March 08, 2014
Why Wendy Davis Was Doomed From The Start In One Image
— CAC Warning: your margins will hate you for reading on.
— CAC Warning: your margins will hate you for reading on.
[Update - Andy]: ... or maybe not. Click on the map to view full-size.
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06:00 AM
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I don't know why but I feel stretched thin.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at March 08, 2014 06:11 AM (E8IHS)
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I don't think anyone with one brain cell or more ever thought she had a chance to win.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 06:13 AM (T2V/1)
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I notice the "blue" counties are all in tyhraditional urban areas and in those "natural Republican" Hispanic areas at the border.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 06:15 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: Jim at March 08, 2014 06:15 AM (vvk2F)
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CAC decided to do his own version of how big is the universe.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 06:15 AM (wMsMv)
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Interesting that the Rio Grande corridor is the only remaining blue part of that map. A lot of families in that area have trans-border family ties. When I lived in San Antonio we used to joke that the de facto border ran along Commerce Street through downtown S.A.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, United Mime Workers local #555 at March 08, 2014 06:15 AM (g4TxM)
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Interesting: it's almost as if Conservatives/Republicans have been migrating to Texas looking for jobs. Who's a-thunk that being business-friendly with a part-time legislature would create a positive feedback loop from an anti-donk point of view.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at March 08, 2014 06:16 AM (1htQa)
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Brain Cells? Brains had nothing to do with it. It's all feelings, and baby, they got stomped.
Posted by: RB3 at March 08, 2014 06:16 AM (oraDD)
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How does Dallas County have the same # of votes as 20 years ago?
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 06:16 AM (ZPrif)
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But yet, despite all this red, Cornyn will be re-elected.
Posted by: Soona at March 08, 2014 06:17 AM (cbE5r)
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I'd put my pants back on if I didn't think they would make the blog look wide.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, United Mime Workers local #555 at March 08, 2014 06:19 AM (g4TxM)
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Twenty years later, nearly one million more votes, Perry wins by a smaller margin.
The trend is your friend.
Sure 'conservatives' win, but nearly half the voters hold an opposing point of view.
The trend is your friend.
Sure 'conservatives' win, but nearly half the voters hold an opposing point of view.
Posted by: WonderingWandah at March 08, 2014 06:20 AM (x84uy)
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Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, is bigger and better in Texas!
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 08, 2014 06:21 AM (BAS5M)
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oh, ya, there is the total and then there is the subtotal of the largest counties.
Ima gonna go plow snow.
Ima gonna go plow snow.
Posted by: WonderingWandah at March 08, 2014 06:22 AM (x84uy)
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never mind i was able to move over there
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at March 08, 2014 06:22 AM (u8GsB)
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btw....this post is as wide as texas
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at March 08, 2014 06:22 AM (u8GsB)
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22 Twenty years later, nearly one million more votes, Perry wins by a smaller margin.
I see what you did there.
Posted by: rickl at March 08, 2014 06:23 AM (sdi6R)
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I see what you did there.
Posted by: rickl at March 08, 2014 10:23 AM (sdi6R)
*snort*
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at March 08, 2014 06:25 AM (u8GsB)
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That map pretty much demonstrates why the Prog/Coms are pushing for open borders: it virtually insures that we'll never be America again.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 08, 2014 06:25 AM (0HooB)
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I'm gonna need a new monitor, right side blew out.
Posted by: NSA , et al at March 08, 2014 06:27 AM (aDwsi)
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Not to mention, Davis actually managed to lose some of those blue counties in her primary. Whoops.
Posted by: DangerGirl at March 08, 2014 06:28 AM (GrtrJ)
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23 Where's the Pluto pixel?
Posted by: UWP
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Possible thread winner
Posted by: NSA , et al at March 08, 2014 06:28 AM (aDwsi)
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How does Dallas County have the same # of votes as 20 years ago?
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 10:16 AM (ZPrif)
*points to the explosion in population in the suburban counties due North*
Most of "Dallas" growth was in the metro area, not the city-proper or county-proper. The number of midterm voters only increased marginally over 20 years.
Posted by: CAC at March 08, 2014 06:34 AM (XaTJd)
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No plaid, no paisley, what is this blog coming to?
Posted by: madamemayhem (still on a hate binge) at March 08, 2014 06:40 AM (WPm3x)
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Perhaps two graphics vertically would ease our broader border issues?
Also, along with my semi-annual DST rant (last thread), I register my regular objection to folks employing the party-color-reversal trick pulled by the Commies:
http://mindfulwebworks.com/radical/blue
Posted by: mindful webworker tilting at windmills again at March 08, 2014 06:40 AM (i5xnd)
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My friends, you have nothing to fear in a a Democrat voting bloc
super-majority. Anyone who objects to this statement is clearly
disrespecting Bob Dole's (and my) military service.
Posted by: John McCain (R) at March 08, 2014 06:41 AM (M5T54)
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My computer screen has prolapsed after these margins
Posted by: testing at March 08, 2014 06:41 AM (9R4HJ)
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Did the blog just hick-up?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 06:41 AM (wMsMv)
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If only we could vote, Jefe.
Posted by: Jerry Rivers Landscaping Service Employees at March 08, 2014 06:41 AM (KQp38)
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Does this screen make me look fat?
Posted by: Everyone calls her Wendy at March 08, 2014 06:42 AM (MhA4j)
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This has been a test...
Had it been a real emergency, you'd have been fcuked.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 06:46 AM (aDwsi)
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Perhaps two graphics vertically would ease our broader border issues?
Or an animated gif cycling at 10 Hz!
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 08, 2014 06:46 AM (RnvrB)
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Since a Democrat wouldn't win no matter, of course they foist a Woman on their ticket. Gotta make it all about [ ] -- sexist GOP pigs or something. Keep on churnin' the hate machine...warts-on-wimmin.
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 08, 2014 06:46 AM (MhA4j)
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CAC MAP BREAKS BLOG!
Film at 11.
Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 08, 2014 06:52 AM (bCEmE)
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Help!
My blog has fallen, and can't get up!
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 06:57 AM (aDwsi)
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So, ACC is basically giving thos of us on phones a big, wide middle finger.
Got it.
Posted by: shredded chi at March 08, 2014 06:57 AM (iGuUj)
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I see that the enwidening spell has worn off
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 06:57 AM (wMsMv)
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So, CAC is basically giving those of us on phones a big, wide middle finger.
Got it.
Posted by: shredded chi at March 08, 2014 06:57 AM (iGuUj)
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There was a blogger whose maps,
Were unique as to colour and wraps;
When he opened them wide,
People all turned aside,
And started away in surprise.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 07:03 AM (aDwsi)
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The Dem fantasy of "turning Texas blue" started and ended with "run a Hispanic for office."
Problem is, that idea was entirely conceived, implemented and run by northern leftists.
Who, as any nature program will show, are dumb as fuck.
They didn't bother looking at the actual voting data--they just assumed that a super-duper-majority of Hispanics will automatically vote for the Dem. No matter what.
Here's what they should have know--if they weren't dumb as fuck: A lot of Hispanics in Texas are solid conservative, Republican voters. Especially in West Texas.
You know those 20-odd counties where she didn't receive a single vote? There were Hispanics voting for the Republican, in a more or less uncontested primary, in those counties.
At my precinct convention on Wednesday, had to review the list of primary voters eligible to be delegates at the county convention.
Guess what? Big chunk, at least 30%, had Hispanic surnames.
Here in West Texas, Ted Cruz got a higher percentage of the Hispanic vote than Obaaama.
Oh, and one other thing: There are a lot of illegal Hispanics in Texas. I have not seen it explained why we are not seeing a corresponding surge of Democrat voters like as has happened in CA.
Problem is, that idea was entirely conceived, implemented and run by northern leftists.
Who, as any nature program will show, are dumb as fuck.
They didn't bother looking at the actual voting data--they just assumed that a super-duper-majority of Hispanics will automatically vote for the Dem. No matter what.
Here's what they should have know--if they weren't dumb as fuck: A lot of Hispanics in Texas are solid conservative, Republican voters. Especially in West Texas.
You know those 20-odd counties where she didn't receive a single vote? There were Hispanics voting for the Republican, in a more or less uncontested primary, in those counties.
At my precinct convention on Wednesday, had to review the list of primary voters eligible to be delegates at the county convention.
