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April 15, 2014

Kevin D. Williamson: Is This Republic On Such Unsound Footing That It Must Respond to Civil Disobedience As If It Is Girding for War?
— Ace

Harry Reid seems to have taken the Bundy standoff rather personally:

"Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said.

It is a very scary thing when a government officer takes such things personally -- given that the government can and does order the use of lethal force against citizens.

What is the rationale for Reid's We-Must-Not-Let-This-Insult-Pass attitude? Were Reid talking about a slight from a hostile foreign power -- such as Russia, or, for that matter, al-Qaeda -- he's more than likely counsel us to not lose our heads in bull-headed, testosterone-fueled anger.

Yet here he is counseling just that -- "Let's throw our weight around."

This can only be justified if you believe that the American people are roiling in a state of near-rebellion, and we must squash individual shows of defiance lest the people rise up in open revolt.

Several objections to this:

First, the left often criticizes the right for having a "paranoid" view of government, seeing it as a menace which must be contained.

But notice here that the left harbors its own paranoid views of menaces that must be stamped out -- notably, the American people themselves.

Second, if the populace were really in such a state of near-rebellion such that the tiniest spark from a Nevada cattleman could set off a conflagration, wouldn't that be a sign that perhaps the government needs to adjust its behavior and attitude, rather than Harry Reid's suggestion that it must Show Who's Boss Here like a juvenile street gang demarcating its turf?

Governments do not in fact have to use Maximum Force to crush dissenters. France, for example, allows quite a bit of civil unrest (chiefly from the leftwing). One needn't go so far as to endorse the French model and permit union workers to kidnap their bosses and hold them for ransom in labor "negotiations" (yes, that's a real thing that really happens) to suggest that perhaps the American government, and its agents of enforcement of state will, could perhaps temper the zeal with which they show everyday citizens which gang really controls this turf.

Kevin D. Williamson wrote a piece about this, and finds it troubling that a nation born in revolution and devoted, once upon a time, to the idea that citizens are masters of the state, and not vice versa, should respond so spasmodically to such a minor provocation.

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1 First?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 15, 2014 04:45 PM (AHzA7)

2 1

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 15, 2014 04:45 PM (HVff2)

3 Second!

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 15, 2014 04:46 PM (AHzA7)

4 Dangit.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 15, 2014 04:46 PM (AHzA7)

5 uno?

Posted by: waitaminnit at April 15, 2014 04:46 PM (/N0l0)

6 crap !

Posted by: waitaminnit at April 15, 2014 04:46 PM (/N0l0)

7 We're back!

Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 04:46 PM (doBIb)

8 So the hamsters are awake?

Posted by: Retread at April 15, 2014 04:47 PM (cHwk5)

9 that it must Show Who's Boss Here like a juvenile street gang demarcating its turf? Maybe Harry Reid can rub his anal glands on some tree trunks around the Bundy Ranch.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 04:47 PM (mizYg)

10 *blows raspberry at Misanthropic*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 15, 2014 04:47 PM (AHzA7)

11 Nice to post again. Glad the rodents are up

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 15, 2014 04:47 PM (HVff2)

12 That'll teach me to post something relevant.

Posted by: waitaminnit at April 15, 2014 04:47 PM (/N0l0)

13 "Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said.>>

But it's just dandy if illegal aliens do?

Posted by: The Hickster at April 15, 2014 04:48 PM (TI3xG)

14 The govt no longer governs by consent of the governed, it rules through fear, intimidation and threat of violence (physical and/or legal).

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 04:48 PM (GEICT)

15 "We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said. Wait -- so Harry Reid is suggesting that we arrest Obama??

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 04:49 PM (mizYg)

16 I believe Harry Reid's slimy webbed fingerprints are all over this fiasco in Nevada; that this one ranch got on BLM's radar because Reid looked to profit in some way.

Posted by: UGAdawg at April 15, 2014 04:49 PM (e/9tl)

17 Not only do they find dissent hostile, They attack everyone with their govt . agencies to harass and threaten those who offend or bother them. isn't that what Americas govt was set up to do? No? well these guys think so.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 04:49 PM (nqBYe)

18 The " State is my master" types can stick their finger in salt and then use it to poke themselves in the eye !

Posted by: waitaminnit at April 15, 2014 04:50 PM (/N0l0)

19 So -- is Harry Reid suggesting that we throw Rosa Parks' ghost in jail?

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 04:50 PM (mizYg)

20 BC, 100% correct.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at April 15, 2014 04:50 PM (QRXoL)

21 The Feds control too much land.Bottom line.

Posted by: steevy at April 15, 2014 04:51 PM (zqvg6)

22 well, despite all the nattering nabobs of negativism that are constantly whining about the country being over let the burning times begin, I think cliven bundy and the response he evoked from his supporters near and far indicates that there is a strong and unyielding strain of Americanism, in the good sense, that has persevered and will despite the lefts efforts to drown it out with a flood of welfare dependency and illiteracy.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2014 04:51 PM (rDidD)

23 Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 15, 2014 04:51 PM (ILBCY)

24 Reid is, of course, exempt from the rule of law. And so are all his asshole Congress buddies, apparently.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 04:52 PM (o3NFc)

25 Harry never met Lois Lerner.

Posted by: madamex at April 15, 2014 04:52 PM (1zsKV)

26 Given the failure of the BLS to immediately assert its authority with extreme prejudice cost Dingy's son money, of fucking course Dingy is personally insulted.

Posted by: steveegg at April 15, 2014 04:52 PM (o44nj)

27 Wait -- is Harry Reid suggesting that everybody who swarmed over the Berlin Wall in 1989 be mowed down by machine gun fire? After all, they were breaking the rules.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 04:53 PM (mizYg)

28 what also gets me, is HIM stating 'violating law" it made me choke on an ice cube reading that! These people with their land deals selling off federal land while playing the middle guy and pocketing the dough with their Childrens assist! and crony and pay to play schemes! , with their stealing tax payers money to pay for their Buying votes and employment! Feathering their fkn pockets while on the govt dock. yeah, ok.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 04:53 PM (nqBYe)

29 Why isn't our Repub congress shutting down these alphabet agencies budgets?

Posted by: madamex at April 15, 2014 04:53 PM (1zsKV)

30 .gov is confused as to who should be afraid of whom.

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at April 15, 2014 04:53 PM (XWw96)

31 They should be scared. VERY scared. In the words of the NWO "If you want a war we'll give you a war"

Posted by: Slapnutz at April 15, 2014 04:53 PM (G610p)

32 But the Republicans have been like a Rock on this issue, which is nice. And by 'like a rock,' I mean silent and inanimate.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 04:53 PM (o3NFc)

33 Laws are for crushing the little people beneath our feet.

Posted by: Harry Reid at April 15, 2014 04:53 PM (ILBCY)

34 Funny, the Dem-MSM didn't think OWS was "OMG LAWBREAKERS = TRAITOROUS REBELLION!!!!"

Posted by: --- at April 15, 2014 04:54 PM (MMC8r)

35 we need a long term plan to reeducate everyone touched by the public schools that the government has nothing of its own. all government authority is bestowed upon it by the citizens. the government exists only because we say so.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2014 04:54 PM (rDidD)

36 I've heard that Harry Reid is a child-raping nazi.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 15, 2014 04:54 PM (ZPrif)

37 Bob Schieffer will get to the bottom of this, just you wait.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 15, 2014 04:54 PM (l3vZN)

38 But a government that violates the law (and the constitution) and walks away is A-OK.

Posted by: Pipe Holder at April 15, 2014 04:54 PM (bmrPl)

39 Think illegal immigration. Now re-read Reid.

Posted by: USA at April 15, 2014 04:54 PM (Sg02p)

40 27: considering Harry and his fellow like minded Bolsheviks think the wrong side won the Cold War, I'd say yes.

Posted by: puddleglum at April 15, 2014 04:55 PM (A2buJ)

41 So it's not OK for Americans to "break the law", but it's perfectly acceptable for non-Americans to break it?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at April 15, 2014 04:55 PM (PZ6/M)

42 bob schieffer thinks nevada is a territory.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2014 04:55 PM (rDidD)

43 As the left moves to consolidate its control over the serfs perhaps Nevada will eventually be seen as the start of flash-militias.

