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March 07, 2014

What Liberals Think Vs. Reality
— DrewM

What our old friend Oliver Willis thinks when he sees Mitch McConnell walking on stage with a rifle.

@NoahCRothman we're not in the damn stone ages. most americans live within quick response sphere of police. they dont need armed response.
— Oliver Willis (@owillis) March 6, 2014

Reality:

Official legal position of New York City: Cops have no obligation to protect an individual being attacked by a guy with a knife.

What "explanatory journalist" Sarah "Gosnell is a local crime story" Kliff thinks about ObamaCare's lousy poll numbers.

It would be bizarre if a majority of people thought Obamacare helped them. It doesnÂ’t touch the vast majority of insurance.
— Sarah Kliff (@sarahkliff) March 6, 2014

Reality: Obama said his plan would, "cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."

Spoiler...it didn't.

Reality based community guys!

Posted by: DrewM at 06:42 AM | Comments (249)
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1 Fuck em

Posted by: Mr Pink at March 07, 2014 06:44 AM (0ng9Y)

2 It's not that they don't know anything...it's that most of what they know is wrong. Smart guy once said that...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 07, 2014 06:45 AM (yh0zB)

3 Mr. Pink for the win!

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at March 07, 2014 06:45 AM (DcuIu)

4 Will Oliver Wiilis please tweet his address and an inventory of his valuables?

Posted by: AmishDude at March 07, 2014 06:46 AM (g7PVc)

5 most americans live within quick response sphere of police. they dont need armed response. I'd laugh if this idiot was ever assaulted and the police didn't arrive as quickly as he thinks they should.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at March 07, 2014 06:47 AM (AQTz3)

6 What I think of McConehead walking on stage with a rifle is showboating fake who should not have been there to begin with. As for liberals, its not what they think, its what they think they know that is simply not true.

And what they actually know is less than the mudballs in my front yard know.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 07, 2014 06:47 AM (T2V/1)

7 Stupidity such as this invites disaster.

May God have mercy on this nation...

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 07, 2014 06:48 AM (9LuAk)

8 1Â Fuck em Posted by: Mr Pink at March 07 ___________ Hell, Drew - shut the thread down after #1. That about sums up my attitude towards most of the threads these days anyway. BBL - I'm going to walk the doggie for a minute & listen to some podcast before the rain sets back in...

Posted by: shredded chi at March 07, 2014 06:48 AM (9dfN4)

9 Ollie Willis - like kryptonite to cardiovascular health.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 07, 2014 06:49 AM (zF6Iw)

10 Ace once described Willis as someone who looked like they attacked a sexdoll made from nothing but Filet-O-Fish sandwiches.

Classic.

Posted by: EC at March 07, 2014 06:49 AM (GQ8sn)

11 I read somewhere a while back that the average response time for police in an urban environment was 45 min. Violent crime in the same environment takes less than 5 min from the time they break in until the owner is either incapacitated or dead.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 07, 2014 06:49 AM (T2V/1)

12 The police: when seconds count, they're just minutes away. THAT's why the private citizen needs a weapon.

Posted by: Some Asshole at March 07, 2014 06:50 AM (cgeZi)

13
I can't wait for the day when I think $2500 is an insignificant amount of money.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 07, 2014 06:50 AM (BZAd3)

14 I take issue with the "we're not in the Stone Age" comment.

Excuse me, we very much fucking ARE. Or, at least, people who should know better aren't acting like they are civilized.

On the south side of Chicago, there's no other way to characterize what is going on except for enabled barbarism.

So, Oliver Willis can go fuck himself sideways with a cheese grater.

Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 06:50 AM (/29Nl)

1 Fuck em

Posted by: Mr Pink at March 07

___________
Hell, Drew - shut the thread down after #1. That about sums up my attitude towards most of the threads these days anyway.

BBL - I'm going to walk the doggie for a minute & listen to some podcast before the rain sets back in...

Posted by: shredded chi at March 07, 2014 10:48 AM (9dfN4)

Sounds like you need a break from the HQ, chi. I've been thinking of one, myself. Lent might be a good time to unplug, step back and try to assess where things are going in my life.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 07, 2014 06:51 AM (zF6Iw)

Is that really a picture of filet-o-fish himself?

Looks like he lost quite a bit of weight. Does anyone know if he did?

Posted by: BurtTC at March 07, 2014 06:51 AM (TOk1P)

17 Show some R-S-P-C-T people!

Posted by: steevy at March 07, 2014 06:51 AM (zqvg6)

18 I had considered writing a big long thing about emotivism in the modern age, self-confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance, etc. etc. But I like Mr. Pink's response better.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 07, 2014 06:51 AM (hq5sb)

19 I'm sure Oliver wouldn't mind showing how comfortable he is with the idea of being in the same house with a psycho armed with a knife for five minutes.

Posted by: Adam at March 07, 2014 06:52 AM (Aif/5)

20
If Mitch McTurtle had really wanted to ingratiate himself with the base, it would have been an AR15, not a flintlock.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 07, 2014 06:52 AM (TIIx5)

21 Reality based community guys! More real for some than for others.

Posted by: panzernashorn at March 07, 2014 06:52 AM (MhA4j)

1: "Fuck em"

To borrow a turn of phrase...

Fuck them in this hole, fuck them in that hole, and fuck them in THAT hole in particular.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at March 07, 2014 06:53 AM (f6ZLT)

23 Serenity has a song called Thriven that I think of often nowadays.

It tells the story of a group of people who set out and worked themselves to death building up a new homeland, and, as time passed, the people forgot the hardships that the previous generations had endured, and threw away their faith and work ethic, choosing instead to live in excess and indulgence.

The song ends with the narrator/singer wondering if their land could be rebuilt, but as he watches the vultures devour all that remains, he notes that there are no worthy heirs to the previous generations, who worked hard to make that land of peace and plenty.

Such thinking would be lost on most of our current citizenry... which probably means we'll be singing that tune ourselves before much longer.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at March 07, 2014 06:53 AM (9LuAk)

24 I bet ODubs would've had a more interesting reaction if McConnell had walked on stage with a box of donuts.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 07, 2014 06:53 AM (B/VB5)

25 It doesnÂ’t touch the vast majority of insurance.

Other than making it all cost more, to cover procedures you can't use.

Posted by: HR at March 07, 2014 06:53 AM (ZKzrr)

26 Fuck them in this hole, fuck them in that hole, and fuck them in THAT hole in particular.

But first.....

Posted by: EC at March 07, 2014 06:53 AM (GQ8sn)

27 Quick response-the majority of crime occurs within the alleged zone of quick response, our urban areas. If anyone thinks five minutes is quick response, good luck.

Posted by: ejo at March 07, 2014 06:54 AM (GXvSO)

28 Didn't the SCOTUS have a ruling a few years back where the po-po are not required to respond to a 9-1-1 call. So Ollie, call 9-1-1 all you want, because the po-po have other things to do besides responding to you distress signal.

Posted by: Jim Scrummy at March 07, 2014 06:54 AM (6T8Ay)

29 You forgot Elijah Cummings is a brave oppressed minority versus elijah Cummings is a member of a protected class so when he attempts to cover up a plot to destroy the Constitution, we have to let him.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 07, 2014 06:54 AM (XUKZU)

30 When you need help in seconds the police can be there in minutes. But here it's more like an hour.

Posted by: Beagle at March 07, 2014 06:54 AM (sOtz/)

31 Sandy Hook police response:

45 minutes.

Posted by: EC at March 07, 2014 06:55 AM (GQ8sn)

32 1: "Fuck em" To borrow a turn of phrase... Fuck them in this hole, fuck them in that hole, and fuck them in THAT hole in particular. And twice on Sundays.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2014 06:55 AM (h1D+w)

33 A psycho with a knife has proven himself a psycho by getting anywhere near Ollie.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at March 07, 2014 06:55 AM (i/pV+)

34 Show me on the doll where the bad Obamacare touched you.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 07, 2014 06:56 AM (7ObY1)

35 And then fuck them.... in the ghettooooo.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at March 07, 2014 06:56 AM (v6cwT)

36 #17 Find out what it means to me!

Posted by: Aretha Franklin at March 07, 2014 06:56 AM (/cUUk)

To borrow a turn of phrase...

Fuck them in this hole, fuck them in that hole, and fuck them in THAT hole in particular.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at March 07, 2014 10:53 AM (f6ZLT)

You sweet talking devil, you. . .

