March 07, 2014
— CDR M
You'd think making a decision on the Keystone XL pipeline would be easy, especially when a new poll says there is overwhelming support for it. In fact, Keystone XL would only swell U.S. pipelines by 0.033 percent.
The first U.S. pipeline to transport oil started carrying crude from Coryville to Williamsport, Penn., in 1879. In the intervening 135 years, the continental USA became interlaced with 2,600,000 miles of these steel tubes. And how many more such miles would KXL add? A grand total of 852. ThatÂ’s an increase of 0.033 percent, or the rough equivalent of delivering an extra faucet to the plumbing department at your local Home Depot. Believe it or not, this microscopic change in AmericaÂ’s pipeline profile fuels this massive controversy.
Funny Animal Videos With Appropriate Music
Sexual Assault
Canadian guilty of sexual assault after piercing condoms. So is it sexual assault when a woman purposely skips taking her birth control pills so she can get pregnant?
In Russia....
Explosive, spectacular car crash. With a very nice soundtrack.
Otter vs Honey Badger
Otter attacks alligator and kills it. Oh yeah, bring on the Otter vs Honey Badger pay per view special.
Vaccine Denial
I know, it is a Mother Jones link but one could apply what the article say to how liberals think in regard to global warming, financial policies, politics, etc. No matter how hard you try, you can't change an anti-vaxxer's mind.
you might think it would be of the utmost importance to try to talk some sense into these people. But there's a problem: According to a major new study in the journal Pediatrics, trying to do so may actually make the problem worse. The paper tested the effectiveness of four separate pro-vaccine messages, three of which were based very closely on how the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) itself talks about vaccines. The results can only be called grim: Not a single one of the messages was successful when it came to increasing parents' professed intent to vaccinate their children. And in several cases the messages actually backfired, either increasing the ill-founded belief that vaccines cause autism or even, in one case, apparently reducing parents' intent to vaccinate.
Of note, the guy that did this study was the one that did one on "conservative" subjects and how they refused to believe a "truth" about George W. Bush and continued to believe the "lie". Did they not think to question liberals too?
Parkour Fails
Orgasm Machine
I'm sure Obamacare will cover this. Scientists build orgasm machine for women.
During the operation, a patient would remain conscious so that a surgeon could correctly pinpoint the right nerves to fit the electrodes in a patientÂ’s spinal cord. Then, a signal generator would be connected which would be most likely implanted under the skin of a patientÂ’s buttocks.Stuart Meloy, a surgeon at Piedmont Anesthesia and Pain Consultants in Winston-Salem, N.C., came up with idea by accident.
“I was placing the electrodes and suddenly the woman started exclaiming emphatically,” he said to Newscientist. “I asked her what was up and she said, ‘You’re going to have to teach my husband to do that’.”
So, um, where exactly was he placing these electrodes?
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Posted by: Nip Sip at March 07, 2014 06:50 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 07, 2014 06:51 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Peaches at March 07, 2014 06:51 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Peaches at March 07, 2014 06:52 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 07, 2014 06:53 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 07, 2014 06:53 PM (XWw96)
Hah! ....Love the "American Presidents In Uniform" collage.
Look at Barky and Bubba.
Heh.
It would be nice to have a veteran in the WH again.
Rick Perry is a veteran.
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 06:54 PM (8quPO)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 06:55 PM (yVg8h)
I'm back. Show of hands
who is drunk
who is pantsless
who has been banned
Posted by: thunderb
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Woulda'
Coulda'
Shoulda'
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 07, 2014 06:55 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 06:55 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: spypeach at March 07, 2014 06:55 PM (10H0T)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Looking for a new nic at March 07, 2014 06:55 PM (dkesm)
Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 06:55 PM (zpgPI)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 07, 2014 06:56 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 06:56 PM (f8cHe)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 07, 2014 06:56 PM (1XVYC)
Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 06:56 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Lauren at March 07, 2014 06:57 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 07, 2014 06:57 PM (HVff2)
Is it called the "credit card"? (Should I have used that on the Women's Day thread instead?)
Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at March 07, 2014 06:57 PM (hn5v5)
Posted by: Null at March 07, 2014 06:57 PM (xjpRj)
Posted by: Thrawn at March 07, 2014 06:57 PM (WlWt+)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 06:57 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 07, 2014 06:57 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 07, 2014 10:56 PM (1XVYC)
i dunno, but if they did it was surely someone elses.
Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 06:57 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Z Ryan at March 07, 2014 06:58 PM (fMK2m)
Posted by: rickl at March 07, 2014 06:58 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 07, 2014 06:58 PM (1XVYC)
The most popular freeze dried foods are Mountain House, and Wise Foods. There somewhat less expensive, and less well known brands.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 07, 2014 06:59 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Thrawn at March 07, 2014 06:59 PM (WlWt+)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 06:59 PM (f8cHe)
Posted by: ALH at March 07, 2014 06:59 PM (zDfhl)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 07:00 PM (HINxj)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 07, 2014 07:00 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 07, 2014 07:00 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 07, 2014 07:00 PM (1XVYC)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 07:00 PM (HINxj)
Posted by: spypeach at March 07, 2014 07:00 PM (10H0T)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 07:01 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: rickl at March 07, 2014 10:58 PM (sdi6R)
I think it originated in Europe.
Posted by: God at March 07, 2014 07:01 PM (lr3d7)
Lamest. 'Ron. Ever.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 07, 2014 07:02 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 07, 2014 07:02 PM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Lauren at March 07, 2014 07:02 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 07, 2014 07:02 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: NCKate at March 07, 2014 07:02 PM (y7PFk)
Posted by: Peaches at March 07, 2014 07:02 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 07, 2014 07:02 PM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Carol at March 07, 2014 07:02 PM (z4WKX)
REI has some 7 gallon water Aquatainers I really like. Easy to rinse/refill every 6 months. They ship free if you order over $50.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 07, 2014 07:03 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at March 07, 2014 07:03 PM (hn5v5)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 07, 2014 07:03 PM (0FSuD)
Don't they already have sybians?
Oh, that's right. International Day of Women. Ok. Sybians all around...
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 07, 2014 07:03 PM (AC0lD)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 07:03 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 07:04 PM (HINxj)
Posted by: Peaches at March 07, 2014 07:04 PM (8lmkt)
It's more than just a metaphor.
Sometimes all you can do is stand back, 'way back, and watch.
Posted by: Ima Believer at March 07, 2014 07:04 PM (gDGAS)
Posted by: thunderb at March 07, 2014 07:05 PM (zOTsN)
I'm looking at some of the freeze dried options and am a bit overwhelmed with all the options.
Obviously I'm going for the best caloric bang for my buck here.
Help a newbie paranoid freak out.
Posted by: Lauren at March 07, 2014 10:57 PM (hFL/3)
Lauren, if you look at Nitro-Pak and BePrepared, and watch for sales, you can stretch the dollars better. Start at FoodStorageAnalyzer.com and get an idea of what you have & maybe what you need. Also depends what you're planning for, freeze dried is very compact and light ... but is completely opposite of the 50-pound pail o' beans.
Posted by: Steck at March 07, 2014 07:05 PM (5i94q)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 07, 2014 07:06 PM (1XVYC)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 11:01 PM (ojnk6)
Spyspeach, she definitely has a good resume, on paper But if it is You and are worried, i would say You have a Great resume and an actual real relationship with history.
i'm hoping it isn't you that are worried.
Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 07:06 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 07, 2014 07:06 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 07:06 PM (f8cHe)
I dread it.
They dread it worse.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 07, 2014 07:06 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 07:06 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 07, 2014 07:06 PM (XWw96)
Posted by: Carol at March 07, 2014 07:06 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 07:06 PM (HINxj)
Posted by: nerd at March 07, 2014 11:05 PM (oMKdP)
No. But it is where the AWESOME kids hang out.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 07, 2014 07:06 PM (lr3d7)
I wonder their grant proposal looked like.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 07, 2014 07:07 PM (J9ECY)
Posted by: Peaches at March 07, 2014 07:07 PM (8lmkt)
here, but a little prayer that peaches does not get into the tequila
tonight would not go amiss. "
Posted by: Peaches
Darlin'... You've Got it!
Might Our Lord be into Alcohol Investigation this beautiful evening, I'd ask Him to look over Southern California for beautiful women. Not in That Manner, Lord. In the Meaning and manner of self-reliance, self-control and preservation of the Distilled Agave.
Our beautiful Peaches wishes for restraint, Lord. And I ask you grant this of her.
May tap-water and aldente noodles find sufficient quarter within our beloved's query. May her hunger be sated by Pink's Hot Dogs and a young man's eager, yet errant finger. ...and the like.
May our Warrior Queen of the Evening find sleep, peace and Your Love.
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 07, 2014 07:07 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Thrawn at March 07, 2014 07:07 PM (WlWt+)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 07, 2014 07:07 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 07, 2014 07:08 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 07:08 PM (GEICT)
I am going to have to go back and look. That first guy with the glasses kept staring at me!! Who is that one?
Harry Truman.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 07, 2014 07:08 PM (lr3d7)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 07:08 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Z Ryan at March 07, 2014 07:08 PM (fMK2m)
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 07, 2014 07:08 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 07, 2014 07:08 PM (J9ECY)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 07:08 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 11:03 PM (GEICT)
It is womens' day You don't necessarily have to be pantless.
Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 07:09 PM (nqBYe)
just when I think I can't love you more . . . mwah, Slap, may you always be healthy and happy and surrounded by love. not just mine.
Posted by: Peaches at March 07, 2014 07:09 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 07:09 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Peaches at March 07, 2014 07:10 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Lauren at March 07, 2014 07:10 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 07:10 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Z Ryan at March 07, 2014 07:10 PM (fMK2m)
from the link KB posted on the last thread. fuck.
Posted by: Peaches at March 07, 2014 07:11 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 07, 2014 07:11 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Carol at March 07, 2014 07:12 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 07, 2014 07:12 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 07, 2014 07:12 PM (XWw96)
Posted by: eman at March 07, 2014 07:12 PM (AO9UG)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 07, 2014 07:12 PM (1XVYC)
...for the ladies.
I can only make it to Cincinnati by 12:30, so get your requests in systematically.