Posted by: delurk ergo sum at April 15, 2014 04:55 PM (+bAL7)

44 who uses other peoples money to fly on vacations , not pay their own tax bills, and funnel americans private information to fkn left groups to harass?

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 04:55 PM (nqBYe)

45 Illegals, cough, cough.

Posted by: Blake McBain at April 15, 2014 04:55 PM (hQE24)

46 Is This Republic On Such Unsound Footing ... One foot on thin wet ice, the other on a banana peel. >>Worked in the word banana<<

Posted by: Pat Buchanan at April 15, 2014 04:55 PM (thLL8)

47 34: Nah, they reserved that for Tea Party Conservatives.

Posted by: puddleglum at April 15, 2014 04:56 PM (A2buJ)

48 Somebody whisper in Harry's ear trumpet that bribery is lawbreaking, too.

Posted by: --- at April 15, 2014 04:56 PM (MMC8r)

49 Two thoughts: First, I guess that theory that this was all because Harry Reid was going to get the land seized and then his kid's company was going to sell it to the Chinese is looking way more likely now. II. Does Kevin "Gosh Golly Gee Whilikers I have no idea why anyone would object to the NSA snooping on the American citizenry because US prosecutors are so fucking awesome" Williamson have any sense of self awareness or irony at all?

Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 04:56 PM (Xed9r)

50 THIS is the reason why the Left is trying to redefine the Second Amendment out of existence. If those ranchers in their thousands had all shown up armed with sporks and whiffle balls, the Feds would have run roughshod over them. But the mere thought that they all had guns -- which most surely did -- make the sweat break out on the Feds' collective brow. Remember: A big war is nothing but a series of small battles.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 04:56 PM (mizYg)

51 The sentence about Japan is kind of throwing me...

Posted by: Max Power at April 15, 2014 04:56 PM (q177U)

52 Funny how Reid can claim that a war is lost yet cheer for our government to wage war on a citizen

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 15, 2014 04:56 PM (HVff2)

53 Oh, it's gone

Posted by: Max Power at April 15, 2014 04:56 PM (q177U)

54 nevermind. sometimes i feel like IM the one that fell off the turnip truck and smashed my head.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 04:56 PM (nqBYe)

55 Harry Reid takes the government repossession of land very seriously. He will not abide NOT personally earning millions of dollars on the deal.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 15, 2014 04:57 PM (qKrH5)

56 That's the thing. Just as Snowden the man is problematic but Snowden the issue surfaced things that are important. Bundy the man is problematic and his case isn't watertight, but FFS the response of the government is scary. His son got tazed, beaten and jailed overnight for deigning to film what the Feds were doing while outside of the "First Amendment Zone". When in the name of all that's holy did we confine the first amendment to a government approved roped off area away from the action? He is in the wrong, per the system, but the system has been systematically changing the system to make Bundy's way of life untenable.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 15, 2014 04:57 PM (1xUj/)

57 So it's not OK for Americans to "break the law", but it's perfectly acceptable for non-Americans to break it? Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at April 15, 2014 08:55 PM

Illegals do it for love. We Americans are xenophobes who are only out for ourselves.

Posted by: huerfano at April 15, 2014 04:57 PM (bAGA/)

58 So does Harry Reid get to decide which laws are enforced now? Cause he's on the record as supporting the non-enforcement of our current border and immigration laws. Why is he so keen on stopping illegal grazers, but not illegal workers and illegal welfare frauds? Which do you think costs the United State more? I bet America spend well over 1000x more on illegal aliens than illegal cattle grazers.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 15, 2014 04:57 PM (ZPrif)

59 reid has to show he is in control and demonstrate he can come through on a promise if you pay the bribe.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2014 04:57 PM (rDidD)

60 You should have heard what that young lad said when I lowered his pants.

Posted by: Harry Reid at April 15, 2014 04:58 PM (thLL8)

61 Things like this happen in banana republics. The governments act like gang leaders. Machismo and all that, you know.

Posted by: Alabama Mike at April 15, 2014 04:58 PM (9Tj+9)

62 is cliven bundy related to the chicago bundys?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2014 04:58 PM (rDidD)

63 Megan Kelly had a videographer on her show last night who was at the showdown at the Bundy Ranch on Sunday. It sounded like he still hadn't clean out his pants. The guy looked scared that the two side would start shooting at each other. I'd find the link except Guinness.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 15, 2014 04:58 PM (0HooB)

64 yeah mister Reid doesn't mind threatening other citizens , whether it be adelson, Koch's or Regular fkn Joe the Plumber.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 04:58 PM (nqBYe)

65 At least we know the purpose all of that ammo the fed govt is buying. Obama is clearly building a federal "civilian" army of jackbooted thugs outside of the Department of Defense and the Department of Justice.

Posted by: Fritz at April 15, 2014 04:59 PM (oJUxt)

66 Respect my Authoritah!!!

Posted by: Harry Reid -- land speculator at April 15, 2014 04:59 PM (ZPrif)

67 Shorter Harry Reid: "I'M NOT GIVING THE MONEY BACK!!!!"

Posted by: --- at April 15, 2014 04:59 PM (MMC8r)

68 >>> Maybe Harry Reid can rub his anal glands on some tree trunks around the Bundy Ranch. You can't prove that.

Posted by: that's SENATOR Reid at April 15, 2014 04:59 PM (Ua6T/)

69 Someday all these crooked tyrant-politicians will have a rendezvous with a bullwhip.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 05:00 PM (o3NFc)

70 Why is he so keen on stopping illegal grazers, but not illegal workers and illegal welfare frauds? Click my nic for a pic about that very subject. It's the first post.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 15, 2014 05:00 PM (0HooB)

71 nevermind that the Feds decided to change rules and laws as they went along with all the ranchers, minimizing their abilty to survive. yeah it's shit fom top to bottom. They hold all the fkn cards and take what they want.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 05:00 PM (nqBYe)

72 "Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said. ------------------------------------------------------------ But illegal aliens, they can violate the law and we're pretty cool with that.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 15, 2014 05:00 PM (ES9R7)

73 Harry asshole Reid, stays out of jail because he writes the laws that benefit him. This might not be the hill to die on, but its pretty close. At this point what difference does it make?

Posted by: Bob from table9 at April 15, 2014 05:00 PM (jsa6I)

74 Sorry I was gone all day. We were at the range renewing our annual range membership. And Little VIA and Mrs VIA spending the afternoon shooting the AR platform and her 9mm. Sounds like these are the type of skills that may come in handy at some point.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 15, 2014 05:00 PM (hDwVv)

75 At least we know the purpose all of that ammo the fed govt is buying. Obama is clearly building a federal "civilian" army of jackbooted thugs outside of the Department of Defense and the Department of Justice. Posted by: Fritz at April 15, 2014 someone needs less time on the range with all their fancy ammo and more time having tactics splained.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2014 05:00 PM (rDidD)

76 62 is cliven bundy related to the chicago bundys? Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2014 08:58 PM (rDidD) wooooaaaaaah Bundy!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 05:01 PM (GEICT)

77 >>> Maybe Harry Reid can rub his anal glands on some tree trunks around the Bundy Ranch. ======= Haw. I read that as "Brady Bunch."

Posted by: --- at April 15, 2014 05:01 PM (MMC8r)

78 Good piece by Kevin Williamson The Case for a Little Sedition | National Review Online http://www.nationalreview.com/node/375824

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 15, 2014 05:01 PM (ZPrif)

79 >>bob schieffer thinks nevada is a territory. Posted by: yankeefifth Well, it was when he was a cub reporter.

Posted by: Aviator at April 15, 2014 05:02 PM (3rrMW)

80 I bet America spend well over 1000x more on illegal aliens than illegal cattle grazers.>>

Supporting them vs sending them home? Yes we spend plenty we just don't spend wisely.

Posted by: The Hickster at April 15, 2014 05:02 PM (TI3xG)

81 wooooaaaaaah Bundy!!! Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 09:01 PM (GEICT) *throatpunches*

Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 05:02 PM (Xed9r)

82 hey, how come pelosi and spouse were never busted when using illegal immigrants at their vinyards, you know when THAT was the LAW?

