April 04, 2014
— Ace Karl Lueger was the mayor of Vienna at the turn of the century, whose populist politics were often riven with anti-semtism -- so much so that he was cited as an inspiration by none other than Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf.
However, there's a debate about how anti-semitic he actually was, and how much of an anti-semite he pretended to be for the sake of political positioning.
Lueger is famous for an answer he once gave on this issue. He was asked how he squared that fact that many of his policies were anti-semitic, while he counted many Jews among his close friends.
"I decide who is a Jew," he said, apparently creating his own definition of Judaism.
This flexible opinion on "who is a Jew" permitted him to both debase himself (and Vienna) with populist politics of hatred while simultaneously carving out a space for himself to consort with the Hated Other, as he might choose.
Similarly, today, White "liberals" have decided to sell out liberalism to the leftist, totalitarian goons of the Progressive Speech Police. They'll join the Progressives' hate campaigns against free speech and free thought -- but only when those campaigns are directed towards non-liberals.
Playing to the Progressive mobs just like Luegar played to the Vienna ones, White Liberals reserve themselves the power to both traffic in hateful intolerance, and except themselves and their friends from the claims they otherwise inflict on others.
They, and they alone, will decide who the Racists are.
I was trying to figure out my thoughts on the Suey Park/#CancelCobert conflagration on the podcast (and doing a poor job at it). But I think I have now unmuddled my thoughts on this.
In case you don't know, Dan Snyder, owner of the Washington Redskins, has created an organization to funnel money to American Indians. It's called "The Washington Redskins Foundation for Original Americans."
It's obviously intended to buy off the rage of the grievance mongering left -- but I don't see what the objection is to that. After all, the left mongers grievances precisely so that deep-pocketed organizations can be pressured into buying them off. It's the whole point of the racket.
Dan Snyder, then, stands accused by the left of going along with the left's agenda.
Steven Colbert, who isn't funny but says things that please his trained seal leftist audience, attempted to parody Snyder's attempt to do what the left wants (pay the a rent for their feigned outrage). He did a bit in which he played an old clip of a "character" he used to do in 2005 named "Ching Chong Ding Dong," a deliberately offensive Asian stereotype.
The purpose of this original use of racial humor was, I guess in his mind, to parody Bill O'Reilly's racial insensitivity. Or something. I've never heard Bill O'Reilly do "characters," whether racially insensitive or not, so I don't know exactly what was going on in Colbert's head when he trotted out this fairly offensive bit of throwback, oldschool racism.
Note right here that Colbert relies on his intent as his Get Out of Jail Free Card for doing this bit. While his bit was preposterously racially insensitive, it was also preposterously racially insensitive -- he is so over-the-top in his racism that he believes that over-the-toppedness should signal to the viewer that he's not on the level, and that his intent is to satirize racism itself, and not to attack Asians.
Intent -- it all comes down to his intent. If his intent is permissible, it doesn't matter how fantastically racist he seems to be, trading, as he does, in ethnic slurs that really are tossed at Asian kids as they're growing up. ("Ching chong" and variants are used as catcalls against Asians.)
That's the whole theory as to why Colbert is permitted to do this, and you're not. His intent is pure. His intent is not to demean Asians, but to demean crochety old Asian-haters like, um, Bill O'Reilly.
Now, Colbert's new bit consisted of replaying this hoary Yellowface act and then issuing a mock apology, saying that, like Dan Snyder, he would start a foundation to placate angry Asians. And this foundation would be called "The Ching Chong Ding Dong Foundation to Help Orientals or Whatever."
Again, he relies upon the idea that the intent beneath his words removes his words from the category of "offensive," even though the words, on their own, are in fact, inarguably, offensive.
And you can ask Asians about that. They will tell you they've had the Ching Chong thing thrown at them at children, and that epithet was intended to hurt them, and much of the time, it actually did hurt them.
But again: Colbert's intent rescues this remark. He doesn't mean anything bad by it, after all.
But think about that. He's attacking Dan Snyder's supposedly offensive use of "Redskins" for his team name. And doing so using 1910s era coolie-jokes to do so. But Colbert's intent must be considered here. After all, he's just ripping Dan Snyder.
But what about Dan Snyder's intent? Does that save Dan Snyder?
Does the Washington Redskins' clear lack of intent to denigrate Native Americans save it?
If Colbert can say the Forbidden Words with impunity -- which he asserts, as do all the White Liberals lining up to defend him and attack Korean-American "hastag activist" Suey Park for being such a stupid Gook to not get the joke -- because he had a permissible intent in using them, why can't Dan Snyder keep his team name as the Redskins for the same reason?
Obviously no one names a sports club after something they think is substandard, or shoddy, or weak, or useless. People always object to the Redskins name by using the same example -- "Well, what would you say if someone named his baseball team the New York N*****s, huh?"
But that's stupid. No one does that. No one would do that. Because "N****r" is inherently a demeaning term, and a hateful one, and no one -- no one -- names their sports clubs after things they hate.
They name them after things they respect, or wish to emulate, or wish to associate themselves with. Thus the large number of teams named after great cats, and bears, and stallions, and even the gee-whiz technology of the 50s (jets, rockets).
And as for clubs named after types of people, all those people have a positive association; in football, especially, a martial-themed sport if there ever was one, those positive associations all have to do with virility and deadliness in battle:
Vikings.
Raiders.
Buccaneers.
Warriors.
Fighting Irish.
Spartans.
You do not see "The San Francisco Coolie Laborers" in the lists of any sports teams, nor the "Boston Drunken Irish Wife-Batterers." All team names are tributes to the group in the nickname.
Some team names implicitly specify a race/ethnicity -- Vikings, Fighting Irish. There is no commotion over this -- people understand that when someone names a team the "Vikings," they mean it a positive way. They are speaking of the fury of the Northmen -- and not, for example, their propensity to rape and reduce much of Europe to a constant Twilight in which civilization could never advance too far before being pillaged and raped into rubble.
Nor does anyone seriously think "the Fighting Irish" is really about the Irish's well-known tendency to over-indulge in alcohol and then get their Irish up. (Oh, what a giveaway.) And that one really does actually step right on up to the line of being a slur against the Irish -- but we understand the intent behind it is playful, and positive. (Mostly.)
In fact, White Liberals currently on their jihad against the name "Redskins" make an exception for other teams with Indian nicknames-- Braves, Chiefs, Indians, all okay. Not racist, the White Liberals have decided, although it's unclear how they've come to this conclusion.
All three names, after all, do reference a specific race -- Native Americans -- just as surely as "Redskins" does, and for the exact same reasons.
But White Liberals know the difference. White Liberals can tell you who the Racists are.