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 07, 2014 06:56 AM (zF6Iw)

38 Duh!1 is still a clown.
At best....
Can't say it often enough.
Braying JackAss....

Posted by: backhoe at March 07, 2014 06:56 AM (ULH4o)

39 And then fuck them.... in the ghettooooo.

Hahahahaha!!!!

Posted by: EC at March 07, 2014 06:56 AM (GQ8sn)

40 Who is Oliver Willis?

Posted by: grammie winger at March 07, 2014 06:56 AM (oMKp3)

41 Didn't the SCOTUS have a ruling a few years back where the po-po are not required to respond to a 9-1-1 call.

And that's if the dispatcher doesn't hang up on you while you're being murdered, which has happened.

Posted by: HR at March 07, 2014 06:56 AM (ZKzrr)

Listen to ole Uncle Joe: buy a shotgun and just open fire through the door.

That's all the protection you need.

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 07, 2014 06:56 AM (xvtYZ)

43 Willis is a type of weasel, right?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 07, 2014 06:56 AM (o9Rp5)

44 Did Mitch have a point or was it just a stunt to make him look like a macho conservative?

Posted by: Fritz at March 07, 2014 06:57 AM (UzPAd)

45 To borrow a turn of phrase... Fuck them in this hole, fuck them in that hole, and fuck them in THAT hole in particular. We need the Fuck This Kitteh back. Today would be a good day for him.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 07, 2014 06:57 AM (7ObY1)

46 Posted by: Vic at March 07, 2014 10:49 AM (T2V/1) Indeed. 5 minutes is an eternity when your house is being invaded. I live in a two story house. Which means that if someone breaks in I either go past them or out my second story window. So best case scenario here: 1) Get to phone (one room down from my bedroom) 2) Dial 911 3) wait for connection We'll call this 30 seconds (I think that's a fair estimate) 4) Describe problem to 911 agent, give location. 5) Agent dispatches. We'll call this 15 seconds. (Which is honestly far to little, but I'm being generous to dumbfuck willis.) OK, now if I'm *really* lucky there's a cop parked in the fire station across from my subdivision. (Unlikely frankly, I've never seen it, but we'll roll with that) So he get's call, determines location, and responds. Assuming he skips the light, that's still about 45 seconds at minimum. So that's 1:30 BEST CASE that I'm cowering in closet. Which frankly is longer than I want to spend with an intruder in my house and plenty of time for something to go badly for me.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 07, 2014 06:57 AM (hq5sb)

47 Five minutes is a long time to wait when you are confronted by an angry man who is bigger and stronger than you, and armed.

Five minutes is a long time to wait if a gang is breaking down your front door.

Five minutes is a long time to wait if you are elderly, or otherwise unable to run away.

five minutes is a long time to wait if there are potential assailants blocking all of your exit routes.

Five minutes is a long time to wait when you realize it may take several minutes just to get local law enforcement to understand the nature of the emergency.

Posted by: Mr Rebnulds at March 07, 2014 06:57 AM (DHD9t)

48 Who is Oliver Willis?

Bane of sandwich sexdolls.

He's a libtard blogger.

Posted by: EC at March 07, 2014 06:57 AM (GQ8sn)

49 Where the fuck does Oliver Willis live ? Unreal. The majority of people in this GIANT ass country DO NOT live within the quick response of the police. And in the places where they do, like NYC as Drew mentions, there sure as hell aren't enough of them to be able to intercede DURING a crime when armed self defense would be required. Honestly, where do these retards come up with these ideas?!

Posted by: deadrody at March 07, 2014 06:58 AM (+Dpo7)

50 Wasn't Willis one of the kids on Different Strokes?

Posted by: presently semi-incapacitated at March 07, 2014 06:58 AM (/cUUk)

Amazingly enough, this is actually applicable to this thread, too, so I'm bringing it up from the Dump.

The guy who burned himself over 90% of his body while making Molotov cocktails has kicked the bucket. The cops, meanwhile, have said that they haven't yet uncovered evidence of criminal intent in his actions.

Meanwhile, if the cops pull you over and find that you have more money in your car than they think you have any justifiable reason to have, they can confiscate that money. Just because they think MAYBE you might be up to nefarious dealings.

Example, from Jalopnik: http://tinyurl.com/ctxdrs9

So get this straight:

Molotov cocktails, kerosene and gasoline in your room : no clear evidence of criminal intent

Having $20,000 in your car that you plan to use to buy another car, for which you present evidence of your online car shopping as proof of your good intent: clear evidence of criminal intent

"We do not like your reality and will be replacing it with our more comfortable fantasy. You're welcome."

- Law enforcement and the left (but I am increasingly repeating myself)

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 07, 2014 06:58 AM (4df7R)

52 Duke, expect to be attacked by self-respecting weasels.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at March 07, 2014 06:58 AM (i/pV+)

53 most americans live within quick response sphere of police. they dont need armed response.

-

1. Police response time is somewhere around 15 minutes

2. Police response IS armed response

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 07, 2014 06:58 AM (/i3Yt)

54 Thanks EC

Posted by: grammie winger at March 07, 2014 06:59 AM (oMKp3)

55 Real Reality:

The 2nd amendment is not about self-defense from criminals, unless the criminal you're talking about is the government.

Posted by: GMan at March 07, 2014 06:59 AM (sxq57)

56 Everything the progressives is not only wrong, but as wrong as wrong can be. Case in point, all the lefty country and many organizations are the People's Republic of Whateverthehell, implaying they are for the people. In fact those are countries and organizations that are of the government, by the government, and for the government.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 07, 2014 06:59 AM (XUKZU)

57 Willis is black therefore right.

Posted by: Borders Language Culture at March 07, 2014 06:59 AM (Cs2tJ)

58 So, Oliver Willis can go fuck himself sideways with a cheese grater.

Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 10:50 AM (/29Nl)

*sidles up to you* Hey, big fella. How YOU doin'?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 07, 2014 06:59 AM (4df7R)

59 The following is from an article in a Milwalkee newspaper decrying slow police response times.

New records obtained this month by the newspaper show the department's overall response time was 3.5 minutes longer on average during the three full years since Flynn's arrival compared with the three years prior. That's more than 10% longer.

In one example found by the newspaper, Milwaukee police took more than 45 minutes to get to a fatal stabbing in Riverwest in July, even though it was considered a top priority call and the caller admitted that she stabbed her boyfriend.

In another case, police took more than two hours to arrive at the scene of a fatal car crash in June on the far northwest side.

IOW this Willis toad is on a different planet somewhere if he thinks he is within 5 min of a police response.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 07, 2014 06:59 AM (T2V/1)

60 Yeah, in 1992 I got carjacked in a major metropolitan area at 3 in the morning. At gunpoint. Cops took an hour to arrive. Nearest cop shop was a two minute WALK. The perps were long, long gone of course by then.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 07, 2014 06:59 AM (7ObY1)

61 Minimum wage does not effect employment. Abortion should free and easy and the death penalty should be abolished. Higher tax rate on the wealthy will increase tax revenue. Paying people not to work will motivate people to work.

Posted by: Otto Tyme at March 07, 2014 06:59 AM (Kz9dH)

Whilst searching for some info regarding the aforementioned Mr. Willis and his weight, I found this gem from the venerable Jeff Goldstein, back when Jeff used to regularly blog. And was funny:

http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=4186

Posted by: BurtTC at March 07, 2014 06:59 AM (TOk1P)

63 6 What I think of McConehead walking on stage with a rifle is showboating fake who should not have been there to begin with. Posted by: Vic at March 07, 2014 10:47 AM (T2V/1) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yeah, true. I saw the picture in the posts at Hotair and personally I think that's just cringeworthy. "Here, let me bolster my conservative cred by holding up a rifle". Yikes, man. I don't really have an issue with someone that is REALLY pro gun doing that, necessarily, but do we really need to feed the media frenzy of "gun nut conservatives" so this boob can pretend to look tough ?! Good lord.

Posted by: deadrody at March 07, 2014 07:00 AM (+Dpo7)

64 These comments are un-American.

Posted by: Eli Cummings at March 07, 2014 07:00 AM (Aif/5)

65 57 Willis is black therefore right. Now that's the way to show rspect.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 07, 2014 07:00 AM (7ObY1)

66 63 These comments are un-American. Posted by: Eli Cummings at March 07, 2014 11:00 AM (Aif/5) (***SPIT***)

Posted by: Citizen X at March 07, 2014 07:01 AM (7ObY1)

67
Imagine five minutes of being beaten down in your living room. He'd exhaust himself before the time was up. Even boxing matches only have three minute rounds.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 07, 2014 07:01 AM (TIIx5)

Context is everything. Liberals generally believe that cops are racist and abuse their power. (I generally agree with them on the 'abuse their power' front).

