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March 13, 2014

Entertainment Reporter: It's Time to Forgive Mel Gibson
— Ace

And not just because it's Mel Gibson. I'd say this about anybody. There is a penalty to be paid for making un-PC remarks: But that penalty should fit the actual crime. Gibson's crime was to say nasty things about Jews ("they start all the wars") and rant insanely at his ex-girlfriend.

These are grounds, certainly, for criticism and wondering if Gibson has anger and alcohol issues.

But they're not grounds for a nigh-complete boycott by the only industry he's ever worked in.

People have a tendency to take their Rules and push them too far, to the point of inhumanity.

The Rule against anti-semitic remarks (or homophobic remarks, or misogynistic remarks, or racist remarks) is a good one. I support that rule. I try to abide by that rule myself (and I inflict it on others in the comments).

But what should the penalty for deviation from the rule be?

People take a sound enough rule but then make a mistake: They decide (possibly without thinking about it) that if the Rule is good, ergo, no amount of enforcement of it can be disproportionate; in fact, each additional ounce of punishment must be good.

But this isn't true. This is the thinking that leads to unfairly punitive mandatory minimum sentences for drug possession. The thinking goes, "Drugs are a social wrong; selling drugs is worse; ergo, the stiffest possible penalties must be just and good."

But that's not true. There comes a point when draconian enforcement becomes a greater evil than the original ill one has sought to penalize.

Gibson's outbursts are upsetting, particularly for any of the groups he spoke about. And Gibson's outbursts do indicate he has some anger issues to work on.

But what tangible harm did he inflict on anyone?

From the moment he berated that cop, he was marked as someone who would bear the stigma of being called an anti-semite for the rest of his life.

That is in itself a heavy penalty. Racism, anti-semitism, etc. are now adjudged by most of polite society to be greater crimes than most actual crimes.

So, he has already been penalized. He will carry the burden of being judged a monster until the day he dies.

But at what point do those who go out hunting monsters become monsters themselves?

Because, at this point: Who is it who's actually working to deliver tangible, real harm and hurt on to another person?

As far as I know, it's not Gibson; it's the thousands of high-placed rule-enforcers in Hollywood who are enforcing a boycott against him, probably without even thinking about it very much, probably without even questioning whether or not it makes sense to continue punishing him.

Tolerance is a virtue -- that is the animating notion behind the campaign to stigmatize, and penalize, intolerance.

But this devotion to tolerance can itself become intolerant. And frequently does.

Tolerance is indeed a virtue. And so is mercy and forgiveness.

Another important virtue is this: a variation of the Golden Rule, to not inflict on others rules that one would find insufferable if inflicted on oneself.

If most people in Hollywood would find it unfair if they themselves were blackballed over some objectionable outbursts -- and I imagine most would -- they should not seek to impose that penalty on others.

It's very easy to judge other people so harshly. And that's why we do it. Because it's easy. It's also -- and few admit this, but it is true all the same -- pleasurable. To judge another feels good.

Judging gives each person two wonderful feelings: The feeling that he is intrinsically superior to another human being (and this feeling is magnified when the person judged is of a high status, because it feels just great to know one is superior to a former $20-million-per-film movie star), and the feeling that he is living virtuously by enforcing a code upon another person.

These things feel good.

Which is why they must be restrained. Anytime something feels good, a person is in grave danger of over-indulging in it. Making a new sexual conquest feels good; the pleasantly warm oblivion of drunkeness feels good; calling out another human being for scorn and ostracism feels good.

All of these things have a purpose. None of these things is necessarily bad, in and of themselves. But all of them will be over-indulged if not restrained.

This is particularly a problem with judgment. Sex and alcohol are, of course, already taboos in society, regulated by various rules and restraints.

But the zeal for zero-tolerance "Tolerance" is not so restrained. In fact, in many people's minds, it's an unambiguous good to indulge the urge to judge and punish as much as possible. There is no "mandatory minimum" sentence for a show of intolerance that they would consider excessive.

After all, if doing a little ostracism/Otherizing/ritual scapegoating is good, then doing a whole lot of it must be even better.