Now, I don't really care too much about whether the Redskins keeps its historic name, to be honest with you. Dan Snyder is not my friend and I have no allegiance to him.
My point is that White Liberals will explain to you, dripping with condescension, sopping with superiority, that Steven Colbert's racist joke was just a joke and you need to get over it because his intent was permissible, and yet campaign in this endless jihad against the "Redskins" name, this time forgetting altogether to factor in the "intent" part of the analysis.
No, in this case, intent won't save them -- it's a zero-tolerance, single-factor analysis. If the word is potentially offensive, it has to go.
And yet "Ching Chong Ding Dong" is defended as having important social value.
What I'm getting at is this: Progressives are pushing for strict-liability, zero-tolerance, single-factor Speech Policing, and they make no bones about it-- many have recently questioned the value of Free Speech, and compared it, very unfavorably, to the much more important value of Social Justice.
Liberals, on the other hand, pretend to care about things like free thought and free speech. The trouble is, they are in a joined-at-the-hip political alliance with the Progressives, who are, in reality, just socialist fascists.
So how do White Liberals square this circle, wishing to appease their foaming-at-the-mouth Progressive Thought Police allies while simultaneously convincing themselves that they, unlike the Progressives or the (spit) Conservatives, support actual liberalism in matters of speech and thought?
Well, they manage this balancing trick the way Karl Lueger did: They decide who the racists are.
White Liberals, and White Liberals alone, will decide when context and intent will be weighed in the balance to rescue someone's words (as in the case of an important White Liberal ally like Steven Colbert), or when context and intent will be jettisoned from the analysis entirely, and the Progressives' zero-tolerance no-exception rule will be applied instead (as in the case of a 1%-er businessman like Dan Snyder).
They will get to make this decision -- and they'll employ the Vindictive Standard (zero tolerance) against their own political enemies (conservatives), and yet shoot the Vindictive Standard down as childishly silly when Progressives demand it be enforced against a fellow White Liberal.
Progressives say: It doesn't matter what someone's alleged "intent" is, all that matters is whether someone felt hurt or demeaned by words.
The White Liberal agrees -- so long as that rule is being applied against their common enemy, conservatives.
But when Progressives demand that it also be applied to White Liberals In Good Standing like Alec Baldwin or Steven Colbert, suddenly White Liberals start talking about "intent" and "context" and other such nuances.
For example: Look how condescending and dismissive this White Liberal Male Huffington Post interviewer is when he interviews Suey Park.
If Bill O'Reilly treated an aggrieved minority activist with half the level of sneering dismissal this White Liberal HuffPo guy does, MSNBC's programming would be all set through June.
You might agree that she's silly -- and that's your right. But consider, between her and her White Liberal Male interviewer, she's the one actually being consistent here. I don't agree with her standards, but she is maintaining her standards, whether the person offering the offensive speech is liberal or conservative.
The White Liberal Male interviewer, on the other hand, wishes to decide, after consultation with his White Liberal colleagues, which standard he will apply to a situation -- the flexible liberal one, or the censorious, draconian progressive one -- according to whether the speaker of the offensive words is a White Liberal (to be protected in solidarity) or a White Conservative (to be attacked with none of this absurd "intent" business muddying the analysis).
I don't agree with anything Suey Park says, except this much: She's right, the White Liberals are flagrantly inconsistent on this, and absurdly hypocritical and principle-free, joining in her Zero Tolerance Outrage when it suits the White Liberal Cause, and treating her like a babbling idiot when she insists that the standard White Liberals have previously endorsed also be applied to White Liberals.
The White Liberal Male interview has never heard something so absurd -- why, he's a White Liberal. By definition, he's doing the Right Thing at all times. Who is this stupid Korean girl to tell him different?
If Suey Park says she was offended by these words, What does it matter what Colbert's "satirical intent" might have been?
White Liberals agree with this... so long as they're not the ones subject to the Vindictive Standard. As soon as they're the target of it -- or one of their allies is the target of it -- suddenly we hear White Liberals expressing doubts about this crude formulation of the rule.
So I do think Suey Park has a point, here. And she is being demeaned and dismissed by White Liberals who are absolutely certain that they're constitutionally incapable of being racist, or even giving inadvertent racial offense -- so if some stupid minority is bothered by something a White Liberal says, that's her problem. She just needs to put on her Big Girl Pants and stop crying about it.
So White Liberals, it turns out, get to be the arbiters of what is and isn't racist... on behalf of their non-white political confreres.
Speaking of which: Here's another thing Suey Park is right about.
Why do White Liberals still dominate Liberal Media? Whites are about 75% of the nation, but they're nowhere near 75% of the liberal/progressive alliance. Almost 60% of all whites voted for Romney in 2012 -- making White Liberals a minority group (compared to Minority Liberals) in the liberal/progressive alliance.
So why are they still in almost all the positions of power?
White Liberals are a minority in the liberal/progressive alliance; why do minority leftist have to go begging to White Liberal gatekeepers in the media to make their voices heard?
Why do White Liberals still get to decide, on behalf of Korean-Americans, which ethnic slurs they should and shouldn't be offended by?
How is it that every liberal outfit still has a masthead that's 96% Ivory Soap White?
Is that racist?
Why no, the White Liberals will tell you-- We decide who The Racists are.
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Posted by: mallfly at April 04, 2014 02:42 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: mallfly at April 04, 2014 02:43 PM (bJm7W)
He's opened a casino?
Posted by: rickb223 at April 04, 2014 02:43 PM (d0Dmj)
Pro tip: Go long on popcorn. This is gonna be fun.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 04, 2014 02:44 PM (d0Dmj)
Posted by: Jay-Z at April 04, 2014 02:47 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2014 02:47 PM (Z1SI2)
Posted by: George Costanza at April 04, 2014 02:48 PM (9Rwbt)
Posted by: Joe Biden at April 04, 2014 02:49 PM (Aif/5)
Google count hits for "Bush regime" = "About 243,000 results (0.31 seconds)" [and "About 17,400,000 results (0.25 seconds)" for [i]Bush regime without the quotes although that does include sentences like Bush + Iraq regime change.]
Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 04, 2014 02:50 PM (hn5v5)
Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2014 02:51 PM (Z1SI2)
Four left wings, good -- two right wings bad. I think that about sums it up.
Posted by: mallfly at April 04, 2014 02:51 PM (bJm7W)
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Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 04, 2014 02:53 PM (OzZJn)
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Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 04, 2014 02:57 PM (qyfb5)
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Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2014 02:57 PM (oMKp3)
I suspect that there was a team named that back in the old Negro Leagues.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 04, 2014 02:58 PM (T2V/1)
Lliberals really really really do not want for certain things they advocate to actually be applied to their own persons and/or organizations.
Exhibit A: "disparate impact" standards.
