March 13, 2014
— Ace Which would have major implications.
Four hours of flight time would mean it could be anywhere in a circle with a diameter of 2,200 nautical miles. It could be in India; it could be in Mongolia; it could be in Japan; it could be in Australia. And of course all the thousands of square miles of ocean around.
But it's more than that: Because pilots don't just shut off their transponders and stop all communications without a reason for doing so.
U.S. investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 stayed in the air for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, according to two people familiar with the details, raising the possibility that the plane could have flown on for hundreds of additional miles under conditions that remain murky.Aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours, based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co. BA engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring program.
So, while the plane's transponders and radio were off, its engines were still sending out data to satellites. At least according to the WSJ's sources. And the engines sent out data for four hours past the plane's disappearance.
Which leads to this possibility:
U.S. counterterrorism officials are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar detection, according to one person tracking the probe.
Terrorism or some kind of skyjacking is not ruled out.
At Hot Air, Malaysian officials dispute these claims, and China is criticizing them on their response to the whole matter.
Via Nidermeyer's Dead Horse... An NPR interview with the WSJ reporter who wrote this story.
He says the new theory being explored is that the plane either landed, or crashed at some later point en route to a planned landing place. (Actually he doesn't clearly say that last "or" clause but it's implied by what he does say.)
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painted by some radars sets, somewhere,
Unless it was brought down to fly just above the deck.
Can't be first, really.
Cordially...
Posted by: Rick at March 13, 2014 10:48 AM (mOQjx)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 13, 2014 10:48 AM (qZr+9)
Posted by: flounder at March 13, 2014 10:48 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Four Outrages, get a Rightous Indignation Free! at March 13, 2014 10:49 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: technite at March 13, 2014 10:49 AM (9PNNC)
250,000 divided by, oh, say 600 mph equals
carry the 3...
yep.
Four hours. There you have it.
It's on the moon.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2014 10:49 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Adam at March 13, 2014 10:49 AM (Aif/5)
If it was hijacked, or the pilot turned terrorist, and I was Malaysia - I would shoot it down before it was flown to a city to kill more people than those on board.
I would also misdirect the searchers.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2014 10:50 AM (CpbrP)
Posted by: Zombie FDR at March 13, 2014 10:50 AM (71K6B)
Posted by: brak at March 13, 2014 10:50 AM (iEoiA)
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at March 13, 2014 10:51 AM (n/ogz)
Posted by: secretary of state at March 13, 2014 10:51 AM (AX7W6)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 13, 2014 10:51 AM (qZr+9)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 10:51 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Cluedo at March 13, 2014 10:51 AM (kGcrY)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 02:51 PM (ZPrif)
I know! Right?
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2014 10:52 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Tony253 at March 13, 2014 10:52 AM (PryWG)
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at March 13, 2014 10:52 AM (n/ogz)
Posted by: secretary of state at March 13, 2014 10:52 AM (AX7W6)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 13, 2014 10:52 AM (IW1TI)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 13, 2014 10:52 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 10:52 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 10:52 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: forest at March 13, 2014 10:53 AM (stMuz)
This prevaricating, shadowy bullshit is REALLY getting old. People's lives have been devastated by this. CYA is not an option.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 10:53 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: zombie at March 13, 2014 10:53 AM (mizYg)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 10:53 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Malaysian Spokesman at March 13, 2014 10:53 AM (D+lxs)
Posted by: Fritz at March 13, 2014 10:53 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 10:54 AM (ZshNr)
The Argentinians would have told us if it landed at Maldives.
Posted by: Barky O'Genius at March 13, 2014 10:54 AM (8ZskC)
One thing I do sorta think is this: that national authorities know more about what happened than what we are being told about. And there is some reason, legitimate or illegitimate, that they are keeping it from us.
Or maybe nobody knows.
Posted by: dan-O at March 13, 2014 10:54 AM (D0bIN)
Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at March 13, 2014 10:54 AM (n/ogz)
It is sitting right now in a jerry-built hangar at the end of a homemade runway in some Islamic land in either SE/central Asia or Indonesia.
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That is one heck of a homemade runway that can handle a 777
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2014 10:54 AM (CpbrP)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 13, 2014 10:54 AM (IW1TI)
perhaps they don't work under water? you'd think for a bit they would have.
Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 10:54 AM (nqBYe)
Also, the Chinese would have been able to track it using their coastal defense radar. Someone knows what happened to that plane.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 13, 2014 10:54 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: lowandslow at March 13, 2014 10:54 AM (IV4od)
That ship sailed when they failed to cross-check passports for authenticity. What century of air safety are they living in? September 11th ringing an bells guys?
It appears the transponder was deliberately shut off. The only way they could keep flying that long without panicking people, who would immediately pick up their cell phones, would be controlled flight. Then probably a deliberate flight into terrain that was catastrophic which was most likely preceded by a shout of Aloha Snack-bar!.
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 13, 2014 10:55 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 10:55 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 10:55 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 10:55 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 10:56 AM (nqBYe)
There's not a lot of radar stations out in the ocean. So if it flew back over Malaysia and into the Indian ocean, it's possible that the Malaysian radar stations were the only ones to see it.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 13, 2014 10:56 AM (XkotV)
"It is sitting right now in a jerry-built hangar...."
The Germans! Of course, why didn't I think of that!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Four Outrages, get a Rightous Indignation Free! at March 13, 2014 10:56 AM (hLRSq)
The Contrail Liberation Front sent a Feydayin squad to down it. Because the Polluters/Breeders are spraying mind control drugs from them. And here's the sad, true, scary part. I didn't make that last bit up. There really are mathematically and physics challenged idiots out there that believe that shit and VOTE, too.
Posted by: Todd Bridges, first to go bad, last to go down at March 13, 2014 10:56 AM (OJCL9)
Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 10:56 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 10:57 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 02:55 PM (t3UFN)
Peruvia.
You didn't hear that here.
Posted by: A Cabal of Diabolically Clever Shaved Alpacas at March 13, 2014 10:57 AM (8ZskC)
What do the Germans have to do with it?
Posted by: flounder at March 13, 2014 10:57 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 10:57 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 13, 2014 10:58 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 13, 2014 02:54 PM (IW1TI)
That's just it. We DON'T know that. That's why this is so frustrating. Is it incredibly likely that they're all dead? Yes. But until there's some proof -- wreckage, bodies, SOMETHING -- there's still that hope that maybe they're out there somewhere, being held captive but still alive, waiting for rescue. It's every child abduction and missing person case writ large: "They're probably dead, but maybe they aren't."
