March 24, 2014

Report: Remains of Aborted & Miscarried Babies Being Burned as Garbage in UK Hospitals, Sometimes for Biofuel Conversion into Heat
— Ace

A gruesome detail about hospital practices in the UK, reported by the Telegraph.

Allahpundit (first link) considers the various possible positions of the pro-choice on this report. In the comments, there's also something of an argument between those on the pro-life right: Some assert that focusing on the remains of a baby post-abortion is focusing on the wrong thing entirely, as, at that point, there isn't a strong pro-life interest in the dead (apart from affording the dead dignity in death).

In other news of the abortion debate: An atheist posts at Patheos why she is pro-life, basing her objection to abortion on humanist grounds.

Posted by: Ace at 08:58 AM | Comments (565)
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1 This story continues to bring tears to my eyes and make me physically ill.


RIP, little ones.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 08:58 AM (4df7R)

2 Just stay the hell out of the hospital cafeteria and you'll be fine.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 24, 2014 08:59 AM (8ZskC)

3 Global warming.

Posted by: NCKate at March 24, 2014 08:59 AM (y7PFk)

4 Understanding that human remains are not trash is one of the dividing lines between civilization and barbarity.

Posted by: Votermom at March 24, 2014 09:00 AM (GSIDW)

5 Thos babies died because Bush lied!

Posted by: Questionmad at March 24, 2014 09:00 AM (1Y+hH)

6 Dead babies aren't as eco-friendly as solar but we're still willing to throw a few billion at the idea.

Posted by: Henry Chu, A Nobel Laureate at March 24, 2014 09:00 AM (8ZskC)

7 Repeated from earlier this morning: 1. Baal is alive and well. 2. Jesus is coming back soon. With a bullwhip. There will be running and screaming. 3. Do not respond to the idiot that will appear here. You know who I mean.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 24, 2014 09:01 AM (659DL)

8 : Some assert that focusing on the remains of a baby post-abortion is focusing on the wrong thing entirely, as, at that point, there isn't a strong pro-life interest in the dead (apart from affording the dead dignity in death).



Of course there's a strong pro-life interest in the dead;   especially when those dead have never had a chance to live outside the womb.   If we allow   these babies to be treated as, literally, nothing more than garbage, then there is no reason for anyone to believe that they were something MORE than garbage when they were still in utero.   It merely reinforces the   barbaric   idea that   an unborn baby is just a clump of tissue,   with no more   right to consideration   of its personhood than    an amputated limb.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 09:01 AM (4df7R)

9 Once again, I deem Obama voters to be medical waste.  I think there'd be beautiful irony in converting them into global warming. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 24, 2014 09:01 AM (Ec6wH)

10 uk is adopting sharia law http://tinyurl.com/ltf9qwo they really have gone down the toilet

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at March 24, 2014 09:02 AM (u8GsB)

11 Nincompoopery I say!!

Posted by: questionmannnnnnnn at March 24, 2014 09:02 AM (GjPnA)

12
.... wonders if they store the "summer harvest" to use in the winter.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 24, 2014 09:02 AM (nELVU)

13 considers the various possible positions of the pro-choice on this report. You can get more fuel out of them as eight-year-olds, ya know...

Posted by: Barry O'Douche, "Three Trimesters Is Not Enough!" at March 24, 2014 09:02 AM (FcR7P)

14 They've gone from figuratively passing their children through the fire to Baal/Mammon to literally doing so.

Posted by: imp at March 24, 2014 09:02 AM (OKpiK)

15 Ace

Relax, jwest explained it all perfectly already.


Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 24, 2014 09:02 AM (si68n)

16 It might not be Soylent Green (yet), but at least it is fuel efficient.

Posted by: The Green Party at March 24, 2014 09:02 AM (IN7k+)

17 Speaking of a wasteland .. like TV ...

Now Apple is reportedly talking to Comcast about building a new streaming-TV service with special access to the "last mile" of Comcast's cable pipes. Apple wants a dedicated lane of Comcast's cable highway, separated from the public Internet, to guarantee smoother streaming for its content. This is a bit like paying to drive in the HOV lane during rush hour. In exchange, Apple is also reportedly requesting a sliver of Comcast's cable fees.

Posted by: Frankie Goes TV at March 24, 2014 09:02 AM (e8kgV)

18 Are we sure this isn't happening here too?  After Gosnell, we already know the abortion industry here shares the same lack of respect for the bodies of the aborted that the NHS is showing.

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 24, 2014 09:03 AM (sjdRT)

19 I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's being done in the US too.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 24, 2014 09:03 AM (XyM/Y)

20 The latest Gallup poll suggests that 19% of those identifying as atheist, agnostic, or of no religious affiliation also identify as pro-life. Look out the SOCONS have infiltrated Ace's Atheists!!!!

Posted by: tasker at March 24, 2014 09:03 AM (RJMhd)

21 When can I get my conversion kit?

Posted by: Prius Owner at March 24, 2014 09:04 AM (FcR7P)

22 This sounds like one of those stories that ends up being false. I hope so anyway. And Ashleigh Banfield was heard to say on CNN a few minutes ago that, "The plane is inside the ocean". You're missing out on the galactic stupid by not watching Banfield Ace. She says the most jaw droppingly stupid shit you can possibly imagine.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 24, 2014 09:04 AM (oFCZn)

23 uk is adopting sharia law

http://tinyurl.com/ltf9qwo

they really have gone down the toilet

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at March 24, 2014 01:02 PM (u8GsB)



It breaks my heart.   It    really,   genuinely breaks my heart.   One of the bastions of   Western    culture and learning   being   devolved   to a barbarian     shithole.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 09:04 AM (4df7R)

24 19 I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's being done in the US too. -- Aborted babies are probably being disposed of as medical waste in USA, I agree.

Posted by: Votermom at March 24, 2014 09:04 AM (GSIDW)

25 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 24, 2014 09:04 AM (PYAXX)

26 Solient Brown - we only need to stop burning the dead babies to keep the lights burning and use them for dried dog food to complete the dream of socialized medicine.

Posted by: Jiminajam at March 24, 2014 09:04 AM (ufCDr)

27 Posted by: Frankie Goes TV at March 24, 2014 01:02 PM (e8kgV)


And receiving the Obliviously Obtuse Comment of the Year Award is...

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 24, 2014 09:05 AM (8ZskC)

28 Tanned, rested, and ready, bitchez!

Posted by: Moloch at March 24, 2014 09:05 AM (DrWcr)

29 Ou est la vache?

Posted by: tasker at March 24, 2014 09:05 AM (RJMhd)

30 The Nazi's used to mercilessly beat any poor Jew who referred to the victims to be burned in the ovens or pits as victims. They were told that they were to call them "rags" or "wood" or "dreck." The Left is the Left is the Left.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 24, 2014 09:06 AM (olDqf)

31 I don't think this is a pro-life issue, so much as it is a "have you no decency" issue.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 24, 2014 09:06 AM (PYAXX)

32 You can get more fuel out of them as eight-year-olds, ya know...

Posted by: Barry O'Douche, "Three Trimesters Is Not Enough!" at March 24, 2014 01:02 PM (FcR7P)


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Fuel???   FUEL????


Thats like pouring 15 year old McCallan single malt into a gas tank!!!


What a waste of a perfectly good 8 year old.

Posted by: Harr Reid - Pederest Inc at March 24, 2014 09:06 AM (nELVU)

33 Ou est la vache?

Posted by: tasker at March 24, 2014 01:05 PM (RJMhd)



The cow says moooooooooooo!

Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 09:06 AM (GQ8sn)

34 don't go into a cold hospital to deliver your baby in the uk actually...don't go into a hospital in the uk for any reason.....they are plug pullers of the first order...and they don't change the sheets..gross....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at March 24, 2014 09:06 AM (u8GsB)

35

Abortion on demand people are fucking nazis.

 

Go fuck yourself if you think the GOP should drop defending babies' lives from the party platform.

 

That is all.

 

Posted by: prescient11 at March 24, 2014 09:07 AM (tVTLU)

36 saw it this morning. Was afraid to alert the Horde. How? That's the question. Who? That's the second question. How completely fd in the head do you have to be to do this? How vile can someone become?

Posted by: tangonine at March 24, 2014 09:07 AM (x3YFz)

37 Certainly if the children weren't aborted in the first place, their bodies wouldn't be consigned to the flames, but the real question should be- would you do the same to a child that didn't survive in the NICU?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 24, 2014 09:07 AM (PYAXX)

38 David Cross used to do a skit about this on Mr. Show. There is a wing of the Left who really does think there is nothing wrong with using aborted babies as a fuel source. They think that all the wingnuts just need to get over the weirdo, socon, sky god superstitions about dead bodies. Fuel is fuel. Big deal. Many environmentalists want to ban burials. They push cremation hard.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 09:07 AM (ZPrif)

39 This has to be the most gruesome story of the year.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 24, 2014 09:07 AM (T2V/1)

40 These socialists sure are predictible

Posted by: derp at March 24, 2014 09:07 AM (q+zA9)

41 You know a subject is really sick when I can't make jokes out of it in black humor. The world would probably be better off if pretty much all decision-makers associated with the National Health were subject to their own policies such as the Liverpool Pathway.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 24, 2014 09:07 AM (APuJ7)

42 34 don't go into a cold hospital to deliver your baby in the uk actually...don't go into a hospital in the uk for any reason.....they are plug pullers of the first order...and they don't change the sheets..gross.... Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at March 24, 2014 01:06 PM (u8GsB) In Soviet Amerikkka, plug pull YOU!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 24, 2014 09:07 AM (olDqf)

43 This sounds like one of those stories that ends up being false. I hope so anyway.


The Telegraph has some of the actual numbers, and the NHS    apparently had enough faith in them to immediately ban the practice. 


Not that that means a damn thing.   The NHS also says you're not supposed to let your patients die of dehydration   while   trapped in their hospital beds,    yet it happens   in the UK with    gruesome frequency.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 09:08 AM (4df7R)

44 33 Ou est la vache? Posted by: tasker at March 24, 2014 01:05 PM (RJMhd) The cow says moooooooooooo! Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 01:06 PM (GQ8sn) ************** Oops j'oublie les canadians....

Posted by: tasker at March 24, 2014 09:08 AM (RJMhd)

45 Where does all this end? Nationalizing health care makes you more of a number and less an individual. Disposable, based on the numbers (cost).

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 09:08 AM (A98Xu)

46 Oops j'oublie les canadians....

Posted by: tasker at March 24, 2014 01:08 PM (RJMhd)


LOL!  Even the ex-pat ones.



Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 09:08 AM (GQ8sn)

47 In the comments, there's also something of an argument between those on the pro-life right: Some assert that focusing on the remains of a baby post-abortion is focusing on the wrong thing entirely, as, at that point, there isn't a strong pro-life interest in the dead (apart from affording the dead dignity in death). I'm still attempting to parse this sentence.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2014 09:08 AM (7ObY1)

48 I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's being done in the US too.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 24, 2014 01:03 PM (XyM/Y)

 

 

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Ten or fifteen years ago, an abortionist was caught  burning  aborted babies on the shore of a lake.  This was ten  or fifteen years ago.  Think of the coarsening since then.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2014 09:09 AM (6RUDX)

49 God help us when baby fuel comes to the US....keeping the white house at 80 degrees in the winter.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at March 24, 2014 09:09 AM (u8GsB)

50 My cousin gave birth to a premature baby, barely 5 months old. After she died, she was given a Jewish burial and headstone a year later.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 24, 2014 09:09 AM (olDqf)

51 The Humanist argument is a reasonable one. It applies just as well to Slavery as to Abortion.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 24, 2014 09:09 AM (bb5+k)

52 The only difference between what is happening there and what is happening here is that we may not be using dead babies for heating fuel. Notice I said, "may not be".

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 24, 2014 09:09 AM (jlm/B)

53 Serious question:



How exactly are aborted babies disposed of here in the US?



Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 09:09 AM (GQ8sn)

54 Yeah, if you're an atheist for humanist reasons - I circle around there myself - it's hard to be pro abortion. In fact logic demands the pro life position maybe even more for humanists than for Believers (as such). Of course what you believe in has an influence; christianity is inherently pro life, islam isn't, judaism puts some weight on the life and future fertility of the mother iirc.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 24, 2014 09:09 AM (Ysbcl)

55 I flew to China on baby fuel. Suck it, peasants.

Posted by: Moochelle Antoinette at March 24, 2014 09:10 AM (7ObY1)

56 I don't really doubt this story. Hospitals burn medical waste. The eco-Left has long pushed hospitals to use their medical waste burning facilities as heating source -- the argument is it's ecologically wasteful to just burn the medical waste without using the resultant heat. The Left also wants aborted fetuses declared medical waste, not people. 2+2=4.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 09:10 AM (ZPrif)

57 And somewhere,a faint smile flits across the visage of Kermit Gosnell.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 24, 2014 09:10 AM (si68n)

58 I find this gruesome but not particularly shocking. One has to understand I guess, the mentality of those that engage in abortion. These aren't human remains, but biological waste, so it makes perfect sense that the byproducts of the process, in this case the mutilated victims be treated as such. What do we do with the remains here? Certainly they are not buried or treated with much dignity either. I know it's an extreme example but look at Kermit Gosnell's horror show of an office, dumped down drains, preserved in jars. It's all very sickening, but this is not unexpected.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at March 24, 2014 09:10 AM (n/ogz)

59 46 Oops j'oublie les canadians.... Posted by: tasker at March 24, 2014 01:08 PM (RJMhd) LOL! Even the ex-pat ones. Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 01:08 PM (GQ8sn) ************ When do you guys go the full Putin and takeover? I can't take three more years of you -know-who.

Posted by: tasker at March 24, 2014 09:10 AM (RJMhd)

60 Not that that means a damn thing. The NHS also says you're not supposed to let your patients die of dehydration while trapped in their hospital beds, yet it happens in the UK with gruesome frequency. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 24, 2014 01:08 PM (4df7R) But..but...They had twirly beds and dancing childrens at the London Olympics ceremony!!! This can't be true!!!!!!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 24, 2014 09:10 AM (oFCZn)

61 Abortion on demand people are fucking nazis.

Go fuck yourself if you think the GOP should drop defending babies' lives from the party platform.

That is all.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 24, 2014 01:07 PM (tVTLU)

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Ssshhhhhhhhhhhush!! 


First rule of icky socon issues is we dont talk about icky socon issues....  because.... elections..... or..... something.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 24, 2014 09:10 AM (nELVU)

62 A quick google tells me that Stericycle is one of the companies in the USA that incinerates aborted babies from Planned Parenthood in several states.

Posted by: Votermom at March 24, 2014 09:10 AM (GSIDW)

63 And we wanted to adopt. We just gave up because there were too many flaming hoops and we ran out of $$. I hate humans.

Posted by: tangonine at March 24, 2014 09:10 AM (x3YFz)

64 Words fail me, but outrage does not!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 24, 2014 09:10 AM (o3MSL)

65 Soylent Green doesn't seem so out of the realm of possibilities. John Kerry has said our greatest threat is climate change. If he can say that and not be laughed out of office anything is possible.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 09:11 AM (A98Xu)

66 Ten or fifteen years ago, an abortionist was caught burning aborted babies on the shore of a lake. This was ten or fifteen years ago. Think of the coarsening since then.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2014 01:09 PM (6RUDX)




The    Satanic   Gosnell   kept   the feet of   dead babies preserved in jars in his office.   



Barely even   made the headlines.



But hey, that was just a local news story.  No reason it should be broadcast to the wider world audience.   It might "trigger" someone.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 09:11 AM (4df7R)

67 39 This has to be the most gruesome story of the year. Posted by: Vic at March 24, 2014 01:07 PM (T2V/1) And it's only March.

Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2014 09:11 AM (zoehZ)

68 I can imagine that the abortion fetishists would like a holiday of their own. Maybe a Mother's Day theme. Greeting cards that say 'Dear Mom, thanks for not scraping me out of your uterus and throwing me in the dumpster as so much leftover tofu because I was an inconvenience'.

Posted by: model_1066 at March 24, 2014 09:11 AM (afNM6)

69 Holy fuck at that comments thread on the Patheos article.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 24, 2014 09:11 AM (gBnkX)

70 Thats sick right there, no doubt devolution is nearing critical mass in the country formerly know as Great Britain.

Posted by: Gmac at March 24, 2014 09:12 AM (4pjhs)

71 How exactly are aborted babies disposed of here in the US? --- Good question. In my area, a pro-life group takes custody of the aborted babies and buries them in a cemetery close to the former site of the Delta Women's Clinic in Baton Rouge. They've been doing this for roughly 20+ years, since my teens, as part of their activities against the clinic on its old location off of College Drive in BR and continued doing so even after the clinic moved off of Goodwood Blvd.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 24, 2014 09:12 AM (APuJ7)

72 I can't imagine an aborted fetus throws of many therms.

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2014 09:12 AM (UhUYk)

73 Nothing surprises me anymore..but, fuel? That's a new low for mankind. Even the word, 'mankind' does not fit this. Sickening.

I could be wrong, but I would think even those women, many who really have no clue and/or may be haunted for years for their belief that this baby was a "clump of meaningless cells," would still reel in horror knowing this is used as fuel. I can only imagine the women who miscarried, and were grieving, to learn this.

This is as deviant as Gosnell's method of disposal. Or any abortion clinic, really...to treat babies as if they were rubbish. To use as fuel is another level of hell I cannot contemplate long.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at March 24, 2014 09:12 AM (baL2B)

74 When do you guys go the full Putin and takeover?

I can't take three more years of you -know-who.

Posted by: tasker at March 24, 2014 01:10 PM (RJMhd)


It remains to be seen.



Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 09:12 AM (GQ8sn)

75 Some assert that focusing on the remains of a baby post-abortion is focusing on the wrong thing entirely, as, at that point, there isn't a strong pro-life interest in the dead (apart from affording the dead dignity in death). So, the pro-life right stops being pro-life once the fetus is dead, so focusing on the dead baby doesn't interest pro-lifers unless the focus is on dignity on death, so they should focus on the live fetus that's about to be dead? I mean, I haven't been to a whole lot of pro-life rallies, but that doesn't sound right at all.

Posted by: Moochelle Antoinette at March 24, 2014 09:12 AM (7ObY1)

76 God help us when baby fuel comes to the US....keeping the white house at 80 degrees in the winter..... Makes it easier to identify the enemy & to do what needs to be done.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2014 09:12 AM (h1D+w)

77 Meh. It's a local green energy story.

Posted by: Sarah Kliff at March 24, 2014 09:12 AM (GrXYG)

78 Stupid Drudge.

Bodies can't be burned for heat, GOOGLE IT!!!!111!!

Posted by: jeast [/i] [/b] at March 24, 2014 09:13 AM (5ikDv)

79 Kermit Gosnell is our own (US) bucket of shame.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 09:13 AM (A98Xu)

80 How exactly are aborted babies disposed of here in the US?



Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 01:09 PM (GQ8sn)


First trimester is medical waste.   Bagged and incinerated.


After that.... I dunno.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 24, 2014 09:13 AM (nELVU)

81

fixerupper:

 

And yet we, we are the ones on defense FOR TRYING TO SAVE THE LIVES OF INNOCENT POOR MINORITY-IN-LARGE-PART BABIES????

 

The fact that we have not taken the gloves off and come back swinging every fucking time the issue is brought up is WHY THOSE RUNNING THE SHOW SUCK ASS.

 

How fucking hard is this?????   Do we have absolute fucking retards doing the messaging??

Posted by: prescient11 at March 24, 2014 09:13 AM (tVTLU)

82 Known.... dammit.

Posted by: Gmac at March 24, 2014 09:13 AM (4pjhs)

83 I dunno, I think Allah underplays choice 4: Cognitive dissonance. Lots of pro-choicers (not the militant type, but the passingly so) I know tend not to want to consider what a fetus actually is, because they're simultaneously uncomfortable with the idea that it's just "medical waste" but also unable to process the implications of the idea that it's something more. So they basically block out shit like this. Contradictions abound!

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 24, 2014 09:13 AM (HDwDg)

84 It breaks my heart. It really, genuinely breaks my heart. One of the bastions of Western culture and learning being devolved to a barbarian shithole. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 24, 2014 01:04 PM (4df7R) I pin much of the Societal destruction in THIS nation to the decision to decouple voting and tax payment (Last three words of 24th amendment.) I wonder if Britain allows voting for non-taxpayers? That would explain much. I think disenfranchisement of non-taxpayers is a supporting pillar of functional society.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 24, 2014 09:13 AM (bb5+k)

85 But..but...They had twirly beds and dancing childrens at the London Olympics ceremony!!! This can't be true!!!!!! --- I like Danny Boyle but he can go fuck himself over this one. Doing a Slumdog Millionaire / Busby Berkeley song-and-dance number glorifying the National Health is grounds for Excedrin Headache .45 in a sane world.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 24, 2014 09:13 AM (APuJ7)

86 Some assert that focusing on the remains of a baby post-abortion is focusing on the wrong thing entirely, as, at that point, there isn't a strong pro-life interest in the dead (apart from affording the dead dignity in death).