So when you ask an elite liberal why their organization is a lot whiter than America as a whole, and when they can be expected to give up their own job so that a dusky-hued applicant can have a shot, the response always comes down to some variant of, "But this is different. Because I'm me."
We need to be helping them out with this. Energetically helping them.
For instance, Google, whose executives are absolutely huge Barack Obama supporters, has its HQ in a part of the country which is now roughly 50% Hispanic. But the ranks of Google employees are _maybe_, at the _outside_, 5% Hispanic. Ooooooh, disparate impact on the hoof.
Time to use astroturf pressure groups for boycotting, denouncing, othering and shaming the fuck out of them, with the left's own classic Alinskyite tactics. Force them to live up (or down) to the beliefs and policies they profess need to be forced down the rest of our throats.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 02:58 PM (noWW6)
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Posted by: Adam at April 04, 2014 02:58 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Bcochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 04, 2014 02:59 PM (GEICT)
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Posted by: bergerbilder at April 04, 2014 02:59 PM (8MjqI)
Posted by: --- at April 04, 2014 02:59 PM (lpeyf)
Because they never stop.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 04, 2014 03:00 PM (d0Dmj)
Posted by: rickl at April 04, 2014 03:00 PM (sdi6R)
Free speech? That's for pinche dream-act teenagers-20-something-precious-youths. One little pimple faced bastard told me so. I reminded him that playing "music" (even the popular foul rap crap) on a city bus was not allowed ("...see that picture of a radio with a slash through it courteously placed so even an idiot like you might understand it?..."). "No, Man, I gotta 1st ammendment right to lissen to mah tunes, Man." hissed the hostile weasel faced little bitch. That's who first ammendment rights are for, don't ya know.
Cancel my rhumba lessons.
Posted by: Ok, that'll do at April 04, 2014 03:00 PM (uopHF)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:00 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: gewa76 at April 04, 2014 03:00 PM (k8m83)
Posted by: No Guilt Whitey at April 04, 2014 03:00 PM (Cs2tJ)
Posted by: Mozilla at April 04, 2014 06:54 PM
See you at 07:44 PM, Mozilla.
Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 04, 2014 03:01 PM (hn5v5)
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2014 03:01 PM (9Rwbt)
The sad thing is, most Americans don't know about Eich's firing, or only heard that he was a 'homophobe.'
And the GOP? They're off being positive, which is to say they're stupid and useless.
Why aren't we asking Joe Manchin if he agrees with Eich's firing? Why aren't we blaring his response to either West Virginians if he agrees, or the far-left hackerama if he doesn't?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 04, 2014 03:01 PM (uhAkr)
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Posted by: Law of Self Defense at April 04, 2014 03:01 PM (8gaTv)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 04, 2014 03:02 PM (OzZJn)
Posted by: rickl at April 04, 2014 03:02 PM (sdi6R)
One Val-U-Rite and lemonade at a time.
I'm also practicing my Otherism, by identifying various people by their Progressiveness or non status.
I just roll that way now. They made the rules, not me.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 04, 2014 03:02 PM (cHZB7)
Insects are an ever-present risk in systems engineering.
There have been aircraft crashes as a result of mud dauber wasps doing their thing and blocking the pitot tubes. Unreliable airspeed indication results.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 03:02 PM (noWW6)
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:07 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 04, 2014 03:07 PM (OzZJn)
Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2014 03:08 PM (hFL/3)
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Posted by: Sandra Fluke's Solid Gold Diaphragm at April 04, 2014 03:09 PM (bHnlE)
70 31 not sure if you're joking. Oriental is kind of an odd term for Asians that I file in the same bin as the word 'colored' for black people. To me it just means the person using it is probably over 60.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 04, 2014 07:02 PM (OzZJn)
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That area of the world was referred to as 'The Orient' for hundreds of years, Yoshi.
And it wasn't that long ago...that referring to someone as 'Asian' was considered a racial slur.
So some people are still confused by the switch.
We shouldn't knock people who are 'over 60'.
Because these are generally the people who also remember what it was like to be Free.
Posted by: wheatie at April 04, 2014 03:09 PM (FWbLS)
Posted by: Harry Wang at April 04, 2014 03:09 PM (5UteM)
Posted by: bergerbilder at April 04, 2014 03:10 PM (8MjqI)
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Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 04, 2014 03:10 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 04, 2014 03:11 PM (OzZJn)
First, O'Reilly:
http://reappropriate.co/?p=3023
And, Colbert's response at the time:
http://reappropriate.co/?p=3030
tl;dr:
O'Reilly made some comments that were complimentary of Asians. However, since he was speaking about Asians as a group, he was promoting racial stereotypes (positive stereotypes, but still stereotypes). So, Colbert decided O'Reilly should be mocked - by spouting a bunch of childish and negative Asian stereotypes.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 04, 2014 03:13 PM (IN7k+)
ace, there's no meaningful difference between "liberals" and "progressives"
If the former is not aware of the depradations of the latter, then they are just as vile, and useless.
Besides which, how long has it been (decades?) since any significant view or agenda item termed "liberal" has been anything other than stupid, unconstitutional, racist, authoritarian, fascistic, insane, or a mixture?
So "liberal" gets applied to the people who don't seem quite as uninformed, quite as stupid, quite as alien, quite as racist, quite as authoritarian - or who, ya know, are "nice" people. Relatives. Co-workers. I'm sure many are nice. But their idiocy and alien (un-American) instincts are ruining the country and hurting the world. So - not "nice". "Nice intelligent" people whose ignorance, laziness, bigotry, and stupidity are harming me and the world are a problem, not fellow citizens or humans I give a damn about (in any sense).
Posted by: non-purist at April 04, 2014 03:13 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at April 04, 2014 03:13 PM (H4aQb)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke's Solid Gold Diaphragm at April 04, 2014 03:13 PM (bHnlE)
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2014 03:14 PM (9Rwbt)
Posted by: White Liberal Media Unanimously Agree Who Is RAAAAACIST! at April 04, 2014 03:14 PM (nbGZj)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 04, 2014 03:14 PM (OzZJn)
Posted by: IrishEd at April 04, 2014 03:14 PM (bfm04)
103... Heck, Iowa itself is named after a NA tribe.
Posted by: pookysgirl
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Oklahoma means "Land of the Red Man".
Posted by: wheatie at April 04, 2014 03:14 PM (FWbLS)
Posted by: Reggie White at April 04, 2014 03:15 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2014 03:15 PM (oMKp3)
of course, it went downhill, and she tossed off what she thought was the parting shot as she reached the door, when she yelled "White Trash" at me...
i replied with "Racist!!!", and everyone turned to witness her confusion at being on the receiving end of that little bon mot...