Guess what? Big chunk, at least 30%, had Hispanic surnames.
Here in West Texas, Ted Cruz got a higher percentage of the Hispanic vote than Obaaama.
Oh, and one other thing: There are a lot of illegal Hispanics in Texas. I have not seen it explained why we are not seeing a corresponding surge of Democrat voters like as has happened in CA.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 08, 2014 07:03 AM (VjL9S)
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Oh. Thought it would be a pic of an aborted fetus. Or of an abandoned child.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 08, 2014 07:04 AM (8+xjO)
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A man with a wide stance could feel right at home here.
Posted by: Larry Craig at March 08, 2014 07:04 AM (l3vZN)
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Heh..., how about that? Size does matter.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 07:04 AM (aDwsi)
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here I wrote a good post, and the blog went down when I posted it. so screw it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 08, 2014 07:08 AM (hTDbY)
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Headline : Thread mysteriously disappears over Texas.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 07:08 AM (aDwsi)
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The site has been crashing regularly in recent days.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 07:09 AM (ZPrif)
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I guess we would have to send CAC to the barrel, but his work gives him a "get out of the Barrel" card, so we will have to suffer.
Nice work CAC. Abortion Barbie has no chance, but let us pray the democrats think she does and piss a lot of money away on her, before she gets appointed to HHS after she loses.
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 07:10 AM (0FSuD)
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I notice the "blue" counties are all in
tyhraditional urban areas and in those "natural Republican" Hispanic
areas at the border.
Posted by: Vic at March 08, 2014 10:15 AM (T2V/1)
Somebody needs to get a staple gun and attach that map to Boehner and Cantor's foreheads the next time those asswipes start stumping for immigration reform. Fucking idiots.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 08, 2014 07:10 AM (5H/Nk)
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"The site has been crashing regularly in recent days"
Still gonna blame it on CAC.
Just....well, just because I can.
Still gonna blame it on CAC.
Just....well, just because I can.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 07:11 AM (wMsMv)
Posted by: backhoe at March 08, 2014 07:12 AM (ULH4o)
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And they said Microsoft Paint was worthless for drawing maps.
Posted by: UWP at March 08, 2014 07:12 AM (KAmBO)
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I said before, but, I was surprised at how many counties along the river and in South Texas went to Romney in '12. More GOP votes down there than I had expected.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2014 07:13 AM (v7+/1)
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Wow,
Now the masthead is gone from the top of the thread as well.
What fresh hell has been unleashed this fine morning?
Now the masthead is gone from the top of the thread as well.
What fresh hell has been unleashed this fine morning?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 07:13 AM (wMsMv)
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"Start a new thread. This one is awful."
Now that the map is gone, we could just treat it like an open thread.
You know, bewbies, guns and crossbows.
Maybe some gardening.
Now that the map is gone, we could just treat it like an open thread.
You know, bewbies, guns and crossbows.
Maybe some gardening.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 07:15 AM (wMsMv)
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So, it wasn't Hispanics that hurt Romney so much as it was the "gibsmedat" and "ain't it cool, man" crowd that did.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2014 07:16 AM (v7+/1)
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CAC - Good effort man. I appreciate the map..., and the thoughts.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 07:17 AM (aDwsi)
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This is for BC and other parents of small children:
http://tinyurl.com/m2oz74f
Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 08, 2014 07:17 AM (u82oZ)
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Now that the map is gone, we could just treat it like an open thread.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 11:15 AM (wMsMv)
The map isn't gone for me.
Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 08, 2014 07:17 AM (bCEmE)
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Map is not plaid, your argument is invalid.
Posted by: alexthechick - come for the Global Warming stay for the SMOD at March 08, 2014 07:18 AM (Gk3SS)
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Word on the other thread that the missing airliner did send out an SOS requesting an emergency landing prior to disappearing. Apparently the USA picked it up and has informed Chinese authorities.
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 08, 2014 07:18 AM (ZshNr)
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Are we back online? Page would not load forever.
That's some refactory period we got going on here.
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 08, 2014 07:19 AM (BAS5M)
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whoa
these margins remind me of kim karashian's ass
Posted by: navycopjoe at March 08, 2014 07:19 AM (At8tV)
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I've taken some heat from twitter that the image is too congested with data, and I assure you that the next map I make will be even larger to avoid crowding.
Posted by: CAC at March 08, 2014 07:19 AM (XaTJd)
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So.. what does this thread look like on a phone browser?? lol
I've got a 24" wide screen and it doesn't fit!
I've got a 24" wide screen and it doesn't fit!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 08, 2014 07:20 AM (b/lt+)
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Lincoln - Any mention of the source of that 'SOS' information?
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 07:21 AM (aDwsi)
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whoa
these margins remind me of kim karashian's ass
these margins remind me of kim karashian's ass
Posted by: navycopjoe at March 08, 2014 11:19 AM (At8tV)
"That's no moon."
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 08, 2014 07:21 AM (BAS5M)
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NO Democrat can win statewide office in Texas--yet.
But it was super fun watching my intellectual betters in NY/CA flush their money away on her. Don't mess with Texas, bitches.
Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 07:21 AM (9PXzx)
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20 years is too small to see the impact of the wave of illegals.
Illegals can't vote. And their children can't vote until they turn 18. And people in the 20s tend to be too lazy to vote.
So a wave of millions of illegals don't necessarily change the voting patterns of a region for 20-30+ years after the wave occurs.
But when that wave hits it is huge.
And that's what the Left is dreaming about.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 07:22 AM (ZPrif)
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Abbott-60%
Davis-40%
That's my predict.....
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2014 07:22 AM (v7+/1)
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89 "That's no moon."
just as long as we don't have to see 'the full power' of her ass
Posted by: navycopjoe at March 08, 2014 07:22 AM (At8tV)
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After watching Greta intereview Sarah Palin last night, I received the following coded message:
"The maverick is running in the field"
Repeat
"The maverick is running in the field"
"The maverick is running in the field"
Repeat
"The maverick is running in the field"
Posted by: mrp at March 08, 2014 07:23 AM (JBggj)
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Maybe I'm the weird one.
In Firefox,on this thread;
Margins are back to normal
Map is gone
Masthead is missing
And I didn't do or change anything from when we first started with the pluto pixel looking map.
It all just suddenly went to almost normal, and you guys still see a map?
In Firefox,on this thread;
Margins are back to normal
Map is gone
Masthead is missing
And I didn't do or change anything from when we first started with the pluto pixel looking map.
It all just suddenly went to almost normal, and you guys still see a map?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 07:23 AM (wMsMv)
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90 NO Democrat can win statewide office in Texas--yet.
I could move there and take over in months
but my Empire of Texas would totally rock
Posted by: navycopjoe at March 08, 2014 07:23 AM (At8tV)
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It all just suddenly went to almost normal, and you guys still see a map?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 11:23 AM (wMsMv)
Yep...and I'm using FF too.
Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 08, 2014 07:24 AM (bCEmE)
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The source here was Jean the commenter, not sure of original source.
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 08, 2014 07:24 AM (ZshNr)
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True, Fltabush, but there were a lot of illegals here 20 years ago whose babies are all growed up now. The fact the GOP is holding it's own in a heavy Hispanic part of the state to this day is really something.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2014 07:24 AM (v7+/1)
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Gives a whole new perspective on Luke's attack vector in the original Star Wars movie.
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 08, 2014 07:26 AM (BAS5M)
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Lots of the info we were posting on the missing jet come from Airliners.net
They are now up to their fourth thread concerning this event.
They are now up to their fourth thread concerning this event.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 07:28 AM (wMsMv)
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Posted by: CAC at March 08, 2014 11:19 AM (XaTJd)
Can't you just move the second map to below the first? Have the arrow point down, and all will be peaceful in Marginworld.
Can't you just move the second map to below the first? Have the arrow point down, and all will be peaceful in Marginworld.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2014 07:28 AM (QFxY5)
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100 Gives a whole new perspective on Luke's attack vector in the original Star Wars movie.
kayne west destroyed that 'moon' for all men already
Posted by: navycopjoe at March 08, 2014 07:29 AM (At8tV)
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whoa
there is a second map
what the hell?
Posted by: navycopjoe at March 08, 2014 07:30 AM (At8tV)
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Someone needs to get this CAC fellow some image editing software.
Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at March 08, 2014 07:30 AM (Dwehj)
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I liked seeing these maps off twitter last night, but I was on my iPad. As someone who lived the transition of TX from blue to red, it's cool to see it county by county. Like rick Perry, I grew up in a moderate Dem family, and called myself a Democrat until the 90's, even though I've voted Repub in every presidential election of my life, starting with Gerald Ford. My parents were delegates to the '68 Chicago convention and were thoroughly disgusted. My whole family is Republican now, but it took awhile to make the transition official.
Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 07:31 AM (9PXzx)
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True, Fltabush, but there were a lot of illegals here 20 years ago whose babies are all growed up now. The fact the GOP is holding it's own in a heavy Hispanic part of the state to this day is really something.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2014 11:24 AM (v7+/1)
Ding ding ding!
And so long as the mass migration of Republicans into the state continues (and that trend is confirmed unlike the D hypothetical), a surge in hispanic Democratic votes (which, by the way, we did NOT see from 1986 to 2012 in Texas as one would have expected from the last amnesty) won't really mean much. The Democrats have continuously lost ground, despite their best efforts in the Lone Star State. Their advantage in the metro areas has inverted, they've made no gains in the heavily-hispanic border counties, and their Democratic dominance of the rural mass of the state is a fading memory.
Posted by: CAC at March 08, 2014 07:31 AM (XaTJd)
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An Elizabeth Warren / Wendy Davis ticket in 2016 can't lose!
Posted by: Meanwhile, In a Left Wing Bubble at March 08, 2014 07:31 AM (yhJhK)
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@76
After going to kid link I found this link to old twins story we discussed yesterday.
Look at how awful these girl's lips look. Might feel good on my dick, but, ugly!
http://tinyurl.com/orkkljp
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 07:32 AM (0FSuD)
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I would think Texas Hispanics would be good Republican. They are religious, aka Catholic, anti abortion and hard working, aka pay taxes.
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 07:34 AM (0FSuD)
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Much better. This is the way to handle big images. Click to embiggen.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 07:34 AM (ZPrif)
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Andy to the rescue.....again.
Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 08, 2014 07:36 AM (bCEmE)
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Wifey just brought me in a Red Velvet cake for my birthday tomorrow.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 07:36 AM (T2V/1)
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What Sorcerer's power was used to remove the enwidening spell ?
We must ensure that power like that is used only for the forces of Good.
We must ensure that power like that is used only for the forces of Good.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 07:38 AM (wMsMv)
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From Kardashian-sized to Paris Hilton-sized.
Posted by: Count de Monet at March 08, 2014 07:39 AM (BAS5M)
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Where'd everybody go?
Oh, there y'all are.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 08, 2014 07:39 AM (0HooB)
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Oh... a map. I thought it was going to be a picture of her pooping on a midget, or feeding cocaine to kittens or something.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 08, 2014 07:40 AM (BeSEI)
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It's even worse than that.
She lost the Valley counties that Obama won to a pro-life dem challenger who didn't even fundraise.
Texas hispanics don't like Abortion Barbie.
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 07:40 AM (hFL/3)
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I could move there and take over in months
but my Empire of Texas would totally rock
Posted by: navycopjoe at March 08, 2014 11:23 AM (At8tV)
That's the kind of Dem takeover I could live with. To have idiots like Wendy and Sheila Jackson Lee ruling me--not so much.
Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 07:41 AM (9PXzx)
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Happy Near-Birfday, Vic.
Have your own Cake Girl, do you?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 08, 2014 07:41 AM (0HooB)
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Vic gets all the candles lit, and suddenly there is detectable proof of Global Warming.
Coincidence?
Coincidence?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 08, 2014 07:41 AM (wMsMv)
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I agree it's a good sign that Texas is holding it's own. But the hispanic-dominated South Texas is solid Democrat and will grow a lot in the future.
I'd like to see demographic data. Seems like Texas has done what many Southern states have done -- Repubs win because they get a huge % of the white vote.
I'm not an eeyore on the future of Texas. But it seems like Repubs might have already peaked with the white vote, while the hispanic vote will keep growing in the future. And that's even without Amnesty.
The good news is the Dems have been less effective in creating a nearly impervious ethnic voting block with hispanics like they have done with the black vote. There isn't the infrastructure of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Obama style race-baiters. There isn't an equivalently strong epithet like Uncle Tom to try and keep the hispanic vote in line.
Still, the one voting bloc guaranteed to grow sharply in Texas in the future is the one that skews solidly Democrat.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 07:42 AM (ZPrif)
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3-4 topics ago:
For those looking to increase the size of the horde.
http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/
For those looking to increase the size of the horde.
http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/
Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2014 07:42 AM (DL2i+)
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Flatbush you make some good points. Here in NC we get 80% of the white male votes. So if you see a white guy with a Obama sticker on his car you know he's driving a Prius and is ghey, that or a union thug from out of state,
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 07:44 AM (0FSuD)
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Flatbrush Joe,
See my earlier comment.
The Valley rejected Davis. Hard. 2/3s of Hispanics in Texas self identify as pro-life.
These folks voted for a completely unknown challenger instead of Davis, who had focused nearly all of her energy and fundraising down in the Valley. They rejected her.
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 07:47 AM (hFL/3)
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Those hicks in Texas obviously don't consider a baby as punishment. What a bunch of ignorant rubes.
Posted by: Wendi Dabis at March 08, 2014 07:47 AM (Dwehj)
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They still voted Dem, though. Most likely, they just wanted a pro-life socialist.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 07:50 AM (ZPrif)
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Davis really is an especially poor candidate. Obscure state pol whose only claim to fame is abortion rooting.
That's not a Hell of a lot to build a campaign of any kind on.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2014 07:50 AM (v7+/1)
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126 That's the kind of Dem takeover I could live with.
my platform for texas gov
1. mine the border
2. open everywhere for oil production and build some refineries
3. empty out death row by making all case go straight to the TSC then straight to pay per view
4. slash the corp tax to bring even more jobs
5. school vouchers
6. if the feds don't like it...start up the secede order
7. kick jim jones the hell out of the state
Posted by: navycopjoe at March 08, 2014 07:51 AM (At8tV)
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There's tons of polling data. Mexican immigrants (and their Mex-American children) are most pretty pro socialism.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 07:51 AM (ZPrif)
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113 I would think Texas Hispanics would be good Republican. They are religious, aka Catholic, anti abortion and hard working, aka pay taxes.
Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 11:34 AM (0FSuD)
They are more Repub here than in most other states. Almost half of them voted for Bush for governor, but that percentage has decreased in recent elections. Bush, Perry, and most of the other Repubs used to sell themselves effectively to the Hispanic constituents, speaking Spanish to them and such, but now it's uncool to do that. It pisses off Michelle Malkin.
Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 07:51 AM (9PXzx)
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"...My whole family is Republican now, but it took awhile to make the transition official. ..." —stace
Like much of rural Oklahoma, it's not so much that the Republicans have done so well at attractively representing their ideals as that the Democrats have gone so repulsively far the other direction.
Posted by: mindful webworker the fool at March 08, 2014 07:52 AM (uHgI5)
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142 the Democrats have gone so repulsively far the other direction.
yep
that about sums it up
Posted by: navycopjoe at March 08, 2014 07:54 AM (At8tV)
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Yeah, the Abortion Barbie Dem is a poor fit for Texas hispanics.
If I were a democrat strategist I'd say ditch the baby-killing and keep the socialism.
Or at least mask the baby-killing in "women's health" bloviage. Pull a Clinton. Talk about safe, legal and rare while supporting policies that make it legal, subsidized and common.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 07:54 AM (ZPrif)
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144 Pull a Clinton. Talk about safe, legal and rare while supporting policies that make it legal, subsidized and common.
we in the business call that 'lie'
Posted by: navycopjoe at March 08, 2014 07:55 AM (At8tV)
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I live in Texas and i keep saying this over and over because it can't be stressed strongly enough, if you think Texas is a safe red state you're whistling past the graveyard. That bit of info at the top about Republicans working for a generation to turn Texas red? Yeah, Democrats are doing that now and they've been at it since W's first win in 2000, that people are just now noticing it tells you how far behind the curve Republicans are on Texas. White and Davis are the most Dems have put into candidates since Richards, they're just finding their way right now but eventually they'll get a winner and Republicans will wonder what the hell happened because they refused to see the work Dems are doing in Texas right now. And ignoring the big urban counties is the fastest way to lose Texas, eventually they'll outnumber the rural votes.