But if I want to keep my guns? "Oh, you can totes depend on those fine brave police officers who are here to take care of you".

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 07, 2014 07:01 AM (A0sHn)

69 Hey Oliver.... Don't you EVER instruct me on how to protect myself, my family and likely my country from communist PIGS like yourself!

Posted by: WVinMN at March 07, 2014 07:01 AM (4Pleu)

70 Beaten by The Doctor by 'this much'.[]

Posted by: Mr Rebnulds at March 07, 2014 07:02 AM (DHD9t)

71 #36 Sock it to me!

Posted by: Richard Nixon at March 07, 2014 07:02 AM (zF6Iw)

72 Willis is basing response time on the movies he watches . Give me your money!!! BAM! BAM! ( sound of sirens five seconds later)

Posted by: Otto Tyme at March 07, 2014 07:02 AM (Kz9dH)

73 alright, I think i can take on some guy 100 lbs heavier than i, for 5 minutes, (cough) hopefully someone had time to call the police before the knife wielding guy decided i was a great target.

Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 07:02 AM (nqBYe)

74 That whole rspct gaffe reminds me of the cultural chasm between our current President and the rest of the US. How on God's green earth could he have missed that anthem, except by willful ignorance of the US.

Posted by: Mustbequantum at March 07, 2014 07:03 AM (MIKMs)

75 These comments are un-American.
Posted by: Eli Cummings at March 07, 2014 11:00 AM (Aif/5)

In fact, the only things that are not un-American are things that are actually un-American.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 07, 2014 07:03 AM (XUKZU)

76 So, Obamacare is not such a "big effin' deal" after all?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 07, 2014 07:04 AM (gOoFi)

77 Remember the video of the woman who was beat by an intruder? He busted in while she was sitting on the couch with her toddler. I think she had an infant, too. How the hell was she suppoe to get away with her kids? The guy beat the hell out of her in front of her kids.

Posted by: Judge Pug at March 07, 2014 07:04 AM (hJnUx)

78 State Supreme Courts and the U.S. Supreme Court have repeatedly ruled law enforcement agencies are not required to protect you, and are under no obligation to stop a crime in progress. The only exception is when an agency has specifically placed you in protective custody. When seconds count, the police are minutes (or hours) away is very true.

Posted by: ExSnipe at March 07, 2014 07:04 AM (LKJt3)

WILLIS: "Most Americans live within quick response sphere."

THOSE WHO DON'T LIVE WITHIN QUICK RESPONSE SPHERE: Fuck you, ass.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 07, 2014 07:04 AM (4df7R)

80 Saracuse gets no rspect.

Posted by: Otto Tyme at March 07, 2014 07:04 AM (Kz9dH)

81 Going into an interview. Wish me luck. And, yes, weird that I thought I would post that here.

Posted by: blaster at March 07, 2014 07:05 AM (Rq0b4)

It's probably worth noting, had the police response been what bag-o-donuts Willis expects, TrayTray Martin would be alive today.

In jail for his brutal assault on Mr. Zimmerman, but alive.

Because Zimmerman had called the police LONG BEFORE any violence even began to occur.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 07, 2014 07:05 AM (TOk1P)

83 The SCOAMF is a gutless pussy.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 07:05 AM (OL96w)

84 I live in a log home in the woods but just seconds from my response.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 07, 2014 07:05 AM (iDC8U)

85 blaster best of luck!

Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 07:05 AM (nqBYe)

86 @46 Don't bank on a sub 30 minute response time in my experience. @59 more like that

Posted by: Beagle at March 07, 2014 07:06 AM (sOtz/)

87 Posted by: HR at March 07, 2014 10:56 AM (ZKzrr) I used to manage my university's student center. During a donor dinner we had an elderly donor pass out. Given the person's age, we opted to call 911. I shit you not, it rang for over a minute and I never got a response. Eventually the university security revived the person who said they just wanted to be taken outside for some air. They offered to take her to the ER (which is right down the road at the Med school.) Anyway, I hung up on the still ringing phone at this point. About 5-10 minutes later I got a call back from EMS chewing me out for "abusing the 911 system." I explained that this was the front desk of a student center, and in fact, we had a situation that warranted calling 911 (unconscious elderly person) and it wasn't my fault they were inept and that while I was waiting for a person to pick up the situation resolved itself. I suspect that they were screening and avoiding calls from the university phone trunk, which when you think about that is scary as shit.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 07, 2014 07:06 AM (hq5sb)

88 Oliver Willis: Like kryptonite to fried butter!

Posted by: joncelli at March 07, 2014 07:06 AM (RD7QR)

89 Witness refuses to testify, Chairman declares meeting adjourned, bangs gavel. What's hard to understand about that?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 07, 2014 07:06 AM (aDwsi)

90
Did Mitch have a point or was it just a stunt to make him look like a macho conservative?

Posted by: Fritz at March 07, 2014 10:57 AM (UzPAd)

Yes.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 07, 2014 07:06 AM (TIIx5)

91 Since some have been engaging in colorful and elaborate profanity, I thought I'd contribute. A few I heard years ago from an aged lady from the south (the south is known for creative expressions)-- He'd crawl over twenty good-looking whores to fuck his dying mother. He's so low he could sit on a cigarette paper and dangle his legs over the side. You can shove an umbrella up my ass but you can't open it. (Now that is what I call passive resistance.)

Posted by: presently semi-incapacitated at March 07, 2014 07:06 AM (/cUUk)

92 Remember the woman alone in a trailer with her baby? The guys breaking in were looking for drugs. They also knew that she could identify them so I doubt that they intended to leave her alive. She was on 911 for at least 20 minute as they tried to break in. They broke in and she shot one dead before the police could get there. What was she suppose to do?

Posted by: Judge Pug at March 07, 2014 07:06 AM (hJnUx)

80: " Going into an interview"

Best of luck, and may God bless you.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at March 07, 2014 07:06 AM (OJn3e)

You know ... I could really give two shits less what the limp-wristed fuck thinks.

Here's the deal ... regardless who wins what election, I'm just not complying with any more of their shit. Not another damn thing.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 07, 2014 07:06 AM (PBbOM)

95 Reality huh? Obama sux! How's that for reality?

Posted by: Pelosi Schmelosi at March 07, 2014 07:06 AM (lMvKg)

96 Yay, blaster! Good luck!

Posted by: grammie winger at March 07, 2014 07:06 AM (oMKp3)

97 @NoahCRothman we're not in the damn stone ages. most americans live within quick response sphere of police. they dont need armed response. 11:09 AM - 6 Mar 2014 Horse shit. The cops will be happy to show up in 45 minutes to tape the outline of your corpse.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 07:07 AM (OL96w)

98 Not 59, 58.

Posted by: Beagle at March 07, 2014 07:07 AM (sOtz/)

99 "Best of luck" Dits...

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 07, 2014 07:07 AM (gOoFi)

100 31 Sandy Hook police response: 45 minutes. Posted by: EC at March 07, 2014 10:55 AM (GQ8sn) Not that I agree with this Willis asshat...but that's not right EC. Newton response time was about 4 mins. from the first 911 call. Still too late...and a good argument for having someone armed at schools.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 07, 2014 07:07 AM (bCEmE)

101

How about those police districts where they've said, very clearly, that, due to budget constraints (also called, "The guys with the checkbooks wanting to scare the voters by cutting emergency services instead of Save the Whales initiatives" from the budget), they will have to drawback on those calls to which they will and will not respond? Huh? Places like Compton or Detroit. How about those places, Willis?

Anyway, you'd better hope when the cops DO arrive that they pick the right house, and don't go stormtroopering into your neighbor's place, guns blazing.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 07, 2014 07:08 AM (4df7R)

102 Posted by: Judge Pug at March 07, 2014 11:04 AM (hJnUx) Liberals always forget that there is crazy in the world (ironic no?) They assume that people are breaking in just for the cash, and will leave the people in the house alone and/or let them escape. Which is naÃ¯ve really. There are crazy people and they can be in any part of the country.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 07, 2014 07:08 AM (hq5sb)

103 Even ambulance response time is slow. When I called an ambulance for my wife who was passing out from lack of O2 it took them 45 min to get here. She almost died.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 07, 2014 07:08 AM (T2V/1)

104 There's a debate that has to be had with sheltered liberals about the reality of police response times.

But there's also a debate that has to be had about the fact that there are a ton of criminal-violence and self-defense situations in which police response is a total nonissue, because the victim never has any opportunity to contact the police.