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 05:02 PM (nqBYe)

83 and still not one worthless GOP leader has commented on this criminal attack on the American citizen. Why is that?

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 15, 2014 05:02 PM (thLL8)

84 If those ranchers in their thousands had all shown up armed with sporks and whiffle balls, the Feds would have run roughshod over them. My FiL expressed some interest in participating in this standoff.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 15, 2014 05:03 PM (qKrH5)

85 To this day, I believe the Waco debacle was a deliberately conceived show of force by the federal government, a message aimed at what it perceived to be a dangerously insurgent, rightwing extremist movement. For example, the feds could've arrested David Koresh in town, when he and a few of his followers came in for some supplies, with every chance of a nonviolent outcome, but they didn't. It appears they wanted a fight. They wanted an example. Thanks to sheer tactical ineptitude from Janet Reno on down, 76 men, women, and children were senselessly shot or burned to death, along with several federal officers. Watch. I'm guessing sometime soon some obscure, fringe group holding vaguely rightwing sentiments is going to end up surrounded and squashed. Holder and his boss are just the men for that sort of work.

Posted by: troyriser at April 15, 2014 05:03 PM (ptcFO)

86 We may, however, be required to kidnap Ace should the comments section go down again.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 15, 2014 05:03 PM (oFCZn)

87 But notice here that the left harbors its own paranoid views of menaces that must be stamped out -- notably, the American people themselves.
What do you call 30 million dead Americans?
A start. Comrade.

Posted by: bill ayers at April 15, 2014 05:03 PM (hn5v5)

88 "We can't have an American people..."

Not "we can't have people" or 'this person". His formulation suggests that he intends to teach all the "American people" a lesson.

You know, maybe our side needs to start showing up at people's private homes. We can't have an American Government that is arrogant and puts itself before the people.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at April 15, 2014 05:04 PM (IVgIK)

89 *throatpunches* Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 09:02 PM (Xed9r) *cough cough* The hell???

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 05:04 PM (GEICT)

90 wooooaaaaaah Bundy!!! Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 09:01 PM (GEICT) That might just make youÂ….Peg

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia [/i][/b] at April 15, 2014 05:04 PM (yz6yg)

91 hey, remember when we knew Crimea was going sideways and considered them a losing govt because they started sniping their citizens? yeah.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 05:04 PM (nqBYe)

92 as for bundy's unpaid fines, why are they in such a hurry to throw him off? it is not as if they have some other user lined up who is going to start paying fines? did obama negotiate something with the desert tortoises?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2014 05:04 PM (rDidD)

93 Its ALL lethal force. Try not following any order from a government official, it will be escalated until you comply up to and including lethal force.

Posted by: People Corporation at April 15, 2014 05:04 PM (pf+hU)

94 What do you call 30 million dead Americans? A start. Comrade. Posted by: bill ayers Stop exaggerating! He only wanted to kill 25 million. Get your facts straight, wingnut.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 05:05 PM (mizYg)

95 grabs alex's hem (quite a feat) lets go drink something strong. and throw something.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 05:05 PM (nqBYe)

96 The Left is very scared citizens will just tell DC to fuck off and that will be the end of their fiefdom. Reid is showing his cards.

Washington DC is square with each side being 10 miles. This is what is calling the shots in every part of our life.

We could EASILY overthrow the government if it got out of hand, and this rancher showed how easy it is to stand up to them. The US is basically ruled by a very small percentage of people located in urban areas.

Hell, if we just got enough people to ignore their taxes this government would fall almost overnight.

Posted by: Uniden at April 15, 2014 05:05 PM (13G+x)

97 93 Its ALL lethal force. Try not following any order from a government official, it will be escalated until you comply up to and including lethal force. Posted by: People Corporation at April 15, 2014 09:04 PM (pf+hU) _______________________________________ Infraction of the law to felonies all enforced with your death if necessary.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at April 15, 2014 05:06 PM (jsa6I)

98 Stop exaggerating! He only wanted to kill 25 million. Get your facts straight, wingnut. Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 09:05 PM (mizYg) well fine, buit it's decades number i'm sure that number has grown exponentially i'm sure at least 100 million now.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 05:06 PM (nqBYe)

99 I am sure dc does not appreciate the increasing states rights arguments.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2014 05:06 PM (rDidD)

100 Read today from a supposed first person account that some of the BLM 'snipers' were taken by citizens and released. Also there was a 7 mile backup trying to get to the ranch and at the checkpoint the authorities took and destroyed cell phones. Who knows.

Posted by: RWC at April 15, 2014 05:07 PM (QeH9j)

101 willow, you have no idea how much I would like to drink tea with a little something something in it right now. *cough cough* The hell??? Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 09:04 PM (GEICT) I saw what you did. Don't think that I didn't. Also *eyebrow arch* are you again questioning my ability to throatpunch at will?

Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 05:07 PM (Xed9r)

102 Flash militias??? Where do I sign up?

Posted by: tony weiner at April 15, 2014 05:07 PM (hn5v5)

103 Also *eyebrow arch* are you again questioning my ability to throatpunch at will? Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 09:07 PM (Xed9r) Well, you DO have the Stepstool of Awesomeness.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia [/i][/b] at April 15, 2014 05:08 PM (yz6yg)

104 The piss on Harry's grave is gonna be so deep, the Coast Guard will have to put a lighthouse on it.

Posted by: tu3031 at April 15, 2014 05:08 PM (yagOO)

105 This is why we distance ourselves from the Tea Party.

Posted by: JOhn Boehner and Mitch McConnell at April 15, 2014 05:09 PM (thLL8)

106 I am also wondering who in the MSM will break rank and parlay this atrocity into something effective, and possibly lucrative in the long run.

Posted by: model_1066 at April 15, 2014 05:09 PM (tNrYO)

107 Reid is a foul wind that should not be allowed to pass....scratch that, that I can't wait to pass.

Posted by: Rob in Katy at April 15, 2014 05:09 PM (PiTBB)

108 104 The piss on Harry's grave is gonna be so deep, the Coast Guard will have to put a lighthouse on it. Posted by: tu3031 at April 15, 2014 09:08 PM (yagOO) Between Dingy and Hanoi Jane I'll need a septic tank sized jug to hold the appropriate amount of urine.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 15, 2014 05:09 PM (oFCZn)

109 Also there was a 7 mile backup trying to get to the ranch and at the checkpoint the authorities took and destroyed cell phones. Hmm. So the people who were trekking to the ranch to stand off against the feds surrendered their phones to the feds on the way in? Weird.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 15, 2014 05:10 PM (qKrH5)

110 Also *eyebrow arch* are you again questioning my ability to throatpunch at will? Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 09:07 PM (Xed9r) No, but usually there's a reason.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 05:10 PM (GEICT)

111 has anyone seen any polling on the cliven bundy thing? also, unrelated, is it true his cows wear shoes?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2014 05:10 PM (rDidD)

112 "... finds it troubling that a nation born in revolution and devoted, once upon a time, to the idea that citizens are masters of the state, and not vice versa"

Simple enough proposition. Not the same nation.

Nations are built out of peoples.

That old nation, the original and prior nation, was differently comprised. Made up of different people. Holding to a specific set of cultural beliefs.

The modern American nation as it is now is made up to a large and steadily increasing extent out of peoples who have never recognized or practiced the concepts of liberty and of limited government in their own previous homelands.

Why in the world would they be expected to suddenly recognize those things here, and adopt them as their own? Magic? Telepathy? Molecular osmosis?

No. They're putting us on a steady course towards where America too will boast the likes of "The Vice Ministry Of Supreme Social Happiness", while running out of toilet paper. We're already most of the way there. Because that is how things work in their own home cultures, and they've imported those cultures along with their persons. Multiculturalism has consequences beyond merely having interesting new restaurants.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 15, 2014 05:10 PM (noWW6)

113 No, but usually there's a reason. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 09:10 PM (GEICT) There is a reason. Because Cochran.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia [/i][/b] at April 15, 2014 05:10 PM (yz6yg)

114 The piss on Harry's grave is gonna be so deep, the Coast Guard will have to put a lighthouse on it. That fuckers grave will be so far into his ranch you'll need a backpack and hiking shoes to reach it.

