April 07, 2014

ACLU Liberal Floyd Abrams: "Liberal" Justices' Embrace of "Collective" Right to Free Expression is "Disturbing"
— Ace

Apparently Breyer has been pushing to make Free Expression a "collective" right, subject to a veto from the majority, for some time.

But it was only in the McCutcheon case that he found three other "liberals" willing to endorse his bizarre theory.

In his book Active Liberty: Interpreting Our Democratic Constitution (2006), Justice Breyer offered an overview of the First Amendment which posited that its primary purpose was not to protect speech from government control or limitation but “to encourage the exchange of information and ideas necessary for citizens themselves to shape that ‘public opinion which is the final source of government in a democratic state.’” A statute limiting independent spending on political speech is thus defensible against a First Amendment challenge and indeed serves First Amendment interests since it “facilitate[s] a conversation among ordinary citizens that will encourage their informed participation.”

In his dissenting opinion in McCutcheon, Breyer takes that a step further, concluding that “the First Amendment advances not only the individual’s right to engage in political speech, but also the public’s interest in preserving a democratic order in which collective speech matters.” (emphasis in original). The First Amendment, he maintains, must be understood as promoting “a government where the laws reflect the very thoughts, views, ideas and sentiments, the expression of which the First Amendment protects.”

Worth reading in full, as is Abrams' full piece. (The first link has excerpts and additional quotes from other writers.)

It is difficult to read the McCutcheon dissent without recalling two of the Court’s landmark First Amendment rulings of the past. Both were unanimous. Both would be at risk if the First Amendment were somehow viewed as anything but a limitation on the government’s power to limit speech, even in the supposed service of “preserving democratic order,” vindicating “collective speech,” or the like.

They really like government power, and they really don't like individual liberty.

Posted by: Ace at 08:32 AM | Comments (335)
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1 I will not be quiet.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 07, 2014 08:35 AM (oMKp3)

2 Yeah that's not scary.

Posted by: Adam at April 07, 2014 08:35 AM (Aif/5)

3 Can't think of anything else to say, except:



FIRST!!!



AMENDMENT!!!

Posted by: EC at April 07, 2014 08:35 AM (GQ8sn)

4 Breyer coming up with that was kind of literary... in an 1984 kind of way, I mean.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 07, 2014 08:35 AM (BZAd3)

5 I have a fair amount of free speech to direct to that. But it really isn't printable. At least not until the ONT.

Posted by: tcn at April 07, 2014 08:35 AM (fwcEs)

6 Apparently Breyer has been pushing to make Free Expression a "collective" right, subject to a veto from the majority, for some time. Never go full crazy.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2014 08:35 AM (E7Zh9)

7 grammie - Really, you shouldn't be so disruptive.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 07, 2014 08:35 AM (aDwsi)

8 Yup.... this is REALLY disturbing... When the only Constitutional check left on Federal Power, is the Federal Courts... with Judges appointed by the Federal Government... You have a problem... Now we have 4 Supremes who have rewritten what a RIGHT is.... One more? and the Constitution we thought we had... is done. Note.... 34 States have asked for a Constitutional Amendment for a Balanced Budget... and there is NO talk of that happening...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2014 08:35 AM (84gbM)

9 HALLIBURTON!!!11!! CHENEY!!! LUAP DNAR!!!111!!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 07, 2014 08:36 AM (da5Wo)

10 All speech is equal, it's just the progressively-approved speech is MORE equal.....just ask the ex-CEO of Mozilla.

Posted by: prouvastrightwingconspirator at April 07, 2014 08:36 AM (OJLOy)

11 Well I'll say this, the constant cries of "racist" from the left are making discourse quite hard. Perhaps Breyer would like to ban the use of that word altogether. What's that? No. Well then, Consistency, yo! it's important.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 07, 2014 08:37 AM (HDwDg)

12 this is what gets me about this kind of blatant ideology-masquerading-as-jurisprudence chicanery: They can't see the extremely heavy cudgel they could be handing their ideological adversaries. See also: The whole stupid Eich Affair.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 07, 2014 08:37 AM (659DL)

13 It's almost like liberals are really fascists or something.

Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2014 08:37 AM (4+AaH)

14 who told Breyer he could speak?

Posted by: X at April 07, 2014 08:37 AM (KHo8t)

15 Yeah, seriously, we don't even know what they fuck the were on when they did this.

Posted by: Liberal Left at April 07, 2014 08:38 AM (gOoFi)

16 If 1st Amendment free speech is deemed only a right when used for the "benefit of the collective", how long before the 2nd Amendment is simply deemed 'not in the best interests of the collective', and re-interpreted in a fashion that bans personal ownership as a public safety measure?? Slippery slope and all that....

Posted by: prouvastrightwingconspirator at April 07, 2014 08:40 AM (OJLOy)

17

What's sad  is I think  a large part of  this nation  has already moved to Breyer's  opinion.

 

Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2014 08:40 AM (r+vgB)

18 You can have free speech. You just have to say the right things.

Posted by: Justice Breyer at April 07, 2014 08:40 AM (8ZskC)

19 That pendulum swing back to the right is going to be one wild ride.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 07, 2014 08:40 AM (AC0lD)

20 But it was only in the McCutcheon case that he found three other "liberals" willing to endorse his bizarre theory.
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Has the left *ever* stopped itself from achieving a political end due to procedural concerns? Ever?

In this case we are talking about the first amendment of the Constitution, but this is merely a change in scale, not in type.

The left has only one moral value...that which empowers the left is good, that which weakens it is bad.

And the leftist SC judges are being consistent here.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2014 08:41 AM (78TbK)

21 I like his ice cream.

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 07, 2014 08:41 AM (8ZskC)

22 remember, only the GOP is embarassed by their judges because mumble mumble mumble scalia birth control. The GOP has formally agreed to never criticize insane liberal judges during election campaigns. because pointing out that democrats nominate insane liberals to the bench would only drive the moderates from the GOP.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 07, 2014 08:41 AM (+JbYP)

23 They don't dislike individual liberty, they just believe it serves what they consider a higher purpose. Liberty is not their goal, its merely one more tool toward an end goal of what they define as "fairness" and "justice."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 07, 2014 08:42 AM (zfY+H)

24 Who is this mastermind who gets to decide what is a "benefit of the collective"?

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 07, 2014 08:42 AM (LSJmV)

25 Man, the hell with this - did you guys see what Rand Paul said about Iraq and Dick Cheney years ago????  Now THAT'S what's really important!

Posted by: radar at April 07, 2014 08:42 AM (eNZFc)

26 High priests of the State with muddy shoes, bloody hands, and black hearts.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2014 08:42 AM (L50WF)

27
Looks like Abrams is smart enough to realize that without those individual rights you are subject to the whims of who is in power.  So good for him.

Breyer apparently feels that his collective will always be in power.

But maybe he is right.  The one thing I have noticed about leftists in the past few years is they are done pretending and they say what they really believe.  So they must also believe they have now gained permanent power.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 07, 2014 08:42 AM (hUf/y)

28
They can't see the extremely heavy cudgel they could be handing their ideological adversaries.

See also: The whole stupid Eich Affair.
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When has the right ever taken something like this and used it against the left?

And here is one of the central problems of our age. The left knows that they can do almost anything and that there will be no push back. So why shouldn't they weaponize the IRS, loot the treasury, imprison people for holding Christian beliefs...etc?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2014 08:43 AM (78TbK)

29 The Borg had to start somewhere.

Posted by: huerfano at April 07, 2014 08:43 AM (bAGA/)

30 Who is this mastermind who gets to decide what is a "benefit of the collective"? Posted by: Countrysquire at April 07, 2014 12:42 PM (LSJmV) Do I really have to explain this to you again? Oh than and that pain you're feeling from the clubs hitting you. Tax, totally a tax.

Posted by: John Roberts at April 07, 2014 08:43 AM (HDwDg)

31 They don't dislike individual liberty, they just believe it serves what they consider a higher purpose. Well said, citizen.

Posted by: Maximilien de Robespierre at April 07, 2014 08:43 AM (8ZskC)

32 Free speech? More like free and unboxed text!!

Posted by: AMDG at April 07, 2014 08:43 AM (eFytx)

33 Who is this mastermind who gets to decide what is a "benefit of the collective"? Ahem...

Posted by: Democrat Party at April 07, 2014 08:43 AM (gOoFi)

34 *Didn't last long, did it.

Posted by: AMDG at April 07, 2014 08:44 AM (eFytx)

35

Hell, hand-basket. Some assembly required....

 

Collectivists gonna Collect, yo.

Posted by: wytshus at April 07, 2014 08:44 AM (DErq5)

36 Kulaks R Us

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2014 08:44 AM (L50WF)

37 Well this country had a good run, I suppose. I don't even think the liberals will let the progressives get away with this though. And if speech becomes just another thing to be regulated, the uprisings might start sooner rather than later.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 07, 2014 08:44 AM (HDwDg)

38 PRO TIP: You'll be needing plenty of guillotines.

Posted by: Maximilien de Robespierre at April 07, 2014 08:45 AM (8ZskC)

39 It is no accident that the first amendment guarantees freedom of religion along with freedom of speech. Free conscience, free thought, and free communication go hand in hand. You cannot stop them. They are a force of nature. God seems to agree: Luke 19: 39,40 Some of the Pharisees in the crowd spoke to Jesus. “Teacher,” they said, “tell your disciples to stop (praising God) “I tell you,” he replied, “if they keep quiet, the very stones will cry out.”

Posted by: grammie winger at April 07, 2014 08:45 AM (oMKp3)

40 Who is this mastermind who gets to decide what is a "benefit of the collective"? what do you think she meant by wise latina

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 07, 2014 08:45 AM (+JbYP)

41 Breyer's position should be pounded into ads saying "all democrats" hold this position.

Posted by: jb at April 07, 2014 08:45 AM (s0nl0)

42 Shut Up! The collective explained.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 07, 2014 08:45 AM (4tAp3)

43 They don't dislike individual liberty, they just believe it serves what they consider a higher purpose. Liberty is not their goal, its merely one more tool toward an end goal of what they define as "fairness" and "justice."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 07, 2014 12:42 PM (zfY+H)

 

 

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The left is very good at using the Constitution against us,  while,  at the same time, destroying the Constitution. 

Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2014 08:46 AM (r+vgB)

44 I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!

Posted by: Breyer Corleone at April 07, 2014 08:46 AM (NF2Bf)

45 "The left has only one moral value...that which empowers the left is good, that which weakens it is bad."
Exactly, and its a religious thing, not a rational one. If tomorrow the left decided homosexual "marriage" is an oppressive heteronormative imposition (again) then that would be absolute truth they fight for.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 07, 2014 08:46 AM (zfY+H)

46 Kulaks R Us

The left learned the lessons of National and International Socialism in the last century.

They aren't going to destroy any more of the productive class then they have to. But they are going to reduce us to a new form of serfdom.

This time it will be different though because the self selecting elite that will rule over us will be looking out for our own interests....while the old aristocracy only said that is what they were doing...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2014 08:46 AM (78TbK)

47 I'm thinking the old geezer has been on the collective bench too long and needs a collective boot-in-the-ass toward retirement.