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 07, 2014 07:12 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Lauren at March 07, 2014 07:12 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 07, 2014 07:12 PM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 07, 2014 07:13 PM (aDwsi)
Every flop goes his way.
The turn and the river, too.
It's easy being the Tsar of Russia when a half-ass Marxist douche canoe is President of the United States.
Posted by: eman at March 07, 2014 11:12 PM (AO9UG)
flexibility
Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 07:13 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: HR at March 07, 2014 07:14 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Orgasmatronic Haberdashery at March 07, 2014 07:15 PM (FbMva)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 07, 2014 07:15 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 07:15 PM (GEICT)
pricy (for my budget)
long shelf life
I think these are the processed ingredients that go into your basic boxed side dish you get at the grocery, those dried packets of stuff you mix together and bake.
The basic canned stuff you get at the big grocery go out of date so you have to use them up. Just get the stuff you would get anyway, but more of it.
Posted by: Ima Believer at March 07, 2014 07:15 PM (gDGAS)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 07:15 PM (rN2Uq)
Posted by: HR at March 07, 2014 11:14 PM (hO8IJ)
c'mere, darlin', sit by me, it'll be fabulous!!!
Posted by: Peaches at March 07, 2014 07:15 PM (8lmkt)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10297889@N08/4943096350/
I'm a fucking philanthropist.
Posted by: HR at March 07, 2014 07:16 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Yep at March 07, 2014 07:16 PM (Ojgjr)
Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 07:16 PM (MlLJ8)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 07, 2014 07:16 PM (yDmQD)
Georgia happening simultaneously .
yeah.
Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 07:16 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 07, 2014 07:17 PM (1XVYC)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 07:18 PM (f8cHe)
Posted by: Peaches at March 07, 2014 07:18 PM (8lmkt)
My four year old grandson has bee diagnosed with leukemia. Our son-in-law is suffering from severe depression, so our daughter Anna really needs prayer support.
Thank you
Trudy
Posted by: Trudy at March 07, 2014 07:18 PM (LDjgj)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 07, 2014 07:18 PM (Lqy/e)
One more cup of coffee.
In the meantime, here's this video about a guy who was almost Van Halen's lead singer after Sammy Hagar departed:
http://youtu.be/dxF4WRORQ9s
Not knocking the guy but I can't see him pulling off anything from Women and Children First or Fair Warning.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 07, 2014 07:19 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 07:19 PM (rN2Uq)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 07, 2014 07:19 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: eman at March 07, 2014 07:20 PM (AO9UG)
Posted by: ALH at March 07, 2014 07:20 PM (zDfhl)
Posted by: spypeach at March 07, 2014 07:20 PM (10H0T)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 07:20 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: TexBob at March 07, 2014 07:20 PM (Wimx2)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 07:20 PM (rN2Uq)
Posted by: Peaches at March 07, 2014 07:20 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 07:20 PM (MtC8f)
Thank you
Trudy
Posted by: Trudy at March 07, 2014 11:18 PM (LDjgj)om my goodness, so sorry for the crisis in your family!
4? sheesh awful. prayers and .. sorry so sorry . find good docs right away !
Posted by: willow at March 07, 2014 07:21 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 07, 2014 07:21 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 07:21 PM (f8cHe)
Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 07:21 PM (GSIDW)
Never trust a women who says she's on the pill.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 07, 2014 07:21 PM (WdbF7)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 07:21 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: Reggie at March 07, 2014 07:21 PM (yDmQD)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 07:21 PM (ojnk6)
Thank you
Trudy
Posted by: Trudy at March 07, 2014 11:18 PM (LDjgj)
You got it, Trudy. Anna and her son and her husband are on the prayer list. God bless them all, and you too.
Posted by: Peaches at March 07, 2014 07:22 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 07, 2014 07:22 PM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 07, 2014 07:22 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 07:23 PM (GEICT)
126 Putin can not believe his luck.
Every flop goes his way.
The turn and the river, too.
It's easy being the Tsar of Russia when a half-ass Marxist douche canoe is President of the United States.
Posted by: eman at March 07, 2014 11:12 PM (AO9UG)
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Yeah...and I'm not too sure that it was just "luck".
There was a story a while back, about a guy who'd been doing business in Russia, back in the 90's...
He was told, by some people who were still pining for the good ole days of Communism...that they had "a young black man in America who will someday be your President. A man who thinks their way, who was raised to love communism."
So...who knows.
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 07:23 PM (8quPO)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 07, 2014 11:22 PM (HVff2)
you, too, buddy. God bless.
Posted by: Peaches at March 07, 2014 07:23 PM (8lmkt)
Posted by: Lauren at March 07, 2014 07:24 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 07, 2014 07:24 PM (m0h0I)
We have been at the hospital with our daughter, and was impressed by the care that Sammy is getting.
Trudy
Posted by: Trudy at March 07, 2014 07:24 PM (LDjgj)
got my freeze-dried efood stuff from Wise.
Comes in a water-proof container, sorta like where you would store ammo. Has about 30 days worth; and my bro gave me some MREs.
SHTF.com has some suggestions also.
Posted by: NCwoof at March 07, 2014 07:24 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: HR at March 07, 2014 07:25 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 07:25 PM (f8cHe)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 07, 2014 07:26 PM (XWw96)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 07:27 PM (f8cHe)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Looking for a new nic at March 07, 2014 07:27 PM (dkesm)
Posted by: eman at March 07, 2014 07:27 PM (AO9UG)
They are fine for actual mountain climbing, or "technical" backpacking, where you go for superlight everything and break the handles off plastic spoons to save weight. Long distance self-contained bicycle trips, ditto. After a week of reconstituted freeze-drieds, there will be a pronounced effect on the digestion.
For a 3-day backpack trip, you'll likely be making camp with actual cooking facilities of some kind, and want real food. If you're planning to shelter in place after a civil event, or base-camp out of a vehicle, you will be better served by canned food and conventional dried staples. I enjoy keeping dehydrator-dried fruits in sealed bags with the emergency foods, but that's more a taste thing.
I think you're all the way into Crazy Survivalist 201 before you begin making the critical choices of Stay or Go. They do not require the same equipment.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 07, 2014 07:27 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: garrett at March 07, 2014 07:28 PM (b7o8U)
Posted by: whoever at March 07, 2014 07:29 PM (pjMym)
Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at March 07, 2014 07:29 PM (dfYL9)
That's not to say anything bad about Cherone in particular -- I still like to listen to Extreme's III Sides to Every Story every now and then.
But with Van Halen? Nuh-uh.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 07, 2014 07:29 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: NCwoof at March 07, 2014 07:29 PM (aUQgu)
Looks like a 3.2 2km ESE of Marina del Rey.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 07:29 PM (T1005)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 07:30 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 07:30 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 07:30 PM (f8cHe)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at March 07, 2014 07:31 PM (HxSXm)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 07:31 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at March 07, 2014 07:31 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 07, 2014 07:31 PM (b0PfQ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 07, 2014 07:33 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 07:33 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 07, 2014 07:33 PM (XWw96)
Posted by: Reggie Love at March 07, 2014 07:33 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at March 07, 2014 07:33 PM (hn5v5)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 07:33 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 07:34 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 07, 2014 07:34 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: garrett at March 07, 2014 07:35 PM (b7o8U)
Thank you all. I'm off to bed now, as we are going back to the hospital tomorrow.
Trudy
Posted by: Trudy at March 07, 2014 07:36 PM (LDjgj)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 07:36 PM (f8cHe)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 07:36 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 07:37 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: Carol at March 07, 2014 07:37 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 07:37 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 07, 2014 07:38 PM (1XVYC)
I have Linksys & think IÂ’m going to buy Cisco replacement. IT woman at work suggested Apple for $200 but I donÂ’t have huge network. ItÂ’s been fast enough up until about December. I have had issues since then.
I keep getting disconnected when I refresh page on my Mac.
Posted by: Carol at March 07, 2014 11:37 PM (z4WKX) Hide posts from (z4WKX)
I've got an EA4500, and I'd try something different if I were replacing it today. It looks good on paper, but to configure it, they make you use their cloud configurator instead of anything in RAM or local software.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 07:39 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Z Ryan at March 07, 2014 07:39 PM (fMK2m)
My four year old grandson has been diagnosed with leukemia. Our son-in-law is suffering from severe depression, so our daughter Anna really needs prayer support.
Thank you"
Trudy
Posted by: Trudy
Hiya, Trudy and welcome[/].
May Our Lord assuage you of your fears. May He allow Anna comfort and rest via her Husband's Heavenly calm. Might I pray for his individual buoyancy of Soul.
May God see, through His infinite wisdom, His way to that man's Soul. He is the holder of the key and Our Lord can offer him the kindest of shoulders to lean upon.
Should your Son-in-Law need something more than God's Love and our prayers, may he find comfort in All the Beauty around him. May his friends and family find him before he can reach "his bottom".
May the Prayers of these fine people reach you. May they find your Son-in-Law well and in good spirit.
I'll pray for him tonight, as I'll pray for you.
God loves us all. His Love of The Innocent is Strong. That little boy reserves a special place in our hearts tonight. Trudy- May our prayers be answered and may that small child find strength beyond strength. His fight is ours, now.
Our tears, our prayers, our wishes are with you and those you love.
-Thank You
*amen*
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 07, 2014 07:39 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 07, 2014 07:39 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: angel with a sword at March 07, 2014 07:40 PM (hpgw1)
I've posted plenty, do a search. Too tired to take pics, just got home from Gushie's. We had a slumber party. Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 07, 2014 11:38 PM (1XVYC) Hide posts from (1XVYC)
If you had a slumber party, what are you doing home at 8:38? Was this the siesta version?
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 07:40 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 07, 2014 07:41 PM (XWw96)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 07:41 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 07, 2014 07:41 PM (XO6WW)
Posted by: Z Ryan at March 07, 2014 07:42 PM (fMK2m)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 07:42 PM (f8cHe)
Posted by: Barack at March 07, 2014 07:42 PM (oMKdP)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 07, 2014 07:43 PM (XWw96)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 07, 2014 07:43 PM (JMmQ9)
I haven't ever heard anyone rave about the taste/quality of freeze-dried food.
It's really expensive too...so it's something that I haven't gotten into yet.
I keep a pretty good supply of canned goods and dry rice/beans/pasta, on hand...but rotating them out and keeping up with the expiration dates is a chore.