Mr. Liberal strolls down the sidewalk of his city one fine evening.

At the head of an alleyway, a big heavily tattooed ex-con steps out of the shadows holding a knife. "Gimme your wallet, man."

Mr. Liberal squeaks indignantly, "No! I'm calling the cops!"

Mr. Liberal reaches for his phone. Five seconds later he's lying unconscious on the sidewalk in a spreading pool of his own blood. By the time someone else notices him there, Mr. Liberal has already bled out and died, and the murderous perp is long gone.

At that point, who gives a damn about response time?

Posted by: torquewrench at March 07, 2014 07:08 AM (gqT4g)

105 Judge Pug i suppose she could have always tried that pee on them trick. That might scare em off.

Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 07:09 AM (nqBYe)

106 Official legal position of New York City . . . and the United States: The police have no obligation whatsoever to protect you.

Ever.

None.

No fucking responsibility or duty at all.

I believe that case went all the way to the Supreme Court where that was the holding.

If the cops decide your "holy shit, this guy with a gun is trying to kick in my door!" call is not as important as "jaywalker on 14th Street," guess what?

You are shit out of luck.

It really is "Protect and Serve . . . if we want to and don't have something else to do."

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 07, 2014 07:09 AM (VjL9S)

107 A good response time is about 11 minutes.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 07, 2014 07:10 AM (aDwsi)

108 It doesn't touch the vast majority of insurance ... except everyone's premiums just went through the fucking roof. But other than that, yeah.

Posted by: Warden at March 07, 2014 07:11 AM (mfZ9a)

109
Horse shit. The cops will be happy to show up in 45
minutes to tape the outline of your corpse.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 11:07 AM (OL96w)

Fact is, most police work is janitorial in nature.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 07, 2014 07:11 AM (TIIx5)

110 Cops' job is to catch criminals. Crime prevention is an occasional side-effect.

Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 07:11 AM (GSIDW)

111 The argument is stupid on its face. According to the logic of Mr. Willis, there is no violent crime in America, because everything is easily resolved within 5 minutes by the police.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 07, 2014 07:12 AM (oMKp3)

112 Fish sandwiches everywhere need armed protection in less than 5 minutes of Oliver Willis walking in the room. Like kryptonite to weight loss.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at March 07, 2014 07:12 AM (09o/X)

113 Mitch McConnell walking on stage with a rifle is designed to improve his reputation with Low Information Republicans, who make up at least 59% of Texas Republican primary voters.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 07, 2014 07:12 AM (kxSZr)

114 Royal Oil while that is true,certainly we'd agree Most police have a desire to help a person in trouble.

Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 07:12 AM (nqBYe)

115 FFS. Rothman and Willis both miss the point fucking entirely.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 07:12 AM (da5Wo)

116 THOSE WHO DON'T LIVE WITHIN QUICK RESPONSE SPHERE: Fuck you, ass.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 07, 2014 11:04 AM (4df7R)

Now, MWR, is that what Scarlett would say?

Posted by: Richard Nixon at March 07, 2014 07:12 AM (zF6Iw)

117 I could load and fire that flintlock dozens of times before the police arrived, and I certainly live in a quick response zone.

Posted by: Jean at March 07, 2014 07:13 AM (4JkHl)

118 My office like most offices are monitored by an alarm system. Average response time by police when it goes off is about 30 minutes unless a patrol car happens to be passing by.

Posted by: Otto Tyme at March 07, 2014 07:13 AM (Kz9dH)

119 110 The argument is stupid on its face. According to the logic of Mr. Willis, there is no violent crime in America, because everything is easily resolved within 5 minutes by the police. Posted by: grammie winger at March 07, 2014 11:12 AM (oMKp3) Of course, you're dead in two minutes or less, so five minutes doesn't help a whole hell of a lot.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 07:13 AM (OL96w)

120 still when time is of the essence i would like the capability to protect myself and children.

Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 07:13 AM (nqBYe)

121 Posted by: Warden at March 07, 2014 11:11 AM (mfZ9a) Am I imagining things or did you just desock a post?!

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 07, 2014 07:13 AM (hq5sb)

122 Sarah Kliff ignores any facts not in accord with her own ideology, that much is clear. Like that idiot yesterday whining about possibilities of "sizeism" at the Hugo Awards, not to mention when Putin interrupts the oncoming libster utopia with 19th century territory grabs, the butt hurt coming from these people when reality breaks their mirror of self-regard is beyond amazing.

Posted by: MTF at March 07, 2014 07:13 AM (F58x4)

123
Cops' job is to catch criminals.
Crime prevention is an occasional side-effect.

Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 11:11 AM (GSIDW)

Actually, cops' job is to fill out paperwork, and occasionally to make arrests.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 07, 2014 07:13 AM (TIIx5)

124 The police are there to investigate your murder, not to prevent it.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 07, 2014 07:14 AM (o9Rp5)

125 Did I hallucinate an ace post? Should I get more coffee?

Posted by: joncelli at March 07, 2014 07:14 AM (RD7QR)

126 @100 MWR There is no spending to cut other than 911 response and the military. Every economist will tell you.

Posted by: Nanzi Pelousy at March 07, 2014 07:14 AM (sOtz/)

127 61 Whilst searching for some info regarding the aforementioned Mr. Willis and his weight, I found this gem from the venerable Jeff Goldstein, back when Jeff used to regularly blog. And was funny: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=4186 Posted by: BurtTC at March 07, 2014 10:59 AM (TOk1P) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What are you talking about "back when Jeff used to regularly blog" ? Jeff's blog posts at Protein Wisdom are a more than daily occurrence.

Posted by: deadrody at March 07, 2014 07:14 AM (+Dpo7)

128 Posted by: Otto Tyme at March 07, 2014 11:13 AM (Kz9dH) I got rear ended once with a cop car 2 cars back. Still took them an 2 hours to arrive. Fucker drove off too. Now I've learned to take a picture of their license plate as soon as I get hit

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 07, 2014 07:14 AM (hq5sb)

129 93?
ScoggDog?

I have withdrawn as much as humanly possible from society & commerce. Voters wanted the crap sandwich we were handed- twice. Eff the stupid SOB's....

Posted by: backhoe at March 07, 2014 07:14 AM (ULH4o)

130 Â“We need to audit the Federal Reserve,Â” said Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX).

This soundbite lure for Ronulans may sound good but it's actually ludicrous. Phase it out or replace it but pulling the Feds skirt up in public is just asking for trouble.

Every Coyote vs. RoadRunner cartoon has the scene where he's already off the cliff but doesn't fall til he looks down.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 07, 2014 07:15 AM (DL2i+)

131 o well.

Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 07:15 AM (nqBYe)

132 o well.

Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 07:15 AM (nqBYe)

133 o well.

Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 07:15 AM (nqBYe)

134 If the cops' response time is so reassuring to Willis, why does he begrudge constitutionally protected gun ownership for another citizen that probably doesn't live closer to him than the local leos?

Posted by: ontherocks at March 07, 2014 07:15 AM (iDC8U)

135 If the cops' response time is so reassuring to Willis, why does he begrudge constitutionally protected gun ownership for another citizen that probably doesn't live closer to him than the local leos?

Posted by: ontherocks at March 07, 2014 07:15 AM (iDC8U)

136 If the cops' response time is so reassuring to Willis, why does he begrudge constitutionally protected gun ownership for another citizen that probably doesn't live closer to him than the local leos?

Posted by: ontherocks at March 07, 2014 07:15 AM (iDC8U)

137 112 Mitch McConnell walking on stage with a rifle is designed to improve his reputation with Low Information Republicans, who make up at least 59% of Texas Republican primary voters. Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 07, 2014 11:12 AM (kxSZr) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And that's clearly relevant to the Senator from Kentucky.

Posted by: deadrody at March 07, 2014 07:15 AM (+Dpo7)

138 112 Mitch McConnell walking on stage with a rifle is designed to improve his reputation with Low Information Republicans, who make up at least 59% of Texas Republican primary voters. Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 07, 2014 11:12 AM (kxSZr) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And that's clearly relevant to the Senator from Kentucky.

Posted by: deadrody at March 07, 2014 07:15 AM (+Dpo7)

139 112 Mitch McConnell walking on stage with a rifle is designed to improve his reputation with Low Information Republicans, who make up at least 59% of Texas Republican primary voters. Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 07, 2014 11:12 AM (kxSZr) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And that's clearly relevant to the Senator from Kentucky.

