1 I remember Sebastian Junger had just interviewed Massoud, and his assassination seemed like a bad portent.  No idea, of course, how bad a portent it would turn out to be.

2
1st

3 I'm still expecting the country to be run by the Taliban again (or them under a new name SSDD) within 5 years of us pulling completely out.

4 Afghan voters turned out in large numbers Saturday for historic presidential and provincial elections, undeterred by racist voter ID laws, which discriminate against people with brown skin and the poor.


O_O

5 If Massoud trusted him, that's a good sign that he's not a complete shit stain

6 No matter who wins I'm sure Preznit Prissypants will manage to piss him off within just a few minutes.

7

Massoud would have made for an excellent ruler of North Afghanistan, but I don't know if he could ever have really won over the Pashtuns in the rest of the country.

8 Wow, Peaches Geldorf was found dead.

9

"See, wonderful people are coming to practice democracy," she said  behind a burqa. "We are not afraid of the threats.

 

FIFM

10
Both candidates say they will sign the bilateral security agreement, which is needed to maintain American aid and a limited U.S. military presence in Afghanistan once the international coalition's current mandate expires in December. Mr. Karzai has infuriated Washington by refusing to complete the deal.

heh.  Creating FSAs wherever we go.  People love the govt cheese worldwide.

11 The most important part of elections isn't getting new people in, it's getting the old people out, safely, easily, without a bloodbath.

12 Karzai had backed a candidate named Rassoul.


From the League of Shadows?

13 Yep that makes 3 Mickey Rooney John Pinette Peaches Geldorf who's next?

14 Karzai had gone so far as to ask his own brother to back out of the race, to clear a path for Zuul Rassoul. I am the Keymaster!

15 The vote to control fifty miles around Kabul.

16 Sure is nice to see that Afghanis are more competent in getting a valid ID to vote than US citizens.

17 Forget it, Ace. It's Afghanistan.

18 How soon before we have warlords here in the US?

19 This is all nice and everything, but it's about 50 years too soon. Afghan society has just made the leap from goat fucking to young boys. Electicity, roads, written language, sanitation and a number of other amenities come before free and open democratic elections. We could have installed a strongman dictator 3 weeks after the inital invasion and effectively would have had the place under control. Why do we waste time and hundreds of billions on follies like this?

20 spypeach, you've got the best hash!


LOL!

21 But it's not fair to have to show an ID, we won't be able to cheat.

22 We could have installed a strongman dictator 3 weeks after the inital invasion and effectively would have had the place under control.


Yeah, that was Karzai and look how that worked out.

23 How soon before we have warlords here in the US? Posted by: EC at April 07, 2014 02:14 PM (GQ8sn) Hold on... what's AtC?

24 Main thing I care about in Afghanistan is reducing the fertility rate. That's the main thing I care about in most of Africa, too. Look at a map of fertility rate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate These are your future neighbors. Gonna be a lot of Afghans, Nigerians, and Somalis heading our way. And the Democrats will meet them at the border with a Food Stamp and Medicaid application already filled out.

25 I'd advocate bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age but they're already there.

26 We should have invaded, pounded the Taliban into the dust, slaughtered all we found, then left the rubble still bouncing and said "good luck rebuilding. Don't do it again."
I'm fine with humanitarian aid being sent to countries in need after a disaster, like "pissing off the US enough to be attacked" but not staying there and fixing it. And not government aid, either.

27 what's AtC?

Posted by: RWC at April 07, 2014 02:16 PM (fWAjv)

Not a warlord.  She's a noble.

28

The vote to control fifty miles around Kabul.

 

A couple of years ago Petraeus (I think) released a pretty detailed survey of the amount of Afghanistan the NATO forces controlled.  It was approximately the exact footprint of NATO installations.

29

>>>Both candidates say they will sign the bilateral security agreement, which is needed to maintain American aid and a limited U.S. military presence in Afghanistan once the international coalition's current mandate expires in December. Mr. Karzai has infuriated Washington by refusing to complete the deal.

 

Anybody wanna check infowars' take on the elections?

 

/sarc

30 Give all the various tribes plenty of small arms and ammo and allow them to vote with their trigger fingers.

31 What jwest said, democracy isn't natural to this culture.

32 Mickey Rooney John Pinette Peaches Geldorf I thought they had to be successively more famous to be a "rule of three" set. Peaches Geldorf? Other than being Bob Geldorf's daughter, and a sometime TV presenter, is she famous? I'd say Rooney is more famous than the other two.

33

Not a warlord. She's a noble.

 

I thought we were going with "Kahleesi"

34 But what are their views on buttfucking??

35 Wow.  Peaches Geldof was only 25!

36 Dick "Halliburton" Cheney's fault. Amiright?! /s

37 If I was the ruler of a shithole 3rd world country I'd attack the US damn quick. That way you invade me and build me new airports, stadiums, shopping malls, etc..

38 Yeah, that was Karzai and look how that worked out. Posted by: EC at April 07, 2014 02:16 PM (GQ8sn) Karzai was a compromise for people who thought he bridged the gap between the 6th century and New York metrosexual. I'm talking about an old style, off with their heads kick ass dictator who knows how to rule. All this PC shit has watered the available dictator pool down.

39 25 I'd advocate bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age but they're already there. Posted by: Dr Spank at April 07, 2014 02:17 PM (P1WNR) But they are only mere millennia away from the Paper Age and the Scissors Age, aren't they?

40

>>>How soon before we have warlords here in the US?

 

Already do, in some respects. Anybody who can threaten organised violent action to achieve a goal. Maybe Sharpton qualifies...?

41 A couple of years ago Petraeus (I think) released a pretty detailed survey of the amount of Afghanistan the NATO forces controlled. It was approximately the exact footprint of NATO installations. Given how many of NATOs forces love to be involved in child buggery, does NATO even control its installations?

42 I take it Peaches Geldof is Bob's daughter? Is she famous in her own right? Never heard the name, as far as I know.

43 CIA World Factbook actually suggests Afghan's fertility rate has fallen a lot since the invasion. From over 7 kids per woman to 5.4 now. Except for Afghanistan, pretty much all the other countries with fertility rate over 5 are in Africa. African population is gonna boom like crazy. UN researchers actually just had to up their population estimates cause the fertility rate was higher than they projected. They projected it to start coming down by now. It hasn't. Always hear about starving kids in Somalia. Maybe if they didn't have 6 kids each, they might have enough food.

