March 12, 2014

Chinese Satellite Snaps Picture of Possible Wreckage of Flight 370
— Ace

The picture was taken March 9, but they've only now revealed it.

Jake Tapper's guest says it's the only lead, but it's a logical lead, as the site of the wreckage is about where one would expect the plane to have crashed.

"It's where it's supposed to be," Peter Goelz, a former National Transportation Safety Board managing director, told CNN's Jake Tapper, noting the "great skepticism" about reports the plane had turned around to go back over Malaysia. "I think they've got to get vessels and aircraft there as quickly as humanly possible."

But there are skeptics that these objects are from flight 370:

Clive Irving, a senior editor with Conde Nast Traveler, said that the size of the pieces -- since they are fairly square and big -- "don't conform to anything that's on the plane."

Video at the link. The satellite picture is displayed from 1:57-1:59.

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Pic from the Sydney Morning Herald

CBS.com has released the cockpit's last words: "All right, good night."

This Popular Mechanics article discusses how such a large object can just disappear without a trace.

A system that would use satellites to beam an airliner's position and other vital information is not only possible—it's already being used on some planes. In fact, on long-haul routes that fly over the North Pole or the Pacific Ocean, where radar coverage can be iffy, the latest models from Boeing and Airbus are using data link communications to transmit GPS coordinates and status updates.

But the particular Boeing 777-200 flown here didn't have that technology.

The fact that the plane did not offer communications during the presumed tragedy is not notable, it turns out.

"All we know for sure is that a plane went down with no warning or communication from the crew," says Patrick Smith, a pilot for a major airline and the author of Cockpit Confidential. While that would suggest a sudden and dramatic event such as a bomb, Smith cautioned that pilots in an emergency are trained to focus on flying first, with communicating to the ground a lower priority.

I read another article which said a pilot's goals in an emergency were: 1. Aviate 2. Navigate 3. Communicate. Further, an article said that when a plane is far from any tower, communication is not as simple as just picking up a radio and pushing the button; it is often a multi-step process, which might be difficult during a true emergency.

So assuming this was a sudden disaster, it's not strange that the cockpit issued no information to the outside world.

BTW, I've wanted to put up a flight 370 post for days-- but commenters were always ahead of me in the comments! This is the first time I feel like I'm posting something that's reasonably fresh.

About Where It's Supposed To Be: @rdbrewer4 says FoxNews has offered some skepticism on this picture. The debris are only 115 miles from the last known position of the plane. I think he's suggesting that a plane falling from 35,000 feet would move a lot further from its last known position before crashing. He says he doesn't think that drifting on the sea can bridge the gap.


And... If you're the type of person who can't help seeing Omens in things (I pride myself in being a rationalist, but I can't help doing it myself), this news from four days ago will give you your Recommended Daily Allowance of Doom.

A slew of shockingly weak data from China and Japan has led to a sharp sell-off in Asian stock markets and the biggest one-day crash in iron ore prices since the Lehman crisis, calling into question the strength of the global recovery.

The Shanghai Composite index of stocks fell below the key level of 2,000 after investors reacted with shock to an 18pc slump in Chinese exports in February and to signs that credit is wilting again. Iron ore fell 8.3pc.

Fresh loans in ChinaÂ’s shadow banking system evaporated to almost nothing from $160bn in January, suggesting the clampdown on the $8 trillion sector is biting hard.
“It seems that rising default risk has started to erode Chinese investors’ confidence,” said Wei Yao, from Societe Generale. “Together with continued regulatory tightening on banks’ off-balance-sheet activity, we are certain this slowing credit trend has further to go and will inflict real pain on the economy.”


And Open Thread.

Posted by: Ace at 03:37 PM | Comments (423)
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1 First!

Posted by: EC at March 12, 2014 03:38 PM (doBIb)

2 So when do the survivors find the hatch?

Posted by: AmishDude at March 12, 2014 03:38 PM (T0NGe)

3 Yes, I guess we are leading from behind. Or following from behind. We (The USA) has become a laughing stock.

Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 12, 2014 03:39 PM (HVff2)

4 You're welcome. If you have need any more of our magical space technology, feel free to ask. We'd be happy to instruct you.

Posted by: China Strong!!!11! at March 12, 2014 03:40 PM (ZPrif)

5 4 You're welcome. If you have need any more of our magical space technology, feel free to ask. We'd be happy to instruct you. Bitch, you stole it from us!

Posted by: NRO at March 12, 2014 03:41 PM (doBIb)

6 The Chinese are just trying to fool us about how poor there spy satellites are. Governments are clever that way, when they're not being stupid like we did with the space shuttle the first time we were worried about tile failure. The government reassured us that there was no danger because on 30 or whatever tiles were lost. It didn't take long for someone to say 'Hey, you can count six inch tiles from a 100+ miles away?'. Oops.

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 12, 2014 03:43 PM (QupBk)

7 Seriously, though, if China did find it, it's a big propaganda win for them. They were probably reluctant to reveal their sat images cause it will give clues to us how good their tech is. I assume they've degraded the images. This is the kind of magic tech that the world has looked to America for for generations. Not so much anymore.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 03:43 PM (ZPrif)

8 You can thank me later for these satellite images.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at March 12, 2014 03:45 PM (C6XFd)

9 Also, China has been blockaded Filipino ships and fucking around with the Japanese islands that China says are theirs in recent days. China is just constantly pushing these days.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 03:45 PM (ZPrif)

10 This is the kind of magic tech that the world has looked to America for for generations.

Not so much anymore. Posted by: Flatbush Joe

Oh sure, they can make some good pictures.

The US made a spineless nitwit the president.

USA USA!!

Posted by: Bruce at March 12, 2014 03:45 PM (igJW1)

11 We need to invest more in destroying charter schools and less in high tech, because payoff baby!

Posted by: Barky Ochoomba I at March 12, 2014 03:45 PM (o3MSL)

12 BULLSHIT !!! I mean Guzundheidt.... Those people can not find sand at the ocean, unless the Clinton's gave them the map... They always have DiFi and her husband .. The China has that.

Posted by: 7 Days in May at March 12, 2014 03:46 PM (WYUAi)

13 Jan Brewer not running for third term. LOL

She can always look up the local little league and volunteer her face for a backstop.

Posted by: Racist Opposittion Party at March 12, 2014 03:47 PM (Cs2tJ)

14 A slew of shockingly weak data from China and Japan has led to a sharp sell-off in Asian stock markets and the biggest one-day crash in iron ore prices since the Lehman crisis, calling into question the strength of the global recovery. ___ That's it trillion dollar coins for everyone!

Posted by: Paul Krugman at March 12, 2014 03:47 PM (M3hAT)

15 China dickery Raymond Pritchett ‏@Galrahn Japan says 1 Type 052C, 2 Type 054A frigates, & 1 supply ship were located 49 km SE of the Japanese island of Yonaguni at 7am. Raymond Pritchett ‏@Galrahn 7h So China is sending their Navy, not Coast Guard, to the disputed islands. That won't go over well.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 03:47 PM (ZPrif)

16 So this info so days old? Of course it is, it had to be vetted first to make sure the usual suspects are not implicated. I have no faith in this investigation at all.

Posted by: Decaf at March 12, 2014 03:47 PM (Bwva0)

17 And... If you're the type of person who can't help seeing Omens in things (I pride myself in being a rationalist, but I can't help doing it myself), this news from four days ago will give you your Recommended Daily Allowance of Doom. If you've been peeking at your portfolio this tax season, you can't help but notice and be hesitant in investing.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 03:48 PM (IXrOn)

18 My God... it's a red arrow.

Posted by: Naes1984 at March 12, 2014 03:48 PM (LiHKo)

19 China is just constantly pushing these days. *** Why wouldn't they? Is John Kerry going to give an incoherent speech to stop them? Perhaps Obama will use his pen?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 12, 2014 03:48 PM (M3hAT)

20 So, I just watched the latest Justified. What happened to the Russian chick? And man how 'bout that Redheaded Crowe...

Posted by: .87c at March 12, 2014 03:49 PM (DZJ+8)

21 Clive Irving, a senior editor with Conde Nast Traveler, said that the size of the pieces -- since they are fairly square and big -- "don't conform to anything that's on the plane." Pardon me, but what does a magazine editor know about plane debris?

Posted by: EC at March 12, 2014 03:50 PM (doBIb)

22 I guess we are leading from behind ___ Barry will tell you he is good at that, but trust me everyone is happier when I'm doing the driving.

Posted by: Reggie Love at March 12, 2014 03:50 PM (M3hAT)

23 20 So, I just watched the latest Justified. What happened to the Russian chick? Went back to Kiev.

Posted by: EC at March 12, 2014 03:50 PM (doBIb)

24 Remember when the oh so stupid Sarah Palin said that the Boston Tea Party happened in 1773 and all the lefties and all the journalists laughed and laughed and mocked the oh so stupid Sarah Palin?  And it was?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTVFQEQ7xTo


Who's laughing now?

Posted by: huerfano at March 12, 2014 03:50 PM (bAGA/)

25 It took a long time to construct the "Lost" back story too!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 03:50 PM (o3MSL)

26 More China dickery China is blockading a Filipino island/shoal that it claims Philippines has an outpost on the island. China is not letting them be resupplied. It's a tiny, tiny outcropping that the Philippines keeps a small # of Filipino Marines on and has since the 90s. China doesn't recognize the Filipino claim -- so no food for the Filipino Marines. Retweeted by Raymond Pritchett M. Taylor Fravel ‏@fravel Philippines lodges protest over ships 'blocked' by China - New Straits Times http://j.mp/1lv3IuR

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 03:51 PM (ZPrif)

27 Folks, that's an iceberg.  I'm super serial about this.

Posted by: Al Gore at March 12, 2014 03:51 PM (nPMjI)

28

Derelict Issa out there talking tough about "treason" because Frankenstien had her privacy violated.

 

OK that's the final straw. Its going to take someone really inspirational to get me to vote ever again.

Posted by: Cat-Snatch-Beavaar at March 12, 2014 03:52 PM (cquH6)

29 If Putin was smart, he'd ally Russia with China and crush the World.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 03:52 PM (IW1TI)

30 So if the photos are 4 days old then they have already had time to send ships there to inspect it... so why all of the "might be" bullshit, it either is or it is not...

Posted by: E.T. at March 12, 2014 03:53 PM (uGlk8)

31 Who's laughing now? Posted by: huerfano at March 12, 2014 07:50 PM (bAGA/) ________ Outside of conservative blogs...nobody. Because the MSM won't dare touch this.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 12, 2014 03:53 PM (0LHZx)

32 Chinese technology What did Bill Clinton give away for campaign cash, Alex?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 12, 2014 03:54 PM (HVff2)

33 Very bad omens coming out of China.  Many loans are collateralized with iron ore.  I expect miners, manufacturers and some shipping companies to be hurting this year.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 03:54 PM (/i3Yt)

34
Open thread?  Ok, I'll ante:

The top Republican on the Senate’s Intelligence Committee on Wednesday broke away from Dianne Feinstein’s allegations that the CIA interfered in an investigation, instead urging the Senate not to jump to conclusions. “People speak as though we know all of the pertinent facts surrounding this matter. The truth is, we do not,” said Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia.




Because politics aren't really a Republican strong-point.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 12, 2014 03:54 PM (kdS6q)

35 Who's laughing now?
Posted by: huerfano

She was just testing everyone else.

Ha! you fell for it

Posted by: Bruce at March 12, 2014 03:54 PM (igJW1)

36 Posted by: Cat-Snatch-Beavaar at March 12, 2014 07:52 PM (cquH6) Diane has no problem with YOU being surveilled!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 03:55 PM (o3MSL)

37 If the Chinese economy goes south it makes the likelihood of them taking some military action more likely.

Posted by: steevy at March 12, 2014 03:55 PM (zqvg6)

38 "19 China is just constantly pushing these days. *** Why wouldn't they? Is John Kerry going to give an incoherent speech to stop them? Perhaps Obama will use his pen?" It seems as if nobody in the Obama admin or any MSM journalist has read up on causes of war. But you would think that just from schoolyard brawls they would have worked out that weakness invites aggression. Will they figure it out when either Putin or China take Obama's pen and phone?

Posted by: Decaf at March 12, 2014 03:55 PM (Bwva0)

39 Because politics aren't really a Republican strong-point.
.

These cocksuckers want the government in your shorts. Thanks Bush.