How we treat our dead reflects on how we treat the living.  You can't separate the two.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 24, 2014 09:13 AM (YQ4mh)

87 That wagyu beef isn't going to cook itself, Barack! Throw some more "cordwood" on there!

Posted by: Moochelle at March 24, 2014 09:13 AM (FcR7P)

88 In before jwest demonstrates his amorality. Some assert that focusing on the remains of a baby post-abortion is focusing on the wrong thing entirely, as, at that point, there isn't a strong pro-life interest in the dead (apart from affording the dead dignity in death). Being pro-life stems from an understanding of the intrinsic dignity and value of human beings, which is why we can be both horrified at abortion and also aghast at the fact that dead babies are being treated as common refuse. Isn't defilement of a corpse a criminal offense? I'm assuming that it's not because the corpse somehow doesn't like being defiled - after all, it is dead. It's because it violates the dignity of humans. There's probably a better word than dignity, but it's not coming to me right now.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 24, 2014 09:14 AM (r+7wo)

89 Soylent Green Energy

Posted by: charleton heston lives at March 24, 2014 09:14 AM (KL6v6)

90 I just don't understand.  I don't think I ever will.  Basically my position is you don't kill people except in self-defense or in defense of the life of the innocent.  Biology says that life starts at conception.  What sort of life is it?  If left unmolested and under reasonably good circumstances it's a human.  Because it's a human, you don't kill it except in self-defense or defense of the life of the innocent.

If you don't want the kid, give it up for adoption. 

Above and beyond all that, you treat human remains with dignity. 

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 24, 2014 09:14 AM (P7Wsr)

91 Why shouldn't atheist be pro-life? The Catholic Church isn't pro-life merely because it is against God's law (though it is). It is pro-life because reason leads them to that only logical conclusion.

Posted by: SH at March 24, 2014 09:14 AM (BrwSr)

92 Ah, I see my twin had already stated my points, only more eloquently.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 24, 2014 09:15 AM (r+7wo)

93 I find this gruesome but not particularly shocking. One has to understand I guess, the mentality of those that engage in abortion. These aren't human remains, but biological waste, so it makes perfect sense that the byproducts of the process, in this case the mutilated victims be treated as such.


And while I agree that that is the mentality of the pro-abortionists, some of the babies who were disposed of in this manner were not aborted; they were miscarried.    That means that these were babies whose parents didn't have a choice in whether the baby    was carried to term and delivered,   and who might have chosen to have the child given a proper burial if they knew that  "cremation"   meant     "being tossed   in the incinerator next to a bag of used   syringes."


That speaks not only to    the deep   depravity of a pro-abortion    mentality,   but to the   overall    lack of basic human decency and   respect for life   that is that mentality's eventual result.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 09:15 AM (4df7R)

94 31 I don't think this is a pro-life issue, so much as it is a "have you no decency" issue. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 24, 2014 01:06 PM (PYAXX) In my opinion, having no decency is a prerequisite for supporting abortion.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 24, 2014 09:15 AM (bb5+k)

95 Well, at least those women weren't punished with a baby.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at March 24, 2014 09:15 AM (Dwehj)

96 On a related note: The Vatican’s chief justice feels that President Barack Obama’s policies have been hostile toward Christians. In an interview with Polonia Christiana magazine –and transcribed by Life Site News — Cardinal Raymond Burke said that Obama “promotes anti-life and anti-family policies.” “It is true that the policies of the president of the United States have become progressively more hostile toward Christian civilization. He appears to be a totally secularized man who aggressively promotes anti-life and anti-family policies,” Burke told the magazine. The former archbishop of St. Louis stated that Obama is trying to “restrict” religion. “Now he wants to restrict the exercise of the freedom of religion to freedom of worship, that is, he holds that one is free to act according to his conscience within the confines of his place of worship but that, once the person leaves the place of worship, the government can constrain him to act against his rightly-formed conscience, even in the most serious of moral questions,” Burke said. Burke took a swipe against Obama’s Affordable Care Act over the law’s birth control mandate, saying “such policies would have been unimaginable in the United States even 40 years ago.” “In a democracy, such a lack of awareness is deadly,” Burke told the magazine. “It leads to the loss of the freedom which a democratic government exists to protect. It is my hope that more and more of my fellow citizens, as they realize what is happening, will insist on electing leaders who respect the truth of the moral law as it is respected in the founding principles of our nation.” Welcome to the Party

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 09:15 AM (t3UFN)

97 A good # of the atheist eco-left hate cemeteries. They think they are just superstitious and stupid and wasteful. The land should be given back to nature or something. The only cemeteries the eco-left likes are old indian ones they can find and use to block highway construction. Then it's a spiritual holy place than cannot be disturbed. But they'd happily turn a Christian cemetery into a neighborhood composting site.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 09:15 AM (ZPrif)

98 How fucking hard is this????? Do we have absolute fucking retards doing the messaging?? Posted by: prescient11 at March 24, 2014 01:13 PM (tVTLU) because if we take it to the logical conclusion... that.

Posted by: tangonine at March 24, 2014 09:15 AM (x3YFz)

99 I kinda made a similar argument about this before. Essentially, abortion has to be argued philosophically in the public space. Religion is a form of philosophy, but sadly, many on the pro-life side wrongly believe that their stated belief alone is argument enough. "I believe this, and therefore you should too" - is not really an argument. Thus, what I tried to break down, and sorta what this atheist is arguing: http://appealtoheaven.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/all-conservatives-are-actually-pro-choice/ I'd love to see more pro-lifers argue things in a more thoughtful line of reasoning, e.g. human rights - not just religious conviction.

Posted by: adc at March 24, 2014 09:15 AM (9BA4z)

100 Here in America abortionists often flush aborted children in the toilet.

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2014 09:15 AM (hFL/3)

101 Hey MWR, I know you have close family connections to our overseas cousins. What does your fam think of the state of the Kingdom? If you don't mind me asking.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 24, 2014 09:16 AM (da5Wo)

102 Many environmentalists want to ban burials. They push cremation hard. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 01:07 PM (ZPrif) Which is stupid, if they really believe in the CO2-spawned Global Warming bullshit. Bury a corpse, and its carbon content is "sequestered" for quit a long time, slowly being bled into the atmosphere and soil by the decay process. Cremate it, and you are dumping its carbon content into the atmosphere in one fell swoop, along with the not inconsiderable carbon content of the extra fuel needed to vaporize the some 70% of that corpse which is water. Incombustible water.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2014 09:16 AM (yDmQD)

103 Gives me a business idea. Do you suppose there is a market for eco-friendly dead baby charcoal briquettes?

Posted by: maddogg at March 24, 2014 09:16 AM (xWW96)

104 Maybe Texas should start doing the same thing with executed criminals to give the liberals a reason to pause and think?

Posted by: model_1066 at March 24, 2014 09:16 AM (afNM6)

105 I should add, it's more the media's choice of "pro-lifers" that is the problem. There are loads of very good thinking and arguing pro-lifers, but the media is obviously only interested in the simplistic 'extreme' sounding "Bible says X" types.

Posted by: adc at March 24, 2014 09:16 AM (9BA4z)

106 The problem with those oh so decent atheists is that their colleagues, who they certainly must respect more than the Christers, burn babies for heat without batting an eye.

Posted by: ejo at March 24, 2014 09:16 AM (GXvSO)

107 If you don't want the kid, give it up for adoption. --- I tried that argument with a supposedly Catholic pro-choice friend of mine and she flipped the fuck out. She gets defensive on the subject of abortion in part because she tries to justify her decision to abort a severely disabled fetus which was malformed due to the prescription meds she was on.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 24, 2014 09:17 AM (APuJ7)

108 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 24, 2014 01:08 PM (4df7R) The same people at my annual meetings appalled at the "abuse" of the Liverpool pathway, will be the first to cheer it's arrival here. I predicted that a few years back. Actually I predicted that my supposedly Religious Hospital Association would be adopting it without even realizing what they've accepted, because...failure of introspection, yo! I didn't attend said meeting this year, I so loathe getting shouted at. Although the free midshelf liquor almost makes it worth it.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 24, 2014 09:17 AM (HDwDg)

109 Just go Green, baby ! Holy crap, what have we become ?

Posted by: BuilderDoug at March 24, 2014 09:17 AM (gyf2J)

110 Oh, and a humanist argument against abortion is simple and unremarkable. There's nothing inherently religious about the belief that it is wrong to kill innocent human beings.

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2014 09:17 AM (hFL/3)

111 If they just wait a month or two, they could throw fully developed ones on the sacrificial altar. It would provide much more fuel and do you think Zeke Emanuel couldn't find an "ethical" justification for it.

Posted by: ejo at March 24, 2014 09:18 AM (GXvSO)

112 104 Maybe Texas should start doing the same thing with executed criminals to give the liberals a reason to pause and think? --- Special note - The fat fucks who claim they can't get lethal injection because of an inability to find a vein are likely the best producers of heat once that fat begins to burn.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 24, 2014 09:18 AM (APuJ7)

113 Yeah, incinerating is commonplace in the US. Unclear how often the incinerators are used intentionally as a heat source. To a degree you can't help but use an incinerator as a heat source. In the winter it will warm any building it is in and you won't have to use as much other heat to heat your building.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 09:18 AM (ZPrif)

114 To use as fuel is another level of hell I cannot contemplate long. Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at March 24, 2014 01:12 PM (baL2B) I see nothing wrong with what the hospitals did to those dead monsters.

Posted by: Amanda Marcotte, uber-Feminist and clearly not psychologically damaged at March 24, 2014 09:19 AM (r+7wo)

115 This is just evil.

Imagine how upset everyone would be if they were using euthanized animals from a pet shelter instead of, you know, human beings.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2014 09:19 AM (udjuE)

116 I hate to go all Godwin, but didn't we as a society      prosecute and then hang     people for    incinerating humans 60 odd years ago?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2014 09:19 AM (eoeps)

117 And then there's the Neatherlands.  Hope people have been keeping up with that prelude to holocaust too.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2014 09:19 AM (6RUDX)

118 You can't be pro-abortion and be bothered by this story. And yet, most people will be.

Posted by: --- at March 24, 2014 09:19 AM (MMC8r)

119 Pretty soon Moloch will no longer be satisfied with the dead ones.

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at March 24, 2014 09:19 AM (5ikDv)

120 Gives me a business idea. Do you suppose there is a market for eco-friendly dead baby charcoal briquettes? Sustainability for the eco-win!

Posted by: t-bird at March 24, 2014 09:19 AM (FcR7P)

121 Is there no volcano in Great Britain?

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2014 09:20 AM (UhUYk)

122 I don't see how that's even a pro-life issue. Burning human remains for fuel seems like something even the barbarians would frown on.

And that dude at Patheos wins the "most questions begged in one short article" award for the day.

Posted by: kartoffel at March 24, 2014 09:20 AM (sWwJZ)

123 Special note - The fat fucks who claim they can't get lethal injection because of an inability to find a vein are likely the best producers of heat once that fat begins to burn. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 24, 2014 01:18 PM (APuJ7) In that case, I'm sure it's pretty easy to find a brain stem with a .357 hollowpoint.

Posted by: model_1066 at March 24, 2014 09:20 AM (afNM6)

124 Imagine how upset everyone would be if they were using euthanized animals from a pet shelter instead of, you know, human beings. --- Considering the deafning silence when PETA is found dumping animals who were supposed to be sent to new homes instead of euthanized, I think they'll find a way to justify it to themselves.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 24, 2014 09:20 AM (APuJ7)

125 50 My cousin gave birth to a premature baby, barely 5 months old. After she died, she was given a Jewish burial and headstone a year later. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 24, 2014 01:09 PM (olDqf) Before I formed thee in the beten I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the rechem I set thee apart as kodesh, and I ordained thee a navi unto the Goyim.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 24, 2014 09:20 AM (bb5+k)

126 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2014 01:16 PM (yDmQD) They're split I just did a rebuttle to a crazed Greenie paper here, and she pushed "green burial" I pointed out that she realistically couldn't weigh the savings of CO2 she suggested vs the space savings that cremation allows thus all she was doing was making personal preference choices masked as morality. Not that I'm running around saying "cremation FTW!" either, it was just my chosen example.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 24, 2014 09:20 AM (HDwDg)

127 Pro tip: Don't allow the killing of unborn babies, it just goes downhill from there.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 09:21 AM (A98Xu)

128 Hey MWR, I know you have close family connections to our overseas cousins. What does your fam think of the state of the Kingdom?

If you don't mind me asking.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 24, 2014 01:16 PM (da5Wo)



My mother can't stand to read or watch the news from over there.  It's too painful.   Very little of the    country she knew still remains.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 09:21 AM (4df7R)

129 Tears, simply tears.

Posted by: Bill at March 24, 2014 09:21 AM (uvyrw)

130 72 I can't imagine an aborted fetus throws of many therms.

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2014 01:12 PM (UhUYk)

++++

One, by itself? No, of course not. That's why you need lots of them.

Posted by: Planned Parenthood at March 24, 2014 09:21 AM (IN7k+)

131 And this, good Horde, is why I stake out a hard-line position on this issue: acceptance of industrialized abortion inevitably leads to such atrocities, through the diminishment of value on human life. Inevitably.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 24, 2014 09:21 AM (naUcP)

132 123 Special note - The fat fucks who claim they can't get lethal injection because of an inability to find a vein are likely the best producers of heat once that fat begins to burn. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 24, 2014 01:18 PM (APuJ7) In that case, I'm sure it's pretty easy to find a brain stem with a .357 hollowpoint. --- Supposedly they argue this via "cruel and unusual punishment". My argument is that it's not cruel or unusual if someone turns the head to chunky salsa with an automatic rifle.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 24, 2014 09:21 AM (APuJ7)

133 In Britain, the government itself runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. WeÂ’ve all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false.

Posted by: Krugtron the Invincible at March 24, 2014 09:21 AM (aTXUx)

134 Now, after 70 interviews and at least $1 million in legal fees to be paid by state taxpayers, that review is set to be released, and according to people with firsthand knowledge of the inquiry, it has uncovered no evidence that the governor was involved in the plotting or directing of the lane closings.

The review is the first of multiple inquiries into a scandal that has jeopardized Mr. ChristieÂ’s political future. It will be viewed with intense skepticism, not only because it was commissioned by the governor but also because the firm conducting it, Gibson Dunn & Crutcher, has close ties to the Christie administration and the firmÂ’s lawyers were unable to interview three principal players in the shutdowns, including Bridget Anne Kelly, the governorÂ’s former deputy chief of staff.

But lawyers from the team who led the inquiry are prepared to vigorously defend their work, which they described as an unfettered look into the inner workings of an administration known to prize loyalty and privacy.

Posted by: Frankie Goes To NJ at March 24, 2014 09:21 AM (e8kgV)

135 The incineration of dead bodies is one thing. Converting them to bio-fucking-fuel and using them for heat is entirely another. Unclaimed corpses are incinerated from morgues. OK, if done respectfully. That is not what is happening in this story. It is appalling, but not because of the fire part.

Posted by: imp at March 24, 2014 09:22 AM (OKpiK)

136 My pro-Obama cousins who came from family of eight can't see that this is bringing families of eight to extinction. They are clueless that in a future time or even now, their mother might of thought eight is too many.

Posted by: Madamex at March 24, 2014 09:22 AM (gNblz)

137 Before I formed thee in the beten I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the rechem I set thee apart as kodesh, and I ordained thee a navi unto the Goyim. Wow. Hard to read if you don't know any of the nouns.

Posted by: t-bird at March 24, 2014 09:22 AM (FcR7P)

138 Soylent Green. Coming to a nation near you.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 24, 2014 09:22 AM (R5UOB)

139 Soylent Green baby.

/coming soon? The Obamacare Death Panels will recommend you for "termination" and your usable parts will be transplanted into deserving members of The Party.

Posted by: shibumi at March 24, 2014 09:23 AM (25HWz)

140

On a related note, I got acquainted with the series Continuum over the weekend.  I was watching episode 5 on Netflix, and they had a nice pro-life argument mid-way through the episode.

 

Posted by: junior at March 24, 2014 09:23 AM (UWFpX)

141 My mother can't stand to read or watch the news from over there. It's too painful. Very little of the country she knew still remains. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 24, 2014 01:21 PM (4df7R) I can imagine. Sorta like reading the news here.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 24, 2014 09:23 AM (da5Wo)

142 >>Oh, and a humanist argument against abortion is simple and unremarkable. There's nothing inherently religious about the belief that it is wrong to kill innocent human beings.

Lauren, the blogger Bookwork has a post about this baby incineration paired with several others, including the head of the UK's version of Planned Parenthood, Ann Furedi, saying that it's A-OK to abort based on the sex of the child. Wouldn't you know it, her husband is an uber-Humanist Frank Furedi, the founder and then leader of the British Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP).
Amazing how well all these puzzle pieces fall into place - abortion, communism, environmentalism, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2014 09:23 AM (udjuE)

143 And then there's the Neatherlands. Hope people have been keeping up with that prelude to holocaust too. If the Rus decide to drive to the Atlantic, I'd not be sure I'd care. Too little left worth saving.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 24, 2014 09:24 AM (naUcP)

144 Isn't this why Luca Brasi went to hell?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 24, 2014 09:24 AM (V4CBV)

145 *fap*fap*fap*

Posted by: Heinrich Himmler at March 24, 2014 09:24 AM (CTCNK)

146 The incineration of dead bodies is one thing. Converting them to bio-fucking-fuel and using them for heat is entirely another. "So, you're against the burning of baby dinosaurs?" Call me clairvoyant, I'm able to anticipate stupidity.

Posted by: t-bird at March 24, 2014 09:24 AM (FcR7P)

147 This story is too sick and twisted for my usual smartassery. Think I'll go order some stuff on Amazon and come back later. I feel my rage being triggered.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2014 09:24 AM (7ObY1)

148 You know, that this place is for grownups, often NSFW, and covers some pretty downright ugly shit. But this report is of a kind of in your fucking face medieval depravity dimension that evokes a visceral instinct for some form of vengeance. Only quasi human leftist zombies could conceive these outrageous acts.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 24, 2014 09:25 AM (YHleJ)

149 144 Isn't this why Luca Brasi went to hell? --- Only if you read the book.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 24, 2014 09:25 AM (APuJ7)

150 She gets defensive on the subject of abortion in part because she tries to justify her decision to abort a severely disabled fetus which was malformed due to the prescription meds she was on.

Snarky answer:  So we're the modern-day Spartans, tossing malformed babies down the hill?

Real answer:  That's something I would pray long and hard about.  I don't think I'd abort even a severely disabled baby without a strong spiritual confirmation it's alright.

My wife and I are trying to get pregnant.  My wife is very very very aware of what meds she can be on during this time.  I'm sad your friend didn't know she was going to become pregnant, or couldn't moderate her meds.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 24, 2014 09:26 AM (P7Wsr)

151 139 Soylent Green baby. /coming soon? The Obamacare Death Panels will recommend you for "termination" and your usable parts will be transplanted into deserving members of The Party. Posted by: shibumi at March 24, 2014 01:23 PM (25HWz) I think that we'll probably see handbags made out of the tanned skin of aborted babies first. The Occupy crowd will hawk them as 'sustainable'. I'm only half-kidding, unfortunately.

Posted by: model_1066 at March 24, 2014 09:26 AM (afNM6)

152

I missed the "babies as heat source" in the British Olympic Ceremony.

 

I guess it's really more Matrix than NHS Celebration material, though.

Posted by: Advo at March 24, 2014 09:26 AM (7vbG1)

153 The pro-abortion Left really shouldn't object to this. By their ideology there's nothing morally wrong with it. It's just dead tissue that was never human. Hospitals burn the tissues you sneeze into and the scabs you pick off. Same thing. The only reason, from their perspective, to object to this is that it *seems* icky. But, from their perspective, that's just a hold over from evil Christianity and sky god superstition. Just like gay sex seems icky to some people. So the Left's logic would then be to normalize stuff like this so it doesn't seem so icky, since the icky reaction is just superstition. There's nothing about the Left's ideology that would condemn this as wrong -- except that you should try and be respectful of stupid people's sky god superstitions. Don't show the soles of your feet if the crazy muzzies freak out, don't burn dead babies if that would upset the jesus freaks - that sort of thing. A left-wing atheist materialist should really be fine with burning dead babies for fuel.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 09:26 AM (ZPrif)

154

@88 Isn't defilement of a corpse a criminal offense? I'm assuming that it's not because the corpse somehow doesn't like being defiled - after all, it is dead. It's because it violates the dignity of humans.

-------------------

 

Only if it's legally considered to be a corpse.  I'm not sure how aborted and stillborn fetuses are classifed under the law in Great Britain, but it's entirely possible that they're considered something other than a "human corpse".


 

Posted by: junior at March 24, 2014 09:26 AM (UWFpX)

155 Reminder: Obama is a strident supporter of late term/botched abortion killing. Remember the botched abortion child left in a closet to die? Obama's position, "So?" That is our President. HTF did that happen?

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 09:26 AM (A98Xu)

156 What do we do with the remains here? Certainly they are not buried or treated with much dignity either. I know it's an extreme example but look at Kermit Gosnell's horror show of an office, dumped down drains, preserved in jars. Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at March 24, 2014 01:10 PM (n/ogz) The Jooooos make matzoh bread and baby bagels from them!!

Posted by: Al Jazeera at March 24, 2014 09:26 AM (aTXUx)

157 Why is everyone reading this story and then looking at me?

Posted by: Al Gore at March 24, 2014 09:26 AM (R5UOB)

158 From an engineering standpoint, I don't see a lot of BTU to be had here.  The left has finally found a source of energy that is worse than solar.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 24, 2014 09:27 AM (kxSZr)

159 Yet another variation on the cat and rat farm. And we are the rats.

It'd be slightly less wasteful to turn them into soylent green.