%-)
Posted by: redc1c4 at April 04, 2014 03:16 PM (q+fqH)
Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2014 03:17 PM (oMKp3)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 04, 2014 03:17 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth (@Teresa_Koch) at April 04, 2014 03:17 PM (PZ6/M)
He did pass universal health care.
Posted by: Me Hung Lo at April 04, 2014 03:18 PM (5UteM)
Posted by: Un-Declared White RAAAAACIST Homophobe at April 04, 2014 03:18 PM (nbGZj)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at April 04, 2014 03:18 PM (XWw96)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 04, 2014 03:18 PM (OzZJn)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:18 PM (CMkNk)
The U.S. military pays respect to indigenous Americans by naming deadly weapons systems for them. Apache, Chinook, Tomahawk.
And I have served with some, and they are hard.
Posted by: bob [codename: Sayuri] at April 04, 2014 03:19 PM (idV0k)
Yes, I've been told now for years I am a racist. I am a racist because I oppose Obama's policies. I am a racist because I think the ACA is bad for the country. I am a racist because I woke up this morning.
Posted by: DangerGirl at April 04, 2014 03:19 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:19 PM (CMkNk)
and got the trains to run on time... no wonder this administration apes so many of his ideas.
8-)
Posted by: redc1c4 at April 04, 2014 03:19 PM (q+fqH)
Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2014 03:20 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:20 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Taggart at April 04, 2014 03:21 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 04, 2014 03:21 PM (VlefE)
i hate everyone, but individually, for their personal shortcomings... ;-)
Posted by: redc1c4 at April 04, 2014 03:21 PM (q+fqH)
Posted by: Lolth, Demon Queen of Spiders at April 04, 2014 03:21 PM (WX3R9)
He deserves everything he gets and a whole lot more.
Let leftist rage embrace leftists.
Posted by: StubbleSpark at April 04, 2014 03:21 PM (m81NZ)
Posted by: Future Dan Snyder at April 04, 2014 03:22 PM (nbGZj)
Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2014 03:22 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:22 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 04, 2014 03:22 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: lowandslow at April 04, 2014 03:22 PM (IV4od)
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I had completely forgotten about his little un-PC speech. What a treat. Offended everybody in the process of complimenting them.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 04, 2014 03:23 PM (HubSo)
Posted by: Soothsayer, corn bread assassin at April 04, 2014 03:23 PM (VlefE)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:24 PM (CMkNk)
Not too big on sweeping generational categorizations.
I know a couple of over-sixty types who are utter moonbat lunatic lefties.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 03:24 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:24 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Ti Wun On at April 04, 2014 03:24 PM (5UteM)
Posted by: The soft part of zero at April 04, 2014 03:24 PM (mbi6/)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 04, 2014 03:25 PM (NtHdR)
Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2014 03:25 PM (oMKp3)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:25 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 04, 2014 03:25 PM (qyfb5)
116 Posted by: wheatie at April 04, 2014 07:09 PM (FWbLS)
I'm not really knocking them. For the reason in your post it's understandable why they would use that term. It's just a little quaint, like some other lingo from before 1960.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 04, 2014 07:14 PM (OzZJn)
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At the rate these things are changing...everything we're saying now, will be considered 'quaint' in 20 years.
And the NAACP still uses the word 'colored' in the name of their organization.
But if we call them 'quaint'...then I'm sure that's somehow "Racist!"
It's all so very confusing.
Posted by: wheatie at April 04, 2014 03:26 PM (FWbLS)
Posted by: Chris Crocker at April 04, 2014 03:26 PM (bHnlE)
Posted by: ace at April 04, 2014 03:26 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 04, 2014 03:26 PM (WX3R9)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:26 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Perpetual Revolution of witchhunts at April 04, 2014 03:27 PM (wu/TK)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 04, 2014 03:27 PM (oFCZn)
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This. When the left is eating itself, get out of the way and enjoy the show.
Posted by: cool arrow at April 04, 2014 03:27 PM (cKsqM)
Ace, you're good, but you're no Ronan Farrow. He's won awards n' shit.
Posted by: mc at April 04, 2014 03:27 PM (lrfmC)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:28 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Corolianus Snow at April 04, 2014 03:28 PM (Jsiw/)
Posted by: CAC at April 04, 2014 03:28 PM (E7Pr/)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:29 PM (CMkNk)
Races exist. This is a fact. The members of one racial group have common characteristics that distinguish them from members of other racial groups. This is also a fact. Noticing that a group exists, stating that those differences exist does not imply HATRED for the group.
It's gotten to the point that saying, "I admire X. They are so good with Y," gets you labeled a "bigot" and a "racist", fired from your job and expelled from society. It is fucking insane. It is denial of reality. I reject it.
Posted by: whoever at April 04, 2014 03:29 PM (pjMym)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 04, 2014 03:29 PM (9mcPX)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 04, 2014 03:29 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Buzzion at April 04, 2014 03:30 PM (G6rzm)
Posted by: ace at April 04, 2014 03:30 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 04, 2014 03:30 PM (d0Dmj)
Posted by: Corolianus Snow at April 04, 2014 03:30 PM (Jsiw/)
Posted by: gewa76 at April 04, 2014 03:30 PM (k8m83)
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But again, yesterday's liberals are not the same as today's totalitarian statist lefties.
Posted by: cool arrow at April 04, 2014 03:30 PM (cKsqM)
Well, really, frankly, they're not "progressive" insofar as how those tech businesses are run. They make a big show of claiming "progressive" beliefs and backing "progressive" candidates.
But ask them to manage their businesses in a way consistent with those professed beliefs, and the lame excuses start up right quick.
It does become galling to be lectured to by liberal politicians about the need for more affirmative-action racial quotas in hiring, when those pols are backed by Silicon Valley execs who insist that their own firms be able to practice strictly meritocratic hiring and promotion.
Don't get me wrong. I like strictly meritocratic hiring and promotion. It should be the rule everywhere. It's just hugely hypocritical for these tech firms to push politically for racial-quota hiring everywhere but in their own employee ranks.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2014 03:31 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: bergerbilder at April 04, 2014 03:31 PM (8MjqI)
Posted by: Dr Spank at April 04, 2014 03:31 PM (5UteM)
64 - Probably not the real ones, more like the Will and Grace gays.
Will and Grace? You mean Fag and Hag?