Right?

No. Doing a bump of coke at a party once a year might feel good but do it four times a day for a year and you've got a serious problem.

There are three contributing factors this ugly situation of never-ending scalp-hunting:

1. Cruelty is more pleasurable than most human beings care to admit. In fact, they will rarely admit this to themselves. Cruel actions are justified as "doing good." A gut-level, primitive-mammalian urge for dominance games is justified by ideology or philosophy, and hence is never recognized for being sadistic.

2. Guilt by association. One can never say something like "I think drugs should be decriminalized" without people saying Wow, you must really like drugs.

The assumption is that if you speak up in favor of a merciful attitude towards a social ill, then you must either not be opposed to that social ill, or are actually in favor of that social ill (that is, you don't think it's a social ill, but a social good).

Thus anyone who thinks it may be time to decriminalize pot must like pot.

Not true.

And thus, anyone who argues that the penalty Gibson has paid for his anti-semitic outburst must be not think anti-semitism is any big deal, or must actually be in favor of anti-semitism.

Also not true. I'm philo-semitic myself, and known to be anti-anti-semitism, but there does come a point at which the punishment seems to greatly exceed the actual crime.

Nevertheless, there is a penalty that is imposed on anyone who would speak up for Gibson: The sneaking suspicion that anyone who says anything in his defense must himself be anti-semitic.

And thus, Gibson has few defenders. Just this writer, Robert Downey Jr., and Jodie Foster, pretty much.

Most people decide it's not worth it to get branded themselves as anti-semites, so they remain silent.

And:

3. Social Competitiveness. Human beings love competing. They never stop competing.

We especially compete in a social environment. Most of us aren't athletes; many of us work in competitive fields, but few of us are really the best in our particular field.

But we can always compete in the social environment -- and, if we define the rules of the game to our own advantage, we can pretty much "win" according to our own criteria in every outing.

This leads to the bad phenomenon in which people who generally agree with a basic proposition begin attempting to compete for the prize of who is most strongly in favor of that proposition.

And so the bidding goes thus:

South bids: Four diamonds. Gibson's outburst was anti-semitic and unacceptable.

West bids: Four hearts. Unacceptable, indeed! In fact, his outburst proves that he intended an anti-semitic message in Passion of the Christ, doesn't it?

North bids: Double. In fact, one can trace a relentless message of homophobia, misogyny, racism, anti-semitism and Holocaust denial in all of his films, if you look hard enough. Can't you?

East bids: Redouble. You're certainly right -- in fact, I think Mel Gibson should never work in this town again.

You can see this dynamic in play in any meeting of people who basically agree on most things. Because they agree on the basics, they begin competing on another ground -- how passionately they believe in the basic proposition, and what amount of indignation, outrage, and penalization they are willing to inflict on others in advancement of that proposition.

Whoever is willing to do the most -- whoever is the most outraged -- whoever wishes to be the cruelest in vindication of that principle -- well, he wins. He is The Most at This Thing.

Now, this competitiveness -- this competitive bidding in favor of the most extreme possible position -- could be deflated and checked, were someone to venture the idea that "You go too far; you're nuking Gibson over a fairly small matter."

But the trouble is, few will say that, because of Factor 2: Guilt by Association. Hey, if you hate Jews so much, why don't you just join the Nazi party, buddy?

In a well-functioning marketplace of ideas, more excessive statements of the idea would be knocked down, and a more moderate (and merciful, and humane) rule would prevail.

But there rules are all set to privilege the least merciful and least humane rules, and they win most of the time.

And so it goes.

If anyone's interested in this line of thinking, I'd suggest they read Douglas Preston's 40 page essay, "Trial By Fury," available as an e-book ($2 to buy it, free to borrow with Amazon Prime). It's about a basic human desire for something called "altruistic punishment," punishing people on behalf of others -- that is, not punishing them for a harm they inflicted on the self (that would be self-interested punishment) but punishing them altruistically, for harms they inflicted (or are imagined to have inflicted) on others.

Altruistic punishment is in fact a very useful phenomenon. It works to improve human cooperation and mutual trust. It's a powerful tool we have, which generally has benevolent effects.