Hope is a wonderful thing, but it's also terribly painful.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 10:58 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 10:58 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 13, 2014 10:58 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 10:58 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 13, 2014 10:58 AM (IW1TI)
Posted by: Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan in a Japanese POW camp at March 13, 2014 10:58 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 10:58 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2014 10:58 AM (CpbrP)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 13, 2014 10:59 AM (IW1TI)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 13, 2014 10:59 AM (kXoT0)
YouTube is now being combed for offensive videos by federal officials so they can be blamed when the world finally learns that muzzie terrororism is behind the loss of the plane.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 13, 2014 10:59 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 13, 2014 10:59 AM (HsTG8)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 13, 2014 11:00 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 11:00 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 11:00 AM (ZshNr)
Actual theory: Someone accidentally shot it down and now they don't want to tell China what they did. I mean, would you?
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Assuming the transponder story is true, it wasn't accidentally shot down.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2014 11:00 AM (CpbrP)
Posted by: Bloodhound Gang at March 13, 2014 11:00 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: A Cabal of Diabolically Clever Shaved Alpacas at March 13, 2014 02:57 PM (8ZskC)
Yeah right. You prolly don't even speak Peruvian.
Your Austrian sucks too.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2014 11:01 AM (BZAd3)
However, if the plane flew over land with cell coverage, there's some chance a phone left in normal cell communication mode might have communicated with a cell tower along the route (and left a trace in the cell tower's electronic logs).
Posted by: technite at March 13, 2014 11:01 AM (9PNNC)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 13, 2014 11:01 AM (HsTG8)
Posted by: gdonovan at March 13, 2014 11:01 AM (0AeFt)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 02:54 PM (ZshNr)
Not necessarily. I suspect the engine data story is wrong but that there is other information (via US military methods) that points to a longer flight followed by a crash to the west.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 13, 2014 11:02 AM (XkotV)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 11:02 AM (rDidD)
A 777 has better range and access to the Hellholes of the world.
Posted by: Fritz at March 13, 2014 11:02 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: tasker at March 13, 2014 11:02 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 11:03 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 11:03 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 13, 2014 11:03 AM (/rlXg)
Posted by: Vladimir Putin at March 13, 2014 11:03 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 11:03 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: B-in BR at March 13, 2014 03:00 PM (APuJ7)
But will they look? Noooo! Why? BECAUSE IT WAS MY IDEA!
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2014 11:04 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Harry Reid at March 13, 2014 11:04 AM (IV4od)
Posted by: toby928© at March 13, 2014 11:04 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Winston at March 13, 2014 11:04 AM (FggW0)
The plane was a Boeing 777; the mark of the beast is 666.
777 - 666 = 111.
Work it, people; work it!!
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If man is 5 and the devil is 6 than that must make me 7.
This honky's gone to heaven...
Posted by: Bloodhound Gang at March 13, 2014 03:00 PM (APuJ7)
667: Neighbor of the Beast
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 13, 2014 11:04 AM (TIIx5)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 11:05 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: bkeyser at March 13, 2014 11:05 AM (OsxDX)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 11:05 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 13, 2014 11:05 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 13, 2014 11:05 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 11:05 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 13, 2014 11:06 AM (IW1TI)
The 777 is probably the greatest civilian jetliner of this generation. Boeing has a huge interest in publicly pointing out that this wasn't mechanical failure.
Another note: The data that the engines put out also sends a signal indicating how they stopped ('shut down', 'stopped' [crash] or 'failed').
I'm interested in knowing how the engines stopped.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 13, 2014 11:06 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Gilligan at March 13, 2014 11:06 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 13, 2014 11:06 AM (GjPnA)
Posted by: tasker at March 13, 2014 11:06 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Dr. Emmet M. Brown at March 13, 2014 11:06 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2014 11:06 AM (BZAd3)
"Which leads to this possibility..."
That someone on the plane knew just a little too much about Hillary's goings on?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 13, 2014 11:07 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 11:07 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 11:07 AM (7ObY1)
Assuming the transponder story is true, it wasn't accidentally shot down.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2014 03:00 PM (CpbrP)
I don't know about that.
Let's say the transponder was shut off for some reason. W hat reason? We don't know. But for the sake of argument let's say it was.
Let's also say that there's something wrong with the plane's communication equipment. Maybe the radio's dead and they can't receive or transmit messages.
Some military vessel -- probably Chinese given the area -- detects a large, unidentified plane and requests it identify itself. No response. No transponder signal to identify if it's commercial or military. Still no radio response. They fire at it , then realize their mistake after the fact.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 11:07 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: spypeach, with tin foil hat on at March 13, 2014 11:07 AM (10H0T)
Posted by: Progresive Insurance. at March 13, 2014 11:07 AM (84gbM)
ABC reporting the USN is sending the USS Kidd to the Indian Ocean to search for the plane based on "indications" that the plane crashed there:
http://tinyurl.com/kdh2ylz
Posted by: MacGruber at March 13, 2014 11:07 AM (XxAYS)
Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 11:07 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 13, 2014 11:07 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 13, 2014 11:08 AM (C94J7)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 13, 2014 03:06 PM (fwARV)
Prepare to be disappointed.
Posted by: The Jews at March 13, 2014 11:08 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 11:08 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 11:08 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Zombie Leslie Neilsen at March 13, 2014 11:08 AM (/rlXg)
Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 13, 2014 11:08 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 13, 2014 11:09 AM (V4CBV)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 13, 2014 11:09 AM (APuJ7)
No but we got a mysterious message from his son. All it said is WINNING!!!!
Posted by: Capt. Matt Yelland, USN at March 13, 2014 11:09 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 13, 2014 11:09 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Erik Avon Daniken at March 13, 2014 11:09 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: JPS at March 13, 2014 11:10 AM (rWCei)
Between Malaysia and Vietnam? Be serious- who would actually do that and what is the motive for covering it up?
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 13, 2014 11:10 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Rob Banks at March 13, 2014 11:10 AM (ODr92)
Posted by: rd at March 13, 2014 11:10 AM (D+lxs)
Posted by: no good deed at March 13, 2014 11:10 AM (vBhbc)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 11:10 AM (84gbM)
Some military vessel -- probably Chinese given the area -- detects a large, unidentified plane and requests it identify itself. No response. No transponder signal to identify if it's commercial or military. Still no radio response. They fire at it , then realize their mistake after the fact.
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MWR, ok, technically an accident. But not like "I was cleaning my missle launcher and it went off accidentally".