Posted by: booger at March 08, 2014 07:56 AM (xRDdL)
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"137 They still voted Dem, though. Most likely, they just wanted a pro-life socialist."
Well it was the Dem primary...
That said, those folks are not going to be voting for Davis in the general, so the net effect is that the Valley will be redder this cycle than last.
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 07:57 AM (hFL/3)
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138 Davis really is an especially poor candidate. Obscure state pol whose only claim to fame is abortion rooting.
That's not a Hell of a lot to build a campaign of any kind on.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2014 11:50 AM (v7+/1)
Yes. Bill White was actually a fantastic candidate--well liked personally even by Repubs, stable family (Davis is unmarried with two divorces), competent executive, business background, but Perry easily beat him, even though Perry fatigue had been setting in. Davis comparatively has nothing going for her but out of state celebrity money and good looks. Of course, that worked for Obama, but he is an excellent campaigner.
Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 08:00 AM (9PXzx)
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Right, the Repub strategy of maximizing rural votes works ... up to a point. But once you start getting 80-90% of the rural vote you quickly hit diminishing returns. Those counties aren't growing. The votes aren't there. Meanwhile a million left-wing hipsters move to Austin. (I'm exaggerating to make a point.)
Chasing the rural vote is a bit of a trap. You win at first, but then you are stuck with a strategy that maxes out pretty quickly. And then the Left characterizes the Repubs as a party of old, right-wing rubes in the sticks.
The % of the country that is urbanized keeps growing.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 08:01 AM (ZPrif)
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I want ncj to be our next governor after Abbott.
Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 08:03 AM (9PXzx)
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....the Democrats have gone so repulsively far the other direction.
Posted by: mindful web worker at March 08, 2014 11:52 AM
Don't you recall the Obama-ites telling moderate Democrats that they didn't need them for their "new" coalition in 2008? They were thrown out so now those voters vote Indy (mostly R) or R. I had never heard of a political party throwing out 30-40% of their voters before. It's the new math.
Don't you recall the Obama-ites telling moderate Democrats that they didn't need them for their "new" coalition in 2008? They were thrown out so now those voters vote Indy (mostly R) or R. I had never heard of a political party throwing out 30-40% of their voters before. It's the new math.
Posted by: Lester at March 08, 2014 08:04 AM (2UPXV)
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150 I want ncj to be our next governor after Abbott.
emperor
I plan to take over the surrounding areas too
and bomb California....a lot....just because I can
Posted by: navycopjoe at March 08, 2014 08:05 AM (At8tV)
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146 I live in Texas and i keep saying this over and over because it can't be stressed strongly enough, if you think Texas is a safe red state you're whistling past the graveyard.
Posted by: booger at March 08, 2014 11:56 AM (xRDdL)
I've never been to Texas, but I agree 100%. The demographics are not on our side. And consider the people who are moving there from failed D states like California. They have an unfortunate tendency to bring their voting habits with them.
Posted by: rickl at March 08, 2014 08:06 AM (sdi6R)
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"Those counties aren't growing"
You couldn't be more wrong. One of the fastest growing counties in the country is Hays Co.
Just outside of Austin, but it's like entering another country.
Very, very conservative.
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 08:07 AM (hFL/3)
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If Bill White were the worst thing the Rat Party could beset us with the country would be in far better shape today.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2014 08:07 AM (v7+/1)
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Right, Abortion Barbie has no chance. I'm not saying she does.
I'm talking about the future. Dems will correct and offer a non-Abortion Uber Alles candidate. I'm talking 2020+.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 08:07 AM (ZPrif)
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Just outside of Austin isn't really rural, that's more exurban.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 08:08 AM (ZPrif)
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The % of the country that is urbanized keeps growing.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 12:01 PM (ZPrif)
All very true, however, CAC's maps show that the suburbs are exploding, and they vote red. I could be wrong but it seems to me that the inner urban Democrat core doesn't have much room to grow, but the suburbs have unlimited potential. Rural is indeed declining as a percent and has been for years. . Related, I once examined a list of the zip codes in my area that have the highest numbers of CHLs, which I think can be a loose proxy for voting habits, and it was the high growth outer suburbs with the higher numbers of CHLs
Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 08:10 AM (9PXzx)
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You can look at Northern Virginia to see how this plays out.
What once were "rural" counties grew insanely fast the past two decades. They were know for how conservative they were.
But now they are exurban/suburban DC counties.
And they were transformed from super conservative to swing to solid Obama voters in under 20 years.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 08:10 AM (ZPrif)
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And I'm saying the idea that Texas is only growing blue isn't the reality.
I just checked, and Hays county is the 3rd fastest growing county in the country.
And most of that growth is in the cities of Kyle and Buda which are even *more* conservative than the college town of San Marcos that is also in the county.
There is real suburban growth happening in Texas. And that very much leans Republican.
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 08:11 AM (hFL/3)
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I had never heard of a political party throwing out 30-40% of their voters before. It's the new math.
Posted by: Lester at March 08, 2014 12:04 PM (2UPXV)
The Republican Party seems willing to jettison both social and fiscal conservatives. Apparently we're nuisances or something.
Posted by: rickl at March 08, 2014 08:11 AM (sdi6R)
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and bomb California....a lot....just because I can
Posted by: navycopjoe at March 08, 2014 12:05 PM (At8tV)
Ok. emperor--just cuz I like your plan.
Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 08:12 AM (9PXzx)
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One of the best predictors of voting is density. The more dense a county is the more it votes Democrat.
So a Republican leaning county that is growing super fast does not mean that will just be a bigger Republican voting bloc in the future.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 08:12 AM (ZPrif)
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Perhaps the southern border of Texas is the Neuces River after all - red Texas, at least.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 08, 2014 08:13 AM (HsTG8)
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"Don't you recall the Obama-ites telling moderate Democrats that they didn't need them for their "new" coalition in 2008? They were thrown out so now those voters vote Indy (mostly R) or R. I had never heard of a political party throwing out 30-40% of their voters before. It's the new math."
Math is irrelevant when you have a highly effective fraud machine strategically placed in a few key urban centers of high EV swing states.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 08, 2014 08:14 AM (gBnkX)
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O/T
It's only 11:15 but I'm having a beer. I don't hare who it hair lips either.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2014 08:16 AM (v7+/1)
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"So a Republican leaning county that is growing super fast does not mean that will just be a bigger Republican voting bloc in the future.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 12:12 PM (ZPrif)"
Maybe I missed where this was covered, but doesn't the chart show that the big urban areas seem to be shifting red?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 08, 2014 08:17 AM (gBnkX)
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Texas Repubs are doing a good job holding onto the suburban vote. For now.
These trends play out over decades. Virginia and North Carolina are good examples of how the Dems win in the South.
They start with an ethnic voting bloc (blacks) and an urban voting bloc (cities). Then they expand out from college towns and capitol cities, hitting the inner suburbs. Repubs flee to the outer suburbs.
But the Left gets that lock on the urban core, then the inner burbs and keeps pushing. It's like having the high ground. Having the urban core on lock-down is a huge strategic advantage.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 08:17 AM (ZPrif)
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158
All very true, however, CAC's maps show that the suburbs are exploding, and they vote red.
Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 12:10 PM (9PXzx)
NO. THEY. DON'T.
Sorry, didn't mean to yell, but that's a sore spot for me. See the suburban Philadelphia counties. They were staunchly Republican 20-30 years ago, but are now purple at best. My own county went for Obama both times.
Posted by: rickl at March 08, 2014 08:17 AM (sdi6R)
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"157 Just outside of Austin isn't really rural, that's more exurban"
No. They are rural areas that have seen incredible growth in the past 10 years because many developers have started building master planned communities all over the abundant rural land.
You can still get a USDA loan out there, and the towns are self sustaining small towns.
Regardless, how you define it really doesn't matter. The point is that conservative Texas is growing. Period.
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 08:19 AM (Lre/J)
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168. Very succinct. (Charlotte native who has lived in inner-beltway NoVa for 14 years, here.)
Posted by: LadyS at March 08, 2014 08:20 AM (tMTsS)
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Repubs in North Carolina and Virginia both won, for a while, playing the strategy of sacrificing the urban cores and maxing out the rural vote. And that worked. For a while. Until it didn't. Because the urban cores kept growing. And the inner burbs kept growing.