Posted by: JOhn Boehner and Mitch McConnell at April 15, 2014 05:11 PM (thLL8)

115 Ain't Skeert

Posted by: Cliven Bundy at April 15, 2014 05:11 PM (N3Al8)

116 Well, you DO have the Stepstool of Awesomeness. Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia at April 15, 2014 09:08 PM (yz6yg) I do, I do indeed.

Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 05:11 PM (Xed9r)

117 Guilty as hell and still free as a bird. Anyone seen my cap and fuses?

Posted by: bomber billy at April 15, 2014 05:12 PM (nkPV9)

118 The ranch was a payback for the ChiComs financing Dems in 2012, they got caught in 2008 but somehow got away with it in 2012

Posted by: MikeH at April 15, 2014 05:12 PM (bRL1M)

119

Dingy Harry is FOR the TURTLES . . . and the middle class\

Posted by: Maytag Repairman at April 15, 2014 05:12 PM (lW95N)

120 This is about a tortoise or something, right? Just checking. Thanks.

Posted by: model_1066 at April 15, 2014 05:12 PM (tNrYO)

121 Troy, in modern times has an american republlcian president or gov govt whatever sent the govt on citizens like the koresh debacle or ruby ridge, daley etc etc?

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 05:12 PM (nqBYe)

122 I do, I do indeed. Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 09:11 PM (Xed9r) Gonna be tough to top that this year because the Senate Gift Shop doesn't carry stepladders.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia [/i][/b] at April 15, 2014 05:12 PM (yz6yg)

123 Also there was a 7 mile backup trying to get to the ranch and at the checkpoint the authorities took and destroyed cell phones. I think I need to start carrying a cell with no SIM in it. I mean how many bad guys now know to take your phone when the SHTF? I've got an old Android phone sitting in a box at home. It wouldn't be hard to start charging it.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 15, 2014 05:13 PM (qKrH5)

124 There is a reason. Because Cochran. Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia at April 15, 2014 09:10 PM (yz6yg) *fistbump*

Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 05:13 PM (Xed9r)

125 "Hell, if we just got enough people to ignore their taxes this government would fall almost overnight."

Nah, the fed would just do more quantitative easing.

We don't need no stinking money.

It's the post-economy economy. I think Tom Friedman said that.

Posted by: notropis at April 15, 2014 05:13 PM (bvlUm)

126 Hmm. So the people who were trekking to the ranch to stand off against the feds surrendered their phones to the feds on the way in? Weird. Posted by: bonhomme at April 15, 2014 09:10 PM (qKrH5) That's why I am taking it with a silo full of salt.

Posted by: RWC at April 15, 2014 05:13 PM (QeH9j)

127 Speakingof turtles, where is McConnell on this?

Posted by: Maytag Repairman at April 15, 2014 05:13 PM (lW95N)

128 I bet America spend well over 1000x more on illegal aliens than illegal cattle grazers.>>

Lets do some common core math.

Q1)If you spend $3 million to recover $300k in unpaid grazing fees is it about enforcing the law or enforcing power?

Q2) if we spent $3 million on deporting each illegal alien how many would still be within our borders?

Posted by: The Hickster at April 15, 2014 05:14 PM (TI3xG)

129 has anyone seen any polling on the cliven bundy thing? --- Can't wait for that skewed poll question. Right now the left is still recovering from the vapors, and awaiting permission from the WH to cover the story. But the question will probably be: Do you think Cliven Bundy should follow the law? Everybody said yes you guys!

Posted by: People Corporation at April 15, 2014 05:14 PM (pf+hU)

130 121 Troy, in modern times has an american republlcian president or gov govt whatever sent the govt on citizens like the koresh debacle or ruby ridge, daley etc etc? Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 09:12 PM (nqBYe) Bush talks funny. Same thing. -Progtard Nation, with uptwinkles.

Posted by: model_1066 at April 15, 2014 05:14 PM (tNrYO)

131 "The ranch was a payback for the ChiComs financing Dems in 2012, they got caught in 2008 but somehow got away with it in 2012"

You may recall my exploits during the 1990s. We've been at this a while now.

Posted by: Charlie Trie at April 15, 2014 05:14 PM (noWW6)

132 Four years after Obamacare became law, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is notifying Medicare providers and suppliers of new fingerprint-based background checks. Eventually, all individuals who hold a five percent or greater stake in a Medicare supplier or provider that is categorized as "high risk" will be subject to the requirement. The provision is part of the Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP Program Integrity Provisions (Title E) of the Affordable Care Act, and gives the HHS secretary broad discretion in applying the background check requirements depending on the potential for abuse, fraud, and/or waste.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 15, 2014 05:14 PM (e8kgV)

133 anyway one thing Dems like to do is kill americans, just call them names and cxonvince the public they have done something wrong. hope Koch's stay safe, man i do remember Bankers families being threatened by their sent goons, yeah this is what they do.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 05:14 PM (nqBYe)

134 Report: AC/DC to Call It Quits Due to Malcolm Young's Illness? http://www.guitarworld.com/report-acdc-call-it-quits-due-malcolm-youngs-illness Â… pic.twitter.com/yvWnYT5Vfj

Posted by: MikeH at April 15, 2014 05:14 PM (bRL1M)

135 The piss on Harry's grave is gonna be so deep, the Coast Guard will have to put a lighthouse on it. That fuckers grave will be so far into his ranch you'll need a backpack and hiking shoes to reach it. He'll probably cover it with a huge slab of something heavy, like Brigham Young did to keep people from desecrating his grave.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 15, 2014 05:15 PM (qKrH5)

136 And Reid's son is one goofy looking fuck.

Posted by: RWC at April 15, 2014 05:15 PM (QeH9j)

137 Hey, you, fe-bee guys, leave my daddy alone!

Posted by: kelly bundy at April 15, 2014 05:15 PM (hn5v5)

138 >>>...rather than Harry Reid's suggestion that it must Show Who's Boss Here like a juvenile street gang demarcating its turf? I'll assume that was rhetorical.

Posted by: dogfish at April 15, 2014 05:15 PM (nsOJa)

139 There is a 24/7 armed guard posted around Bundy's ranch. Militia...

Posted by: Ragular Guy at April 15, 2014 05:15 PM (N3Al8)

140 136 And Reid's son is one goofy looking fuck. Posted by: RWC at April 15, 2014 09:15 PM (QeH9j) The turd doesn't fall far from the asshole...

Posted by: model_1066 at April 15, 2014 05:16 PM (tNrYO)

141 Reid's son is fucking Goofy!

Posted by: mickey mouse at April 15, 2014 05:16 PM (hn5v5)

142 Duh...

Posted by: ghg at April 15, 2014 05:16 PM (i8Shl)

143 Almost a not safe for work hash tag.

Posted by: People Corporation at April 15, 2014 05:16 PM (pf+hU)

144 I must apologize for posting a bit of a huffy post last night...but I had no idea it would lead to an open revolt by the hampsters!

Posted by: Dr. NO NO at April 15, 2014 05:17 PM (QQTwW)

145 141 Reid's son is fucking Goofy! Posted by: mickey mouse at April 15, 2014 09:16 PM (hn5v5) Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse were in divorce court and the judge said to Mickey, "You say here that your wife is crazy." Mickey replied, "No I didn't. I said she is fuckin' Goofy."

Posted by: MikeH at April 15, 2014 05:17 PM (bRL1M)

146 http://tinyurl.com/kcrh7bu That's the M Kelly clip. It is scary.

Posted by: madamex at April 15, 2014 05:17 PM (1zsKV)

147 The potential tragedy of the Bundy case is that it hardly matters anymore whether he's legally correct or not. Government has grown so large and overbearing, and this administration so lawless and corrupt, having degraded what little good faith was left among the populace, that the issue could be the perfect flashpoint for our frustration and anger.