Posted by: Racist Opposittion Party at March 12, 2014 03:56 PM (Cs2tJ)

40 Derelict Issa out there talking tough about "treason" because Frankenstien had her privacy violated. OK that's the final straw. Its going to take someone really inspirational to get me to vote ever again. Why not? This is the perfect time. You start talking about street crime exactly at the moment that a prominent liberal gets mugged.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 12, 2014 03:56 PM (T0NGe)

41 Philippines is officially a Major Non-NATO Ally (an official designation given to only 15 countries) and, more importantly, has an official Mutual Defense Treaty with the United States of America. The whole point of a small country like the Philippines allying with a major power like the US is so they'd have a big brother who could protect them from being bullied by a country like China. China doesn't seem to worried that we are gonna do anything, though.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 03:57 PM (ZPrif)

42 Riga, she was Latvian,

Posted by: walter peck at March 12, 2014 03:57 PM (Jsiw/)

43 It seems as if nobody in the Obama admin or any MSM journalist has read up on causes of war. All war is America's fault. America either did something to provoke someone or didn't do something, which also provoked someone.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 12, 2014 03:58 PM (T0NGe)

44 Don't forget. Orientals are 'inscrutable'.

Posted by: Erowmero at March 12, 2014 03:58 PM (1gcFZ)

45 Well, I just got through posting this at Neo-Neocon and I still have the tabs open, so here is the Twilight Zone episode "The Odyssey of Flight 33" in three parts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RuIrMADj9U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VErYSJStm3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYIgEJnddAk

Posted by: rickl at March 12, 2014 03:58 PM (sdi6R)

46 I liked the Twilight Zone ep with the WWI ace pilot landed in 1960.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 03:59 PM (IW1TI)

47 Also, Chinese PMI and PPI are     in contraction on the year.  Either the Chinese New Year was a humdinger, or they are teetering on the verge of a recession.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 04:01 PM (/i3Yt)

48 I'm still waiting.

Posted by: Amelia Earhart at March 12, 2014 04:04 PM (ImNRL)

49 I believe a military blockade is technically an Act of War. So China is committing an Act of War against the Philippines, who we have a mutual defense treat with that obligates us to come to their aid if attacked. Which is why America is studiously ignoring what China is doing.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 04:04 PM (ZPrif)

50 Huh.  It's actually illegal in Indiana for bars and restaurants to put the percentage of alcohol in a craft beer on a sign or menu.

http://is.gd/ETwzwU


Posted by: HR at March 12, 2014 04:04 PM (hO8IJ)

51 plz someone do funny photoshops of that satellite photo! p-chop Ookla the Mok on the image! Too soon?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 04:04 PM (IW1TI)

52 46 I liked the Twilight Zone ep with the WWI ace pilot landed in 1960. Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 07:59 PM (IW1TI) Yeah, that was good. Wasn't his son the Base Commander or something?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 12, 2014 04:04 PM (h7P8X)

53 46 I liked the Twilight Zone ep with the WWI ace pilot landed in 1960. Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 07:59 PM (IW1TI) That one's available as a full episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g6RltYf_Sk

Posted by: rickl at March 12, 2014 04:05 PM (sdi6R)

54 "The Maltese Falcon" is starting now on Turner movies, iffn you got cable

Posted by: ( I learned the truth from ) Lenny Bruce at March 12, 2014 04:05 PM (omBWL)

55 In honor of this, we have decided to rewatch the series Lost.

Posted by: DangerGirl at March 12, 2014 04:05 PM (GrtrJ)

56 I think the young ace ran into a fellow ace who was now a general.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 04:06 PM (IW1TI)

57 I have no theories just prayers for the loved ones left behind.  I also pray that wherever the truth lies that it comes out.

Posted by: Cheri at March 12, 2014 04:06 PM (VDGzf)

58 Two of China's biggest export markets are the US and Europe. So why would their economy be in trouble? This is a mystery, as we are in economic recovery, aren't we? Oh and Japan. Is there a problem between Japan and China? (scratches chin in curiosity)

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at March 12, 2014 04:06 PM (+1T7c)

59 Floyd Thursby sounds like a fake name, though--even in 1941

Posted by: ( I learned the truth from ) Lenny Bruce at March 12, 2014 04:06 PM (omBWL)

60

"I thank my dear friend Governor Jan Brewer for her years of outstanding service to the State of Arizona. First entering public service as a mother concerned about the workings of her local school board, Governor Brewer has served with distinction at every level of state and local government over the last three decades. Throughout her career, Governor Brewer has always been a great champion for our state, and I wish her all the best in her future endeavors."

Sen. John "Tits on a Goose" McCain

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 12, 2014 04:07 PM (kdS6q)

61 Is there an AMC or HBO "prestige" series that Obama has not watched? How many hours of TV does he watch a night? Or is he binge-watching? Did he skip out on the Benghazi meetings cause he was binge-watching Season 2 of Breaking Bad?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 04:07 PM (ZPrif)

62 So China is committing an Act of War against the Philippines, who we have a mutual defense treat with that obligates us to come to their aid if attacked. We thought we, sorta kinda, had the same thing. I mean, we provided all the Ukrainian hookers Clinton could possibly screw.....and for what?

Posted by: Ukraine, Forlorn and Alone at March 12, 2014 04:07 PM (h7P8X)

63 It'd be funny if the close up of that image revealed the Titanic. imaginary p-chopping is fun

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 04:08 PM (IW1TI)

64 I am cool with China. Nothing to see here.

Posted by: Neaville Chamberlain at March 12, 2014 04:08 PM (YT7KK)

65 They may have found the lair, but they'll never get the solex agitator

Posted by: Scaramanga at March 12, 2014 04:08 PM (Q6pxP)

66 Sen. John "Tits on a Goose" McCain

I henceforth question the sanity of most Arizonian's.

Posted by: Racist Opposittion Party at March 12, 2014 04:09 PM (Cs2tJ)

67

I believe a military blockade is technically an Act of War. So China is committing an Act of War against the Philippines, who we have a mutual defense treat with that obligates us to come to their aid if attacked.

Which is why America is studiously ignoring what China is doing.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 08:04 PM (ZPrif)

There are only so many crises I can ignore at one time.  The Phillipines will just need to take a number. 

Posted by: Susan Rice at March 12, 2014 04:09 PM (D+lxs)

68 54 "The Maltese Falcon" is starting now on Turner movies, iffn you got cable Posted by: ( I learned the truth from ) Lenny Bruce at March 12, 2014 08:05 PM (omBWL) Would Ace send some hot chick to the "chair" if she killed his partner, a coblogger? I think not.

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 12, 2014 04:09 PM (r7mtu)

69 30 So if the photos are 4 days old then they have already had time to send ships there to inspect it... so why all of the "might be" bullshit, it either is or it is not...

Posted by: E.T. at March 12, 2014 07:53 PM (uGlk


It's possible that it took them days to verify that there was something worth checking out. Surveillance equipment is worthless without an algorithm or someone competent to comb through the data collected.

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 12, 2014 04:10 PM (kMnHs)

70 I work for a steel company.  The price for iron ore, scrap steel, finished steel and coke have all fallen very rapidly recently, even in the US.  Troubling.

33 Vashta, to make matters worse, there is a suggestion that the ore piles were collateralized (pledged) multiple times.  So, not only are the piles worth less than they were, but there aren't enough piles to go around.


Posted by: Brian at March 12, 2014 04:11 PM (YGh2b)

71 OT - Piers Morgan just got punked on his own show by some comedian I've never heard of. She called him a terrible interviewer. It's not particularly funny because it's hard to tell why she's irritated in the clip I saw so she comes off a little peevish, but it seems to be going viral so that's something. Probably sidebar worthy at best.

Posted by: Xander Crews at March 12, 2014 04:11 PM (XsKEc)

72 Very bad omens coming out of China. Many loans are collateralized with iron ore. I expect miners, manufacturers and some shipping companies to be hurting this year. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 07:54 PM (/i3Yt) And, copper, I believe. Talk about a House of Cards.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 04:11 PM (IXrOn)

73 I think the young ace ran into a fellow ace who was now a general. Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 08:06 PM (IW1TI) OK, that's sounds right. They meet and he thought he was shot down and died all those years ago. I'll have to memo myself to catch that one next marathon.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 12, 2014 04:11 PM (h7P8X)

74 BTW, I've wanted to put up a flight 370 post for days-- but commenters were always ahead of me in the comments! This is the first time I feel like I'm posting something that's reasonably fresh not to say I told you so, but I post this info this morning

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 04:12 PM (zOTsN)

75 OT - Piers Morgan just got punked on his own show by some comedian I've never heard of. She called him a terrible interviewer. It's not particularly funny because it's hard to tell why she's irritated in the clip I saw so she comes off a little peevish, but it seems to be going viral so that's something. Probably sidebar worthy at best. Posted by: Xander Crews at March 12, 2014 08:11 PM (XsKEc) Chelsea had her own show (not sure if she does anymore). She's a "mean girl." Her show was basically making fun of everyone. Oh yeah, it was called Chelsea Lately.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 04:12 PM (IXrOn)

76 ok I lied

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 04:12 PM (zOTsN)

77 I liked the Twilight Zone ep with the WWI ace pilot landed in 1960.
 

 In Final Countdown, the USS Nimitz was transported back in time to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.  We can't rule that out either.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 12, 2014 04:13 PM (8ZskC)

78 So if the photos are 4 days old then they have already had time to send ships there to inspect it... so why all of the "might be" bullshit, it eiher is or it is not... Plus the fact the wreckage "is where it's expected to be." This is why I don't believe a damn thing anymore from the "news" or obama and especially the Chinese.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 04:13 PM (IW1TI)

79 Off topic, but I just got a message on my answering machine about a lost dog in my area. The caller gave the dog's name, age, and breed, left a phone number, and referred me to a website called http://www.lostmydoggie.com/ Curious, I went there and immediately found the listing in question. The dog was reported lost in the next town over just a few miles from me. It's sort of an Amber Alert for pets. Cool. It's dark and raining and I'm not planning to go outside tonight, but if I happen to see a dog of a certain breed tomorrow morning, I'll know what name to call him and how to alert the owner.

Posted by: rickl at March 12, 2014 04:14 PM (sdi6R)

80 68 54 "The Maltese Falcon" is starting now on Turner movies, iffn you got cable Posted by: ( I learned the truth from ) Lenny Bruce at March 12, 2014 08:05 PM (omBWL) Watching on SAT. Obama sez I can't have cable and a cell phone if I want affordable healthcare.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 12, 2014 04:14 PM (h7P8X)

81 In reference to the man who says they are the wrong size/shape - Large object(s)  - could they be cluster(s) of smaller ones, which just appear like larger ones from a distance? Could it be something like carpeting or insulation of something which is normally rolled or bent while in position in the plane?

Posted by: Baldy at March 12, 2014 04:14 PM (2bql3)

82 I work for a steel company. The price for iron ore, scrap steel, finished steel and coke have all fallen very rapidly recently, even in the US. Troubling. 33 Vashta, to make matters worse, there is a suggestion that the ore piles were collateralized (pledged) multiple times. So, not only are the piles worth less than they were, but there aren't enough piles to go around. Posted by: Brian at March 12, 2014 08:11 PM (YGh2b) with zero reserves massive gambling

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 04:14 PM (IXrOn)

83 OK, that's sounds right. Not close. The young Ace fled combat out of the cravens and left the other guy to fight it out with a swarm of Fokkers. At the end, before the old Ace, now General arrives, he escapes and flies his spad back into 'the cloud'. When questioned about this, the General tells the tale of how during a mad fur ball, he thought the young Ace had left him to die when suddenly he reappeared fighting like a mad man. "He got three of them before they got him." Que eerie music.

Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 12, 2014 04:15 PM (QupBk)

84

Very bad omens coming out of China. Many loans are collateralized with iron ore. I expect miners, manufacturers and some shipping companies to be hurting this year.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 07:54 PM (/i3Yt)

And, copper, I believe.

Talk about a House of Cards.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 08:11 PM (IXrOn)

 

 

Your money is as safe as if it was in MF Global. 

 

Posted by: Senator Jon Corzine, CEO of MF Global at March 12, 2014 04:15 PM (D+lxs)

85 Oh, and SPOILERS!

Posted by: toby928© always too late at March 12, 2014 04:15 PM (QupBk)

86 Curious, I went there and immediately found the listing in question. The dog was reported lost in the next town over just a few miles from me. It's sort of an Amber Alert for pets. Cool. It's dark and raining and I'm not planning to go outside tonight, but if I happen to see a dog of a certain breed tomorrow morning, I'll know what name to call him and how to alert the owner. Posted by: rickl at March 12, 2014 08:14 PM (s di6R) Very cool idea. Hope the pup gets found.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 12, 2014 04:16 PM (h7P8X)

87 that's kinda close

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 04:16 PM (IW1TI)

88 OK, that's sounds right. They meet and he thought he was shot down and died all those years ago. I'll have to memo myself to catch that one next marathon.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 12, 2014 08:11 PM (h7P8X)
The young guy who ran away takes off and goes back in time to save the guy who becomes a high ranking officer. They don't meet each other in 1960.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 12, 2014 04:16 PM (ImNRL)

89
Former President Bill Clinton will headline a fundraiser for his daughter Chelsea's mother-in-law, former Rep. Marjorie Margolies (D-Pa.), in the hopes of putting her over the top in a competitive Democratic primary for a Philadelphia-area House seat, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported Tuesday.




Speaking of self-perpetuating political dynasties were need to nip in the bud.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 12, 2014 04:17 PM (kdS6q)

90 If the prices of Iron and Copper are crashing, what does that mean for investments in Lead and Gold? 

Posted by: rd at March 12, 2014 04:17 PM (D+lxs)

91 Ukraine only had that Budapest Memorandum. The Phillipines really does have a signed, ratified Mutual Defense Treaty with the United States. We really are obligated to defend them. We've had it since 1951. In 2011, on the 60th anniversary, there was a huge reaffirmation ceremony on the deck of the USS Fitzgerald where, while it was docked in Manila, Obama ordered Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to sign a declaration reaffirming the mutual defense pact. Hillary said this at the signing ceremony: "The US will always be in the corner of the Philippines. We will always stand and fight with you to achieve the future we seek."