Posted by: Fritz at April 07, 2014 08:46 AM (UzPAd)

48 They really like government power, and they really don't like individual liberty. Of course not. The individual might do something wrong and we can't have that. Many people have noted that the Left and the Right in America do not appear to be engaging in any kind of dialogue. I would posit that this is because the Left and the Right no longer share the same vocabulary. The Left views rights as being constituted of positive rights that reside in the collective. The Right views rights as being primarily negative rights that reside in the individual. Thus, any discussion of rights begins from two diametrically opposed definitions of the term "rights". I have been kicking around for some time the idea that the Left, by and large, does not recognize the concept of the individual in a political context at all. I don't mean collective vs. individual rights, I mean the concept of the individual as a separate being. This explains the apparent contradiction of the OWSers who shriek about collectivism but then freak if you try to take their ipad. The State is everything and there is nothing outside the State. All political actions are taken by the collective as a whole and the individual exists to, and only to, the extent the individual is part of the collective. It is a lack of ability to comprehend that there is even a disconnect between the State should own all and this is my stuff that leads to a fundamental rejection of the idea that the person expressing such views is being a hypocrite. That person cannot even conceive of the idea of the individual in a political context thus what that person does on a personal level (hey that's my ipad!) has nothing to do with what that person does as a member of the State (hey Apple needs to share the Smaug's horde on which it sits!). In that context, Breyer's position is consistent. The only entity that is deserving of rights is the State. An individual within the State only has such ancillary rights as flow from the State's holding thereof.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 07, 2014 08:47 AM (mf5HN)

49 PRO TIP: You'll be needing plenty of guillotines. And may we suggest the Slicer-roo 2000. Thirty percent more heads chopped per hour than the leading competitor's model.

Posted by: Acme Guillotine Co. at April 07, 2014 08:47 AM (gOoFi)

50 47 I'm thinking the old geezer has been on the collective bench too long and needs a collective boot-in-the-ass toward retirement. Posted by: Fritz at April 07, 2014 12:46 PM (UzPAd) I hope you mean post 2017...

Posted by: AMDG at April 07, 2014 08:47 AM (eFytx)

51 The US constitution was written to be understood by people with the equivalent of a sixth grade education.  An     18th century    equivalent of a sixth grade education, which is substantially higher than what the average public high school        senior has   perhaps, but not    by much.  Why we allow the elites to tell us that 2 + 2  =   5    is an issue which has irked me     for some time.   I rely on experts to tell me the relevant facts so that I can make a decision;    I never allow experts to     decide for me, or    tell me what my decision must    be.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 07, 2014 08:47 AM (eGmvn)

52 And the State is an all encompassing Blob.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 07, 2014 08:48 AM (L50WF)

53 When the Right pushes back on any social, judicial or policy issue, they are branded as "haters", "radicals" or "indifferent to the suffering" of whatever victim class the leftist policy or decision is designed to support. Support traditional marriage = homophobia Question anthropological global warming = denier Oppose unfettered, unlawful immigration = xenophobe Support voter ID laws to prevent obvious voter fraud = racist disenfranchising minorities Oppose unlimited, tax-payer funded abortions up to the moment of delivery = misogynistic war on women The beat goes on......

Posted by: prouvastrightwingconspirator at April 07, 2014 08:49 AM (OJLOy)

54 Breyer has an individual right to go suck a bag of dicks.

Posted by: flounder at April 07, 2014 08:49 AM (Kkt/i)

55

Liberals like their own individual liberty.  Anyone else's?  Not so much.

 

Scratch a liberal, find a totalitarian at heart.  Egomanical totalitarians the lot of them.

 

If you are into praying, please pray for the continued health of the SCOTUS justices.  One more Obama apointee and we are headed down the liberal rabbit hole...

Posted by: MacGruber at April 07, 2014 08:50 AM (sWgE+)

56
Breyer is white. Abrams is white.

Whites are the devil!

Posted by: JayZ at April 07, 2014 08:50 AM (hUf/y)

57 >>>I hope you mean post 2017...<<<

Well, yeah.  We can't have President Ladies Teebox selecting winners like he did on his March Madness brackets.

Posted by: Fritz at April 07, 2014 08:50 AM (UzPAd)

58 And may we suggest the Slicer-roo 2000. Thirty percent more heads chopped per hour than the leading competitor's model.

Posted by: Acme Guillotine Co. at April 07, 2014 12:47 PM (gOoFi)

 

No, thanks.

Posted by: Wile E. Coyote at April 07, 2014 08:50 AM (O66NZ)

59 I know a liberal teenager who was a camp councillor, when camp was over he continued to wear his tee shirt that said "staff" on the back. He seemed to go around and bust everyone's balls and tell them what to do.

Posted by: redenzo at April 07, 2014 08:50 AM (WCnJW)

60 There's a Nascar race on my local news radio station. Don't see that on weekdays very often.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 07, 2014 08:50 AM (ZshNr)

61

Breyer should be impeached, removed from the court, and then disbarred.

 

He is an enemy to the very laws he swore to uphold.

 

 

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 08:51 AM (tVTLU)

62 Tyranny of a majority? Tyranny of a purported majority, perhaps?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2014 08:51 AM (ae4pN)

63 But maybe he is right. The one thing I have noticed about leftists in the past few years is they are done pretending and they say what they really believe. So they must also believe they have now gained permanent power.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 07, 2014 12:42 PM (hUf/y)

 

 

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It's why I keep saying that I believe the fix is in for 2014 and 2016.   I don't see any of them changing their behaviour except to double  down on the leftist screed.

Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2014 08:51 AM (r+vgB)

64 They can't see the extremely heavy cudgel they could be handing their ideological adversaries.

See also: The whole stupid Eich Affair.

Andrew Sullivan, in a rare bit of intelligence, noted that the Eich fiasco was essentially the ghey activists handing the Hobby Lobby guys a free amicus brief.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2014 08:51 AM (B/VB5)

65 This will all end badly.

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at April 07, 2014 08:52 AM (QupBk)

66 Speaking of free speech rights, I exercised mine this morning by calling the head of Mozilla. Her extension number is 200 at Mozilla HQ if anyone would like to do the same.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 07, 2014 08:52 AM (oMKp3)

67 Oooh, look, Ace is gonna whitesplain individual liberty to us. People of Color love being whitesplained to. Ain't no Party like a Whitesplaining Party, Cause a Whitesplaining don't stop. Where you stand depends on where you sit!. And now it looks like a Wise Latina is sitting in power. Get used to it.

Posted by: Wise Latina at April 07, 2014 08:53 AM (ZPrif)

68 It's why I keep saying that I believe the fix is in for 2014 and 2016. I don't see any of them changing their behaviour except to double down on the leftist screed.
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The left controls both political parties right now, and whatever happens in 2014 it appears there will not be a leadership change in either party.

How can the left lose?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2014 08:53 AM (78TbK)

69 Liberals like their own individual liberty. Anyone else's? Not so much.

Rush made the observation last week that the only freedom progs will really go out of their way to defend is the freedom to not be judged about sex.  That's their only real principle.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2014 08:53 AM (B/VB5)

70 One wonder's what their opinion of might makes right will be.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at April 07, 2014 08:53 AM (oDCMR)

71 Being an Alaskan at heart, I have always distrusted government and treated it like a barely necessary evil. Alaskans tend to be Alaskans first and US Citizens second. This is why you hear about Alaskans voting to secede from the union on a fairly regular basis. Breyer is fueling that fire again. Also, Alaskans tend to be heavily armed. Sense a trend?

Posted by: tcn at April 07, 2014 08:54 AM (fwcEs)

72 I'll give up my individual right to free speech when they pry the ampersands from my cold dead hands.

Posted by: Zombi Charlton Heston at April 07, 2014 08:54 AM (Kkt/i)

73 Breyer should be impeached, removed from the court, and then disbarred.
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There has been no push back against our corrupt political class for a long time so the rot has continued to get worse and worse.


Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2014 08:55 AM (78TbK)

74 That's their only real principle. Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2014 12:53 PM (B/VB5) You forgot about abortion, i.e. murder on demand. Once you argue that abortion is good, then the rest of this imbecility follows naturally.

Posted by: tcn at April 07, 2014 08:55 AM (fwcEs)

75 Political tectonic shifts. After the opening rounds of the ObamaCare debacle, the voting majority in this country have focused like a laser beam on the antics in  Capital City,  and they are not amused  So the Dems are going down the list: The Republicans are liars,  the Koch Brothers! ....  Now it's "don't trust your lying eyes!  Trust our collective truth!"

Somebody's acceptance speech at the RNC, 2008:

"when the roar of the crowd fades away ... when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot — what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet? The answer is to make government bigger ... take more of your money ... give you more orders from Washington ... and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world. "

Posted by: mrp at April 07, 2014 08:55 AM (JBggj)

76 Hey, weak and wicked white people, buy my music you maggots! Peace out! 5% bitches. Poor Righteous Teachers, FTW!

Posted by: Jay-Z And His Racist Cult at April 07, 2014 08:55 AM (ZPrif)

77 What the   left     is advocating is neo-feudalism.  Their very model requires the elimination of the middle class:  the bourgeoise, the kulak, or whatever name     they wish to call it.  Marx was clear on this.  What he was less clear on is the fact that the productivity, technological improvement, and income growth of a society comes from the middle class as well, so    the whole endeavor has a limited lifespan, and always devolves into a totalitarian     slave state, frozen in time.   This is why    Pyong Yang looks like 1948 surrounded by the 18th century, and Cuba looks like 1959.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 07, 2014 08:56 AM (eGmvn)

78 Evil never exits the stage, it just changes its costume.

Posted by: Mega, Two Time Winner AoS Commenter of the Holocene Epoch at April 07, 2014 08:56 AM (hHFOx)

79 Rush made the observation last week that the only freedom progs will really go out of their way to defend is the freedom to not be judged about sex. That's their only real principle.
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I disagree. I've seen plenty of liberals complain about "breeders". And it wasn't so long ago that the left was down with gay-baiting.

I think that they are on the "no judgement about sex" bandwagon right now because it is politically useful. If that changes again so will the left's views on it.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2014 08:56 AM (78TbK)

80

If you are into praying, please pray for the continued health of the SCOTUS justices. One more Obama apointee and we are headed down the liberal rabbit hole...

Posted by: MacGruber at April 07, 2014 12:50 PM (sWgE+)

 

In Breyer's case, it couldn't get any worse.  I dont think there's a more pompous smug asshole on the planet.

 

Posted by: extendo-man at April 07, 2014 08:56 AM (qPxLX)

81 CEO, bitches. NBA sports agent to the stars, bitches. White house partying, Democrat fund-raising, half-billion rich, bitches! White people suck! Buy my music!

Posted by: Jay-Z And His Racist Cult at April 07, 2014 08:57 AM (ZPrif)

82 This is why you hear about Alaskans voting to secede from the union on a fairly regular basis. Breyer is fueling that fire again. Hmmmmm......

Posted by: Texas at April 07, 2014 08:57 AM (gOoFi)

83 Rush made the observation last week that the only freedom progs will really go out of their way to defend is the freedom to not be judged about sex. That's their only real principle. Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2014 12:53 PM (B/VB5) To an extent. They'll judge you for having too many kids, or having the "wrong" type of kids (Down, etc.), or saving yourself for marriage with such snide comparisons to test rides and such.

Posted by: AMDG at April 07, 2014 08:58 AM (eFytx)

84 What he was less clear on is the fact that the productivity, technological improvement, and income growth of a society comes from the middle class as well, so the whole endeavor has a limited lifespan, and always devolves into a totalitarian slave state, frozen in time.
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It is better to rule in hell then serve in heaven

Posted by: A famous leftist at April 07, 2014 08:58 AM (78TbK)

85 Freedom of speech is fine so long as you say what we define as appropriate, comrade!


Besides, the uber-party is giving you a choice of  moderate leftists, leftist, and extreme leftist candidates!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 07, 2014 08:58 AM (o3MSL)

86 lulz, On the Weather Channel, they had a story (and I do mean story) on climate scientists' theory on the melting polar ice caps. A new spin, if you will. The polar ice caps are melting because of, get this, extreme wild fires. See how this is all getting so convoluted? The polar caps are melting because of greenhouse gases. The rise in temperature is causing droughts...and subsequently wild fires. Or it's causing floods. And now, we learn that wild fires are, in turn, exacerbating the melting of polar ice caps! #lonepolarbearonicefloe

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2014 08:59 AM (ae4pN)

87 In Breyer's case, it couldn't get any worse. I dont think there's a more pompous smug asshole on the planet.
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Oh, did I mention I would be a better judge then anyone on the Supreme Court too?