Posted by: rrpjr at April 15, 2014 05:17 PM (s/yC1)

148 "We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it." You want to make something of it, dirtbag? Well, do you?!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at April 15, 2014 05:17 PM (qIFL7)

149 bundy better have a ton of comms, redundant and of several different types including an effin bat signal.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2014 05:17 PM (rDidD)

150 >>>The piss on Harry's grave is gonna be so deep, the Coast Guard will have to put a lighthouse on it.<<<

We'll be regulating it as a "navigable waterway".

Posted by: the EPA at April 15, 2014 05:17 PM (08jH8)

151 112 I agree Torquewrench. Most immigrants don't come here for moar liberty. They come for the money.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at April 15, 2014 05:18 PM (jsa6I)

152 104 The piss on Harry's grave is gonna be so deep, the Coast Guard will have to put a lighthouse on it. A navigable waterway? CALL THE EPA STAT.

Posted by: OK, thanks, bye at April 15, 2014 05:18 PM (uopHF)

153 On Fox tonight I heard a report that the Admin/IRS wants to figure out a way to tax workplace bennies such as free gym use, day care, haircuts, food, massage chairs, etc.

Who you ask has these kinds of free benefits at work? Why the big tech companies such as Google, Facebook, etc. So what happens when the government vultures turn to some of the hipster douche bags that may work at these companies and wants a piece of their pie?

There isn't enough wealth in this nation to financially rape all of the old, white conservatives to finance what they want to do.

I consider myself lucky if I can find an extra container of hot sauce at work and steal it out of the employee fridge. Don't tell!

Posted by: Cheri at April 15, 2014 05:19 PM (VDGzf)

154 But the question will probably be: Do you think Cliven Bundy should follow the law? Sean? Sean Hannity??

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 15, 2014 05:19 PM (thLL8)

155 And Reid's son is one goofy looking ... If you look up pencil-necked dweeby nerlinger doofus, Rory Reid's picture is at the top of the definition.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 15, 2014 05:19 PM (qKrH5)

156 we should have demonstrations, reid reid, how many laws have you broken today. down twinkles, sad face. i'm sure Obama will just write new eo's to cover every incident.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 05:19 PM (nqBYe)

157 Hey, you, fe-bee guys, leave my daddy alone! And if I throw a rock through this flat screen tv the store will never take it back!!!!

Posted by: Kelly Bundy Trying To be Helpful at April 15, 2014 05:19 PM (qoKTg)

158 But the question will probably be: Do you think Cliven Bundy should follow the law? Everybody said yes you guys! Posted by: People Corporation at April 15, 2014 09:14 PM (pf+hU) ===== That's pretty much what they've been doin' all day. They're into that rule of law stuff, now. Problem is, when the Mandarins use the rule of law to get rich while busting your chops, it isn't the rule of law. It's tyranny.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at April 15, 2014 05:20 PM (q6kaG)

159 I'll say this, though: these are not the words and actions of D-majority leader who is at all afraid of losing the Senate. Tsunami, my ass.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 05:20 PM (o3NFc)

160 Elian Gonzalez, Ruby Ridge, the Branch Davidian, the manhunt for that cop killer in LA last year and countless other no knock raids and other local "Police" actions. With every incident the government should be apologizing and groveling for forgiveness, instead they usually double down on stupidity and take more of our liberties.
This is one of the key reason the Founders tried to form a very limited government because they understood human nature and it's lust for power.
Let's not kid ourselves things will work themselves out, it ain't going to happen. This is the most free we will ever be in very long time, it makes me ill thinking about the hell the generations behind me will have to face.

Posted by: lowandslow at April 15, 2014 05:20 PM (IV4od)

161 I agree Torquewrench. Most immigrants don't come here for moar liberty. They come for the money. Posted by: Bob it is a function of where they are from. legal immigrants are probably much more interested in freedom than economics, though the two are not separate. the illegals are mostly in it for the money.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2014 05:20 PM (rDidD)

162 Cheri, I assume any bennies Their parents also received 50 years ago!

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 05:20 PM (nqBYe)

163 "Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," ~the pro-amnesty senator said.

Posted by: darkkan at April 15, 2014 05:20 PM (bnNlk)

164 Except if I read this right, this is not a Law that Bundy is accused of violating but merely regulation gone amok.

So colour me shocked that Reid again prevaricates and escalates because his Imperial Majesty has been affronted.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 15, 2014 05:20 PM (FbAHC)

165 151 They come for love of family.

Posted by: jeb at April 15, 2014 05:21 PM (bvlUm)

166 155 And Reid's son is one goofy looking ... If you look up pencil-necked dweeby nerlinger doofus, Rory Reid's picture is at the top of the definition. Posted by: bonhomme at April 15, 2014 09:19 PM (qKrH5) Quisling fuckstick if you ask me

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 15, 2014 05:21 PM (HVff2)

167 "in modern times has an american republlcian president or gov govt whatever sent the govt on citizens like the koresh debacle or ruby ridge, daley etc etc?"

I remember back in the 1980s, when the armed standoff with the nutty African separatist MOVE group in Philadelphia got ugly and ended badly, every single leftist commentator in the country promptly blamed then-President Reagan.

Never mind that the standoff was handled by Philadelphia's city law enforcement and that the mayor of Philly at the time was a black liberal Democrat. It's simple. Something bad? Because Reagan.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 15, 2014 05:22 PM (noWW6)

168 Hey speaking of bennies, Can we tax Holder for all the use of planes to go hither and yon? what about parties for donations can we tax their donations?

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 05:22 PM (nqBYe)

169 "Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Sure we can! We have a President and and Attorney General who do it 3-4 times a month!

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Democratic Republic of Alextopia [/i][/b] at April 15, 2014 05:22 PM (yz6yg)

170 See you later. I've gotta Bing some 'kelly bundy' images.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 15, 2014 05:22 PM (hn5v5)

171 Except if I read this right, this is not a Law that Bundy is accused of violating but merely regulation gone amok. So colour me shocked that Reid again prevaricates and escalates because his Imperial Majesty has been affronted. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 15, 2014 09:20 PM (FbAHC) *KOFF* DELEGATIONDOCTRINEMOTHERFUCKERSDOYOUSPEAKIT *KOFF*

Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 05:22 PM (Xed9r)

172 The head of BLM worked for Reid from 2003 - 2011. Reid probably is the one who got him the BLM job. Yeah, Reid's involved. That's where he made his millions - real estate deals.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 05:22 PM (IdOTf)

173 Torque, i get that, but Reagan didn't personally threaten , right? these guys do and Are.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 05:23 PM (nqBYe)

174 With every incident the government should be apologizing and groveling for forgiveness, instead they usually double down on stupidity and take more of our liberties. This.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at April 15, 2014 05:23 PM (1xUj/)

175 If you look up pencil-necked dweeby nerlinger doofus, Rory Reid's picture is at the top of the definition. Posted by: bonhomme at April 15, 2014 09:19 PM (qKrH5) As well as 'spoiled prick.'

Posted by: RWC at April 15, 2014 05:24 PM (QeH9j)

176 anyone want to welease wowy weid? no? no-one? no-one even willing to wag me? oh well, welease bawabbas . . .

Posted by: pontius pilate at April 15, 2014 05:24 PM (30eLQ)

177 hey has Bernanke ever paid up on taxes, what about Sharpton the govt stooge? hey i guess Sharpton worked for the govt so free pass

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 05:24 PM (nqBYe)

178 Where's our resident overly compensated jackboot cop tonight?

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 15, 2014 05:24 PM (thLL8)

179 ICYMI, Attkisson is presently holding a Q&A on twitter

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 15, 2014 05:24 PM (DmNpO)

180 Corrupt as Brazil or Venezuela, so far we have had the money to paper it over.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at April 15, 2014 05:24 PM (jsa6I)

181 "and still not one worthless GOP leader has commented on this criminal attack on the American citizen. Why is that?"

Aren't you worried that this whole situation sounds a tad Info Wars-ish? Gregg Abott was suckered into retweeting a phony picture on his twitter account. Luckily he's in a safe situation, but I'd prefer if Republicans would be cautious and not sound like the lunatics Democrats paint us as.