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 04:17 PM (ZPrif)

92 Due to situations which none of your business...Phuk you and pay up loans now!

Posted by: Xi Jinping at March 12, 2014 04:17 PM (wAQA5)

93 I remain bullish on brass.

Posted by: toby928© always too late at March 12, 2014 04:17 PM (QupBk)

94 Hillary said this at the signing ceremony: "The US will always be in the corner of the Philippines. We will always stand and fight with you to achieve the future we seek." Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 08:17 PM (ZPrif) She also promised not to do something in their mouths.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 12, 2014 04:18 PM (T0NGe)

95 All of this China DOOOOOOOOOOM stuff makes me happy that I don't have 2 nickels to rub together anymore.  Lets all enjoy the burning times.... Mmmmkay?

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at March 12, 2014 04:18 PM (jucos)

96 The Philippines have been forced to do airdrops of food and water to their blockaded marines. China is not shooting the airdrops down, or the planes, so ... restraint?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 04:20 PM (ZPrif)

97 Who will provide me my cheap shit tools and clothes?

Posted by: toby928© always too late at March 12, 2014 04:20 PM (QupBk)

98 can we just nuke mecca and get ready to rumble?

Posted by: vapors at March 12, 2014 04:20 PM (h72AH)

99 Hillary said this at the signing ceremony: "The US will always be in the corner of the Philippines. We will always stand and fight with you to achieve the future we seek must sound very familiar to the Ukranians

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 04:20 PM (zOTsN)

100 She also promised not to do something in their mouths.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 12, 2014 08:18 PM (T0NGe)



Seriously.

Posted by: Huma Abedin at March 12, 2014 04:21 PM (vgH+s)

101 I'm working from the house sans overtime. Why you ask? Dedication.

Posted by: toby928© always too late at March 12, 2014 04:21 PM (QupBk)

102 An advanced race from galaxy utopia thc666 disappeared the plane and are now having unisex with the passengers and crew on the dark side of the moon.

Posted by: dennis kucuinich at March 12, 2014 04:21 PM (hpgw1)

103 About Where It's Supposed To Be: @rdbrewer4 says FoxNews has offered some skepticism on this picture. The debris are only 115 miles from the last known position of the plane. ******* And you would expect that the area has been reasonably well searched as opposed to the other areas. To me it doesn't make much sense for the Malaysians to put the flight essentially back into their airspace--and area of responsibility--as part of some cover up on their part.

Posted by: tasker at March 12, 2014 04:21 PM (RJMhd)

104 Not close. The young Ace fled combat out of the cravens and left the other guy to fight it out with a swarm of Fokkers. At the end, before the old Ace, now General arrives, he escapes and flies his spad back into 'the cloud'. When questioned about this, the General tells the tale of how during a mad fur ball, he thought the young Ace had left him to die when suddenly he reappeared fighting like a mad man. "He got three of them before they got him." Que eerie music. Posted by: toby928© embraces tribalism at March 12, 2014 08:15 PM (QupBk) I just remembered bits and pieces. Probably superimposing two or more episodes... :-)

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 12, 2014 04:22 PM (h7P8X)

105 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 12, 2014 08:17 PM (ZPrif) Treaties shmeaties What's a fucking piece of paper between 2 sovereign nations?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 12, 2014 04:22 PM (HVff2)

106 Also correcting something I fucked up before anyone notices.

Posted by: toby928© always too late at March 12, 2014 04:23 PM (QupBk)

107 I slways liked the episode where they find a WW2 submarine that has been sunked and they hear someone hammering inside it.

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 12, 2014 04:24 PM (r7mtu)

108 99 An advanced race from galaxy utopia thc666 disappeared the plane and are now having unisex with the passengers and crew on the dark side of the moon. Posted by: dennis kucuinich at March 12, 2014 08:21 PM (hpgw1) And they didn't invite me?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 12, 2014 04:24 PM (h7P8X)

109 104 I slways liked the episode where they find a WW2 submarine that has been sunked and they hear someone hammering inside it. Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 12, 2014 08:24 PM (r7mtu) That was creepy as hell.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 12, 2014 04:24 PM (UAMVq)

110 101 I just remembered bits and pieces. Probably superimposing two or more episodes... :-) Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 12, 2014 08:22 PM (h7P8X) I linked the full episode at #51.

Posted by: rickl at March 12, 2014 04:24 PM (sdi6R)

111 Former President Bill Clinton will headline a fundraiser for his daughter Chelsea's mother-in-law, former Rep. Marjorie Margolies (D-Pa.), in the hopes of putting her over the top in a competitive Democratic primary for a Philadelphia-area House seat, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported Tuesday. Speaking of self-perpetuating political dynasties were need to nip in the bud. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 12, 2014 08:17 PM (kdS6q) Now that I read that little piece over at Breitbart NEW CLINTON BOOK RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT HER SWAY WITH TOP DEMOCRATS it gives me the creeps. So many top dems said they would support Hillary over JEF, and then secretly supported TFG instead. And, the revenge stories begin... One was of Bill Clinton stumping (out of revenge) for one Dem over another. Every stump speech tells a story with the Clintons. http://tinyurl.com/osoud8t It's an eerie read, and the GOP should take note, and use it to their advantage.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 04:25 PM (IXrOn)

112 Remember the ep of Star Trek when th ENTERPRISE went back in TIME to 196? and accidentally destroyed the US Air Force jet fighter but TRANSPORTED the PILOT onto the ship just in time?

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at March 12, 2014 04:26 PM (IW1TI)

113 Remember in Thunderball when the Nato jet crashed in the ocean? Was it one jet or a whole squadron? How did they do that? I thought he just landed it on the ocean, if possible, and it sank to the bottom.

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 12, 2014 04:26 PM (r7mtu)

114 Damn it I'm over my telegraph.co.uk allotment so do not know if they included the copper story but that is in a CNBC story: The Scary Factors Behind Copper's Price Plunge [...]A slowdown in the global economy, forced selling by Chinese banks and technical factors have converged in multiple calls for more weakness in a commodity known by traders and economists as "Dr. Copper" for its ability to accurately make economic prognoses. "It has been our long-held (and non-consensus) view that copper and iron ore prices were set to fall significantly this year," commodities expert Caroline Bain at Capital Economics said in a note. "The speed of the recent price falls has taken even us by surprise, but we still see further downside." [...] Chinese lenders, especially in the nonbank or "shadow" sector, often allow copper to be pledged as collateral. With expectations that the government is going to allow more bond defaults—the first happened last week—lenders are beginning to worry that copper's value will decline. "As financial conditions tighten, copper is liquidated when loans are either defaulted on or can't be rolled over, which can lead to worse financial conditions as companies' collateral loses value," Paul Hickey at Bespoke Investment Group explained in a report. "This was the exact same effect that hit the entire U.S. household sector in 2008 when house prices fell, although it's important to note that a crisis that severe in China stemming from falling copper prices is hypothetically possible but not likely in our view."[...]

Posted by: tasker at March 12, 2014 04:26 PM (RJMhd)

115 Yes, copper too.  And coking coal will be next.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 12, 2014 04:26 PM (/i3Yt)

116 If the prices of Iron and Copper are crashing, what does that mean for investments in Lead and Gold?

Posted by: rd

Gold is fixed by commodity groups. Not a conspiracy anymore. Straight-out acknowledged. So the price will be whatever is most likely to screw the retail investor.

Lead is more of an industrial component, so I'm guessing down in sympathy with the other industrial metals if copper returns down. ( It spiked up today. )

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 12, 2014 04:26 PM (PaW7t)

117 I wish Gary Seven had had a recurring role in ST:TOS. He could have been their Q.

Posted by: toby928© always too late at March 12, 2014 04:27 PM (QupBk)

118 114 I wish Gary Seven had had a recurring role in ST:TOS. He could have been their Q.Posted by: toby928© always too late at March 12, 2014 08:27 PM (QupBk)
I think he was supposed to have his own show but never happened.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 12, 2014 04:28 PM (ImNRL)

119 104 I slways liked the episode where they find a WW2 submarine that has been sunked and they hear someone hammering inside it. Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 12, 2014 08:24 PM (r7mtu) OK, THAT one I remember. Mike Keller was the one who "escaped" or "washed overboard" and felt guilty about it and sees the apparition of his crew beckoning for him.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 12, 2014 04:28 PM (h7P8X)

120 DOH! sock off.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 12, 2014 04:29 PM (h7P8X)

121 94 Who will provide me my cheap shit tools and clothes? Posted by: toby928© always too late at March 12, 2014 08:20 PM (QupBk) And they are cheap fucking crap. That was part of the promise though. Hey we can send all the work over to China and look how much you'll save buying these cheaper goods! Too bad the products are dog shit. Stuff breaks at the drop of a hat. I know people who have refrigerators made here in the 1960s and they still fucking work.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis, Hater who loves him some hate at March 12, 2014 04:30 PM (oFCZn)

122 Hillary said this at the signing ceremony: "The US will always be in the corner of the Philippines. We will always stand and fight with you to achieve the future we seek." ------------- And the future we seek necessarily implies a future I seek. Therefore, we will stand with you as long as it serves my interest! Depending on what the meaning of the word "stand" is.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 12, 2014 04:30 PM (dfYL9)

123 A plane flys about 5 miles up. If you assume a very generous 45 degree descent, that puts it in the ocean only 5 miles from where it stopped flying and started falling. In reality, it's going to come down a lot faster than that. 115 miles from last position is extremely reasonable depending on how long the wreckage had to drift and how fast the current was moving (5 mph current * 20 hours = 100 mile drift)

Posted by: f2000 at March 12, 2014 04:31 PM (c7Pp2)

124 Here's a few good reads re: Chinese yuan and iron, copper, etc The falling yuan explains pretty much everything weird going on in China right now http://tinyurl.com/pskjnva Five charts to explain ChinaÂ’s shadow banking system, and how it could make a slowdown even uglier http://tinyurl.com/ngk9fmj both from qz

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 04:31 PM (IXrOn)

125 OK, THAT one I remember. Mike Keller was the one who "escaped" or "washed overboard" and felt guilty about it and sees the apparition of his crew beckoning for him.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 12, 2014 08:28 PM (h7P8X)
Mike Kellen. I think he was supposed to be on board but missed ships movement.
Sort of like the King 9 Will Not Return episode where Bob Cummings was sick and missed his bombing mission.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 12, 2014 04:32 PM (ImNRL)

126 yeah to this day I believe that Gary Seven episode was meant to be a pilot

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 04:32 PM (IW1TI)

127 106 104 I slways liked the episode where they find a WW2 submarine that has been sunked and they hear someone hammering inside it. Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 12, 2014 08:24 PM (r7mtu) That was creepy as hell. Posted by: Insomniac at March 12, 2014 08:24 PM (UAMVq) The guy dropped a flashlight. It could have happened to anybody!

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 12, 2014 04:32 PM (r7mtu)

128 China, US, Russia, Google, and anyone else who has a satellite in orbit is looking at that area. Nobody knows. And "it's in the suspected area" is an area the size of Indiana. God knows where that aircraft is and he ain't talking. I feel for the families, their people aren't coming back. Just a side note, the Chinese destroyed a satellite in orbit a while back pissing off everyone with a space program because of all the debris it scattered around in orbit. Could they have been testing a new weapon? Don't know, but let the conspiracy theories commence.

Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at March 12, 2014 04:33 PM (vVSOO)

129 110 Remember in Thunderball when the Nato jet crashed in the ocean? Was it one jet or a whole squadron? How did they do that? I thought he just landed it on the ocean, if possible, and it sank to the bottom. Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 12, 2014 08:26 PM (r7mtu) One AVRO Vulcan. He ditches it, gear up, and sinks in the shallows lowering the gear to a Hollywood-perfect touchdown on the bottom.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 12, 2014 04:34 PM (h7P8X)

130 Remember in Thunderball when the Nato jet crashed in the ocean? Was it one jet or a whole squadron? How did they do that? I thought he just landed it on the ocean, if possible, and it sank to the bottom.

One jet, a British AVRO Vulcan Bomber (a large delta wing aircraft) - belly-landing into shallow waters around Bahamas

Posted by: Blofeld at March 12, 2014 04:34 PM (Q6pxP)

131 Mike Kellen. Yep.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 12, 2014 04:35 PM (h7P8X)

132 Another point they made on Gretawire about those Chinese sat pictures:  The Chinese would have deliberately reduced the resolution before releasing the pictures because the max of what those satellites can do would be classified.  So the Chinese statements about the size and type of debris would be pretty much exactly on the money.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 12, 2014 04:36 PM (Iyg03)

133 One of the skeletons .. was holding ... a .. hammer.

Posted by: toby928© always too late at March 12, 2014 04:36 PM (QupBk)

134 OK, THAT one I remember. Mike Keller was the one who "escaped" or "washed overboard" and felt guilty about it and sees the apparition of his crew beckoning for him. Posted by: Sandra Fluke at March 12, 2014 08:28 PM (h7P8X) He was fixing something outside, dropped his flashlight, and a jap sub spotted them.