And we are rewarded for altruistically punishing other people, because it feels good.

But, like most things, it can be taken too far. It can be taken well past the point of a socially useful function and turn into pleasurable cruelty. And that cruelty will never be checked, because those indulging in the cruelty will never recognize it as such, but will instead call it "fighting the forces of evil" or whatnot.

Posted by: Ace at 09:06 AM | Comments (539)
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1 1ish?

Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 13, 2014 09:09 AM (HVff2)

2 Not gonna happen. Gibson has been Emmanuel Goldsteinized.

Posted by: West at March 13, 2014 09:10 AM (1Rgee)

3 Compare/Contrast with Alec Baldwin, who can apparently never screw up so badly as to be shunned.

Posted by: TXMarko at March 13, 2014 09:10 AM (lV9eY)

4 If the Left can forgive drunk driving, killer Ted Kennedy, why can't they forgive drunk driving, yeller Mel Gibson?

Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 13, 2014 09:10 AM (HVff2)

5 I'm sooooo ready...

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 13, 2014 09:10 AM (GjPnA)

6 And not just because it's Mel Gibson. I'd say this about anybody. There is a penalty to be paid for making un-PC remarks: But that penalty should fit the actual crime. Gibson's crime was to say nasty things about Jews ("they start all the wars") and rant insanely at his ex-girlfriend. These are grounds, certainly, for criticism and wondering if Gibson has anger and alcohol issues. But they're not grounds for a complete boycott by the only industry he's ever worked in. Hollywood would be a ghost town if everyone that said anything un-PC where to be ebony balled.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 13, 2014 09:11 AM (ix+5k)

7 That clown deserves no mercy.

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at March 13, 2014 09:11 AM (Dg1cR)

8 But first....

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 13, 2014 09:11 AM (jlm/B)

9 I never faulted him for his rant against his GF. Shit happens during breakups. But the anti-Semitic thing is a different story.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 13, 2014 09:12 AM (T2V/1)

10 Couldn't agree more. Now, about that man who cut off another guys penis on the freeway. Police said they are keeping an open mind.

Posted by: Spring Fling at March 13, 2014 09:12 AM (i7KmQ)

11 Blacklists are the worst, most Un-American thing ever!!! Evarrrr!!!!11!

Posted by: 1950's Communist Screenwriters of America at March 13, 2014 09:13 AM (ZPrif)

12 I agree with you and that reporter, Ace. But.. it ain't gonna happen.

I thought perhaps "The Beaver" might let him edge his way back into Hollywood, but it did nothing.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 13, 2014 09:13 AM (Z7PrM)

13 But that's not true. There comes a point when draconian enforcement becomes a greater evil than the original ill one has sought to penalize.

We lost the war on drugs long ago. Time to quit throwing money in that hole.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 13, 2014 09:13 AM (T2V/1)

14 Forgiveness implies a knowledge/belief that the "bad" person -- in this case, Gibson -- won't do it again.

That's why I can't forgive politicians (Rubio, for example) who act irrationally and/or stupidly. I know damn well they'll do it again.

My rule is this: you get three strikes for bad behavior in the Real World, one strike if you're a politician.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 13, 2014 09:14 AM (jiM5S)

15 Weren't they calling Gibson an anti-Semite even before his drunken cop rant? I vaguely remember something about The Passion of the Christ and some hubub surrounding Gibson's father.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 13, 2014 09:14 AM (jlm/B)

16 Amen. I'm sick of all the scalp hunting.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 09:14 AM (tVTLU)

17 We do like that authentic use of drug language though -- bump of coke.

Posted by: 1950's Communist Screenwriters of America at March 13, 2014 09:14 AM (ZPrif)

18 He's a fag.

Posted by: Alex Baldwin at March 13, 2014 09:15 AM (32Ze2)

19 the bottom line should be can he act and/or make a good movie that makes money its a business

Posted by: navycopjoe at March 13, 2014 09:15 AM (At8tV)

20 I think Gibson's bigger crime was to show that he's not "one of us" by being religious and for letting his religious faith motivate him to make a movie about Jesus Christ. If he was "one of us", i.e., an amoral true believer in global warming, Marxism, and every other leftist position, Hollywood would have forgiven him long ago.