My current theory is Malaysia, not China, and they would do it because it was inbound to KL
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2014 11:10 AM (CpbrP)
So, if I'm understanding this right, they can lo jack your escalade better than a 777.
Got it.
The Rolls Royce data is very interesting. I guess it shows the engines were running for those 4 hours...
Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 11:10 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 11:10 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 11:11 AM (DmNpO)
. It's not unfeasible for terrorists to construct a mile-long runway only wide enough for one plane. Heck, that's like building a short road. Easy peasy.Posted by: zombie at March 13, 2014 11:11 AM (mizYg)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 13, 2014 11:11 AM (V4CBV)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 11:11 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Cicero
See! He said telemetry. That's the word those space people use. I told you it was on the moon.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2014 11:11 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 13, 2014 11:11 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 11:11 AM (ZshNr)
Yeah, and apparently the Chinese are super pissed off at Malaysia...
Hope those people are still alive though, much better than a crash if they make it!!
Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 11:12 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Rolls Royce Engine Telemetry Center at March 13, 2014 11:12 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Anon at March 13, 2014 11:12 AM (PQ3tU)
Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 11:12 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Native Chief, on Skull Island at March 13, 2014 11:12 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: Malaysian Military at March 13, 2014 11:12 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 13, 2014 11:12 AM (Vv2+u)
Posted by: The Guy Who Wanted to See Cheryl Ladd's Boobs at March 13, 2014 11:12 AM (kGcrY)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 11:12 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2014 11:12 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 13, 2014 11:12 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: naturalfake at March 13, 2014 11:12 AM (0cMkb)
Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2014 11:12 AM (u2a4R)
Lawnmower man wasn't just a dumb swampbilly. He had three separate accents.
He puts on the Forrest Gump when he's talking to the 2012 cops, giving them directions. Then when they blow him off, he finishes "my family's been here a long time" with a much more patrician accent. And when he's horsing around with retard girl sister he does a Jared Harris Mad Men accent.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 13, 2014 11:12 AM (A0sHn)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 13, 2014 11:13 AM (0FSuD)
I can't see how a plane gets hijacked and flown to a remote location where a bunch of terrorists retro-fit it to become a flying bomb. Sounds great for a Die Hard script, but not so plausible in real life.
About the only scenario that seems plausible at this point is a crack in the hull led to hypoxia. Maybe the crew only had time to try to turn around and try to get it to a lower altitude and that's it before they became unconcious. The autopilot just kept the plane going until it went down.
Posted by: MacGruber at March 13, 2014 11:13 AM (XxAYS)
Posted by: The Aliens at March 13, 2014 11:13 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Rep. Sheila Houston We Have a Problem Jackson Lee at March 13, 2014 11:13 AM (o6g4X)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 11:13 AM (t3UFN)
Especially if you have to use union labor.
Posted by: Cheryl Ladd at March 13, 2014 11:13 AM (1Rgee)
Considering that Boeing is putting this info out there, my guess isn't "against the Pacific Ocean at 600 MPH"
Agreed. My gut tells me this aircraft is on the bottom somewhere, but just the chance it could have been ... acquired... by a state interested in a delivery system for something nasty has me somewhere between interested and worried.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 13, 2014 11:13 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: zombie at March 13, 2014 03:11 PM (mizYg)
Runways capable of handling both the landing (long) and takeoff (even longer) of a 777 are not insignificant country roads.
They are engineering marvels.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2014 11:13 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 11:13 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 11:13 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 11:13 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: zombie at March 13, 2014 11:13 AM (mizYg)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 13, 2014 11:14 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Naes1984 at March 13, 2014 11:14 AM (LiHKo)
Posted by: Rep. Hank Johnson at March 13, 2014 03:12 PM (ligos)
Top or bottom?
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2014 11:14 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Sheila Jackson Lee at March 13, 2014 11:14 AM (Aif/5)
Of course. Remember, Senator Obama was instrumental in disarming Ukraine (possibly the only thing he lifted a finger to do while he was there).
Posted by: Ian S. at March 13, 2014 11:14 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: 777 Pilot at March 13, 2014 11:14 AM (/rlXg)
EVERY Military out there knows that equipment sometimes breaks...
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 03:10 PM (84gbM)
Yes, but there are things called "clusterfucks" that tend to happen on occasion. These are things that happen when someone does something unbelievably stupid that elicits vast negative consequences.
I rule out absolutely nothing, especially not in a region of the world that is currently bubbling over with nationalistic sentiment , with a China that has been rattling its sabers for years and that just suffered a violent Uighur terrorist attack of its own.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 11:15 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 11:15 AM (ZPrif)
The plane is being prepped for later use as a fully loaded bomb/plane in an upcoming major terror attack.
Posted by: zombie
The Petronas Towers are right there in Malaysia. The 'ol 9-11 bootleg is Terrorism 101. Why go for baroque?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 13, 2014 11:15 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Winged Minnow at March 13, 2014 11:15 AM (FbMva)
That's assuming it's not just splashed in the ocean somewhere.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 11:15 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Tars Tarkas, Jedeck of Thark at March 13, 2014 11:15 AM (84gbM)
The USAF have recently flown B-52s, large planes by anyone's measure, through areas of the South China Sea which the US claims as international airspace and which China says is theirs.
The Chinese were made well aware of this.
In that context, I strongly doubt the Chinese military would engage a large unknown. Unless in their own actual airspace, and probably not even then. Too much risk of provoking a confrontation if they were to down an American jet.
The Chinese have a pretty good understanding of the old principle that one does not interrupt an adversary while that adversary is making a mistake.
Right now, the Obama administration is shrinking American military muscle and is alienating or fostering doubt in American allies all over the world. Those things play to China's long run steady strategic push. They would not want to upset that dynamic with a rash tactical option based on incomplete info.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 13, 2014 11:15 AM (gqT4g)
Posted by: alf767 at March 13, 2014 11:15 AM (5UnZF)
Posted by: JPS at March 13, 2014 11:15 AM (rWCei)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 11:15 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: The Head Kanamit Chef at March 13, 2014 11:15 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: The Guy Who Wanted to See Cheryl Ladd's Boobs at March 13, 2014 11:16 AM (kGcrY)
Posted by: Rep. Sheila Houston We Have a Problem Jackson Lee at March 13, 2014 03:13 PM (o6g4X)
Cell phones don't ring on Mars. So there, you big smartie pants.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2014 11:16 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 13, 2014 11:16 AM (0FSuD)
Nope....