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 12, 2014 04:37 PM (r7mtu)

135 Heartache by the numbers, lovers by the score..... You know what happens when Chinese funny money stops buying Chinese and US bonds? Nothing...literally.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 04:37 PM (TE35l)

136 McCain is going to the Ukraine, just as Putin is massing troops to invade the eastern half ( link in name )



( waves bye bye to John )

Posted by: Kristophr at March 12, 2014 04:37 PM (c6N69)

137
The Philippines have been forced to do airdrops of food and water to their blockaded marines.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe




Long about now probably wish they hadn't made such a big to do about kicking the 7th Fleet out of Subic Bay and the other US bases.

Suck on them fertilized duck eggs, boys.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 12, 2014 04:38 PM (kdS6q)

138 This is the problem with Democrats. Rahall (D-WV): I Supported Bush More Than Obama “I probably have supported George Bush more than I have Barack Obama,” Rahall said. “Am I going to switch parties because of that? No. I’m a Democrat, born a Democrat, am a Democrat and will die a Democrat.” weaselzippers

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 12, 2014 04:39 PM (IXrOn)

139 Those were great stories and as kids we would retell them to each other over and over.

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 12, 2014 04:39 PM (r7mtu)

140 129 RDBrewer, We play the same games. Thing is I wonder which nation really has the biggest space dick these days? I get the feeling we're UK circa '71 bound and are resigned to be an also ran. Thanks transfer payments!

Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 04:40 PM (TE35l)

141 Who pays for McCain to go to all these places where he is not wanted and he does no good?

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 12, 2014 04:41 PM (r7mtu)

142 138:  you do if you pay taxes.

Posted by: palerider at March 12, 2014 04:42 PM (dkExz)

143 Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 08:40 PM (TE35l)

But thanks to Barack Neville Obama, we have no need of any defensive military support structure, and certainly we no longer need an offensive military capability.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 04:42 PM (o3MSL)

144 138 The Yellow Pug, We do comrade... Well technically State or the USAF probably....

Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 04:42 PM (TE35l)

145 Pug, looked at your income taxes lately buddy?

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 04:42 PM (Q8vlx)

146 I'll bet my left nut that Rahall's voting record proves him to be a liar. Who does he think he is, anyway, Joe Manchin?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 04:42 PM (IW1TI)

147 Where is McCain wanted???

Posted by: phreshone at March 12, 2014 04:43 PM (Q6pxP)

148 No. I’m a Democrat, born a Democrat, am a Democrat and will die a Democrat.” Bravo, you're a horses' ass. Your party left you and you don't know it. You'll die, not knowing it.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 12, 2014 04:43 PM (h7P8X)

149 This seems legit.

Posted by: Wi Tu Lo at March 12, 2014 04:43 PM (4+AaH)

150 Another problem with the story is the media and this time it is exasperated by time zones. So there is a weird lag which some media outlets do not explain and then they stir the pot in a sense. It was reported pretty early in the game by the Malaysians that the plane had turned around or their were indications of that and that the sources for that information was their military radar systems as opposed to civilian military systems. Then--it makes perfect sense that they said they needed time because what they had was --pardon the expression--an unidentified flying object--as opposed to had they had before hand via the civilian air traffic control radar which was an-- identified flying object because at that time the plane's transponder was operational and essentially "squawking" it's ID information. And the Malaysian Air Force has tried to explain this to the media. [The press conferences are in [i]English and you can watch them live streaming at this website: http://english.astroawani.com/videos/live

Posted by: tasker at March 12, 2014 04:44 PM (RJMhd)

151 140 Hrothgar, I keep on letting comrade Soetoro down.... //reality Heh... I may settle in Alaska and wait for us to be absorbed by Russia... Thanks Comrade Soetoro!

Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 04:44 PM (TE35l)

152 edit: or *there* were indications of that

Posted by: tasker at March 12, 2014 04:45 PM (RJMhd)

153 Pug, looked at your income taxes lately buddy?

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 08:42 PM (Q8vlx)


There should be many screams of pain as "working" citizens finish filing their 1040s and get the good news about their confiscatory redistributive taxes under Emperor Obama.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 04:45 PM (o3MSL)

154 "Our study found no evidence that drinking glucosamine supplement reduced knee cartilage damage, relieved pain or improved function in individuals with chronic knee pain," said the study's lead author, Dr. C. Kent Kwoh, professor of medicine and medical imaging at the University of Arizona College of Medicine.

"We looked at multiple different ways that glucosamine might help," said Kwoh, who also directs the University of Arizona Arthritis Center. "None of them showed any benefit."
 
And:
 
Supplemental glucosamine is commonly made from the shells of sea creatures, and marketers claim that it promotes joint health and supports the formation of cartilage. Roughly 10% of the U.S. population uses the supplement, study authors said.
 
http://tinyurl.com/nse7ykv
 
(LA Times)
Snake oil. I was in Sam's Club one day a few years ago, and a product demonstrator lady offered me a cup of the stuff. I told her "You do know you're acting as a snake oil salesman?"
 
She said she didn't know. 10% of the US population? Ho Le Fuk.
 
Another reason I love the movie The Outlaw Josey Wales is how he deals with the carpetbagging snake oil salesman:
 
"It'll cure just about anything."
 
"How's it on stains?" <spits brown tobacco juice all over his white jacket>

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 12, 2014 04:45 PM (wNF3N)

155 Dammit, at least one of my fuck ups will not be invisible. It won't hurt anything, but I might have to call a doctor and tell him his voice profile has a new name. I better think of a plausible excuse.

Posted by: toby928© always too late at March 12, 2014 04:46 PM (QupBk)

156 Buzzard's gotta eat, same as worms

Posted by: Josey at March 12, 2014 04:47 PM (Q6pxP)

157 Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 08:44 PM (TE35l)

I was trying to advise my grand-kids on second language choices and came up with Spanish, Mandarin, and Russian, but haven't been able to prioritize them yet.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 04:47 PM (o3MSL)

158 151 Josey Wales is in my top ten movies of all time.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 04:47 PM (Q8vlx)

159 edit:as opposed to *what* they had beforehand via the civilian air traffic control radar which was an-- [holy moly engrish go sidways--mother of gaia!--suck it --pre-emptively--you engrish pendants!]

Posted by: tasker at March 12, 2014 04:47 PM (RJMhd)

160 151 GnuBreed, I agree with you GB, BUT we were a vibrant growing nation fueled on snake oil for a lot of years.... My nation is a lot like Coca-Cola in glass bottles.... Getting harder and harder to find.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 04:48 PM (TE35l)

161 152 Dammit, at least one of my fuck ups will not be invisible. It won't hurt anything, but I might have to call a doctor and tell him his voice profile has a new name. I better think of a plausible excuse. Posted by: toby928© always too late at March 12, 2014 08:46 PM (QupBk) ************* The left nut part?

Posted by: tasker at March 12, 2014 04:49 PM (RJMhd)

162 It's not a great pic, but the wings on that object look perpendicular to the fuselage that a prop driven plane has, not the swept angle wings of a jet Like I said, hard to tell. Could be a plane or it could be a Vietnamese fishing vessel made from parts of a 59 Chevy

Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2014 04:49 PM (aTXUx)

163 155 kid will be studying Chinese next year when he leaves for college. Got a full scholarship to do so.

Posted by: NCKate at March 12, 2014 04:49 PM (y7PFk)

164 Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 08:48 PM (TE35l)


We should have paid more attention when they started cutting the snake oil with bullshit!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 04:49 PM (o3MSL)

165 Sven 1077 Try you local Hispanic grocery store. My son used to buy all his Coke in glass bottles there. Also made with real sugar not that corn syrup ship.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 04:50 PM (Q8vlx)

166 The left nut part? I'm thinking he won't notice so mums the word.

Posted by: toby928© always too late at March 12, 2014 04:50 PM (QupBk)

167 Posted by: NCKate at March 12, 2014 08:49 PM (y7PFk)

Good on the both of ya'!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 04:51 PM (o3MSL)

168 Wegmans has Coke de Mexico by the case.

Posted by: Wi Tu Lo at March 12, 2014 04:51 PM (4+AaH)

169 Commercial Aviation Open Thread Compliance Pic http://tinyurl.com/5a6vrr

Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2014 04:52 PM (aTXUx)

170 Revis Island is now in New England...

Posted by: Tommy from Quincy at March 12, 2014 04:52 PM (Q6pxP)

171 I was trying to advise my grand-kids on second language choices and came up with Spanish, Mandarin, and Russian, but haven't been able to prioritize them yet. Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 08:47 PM (o3MSL) *********** Sichuanese--the food is better.

Posted by: tasker at March 12, 2014 04:52 PM (RJMhd)

172 Shit not ship damn ipad.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 04:52 PM (Q8vlx)

173 Gah. Sock.

Posted by: blaster at March 12, 2014 04:52 PM (4+AaH)

174 I buy glass bottle cane sugar coke at Costco. And they have promised they won't change to corn syrup for the mexican coke sold in the US. Of course they won't they are making money hand over fist on that stuff.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 12, 2014 04:52 PM (RZ8pf)

175 I was trying to advise my grand-kids on second language choices and came up with Spanish, Mandarin, and Russian, but haven't been able to prioritize them yet.

Posted by: Hrothgar

Spanish is usually spoken in nicer climes.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 12, 2014 04:52 PM (PaW7t)

176 Posted by: Wi Tu Lo at March 12, 2014 08:51 PM (4+AaH)

As does our local COSTCO bodega!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 04:53 PM (o3MSL)

177 "A slew of shockingly weak data from China and Japan has led to a sharp sell-off in Asian stock markets and the biggest one-day crash in iron ore prices since the Lehman crisis, calling into question the strength of the global recovery."

Go take a look at the five-year chart for the Baltic Dry index and then tell me with a straight face that there _is_ a "global recovery".

In the early 1980s, the global economy was mired in seemingly permanent stagflation. Reaganomics re-ignited the US economy with significant new growth, and trade then got everyone else moving again.

Unfortunately today, when a Reagan is required, the US has elected an Obama.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 12, 2014 04:53 PM (gqT4g)

178 This is what happens to people who piss me off: http://goo.gl/IRqpPf

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 12, 2014 04:54 PM (r7mtu)

179 Oh, yeah, Sams Club has Coke de Mexico, too. Around here, there seems to be some sort of cartel, availability for single bottles and six packs rotates from Walmart to Safeway to Giant. They are never available concurrently.

Posted by: blaster at March 12, 2014 04:55 PM (4+AaH)

180 166 Commercial Aviation Open Thread Compliance Pic http://tinyurl.com/5a6vrr Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2014 08:52 PM (aTXUx) I wonder if I can use her as a flotation device if I pay extra.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis, Hater who loves him some hate at March 12, 2014 04:55 PM (oFCZn)

181 glocosamine may be snake oil (and it sounds like they are going --it doesn't help and your are hurting the poor little sea urchins so stop for the sea kittens)  But I started taking some MSM a few years ago and it does help with minor joint issues.    For horses and dogs,  MSM,  and then adequan help with minor early arthritis before one has to just use drugs to control the inflammation and pain. 

Posted by: palerider at March 12, 2014 04:55 PM (dkExz)

182 172 Weft-Cut Loop, Which is why I will heaf Norte ese.... The Tundra doesn't suffer fools.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 04:56 PM (TE35l)

183 I'm not saying it's aliens, but . . . . . . it's aliens!

Posted by: Trimegistus at March 12, 2014 04:56 PM (/wH7n)

184 >> Commercial Aviation Open Thread Compliance Pic

http://tinyurl.com/5a6vrr
 
I'd fly United with her kb.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 12, 2014 04:57 PM (wNF3N)

185 "global recovery". *smirk* *chuckle* *spitting laughter* Nope. Can't do it.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 12, 2014 04:57 PM (h7P8X)

186 The Tundra doesn't suffer fools.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 08:56 PM (TE35l)


An Ice Age is a rather unforgiving era!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 12, 2014 04:57 PM (o3MSL)

187 I'm not saying it's aliens, but . . .

Call our hotline!

Posted by: George Snoory at March 12, 2014 04:57 PM (Dwehj)

188 Trimegistus


Hey, that's my line

Posted by: Giorgio Tsoukalos at March 12, 2014 04:58 PM (Q6pxP)

189 180 I'm not saying it's aliens, but . . . . . . it's aliens! Posted by: Trimegistus at March 12, 2014 08:56 PM (/wH7n) What else would it be?

Posted by: Giorgio Tsoulakos at March 12, 2014 04:58 PM (UAMVq)

190 183 Hrothgar, It takes genius on the level of the goreons to let a glacial age sneak up on them...

Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 04:59 PM (TE35l)

191 Remember the ep of Star Trek when th ENTERPRISE went back in TIME to 196? Hah, I just recently watched that as I very slowly make my way through all of TOS. That was kind of a weird beginning. "Hey, we can time-travel at will now. What, we never mentioned that?" Also, Teri Garr was cute.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 12, 2014 05:00 PM (TAzuU)

192 What else would it be?

Posted by: Giorgio Tsoulakos

ERRRRRP~!!!!