Posted by: Ok, that'll do at April 04, 2014 03:31 PM (uopHF)
Posted by: tu3031 at April 04, 2014 03:32 PM (nsQhi)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:32 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Beer Ninja at April 04, 2014 03:32 PM (598AG)
Posted by: Guy Who Doesn't Understand Why Hitler Still Gets a Bad Rap at April 04, 2014 03:32 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: mc at April 04, 2014 03:33 PM (lrfmC)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at April 04, 2014 03:33 PM (H4aQb)
Posted by: E.T. at April 04, 2014 03:33 PM (uGlk8)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:33 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:34 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Seems legit at April 04, 2014 03:34 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2014 03:34 PM (3a584)
Posted by: commentorior at April 04, 2014 03:35 PM (pi3LI)
Posted by: Dr Spank at April 04, 2014 03:35 PM (5UteM)
They didn't sell out. They became the totalitarian left. The holier-than-thou game spirals on until what used to be harmless-looking (to us) classical liberals are today's cultists trying to raise R'lyeh. You don't reason with these people, they certainly don't care what you think the word "liberal" means.
Posted by: kartoffel at April 04, 2014 03:35 PM (sWwJZ)
Posted by: Corolianus Snow at April 04, 2014 03:35 PM (Jsiw/)
Posted by: Adam at April 04, 2014 03:35 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: ace at April 04, 2014 03:35 PM (/FnUH)
185...it is my ambition to wake former liberals -- who still mistakenly think of themselves as "liberal" -- to how much they have sold out to the totalitarian left for political power.
And make them confront that, and choose to act as they claim to believe or just confess to being another socialist brownshirt.
Posted by: ace at April 04, 2014 07:30 PM (/FnUH)
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Well you may have to explain to them what a 'socialist brownshirt' *is*, Ace.
And why that is something that they shouldn't want to be.
Posted by: wheatie at April 04, 2014 03:36 PM (FWbLS)
For Ace not to get it is why we are losing.
"Liberals" has no present meaning, except to the extent a mind is trapped.
A brilliant mind like Ace's is trapped.
We are losing.
Posted by: Tonawanda at April 04, 2014 03:36 PM (mE1l+)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 04, 2014 03:36 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2014 03:36 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: bergerbilder at April 04, 2014 03:36 PM (8MjqI)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 04, 2014 03:36 PM (oFCZn)
this is why thy over compensate I think
Posted by: Whatever my name was at April 04, 2014 03:37 PM (mbi6/)
But of course, like all leftists he believes that words mean whatever he wants them to mean.
Posted by: cool arrow at April 04, 2014 03:37 PM (cKsqM)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 04, 2014 03:37 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: puddleglum at April 04, 2014 03:38 PM (15w2J)
They're known for being DRUNKEN BRAWLERS.
Big, big difference.
Posted by: ace at April 04, 2014 07:35 PM (/FnUH)
I don't know, I think both are pretty awesome.
Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2014 03:38 PM (3a584)
Posted by: CAC, Levitated Mass Enthusiast at April 04, 2014 03:38 PM (E7Pr/)
Posted by: The Jackhole at April 04, 2014 03:39 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: rickl at April 04, 2014 03:39 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 04, 2014 03:39 PM (9mcPX)
Posted by: Dr Spank at April 04, 2014 03:39 PM (5UteM)
Stalin *way* the fuck outscored Hitler on Dictator Monthly's "All-Time Most Horribleriffic Dictators" chart.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 04, 2014 07:25 PM (qyfb5)
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You gotta take into account longevity, though. It took Stalin 30 years to do his damage, whereas Hitler had only 10 years to do his dirty deeds. I mean, if you care at all about how quickly a dictator is able to accomplish his evil, you have to give Hitler some bonus points.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 04, 2014 03:39 PM (IN7k+)
Posted by: Joe Biden at April 04, 2014 03:40 PM (H4aQb)
Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2014 03:40 PM (oMKp3)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 04, 2014 03:40 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2014 03:40 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Seems legit at April 04, 2014 03:40 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at April 04, 2014 03:41 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: Zombie A. Hitler at April 04, 2014 03:41 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 04, 2014 03:42 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: willow at April 04, 2014 03:42 PM (nqBYe)
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Probably true, but only because Bill Maher occasionally remembers when he used to be a comedian.
Posted by: cool arrow at April 04, 2014 03:42 PM (cKsqM)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 04, 2014 03:42 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Peggy Noonan, 1943 at April 04, 2014 03:43 PM (VlefE)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:43 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Zombie Benito at April 04, 2014 03:43 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Drunken Papist what reeks of cabbage at April 04, 2014 03:43 PM (oJUxt)
Posted by: commentorior ?
Yeah, that^ I grew up on an Island off the GA coast- 3,000 people, a third black. The most racist white folks I know are liberals or people who never worked with the black folks.
Posted by: backhoe at April 04, 2014 03:43 PM (ULH4o)
Posted by: Ann Coulter at April 04, 2014 03:43 PM (H4aQb)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 04, 2014 03:44 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:44 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Johnny Hitler, Stand-Up Comedian at April 04, 2014 03:44 PM (5UteM)
Posted by: willow at April 04, 2014 03:44 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 04, 2014 03:45 PM (ZshNr)
I always considered actual classical liberalism as conservatism.
Liberal over the past couple decades has become an epithet. Or at least it was until we all are now the verbrecher untermenschen
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 07:32 PM (CMkNk)
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The whole reason the left took over the "liberal" label is that they had so damaged the "progressive" one. Even the LIVs started to recognize how destructive the progressives were, so the renamed themselves as liberals. Changing their policies to something that people could support did not occur to them.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 04, 2014 03:45 PM (IN7k+)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:45 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 04, 2014 03:45 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 04, 2014 03:45 PM (U3OzJ)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at April 04, 2014 03:45 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: willow at April 04, 2014 03:47 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 04, 2014 03:47 PM (oFCZn)
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Is she? Is she really? I couldn't fucking stand her on SNL. She always looked so goddamned pleased with herself.
Posted by: cool arrow at April 04, 2014 03:47 PM (cKsqM)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:47 PM (CMkNk)
227:Look closer, and you'll find the Communists behind all of it.
Same for the Peace Movement of the 60s-70s-80s. The KGB happily used them.
Posted by: puddleglum at April 04, 2014 03:47 PM (15w2J)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 04, 2014 03:47 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: S. Muldoon, president United Mime Workers local #555 at April 04, 2014 03:47 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2014 03:48 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: gewa76 at April 04, 2014 03:48 PM (k8m83)
Then again, so did Rosie O'Donnell, so...
Posted by: cool arrow at April 04, 2014 03:48 PM (cKsqM)
Posted by: Mao See Dongs at April 04, 2014 03:48 PM (8MjqI)
257...What's a Moby?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
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He's that musician guy who makes those long synthesized compositions.