Posted by: Tars Tarkas, Jedeck of Thark at March 13, 2014 03:15 PM (84gbM)
I wish I'd thought of that.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2014 11:17 AM (BZAd3)
Controlled flight to deep ocean
Aloha Snack-bar!: CFIT
If it was on the normal flight path and a catastrophic event occurred at 35,000 AGL they would have already found debris.
The only thing missing is a motive.
Posted by: Marcus T. at March 13, 2014 11:17 AM (GGCsk)
There was a time when our boomers would have heard everything in the vast expanse of the seas. Perhaps they are still out there but it takes a long time before they report in.
Posted by: toby928© at March 13, 2014 03:04 PM (QupBk)
We fixed that problem! We called all the boats tied up at the dock. They did not hear $h!t
Posted by: US Defense Budget Cuts at March 13, 2014 11:17 AM (D+lxs)
Come back here little Timmy! You still have to kiss the elephant's trunk!
Posted by: Harry Reid at March 13, 2014 11:18 AM (YmPwQ)
I initially misread that as "Gays or Republicans".
(Who opened for The Searchlight Stranglers on their '97 world tour).
Posted by: Ian S. at March 13, 2014 11:18 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Zombie Gen. Zhukov at March 13, 2014 11:18 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: amichel at March 13, 2014 11:19 AM (PWWdd)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 13, 2014 11:19 AM (IW1TI)
Posted by: Bossy Cankles at March 13, 2014 11:19 AM (QM5S2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings#2010s
Posted by: flounder at March 13, 2014 11:19 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: 777 Pilot at March 13, 2014 11:20 AM (/rlXg)
Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 13, 2014 11:20 AM (r7mtu)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 11:20 AM (ZshNr)
Those fuckers flew it into the Harlem buildings!!!
Gas, my ass!!! It was Zimmerman!!!
Posted by: reverand al at March 13, 2014 11:20 AM (hn5v5)
Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2014 11:20 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: toby928© at March 13, 2014 11:20 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Sheila Jackson Lee (Pre M&M Aviation Expert) at March 13, 2014 11:20 AM (pgQxn)
U.S. counterterrorism officials are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar detection, according to one person tracking the probeU.S. counterterrorism officials are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar detection, according to one person tracking the probeU.S. counterterrorism officials are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar detection, according to one person tracking the probe
I'm betting this is what happened.
Posted by: eleven at March 13, 2014 11:21 AM (fsLdt)
It sends data but nothing having to do with the plane's location? So let me get this straight, many of the engine components can send data back to the ground, yet there is nothing on board that sends it's location in real time?
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 13, 2014 11:21 AM (WdbF7)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 13, 2014 11:21 AM (HsTG8)
Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 13, 2014 11:22 AM (r7mtu)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 13, 2014 11:22 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Vlad Putin at March 13, 2014 11:22 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 13, 2014 11:22 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 11:22 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: OxyCon at March 13, 2014 11:23 AM (xBryS)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 13, 2014 11:23 AM (qyfb5)
'Cause the space aliens prefer doing the anal probes when the humans are sleeping.
Posted by: eric cartman at March 13, 2014 11:23 AM (hn5v5)
Or what?
Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 13, 2014 03:20 PM (r7mtu)
"Or we give out Putin's mom's super top secret borscht recipe TO THE ENTIRE WORLD."
- Horseface
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 11:23 AM (4df7R)
I don't know about every cell system, but I do know that if any of our phones are off the network (Shut off, dead reception area,etc) the person calling will notice the ringing roll immediately to an automated voice mail, or recorded"The party you are calling is not available" type message.
I can tell immediately upon calling Mrs VIA if her phone is turned on or not.
I would suspect that a cellphone submerged in salt water would have the same issues.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 13, 2014 11:23 AM (si68n)
Pilots have almost instant access to oxygen, so I wonder how likely this scenario really is.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2014 11:23 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 03:20 PM (ZshNr)
True. It would be far, far, far, far easier to just buy or lease a cargo plane and pack it full of explosives than hijack and redirect a passenger 777 in mid-flight, land it, reconfigure the interior, pack it with explosives, refuel it, and then launch an attack.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 13, 2014 11:24 AM (XkotV)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 11:24 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 11:24 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2014 03:12 PM (BZAd3)
Next up: Ukraine joins Muslim Brotherhood and Mexican Cartel.
Posted by: flounder at March 13, 2014 11:24 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: RD Walker at March 13, 2014 11:24 AM (6RtJb)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 13, 2014 11:24 AM (71K6B)
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 13, 2014 11:25 AM (/rlXg)
Posted by: JPS at March 13, 2014 11:25 AM (rWCei)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 11:25 AM (DmNpO)
Well, assuming the cockpit occupants (whoever they were at the time) did not don oxygen masks and then depressurize the cabin. Any way they could have stopped the O2 masks from dropping?
Posted by: Anon at March 13, 2014 11:25 AM (PQ3tU)
Posted by: It's always the last place you look at March 13, 2014 11:25 AM (FbMva)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 11:25 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 13, 2014 03:23 PM (si68n)
What if there all Nokia's?
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 13, 2014 11:25 AM (WdbF7)
Posted by: Fritz at March 13, 2014 11:25 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Penn... as of course Teller remains not tellin... at March 13, 2014 11:26 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 13, 2014 11:26 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 11:26 AM (t3UFN)
I approve of this comment.
Posted by: Occam at March 13, 2014 11:26 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 13, 2014 11:26 AM (XyM/Y)
It can happen before you even realize you are oxygen deprived if you aren't alert to the symptoms. It has happened before with albeit smaller private planes. That's how Payne Stewart died.
Posted by: no good deed at March 13, 2014 11:26 AM (vBhbc)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 13, 2014 11:26 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: spypeach at March 13, 2014 11:26 AM (10H0T)
And if you are going to hijack....why bother landing, with all of its huge risks and challenges?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2014 11:26 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: Soothsayer at March 13, 2014 11:26 AM (IW1TI)
Posted by: Jprs at March 13, 2014 11:26 AM (ye4Wk)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 13, 2014 11:27 AM (HsTG8)
Posted by: Mama AJ at March 13, 2014 11:27 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: Zombie Bo Rein and Mel Carnahan at March 13, 2014 11:27 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Joe Biden at March 13, 2014 11:27 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 11:27 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 13, 2014 11:27 AM (hXDMw)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 11:27 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 11:27 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 11:27 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Soothsayer at March 13, 2014 11:27 AM (IW1TI)
Reported by Dow Jones : Ukraine has requested arms. U.S. has said no.
A billion dollars worth of manpads and anti-armor and Ukraine could hold it's own against the bear.