Posted by: Lizard people what aren't beneath you [/i][/b] at March 12, 2014 05:00 PM (PaW7t)

193 Hee hee hee!

Posted by: Sneaky glacier at March 12, 2014 05:00 PM (UAMVq)

194 It's not really that the took in on the 9th and only released it today - its they took in on the 9th and their imagery analysis process* took 48hrs to get to this possibility.  (*,  not all may be what it seems with regards to the release of intelligence data).


Posted by: Jean at March 12, 2014 05:02 PM (Aqvh6)

195 Yes... Lizard People ... **shifty eyes**

Posted by: crab people at March 12, 2014 05:03 PM (QupBk)

196 Pretty quiet in here, must be some good hobo hunting somewhere

Posted by: phreshone at March 12, 2014 05:03 PM (Q6pxP)

197 Simul-sock

Posted by: Joewhoisalwayslatetothethread at March 12, 2014 05:03 PM (4jlYO)

198 is it too much to ask our media morons to not call non-180 degree turns "u-turns" or complete" u-turns?"

Posted by: yankeefifh at March 12, 2014 05:03 PM (rDidD)

199 Gawd! I have to redo the hell out of that one sentence: It was reported pretty early in the game by the Malaysians that there were indications that the plane might have turned around and the source for that information was their military radar system as opposed to their civilian air traffic control system.

Posted by: tasker at March 12, 2014 05:04 PM (RJMhd)

200 by the way, pprune.org has good coverage of the malayasia deal.

Posted by: yankeefifh at March 12, 2014 05:04 PM (rDidD)

201 Well, at least they're not blaming us for this one.

Posted by: Sum Ting Wong and Wi Tu Lo at March 12, 2014 05:04 PM (Dwehj)

202 Do all 777's carry large red arrows?

Posted by: LIV at March 12, 2014 05:06 PM (aDwsi)

203 Photoshop

Posted by: freaked at March 12, 2014 05:07 PM (JdEZJ)

204 is it too much to ask our media morons to not call non-180 degree turns "u-turns" or complete" u-turns?" Posted by: yankeefifh ---------------- They have no more understanding of elementary geometry than Barky.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 05:07 PM (aDwsi)

205 Pretty quiet in here, must be some good hobo hunting somewhere ---- Hunkering down for a cold, windy night.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 05:08 PM (aDwsi)

206 Yup, pilots are trained
1.Aviate
2.Navigate
3.Communicate.


Or as my flight instructor often told me: "Fly the f**n airplane"

Posted by: Smilin' Jack at March 12, 2014 05:08 PM (Xzj0B)

207 @198 Lucky Yoo.

Posted by: Wong Wei at March 12, 2014 05:09 PM (ankss)

208 "Our study found no evidence that drinking glucosamine supplement reduced knee cartilage damage, relieved pain or improved function in individuals with chronic knee pain,"

Well, then.  I guess the science is settled™.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at March 12, 2014 05:09 PM (M5T54)

209 The plane had one of those thingys that goes up.

Posted by: Warf Blitzer at March 12, 2014 05:09 PM (JdEZJ)

210 Or as my flight instructor often told me: "Fly the f**n airplane" Posted by: Smilin' --------------------- Maintain control of the aircraft. Evaluate emergency Maintain control of the aircraft. . . . .

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 05:09 PM (aDwsi)

211 For those interested, the price on: Star Trek The Original Series, Complete Series DVDs at Amazon, has dropped to $75.xx. Just ordered another as a gift. Ahem, I paid a bunch more. Damnit......

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 12, 2014 05:11 PM (h7P8X)

212 is it too much to ask our media morons to not call non-180 degree turns "u-turns" or complete" u-turns?"

Posted by: yankeefifh

The term 'u-turn' is not in any way precise enough to demand so.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 12, 2014 05:11 PM (PaW7t)

213 203 Smilin' Jack, Trouble is a lot of pulots under 45 don't know how in the sense the 65 year old retired ones did... See Air Fwance 447...

Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 05:11 PM (TE35l)

214 This just in:  When asked about the Malaysia Airline flight disappearance, Hillary Clinton responded, "Who gives a rat's ass?"

Posted by: Fritz at March 12, 2014 05:12 PM (PnMCP)

215 http://tinyurl.com/luqkogj

Chinese steam loco wheelslip.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 12, 2014 05:12 PM (DL2i+)

216 Hey EP-3, watch this!

Posted by: Wong Wei at March 12, 2014 05:12 PM (sOtz/)

217 Pilots even...effin' nook

Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 05:12 PM (TE35l)

218 I will keep linking to The Aviation Herald which has that top picture plus others.  Along with a slew of data on the Malaysian Mystery.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0

The possible size of those white blobs?  24m x 22m.  Or roughly about 30ft x 30ft.  I am still calling internal camera artifact or very possibly clouds.

And the US is coming in on the side of the Philippines in regards to the PRC blocking resupply of Philippine marines on a reef.  So the pot in the South China Sea is starting to get really hot.

http://tinyurl.com/ovgmntb

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 05:13 PM (23VXG)

219
And they have promised they won't change to corn syrup for the mexican coke sold in the US.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle




However, I believe I saw that Mexico is introducing Bloomberg style sin taxes on sugary drinks, and there was speculation that may cause price pressure on bottlers/retailers and a corresponding shift from sugar.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 12, 2014 05:13 PM (kdS6q)

220 Maintain control of the aircraft.
Evaluate emergency
Maintain control of the aircraft.
Have another shot of Laphroaig

Wait, what?

Posted by: "John-John" Kennedy at March 12, 2014 05:13 PM (30eLQ)

221 For long time, figured it would be US and Russia against Chinese.

Right now, shaping up to be Russia and China against Islam.  (Too bad, US is in the Islam column)

Posted by: NCwoof at March 12, 2014 05:14 PM (aUQgu)

222 Star Trek The Original Series, Complete Series DVDs at Amazon, has dropped to $75.xx

Hrrumph. That's not going to even begin to cover our royalties. 

Posted by: The Tribbles at March 12, 2014 05:15 PM (Dwehj)

223 218 NCWoof, And it's bi-partisan Dhimmitude.... If it ever comes to that I'm siding with the Christian Power.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 05:16 PM (TE35l)

224 is it too much to ask our media morons to not call non-180 degree turns "u-turns" or complete" u-turns?"

You kids get outta my yard!!

Posted by: Cranky old bastard at March 12, 2014 05:16 PM (FvyJS)

225 And the US is coming in on the side of the Philippines in regards to the PRC blocking resupply of Philippine marines on a reef.

That's at least one ally the US hasn't booted under that bus yet, so there's a relief.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 12, 2014 05:17 PM (30eLQ)

226 Yes for Mexico. Not the US. At least for now.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 12, 2014 05:18 PM (RZ8pf)

227 Vodka infused peeps.... http://tinyurl.com/nhb9rt8

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 12, 2014 05:18 PM (bCEmE)

228 I was trying to advise my grand-kids on second language choices and came up with Spanish, Mandarin, and Russian, but haven't been able to prioritize them yet.

Posted by: Hrothgar

Cantonese or Scheuzen, go with the capitalists

Posted by: Jean at March 12, 2014 05:19 PM (Aqvh6)

229 322 boulder toilet hobo, You have to figure the ghost of Admiral Dewey said "don't fuck up War Plan Orange shithead" to Barky as he snuck back to Worf's bedroom from Reggie Love?

Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 05:19 PM (TE35l)

230 218 >> Right now, shaping up to be Russia and China against Islam. (Too bad, US is in the Islam column)
 
Russia better hurry then NC -- check out this pic from 2011 in Moscow:
 
http://tinyurl.com/pmra6v3

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 12, 2014 05:20 PM (wNF3N)

231 DavidA - Thanks for wheel slip link. Always good to see a steam loco working.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 05:21 PM (aDwsi)

232 And in other news that no one can bring you like CNN Lena Dunham has threatened to quit acting. More on this fast breaking news later.

Posted by: Warf Blitzer at March 12, 2014 05:21 PM (JdEZJ)

233 227 GnuBreed, Thing is Vlad at least sees the problem and is taking steps to fix it. We re-elect enemy operatives to high office.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 05:21 PM (TE35l)

234 How much power can we project in the Pacific with inadequate numbers of aircraft carriers? this is not a problem a drone can fix

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 05:21 PM (zOTsN)

235 @215 Anna Thanks for the link. Obama is going next month. China must be trembling.

Posted by: Beagle at March 12, 2014 05:21 PM (sOtz/)

236 And the US is coming in on the side of the Philippines in regards to the PRC blocking resupply of Philippine marines on a reef.

coming in? with a CVG Battlegroup and a MEU

Posted by: Jean at March 12, 2014 05:22 PM (Aqvh6)

237 Posted by: NCwoof at March 12, 2014 09:14 PM (aUQgu)

Huh?

Russia is Iran's primary backer on the world stage.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2014 05:22 PM (QFxY5)

238 Warf teasing us like that aint cool.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 05:23 PM (Q8vlx)

239 Posted by: Jean at March 12, 2014 09:22 PM (Aqvh6)

This is the 21st century.

Those ideas are so passé.

Posted by: John Kerry at March 12, 2014 05:23 PM (QFxY5)

240 229 As was mentioned in an earlier thread, doesn't she have to first start acting in order to announce she's quitting?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 12, 2014 05:23 PM (ojnk6)

241 As was mentioned in an earlier thread, doesn't she have to first start acting in order to announce she's quitting? Posted by: Man ------------------- Don't say things like that, she'll start taking her clothes off.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 05:24 PM (aDwsi)

242 234 Charlie Brown's Dildo, It's complicated. Russia rents her UNSC veto to client states... Russian Colonel I knew used to say "ski Tabriz".... Iran and Russia have plans for each other.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 12, 2014 05:25 PM (TE35l)

243 238 New series...."Naked Tatooed Potato".

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 12, 2014 05:25 PM (ojnk6)

244 Boulder Toilet Hobo, it depends upon how you define the kick.  The newest ship in the Philippine Navy is a retired USCG cutter so it now has two of them, given to them when Hillary was SoS.  Meanwhile the Philippine AF is shopping with South Korea for new aircraft while some 600 old F-16s languish at AMARC where the US in another fit of solidarity to our brothers in the Philippines could refurb and donate to them for free in thanks.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 05:26 PM (23VXG)

245 She was only acting like she wasn't acting but she was really acting.

Posted by: freaked at March 12, 2014 05:26 PM (JdEZJ)

246 I demand you watch me get naked. Or I'm totes quitting acting.

Posted by: Lena Dunham at March 12, 2014 05:26 PM (oFCZn)

247 24m x 22m. Or roughly about 30ft x 30ft.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 09:13 PM (23VXG)

While I agree with your assessment, I disagree with your math.

24m = 79 ft.
22m = 72 ft.

Posted by: John Kerry at March 12, 2014 05:26 PM (QFxY5)

248 Don't say things like that, she'll start taking her clothes off. I remember the Great Kerosine Flood of Aught Nine. Most of my family was swept away.

Posted by: Logger Crab at March 12, 2014 05:26 PM (QupBk)

249 And out, damned sock!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2014 05:27 PM (QFxY5)

250 Ooo John Kerry - Math Wizard

Posted by: freaked at March 12, 2014 05:28 PM (JdEZJ)

251 Re: China. The conglomerate that just bought the place where I make a living just announced all manfacturing will be move to China this year. The fuckers.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 05:28 PM (Q8vlx)

252 248 Sorry to hear, Chavez.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 12, 2014 05:29 PM (ojnk6)

253 Please tell me we have an air base in Guam (even if it may tip over)

Posted by: NCwoof at March 12, 2014 05:29 PM (aUQgu)

254 One things for sure folks..... I feel a lot better knowing McCain is gonna be out of the country for a while. Is there any way we can trade him to Ukraine or Russia for a bag of hockey pucks and a 12th round draft choice? Oh, and Ron Johnson, stop hanging out with that stupid turncoat fuckstick.... *grumble grumble * *spit*

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at March 12, 2014 05:29 PM (/oj1+)

255 New series...."Naked Tatooed Potato".

Posted by: ManWithNoParty

Cool. Then she can join Ronan Farrow, as Mr. Rourke,  in ...