Posted by: deadrody at March 07, 2014 07:15 AM (+Dpo7)

140 Now, MWR, is that what Scarlett would say?

Posted by: Richard Nixon at March 07, 2014 11:12 AM (zF6Iw)

If she was from the fair southern state of NH, yes, yes she would.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 07, 2014 07:16 AM (4df7R)

141 Now, MWR, is that what Scarlett would say?

Posted by: Richard Nixon at March 07, 2014 11:12 AM (zF6Iw)

If she was from the fair southern state of NH, yes, yes she would.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 07, 2014 07:16 AM (4df7R)

142 Now, MWR, is that what Scarlett would say?

Posted by: Richard Nixon at March 07, 2014 11:12 AM (zF6Iw)

If she was from the fair southern state of NH, yes, yes she would.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 07, 2014 07:16 AM (4df7R)

143

Hypothetical ...

... you're walking down a sidewalk at night. You see what you suspect is a mugging. Victim is wearing a coexist tee.

Do you give a shit anymore ? A shit I would no longer give.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 07, 2014 07:16 AM (PBbOM)

144

Hypothetical ...

... you're walking down a sidewalk at night. You see what you suspect is a mugging. Victim is wearing a coexist tee.

Do you give a shit anymore ? A shit I would no longer give.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 07, 2014 07:16 AM (PBbOM)

145

Hypothetical ...

... you're walking down a sidewalk at night. You see what you suspect is a mugging. Victim is wearing a coexist tee.

Do you give a shit anymore ? A shit I would no longer give.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 07, 2014 07:16 AM (PBbOM)

146 Even with a five minute response time, you can do a lot of killing before even the most competent and efficient police response. These people are deluded idiots. They should be sucking bags of dicks.

Posted by: flounder at March 07, 2014 07:16 AM (Kkt/i)

147 Even with a five minute response time, you can do a lot of killing before even the most competent and efficient police response. These people are deluded idiots. They should be sucking bags of dicks.

Posted by: flounder at March 07, 2014 07:16 AM (Kkt/i)

148 Even with a five minute response time, you can do a lot of killing before even the most competent and efficient police response. These people are deluded idiots. They should be sucking bags of dicks.

Posted by: flounder at March 07, 2014 07:16 AM (Kkt/i)

149 I suspect that they were screening and avoiding calls from the university phone trunk, which when you think about that is scary as shit.

I'm not a big fan of campus "womyn's centers" but you'd think their "rape prevention team" would be interested in knowing something like that.

Posted by: HR at March 07, 2014 07:17 AM (ZKzrr)

150 I suspect that they were screening and avoiding calls from the university phone trunk, which when you think about that is scary as shit.

I'm not a big fan of campus "womyn's centers" but you'd think their "rape prevention team" would be interested in knowing something like that.

Posted by: HR at March 07, 2014 07:17 AM (ZKzrr)

151 I suspect that they were screening and avoiding calls from the university phone trunk, which when you think about that is scary as shit.

I'm not a big fan of campus "womyn's centers" but you'd think their "rape prevention team" would be interested in knowing something like that.

Posted by: HR at March 07, 2014 07:17 AM (ZKzrr)

152 Here's the reality for Sarah fucking Kliff. My insurance was just fine before Obamacare. Now my premiums have doubled this year for a plan that is a little worse than my plan last year.

Posted by: Brewer at March 07, 2014 07:17 AM (eV1I0)

153 Here's the reality for Sarah fucking Kliff. My insurance was just fine before Obamacare. Now my premiums have doubled this year for a plan that is a little worse than my plan last year.

Posted by: Brewer at March 07, 2014 07:17 AM (eV1I0)

154 Here's the reality for Sarah fucking Kliff. My insurance was just fine before Obamacare. Now my premiums have doubled this year for a plan that is a little worse than my plan last year.

Posted by: Brewer at March 07, 2014 07:17 AM (eV1I0)

155 Police response to violent crime is not about stopping the crime in progress, it's about cleaning up the mess after.

It's about stopping blood feuds between gangs or families.

It's about restraining reasonable people who have temporarily lost their self control.

It's about keeping a civil disagreement from escalating, and they do that only poorly. The only effective restraint is that of the individuals involved in the dispute.

Police response is much like a simple lock on a door. Honest people respect property rights whether or not the property is secured, and restrain themselves whether or not the police have been called.. Dishonest people are not deterred by police.

Posted by: Mr Rebnulds at March 07, 2014 07:17 AM (DHD9t)

156 Police response to violent crime is not about stopping the crime in progress, it's about cleaning up the mess after.

It's about stopping blood feuds between gangs or families.

It's about restraining reasonable people who have temporarily lost their self control.

It's about keeping a civil disagreement from escalating, and they do that only poorly. The only effective restraint is that of the individuals involved in the dispute.

Police response is much like a simple lock on a door. Honest people respect property rights whether or not the property is secured, and restrain themselves whether or not the police have been called.. Dishonest people are not deterred by police.

Posted by: Mr Rebnulds at March 07, 2014 07:17 AM (DHD9t)

157 Police response to violent crime is not about stopping the crime in progress, it's about cleaning up the mess after.

It's about stopping blood feuds between gangs or families.

It's about restraining reasonable people who have temporarily lost their self control.

It's about keeping a civil disagreement from escalating, and they do that only poorly. The only effective restraint is that of the individuals involved in the dispute.

Police response is much like a simple lock on a door. Honest people respect property rights whether or not the property is secured, and restrain themselves whether or not the police have been called.. Dishonest people are not deterred by police.

Posted by: Mr Rebnulds at March 07, 2014 07:17 AM (DHD9t)

158 In before the scorpion!

Posted by: toby928© at March 07, 2014 07:18 AM (QupBk)

159

126 -

I haven't checked lately. Mainly because there have been/are days and sometimes weeks between his posts. Others on the main page keep the place going, but they're not interesting enough to warrant a daily visit by me.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 07, 2014 07:18 AM (TOk1P)

160 134
Hypothetical ...

... you're walking down a sidewalk at night. You see what you suspect is a mugging. Victim is wearing a coexist tee.

Do you give a shit anymore ? A shit I would no longer give.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 07, 2014 11:16 AM (PBbOM)

Eh. Even the mentally deficient deserve to be safe in their persons.

Posted by: joncelli at March 07, 2014 07:19 AM (RD7QR)

161 Hypothetical ...

... you're walking down a sidewalk at night. You see what you suspect is a mugging. Victim is wearing a coexist tee.

Do you give a shit anymore ? A shit I would no longer give.

-
You are watching a conservative being born.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 07, 2014 07:19 AM (XUKZU)

162 Fillet O'Fish is always good for a chuckle.

Posted by: toby928© at March 07, 2014 07:19 AM (QupBk)

163

True story: While in college, one of my liberal friends decided to bike down to the store. He lived in a bad area, and on the way to the store, he saw a large group of young black males hanging out on the sidewalk.

Not wishing to appear racist, he declined to cross to the other side of the street when passing them by. "We're all in this together," he thought. "I'll do my part not to stereotype these guys and instead be a friendly neighbor."

As he approached them, he gave them a big smile and a nod. That's when a two by four blasted him in the mouth, knocked him off his bike and shattered his teeth.

The group took his camera, his bike, and his wallet. Bloodied and disoriented from a concussion, my friend dragged himself across the street and found a pay phone to call for medial attention.

I literally laughed out loud when he told me this story. To his credit, he laughed at his own stupidity as well.

He's still a liberal, though.

Posted by: Warden at March 07, 2014 07:19 AM (mfZ9a)

164 Good Lord, Filet-O-Fish is still running his mouth?

The hell with arguing police response times. Let's make a deal with him. Have him stand there and watch sixty seconds count down on a watch. Now, beat him with a baseball bat for sixty seconds and ask what's left of him which time seemed longer.

Posted by: B at March 07, 2014 07:20 AM (twiRb)

165 ... you're walking down a sidewalk at night. You see what you suspect is a mugging. Victim is wearing a coexist tee. Shoot zem. Shoot zem both.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 07:20 AM (OL96w)

166 A local example of a man, killed for his phone, while he was on the line with 911 dispatch, in one of these so-called quick response areas.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/l9o9sna

A 17-year-old boy accused of killing a Seattle man after the other man fought off a robbery attempt has been charged as an adult.

Charged with first-degree murder, Byron White is alleged to have shot and killed David Peterson on Feb. 23 in SeattleÂ’s Greenwood neighborhood. White was arrested at Sea-Tac Airport attempting to board a flight to Atlanta.

King County prosecutors contend White, a Ballard High School student, first approached Peterson at 8:30 p.m. in the 8500 block of First Avenue Northwest.