44 If I was the ruler of a shithole 3rd world country I'd attack the US damn quick.

That way you invade me and build me new airports, stadiums, shopping malls, etc..

 

Posted by: RWC at April 07, 2014 02:20 PM (fWAjv)

 

Basically the plot of the movie The Mouse That Roared.

45 The Taliban's push to control Afghanistan shouldn't be viewed as aggression. It's more like an act of love.

46 Send mor chikins.

47 How soon before we have warlords here in the US? Already do, in some respects. Anybody who can threaten organised violent action to achieve a goal. Maybe Sharpton qualifies...? Any random "shot caller" in a gang is a de-facto warlord.

48 Other than being Bob Geldorf's daughter, and a sometime TV presenter, is she famous?

She's famous for being famous, because someone in her family was famous first.

49 But what are their views on buttfucking?? Hopelessly traditional.

50 "Basically the plot of the movie The Mouse That Roared."
And book, yeah I was just thinking that.

51 This was going around today... Mohammad entered his classroom on the first day of school. "What's your name ?" asked the teacher. "Mohammad," he replied. "You're in Ireland now," replied the teacher, "So from now on you will be known as Frank." Mohammad returned home after school. "How was your day, Mohammad ?" his mother asked. "My name is not Mohammad. I'm in Ireland and now my name is Frank." "Are you ashamed of your name ? Are you trying to dishonor your parents, your heritage, your religion ? Shame on you !" And his mother beat him. Then she called his father, who beat him again. The next day Mohammad returned to school. The teacher saw all of his bruises. "What happened to you, Frank ? she asked. "Well shortly after becoming an Irishman, I was attacked by two fucking Arabs."

52 When George W. Bush abandoned his original campaign-trail stance against getting the U.S. stuck in "nation-building" nonsense abroad, and started trying to build a nation in Afghanistan where there really hasn't been a cohesive nation ever even once in thousands of years, I predicted failure.

Failure at an extremely high cost financially, and in the lost and shattered lives of many of our nation's best.

I still have that marker down.

Because I actually DO believe it's possible to "nation-build", to turn backward shitholes into modern nations. It's been done. I just don't think it is possible to do so in places like Afghanistan without forcibly extirpating (or at least forcibly driving back into remote shadowed corners) the Islamic religion.

Whereas Bush and his brain trust declared that "Islam is a religion of peace!" from the get-go. Politically-correct, culturally-sensitive, _Star Trek_ Prime Directive bullcrap.

Inherently flawed premises will destroy any plan no matter how detailed said plan may be, no matter how expensive said plan is, and no matter how many lives are wasted attemping to implement it.

53 More Rubble, Less Trouble. Colin Powell was a left-wing idiot. There is no "you break it, you buy it" principle of international conflict. Punitive Wars are short, sweet, and effective. Kill their men, break their shit, tell them to stop or we'll come back and do it again.

54 Afghani goat farmer can get a picture id to vote, but LIV's can't.........

55 Time to go watch that creepy-ass Boomtown Rats video. Whenever I hear Geldof's name I can't get it out of my head until I purge it with the I Don't Like Mondays video.

56

>>>I'm talking about an old style, off with their heads kick ass dictator who knows how to rule.

 

Yeah that was Saddam and look how that turned out

57 Largely smoothly?   Doesn't sound quite right.

58 Game of Thrones  with far less nekkid people.   That we know of. 

59

Costanza,

 

Yeah, not really concerned re Africa's population.

 

Mexican birthrate in 1970s was 7 per woman.  Now it's under replacement rate.  Fertility trends are highly flexible.  More "civilized" country becomes, more birthrate plunges.

 

America is one of few first world countries that bucks the trend. 

60 34 But what are their views on buttfucking??

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 02:19 PM (tVTLU)

 

Pashtuns are known for pederasty, if I'm not mistaken.

61 52 When George W. Bush abandoned his original campaign-trail stance against getting the U.S. stuck in "nation-building" nonsense abroad, and started trying to build a nation in Afghanistan where there really hasn't been a cohesive nation ever even once in thousands of years, I predicted failure. Failure at an extremely high cost financially, and in the lost and shattered lives of many of our nation's best. I still have that marker down. Posted by: torquewrench at April 07, 2014 02:23 PM (noWW6) GWB knew, knew there was a pony in that pile of bullshit somewhereÂ…

62 I saw Largely Smoothly open for Oingo Boingo at CBGB's in '82.

63 60 34 But what are their views on buttfucking?? Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 02:19 PM (tVTLU) Pashtuns are known for pederasty, if I'm not mistaken. Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2014 02:26 PM (DrWcr) They even made Hawwy Weid an honorary Pashtun!

64 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

65 "I guess that's just Afghanistan..." Heh. A goat in every bedroom and a cap in every ass.

66 Afghani goat farmer can get a picture id to vote, but LIV's can't......... We need to adopt the purple ink on the finger method. No mail-in votes unless you can prove hardship. 100% transparent vote-keeping and counting. If you find votes in a trunk, we execute you and the people responsible for keeping the chain of custody.

67

I will give John Kerry credit for one great line.  "How do you ask a man to be the last one to die for a mistake?"  Killing all the Al Qaeda and getting the Taliban out of power took about six weeks, and handful of special forces, and a shitton of bribes.

 

What lasting accomplishment will there be from the blood of thousands of U.S. soldiers after that?

68 It's okay, my thetan is now free and L. Ron and I are traveling the Milky Way.

69 In the Americas, the only countries with crazy high birth rates are Haiti, Bolivia and Guatemala. Though they'd be low for most of Africa.

70 Yeah that was Saddam and look how that turned out Posted by: Bigby's Kung Fu Grip at April 07, 2014 02:25 PM (3ZtZW) We worked with Saddam for a number of years, just as we did with Shah of Iran. Good times.

71 What lasting accomplishment will there be from the blood of thousands of U.S. soldiers after that?

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 07, 2014 02:28 PM (JtwS4)

 

Preventing another 9/11?

72 It's okay, my thetan is now free and L. Ron and I are traveling the Milky Way. You'd better check the price tag on that thetan again, Peaches honey.