If only I had more time to tell them what they get wrong.

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 07, 2014 08:59 AM (78TbK)

88 I'm going to get philosophical here, but I've lately been interested in the meta causes of human behavior, so bear with me. I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that LIV's of all types have trouble comprehending the passage of time. Specifically, they cannot imagine a time when they or those sympathetic to them will not be in power. Statism can be either fascist or socialist, right wing or left-wing. The same institutions that LIV's champion can be easily turned around and used against them, if the right (wrong?) faction came to power. LIV's are living in the present, so the need for a limited government that does not have the power to turn on its citizens is lost on them. I also wonder if this inability to comprehend time is a cause and/or effect of the increasing infantilization of society, as children tend to be very 'in the moment' in their thoughts and actions. Anyway, just my two cents. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at April 07, 2014 08:59 AM (NSh5j)

89 I think a Supreme Court justice who holds these sorts of opinions should be hanged for treason on the White House lawn.  Oh, they can have a trial first, a collective one where the mob gets to decide what happens to them... just like they want the mob to get to decide how much and what sorts of speech will be allowed.

I also think when Supreme Court justices like Breyer go to hell, they are forced to live under the rules they advocated for from the bench.  No other punishment would be harsh enough.

Posted by: Thatch at April 07, 2014 08:59 AM (qYvEa)

90 Breyer should be impeached, removed from the court, and then disbarred. Agreed. What about the other three statist cocksuckers on the Court and then the fourth Barry appoints who will most certainly agree with them?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 07, 2014 08:59 AM (gOoFi)

91 But it was on TV, so it must be true..

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2014 09:00 AM (ae4pN)

92 Rush made the observation last week that the only freedom progs will
really go out of their way to defend is the freedom to not be judged
about sex. That's their only real principle.
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I disagree. I've seen plenty of liberals complain about "breeders".

That's not a denunciation of the sex, that's a denunciation of not "protecting" yourself from then not "choosing" to remove a fetus.

Posted by: HR at April 07, 2014 09:00 AM (ZKzrr)

93 Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 07, 2014 12:56 PM (eGmvn)

Detroit don't be lookin' so good either these days, homie!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 07, 2014 09:00 AM (o3MSL)

94 The First Amendment was clearly put in there to protect stripping and desecrations of Christian emblems. I don't see how you could possibly read it any other way.

Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2014 09:00 AM (4+AaH)

95 And in other First Amendment news, the all-wise Supreme Court has refused to hear the case of the wedding photographers who were fined because they declined to photograph a homosexual "wedding". An endeavor that requires hours of participation in both the ceremony and reception. Story at WZ.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 07, 2014 09:01 AM (oMKp3)

96 God bless the Social Justice crew on the SCoUS. Such glaring examples of idiots rising above their pay-grade. Only an enlightened water-holder would even blurt out such drivel to protect 'collective speech' while sacrificing individual ones, with a straight face, disregarding what the words of the First actually say. More examples of the Negative Rights crowd.... We. Are. Focked......

Posted by: fred zeppelin at April 07, 2014 09:01 AM (zL/eJ)

97 Sounds like Breyer should go live in Pakistan. Maybe he'd find that plane while he was there.

Posted by: McInerny at April 07, 2014 09:02 AM (Aif/5)

98 Rush made the observation last week that the only freedom progs will really go out of their way to defend is the freedom to not be judged about sex. That's their only real principle.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2014 12:53 PM (B/VB5)
===
The Soviets and the Nazis both  formally endorsed the "Free Sex" nostrums.  Heterosexual free sex, of course.  Totalitarians claimed the offspring as their own, young people were diverted from serious political discussions, and the two-person family structure was repressed.

Posted by: mrp at April 07, 2014 09:02 AM (JBggj)

99 Posted by: McInerny Ya know, sometimes it's just best to not say anything. Anything at all.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 07, 2014 09:03 AM (gOoFi)

100 I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that LIV's of all types have trouble comprehending the passage of time. Close. They and the progtards believe the world can be frozen in an eternal now of their choosing--a climate that doesn't change, an order that doesn't change, forever in college with no future consequences. They're really only about change until they get the situation they want, and then it's total ossification.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 07, 2014 09:03 AM (naUcP)

101 Wise Latina Gonna Wise

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 07, 2014 09:04 AM (ZPrif)

102 The Soviets and the Nazis both formally endorsed the "Free Sex" nostrums. Heterosexual free sex, of course. Totalitarians claimed the offspring as their own, young people were diverted from serious political discussions, and the two-person family structure was repressed. Posted by: mrp at April 07, 2014 01:02 PM (JBggj) This needs to be hammered home.

Posted by: tcn at April 07, 2014 09:04 AM (fwcEs)

103 Yeah, the soot from wild fires are floating all the way up to North Pole and landing on the ice caps, providing a coating that magically melts them and prevents further ice from accumulating. Scientists know this because the ice looks 'dirty.'

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2014 09:04 AM (ae4pN)

104 I kept thinking during the podcast (?) Breyer was confusing "free" speech with "equal" speech. Quite a distinction I do believe.

Posted by: golfman60 in NC browsing on Opera at April 07, 2014 09:05 AM (vVOWk)

105 This needs to be hammered home. Are we seriously not doing " phrasing?" Anymore?

Posted by: blaster at April 07, 2014 09:05 AM (4+AaH)

106 There is nothing surprising in Breyer's opinion- it is simply an attempt to intellectually justify the banning of minority political speech, or the speech of those who don't hold the reins of political power. By Breyer's logic, if the majority decided that the 1st Amendment didn't protect speech directed at, let's say, opposing gay marriage, then the collective has decided the issue and opposition by means of speech could be legally suppressed. Every censor in history has hidden behind majorities.

Posted by: Yancey Ward at April 07, 2014 09:05 AM (RGR0F)

107

Ricardo,

 

Should be impeached as well.  No more fucking statists on the court...

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 09:05 AM (tVTLU)

108 Freedom of speech can best be protected by banning opposing opinions.

Posted by: Big Brother at April 07, 2014 09:05 AM (FcR7P)

109 Removing your vocal cords is just one of many "free" surgeries offered under Obamacare, comrade!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 07, 2014 09:05 AM (o3MSL)

110 What about the collective that is the cells of my brain and mouth?

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 07, 2014 09:05 AM (8MjqI)

111 I will not be quiet. Posted by: grammie winger at April 07, 2014 12:35 PM (oMKp3) I love you! {{{{{grammie winger}}}}}

Posted by: Mindy at April 07, 2014 09:05 AM (Ew9Pv)

112 48 The kicker is they don't realize that those ideas are straight out if the mouth of an old dead European guy named Hegel. Their entire "intellectual and cultural apparatus" has not made a single meaningful advance beyond 19th century German philosophy.

Posted by: BS Inc at April 07, 2014 09:06 AM (AstdR)

113 I'm certainly not volunteering myself, and I don't expect anyone else to, but this is an example of where the Left would take an issue and Alinsky the fuck out of it. They'd surround Breyer's house/car with all sorts of protesters and signs, every newspaper's Letters to the Editor page would have to put a cap on how many anti-Breyer letters they could publish per week, his name would be synonymous with "Fascism" within a month.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 07, 2014 09:06 AM (ZshNr)

114 Ya know, sometimes it's just best to not say anything. Anything at all. Not true. Say whatever comes to mind. About anything. Any time you feel like it.

Posted by: Joey Choo Choo at April 07, 2014 09:06 AM (gOoFi)

115 34 States have asked for a Constitutional Amendment for a Balanced Budget... and there is NO talk of that happening... Not even close to 2/3rds yet!

Posted by: Pres'ent of the 57 United States at April 07, 2014 09:06 AM (FcR7P)

116 Oh, and if somehow two (preferably liberal) "Justices" were to go vacant at once? Press to reduce the size of the Court from 9 members to 7.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 07, 2014 09:07 AM (naUcP)

117 Liberal Fascists Gonna Fascist

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 07, 2014 09:07 AM (ZPrif)

118 You forgot about abortion, i.e. murder on demand. Once you argue that abortion is good, then the rest of this imbecility follows naturally.

That doesn't actually contradict "we won't be judged about sex".  After all, you can't be shamed for getting pregnant under inappropriate life circumstances if you get an abortion.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2014 09:07 AM (B/VB5)

119 Global Weirding caused Breyer to say this, just like the drought in Syria. There's never been a years long drought in Syria in recorded history!!!

Posted by: Thomas Friedman at April 07, 2014 09:07 AM (Aif/5)

120 Posted by: Mindy at April 07, 2014 01:05 PM (Ew9Pv) Awe, thanks sweetie. Love you back!

Posted by: grammie winger at April 07, 2014 09:07 AM (oMKp3)

121 Sure, the Supreme Court calls it "free speech", but we all know it just another way for Halliburton to funnel more money to Dick Cheney. Because of oil and global warming.

Posted by: jwest at April 07, 2014 09:07 AM (u2a4R)

122 See what happens when you don't feed me?

Posted by: The Damned Tree...parched like a mofo at April 07, 2014 09:07 AM (eKZp1)

123 34 haven't because a bunch of states retracted. Same thing happened with ERA.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 07, 2014 09:08 AM (ZPrif)

124 Are we seriously not doing " phrasing?" Anymore? Who drilled my box?

Posted by: Cherlene from "Archer" at April 07, 2014 09:08 AM (gOoFi)

125 On the homosexual agenda, Breyer takes an opposite view, that democratic action to regulate sexual behavior AND social recognition and acceptance of sexual behavior has no basis except h8 and is void whenever found.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at April 07, 2014 09:08 AM (5xmd7)

126 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 07, 2014 12:47 PM (mf5HN) :leans back in chair: :looks at bookshelf: Hmmmm....I think there might be something to this. Differing vocabulary, confused emotivist morality. Hmmm...yes, indeed. All joking aside though, the idea you're kicking around needs to be articulated *again.* And now my mind is thinking about how that's relevant to health insurance. And how much other work I need to do. (FWIW, this kicked around the area of my 2nd dissertation topic, but everyone decided it was far to complex, and made a better life project.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 07, 2014 09:09 AM (HDwDg)

127 Given that Roe v Wade and follow on  cases were all about personal privacy.
Now those rights actually spelled out in the Bill of Rights are now "collective"

Posted by: Frank Underwood at April 07, 2014 09:09 AM (e8kgV)

128 Close. They and the progtards believe the world can be frozen in an eternal now of their choosing--a climate that doesn't change, an order that doesn't change, forever in college with no future consequences. They're really only about change until they get the situation they want, and then it's total ossification. Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 07, 2014 01:03 PM (naUcP) Which makes it strange that they're always agitating for change. Have you ever seen that particular piece of bumper sticker wisdom 'Liberals: One revolution away from happiness. Always'? Do they really think that all the momentum from their revolution will just stop once their goals have been accomplished?

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at April 07, 2014 09:09 AM (NSh5j)

129 I'll bet half of forest fires are started by people. I'll also bet that half of the half of fires that are started by people are started by Leftist eco-terrorists.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2014 09:09 AM (ae4pN)

130 Maybe I should have just said "Give me a sammich or give me death." 'Cause y'all aren't so keen on that liberty stuff, are ye?

Posted by: Zombie Patrick Henry at April 07, 2014 09:09 AM (7ObY1)

131 121

Posted by: Mindy at April 07, 2014 09:09 AM (Ew9Pv)

132 WWII was a war fought for oil money, controlled by the neocons! Eisenhower was bought and paid for!! Prove me wrong, wingnuts!! Vote Rand Paul!