Posted by: biancaneve at March 13, 2014 09:15 AM (2sR50)

Gibson's crime was to say nasty things about Jews ("they start all the wars") and rant insanely at his ex-girlfriend.

You forgot the cop he called sugartits.

But what should the penalty for deviation from the rule be?

I really don't think those were his actual crimes to the liberals. The fact that they have let others off by doing the same or worse supports that thought. It may be their excuse as to why they've blackballed him though.

Posted by: buzzion at March 13, 2014 09:15 AM (LI48c)

22 Forgive me, but first you will blow me

Posted by: Mel Gibson at March 13, 2014 09:15 AM (Q6pxP)

23 Good thing there's no scalp-hunting and blacklisting in conservative media.

Posted by: John Derbyshire at March 13, 2014 09:16 AM (ZPrif)

24 Obama is a drug addict and a board certified imbecile. He was raised as a Communist and is a Black racist. He is destroying what was left of the greatest Country in the history of Mankind because he is too stupid to understand what he is enabling. He should be dragged out of office in chains. I can stop anytime I want. *Twitches*

Posted by: Daybrother at March 13, 2014 09:16 AM (XrwBo)

25 Dear Hollywood, you WILL blow me sugar-tits!

Posted by: Mel Gibson at March 13, 2014 09:16 AM (ZW1Ga)

26 Mel Gibson ... responsible for one of the longest lasting, most endearing memes in the illustrious history of the AosHQ.

Posted by: mrp at March 13, 2014 09:16 AM (JBggj)

27 Anti Semitism??? Bad unless your are Moslem... Pedophilia? OK if yer one of us!

Posted by: Hollyweird.... at March 13, 2014 09:16 AM (84gbM)

28 I'm going ta peck a fieght!

Posted by: Mel Gibson at March 13, 2014 09:17 AM (OZmbA)

29 You should see the fools I work with rant and rave and mosh around the plant, and they're only high on sugar, caffeine, and nicotine. There's just never enough drama with these clowns.

Posted by: Fritz at March 13, 2014 09:17 AM (UzPAd)

30 OT: going to church and lighting a candle for Jared Allen to come to Da BEARS

Posted by: navycopjoe at March 13, 2014 09:17 AM (At8tV)

31 Intolerance is only directed towards conservative values..., and yet Liberals (all projection, all of the time) regard only conservatives as intolerant.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 13, 2014 09:17 AM (aDwsi)

32 This is another shining example of Progressive bias against Christians. Making anti-Semitic remarks was wrong, and Gibson should have been rightfully chastised. As others have pointed-out, plenty of examples of others (Alec Baldwin) that don't even get so much as a slap on the wrist for their bias. I hate "shoe on the other foot" comparisons but had a Jew in Hollyweird made similar comments about Christians, we wouldn't be having this conversation, errr thread.

Posted by: Pelosi Schmelosi at March 13, 2014 09:18 AM (jHf6U)

33 And I have to add - the fact Hollywood sides with Roman Polanski, a pedophile and a rapist, but can't forgive an ugly anti-Semitic drunken rant, tells you all you need to know about Hollywood morals. Gibson's drunken rant was bad, but no one was actually harmed by it. Polanski, on the other hand . . . .

Posted by: biancaneve at March 13, 2014 09:18 AM (2sR50)

34 Braveheart II ?

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2014 09:18 AM (BZAd3)

35 I am again reminded that all things in life have, at one time or another, been addressed by a Terry Pratchett "Discworld" novel. This is no different.

From Small Gods:

"'I know about sureness,' said Didactylos. Now the light irascible tone had drained out of his voice. 'I remember before I was blind, I went to Omnia once. This was before the borders were closed, when you still let people travel. And in your Citadel I saw a crowd stoning a man to death in a pit. Ever seen that?'