73 62 I saw Largely Smoothly open for Oingo Boingo at CBGB's in '82. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 07, 2014 02:26 PM (zF6Iw) Since you're into large and smooth, here ya go: http://goo.gl/gAeo7D

74

What lasting accomplishment will there be from the blood of thousands of U.S. soldiers after that?
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 07, 2014 02:28 PM (JtwS4)

Preventing another 9/11?

 

*After* the first round of vermin clearing.  We retained the capability to destroy terror training camps.  Are we going to leave behind a stable civil society that will discourage mischief?

75

What lasting accomplishment will there be from the blood of thousands of U.S. soldiers after that?
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 07, 2014 02:28 PM (JtwS4)
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Preventing another 9/11?

 

Posted by: polynikes

 

------

 

 

I doubt it.

 

76 Preventing another 9/11? Possibly, but that's essentially the same trick the Obama-heads use when they claim that without Obama, the economy would be eleventy times worse than it is.

77 Since you're into large and smooth, here ya go:

http://goo.gl/gAeo7D

Posted by: M. Jagger at April 07, 2014 02:30 PM (vFh9Q)

Put more ass on that lass!

78 Really? It took All That to prevent the next group of just 20 jihadists with an elaborate plan?

79

They don't officially sanction buttfucking and marrying three dudes and a goat????

 

Those intolerant bastards.  Bomb them now.

80

>>>We worked with Saddam for a number of years, just as we did with Shah of Iran. 

 

Not at all equivalent, those two

81
"opposition leader Abdullah Abdullah..."




"Silly Party."

82 Abdullah's too soft on social issues. Just kidding! But see, right there? I compromised on social issues. You can't say I NEVER compromised on social issues to win an election. From now on, I can truly say "I know when to bend on social issues to win, and this is not such a time." MUHAHAHAHAA

83 Abdullah Abdullah do you do the fandango?

84 They don't officially sanction buttfucking and marrying three dudes and a goat???? Officially, no. But, I know what you mean. Wink, wink.

85 If you find votes in a trunk, we execute you and the people responsible for keeping the chain of custody.

It moved...

86 34 But what are their views on buttfucking?? Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 02:19 PM (tVTLU) The Pashtun are notorious for bf'ing boys. So much so that the Taliban were welcomed when they first came in specifically because they stopped (or at least severely minimized) the sexual abuse of young boys by the Pashtun.

87
Preventing another 9/11?
Posted by: polynikes




About that...

Posted by: The 7 July 2005 London bombings

88 I wonder if Carter and UN Elections Team are gonna give a ruling on this?

89 Preventing another 9/11?

Possibly, but that's essentially the same trick the Obama-heads use when they claim that without Obama, the economy would be eleventy times worse than it is.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2014 02:31 PM (qKrH5)

 

Trick?  If we would have left after six weeks, the Taliban and their guest terrorist camps would have been up and running the country again.  We would never have been able to have the intelligence we have now in Pakistan.  We have used Afghanistan and Iraq as a  possible staging area for Iran keeping them in check.   I'm saying none of those soldiers died in vain.  

 

 

90 80 >>>We worked with Saddam for a number of years, just as we did with Shah of Iran. "Not at all equivalent, those two" Probably a lot closer than you might think. The Shah didn't take any shit while he was in power, but everything was done with a bit more discretion than Saddam. Saddam had "rape rooms". Ted Kennedy had private dining rooms and waitress sandwiches. All depends on how good your publicist is.

91 Since you're into large and smooth, here ya go:

http://goo.gl/gAeo7D

Posted by: M. Jagger at April 07, 2014 02:30 PM (vFh9Q)

 

Dayum.

92

Posted by: The 7 July 2005 London bombings

 

Pakis, mostly home grown.

93 So just a quick anecdote here to illustrate the futility of trying to fix Trashcanistan without first fixing the culture and religion that helped ruin it in the first place:

There was an interview in _Macleans_ with a Canadian military doctor who came home from the 'Stan with suicidal PTSD. He still is glad he went, he defends the Western role there, but this one story really illustrates the unbridgeable cultural divide.

"Q: Tell me about the man who came asking for a shovel."

"A: He showed up at a forward operating base with a woman in a pickup truck The guard bent over and saw that she wasnÂ’t dead. The medic said we can fix her up. But the guy said, no, sheÂ’s dead. WeÂ’re going to bury her. And they left without the shovel. It was only when we got back that we understood that she had probably been lapidated [ritually stoned] and they were going to bury her. The medic who told me the story thought it was the funniest thing, that they were going to bury her alive. And I thought, oh my God, this country is really screwing us up."

So my own assessment is pretty simple: if anyone thinks they can "nation-build" while amicably partnering with locals like the guy driving the pickup truck? That's sheer lunatic politically correct fantasyland.

Anyway, if anyone wants the full interview, it's here:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/kb9zde7

94 Bad Part? All the major contenders have said they would Sign the US status of Forces Agreement... The one that Obama wants that would only leave 10K troops there (not enough to do shit except be a target). Oh.... and of course... as soon as one wins we will then proceed to try to buy Him off with foreign aid.... Problem is, that you don't buy friends, you only rent them.

95 42 I take it Peaches Geldof is Bob's daughter? Is she famous in her own right? Never heard the name, as far as I know. Movin' to the country, gonna eat me a lot of peaches...

96 46 Send mor chikins. Posted by: Goats at April 07, 2014 02:22 PM (P1WNR) I've previously mentioned that other than a few cases I'm finishing up, I no longer am doing sex assaults. Today I was assigned a goat rustling case. Good times. Good times.

97 Since you're into large and smooth, here ya go: http://goo.gl/gAeo7D Posted by: M. Jagger at April 07, 2014 02:30 PM (vFh9Q) Put more ass on that lass! Posted by: EC at April 07, 2014 02:33 PM (GQ8sn) No!!!! If they do, Thailand will sink.

98

>>>Pakis, mostly home grown.

 

AKA Skunk Pakis

99 Anyway, if anyone wants the full interview, it's here: Pretty fucked up....

100

I'm in a quandry about Afghanistan.  I want to say leave and never look back.  But I'm afraid of the total vacuum that leaves in the entire ME region. 

 

I just don't know.

101

So... I never heard of Peaches Geldof.  Until now.  Which doesn't do her a whole lot of good, I suppose.