Posted by: toby928© at March 13, 2014 03:20 PM (QupBk)
U.S is saying no to Egypt for a request for more attack helicopters.
Posted by: Rehabilitated Mel Gibson at March 13, 2014 11:28 AM (mETGQ)
Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2014 11:28 AM (u2a4R)
As a survivor of a family who simply disappeared having never been heard of again (but with weeks of searches and dragging the river and dogs sent out) there's always that eternal question, "What happened?"
-
What?
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2014 11:28 AM (CpbrP)
The nations of the earth will be called on to pool their resources and pay a ransom of ONE MILLION dollars.
Since the Swiss don't have anonymous accounts anymore, gonna be the bitcoin.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 13, 2014 11:28 AM (xq1UY)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2014 03:26 PM (QFxY5)
It could be:
Hijack plane to fly into building --> struggle in the cockpit --> plane goes into the drink before it reaches its destination
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 11:28 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: RD Walker at March 13, 2014 11:28 AM (6RtJb)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 13, 2014 11:29 AM (HsTG8)
Posted by: ted stryker at March 13, 2014 11:29 AM (hn5v5)
What's weirder is that this is exactly what happened to the dinosaurs 50 million years ago.
Posted by: Soothsayer at March 13, 2014 03:27 PM (IW1TI)
OMG, An asteroid destroyed the 777!!!!!!
/Hank, Guam tipper-over guy
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 13, 2014 11:29 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 11:29 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 13, 2014 11:29 AM (/rlXg)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 11:29 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 13, 2014 11:29 AM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 13, 2014 11:29 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 11:30 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 13, 2014 11:30 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: SMOD... still coming... at March 13, 2014 11:30 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 11:30 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: tasker at March 13, 2014 11:30 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 13, 2014 11:30 AM (71K6B)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 11:30 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: John Kerry had too much Gin at March 13, 2014 11:30 AM (Aif/5)
Sincerely, I'm surprised planes don't crash more often.
Posted by: soothsayer
Crash rates have been reduced remarkably in the last couple of decades, especially when you consider the vast expansion in the number of flights and routes.
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm
Better pilot training and control/warning systems.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 13, 2014 11:30 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 13, 2014 11:31 AM (bitz6)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 13, 2014 11:31 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: ( I learned the truth from ) Lenny Bruce at March 13, 2014 11:31 AM (omBWL)
Posted by: gewa76 at March 13, 2014 11:31 AM (k8m83)
See! He said telemetry. That's the word those space people use. I told you it was on the moon.
The moon's only 400 years old. That's not enough time for it to evolve landing strips.
Posted by: Shiela Jackson Lee at March 13, 2014 11:31 AM (0IhFx)
Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 03:29 PM (zOTsN)
But what if the redundancies failed?
I know they're redundancies for a reason, but this whole situation is so bizarre and so amorphous that it's not impossible that this was an incident where everything that could go wrong DID go wrong.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 11:31 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: amichel at March 13, 2014 03:19 PM (PWWdd)
I was told there would be no math on this blog!
Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 11:31 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Zombie Robert Stack at March 13, 2014 11:32 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: Guy who monitors AOS for the NSA at March 13, 2014 11:32 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 13, 2014 11:32 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 13, 2014 11:32 AM (bitz6)
I'll lead the charge across the Volga myself, that's what you Ruskie bastards!!!!
Posted by: John Kerry had too much Gin
Shoots fleeing Russian peasants in the back. Pins Purple Heart on himself.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 13, 2014 11:32 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 11:32 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 11:33 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 13, 2014 11:33 AM (NJVBQ)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 11:33 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Airline Pilot at March 13, 2014 11:33 AM (84gbM)
Hmmm. Plane flew for 4 hours after losing contact.
Viagra warns to seek medical attention after 4 hours.
Coincidence? I think not.
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 13, 2014 11:33 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: Dick (@DicksTrash) at March 13, 2014 11:33 AM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 13, 2014 11:33 AM (XyM/Y)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 11:33 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 11:34 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 13, 2014 11:34 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 11:34 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 11:34 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 13, 2014 11:34 AM (r7mtu)
Posted by: Ash Williams at March 13, 2014 11:34 AM (APuJ7)
Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 03:34 PM (fWAjv)
"Ooooh. I shake in my boots."
- Vlad
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 11:35 AM (4df7R)
Glad to be of service!Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 13, 2014 11:35 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 11:35 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Lurch Kerry at March 13, 2014 11:35 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2014 03:23 PM (QFxY5)<<
The problem is, hypoxia can set in quite quickly, especially at higher altitudes. And you may not even realize you have it until it's too late.
Posted by: MacGruber at March 13, 2014 11:35 AM (XxAYS)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 11:36 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Vlad at March 13, 2014 11:36 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 03:35 PM (GQ8sn)
Aren't the rock and paper more or less inconsequential in that scenario?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 11:36 AM (4df7R)
Why in the holy hell does the pilot have a switch "Transponder" in the first place?
Shouldn't it be like daytime running lights -> always on when the engines are on. (Or, wheels off the ground, or 'wheels -up-') Whatever makes sense. But not something where there's an actual -off- switch of any sort. (Other than 'fire axe to the wire', which is obviously a completely different problem.)
Posted by: Al at March 13, 2014 11:36 AM (9ynpo)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 11:36 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 13, 2014 11:36 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 13, 2014 11:36 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Chillin the most at March 13, 2014 11:37 AM (gxtMZ)
Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 11:37 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Mega, AoS Commenter of the Decade at March 13, 2014 11:37 AM (hHFOx)
It seems to me that the engine diagnostics would have recorded that big reverse thrust they all do on landing, so it should be known whether the plane landed.
*reads rest of thread to find the other dozen people who already figured this out*
Posted by: Methos at March 13, 2014 11:37 AM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 11:37 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: Capt. Sum Ting Wong, Asiana Airlines at March 13, 2014 11:37 AM (k8m83)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 11:37 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: The Bonobos at March 13, 2014 11:37 AM (A0sHn)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 13, 2014 11:38 AM (bitz6)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 11:38 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Soothsayer at March 13, 2014 11:39 AM (IW1TI)
Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 13, 2014 11:39 AM (r7mtu)
Posted by: Rob Banks at March 13, 2014 11:39 AM (ODr92)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 13, 2014 11:39 AM (dM+IO)
U.S. investigators suspect Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 flew for hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, based on an analysis of signals sent through the plane's satellite-communication link designed to automatically transmit the status of onboard systems, according to people familiar with the matter. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said investigators based their suspicions on signals from monitoring systems embedded in the plane's Rolls-Royce PLC engines and described that process.