Â‘It has to be done,Â’ Brutha mumbled. Â‘So the soul can be shriven and Â— Â‘

Â‘DonÂ’t know about soul. Never been that kind of a philosopher,Â’ said Didactylos. Â‘All I know is, it was a horrible sight.Â’

Â‘The state of the body is not Â— Â‘

Â‘Oh, IÂ’m not talking about the poor bugger in the pit,Â’ said the philosopher. Â‘IÂ’m talking about the people throwing the stones. They were sure all right. They were sure it wasnÂ’t them in the pit. You could see it in their faces. So glad that it wasnÂ’t them that they were throwing just as hard as they could.Â’"

Everyone who's still treating Mel Gibson like an anti-semitic leper does it because they're glad it's not them. And if they do it long enough, and loud enough, then maybe, just maybe, if they slip up someday they'll be afforded more leniency, because they hurled those stones at Gibson with enough force to break bone. That shows how very, very virtuous they are.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 09:18 AM (4df7R)

36 Burn him! Burn him!

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at March 13, 2014 09:18 AM (Wz9US)

37 Nice post, sugartits!

Posted by: Insomniac at March 13, 2014 09:18 AM (DrWcr)

38 Yeah, he's definitely out. He sure makes some nice guitars, though.

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 13, 2014 09:19 AM (JQuNB)

How blacklisted is he? I just imdb-ed him. Expendables 3, Machete Kills, some other stuff.

PS -- Apocalypto was damn good.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 13, 2014 09:19 AM (A0sHn)

40 "Apocalypto" is, serious you guys, one of the best actioners in history. Like "Predator" but better.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 13, 2014 09:19 AM (9gFMq)

41 Aaaaahhhh.....I'm insane with anger!

Posted by: eleven at March 13, 2014 09:19 AM (fsLdt)

42 Yeah. I may be nuttier than whiskey-soaked squirrel shit now, but back in the day, I was bathed in the smell of hot young pussy.

Oh and, you may BLOW ME!

Posted by: Mel Gibson at March 13, 2014 09:19 AM (ZW1Ga)

43 Mel Gibson woulda been number one on my laminated list twenty years ago.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at March 13, 2014 09:19 AM (N/cFh)

44 I'm a Joooo and not big fan of Gibson, but many many many people in Hollywood have done much worse. And anyway, I thought liberals were against black lists? I mean they don't seem to have a problem with pedophiles?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 09:19 AM (t3UFN)

45 Good thing there's no scalp-hunting and blacklisting in conservative media. Posted by: John Derbyshire --------------------- Sssssssh, John. Ssssh.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 13, 2014 09:19 AM (aDwsi)

46 14 Forgiveness implies a knowledge/belief that the "bad" person -- in this case, Gibson -- won't do it again. A guilty party asks for forgiveness and is truly sorry for the act and will try not to do it again. For example I could forgive Rubio if he asks for forgiveness on the amnesty issue. That doesn't mean I won't be watching the next time the issue comes up.

Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 13, 2014 09:19 AM (HVff2)

47 He hates Jews, so I'll pass on the forgiveness thing, and I'm not even Jewish. But you go for it Ace, since you feel so much empathy for the man.

Posted by: Born Free at March 13, 2014 09:19 AM (xL8Hf)

48 I admired Jodie Foster, and many of his other friends, including some Jews, IIRC, for not jumping on the the condemnation bandwagon. The man was obviously messed up with a lot of substance abuse issues. He said stupid shit, which one tends to do when one is fucked the hell up.

Posted by: Gem at March 13, 2014 09:19 AM (zw+pb)

49
He's just an entertainer.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2014 09:19 AM (BZAd3)

50 I'm sure that Mel is still crying all the way to the bank.

Posted by: toby928© blurts at March 13, 2014 09:20 AM (QupBk)

51 I agree -- not gonna happen.

There's a reason Hollywood is overwhelmingly Jewish -- Jews built that industry, mostly with people who moved directly from the (Jewish-owned) New York theater crowd, who moved west when moving picture technology was invented.

Plus, Gibson is more than just an actor. Icon Productions must have made a fat wad of cash off of Passion of the Christ. That movie did something like $600 mil. And that was 10 years ago.