 

What I'm wondering though, is the funeral.  Do you think they'll play that song?  I mean, she died  today... right? 

102 Warlord has a nice ring to it. A resume enhancer

103 We would never have been able to have the intelligence we have now in Pakistan. We have used Afghanistan and Iraq as a possible staging area for Iran keeping them in check. I'm saying none of those soldiers died in vain. All reasonable points. But whether we stopped another 9/11 is unknowable.

104 "We have used Afghanistan and Iraq as a possible staging area for Iran keeping them in check."

Holy shit, and here I thought we have had Iranian-backed militias and proxies running completely amuck all over the Middle East the entire time, creating massive havoc.

While Iran continues to forge resolutely forward not only with a nuclear weapons program, but also dual-capable satellite boosters capable of serving as quite nice improvised intercontinental ballistic missiles.

But they're safely "in check" despite all this. Whew! What a relief!

105 Preventing another 9/11? Posted by: polynikes at April 07, 2014 02:29 PM (m2CN7) The one that was planned by Saudi Arabians.... and carried out by Saudi Arabians? The Bush admin was like a Kid playing Whack a Mole.... when the way you really stop that game is to unplug the damn thing... But to do that, you have to admit that Islam is the problem...

106 I just don't know.

Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2014 02:41 PM (GedtH)

 

Takes a wise man to say I don't know.   What's ironic is you're from Oklahoma.

107

We would never have been able to have the intelligence we have now in Pakistan.

 

Intelligence in Pakistan?  The place that sheltered Bin Laden and imprisoned the local who tipped us off?  Where we can't transport our ex-Afg gear overland to ports?  That Pakistan?

108

This is how I knew GWB was fucking on the way wrong track.

 

He kept talking about democracy democracy democracy.

 

Yeah, we want to rely on the majority rule of a bunch of illiterate goat fuckers and their slave wives to come up with a government that works.

 

It's a REPUBLIC mother fuckers.  A democracy is the poison that slowly results in the RINO progressive dreams.

 

Yes, the blood of our sons is worth some goat fucker having separation of powers and a bicameral legislation.  What a great fucking mission.

 

No, the mission should have been to kill and dismantle islamic radical goat fuckers all over the globe.  Fuck nation building.  Fuck democracy.  Kill them all.

 

And if the country goes to shit again after the first time we killed a shit ton of them, then we go back in and kill some more until they get the fucking idea.  I give a flying fuck about the purple thumbs of goat fucking islamic radical pieces of shit.

 

Not worth our money.  Not worth our blood.  Humanitarian relief, whatever, I'm for that.  I'm not worth putting our people on the ground to prop up a government and society for goat fuckers. 

109 Hey, Fleetwood Mac is going to tour this year with Christine McVie. First Kate Bush is touring, now Christine McVie is back in the FM fold...what next, a Renaissance reunion?

110 Takes a wise man to say I don't know. What's ironic is you're from Oklahoma. It's okay, I'm a Cob too. Just south of the border.

111 Ace's new girlfriend: http://goo.gl/5Mmrcl

112 When I advocate for a dictator, I'm not saying the guy has to be a native of the country he's going to rule. Hell, I'd put it up for bid. Let a few billionaires put their proposals in and see what develops. Once you've got a few billion, the only thing left to accomplish is to have life and death power over millions of people. You don't even get that being an HOA president. They could get investors and give away titles and lands, just the way it evolved over centuries.

113

Recently returned from Afghanistan, my son Jacob saw a lot of ugly things in that place.  He was especially upset by the way women and children (and even animals such as dogs) are treated by the Afghan culture as a whole. He and I talked about it a few days ago and he wondered aloud if it was worth it, especially since some of his buddies were wounded, another killed during his deployment.

 

I told him I thought it was worth it. If we've accomplished little else, we've given the Afghans the opportunity of a choice, the first choice they've had in millenia, if ever:  to be free or not. Whether or not they choose rightly is entirely up to them.

 

As an aside, Karzai is/has been a disgrace by any cultural or historical measure. Whatever progress the people of Afghanistan make, it will have been in spite of and not because of him and his corrupt family. Afghanistan needed a Washington or a Lincoln. Instead, they got...what they got, which wasn't much.

114 ot The new New Yorker cover is going to make you spitting mad (but, don't let it do that to you. Just use it for target practice.) http://tinyurl.com/pe4urk4 “The whole enterprise was just an elaborate excuse. I enjoyed drawing Ted Cruz, John Boehner, and Michele Bachmann as petulant children – and I especially wanted to draw an open-mouthed Mitch McConnell being spoon-fed his meds.” The JEF spoon feeding them. Not kidding.

115 Are they still killing each other over stupid shit, there?  Good.  That's the same thing I say about those vibrant inner city neighborhoods where the R.I.F. bus goes.

116 Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 02:45 PM (tVTLU) I would tie all future foreign Aid to one simple concept.... You have to Enact, and STICK TO, a Bill of Rights... including Freedoms of Speech, Property, Equal Rights for women, Freedom of RELIGION... Otherwise.... no US Government Aid...

117 a sampling from 100 key polling places seems to indicate the public has had enough of the Karzai regime.



They're not alone.



Good for them.  



If someone other than Karzai's successor gets elected I sincerely hope he'll tell the Tali's to go screw their goats some more    before   proceeding to slaughter the stone age primitives     by the wagonload.  


A girl can dream, yeah?

118 You have to Enact, and STICK TO, a Bill of Rights... including Freedoms of Speech, Property, Equal Rights for women, Freedom of RELIGION... Otherwise.... no US Government Aid... Sounds racially motivated to me.

119 Intelligence in Pakistan? The place that sheltered Bin Laden and imprisoned the local who tipped us off? Where we can't transport our ex-Afg gear overland to ports? That Pakistan?

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 07, 2014 02:44 PM (JtwS4)

 

Why  is  it  all  or  nothing with so many here at aos?   About everything.  

120

<i>"It was theorized back then that this was a prepatory move by the Taliban, knowing that the US attack which would surely follow would probably involve first making common cause with the Northern Alliance."</i>

According to Steve Coll, in "Ghost Wars," the hit was done by AQ as a present to the Taliban, a sort of "thanks for letting us use your territory" deal. The Talibs tried forever to get Massoud, and only UBL was able to make that happen.