One thing I bought a few years ago, I am kinda happy about...is a stovetop distiller for water.
It was only $50.00 plus shipping.
You can use it on a grill, or a camp fire, too.
I figure that water quality will be a huge problem if the SHTF...and with a distiller, you can get rid of any of the pollutants.
Nothing survives the steam.
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 07:44 PM (8quPO)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 07:44 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: Thrawn at March 07, 2014 07:44 PM (WlWt+)
Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at March 07, 2014 07:45 PM (dfYL9)
@ 210 [Insomniac] -- Yeah, that had some great songs on it, and pretty much put them on the map. But, for some reason, I've always enjoyed listening to their follow-up more.
@ 217 [BC] -- Dear God. I remember seeing it back then, but its true awfulness is only now fully sinking in. That's got to be Eddie's analog to Billy Squier's "Rock Me Tonight".
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 07, 2014 07:45 PM (m0h0I)
The only land he ever owned was in Iowa. It's out in the middle of nowhere, Tama County, and there's an historical marker there.
OK. I'm starting to sober up, and my alma mater sucks at basketball but we have the best non-PC mascot evah (Crusaders) so it's all good.
Posted by: HR at March 07, 2014 07:45 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Z Ryan
You're smurfing around, I just know it. Don't smurf with a smurfer.
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 07, 2014 07:45 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 07:45 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 07:45 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Z Ryan at March 07, 2014 07:46 PM (fMK2m)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at March 07, 2014 07:46 PM (HxSXm)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 07:46 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Naes1984 at March 07, 2014 07:47 PM (LiHKo)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 07, 2014 07:47 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 07:47 PM (8quPO)
Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 07:48 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 07:48 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 07, 2014 07:48 PM (1XVYC)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 07:48 PM (f8cHe)
Posted by: Carol at March 07, 2014 07:48 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 07:49 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 07, 2014 07:50 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 07:51 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 07, 2014 07:51 PM (1XVYC)
261...LifeStraws
I hate to tell you this, BC...but LifeStraws don't take out everything.
They'll take out the large organic particles, but the chemical stuff?
No, not really.
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 07:51 PM (8quPO)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 07:52 PM (MtC8f)
If you own a house, you don't have an excuse for not having 100 gallons of safe water stored, and bleach to clean more. If you check around, 30 and 50 gallon food-grade containers are available free. Don't buy them from a catalogue.
Everyone should have a day bag, whether you think of it as your bug-out bag or not, just to save time when you suddenly get a chance to go walking, or boating, or, you know, zombie hunting. And in that bag should be some local detail maps, a compass, sunglasses and sunscreen, a day's worth of compact food, a water bottle, a head covering, a first aid kit, a firestarter kit, a knife and matches, rope ("cordage," can be parachute cord) and visquene (a large plastic poncho, mylar sleeping bag, or other tenting material).
And you remember those items by telling yourself that Mom's Cafe Serves Extra Helpings of French Fries, Mustard, and Ketchup. And Rotten Vegetables.
Those things can easily fit (with practice) into a Euromilsurp "bread bag," usually about 6" x 6" x 9". They have an attached shoulder strap. Used to go for $5.
There, now you think I am a kook, but if you actually take that bag with you whenever you go adventuring, I have just saved your life.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 07, 2014 07:52 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Carol at March 07, 2014 07:52 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 07, 2014 07:53 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Z Ryan at March 07, 2014 07:54 PM (fMK2m)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 07:54 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 07, 2014 07:55 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: thunderb at March 07, 2014 07:55 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 07:56 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 07:56 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 07, 2014 07:56 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 07, 2014 07:57 PM (1XVYC)
Posted by: JoeyBagels at March 07, 2014 07:57 PM (Usdw3)
Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 07:57 PM (Gi+S8)
285...Is the horde becoming preppers?
I'd like to survive long enough to see open season on liberal journalists.
Then I could die happy.
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 07:58 PM (8quPO)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 07:59 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 07, 2014 07:59 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Z Ryan at March 07, 2014 07:59 PM (fMK2m)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 08:00 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 07, 2014 08:00 PM (yDmQD)
Most MH370 pax are Chinese. There are 4 Americans.
Posted by: NCwoof at March 07, 2014 08:01 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 08:01 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:01 PM (KWIwL)
Are you talking about insulin?
Posted by: GMB (et al) at March 07, 2014 08:01 PM (nkPV9)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 08:01 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 07, 2014 08:02 PM (1XVYC)
Posted by: JoeyBagels at March 07, 2014 08:02 PM (Usdw3)
Posted by: Lauren at March 07, 2014 08:02 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:03 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 07, 2014 08:04 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 07, 2014 08:04 PM (1XVYC)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 08:04 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: thunderb at March 07, 2014 08:05 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 08:05 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: Lauren at March 07, 2014 08:06 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 08:06 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: NCwoof at March 07, 2014 08:06 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 08:06 PM (btzNL)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:07 PM (KWIwL)
Ironically, she died youngish, and as the details worked out, secretly stiffed her brother on the family inheritance. But, greater good of mankind and all that...
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 07, 2014 08:08 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 07, 2014 08:08 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at March 07, 2014 08:08 PM (HxSXm)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 07, 2014 08:08 PM (yDmQD)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:08 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 08:08 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 08:08 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 08:09 PM (f8cHe)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 08:09 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 07, 2014 08:09 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Naes1984 at March 07, 2014 08:09 PM (LiHKo)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Looking for a new nic at March 07, 2014 08:10 PM (dkesm)
Posted by: NCwoof
If you have gutters, catch it. If you don't use a tarp and a "funneling" deal into a barrel. If all else fails? Lots O' Buckets.
Material:
#1. Big Barrel
#2. Tarp.
#3. Buckets. Lots O' Buckets.
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 07, 2014 08:10 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Carol at March 07, 2014 08:10 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 08:10 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:10 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 07, 2014 08:10 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: thunderb at March 07, 2014 08:11 PM (zOTsN)
That's tough. If there's no power and no frig,
there are these space agey ice packs activated when you apply a certain pressure point on them. That would provide cooling for a period of time. Docs/dentists have them. Small temp solution maybe
Posted by: NCwoof at March 07, 2014 08:12 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 08:12 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: JoeyBagels at March 07, 2014 08:12 PM (Usdw3)
322 Not a prepper, but wish there was an cheap and easy way to catch rainwater -- without a lot of intensive labor/material. Ideas welcome. Brain fade.
Posted by: NCwoof
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A lot of cities here in OK are doing a rain barrel program.
They are recommending these guys, for the rain barrels:
http://www.upcycle-products.com/
They ship all over.
The barrels are heavy plastic, have a screen cover to keep out debris...and have a spigot at the bottom with a threaded opening, for connecting a hose.
Costs around $60 for a good sized one.
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 08:13 PM (8quPO)
Posted by: HR at March 07, 2014 08:13 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 08:14 PM (GSIDW)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 08:14 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:14 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 07, 2014 08:14 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 08:14 PM (MtC8f)
I am confident that if I watch my carb intake and get enough exercise I could quit taking any insulin altogether. I have done a week so far with no increase in blood sugar.
Just watching my diet and plenty of exercise.
Is this an option for you?
Posted by: GMB (et al) at March 07, 2014 08:14 PM (nkPV9)
Posted by: Carol at March 07, 2014 08:14 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 07, 2014 08:15 PM (yDmQD)
Posted by: Z Ryan at March 07, 2014 08:15 PM (fMK2m)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 08:15 PM (GEICT)
...unless you have a "bad bucket"; made of lead or a barrel contaminated with chemicals.
In that case? You'll need to filter it through cloth, fibers, charcoal and sand. In that order, I think?
Change cloth and fibers, because you don't want algae to grow.
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 07, 2014 08:15 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 07, 2014 08:16 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 08:16 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:16 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 08:16 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 08:16 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: GMB (et al) at March 07, 2014 08:17 PM (nkPV9)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 08:17 PM (GEICT)
I'm guessing they were welding gas.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 08:18 PM (T1005)
As you know, Bic type lighters are unreliable with changes in altitude and outside pressure, so I always endorsed the Zippo, for several reasons. The famous naptha downside, of course, is that overfilling or sudden pressure change causes a chemical burn in the groin. So, you cover that in your discussion.
But not too long ago I spent several weeks at altitude in a pleasant summer, and found the evaporation rate from a trad Zippo to be double what I'm used to. So, what I do is, throw in a giveaway Bic in every damn firekit you've got. For a planned trip also take a Zippo and a small squirty can of Ronson fuel. And sealed up way down deep, "folded in waxed silk" as the old manuals said, still have some of those shellacked lifeboat matches. Yeah, I also wear a belt and suspenders.
You see "firestarter" and "matches" separate on that list because abut everyone is convinced you want a main and a spare source of ignition. I've also messed around with the magnesium-backed flint and steel, and carbide pellets. You?
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 07, 2014 08:19 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:19 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 08:19 PM (ojnk6)
321...Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 08, 2014 12:06 AM (GEICT)
BC...have you thought about a Solar Refrigerator?
And most doctors these days, will write you some extra scrips for prepping...so you could stock up and them rotate them out as you need to use them.
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 08:19 PM (8quPO)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 08:20 PM (MtC8f)
Rats BC, I feel for you. My store of knowledge only has what works for me.
Posted by: GMB (et al) at March 07, 2014 08:20 PM (nkPV9)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 07, 2014 08:20 PM (l3vZN)
I want to get as far away from large populations as I can, as quickly as I can. I can't make a stand in a cracker-box subdivision. What am I going to do, barricade myself in the basement with my 100 gallons of water, while the FSA comes for me? What happens when they start to rip up the floor?
Unless you fortify a neighborhood with other like minded people, staying in a populated area in a heavily gun-controlled zone is insane, to my thinking.
I think I like our odds better if I get 40-50 miles away within 48 hours. I may not have a year worth of freeze dried food, but I wouldn't have it if we stayed put, and we likely wouldn't be alive, either.
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 08:21 PM (hjKMO)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 08:21 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 08:21 PM (GEICT)
In Jerry Pournell's work of fiction "Lucifer's Hammer" (I think) was the barest mention of making insulin from sheep pancreas.