He could start his own full-blown studio, if he wanted.

Posted by: Phinn at March 13, 2014 09:20 AM (KOGmz)

52 Gibson's shunning also seemed to be a continuation of Mel hate following his public religiosity. Mel is not the most transgressive guy in Hollywood by a long shot (see: Sheen, Charlie). And yet he was treated much more harshly than a known child-rapist.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 13, 2014 09:20 AM (aq/zi)

53 Mel Gibson woulda been number one on my laminated list twenty years ago. Posted by: Gingy -------------------- Code for : In a jar on the mantle?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 13, 2014 09:21 AM (aDwsi)

Can we blacklist every movie studio that did business with nazi germany? Newsflash, there were a lot, and many run by the joooss.

Disgraceful shit.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 09:21 AM (tVTLU)

55 He's just an entertainer. Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2014 01:19 PM (BZAd3) yeah that also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 09:21 AM (t3UFN)

56 OK, but no more Lethal Weapon sequels.

Posted by: Beagle at March 13, 2014 09:21 AM (sOtz/)

57 Why does Mel need Hollywood? He has proven he is capable of producing good films without them. Hollywood however needs Mel.

Posted by: Jean at March 13, 2014 09:21 AM (Aqvh6)

58 I want to know how many people in Hollywood want Mel Gibson to be blacklisted because of anti-semitism, and then turn around and demand the boycott of Israel in the next breath.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 09:21 AM (4df7R)

59 The Rule against anti-semitic remarks (or homophobic remarks, or misogynistic remarks, or racist remarks) is a good one. I support that rule. I try to abide by that rule myself (and I inflict it on others in the comments). But what should the penalty for deviation from the rule be? The problem is that these rules are only Enforced on White Guys... or White Women if its a Racist remark. There have been many Anti Semitic remarks by Blacks... but... crickets... Many remarks by Women attacking other women... Hell... blacks can use the N word... but if a White person uses it???? 'Stone the Witch!!!" Mel being black listed is NOT because of what he did.... he is blacklisted because he is not currently one of the Hollywood Cool kids... its 'IN' to not like him... because the cool kids don't like him. This is 'high school cool crowd' shit.... and has nothing to do with the 'rules'.

Posted by: Hollyweird.... at March 13, 2014 09:21 AM (84gbM)

I want thank President Obama for giving us an extension of mandate passed by Bush that everyone must have Health Insurance approved by him. I also will drop my cable TV to help him solve this mess created by Bush.

Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at March 13, 2014 09:21 AM (M9tyk)

61 This what bugs me about lefties in general and Hollywood specifically... Gibson (in what appeared to be alcohol-fueled diatribes) goes into areas that we all wished that he had not. They guy made some great flicks. HE'S A MONSTER. Roman Polanski RAPES A BARELY POST-PUBERTY GIRL and oh, the injustice of his continued treatment. Woody Allen is just generally creepy in every way and he is lionized at every turn. Someone will find a way to rehabilitate Baldwin and we'll see his "big comeback" in a few months. What we need is a little consistency.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 13, 2014 09:21 AM (659DL)

62 31 Intolerance is only directed towards conservative values..., and yet Liberals (all projection, all of the time) regard only conservatives as intolerant. Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 13, 2014 01:17 PM (aDwsi The most succinct observation.

Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 13, 2014 09:21 AM (HVff2)

63 Can we blacklist every movie studio that did business with nazi germany? Newsflash, there were a lot, and many run by the joooss. Disgraceful shit. Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 01:21 PM (tVTLU) ??? And what movie studious did business with Hitler?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 09:21 AM (t3UFN)

64 Somewhere between 100 and 400 years ago, some old dead white dudes wrote a thing about the punishment fitting the crime.

Posted by: Andy at March 13, 2014 09:21 AM (NvZnr)

65 If Anthony Wiener can run for mayor of NYC then Mel Gibson should be able to go back to making movies.

Posted by: Nighthawk at March 13, 2014 09:22 AM (OtQXp)

66 Oh look. Derp is back.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 09:22 AM (4df7R)

67 Truth be told- I've met him on a personal level. He is a witty, charming, affable guy- but also a mans man. Quite obviously, he also developed an alcohol problem which destroyed everything he really loved- family, friends the whole works.