Posted by: West at March 24, 2014 09:27 AM (1Rgee)

160 Alles fuer das Reich!

Posted by: imp at March 24, 2014 09:27 AM (OKpiK)

161 I think that we'll probably see handbags made out of the tanned skin of aborted babies first. The Occupy crowd will hawk them as 'sustainable'. I'm only half-kidding, unfortunately.

Posted by: model_1066 at March 24, 2014 01:26 PM (afNM6)



They can make little   leather coats to hang on their   coat hanger pendants.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 09:27 AM (4df7R)

162 Someone should take every copy of that newspaper back to their office and destroy them with scissors.

Posted by: Mireille Miller-Young at March 24, 2014 09:27 AM (qyomX)

163 That is our President. HTF did that happen? ---- Anything is possible with enough free stuff and LIVs.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 24, 2014 09:27 AM (R5UOB)

164 So, you're doing Local British News coverage, now?

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2014 09:28 AM (UhUYk)

165 I guess it's really more Matrix than NHS Celebration material, though.

Posted by: Advo at March 24, 2014 01:26 PM (7vbG1)



The Second Renaissance.




Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 09:28 AM (GQ8sn)

166   Isn't this why Luca Brasi went to hell?

===

In the book version, yes. The movie would have been quite different had it featured Luca as a baby-killer rather than a buffoon that sleeps with fish. 

The vagina-tightening doctor thing wouldn't have translated well, either. I don't think.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at March 24, 2014 09:28 AM (YmPwQ)

167 Next is the group that wants to distinguish between miscarried babies and the aborted. The parents of the former saw a life in the making even if pro-choicers didnÂ’t; the remains should thus be treated with due decorum, as a consolation to the bereaved. I can't imagine the parents not being (able to be) involved in the decision of what to do with a miscarried baby. It's painful to lose a baby, and they surely would want (in most cases) some sort of ceremony. Civilization is eating itself up. This is a deeply depressing finding if this is true.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 24, 2014 09:28 AM (IXrOn)

168 99 I kinda made a similar argument about this before. Essentially, abortion has to be argued philosophically in the public space. Posted by: adc at March 24, 2014 01:15 PM (9BA4z) Cannot be done with any degree of demographic penetration. All microphones are owned by Liberal Abortion supporters. All messages of which they disapprove, do not get broadcast. Liberal control of the media is the primary cause for much evil in this nation. They simply refuse to let the opposition have a voice within the dominant means of communication with the American People.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 24, 2014 09:29 AM (bb5+k)

169 158 From an engineering standpoint, I don't see a lot of BTU to be had here. The left has finally found a source of energy that is worse than solar. --- Au contraire.

Posted by: Solyndra Executive at March 24, 2014 09:29 AM (R5UOB)

170

The vagina-tightening doctor

 

I need to make an appointment.  Do you have his number?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 24, 2014 09:29 AM (DrWcr)

171 Didn't the article say, "15,000" babies? 15,000 15,000

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 09:29 AM (A98Xu)

172 >>And then there's the Neatherlands. Hope people have been keeping up with that prelude to holocaust too.

Yep, the Groningen Protocol is disgusting. IIRC, Belgium has recently legalized euthanasia of sick, defective babies, too.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2014 09:29 AM (udjuE)

173 2. Jesus is coming back soon. With a bullwhip. There will be running and screaming.

*****




This. Soon.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at March 24, 2014 09:29 AM (vgIRn)

174 Like Rush was saying about this story. It's getting harder and harder to define the left. They truly are monsters.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 24, 2014 09:29 AM (IXrOn)

175 Fewer inheritors of the imperialists' legacy means progress.

Posted by: Lean faux world at March 24, 2014 09:30 AM (wu/TK)

176 Sandy, call Mario Puzo. It's a long-distance call.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at March 24, 2014 09:30 AM (YmPwQ)

177 Isaiah 6

8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”


And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”


9 He said, “Go and tell this people:


“‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
    be ever seeing, but never perceiving.Â’

10 Make the heart of this people calloused;
    make their ears dull
    and close their eyes.

Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
    hear with their ears,
    understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”


11 Then I said, “For how long, Lord?”


And he answered:


“Until the cities lie ruined
    and without inhabitant,
until the houses are left deserted
    and the fields ruined and ravaged,

12 until the Lord has sent everyone far away
    and the land is utterly forsaken.

13 And though a tenth remains in the land,
    it will again be laid waste.

But as the terebinth and oak
    leave stumps when they are cut down,
    so the holy seed will be the stump in the land.”



...the whole land shall tremble in terror at the Judgement to come.  Even then, they will persist in their wickedness, cursing God and all their fellow mankind who condemn their evil acts, and the unrepentant masses will, in turn, commit even greater acts of depravity, as though daring the Lord to do something about it... until He does.


Our civilization is doomed... and, it seems to me, at least, good and proper that it should be so.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 24, 2014 09:30 AM (9LuAk)

178 I think that we'll probably see handbags made out of the tanned skin of aborted babies first. The Occupy crowd will hawk them as 'sustainable'. I'm only half-kidding, unfortunately. Posted by: model_1066 at March 24, 2014 01:26 PM (afNM6) I can see those being hot items at the Hollywood swag tables. Or donor gifts at a Wendy Davis fundraiser

Posted by: Al Jazeera at March 24, 2014 09:30 AM (aTXUx)

179 That atheist article is the Catholic Churches position in a nutshell.

Posted by: SH at March 24, 2014 09:30 AM (BrwSr)

180 MSNBC will be all over this. Only they will spin is as giving meaning to useless lives.

Posted by: maddogg at March 24, 2014 09:30 AM (xWW96)

181 Lemme see... Shackling and stacking human beings in the holds of slave ships and then tossing them overboard (to feed sharks, naturally) was THE WORST THING EVER! Aborting and stacking unborn human fetuses and then tossing them into the hospital furnace (for efficiency, naturally) is NO BIG DEAL! Did I understand that correctly?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 24, 2014 09:30 AM (HsTG8)

182 I need to make an appointment. Do you have his number? Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 24, 2014 01:29 PM (DrWcr) ===== Just wave five fingers in the air. He'll know.

Posted by: OBGYN Express at March 24, 2014 09:30 AM (R5UOB)

183 Remember the botched abortion child left in a closet to die? Obama's position, "So?"

That is patently false. My actual response was "oh, well...".

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at March 24, 2014 09:30 AM (Dwehj)

184 As has been pointed out when someone asks what would Jesus do, getting pissed off and knocking over some tables is NOT out of the question.

Posted by: blaster` at March 24, 2014 09:31 AM (4+AaH)

185 Snarky answer: So we're the modern-day Spartans, tossing malformed babies down the hill? No, we aren't just tossing the malformed ones, but the perferctly healthy ones too. We're not the Spartans, but something worse. Like the Carthaginians, but without teh belief in a higher purpose. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal-hamon

Posted by: imp at March 24, 2014 09:31 AM (OKpiK)

186 99 I kinda made a similar argument about this before. Essentially, abortion has to be argued philosophically in the public space. Religion is a form of philosophy, but sadly, many on the pro-life side wrongly believe that their stated belief alone is argument enough. "I believe this, and therefore you should too" - is not really an argument. Thus, what I tried to break down, and sorta what this atheist is arguing: http://appealtoheaven.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/all-conservatives-are-actually-pro-choice/ I'd love to see more pro-lifers argue things in a more thoughtful line of reasoning, e.g. human rights - not just religious conviction. Posted by: adc at March 24, 2014 01:15 PM (9BA4z) oh. joy. you are one of those liberals that just walks blindly into the bear trap. I had a whole rant typed out. Deleted it. Why? You're not worth my time.

Posted by: tangonine at March 24, 2014 09:31 AM (x3YFz)

187 Did I understand that correctly? Yes.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 09:31 AM (A98Xu)

188

Always remember - stories like this are why we lose elections.  Top Men assure me this is so.

 

Top.

 

Men.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 24, 2014 09:31 AM (zF6Iw)

189 Local news story. *Yawn*

Posted by: CNN/MSNBC/ABC/CBS/PBS at March 24, 2014 09:31 AM (udjuE)

190 166 Isn't this why Luca Brasi went to hell? === In the book version, yes. The movie would have been quite different had it featured Luca as a baby-killer rather than a buffoon that sleeps with fish. The vagina-tightening doctor thing wouldn't have translated well, either. I don't think. --- I'm sure the stuff with Nino, the Dean Martin expy who ends up as Johnny Fontaine's sidekick in Hollywood, wouldn't have ended up translating well either. However, the star that Nino screwed at the Hollywood party, Deanna Dunn, did show up in the sequel as Fredo's wife.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 24, 2014 09:31 AM (APuJ7)

191 Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2014 01:26 PM (P7Wsr) IMHO, I think the thought of caring for a disable child might be incredibly scary for someone in their mid to late 20s. So much so that I can see why one might be tempted to simply "make it go away." And such high theory as "eugenics" and "what a fetus is" may not be considered at that point if they weren't considered prior to that. As someone who helps his wife care for a disabled M-I-L, I'd be lying if I said it's not a fear in our household as we discuss the kiddie problem.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 24, 2014 09:32 AM (HDwDg)

192 From an engineering standpoint, I don't see a lot of BTU to be had here. The left has finally found a source of energy that is worse than solar.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 24, 2014 01:27 PM (kxSZr)



It's all about  quantity.    They're not ONLY burning    the      earthly remains of dead babies,  after all  .       The same incinerator is used to    burn   all kinds of   clinical waste   that can't be discarded in a typical landfill.      So you've got the   used hypodermics,   the  soiled gloves,   the   bloodied   bandages,   and everything else that    could be a biological hazard,   including amputated limbs   and the like.       Just chuck the "fetal tissue" on the pile and    drop in a match.



They disgust me.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 09:32 AM (4df7R)

193 I don't really get the angst over this. It's the killing that's heartbreaking, the method of disposal is simply coarse, and not surprising given the initial act.

Posted by: Questionmad at March 24, 2014 09:32 AM (1Y+hH)

194 Somewhere in a government laboratory is a climate scientist trying to figure out which race/ethnicity has a higher BTU density.

Posted by: Fritz at March 24, 2014 09:32 AM (UzPAd)

195 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2014 09:32 AM (DrWcr)

196 Police are searching the Triad area of NC for a postal contractor who murdered one person and beat a woman with a crowbar , the woman sustained life-threatening injuries. Another day in paradise.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 24, 2014 09:32 AM (ZshNr)

197 194 Somewhere in a government laboratory is a climate scientist trying to figure out which race/ethnicity has a higher BTU density. --- I'm sure that they're using Mengele's work as a basis for their research.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 24, 2014 09:32 AM (APuJ7)

198 Oops, off sock of idiotmann.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 24, 2014 09:32 AM (1Y+hH)

199 Jesus is coming back soon. With a bullwhip. There will be running and screaming. ***** This. Soon. Faster please.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2014 09:33 AM (h1D+w)

200 NO BIG DEAL! Did I understand that correctly? Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ at March 24, 2014 01:30 PM (HsTG Don't forget the part that most aborted babies are black because Liberals!

Posted by: tangonine at March 24, 2014 09:33 AM (x3YFz)

201 My mother can't stand to read or watch the news from over there. It's too painful. Very little of the country she knew still remains. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 24, 2014 01:21 PM (4df7R) Funny, I feel the same way about what is happening here.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 24, 2014 09:33 AM (bb5+k)

202 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 24, 2014 HA! Yes, our betters telling us what deeply held principles we need to stifle in order to run some dumbass candidate that couldn't fight his way out of wet paper bag. Principles are for suckers.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 09:33 AM (A98Xu)

203 "They can make little leather coats to hang on their coat hanger pendants.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 24, 2014 01:27 PM"


I think you just gave the left a new clothing idea for the purse-sized dogs they keep instead of having inconvenient children.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2014 09:33 AM (knoK7)

204

Selfishness.  It all boils down to selfishness.  Somebody wants to have as much sex as they can,   without consequences.  If they get pregnant, kill it.  Someone wants their medical care paid for by someone else,  eventually a government panel decides you are not worth    treating, so they    kill you by    neglect.    Selfish people will allow babies to be killed, and old people to be starved to death, as long as the selfish people get what they want.

 

And some people still say that social issues don't belong in politics.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2014 09:33 AM (eoeps)

205 In the book, Luca Brasi forces a midwife to throw the baby into the furnace. She committed suicide from the guilt Apparently Luca Brasi also felt remorse from this and attempted suicide that instead left him brain damaged

Posted by: kbdabear at March 24, 2014 09:33 AM (aTXUx)

206 IMHO, I think the thought of caring for a disable child might be incredibly scary for someone in their mid to late 20s. --- This was someone who was 17-18 and a HS senior at the time she had the abortion. She was scared to death that her life was over before it had really started and has spent the time since justifying her decision.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 24, 2014 09:33 AM (APuJ7)

207 And in related biblical level nastiness -- there's an Ebola outbreak across west africa.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 09:34 AM (ZPrif)

208 I was never told what happened to the remains of my child after my d& c for a missed miscarriage. I assumed that they were handled by stericycle since they do that sort of thing. Even in America women who suffer miscarriages aren't given a lot of options unless theyre far enough along to get a, death certificate, which varies by state.

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2014 09:34 AM (hFL/3)

209 Somehow socialists always seem to have to come up with a way to dispose of mass numbers of people they've killed when they gain political power...and they usually pick horrible means of doing so.


Posted by: 18-1 at March 24, 2014 09:34 AM (78TbK)

210 199 Jesus is coming back soon. With a bullwhip. There will be running and screaming. ***** This. Soon. Faster please. Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2014 01:33 PM (h1D+w) yeah, then been sayin' that for a few thousand years. Don't hold your breath.

Posted by: tangonine at March 24, 2014 09:34 AM (x3YFz)

211 >>Somewhere in a government laboratory is a climate scientist trying to figure out which race/ethnicity has a higher BTU density.

Heard it was AGW Deniers who burned the brightest, amIright?

Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2014 09:35 AM (udjuE)

212 I need to make an appointment. Do you have his number? Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 24, 2014 01:29 PM (DrWcr) ===== Just wave five fingers in the air. He'll know. NOT those fingers! The clean ones.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2014 09:35 AM (h1D+w)

213 I don't really get the angst over this. See Spock, half Vulcan, not the baby doctor.

Posted by: Irredeemable at March 24, 2014 09:35 AM (wu/TK)

214 Apparently Luca Brasi also felt remorse from this and attempted suicide that instead left him brain damaged --- If we're just talking about the first Godfather book, I think Luca attempted suicide because he was in jail with no obvious way out because Don Corleone hadn't decided to take him in yet. Much like how Al Neri's life was in the toilet, due to his wife leaving him and being thrown off the NYPD for killing a suspect, before Michael brought him in to be his own version of Luca.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 24, 2014 09:35 AM (APuJ7)

215 Thank God we whipped Hitler and Stalin.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 24, 2014 09:36 AM (XO6WW)

216 a sweet smelling oblation to the lord (of darkness)

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 24, 2014 09:37 AM (SO2Q8)

217 This. Soon.

Faster please.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2014 01:33 PM (h1D+w)


I always tell myself that it's already happened, I just need to endure the time it takes for me to reach that point of history.


Then I stop and realize that, because it happens at that particular time, and not, for instance, now, means that things are not yet bad enough for the Lord to say "It is time."


So... this is going to get even worse... and that terrifies me, because I really do not know how it could get any worse than the things we have seen up to this point in history, and especially of late.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 24, 2014 09:37 AM (9LuAk)

218 I don't really get the angst over this. It's the killing that's heartbreaking, the method of disposal is simply coarse, and not surprising given the initial act. -- IMO 2 things: 1st is the taboo aspect - human remains are to be treated with respect. Almost all cultures understand this - just think of all the vengeful ghost stories in any country about disrespected remains. 2nd is the "adding insult to injury" factor. Pro-abortion faction like to pretend that choosing to have an abortion is a heavy, important decision and don;t you dare ad to the burden of guilt and pain of the woman, and then they turn around and literally throw the baby in the trash.

Posted by: Votermom at March 24, 2014 09:37 AM (GSIDW)

219 and who might have chosen to have the child given a proper burial if they knew that "cremation" meant "being tossed in the incinerator next to a bag of used syringes."

Some localities in the UK use crematoriums to heat their swimming pools.
http://is.gd/bXXrzG

Posted by: HR at March 24, 2014 09:37 AM (ZKzrr)

220 tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 24, 2014 01:32

Agreed.  I'd have to pray long and hard and really really listen for the answer. 

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 24, 2014 09:37 AM (P7Wsr)

221 I'm kind of surprised jwest isn't in here picking a fight.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 24, 2014 09:38 AM (fwARV)

222 207 And in related biblical level nastiness -- there's an Ebola outbreak across west africa. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 01:34 PM (ZPrif) In that part of the world, an Ebola outbreak usually means that they temporarily have running water again.

Posted by: model_1066 at March 24, 2014 09:38 AM (afNM6)

223 Our civilization is doomed... and, it seems to me, at least, good and proper that it should be so.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 24, 2014 01:30 PM (9LuAk)

 

 

--------------------------------------------------

 

 

In many ways, this is the story of Obama.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2014 09:38 AM (6RUDX)

224 184 As has been pointed out when someone asks what would Jesus do, getting pissed off and knocking over some tables is NOT out of the question. Posted by: blaster` at March 24, 2014 01:31 PM (4+AaH) Jesus is totally cool with abortion. Didn't you see my funny video?

Posted by: Sarah Silverman at March 24, 2014 09:38 AM (aTXUx)

225 Like the Carthaginians, but without teh belief in a higher purpose.
***
The left has embraced what was traditionally considered evil, and as we as a society have given them as a power, so as our society.

For now we don't have a Rome to be outraged over our conduct and a will to do something about it, but likely one day there will be.

I'd be interested to see an SF movie, for example, where the aliens invade because they are horrified by abortion and refuse to believe a people that would engage in it to be civilized...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 24, 2014 09:38 AM (78TbK)

226 193 I don't really get the angst over this. It's the killing that's heartbreaking, the method of disposal is simply coarse, and not surprising given the initial act. Posted by: Questionmad at March 24, 2014 01:32 PM (1Y+hH) your words belie a bit of goodness. I'll divert the airstrike. for now.

Posted by: tangonine at March 24, 2014 09:38 AM (x3YFz)

227 192 From an engineering standpoint, I don't see a lot of
BTU to be had here. The left has finally found a source of energy that
is worse than solar.


Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 24, 2014 01:27 PM (kxSZr)

It's all about quantity. They're not ONLY burning the earthly remains of dead babies, after all . The same incinerator is used to burn all kinds of clinical waste that can't be discarded in a typical landfill. So you've got the used hypodermics, the soiled gloves, the bloodied bandages, and everything else that could be a biological hazard, including amputated limbs and the like. Just chuck the "fetal tissue" on the pile and drop in a match.

They disgust me.

Don't forget the elderly.  They light up damned good.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 24, 2014 09:39 AM (XO6WW)

228 John Schindler ‏@20committee Major SIGINT compromises often take years to fix, sometimes decades. USG better be prepared for long-term darkness on Russia. Thanks, Ed. John Schindler ‏@20committee Russian FI Service (SVR) has made big investments in "online influence operations" since 2010. This, of course, is another "coincidence"...

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 09:39 AM (ZPrif)

229 In many ways, this is the story of Obama.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2014 01:38 PM (6RUDX)


Ha, so it is, indeed.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 24, 2014 09:39 AM (9LuAk)

230 Thank you for linking to that article, ace. I am pro-life (anti-abortion, anti-euthanasia, etc) for secular reasons, not religious. I think those are the best arguments to be made.

Posted by: Y-not hasn't read the comments at March 24, 2014 09:40 AM (zDsvJ)

231 NHS delenda est. Planned Parenthood delenda est.

Posted by: Votermom at March 24, 2014 09:40 AM (GSIDW)

232 Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 24, 2014 01:33 PM (APuJ7 Well I suppose in that example the temptation might be even higher and the moral persuasion that comes from a developed conscious less present.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 24, 2014 09:40 AM (HDwDg)

233 That explains why, when I met the head of England's NHS last year, he said "you cold keep us going for a week!",

Posted by: Chris Christie at March 24, 2014 09:40 AM (F58x4)

234 I see the villagers have their torches in hand, ready to march the mob up the hill to burn jwest in his castle, all because he speaks words than they can't understand. Let's try one more time to the other catch up. I had a problem with Drudge's headline this morning, saying he should have attributed it to the Telegraph in the headline. This was because I didn't want the press to have the opportunity to say it was coming from a right wing website. I said the headline was misleading because aborted babies are not being used to heat hospitals. Here's the tricky part so try to follow along... It takes more heat to incinerate a fetus than the fetus gives off in heat. As insensitive as the term "medical waste" is, in the cold world of medicine and hospital administration that is what an aborted baby is. It can't be tossed out in the trash and it can't be flushed down the toilet. Incineration is how it is disposed of. These incinerators operate near 2000 F, so there is a lot of heat. Some units have heat recovery units so that all of that excess heat isn't wasted. The author of the Telegraph article saw an opportunity to push the buttons of a certain group of people by phrasing it as though buckets of aborted babies were being tossed into a furnance to warm thing up. This isn't the case. I made no statements on whether I liked or disliked this method, I simply explained what the facts were. That way, when the subject came up, the people here could argue and voice their opinions based on facts and not the emotional knee jerk senario the author wanted to have. Burn away, villagers. Silence the truth teller.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 09:41 AM (u2a4R)

235 I don't really get the angst over this. It's the killing that's heartbreaking, the method of disposal is simply coarse, and not surprising given the initial act.