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/41/4/605
If you can follow a cookbook recipe, I would think you could do this. Just from the excerpt you need chemical reagents, and they will be equally difficult to get. (tools to make the tools, to make the tools you need to make the thing you want)
My mother was Type I, and 'brittle'.
Posted by: Ima Believer at March 07, 2014 08:22 PM (gDGAS)
http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?auctionId=7325794
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 07, 2014 08:22 PM (J9ECY)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 08:22 PM (f8cHe)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Looking for a new nic at March 07, 2014 08:22 PM (dkesm)
Posted by: spypeach at March 07, 2014 08:22 PM (10H0T)
If you have a store of insulin, seal it in a watertight, but not insulated container, and submerge it in a creek.
Even in summer heat, most rapidly flowing creeks that are fed by shale springs are quite cold.
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 08:22 PM (hjKMO)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 08:23 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:23 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: mindful webworker the idiot at March 07, 2014 08:24 PM (rMZgH)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 08:24 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 08:24 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 08:25 PM (yVg8h)
Love him. Glasses, no glasses, armed, not armed. He's got it all. Executive, military experience and not bad at the range. Love me some Perry!
TMI?
Posted by: NCwoof at March 07, 2014 08:25 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: Carol at March 07, 2014 08:25 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 11:39 PM (T1005)
Cthulhu,
Is that a Cisco Router? I was going to look online tomorrow. Posted by: Carol at March 08, 2014 12:14 AM (z4WKX) Hide posts from (z4WKX)
It's Cisco/Linksys.
You might try ASUS -- I've been using them for the computer side and they seem pretty good.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 08:26 PM (T1005)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:26 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Thrawn at March 07, 2014 08:26 PM (WlWt+)
Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 08:27 PM (GSIDW)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Looking for a new nic at March 07, 2014 08:27 PM (dkesm)
Because everybody has a creek.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 07, 2014 08:27 PM (HFap2)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 07, 2014 08:27 PM (yDmQD)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 07, 2014 08:28 PM (FMbng)
392...Love me some Perry!
Me too, NCwoof.
It would be nice to have a veteran in the White House again.
And a President Perry would remove the shackles and let this country bloom again.
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 08:28 PM (8quPO)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 08:28 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 08:28 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 08:29 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 08:29 PM (GEICT)
Just to understand, since I haven't yet fought this battle.....how is the expiration date defined? From its formulation? In other words, layman terms, is it like going to the store and buying "fresh" tomatoes?
Posted by: NCwoof at March 07, 2014 08:29 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 08:29 PM (MtC8f)
Majority of the urban centers will be gone within a week.
I would hunker down until that 48 hours passes.
Posted by: RWC at March 08, 2014 12:24 AM (MtC8f)
Cookie cutter subdivisions will rapidly become the harvest zone for the urban center refugees. I don't think there's any amount of firearms that will stop about a million hungry people from raiding subdivision after subdivision, and they aren't going to leave a family of 4 alone with their stuff.
I don't think I can bet on being overlooked, and I don't want to bet the lives of two young and pretty girls on it, either. Daddies have to protect their daughters.
If that scenario happens, I want my girls out of here. I am pretty damn sure I can get them out of here quickly if I need to, especially on foot. That's one of the benefits of growing up rural. I don't need any of the crap that most people here need.
The key, as always, is recognizing when to flip that switch, and making sure it is early enough that leaving becomes impossible.
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 08:30 PM (hjKMO)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 08:30 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 08:30 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 08, 2014 12:27 AM (HFap2)
Check a topo map. You'd be surprised where you can find them.
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 08:31 PM (hjKMO)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 08:31 PM (f8cHe)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 08:32 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:32 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: spypeach at March 07, 2014 08:32 PM (10H0T)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 08:32 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 08:32 PM (ZPrif)
Hang around the family. Throw what you've got. I'm just a guy with a lot of mitts.
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 07, 2014 08:32 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 07, 2014 08:33 PM (Y/M/K)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Looking for a new nic at March 07, 2014 08:33 PM (dkesm)
Where there is life, there is hope.
Posted by: GMB (et al) was a prepper before the word was even coined. at March 07, 2014 08:33 PM (nkPV9)
Also helps to have a main escape vehicle that looks shabby and 4x4 but can haul what is needed.
And don't try to tote the 70in LCD 3D TV with you.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 07, 2014 08:33 PM (J9ECY)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:33 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 08:34 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 08:34 PM (f8cHe)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Looking for a new nic at March 07, 2014 08:35 PM (dkesm)
Absolutely. My goal this year is to stay slightly more sober and spend more time talking to a variety of Rons and Ettes.
Last year I got pretty hammered and parked my ass on a stool at a table.Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 08:35 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 07, 2014 08:35 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Lauren at March 07, 2014 08:35 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: thunderb at March 07, 2014 08:35 PM (zOTsN)
Think of as you'd think of eggs.
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 07, 2014 08:36 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 08:36 PM (f8cHe)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:36 PM (KWIwL)
Flatbush Joe...I would add Asthma meds to that list.
People with severe asthma would be in a world of hurt too, without their albuterol, etc.
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 08:36 PM (8quPO)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 07, 2014 08:36 PM (J9ECY)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:37 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Looking for a new nic at March 07, 2014 08:37 PM (dkesm)
Posted by: thunderb at March 07, 2014 08:37 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 08:37 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 07, 2014 08:38 PM (J9ECY)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 08:38 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Looking for a new nic at March 07, 2014 08:38 PM (dkesm)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 08:39 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 07, 2014 08:39 PM (b0PfQ)
Remember the people, including NOPD, who were looting the Wal-Mart before Katrina. Yeah be like that except 100x worse.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 07, 2014 08:39 PM (J9ECY)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 08:39 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Blacksheep at March 07, 2014 08:39 PM (bS6uW)
If an eavestrough installer just looks at your house, he's going to lay out the fall pattern to get the water safely away from the house. If you're planning to hold that water instead, you may want to redesign which way it flows before dropping. Depending on the kind of eaves you have, that can be tricky.
The most important thing for firestarting is the stage right after the match. All wood will burn eventually, but especially when it's been wet (and your need for fire is most likely to be desperate), dry-looking kindling will just break your heart. I save the little cotton balls that come in the top of commercial medicines, dab them heavily in otherwise useless petroleum jelly, and seal them tight in a cheap plastic snap-closure bag. Then, in another small bag, I put a handful of dryer lint and wood shavings. Even in a driving rain, that stuff takes off like a torch. But you have to have your kindling and small wood ready--lots of it.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 07, 2014 08:40 PM (xq1UY)
I think it would be more like tribes acquiring turf and defending it, then sending expeditions out for supplies.
Posted by: model_1066 at March 08, 2014 12:32 AM (KWIwL)
Some will, definitely. Gangs first, for sure. Maybe some large families, or close-knit neighbors.
Most people think Facebook is being social, though. I think there is going to be a large group of predators in a very prey-rich environment. Not sure that hoping not to be first and that the predator gets a full belly is our best option. This city is basically set up like a supermarket for marauding.
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 08:40 PM (hjKMO)
Posted by: model_1066
Yup. Pasteurized, sterilized eggs. Think of the "medicine" lasting as long as you might want to eat those eggs. Cooled or not.
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 07, 2014 08:40 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:40 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)
You Silly Bastard.
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 07, 2014 08:41 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 08:41 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: Carol at March 07, 2014 08:41 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Molly k. at March 07, 2014 08:42 PM (f8cHe)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 08, 2014 12:32 AM (GEICT)
Actually, were I in your shoes I'd be looking at humulin....and patents be damned. You can probably hide a thriving E. coli colony in your basement a lot easier than you could hid a pig farm.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 08:42 PM (T1005)
Posted by: thunderb at March 07, 2014 08:42 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 07, 2014 08:43 PM (J9ECY)
Posted by: Lauren at March 07, 2014 08:43 PM (hFL/3)
What I want to do is have a supply of water available (without filling bathtub) for bathing, or flushing toilets, washing and household sorts of things.
For drinking, I have to think of something else.
Long term that is.
Lauren has shown me a rainbarrel source.
If I can drink rainwater, that's good too.
Posted by: NCwoof at March 07, 2014 08:43 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: thunderb at March 07, 2014 08:44 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 08:44 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:44 PM (KWIwL)
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Posted by: Molly k.
In no way, have we turned into "people".
We are Beings.
Let us Be.
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 07, 2014 08:45 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 07, 2014 08:46 PM (J9ECY)
Bugging out probably doesn't either, but at least I can think of possibilities that aren't being overrun, slaughtered, enslaved, or eaten.
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 08:47 PM (hjKMO)
BC,
Bet that expiration date is about 90 days pessimistic, just to protect the lawyers.
If SHTF, get all the near or slightly past X date stuff you can, and use it FIRST. Save your longer date stuff for later.
Buy or barter the old stuff from stupid people. They'll self-identify, by being willing to make the deal.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at March 07, 2014 08:48 PM (vvk2F)
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Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 08:49 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 08, 2014 12:39 AM (GEICT)
Thats how I found out about my diabetes. Embolic stroke, came within 15 seconds of killing me.
Stroke left me with lots of nerve damage and plenty of short term memory loss. My blood sugar that night was 390+
Posted by: GMB (et al) was a prepper before the word was even coined. at March 07, 2014 08:49 PM (nkPV9)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 07, 2014 08:50 PM (yDmQD)
Posted by: grognard
Yup. It is called *other.
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 07, 2014 08:50 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 08, 2014 12:44 AM (GEICT) Hide posts from (GEICT)
Garage, then.
Actually, before we bought this house the BH and I lived in a rented place in Sunnyvale on a cul-de-sac, and our across-the-street neighbors were doing biological research on yeasts in their garage.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 08:50 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Molly K. at March 07, 2014 08:51 PM (tsRcY)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 08, 2014 12:49 AM (ojnk6)
I know. That's why it sucks as the alternative. There needs to be someplace to go and hopefully establish a new normal.
I'd love to just get about 20 miles further northwest of here, and then I'd feel a little better about sheltering in place. That's just not reality right now.
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 08:51 PM (hjKMO)
I have asthma and have used old outdated inhalers. And if you can get a prescription for a years worth you can buy that much at one shot from the Canadians. If you can doctor shop you can stock up. Bonus it's cheaper than my copay to buy without insurance from Canada.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 07, 2014 08:51 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:51 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: kalneva at March 07, 2014 08:52 PM (XyrkB)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 08, 2014 12:50 AM (lq3Ak)
If it comes down to it, you have to take what you can get. Something is better than nothing.