But the rural counties mostly weren't. And the ones that were growing were turned into exurban high growth areas and the Dems made big inroads to the votes.
I'm not saying Texas is at risk today or tomorrow. I think Texas is solid Repub for many, many years to come.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 08:21 AM (ZPrif)
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I mean, look at the damn map. The Red is spreading, not the Blue.
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 08:22 AM (Lre/J)
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I don't discount at all the growing Hispanic and carpet-bagger population as threats. My thing is that all while facing serious threats already in place that the GOP as a state entity has persevered extremely well. Seeing counties in South Texas which are 60% Hispanic go for Romney is shocking to me.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2014 08:23 AM (v7+/1)
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Math is irrelevant when you have a highly effective fraud machine strategically placed in a few key urban centers of high EV swing states.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 08, 2014 12:14 PM (gBnkX)
Which is why the Dems were so desperate to stop voter ID, which we FINALLY have in TX, and why Obama keeps siccing Holder on us. It's also why True the Vote in Houston was attacked by the IRS, ATF and OSHA.
BTW, I agree with those here saying TX is NOT safe in the long run, and we can't complacent. It is heartening in the short term though to see those big red suburbs/exurbs with explosive growth.
As long as so much of our economy here is tied up in oil and gas, I can't see our exurbs going the way of NoVA's, where the economy is based on working for the Federal government and NGOs, or lobbying. Modern Democrats HATE fossil fuels. They didn't used to be that way, but that's who they are now.
Nothing lasts forever though.
Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 08:23 AM (9PXzx)
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Am I reading this map wrong or does someone have some contradictory data?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 08, 2014 08:24 AM (gBnkX)
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The only thing that could legitimately turn Texas blue would be if all the "undocumented immigrants" were suddenly able to vote. Which is why it's so great that the Republicans are pushing so hard for it. *hits head on desk*
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 08:25 AM (Lre/J)
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OT - last night / this morning looking for even a tidbit of info on the missing airliner; it's apparent that all the current news channels really, really suck at covering 'the news'.
Two or three years ago, at least CNN was passable on breaking news, but CNN, CNN HL, FNS, and MSDNC all really, really suck.
Did I already mention they really, really suck.
Granted Friday Night/Saturday Morning isn't even B team time, but there are no future Bernie Shaws out there. D-team with minimal behind the camera/editoral staff.
Two or three years ago, at least CNN was passable on breaking news, but CNN, CNN HL, FNS, and MSDNC all really, really suck.
Did I already mention they really, really suck.
Granted Friday Night/Saturday Morning isn't even B team time, but there are no future Bernie Shaws out there. D-team with minimal behind the camera/editoral staff.
Posted by: phreshone at March 08, 2014 08:26 AM (Q6pxP)
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Yeah, if you are familiar with NoVa you can look at the past 20 years of votes in places like Loudoun and Prince William counties to see how this shift can happen quite rapidly. And all because of fast, rapid growth. Which brings in huge #s of new voters.
Over and over again we see that greater density leads to more Democrat votes.
Look at Colorado, look at Virginia, look at North Carolina.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 08:27 AM (ZPrif)
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I'm not an expert on Texas, but wouldn't it stand to reason that Mexican men who emigrate to Texas in order to WORK would be more "conservative" than Mexicans who emigrate to Texas in order to collect benefits? The Dems game plan is to flood Texas with the latter. Also, as someone pointed out, there is no Sharpton/ Jackson-led grievance industry that can be tapped into, and on a related note, maybe Mexicans don't want to vote with blacks...
Posted by: JoeyBagels at March 08, 2014 08:27 AM (6By3t)
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There's a been a somewhat effective effort here to recruit Repub Hispanics into office. I think it's vital for our survival to keep that up, contra the out of state purists who say everything we do should be completely color-blind.
Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 08:28 AM (9PXzx)
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The left uses a pretty standard playbook, because it's worked in so many states and metros.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 08:29 AM (ZPrif)
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Posted by: rickl at March 08, 2014 12:06 PM (sdi6R)
Exactly. Dallas started turning blue in the mid 90's, but it was the influx from other states in the past 10 years that turned it solid blue. And Lauren's right that the suburbs are growing and are solid R, but suburbs are mainly about development and things being shiny and new, once the development maxes out in a suburb and things start getting a little long in the tooth the people who made that suburb what it is leave for greener pastures and that once shiny, new R suburb gets swallowed up by the old, dingy D city it was trying to escape.
Posted by: booger at March 08, 2014 08:31 AM (xRDdL)
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Again, look at he map. That's not what's happening in Texas. The type of person who comes to Texas is different than the type who goes to Colorado or Virginia, or even North Carolina.
Colorado and North Carolina are beautiful. Virginia is pleasant, and of course has the government behemoth.
We have nothing attractive to offer but freedom and prosperity. Oh sure, Hill Country is pretty-ish, but lets not fool ourselves. Summer in Texas is hell. Spring in Texas is deadly. Winter in Texas is grey. Fall in Texas is boring.
You come her because of opportunity, and that translates into conservatism.
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 08:31 AM (Lre/J)
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I was told a long time ago by a Latino (not Mexican) gentleman that Hispanics who live in urban areas in the north emulate blacks--in that they aped all the bad habits and dysfunction of the black community--and that Hispanics who lived and worked with whites--emulated whites. Maybe a good portion of Mexican Texans get conservatism by being around it....
Posted by: JoeyBagels at March 08, 2014 08:32 AM (6By3t)
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20 years ago a Republican in Virginia likely would have been encouraged to see so many people moving into the solid Republican exurban counties in Northern Virginia. Now the Republicans try to limit how badly they lose in those counties -- oh, great news, we only lost by 15%!
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 08:34 AM (ZPrif)
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"Maybe a good portion of Mexican Texans get conservatism by being around it...."
Well it's not just "being around it" it's also that we're all literally family. I don't think I can name a single person I know who doesn't have a hispanic branch to their family tree. That includes me, btw.
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 08:34 AM (Lre/J)
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Look at Colorado, look at Virginia, look at North Carolina.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 12:27 PM (ZPrif)
No argument--that's scary stuff. At least NC seems to be reverting somewhat, at least for the moment.
I don't know what the answer is to keeping the dense areas from turning blue.
Job creation is much better in many of the red states, but nowadays jobs are seen as a bug, not a feature, and a national news/entertainment complex that flies cover for the job destroyers does not help.
Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 08:34 AM (9PXzx)
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You beat me to it Lauren.
Californians move to Colorado for the lifestyle, they move to Texas for family and to get away from California. (Except for those who shop at Central Market, they're straight out of West LA / SF - they make me ill)
Californians move to Colorado for the lifestyle, they move to Texas for family and to get away from California. (Except for those who shop at Central Market, they're straight out of West LA / SF - they make me ill)
Posted by: phreshone at March 08, 2014 08:35 AM (Q6pxP)
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Well, until the govt started handing out benefits for being "hispanic", most hispanics just ... became white.
Thank you, Richard Nixon. Yay, ethnic separatism.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 08:36 AM (ZPrif)
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Texas is not Northern Virginia. Why did people move to Northern Virginia? Government work.
Shocking that they are liberals.
Also, Hays county is not Loudoun county. Hays is very solidly middle class. Loudoun is one of the richest counties in the country.
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 08:38 AM (Lre/J)
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In today's insane racial bean-counting, a 100% pure-bred Conquistador American Spaniard is an oppressed minority.
Sofia Vergara -- looks like ... a brunette chick to me. There's a hundred million women across Europe that look like less hot versions of her
But she's officially "hispanic" so not white. Or something. It's stupid.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 08:41 AM (ZPrif)
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Had family in Cali move to Idaho and Colorado about 15 years ago. They worked in the defense industry before retiring and moving out but they made a killing upon selling their housing and buying in the new places.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2014 08:41 AM (v7+/1)
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190, that's a very good point. Most hispanics are mostly "white", but identify as Hispanics. But then, it's the mostly white education establishment that teaches them to consider themselves non-white.
Posted by: JoeyBagels at March 08, 2014 08:41 AM (6By3t)
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192, it gets better. Vergara is a natural blonde who colors her hair to look more Hispanic..