It shows an utter disregard for the sanctity of human life.     It doesn't matter whether you believe a "fetus" is a    person or not.   The fact that it    would have, could have,   grown into    a unique individual one day   should be enough  reason to treat the remains with respect, not as "rubbish."       I suspect anyone who    didn't have   qualms about doing this is the same kind of person who would   happily chuck their dead grandma    into the same furnace    without telling anyone she was dead   so they could continue   to collect her welfare checks.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 09:41 AM (4df7R)

236 221 I'm kind of surprised jwest isn't in here picking a fight. Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 24, 2014 01:38 PM (fwARV) He's proof that you can actually beat a troll down, no matter how un-self-aware he is.

Posted by: tangonine at March 24, 2014 09:41 AM (x3YFz)

237 Seems like a waste of the Tribes water, to me.

Posted by: Stilgar at March 24, 2014 09:41 AM (UhUYk)

238 Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2014 01:37 PM (P7Wsr) I don't need to pray for the right answer, I need to pray for the strength not to fall victim to the temptation of the easier one. I'm human. And a weak one at that.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 24, 2014 09:41 AM (HDwDg)

239

199 Jesus is coming back soon. With a bullwhip. There will be running and screaming.

*****


This. Soon.



Faster please.

 

If He didn't come back for Auschwitz, I can't imagine this will be the last straw.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 24, 2014 09:41 AM (zF6Iw)

240 Let's extrapolate this behavior out to say, 50 to 100 years; Doesn't it make sense that we either TOTALLY change course or we do have the dead (young old, doesn't matter) routinely used as fuel. Especially if we have the eco tards running shit.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 09:42 AM (A98Xu)

241 Thank God we whipped Hitler and Stalin.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 24, 2014 01:36 PM (XO6WW)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

When I was growing up, the question was always asked about the holocaust in Germany; how could something like this happen in a country of educated, civilized people?

 

Now we know.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2014 09:42 AM (6RUDX)

242 Let's see...English burn human remains as fuel to heat their lily white assses....and people are surprised and shocked? Ummmmmmmmmmm...can you say National Health Care anyone?

Posted by: IrishEd at March 24, 2014 09:42 AM (D0NZx)

243 The left has embraced what was traditionally considered evil, and as we as a society have given them as a power, so as our society.

For now we don't have a Rome to be outraged over our conduct and a will to do something about it, but likely one day there will be.

I'd be interested to see an SF movie, for example, where the aliens invade because they are horrified by abortion and refuse to believe a people that would engage in it to be civilized...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 24, 2014 01:38 PM (78TbK)


I've been pecking (and I do mean pecking) at a manuscript about a similar concept for eight bloody years, but the truth is that the source material is just so grim and soul-crushing, I can never stay at it for long before the horror just overwhelms me. 


I don't know how real writers do it.  I have to look away or I'm gonna scream.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 24, 2014 09:42 AM (9LuAk)

244 I don't really get the angst over this.

Me either.

Posted by: Zombie Pol Pot at March 24, 2014 09:42 AM (Dwehj)

245 Wife has landed safely in NYC. Better her than me.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 24, 2014 09:43 AM (ZshNr)

246 And to think, the left calls us "Little Eichmanns"

Posted by: kbdabear at March 24, 2014 09:43 AM (aTXUx)

247 236 Spoke too soon, and invoked his name too many times.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 24, 2014 09:43 AM (ojnk6)

248 This was someone who was 17-18 and a HS senior at the time she had the abortion.

She was scared to death that her life was over before it had really started and has spent the time since justifying her decision.

I dated a good Catholic girl who got pregnant her Freshman year in College.  Not by me, I met her a few years later.  She didn't tell anyone except the father.   She was actually in the abortion clinic before she ran out screaming.  She had her son and, true to form, felt huge amounts of guilt over almost killing him.  I had and have so much respect for her, choosing not to take that path.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 24, 2014 09:43 AM (P7Wsr)

249 If He didn't come back for Auschwitz, I can't imagine this will be the last straw.

One of the reason's He gave his people over to the babylonians was this exact sort of thing...so, not so sure He wouldn't find child sacrifice worth coming back for.

Posted by: GMan at March 24, 2014 09:43 AM (sxq57)

250

I don't really get the angst over this. It's the killing that's heartbreaking, the method of disposal is simply coarse, and not surprising given the initial act.

---

Wait till they turn up on a dinner menu, replacing the veal (because that's horrific how they are treated...)

 

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 24, 2014 09:43 AM (SO2Q8)

251 "Dispose of as medical waste" should not be an option when answering the question: "what do we do with this body?"

Posted by: Votermom at March 24, 2014 09:43 AM (GSIDW)

252 >>>Wife has landed safely in NYC. Wish her good luck with the Van Wyck!

Posted by: Kramer at March 24, 2014 09:44 AM (UhUYk)

253 We allow this shit to happen.  Just as the general population of Germans knew everything that was going on in the Murder Camps.  They did nothing and we do nothing. 

I put myself at the top of the list of people responsible for this nightmare. Too bad I am a coward and won't do something to stop this.

God really should just lay waste to our so-called civilization for this. 

Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2014 09:44 AM (TM1p8)

254 Burn away, villagers. Silence the truth teller. Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 01:41 PM (u2a4R) So killing babies is good. Because it all just boils down to that. burn 'em. put them on stakes. Hell, cover your mad max armor with baby heads, j. Cuz you're "progressive."

Posted by: tangonine at March 24, 2014 09:44 AM (x3YFz)

255 In the not-too-distant future, people over 65 will be asked to queue up to be fed to the incinerator a la Logan's Run. For the good of the children of course.

Posted by: McCool at March 24, 2014 09:44 AM (nCSwS)

256 Speak of the devil and he shall appear. . .

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 24, 2014 09:44 AM (zF6Iw)

257 Heh.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 24, 2014 09:45 AM (ZshNr)

258 >>I don't really get the angst over this. It's the killing that's
heartbreaking, the method of disposal is simply coarse, and not
surprising given the initial act.

What are your feelings on Gosnell's preference for storing aborted babies in jars? I mean,if you're only focused on the killing you might miss the fact that he was saving them a s sort of trophies. So, too, does this use of aborted babies to *heat your hospital* indicate that there is something much more monstrous going on there.

Kinda like NHS's incentive program/cash rewards to hospitals that meet or exceed their target Liverpool Care Pathway numbers, this sets up a perverse incentive to keep them fetuses coming!

Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2014 09:45 AM (udjuE)

259 "truth teller" I couldn't have written your life failure story any better. So awesome.

Posted by: tangonine at March 24, 2014 09:46 AM (x3YFz)

260 Well, that makes sense. "Biofuel conversion into heat" seemed a little off to me.

Posted by: kartoffel at March 24, 2014 09:46 AM (sWwJZ)

261 "My cousin gave birth to a premature baby, barely 5 months old. After she died, she was given a Jewish burial and headstone a year later."

This was the custom in our family as well. I go to the family plot and see lots of infant graves. 

This story is of such depravity that it makes me weep. 

Posted by: navybrat at March 24, 2014 09:46 AM (JgC5a)

262 Yep, the Groningen Protocol is disgusting. IIRC, Belgium has recently legalized euthanasia of sick, defective babies, too. Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2014 01:29 PM (udjuE) To think, Putin wants to keep Ukrainian women from enjoying that option by joining the EU You can't spell euthanasia without EU

Posted by: kbdabear at March 24, 2014 09:47 AM (aTXUx)

263 Speak of the devil and he shall appear. . . Actually, we had to edit the Devil out because he bore an uncanny resemblance to Dear Leader.

Posted by: HIstory Channel at March 24, 2014 09:47 AM (UhUYk)

264 I have no words for this.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 24, 2014 09:47 AM (oMKp3)

265 Shit like this is so horrific only left wing progressives could be OK with this

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 09:47 AM (t3UFN)

266 Yep, the Groningen Protocol is disgusting. IIRC, Belgium has recently legalized euthanasia of sick, defective babies, too.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 24, 2014 01:29 PM (udjuE)


Was it Belgium that said that sick children can now choose euthanasia?    Because   sick children can make those    kinds of decisions.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 09:48 AM (4df7R)

267 What's the story about the cop who was shot in FL by the teen couple who went and committed suicide? How bizarre.

Posted by: Pug-delicious! at March 24, 2014 09:48 AM (vFh9Q)

268 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 24, 2014 01:41 PM (4df7R) This isn't really a "devil's advocate" thing as much an observation: US hospitals could also do a much better job of "treating the whole person" when it comes to miscarriages. So, we're not much better.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 24, 2014 09:48 AM (HDwDg)

269 Don't forget the elderly. They light up damned good. Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 24, 2014 01:39 PM (XO6WW) My first thought was how about the bodies of those who were put on the Liverpool Care Pathway? What's there to say, really? I mean, I can see instantly how such a decision was made and why no one thought to bat an eye at it. It's all just medical waste, after all.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 24, 2014 09:48 AM (VtjlW)

270 I'll divert the airstrike.

for now.

Posted by: tangonine at March 24, 2014 01:38 PM (x3YFz)



This is Archangel at two miles, angels four.  Standing by.



Posted by: A-10 Squirrel at March 24, 2014 09:48 AM (GQ8sn)

271

@225 I'd be interested to see an SF movie, for example, where the aliens invade because they are horrified by abortion and refuse to believe a people that would engage in it to be civilized...

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Unfortunately, given Hollywood's leanings, it's much more likely that any aliens with views on abortion would be shocked that there's opposition to it.

 

And on a somewhat related note, a little while back I made an amusing little realization.  Marvel Comics has made it known that the mutants in their setting have an "X" gene (not to be confused with the "X" chromosome) that is not present in normal, non-mutant humans (including people like Spiderman, who became heroes due to some weird event).  And since it can be tested for in adults, it should be possible to test for it in a fetus.  And given the hatred of mutants shown by some, that means that at least a few mutants have been aborted...

 

Somehow I doubt that this is ever going to come up in the pages of X-Men...

 

Posted by: junior at March 24, 2014 09:49 AM (UWFpX)

272 "You've come a long way, Soylent Green baby" /UK Health Care slogan

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 24, 2014 09:49 AM (c1VyR)

273 Yeah, if you're an atheist for humanist reasons - I circle around there myself - it's hard to be pro abortion. In fact logic demands the pro life position maybe even more for humanists than for Believers (as such). Most atheists find themselves inconvenienced by the concept of sin. That's it. They don't mind God (many of them replace God with something "spiritual" and weird) but they don't want a judgy God harshing their mellow. They got away from religion not because they didn't believe, but because believing is inconvenient.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 24, 2014 09:49 AM (T0NGe)

274 jwest, Aborted children are flushed down the toilet all the time by abortionists who lack souls. Fetal remains could easily be set aside and cremated with dignity. There's no reason to throw them in with soiled gloves.

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2014 09:49 AM (hFL/3)

275 On second thought, the words that come to mind are Kyrie Eleison. Lord, have mercy.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 24, 2014 09:50 AM (oMKp3)

276 My daughter and I were on campus at George Mason, getting some admission screw ups fixed. (yes, shocking, I know.) The pro life campus group had a huge display of aborted babies, comparing the genocide of the unborn to the genocides around the world-Holocaust, Rwanda, Cambodia, Ukraine (Kulak genocide, not the present) Armenia, etc. Naturally there were pro baby killers who were screaming that abortion is not genocide. My question to them was: 1. Are you vegetarians/vegans, because you don't think it's right to kill animals for food? (Guess the answer.) 2. Do you support the freeing of Mumia Al Jamal ( or whatever his name was) because the death penalty for murderers is cruel and unusual? 3. How can you justify those beliefs (because they were all answering yes) with killing babies in the womb? Do you understand what cognitive dissonance is? They couldn't, didn't know what cognitive dissonance was, and shut up because war on women's wombs. I am sad for our nation.

Posted by: moki at March 24, 2014 09:50 AM (EvHC8)

277 Wait till they turn up on a dinner menu, replacing the veal (because that's horrific how they are treated...) Dr. Lector, please pick up the blue courtesy phone.....

Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2014 09:50 AM (h1D+w)

278 The horror expressed at this is troubling me. Pathological specimens, And human body parts, tissues, including early spontaneous abortuses or products of consceptin have always been incinerated for disposal. It's gruesome in the way all medical waste disposal is gruesome, but nothing new.

Posted by: SarahW at March 24, 2014 09:50 AM (Lbv/k)

279 They got away from religion not because they didn't believe, but because believing is inconvenient. -- An Inconvenient God

Posted by: Votermom at March 24, 2014 09:50 AM (GSIDW)

280

For every atheist/agnostic reading here, there is one thing that is for certain:  You are all dead one of these days.

 

Do you want this kind of shit on your conscience??  If there is any music to face, can you defend the indiscriminate killing of babies in any developmental phase??

 

We are in the zenith of times, this is where the rot starts in every civilization...

Posted by: prescient11 at March 24, 2014 09:50 AM (tVTLU)

281 Let the sidebar be a warning to AOSHQ. NEVER SELL OUT TO SALEM COMMUNICATIONS!! 111

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 24, 2014 09:50 AM (OzZJn)

282 US hospitals could also do a much better job of "treating the whole person" when it comes to miscarriages.


So, we're not much better.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 24, 2014 01:48 PM (HDwDg)



Trust me.   I know.      But then, when   you regularly    do abortions,  why would you treat a miscarried   baby any differently than an aborted one?  Why would you expect the mother and father to feel anything more for a   miscarried child -- especially one early in the pregnancy -- than an aborted one?   They don't suddenly become a PERSON just because there were people who planned to love the    child when s/he was born.     That's just silly talk.


*makes self sick*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 09:51 AM (4df7R)

283 EU aid package meant to assure Israel that ‘PalestineÂ’ won't become a failed state By HERB KEINON 03/24/2014 18:03 inShare Select Language​▼ Partnership that EU is offering Israel and the Palestinians if peace deal is reached hopes to allay IsraelÂ’s concerns that a future Palestinian state would turn into “launching pad for attacks on Israel," EU envoy says. ???? Yeah right. And I give you the Gaza Strip!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 09:51 AM (t3UFN)

284 Amazing isn't it? How evil always creeps in and pushes wholesome out?

Posted by: maddogg at March 24, 2014 09:51 AM (xWW96)

285 I pointed out that she realistically couldn't weigh the savings of CO2 she suggested vs the space savings that cremation allows thus all she was doing was making personal preference choices masked as morality. Not that I'm running around saying "cremation FTW!" either, it was just my chosen example. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 24, 2014 01:20 PM (HDwDg) Personally, I don't have a dog in the cremation/burial fight. I think either, if done respectfully, is a fit way to treat the remains of the deceased. And for that matter, incineration as medical waste, if done respectfully, is a fit way to dispose of miscarried or aborted babies, absent a request by the family for burial. As for burning medical waste "for heat", it plain doesn't make sense. We all know, or should know, that burning green wood for heat is a bad move, because the water content saps the heat produced. Burning human (or animal) tissue is far worse. You MUST provide additional fuel to make it burn. Now, I can sort of see an argument for making a dual-purpose burner, that both heats your hospital building, and provides capacity for incinerating medical waste. But I think the "ick" factor should trump that idea, and medical waste should be incinerated in an off-site facility dedicated to that task. For instance, medical waste from hospitals in the Calgary area are incinerated at a plant in the town of Beiseker, IIRC.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2014 09:51 AM (yDmQD)

286 It's gruesome in the way all medical waste disposal is gruesome, but nothing new. -- Doesn't make it right.

Posted by: Votermom at March 24, 2014 09:51 AM (GSIDW)

287 It's gruesome in the way all medical waste disposal is gruesome, but nothing new. Posted by: SarahW at March 24, 2014 01:50 PM (Lbv/k) The "using it as a heat source" is a new fun angle.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 09:51 AM (A98Xu)

288 So killing babies is good. Because it all just boils down to that. burn 'em. put them on stakes. Hell, cover your mad max armor with baby heads, j. Cuz you're "progressive." Posted by: tangonine at March 24, 2014 01:44 PM (x3YFz) English, motherfucker, do you speak it?

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 09:51 AM (u2a4R)

289 Do not respond to the idiot that will appear here. You know who I mean. Aye, so now you're all plotting against me.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 24, 2014 09:52 AM (c1VyR)

290 Speak of the devil and he shall appear. . . Actually, we had to edit the Devil out because he bore an uncanny resemblance to Dear Leader. Flies & all.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2014 09:52 AM (h1D+w)

291 I've spent a lot of time with just some cool people. Generals. Command chiefs. Command Sgts Major. Housewives, Captains, Colonels, Staff Sergeants. Just good folk. Cajuns, Cowboys, Ranchers. The end result is there's two types of people: Protectors & Predators. jwest isn't either. just a bitch.

Posted by: tangonine at March 24, 2014 09:52 AM (x3YFz)

292 I wonder if they do the same thing with their premies?  That is one way they keep their infant mortality rate low.  They don't count them in the statistics or take extraordinary measures to save them so it would not surprise me if they dumped them in the incinerator as well.

Posted by: Thatch at March 24, 2014 09:52 AM (qYvEa)

293 The horror expressed at this is troubling me.

You're troubled that people can draw a distinction between a baby and a tumor?

Posted by: HR at March 24, 2014 09:52 AM (ZKzrr)

294 "Fetal remains could easily be set aside and cremated with dignity. There's no reason to throw them in with soiled gloves." I think there lies the problem, you or I have would have actual respect for the remains of the innocent victims, the practitioners of this practice do not. That is more of the scandal (or it should be) than the fact the remains are being incinerated on a piece of equipment that happens to have a heat exchanger to make use of process waste heat. To me the article is a bit sensationalized.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at March 24, 2014 09:52 AM (n/ogz)

295 BTW, if you're on welfare, shouldn't you feel a little squeamish about a party that thinks killing people just because they are parasites is a good thing?

Posted by: AmishDude at March 24, 2014 09:53 AM (T0NGe)

296 And I give you the Gaza Strip! --- Hey, my landing strip is clean and smooth!

Posted by: Zombie Rachel Corrie at March 24, 2014 09:53 AM (APuJ7)

297 253 We allow this shit to happen. Just as the general population of Germans knew everything that was going on in the Murder Camps. They did nothing and we do nothing.

I put myself at the top of the list of people responsible for this nightmare. Too bad I am a coward and won't do something to stop this.

God really should just lay waste to our so-called civilization for this.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2014 01:44 PM (TM1p


I have long been willing to do something about it.


The problem, for me, and this is probably a very unpopular point of view, but gonna go for it anyhow...

The problem is that, as a Christian, I am not supposed to be of the world.  These ghoulish practices fill me with bloodlust and rage, and I would sooner pick up a weapon than sit here and type... but, as a Christian, I am instructed to leave room for the vengeance of God.  If this was His Kingdom, then we would fight. 

But it isn't, and I can't. 

It is the single most maddening thing about being a Christian.  I want to fight, but I am not permitted to.  ...sometimes, I wonder where that leaves me with God, until I realize that if *I*, a fallen human, feel ready to rant, rave, and go All Guns Blazing, then His rage must be transcendental.

This world, ultimately, cannot be saved.  We are too corrupt, too dedicated to evil, and we know the world is going to come to a bloody, screaming end, because it was prophesied thousands of years ago, and all the prophecies about Christ were true.  Even if we were to fight, the End will still come; ironically, given our seething desire to do something about this now, the End will prove to be much better for everyone than anything we as humans might engineer.

It is a paralyzing dichotomy that leaves little room for action, and encourages doubt and self-reproach to a maddening degree.


Therefore, I sit, weep in rage, and pray, when really, all I want to do is wreak havoc.

21st-century Christianity is no walk in the park, to be sure...

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 24, 2014 09:54 AM (9LuAk)

298 The horror expressed at this is troubling me. Pathological specimens, And human body parts, tissues, including early spontaneous abortuses or products of consceptin have always been incinerated for disposal.

It's gruesome in the way all medical waste disposal is gruesome, but nothing new.

Posted by: SarahW at March 24, 2014 01:50 PM (Lbv/k)



It's not the incineration that is the problem.   It's the fact that it's done with absolutely no dignity.   They are destroyed as   garbage.    That is unacceptable.   Cremate them, yes.   But   don't just dump them in the fire with the    trash.  


Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 09:54 AM (4df7R)

299 Opposing this will never win us elections!

Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo and jeast at March 24, 2014 09:54 AM (Dwehj)

300 Some assert that focusing on the remains of a baby post-abortion is focusing on the wrong thing entirely, as, at that point, there isn't a strong pro-life interest in the dead (apart from affording the dead dignity in death).

In other news of the abortion debate: An atheist posts at Patheos why she is pro-life, basing her objection to abortion on humanist grounds.



Disregarding a dead human beings as mere trash IS the ultimate "humanist" position.


After all, the only real thing that separates man from all other animals AND AT THE SAME TIME gives him equality among all other humans, IS a Creator and the Creator's image within man.


Without the recognition of a Creator - there is no such thing as rights. There is only survival of the fittest among the more "advanced" and "lucky" primates.