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 08:52 PM (hjKMO)
what I was trying to ask (this may sound REALLY stupid) is can your order and pick up and store (assuming you can store) your insulan with expiration dates as follows:
Date 2014
Date 2015
Date 2016
Date 2017
and so on.
Posted by: NCwoof at March 07, 2014 08:52 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: Carol at March 07, 2014 08:53 PM (z4WKX)
http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/isla-san-pedro
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 07, 2014 08:54 PM (J9ECY)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 08:55 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 08, 2014 12:51 AM (KWIwL)
I have far more faith in the military than I do in law enforcement. I think the smart play is to plan as if they don't exist and won't care about you. If they are able to act as a stabilizing factor, then you're still far ahead of the game.
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 08:55 PM (hjKMO)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 08:56 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 08:56 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 08:58 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 07, 2014 08:58 PM (J9ECY)
and ended up with kidney pancreas transplant after dialysis. Good news was pancreas transplant cured the diabetes. Bad news was kidney was defective - has stent now and will require another xplant at some point.
Oddest thing was how her tastes and such changed after xplant, and she got waaay hotter ...Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 08:59 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: Carol at March 08, 2014 12:41 AM (z4WKX)
I hate that. I have 5 semi hammered disks in my neck. None are bad enough to need surgery, but they have been a bastard twice so far in 10 years.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 07, 2014 08:59 PM (FMbng)
The inhaled meds in US are outrageously expensive. Why? The EPA (f*ckers) said the propellant was destroying the universe and singlehandedly ordered the destruction of CPC. Now an inhaled med for COPD is about
400 bucks a month. My son had asthma. Am I pissed. Why yes, yes I am!
Posted by: NCwoof at March 07, 2014 08:59 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 08:59 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 09:00 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 08, 2014 12:58 AM (KWIwL)
Maybe. I can't see "fading into anonymity" as part of his MO. I see "Mao with a smile" IF he has enough manpower to pull it off.
He has been pretty thoroughly cleansing the officer ranks.
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 09:00 PM (hjKMO)
Posted by: Lauren at March 07, 2014 09:00 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 07, 2014 09:01 PM (AymDN)
There is no blanket answer (except, take blankets). Old dense urban areas will be hell on earth, of course. But cities are layered differently, some cookie-cutter suburbs are eminently more defensible than others, and just being "in the woods" doesn't guarantee you'll be safe.
Now, if you really do own some land far from the madding crowd, sure, a bunker there is a great idea, and a nice vacation spot too. I'm generally leery of suburbanites whose first plan is to ruck up and take the high ground. Usually the next order of business is "I don't need supplies. I can get your supplies." That's when I put on my hat, do one of those half-spins like backhoe does, and leave the bar.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 07, 2014 09:01 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 09:01 PM (KWIwL)
Should we be sending Thermite in soldiers care packages?
Posted by: The Hickster at March 07, 2014 09:01 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 07, 2014 09:02 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Blacksheep at March 07, 2014 09:02 PM (bS6uW)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 07, 2014 09:02 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: Lauren at March 07, 2014 09:03 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 09:03 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 09:04 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 09:05 PM (MtC8f)
Well we've seen how quickly Putin pounced on Ukraine...after their 'revolution'.
This is what worries me the most in the Let it Burn scenario.
I don't think that China and Russia would 'sit back and watch' while we got our country back together.
A worldwide disaster...now that is a different scenario.
Every country would be busy with their own survival.
But in a man-caused-economic-disaster here in the US...we would be vulnerable to foreign aggression.
There truly is nowhere else on the planet like our Breadbasket States.
Not really.
There are small areas, here and there, that have the same food production potential.
But nothing like the vast area we have here.
We pay farmers...to *not* grow crops fgs.
Otherwise we'd have surpluses that would crash the prices.
Our Midwestern states would be a prize for either Russia or China.
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 09:05 PM (8quPO)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 08, 2014 01:01 AM (xq1UY)
That's my problem in a nutshell. Staying is a frightening proposition - going seems less frightening. I have some basic skills I can use in a more rural area that I cannot use as effectively here.
But - I do not have a place to go. Strike 1. I do not have a cache to go to. Strike 2. I do not believe vehicle transportation is going to be possible. Strike 3. With some time, I may be able to overcome these, but not now.
Maybe the best approach is to prep for a month of hell, with bug out as the fall back. I don't know. Things will happen quickly and I see a scenario where anyone who doesn't get out early never will.
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 09:05 PM (hjKMO)
Posted by: Carol at March 07, 2014 09:06 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: eman at March 07, 2014 09:06 PM (AO9UG)
Posted by: GMB (et al) was a prepper before the word was even coined. at March 07, 2014 09:06 PM (nkPV9)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 09:06 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 07, 2014 09:06 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 09:07 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Blacksheep at March 07, 2014 09:07 PM (bS6uW)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 09:08 PM (KWIwL)
Yes that pissed me off to. Not only did it drive the price up. But you can hardly tell if the inhaler is actually working. They clog and need to be cleaned regularly now when the old ones never had that problem.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 07, 2014 09:08 PM (TI3xG)
I feel like I am ready to pass out. Eat something sugary quick!
Posted by: GMB (et al) was a prepper before the word was even coined. at March 07, 2014 09:09 PM (nkPV9)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 09:09 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 08, 2014 12:58 AM (KWIwL)
Maybe. I can't see "fading into anonymity" as part of his MO. I see "Mao with a smile" IF he has enough manpower to pull it off.He has been pretty thoroughly cleansing the officer ranks.
Posted by: grognard at March 08, 2014 01:00 AM (hjKMO) Hide posts from (hjKMO)
Thing is, that doesn't decrease the number of trained military -- it decreases the number of trained military under his control.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 09:10 PM (T1005)
A worldwide disaster...now that is a different scenario.
Every country would be busy with their own survival.
If the US goes down into chaos, everyone else does too. I am in Canada, and am under no illusion that we aren't chained to the Titanic up here.
Culturally, I might be able to count on a little more time to get out of dodge, but even that has changed a lot. 50% of Toronto was born outside of Canada, and the "multicultural is automatically good" naivete' has proven to be a ripe environment for those wanting to take advantage of it.
If the US fragments in a war of secession, and the US military fragments as well, then the UN definitely gets involved.
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 09:10 PM (hjKMO)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 09:11 PM (yVg8h)
______________________
Harrison Ford blew all the dams.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 07, 2014 09:11 PM (xq1UY)
Disater planing comes down to the decision to Stay or Go! My personal Go points are #1 loss of water pressure or #2 security related. If your going, then you need a plan and a place to go. Very few of us can walk off into the wilderness and make it. Establishing that place - your own or a stable relative - in a safe area distinct from your own should be a priority.
Is the Katrina guy's web site still up?
Posted by: Jean at March 07, 2014 09:12 PM (4JkHl)
You have been patient w my questions. Thank you for that.
My own sit is not as immediate and threatening as yours. But I do understand the frustrtion.
Wish I could help.
Posted by: NCwoof at March 07, 2014 09:12 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 09:13 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 09:13 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 08, 2014 01:10 AM (T1005)
*That* is the crucial calculus, I believe. How does that break down, and how effectively can those *not* under his control react to the rest who are?
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 09:13 PM (hjKMO)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 09:13 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: Lauren at March 07, 2014 09:13 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 09:15 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Jean at March 07, 2014 09:16 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Blacksheep at March 07, 2014 09:17 PM (bS6uW)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 09:17 PM (GEICT)
I know where I would go, if I could. However, it's about 300 miles, with a Great Lake in the direct path and a border crossing required. Not ideal.
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 09:17 PM (hjKMO)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 07, 2014 09:18 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 09:19 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Lauren at March 07, 2014 09:20 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 09:21 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 09:21 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Blacksheep at March 07, 2014 09:21 PM (bS6uW)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 07, 2014 09:22 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 09:22 PM (KWIwL)
If you're on city sewer lines...you may not have a choice of when you leave.
After a few days of not working, city sewers will be a backed up and full of disease.
That means...the toilets and sinks in your house are going to be belching out airborne diseases like cholera and dysentery.
So it's a good idea to have some sort of bug out plan.
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 09:22 PM (8quPO)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 09:23 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 09:24 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 08, 2014 01:19 AM (KWIwL)
I'm in Ontario, so thinking about Thunder Bay. Problem is, so will lots of others.
I wouldn't need to go far - 15 minutes in a car puts me in fairly wide farmland. 30 minutes away is quite rural. That's about 2 days of hard hiking until I am out where the FSA won't likely go. The issue is suburban refugees fleeing the FSA. Hipsters hoping farmers will take them in.
It would be best to know someone when I get there to help avoid that problem
But I don't.
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 09:25 PM (hjKMO)
Posted by: Blacksheep at March 08, 2014 01:17 AM (bS6uW)
Yeah, nothing helps you cope with the end of civilization like a good Frankenstein forehead.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 07, 2014 09:25 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 09:26 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Lauren at March 07, 2014 09:26 PM (hFL/3)
567 Watching Vikings. I do NOT like Ragnars new wife.
Give me Legartha back!
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Yeah...the princess is kind of high maintenance, and bossy.
But she's a baby-making machine...belting out sons, one after another.
Poor Ragnar.
He can't seem to get a break.
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 09:27 PM (8quPO)
Posted by: Blacksheep at March 07, 2014 09:27 PM (bS6uW)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 07, 2014 09:27 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: MAx at March 07, 2014 09:27 PM (b7yum)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 09:27 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Arbalest at March 07, 2014 09:27 PM (FlRtG)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 09:27 PM (KWIwL)
I know several other inhaler-dependent people in the same boat.
The ludicrous thing is how tiny the amount of CFCs from inhalers was, relative to the size of the atmosphere.
This is among the side effects of an innumerate culture. The inability to gauge risk when risk comes down to numbers.
Of course, cynically enough, many of the interests involved in banning CFCs in inhalers knew quite well that even if the propellants were made from pure distilled interdimensional eldritch evil, they still would not add up to much damage on a planetary scale, but those interests backed banning CFCs in inhalers anyway.