That being said the man said some pretty nasty things for which he's apologized. I also believe in turn, he deserves to be forgiven and get his life back.

How many sleazy types in Hollywood do worse tings for which they are never caught (which people no) and simply continue to exist in the business forever. Terrible things that take grotesque advantage of children or turn them into sex toys or drug addicts. Those are the people who deserve to get lit on fire and run down the street in pain. But the still exist and nobody says anything. They are also largely the people that keep Gibson from coming back. The hypocrisy is just too much to take.

Posted by: Malaysian Air Force at March 13, 2014 09:22 AM (GGCsk)

68 I'll summon the others.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 13, 2014 09:22 AM (0HooB)

69 >>56 OK, but no more Lethal Weapon sequels. Posted by: Beagle a

<<

Yeah, I'm too old for that shit.

Posted by: Danny Glover at March 13, 2014 09:22 AM (OZmbA)

Say what you want about Mel Gibson, but the son of a bitch understand story structure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=313fMWDDsGo

Posted by: buzzion at March 13, 2014 09:22 AM (LI48c)

71 If Anthony Wiener can run for mayor of NYC then Mel Gibson should be able to go back to making movies. Posted by: Nighthawk at March 13, 2014 01:22 PM (OtQXp) yeah but how'd that work out for wiener?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 09:23 AM (t3UFN)

72 44 I'm a Joooo and not big fan of Gibson, but many many many people in Hollywood have done much worse. And anyway, I thought liberals were against black lists? I mean they don't seem to have a problem with pedophiles?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 01:19 PM (t3UFN)

A lot of people hate Jews. Ya kinda get used to that. The ones that want you dead - the ones that make you sleep with both eyes open - those are the ones that give me the hibbies.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2014 09:23 AM (BZAd3)

73 It's not what he said. That's forgivable to them. It's that he's a Christian. That's not.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at March 13, 2014 09:23 AM (vgIRn)

74 Not to excuse racism, but it's been elevated to such a High Crime that the offense eclipses nearly all others. Drug and rape an underage girl? Easily forgivable. Beat your wife? Private matter. Get drunk and kill someone? Well, they don't condone it, but certainly don't count it was a career-killer. Drunkenly making a racist comment? Banish the blasphemer for the rest of his days.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 13, 2014 09:23 AM (SY2Kh)

75 Hey, the man tried to give Lindsay Lohan a leg up, so his sense of chivalry isn't completely dead. Just misplaced.

Posted by: Fritz at March 13, 2014 09:23 AM (UzPAd)

76 a board certified imbecile We can't even get board certification that he ever set foot in Columbia U. or ever attended a class there or at Hah-vahd.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 09:23 AM (7ObY1)

77 Actually I'd rather boycott Glover

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 09:23 AM (t3UFN)

78 yeah but how'd that work out for wiener?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 01:23 PM (t3UFN)

===

Didn't Wiener win an Oscar?

Posted by: mrp at March 13, 2014 09:23 AM (JBggj)

This should be a great opportunity for Beck. He's wanting to make cultural films. Gibson has a particular talent for making movies like that.

Posted by: Soona at March 13, 2014 09:24 AM (Wz9US)

80 71 If Anthony Wiener can run for mayor of NYC then Mel Gibson should be able to go back to making movies.
Posted by: Nighthawk at March 13, 2014 01:22 PM (OtQXp)

yeah but how'd that work out for wiener? Posted by: Nevergiveup

<<

Up and at 'em. Never down for long!

Posted by: Wiener's Wiener at March 13, 2014 09:24 AM (OZmbA)

81 53 Mel Gibson woulda been number one on my laminated list twenty years ago. Posted by: Gingy -------------------- Code for : In a jar on the mantle? Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 13, 2014 01:21 PM (aDwsi) --- My darling... If I meant in a jar on my mantle, I'd say it. I meant naked in my bed. I wonder if he would bring me some piÃ±a colada monkey sex gel, since none of you buggers have seen fit.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at March 13, 2014 09:24 AM (N/cFh)

82 77 Actually I'd rather boycott Glover

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 01:23 PM (t3UFN)

From your lips...