Posted by: Something at March 24, 2014 09:54 AM (pQJEV)

301 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 24, 2014 01:51 PM (4df7R) Eh, I wish I could say Catholic institutions handle it better. They done. I've had this bone of contention with them for a while. I stopped fighting because it was like arguing with a plant. (I'm convinced most people in high roles at various Catholic Hospitals aren't actually very Pro-Life if at all, so they don't see the lack of compassion as a huge problem.) Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2014 01:51 PM (yDmQD) I confess, I wondered about this too, which makes me wonder about the story.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 24, 2014 09:54 AM (HDwDg)

302 I wonder how many BUHs (baby units of heat) the leftards went through with their discussions of global warming a couple weeks ago?

Posted by: maddogg at March 24, 2014 09:55 AM (xWW96)

303 President Barack Obama is seeking to abolish two highly successful missile programs that experts say has helped the U.S. Navy maintain military superiority for the past several decades. The Tomahawk missile program—known as “the world’s most advanced cruise missile”—is set to be cut by $128 million under Obama’s fiscal year 2015 budget proposal and completely eliminated by fiscal year 2016, according to budget documents released by the Navy. In addition to the monetary cuts to the program, the number of actual Tomahawk missiles acquired by the United States would drop significantly—from 196 last year to just 100 in 2015. The number will then drop to zero in 2016. The Navy will also be forced to cancel its acquisition of the well-regarded and highly effective Hellfire missiles in 2015, according to Obama’s proposal. The proposed elimination of these missile programs came as a shock to lawmakers and military experts, who warned ending cutting these missiles would significantly erode America’s ability to deter enemy forces. “The administration’s proposed budget dramatically under-resources our investments in munitions and leaves the Defense Department with dangerous gaps in key areas, like Tomahawk and Hellfire missiles,” said Rep. Randy Forbes (R., Va.), a member of House Armed Services Committee. “Increasing our investment in munitions and retaining our technological edge in research and development should be a key component of any serious defense strategy,” he said. The U.S. Navy relied heavily on them during the 2011 military incursion into Libya, where some 220 Tomahawks were used during the fight. Nearly 100 of these missiles are used each year on average, meaning that the sharp cuts will cause the Tomahawk stock to be completely depleted by around 2018. This is particularly concerning to defense experts because the Pentagon does not have a replacement missile ready to take the Tomahawk’s place. “It doesn’t make sense,” said Seth Cropsey, director of the Hudson Institute’s Center for American Seapower. “This really moves the U.S. away from a position of influence and military dominance.” Cropsey said that if someone were trying to “reduce the U.S. ability to shape events” in the world, “they couldn’t find a better way than depriving the U.S. fleet of Tomahawks. It’s breathtaking.” The Navy has used various incarnations of the Tomahawk with great success over the past 30 years, employing them during Desert Storm and its battle zones from Iraq and Afghanistan to the Balkans. While the military as a whole is seeing its budgets reduced and equipment scaled back, the Tomahawk cuts do not appear to be due to a lack of funds. The administration seems to be taking the millions typically spent on the Tomahawk program and investing it in an experimental missile program that experts say will not be battle ready for at least 10 years. “It is definitely short-sighted given the value of the Tomahawk as a workhorse,” said Mackenzie Eaglen, a former Pentagon staffer who analyzes military readiness. “The opening days of the U.S. lead-from-behind, ‘no-fly zone’ operation over Libya showcased how important this inventory of weapons is still today.” It's getting damn near revolution time

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 09:55 AM (t3UFN)

304

Don't forget the elderly. They light up damned good.

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That's why they dehydrate them to death. Seasoning the fuel...

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 24, 2014 09:55 AM (SO2Q8)

305 The Brits spell civilized with an "s" instead of a "z," so they're better and smarter humans than us.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 24, 2014 09:56 AM (c1VyR)

306 "Let all the babies be born. Then let us drown those we do not like." - G.K.Chesterton

Posted by: Something at March 24, 2014 09:56 AM (pQJEV)

307 Remember when we went to war because the Iraq's were dumping Kuwaiti babies out of incubaters ( which may or may not have happened)?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 09:57 AM (t3UFN)

308 Kinley Ardal, I understand what you're saying. But sidewalk counseling, prayer (witness) at abortion clinics does save some lives. There is something you can do.

Posted by: LadyS at March 24, 2014 09:57 AM (tMTsS)

309 As for burning medical waste "for heat", it plain doesn't make sense. Forget it, Jake, it's Greenenergytown.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 24, 2014 09:57 AM (T0NGe)

310 It's getting damn near revolution time Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 01:55 PM (t3UFN) You gotta flash 3 on 2 off so I don't shoot you as you approach the FOB.

Posted by: tangonine at March 24, 2014 09:57 AM (x3YFz)

311 303 - TFG is a SCOAM Traitor

Posted by: Votermom at March 24, 2014 09:57 AM (GSIDW)

312 The Navy will also be forced to cancel its acquisition of the well-regarded and highly effective Hellfire missiles in 2015, according to ObamaÂ’s proposal.



What?!?!   And lose TFG's favourite weapon for droning baddies?


Posted by: A-10 Squirrel at March 24, 2014 09:57 AM (GQ8sn)

313 BTW, if you're on welfare, shouldn't you feel a little squeamish about a party that thinks killing people just because they are parasites is a good thing? Louder please. And moar.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2014 09:58 AM (h1D+w)

314 Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 01:55 PM (t3UFN) Another reason to believe President 5 Putt does not put our national security interests first.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 09:58 AM (A98Xu)

315 104 Maybe Texas should start doing the same thing with executed criminals to give the liberals a reason to pause and think? Posted by: model_1066


I like the way you think.*


*Note to self, this guy is nutz.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 24, 2014 09:58 AM (slXFW)

316 jwest is a truth teller about abortion like Obama is a truth teller about the economy, health care, Syria, Benghzai, the election... et al.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 24, 2014 09:59 AM (fwARV)

317 The horror expressed at this is troubling me. Pathological specimens, And human body parts, tissues, including early spontaneous abortuses or products of consceptin have always been incinerated for disposal. It's gruesome in the way all medical waste disposal is gruesome, but nothing new. Posted by: SarahW at March 24, 2014 01:50 PM (Lbv/k) There is a difference in kind between the incineration of human body tissue, including miscarriages, and treating said miscarriage and/or abortion as just another used sharp. There is an inherent flinch away from the thought that if some hobo manages to avoid being taken in the hunt and dies in the hospital that he gets heaved down the chute along with those gauze pads from the surgery. Now, that may be what happens, but people don't want to know about it. To take that to the next step that human remains and human body parts are going to be incinerated in the same incinerator that is used for heat reclamation calls to mind all sorts of horrible things.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 24, 2014 09:59 AM (VtjlW)

318 As long as this isn't affecting my 401K, who cares?

Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at March 24, 2014 09:59 AM (Dwehj)

319 I would think that the type of people who perform abortions HAVE to view the dead baby as tissue rather than as human life, so the babies-as-trash is not a big leap. However, I wonder if knowledge of this practice prior to the fact would make a difference in the mind of the mother? Would it cause her to perhaps think twice?

Posted by: grammie winger at March 24, 2014 09:59 AM (oMKp3)

320 And let's not forget,   the NHS -- whether they're genuinely appalled or not -- recognized that this practice would be seen as what it is (namely a ghoulish    variety   of    corpse defilement)   and told their facilities to FUCKING STOP DOING IT.   This is not something that is happening at every   NHS facility in the UK (at least, that's what the story claims),   because   somebody   at some   point said,  "You know,    it's probably not a good idea to treat    human   remains -- fetal or otherwise -- like  kindling.   Let's make sure we don't do that."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 09:59 AM (4df7R)

321 You gotta flash 3 on 2 off so I don't shoot you as you approach the FOB. 3 on, 2 off. 10-4!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2014 09:59 AM (h1D+w)

322 Soon and very soon, we are gonna see the King...

Posted by: Somebody at March 24, 2014 10:00 AM (vgIRn)

323 308 Kinley Ardal, I understand what you're saying. But sidewalk counseling, prayer (witness) at abortion clinics does save some lives. There is something you can do.

Posted by: LadyS at March 24, 2014 01:57 PM (tMTsS)


Yes indeed.  In fact, Lila Rose is speaking for Assure Women's Center in Omaha this week.


I had debated with myself about going to the event, because I prefer to donate anonymously, but this story infuriates me enough to attend, just to spite Molech.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 24, 2014 10:00 AM (9LuAk)

324 Plunking billions into green energy boondoggles "just doesn't make sense" either but we do it.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 10:00 AM (A98Xu)

325

@312 What?!?! And lose TFG's favourite weapon for droning baddies?

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Yeah, but he'll be out of office by the time the stockpiles start to run low.  It'll be the next president's problem!

 

Posted by: junior at March 24, 2014 10:01 AM (UWFpX)

326 295 BTW, if you're on welfare, shouldn't you feel a little squeamish about a party that thinks killing people just because they are parasites is a good thing? That is waaaaay too deep for the LIV crowd.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 24, 2014 10:01 AM (7ObY1)

327 295 BTW, if you're on welfare, shouldn't you feel a little squeamish about a party that thinks killing people just because they are parasites is a good thing?



"Durrrrr, but the people on the TV tell me that the dead fetuseseses aren't people.     I'm a person, so's all good an' shit."


-LIV FSA

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 10:02 AM (4df7R)

328 234 I see the villagers have their torches in hand, ready to march the mob up the hill to burn jwest in his castle, all because he speaks words than they can't understand.

[For brevity's sake, paragraph after paragraph of blather removed]

Burn away, villagers. Silence the truth teller.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 01:41 PM (u2a4R)

++++

You've been silenced? And yet, still all the blather.

Posted by: Planned Parenthood at March 24, 2014 10:02 AM (IN7k+)

329 and jwest? Maybe it's my drill instructor side, but I want to grab you by the scruff of the neck and PT your ass until your earlobes bleed. And then PT you again until you look at the stars and wish you were dead, and then PT you again. Because I have no idea why. You just can't be that fuked up and inside there there's a man. Take point.

Posted by: tangonine at March 24, 2014 10:02 AM (x3YFz)

330 /sock

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2014 10:02 AM (IN7k+)

331 President Barack Obama is seeking to abolish two highly successful missile programs that experts say has helped the U.S. Navy maintain military superiority for the past several decades. Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 01:55 PM (t3UFN) ------ Yet we have money to play hide and seek with Kony.

Posted by: RWC at March 24, 2014 10:03 AM (fWAjv)

332 "You know, it's probably not a good idea to treat human remains -- fetal or otherwise -- like kindling. Let's make sure we don't do that." And just what would you like to do with the (potentially) infected, contagious remains? Got some spare room in your backyard?

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 10:03 AM (u2a4R)

333 Yes, those patheos comments sure give me hope that the atheists have found a coherent moral code aside from religion.

Posted by: ejo at March 24, 2014 10:04 AM (GXvSO)

334 Burning babies for fuel?

Meh. This is not the hill to die on!

Now let's CRUSH the damn Tea Baggers!!!!

Posted by: GOP at March 24, 2014 10:04 AM (pQJEV)

335 I stopped fighting because it was like arguing with a plant. (I'm convinced most people in high roles at various Catholic Hospitals aren't actually very Pro-Life if at all, so they don't see the lack of compassion as a huge problem.) ---- The same problem exists in education (particularly college). Catholic institutions should be Catholic first.

Posted by: SH at March 24, 2014 10:04 AM (gmeXX)

336 Checks number of torches in storage locker. Good to go!

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 10:04 AM (A98Xu)

337 323. I'm not good at "nudging" but, to be honest, that's what I want to do. Donating money is great but more people actually showing up outside the clinics would help. An incentive as to the event you mention: I was asked for directions by Lila Rose and her male consort at last year's March for Life. In person she is absolutely stunningly gorgeous. (The guy with her was too.)

Posted by: LadyS at March 24, 2014 10:04 AM (tMTsS)

338 Afaict, basically this is how it went in the UK: 1. Regard aborted babies as "tissue" 2. Dispose of "tissue" in medical waste bucket 3. Incinerate contents of medical waste for safety 4. Capture heat from incinerator because "green" And that's how you end up with Baby Thermal Units Here in the USA, I think we are up to step 3.

Posted by: Votermom at March 24, 2014 10:05 AM (GSIDW)

339

Most atheists find themselves inconvenienced by the concept of sin. That's it. They don't mind God (many of them replace God with something "spiritual" and weird) but they don't want a judgy God harshing their mellow.

 

See, this is why we should've had the Chill Groove Infotainment Format (TM) back when I was writing.  Think how much more popular Christianity would be if I just inserted some elevator music after the Sermon on the Mount.

Posted by: St. Matthew at March 24, 2014 10:05 AM (WDCYi)

340 In a recent column Ann Coulter said that the standard GOP answer to all upcoming election season questions on exceptions for abortions in the case of rape should be:

"Yes, of course there should be exceptions... meanwhile, I want to execute rapists while my opponent wants to give them the right to vote."

Posted by: Mega, AoS Commenter of the Millennium at March 24, 2014 10:05 AM (hHFOx)

341 Here's a good one por-example (if you must argue w/ the Children of Moloch over abortion) If they're pro-abortion, are they then *also* for lifting the restrictions on hunters shooting does (don't know the specifics, but basically it's pro-life applied to deer)?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 24, 2014 10:05 AM (PYAXX)

342

You just can't be that fuked up and inside there there's a man.

Take point

Posted by: tangonine at March 24, 2014 02:02 PM (x3YFz)

 

Protectors and predators.  Those are the only categories for men.

jwest though... he's in a column all to himself.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 24, 2014 10:05 AM (fwARV)

343 "You know, it's probably not a good idea to treat human remains -- fetal or otherwise -- like kindling. Let's make sure we don't do that." And just what would you like to do with the (potentially) infected, contagious remains? Cremate them. With respect. Not with the colostomy bag.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2014 10:05 AM (h1D+w)

344 Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 02:03 PM (u2a4R) Can you read? Alex was referring AGAIN, LIKE WE ALL ARE about the "using babies FOR FUEL" angle.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 10:06 AM (A98Xu)

345 And just what would you like to do with the (potentially) infected, contagious remains? -- Wow, I wonder what people have ben doing with dead bodies for centuries? Even unclaimed dead bodies?

Posted by: Votermom at March 24, 2014 10:06 AM (GSIDW)

346 Also, and I'm sure this is covered upthread but I am too energy efficient to go look, but does incinerating medical waste of any and all types produce any type of reclaimable heat in any kind of an efficient manner? I mean, I know that medical waste disposal units are really really really super fucking hot (official scientific designation). So I guess I can see making some kind of half assed sure hey lets run water pipes along side too and get some forced steam heat but it seems like that would be very inefficient. Also, if the Horde in interested, I have Things To Say about the bumpersticker I saw on a car in front of me today. The bumpersticker? Help for Republicans: 1-800-KEVORKIAN *eyetwitch* *eyetwitch*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 24, 2014 10:06 AM (VtjlW)

347 And just what would you like to do with the (potentially) infected, contagious remains?

Got some spare room in your backyard?

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 02:03 PM (u2a4R)



Oh fuck off, jwest.    There's a difference between cremation -- giving the remains respect and keeping them separate from   refuse  -- and    incineration as mere "clinical waste."


And that's the first time I've heard of an    aborted   or miscarried    baby being accused of being contagious or infected.     You mean like with AIDS or HIV?   I still fail to see how come that child couldn't be cremated     with a little   fucking    reverence     instead of   burned     as     fucking   GARBAGE,   you soulless heathen.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 10:06 AM (4df7R)

348 Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 02:03 PM (u2a4R) I can see how easy it is to convince people that tossing undesirable into the ovens is a good thing.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 24, 2014 10:07 AM (oMKp3)

349 I saw Fuel Babies open for Gates of Hell in 1976.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 24, 2014 10:07 AM (ZshNr)

350

Wow, I wonder what people have ben doing with dead bodies for centuries? Even unclaimed dead bodies?

 

--

 

Respect for others, even the dead, has no place in a selfish society.  It is all about me now.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2014 10:07 AM (eoeps)

351 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 24, 2014 01:01 PM (659DL)

I thought it was Moloch?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at March 24, 2014 10:07 AM (i+yr+)

352 "And just what would you like to do with the (potentially) infected, contagious remains? " God, you're so fucking dense. No one has an issue with human remains being incinerated (unless they are specifically against cremation in general for everyone). Our issue is *how* the remains are treated. Are they set aside and given the respect that human remains deserve, or are they thrown in with a bunch of used syringes and pee pads?

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2014 10:07 AM (hFL/3)

353

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 01:55 PM (t3UFN)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

But don't you see?   With the money released from this defense spending, we can finally get the "Free Houses for the Poor" program off the ground.

 

It's for the good of the people.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2014 10:08 AM (6RUDX)

354 Part of me is glad the military budget is being cut seeing as how the only thing that the US military is going to be deployed against anytime soon is its own population.

Posted by: navybrat at March 24, 2014 10:08 AM (JgC5a)

355 Has to be more to the story. That's insane otherwise. Adam Kredo ‏@Kredo0 FLASH: Obama is seeking to completely eliminate the Tomahawk and Hellfire Missile Programs http://goo.gl/e5fD8B

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 10:08 AM (ZPrif)

356 Jesus is coming back with a set of scales and a good lawyer; Satan.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at March 24, 2014 10:08 AM (i+yr+)

357

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 24, 2014 02:06 PM (4df7R)

 

To jwest, babies aren't people. 

 

Once you wrap your head around that, it's not hard to see how he can honestly ask what the big deal is.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 24, 2014 10:08 AM (fwARV)

358 I can see how easy it is to convince people that tossing undesirable into the ovens is a good thing. Posted by: grammie winger at March 24, 2014 02:07 PM (oMKp3) Exactly, because if they can be used FUEL why shouldn't they be used to keep me at a comfortable temperature?

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 10:09 AM (A98Xu)

359 Why all of the angst over this?

Posted by: Zombie Charles Henri-Sanson at March 24, 2014 10:09 AM (Dwehj)

360 And just what would you like to do with the (potentially) infected, contagious remains?



So now the innocent unborn are officially compared with disease?


Posted by: Something at March 24, 2014 10:09 AM (pQJEV)

361 The new Chevy Kid. 25mpb City/35mpb Hwy

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 24, 2014 10:09 AM (c1VyR)

362 A possible explanation is if there's some new weapon which replaces both missiles.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 10:09 AM (ZPrif)

363 346 Also, and I'm sure this is covered upthread but I am too energy efficient to go look, but does incinerating medical waste of any and all types produce any type of reclaimable heat in any kind of an efficient manner? I mean, I know that medical waste disposal units are really really really super fucking hot (official scientific designation). So I guess I can see making some kind of half assed sure hey lets run water pipes along side too and get some forced steam heat but it seems like that would be very inefficient. Also, if the Horde in interested, I have Things To Say about the bumpersticker I saw on a car in front of me today. The bumpersticker? Help for Republicans: 1-800-KEVORKIAN *eyetwitch* *eyetwitch* Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 24, 2014 02:06 PM (VtjlW) The process by itself is inefficient, you are essentially burning garbage (not saying the babies are garbage), at extreme temperatures to destroy it, so any heat that is reclaimed for any other productive use is a bonus, and improves the overall system efficiency. In theory this would unload the boilers they are using to make heat for the building and improve the efficiency of that system.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at March 24, 2014 10:10 AM (n/ogz)

364 “My sense at the present time that the Speaker doesn't have the support of the conference,” says South Carolina Republican Rep. Jeff Duncan about John Boehner. Another member of the House privately estimates that 40 Republican lawmakers would vote against Boehner on the floor and says “I've seen a running total.”

“Believe me, they're not going to go through the national embarrassment -- all of the cameras are on the floor -- they're not going to go through that. A leader will emerge before that happens,” the source adds.

Posted by: Neil Armstrong at March 24, 2014 10:10 AM (e8kgV)

365

So now the innocent unborn are officially compared with disease?

 

Posted by: Something at March 24, 2014 02:09 PM (pQJEV)

 

Obama:  'punished with a baby.'

 

jwest: 'infected, contagious remains.'

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 24, 2014 10:10 AM (fwARV)

366 To jwest, babies aren't people.

Once you wrap your head around that, it's not hard to see how he can honestly ask what the big deal is.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 24, 2014 02:08 PM (fwARV)



It pains me to know that there are people who can read this story and not HURT.   I'm sitting here in fucking tears over this.   Maybe that's stupid and girly, but if   that's stupid and girly then I'll   take it over    the alternative.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 10:10 AM (4df7R)

367 Respect for others, even the dead, has no place in a selfish society. It is all about me now. Posted by: Vashta Nerada "They" may want to rethink their position. Because IF it becomes all about "ME", I'm armed & they aren't.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 24, 2014 10:10 AM (h1D+w)

368 347 I absolutely and positively love you. JWest is a fucktard of the most fucktardedness.

Posted by: Mrs. Mittens, still waiting for spring at March 24, 2014 10:10 AM (8m3cb)

369 The poll in that article tells me that 38% of Catholics aren't really Catholics.

Posted by: Elephant in the Room at March 24, 2014 10:10 AM (Ggh94)

370 It's already been pointed out that using human remains for fuel is pretty much impossible. You put more energy into it than you get back. So what was the Telegraph talking about with the "waste to energy" plants? Did the hospitals just rename their incinerators "waste to energy plants"? That seems most likely.