Because money. Sometimes indirectly, but always because money.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 07, 2014 09:28 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 09:29 PM (MtC8f)
Posted by: The Hickster at March 07, 2014 09:29 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 09:29 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: MAx at March 07, 2014 09:29 PM (b7yum)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 08, 2014 01:26 AM (KWIwL)
I don't need to be faster than the bear, just faster than them.
Also on city sewer/water. It won't end well, in my little corner of suburbia.
Where I grew up in CNY is ideal - family, firearms, land, hunting, like-minded folks. I should develop a serious plan to get there. It might be worth the attempt.
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 09:30 PM (hjKMO)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 07, 2014 09:31 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 09:31 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 09:31 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 09:32 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 07, 2014 09:33 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Blacksheep at March 07, 2014 09:34 PM (bS6uW)
Posted by: grognard
grognard, go 2hr out and volunteer for something every couple of months. Next thing you know, someone will tell you about a small farm for sale by owner, that hasn't been advertised.
Posted by: Jean at March 07, 2014 09:34 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 07, 2014 09:34 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 09:35 PM (hjKMO)
580...I know I have seen her before but can't figure where.
Yeah, she looks familiar to me too....can't place her though.
Aselthan kicked some ass though.
He sure did!
He's really embraced the Viking lifestyle...for an ex priest.
Of course, he didn't have much choice.
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 09:35 PM (8quPO)
grognard, go 2hr out and volunteer for something every couple of months. Next thing you know, someone will tell you about a small farm for sale by owner, that hasn't been advertised.
Posted by: Jean at March 08, 2014 01:34 AM (4JkHl)
I just noticed this as I was signing off. That's a great idea. Thank you!
(Goodnight, for real, this time)
Posted by: grognard at March 07, 2014 09:36 PM (hjKMO)
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So, when TSHTF, can we all move in with you?
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 09:37 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Carol at March 07, 2014 09:37 PM (z4WKX)
I do always laugh when I see people with elaborate bug-out bags from which they intend to "live off the land" by hunting and fishing.
I had elderly relatives (all now passed) who told me about their experience of the Depression years in rural America. At the outset, everyone had the same damn brilliant idea. "The economy is destroyed, there are no jobs, there is no money, but we'll be OK. We can hunt for deer and fish for trout."
After five years? You couldn't find a deer or a trout to save your life, literally so. Cleaned the fuck out. People were competing for nasty stuff they would previously never have thought of eating, like the occasional possum.
It'll work the same way all over again. Except nowadays the ratio of would-be hunters to potential game is far worse than it was back then, thanks to mass immigration to America. So the available game to provide food for the table won't last five years. It might last two.
Fortunately I have large provisions of Long Pig Helper.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 07, 2014 09:37 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 09:39 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 07, 2014 09:39 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Blacksheep at March 07, 2014 09:40 PM (bS6uW)
586...I haven't heard of a "dry" insulin. I'm assuming you mean a pill. Although I guess it could be a powder.
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They were talking about something like this on FoxBusiness...pills for diabetics.
Something that would replace insulin injections.
Said it was in the 'rumor mill'.
I hope it comes out soon, BC, for your sake.
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 09:41 PM (8quPO)
Sure....mostly. As in, they run for 500 yards based on gravity and then have a pumping station to raise them to the next 500-yard gravity flow. Think about this.....the sewer is underground between your house and the street. Somewhere near you is a sewage treatment plant that is pretty much on the surface. How many pump stations/gravity lines are between you and that plant? What happens when one pump station fails?
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 09:41 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 09:43 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: rickl at March 07, 2014 09:43 PM (sdi6R)
No
Only the highest elevations are purely gravity. In the flat lands gravity takes waste to pump stations that step in over high points between your house and it's final destination.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 07, 2014 09:43 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 09:43 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Blacksheep at March 07, 2014 09:44 PM (bS6uW)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 07, 2014 09:45 PM (yDmQD)
Yeah...pump stations.
Most city water and sewage is moved by pumps.
No electricity? ...No water. And the sewer lines start backing up.
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 09:46 PM (8quPO)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 09:46 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 07, 2014 09:49 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 09:49 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: Sister Sestina at March 07, 2014 09:49 PM (Em6d4)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 09:49 PM (T1005)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 09:51 PM (ojnk6)
I'm sure a system set up such as that has valves that can be manually operated, or a diversion of sorts to prevent that from happening under any conditions. Posted by: model_1066 at March 08, 2014 01:43 AM (KWIwL) Hide posts from (KWIwL)
Normally, the "diversion" is for when a pump station floods it runs into a storm drain and/or creek.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 09:52 PM (T1005)
I have grand kids and the kids that made them so I have a pretty good incentive to survive.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 07, 2014 09:52 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 09:53 PM (KWIwL)
Eventually with no power the treatment stations would back up and contaminate the flow like during a flood - it wouldn't last long I suppose. I know we could get through a small power disruption, but a permanent one would mean water war for sure, or, mass freezing if winter.Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 09:54 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 09:54 PM (KWIwL)
I agree about the "Live off the land" thing...there will be too many people counting on that.
Cattle ranchers are going to need small armies to protect their herds, though.
So...be nice to them.
They may welcome you in and feed you, in return for being part of their police force.
Especially if you have your own arsenal.
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 09:55 PM (8quPO)
Here's where you can start finding out -- http://www.metrowastewater.com/Pages/default.aspx
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 09:56 PM (T1005)
All this talk about the Burning Times and apockyclipse planning and no mention of assless chaps, hockey pads, stainless steel colander face masks and mohawks.
It's like I don't know you degenerates anymore.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 07, 2014 09:56 PM (aYjRw)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 09:57 PM (yVg8h)
The biggest unknown variable is how long it is before the mass slaughter of the treehuggers commences....'cause they'll all be seeking court-orders to halt or delay rebuilding efforts.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 09:59 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Bourbonchicken at March 07, 2014 09:59 PM (O+0br)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 10:00 PM (KWIwL)
630 How long would it take to rebuild the grid after a major solar event?
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I've heard "six months to three years" depending on how many of the transformers get fried.
Apparently, they don't just stockpile transformers.
So replacements would have to be manufactured.
But if you carry that thought out...how can they manufacture the needed transformers if there is no electricity?
Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 10:00 PM (8quPO)
Incidentally -- 85% of the flow of the Platte River is treated sewage?!?!?
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 10:01 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Cybertron at March 07, 2014 10:03 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 08, 2014 02:00 AM (KWIwL)
colander-face-mask world.....I'm so fucking stealing that. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 07, 2014 10:03 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 10:03 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: The Farmer at March 07, 2014 10:05 PM (eBupg)
That depends were any of manufacturing plants that make the components for the grid spared?
Posted by: The Hickster at March 07, 2014 10:05 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 10:05 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 07, 2014 10:06 PM (yDmQD)
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at March 07, 2014 10:06 PM (kPX/m)
Posted by: Sister Sestina at March 07, 2014 10:07 PM (Em6d4)
I suspect the true limiting factor would be skilled technical personnel.
Any societal survival strategy for such an event as national grid destruction would have to include identifying, prioritizing and protecting the handful of people with the specific smarts for large scale power engineering.
There are not a lot of those people. And if too many of them get wiped out by starving rampaging FSA members? The lights will stay off for a long, long time.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 07, 2014 10:09 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 10:09 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at March 07, 2014 10:12 PM (kPX/m)
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I've heard "six months to three years" depending on how many of the transformers get fried.
Apparently, they don't just stockpile transformers.
So replacements would have to be manufactured.
But if you carry that thought out...how can they manufacture the needed transformers if there is no electricity?
Posted by: wheatie at March 08, 2014 02:00 AM (8quPO) Hide posts from (8quPO)
They don't stockpile transformers, and manufacturing them is a dirty business....so it'd take years to get back online if every feel-good regulation were adhered to. Sooner or later, however, we'd move to a "war footing" -- crank-the-bastiches-out and we'll clean up the mess later, and any asshole who wants to complain about coal-fed blast furnaces making the required iron can get fed into one -- and get 'em replaced much more quickly
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 10:13 PM (T1005)
Posted by: concrete girl at March 07, 2014 10:13 PM (DEQD5)
Evening, all -- Here, I stole this pic from WZ:
http://tinyurl.com/lkzzbbp
Those parkour guys can do some really amazing stuff, ninja shit, but their fails look somewhat painful. Wear a cup, dudes.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 07, 2014 10:13 PM (cHZB7)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 10:13 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 07, 2014 10:14 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 10:14 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 07, 2014 10:16 PM (m0h0I)
And we get to see expectant daughter and her fiance! Posted by: westminsterdogshow at March 08, 2014 02:06 AM (kPX/m) Hide posts from (kPX/m)
Hiya, WDS!!! Dad grew up in Delta -- took a Model A and drove to SoCal when he could.
The road from Grand Junction to Denver is tough on a good day. Glad you're safe.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 10:17 PM (T1005)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 07, 2014 10:18 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 10:18 PM (KWIwL)
We don't make the big ones ourselves anymore. Lead times on some of them are up to two years. So yeah, if we lose a lot of them to an EMP or solar flare, We-R-Fuked.
I've got a generator, and when the fuel runs out I figure I'll attach a drive belt to it and a treadmill, and have cute blondes run on it in exchange for ice cubes.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 07, 2014 10:19 PM (cHZB7)
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at March 07, 2014 10:20 PM (kPX/m)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 07, 2014 10:21 PM (xa1/W)
Posted by: Adriane... at March 07, 2014 10:21 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 07, 2014 10:22 PM (yDmQD)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 10:22 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Sister Sestina at March 07, 2014 10:22 PM (Em6d4)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 07, 2014 10:22 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: Jean at March 07, 2014 10:24 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 10:25 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Jean at March 07, 2014 10:25 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: The Hickster at March 07, 2014 10:26 PM (TI3xG)
We don't make the big ones ourselves anymore. Lead times on some of them are up to two years. So yeah, if we lose a lot of them to an EMP or solar flare, We-R-Fuked.