White attempted to steal PetersonÂ’s cell phone, but Peterson, 54, fought him off, according to prosecutors. White is alleged to have walked away, then doubled back and shot Peterson in the chest, killing him.

Â“David Peterson went out for a walk around the neighborhood after dinner and never returned,Â” King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg said in a statement Wednesday. Â“He was a random victim from a chance encounter with a dangerous young man.

Â“That the evidence shows he was murdered for his cellphone by a teenager with a gun makes this all the more tragic and senseless.Â”

According to charging papers, Peterson called 911 from the parking lot of a Mud Bay pet store and reported heÂ’d been punched in the head by a man trying to steal his cell phone.

Peterson then told the 911 operator the man had turned around and was coming at him again. As the operator listened in, Peterson told his assailant he wasnÂ’t giving up his phone before the call suddenly disconnected.

Police arrived minutes later to find Peterson dead in the parking lot. HeÂ’d been shot in the chest; a spent 9 mm shell casing was found nearby.

Posted by: flounder at March 07, 2014 07:20 AM (Kkt/i)

167 Texas has held a primary (see election results, Cornyn) when Kentucky holds theirs we will find how many LIRs live in that state.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 07, 2014 07:20 AM (kxSZr)

168 28 Didn't the SCOTUS have a ruling a few years back where the po-po are not required to respond to a 9-1-1 call. So Ollie, call 9-1-1 all you want, because the po-po have other things to do besides responding to you distress signal. Posted by: Jim Scrummy at March 07, 2014 10:54 AM (6T8Ay) Warren v. DC By a 4Â–3 decision the court decided that Warren was not entitled to remedy at the bar despite the demonstrable abuse and ineptitude on the part of the police because no special relationship existed. The court stated that official police personnel and the government employing them owe no duty to victims of criminal acts and thus are not liable for a failure to provide adequate police protection unless a special relationship exists. The case was dismissed by the trial court for failure to state a claim and the case never went to trial.

Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 07:21 AM (fWAjv)

169 I'm lucky in that I live a 2 minute walk away from a police station, in a quiet neighborhood of foreign graduate students/visiting scholars. Others are not so lucky.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at March 07, 2014 07:21 AM (09o/X)

170 He liberals remember "911 Is A Joke"

Posted by: Flava Flave at March 07, 2014 07:21 AM (gnTUZ)

171 Â“That the evidence shows he was murdered for his cellphone by a
teenager with a gun makes this all the more tragic andsenseless.Â”

Ban cellphones. Problem solved.

Posted by: HR at March 07, 2014 07:21 AM (ZKzrr)

172 142 ... Not necessarily. Remember the knockout game chic a couple months ago ? First thing out of her mouth was the call for more midnight basketball.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 07, 2014 07:21 AM (PBbOM)

173 I literally laughed out loud when he told me this story. To his credit, he laughed at his own stupidity as well.

He's still a liberal, though.

Posted by: Warden at March 07, 2014 11:19 AM (mfZ9a)

Giving truth to the saying "you can't fix stupid."

Posted by: flounder at March 07, 2014 07:22 AM (Kkt/i)

174 109 Cops' job is to catch criminals. Crime prevention is an occasional side-effect. I'd say: Cops' job is to increase revenue through issuing traffic tickets. Crime prevention and catching criminals is an occasional side-effect.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 07, 2014 07:22 AM (7ObY1)

175 When seconds count, police are minutes away. Didn't it take police 20 minutes to respond at Newtown? Google map tells me it only takes 7 minutes and that's if you abide by the traffic laws and stoplights. Flash the lights and couldn't they cut at least a minute or two off the response time? Good luck counting on the police when you need them.

Posted by: Titanium at March 07, 2014 07:23 AM (oDFTq)

176

[Am I imagining things or did you just desock a post?!]

Hypothetically?

Posted by: Justice Roberts at March 07, 2014 07:23 AM (mfZ9a)

177 "The Trouble with Tribbles" In many ways, a story of the Obama Administration.

Posted by: Gene Rodham-Barry at March 07, 2014 07:25 AM (KQp38)

178 "He's still a liberal, though. " Like too many I suspect he believes that they just haven't tried liberalism hard enough yet. Just haven't found the "right" people to see it through.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 07, 2014 07:25 AM (gOoFi)

179 In fairness to the cops, in Florida it is assumed the homeowner plugs home invaders him or herself. At least a few times a year some crew gets ventilated and no charges are filed against the homeowner. You just don't hear about many unopposed home invasions, or many at all really.

Posted by: Beagle at March 07, 2014 07:25 AM (sOtz/)

180 150 I'm lucky in that I live a 2 minute walk away from a police station, in a quiet neighborhood of foreign graduate students/visiting scholars. Others are not so lucky. Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at March 07, 2014 11:21 AM (09o/X) This happened a few miles from my old house A Fairfax County police detective was killed and two officers were wounded yesterday afternoon after a gunman opened fire with high-powered weapons in the parking lot of a police station during a shift change, law enforcement officials said. The gunman, who was awaiting trial on carjacking charges in Montgomery County, was killed during the ensuing shootout with police, the officials said.

Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 07:27 AM (fWAjv)

181

OT, but man, I'm depressed. I FINALLY had some money saved up in my bank account, enough so that I thought I might be able to make it to the next NoVaMoMee without having to skin my knuckles trying to cut back on expenses, and what happens instead? I have to replace my front brake pads and rotors. There's $400 gone.

*re-reviews expenses for next three months*

I am NOT missing the MoMee, dammit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 07, 2014 07:27 AM (4df7R)

182 Ya'll get a better response time if you let the local po-po know you donate to their po-po charities.

Posted by: Fritz at March 07, 2014 07:28 AM (UzPAd)

183 Cops' job is to increase revenue through issuing traffic tickets. -- LOL. Yeah, I don't knwo why people complain about police response time. Just try going over the speed limit and "wangwangwag" there they are.

Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 07:28 AM (GSIDW)

184 Mr. Willis seems to think that police officers are personal bodyguards on call to every citizen at any time, at the drop of a hat. Why would you entrust your safety to an outside, intermittent, unreliable and possibly unavailable source, when you dont have to?

Posted by: grammie winger at March 07, 2014 07:28 AM (oMKp3)

185 Not that I agree with this Willis asshat...but that's not right EC. Newton response time was about 4 mins. from the first 911 call.

Was it? I must have remembered wrong then. But I do recall something about an extraordinarily long response time for an active shooter 911 call being made.

Posted by: EC at March 07, 2014 07:28 AM (GQ8sn)

186 BTW, if I were a penguin, I would be ashamed to be used as Sarah Kliff's Twitter icon.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 07, 2014 07:28 AM (4df7R)

187 This is my rifle, this is my gun...

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at March 07, 2014 07:29 AM (hHFOx)

188 164 Cops' job is to increase revenue through issuing traffic tickets. -- LOL. Yeah, I don't knwo why people complain about police response time. Just try going over the speed limit and "wangwangwag" there they are. Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 11:28 AM (GSIDW Great. If I ever get shot, I'll try getting in my car and speeding before I bleed out.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 07:30 AM (OL96w)

189 168 Ew. Brain bleach, stat!

Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 07:30 AM (GSIDW)

190 To crib from fixerupper's comment yesterday, did I miss the Rapture? Where'd everyone go!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 07, 2014 07:30 AM (4df7R)

191 I am NOT missing the MoMee, dammit.

Kickstarter for special reading requests from morons.

"Dear Penthouse forum....."

Posted by: EC at March 07, 2014 07:31 AM (GQ8sn)

192 Kevin D. Williamson: 1. Our technocrats dream of being Â“China for a day.Â” There were not very many conservatives in 1955 writing articles about lessons to be learned from Singapore. 2. The American tradition of reverence for the precise language of the Constitution is no doubt culturally related to our Protestant tradition of personal Biblical interpretation, http://tinyurl.com/lp92cov 1. Now think which (neo)conservatives are technocrats pro-Red Communism since Nixinger's Most Favored Trade Nation. And remember, the Democrat elitist ideology that promoted the virtues of the USSR from FDR administration advisers revised their identity to become Republican Neoconservatives, aka fascists, the "right" of left. For all Williamson's snark aimed at constitutional integrity, he still wants it, just rebranded as a prize "won" by neoconservatism. Pfft. Talk about exercises in futility. 2. "The American tradition of reverence for the precise language of the Constitution is no doubt culturally related to our Protestant tradition of personal Biblical interpretation," ?! As if precise language = personal interpretation. Go figure. He had a brain fart and sold it as inspiration. Besides, the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land; as such, exact words matter legally. As for his biblical metaphor, the Myth as Truth is not based on the literal for meaning. Go down hermeneutic roads all you like, another per language and per translation: Lichtenberg fractal patterns...