Posted by: wheatie at April 04, 2014 03:48 PM (FWbLS)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 04, 2014 03:48 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Seems legit at April 04, 2014 03:48 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:49 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 04, 2014 03:49 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at April 04, 2014 03:49 PM (9mcPX)
Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at April 04, 2014 03:49 PM (N+Fis)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:49 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 04, 2014 03:50 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 04, 2014 03:50 PM (CTCNK)
Posted by: Peggy Nooner at April 04, 2014 03:50 PM (H4aQb)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 04, 2014 03:51 PM (VlefE)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 04, 2014 03:51 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 04, 2014 03:51 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 04, 2014 03:51 PM (WX3R9)
Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 04, 2014 03:51 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: S. Muldoon, president United Mime Workers local #555 at April 04, 2014 03:51 PM (g4TxM)
Thanks for attacking this vecotr Ace.
This is where the fight is taking place, in the shadows.
Think of that scruntly wench Piven.
You might think it's funny and stuff, but her views are deeply held throughout the ruling class.
I was out on a campus today and found a brochure, professionally done, for addiction to housing.
Think of how it becomes an addiction to housing, where does that come from?
The New Left?
Eich was destroyed by the creations of the New Left. Ayers and Piven and the rest...
I am dead fuckin serious this shit goes on in the corners of society, but it has deep and lasting impacts.
It is why I am so down on the GOP idiots who just laugh and glide along stupidly.
The war is being fought, and they don't care to engage.
That's why we are so fucked.
anyway, I'm gonig to watch some music.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at April 04, 2014 03:52 PM (HQml1)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:52 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: toby928© has drink taken at April 04, 2014 03:52 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: S. Muldoon, president United Mime Workers local #555 at April 04, 2014 03:52 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: Greece, Which Once Owned the Mediterranean at April 04, 2014 03:52 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: willow at April 04, 2014 03:53 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2014 03:53 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: bergerbilder at April 04, 2014 03:53 PM (8MjqI)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 04, 2014 03:53 PM (Q8vlx)
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2014 03:53 PM (ikclX)
Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2014 03:54 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 04, 2014 03:54 PM (VlefE)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2014 03:54 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Seems legit at April 04, 2014 03:54 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 04, 2014 03:55 PM (VlefE)
Posted by: Margaret Sanger at April 04, 2014 03:55 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 04, 2014 03:55 PM (CTCNK)
Posted by: Dr Spank at April 04, 2014 03:56 PM (5UteM)
Posted by: ScoggDog at April 04, 2014 03:57 PM (VdBU2)
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2014 03:57 PM (ikclX)
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 04, 2014 03:57 PM (CTCNK)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 04, 2014 03:57 PM (CPoFy)
Posted by: Ms. Garrison at April 04, 2014 03:57 PM (WX3R9)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:57 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 04, 2014 03:57 PM (VlefE)
314...According to the left a "lesbian trapped in a man's body" would be a trans-gender "woman" who is lesbian.
Posted by: The Political Hat at April 04, 2014 07:55 PM (CTCNK)
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My brain just tied itself in a knot trying to figure this out.
Posted by: wheatie at April 04, 2014 03:58 PM (FWbLS)
Posted by: Headless Ned at April 04, 2014 03:58 PM (Aif/5)
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It's true. As a f'rinstance, Robert Cray was born and raised solidly upper middle class, while Eric Clapton grew up dirt-poor. And yet nobody would ever claim that Cray was "inauthentic" as a blues musician.
(Nothing against Cray, by the way. Just saying.)
Posted by: cool arrow at April 04, 2014 03:58 PM (cKsqM)
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2014 03:58 PM (ikclX)
Posted by: An Assed Chap at April 04, 2014 03:58 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 04, 2014 03:59 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 03:59 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Dr Spank at April 04, 2014 03:59 PM (5UteM)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 04, 2014 04:00 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at April 04, 2014 04:00 PM (NtHdR)
Posted by: Olson Johnson at April 04, 2014 04:00 PM (bHnlE)
Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2014 04:00 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Guilt Free Whitey at April 04, 2014 04:00 PM (Cs2tJ)
Key differences here.
1. This approach works on small scale, but starts to break down on a wider scale, and trying to be a national arbitrer of right and wrong is about as big a scale as it is.
2. My approach works when losses and gains to any impacted are incremental and minor. When the power and influence is smaller, you can have more flexibility in approach. However, when you try to take over the entire economy, or when the costs are that you are deciding when to ruin lives and careers, then you should be following a more uniform set of guidelines regarding when you shall begin the task of destroying people.
3. When the person impacted in my scenario feels unfairly treated, they have multiple channels to seek recourse. I can't think of too many ways to unring the bell when progessives sink their teeth into their mark for their next 2 minute hate session.
4. There can be more flexibility when there are just a handful of key rules to be followed. Not so much in a society where there are so many laws and regulations, official and unofficial, that nobody can reasonably be expected to stay in complete compliance.
Really, this is an inevitable symptom of the disease. How can it be any other way in a system or society that collects so much power? I want to give my employees as much freedom as possible, understanding that I certainly don't have all the answers, and even if I did, I don't have the time to make all the decisions. Progressives don't have that kind of trust in others or any modesty/humility.
Posted by: Dave S. at April 04, 2014 04:00 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 04:00 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Zombie Michael Jackson at April 04, 2014 04:01 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 04, 2014 04:01 PM (uhAkr)
Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2014 04:01 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 04:02 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Insomniac at April 04, 2014 04:02 PM (NtHdR)
Posted by: toby928© has drink taken at April 04, 2014 04:02 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 04, 2014 04:03 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 04:03 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: willow at April 04, 2014 04:04 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Bill Clinton's pee pee at April 04, 2014 04:04 PM (8MjqI)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at April 04, 2014 04:04 PM (H4aQb)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 04, 2014 04:04 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 04, 2014 04:05 PM (qyfb5)
2. I am enjoying my first vodka gimlet. Very tasty.
Posted by: DangerGirl at April 04, 2014 04:05 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 04:06 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2014 04:06 PM (ikclX)
So, what would an appropriate team name representing homos be?
The Mincers? The Fairies? The Carpet Munchers? The Stool Pushers? The Queens?
Just curious (that would be The Latents).
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 07:02 PM (CMkNk)
Duh. The Packers/
Posted by: Minuteman at April 04, 2014 04:06 PM (2grFB)
Posted by: S. Muldoon, president United Mime Workers local #555 at April 04, 2014 04:07 PM (g4TxM)
What tyrants struggle with is that idea that fear is only an excellent short term motivator. It has diminishing returns, when applied....um, liberally. People/societies eventually get immune to it.
Posted by: Dave S. at April 04, 2014 04:07 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 04, 2014 04:07 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 04:07 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 04, 2014 04:08 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Michael in Mi at April 04, 2014 04:08 PM (mNRoh)
Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at April 04, 2014 04:08 PM (vVSOO)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 04, 2014 04:08 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: S. Muldoon, president United Mime Workers local #555 at April 04, 2014 04:09 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 04, 2014 04:09 PM (HVff2)
You know who else annoys the hell out of me?