Posted by: Shoot Me at April 15, 2014 05:24 PM (EQcfE)

182 170 See you later. I've gotta Bing some 'kelly bundy' images. Posted by: andycanuck at April 15, 2014 09:22 PM (hn5v5) Yeah, you can call it bing if you want

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 15, 2014 05:25 PM (HVff2)

183 The potential tragedy of the Bundy case is that it hardly matters anymore whether he's legally correct or not. Government has grown so large and overbearing, and this administration so lawless and corrupt, having degraded what little good faith was left among the populace, that the issue could be the perfect flashpoint for our frustration and anger. From what I've read about this case, the BLM has been trying to price all the local ranchers out of business with ever-increasing grazing "fees" over the years. There were once many ranchers in that area, the Bundys are the only ones left. And I rather doubt that Congress has approved any of the increases in the grazing fees. I'd go so far as to wager not one Congresscritter knows anything about how that's structured or what they charge today vs. 20 years ago. Laws and rules need to make sense in the real world. That stopped happening a long time ago.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 15, 2014 05:25 PM (0HooB)

184 >>>> And Reid's son is one goofy looking fuck.

"The turd doesn't fall far from the asshole..."

Multiple turds. As Matt Continetti pointed out in one of his typically incisive pieces,

"ReidÂ’s four sons are lawyers, as is his son-in-law. They make their money furthering the interests of paying clients, clients operating businesses in the state represented by Reid."

Quite the family business. Nice work if you can get it.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 15, 2014 05:25 PM (noWW6)

185 Quisling fuckstick if you ask me It's a one to many relationship. Rory Reid appears in many definitions.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 15, 2014 05:26 PM (qKrH5)

186 When they used water hoses and dogs in Birmingham, Harry Reid was there. When they rioted in Newark, Harry Reid was there. When the Georgia National Guard went to end routing in Detroit, Harry Reid was there.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 15, 2014 05:26 PM (e8kgV)

187 you know what i read about Bundy and the group on a left site? Kill them! just like Kill the Obscure Video guy!midler and others kill the militias people! left kill those right wingers- gaia worshippers for such a tender hearted bunch they sure are blood thirsty. yeah.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 05:26 PM (nqBYe)

188 Harry's judgment is impaired. He was all restraint and understanding with the Occupy rapists by he's all macho in your face posturing when it comes to armed cowboys. Pass the popcorn.

Posted by: Powderhouse Rules at April 15, 2014 05:26 PM (Xv7f/)

189 "Reid's son is fucking Goofy!" Wait....Goofy is gay?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 15, 2014 05:27 PM (hDwVv)

190 >>as for bundy's unpaid fines, why are they in such a hurry to throw him off? They tried to buy Bundy's land. It was after he declined their offer that the tortoise nonsense started.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 05:27 PM (IdOTf)

191 Where's our resident overly compensated jackboot cop tonight? navycopjoe? He seems alright.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 15, 2014 05:28 PM (qKrH5)

192 189 "Reid's son is fucking Goofy!" Wait....Goofy is gay? Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 15, 2014 09:27 PM (hDwVv) ________________________ LOL

Posted by: Bob from table9 at April 15, 2014 05:28 PM (jsa6I)

193 So what was Harry's position on the occupy movement? Oh yeah I know.........

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 15, 2014 05:28 PM (HVff2)

194

HasnÂ’t every American in the last 40 years been subjected to 1,457 1960s retrospectives that not only celebrated citizen clashes with government but made them the defining dynamic of the time?

Or did we all dream the last four decades of PBS programming?

Posted by: CJ at April 15, 2014 05:28 PM (jbdp1)

195 127 Speakingof turtles, where is McConnell on this? Posted by: Maytag Repairman at April 15, 2014 09:13 PM (lW95N) Getting a brand new damn for Kentucky due to continued good standing in the eyes of the Democrats.

Posted by: NWConservative at April 15, 2014 05:28 PM (PrwGO)

196 Laws and rules need to make sense in the real world. That stopped happening a long time ago. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 15, 2014 09:25 PM (0HooB) The EPA fines companies for failing to use an additive that does not exist. Okay then.

Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 05:28 PM (Xed9r)

197 I've been having to remind libs of OTHER laws they have historically supported. It usually shuts them up.

Posted by: People Corporation at April 15, 2014 05:29 PM (pf+hU)

198 Sir Thomas More: You threaten like a dockside bully. Cromwell: How should I threaten? Sir Thomas More: Like a minister of state. With justice. Cromwell: Oh, justice is what you're threatened with. Sir Thomas More: Then I am not threatened. Harry Reid speaks like Thomas Cromwell, when he was chief minister to King Henry the VIII. Cromwell was eventually executed for treason by King Henry the VIII. Henry was a fickle king, no doubt, when Cromwell became disposable.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 15, 2014 05:29 PM (+1T7c)

199 What is the rationale for Reid's We-Must-Not-Let-This-Insult-Pass attitude?

It's probably costing him money.

Posted by: tu3031 at April 15, 2014 05:29 PM (yagOO)

200 "ReidÂ’s four sons are lawyers, as is his son-in-law. They make their money furthering the interests of paying clients, clients operating businesses in the state represented by Reid." Quite the family business. Nice work if you can get it. Posted by: torquewrench at April 15, 2014 09:25 PM (noWW6) SOON

Posted by: November 2016 at April 15, 2014 05:29 PM (AymDN)

201 Lizzy and now they will kill the tortoise they are so concerned for. like peta wacking the dogs for the welfare of the dogs!. it's all nutso, but they get away with it

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 05:29 PM (nqBYe)

202 Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 09:26 PM (nqBYe) Just like they want gun owners children to accidently kill themselves. Happens every time gun control comes up.

Posted by: RWC at April 15, 2014 05:29 PM (QeH9j)

203 If the Feddies were so worried about the Turtle in NV then Vegas would be the size of South Pasadena 3.5 square miles and have about as many as half the number of Casinos that South Pasadena has in message parlors. That would be 7.5...

Posted by: 7 Days in May at April 15, 2014 05:29 PM (5V+Di)

204 ReidÂ’s four sons are lawyers, as is his son-in-law. They make their money furthering the interests of paying clients, clients operating businesses in the state represented by Reid. It makes one think, about these scions of political families. Like maybe daddy Jeb expected Big Things from Noelle Bush, those Big Things being evil. And we know that George Bush Senior expected a lot of Dubya, and Dubya had a pretty similar early-adulthood as Noelle. See also, "the Kennedies". But not George W Bush's kids, interestingly.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 15, 2014 05:30 PM (30eLQ)

205 Aren't you worried that this whole situation sounds a tad Info Wars-ish? Yes. paid snipers zeroing in on taxpaying citizens and Jackboots tasing pregnant moms...Yeah, Alex Joneish.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 15, 2014 05:30 PM (thLL8)

206 191 Where's our resident overly compensated jackboot cop tonight? navycopjoe? He seems alright. Posted by: bonhomme at April 15, 2014 09:28 PM (qKrH5) Here I thought he was just a poor miserable bears fan

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 15, 2014 05:30 PM (HVff2)

207 What's all this fuss about the Brady Bunch?

Posted by: Emily Litella at April 15, 2014 05:31 PM (CpWI4)

208 >>Happens every time gun control comes up Which reminds me - why no weeks long media orgy of the stabby student? Why has Obama and/or Michelle not flown in to grieve with the parents and administrators?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 05:31 PM (IdOTf)

209 Reid was wearing his "hangin around the park" sunglasses today.

Posted by: People Corporation at April 15, 2014 05:32 PM (pf+hU)

210 Gordie: Alright, alright, Mickey's a mouse, Donald's a duck, Pluto's a dog. What's Goofy? Teddy: Goofy's a dog. He's definitely a dog. Chris: He can't be a dog. He drives a car and wears a hat. Vern: Oh, God. That's weird. What the hell is Goofy?

Posted by: RWC at April 15, 2014 05:33 PM (QeH9j)

211 If you hold your breath and go over to infowars.com, you'll see that there is perhaps a personal connection between this and Reid, which is why he is acting like a tin pot despot.