Posted by: kartoffel at March 24, 2014 10:11 AM (sWwJZ)

371 337 323. I'm not good at "nudging" but, to be honest, that's what I want to do. Donating money is great but more people actually showing up outside the clinics would help.
An incentive as to the event you mention:
I was asked for directions by Lila Rose and her male consort at last year's March for Life. In person she is absolutely stunningly gorgeous. (The guy with her was too.)

Posted by: LadyS at March 24, 2014 02:04 PM (tMTsS)


I like to help where I can.  I do feel guilty as hell that it is only money, but I do not think I could stand outside Planned Parenthood, seeing people go in, knowing what is going to happen only yards away from me, knowing that I could prevent the act... and not lose my mind.


Lord forgive me, but I know myself, and I know that I won't be able to do it.  I cannot go.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 24, 2014 10:11 AM (9LuAk)

372 A possible explanation is if there's some new weapon which replaces both missiles.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 02:09 PM (ZPrif)



There's one mentioned in the story, but not elaborated on.  Until it's combat proven, we shouldn't be retiring something that works well.



Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 10:11 AM (GQ8sn)

373 Posted by: grammie winger at March 24, 2014 02:07 PM (oMKp3)

And it's roughly 1/3rd of this country. And 99.9% of them vote the same way.

Posted by: Mega, AoS Commenter of the Millennium at March 24, 2014 10:11 AM (hHFOx)

374 It pains me to know that there are people who can read this story and not HURT. I'm sitting here in fucking tears over this. Maybe that's stupid and girly, but if that's stupid and girly then I'll take it over the alternative.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 24, 2014 02:10 PM (4df7R)

 

Whatever it is, it beats being morally benighted and soulless.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2014 10:11 AM (DrWcr)

375 Can you read? Alex was referring AGAIN, LIKE WE ALL ARE about the "using babies FOR FUEL" angle. Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 02:06 PM (A98Xu) And once again... can you understand? No one is using babies for fuel. Try to let that sink in for a moment. I know, you read the headline, and that's what the headline said. But it's not true. Babies are not being used to heat hospitals. You only think that because some liberal writer wanted to make you go ape-shit crazy, so he took a few facts, twisted them around so that stupid people would think they mean something it doesn't, and stuck it on the internet. Take a breath. Slow the fuck down. Think.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 10:12 AM (u2a4R)

376 A possible explanation is if there's some new weapon which replaces both missiles.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 02:09 PM (ZPrif)



Reset Button, Mark II has shown a lot of promise in testing.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 24, 2014 10:12 AM (8ZskC)

377 The Good Wife, at its heart, is the “Education of Alicia Florrick.” To us, there always was a tragedy at the center of Will and Alicia’s relationship: the tragedy of bad timing. And when faced with the gut punch of Josh’s decision, made over a year ago, to move on to other creative endeavors, we had a major choice to make.

We could “send him off to Seattle,” he could be disbarred, or get married, or go off to Borneo to do good works. But there was something in the passion that Will and Alicia shared that made distance a meager hurdle. The brutal honesty and reality of death speaks to the truth and tragedy of bad timing for these two characters. Will’s death propels Alicia into her newest incarnation.

Posted by: Hatch Chiles at March 24, 2014 10:12 AM (e8kgV)

378 Did the hospitals just rename their incinerators "waste to energy plants"? That seems most likely. Posted by: kartoffel at March 24, 2014 02:11 PM (sWwJZ) Well then, everything is fine.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 10:12 AM (A98Xu)

379 A possible explanation is if there's some new weapon which replaces both missiles.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 02:09 PM (ZPrif)



Come now, Flatbush.   You and I both know that's   not the case.   You really think Obammy would suspend current missile programs for a new   weapon   and not   blab   every fucking detail of that weapon     to anyone with a pair of functional ears     like a   Tourette's-afflicted    Chatty Cathy doll?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 10:12 AM (4df7R)

380 308 Kinley Ardal, I understand what you're saying. But sidewalk counseling, prayer (witness) at abortion clinics does save some lives. There is something you can do. Posted by: LadyS at March 24, 2014 01:57 PM (tMTsS) ----------------------------- There is a woman who spends about 15 hrs a week at the Planned P near here. Happens to be an agnostic and kind of a hippie. All she does is hold a sign saying I REGRET MY ABORTION. She'll never know whether it makes a difference. She says she can't stop because maybe, just maybe the next person coming there will be the one who changes her mind. She just keeps on holding that sign. In the cold, in the rain.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 24, 2014 10:12 AM (dfYL9)

381

Hey! You know what? Since we already use animal by-products for pet food.....

Posted by: Pragmatic Statesman at March 24, 2014 10:12 AM (pQJEV)

382 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 24, 2014 02:10 PM (4df7R)

It's so ghoulish I can't even read the comments. And I love reading comments.

Posted by: Mega, AoS Commenter of the Millennium at March 24, 2014 10:13 AM (hHFOx)

383 As an addenda, the people who do perform that function... to stand outside, to witness to the uncertain, to respond with hymns to the unadulterated barbarity being perpetrated only yards away... they have the greatest respect and admiration from me, and I envy them that strength and restraint.  I wish to God I could be like that.


I wish to high Heaven I could be like that.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 24, 2014 10:13 AM (9LuAk)

384 And I'm considering calling the surgery center where I had my d&c and asking what they do with the remains. I can't imagine that the answer is "heat the building" but who fucking knows anymore.

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2014 10:13 AM (hFL/3)

385 Losing the TLAM-C? Lmfao...we're fucked.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at March 24, 2014 10:13 AM (GpU8f)

386 Business Insider is very pleased to announce former New York City mayoral candidate and Congressman Anthony Weiner will be contributing a new monthly column to our politics page.

The new column, which will be titled "Weiner!," will run on the last Friday of each month beginning this week. It will feature Weiner's thoughts on the top political issues of the day imbued with his unique insider's perspective.

Posted by: Kent Dorfman at March 24, 2014 10:13 AM (e8kgV)

387 And for tangonine. Go fuck yourself. Then go take a reading comprehension course.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 10:13 AM (u2a4R)

388
Obama: 'punished with a baby.'

jwest: 'infected, contagious remains.'

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 24, 2014 02:10 PM (fwARV)




Was it    the   satanic whore   Amanda Marcotte   who   said that    pro-lifers are hypocrites because  we kill millions of innocent bacteria everyday    and think nothing of it?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 10:14 AM (4df7R)

389 Babies are not being used to heat hospitals. -- Yes they are, along with other medical waste. The waste has to be burned anyway, so they capture the heat. Google "waste to energy UK".

Posted by: Votermom at March 24, 2014 10:14 AM (GSIDW)

390 Spare the fuel rod, singe the child

Posted by: Green-eyed side of history at March 24, 2014 10:14 AM (wu/TK)

391 It's already been pointed out that using human remains for fuel is pretty much impossible. You put more energy into it than you get back. So what was the Telegraph talking about with the "waste to energy" plants? Did the hospitals just rename their incinerators "waste to energy plants"? That seems most likely.

Posted by: kartoffel at March 24, 2014 02:11 PM (sWwJZ)



The hospital is reclaiming some of the heat energy used in the incinerator to heat the building.


Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 10:14 AM (GQ8sn)

392 I dated a good Catholic girl who got pregnant her Freshman year in College. Not by me, I met her a few years later. She didn't tell anyone except the father. She was actually in the abortion clinic before she ran out screaming. She had her son and, true to form, felt huge amounts of guilt over almost killing him. I had and have so much respect for her, choosing not to take that path.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2014 01:43 PM (P7Wsr)


A fellow college student and good friend did this. None of us knew, as she managed to have the baby out of state during a school break and put him up for adoption. I have always admired her for this, as that same state offered abortions....which another former friend had done due to the inconvenience of being in college.


Guess which friend is normal, happy,  married, has children and a great career?


Guess which former friend went on to law school and is a total fubar with all relationships and, now, also career (due to greed and picking criminal partners. She also decided, waaaay into her advancing age, that she wanted a kid with second husband. Tried in vitro several times. Never conceived. I think jealous of all who have kids, but not sure, with her malignant narcissism, if she connects her probable guilt of aborting one or two clumps of cells and never conceiving when she sort of wanted to. Narcissists don't feel guilt, ever. But she was never the same, I can vouch for that, after her first abortion. She claims the second was a miscarriage...but she also lies a lot.


Coincidence? Maybe yes, maybe no. As she is the only person I have known who had an abortion this is my story.


Someday I WILL march with the Sisters of Life order in DC. They are based in NYC if any of you want to google. Awesome order of nuns.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at March 24, 2014 10:14 AM (baL2B)

393 Kinley, It is soul crushing. I won't lie. Being so near to absolute evil and standing as a last line of defense makes me shake, literally. It is a very, very dark place.

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2014 10:15 AM (hFL/3)

394 *shoves all the chocolate through USB port for MWR* The process by itself is inefficient, you are essentially burning garbage (not saying the babies are garbage), at extreme temperatures to destroy it, so any heat that is reclaimed for any other productive use is a bonus, and improves the overall system efficiency. In theory this would unload the boilers they are using to make heat for the building and improve the efficiency of that system. Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at March 24, 2014 02:10 PM (n/ogz) Thank you, that's more or less how I conceptualized it. Since you are running an incinerator at extreme temperatures and since there is/may be some residual heat, then link that in to the boiler system to balance system load. If that has some marginal efficiency, okay then. The issue then becomes what is being fed into the incinerator and how are those items treated before incineration. I'm going to be honest here. I have a sneaking suspicion that medical waste ends up being rather like following all of the varied recycling trucks and discovering everything ends up at the landfill anyway. If anyone can confirm that? Don't. Honest question, no snark. Do crematoriums use the same kind of heat capture system?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 24, 2014 10:15 AM (VtjlW)

395 Take a breath. Slow the fuck down. Think. Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 02:12 PM (u2a4R) hahahahaÂ….You're a clown. I can see why commenters here don't take you seriously. Pro tip: Get your meds adjusted.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 10:15 AM (A98Xu)

396 Buford Pusser clubbin'. Sometimes, it is the only answer.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 24, 2014 10:15 AM (659DL)

397 Posted by: Hatch Chiles at March 24, 2014 02:12 PM (e8kgV) I confess I have no idea why you posted this.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 24, 2014 10:15 AM (oMKp3)

398 Make no mistake: The Military is being Gutted one Value at a time, One Service at a time, One weapons system at a time, One Base at a time, One Salary at a time.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 10:16 AM (t3UFN)

399 The new column, which will be titled "Weiner!," will run on the last Friday of each month beginning this week. It will feature Weiner's thoughts on the top political issues of the day imbued with his unique insider's perspective.

Posted by: Kent Dorfman at March 24, 2014 02:13 PM (e8kgV)



Oh God.   You're kidding.   Please tell me this is a joke.  PLEASE TELL ME IT'S A JOKE.



I mean... I could almost maybe kind of sorta understand Carlos Danger getting a political column.   But... "Weiner!"   Seriously??

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 10:17 AM (4df7R)

400 `Help for Republicans: 1-800-KEVORKIAN

***

Dumbshit is apparently unaware that Jack the Dripper has been worm chow for a while now.

Posted by: cool arrow at March 24, 2014 10:17 AM (Dqdyh)

401 Spare the fuel rod, broil the child.

Posted by: fixed at March 24, 2014 10:17 AM (UhUYk)

402 hey how did burning babies work out for the Nazis?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 10:17 AM (t3UFN)

403 I think we should pay hospital waste disposal experts 500K a year, with an extra 500K if they don't burn any babies.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 24, 2014 10:17 AM (ZshNr)

404 The hospital is reclaiming some of the heat energy used in the incinerator to heat the building. Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 02:14 PM (GQ8sn) Is the heat recycling efficient? I don't know. But the hospital itself is saying the incinerator is used to heat the building.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 10:17 AM (A98Xu)

405 The JAGM is supposed to replace the Hellfire. And it's supposed to do it soon, within years. LRASM is, I think, supposed to replace the Tomahawk. The new missile names all suck. The old ones apparently sounded too war-like.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 10:18 AM (ZPrif)

406

“My sense at the present time that the Speaker doesn't have the support of the conference,” says South Carolina Republican Rep. Jeff Duncan about John Boehner. Another member of the House privately estimates that 40 Republican lawmakers would vote against Boehner on the floor and says “I've seen a running total.”

“Believe me, they're not going to go through the national embarrassment -- all of the cameras are on the floor -- they're not going to go through that. A leader will emerge before that happens,” the source adds.

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

Aaaannnd, what exactly are you talking about here?  Votes for what? 

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2014 10:18 AM (6RUDX)

407 403 I think we should pay hospital waste disposal experts 500K a year, with an extra 500K if they don't burn any babies.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 24, 2014 02:17 PM (ZshNr)

 

Give them $25,000 vouchers.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2014 10:18 AM (DrWcr)

408 380 There is a woman who spends about 15 hrs a week at the Planned P near here. Happens to be an agnostic and kind of a hippie.
All she does is hold a sign saying I REGRET MY ABORTION.

She'll never know whether it makes a difference.
She says she can't stop because maybe, just maybe the next person coming there will be the one who changes her mind.
She just keeps on holding that sign. In the cold, in the rain.



"You are the light of the world. A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and then put it under a bushel basket; it is set on a lampstand, where it gives light to all in the house." - Matthew 5:14-15

Posted by: Pragmatic Statesman at March 24, 2014 10:18 AM (pQJEV)

409 I've heard from plenty of atheists about why abortion is wrong. Its so blatantly and obviously an immoral horror only someone crazed or with a conscience so "seared" by continuous exposure to indoctrination... or someone who never bothered to think it through... could possibly argue otherwise.
There's no place in any civilized society for killing babies. None.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2014 10:18 AM (zfY+H)

410 If hospitals are burning Babies, I suggest we just burn the Hospitals instead.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 10:18 AM (t3UFN)

411 Jwest's problem with Auchwitz is that the incinerators weren't efficient.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2014 10:19 AM (eoeps)

412 The following statement by Tymoshenko, after asked, rhetorically, by her counterparty, "what should we do now with the 8 million Russians that stayed in Ukraine. They are outcasts"... to which she replies: "They must be killed with nuclear weapons."

Posted by: Lee Harvey Oswald at March 24, 2014 10:19 AM (e8kgV)

413 There's no place in any civilized society for killing babies. None. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2014 02:18 PM (zfY+H) Amen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 10:19 AM (t3UFN)

414 Kinley,

It is soul crushing. I won't lie. Being so near to absolute evil and standing as a last line of defense makes me shake, literally.

It is a very, very dark place.

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2014 02:15 PM (hFL/3)

You and all those like you will have reward in the Kingdom that will surpass all that mankind has ever dreamed of, if indeed there could be any greater joy than to see the utter, final failure of the abortionists to destroy those children, as they are reborn in the light of the King.


May God bless you and yours with abundance as only He can.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 24, 2014 10:19 AM (9LuAk)

415 This calls for Midnight Oil, stat!

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 24, 2014 10:19 AM (ZshNr)

416 81 fixerupper:

And yet we, we are the ones on defense FOR TRYING TO SAVE THE LIVES OF INNOCENT POOR MINORITY-IN-LARGE-PART BABIES????

The fact that we have not taken the gloves off and come back swinging every fucking time the issue is brought up is WHY THOSE RUNNING THE SHOW SUCK ASS.

How fucking hard is this????? Do we have absolute fucking retards doing the messaging??
============
Yes.

Somehow, "But you are fucking killing babies!!" is never the response to "war on women" bullshit.

And it should be the first thing said every time.

That's all we have to say--it's always been killing babies for mere convenience. Make them fucking evil bastards defend that over and over and over and over. 

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 24, 2014 10:20 AM (VjL9S)

417 Kinsey Ardal, we all have different abilities. Do what you can do and don't sweat the other things. Margarita DeVille, a prayer for that lady and her child.

Posted by: LadyS at March 24, 2014 10:20 AM (tMTsS)

418 Honest question, no snark. Do crematoriums use the same kind of heat capture system?

In the UK: http://is.gd/ktOjZ4

Posted by: HR at March 24, 2014 10:20 AM (ZKzrr)

419 So, there's a chance this story about the missiles is BS. Especially if whoever got the JAGM contract is different from whoever has the Hellfire contract.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 10:20 AM (ZPrif)

420 Honest question, no snark. Do crematoriums use the same kind of heat capture system?


I don't see any sacred purpose being served in just allowing the waste heat to go out the exhaust vent.  If there is a practical way to reclaim some of it, I wouldn't have a problem with that.  The real issue is whether the remains that are incinerated are treated with appropriate respect, not what happens to the waste heat after the remains are consumed.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 24, 2014 10:21 AM (8ZskC)

421 *shoves all the chocolate through USB port for MWR*



Arigatou, AtC-san.   *nom nom    sniffle    nom*


RE: your bumper sticker story.   I saw one the other day that read:


"Got Potholes?  Blame Republicans"


I wanted to pull the guy over, stick my head out my window, and say,  "Shovel-ready   jobs, motherfucker.   Do you speak it?"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 10:21 AM (4df7R)

422 411 Jwest's problem with Auchwitz is that the incinerators weren't efficient. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2014 02:19 PM (eoeps) HA! That's the sense I'm getting. I don't give a shit how efficient hospital incinerator to energy via bio waste fuel is, just the idea as Alex said leads us down paths we shouldn't ever think to go.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 10:21 AM (A98Xu)

423 I am the king of fucking reading comprehension! How dare you repute me!1!

Posted by: jeast at March 24, 2014 10:21 AM (Dwehj)

424 Thanks for all the help on this thread, Ace. I guess if I need you, you'll be behind that bush over there.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 10:21 AM (u2a4R)

425 418 Sick brits.

Posted by: Votermom at March 24, 2014 10:21 AM (GSIDW)

426 Thank you, Kinley. God bless you as well.

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2014 10:22 AM (hFL/3)

427

For the left, to treat the remains with respect undermines the whole rationale of abortion, that it's a lump of tissue.

My guess is that these remains are treated similarly to how removed tumors, organs and limbs are treated when surgically removed.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 24, 2014 10:22 AM (SO2Q8)

428 Why do we need new missiles when we can catapult trannies at 'em?

Posted by: RWC at March 24, 2014 10:22 AM (fWAjv)

429 "She says she can't stop because maybe, just maybe the next person coming there will be the one who changes her mind. "
Its worth a shot. Almost every woman I know of who got an abortion regrets it. That's a decision you never live down, ever. As someone once said, an abortion doesn't make you 'unpregnant.' It makes you the mother of a dead baby.
And that's why I think we need to show compassion and patience with women doing this. Yes, the process is ghastly and abortion is an abomination, but most of those women are driven to it not by casual slut lifestyle or cruelty, but by desperation, fear, and feeling trapped and terrified. They need our love and to be shown a better way.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2014 10:22 AM (zfY+H)

430 I think Lockheed makes both the Hellfire and it's upcoming replacement, JAGM (Joint Air-Ground Missile).

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 10:23 AM (ZPrif)

431 I'm sorry, Jwest, do you assume that ace is on your side on this one? Why would you assume that?

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2014 10:23 AM (hFL/3)

432 Babies are not being used to heat hospitals. You only think that because some liberal writer wanted to make you go ape-shit crazy, so he took a few facts, twisted them around so that stupid people would think they mean something it doesn't, and stuck it on the internet. Take a breath. Slow the fuck down. Think. Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 02:12 PM (u2a4R) Okay. I shall think.
Fetal remains, from whatever source, are being incinerated as medical waste. The incinerator for medial waste is being used to heat the building. Thus, it is entirely proper to note that fetal remains are being used to heat the building. Now, if you want to advance the proposition that no matter how distasteful it is to consider the fact that at some point fetal remains must be disposed and that one of the most efficient and sanitary ways to do so is by incineration and that it is inefficient to have a separate disposal unit for fetal remains and thus, sadly, the brutal reality of it is that fetal remains compose a fractional part of an incineration process that also provides heat to the building, that's one thing. But to call people stupid for being able to understand that, yuppers, fetal remains heat the building is quite another indeed.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 24, 2014 10:23 AM (VtjlW)

433 http://www.finance.hq.navy.mil/FMB/15pres/DON_PB15_Press_Brief.pdf So, there's a chance this story about the missiles is BS. Especially if whoever got the JAGM contract is different from whoever has the Hellfire contract. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 02:20 PM (ZPrif) Nope: the link above is straight out of a DOD Briefing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 10:23 AM (t3UFN)

434 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2014 02:22 PM (zfY+H) Amen.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 24, 2014 10:24 AM (oMKp3)

435 Now it's ace's fault. What?

Posted by: Mega, AoS Commenter of the Millennium at March 24, 2014 10:24 AM (hHFOx)

436

And once again... can you understand?

No one is using babies for fuel.

Try to let that sink in for a moment. I know, you read the headline, and that's what the headline said.

But it's not true.

Babies are not being used to heat hospitals.

You only think that because some liberal writer wanted to make you go ape-shit crazy, so he took a few facts, twisted them around so that stupid people would think they mean something it doesn't, and stuck it on the internet.

Take a breath. Slow the fuck down. Think.

 

From the article in question:

 

One of the country’s leading hospitals, Addenbrooke’s in Cambridge, incinerated 797 babies below 13 weeks gestation at their own ‘waste to energy’ plant. The mothers were told the remains had been ‘cremated.’

 

Another ‘waste to energy’ facility at Ipswich Hospital, operated by a private contractor, incinerated 1,101 foetal remains between 2011 and 2013.