FANTASY STUYVESANT

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 12, 2014 05:30 PM (PaW7t)

256 At last, a photo of Amelia Earhart

Posted by: George Putnam at March 12, 2014 05:30 PM (e8kgV)

257 33 Vashta, to make matters worse, there is a suggestion that the ore piles were collateralized (pledged) multiple times. So, not only are the piles worth less than they were, but there aren't enough piles to go around. Posted by: Brian at March 12, 2014 08:11 PM (YGh2b) You're probably aware that mortgages, credit card debt, and auto loan debt is securitized and sold before your signature is dry. The question is how many times it was repackaged with the same collateral

Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2014 05:31 PM (aTXUx)

258 CBD I knew my English to Metric was a bit weak...  

72ft is about the size of a fishing boat isn't it?  Or what are the dimensions of an oil platform?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 05:31 PM (23VXG)

259 It's not so bad for me, I feel sorry for all the good people there they will turn loose fof no reason other than fucking greed. Hope it blows up in their face.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 05:31 PM (Q8vlx)

260 there are real opportunities to exploit Russia/China tensions VN is a Russian client state, they do not trust China Turkey is a China client state, they do not trust Russia Iran is a Russian client state Turkey wants to ally with Iran but does not trust Russia if we had a state department that knew what is was doing, we could exploit these fractures

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 05:31 PM (zOTsN)

261 Just a guess.  Putin can play the morons in Iran as long as necessary to achieve his own end goals.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 12, 2014 05:31 PM (aUQgu)

262 252 Discovery would totes pick this up and run it 3 nights a week.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 12, 2014 05:32 PM (ojnk6)

263 256 It's not so bad for me, I feel sorry for all the good people there they will turn loose fof no reason other than fucking greed. Hope it blows up in their face. Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 09:31 PM (Q8vlx) No worries. America will run just fine on burger flippers, Lena Dunham's tater tits, and unicorn farts.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 12, 2014 05:32 PM (oFCZn)

264 I've always been interested in aviation mysteries. I remember reading books about them when I was a kid. Of course, the most famous of all is Amelia Earhart. Numerous books have been written about her disappearance, offering a variety of theories that are mutually exclusive. But there are others. There were three British disappearances in the late 1940s that were particularly interesting. The plane Star Dust vanished in the Andes in 1947. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stardust_(airplane) It wasn't until over 50 years later that pieces were discovered at the bottom of a glacier. Now it is theorized that the plane hit the mountain, triggering an avalanche that buried the evidence and hid it from searchers. Then pieces were gradually transported downhill by the glacier until they were eventually revealed by melting, leading mountain climbers to the crash site. Then there were Star Tiger in 1948 and Star Ariel in 1949. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Tiger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-AGRE_%22Star_Ariel%22 These planes both disappeared near Bermuda and have been widely cited in Bermuda Triangle books. Star Tiger isn't too hard to figure out. It was flying at low altitude at night in bad weather, fighting winds that kept pushing it off course. It likely missed Bermuda, got lost, and ran out of fuel. Star Ariel was more of a mystery. It disappeared while flying at high altitude in good weather during daylight. In that way it wasn't so different from Flight 370. No trace of those two planes has ever been found. Presumably they're both at the bottom of the Atlantic.

Posted by: rickl at March 12, 2014 05:33 PM (sdi6R)

265 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 09:31 PM (23VXG)

That's the footprint of a big house. It's borders on embarrassingly stupid to suggest that it is a 777.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2014 05:33 PM (QFxY5)

266 @250 We must because the Chinese have some new missile for shooting at Guam. Dongfeng 26C

Posted by: Beagle at March 12, 2014 05:33 PM (sOtz/)

267 I like Ukraine' s new prime minister vows to make it a bloody fight. What a piece of shit.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 05:33 PM (IW1TI)

268 Wait a minute...tater tits...I might be on to something with that.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 12, 2014 05:34 PM (oFCZn)

269 Who would have thunk having high corporate taxes is poor industrial/manufacturing policy

Posted by: phreshone at March 12, 2014 05:34 PM (Q6pxP)

270 Turkey is a China client state, ...
Posted by: thunderb

How so?

Turkey wants to ally with Iran but does not trust Russia

My thin understanding is that Erdogan isn't looking to be anyone's vassal. He's trying on the Caliphate's old threads.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 12, 2014 05:34 PM (PaW7t)

271 When do they start serving up the tater tits?

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 05:34 PM (Q8vlx)

272 Politico's VandeHei: Jolly Won FL13 Because 'Republicans Suck Slightly Less Than Democrats'
 
I think he's onto something, here. Or on something.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 12, 2014 05:35 PM (wNF3N)

273 Chinese Dongfeng 26c test fire accidentally takes out off course civilian aircraft?

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 05:35 PM (zOTsN)

274 268 When do they start serving up the tater tits? Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 09:34 PM (Q8vlx) I'd like to think some of the 'ettes would serve 'em up. The idea is still in the early stages.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 12, 2014 05:35 PM (oFCZn)

275 Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 09:31 PM (zOTsN)

You are expecting 3D Chess from a SoS who can barely play Checkers. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 05:35 PM (23VXG)

276 It could be pieces of a 777 - I doubt it...

Posted by: phreshone at March 12, 2014 05:35 PM (Q6pxP)

277 Turkey is a China client state, ... Posted by: thunderb How so? Turkey wants to ally with Iran but does not trust Russia My thin understanding is that Erdogan isn't looking to be anyone's vassal. He's trying on the Caliphate's old threads. Posted by: weft cut-loop Turkey is having a huge infrastructure/construction boom courtesy of the Chinese government. They are deep in the Chinese financial pocket and do not trust the Russians at all

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 05:37 PM (zOTsN)

278 Try new Hooter's new Tater Tits. They're more than a mouthful!

Posted by: freaked at March 12, 2014 05:37 PM (JdEZJ)

279 275 Barely...

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 12, 2014 05:38 PM (ojnk6)

280 Also Edogan's political party is very closely allied with the ruling party in Iran

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 05:39 PM (zOTsN)

281 CBD, the only way I can think of such a large chunk of debris being from the 777 is if the fuselage opened up like a flower.  Or we are looking at the bottom of the plane where the main gear are but minus wingtips, aft fuselage, and cockpit area.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 05:39 PM (23VXG)

282 271 Dack

Say again?

Posted by: NCwoof at March 12, 2014 05:39 PM (aUQgu)

283 275 Try new Hooter's new Tater Tits. They're more than a mouthful! Posted by: freaked at March 12, 2014 09:37 PM (JdEZJ) Comes in three sizes: perky, handful, and babooms.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 12, 2014 05:39 PM (oFCZn)

284 Speaking of Twilight Zone time travel, remember the one where a National Guard tank crew was out on practice maneuvers at The Little Big Horn and met the same fate as Custer's men? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jn64kJDEtw "The 7th is Made Up of Phantoms"

Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2014 05:39 PM (aTXUx)

285 No worries. America will run just fine on burger flippers, Lena Dunham's tater tits, and unicorn farts. Posted by: Dack ------------------ Tall glass and steel buildings, filled with people sitting in cubicles, selling software to other people sitting in cubicles.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 05:40 PM (aDwsi)

286 Maybe now I can get me an obamafo and find me a job. Thanks Uncle Sugaa!

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 05:40 PM (Q8vlx)

287 http://tinyurl.com/n6qohuu

A really long loco fight including back up and start over.

http://tinyurl.com/m58a5ll

British novice totals one.


Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 12, 2014 05:40 PM (DL2i+)

288 That pic looks like a piece of a foam ice chest. How can you tell how big it is and why should anyone believe the Chinese anyway?

Posted by: freaked at March 12, 2014 05:40 PM (JdEZJ)

289 282 That's kinda already the U.S. program, no?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 12, 2014 05:41 PM (ojnk6)

290 Turkey and Iran have been in disagreement over Syria. Exploit that

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 05:41 PM (zOTsN)

291 Speaking of Twilight Zone time travel, remember the one where a National Guard tank crew was out on practice maneuvers at The Little Big Horn and met the same fate as Custer's men? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jn64kJDEtw "The 7th is Made Up of Phantoms" Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2014 09:39 PM (aTXUx) The long gray line has never failed us. Were you to do so, a million ghosts in olive drab, in brown khaki, in blue and gray, would rise from their white crosses, thundering those magic words: Duty, Honor, Country. DM

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 05:42 PM (nzKvP)

292 who am I kidding we are so fooked

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 05:43 PM (zOTsN)

293 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 09:39 PM (23VXG)

Until there is some other evidence independent of the photo I would say that it is an artifact.

It just doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2014 05:43 PM (QFxY5)

294 How can you tell how big it is and why should anyone believe the Chinese anyway?

Posted by: freaked

1 . By knowing the wind and ocean speeds at the time in order to  guess at the height of the swells. Yeah, those bumpy parts.

2. Not a matter of trust at this point. China is probably building up a multi-billion Yuan lawsuit against the airline and the gov't of Malaysia.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at March 12, 2014 05:44 PM (PaW7t)

295 Jackson Lee: US Has Been 'Operating' Under Constitution for 400 Years  ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyb1Yi2dCHk

Posted by: Hank "Guam capsizing"Johnson at March 12, 2014 05:44 PM (e8kgV)

296 Yeah, that was a good one. Another of my favorite TZ's is with Cliff Robertson traveling in a wagon with a sick daughter. He goes for help and ends up in 196? at a roadside diner.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 05:44 PM (IW1TI)

297 Tall glass and steel buildings, filled with people sitting in cubicles, selling software to other people sitting in cubicles.Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 09:40 PM (aDwsi)
Sounds like an Escher print.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 12, 2014 05:44 PM (ImNRL)

298 "we are so fooked" You can say that again.

Posted by: f'd at March 12, 2014 05:44 PM (JdEZJ)

299 285    freaked

------------------------------------

Never underestimate the Chinese.  Whatever tech they have originated in the US and sold to them by the Clinton/Gore cabal.    So they are really giving the middle finger to all of us who developed the technology they now (apparently) control.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 12, 2014 05:44 PM (aUQgu)

300 Iran wants Turkey to pull out of NATO Turkey wants to stay in NATO (see Russia) if Turkey pulls out of NATO, expect bombs to start falling on Israel

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 05:45 PM (zOTsN)

301 .Another of my favorite TZ's is with Cliff Robertson traveling in a wagon with a sick daughter. He goes for help and ends up in 196? at a roadside diner.
Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:44 PM (IW1TI)
A Hundred Yards Over the Rim.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 12, 2014 05:46 PM (ImNRL)

302 expect bombs to start falling on Israel Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 09:45 PM (zOTsN) When have they ever stopped fallen on Israel?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 05:46 PM (nzKvP)

303 I guessed that you could get a idea from the wave size but who's to say where and when the pic was made?

Posted by: f'd at March 12, 2014 05:46 PM (JdEZJ)

304 17 My God... it's a red arrow. Posted by: Naes1984 at March 12, 2014 07:48 PM (LiHKo) There was a yellow plus sign to the right of the big blob in an earlier photo... and now it's gone! The Southwestern Pacific's Bermuda Triangle has struck again!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 12, 2014 05:47 PM (HsTG8)

305 Also how long would something like that big float? I'm guessing they just threw that out there so they could say they found something first. Kind of like saying First! here.

Posted by: f'd at March 12, 2014 05:49 PM (JdEZJ)

306 When have they ever stopped fallen on Israel?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 09:46 PM (nzKvP)

Did you see what Netanyahu said today, in response to 20 rockets out of Gaza?

“If there is no quiet in our south, no quiet for the residents of Israel, there will be noise, lots of noise in Gaza,”


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2014 05:49 PM (QFxY5)

307 Revis signed with the Patriots

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 05:49 PM (nzKvP)

308 When have they ever stopped fallen on Israel? Posted by: Nevergiveup yes a really big one from Iran High-ranking Iranian military and security officials have warned Turkey on a number of occasions in the past few years of serious retaliation in the event of an attack against Iran by the United States or Israel, the presumption being that NATOÂ’s Turkey-based antimissile system would be used in such an operation. Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh, a senior commander in the powerful Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps and the head of its aerospace division, said in November 2011 that Iran would hit radar installations in Turkey if the United States or Israel attacked Iran

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 05:50 PM (zOTsN)

309 Did you see what Netanyahu said today, in response to 20 rockets out of Gaza? “If there is no quiet in our south, no quiet for the residents of Israel, there will be noise, lots of noise in Gaza,” Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2014 09:49 PM (QFxY5) He is mostly hot air. if it was me, I'd level Gaza

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 05:50 PM (nzKvP)

310 296 Whatever tech they have originated in the US and sold to them by the Clinton/Gore cabal. Posted by: NCwoof at March 12, 2014 09:44 PM (aUQgu) In exchange for (illegal) campaign contributions. That's when I first realized that the Republicans in Congress were not serious people. Instead of charging Clinton with treason, they turned it into a stupid sex scandal. Which in turn played into the Democrat meme that works so well with young people, "Those Repukes are just shriveled-up prudes who are against sex."

Posted by: rickl at March 12, 2014 05:50 PM (sdi6R)

311 While I am confident for once that the splodey building in new York was because of a gas leak, I had a bit of a start today when a low flying plane flew slowly over my house and on the underneath was painted "pipeline patrol". It isn't a normal occurrence, first time in the almost 10 years I have lived here that has happened. Makes me wonder if there are some specific infrastructure threats.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 12, 2014 05:51 PM (RZ8pf)

312 Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 09:49 PM (nzKvP)

Hah!