Conservative scolds telling me who is and isn't funny.
I'll laugh at whoever the hell I want, whenever I want, for whatever reason I want.
Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at April 04, 2014 04:09 PM (Ed+yP)
Posted by: willow at April 04, 2014 04:09 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: grammie winger at April 04, 2014 04:10 PM (oMKp3)
Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2014 04:11 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 04, 2014 04:11 PM (ZshNr)
Interesting. It was also attributed to Josef Goebbels, by no less than Fritz Lang! He's famous for telling a story that Goebbels summoned him to his office in 1933, after the suppression of 'The Testament of Dr. Mabuse' and offered him the position of principal filmmaker for the Reich. When Lang nervously told Goebbels that his mother was a Jew, he said Goebbels replied, "WE decide who is a Jew and who isn't!" Lang then went on to say that by the time he left Goebbels's office the banks were all closed, so he boarded a train to Paris that night with little more than the clothes on his back.
Great story, but like a lot of things Lang said, it wasn't true. He did leave Nazi Germany in 1933, like many other actors and film people, but he managed to get a lot of his money out and made several trips back and forth to France. Goebbels probably did try to entice him to stay and make films for the Nazis because they appreciated his abilities and did like a lot of his earlier films. And I'll bet he incorporated the quotation from Lueger in his story because it just sounded so good, and such things did happen, at least for awhile.
Posted by: Fledrmaus at April 04, 2014 04:12 PM (FkH4y)
Posted by: gewa76 at April 04, 2014 04:12 PM (k8m83)
Posted by: DangerGirl at April 04, 2014 04:13 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: --- at April 04, 2014 04:13 PM (IA92k)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 04:13 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 04, 2014 04:14 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: S. Muldoon, president United Mime Workers local #555 at April 04, 2014 04:14 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: bergerbilder at April 04, 2014 04:14 PM (8MjqI)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 04:15 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: gewa76 at April 04, 2014 04:15 PM (k8m83)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 04, 2014 04:15 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 04, 2014 04:16 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Decaf at April 04, 2014 04:17 PM (9X3hY)
Posted by: thunderb at April 04, 2014 04:19 PM (zOTsN)
It just sounds funny (to me). Posting in the shed, drinking and surfing. Oh and smoking cigars.
Posted by: DangerGirl at April 04, 2014 04:20 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 04, 2014 04:20 PM (VlefE)
Posted by: thunderb at April 04, 2014 04:21 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 04, 2014 04:22 PM (VlefE)
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Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 04, 2014 04:24 PM (DL2i+)
Sung to the tune of "Colonel Bogie March" (The tune whistled by the Limeys (can I say that?) in "Bridge Over River Kwai")
HITLER. had only one single ball.
GOERING had two, but they were very small.
HIMMLER, had something similar.
and GOEBALS, had no balls, at all!!!
Posted by: Minuteman at April 04, 2014 04:25 PM (2grFB)
Posted by: S. Muldoon, president United Mime Workers local #555 at April 04, 2014 04:26 PM (g4TxM)
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Fine JJ. Just freaking fine! I want my intent back.
Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at April 04, 2014 04:29 PM (vVSOO)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2014 04:30 PM (CMkNk)
Posted by: S. Muldoon, president United Mime Workers local #555 at April 04, 2014 04:31 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at April 04, 2014 04:31 PM (vVSOO)
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Posted by: AMinVA at April 04, 2014 04:32 PM (KaofE)
They don't realize it is our balls on their chins.
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Posted by: Mike in the Hinterlands at April 04, 2014 04:40 PM (DNpio)
Due to their low numbers they needed to become Honey Badgers to keep their Irish heritage. They may not win but they will always make the aggressor pay.
Posted by: The Hickster at April 04, 2014 04:40 PM (TI3xG)
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Posted by: anonymous irishman at April 04, 2014 04:44 PM (DJgfL)
Since we control the Media, Hollywood, Academia, and the English Language itself, we get to make ALL the rules.
Posted by: White Liberals Blissfully Aware Of Their White Privelege at April 04, 2014 04:45 PM (nbGZj)
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Posted by: kbdabear at April 04, 2014 04:52 PM (aTXUx)
(Knowing): I've been onstage hundreds of times and I can read a crowd.
(Typing): If you're ever in Northeast Ohio?
(Knowing): You'd break out the Single Malt.
(Typing): ...I'll just shoot your heads a lot.
(Thinking): Fuck This.
*throws down mixed-fruit can*
(Crying): Call me?
Posted by: Slapweasel at April 04, 2014 04:54 PM (lq3Ak)
Don't get me wrong. I'm going to enjoy beer for a loooong time to come.
Posted by: Slapweasel at April 04, 2014 05:00 PM (lq3Ak)
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Posted by: Lincolntf at April 04, 2014 05:17 PM (ZshNr)
Ace says that the original intent in naming the team was not a racist one. Fine. I grant him that. I also believe that when someone in the early twentieth century said something along the lines of "He's a very accomplished Negro" about a leading black figure (say W.E.B. DuBois, for example), they were not intending to deliver anything other than a high compliment. Contemporary society would not only have considered such a remark acceptable, but gracious, and an acknowledgement of DuBois's achievements. But we have different standards today.
Would you say those exact same words about Ben Carson? Why not? Isn't he a black man? Doesn't he, as a world-renowned neurosurgeon who performed a historic operation and has since written two well-received books, qualify by anyone's standards as "accomplished"? So, anyone who thinks that the intent of the remark is the only thing that should matter, go ahead. I dare you. Start referring to Ben Carson -- not here, not anonymously, but publicly and under your real name -- as "a very accomplished Negro." The statement is true, right? The intent is pure, and the sentiment is real, right? Then by your own logic, there should be nothing wrong with saying it.
Standards have changed for public references to Indians too (lest someone tell me my point somehow applies only to black people). When Jim Thorpe competed for Carlisle (an Indian school), sports headlines and articles made reference to his teams "scalping" their opponents and going "on the warpath." Thorpe was referred to in print multiple times throughout his athletic career as a "redskin" and a "fierce warrior" and the like. I'm sure he didn't have had a problem with it.
But again, would you say the same things about an Indian athlete today? Two seasons ago, St. Louis played Washington in football and beat them. Do you think it would have been acceptable for a sports journalist to refer to the Rams quarterback (Cherokee citizen Sam Bradford) as a "redskin," in print or on the air? How about a headline like "Bradford Scalps Redskins"? No? I think everyone reading this understands why that would be a problem, and yet (if you think Ace is right) by your own logic you shouldn't. If it's okay to say about Jim Thorpe, why isn't it okay to say about Sam Bradford?