Posted by: Paulian Defendor! at April 07, 2014 09:09 AM (ZPrif)

133 On the Weather Channel, they had a story (and I do mean story) on climate scientists' theory on the melting polar ice caps. A new spin, if you will. The polar ice caps are melting because of, get this, extreme wild fires.

Man I'm glad I don't get the Weather Channel any more.  Kudos to DirecTV for telling them exactly where they can stick Al Roker.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2014 09:10 AM (B/VB5)

134 So, when do the 'Impeach John Roberts' signs begin to appear? If there were a bumper sticker, would you put one on your car? Probably not. Thus the slide into totalitarianism.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 07, 2014 09:10 AM (aDwsi)

135 WWII was a war fought for oil money, controlled by the neocons! Eisenhower was bought and paid for!! Prove me wrong, wingnuts!! Sorta....

Posted by: Fake Adolph at April 07, 2014 09:10 AM (gOoFi)

136 I will not be quiet. Posted by: grammie winger at April 07, 2014 12:35 PM (oMKp3) Clearly I've opted for this path. I certainly won't be quiet. I am however totally ignored a lot.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 07, 2014 09:10 AM (HDwDg)

137 Under the current civil rights laws and anti-discrimination laws, the First Amendment is already a collective right.

Any speech, act, religion or association that is deemed--by the masters in black robes--as harmful to the collective, e.g. favored groups, is punishable not just by social opprobrium but by the full force and weight of the law.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 07, 2014 09:11 AM (VjL9S)

138 ..... And now, off to finish my taxes. So I can pay this old nut's salary. Good grief.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 07, 2014 09:11 AM (oMKp3)

139 Hammer. I would. But I would at least wait til January '17 at the earliest.

Posted by: golfman60 in NC browsing on Opera at April 07, 2014 09:11 AM (vVOWk)

140

I will not be quiet.
Posted by: grammie winger at April 07, 2014 12:35 PM (oMKp3)

 

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I won't  either.  They'll have to kill me first, which they probably will.

Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2014 09:11 AM (r+vgB)

141 They and the progtards believe the world can be frozen in an eternal now of their choosing--a climate that doesn't change, an order that doesn't change, forever in college with no future consequences. They're really only about change until they get the situation they want, and then it's total ossification.

The labels "liberal" and "conservative" are pretty much almost inverted from their real meanings because of this.  The progtards are fighting to freeze the New Deal and Great Society in stone, while conservatives are working towards, forgive the phrase, real change.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2014 09:12 AM (B/VB5)

142 What is this "conservative" you speak of?

Posted by: Real Change at April 07, 2014 09:13 AM (gOoFi)

143 Breyer talks like a fag and his shit's all retarded.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2014 09:14 AM (DrWcr)

144

In other news, fuck the United States Supreme Court straight to hell.

 

They fucking let the buttfucking Gestapo fine a wedding photographer $6k, six thousand FUCKING DOLLARS for not fucking wanting to photograph a fucking buttfucking couple getting married.

 

Where is the revolution?  Where is the taking to the streets?  Is this fucking America or is it not?

 

I am about fucking done with this fucking shit.  No justice, no peace.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 09:14 AM (tVTLU)

145 They don't really believe in any of it. They know it's a sham to gain power. Soothsayerism #3: The only people who believe in 'global warming' less than we do are the Left. They know it's a fairy-tale because it was they who invented it.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2014 09:15 AM (ae4pN)

146 Given that Roe v Wade and follow on cases were all about personal privacy.
Now those rights actually spelled out in the Bill of Rights are now "collective"

All that "community resource allocation" stuff in Obamacare...your "right" to abort your sorry-test-is-positive fetus* will become the duty to abort will become mandatory abortion, a la China.  Breyer's just ahead of the zeitgeist.

* Who may or may not have whatever condition that makes him "unworthy of life" in the eyes of proggs, who love them some Death Row inmates.  Spit.

Posted by: HR at April 07, 2014 09:15 AM (ZKzrr)

147 Do they really think that all the momentum from their revolution will just stop once their goals have been accomplished? They do. They really, really do. And they'll expend ever increasing energy and resources try to freeze the result in place and battle any change that isn't to their liking until everything collapses, 'cause Entropy's a bitch like that, and she always gets her way, bro. Always. Magical Thinking.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 07, 2014 09:15 AM (naUcP)

148

"But it was only in the McCutcheon case that he found three other liberals willing to endorse his bizarre theory" 

----

We are but a heartbeat away from a 5-4 'liberal' majority on the courts, with nothing to stop the country from full-bore communism.

Posted by: Beef at April 07, 2014 09:15 AM (XERws)

149 Under the current civil rights laws and anti-discrimination laws, the First Amendment is already a collective right.

Any speech, act, religion or association that is deemed--by the masters in black robes--as harmful to the collective, e.g. favored groups, is punishable not just by social opprobrium but by the full force and weight of the law.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 07, 2014 01:11 PM (VjL9S)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

The civil rights amendments opened the door to political correctness.  They were a mistake and should be re-written or repealed.

 

Not only was our speech abridged by these amendments, but also our  freedom of choice.  It's why I'll never own a rental house.

Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2014 09:16 AM (r+vgB)

150 Come to me.....

Posted by: Barrel at April 07, 2014 09:16 AM (Aif/5)

151 in case no one already asked this, did Breyer actually explain what he means by "collective speech"? Or maybe it's just that people like Breyer feel that they are best qualified to decide what "the People" want, like maybe the People want the 2nd amendment to mean "the right of the states to keep militias."

Posted by: mallfly at April 07, 2014 09:16 AM (bJm7W)

152 Come hither, Beef, come hither...

Posted by: The Barrel at April 07, 2014 09:16 AM (DrWcr)

153 Soothsayerism #3: The only people who believe in 'global warming' less than we do are the Left. They know it's a fairy-tale because it was they who invented it. Likey. Stealey.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 07, 2014 09:17 AM (gOoFi)

154 Funny when you tell leftists that the 2nd Amendment is there to ensure all the other Amendments in the Bill of Rights that they laugh and say that the media would never allow the Feds to trample on our rights. Fucking idiots.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at April 07, 2014 09:17 AM (HxSXm)

155 Who is John Roberts?

Posted by: Average Voter at April 07, 2014 09:18 AM (hHFOx)

156


Now we have 4 Supremes who have rewritten what a RIGHT is....

One more? and the Constitution we thought we had... is done.

 

 

 

Hey, no felonies were committed so no big deal.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at April 07, 2014 09:18 AM (Z7toi)

157 And for those who missed my predictions from last night, I predicted a knighthood for obama, and Corpus Cristi, Texas will be forced to change its name by the courts, in the next 2 years.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2014 09:18 AM (ae4pN)

158 Beef. Only half in the barrel.

Posted by: golfman60 in NC browsing on Opera at April 07, 2014 09:19 AM (vVOWk)

159 Barrel Beef sammiches!! Get 'em while they're lukewarm!!

Posted by: RWC at April 07, 2014 09:19 AM (fWAjv)

160 Why are people who call themselves Jews spouting this kind of crap? They almost got collectivized out of existence on several occasions.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 07, 2014 09:20 AM (8MjqI)

161 Who is John Roberts? Fox News anchor.

Posted by: Average Answer at April 07, 2014 09:20 AM (gOoFi)

162 156Who is John Roberts?

Posted by: Average Voter at April 07, 2014 01:18 PM (hHFOx)

 

 

 

I'll take Blackmailed Supreme Court Justices for $100, Alex.

 

 

 

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at April 07, 2014 09:20 AM (Z7toi)

163 They do. They really, really do. And they'll expend ever increasing energy and resources try to freeze the result in place and battle any change that isn't to their liking until everything collapses, 'cause Entropy's a bitch like that, and she always gets her way, bro. Always. Magical Thinking. Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 07, 2014 01:15 PM (naUcP) I know the phrase 'fuck math!' get thrown around here occasionally as an attempt to explain liberal thinking, but this makes me think there's a large amount of a 'fuck physics' mentality out there as well. To all liberals: good luck with that. Let me know how it turns out.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at April 07, 2014 09:20 AM (NSh5j)

164 It's why I keep saying that I believe the fix is in for 2014 and 2016. I don't see any of them changing their behaviour except to double down on the leftist screed.

Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2014 12:51 PM (r+vgB)

 

We'll know the fix is in if the Democrats manage to hold the Senate this year.  Given Obamacare, the Keystone Pipeline, and all of the other foreign policy and domestic disasters associated with the Democrats, it should be impossible for them to retain control of the Senate. However, if they do keep the Senate--and I'm guessing if it's rigged it would be a near thing for the sake of believability--then they would be defying all odds and all historical precedent.

 

Keep this in mind: there will be enormous pressure coming from the White House to DO SOMETHING to ensure that a Democratic Senate majority is retained since a Republican-majority Senate would cripple President Obama's agenda and threaten his legacy, such as it is.

 

That, to me, will be the big indicator, but it won't be conclusive. For all I know, the Democrats may be willing to give up the Senate in the midterms for appearances' sake, banking on the votes of millions of now-illegal aliens to put Hillary over the top in 2016. But, you say, these newly minted, not-quite-yet citizens but on the pathway to citizenship won't yet have the right to vote.

 

Yeah, right. Keep thinking those happy thoughts.

Posted by: troyriser at April 07, 2014 09:21 AM (O66NZ)

165 The advance of the soviet state here in America really doesn't bother the leftists.

You can't spell "progressive" without "SS."


Posted by: RoyalOil at April 07, 2014 09:21 AM (VjL9S)

166 This is the sentence in Floyd Abram's argument: But giving the government, in the name of advancing democracy, significant power to limit the amount of speech about who to vote for risks much that the First Amendment was adopted to protect. And what, after all, does Justice Breyer mean by “collective speech?” In his opinion, Chief Justice John Roberts persuasively objects to relying on the “generalized conception of the public good” set forth in the Breyer dissent, taking issue with the very notion of “collective speech” as being contrary to “the whole point of the First Amendment” of not permitting the will of the majority to carry the day by preventing speech of which it disapproved.

Posted by: tasker at April 07, 2014 09:22 AM (RJMhd)

167 158 And for those who missed my predictions from last night, I predicted a knighthood for obama, and Corpus Cristi, Texas will be forced to change its name by the courts, in the next 2 years. And Moab, Utah's Negro Bill Canyon? I denounce myself just for having hiked it.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 07, 2014 09:22 AM (7ObY1)

168 They know it's a fairy-tale because it was they who invented it.

Which is why Insty's retort of "I'll believe in global warming when the activists behave like it's a problem" is so good.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2014 09:22 AM (B/VB5)

169 I believe that the Wise Latina's views on collective rights should be respected as an act of love. Love for free speech, love for America, and love for Justice Breyer. As the Beatles once said, love is all you need.

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at April 07, 2014 09:22 AM (8ZskC)

170 "Is this fucking America or is it not?"

If you have to ask that question, then you already know the answer.

Posted by: Jaws at April 07, 2014 09:23 AM (eKZp1)

171

RoyalOil:

 

Please don't be upset that I steal that.

 

We are truly at a breaking point.  No, I will not condone, I will not support, I will pay no fine, I will not work to support gay marriage.

 

And any governmental official that thinks it's wrong can get fucked.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 09:23 AM (tVTLU)

172 And Moab, Utah's Negro Bill Canyon Dude, I took it in the ass over Ni**er Head Ranch. You're damn sure not slipping that one past.

Posted by: Rick Effin' Perry at April 07, 2014 09:24 AM (gOoFi)

173 Soothsayer, a knighthood for Obama wouldn't bother me overmuch because he'd have to become a UK citizen to get it. God knows, Chairman Zero was never a very good US citizen, so I say, let the Brits have him.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at April 07, 2014 09:24 AM (NSh5j)

174

Jaws:

 

Indeed.  We have let the pot boil for way tooo fucking long.  For every action there is a reaction.