I've got a generator, and when the fuel runs out I figure I'll attach a drive belt to it and a treadmill, and have cute blondes run on it in exchange for ice cubes.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 08, 2014 02:19 AM (cHZB7) Hide posts from (cHZB7)
The real problem is that skilled machinists have been run out of the ranks of the "civilized" by grievance-studies majors, webgraphics designers, and other pajama-boys and pajama-gals. Everyone aspires to be a college-grad and not have to "get their hands dirty", so there's no reserve of experienced people to do what it takes to get everything back online.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 10:26 PM (T1005)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 10:27 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 08, 2014 01:59 AM (T1005)
Ten minutes after I run out of coffee.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 07, 2014 10:27 PM (xa1/W)
"Smith & WessonÂ’s future depends on continued paranoia"
tinyurl.com/lodej7q
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 07, 2014 10:27 PM (Y/M/K)
Posted by: Jean at March 07, 2014 10:28 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Adriane... at March 07, 2014 10:29 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: Sister Sestina at March 07, 2014 10:29 PM (Em6d4)
Posted by: Jean
Not entirely true. The US Army has an EMP test bed in FL. Haven't seen any data from the location so they may be keeping it mum for a reason.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 07, 2014 10:31 PM (Y/M/K)
Posted by: shredded chi at March 07, 2014 10:32 PM (iGuUj)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 10:32 PM (KWIwL)
At least you know what to look for.
Posted by: Richard Carrington at March 07, 2014 10:32 PM (0AKks)
Posted by: Sister Sestina at March 07, 2014 10:34 PM (Em6d4)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 10:35 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: Jean
Not entirely true. The US Army has an EMP test bed in FL. Haven't seen any data from the location so they may be keeping it mum for a reason.
Posted by: weft cut-loop
Sorry, I mean civilian stuff. I've burned in most of my systems at WSMR and can predict failure down to the length of the specific power cord attached to the device. I rarely get HEMP or NED waivers. Most of the green machine will roll on, I doubt the Navy will notice much, the Air Force hmmm.
Posted by: Jean at March 07, 2014 10:35 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: The Hickster at March 07, 2014 10:35 PM (TI3xG)
(a) You tell me.....
(b) Pajama-boy or pajama-girl status isn't just about what pays the bills -- I'm a CPA, for instance -- but I can also do some car repairs, home repairs, electrical, plumbing, drywall, gardening, cooking, and general troubleshooting.
I'm a big fan of Heinlein's words of wisdom: "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 10:36 PM (T1005)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 10:36 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Jean at March 07, 2014 10:37 PM (4JkHl)
https://warsclerotic.wordpress.com /2012/09/25/electromagnetic-pulse-nuclear-emp/
(remove space after .com for link to work)
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 07, 2014 10:38 PM (cHZB7)
Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 02:31 AM (aUQgu)
The power went out at the Refuge this AM, which meant no stove and no water pump. I have a camp stove but shamefully I do not store water, so I went to get some...and while I was gone the power came back on.
That's fine, I needed some water stored anyway.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 07, 2014 10:39 PM (xa1/W)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 07, 2014 10:39 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 10:40 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: The Hickster
No. A closer spaced mesh, like a corn silo, maybe, but there is a bit more to it then just throwing up some chicken wire.
Posted by: Jean at March 07, 2014 10:41 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 07, 2014 10:42 PM (xa1/W)
Posted by: Jake Blues at March 07, 2014 10:43 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 08, 2014 02:39 AM (m0h0I) Hide posts from (m0h0I)
I can't tell you whether the best option is studying machining or carpentry or electricians' work or plumbing.....but I can tell you that each and every one of those things is going to be a better investment of your time than being a graduate of a lesbian-studies major program.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 10:43 PM (T1005)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 10:44 PM (KWIwL)
Not a surprise to me that I'm wrong. I'm a mechanical guy and only dabble in electric on the gross scale of house wiring.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 07, 2014 10:45 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: Belle Knoxx at March 07, 2014 10:45 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: Jean at March 07, 2014 10:46 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 10:47 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Sister Sestina at March 07, 2014 10:48 PM (Em6d4)
Posted by: Belle Knoxx at March 07, 2014 10:49 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 08, 2014 02:39 AM (m0h0I)
To learn how to work a 3D printer? Of course, those things probably aren't cheap. Yet. I agree that the skills you learn would be valuable, but I suspect that the short supply of labor reflects anticipated demand. Posted by: model_1066 at March 08, 2014 02:44 AM (KWIwL) Hide posts from (KWIwL)
If you want to learn how to work a 3D printer, get one. They're only $300. I need to finish mine (I went on a tangent to stain it pretty colors).
And, BTW, I studied 3D printing at some length and subtractive processes are still superior to additive ones in (a) precision, (b) material choice, (c) cost, and (d) scalability.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 10:49 PM (T1005)
The ones that do plastic are surprisingly cheap.
http://tinyurl.com/myqouc9
There are even cheaper kits but this one is a low end out of the box model.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 07, 2014 10:50 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 10:50 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: Adriane... at March 07, 2014 10:51 PM (qoKTg)
Flash burns
Shockwave
Firestorm
Prompt radiation burns
Repairable radioactive aerosols
Radioactive groundwater contamination
Social shock
Long term radioactive contamination
Cumulative contamination of the food supply.
EMP
Posted by: Jean at March 07, 2014 10:51 PM (4JkHl)
Double majors in lesbian studies and film making may be the exception ... Posted by: Belle Knoxx at March 08, 2014 02:45 AM (qoKTg) Hide posts from (qoKTg)
The problem is that edumicated poon is not clearly superior to unedumicated poon.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 10:51 PM (T1005)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 10:52 PM (KWIwL)
And how's this for crazy: I was just looking up the course offerings at the local tech school, and it seems the program (at least in part) is taught by one of my best friends going all the way back to 7th grade.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 07, 2014 10:53 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 10:54 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 08, 2014 02:43 AM (T1005)
They're all useful, but I'd say electrician. I've never heard of a carpenter or plumber being instantly killed by making a small mistake. Lots of people are scared shitless of electricity in that regard. Posted by: model_1066 at March 08, 2014 02:47 AM (KWIwL) Hide posts from (KWIwL)
I'll do anything downstream of a main breaker, but I won't even do things that I know are simple on the upstream side.....because you can seriously end up like a red shirt on ST:TOS if you touch the wrong things together.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 10:54 PM (T1005)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 10:54 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Jean at March 07, 2014 10:54 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: HuuskerDu at March 07, 2014 10:55 PM (d3MA1)
Speaking of being directly underneath a nuke:
Back in the late 1950s to early 1960s, there was an era in which the American military were concerned about Soviet nuclear bomber attacks on the USA, and trying to come up with cost-effective ways to counter these.
Interceptor jets with conventional air to air missiles work, but the studies showed it would cost a mint to buy enough of them to get adequate coverage. But... if you were to put a nuclear warhead on the missile, it would take out multiple bombers at once! Kill an entire incoming formation in one shot. And avoid the need for precision terminal guidance. Costly at that time.
So the nuclear air to air missile was born. In several flavors.
And they actually tested one live -- which specific variant I cannot recall -- out at the Nevada proving grounds, and to demonstrate to the public not to freak out, a couple of Air Force officers stood at ground zero directly underneath the test shot. No special protection. Ordinary service uniforms.
They all lived.
But what a late-night barroom story! How could you ever beat that for bragging rights?
"There I was. Waiting for a nuke to go off right over my head."
Posted by: torquewrench at March 07, 2014 10:59 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 11:00 PM (KWIwL)
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I'm crap with mechanical and electrical but can otherwise wield a tool OK, and cook and garden just well enough not to starve. I would think myself closer to hamfisted than handy, but my greatest asset in trying times is being able to make do with what I've got and not bitch. I can lower my expectations like a damn drawbridge--maybe that's why I haven't left California? Posted by: Sister Sestina at March 08, 2014 02:48 AM (Em6d4) Hide posts from (Em6d4)
You're close, but not completely on. You are saying that your greatest asset is looking at a situation that's a 4-out-of-10 and saying, "well, that's not so bad." But, really, your greatest asset is looking at that situation and going, "there's a 10% chance I can get it to an 8, a 20% chance I can get it to a 7, a 30% chance I can get it to a 6, a 20% chance I can get it to a 5, a 5% chance that I won't notice any improvement, and a 5% chance that I'll make it worse" -- and going for it. Pajama-boys-and-gals have no such horsesense. Things have always been 9s or 10s with them, and they have tantrums when things are even the least bit flawed.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 11:00 PM (T1005)
The Unedumicated poon in my area are clearly superior to edumicated poon. They tend to have experience in butchering deer and canning. That is a big plus over the women's studies major. And they are not to delicate to do outdoor work.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 07, 2014 11:01 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 07, 2014 11:04 PM (xa1/W)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 11:04 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Sister Sestina at March 07, 2014 11:05 PM (Em6d4)
Posted by: The CPAC Hat at March 07, 2014 11:07 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 11:07 PM (yVg8h)
And how's this for crazy: I was just looking up the course offerings at the local tech school, and it seems the program (at least in part) is taught by one of my best friends going all the way back to 7th grade.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 08, 2014 02:53 AM (m0h0I) Hide posts from (m0h0I)
I got myself one of these -- http://tinyurl.com/28s88pp -- for $400 [to get it at that price, you have to stalk it for a while in order to get the right combination of coupons and sale prices]. Seriously. It has its limitations, but it's outrageously cheap and contains the ability (with accessories and tooling) to build itself or larger devices. There is a great resource at http://tinyurl.com/qf6m5ms to put that into perspective.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 11:08 PM (T1005)
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at March 07, 2014 11:10 PM (kPX/m)
Mr. Wds gifted money to his daughter for her wedding this October. There were two stipulations.......they were not pregnant (she had been pregnant earlier and had sadly lost the baby) and that she had graduated from college(after 7 years, 5 paid for and 2 cosigned loans). She is again pregnant and we are thrilled to be grandparents. However, she still feels she has to have her "party".
What would you do? Posted by: westminsterdogshow at March 08, 2014 03:10 AM (kPX/m) Hide posts from (kPX/m)
Ooooh.....the tack I'd start mapping out (top of the head stuff) is that you can always have a party, but you get ONE chance to start a kid out right. And with indications the way they are, that money had best be reserved for getting the kid going. Feel free to cruise places like Zerohedge for appropriate mood music.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 11:16 PM (T1005)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 11:18 PM (KWIwL)
Cut the contribution in half so there is still a price to pay. But she still isn't completely cut off so the relationship can be maintained.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 07, 2014 11:18 PM (TI3xG)
Looks like the next course offering doesn't begin 'til August. So, I've got some time to figure out how to make it all happen.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 07, 2014 11:20 PM (m0h0I)
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at March 07, 2014 11:23 PM (kPX/m)
Looks like the next course offering doesn't begin 'til August. So, I've got some time to figure out how to make it all happen.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 08, 2014 03:20 AM (m0h0I) Hide posts from (m0h0I)
IIRC, it was on sale for $500, but I had a 20% off coupon that overlapped the sale for about 3 days. Like I said, you have to stalk it and game it to get it really cheap.