 

They were brought in from another hospital before being burned, generating energy for the hospital site. Ipswich Hospital itself disposes of remains by cremation.

 

OK, jwest, please explain what a 'waste to energy' plant does if it does not heat hospitals.  And then explain why we should be cool with that.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 24, 2014 10:24 AM (zF6Iw)

437 406 “My sense at the present time that the Speaker doesn't have the support of the conference,” says South Carolina Republican Rep. Jeff Duncan about John Boehner. Another member of the House privately estimates that 40 Republican lawmakers would vote against Boehner on the floor and says “I've seen a running total.” “Believe me, they're not going to go through the national embarrassment -- all of the cameras are on the floor -- they're not going to go through that. A leader will emerge before that happens,” the source adds. ------------------------------------------------ Aaaannnd, what exactly are you talking about here? Votes for what? --- A new Speaker would be my guess. There are enough votes to block Boehner from getting it, though I'm not sure there is a candidate that would be seen as a shoe-in to replace him yet.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at March 24, 2014 10:24 AM (APuJ7)

438 413 There's no place in any civilized society for killing babies. None.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2014 02:18 PM (zfY+H)


Amen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 02:19 PM (t3UFN)

Yeah like you care about welfare moms mamzer kids.

Posted by: Microfiche at March 24, 2014 10:24 AM (bVHVL)

439 "Honest question, no snark. Do crematoriums use the same kind of heat capture system? Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 24, 2014 02:15 PM (VtjlW)" I would say probably not, I'm not too familiar with those systems, but my guess is that they are small facilities and use their "cremator" or what ever it's called specific to that purpose, and they are probably paid more than enough to cover the operating costs to do so. For the hospitals on the other hand waste disposal is a use cost, so if they can get some some side benefit from reclaiming waste heat, it's good for them. I'm viewing this from an engineering standpoint, and an absolutist on the abortion issue. I am against it 100% of the time. But looking at it logically from the practitioner standpoint this makes sense. They are looking at the end result of their process as something warranting humane treatment. These are the same people that throw the live babies in a bucket in a closet until they die. It's a horror show before the remains are incinerated. Being burned with the dirty latex gloves is probably the most humane part of the process, which is depressing.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at March 24, 2014 10:24 AM (n/ogz)

440 424: Comment of the year.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at March 24, 2014 10:25 AM (GpU8f)

441 424 Thanks for all the help on this thread, Ace. I guess if I need you, you'll be behind that bush over there. Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 02:21 PM (u2a4R What??? Ace is supposed to support your comments in some way?

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 10:25 AM (A98Xu)

442 Is the heat recycling efficient? I don't know. But the hospital itself is saying the incinerator is used to heat the building.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 02:17 PM (A98Xu)


I'm not sure of the energy efficiency percentage, but the incinerator generates a lot of heat to completely destroy whatever biological waste and contaminated items are put into it.  It makes sense from a business standpoint to recapture some of that energy instead of letting it radiate into space.  The problem, as AtC, stated is when they start throwing in aborted remains in there as waste products.  The optics are simply too horrible.


I understand what jwest is saying, and I have to defend him on this.  There is no mention that the incinerator is using the aborted remains as fuel.  The incinerator does not run on what is thrown in there like a coal furnace.  You cannot simply dump human biological matter into a trash can or landfill.  It has to be incinerated.  The fact that these hospitals are dumping aborted remains into the incinerators alongside the usual human biological medical waste is fuckuppery on a massive scale.  If aborted babies have to be disposed of, it can't be done in a manner that appears to provide a benefit to anyone. 

Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 10:25 AM (GQ8sn)

443 Meanwhile, the experimental anti-ship cruise missile meant to replace the Tomahawk program will not be battle ready for at least 10 years, according to some experts. The Long Range Anti Ship Missile has suffered from extremely expensive development costs and has underperformed when tested. “You have to ask yourself: An anti-ship missile is not going to be something we can drive into a cave in Tora Bora,” Russell said. “To replace it with something not needed as badly, and invest in something not even capable of passing basic tests, that causes real concern.” The Pentagon did not return requests for comment. ???? Kinda reminds ya of the F-35 ha?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 10:25 AM (t3UFN)

444 375 No one is using babies for fuel.


Oh. So.... they're only incinerating them like insignificant diseased biowaste... but they're not using the heat for alternative means.


Whew! That's a relief!

Posted by: Something at March 24, 2014 10:25 AM (pQJEV)

445 Help me Obi-Ace Kenobi! You're my only hope! ---- Seriously though, that was pathetic.

Posted by: RWC at March 24, 2014 10:25 AM (fWAjv)

446 Speaking purely from a physics perspective, isn't the burning of human remains an endothermic process? I cannot see how this -and yes, I think it's horrible- could be a way in which excess heat could be generated and used.

This has probably been asked and answered above, but I'm too lazy to read it all.

Posted by: physics geek at March 24, 2014 10:25 AM (MT22W)

447 Sigh. I've let my passive-aggressive nature get the best of me.

Posted by: jeast at March 24, 2014 10:25 AM (Dwehj)

448 What now? Whose bush is Ace hiding in?

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 24, 2014 10:26 AM (ZshNr)

449 When they said "waste to energy", they didn't mean "waste to energy". In fact, they didn't mean "waste" or "energy". And they certainly didn't mean "to".

You have misinterpreted three words because you are stupid.

Posted by: Mega, AoS Commenter of the Millennium at March 24, 2014 10:26 AM (hHFOx)

450 Yeah like you care about welfare moms mamzer kids. Posted by: Microfiche at March 24, 2014 02:24 PM (bVHVL) Fuck you comes to mind

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 10:26 AM (t3UFN)

451 remember when SPOCK sacrificed for THE GOOD OF THE MANY? Spock is an ASS.

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at March 24, 2014 10:26 AM (c1VyR)

452 Every time we reduce part of our fellow man to less than human it seems to end up with ovens.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2014 10:26 AM (zfY+H)

453 I don't see any sacred purpose being served in just allowing the waste heat to go out the exhaust vent. If there is a practical way to reclaim some of it, I wouldn't have a problem with that. The real issue is whether the remains that are incinerated are treated with appropriate respect, not what happens to the waste heat after the remains are consumed.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 24, 2014 02:21 PM (8ZskC)



This.     I have no problem with saying,  "This crematorium produces a lot of heat that could be used to do XYZ."    I don't particularly want that heat being used to warm up swimming pools, as HR mentioned earlier, but   I have no problem using that heat for some beneficial purpose.   The heat is just an   effect of the cremation process.    Hell,   once we're planted in the ground   our bodies decompose    and contribute whatever    that contributes to the ground and microbes and bugs around us.   This isn't much different.   


However,    that is different than saying, "Pitch the babies in the furnace.   Ellen's   about to   start and she's talking to Kim Kardashian.  I don't wanna miss it!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 10:26 AM (4df7R)

454 Joule: a measure of energy gained from obsolete family jewels.

Posted by: Suss the stainable at March 24, 2014 10:26 AM (wu/TK)

455 431 I'm sorry, Jwest, do you assume that ace is on your side on this one? Why would you assume that? Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2014 02:23 PM (hFL/3) Because Ace is smart enough to know what the truth is and why the Telegraph author used the words he did to incite the rabble.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 10:27 AM (u2a4R)

456 What's a mamzer kid?

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 24, 2014 10:27 AM (ZshNr)

457 Yeah like you care about welfare moms mamzer kids. Posted by: Microfiche at March 24, 2014 02:24 PM (bVHVL) sigh

Posted by: RWC at March 24, 2014 10:27 AM (fWAjv)

458 Right, that briefing zeroes out Hellfire production. Then ramps ups JAGM production a few years later. Cause JAGM is the replacement. Depending on inventory levels of Hellfire that might be prudent and wise, or short-sighted and stupid.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 24, 2014 10:27 AM (ZPrif)

459 If YOU want to die for the "good of the many," okay. But it's NOT OKAY for YOU to KILL OTHERS for the "good of the many."

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 24, 2014 10:27 AM (c1VyR)

460 It's lonely at the bottom.

Posted by: jeast at March 24, 2014 10:27 AM (Dwehj)

461 452 Every time we reduce part of our fellow man to less than human it seems to end up with ovens. I just wanted that repeated.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 24, 2014 10:28 AM (oMKp3)

462 Once more from MY intellectually superior "castle".

Fire can't melt tissue it's SCIENCE, GOOGLE IT1!111!!!!111!

Posted by: jeast - better than you[/i] [/b] at March 24, 2014 10:28 AM (5ikDv)

463 That's the unhappiest chicken I ever saw.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 24, 2014 10:28 AM (Ysbcl)

464

Yeah like you care about welfare moms mamzer kids.
Posted by: Microfiche

 

--

Well, if you mean by care giving thousands to charities that directly support children in poverty each year, then yes, I do care.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 24, 2014 10:28 AM (eoeps)

465 429 Almost every woman I know of who got an abortion regrets it. That's a decision you never live down, ever. As someone once said, an abortion doesn't make you 'unpregnant.' It makes you the mother of a dead baby. And that's why I think we need to show compassion and patience with women doing this. Yes, the process is ghastly and abortion is an abomination, but most of those women are driven to it not by casual slut lifestyle or cruelty, but by desperation, fear, and feeling trapped and terrified. They need our love and to be shown a better way. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2014 02:22 PM (zfY+H) -------------------------- Double AMEN.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 24, 2014 10:28 AM (dfYL9)

466 >>Because Ace is smart enough to know what the truth is and why the Telegraph author used the words he did to incite the rabble.

Doesn't mean he's as eager to stick his dick in a blender as you are.

Posted by: kartoffel at March 24, 2014 10:28 AM (sWwJZ)

467 Posted by: physics geek at March 24, 2014 02:25 PM (MT22W) Yes, in fact, we have covered that issue. Refer to comment 432.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 10:28 AM (A98Xu)

468

I guess if I need you, you'll be behind that bush over there.

 

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 02:21 PM (u2a4R)

 

Assuming Ace is on your side (protip: he's probably not), why do you need him to get in the fight here? 

 

Not man enough to stand with the courage of your convictions?  If you're right, who cares how many of us smash your bag?  You know you're right, don't you?

 

You'd have been right at home in Vichy France.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 24, 2014 10:28 AM (fwARV)

469 Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 02:21 PM (u2a4R)

Why would you need any help?

You're attitude is shared by 52 million other lost souls who believe that children are a throwaway commodity.

It's just that here, we don't.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at March 24, 2014 10:29 AM (i+yr+)

470 Right, that briefing zeroes out Hellfire production. Then ramps ups JAGM production a few years later. Cause JAGM is the replacement.


But why are they dumping the Tomahawk?  That's not the same type of missile as the JAGM.

Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 10:29 AM (GQ8sn)

471 Ace-istat: The cure for the common jeast infection.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at March 24, 2014 10:29 AM (GpU8f)

472 You're all idiots. That's all I'm saying.

Posted by: jnorth at March 24, 2014 10:29 AM (hHFOx)

473 Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 02:27 PM (u2a4R) Make your own arguments.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 24, 2014 10:29 AM (oMKp3)

474 I confess I have no idea why you posted this. Posted by: grammie winger at March 24, 2014 02:15 PM (oMKp3) Perhaps they were trying to post something on another site and ended up here by mistake?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 24, 2014 10:29 AM (XyM/Y)

475 >>>It's already been pointed out that using human remains for fuel is pretty much impossible. You put more energy into it than you get back. So what was the Telegraph talking about with the "waste to energy" plants? Did the hospitals just rename their incinerators "waste to energy plants"? That seems most likely.<<<

More likely, a journalist somewhere decided to try his hand at marketing because once you become a journalist, you're a subject matter expert on everything.

Posted by: Fritz at March 24, 2014 10:29 AM (UzPAd)

476 424 Thanks for all the help on this thread, Ace.

I guess if I need you, you'll be behind that bush over there.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 02:21 PM (u2a4R)

++++

Get off your fucking cross.
We need the fucking space to nail the next fool martyr.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2014 10:30 AM (IN7k+)

477 You have misinterpreted three words because you are stupid.

 

Posted by: Mega, AoS Commenter of the Millennium at March 24, 2014 02:26 PM (hHFOx)

 

Actually, I'm fucking stupid.  Or so jwest assured me this morning.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 24, 2014 10:30 AM (zF6Iw)

478 "The real issue is whether the remains that are incinerated are treated with appropriate respect, not what happens to the waste heat after the remains are consumed." See I think this is why we are overthinking this. Why would we expect them to treat the remains with respect? At no part in the process is the baby treated with respect or dignity... that we are expecting them to do so after the procedure is completed is naive, it's just not in their playbook.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at March 24, 2014 10:30 AM (n/ogz)

479 Because Ace is smart enough to know what the truth is and why the Telegraph author used the words he did to incite the rabble. ------- Jwest thought process: I'm smart. Therefore what I post is correct. Ace is also smart. Therefore Ace must always agree with me.

Posted by: Votermom at March 24, 2014 10:30 AM (GSIDW)

480 Hey, as long as we're scrapping the clump of insignificant cells out of the uterus.... why not make the entire process more efficient by harnessing the heat from the disposal for an alternative form of energy?



Why.... it would be like killing two insignificant birds with one pragmatic stone!


Because...... INDIFFERENCE!!!!

 

Posted by: All fucked up and evil at March 24, 2014 10:31 AM (pQJEV)

481

Whose bush is Ace hiding in?

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Not mine

Posted by: Barbara B. at March 24, 2014 10:31 AM (SO2Q8)

482 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2014 02:22 PM (zfY+H) Well said, Chris.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 24, 2014 10:31 AM (XyM/Y)

483 446 Speaking purely from a physics perspective, isn't the burning of human remains an endothermic process? I cannot see how this -and yes, I think it's horrible- could be a way in which excess heat could be generated and used. This has probably been asked and answered above, but I'm too lazy to read it all. Posted by: physics geek at March 24, 2014 02:25 PM (MT22W) You fucking terrible, terrible Nazi. You soulless bastard. How could you possibly say something like that? May the barbed cock of Satan bone your ass for bringing physics in to a emotional discussion.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 10:31 AM (u2a4R)

484 ace, please make the voices go away

Posted by: jeast at March 24, 2014 10:31 AM (Dwehj)

485 @474. That actually happened to me once. I thought I was commenting at Althouse, ended up posting at Mickey Kaus' site. Sounded like a total idiot.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 24, 2014 10:31 AM (ZshNr)

486 481 Whose bush is Ace hiding in?
---
Not mine ---- Sadly...

Posted by: Barbara B. at March 24, 2014 10:31 AM (SO2Q8)

487 450 Yeah like you care about welfare moms mamzer kids.
Posted by: Microfiche at March 24, 2014 02:24 PM (bVHVL)


Fuck you comes to mind

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2014 02:26 PM (t3UFN)

Brilliant retort. You are unrecognizable since the days we were buddies on Little Green Footballs back in 20-08 before the banning s took effect. Talking about revolution and revenge - has Obama's re-election totally embittered you?



Posted by: Microfiche at March 24, 2014 10:31 AM (bVHVL)

488 "Yeah like you care about welfare moms mamzer kids."
Conservatives are more generous in charitable donations and adopt children more than leftist ones do. "Red" states are significantly more generous to charity than "blue" states. Almost all charitable organizations that exist started as Christian organizations, and almost all dealing with adoption and alternatives to abortion still are.
You talk and demand others pay, we DO.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2014 10:31 AM (zfY+H)

489 And just what would you like to do with the (potentially) infected, contagious remains? Got some spare room in your backyard? Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 02:03 PM (u2a4R) ------------------------- In your case, stuff you with candy and let little children beat you with sticks until you split open.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 24, 2014 10:31 AM (CJjw5)

490 But why are they dumping the Tomahawk? Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 02:29 PM (GQ8sn) Racism dude. It must go.

Posted by: RWC at March 24, 2014 10:32 AM (fWAjv)

491 proceed to nood in an orderly manner

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 24, 2014 10:32 AM (c1VyR)

492 Look, rabble.

Abortion/incineration on one end, Death Panels on the other .  It's so simple and efficient!

Do I have to explain EVERYTHING?

Posted by: jeast - better than you[/i] [/b] at March 24, 2014 10:32 AM (5ikDv)

493

May the barbed cock of Satan bone your ass for bringing physics in to a emotional discussion.

 

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 02:31 PM (u2a4R)

 

You got the sentiment right, it's just your weapons radar that's a little off.  Get that recalibrated when you land.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 24, 2014 10:32 AM (fwARV)

494 Why would we expect them to treat the remains with respect? At no part in the process is the baby treated with respect or dignity... that we are expecting them to do so after the procedure is completed is naive, it's just not in their playbook. Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at March 24, 2014 02:30 PM (n/ogz) I would agree with you. However, via MY playbook, I am horrified by the whole disgusting process and choose to say it.

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 10:33 AM (A98Xu)

495 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 24, 2014 02:30 PM (zF6Iw)

Hey, MPPP... shitty thread to do this in, but I've been meaning to answer a question from you for months but you're never on when I'm on.

B Complex from Solaray. The stress vitamins. I think it's the 500. You only need to take one a day, although I believe it says take two. B Complex is one of the few vitamins with a real scientific basis for helping with mild depression and anxiety (when those are due to a lack of b vitamins, obviously). It's water soluble so makes you p*ss neon. Try it for a couple weeks.

Posted by: Mega, AoS Commenter of the Millennium at March 24, 2014 10:33 AM (hHFOx)

496

 I'm fucking stupid

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That'd make a great t-shirt with the arrow pointing to the side...

Posted by: Barbara B. at March 24, 2014 10:34 AM (SO2Q8)

497 You fucking terrible, terrible Nazi. You soulless bastard. How could you possibly say something like that?

May the barbed cock of Satan bone your ass for bringing physics in to a emotional discussion.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 02:31 PM (u2a4R)



Note please that physics geek admitted that it was horrible.


You, on the other hand, want the gubmint to pass laws demanding funerals for aborted babies so your   wife's floral shop can make more money to fund your trips to China.


Differences.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 24, 2014 10:34 AM (4df7R)

498 Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 02:27 PM (u2a4R)



See? We didn't use the heat from the Extermination Ovens to provide heat because...  that's just fucked up!


I'm so glad we agree!

Posted by: The Third Reich at March 24, 2014 10:34 AM (pQJEV)

499 Note please that physics geek admitted that it was horrible. You, on the other hand, want the gubmint to pass laws demanding funerals for aborted babies so your wife's floral shop can make more money to fund your trips to China. Differences. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 24, 2014 02:34 PM (4df7R) Are you that fucking stupid?

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 10:35 AM (u2a4R)

500 " Did the hospitals just rename their incinerators "waste to energy plants"? That seems most likely." No, that seems completely ridiculous. Words have meaning, even in Orwellian England. It seems much more likely that they are capturing energy from waste. Perhaps the aim is not to use waste as fuel, per se, but rather to lessen the "carbon footprint" of the incinerator by utilizing the heat to offset the costs of running it to begin with.

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2014 10:35 AM (hFL/3)

501 490 But why are they dumping the Tomahawk?

Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 02:29 PM (GQ8sn)

Racism dude. It must go. ---- i thought they were chopping it.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at March 24, 2014 10:36 AM (SO2Q8)

502 I'm so glad we agree! Posted by: The Third Reich at March 24, 2014 02:34 PM (pQJEV LOL

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 10:37 AM (A98Xu)

503 465 429 Almost every woman I know of who got an abortion regrets it. That's a decision you never live down, ever. As someone once said, an abortion doesn't make you 'unpregnant.' It makes you the mother of a dead baby.

And that's why I think we need to show compassion and patience with women doing this. Yes, the process is ghastly and abortion is an abomination, but most of those women are driven to it not by casual slut lifestyle or cruelty, but by desperation, fear, and feeling trapped and terrified. They need our love and to be shown a better way.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2014 02:22 PM (zfY+H)
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Double AMEN.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 24, 2014 02:28 PM (dfYL9)


While the only person I knew who had an abortion (or two) never said she regretted it...she also never admitted to regretting any of her really bad decisions in life. Perhaps she would have become a bitter and mean woman anyway if she had had a kid or two. She will never know. She will also never know the joy of becoming a mother. She has alienated everyone she has had relationships with, as her bitterness and inner hate are seeping out her pores as she ages. She was never the same after the abortion, that I can say with certainty. Maybe a coincidence. Maybe not. It has to haunt her in her sober moments, especially during all of those in vitro experiments and hormone treatments well into her forties. She is a person to pity, but it is hard to pity a malignant narcissist this mean.


The lady who holds up the sign, "I regret my abortion" has been forgiven and is doing more than she will ever know for any in doubt. To live, as my friend does, seeped in bitter envy/anger/narcissism/crazy is far worse than asking God for forgiveness and trying to help others.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at March 24, 2014 10:37 AM (baL2B)

504 Perhaps the aim is not to use waste as fuel, per se, but rather to lessen the "carbon footprint" of the incinerator by utilizing the heat to offset the costs of running it to begin with.

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2014 02:35 PM (hFL/3)


Partly.  They are using the recaptured heat energy so they don't have to run their boilers or generators as hard to do the same job.


Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 10:37 AM (GQ8sn)

505 Hey, you guys.  Did you know there's a Malaysian airliner that's gone missing?   Just thought I'd bring everyone up  to date.  

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2014 10:37 AM (6RUDX)

506 Hey, Jwest you've called a lot of people here, stupid. That's fine, but if we're so stupid why don't you just move on to a more erudite site?