Posted by: JoeyBagels at March 08, 2014 08:43 AM (6By3t)
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Er, agree with the Hispanic classification as being ridiculous that is.
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 08:43 AM (Lre/J)
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Yeah, there is a fair amount of intermingling among the white and Hispanic populations. I don't know if people will classify the two so distinctly in 50 years time.
I use to have a native Texas Mexican gal named Hanley working for me. At the local BK where I stop for breakfast sometimes the morning girl is a pasty ginger with a strong Spanish accent.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2014 08:44 AM (v7+/1)
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I've made it clear that I'm talking about the future, not today. Hays County is only recently booming as Austin and San Antonio grow into one giant metro area.
Many other cities have done it in the past. These trends take decades.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 08:44 AM (ZPrif)
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If it was up to me, I'd get rid of the Hispanic/Latino check box on all gov't forms...
Posted by: JoeyBagels at March 08, 2014 08:44 AM (6By3t)
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And don't get me wrong, the last thing I think we should be is complacent. We need to do active outreach in the valley and all over. Don't rest on our laurels, by any means.
But the rumors of our demise are greatly exaggerated.
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 08:45 AM (Lre/J)
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Lauren, the trends in NoVa are a bit more complicated than "government work=liberals." There is massive illegal immigration here too, and a huge presence of military personnel. The Long March through the institutions has been a winner for the Left, nearly everywhere. But people who don't live in NoVa over-simplify what's in play here.
Gotta make my kids some lunch.
Posted by: LadyS at March 08, 2014 08:46 AM (tMTsS)
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There is so much intermingling that it's ridiculous that a kid with German/Irish/Italian/Cuban blood can called "Latino" and be eligible for all kinds of free shit...
Posted by: JoeyBagels at March 08, 2014 08:46 AM (6By3t)
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I don't know what the answer is to keeping the dense areas from turning blue.
Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 12:34 PM (9PXzx)
I agree with Flatbush Joe's analysis. I don't think it's possible to stop it in the long run.
America was mostly frontier wilderness when it was founded. It was populated by individualists who wanted to make their own way in the world without someone telling them what to do.
But as the population grows denser, more and more government is needed to mediate disputes, make rules, police crime, etc. And people tend to want more amenities that government provides.
All of the older, settled cultures in the world have strong centralized governments, and the people regard it as normal. Even the so-called "conservative" parties in Europe don't want to roll back government to any meaningful degree. They merely argue that they can administer the government machinery better than the leftist parties.
Concepts like limited government and individual liberty are very rare in the world. They probably require something like frontier conditions to thrive, which is why I support the colonization of Mars.
Posted by: rickl at March 08, 2014 08:50 AM (sdi6R)
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There are too many firewalls to join San Antonio and Austin into a liberal juggernaut.
Let's take New Braunfels for example (Comal Co)
Votes cast in the Republican primary: 14,786
Votes cast in the Democratic primary: 1,678
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 08:51 AM (Lre/J)
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Well if they are Republican then the media will be sure to call them "half-hispanic"
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 08:52 AM (ZPrif)
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Just like Obama is half-black right?
Oh wait...
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 08:53 AM (Lre/J)
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I don't mind 100F. It's home. I'm use to it.
And it helps keep the riff-raff at a distance.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2014 08:54 AM (v7+/1)
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ll very true, however, CAC's maps show that the suburbs are exploding, and they vote red.
Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 12:10 PM (9PXzx)
No- IN TEXAS they are.
Two key words there: IN. TEXAS.
Texas has been a complete anomaly over the last 25 years. In PA, FL, MI, OH, VA, CA, NJ, NY, IL, MN it's been the opposite.
Posted by: CAC at March 08, 2014 08:54 AM (q4Dnr)
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There's a been a somewhat effective effort here to recruit Repub
Hispanics into office. I think it's vital for our survival to keep that
up, contra the out of state purists who say everything we do should be
completely color-blind.
People moving to Texas to avoid Hispanics... haven't been paying attention.
People moving to Texas to avoid Hispanics... haven't been paying attention.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 08, 2014 08:55 AM (XO6WW)
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I'm not saying Texas is doomed. I'm saying the threat is very real and the overarching trend, city after city, state after state, is more density=more left-wing voters.
Texas has a huge advantage in that it has tons of empty land and liberal zoning policies.
The Left knows this fact about density. It's why they do everything they can to support and increase density. It's why they hate roads and cars and love mass transit. It's why they hate McMansions and love apartments. It's why they try to impose "Urban Growth Boundaries". It's why they try to make as much land as possible off-limits for development by making it federal land or a state park. It's why they declare every tiny creek a precious wetland that cannot be disturbed or Mother Earth will die.
Everything they do is to force people to live as densely packed as possible -- cause they know that means people will start voting more left-wing.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 08:57 AM (ZPrif)
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Agreed, RK.
I think the 100 degree weather and the tornadoes are part of what has kept Texas red. I'm not even joking.
Texas isn't for sissies.
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 08:57 AM (Lre/J)
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Consider that Montgomery County PA, Delaware County PA, and Bucks County PA used to be Republican bastions in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. By the 1990s they swung blue and haven't swung back in Presidential races.
Meanwhile the complete opposite happened in Texas.
Also consider that the largest county by total votes in Texas- Harris- cast 1 in 7 votes. It barely voted for Obama by 900 votes. .08% margin.
In Pennsylvania, the largest county by total votes, Philadelphia, went to Obama by >70% margin.
Posted by: CAC at March 08, 2014 09:00 AM (q4Dnr)
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The Left knows this fact about density. It's why they do everything they can to support and increase density. It's why they hate roads and cars and love mass transit. It's why they hate McMansions and love apartments.
This right here x1000, should be repeated over and over and over. A big trend right now among liberals is to make cities *walkable*, they frame it in all sorts of pleasant ways but the entire point of it is to keep people trapped in that dense, urban environment.
Posted by: booger at March 08, 2014 09:01 AM (xRDdL)
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Battleground Texas was fundamentally about making it -plausible- that they have 'all these new voters'.
Meaning: Pretend that there are a hundred officials of both parties combined overseeing key aspects of the voting. Pretend 10% are -radicals-, willing to do what it takes. That's -10- bodies of both parties. The red ones probably in red counties. The blue ones in blue counties.
Now pretend they manage to cheat their county by 10%. The little red counties: "Hey, instead of 47 voters, I had excellent turnout and had 55! (and the extra eight were all red, who knew?!?)"
But.
In the blue counties: "Hey, I had an extra 75,000 ballots! Woohooo! All blue! Just let me get them from my car!"
--
This may sound off the wall, but here in Washington State, there's -one- really major county (King), and two satellites (Pierce, Snohomish). King county always "votes last" - that is, they're always "still counting" after every other county has signed off on their totals. It's all "by mail", and the security (if you can even call it security) is lax. There -literally- was an incident where an official in King county "went to his car for more ballots" - after parking, unlocked, unsecured area.
This one county is completely off the scale of 'red-blue'. The county elections moved to "non-partisan" after the democrats couldn't win elections because all three of the greens, socialists, and rotating-whacky-party would out poll them. (Once the rotating group was the Marxist party IIRC).
In a deep red state like Texas, I imagine there are enough -state- observers to keep county shenanigans to a minimum. But in the blue states ... the number of people who have to lose their morals to completely screw that state's election is mighty low.
Meaning: Pretend that there are a hundred officials of both parties combined overseeing key aspects of the voting. Pretend 10% are -radicals-, willing to do what it takes. That's -10- bodies of both parties. The red ones probably in red counties. The blue ones in blue counties.
Now pretend they manage to cheat their county by 10%. The little red counties: "Hey, instead of 47 voters, I had excellent turnout and had 55! (and the extra eight were all red, who knew?!?)"
But.
In the blue counties: "Hey, I had an extra 75,000 ballots! Woohooo! All blue! Just let me get them from my car!"
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This may sound off the wall, but here in Washington State, there's -one- really major county (King), and two satellites (Pierce, Snohomish). King county always "votes last" - that is, they're always "still counting" after every other county has signed off on their totals. It's all "by mail", and the security (if you can even call it security) is lax. There -literally- was an incident where an official in King county "went to his car for more ballots" - after parking, unlocked, unsecured area.