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at April 15, 2014 05:33 PM (25HWz)

212 The Bundys cost Harry Reid money and face. That's worth killing for to Harry Reid.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 15, 2014 05:34 PM (XO6WW)

213 TFG will not let a little pissant rancher beat him after Assad & Putin made him look like a fool

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 15, 2014 05:35 PM (HVff2)

214 What some are missing... is that this case is tailor made for the State. They can argue that this White Male Rancher... who likes Guns and God... who is the very epitome of the Old West Values... has broken their Law. And they must use their Militarized Police, to enforce their Law... Notice, I don't use the word Justice... because IMO Justice is on the Rancher's side... but the Law is amazingly enough on the side of... those who made the law. Thus they have a pretext to use Force against the Bundys.... and will... My prediction? They are watching, and know that the folks there work.... so can't stay long. They will use the Debt he owes (and maybe back taxes?) to seize ALL the Bundy Assets, and move in with overwhelming force once the 'militia' members have to go home to make a living. Because all Low info Voters hear is? Bundy broke the LAW....

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 15, 2014 05:35 PM (84gbM)

215 [iReid was wearing his "hangin around the park" sunglasses today. [/I] And driving the van with "frree candie" spray painted on the side.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 15, 2014 05:35 PM (0HooB)

216 The Chinese are going to be angry when Dirty Harry fails to deliver the land.

Posted by: Kristophr at April 15, 2014 05:35 PM (c6N69)

217 So the BLM really had snipers on the ground? I mean there's a fog of war thing going on here. Do we know exactly what went down right now?

Posted by: Max Power at April 15, 2014 05:36 PM (q177U)

218 shibumi - Reid was directly involved in a different plot of land. Granted: if one was thinking Reid wasn't thinking about this plot of land too, one would be suffering from a failure of imagination, from which Reid does not himself suffer.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 15, 2014 05:36 PM (30eLQ)

219 Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 09:31 PM (IdOTf) Knife control, if it only saves one little fat ass bastard child

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 15, 2014 05:36 PM (HVff2)

220 ONT's up.

Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2014 05:37 PM (8lmkt)

221 >>Knife control, if it only saves one little fat ass bastard child. Patience. They have to outlaw guns first, THEN they go after knives.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 05:38 PM (IdOTf)

222 There were "ban the blade" adverts all over London when I was there circa 1990. Knife control will be next.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 15, 2014 05:38 PM (30eLQ)

223 c'mon, before I embarrass myself further . . .

Posted by: Peaches at April 15, 2014 05:38 PM (8lmkt)

224 This line really struck me: "if the populace were really in such a state of near-rebellion such that the tiniest spark from a Nevada cattleman could set off a conflagration, wouldn't that be a sign that perhaps the government needs to adjust its behavior and attitude?" Yes. Yes it does. And that explains why the BLM backed down the other day. When the populace is pushed (Waco), you get Oklahoma City. That can happen again. They know it, too. Cameras also are playing a very significant role. In Waco, because the Branch Dravidian compound was so large, the government was able to operate in relative secrecy. Their immediate actions weren't filmed in close proximity. Not so in this case, as cameras were surrounding the government snipers. Which raises the question that hasn't been asked: Why are snipers training their weapons on American citizens? What military units are engaging in such activities? Have they no shame?

Posted by: someguy at April 15, 2014 05:39 PM (8XRrT)

225 ONT up......with blown out vertical margins.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 15, 2014 05:39 PM (ojnk6)

226 At least Reid isn't a kook like Sharron Angle.

Posted by: Republicans For Reid at April 15, 2014 05:39 PM (ZqnZ8)

227 Yep AlextheChick. But Harry Reid can't just let that filthy lucre or power slip through his skeletal fingers. So is Harry a Skekis?

Rumours of Chelsea Clinton making a run for politics caused me to paraphrase a famous quote from a bank robber, "Politics is where the power and money are."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 15, 2014 05:40 PM (FbAHC)

228 25
Reid is, of course, exempt from the rule of law.

And so are all his asshole Congress buddies, apparently.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 08:52 PM (o3NFc)

====

So, if they are not a part of our laws -- I say we go with it:

That means, they have no rights to free speech, can be arrested and tortured without charge, can be held without bail for as long as any wants, can have all their property seized without just compensation and can be executed without due process. Oh, and they have to quarter a couple soldiers as well.

If they don't think the laws that apply to rest of us should apply to them -- OK -- let's give them what they asked for.

Posted by: jc at April 15, 2014 05:41 PM (i8c5b)

229

Yeah, don't give up your guns, ever. Because totalitarian trash like Harry Reid exists. And will always.

Posted by: Warden at April 15, 2014 05:41 PM (HzhBE)

230 217 So the BLM really had snipers on the ground? I mean there's a fog of war thing going on here. Do we know exactly what went down right now? Posted by: Max Power at April 15, 2014 09:36 PM (q177U) No we don't. Lot of stuff flying around.

Posted by: RWC at April 15, 2014 05:42 PM (QeH9j)

231 Snipers on the ground, a minimum of 200 BLM 'soldiers' and assorted other federal LEO`s, choppers in the air, and 'free speech zones' set up a mile away in the desert...not to mention a FAA 'no fly' zone under 3,000' within several miles of the ranch...sounds like 'freedom' to me!

Posted by: Dr. NO NO at April 15, 2014 05:43 PM (QQTwW)

232 "Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said. Tell that to the families of all the children that you have molested, Hawwy.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 15, 2014 05:43 PM (HsTG8)

233 wacking the dogs for the welfare of the dogs!
That's what I said about Goofy!

Posted by: harry reid's son at April 15, 2014 05:45 PM (hn5v5)

234 Wait, isn't this the same government whose chief executive told corporate CEO's that "I'm the only thing that stands between you and the lynch mobs" I guess there are "good mobs" and "bad mobs"

Posted by: kbdabear at April 15, 2014 05:46 PM (aTXUx)

235 that it must Show Who's Boss Here like a juvenile street gang demarcating its turf? Maybe Harry Reid can rub his anal glands on some tree trunks around the Bundy Ranch. Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 08:47 PM I'm thinking Harry Reid has run his anal glands all over America already. And enriched himself in the process. He belongs in jail IMO.

Posted by: The Farmer at April 15, 2014 05:47 PM (eBupg)

236 Harry the Reed said "Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," However we cam have Mexican nationals violate the law as illegal aliens.

Posted by: Buffalobob at April 15, 2014 05:51 PM (FBV9w)

237 Harry Reid's attitude really is frightening. For a possible pederast he's extra crazy.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 15, 2014 05:53 PM (Q6g1g)

238 So the BLM really had snipers on the ground? Yes, they did. Here's Powerline, with photo evidence of BLM snipers positioned near Bundy's ranch: http://goo.gl/CMiYzz Here's Fox News, with exclusive video of the BLM snipers retreating: http://youtu.be/haRloJb2Kvo

Posted by: someguy at April 15, 2014 05:55 PM (8XRrT)

239 81 wooooaaaaaah Bundy!!! Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 09:01 PM (GEICT) *throatpunches* Posted by: alexthechick - c'mon SMOD at April 15, 2014 09:02 PM (Xed9r) *cough cough* The hell??? Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 09:04 PM (GEICT) **** alexthechick = Marcy D'arcy

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 15, 2014 06:03 PM (C+qQ0)

240 Reid was directly involved in a different plot of land For which Bundy's ranch was being volunteered as ~~sacrifice[/] mitigation to the Gaia worshippers.~~

Posted by: Fox2! at April 15, 2014 06:06 PM (cHwSy)

241 Phoo

Posted by: Fox2! at April 15, 2014 06:07 PM (cHwSy)

242 Reid was directly involved in a different plot of land For which Bundy's ranch was being volunteered as ~~sacrifice~~ mitigation to the Gaia worshippers.

Posted by: Fox2! at April 15, 2014 06:08 PM (cHwSy)

243 someguy at April 15, 2014 09:55 PM (8XRrT) ***** Meh. I've seen people saying there were snipers there. There very well may have, but the photos I've seen so far don't seem to indicate it. That photo in your first link doesn't look like a sniper team. Looks like a door kicker/assault team in a stack. Guy is resting his rifle on the rim of a shield, which is held in the air as opposed to being planted on the ground. Not really an ideal shooting platform. I didn't see all of the video. So maybe I missed something.