 

Let. It. Fucking. Burn.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 09:25 AM (tVTLU)

175 Posted by: El Gobernador

Isn't that a machine on Monday Night Rehabilitation?

Posted by: HR at April 07, 2014 09:25 AM (ZKzrr)

176 I know the phrase 'fuck math!' get thrown around here occasionally as an attempt to explain liberal thinking, but this makes me think there's a large amount of a 'fuck physics' mentality out there as well.

Feminism can be accurately described as "fuck biology!".  Probably at least half of the modern progressive canon is a real live no-kidding war on science, which is why they work so hard to project it on Republicans and conservatives.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2014 09:26 AM (B/VB5)

177 Re: Brit citizenship If we've learned anything in the last decade, it's that rules and traditions matter not. Exceptions and exemptions are now the norm.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2014 09:28 AM (ae4pN)

178 If Hillary wins-- Breyer's "opinions" will not be the dissenting opinions they will be the law of the land.

Posted by: tasker at April 07, 2014 09:28 AM (RJMhd)

179 You can't spell "progressive" without "SS." Or "ogre"

Posted by: Citizen X at April 07, 2014 09:28 AM (7ObY1)

180 If you fuckers expect us to grow a spine and do something about this, well. Too many D.C. cocktail parties to get invited to. You don't want to be "that" guy in this town.

Posted by: GOPe at April 07, 2014 09:28 AM (gOoFi)

181 A conservative on the Constitution:

What the government does should be constrained by the plain meaning of the Constitution.

A liberal on the Constitution:

What I want government to do should not be constrained by a Constitution.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 07, 2014 09:28 AM (dBV5N)

182 Breyer in channeling Frank Burns who once said: "I'm all for individuality. As long as we all do it together."

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 07, 2014 09:28 AM (R5UOB)

183 Hey, I don't know shit from Shinola, except that I do know that this is an awesome AA gig.

Posted by: The Wise Latina at April 07, 2014 09:28 AM (Dwehj)

184 Man I'm glad I don't get the Weather Channel any more. Kudos to DirecTV for telling them exactly where they can stick Al Roker. Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2014 01:10 PM (B/VB5) Talk about a channel that has outlived its usefulness, the Weather Channel is that. They don't realize that most every market now has 2-3-4 local television stations broadcasting some local weather station 24-7. If I want weather, I can get it locally now. If I need weather alerts, my smartphone and computer alert me to weather emergencies. The Weather Channel? They are showing some tv show on Globull Cooling Warming Climate Change on.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at April 07, 2014 09:29 AM (HxSXm)

185 "Or "ogre" " Nice.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 07, 2014 09:29 AM (gOoFi)

186 Watching a report on helicopter-born railguns on FNC.  Fucking  sweet.

Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2014 09:29 AM (r+vgB)

187 In that context, Breyer's position is consistent. The only entity that is deserving of rights is the State. An individual within the State only has such ancillary rights as flow from the State's holding thereof. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 07, 2014 12:47 PM (mf5HN) To take this further, both the fascists and the communists believed that the individual only exists as a component of a group that is in turn an aspect of the state. Thus you were not Joe Blow, you were Joe Blow, a member of the Glorious People's Collective of Sewer Workers. The Collective in turn represented the interests of the state to the people, and not the other way around. This is the ultimate goal of establishing "collective" as opposed to "individual" rights: To make the citizen responsible to the state through the intermediary of the collective.

Posted by: joncelli at April 07, 2014 09:30 AM (RD7QR)

188 This is weird. My afternoon tasks generally involve a couple short drives and a few hours in the workshop, perfect hours for news talk radio in the background. As an experiment I'm keeping this race broadcast on, because I noticed I'm not at all able to settle down like I usually do. Every time I tune it out to concentrate on something, I end up distracted a few minutes later, and I'm not really even a race fan. With talk radio, I can forget it's on for hours on end. It's at the same volume, just the rev of the engines and the excited voices acting on me I guess.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 07, 2014 09:30 AM (ZshNr)

189 You gonna finish that cheeseburger?

Posted by: Al Roker at April 07, 2014 09:30 AM (Dwehj)

190 The Weather Channel does 'weather' just like MTV still does music videos.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2014 09:31 AM (ae4pN)

191 If the court will not hear the NSA case and does not believe that its job is to rule on the constitutionality of the ACA why do they exist? If the Federal government is thumbing its nose at the Constitution and BoRs why should citizens follow the law at all? Why should I tell my kids to obey the law when doing so makes you a sucker--the last one holding the bag after everyone in DC has looted the Country and we are in Civil conflict. Another court, any court could host arbitration between States. Those pompous black robed princes have no purpose other than to bring humor to his Majesty's court...

Posted by: Daybrother at April 07, 2014 09:31 AM (+Dpi9)

192 The Weather Channel does 'weather' just like MTV still does music videos. And, for those of you who do not watch MTV, that means NOT ONE GOD DAMN BIT ANYMORE.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 07, 2014 09:32 AM (gOoFi)

193 We do weather coverage. Every ten minutes you get your Local on the 8's.

Posted by: TWC at April 07, 2014 09:32 AM (Aif/5)

194 If there were a bumper sticker, would you put one on your car? If it were 'Impeach Republican John Roberts', you'd be safe.

Posted by: t-bird at April 07, 2014 09:32 AM (FcR7P)

195 Tofu on the 10's.

Posted by: Al Roker at April 07, 2014 09:33 AM (Dwehj)

196 I'll take Blackmailed Supreme Court Justices for $100, Alex. Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at April 07, 2014 01:20 PM (Z7toi) You think Roberts actually went for a $100? I think he went for much lower like a Tab and a turkey sandwich.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at April 07, 2014 09:33 AM (HxSXm)

197 Still sounds like Whitesplaining. Whitesplaining is when White people try to explain things they don't have a right to explain cause they White.

Posted by: Wise Latina at April 07, 2014 09:33 AM (ZPrif)

198 One more Obama apointee and we are headed down the liberal rabbit hole... Posted by: MacGruber at April 07, 2014 12:50 PM (sWgE+) Any other opportunities for Roberts to make himself famous and we're screwed anyway.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 07, 2014 09:34 AM (BZAd3)

199 You may call me Locutus

Posted by: Justice Breyer at April 07, 2014 09:34 AM (SO2Q8)

200 Gee, can't wait till their ruling on the Hobby Lobby case.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 07, 2014 09:34 AM (udjuE)

201 I get way too much Weather information. My TV, radio and phone both go nuts with Weather Alerts whenever there's a storm within a ten county radius. Some nights I'm listening to college hoops and miss half the game due to 2-minute long automated interruptions about icing in Virginia.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 07, 2014 09:35 AM (ZshNr)

202 Couldn't we all just take a break while Ronan Farrow is on?

Posted by: jwest at April 07, 2014 09:35 AM (u2a4R)

203 Thus you were not Joe Blow, you were Joe Blow, a member of the Glorious People's Collective of Sewer Workers. The Collective in turn represented the interests of the state to the people, and not the other way around. This is the ultimate goal of establishing "collective" as opposed to "individual" rights: To make the citizen responsible to the state through the intermediary of the collective.

Posted by: joncelli at April 07, 2014 01:30 PM (RD7QR)

 

 

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Correct.  And this can be seen  in the standing/no standing concept already up and running in the SCOTUS.

Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2014 09:35 AM (r+vgB)

204 You know who has a good constitution? South Africa.

Posted by: Justice Ginsburg at April 07, 2014 09:35 AM (Aif/5)

205 You have some 'splainin' to do, Lucy.

Posted by: Zombie Ricky Ricardo at April 07, 2014 09:35 AM (Dwehj)

206 Why does the  prog left hate Rockwell's Four Freedoms so much?

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 07, 2014 09:35 AM (BAS5M)

207

Now we have 4 Supremes who have rewritten what a RIGHT is....

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STOP...In the name of Law

Before you break my country

Posted by: Diana ROss at April 07, 2014 09:35 AM (SO2Q8)

208 Totes O/T on Drudge: Sharpton was FBI Mob Rat.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2014 09:36 AM (xorT2)

209 When is a White person not a horrible, evil person guilty for all the worst crimes in history? -- when they are a Wise Latina. Spaniards for the win, bitchez!

Posted by: Wise Latina at April 07, 2014 09:36 AM (ZPrif)

210 Gee, can't wait till their ruling on the Hobby Lobby case.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 07, 2014 01:34 PM (udjuE)


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Neither can we.....

Posted by: Christian who COLLECTIVELY make up 80% of the Population at April 07, 2014 09:36 AM (nELVU)

211 Why does the prog left hate Rockwell's Four Freedoms so much?

Huh?  Freedom from Want *SPIT* they love that shit. 

Posted by: HR at April 07, 2014 09:36 AM (ZKzrr)

212 190 You gonna finish that cheeseburger?

Posted by: Al Roker at April 07, 2014 01:30 PM (Dwehj)

 

Shaddup and go change your pants.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2014 09:37 AM (DrWcr)

213 "When the only Constitutional check left on Federal Power, is the Federal Courts... with Judges appointed by the Federal Government... You have a problem..."

For a while there, Prussia had a system whereby there were special courts whose writ was exclusively to hear cases involving overreach or abuse by government officials.

Those courts went after that job with Prussian levels of detail and discipline. No official regarded a summons from one without discomfort. The operations of government became much cleaner.

Of course, if such a system were to be bruited for use here, there would be the same problem we have with the existing federal courts. To wit, how to keep the government from packing the new oversight-court benches with judges who leniently view the infinite expansion of federal power.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 07, 2014 09:37 AM (noWW6)

214 Sharpton was FBI Mob Rat. I thought snitchin' was frowned upon inside the community?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 07, 2014 09:37 AM (gOoFi)

215 There are no collective rights.

All liberty is individual liberty. 

Whenever the Left makes arguments to the contrary, they aren't even wrong.  They're just talking nonsense. 

Posted by: Phinn at April 07, 2014 09:38 AM (i5GO4)

216 Totes O/T on Drudge: Sharpton was FBI Mob Rat. Posted by: rickb223 you know who become mob rats? criminals the better question is what did they have hanging over his head that was so bad he became a mob rat bet Guiliani knows

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 09:38 AM (zOTsN)

217 Roberts is vote #5 on all the gun rights and first amendment victories we've had in recent years -- but he's just as bad as the worst Obama appointee cause Obamacare!!!!! There are no gradations!!!!!!

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at April 07, 2014 09:38 AM (ZPrif)

218 collective rights are the enemy of individual liberty.

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 09:39 AM (zOTsN)

219 bet Guiliani knows

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 01:38 PM (zOTsN)


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I bet Guiliani made it happen.....

Posted by: fixerupper at April 07, 2014 09:39 AM (nELVU)

220 "You think Roberts actually went for a $100? I think he went for much lower like a Tab and a turkey sandwich."

The price they paid for Roberts was allowing him to keep his illegally adopted kids.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 07, 2014 09:39 AM (noWW6)

221 Sharpton was FBI Mob Rat. - the only words in that sentence that surprise me are "mob' and "FBI".

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 07, 2014 09:39 AM (XUKZU)

222 It's Marcuse all over again. Correct thinking is freedom and "incorrect thinking" is a danger to that. As such, "incorrect thinking," incorrect actions, and even incorrect politics and laws are exempt from any protections of "free speech" or "democracy" because only those "correct" views are valid!

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 07, 2014 09:39 AM (CTCNK)

223 Mob rat = facing 10-20 years, minimum.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 07, 2014 09:39 AM (ZPrif)

224 you know who become mob rats? criminals You know who's life isn't worth a bucket of warm spit? Mob rats.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2014 09:40 AM (xorT2)

225 The day you get Sharkman to agree with both Andrew Sullivan as well as the ACLU, well that's the day you know YOURE DOING IT WRONG. Free speech: Really, how DOES it fucking work?