And then there's this beauty from Ace:
"People always object to the Redskins name by using the same example -- 'Well, what would you say if someone named his baseball team the New York N*****s, huh?' But that's stupid. No one does that. No one would do that. Because "N****r" is inherently a demeaning term..."
Okay, first off, when I've used that example on this blog, it's never been New York -- it's been Nashville. So nyah. But second..."redskin" is also a demeaning term. I mean, for God's sake, has anyone looked in a dictionary? Go ahead. Google "define: redskin"...or, if you don't use Google, search it on Bing or Yahoo. There was at least one dictionary that noted the word's offensive nature as early as the late nineteenth century, and if you were born after 1970 or so and have even a high school education, you really have no excuse not to have known that the word was offensive before now.
Posted by: Demosthenes at April 04, 2014 05:17 PM (kNw9i)
"So you must hate when teams are called 'Indians' too, huh?" Nope. I look on that the same way I look on Spartans, or Vikings, or Trojans -- as Ace has rightly said, those names are meant to invoke warrior attitudes and martial spirit. I also don't have a problem with Sioux, Seminoles, or Blackhawks -- or, for that matter, Chiefs, Warriors, or Braves. But every thinking person should draw the line at Redskins and Savages. Those aren't positive, or even neutral, terms.
"But most Indians don't have a problem with the term!" Yeah, okay, fine. I doubt most Jews these days have a problem with "hebe." I doubt most Italians these days have a problem with "wop." Does that make them okay? Would you call people that? Would you use those words as sports nicknames?
"But there are some Indian schools that still use Redskins for a mascot!" Yeah, there are. And they shouldn't. I recognize that I can no more make them change their names than I can make Dan Snyder change the name of his club -- which is to say, I can't. That doesn't make the decision right.
"But, but, OKLAHOMA!" Yeah, Oklahoma. Choctaw for "red people" or "red men." So what? If "white people" isn't inherently offensive, and "black people" isn't inherently offensive, why should "red people" be inherently offensive? You're missing the entire point by drawing a false analogy between "red people" and "redskin." Let me help you out, in SAT terms --
red man : redskin :: black man : darkie
And if you still don't understand after that, I can't help you.
Posted by: Demosthenes at April 04, 2014 05:18 PM (kNw9i)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 04, 2014 05:25 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: ron n. at April 04, 2014 05:28 PM (c7HxG)
There were U and non-U actions where U stood for upper class. Just take for an example the appropriate use of cutlery and glassware at dinner parties. To keep the non-U upstart nouveau riche guessing there were regular changes to what was U and non-U at any given time and only the real upper class would know. Posted by: Decaf at April 04, 2014 08:17 PM (9X3hY)
Back in the '70's, a British woman named Jilly Cooper published a book called "Class" that was about all the nuances of the British class system.
Cooper noted that even after the '60's, when "non-U" culture (the Beatles and other rock stars, Carnaby Street, Twiggy, Mary Quant) became fashionable for the first time in English culture, things had shifted back by the late '70's. One example she gave - Mick Jagger spoke like a Cockney in his early interviews, trying to pass himself off as a working class kid.) By the late '70's, he spoke in his normal, middle-class college educated accent.
Although the book was humorous amazingly detailed - not only were there aristocratic, upper-middle, middle-middle, lower-middle and working class words and expressions - the class system determined things like the breed of dog people had (labs and other hunting breeds are "aristo," terriers are middle class, bulldogs are working class) and the flowers in their gardens. And sports: hunting and tennis - aristo; rugby - middle class - soccer - working class.
If Britain was still that class obsessed in the 1970's, imagine what the 1870's were like.
Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at April 04, 2014 05:32 PM (R3gO3)
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Posted by: baldilocks filipova at April 04, 2014 07:17 PM (36Rjy)
Nothing on this site makes me cringe like Ace's take on the Redskins. I mean, holy shit with this:
"In fact, White Liberals currently on their jihad against the name "Redskins" make an exception for other teams with Indian nicknames-- Braves, Chiefs, Indians, all okay. Not racist, the White Liberals have decided, although it's unclear how they've come to this conclusion. "
How in the hell does this still get raised as a talking point? It boggles the mind that someone as smart as Ace has such a massive blind spot here. Few if anyone takes "Brave" or "Chief" as a term of disrespect against Native Americans. Whatever your personal viewpoint is, you can't say the same for "Redskin".
That's the difference. It's not complicated.
Posted by: Oscar Meyer at April 04, 2014 09:21 PM (m0HUW)
Posted by: dicentra at April 04, 2014 09:30 PM (AIGFR)
Oh, look. Yours is a slightly different shade than mine. There, I said it. So, sue me..
I'm beginning to suspect this white liberal minority of outrage marshals might just be the ones dishing out all this white supremacy business I've been hearing so much about.
Posted by: D.W.Robinson at April 05, 2014 12:26 AM (m+Ib5)
Posted by: wheatie at April 04, 2014 07:12 PM (FWbLS)
I thought it was the National Association of American Crack Pots.
Posted by: Fledrmaus at April 05, 2014 05:09 AM (FkH4y)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 05, 2014 06:40 AM (XO6WW)
Posted by: PD Quig at April 05, 2014 07:36 AM (0f/yT)
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Yep, and America is on its way to becoming The First Multicultural Reich if they continue to advance.
Posted by: Socrates at April 05, 2014 07:54 AM (B3oXo)
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Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at April 05, 2014 01:19 PM (M6eUN)
Also, it's not just White Liberals who are acting as arbiters of what is racist and what is not. White Moderates and White Conservatives do it too. It's just a white attitude that white people think they get to define what is racist and what is not.
That's the larger fight, that white people are not only racist, but think they can define the standards of what is considered racist, and what is considered not-racist.
That's what people of color are fighting against. We demand respect on our terms, and by "our" I mean a negotiated position between people of color, generally. The rule is simple: does the group being depicted or named find the depiction or name a problem. If so, as a group, we will agree to oppose that depiction or name.
The assumption is that white people and some people of color won't want to go along with that, and one of the reasons is because they don't like change, and have a stake in disrespecting minorities.
In Colbert's case, he obviously makes money by making fun of Asians, even if he's bascially "on our side". He also makes money by allowing some racism about Native Americans to pass. It works for him, because his audience, who are mostly white, want to laugh at racist jokes, and they do so by allowing themselves to enjoy the Colbert Report.
I don't want to let comedians of color of the hook here. They do the same thing. That's why Dave Chapelle quit - he realized that he was the black figure giving permissions for white people to laugh at racist jokes.
Posted by: john at April 05, 2014 03:13 PM (YxRE6)
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