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 15, 2014 06:08 PM (C+qQ0)

244 This can only be justified if you believe that the American people are roiling in a state of near-rebellion, and we must squash individual shows of defiance lest the people rise up in open revolt. Of course, that kind of attitude makes rebellion more likely. Self-fulfilling prophecy and all that.

Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2014 06:09 PM (sdi6R)

245 I did see a bunch of guys with a lot of tac gear. For what it is worth.

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 15, 2014 06:10 PM (C+qQ0)

246 I was about to say the same as taco shack . The snipers if they were there , would have been in sand colored ghillie suits and pretty much invisible . Assuming BLM has their own organic sniper units . Of course they could always sub out for precision shooters from a dozen other govt. agencies . Lon Horiuchi retired ?

Posted by: awkward davies at April 15, 2014 06:13 PM (whqez)

247 That photo in your first link doesn't look like a sniper team. Looks like a door kicker/assault team in a stack. Guy is resting his rifle on the rim of a shield, which is held in the air as opposed to being planted on the ground. Not really an ideal shooting platform. Posted by: Taco Shack at April 15, 2014 10:08 PM (C+qQ0) Nice irony with their unit patches looking like a III% patch.

Posted by: RWC at April 15, 2014 06:15 PM (QeH9j)

248 And the guys ina stack are frickin US Park Police.

Posted by: RWC at April 15, 2014 06:22 PM (QeH9j)

249 For which Bundy's ranch was being volunteered as sacrifice mitigation to the Gaia worshippers. Posted by: Fox2! at April 15, 2014 10:08 PM (cHwSy) Best "cap & tradey" type explanation I have heard so far, since they are frantically trying to expunge Harry Reid's fingerprints from the entire debacle. The very same Harry Reid that some say is a pederast! The other thing I find interesting is that the BLM was imposing more & more severe grazing restrictions on Bundy to avoid over-grazing of "public" land. The family has been running cattle on that land for more than a 100 years and making a profit, yet we are to believe that they are so stupid that they would consistently overgraze the very land that supports their herd, but a brilliant BLM analyst with a degree in Womyn's Studies (Minor in Gaia Worship) can write a grazing proclamation from his swivel chair in DC and get it just right.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 15, 2014 06:33 PM (o3MSL)

250 I wish Reid was as worried about Kiev as he is about a few head of cattle in Nevada. Of course there isn't money to be made for him in Kiev, so it is a perfect example of market forces. If Reid crushes the rancher, he gets a big fat Chinese pay check, or his son does. So you know gotta make ends meet.

Posted by: petunia at April 15, 2014 06:39 PM (DAcBA)

251 After the wait for the facts, a well-written post. The principles of the situation clearly outweigh the technicality; the technicalities written by people with a vested interest in ripping Bundy's land

Posted by: just passin by at April 15, 2014 06:43 PM (A9KzJ)

252 Someone remind me how many billions in disputed back taxes Warren Buffett's businesses owe. I'm assuming Berkshire Hathaway has gotten the same treatment as the Bundy Ranch?

Posted by: JPS at April 15, 2014 06:44 PM (9ziuC)

253 Laws passed that are unconstitutional are null and void.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at April 15, 2014 06:48 PM (jsa6I)

254 The government has an obligation to make racist rednecks in flyover states do what they are told. The children of such people need to be moved to the cities, educated in Common Core standards, and learn to be progressive citizens of a modern nation and not living out in the wilderness like people from a Wild West movie.

People need to know when they are conquered. Your kind has been conquered. The sooner you are all disarmed and rounded up, the better off the rest of the world will be. No longer can the existence of the most dangerous rogue nation be tolerated by the international community.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at April 15, 2014 06:51 PM (q5k6l)

255 Hmmm, sanctuary cities, voter fraud, and medical pot distribution

Posted by: Jean at April 15, 2014 06:56 PM (Aqvh6)

256 147 The potential tragedy of the Bundy case is that it hardly matters anymore whether he's legally correct or not. Government has grown so large and overbearing, and this administration so lawless and corrupt, having degraded what little good faith was left among the populace, that the issue could be the perfect flashpoint for our frustration and anger. Tragic? I'd call that a fine start.

Posted by: the guy next door at April 15, 2014 07:22 PM (+kznc)

257 Hey I'm tired and I'm 70. But in a battle of geezers, I'll kick that little bastard Harry Reid all the way from Searchlight Nevada to Sedona Arizona. Might dunk his little pin head in Oak Creek along the way. Bounce his head off the bottom once or twice,

Posted by: Comanche Voter at April 15, 2014 07:58 PM (wdHk6)

258 Get this,
"Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said.

But ask him how he feels about non-American violating the law and demanding food shelter medical care and a stipends.

Posted by: TSgt Cizcismar@comcast.net at April 15, 2014 08:13 PM (af5xa)

259 Deep down everybody is waking up to the idea something ain't right Where that will take us is unknown I smell shit burgers on the grill

Posted by: eman at April 15, 2014 08:16 PM (AO9UG)

260 Was Reid using the Royal 'We'?

Posted by: Socratease at April 15, 2014 08:56 PM (82qVG)

261 Harry Reid, great patriot that he is, should do us all a big favor and go nourish the tree of Liberty.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 15, 2014 09:38 PM (8MjqI)

262 Why would both Reid and his son feel it necessary to respond immediately to the incident?

I warned the "Chinese solar project" was a red herring - although I wouldn't be at all surprised to find influence peddling and graft involved in that enterprise. It's not close by. BUT you know what is close? TWO subdivisions developed by Reid cronies who both got waivers to "unprotect" the poor "endangered" tortoise quickly. AND another new development by another crony, who may be close enough to have an interest in the Bundy ranch.

Remember, Bundy is the last of over a hundred ranchers still grazing this traditional land. Most of the others were driven off by BLM by restrictions for this tortoise, too, which the agency itself won't spend the money to maintain a refuge (little buggers procreate like hares, it seems) to protect, and lands have been given over to developers (or allowed to be used as their "open space") with, again, quick waivers.

Posted by: Adjoran at April 15, 2014 10:05 PM (QIQ6j)

263 We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it.

So we must import a Central and South American one. Boys first, he cackled.

Posted by: Tony Soprano[/i][/b][/s] at April 15, 2014 10:07 PM (DL2i+)

264 And what is Reid's opinion on the Occupy movement?

Posted by: SGT. York at April 15, 2014 10:27 PM (mFKnk)

265 This article simply shows you revolution is the only option. But sadly most American lack the fortitude to take back their country.

Posted by: Thomas at April 16, 2014 02:32 AM (S9KzW)

266 Ried and Pelosi cheered the lawlessness of Occupy Wall Street.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 16, 2014 04:01 AM (qXVP6)

267 Ace, bump this post back to today's topics please. It bears continued discussion.

Posted by: just passin by at April 16, 2014 04:35 AM (A9KzJ)

268 Of course Hatchet Harry takes it personally. That cantankerous old rancher is getting in the way of some serious Chinese payola. It works like this: Reid pushes for laws that grant immigrants quick citizenship if they 'invest' sizeable funds in the USA. Reid and his family and cronies set up a 'partnership' to start a completely pointless solar farm on the grazing land. The Reids and their cronies get some percentage ownership in the solar farm in exchange for using their influence and connections to make sure it happens, and is subsidized by the US taxpayer (because 'green' energy). The Chinese bring the front money. In the end, the Reid family gets millions in stock. The Chinese businessmen get US citizenship bought with money embezzled from China. The Reids dump their stock and walk away filthy stinking rich. The Chinese vote for the Dems and the same socialist policies that made them want to leave China. And regular productive US ranchers and taxpayers get the shaft.

It's a standard Democrat pattern. Seriously: ask yourself how Al Gore went from $20 million to $200 million by investing in 'green' companies that are now mostly bankrupt...

Posted by: anon at April 16, 2014 10:32 AM (lDq8n)

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