Posted by: Sharkman at April 07, 2014 09:40 AM (TM1p8)

226

Separate but stupid:

 

He did knock down the commerce clause argument, so he's not AS BAD!!

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 09:40 AM (tVTLU)

227 Ace, I'd love to see you do a take down on Marcuse's essay "Repressive Tolerance." http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/pubs/60spubs/65repressivetolerance.htm

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 07, 2014 09:40 AM (CTCNK)

228 Sharpton must have been caught doing something huge to be on the hook to be a rat for so long. Accessory to murder?

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 09:41 AM (zOTsN)

229 Sharpton was FBI Mob Rat.

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You misspelled "sellout Uncle Fucking Tom, gonna cut his nutz off".

Posted by: The Reverend Jackson at April 07, 2014 09:41 AM (nELVU)

230 This goes hand in hand with Wise Latina's wisdom: https://tinyurl.com/lufh5jh

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 07, 2014 09:42 AM (BZAd3)

231 Sharpton must have been caught doing something huge to be on the hook to be a rat for so long. Accessory to murder? Altruism.......

Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2014 09:42 AM (xorT2)

232 The Ministry Of Truth will soon let us know what is free speech and what must be condemned, I'm sure.

Posted by: MTF at April 07, 2014 09:42 AM (F58x4)

233

Sharpton was FBI Mob Rat.

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Bitch set him up

Posted by: Marion Barry at April 07, 2014 09:43 AM (SO2Q8)

234 crown heights?

Posted by: willow at April 07, 2014 09:43 AM (nqBYe)

235 I have heard of AA "ministers" taking money form families to try and invigorate police investigations in to ghetto gang murders, but that from the bottom up top down? they had something on him. something big

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 09:44 AM (zOTsN)

236
Scuse me??? Who will overcome??? 

Posted by: THE F.B.I. at April 07, 2014 09:44 AM (nELVU)

237 :leans back in chair: :looks at bookshelf: Hmmmm....I think there might be something to this. Differing vocabulary, confused emotivist morality. Hmmm...yes, indeed. All joking aside though, the idea you're kicking around needs to be articulated *again.* And now my mind is thinking about how that's relevant to health insurance. And how much other work I need to do. (FWIW, this kicked around the area of my 2nd dissertation topic, but everyone decided it was far to complex, and made a better life project.) Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 07, 2014 01:09 PM (HDwDg) Wittgenstein ftmfw! This gets into some truly fascinating areas of neurobiology in addition to linguistic theory. If we accept as true the idea that the process of thinking in and of itself alters neural pathways and that it is extremely difficult to alter that pathway once established, then it follows that the Left and the Right quite literally think about matters in fundamentally different ways. This also explains why it is so difficult to change anyone's mind. The brain physically resists doing so. Of course, then you start down the rabbit hole regarding questions of the emotive areas of the brain firing before the rational areas of the brain when making decisions and is there any such thing as a truly rational decision and, technically, this is not Math so I did not get Math on the blog just saying. Not to mention the whole is there a species split developing but lalalalala I'm not staring that war.
Let us focus on the important point. Love and despair, bitches. Love and despair.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 07, 2014 09:44 AM (mf5HN)

238 Sharpton snitching on the people who made him should advance his career nicely I would think. All the best, Al. Luv ya.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 07, 2014 09:45 AM (BZAd3)

239 Snitches get stitches.

Posted by: RWC at April 07, 2014 09:45 AM (fWAjv)

240

Hmmm.......... When was the last time Sharpton visited the Whitehouse?

Posted by: tbodie at April 07, 2014 09:46 AM (Z2OIC)

241 209 Totes O/T on Drudge: Sharpton was FBI Mob Rat. Posted by: rickb223 at April 07, 2014 01:36 PM (xorT2) At least until Jimmy "The Icepick" Garbonzo gets done with him.

Posted by: joncelli at April 07, 2014 09:46 AM (RD7QR)

242 Whoa, did something get disappeared? The list of comments seems shorter...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 07, 2014 09:46 AM (naUcP)

243 If the LCN was what it used to be, Not-So-Sharpton would sleep with the fishes, capische?

Posted by: Citizen X at April 07, 2014 09:46 AM (7ObY1)

244 To make the citizen responsible to the state through the intermediary of the collective.

Posted by: joncelli at April 07, 2014 01:30 PM (RD7QR)


If only Comrade Stalin knew what the state was doing to you!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 07, 2014 09:47 AM (o3MSL)

245

Huh? Freedom from Want *SPIT* they love that shit.

 

 

Not the idea, the picture.  A large, heteronormative family, sitting down together to share an abundant, costly  meal, provided from the efforts of the working adults, at the grandparent's home.  No one in  that picture  is dependent upon the state, rather, upon each  other as a family unit.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 07, 2014 09:47 AM (BAS5M)

246 "Why ya makin' me do this, Puss?" - Tony Soprano

Posted by: Citizen X at April 07, 2014 09:48 AM (7ObY1)

247 Sharpton began cooperating in the mid 80s crown heights was after that the Bensonhurst thing was in the mid 80s still not seeing it maybe it was a union/mob thing

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 09:48 AM (zOTsN)

248 hahahahahaha Eco-Nazi vs TransitTards, Fight! LibertyWars.com ‏@LibertyWars1776 LOL: High speed trains to go slow, to lower carbon emissions | Mail Online http://ow.ly/vuEWc

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 07, 2014 09:48 AM (ZPrif)

249 Whoa, did something get disappeared? The list of comments seems shorter... Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 07, 2014 01:46 PM (naUcP)
Al Sharpton? Hey, is he still seeing his girlfriend who is totes not a pro, not her, nope.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 07, 2014 09:48 AM (mf5HN)

250 maybe it was a union/mob thing Had to be.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 07, 2014 09:49 AM (7ObY1)

251 1987 Tawanna Brawley

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 09:49 AM (zOTsN)

252 Gee, can't wait till their ruling on the Hobby Lobby case. Posted by: Lizzy at April 07, 2014 01:34 PM (udjuE) The photographer whose case the Supreme Court will not take up was basing her appeal that she didn't want to photograph a SSM ceremony (it wasn't marriage, it was a civil ceremony in NM at the time) because she thought it wouldn't end up being as artistic as her artistic creativities warranted. Or something like that. For some unfathomable reason, her lawyers decided that was the best way to get her case against NM in the Supreme Court and they disagreed. Especially since she originally said in her defense in NM she didn't want to photo the SSM because of religious beliefs. So either she was lying originally, or she was lying now. I believe she cooked her own goose and she should now be suing her lawyers. Since I am not a lawyer, I'm sure one on here could maybe explain this failed strategy to me.

Posted by: Jen at April 07, 2014 09:49 AM (IdGqX)

253 Whoa, did something get disappeared? The list of comments seems shorter...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 07, 2014 01:46 PM (naUcP)


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...and Leons getting LAARRRRRRGGGGGEEEEEERRRRR......

Posted by: fixeruper at April 07, 2014 09:49 AM (nELVU)

254 More than ten times, wired while talking to members of the Genovese crime family? Sharpton was inches from death every second of each of those conversations. The FBI must have had life in prison hanging over his head.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 07, 2014 09:49 AM (ZshNr)

255 In 2002, HBO's Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel aired a 19-year-old FBI videotape of an undercover sting operation showing Sharpton with an undercover FBI agent posing as a Latin American businessman and a reputed Colombo crime family captain. During the discussion, the undercover agent offered Sharpton a 10% commission for arranging drug sales. On the videotape, Sharpton mostly nods and allows the FBI agent to do most of the talking. No drug deal was ever consummated, and no charges were brought against Sharpton as a result of the tape.[76] Sharpton said in 1988 that he informed for the government in order stem the flow of crack cocaine into black neighborhoods. He denied informing on civil rights leaders.[77][78][79]

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 09:50 AM (zOTsN)

256 So photographers must take any job now, thanks to the Supreme Court. The Freedom of Speech and Religion are subservient to the Worship of Gay. Great.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 09:50 AM (5M5r7)

257 But snitch, we muchÂ… we mustÂ… and we will muchÂ… aboutÂ… thatÂ… be committed.

Posted by: RWC at April 07, 2014 09:50 AM (fWAjv)

258 Hey, is he still seeing his girlfriend who is totes not a pro, not her, nope. I thought that was his "wife" now. And yes scare quotes. Libtards get All The Scare Quotes. Buncha fakes, you know I'm down with the sharpened stakes for the lot of 'em, but I'll never have my throne of skulls, so there you have it.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 07, 2014 09:50 AM (naUcP)

259

Sharpton said in 1988 that he informed for the government in order stem the flow of crack cocaine into black neighborhoods.

 

How does that work, since it was the CIA that was flooding black neighborhoods with crack in the first place?

Posted by: Insomniac at April 07, 2014 09:51 AM (DrWcr)

260 well it would expalin how he doesn't seem to be castigated for his riots and deaths caused .

Posted by: willow at April 07, 2014 09:51 AM (nqBYe)

261

Jen, interesting facts.  Thanks much!!!!

 

Perhaps we are not as far gone as I'd feared then.  The language of the NM Sup Ct ruling was beyond disturbing though.  Having that decision stand is pure nazism/fascism.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 09:51 AM (tVTLU)

Posted by: fixerupper at April 07, 2014 09:52 AM (nELVU)

263 drugs Sharpton sold drugs TO the AA community so the feds turned him

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 09:52 AM (zOTsN)

264 What is amazing is Abrams somehow being puzzled as to why the left is trying to destroy the First Amendment. Would he have to get hit over the head with a baseball bat to understand that his side doesn't care about free speech?

Posted by: ejo at April 07, 2014 09:53 AM (GXvSO)

265 "drugs " If I had to lay money.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 07, 2014 09:54 AM (gOoFi)

266 Sharpton said in 1988 that he informed for the government in order stem the flow of crack cocaine into black neighborhoods. He denied informing on civil rights leaders.[77][78][79] Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 01:50 PM (zOTsN) Heh heh heh heh, sure Al, you just keep floggin' dat eggsplanation, heh heh heh.

Posted by: Jimmy the Icepick at April 07, 2014 09:54 AM (RD7QR)

267 Perhaps we are not as far gone as I'd feared then. The language of the NM Sup Ct ruling was beyond disturbing though. Having that decision stand is pure nazism/fascism. It's still bad. A person should be able to accept or decline any job. The Supreme Court are a bunch of assholes. People will have their lives ruined because of their refusal to hear the case.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 09:54 AM (5M5r7)

268 17 What's sad is I think a large part of this nation has already moved to Breyer's opinion. Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2014 12:40 PM (r+vgB) Yes and no. The problem, as usual, is that most folks-especially of the leftist persuasion- would agree with Breyer so long as it applies to *other people.* but they disagree quite profusely when it comes to themselves.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at April 07, 2014 09:55 AM (qFpRI)

269 Watching a report on helicopter-born railguns on FNC. Fucking sweet. What? Why would you mount a railgun on a helicopter? They make perfect sense on a nuke-powered navy ship, but a helicopter? Railguns take enormous amounts of energy, which means heavy capacitors. Traditional rocket fuel and gunpowder carry quite a bit of energy in a small amount of space. Also, a railgun applies HUGE pulse energy at the start. You'd have to calibrate that so you don't knock the helicopter out of the sky. It also emits HUGE emag energy on firing. So you have to protect the helicopter's instruments. I love love LOVE railguns, don't get me wrong. I saw a demo where they launched a slug so fast it set the AIR on fire! But I just don't see why you'd put one on a helicopter.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 07, 2014 09:56 AM (qKrH5)

270 Wonder how not-so Sharpton's snitching-adverse base is going to like this? Oh, right. LIVs and all that.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 07, 2014 09:56 AM (7ObY1)