121 "Yes, the blood of our sons is worth some goat fucker having separation of powers and a bicameral legislation. What a great fucking mission."

I'm not even sure we have separation of powers and bicamerality any longer, save at a pretend Potemkin-village level.

122 One more time, for the record: when George Bush said he was opposed to "nation building" he was referring to Clinton's "lets go and fix places" policy of using the military. As in "ooh, Yugoslavia is fighting, we can fix that!" and "ooh, Somalia is a mess, we can fix that" from his father.
That does NOT mean "we invaded your country and flattened it, so we'll pay to fix it up."
People never seem to grok that.

123 “The whole enterprise was just an elaborate excuse. I enjoyed drawing Ted Cruz, John Boehner, and Michele Bachmann as petulant children – and I especially wanted to draw an open-mouthed Mitch McConnell being spoon-fed his meds.” "The whole enterprise was just an elaborate excuse to curry favor with Our Communist Overlords. I enjoyed being a useful idiot for The Regime - and I especially will enjoy the sweet, sweet accolades, awards and promotions, not to mention cocktail party invitations, that will now come my way."

124

Why is it all or nothing with so many here at aos? About everything.

 

It's not all or nothing.  I'm unaware of the intelligence value we've received from Pakistan.  Would love to learn.

125 actually i believe Afghansitan used to be pretty modern universities , woman wore dresses etc but before russia became involved in 70s?

126 However this turns out - SCOAMT takes the credit. 'cause that's just how he rolls.

127

117 -

 

Are stone age primitives people from the  stone age who were more primitive than normal stone agers? 

 

 

128 Afghanistan even*

129 “The whole enterprise was just an elaborate excuse. I enjoyed drawing Ted Cruz, John Boehner, and Michele Bachmann as petulant children – and I especially wanted to draw an open-mouthed Mitch McConnell being spoon-fed his meds.”

The JEF spoon feeding them. Not kidding.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 07, 2014 02:46 PM (IXrOn)

 

People like this cartoonist are Obama-fellating cultists.

130 Holder: We Want to Explore Gun Tracking Bracelets DOJ requesting $2 million for ‘Gun Safety Technology’ grants freebeacon headliner “By making them either through finger print identification, the gun talks to a bracelet or something that you might wear, how guns can be used only by the person who is lawfully in possession of the weapon.” “It’s those kinds of things that I think we want to try to explore ...

131 It was like a lot of now hardcore Muslim countries such as Iran and Egypt. They were moving into the future, before radical Islam took over.
Whatever we accomplished in Afghanistan has now been destroyed by the present administration, and our guys have got to come home. Its way past time, but I suspect Obama is reserving that for about August this year to announce. Which is why I think the GOP should be out in front of it calling for the soldiers to come home now, shouting about the high casualty rate and failure of the Obama Afghanistan policy loud and often.

132 125 actually i believe Afghansitan used to be pretty modern universities , woman wore dresses etc but before russia became involved in 70s? My understanding is that the monarchy the English set up was the most stable Afghanistan ever was. It ended in the 70s.

133 actually i believe Afghansitan used to be pretty modern universities , woman wore dresses etc but before russia became involved in 70s?

Posted by: willow at April 07, 2014 02:51 PM (nqBYe)

 

If you have not seen the Kite Runner,  it is a very good movie that shows a different way of life before  the Taliban became involved. 

134 Are stone age primitives people from the stone age who were more primitive than normal stone agers? You primitive-ists are triggering my micro-aggression.

135 I would tie all future foreign Aid to one simple concept....

You have to Enact, and STICK TO, a Bill of Rights... including Freedoms of Speech, Property, Equal Rights for women, Freedom of RELIGION...

Otherwise.... no US Government Aid...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2014 02:47 PM (84gbM)

 

 

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It's not going to happen then.  The muzzie faith is the antithesis to all of that.  And that country is made up of muzzies.

 

I'm glad they get to vote for their preferred muzzie, but he's still a muzzie.

136 artisanal 'ette at April 07, 2014 02:52 PM (IXrOn) they just cannot help themselves. hope they come in many beautiful colors so they will not clash with clothing for spring i would like a crisp white with flowers, of course the floral will have to also be varied in color from day to day. I hope this will be paid for like Obamaphones

137

125 -

 

It's been analyzed to death, and since it's been, there's not much point talking about it anymore.  The Wahabbists have ascended in the Muslim world.   Where they are in control,   all  the  good  that came before them is lost. 

138 None of this would have been necessary if we hadn't been so russophilic in the 80's.

139 including Freedoms of Speech, Property, Equal Rights for women, Freedom of RELIGION

We don't even get those things here.

140 Things have a tendency to find their way to new awfulnesses.

Word.

141

Torquewrench:

 

Change goat fucker to buttfucker, and put it in America, and I completely agree.

 

folks, we had a full scale revolution for being wronged by a government in much smaller ways in the late 1700s.

 

I wonder how long the tree continues to grow without some blood in the roots.

142 Whatever we accomplished in Afghanistan has now been destroyed by the present administration, and our guys have got to come home. Its way past time, but I suspect Obama is reserving that for about August this year to announce. Which is why I think the GOP should be out in front of it calling for the soldiers to come home now, shouting about the high casualty rate and failure of the Obama Afghanistan policy loud and often. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 07, 2014 02:53 PM (zfY+H) Not only come home now, but, to say NOT by such and such date (the window TFG would use for political stake claiming).

143 "One more time, for the record: when George Bush said he was opposed to 'nation building' he was referring to Clinton's 'lets go and fix places" policy of using the military.'"

That shithead Clinton! Sending our service members in to deliver humanitarian aid to the utterly worthless and ungrateful Somalis. To "fix" Somalia. What an utterly brain-dead misuse of our military. What a pointless waste of lives.

Oh. Wait. That wasn't Clinton. That was Poppy Bush.

::: Emily Litella voice :::

Never mind.

144 Bevel, yes i do remember seeing a much more modern Afghanistan somewhere. Polynikes, i haven't seen kiterunner, is it good?

145 Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2014 02:55 PM (GedtH) then cool.... we would not put a few Billion dollars worth of debt on my Son's Credit card...

146 “The whole enterprise was just an elaborate excuse. I enjoyed drawing Ted Cruz, John Boehner, and Michele Bachmann as petulant children – and I especially wanted to draw an open-mouthed Mitch McConnell being spoon-fed his meds.”
So the left wants to affirm their own prejudices. Knock me over with a shibboleth.