This one county is completely off the scale of 'red-blue'. The county elections moved to "non-partisan" after the democrats couldn't win elections because all three of the greens, socialists, and rotating-whacky-party would out poll them. (Once the rotating group was the Marxist party IIRC).
In a deep red state like Texas, I imagine there are enough -state- observers to keep county shenanigans to a minimum. But in the blue states ... the number of people who have to lose their morals to completely screw that state's election is mighty low.
Posted by: Al at March 08, 2014 09:02 AM (9ynpo)
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" but the entire point of it is to keep people trapped in that dense, urban environment."
That's why I have land far away from town..........and I'm looking to get more.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2014 09:03 AM (v7+/1)
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I'm all for suburban sprawl, so long as the sprawl maintains what was nice about being AWAY from the city in the first place.
No fucking blazing street lights everywhere.
No 24/7 urban glow.
Dark skies.
The feel of the country without all of that urbane shit.
Posted by: CAC at March 08, 2014 09:05 AM (q4Dnr)
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Right, the Left wages a constant war on "Sprawl" as the most evil thing ever.
It's worked. Most people I know claim to hate Sprawl. Cause Sprawl is a horrible, evil thing that all right-thinking people hate.
Sprawl is what has saved the Right's bacon.
Texas' liberal zoning policies have allowed tons of Sprawl. Which helps Republicans.
In DC there is a huge road shortage. The Left has blocked the hated "2nd beltway" for decades. The DC burbs have gone sold Dem.
Meanwhile Houston is building their 3rd beltway and the Texas burbs are holding Repub.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 09:06 AM (ZPrif)
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North Carolina 2012 voter breakdown (Civitas)
http://www.carolinatransparency.com/votetracker/
The startling numbers for me:
Female voting percentage: 54.81%
Male voting percentage: 44.11%
And Romney took the state. Whoa.
http://www.carolinatransparency.com/votetracker/
The startling numbers for me:
Female voting percentage: 54.81%
Male voting percentage: 44.11%
And Romney took the state. Whoa.
Posted by: mrp at March 08, 2014 09:07 AM (JBggj)
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Texas also has a lot more land to sprawl out into than anywhere else.
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 09:09 AM (Lre/J)
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I think a lot of you are a little confused by the idea of "holding a county". Without trying to sound too cute and patronizing, land doesn't vote, people do. Demographics change, and the reason we're seeing a lot of suburban counties swing away from the GOP is that younger (35 and under) college educated voters do not want to be associated with the GOP brand. Without pointing fingers or starting another circular firing line (what fun!), the 2000 and 2004 elections helped turn a lot of people who should be reliable GOP voters (white, upper-middle class and middle class college educated white collar professionals) against the party. As older suburbanites die, younger, often former-urbanites move in to take their place.
Now, is there enough cultural inculcation against liberalism in Texas to mitigate this kind of damage? For a while, probably. At the same time, I don't think the GOP can take anything for granted.
Posted by: GOPPartyReptile at March 08, 2014 09:09 AM (YDG6j)
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"inculcation"
Here me an amateur wordnick and I've never, ever, heard or seen that one before.
"synonyms: instill in, implant in, fix in, impress in, imprint in; hammer into, drum into, drive into, drill into"
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2014 09:12 AM (v7+/1)
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Right, good points by Reptile. The demographics can change quickly, especially in the booming suburban counties that grew so fast the last few decades.
As for empty land. Most of America is empty land.
Texas has an advantage in that the land is flat and fairly easy to build on.
Northern Virginia's western burb counties (like Loudoun) still have tons of empty land. They've just declared it off-limits because a very effective anti-Sprawl campaign was launched by the Left.
Southern California is one of the few places where they really are kinda out of land and have built right up to the mountains. They still could build more on the hills, but that is harder.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 09:18 AM (ZPrif)
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224 It's what happens when I post while working, I guess? 
Posted by: GOPPartyReptile at March 08, 2014 09:18 AM (YDG6j)
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And Romney took the state. Whoa.
I don't think we can ever thank Bev Perdue enough for being such a terrible governor.
Posted by: mrp at March 08, 2014 01:07 PM (JBggj)
I don't think we can ever thank Bev Perdue enough for being such a terrible governor.
Posted by: phreshone at March 08, 2014 09:20 AM (Q6pxP)
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Southern California is one of the few places where they really are kinda out of land and have built right up to the mountains. They still could build more on the hills, but that is harder.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 01:18 PM (ZPrif)
The San Andreas and wildfires makes that a bit difficult. The Mojave too (thank God- I only need to drive 3 hours out of my way to get a nice dark sky, until they build that moronic solar heater in Desert Center).
Posted by: CAC at March 08, 2014 09:21 AM (q4Dnr)
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225 I agree with about 99% of what you've posted in this thread, Joe, (probably one Brooklyn guy to another digging what they're saying, heh), but in some ways I'm not sure the empty spaces will save the party. Look at Illinois; most of that state is wide open flat land. The counties tend to go GOP. However, the population center in and around Chicago is enough to make sure that Democratic Presidential candidates can pretty much put it in their back pocket and that GOP Senatorial candidates always face an uphill climb. California isn't that different in a lot of ways, either. The inland empire will pretty safely Republican. However, the population centers in places like LA County will make the state a killing field for a GOPer seeking statewide office.
Again, not saying that I see TX going the way of IL anytime soon. However, the county-unit system is (thankfully) dead. Just wracking up counties or tracks of land isn't enough to win states.
Posted by: GOPPartyReptile at March 08, 2014 09:24 AM (YDG6j)
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But obviously in highly urbanized areas, Repubs need to figure out a better sales pitch to those people.
And it's very hard. Cause in highly urbanized areas most of the people seem to mainly want more government services.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 09:25 AM (ZPrif)
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Well, yes, and the baby-killing thing.
Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at March 08, 2014 09:26 AM (dTh2r)
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Lauren's got it right. Texas is different. It's a magnet for people who want to work, keep what they earn, and have a decent life for their family without too much government and unions, or unionized government. What we don't know from the maps is how much of the population growth - which turned the suburban counties heavily Republican - consists of refugees from other states who were sick of the places they came from. It is entirely consistent that suburban Philly turned blue and suburban Dallas turned red, because natural Republicans left Pennsylvania for other places and natural Republicans moved here from other places.
And JoeyBagels, part of the secret sauce is that Texas is not a welfare magnet, and never will be. So if you're a Hispanic immigrant who wants to work, Texas is the place for you. If you don't want to work, go to California or further north. (I've actually got a theory that one of the things that makes Mexico suck so bad is that we are creaming off all the hard workers, ambitious, and goal-oriented, who look around them and say, why stay here? I can go to Texas and my family is far better off. So who stays behind are the people who don't have ambition, work ethic, etc.). Which means the Republican message in Texas resonates better with Hispanics than it does elsewhere.
Lauren got it right in an early post. It's the genius of the Constitution of 1876. A legislature that only meets for 6 months every other year and gets paid almost nothing cannot be a professional governing class. They are people who have jobs, small businesses, farms and ranches. They spend 3/4 of their terms living under the government they create in the other 1/4 of their terms. Institutionally, it is designed to keep government weak, and any Texan will tell you that the government that is most relevant in his or her life is the county. That, plus no income tax means less money siphoned off to Austin to spend.
And JoeyBagels, part of the secret sauce is that Texas is not a welfare magnet, and never will be. So if you're a Hispanic immigrant who wants to work, Texas is the place for you. If you don't want to work, go to California or further north. (I've actually got a theory that one of the things that makes Mexico suck so bad is that we are creaming off all the hard workers, ambitious, and goal-oriented, who look around them and say, why stay here? I can go to Texas and my family is far better off. So who stays behind are the people who don't have ambition, work ethic, etc.). Which means the Republican message in Texas resonates better with Hispanics than it does elsewhere.
Lauren got it right in an early post. It's the genius of the Constitution of 1876. A legislature that only meets for 6 months every other year and gets paid almost nothing cannot be a professional governing class. They are people who have jobs, small businesses, farms and ranches. They spend 3/4 of their terms living under the government they create in the other 1/4 of their terms. Institutionally, it is designed to keep government weak, and any Texan will tell you that the government that is most relevant in his or her life is the county. That, plus no income tax means less money siphoned off to Austin to spend.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at March 08, 2014 09:26 AM (HubSo)
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The inland empire will pretty safely Republican.