271 A shocking FBI surveillance tape shows the Rev. Al Sharpton discussing a major drug deal with an undercover agent posing as a South American kingpin. The black activist was offered thousands of dollars as a cut for arranging bulk sales of cocaine on the 1983 videotape, which will be shown tonight on HBO's "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel. " "I can get pure coke . . . for about 35,000 a kilo," says Victor Quintana, the FBI agent, as Sharpton nods during the sting operation. "But I gotta get, you know, more than one. " "Right," Sharpton replies. "Ten kilograms is, like, $350,000," Quintana says. "That's a drop in the bucket, you know. We can go bigger. " Sharpton nods. "Every kilogram we bring in is 3,500 to you. How does that sound? " Quintana asks, as Sharpton nods again. "So we bring in 10, you'll make $35,000. "I hear you," Sharpton replies. Sharpton admitted yesterday that he appears on the never-before-seen tape but insisted he was rebuffing a government attempt to set him up. He says he played along with Quintana even when he mentioned cocaine in part because he feared Quintana might be armed. "It's not damaging at all. It's a vindication of what I have been saying for years," said Sharpton, 47. "This is nothing but a government smear campaign. " The grainy tape shows Sharpton plunking himself down in a paneled office facing the FBI agent posing as a cocaine dealer. An unlit cigar stuffed in his mouth, Sharpton sports a cowboy hat over his familiar '80s-vintage bouffant hair-do. The conversation is somewhat cryptic, but the undercover agent offers Sharpton a 10% finder's fee to arrange the sale of several kilos of cocaine. The ultimate buyer is not named. "But that's a drip in the bucket," the phony drug lord continues. "Well, if [the unnamed buyer] can, if he's gonna do it, he'll do it much more than that," Sharpton says. "If he can do it 100 times over, I might be able to supply it 100 times over," Quintana replies. Bolts HBO interview On the HBO show, Sharpton first refuses to watch the video and storms out of the interview with reporter Bernard Goldberg. But he later returns, watches and attacks the video as a setup. The drug deal was never consummated, and no charges were brought against Sharpton as a result of the tape. Law enforcement sources have said the FBI used the tape as leverage to enlist Sharpton as a government informant against fellow black activists and others. In the past, Sharpton has admitted wearing a wire and allowing the government to tap his home phone, but he now denies that he was a snitch. "The question is: Why would the government say that? he was cooperating then so he sold drugs before why is this leaked now?

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 09:56 AM (zOTsN)

272 F hat guy and the horse he rode in on as we say in Texas. The 1st amendment is abut speaking your mind. I don't even want to comment on this anymore with flowery meaningless words and dumbasss bullshit liken then "intellectuals here " Kill them all, let God sort them out!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at April 07, 2014 09:57 AM (6hJhC)

273
Hey Al, shoulda stayed on the white man is the devil rap, its much easier and profitable!

Posted by: JayZ at April 07, 2014 09:57 AM (hUf/y)

274 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 07, 2014 09:57 AM (PYAXX)

275 "Yes and no. The problem, as usual, is that most folks-especially of the leftist persuasion- would agree with Breyer so long as it applies to *other people.* but they disagree quite profusely when it comes to themselves."
Exactamundo. They don't hold any position other than "my side good, your side bad" and whatever it takes to enforce that, they're all for, even if they formerly opposed it. And vice versa.
This isn't about reason or rules or truth for them. Its about power and personal advancement. Its about getting what they want. They're perfectly willing to lie, betray, and be totally hypocritical in that cause. They'll say one thing loud and passionately, then reverse it on a dime without a blush.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 07, 2014 09:57 AM (zfY+H)

276 Yeah, gonna need a link for the helo-rail gun crazy idea. Sounds like a good way to flip a helicopter upside down.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 07, 2014 09:57 AM (ZPrif)

277 like my mama says, show me your friends, I'll tell you who you are

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 09:58 AM (zOTsN)

278 A shocking FBI surveillance tape shows the Rev. Al Sharpton discussing a major drug deal with an undercover agent posing as a South American kingpin. The black activist was offered thousands of dollars as a cut for arranging bulk sales of cocaine on the 1983 videotape, which will be shown tonight on HBO's "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel. - Does anybody else get the feeling there is a non sequitor thing going on here?

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 07, 2014 09:59 AM (XUKZU)

279 he was cooperating then so he sold drugs before why is this leaked now? Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 01:56 PM (zOTsN) Got something on Barack and the White House had the FBI move first? I'm not sure Al likes playing second fiddle in the Nationally Recognized Black Leader game.

Posted by: joncelli at April 07, 2014 09:59 AM (RD7QR)

280 Sounds like a good way to flip a helicopter upside down. Maybe they could turn it into a carnival ride and sell tickets. Though I'll point out that you can't fire the main gun on an A-10 for too long, cause it'll start pushing the plane backwards. So it's not impossible.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 07, 2014 09:59 AM (PYAXX)

281 By Christmas, Sharper Image catalog will have quad copter drones with rail gun capability. Can you imagine the fun all the neighbor kids are gonna have?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 07, 2014 09:59 AM (1qDJ/)

282 Breyer's opinion is ludicrous and, in fact, scary. It quite literally turns the First Amendment on its head. He's saying, in sum, that the majority can restrict a minority's speech because minority speech infringes on the majority's free speech. Of course, the First Amendment is designed precisely to protect minority, unpopular speech because, rather obviously, majorutarian popular ideas are in little danger of being suppressed.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at April 07, 2014 09:59 AM (MSrqi)

283 The Founders would have hanged Breyer and horsewhipped his corpse.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 07, 2014 10:00 AM (Qp0nB)

284 .......which will be shown tonight on HBO's "Real Sports" with Bryant Gumbel.

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Bryant Gumbel???

REAL SPORTS????

What the fuckitty fucking fuck???


Is the Times to goddammed busy on a lane closure on a NJ bridge it couldnt cover THIS?!?!?!


I mean....  REAL SPORTS???? 

**fuck**
**Spit**

Posted by: fixerupper at April 07, 2014 10:00 AM (nELVU)

285 "Why would you mount a railgun on a helicopter?" If it wasn't for all that "equal and opposite reaction" physics crap, this would be a great idea.

Posted by: jwest at April 07, 2014 10:01 AM (u2a4R)

286 Does anybody else get the feeling there is a non sequitor thing going on here? Posted by: WalrusRex at April 07, 2014 01:59 PM (XUKZU) As in, "What the bleeding rat's ass does this have to do with sports"? That kind of non sequitur?

Posted by: joncelli at April 07, 2014 10:01 AM (RD7QR)

287 Meanwhile, Jesse Jackson Jr. is being transferred to the cozy prison he originally wanted to be sent to. He carefully stage-managed the move by stirring up trouble in his original clink. The rest of us stir up trouble in the clink, we lose privileges and get solitary. JJ Jr. gets sent to a better prison. #PrivilegesOfTheOnePercent

Posted by: Citizen X at April 07, 2014 10:01 AM (7ObY1)

288 I think it is time to emphasize that it was the CIA who were introducing cocaine into the black community.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 07, 2014 10:01 AM (XUKZU)

289 HBO and Goldberg had this story in 2002. Whats new is The Smoking Gun has the documentation to prove he was an informer. During the HBO piece, Sharpton denied it, and said, if its true, show me the agreement. Well they just did. 12 years later. Wonder why?

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 10:02 AM (zOTsN)

290 So, have we reached the "Burning Times" yet? If not now, when? If not us, who? - - - - At least we're getting more clarity on the notion that "Electing somebody to FedGov for the purposes of reducing the power of FedGov" does not, can not, will not happen Out Here In The Real World.

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at April 07, 2014 10:02 AM (u5jq0)

291 "Quintana asks, as Sharpton nods again. "So we bring in 10, you'll make $35,000. "I hear you," Sharpton replies. I'm shocked Sharpton's this smart. He didn't implicate himself at all. I heard a recording of Sharpton saying "nautical" the other day. Apparently he hadn't seen the word before and had to sound it out. Even stupid people can be cagey.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 07, 2014 10:03 AM (qKrH5)

292 The left was all for rights and freedom and tolerance and diversity, right up until they became the controlling power. That's the biggest lie of the left: that they are the outside rebels fighting against the Man. They ARE the Man.
And the first rule of the establishment is keep yourself the establishment, at any cost.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 07, 2014 10:03 AM (zfY+H)

293 Perhaps we are not as far gone as I'd feared then. The language of the NM Sup Ct ruling was beyond disturbing though. Having that decision stand is pure nazism/fascism. It's still bad. A person should be able to accept or decline any job. The Supreme Court are a bunch of assholes. People will have their lives ruined because of their refusal to hear the case. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 07, 2014 01:54 PM (5M5r7) This particular case had to do with a lower courts ruling concerning the statutes of the state of NM. My thinking is that if the petitioner could have shown how these statutes are in violation of the US Constitution , then the court would have heard the case. But from what little I've read, it sounds like her appeal request was based on her "right" to artistic decisions vs. NM enforcing non discrimination laws. Since the court doesn't hear the whole case before deciding to take it up, they can only go by whatever is presented in the application to be heard....

Posted by: Jen at April 07, 2014 10:04 AM (IdGqX)

294 "They make perfect sense on a nuke-powered navy ship, but a helicopter? Railguns take enormous amounts of energy, which means heavy capacitors."

Anyone who has seen what truly high capacity capacitors do when they get shorted across the terminals (scary as all get out) will be in no hurry to be in proximity to same inside a warship which may suffer combat damage.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 07, 2014 10:04 AM (noWW6)

295 Hive Mind says, "Mike check!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 07, 2014 10:04 AM (HsTG8)

296 Went to The Smoking Gun. First time I've seen a picture of Sharpton from that far back. I had no idea Sharpton was really Ron Jeremy in blackface.

Posted by: Adam at April 07, 2014 10:05 AM (Aif/5)

297 Focus on ex-wise guy HBO is airing the tape as part of a story about Michael Franzese, a former Mafia captain who once facilitated gambling by pro athletes. Franzese tells HBO he met Sharpton after Quintana approached him in hopes of hooking up with boxing promoter Don King. Sharpton supposedly was planning to arrange a meeting with King to finalize the deal. But neither Franzese nor Sharpton knew Quintana was a government agent probing the boxing business and possible ties between the mob and King. The question of links among King, Sharpton and the mob has been fertile ground for investigations. Several newspaper exposés have dealt with the issue, and a second bombshell video from the same FBI probe showed Sharpton discussing boxing deals with reputed mob soldiers. The Senate investigations subcommittee also focused on King and Sharpton during high-profile 1992 hearings into the dirty fight business. But the Sharpton drug tape didn't surface until HBO recently obtained it. The stakes are high for Sharpton, who has talked about running for President in 2004 from the NY Daily News in 2002. HBO was doing a story on the mob and boxing and Sharpton and his association with Don King came up. Don King. Any conservatives running with ties to Don King?

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 10:05 AM (zOTsN)

298 The fact that 4 justices signed off on this position is troubling. That being said, if that is the best they can do, then I am optimistic. The dissenters offered no persuasion as to why this should be an outer marker for campaign finance. They did not focus their efforts on why this case should be limited. It seem unreasonable for them to peel off Kennedy or Roberts for the inevitable case as to what the individual limit should be.

Posted by: SH at April 07, 2014 10:05 AM (gmeXX)

299 Yes, because ordinarily being inside a warship taking combat damage is no particular cause for alarm.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 07, 2014 10:05 AM (zfY+H)

300 Up next on FNC, an inside look at the Army's Titan Fall mech suits.

Posted by: RWC at April 07, 2014 10:05 AM (fWAjv)

301 If Sharpy McDrugnarc signed on to snitch, you know that he felt he implicated himself earlier.

Posted by: JayZ at April 07, 2014 10:05 AM (hUf/y)

302 296 Hive Mind says, "Mike check!" Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ at April 07, 2014 Uptwinkle!