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 03:36 PM (ZPrif)/i]
Interesting.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 11:39 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 11:39 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 11:39 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 13, 2014 11:39 AM (bitz6)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 13, 2014 11:40 AM (XyM/Y)
Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 11:40 AM (zOTsN)
So, they really need an alarm in the cockpit and an automatic oxygen flibbergibber? And if that fails, they're fucked?
Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 13, 2014 03:39 PM (r7mtu)
At 30k, you'd be unconscious in about 2 seconds. I'm not sure that's long enough for your brain to process the alarm and get the O2 going.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 13, 2014 11:40 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Soothsayer at March 13, 2014 11:41 AM (IW1TI)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 11:41 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: tasker at March 13, 2014 11:41 AM (RJMhd)
My father disappeared in a remote area of Canada . He went out to go fishing, searches were made, no body was never recovered and he was declared legally dead years later. And I didn't really want to make it about that-only that i think I can relate to some of the feelings the survivors might have.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
I'm sorry Fen
This.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 13, 2014 11:41 AM (A0sHn)
Posted by: amichel at March 13, 2014 11:41 AM (PWWdd)
You can survive without critical damage/death for 3 minutes without Oxygen, 3 days without water and 3 weeks without food
3 seconds without bullets in a gunfight
Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Hands at March 13, 2014 11:42 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 13, 2014 11:42 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 13, 2014 11:42 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 11:43 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 13, 2014 11:43 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Arbalest at March 13, 2014 11:43 AM (FlRtG)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 13, 2014 11:43 AM (659DL)
No, I'm glad you shared. I'm also terribly sorry. No matter how long it's been, this kind of shit just brings it back to the fore.
Posted by: Mega, AoS Commenter of the Decade at March 13, 2014 11:43 AM (hHFOx)
A lot of reasons. To prevent a surge from damaging it when the alternators or generators kick in, if it's squawking a different code then the one you have it set to, for airplanes operating within range of a class B airports tower but practicing at a different airport, etc., etc.
Posted by: lowandslow at March 13, 2014 11:44 AM (IV4od)
Posted by: eman at March 13, 2014 11:44 AM (18Nkm)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 11:44 AM (rDidD)
Even with explosive decompression, you have the time it takes to use the oxygen in your lungs, before you become unconscious...
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 03:43 PM (84gbM)
Agreed. Still. Panic is a strange animal.
Also, I realize I'm vacillating between 'mechanical/operator error' and 'got fucking stolen'. That's because I'm constantly back and forth in my head.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 13, 2014 11:44 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 11:44 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2014 11:45 AM (CpbrP)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 13, 2014 11:45 AM (HsTG8)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 03:41 PM (84gbM)
Oh... is that how those little cell thingies work? But seriously, that makes sense. F*ck the ocean.
Posted by: Mega, AoS Commenter of the Decade at March 13, 2014 11:45 AM (hHFOx)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 11:45 AM (ZPrif)
The pilot just needed to make a little overtime.
Posted by: Barry the Fern at March 13, 2014 11:45 AM (wAQA5)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 13, 2014 11:45 AM (71K6B)
Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 13, 2014 03:39 PM (r7mtu)
At 30k, you'd be unconscious in about 2 seconds. I'm not sure that's long enough for your brain to process the alarm and get the O2 going."
Huh? You can't hold your breath for more that 2 seconds at 30,000 feet?
Doesn't pass the smell test. I used to skydive, and we would jump at 14,000 or so, no oxy needed unless you spent more than 15-20 minutes at altitude.
Posted by: West at March 13, 2014 11:46 AM (1Rgee)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 13, 2014 11:46 AM (bitz6)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 11:46 AM (rDidD)
First, why hijack a plane that was going on a flight of this length? If they wanted to fly the plane into a high-visibility target in Kuala Lumpur, why would they wait so long after takeoff to do anything about it? Why wouldn't they hijack a flight that was staying closer to home? The 9/11 hijackers didn't hijack flights inbound from London; they hijacked flights out of Boston.
And if these were foreign nationals hijacking the plane -- Chinese or what have you -- why hijack a Malaysian airliner? It's not like other countries don't have major airports, too. It would be quicker to hijack a plane in Turkey to get it to Iran, or in India to get it to Pakistan, or Japan to get it to China. So why make your life harder than it already is?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 11:46 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 13, 2014 11:46 AM (SY2Kh)
Not going to make a difference for "war footing".
Posted by: Al at March 13, 2014 11:46 AM (9ynpo)
STENDEC
Late 1940's disappearance of a BOAC airliner in the Andes. Last known transmission was "STENDEC" before all contact lost. Searchers turned up nothing for years. The plane simply vanished with a few dozen (?) people on board.
UFO abduction was the reason for a series of magazines (ala LOST).
Late 90's hikers came across wreckage and body parts. It was the lost airplane, apparently before we knew as much as we do now about jet-streams, the pilots were WAY off course and crashed into a vast snow field which then entombed the plane. Only until the glacier melted and gave up the evidence did we know.
One wouldn't think this could happen but obviously it did. We're just not the masters of our universe we sometimes think we are.
Posted by: Arizona Mike at March 13, 2014 11:46 AM (tPznV)
Cell phones: Jammed during hijacking then collected
Passengers: Some shot, some held for later ransom
Plane: Zombie's bomb
Posted by: Daybrother at March 13, 2014 03:33 PM (NJVBQ)
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Sounds reasonable. Plus, as I said yesterday, there's numersous corrupt governments in that area that, given enough sweet Saudi cash, would be more than glad to hide a plane and it's passengers.
A night landing at one of these countrie's major airports would go unnoticed.
Posted by: Soona at March 13, 2014 11:46 AM (Wz9US)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2014 11:46 AM (CpbrP)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 11:46 AM (VtjlW)
a cat.
Posted by: Schroedinger[/i][/b][/s] at March 13, 2014 11:47 AM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 13, 2014 11:47 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Rob Banks at March 13, 2014 11:48 AM (ODr92)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 13, 2014 11:48 AM (aDwsi)
A lot of reasons. To prevent a surge from damaging it when the alternators or generators kick in, if it's squawking a different code then the one you have it set to, for airplanes operating within range of a class B airports tower but practicing at a different airport, etc., etc.
Posted by: lowandslow at March 13, 2014 03:44 PM (IV4od)
Plus when you're changing settings digit by digit you don't want it squawking out codes until you're finished.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 13, 2014 11:48 AM (XkotV)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 11:48 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 11:49 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Chris Mathews Finding a New Tingle. at March 13, 2014 11:49 AM (/rlXg)
Pilots panicking wouldn't include turning off the transponder.