Belichik loves to stick it to the jets and their idiot coach.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2014 05:51 PM (QFxY5)

313 Hah! Belichik loves to stick it to the jets and their idiot coach. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2014 09:51 PM (QFxY5) Meanwhile the Jets got like 60 Million under the cap and there is nobody left to sign? Typical ha

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 05:52 PM (nzKvP)

314 There are only so many crises I can ignore at one time. The Phillipines will just need to take a number. Posted by: Susan Rice at March 12, 2014 08:09 PM (D+lxs) Find yourself a "provocative" YouTube video, sugar britches. Then you'll be on familiar ground...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 12, 2014 05:52 PM (HsTG8)

315 From the Sydney Morning Herald they give dimensions of the 'debris' in the photos.

According to the agency, the pieces measure 13m by 18m, 14m by 19m and 24m by 22m. For context, the missing Boeing 777-200 aircraft is about 64m long.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 05:53 PM (23VXG)

316 I'd level Gaza

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 09:50 PM (nzKvP)

There is a lot of leftist pressure to give in to the palies, so he is doing okay in my book.

But yes, if I were the prime minister of Israel, Gaza would be a wasteland.

Well, a flat wasteland without any buildings more than five feet high.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2014 05:53 PM (QFxY5)

317 I cursed myself, as usual. I bought Apple router & thought it was easiest ever to set it up. Now new network will not recognize wireless printer. I am reinstalling it.

Posted by: Carol at March 12, 2014 05:54 PM (gjOCp)

318 PGS those pipeline planes are constantly flying and inspecting. Probably routine.

Posted by: f'd at March 12, 2014 05:54 PM (JdEZJ)

319 307   rickl

For me, crucial part of the charade is freaking China got the tech detail x detail.  And they have been working on it ever since.  Ever worked side by side with an Asian?  They are FOCUSED man.  Racist?  No.  I admire their work ethic.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 12, 2014 05:54 PM (aUQgu)

320 another good ep was the one that was in 'silent film' mode in the beginning and end with the professor who builds a time traveling collander thingy and his flunky janitor puts it on

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 05:54 PM (IW1TI)

321 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 09:53 PM (23VXG)

This is a picture of me fucking Kate Upton and Brooklyn Decker last night:

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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2014 05:54 PM (QFxY5)

322 Wasn't Herve Villachaize obsessed with De plane on Scaramanga's Island?

Posted by: Fritz at March 12, 2014 05:54 PM (PnMCP)

323 "...expect bombs to start falling on Israel." ---------- That's a day with y thing.

Posted by: Beagle at March 12, 2014 05:56 PM (sOtz/)

324 Carol, had the same issue when I switched to uverse. No worries if you have your printer cord tohook up to your pc.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 05:56 PM (Q8vlx)

325 317 another good ep was the one that was in 'silent film' mode in the beginning and end with the professor who builds a time traveling collander thingy and his flunky janitor puts it on Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 09:54 PM (IW1TI) That one starred Buster Keaton. The "time hat" was hilarious, studded with Fourth of July sparklers.

Posted by: rickl at March 12, 2014 05:56 PM (sdi6R)

326 Hey anyone checked Area 51 yet for that Airliner yet?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 05:56 PM (nzKvP)

327 No seriously I have lived here for almost 10 years with the pipeline running right behind my house and I have never once in 10 years seen that plane. And here's the thing, it was just flying over again. Twice in one day 4 hours apart. Not. Routine.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 12, 2014 05:58 PM (RZ8pf)

328 I have heard speculation that this event was a terrorist practice test and that explains why no clear claim of responsibility has been made. They bad guys are keeping their mouths shut to protect their methods and assets until after a much bigger attack is carried out.

Posted by: eman at March 12, 2014 05:59 PM (AO9UG)

329 Well... this is just PERFECT John McCain Is Going To Ukraine http://tinyurl.com/oc6nn3y I wonder if he's going to give them tips on securing their borders

Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2014 05:59 PM (aTXUx)

330 290>> "Until there is some other evidence independent of the photo I would say that it is an artifact. It just doesn't make any sense." If you follow the link in the beginning of the thread there are some other video links from CNN. One of the earlier videos shows the flight path making a left turn and ending up over the Straits of Malacca when it disappeared. The video that discusses the photo of the 'wreckage' places the crash site on the opposite side of Indonesia in the south China Sea. CNN is nothing but a spout for rumors and half-ass speculation. I wouldn't take anything they report at face value. I don't even watch it when I'm at the airport with nothing to do.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 12, 2014 06:00 PM (60Vyp)

331 Flight 777 - look at cell phone data? http://tinyurl.com/q2l4axt

Posted by: Feh at March 12, 2014 06:00 PM (g/zj9)

332 I hope the Ukraine takes ol Juan hostage or something. My friendsh. Fuckin sellout.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 06:00 PM (Q8vlx)

333 Glide ratio on a dead-stick 777 is prolly 10 or 12:1 so long as it was intact and the pilots were in control. From 35000 feet, that would be 70 ish miles, so the debris field is plausible.

Posted by: Luke duke at March 12, 2014 06:01 PM (qyRUG)

334 Posted by: eman at March 12, 2014 09:59 PM (AO9UG)

But in the absence of any data, you have to go with the odds. And the numbers are overwhelming that it was an accident.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2014 06:01 PM (QFxY5)

335 One of the ZH commenters joked "Searchers looking for the lost flight 370 in the jungles of Vietnam found an American pilot who claims to be the real John McCain"

Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2014 06:02 PM (aTXUx)

336 "but there aren't enough piles to go around."


Posted by: Brian at March 12, 2014 08:11 PM (YGh2b)



Crap! Go short on Preparation H!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 12, 2014 06:03 PM (3Li4k)

337 331 Posted by: eman at March 12, 2014 09:59 PM (AO9UG) But in the absence of any data, you have to go with the odds. And the numbers are overwhelming that it was an accident. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2014 10:01 PM (QFxY5) What numbers?

Posted by: eman at March 12, 2014 06:03 PM (AO9UG)

338 PGS I have heard they fly the major gas pipelines pretty frequently like every couple of weeks. I'm surprised you have not seen them.

Posted by: f'd at March 12, 2014 06:03 PM (JdEZJ)

339 Did anyone see the thing about how the air directive from Boeing didnt apply to this plane because it didn't have that part? I can't remember where I read or saw that today.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 12, 2014 06:04 PM (RZ8pf)

340 Nobody likes me, everybody hates me, guess I'll eat some worms...

Posted by: John McCain at March 12, 2014 06:04 PM (C94J7)

341 Radio news just said the New Jersey teen who sued her parents has moved back home and everyone is about to live happily ever after.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 12, 2014 06:04 PM (ImNRL)

342 What numbers?

Posted by: eman at March 12, 2014 10:03 PM (AO9UG)

Total number of aviation accidents compared to those caused by terrorism.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2014 06:04 PM (QFxY5)

343 Now the geniuses are dipping into the SPR to try and knock down oil prices and cut Russia's oil income. This usually works for oh, a week or so Take That Putin: US To Release 5 Million Barrels From Strategic Petroleum Reserve In "Test" http://tinyurl.com/q85ds39

Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2014 06:05 PM (aTXUx)

344 Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2014 10:05 PM (aTXUx)

That's what....36 hours of production for Russia?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2014 06:06 PM (QFxY5)

345 @325 Exactly. Given our ELINT capabilities which can be turned from the Tea Party to foreign enemies in a pinch, terrorists would be stupid to narrow down the search by taking credit. Especially if more attacks are planned. So many jihadi groups exist now it's like finding a needle in a stack of needles.

Posted by: Beagle at March 12, 2014 06:06 PM (sOtz/)

346 Piggly Wiggly sells Mexican Coca-Cola, at $1 per bottle.

And well worth it if you are mixing it with rum.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at March 12, 2014 06:07 PM (V70Uh)

347 Now the geniuses are dipping into the SPR to try and knock down oil prices and cut Russia's oil income. Talk about a sustainable energy policy. And from whom are we going buy oil to restock our Strategic Reserves? Perfect move by our Smash-and-Grab Presidency.

Posted by: t-bird at March 12, 2014 06:08 PM (FcR7P)

348 As I recall, al quaeda didn't usually claim credit for it's attacks.

Posted by: Could be wrong, but at March 12, 2014 06:08 PM (C94J7)

349 Bertram, you see this where Rachel's attorney tried to put a spanner in the young woman's return home?  And the judge kiboshed it.

http://tinyurl.com/q7khkfj

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 06:09 PM (23VXG)

350 Ok I am paranoid once again. I am used to it.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 12, 2014 06:10 PM (RZ8pf)

351 I thought the Strategic Petroleum Reserve was to be used in time of emergency.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 12, 2014 06:11 PM (ImNRL)

352 Did anyone else see the interview, just now, between Hannity and Catherine Herridge? She's always been one of my faves but just now endeared herself to me enormously. She was providing an update re the possible sighting of crash debris when Hannity asked her what she believes. She responded, "It doesn't matter what I believe, only what I have learned through my research." Imagine that, a reporter who doesn't think their opinion is more important than the facts.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 12, 2014 06:11 PM (DmNpO)

353 5 million barrels that will take 30 to 45 days due to bidding process to be released from the SPR.

The US on average consumes 20 to 22 million barrels a day.  So lets call it 20 million for an even division.

So 1/4 of a day's consumption is this 5 million barrels.

So again more symbolism than substance.  And the wrong type of symbolism.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 06:12 PM (23VXG)

354 348 The 2014 Elections are seen by these clowns as an emergency.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 12, 2014 06:12 PM (ojnk6)

355 Catherine Herridge is the one who dresses like a '70's era stewardess.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 12, 2014 06:13 PM (IW1TI)

356 How does Hannity keep a job? Damn that dude is annoying.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 06:13 PM (Q8vlx)

357 don't we have satellites in the South China Sea as well?

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 06:14 PM (zOTsN)

358 344 Now the geniuses are dipping into the SPR to try and knock down oil prices and cut Russia's oil income. Talk about a sustainable energy policy. And from whom are we going buy oil to restock our Strategic Reserves? Perfect move by our Smash-and-Grab Presidency. Posted by: t-bird at March 12, 2014 10:08 PM (FcR7P) I love how Democrats always use the SPR to manipulate prices, instead of, oh, I don't know, stockpiling it for emergencies?

Posted by: rickl at March 12, 2014 06:14 PM (sdi6R)

359 The final communication with the pilot was not "Alright, good night." Updates say it was: "Alright, alright,alright." Curious.

Posted by: Daisy at March 12, 2014 06:14 PM (ZglKH)

360 339 What numbers? Posted by: eman at March 12, 2014 10:03 PM (AO9UG) Total number of aviation accidents compared to those caused by terrorism. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2014 10:04 Yes. The odds are it was an accident. However, when the data is sparse speculation can be far-ranging and still be plausible. The speculation I mentioned was not really about whether or not it was terrorism, but was about how you could have a terrorist act without a claim "We did it!"

Posted by: eman at March 12, 2014 06:14 PM (AO9UG)

361 Catherine Herridge is the one who dresses like a '70's era stewardess. *** She's a doll and she's darn good at her job.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 12, 2014 06:15 PM (DmNpO)

362 I like the bbc reporters. They always sound so stiff upper lip and serious.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 12, 2014 06:15 PM (RZ8pf)

363 Mathew McConnnaaaaahhhaayyy was the pilot?

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 06:15 PM (zOTsN)

364 So again more symbolism than substance. And the wrong type of symbolism.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 10:12 PM (23VXG)



It's the midterms, and they want to give a reason for the Oil Speculators to lower the price of gas back down to $3/gallon

Posted by: phreshone at March 12, 2014 06:15 PM (Q6pxP)

365 348 I thought the Strategic Petroleum Reserve was to be used in time of emergency.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 12, 2014 10:11 PM (ImNRL)


My approval numbers are in the low 40's!  No offense to Kerry, but even global warming takes a back seat to that.

Posted by: Jug Hussein Ears at March 12, 2014 06:15 PM (M5T54)

366 354 don't we have satellites in the South China Sea as well? Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 10:14 PM (zOTsN) Not if they're working properly. I'd assume they're in Earth orbit.

Posted by: rickl at March 12, 2014 06:15 PM (sdi6R)

367 don't we have satellites in the South China Sea as well? Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 10:14 PM (zOTsN) Yup, they are in the same storage shed as out space shuttles and extra F-22s

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 06:16 PM (nzKvP)

368 Daisy: the pilot was channelin his inner Mathew McCaughnahy.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 06:16 PM (Q8vlx)

369 348 I thought the Strategic Petroleum Reserve was to be used in time of emergency. Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 12, 2014 10:11 PM (ImNRL) Under a Dem presidency, a noticeable rise in gas prices resulting in a noticeable drop in poll numbers constitutes an emergency

Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2014 06:16 PM (aTXUx)

370 according to the Daily Mail, China, Malaysia and us are rushing to the presumed spot of the debris

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 06:17 PM (zOTsN)

371 did the pilot say something about time being a flat circle and he was ready to tie it off

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 06:18 PM (zOTsN)

372 "Meanwhile the Philippine AF is shopping with South Korea for new aircraft while some 600 old F-16s languish at AMARC where the US in another fit of solidarity to our brothers in the Philippines could refurb and donate to them for free in thanks."

AMARC is slowly pulling F-16 frames and refitting them as robot target drones.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 12, 2014 06:21 PM (gqT4g)

373 The picture is fuzzy, but it sure looks like a Colonial Raptor to me.

Posted by: eman at March 12, 2014 06:21 PM (AO9UG)

374 We are becoming the most unreliable Allie in the World. Thanks obama

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 06:22 PM (nzKvP)

375 "She was providing an update re the possible sighting of crash debris when Hannity asked her what she believes. She responded, 'It doesn't matter what I believe, only what I have learned through my research.' Imagine that, a reporter who doesn't think their opinion is more important than the facts."