Posted by: The Real Fascists at April 07, 2014 10:06 AM (RD7QR)

303 Comedian John Pinette dead at 50. The standup comedian was best known as the car-jacking victim in the Seinfeld series finale. His Chinese-buffet atandup routine was a classic. "You scaring my wife. Why you eat sparerib, you already fat. It say All You Can Eat - it don't mean FOREVER!"

Posted by: Citizen X at April 07, 2014 10:07 AM (7ObY1)

304 The thing is, those 4 judges will sign off on ANY position, then lawyer their way into a plausible sounding argument why they did so, provided it supports the latest progressive talking points and causes. They have no integrity or basic, core belief system. They have no honor, they are simply creatures that worship at the altar of the left.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 07, 2014 10:07 AM (zfY+H)

305 225 you know who become mob rats? criminals But they did it out of love!

Posted by: Jebbie, the Web-Footed Bush™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 07, 2014 10:08 AM (HsTG8)

306 Yeah John Pinette, such a funny guy Not surprising to hear he died, given his health but still, sad.
On the other hand: James Garner's birthday!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 07, 2014 10:08 AM (zfY+H)

307 Don King loves the Bushes. Whoever is leaking this is doing us a favor

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 10:09 AM (zOTsN)

308 Buffet over! You go home now! You been here four hour!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 07, 2014 10:09 AM (HsTG8)

309 @ 273 (Me) Oh that was a bad post. I am sitting here in China (land of no extradition). I am sitting here in China, spinning my guns (illegal here but I don't care). Because the government lies about unemployment. You need to have wings to stay above it. Ya'all have a great night. BTW where is the gun thread? If whatever guy you have assigned here can't find time to write that (because they wre Wussie), I could write that with my eyes closed. No charge, except I want AMPERSANDS! And special coffee. I likey the NAm coffee and Yin /Yang////half green tea, half lan shan (blue mountian) coffee. Do we have a deal Ace. It requires a handshake.

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at April 07, 2014 10:10 AM (6hJhC)

310 Nude

Posted by: Al Sharpton at April 07, 2014 10:10 AM (Aif/5)

311 79 Rush made the observation last week that the only freedom progs will really go out of their way to defend is the freedom to not be judged about sex. That's their only real principle. *** I disagree. I've seen plenty of liberals complain about "breeders". And it wasn't so long ago that the left was down with gay-baiting. I think that they are on the "no judgement about sex" bandwagon right now because it is politically useful. If that changes again so will the left's views on it. Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2014 12:56 PM (78TbK) They want controlled breeding programs where their own are given license to reproduce, hence the push for gay marriage, with contracted lower class surrogates, and with unsuitable types having their children taken away before they are sent to reeducation camps or permission to breed denied altogether. Any liberal will tell you "some people are too stupid to breed" and there are too many people on this planet.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 07, 2014 10:10 AM (Y92Nd)

312 The WU spoke openly of camps and cleansing, and that video was repeatedly scrubbed from the Internet.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 07, 2014 10:11 AM (Y92Nd)

313 Snitch we much...

Posted by: Rev. Al at April 07, 2014 10:11 AM (DErq5)

314 His Chinese-buffet standup routine was a classic. I remember him best as a "woobie" in the Punisher movie. If you look at IMDB apparently that role almost killed his career. He doesn't have any more credits for another five years.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 07, 2014 10:12 AM (qKrH5)

315 Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at April 07, 2014 02:10 PM (6hJhC) Gun Thread was on Sunday.

Posted by: RWC at April 07, 2014 10:12 AM (fWAjv)

316 I really liked the Punisher movie :/ But then I liked Ang Lee's Hulk too.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 07, 2014 10:13 AM (zfY+H)

317 Yes and no. The problem, as usual, is that most folks-especially of the leftist persuasion- would agree with Breyer so long as it applies to *other people.* but they disagree quite profusely when it comes to themselves.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at April 07, 2014 01:55 PM (qFpRI)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

That's only because they hold the collective opinion as it agrees  with the  all powerful government.  The government supports their opinion, therefore it must be the right opinion.

 

It's what happens when people look to government to solve their problems.

 

That's the insidiousness  of the "Great Society" or any of FDR's programs.   All malevolent governments will do this.   It relieves the people of any consequences to their actions.  And given the chance,  most everyone will jump at that philosophy.

Posted by: Soona at April 07, 2014 10:14 AM (GedtH)

318 "I think it is time to emphasize that it was the CIA who were introducing cocaine into the black community."

Gary Webb speaks from the grave.

Thing is, leaving aside guys like Webb who proposed that CIA was drugrunning as deliberate Agency policy, to keep the bruthas down, there is a disquieting thing to think about.

Anyone who regards government as an inherently corruptible enterprise staffed by sinful and flawed human beings has to give at least some credence to the idea that over the years, certain Agency officers might have used their official powers to go into side business for themselves, moving narcotics.

CIA have had officers sell the names of deep cover agents for money, knowing that this meant the deaths of the agents. Why would such personalities not get involved in other dirty business?

I talked at one point to a guy who had worked on the spec ops side of things in Southeast Asia back during the Late Unpleasantness.

He said that his CO (Army lifer as was he) was very concerned about the way that the Agency contingent in their joint office maintained amicable ties with Golden Triangle poppy princes. Nothing good could come of it, that CO averred. (The Agency said, you gotta talk to these lowlifes if you want to know what's what.)

Posted by: torquewrench at April 07, 2014 10:14 AM (noWW6)

319 How the he!! can a Supreme Court Justice actually believe that crap! A Clinton appointee&mdash;figures! Should've borked the SOB. He looks like he could be a buggerer of young boys, allegedly. Hey according to the Hairy Reid sliding-scale of proximal troof, I can allege I know a guy who knows a guy that may have seen Breyer do something scandalous. Amirite?!

Posted by: Travis McGee at April 07, 2014 10:14 AM (7jUu5)

320 Sharpton vehemently denies having worked as an FBI informant. He has alleged that claims of government cooperation were attempts by dark forces to stunt his aggressive brand of civil rights advocacy or, perhaps, get him killed. In his most recent book, “The Rejected Stone,” which hit best seller lists following its October 2013 publication, Sharpton claimed to have once been “set up by the government,” whose agents later leaked “false information” that “could have gotten me killed.” He added, “So I have been seriously tested in what I believe over the years.”

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 10:17 AM (zOTsN)

321 to give at least some credence to the idea that over the years, certain Agency officers might have used their official powers to go into side business for themselves, moving narcotics. Would not surprise me at all, in the least.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 07, 2014 10:17 AM (gOoFi)

322

Don't worry guys, when another supreme is up for nomination, the GOPe will be all over that fucking case and put up a fight against the statists.

 

Because elections.  and buttfucking.  you conservative rubes. 

 

Get on the fucking bus or we will crush you.  You know, our "base".  Love Mitchie "give me a dam" mcconnell and the rest of the fucksticks that don't know how to win elections.

 

The fact that "moderates" even fucking talk is laughable, you stupid mother fuckers.  YOU LOSE EVERY FUCKING TIME...

 

GWB lost the popular vote even though he every 10th word out of his mouth was Reagan.  People know if you ain't the real deal. 

Posted by: prescient11 at April 07, 2014 10:17 AM (tVTLU)

323 In an interview Saturday, Sharpton again denied working as a confidential informant, claiming that his prior cooperation with FBI agents was limited to efforts to prompt investigations of drug dealing in minority communities, as well as the swindling of black artists in the recording industry. He also repeatedly denied being “flipped” by federal agents in the course of an undercover operation. When asked specifically about his recording of the Gambino crime family member, Sharpton was noncommittal: “I’m not saying yes, I’m not saying no.”

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 10:18 AM (zOTsN)

324 There are people in positions of power in our government who are involved in the drug trade. And they don't like competition.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 07, 2014 10:18 AM (gOoFi)

325 he flipped because the had him o tape sayin he was a high rolling drug dealer who wanted to promote boxing matches with the mob heh _______ greed run a world in need?

Posted by: thunderb at April 07, 2014 10:21 AM (zOTsN)

326 They can't see the extremely heavy cudgel they could be handing their ideological adversaries.

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If a tree falls in a forest, and the MFM refuses to cover it, does it make a sound?

Posted by: whoever at April 07, 2014 10:25 AM (pjMym)

327 Ref:  alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 07, 2014 12:47 PM (mf5HN) 
"They really like government power, and they really don't like individual liberty.
{...}
Many people have noted that the Left and the Right in America do not appear to be engaging in any kind of dialogue. I would posit that this is because the Left and the Right no longer share the same vocabulary. {etc} "

= = = = =
Thomas Sowell beat you to it: see his book "A Conflict of Visions"

Kevin Baker did an uber-post on the ideas in Sowell's book at his blog The Smallest Minority back in January of 2010:

http://tinyurl.com/yg5oyhh

I really, sincerely, urge ==> EVERYONE <== to read it.   It's EXCELLENT.

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at April 07, 2014 10:28 AM (u5jq0)

328 "Hate speech" was the Trojan horse that, once slipped into our discourse, legitimized the whole concept that individual rights come with a "responsibility" to the collective. This concept has now been institutionalized in the media, in the education system, and now in the every day speech of millenials. Now that the culture has shifted, we are more at the mercy of The Nine than ever --as there is a diminishing pool of social capital in this country with a deep, personal appreciation of individual liberty. And so The Nine operate in purely circular fashion: The Constitution is Important (for some unspecified reason) and means no more and no less than what I Say It Means." Sad to say if you asked the average millenial today "Why is the US Constitution important?" They would either (a) deny that it was, (b) would have no answer for you, or (c) would talk about ways that it enhances the centralized use of governmental power. Due to years of indoctrination, most of the current electorate has no sense of the values that could lead to creation of a document like the Constitution, and can see nothing beyond it that could not be "justified" by sophistry.

Posted by: NYC Parent at April 07, 2014 10:38 AM (HEo6y)

329 I really, sincerely, urge ==> EVERYONE <== to read it. It's EXCELLENT. Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at April 07, 2014 02:28 PM (u5jq0) I will read this, however, it will take some time. Wow, that's a large blog post and deep, not simply a quick read though.

Posted by: Jen at April 07, 2014 10:45 AM (IdGqX)

330 Sad to say if you asked the average millenial today "Why is the US Constitution important?" They would either (a) deny that it was, (b) would have no answer for you, or (c) would talk about ways that it enhances the centralized use of governmental power. Due to years of indoctrination, most of the current electorate has no sense of the values that could lead to creation of a document like the Constitution, and can see nothing beyond it that could not be "justified" by sophistry. Posted by: NYC Parent at April 07, 2014 02:38 PM (HEo6y) And the following details exactly what we are dealing with in the public schools. Indoctirnation? Ha, it's gone so far beyond that and teachers are nothing but automatons, programmed to blindly follow orders. http://tinyurl.com/l9fy329

Posted by: Jen at April 07, 2014 10:49 AM (IdGqX)

331 Well of course we have the right to tell the government what it wants to hear, otherwise that'd just be silly.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 07, 2014 10:55 AM (DL2i+)

332 Since the court doesn't hear the whole case before deciding to take it up, they can only go by whatever is presented in the application to be heard.... Posted by: Jen Thank you. I feel stupid for throwing a fit now but even while I was screaming and crying I sort of knew there was a plausible reason why they could turn it down.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 07, 2014 11:07 AM (hO9jS)

333

Founder of ACLU Roger Nash Balwin.  You want to know his politics, just read his writings.

 

Posted by: henry at April 07, 2014 12:01 PM (1+kJ5)

334 So, Breyer would allow mullahs' sermons in Wahabi-oriented mosques to be regulated? Someone should ask him.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at April 07, 2014 01:51 PM (UYiBe)

335 Eat shit and die Breyer you traitorous fuck

Posted by: TexasJew at April 07, 2014 02:39 PM (olbr4)

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