How about pilots are in on it, and they release something into the cabin to make people fall asleep, while they steal away. There are gonna be dozens of movies and books if this thing is never found.
a ?. What does a Boeing 777 cost?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 13, 2014 11:49 AM (gorVZ)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 13, 2014 11:49 AM (659DL)
Doesn't pass the smell test. I used to skydive, and we would jump at 14,000 or so, no oxy needed unless you spent more than 15-20 minutes at altitude.
Posted by: West at March 13, 2014 03:46 PM (1Rgee)
You're assuming that the crew knew they were about to enter an oxygen-free zone and needed to hold their breaths.
Panic is, as I said about, a strange animal. Nothing teaches that lesson like drown-proofing.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 13, 2014 11:49 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Black Widow Terrorist Trainer at March 13, 2014 11:49 AM (C94J7)
"Why in the holy hell does the pilot have a switch "Transponder" in the first place?"
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Transponders are regularly changed by the pilots. They transmit a 4 digit number to ID on radar, and this number will change based on the ATC being communicated with. The pilots make these changes.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2014 11:50 AM (CpbrP)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 11:50 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 11:50 AM (rDidD)
Posted by: gp at March 13, 2014 11:50 AM (mk9aG)
Posted by: Killerdog at March 13, 2014 11:50 AM (MbTc0)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 13, 2014 11:50 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 11:51 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 13, 2014 11:51 AM (qyfb5)
True enough, but in aviation that's not the term. In aviation, it's
[crushed AAF officer's cap off]
Fate Is The Hunter.
[crushed AAF officer's cap back on]
Posted by: Ernest K. Gann at March 13, 2014 11:51 AM (xq1UY)
Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 11:52 AM (zOTsN)
Maybe from some outside human error easily checked but if they've got the right log from the right engine at the right time that's pretty definitive unless it's spoofed.
Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 13, 2014 11:52 AM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 11:52 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Rob Banks at March 13, 2014 11:53 AM (ODr92)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 11:53 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 13, 2014 11:53 AM (RZ8pf)
big difference between 14000 and 30000 oxygen levels.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 03:50 PM (rDidD)
We're only talking about a couple of hundred feet here.
Posted by: Sheila Jackson Lee at March 13, 2014 11:53 AM (mETGQ)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 11:54 AM (rDidD)
The problem is probably not the amount of air in your lungs, but the partial pressure of oxygen and tissue permeability at the reduced pressures.
Posted by: West at March 13, 2014 11:54 AM (1Rgee)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 13, 2014 11:54 AM (CpbrP)
Posted by: Rob Banks at March 13, 2014 11:55 AM (ODr92)
What are the chances that the suspected maneuvers were carried out intentionally, and very slowly, so as not to alert the passengers? MA370 then flew west, across the narrowest part of the Malay peninsula, cleared any radars, then headed southeast to a point on Sumatra.
Sumatra has more than a few Islamic radicals, and plenty of unobstructed, uninhabited and available flat space, at least on the western side.
Posted by: Arbalest at March 13, 2014 03:43 PM (FlRtG)
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Yes. It was at night. So any number of hijacking scenarios could be carried out without anyone but ATC's noticing.
Posted by: Soona at March 13, 2014 11:55 AM (Wz9US)
Posted by: Boeing at March 13, 2014 11:55 AM (dJt67)
Posted by: palooka at March 13, 2014 11:56 AM (N6t4x)
Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 13, 2014 11:56 AM (r7mtu)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 13, 2014 11:57 AM (aDwsi)
A little late to the thread, but Fen, please know that I am very sorry for your loss. Unfinished lives are really tough on the survivors!
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 13, 2014 11:57 AM (o3MSL)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 11:57 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 11:57 AM (rDidD)
No, it's just an on/off switch on it. In most cases the avionics/radios are wired on a separate buss then the rest of the electrical so I'm sure something probable tripped the entire avionics buss circuit breaker, or they inadvertently shut off all the avionics or for some other reason it lost all avionics buss power. I don't think anyone physically just shut off the transponder.
Posted by: lowandslow at March 13, 2014 11:58 AM (IV4od)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 03:53 PM (84gbM)
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Pilots train for this. So do flight attendants. Even sudden depressurization. I find this scenario lacking.
Posted by: Soona at March 13, 2014 11:58 AM (Wz9US)
You know, a mark against the 'stolen/hijacked' theory is this:
It would have to land somewhere. In a country. Which would have to allow it to land.
If that aircraft was later used for terror, there's a clear-cut, no-shit state-sponsor directly involved. I don't think too many states are willing to operate that openly.
Of course, they've got a three-year free-fire zone set up, so maybe...
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 13, 2014 11:58 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 13, 2014 11:59 AM (aDwsi)
Lawnmower man wasn't just a dumb swampbilly. He had three separate accents.
He puts on the Forrest Gump when he's talking to the 2012 cops, giving them directions. Then when they blow him off, he finishes "my family's been here a long time" with a much more patrician accent. And when he's horsing around with retard girl sister he does a Jared HarrisMad Men accent.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 13, 2014 03:12 PM (A0sHn)
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The scene Lawnmower Man was watching on TV before doing his impersonation was with Cary Grant and James Mason in North by Northwest. I think he was trying to do Grant, but it wasn't spot-on, so maybe it was Mason he was going for.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 13, 2014 12:00 PM (IN7k+)
Went down on 1 Jan 2007. Suspected crash site found on 7 Jan 2007. 9 Jan 2007 crash site was confirmed on ocean floor. And this was a 737 that went down in Indonesia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Air_Flight_574
And Boeing says the satellite transmitter directive does not apply to the Malaysian 777-200ER since this model of the plane did not have this installed.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2014-03-05/pdf/2014-04547.pdf
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 13, 2014 12:00 PM (o9ypU)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 12:00 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 13, 2014 12:01 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: gp at March 13, 2014 12:01 PM (mk9aG)
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 13, 2014 12:01 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 13, 2014 12:03 PM (71K6B)
http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/the-727-that-vanished-2371187/?no-ist
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 13, 2014 12:03 PM (o9ypU)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 03:57 PM (rDidD)
Y5, taking a breath and then holding that breath at sea level is a far cry from taking a breath at 30000+ feet and holding that breath at 30000+ feet.