147 130

Holder: We Want to Explore Gun Tracking Bracelets

DOJ requesting $2 million for ‘Gun Safety Technology’ grants

freebeacon headliner

“By making them either through finger print identification, the gun talks to a bracelet or something that you might wear, how guns can be used only by the person who is lawfully in possession of the weapon.”

“It’s those kinds of things that I think we want to try to explore ...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 07, 2014 02:52 PM (IXrOn)

 

More incrementalist anti-2d Amendment bullshit, designed to price people out of gun ownership.

148 Just went to FB, the top Trending Story is the Rand Paul-on-Dick Cheney story.

149 Posted by: HR at April 07, 2014 02:56 PM (ZKzrr) Yeah... I know.... and everyone is worried about election fraud over there... When a State HERE just found something like 32,000 people who had voted in both their State, and another State, last election. Note... that is larger than the difference in some of the recent elections...

150 “It’s those kinds of things that I think we want to try to explore ... Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 07, 2014 02:52 PM (IXrOn) Use the feds and police as guinea pigs first though.

151 for spring i would like a crisp white with flowers, of course the floral will have to also be varied in color from day to day. I hope this will be paid for like Obamaphones Posted by: willow at April 07, 2014 02:56 PM (nqBYe) I was thinking, all of those "decision makers" around the table (or swingset) probably have multi-colored bracelets on, now, while they are talking about this groovy idea. A green one for green energy, a pink one, a rainbow colored one, ... Someone looked at their wrist and said "I got an i-deare!"

152

Posted by: torquewrench at April 07, 2014 02:57 PM (noWW6)

 

Hey Bush hater, Clinton was first , Bush just followed up. 

153 The genius of Obama was that he recognized that instead of Afghanistan becoming more like America, America needed to become more like Afghanistan. https://tinyurl.com/l7qv34w And it's happening.

154 24 .... These are your future neighbors. Gonna be a lot of Afghans, Nigerians, and Somalis heading our way. And the Democrats will meet them at the border with a Food Stamp and Medicaid application already filled out. Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 07, 2014 02:16 PM (ZPrif) Don't forget the party registration and first five ballots.

155

Torquewrench:

 

Ah yes, pappy Bush, this fucking guy is the one who started up the process of disarming our MILITARY on fucking MILITARY BASES.

 

These are the types of leadership we need.  This fucking guy couldn't even get reelected after serving Reagan's third term.

156 Yeah... I know.... and everyone is worried about election fraud over there...

When a State HERE just found something like 32,000 people who had voted in both their State, and another State, last election.

Note... that is larger than the difference in some of the recent elections...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2014 03:00 PM (84gbM)

That was NC. 

The "other" state has not been mentioned in any news story I have seen, and I've been looking.

157

The Wahabbists have ascended in the Muslim world.

 

One of the references I love for perspective on modern Islamism and its ancient values is Lawrence's "Seven Pillars of Wisdom".  He mentions Wahabism once, as a fringe "heretic cult".

158 "Oh. Wait. That wasn't Clinton. That was Poppy Bush."
...which I said, in plain English, about 7 words after you stopped quoting. Your point?

159 Note... that is larger than the difference in some of the recent elections... Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2014 03:00 PM (84gbM) Election fraud and creeping sharia "laws."

160 "One of the references I love for perspective on modern Islamism and its ancient values is Lawrence's "Seven Pillars of Wisdom". "
I have tried to find that and read it several times but its no where in town for me to check out. Maybe I can find it online to read. The quotes I've read have been wonderful.

161 More incrementalist anti-2d Amendment bullshit, designed to price people out of gun ownership. Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2014 02:58 PM (DrWcr) Intimidation and Red Scarletting.

162 And the Democrats will meet them at the border with a Food Stamp and Medicaid application already filled out. Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 07, 2014 02:16 PM (ZPrif) I saw a headline where one of the states is enrolling convicts in obamacare. So yeah - I see it.

163 "My understanding is that the monarchy the English set up was the most stable Afghanistan ever was. It ended in the 70s."

Gosh, in the '70s. Right around the time that the Saudis nationalized ARAMCO and jacked the price of oil through the roof, got incredibly rich, and started using that flood of money to underwrite Islamic agitation everywhere they could find.

Let's note also that while the UK were some of the most successful imperialists in history, they managed that with an iron fist inside the velvet glove. Including using measures on the locals that the pearl-clutching, fainting-couch class would _never_ countenance today.

Churchill wrote in the 1920s about what he called the "excellent moral effect" of using airplanes to dispense mustard gas over the encampments of troublesome Iraqi tribes.

164

Okay, you meant Bush I.    

165 have multi-colored bracelets on, now, while they are talking about this groovy idea. A green one for green energy, a pink one, a rainbow colored one, ... Someone looked at their wrist and said "I got an i-deare!" Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 07, 2014 03:00 PM (IXrOn) that is likely, however they didn't notice how the bong they were passing around clashed with their carpeting.

166 That was NC. The "other" state has not been mentioned in any news story I have seen, and I've been looking. Posted by: EC at April 07, 2014 03:01 PM (GQ8sn) From what I read... 23 States have volunteered their voter rolls.... So those votes were scattered amongst 22 other States... Which means the total is certainly higher.... if ALL the States would cooperate with the effort... And of course you didn't hear much about it... the MSM and Political Parties do NOT want to talk about this.

167
My My My My ...... wheeeeeeew

Ma-ma-ma- My Sharia....

168 More incrementalist anti-2d Amendment bullshit, designed to price people out of gun ownership. Hack/backdoor = blue screen of death. Gun no workey = paperweight.

169 And of course you didn't hear much about it... the MSM and Political Parties do NOT want to talk about this.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2014 03:04 PM (84gbM)

Yup.

The local news station has it buried on their online website.  You have to dig to look for it.

170 If you look back through history you can see that the colonies that the English set up are still the most free, stable, and profitable countries in their region. Ones set up by other nations... not so much. For all their faults, the English did have a good empire, and they did try to run it well instead of only use the resources and people for their riches.

