreal, one MUST go have lunch at Ogilvie's department store. Bagpipes. And visit the old Notre Dame church, then artists alley in nearby Old Town. After that, beat it for Quebec City. Brush up on your French.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at February 02, 2014 02:31 PM (tmFlQ)

222 Posted by: Infidel at February 02, 2014 06:09 PM (6bvBO) Sounds like a good idea since we don't yet have anything planned for then. I suspect it takes a lot of planning to pull something like that off (which you don't want to entrust to me).

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 02, 2014 02:37 PM (GDulk)

223 Moonless nights in the American desert. You just want to say "one small step for a man..."

Posted by: Huggy at February 02, 2014 02:37 PM (4WPfa)

224

When I was 18 I ran away from home to live in San Francisco...Quite the culture shock but loved it. I lived in lower Nob Hill and would walk to work everyday smack dab in the middle of the financial district right across the street from the tallest building in the city, the Bank of America building. On my way I'd peer into the original Williams Sonoma store on Sutter Street because I love to cook. Made many, many wonderful friendships from all walks of life, from the richest to the poorest. Shopped in a mom and pop grocery for all my food, hung out at Twin Peaks and near the Golden Gate Bridge, it's a beautiful city, really.

But big cities ain't for me. I have always wanted to live in Montana, on a ranch.

Posted by: Puncher at February 02, 2014 02:39 PM (LhAqq)

225 >>Yes. My father died recently So sorry for your loss, Regular Moron.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 02, 2014 03:00 PM (zDsvJ)

226

President Obama must be happy that Denver is losing to a black quarter back

Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at February 02, 2014 03:17 PM (d82hv)

227 I was in the oil business. Saw the Arnhem museum which was Division hq At Oosterbeek, (Holland) and the bridge, which at the time I didn't know it had been blown up in the final weeks of the war. Very moving. There was a 3"antitank gun, probably American with the shield absolutely riddled with bullets. Used to go to Queenston Heights (War of 1812) for picnics and band concerts as a kid.Climbed the Brock tower memorial once. I missed going to the Canadian memorial at Vimy Ridge in France, tears me up to look at the pictures of it. Had a great uncle who got partially gassed in 1915, lived until 1980 and eventually died of lung trouble.

Posted by: bill sometimes bill from canada at February 02, 2014 05:08 PM (3dmoX)

228 Late to the thread, but will list my favorites: Wind River Range in Wyoming, Glacier NP, the UP, Dingle Peninsula Ireland, St. Chapelle in Paris, fishing off the coast of the Osa Peninsula Costa Rica, the entire Oregon coast, Iceland, and last but not least my land in NE IA with pastures, woodland, our gardens and orchard, and most importantly a bountiful sense of peace and quiet.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at February 02, 2014 06:23 PM (hpgw1)

229

The Alamo is sacred to Texans ... and to freedom-loving people everywhere.

Posted by: oldtimer at February 02, 2014 06:40 PM (PVpCn)

230 I never thought I would have the opportunity to travel, but my daughter's husband is stationed in Italy. I spent Christmas 2012 there and got to see Venice, including St. Mark's which is jaw dropping beautiful. Because it was winner, there was no line to get in,. When I got home to the states, I booked a flight for the next Christmas. That summer, I was laid off, and when I texted my daughter, her reply was "when are you coming to Italy" and offered to pay for my ticket, since heritage husband had just deployed to Afghanistan a couple of weeks before and she has three very young ones. So I got another six weeks, and she took me camping in Livorno on the Ligurian Sea. I had already bought my Christmas ticket, so I was back out for another three weeks. I had a job lined up that fell through in the spring, so I went back again with the intention of staying for six weeks and ended up staying for three months! The full 90 days the tourist visa allows. I thought for sure that was it, since I can't go back for 180 days. Then I got an opportunity to go to Doha where my niece lives and works. My sister is there for an extended visit. So I agreed to go. I thought if I stayed long enough, I could go back to Italy one last time, since my daughter is returning to the states for good. My niece surprised my sister with a trip to Vietnam while she's visiting, so I was invited to join that side trip as well. When we return, I will be back in Italy for a few weeks to soak up as much as I can. I really loved it there. So much beauty everywhere in northern Italy. But I can scarcely believe the way things have unfolded as I never would have imagined theses opportunities would have ever come my way. I am very humbled and grateful.

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at February 02, 2014 08:39 PM (JcN7j)

231 We took our kids camping at the north rim when they were young. Stayed in the wpa built cabins. Then we drove to lake Powell, then on to the four corners area, where my in laws lived. Then we all drove to Ouray to camp. It was our only family vacation, but it was great!

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at February 02, 2014 09:05 PM (JcN7j)

232 Thanks, again, to everyone for contributing. See you next week!

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 03, 2014 03:48 AM (zDsvJ)

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