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 13, 2014 12:03 PM (o3MSL)
Posted by: gp at March 13, 2014 04:01 PM (mk9aG)
They do. There's a 24bit code (I believe) that hard-coded to the transponder/aircraft. The pilots can set the flight id part of the return info. And since the flight id can change, the pilots need to be able to update it.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 13, 2014 12:04 PM (XkotV)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 13, 2014 04:03 PM (o9ypU)
I love reading about stuff like that. Blows my mind that you can steal a damn plane...
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 13, 2014 12:04 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 13, 2014 12:04 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 13, 2014 12:05 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: gewa76 at March 13, 2014 12:05 PM (k8m83)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 12:06 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Arbalest at March 13, 2014 12:06 PM (FlRtG)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 13, 2014 12:07 PM (aTXUx)
The transponder wasn't meant to be tracking devise for every airplane at all times. It's main purpose is to track the aircraft under enroute IFR and monitor separation in controlled airspace near the airport. If all aircraft were squawking at all times in would be to much for conrollers at center or in the tower to keep track off, the screen would be lit up like Christmas.
Posted by: lowandslow at March 13, 2014 12:07 PM (IV4od)
Posted by: Rob Banks at March 13, 2014 12:07 PM (ODr92)
Posted by: John McCain at March 13, 2014 12:08 PM (k8m83)
http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/the-727-that-vanished-2371187/?no-ist
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 13, 2014 04:03 PM (o9ypU)
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If no debris or any evidence of a crash turns up in the next week, then there's really no place to go but to a well-coordinated plane theft/passenger kidnapping for money or a hijacking for political or other nefarious reasons.
Posted by: Soona at March 13, 2014 12:08 PM (Wz9US)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 12:08 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2014 12:08 PM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 12:08 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2014 12:08 PM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 12:10 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: Rob Banks at March 13, 2014 12:11 PM (ODr92)
Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2014 12:13 PM (u2a4R)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Express_Flight_705
Luckily the flight crew was man enough to survive being bludgeoned and everything else to keep the plane aloft and to subdue their attacker. So the DC-10 did not crash.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 13, 2014 12:14 PM (o9ypU)
Posted by: Frank at March 13, 2014 12:16 PM (7Nabg)
They know, they just don't want to frighten us chickens.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at March 13, 2014 12:16 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 12:16 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 12:17 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Countrysquire at March 13, 2014 12:18 PM (LSJmV)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 12:18 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 12:19 PM (rDidD)
posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 04:16 PM (rDidD)
Thank you.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 13, 2014 12:19 PM (fwARV)
I'm looking at the basics here. At this point, there's absolutely no evidence that the plane has crashed. I'm going with the hijack theory until proven otherwise.
Why? Just because of the nature of the demographics of that area.
Posted by: Soona at March 13, 2014 12:20 PM (Wz9US)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 13, 2014 12:21 PM (659DL)
Posted by: stace at March 13, 2014 12:21 PM (9PXzx)
Condolences Fen,
It's pause-worthy to look around the boat and realize no one will see you if you get into trouble sometimes. Slowed my yank the trolling motor up on a windy day a few times.
Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 13, 2014 12:21 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Rod Serling at March 13, 2014 12:23 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Very sorry for this, Fenelon.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at March 13, 2014 12:24 PM (baL2B)
They know, they just don't want to frighten us chickens.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at March 13, 2014 04:16 PM (baL2B)
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And the passengers. We know that jihadis don't care about that and would think nothing of killing them. What evidence? Flts. 93, 11, and 175, among others.
Posted by: Soona at March 13, 2014 12:25 PM (Wz9US)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 13, 2014 12:27 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Jen at March 13, 2014 12:28 PM (JqB3t)
The inside-the-plane part is the easy part as long as you've got the pilots on your side.
Posted by: Al at March 13, 2014 12:30 PM (9ynpo)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 12:30 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 13, 2014 12:34 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 12:35 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 13, 2014 12:37 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Rod Serling at March 13, 2014 12:37 PM (aTXUx)
And it's a transmitter so, off switch.
And it's a piece of electronics so, off switch.
And it could break and start smoking so, off switch.
etc... so, off switch.
Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 13, 2014 12:37 PM (DL2i+)
Late to thread.....
let me add to the tin foil....
Iranians now control this plane and has been squirrelled away on a remote south Pacific island. Raw Plutonium or a Nuke is placed aboard. All crew and passengers are killed.
A flight to LA is chosen at a later date. That flight will be hijacked and splashed in the middle of nowhere while the current missing plane with its payload will assume the flight plan of the newly downed plane. Transponders have been reprogrammed to mimic that flight and the plane unsuspectingly enters LA airspace and..... well..... you all can finish the story. BOOM.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 13, 2014 12:38 PM (nELVU)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 13, 2014 12:42 PM (XyM/Y)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 12:49 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: Jprs at March 13, 2014 12:51 PM (YQ4mh)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 13, 2014 12:51 PM (XyM/Y)
I originally thought the co-pilot would be the rogue, since he was younger, but having read that he was just transitioning to 777s, I vote for the pilot being the rogue , with help from (Iranian) conspirators in the cabin to keep the passengers in line. It just strikes me as damned odd that this guy had his own simulator, a very expensive piece of equipment. Was he spending his off-time figuring drag and fuel consumption at low altitude? Did he wait to do this until he had a completely inexperienced 777 pilot in the other seat?
Posted by: Tired Wench at March 13, 2014 12:51 PM (HGPVQ)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 12:53 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at March 13, 2014 01:05 PM (/djtm)
Posted by: Chillin the most at March 13, 2014 01:14 PM (gxtMZ)
Yeah, Fenelon...this has got to be pure hell for the relatives of the passengers and crew.
The 'not knowing' is worse than knowing.
Because you have that little bit of hope to cling to, keeping you from starting to deal with the grief.
Sorry you had to go through that.
Posted by: wheatie at March 13, 2014 01:17 PM (8quPO)
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Just last night at church a woman was telling us about a friend who's 18 year old daughter just disappeared yesterday. She took 3 items (clothing I think but I didn't hear that part) but left her cell phone on the bed. They think she ran away but don't know for sure.
Also, I think often about Michelle Malkin's cousin (or was it neice) who disappeared a couple of years ago. That must be very hard to deal with.
Posted by: Mayday at March 13, 2014 01:22 PM (eHc+1)
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Perhaps the simulator was for training others.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 04:53 PM (DmNpO)
It is pretty wild that Morons probably know more than the "experts." The Maylasian people seem to be running around in circles, as plane has been in several seas and gone west now east. Big things in ocean seen on Chinese radar are "nothing" just big things.
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