In addition, your local Barnes and Noble probably has magazines like "Machinist's Workshop" and "Digital Machinist" that have Harbor Freight coupons not available anywhere else in them.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 11:25 PM (T1005)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 11:26 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: Sister Sestina at March 07, 2014 11:26 PM (Em6d4)
I'll have to start looking a little more closely at the HF circular that comes in the local paper, too.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 07, 2014 11:29 PM (m0h0I)
That is pretty much the way we feel too. The money can be better used for starting their family and not having financial stress. We want them to understand that financial stress us the leading killer of marriages but when we share life experience with them they think we are being mean. Posted by: westminsterdogshow at March 08, 2014 03:23 AM (kPX/m) Hide posts from (kPX/m)
I'm assuming the money's been gifted already.
If you share life experience with them and they say you're being mean, tell 'em that you'd love for skittle-shitting unicorns to fly overhead but that your own life experiences were sometimes "mean" and you're trying to help them avoid the harm that you endured while you were figuring stuff out. In other words, deflect your concern back to the mean times rather than the mean info.....then you can suggest that those times may come again (though you wish they wouldn't).
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 11:29 PM (T1005)
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at March 07, 2014 11:29 PM (kPX/m)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 11:31 PM (yVg8h)
I'll have to start looking a little more closely at the HF circular that comes in the local paper, too.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 08, 2014 03:29 AM (m0h0I) Hide posts from (m0h0I)
Get on their email list. It'll spam the crap out of you, but it's better than Nigerians.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 11:32 PM (T1005)
I'll have to start looking a little more closely at the HF circular that comes in the local paper, too.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 08, 2014 03:29 AM (m0h0I) Hide posts from (m0h0I)
Oh, and bookmark this guy -- http://tinyurl.com/3gmmh3r
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 11:35 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 11:35 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 07, 2014 11:37 PM (KWIwL)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 08, 2014 03:32 AM (T1005)
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Will do. It can't be any worse than the emails I get from conservative organizations telling me which carbs to never, ever eat.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 07, 2014 11:39 PM (m0h0I)
Her Dad wants anything to go to the child and they don't get it>>
One of my daughters did the getting preggers and still not married. I love her and have told her she and the kid are welcome in my house anytime. But if he want's to live with her and the kid GET A FUCKING JOB AND A PLACE FOR THEM. Daughter and kid were at my house for 6 months but the useless fuck ponied up. My point was only to find a way to keep the daughter in your lives. And that will be different for every situation.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 07, 2014 11:42 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: westminsterdogshow at March 07, 2014 11:45 PM (kPX/m)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 11:46 PM (yVg8h)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 08, 2014 03:32 AM (T1005)----------------------Will do. It can't be any worse than the emails I get from conservative organizations telling me which carbs to never, ever eat.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 08, 2014 03:39 AM (m0h0I) Hide posts from (m0h0I)
I donated a bunch of small amounts tactically for 2010. Fast forward to today, and I've received enough mailers from conservative organizations to have entirely used up anything I contributed. Want to know my reaction to someone who used a well-meaning contribution to ask for more, without swaying any of the undecided or initially hostile?
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 11:47 PM (T1005)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 08, 2014 03:47 AM (T1005)
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I suspect it wasn't, "How much?"
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 07, 2014 11:52 PM (m0h0I)
well-meaning contribution to ask for more, without swaying any of the
undecided or initially hostile?
Posted by: cthulhu at March 08, 2014 03:47 AM (T1005)
---------------I suspect it wasn't, "How much?"
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 08, 2014 03:52 AM (m0h0I) Hide posts from (m0h0I)
Well, you got the right number of letters and the right number of words.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 07, 2014 11:54 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Joe at March 07, 2014 11:55 PM (yVg8h)
@ Joe -- I plan to use mine to make a carburetor that gets 120 mpg like that one guy.
Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at March 08, 2014 12:03 AM (m0h0I)
Posted by: …and DON'T call me "Shirley" at March 08, 2014 12:12 AM (AymDN)
The muzzies are trying to take over Birmingham schools :
http://tinyurl.com/m9mluso
(Beitbart)
Over a hundred non US citizens are registered to vote in FL; some have actually been voting:
http://tinyurl.com/k9won6a
(WesternJounalism link, references an NBC@ investigative report)
Remember folks, our Dem betters in DC have consistently told us that this stuff just doesn't happen.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 08, 2014 12:13 AM (cHZB7)
What can you make with these things besides miniature engines? Posted by: Joe at March 08, 2014 03:55 AM (yVg8h) Hide posts from (yVg8h)
And, see -- that right there is the reason that more people should have one in their garage and have experience with it.
I don't mean to make you feel any sense of dishonor for such a meaningful question -- it's just that we all swim in a sea of machined products and, like fish in the ocean, don't even notice them most of the time.
You are correct in noting that with a small lathe and mill you can make miniature engines -- and many people do as a demonstration of their abilities. You can also make clocks, custom ipad covers, brackets, puzzles, prototypes, RF enclosures, legs, cogs, gears, cams, keys, jigs and tools. You can make brass cannons, AR lowers, bullet molds, and reloading jigs. In short, everything around you is either machined directly.....or is made using a tool that has been machined. Even the looms that wove the fabric of your t-shirt....were built of machined parts.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 08, 2014 12:14 AM (T1005)
That looks exactly like my list.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 08, 2014 12:16 AM (cHZB7)
Posted by: fastfreefall at March 08, 2014 12:17 AM (VfV44)
That looks exactly like my list.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 08, 2014 04:16 AM (cHZB7) Hide posts from (cHZB7)
Mine has four -- include Perry and Walker. Christie can kiss my ass.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 08, 2014 12:17 AM (T1005)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 08, 2014 12:20 AM (AymDN)
http://machineshop.olin.edu/resources/documents/Prison%20Camp%20Lathe.pdf
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 08, 2014 12:22 AM (cHZB7)
The apple doesn't fall very far from the tree. Maybe daddy can spool up another God Damn America speech out of this.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 08, 2014 12:29 AM (cHZB7)
http://machineshop.olin.edu/resources/documents/Prison%20Camp%20Lathe.pdf
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 08, 2014 04:22 AM (cHZB7) Hide posts from (cHZB7)
I've seen that -- and it is yet another example of how stuff most of us don't have any idea how to use can be worthy of a life-and-death struggle to keep running.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 08, 2014 12:31 AM (T1005)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 08, 2014 12:33 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 08, 2014 12:37 AM (qyfb5)
I wonder if I could make a forge hot enough to recycle my own aluminum.
3D scanners still need to come a little way. You could even scan broken rare car parts and stitch them together again, or make a mirror image part for one missing.
No doubt people with higher budgets are doing that as a business as we speak, and possibly people with junkyards or collections scanning and preparing to "print" rare parts for sale.
Heck you can even make tools, like a lot of those oddball special tools some manufacturers make for an oddball application, like 14" S-shaped torx drivers or cam gear locks or whatever. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 08, 2014 04:33 AM (qyfb5) Hide posts from (qyfb5)
Essentially, the problems with (base level) 3D printers are twofold -- first, the support network is tuned to making stable structures and not for hitting exact dimensions; second, the underlying printing is done by squirting, so it's like building a wall out of toothpaste. This doesn't mean that sintering versions or other nifty tech has these issues -- but basic PLA printing on a stage does.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 08, 2014 12:41 AM (T1005)
Posted by: GMB (et al) was a prepper before the word was even coined. at March 08, 2014 12:43 AM (nkPV9)
Remember the Million Mile Volvos? Yeah, well the tolerances were tight and the engines were low-pressure, relatively, but one other thing I recall - machinists would break down an engine after several hundred thousand miles and find original tooling marks on the cylinder walls. Apparently, the blocks were made of tool steel because for a brief time it was cheaper or easier to get than cast iron.Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 08, 2014 12:50 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 08, 2014 01:09 AM (qyfb5)
Yesterday closed out a work week of the smallest number of ammo alerts so far.
Only one alert yesterday, (.08 per rd) and by the time I got to the vendors website, it was out of stock.
In a nutshell, nothing in .22lr available and in stock for less then .14 a round using five different ammo shopping bots, tracking over 35 different vendors.
9mm seems to again be inching upward in price for bulk purchase, and availability seems to be tightening.
.223 seems to be holding fairly steady, with the low end price point for brass case sometimes dipping around .33 per round.
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Posted by: mindful webworker at March 08, 2014 03:31 AM (WgBz9)
CNN reporting a slick and debris in water.
Location unknown by me.
More disturbing.....
Italian news reports that the report of a missing Italian National passenger are incorrect.
Owner of passport used by passenger reports that his passport was stolen six months ago.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 03:31 AM (wMsMv)
Posted by: Weirdflunky at March 08, 2014 03:36 AM (F7NvQ)
Boeing 777, 11 years old.
I think the newest model is the 787, but could be wrong.
Does anyone really need an assault aircraft capable of carrying over 250 people?
We should move to limit all aircraft to ten passengers only.
It's for the chirrun.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 03:40 AM (wMsMv)
Posted by: mindful webworker at March 08, 2014 03:42 AM (WgBz9)
Decades of tension between Malaysia and Peruvia.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 03:45 AM (wMsMv)
Posted by: mindful webworker at March 08, 2014 03:46 AM (WgBz9)
Thanks guys.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 03:48 AM (wMsMv)
Posted by: ThreePercent at March 08, 2014 02:39 PM (t+MC5)
Mile and mile of pipeline under New York City - no problem. A few miles of pipeline in Nebraska - THE END OF THE WORLD.
Some communist billionaire willing to donate $100 million to the Democratic Party to kill the pipeline - now that's really important. Have you ever wonder why billionaire and communism go together? Moscow has the most billionaires in the world living there.
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