Posted by: seems legit at March 24, 2014 10:38 AM (A98Xu)

507 In other news of the abortion debate: An atheist posts at Patheos why she is pro-life, basing her objection to abortion on humanist grounds. It's not like biological science is a legacy of Buddha or the Popes.

Posted by: toby928© at March 24, 2014 10:38 AM (QupBk)

508 Hey, you guys. Did you know there's a Malaysian airliner that's gone missing? Just thought I'd bring everyone up to date.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2014 02:37 PM (6RUDX)



I thought they found the wreckage?

Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 10:38 AM (GQ8sn)

509 In your case, stuff you with candy and let little children beat you with sticks until you split open.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 24, 2014 02:31 PM (CJjw5)


Jeff! Glad you are back! Take him out.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at March 24, 2014 10:38 AM (baL2B)

510 From an earlier thread: Fenelon: "Do you just say things to try to push people's buttons. West, or do you really believe this, because that is really and unpleasant idea-that what you would mainly care about is whether it would make a buck for your wife." West: Yes. After a few dozen posts where people go out of their way to twist and demonize my comments, I give them something like this to play with. West, you probably should post things that are inflammatory just to get a response if you want to be taken seriously.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 24, 2014 10:39 AM (XyM/Y)

511 I'm not terribly conservative, I guess.


I'm totally on board with silencing jwest's stupidity with the Banhammer 3000 Mk.VII or whatever on earth will just get him to shut the blue bloody tingle-fuck up with his super-special unicorn-shitted skittle snowflake specialness.


Really.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 24, 2014 10:39 AM (9LuAk)

512

Mega, thanks for the suggestion.  I'll check it out.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 24, 2014 10:40 AM (zF6Iw)

513 " At no part in the process is the baby treated with respect or dignity... that we are expecting them to do so after the procedure is completed is naive, it's just not in their playbook." If we were just talking about aborted babies, I would agree with you 100%. As I said earlier, here in America, aborted children are reguarlly flushed down the toilet. Abortionists could give two fucks about what happens to the children they kill. However, we're talking about miscarried babies too. In my experience with that, doctors are typically incredibly compassionate and try their best to honor the child and comfort the woman. I can't imagine they'd just toss the baby in with the trash after sitting with the sobbing mother 5 minutes earlier. But, I mean, who knows. Perhaps this is what they mean by "cremation" and they've just always hoped that the women would never find out...

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2014 10:41 AM (hFL/3)

514 Meant "shouldn't" post things.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 24, 2014 10:41 AM (XyM/Y)

515

They are an excellent source ob baby oil as well.

Posted by: dirks strewn at March 24, 2014 10:42 AM (kfcYC)

516 I thought they found the wreckage?

Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 02:38 PM (GQ8sn)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

Not that I've seen.  Still searching areas where unidentified debris has been seen from satelite pics.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2014 10:42 AM (6RUDX)

517 Apropos of nothing, upgrading to the latest Firefox kills the AoS-IgnoreUser add-on. Until I get that fixed I'm having to scroll wheel once I feel the jwest retard rays. You have been warned.

Posted by: toby928© at March 24, 2014 10:43 AM (QupBk)

518 Those babies were (1) denied the right to gay marriage (2) denied the right to "free" birth control (3) denied a minimum wage of $15 an hour.


Posted by: What is a lefy to do? at March 24, 2014 10:43 AM (ihRMJ)

519

Those babies were (1) denied the right to gay marriage (2) denied the right to "free" birth control (3) denied a minimum wage of $15 an hour.

 

Posted by: What is a lefy to do? at March 24, 2014 02:43 PM (ihRMJ)

 

So it wasn't abortion, really, it was doctor-assisted suicide.  Why do Rethugglikkkans hate babies so much?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 24, 2014 10:44 AM (fwARV)

520 To follow up on the knucklehead who claims people opposed to abortion don't care about kids on welfare...
Lets say you're right, despite all the evidence, for the sake of argument. Let's say we don't care about kids at all once they're born and do nothing to help them.
How does that make abortion okay?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2014 10:44 AM (zfY+H)

521 Not that I've seen. Still searching areas where unidentified debris has been seen from satelite pics.

Posted by: Soona at March 24, 2014 02:42 PM (6RUDX)


Ok, then they totally mis-represented what they said earlier.



Posted by: EC at March 24, 2014 10:44 AM (GQ8sn)

522 Lets say you're right, despite all the evidence, for the sake of argument. Let's say we don't care about kids at all once they're born and do nothing to help them. Apparently, if you stop your neighbor from beating his son to death, you are required to adopt the boy. It's the law!

Posted by: toby928© at March 24, 2014 10:45 AM (QupBk)

523 Therefore, I sit, weep in rage, and pray, when really, all I want to do is wreak havoc.
21st-century Christianity is no walk in the park, to be sure...

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 24, 2014 01:54 PM (9LuAk)


Orel Hershiser was a devout Christian in addition to being a kickass pitcher. When they asked him how he could justify throwing high and tight to a hitter, he replied "Being a Christian doesn't mean you have to be a wimp." In addition, I seem to remember our Lord and Savior getting wrathful in the temple.

Yes, the final judgment will be rendered in the afterlife, but there is nothing-nothing- that says that we have to meekly accept barbarity.

Posted by: physics geek at March 24, 2014 10:45 AM (MT22W)

524 People people.... PLEASE!

Calm down.


Look. We didn't use the unborn as a fuel source. Okay?

We simply chopped them up in the womb, sucked their brains out, ripped them out in pieces, threw them in the incinerator with all the other diseased biowaste and filth, and torched them up into ash.

But we certainly DID NOT  try to re-harness the incineration process as a heating source!

That's just SICK!

What do think; we're some kind of uncaring monsters or something? 

Posted by: Rational Retard at March 24, 2014 10:47 AM (pQJEV)

525 When the gynaecologists have submitted tissues from early pregnancy loss or terminations for analysis in formalin (as they must, to exclude pregnancy-related cancers or precancerous lesions), it becomes hazardous to handle and is not suitable to hand over directly to the relatives. Depending on the hospital, it MAY (upon specific request) be handed over to a funeral director who knows what they're doing. Whether a funeral home does it or the hospital does it, that stuff's getting flamed. No exceptions.

Posted by: perturbed at March 24, 2014 10:51 AM (TXq4O)

526 The link to the article at Patheos... I gotta stop, gonna let it go because you can only argue against "people in a coma are sentient because it's temporary, but a fetus is not sentient because it's not temporary" for like *once* before it's pointless. However... The atheist author really got pounded in the comments by people treating a pro-life atheist opinion as complete heresy that is simply impossible to honestly hold as an atheist. It would be nice if some non-religious or atheist sorts sent some support that way.

Posted by: Synova at March 24, 2014 10:52 AM (7/PU+)

527 520 To follow up on the knucklehead who claims people opposed to abortion don't care about kids on welfare...

Lets say you're right, despite all the evidence, for the sake of argument. Let's say we don't care about kids at all once they're born and do nothing to help them.

How does that make abortion okay?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2014 02:44 PM (zfY+H)


When men can get pregnant then you have the right to lecture others about abortion, otherwise just concern yourselves with your enlarging prostates and keep your hands off my body.

Posted by: Ginger at March 24, 2014 10:53 AM (bVHVL)

528 I see that I somehow got into the jwest vs. the Horde ongoing battle. Eesh. I appreciate those who noted that I find the process horrific, while merely trying to figure out the whole "burned for fuel" angle. And to be clear, I don't normally enter into the 100 Years War  in the comments thread, but I will state for the record that in this instance, I think that jwest was merely being sarcastic. Not really a fan, but is it necessary to automatically assume the worst of him at each and every comment? And yes, I understand the history here as I've been reading this site since the only blogspot days.

Now, back to the topic at hand. The type of mentality that allows you to view human remains as simply waste is not a healthy one. Carried to its maybe (il)logical conclusion, we're only a few steps away from the "There. Is. No. Sanctuary." point.

Posted by: physics geek at March 24, 2014 10:54 AM (MT22W)

529 I've been pregnant 6 times and I agree with Christopher Taylor, 100%. Next.

Posted by: Lauren at March 24, 2014 10:54 AM (hFL/3)

530 Ginger, I hope you're being satirical because you still haven't answered the question.
Lets say, for the sake of argument, that not being a certain gender means you can have no say about that gender, that you cannot understand and make any comment. Never mind that you can't say anything about MEN by that argument, but lets say that's valid.
HOW DOES THAT MAKE ABORTION OKAY?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2014 10:55 AM (zfY+H)

531 JWest, Sooper Genius explains all the engineering'y stuff to all us idiots.

His  position is that only some of the BTU's are from dead babies. (They forgot to explain all that to me when I took thermo and unit ops)

Well, that makes all the difference.

In a similar exculpatory vein, the Turks only killed some of the Armenians.

Hutu's, Tutsis, etc., etc.

See? Anything can be moral unless you are a stoopid knuckledragger.

Posted by: West at March 24, 2014 10:57 AM (1Rgee)

532 I care about kids on welfare so much..... I'm willing to murder them to prevent them from a life of welfare...... as I continue to justify punishing the evil rich and stupid middle class for the sake of more welfare.

Because.... I CARE TOO DAMN MUCH TO BE RATIONAL!!!!!!

Posted by: Rational Retard at March 24, 2014 10:57 AM (pQJEV)

533 J West already admitted that he felt demonized by people misconstruing and misinterpreting his comments so he's he's going for the outrage factor and enjoying telling people to eff off. Seems like just leaving would be a more productive response.l

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 24, 2014 10:58 AM (XyM/Y)

534 If you truly care about kids on welfare - then you would love them enough to kill them before they're born!


Oh and - we need MORE welfare!

Posted by: Rational Retard at March 24, 2014 10:59 AM (pQJEV)

535 Pregnant 4 times (though there was that one late period and severe cramping) and I agree with Christopher. Also, really... do we *not* want men to feel attachment for and responsibility for procreation? I don't see a good end to that, in any scenario.

Posted by: Synova at March 24, 2014 11:01 AM (7/PU+)

536 ...terminations for analysis in formalin...

Posted by: perturbed at March 24, 2014 02:51 PM (TXq4O)



or as we humans call them... murdered babies.

Posted by: jeast - better than you[/i] [/b] at March 24, 2014 11:02 AM (5ikDv)

537 "...do we *not* want men to feel attachment for and responsibility for procreation? I don't see a good end to that, in any scenario."
I fear we're already there.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 24, 2014 11:03 AM (zfY+H)

538 /moral relativist idiot sock off

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at March 24, 2014 11:03 AM (5ikDv)

539 To answer a post way upthread that asked what is typicaly done with later term abortions, I can offer this from experience. When I was in college, a fellow student I knew worked for a researcher as part of a student work program to reduce her tuition. One of her jobs was to trot over to the university hospital a couple times a week and bring aborted fetuses back in their little plastic specimen pouches for the researcher to do whatever he was doing with them. I was told this quietly-this wasn't something that was posted in the job description on the bulletin board. I was very young at the time(two years out of high school) and didn't ask questions about it. I was also very naive at the time and somehow in my skull full of mush, determined that these poor babies were aborted for the most noble of reasons, that they weren't going to live, they were horribly deformed, etc. I had led a bit of a sheltered life, one in which I thought everyone for the most part, did things for the right, correct reasons, ones that churches agreed with etc. I knew no one who had had an abortion at that time, never even knew where you could even have an abortion. I remember being surprised that a university hospital would perform one, further justifying in my head that it MUST have been absolutely necessary. I find today that a lot of pro-choice people are exactly as dumb and naive as me. They think all abortions take place two weeks after a pregnancy begins, that the fetus is a clump of undefineable cells, that the woman having the abortion got pregnant somehow without knowledge or consent, etc. In other words, they don't face or accept the reality of the situation.

Posted by: Jen at March 24, 2014 11:03 AM (mynOu)

540 Posted by: physics geek at March 24, 2014 02:54 PM (MT22W) Thanks for the kind words and being the one person on this thread who understands the concept of burning babies to heat hospitals isn't real. Once the mob gets rolling, it's hard to stop them. It is sad to know how easy it is for the left's writers to send them into a frenzy on some faux issue.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 11:05 AM (u2a4R)

541

Der Kinder ist kindling.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at March 24, 2014 11:06 AM (bbivj)

542 Posted by: toby928© at March 24, 2014 02:43 PM (QupBk)

You can roll back an "upgrade" you know.

You have to dig for it, but it's in the support area and they answer the question about how can they undo an upgrade. If you'd rather not trust my links, google "old versions of firefox" and find your own way to support and then the website link that contains the folders.

This is the page with the folder that contain the setup files

http://tinyurl.com/2ap5kqh

And this is the support page that links to that from Mozilla support

http://tinyurl.com/mhu5hwd


Me I use 8.01; it's stable and certain add ons I like won't work with anything newer. I stopped upgrading when the started upgrading the version every month and stuff stopped working or working slow or working more poorly than the older version.

Sometimes new isn't the best.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at March 24, 2014 11:07 AM (i+yr+)

543 540 It is sad to know how easy it is for the left's writers to send them into a frenzy on some faux issue.


You're so right!

Whew! Glad that's cleared up.

Now let's get back to the dignified profession of murdering the unborn!

Posted by: Rational Retard at March 24, 2014 11:09 AM (pQJEV)

544 Whew! Glad that's cleared up. Now let's get back to the dignified profession of murdering the unborn! Posted by: Rational Retard at March 24, 2014 03:09 PM (pQJEV) If you want to discuss abortion, you should bring the topic up on one of the threads and state your position. However, if you want to insist that in England they are burning aborted babies to heat hospitals, I'll have to keep thinking your an idiot.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 11:12 AM (u2a4R)

545 However, if you want to insist that in England they are burning aborted babies to heat hospitals, I'll have to keep thinking your an idiot.



Do have some sort of "moral"objection against burning babies to heat hospitals?

Posted by: Rational Retard at March 24, 2014 11:14 AM (pQJEV)

546 @544 You mean, "you're an idiot."

Irony.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at March 24, 2014 11:18 AM (vgIRn)

547 546 @544 You mean, "you're an idiot."

Irony.


OUCH!

Posted by: Rational Retard at March 24, 2014 11:20 AM (pQJEV)

548 $25,000 vouchers would help heat that hospital better than dead babies.

Posted by: Surely You Jest! at March 24, 2014 11:20 AM (Aif/5)

549

keep your hands off my body.

 

Posted by: Ginger at March 24, 2014 02:53 PM (bVHVL)

 

It's not your body the pro-life crowd is discussing.  They're discussing the unique, individual and separate body inside yours.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 24, 2014 11:22 AM (fwARV)

550 Do have some sort of "moral"objection against burning babies to heat hospitals? Posted by: Rational Retard at March 24, 2014 03:14 PM (pQJEV) I have no objection to cremating human remains, regardless of age. I believe it should be done in a dignified and sensitive manner. I also believe that human tissue that is removed in medical procedures needs to be disposed of in a safe way to protect the general population from infectious diseases. High temperature incineration is the best method. If this substance is being incinerated, I have no problem if the excess heat normally lost is recovered and used any way needed.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 11:24 AM (u2a4R)

551 546 @544 You mean, "you're an idiot." Irony. Posted by: Just Some Guy at March 24, 2014 03:18 PM (vgIRn) Thanks, Mr. Spell Check.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 11:26 AM (u2a4R)

552

I also believe that human tissue that is removed in medical procedures needs to be disposed of in a safe way to protect the general population from infectious diseases. High temperature incineration is the best method.

If this substance is being incinerated, I have no problem if the excess heat normally lost is recovered and used any way needed.

 

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 03:24 PM (u2a4R)

 

Like I said, once you decide a baby isn't a baby, this is simple to rationalize.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 24, 2014 11:27 AM (fwARV)

553 550 I have no objection to cremating human remains, regardless of age. I believe it should be done in a dignified and sensitive manner.


Do you have any objections to CREATING human remains?

Posted by: Rational Retard at March 24, 2014 11:32 AM (pQJEV)

554 550 I have no objection to cremating human remains, regardless of age. I
believe it should be done in a dignified and sensitive manner.


Obviously you would have applauded the Nazis pragmatic use of heat from their crematorium ovens as an alternative energy source.

Right?

Posted by: Rational Retard at March 24, 2014 11:36 AM (pQJEV)

555 What I believe most people find objectionable is the reason that the fetus was needing to be incinerated. The same objection would apply to elderly adults, retarded(developmentally disabled) adults and children, etc. Incinerating them as "medical waste" means no one valued them enough to want to lovingly care of their remains. It isn't the actual act of applying fire to them to reduce them to ashes. It is casually doing so with no more thought than the sponges, gloves, and paper gowns added into the mix. It is the lack of any attachment to a fellow human being, no matter what age or state of health. A lack of attachment that easily would transfer into when the human was living, as evidenced by the willingness to abort the living fetus in the first place. A living fetus with no value can be rationalized next into any other human being that one deems to have no value. Which is exactly what rationed care is all about. I've had liberals tell me directly that they believe that once you have a terminal illness, a severe handicap, etc. you have no right to take what they feel are finite resources away from others with more "potential" and therefore you should be painlessly euthanized.

Posted by: Jen at March 24, 2014 11:37 AM (mynOu)

556 "Which is exactly what rationed care is all about. I've had liberals tell me directly that they believe that once you have a terminal illness, a severe handicap, etc. you have no right to take what they feel are finite resources away from others with more "potential" and therefore you should be painlessly euthanized. " Posted by: Jen at March 24, 2014 03:37 PM (mynOu) I'll go there with you, Jen. As conservatives, we recognize that resources are finite and we need limits. In a full socialize welfare society, we could seize all the assets and income from everyone to provide the type of healthcare where no one actually dies. If everyone is entitled to the most extraordinary procedures the technology and money can allow, it wouldn't be long before all we produce and could borrow would be spent keeping 95 year old alcholic smokers alive. However, as a civilized society, we should provide as much healthcare as we can to everyone, regardless of their ability to pay. This is where "death panels" come in. Using the resources we have to best benefit of everyone using common sense and real science.

Posted by: jwest at March 24, 2014 11:52 AM (u2a4R)

557 Wasn't this the "big reveal" in the original Matrix movie? That people were used for energy? Next they'll be telling us Soylent Green is people, and folks will be all, "mehÂ…"

Posted by: red speck at March 24, 2014 12:06 PM (9/Ug/)

558 jwest, I"m curious. What are your parameters for determining who should live today and who should die today? If you are going to advocate death panels, you should be able to picture yourself sitting on one. I would like to know how you would determine that John Smith, a man you've never met, but whose documents sit in front of you , should receive a large dose of phenobarbital today. Withholding water, food, etc. via feeding tubes, IV's etc. for a terminally ill patient have been always reserved via a combination of legal documents drawn by the individual and family control via laws. The reason being that determining how you die if it be within your control, has always been a fundamental freedom in our country, hence the legal recognition of end of life documents. Without those, people who are intimately involved with your life, who might know your wishes are consulted. Choices in those matters are often based on financial matters. Being moved home to die, with limited professional care may be necessary due to limits on finances. It is often desirable too, but tends to require a major commitment from the family. It is the rare family who doesn't embrace this option, because they know and love the person. It is what makes them a family and makes each individual human. I've been in that situation, more than once. I've never regretted it. I cannot imagine the grief I would have endured had I been forced to have some faceless committee decide that my loved one should either be euthanized or denied pain meds, etc. so as to 'save resources". There is NO healthcare available , at any cost, anywhere, that means no one actually dies. That is an absurd possiblility. We all eventually die. Even 95 year old alcoholic smokers. So I find that argument to be a total red herring. Are you also advocating that all retarded, severely handicapped humans living in group homes,or at their family's private homes be killed tomorrow to save resources?

Posted by: Jen at March 24, 2014 12:22 PM (mynOu)

559 Selling Irish children for food ... Burning fetuses for heat ... meh ... modest proposals, both.

How's President Obama doing on his NCAA brackets?  That's focusing on what's most important to the every day concerns of the American people.

Posted by: Zombie Jonathan Swift at March 24, 2014 12:25 PM (Xv7f/)

560

 

558.  The answer to your question is to be found in the concept of the Quality Adjusted Year.  (QALY)   

A distressingly short line connects the National Health Service's QALY dot to the NHS' lighting up the fetuses dot.

Posted by: Zombie Jonathan Swift at March 24, 2014 12:30 PM (Xv7f/)

561 The Romans, no saints they, were horrified by the Carthaginian practice of burning children in sacrifice to Moloch. This will be punished one day. Carthago Delenda Est. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthago_delenda_est

Posted by: theCork at March 24, 2014 12:42 PM (hbAdE)

562 Ask a pro-choice liberal if they think it's okay for parents who discover that their unborn baby has a 99% chance of being gay to get an abortion. They'll be horrified and say no, but they will never be able to explain why. Somehow it would be wrong to abort a gay baby, but okay to abort an unplanned one.

Posted by: Average Jen at March 24, 2014 12:42 PM (1WdJ6)

563 Aborted babies and dead people being buried is a waste of good biofuel and real estate.

Posted by: Al Czervik at March 24, 2014 01:31 PM (nbGZj)

564 I can't think of a better fate for a future democrat voter, than to be aborted then incinerated.

Posted by: not putting my name on this one at March 24, 2014 03:24 PM (+3dIG)

565 Soylent Green Energy

Posted by: Joe at March 24, 2014 05:32 PM (gv0iO)

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