Hannity no doubt finds that utterly incomprehensible.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 12, 2014 06:22 PM (gqT4g)

376 AMARC has to since they are out of F-4 Phantoms.  The GAF scraps their F-4Fs.  While Turkey still has a few flying. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 06:23 PM (23VXG)

377 I think, upon further inspection, that look's like the plane Bush flew in the Air Guard. Boooosh!

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 06:23 PM (Q8vlx)

378 Secretary of State John Kerry, deeming climate change a “top-tier diplomatic priority,” has decided to make the controversial topic the subject of his first policy initiative and is instructing U.S. emissaries worldwide to push the agenda. “Protecting our environment and meeting the challenge of global climate change is a critical mission for me as our country's top diplomat,” Kerry wrote in his Policy Guidance, which was released Friday and marked his first since becoming secretary in February 2013. “It's also a critical mission for all of you: our brave men and women on the front lines of direct diplomacy,” he said. eat me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 06:24 PM (nzKvP)

379 I'll bet there is a sulpher slick close by.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 06:24 PM (Q8vlx)

380 Here's a clip of what usually happens when a passenger airliner ditches into the water. Kenya Airways 431 767 which was ditching while the crew fought hijackers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwawGYg8FEU What Sully pulled off in the Hudson was truly against huge odds when it comes to a water ditching

Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2014 06:24 PM (aTXUx)

381 thunderb have you seen the last post on the Jet Photos forum.  Someone remembered the 747 with the uncommanded cargo hatch opening in flight.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 06:25 PM (23VXG)

382 372 "She was providing an update re the possible sighting of crash debris when Hannity asked her what she believes. She responded, 'It doesn't matter what I believe, only what I have learned through my research.' Imagine that, a reporter who doesn't think their opinion is more important than the facts." Hannity no doubt finds that utterly incomprehensible. Posted by: torquewrench at March 12, 2014 10:22 PM (gqT4g) Add that one to a long list of them. One day Sean will beat that sneaky mouse to the cheese.

Posted by: eman at March 12, 2014 06:26 PM (AO9UG)

383 What Sully pulled off in the Hudson was truly against huge odds when it comes to a water ditching Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2014 10:24 PM (aTXUx) Well the Hudson is usually so chock full of dead bodies and toxic sludge that it is almost like landing on asphalt

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 06:26 PM (nzKvP)

384 That plane STILL hasn't landed?  It has to be close to running out of fuel by now.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at March 12, 2014 06:26 PM (jucos)

385 Flight was 2/3 Chinese citizens.  Hard to believe, with their tech, they were not tracking this flight start to tragic end, and know the cause of the downing.  My guess is they are in pursuit of the perps, if any, and will quietly let the public know of their internal investigation.

Req reading:  Sun Tzu

Posted by: NCwoof at March 12, 2014 06:28 PM (aUQgu)

386 The terrorists said"Take this plane to New Jersey!" So the pilot hit the self-destruct button.

Posted by: eman at March 12, 2014 06:29 PM (AO9UG)

387 Does anyone happen to know where Godzirra was on the night in question?

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at March 12, 2014 06:29 PM (jucos)

388 US Secretary of State John Kerry said Wednesday that the level of mistrust between Israelis and Palestinians was the highest he had ever seen. No shit sherlock, but I guess we know who lis responsible for that ha?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 06:30 PM (nzKvP)

389 That plane is not out of fuel. They have refueling planes now, saw them on Discovery, stupid wingnut. Respectfully LIV

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 06:30 PM (Q8vlx)

390 384 Does anyone happen to know where Godzirra was on the night in question? Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at March 12, 2014 10:29 PM (jucos) He was at home with his girlfriend and his Mom watching "The Notebook" That's his story and he's sticking to it.

Posted by: eman at March 12, 2014 06:31 PM (AO9UG)

391 I don't think China values their citizens so highly, all just grist for the mill. They may know something, but avenging a couple hundred tourists wouldn't be a national priority, I don't think. They flood out that many every day.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 12, 2014 06:32 PM (ZshNr)

392 Heh. I thought that was a design feature of DC-10's. One of my more nervous moments was boarding a DC-10 for a trans-Atlantic flight...., although there *was* that fully-loaded, ice-encrusted DC-9 out of Hartford. I'm telling you, that plane was lifted into the air by prayer.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 06:32 PM (aDwsi)

393 thunderb have you seen the last post on the Jet Photos forum. Someone remembered the 747 with the uncommanded cargo hatch opening in flight. Posted by: Anna Puma yea I saw that. I think people know what happened but do not want to say for fear of being sued. I just don't think this was an accident. Something happened

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 06:32 PM (zOTsN)

394 Oops, 389 -> Someone remembered the 747 with the uncommanded cargo hatch opening in flight. Posted by: Anna Puma

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 06:34 PM (aDwsi)

395 this? One plausible cause for a sudden aircraft crash would be if a cargo door opened in flight. Recall the Turkish DC-10 in France and the United 747 over the Pacific; the latter incident did not cause a crash but the aircraft skin was ripped open and a couple of people lost. A cargo door opening in flight could result in the aircraft fuselage suddenly breaking apart. Then there was the Qantas 747 aircraft where an oxygen tank exploded in flight opening up the fuselage. So structural failures do occur in flight.

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 06:35 PM (zOTsN)

396 Not that I have read any comments but I have fixed my wireless printer & added to my network. Now I can go do something else.

Posted by: Carol at March 12, 2014 06:36 PM (gjOCp)

397 In spite of the worsening situation in Southern Ukraine following a Russian military invasion of the Crimean Peninsula, American cable news networks have largely moved on to cover other events. But while Western news networks are focused on the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, a missing Malaysian passenger jet, or a the special election results in Florida, Russia has taken advantage of Western disinterest in the worsening crisis in Eastern Europe. Ahead of this weekend’s snap referendum in Crimea in which the residents of that peninsula will determine whether to ratify the occupied parliament’s vote join the Russian Federation – a move Kiev regards as illegal – Russia has quietly moved a significant amount of military hardware and personnel to the Ukrainian border. Interpreter Mag, which has done stellar work over the course of the Ukrainian crisis, has been reporting for days on the rapid buildup of forces near the Ukrainian border and the hardening of Russian positions in occupied Crimea. On Wednesday, a series of user-submitted videos began to appear on intelligence blogs showing signs of massive Russian troop movement. But But But but obama had lunch with that uUkrianian guy?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 06:37 PM (nzKvP)

398 Carol way to go.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 06:37 PM (Q8vlx)

399 While I am confident for once that the splodey building in new York was because of a gas leak, I had a bit of a start today when a low flying plane flew slowly over my house and on the underneath was painted "pipeline patrol". It isn't a normal occurrence, first time in the almost 10 years I have lived here that has happened. Makes me wonder if there are some specific infrastructure threats.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 12, 2014 09:51 PM (RZ8pf)


It may have been going on for a long time, and you just missed seeing it. A friend of mine used to do that, and I rode along once. Fun trip. Biggest hazard to pipelines is farmers and construction grunts hitting them with digging equipment.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 12, 2014 06:38 PM (3Li4k)

400 388    lincolnt

Agree.  The fact that China would use its citizens for political advantage is not disputed.  In this case, to their great advantage.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 12, 2014 06:38 PM (aUQgu)

401 Valerie Jarrett Calls Her Softball Interview On CBS Morning Show A “Free Commercial” For Obamacare… Weasel Zippers: I'd call it a horror show, but that's just me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 12, 2014 06:39 PM (nzKvP)

402 The Turkish DC-10 blew open a cargo door and the decompression buckled the passenger floor, cutting the hydraulic lines When shit happens in a plane, it really happens

Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2014 06:39 PM (aTXUx)

403 Well, the GeexBox linux LiveCD can't detect the DVD drive *that it booted from*. Isn't that special.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 12, 2014 06:40 PM (qyfb5)

404 The parents of one of the people sucked out of the United 747 fought a battle with Boeing over the cargo door.  IIRC the circuitry was eventually found to contain enough residual energy after use to proceed to partially disengage the locks.

There were at least two DC-10s I think that had cargo doors blow out.  Since the cargo compartment was pressurized, the sudden decompression would collapse the floor of the cabin and take out controls.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 12, 2014 06:40 PM (23VXG)

405 How come no motherfuckin' theory about motherfuckin' snakes poisoning the crew!!

Posted by: Samuel L Jackson at March 12, 2014 06:40 PM (aTXUx)

406 But But But but obama had lunch with that Ukrainian guy? Please, dear sir, this is the 21st century! Armies are so passé...

Posted by: Barack Obama, Esq. at March 12, 2014 06:41 PM (FcR7P)

407 A problem is that just about everything has happened at least once before, and we have to pick from those past disasters to find a match with this one, with very few hints. We've seen razor-wielding Muslims, a plane exploding over Scotland, fuselages peeling back, bird flocks, lightning strikes, mountain range crashes, accidental shootdowns, probably a ton of other real life scenarios I'm forgetting. Everything is an option.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 12, 2014 06:41 PM (ZshNr)

408 Did the Chinese down MH370 for their own political advantage?  I believe that's entirely possible.  Focused and ruthless.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 12, 2014 06:41 PM (aUQgu)

409 but would that take out their comm?

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 06:41 PM (zOTsN)

410 but would that take out their comm? Wire-cutters?

Posted by: t-bird at March 12, 2014 06:42 PM (FcR7P)

411 402 It was Malaysia, so it could have been pythons. Really big pythons.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 06:42 PM (Q8vlx)

412 fuselage failure ok, but would it also take out their comm?

Posted by: thunderb at March 12, 2014 06:42 PM (zOTsN)

413 remember the GEORGIA SATELLITES? I gotta little change in my pocket goin jingle jingle jingle..

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at March 12, 2014 06:43 PM (IW1TI)

414 Big ONT is up.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 12, 2014 06:43 PM (ojnk6)

415 410

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at March 12, 2014 10:43 PM (IW1TI)

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keep your hands to yourself


Posted by: NCwoof at March 12, 2014 06:44 PM (aUQgu)

416 Lockheed anticipated that a cargo door could open in flight, so on the L-1011 the cargo doors opened inside the fuselage so if they weren't secured, cabin pressure would force the door closed

Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2014 06:44 PM (aTXUx)

417 Battleship Chains?

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at March 12, 2014 06:44 PM (Q8vlx)

418 When I traveled, and it was a DC-10 or an MD-80, I refused until another flight was available.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 12, 2014 06:46 PM (aUQgu)

419 "Since the cargo compartment was pressurized, the sudden decompression would collapse the floor of the cabin and take out controls." Aren't DC10 controls cable operated between the pilot's controls and the hydraulic actuators of the control surfaces? If the bulkheads, longerons and frames remained intact, the cable runs would be saved. Jets are designed to survive decompression. Just a thought, not an accusation.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 12, 2014 06:48 PM (60Vyp)

420 Aren't DC10 controls cable operated between the pilot's controls and the hydraulic actuators of the control surfaces? If the bulkheads, longerons and frames remained intact, the cable runs would be saved. Jets are designed to survive decompression. Just a thought, not an accusation. Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 12, 2014 10:48 PM

MD engineers had a brain fart with the hydraulic controls on the DC-10. Not only did they run hydraulic lines throughout but if one of them broke the entire system lost pressure




Posted by: kbdabear at March 12, 2014 07:01 PM (aTXUx)

421 heh. Power just failed momentarily. Fcuking blizzard outside. High winds and snow. In like a lion...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 07:11 PM (aDwsi)

422 Lockheed anticipated that a cargo door could open in flight, so on the L-1011 the cargo doors opened inside the fuselage so if they weren't secured, cabin pressure would force the door closed -------------------- L1011 was always my aircraft of choice. Always.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 12, 2014 07:13 PM (aDwsi)

423 Pilots are trained to aviate, navigate and then communicate, but that is if the first two can get you to a landing.  If it's a full-on bunker-buster we're-out-of-control moment, once they realize they can't aviate and navigation has no purpose, they'll communicate so the rescue folks know where to look for the smoking hole and bodies.

As for flotsom and jetsam, water at any decent speed might as well be a solid.  Aircraft are lightweight aluminum and built to withstand stresses along the wing root, not from the nose.  If you ram a 777 straight into the water at 400 knots you'll have nothing larger than a child's hand left over.  Take a look at the remains of the flight that hit the Pentagon and there's nothing that resembles an aircraft.  We saw that in nuclear cask tests too -- the plane simply vaporizes as it hits.

At 35K feet you can glide for about a half-hour if there is an engine failure.  That gives plenty of time to determine if you can aviate or navigate.  Thus this plane went into the water suddenly.  Possible reasons are a catastrophic failure that took out the electrics that the pilots would use to communicate, or a pilot (perhaps not the one hired) flying the thing straight into the ocean.

Based upon my limited experience, I'm leaning towards the latter.

 - Max

Posted by: MaxDamage at March 12, 2014 09:50 PM (UgtuZ)

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