Posted by: panzernashorn at March 07, 2014 07:32 AM (MhA4j)

193 162?
MRW?

Don't feel too bad- I took my late wife's Eclipse to the dealer a couple of month's ago for an oil and filter change. They found 2 weeks and $3,000 worth wrong with it.

Yeah, I reviewed their work- I used to be Willy Newman's Chief Mechanic. All legit. Just very costly.

Posted by: backhoe at March 07, 2014 07:33 AM (ULH4o)

194 166 Not that I agree with this Willis asshat...but that's not right EC. Newton response time was about 4 mins. from the first 911 call. Was it? I must have remembered wrong then. But I do recall something about an extraordinarily long response time for an active shooter 911 call being made. Posted by: EC at March 07, 2014 11:28 AM (GQ8sn) Virginia Tech, maybe? I don't recall specifically I there was an issue with police response or not.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 07:33 AM (OL96w)

195

Newsflash! Oliver "whatyoutalkinbout" Willis is a pinhead.

As they say, "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away".

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at March 07, 2014 07:33 AM (bbivj)

196 Speaking of reality based, a dude just asked susan sarandon "what about family of murder victims and their desire for justice" with regard to death penalty. Sarandon asked if the dude watched her flic deadman walking and said that was the answer. WTF. A lot of showbiz folks really are some dumb out of touch fucks.jenny mccarthy is still hot as hell too.

Posted by: fastfreefall at March 07, 2014 07:33 AM (ELHK5)

197 Was it? I must have remembered wrong then. But I do recall something about an extraordinarily long response time for an active shooter 911 call being made. Posted by: EC at March 07, 2014 11:28 AM (GQ8sn) Columbine took forever.

Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 07:34 AM (fWAjv)

198 Ya'll get a better response time if you let the local po-po know you donate to their po-po charities.

Posted by: Fritz at March 07, 2014 11:28 AM (UzPAd)

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I NEVER got ticketed the three times I was pulled over sporting my "Back The Badge" window sticker.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 07, 2014 07:34 AM (nELVU)

199 The term 'perception is reality' is one of the most dangerous sayings we have... Dems believe that if they can get people to 'perceive' their 'truth'... that it will become reality. And sadly... people have voted for generations on 'nice' things... that were patently unworkable, based on things that were not true. Liberals perceive no need for guns... because THEY have never used one... they don't understand that because they CHOSE to not even have that tool available... that others can and will use it to save lives, often their own. My 85 year old Mom is a case in point.... Anti gun her entire life... didn't even want us playing with toy guns as children.... I moved back to California to take care of her 3 years ago... and the minute she saw my guns (now sadly lost in a boating accident)... FREAK!!!! Kept em anyway.... and now she does not gripe about them... because we had someone trying to break into the house... they left when, gun in hand, I flipped on the outside lights... Her perception got the Reality override...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 07, 2014 07:34 AM (84gbM)

200 Virginia Tech, maybe? I don't recall specifically I there was an issue with police response or not.

Is there a Sandy Hook response timeline? I could have sworn it was Sandy Hook.

Posted by: EC at March 07, 2014 07:34 AM (GQ8sn)

201 I would assume there would be faster response times for school shootings as opposed to private home break-ins.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 07, 2014 07:34 AM (oMKp3)

202 177 I was a nun there! SO you KNOW I was right!

Posted by: Susan Sarandon at March 07, 2014 07:34 AM (GSIDW)

203 "Who is Oliver Willis?"
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Imagine Fat Albert, only he's a douchebag.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 07, 2014 07:34 AM (/AHDz)

204

Speaking from a cop family, you better be prepared to defend yourselves, get your story straight from the get go, never waive your rights and lawyer up. Be polite, but give them nothing.

The police are there to uphold the law, not protect citizens.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at March 07, 2014 07:35 AM (0cBHN)

205 Was it? I must have remembered wrong then. But I do recall something about an extraordinarily long response time for an active shooter 911 call being made.

Posted by: EC at March 07, 2014 11:28 AM (GQ8sn)

Virginia Tech, maybe? I don't recall specifically I there was an issue with police response or not.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 11:33 AM (OL96w)

It was Columbine, which changed protocols throughout the country for active shooters, as I understand.

Posted by: flounder at March 07, 2014 07:36 AM (Kkt/i)

206 This is my rifle, this is my gun...

Posted by: Mitch McConnell

Should we wait for you to complete the full routine there, because it's going to take you a loooooong time to find them.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 07, 2014 07:36 AM (Y/M/K)

207 "I was a nun there! SO you KNOW I was right! Posted by: Susan Sarandon " Well, you were white trash in "Thelma and Louise" so does that make you a meth whore too?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 07, 2014 07:36 AM (gOoFi)

208

Sarandon asked if the dude watched her flic deadman walking and said that was the answer.

So Sarandon is saying that more people should become Catholic nuns and devote themselves to the salvation of doomed souls? Who knew she was so religious!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 07, 2014 07:36 AM (4df7R)

209 "I was a nun there! SO you KNOW I was right!"
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My father was a nun!

Posted by: Private S. Baldrick at March 07, 2014 07:36 AM (/AHDz)

210 Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 11:33 AM (OL96w) Columbine... and the really scary part??? Those two used to deliver pizza... to MY HOUSE... some of the tip money I gave them went to fund that... Really sobering thought...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 07, 2014 07:37 AM (84gbM)

211 >>>I NEVER got ticketed the three times I was pulled over sporting my "Back The Badge" window sticker.<<<

Damn straight. Works like a charm.

Posted by: Fritz at March 07, 2014 07:37 AM (UzPAd)

212

Who is Oliver Willis?

A character on a popular '60s TV show co-starring Eva Gabor. In the show, a New York attorney and his wife try to live as genteel farmers in the bizarre community of Hooterville.

Posted by: Mr. Haney at March 07, 2014 07:38 AM (BAS5M)

213 Is there a Sandy Hook response timeline? I could have sworn it was Sandy Hook. Posted by: EC at March 07, 2014 11:34 AM (GQ8sn) http://tinyurl.com/kxga4yy Page 15 (starting at bottom) & page 16.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 07, 2014 07:38 AM (bCEmE)

214 If , if the cops could even find my house , which is unlikely , it'd take 'em 5 minutes to get down the drive , at least thirty minutes from the law complex . Be smarter for me to just tell them to take their time and send the coroner and a hearse for any perps that want to try us .

Posted by: awkward davies at March 07, 2014 07:38 AM (whqez)

215 188 "I was a nun there! SO you KNOW I was right! Posted by: Susan Sarandon " Well, you were white trash in "Thelma and Louise" so does that make you a meth whore too? Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 07, 2014 11:36 AM (gOoFi) Damn it... Janet....

Posted by: Brad Majors.... Asshole at March 07, 2014 07:38 AM (84gbM)

216 newpid

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 07, 2014 07:38 AM (Y/M/K)

217 Is there a Sandy Hook response timeline? I could have sworn it was Sandy Hook. Posted by: EC at March 07, 2014 11:34 AM (GQ8sn) 9:35:39 - First 911 call to Newtown Police Department is received. 9:36:06 - Newtown Police Department dispatcher broadcasts that there is a shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. 9:37:38 - Connecticut State Police are dispatched to Sandy Hook Elementary School for active shooter. 9:38:50 - Connecticut State Police are informed that Sandy Hook Elementary School is in lockdown. 9:39:00 - First Newtown police officer arrives behind Sandy Hook Elementary School on Crestwood Road. 9:39:13 - Two more Newtown officers arrive at Sandy Hook Elementary School and park on the driveway near the ball field. Gunshots are heard in the background. 9:39:34 - Newtown officer encounters unknown male running along the east side of Sandy Hook Elementary School with something in his hand. 9:40:03 - Last gunshot is heard. This is believed to be the final suicide shot from the shooter in classroom 10. 9:41:07 - Information is relayed as to the location of the last known gunshots heard within Sandy Hook Elementary School, the front of the building. 9:41:24 - Newtown officer has unknown male prone on ground, starting information relay regarding possibly more than one shooter. 9:42:39 - Newtown officer calls out the license plate of the shooter's car. 9:44:47 - Newtown officers enter Sandy Hook Elementary School. 9:46:23 - Connecticut State Police arrive at Sandy Hook Elementary School. 9:46:48 - Connecticut State Police enter Sandy Hook Elementary School

Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 07:38 AM (fWAjv)

218 Bless the USO volunteers but they keep putti g bullshit channels on the tv: GMA, now The View. WTF.

Posted by: fastfreefall at March 07, 2014 07:38 AM (ELHK5)

219 "This is my rifle, this is my gun...
Posted by: Mitch McConnell"
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♫ There's no such thing as a hill to die on ♪

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at March 07, 2014 07:40 AM (/AHDz)

220 Per the liberal myth of "americans live within quick response sphere of police. "... Omaha Nebraska police will not rush into a household where there may be a robbery or home invasion in progress. They will arrive at the perimeter, monitor the situation, and await backup before then walking the property. Once it appears there is not a crime in progress, they will knock on the door of the residence. If there has been a crime committed, with or without victims, they will then begin investigating the crime scene.