Posted by: GOPPartyReptile at March 08, 2014 01:24 PM (YDG6j)
I live in the I.E.
It voted for Obama by about 4-5% (can't remember the exact figure).
The problem is the people escape to the suburbs. Then the suburbs themselves become huge, and the pattern repeats.
My suburban city has nearly 200,000 people in it.
Posted by: CAC at March 08, 2014 09:27 AM (q4Dnr)
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Yeah, SoCal has no more room to build new suburbs. Which is why they've been building the new SoCal burbs in Phoenix.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 08, 2014 09:31 AM (ZPrif)
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"And it's very hard. Cause in highly urbanized areas most of the people seem to mainly want more government services."
Run on overturning the motherfucking plastic bag ban.
You'd get every pissed off woman in Austin to vote for you except for the stupid bitches who buy organic tv dinners every night from whole foods.
Seriously, that one stupid imposition makes literally every day of my life more difficult.
It's a winning issue for all, but I would think especially minorities and low income folks who have to deal with the inconvenience even more because they have to haul all those reusuable bags around on public transportation.
Posted by: Lauren at March 08, 2014 09:31 AM (Lre/J)
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233 Good point, CAC, but do you think some of the explanation for Obama carrying the IE is just how much Romney's goose was cooked than a sign of the IE tilting left? McCain, Bush, AH-NULD, Whitman and Fiorina all ran stronger in the region than did Romney, if memory serves. (And depending on how you define IE, I guess.) You are correct that it is starting to tilt Democratic. However, I think this has less to do with the idea that people in dense areas like liberal policies (though that's PART of it) and has more to do with the age and racial gaps that now plague the GOP.
Posted by: GOPPartyReptile at March 08, 2014 09:34 AM (YDG6j)
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233 Good point, CAC, but do you think some of the explanation for Obama carrying the IE is just how much Romney's goose was cooked than a sign of the IE tilting left? McCain, Bush, AH-NULD, Whitman and Fiorina all ran stronger in the region than did Romney, if memory serves. (And depending on how you define IE, I guess.) You are correct that it is starting to tilt Democratic. However, I think this has less to do with the idea that people in dense areas like liberal policies (though that's PART of it) and has more to do with the age and racial gaps that now plague the GOP.
Posted by: GOPPartyReptile at March 08, 2014 09:34 AM (YDG6j)
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I need to either get back to work or proof-read my posts, lol. Back to lurkin'...
Posted by: GOPPartyReptile at March 08, 2014 09:35 AM (YDG6j)
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G*d bless re-districting...and Tom Delay.
Posted by: furious_a at March 08, 2014 09:40 AM (8lw4l)
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233 Good point, CAC, but do you think some of the explanation for Obama carrying the IE is just how much Romney's goose was cooked than a sign of the IE tilting left? McCain, Bush, AH-NULD, Whitman and Fiorina all ran stronger in the region than did Romney, if memory serves. (And depending on how you define IE, I guess.) You are correct that it is starting to tilt Democratic. However, I think this has less to do with the idea that people in dense areas like liberal policies (though that's PART of it) and has more to do with the age and racial gaps that now plague the GOP.
Posted by: GOPPartyReptile at March 08, 2014 01:34 PM (YDG6j)
It has most of all to do with a feeling of hopelessness in voting Republican in the state now. Why bother.
Statewide we voted against Boxer, Brown, Harris in 2010. I consider Riverside and SB Counties to be the IE.
Posted by: CAC at March 08, 2014 09:50 AM (q4Dnr)
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Oh, and one other thing: There are a lot of illegal Hispanics in Texas. I have not seen it explained why we are not seeing a corresponding surge of Democrat voters like as has happened in CA.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 08, 2014 11:03 AM (VjL9S)
I comes down to the culture.
In California it is ulta-P.C. and all "multi-culti" diversity crap.
In Texas, there is more of an expectation for assimilation.
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 08, 2014 10:01 AM (XvHmy)
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Windy Davis was doomed because "Stoned with Windy, Stand with Gosnell..." will reach the average non tweeting Texan.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 08, 2014 11:06 AM (TE35l)
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If it hasn't already been pointed out: Once you go CAC you never go back.
Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at March 08, 2014 11:11 AM (2oU2+)
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243 jwpaine @PirateBallerina at March 08, 2014 03:11 PM (2oU2+)
I don't fly that high...
I'm just pretty fly for a moron guy.
I don't fly that high...
I'm just pretty fly for a moron guy.
Posted by: sven10077 at March 08, 2014 11:14 AM (TE35l)
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The RGV rejected Davis in the primary, but they will vote for her come November. They did the same thing with Obama and Clinton. Voting for HRC in the primary and hating barryO, they still voted for him in the general.
The politiqueros will take them to the polls and "help" them vote straight ticket.
Posted by: lonestar at March 08, 2014 11:26 AM (hUiTK)
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God Bless Texas , My Home Sweet Home !!!!!
Posted by: Extremely grumpy momma bear at March 08, 2014 12:43 PM (u/BSr)
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Late to the thread, but want to add that I was going to college in Texas
during the Anne Richards/Clayton Williams governor's race and that
really was an outlier. Because Clayton Williams was cruising to victory
until his idiotic rape "joke" ("The weather is a lot like rape -- if
it's inevitable, you should sit back, relax and enjoy it) that he was
not just stupid enough to say, but stupid enough to say to a gaggle of
reporters who were spending the day with him on his ranch! The tide
turned in Richards favor like a tsunami after that, and honestly,
deservedly so. If you don't have enough sense to refrain from making
rape jokes to reporters you don't have enough sense to be governor.
Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 08, 2014 03:11 PM (FDGeg)
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Late to the thread, but want to add that I was going to college in Texas
during the Anne Richards/Clayton Williams governor's race and that
really was an outlier. Because Clayton Williams was cruising to victory
until his idiotic rape "joke" ("The weather is a lot like rape -- if
it's inevitable, you should sit back, relax and enjoy it) that he was
not just stupid enough to say, but stupid enough to say to a gaggle of
reporters who were spending the day with him on his ranch! The tide
turned in Richards favor like a tsunami after that, and honestly,
deservedly so. If you don't have enough sense to refrain from making
rape jokes to reporters you don't have enough sense to be governor.
Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 08, 2014 07:11 PM (FDGeg)
TX switched parties in the Governor's mansion dramatically from the late 70s to the early 90s:
R p/u in 1978 (first R governor since reconstruction)
D p/u in 1982
R p/u in 1986
D p/u in 1990
R p/u in 1994
By the end of that 16 year shuffle, Republicans firmly won over "red" Texas. They were constantly teased there all the way up until 1994.
Posted by: CAC at March 08, 2014 03:27 PM (q4Dnr)
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So you all have convinced me that density is what matters in the long run, so the US will be doomed after TX is lost. The good thing is that I won't be around to see it, not that that makes me feel better about it.
Soooo. I see lots of young urbanites leaning libertarianish these days. Any way to work that? Just spitballin'.
I read that at SXSW a young "libertarian" panel was trying to come up with ways to thwart the "gun lobby". Sigh...
Is there any way those brats can be made to see that the gun "lobby" is We the People and the second amendment helps protect the other rights?
Posted by: stace at March 08, 2014 03:48 PM (7RvOV)
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Posted by: CAC at March 08, 2014 07:27 PM (q4Dnr)
I feel the need to clarify since you took the time to respond to me. When I used the word "outlier" I didn't mean it as regards former races/history of Texas governor races (so that probably was the wrong word to use). What I meant to get across was that Clayton Williams' idiotic rape joke was kind of a black swan event that changed the race so dramatically that it should be factored in when looking at the strength/popularity of the Dem and Republican parties in Texas at that time. IOW, if his only opponent had been Mickey Mouse on the Green ticket, Williams was going to lose that race after his "joke."
I feel the need to clarify since you took the time to respond to me. When I used the word "outlier" I didn't mean it as regards former races/history of Texas governor races (so that probably was the wrong word to use). What I meant to get across was that Clayton Williams' idiotic rape joke was kind of a black swan event that changed the race so dramatically that it should be factored in when looking at the strength/popularity of the Dem and Republican parties in Texas at that time. IOW, if his only opponent had been Mickey Mouse on the Green ticket, Williams was going to lose that race after his "joke."
Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 08, 2014 05:45 PM (FDGeg)
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