171 I saw a headline where one of the states is enrolling convicts in obamacare. So yeah - I see it. Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 07, 2014 03:03 PM (BZAd3) As they come out of prison.... Great news. Kentucky jail signing up exiting inmates for Obamacare one of Jazz Shaw's over at HotAir

172 “By making them either through finger print identification, the gun talks to a bracelet or something that you might wear, how guns can be used only by the person who is lawfully in possession of the weapon.” “It’s those kinds of things that I think we want to try to explore so that we can make sure that people have the ability to enjoy their Second Amendment rights, but at the same time decreasing the misuse of weapons that lead to the kinds of things that we see on a daily basis,” Holder said. Fuck you you chinless weasel Australia http://tinyurl.com/n7j2rrj More Australia http://tinyurl.com/pnbd7z3 Israel http://tinyurl.com/pdv8pyt Brazil http://tinyurl.com/mz6qpqh and on and on and on..

173 Hack/backdoor = blue screen of death. Gun no workey = paperweight.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2014 03:05 PM (xorT2)

 

That too.  They were also talking about putting GPS and RFID in them, which would make it a lot easier to target gun owners, now, wouldn't it?

174 Polynikes, i haven't seen kiterunner, is it good?

Posted by: willow at April 07, 2014 02:57 PM (nqBYe)

 

I thought it was.   Of course made from the book of the same name. 

175 then cool.... we would not put a few Billion dollars worth of debt on my Son's Credit card...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2014 02:57 PM (84gbM)

 

 

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I think if we'd accept the fact that most people in the ME aren't going to change their ways, we'd be much better off.  If we stay, I'm hoping that it's just for the fact of having a presence their to ward off any large-scale attack on the US......and to keep Iran  somewhat in check.

 

It's never going to be a perfect set-up as the situation stands now.  If we get a prez and a congress that could put nukes back on the table and have the guts to actually use them, then  we might be  able to bring  everyone back.

 

Until then, my gut tells me we should stay.  My mind says otherwise.

176 Shar--iii---aa   Shar--iii---aaa  Baaa-by
Shar--iii---aa, Won't you come out to-nite
Come, come, come out to-niii-iiite

177 This is OT, but it's just so much fun to    laugh at Ronan Farrow, don't you think?


MSNBCÂ’s Supposed Savior Now Leaving It Up to Viewers to Tell Him What Stories to Cover

PJ Tatler: http://tinyurl.com/nw3pouj


...Farrow said, “Welcome back to the program everybody. Now it is your chance to tell us which under-reported story you want us to cover next. You can send your nominations on twitter and Facebook using the hash tag #RFDunder and I’m hearing from the control room right now, what we’re getting. We have chatter about the polio-like virus spreading in California. Some requests for Venezuela updates, and some interest in congressional hearings on sunscreen. All right. Because Kurt Vonnegut did not say, always wear sunscreen. Keep quoting. We’re going to be right back.”...



I wonder   if anyone on   Ronan's staff noticed that   "#RFDunder" reads, if you're reading it quickly, as "#RF Dunder."    It's oddly fitting, really.

178 "Over the past number of years, the majority has called up a bill and then immediately filed cloture as if we were filibustering, when we don't have any intention to filibuster. All we want is to be able to call up amendments," Hatch said last week. "But, in addition to filing cloture, the majority will fill the tree, making [it] impossible for anyone to call up an amendment. Frankly, this is not the way to run the Senate."

179 So Holder wants you to have to have fingerprint ID to use a gun but no ID at all to vote. Got it.

180 That too. They were also talking about putting GPS and RFID in them, which would make it a lot easier to target gun owners, now, wouldn't it? Drone strike.

181 130 Holder: We Want to Explore Gun Tracking Bracelets DOJ requesting $2 million for ‘Gun Safety Technology’ grants freebeacon headliner “By making them either through finger print identification, the gun talks to a bracelet or something that you might wear, how guns can be used only by the person who is lawfully in possession of the weapon.” “It’s those kinds of things that I think we want to try to explore ... Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 07, 2014 02:52 PM (IXrOn) Sure. Let Federal agents go first.

182

I saw a picture yesterday of a voting area in Afghanistan.  Every one in the very long line held up their ID for the photo.

 

But I am suppossed to believe that a person in the US is too poor, uneducated, and disadvantaged to be able to obtain a legal ID.  Curiously enough, this same individual collects other government benefits that require ID but strangely can't produce one for voting.

183

If you look back through history you can see that the colonies that the English set up are still the most free, stable, and profitable countries in their region. Ones set up by other nations... not so much. For all their faults, the English did have a good empire, and they did try to run it well instead of only use the resources and people for their riches.

 

I saw a talk by Niall Ferguson several years ago in which he was pushing the notion that America is and empire and should just deal with it.  His point was that the British Empire was a system, the foreign service officers, bureaucrats, engineers came from a whole culture that practiced successful empire.  Left a lot of good behind.

184 one of Jazz Shaw's over at HotAir Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 07, 2014 03:06 PM (IXrOn) Saw the headline, didn't read it. Torture me, that's my story.

185 Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2014 03:07 PM (GedtH) 10 K troops... with the restrictive ROEs we now have??? They would be nothing but targets. Putting troops there, just to have troops there... with no real mission except a Political one of being seen??? Sorry.... I would not want my Son put in that position.

186 Sorry.... I would not want my Son put in that position.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2014 03:09 PM (84gbM)

 

I hear that.

187 >>pushing the notion that America is and empire and should just deal with it<<



Problem is, America is not an empire, much as the Left accuses us of Imperialism.

Maybe we _should_ do a little empire building, if we're going to be accused of it constantly

188 what next, a Renaissance reunion?

Damn, you're hep. I thought that was a sad joke there, for a moment.
The cruise leaves from Miami today. Several of them are still alive. Thanks.

189 KGB Major: Do you want to see me? Colonel Ernesto Bella: Yes... yes. Go to the sporting goods store. From the files obtain forms 4473. These will contain descriptions of weapons, and lists of private ownership.

190 Seven Pillars of Wisdom


http://www.gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100111.txt

191 Holder: We Want to Explore Gun Tracking Bracelets I'm surprised he didn't say that was the underlying purpose for Fast and Furious - you know, not just muddy the water but shit in, bottle it and then sell it as soda pop.

192 Damn, you're hep. I thought that was a sad joke there, for a moment. The cruise leaves from Miami today. Several of them are still alive. Thanks. Renaissance is on the Prog Cruise? Cool. Is that The Cruise To The Edge? Wish I could afford that cruise.