Law enforcement is not there to protect you from the criminals during the commission of a crime. That is your duty. Any progressive who indicates otherwise is deranged, dishonest, or both.

Posted by: Multitude at March 07, 2014 07:40 AM (gJDLl)

221

Mr. Willis seems to think. . .

Like watching a baboon trying to fuck a basketball.

Posted by: Richard Nixon at March 07, 2014 07:41 AM (zF6Iw)

222 Not Charlie Brown's definition of insanity for our Lives. http://tinyurl.com/6u4ttw4 Charlie Chaplin, The Great Dictator "You must speak. You must. It's our only hope."

Posted by: panzernashorn at March 07, 2014 07:41 AM (MhA4j)

223
At Sandy Hook, the cops arrived on location about 4 min after the 911 call, a few seconds later was the last shot fired (killer's suicide)........and the cops entered the building about 5 minutes later. The timeline is in the wiki article.

At Columbine, the cops arrived almost immediately, but dicked around outside for over 30 minutes before entering the school.

I guess 5 minutes is an improvement.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 07, 2014 07:41 AM (TIIx5)

224 MWR, ouch! Those out-of-the-blue repairs are the worst.

Posted by: Richard Nixon at March 07, 2014 07:41 AM (zF6Iw)

225 Who knew she was so religious! Posted by: MWR, Her vagina: worship me.

Posted by: panzernashorn at March 07, 2014 07:43 AM (MhA4j)

226 Imagine Fat Albert, only he's a douchebag.

Thread winner.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 07, 2014 07:45 AM (B/VB5)

227 185?

Buckeye Abroad ?

My late wife worked for years with the wife of the local Chief of Detectives. All the women in his family- from Grandmaw to girls- had at least one sidearm in their purses and another in their gloveboxes.

Posted by: backhoe at March 07, 2014 07:45 AM (ULH4o)

228 At Virginia Tech the first killings occurred very early in the morning in a dormitory. The shooter then went to the academic buildings later and continued his killing spree. Students were not prepared or informed of the situation.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 07, 2014 07:46 AM (l3vZN)

229 A character on a popular '60s TV show co-starring Eva Gabor. It's a common misconception that Willis played the role of Arnold Ziffel. According to IMDB, it was actually Brian Dennehy.

Posted by: toby928© at March 07, 2014 07:46 AM (QupBk)

230 Why would you entrust your safety to an outside, intermittent, unreliable and possibly unavailable source, when you dont have to? Posted by: grammie winger at March 07, 2014 11:28 AM (oMKp3) Because that would mean one would have to assume personal responsibility, something liberals avoid at all costs.

Posted by: Jen at March 07, 2014 07:47 AM (3wFh7)

231 Thanks Willis but in the interest of saving time, taxpayer funds and environmetal resources, I prefer calling in the Coroner rather than the police! Coroner? Soon there's going to be a dead guy or two in my house come whenever you have time!

Posted by: Concealedkerry or submitt at March 07, 2014 07:47 AM (vXqv3)

232 WebMD is soliciting questiosn for an Obama interview under the hashtag #WebMDAsksObama Here's my q: #WebMDAsksObama is it true that Kathleen Sebelius skins puppies to make coats and you eat them?

Posted by: Susan Sarandon at March 07, 2014 07:47 AM (GSIDW)

233 193?

Green Acres and Petticoat Junction. So much better than the current TV trash....

Posted by: backhoe at March 07, 2014 07:48 AM (ULH4o)

234 MWR ... are they turning rotors or replacing ? That sounds steep if only turning.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 07, 2014 07:48 AM (PBbOM)

235 If , if the cops could even find my house , which is unlikely , it'd take 'em 5 minutes to get down the drive , at least thirty minutes from the law complex . Same here. The razor wire alone will delay them for 10 minutes.

Posted by: toby928© at March 07, 2014 07:49 AM (QupBk)

236 Do ya'll enjoy the filth of an old thread? Masochists.

Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 07:50 AM (fWAjv)

237 The only way you could truly rely on the police is to have policemen in everyone's bedrooms, on every street corner, in every aisle of every grocery store, and in every room of every building of every business. (And you would have to trust that none of the policemen were criminals themselves, too.) This idea, let's call it a "police state" for lack of a better term, is something so-called liberals used to oppose, if I'm not mistaken.

Posted by: rfichoke at March 07, 2014 07:52 AM (2G73v)

238 Heh, so hard to get the Sarandon sock off

Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 07:53 AM (GSIDW)

239

late to the party, but re "reality based community": bears as much resemblance to conditions as the phrase "based on a true story" does to fact.

Posted by: barbarausa at March 07, 2014 07:54 AM (WWeoI)

240 215?

ScoggDog ?

They actually have a new turning machine that does it on the car. I'm told it's better than the old "remove and turn" machines. I started working life as an apprentice machinist at Island Auto Parts in 1969. I think we had a Storm Vulcan on a pedestal we used. Old as the hills....

Posted by: backhoe at March 07, 2014 07:55 AM (ULH4o)

241 @90 - My mother often says, "They'd steal Christ off the cross and come back for the nails."

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 07, 2014 07:58 AM (vg8iE)

242 177 Speaking of reality based, a dude just asked susan sarandon "what about family of murder victims and their desire for justice" with regard to death penalty. Sarandon asked if the dude watched her flic deadman walking and said that was the answer. WTF. A lot of showbiz folks really are some dumb out of touch fucks.jenny mccarthy is still hot as hell too. Posted by: fastfreefall at March 07, 2014 11:33 AM (ELHK5) Made up bullshit is not the answer, Susie! That book and film was pure dishonest crap. Prejean lies her ass off. She use to post her calender online. I looked up how many times she so called ministered to people in prison and calculated two days in one year. She runs around collecting fees for giving speeches where she lies about the evidence used to convict killers. Familes hate her. During an execution, tho everyone advised to be quiet, Prejean started wailing "forgive them lord, for they know not what they've done." If I was the father of the victim, I would have cold cocked that nun. She also shilled for obama. So, she really doesn't care for innocent life -- just the ones who rape/rob and murder.

Posted by: Judge Pug at March 07, 2014 08:00 AM (hJnUx)

243 I'd like to see that backhoe. All I've ever done is remove 'em and taken 'em in. Never resurfaced them myself.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 07, 2014 08:02 AM (PBbOM)

244 117?

grammie winger?

I really can't quarrel with that. Locally we see our taxes raised all the time "for the sake of the children." People stupid enough to fall for this BS deserve it. Unfortunately, I don't. Dammit.....

Posted by: backhoe at March 07, 2014 08:16 AM (ULH4o)

245 224?

ScoggDog ?

I actually built a turning machine- pillow-block bearings, shaft of 1" drill rod. Cutters on micrometer mounts for turning drums and rotors. Haven't used it in many years, but it turns "true...."

In a pinch a heavy lathe will do. I have only seen pictures of this new "turn on the car" machine, but it makes sense to use the bearings of the axle the rotor's on ( assuming they are "true" ) to turn them.

Posted by: backhoe at March 07, 2014 08:25 AM (ULH4o)

246 This idea, let's call it a "police state" for lack of a better term, is something so-called liberals used to oppose, if I'm not mistaken.

***

Actual liberals still do. Unfortunately there aren't many actual liberals still extant. They've been replaced by totalitarian statists.

Posted by: cool arrow at March 07, 2014 08:34 AM (Dqdyh)

247 For all their bluster about The Man, Progtards loves them some hawt Police State action.

Posted by: Jaws at March 07, 2014 08:41 AM (eKZp1)

248 My god, Oliver Willis is an idiot. Does he actually make a living writing that inane pap?

Posted by: holygoat at March 07, 2014 08:45 AM (vAiDn)

249 Question Authority! Smash the State! Kill the Pigs! Only cops should have guns! ???

Posted by: holygoat at March 07, 2014 08:46 AM (vAiDn)

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