193 Problem is, America is not an empire, much as the Left accuses us of Imperialism.

Maybe we _should_ do a little empire building, if we're going to be accused of it constantly

Posted by: Sphynx at April 07, 2014 03:11 PM (OZmbA)

 

I say we should invade France. It's been done, I know, but a little more French humiliation would make me feel better about the whole Imperialism project.

194 RFID in them, which would make it a lot easier to target gun owners, now, wouldn't it? Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2014 03:07 PM (DrWcr) Chiappa went the RFID route. Don't see too many of them these days. (although they gave instruction on how to remove it after they stepped in it.)

195 "Maybe we _should_ do a little empire building, if we're going to be accused of it constantly"
Yeah, the USA is no empire. People keep saying we are, without any logical justification. Having global influence does not equal empire. Empires have vassal states and colonies, not just power.

196 I saw a talk by Niall Ferguson several years ago in which he was pushing the notion that America is and empire and should just deal with it. His point was that the British Empire was a system, the foreign service officers, bureaucrats, engineers came from a whole culture that practiced successful empire. Left a lot of good behind.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 07, 2014 03:08 PM (JtwS4)

 

 

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Don't forget the French or the Dutch.

 

The US is the only nation  in history where a world-dominate power didn't try to build a physical empire. 

197 Later this week, Obama will travel to New York and appear in a Manhattan hotel ballroom at the side of the man whom FBI agents primarily referred to as “CI-7”--short for confidential informant #7--in secret court filings. In those documents, investigators vouched for him as a reliable, productive, and accurate source of information about underworld figures.

The ex-informant has been one of Obama’s most unwavering backers, a cheerleader who has nightly bludgeoned the president’s Republican opponents in televised broadsides. For his part, Obama has sought the man’s counsel, embraced him publicly, and saluted his “commitment to fight injustice and inequality.” The president has even commented favorably on his friend’s svelte figure, the physical manifestation of a rehabilitation effort that coincided with Obama’s ascension to the White House. This radical makeover has brought the man wealth, a daily TV show, bespoke suits, a luxury Upper West Side apartment, and a spot on best seller lists.

Most importantly, he has the ear of the President of the United States, an equally remarkable and perplexing achievement for the former FBI asset known as “CI-7,” the Rev. Al Sharpton.

198 "I saw a talk by Niall Ferguson several years ago in which he was pushing the notion that America is and empire and should just deal with it. His point was that the British Empire was a system, the foreign service officers, bureaucrats, engineers came from a whole culture that practiced successful empire. Left a lot of good behind."

Having a "whole culture that practiced successful empire" required a culture that was proud of itself, thought it was better than other cultures, and was willing to use force to get rid of practices of those other cultures of which it disapproved.

I refer you to the statement by Gen. Charles Napier in India when his British imperial administration made illegal the hideous practice of _sati_, and there were protests. That it was "customary".

"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And we will follow ours."

I would aver that a successful imperial culture must have the spine to do and say such things. And since weak, distracted, politically correct, culturally sensitive modern America, which can't even agree on whether its own culture is any good, does NOT have that spine, modern America has no business trying to engage in imperial adventures abroad.

Even imperial adventures with the very best of humanitarian intent. They just won't work out well.

199 noodie kazoo

200 Nood

201

>>>By making them either through finger print identification, the gun talks to a bracelet or something that you might wear, how guns can be used only by the person who is lawfully in possession of the weapon.”

 

Bwahaha any decent armorer can bypass that. Its like Mencius Moldbug's idea of remotely disarming platoons in case of insurrection, just plain idiocy

202 Well, we had vassal states. Took them. Then, we nation-built 'em.
Who here is volunteering to "take up the white man's burden"?
Empires are a lot of bloody work, they are. Often not that satisfying.

203 >> since weak, distracted, politically correct, culturally sensitive modern America, which can't even agree on whether its own culture is any good, does NOT have that spine, modern America has no business trying to engage in imperial adventures abroad<<


Or, for that matter, waging war.  We identified that was the problem with our failure in Viet Nam.  We corrected it for a while.  But the anti-war crowd and the incessant media hand wringing revived it after a couple years in Iraq and Afghanistan.

204 10 K troops... with the restrictive ROEs we now have???

They would be nothing but targets.

Putting troops there, just to have troops there... with no real mission except a Political one of being seen???

Sorry.... I would not want my Son put in that position.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2014 03:09 PM (84gbM)

 

 

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Of course 10k is too small and the ROE's are stupid.  When I say a presence I mean at least a division and the air power to back that up.  Plus, if the indiginous peoples decide to act up, it's Katy-bar-the-door.  Blow the fuckers up.  It could be done easily if anyone in DC had any balls.

 

Like I said.  I'm really split on this.

 

 

 

 

205 Or, for that matter, waging war. We identified that was the problem with our failure in Viet Nam. We corrected it for a while. But the anti-war crowd and the incessant media hand wringing revived it after a couple years in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Posted by: Sphynx at April 07, 2014 03:21 PM (OZmbA)

 

 

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The MFM.  They should burn.

206 But the anti-war crowd and the incessant media hand wringing revived it after a couple years in Iraq and Afghanistan. Posted by: Sphynx at April 07, 2014 03:21 PM (OZmbA) It was as much political failures, as well. Wars should be for eradicating enemies. Only after the enemies are eradicated, should the country try to do other things, like nation building. And the military should never be used to build nations. Since this country is inclined to keep pumping vast quantities of capital into the worthless U.N. - let the U.N. nation build. (better to get out, but...) None the less, the Marshall Plan shouldn't be a defacto policy for every time we go to war. People tired of the wars because we stopped killing the enemy too quickly. If we would limit war to killing the enemy, we wouldn't be fighting wars very often.

207 Democracy is a learning process.

208 Depopulate the hills and put them in concentration camps until they learn to be nonviolently different. Worked in the American Southwest.

209 It's good that they'll vote against the Taliban , but will they fight against the Taliban ?

210 Putting aside the threat of bombings, the Afghans also have voter ID. 

Where's  the useless UN and their US fans on this latter outrage??!!

211 I wonder where I can find a sticker for my car that says "Don't bomb me, I voted for Abdullah Abdullah."

212 I just hope that Our Treasure wasn't wasted there.