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 13, 2014 09:24 AM (BZAd3)

Nevergiveup:

There was a fantastic article about this, just came out, based on a book done by a Jewish reporter I think.

Oh yeah, Germany was a HUGE market for the movie studios, and nazi minders came in and actually censored big Hollywood movies before they were released, so that they would also be acceptable for Germany.

I think every studio allowed this all the way up to 1938-39... Some right up to Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 09:24 AM (tVTLU)

84 43 Mel Gibson woulda been number one on my laminated list twenty years ago.

Had I met you, your panties woulda been laminated to my mattress.

I caused more snail-tracks in more panties than Elvis and the Beatles combined.

Yer welcome Sugar-Tits!

Posted by: Mel Gibson at March 13, 2014 09:24 AM (ZW1Ga)

85 62 31 Intolerance is only directed towards conservative values..., and yet Liberals (all projection, all of the time) regard only conservatives as intolerant. Herbert Marcuse, straight up. It's what "celebrate diversity" really means.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 13, 2014 09:25 AM (JQuNB)

86 There actually isn't much evidence that he hates Jews personally. Especially not when you look at the thousands of Jews he worked alongside with for decades. It's possible he has a theological issue with Judaism. That is a separate issue. I've personally know people who were openly anti-Christianity, but who treated all the Christians in their work and private lives with kindness and respect. If they got blotto drunk while clinically depressed and going through a bad divorce and custody battle might they have said some really mean shit about Christians? maybe. It's a myth that drunkenness reveals your true self. No, it just reveals what you are like when you are drunk.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 09:25 AM (ZPrif)

87 Bob Beckel hates us Eye-talians but I don't hate him for that. His politics, yes. Pretty sure Keef Olberdouche is a Guinea-hater too. The way he always spit out "RudolfO Giuliani." Like using his given, Italianite name was supposed to make Rudy sound like a Mafioso.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 09:25 AM (7ObY1)

88 Hollowpoint: On that we can agree! Ridiculous all around. Thoughtcrime.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 09:25 AM (tVTLU)

89 Actually I tend to cut him a little slack on the anti-semitic rant only because his father is batshit crazy that way. I figure it is like the son of a criminal having criminal tendencies. First ones free then you better straighten up. The sugartits thing was funny stupid.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 13, 2014 09:26 AM (f9cqO)

90 There are many worse people in Hollywood and in the entertainment industry in general than Mel Gibson. Some of them get away with it because they've got great tits. Some of them don't keep birds.

Posted by: JEM at March 13, 2014 09:26 AM (o+SC1)

91 I've read a bit about the pro-US activities of WW2 Hollywood, usually in conjunction with Reagan biographies, and I've certainly heard of individuals who had known Nazi sympathies, but a studio working with Hitler doesn't ring any bells.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 09:26 AM (ZshNr)

92 Nevergiveup, read Ben Urwand, "The Collaboration"

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 13, 2014 09:26 AM (9gFMq)

93 20 ---I think Gibson's bigger crime was to show that he's not "one of us" by being religious and for letting his religious faith motivate him to make a movie about Jesus Christ. If he was "one of us", i.e., an amoral true believer in global warming, Marxism, and every other leftist position, Hollywood would have forgiven him long ago. Posted by: biancaneve at March 13, 2014 01:15 PM (2sR50) ------------------- THIS. Al Sharpton, whose anti-semitism has resulted in concrete damage, is okay now. Obama can invite him to the White House without any fear of criticism. Since I live so close to W VA and accept that everything should be named after him, I'll call this the Robert Byrd Law: If you are a leftist, you will be forgiven anything.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 13, 2014 09:26 AM (dfYL9)

94 67 Posted by: Malaysian Air Force at March 13, 2014 01:22 PM (GGCsk) Why don't you quit commenting on blogs and get busy looking for the damn plane?

Posted by: rickl at March 13, 2014 09:26 AM (zoehZ)

Since everyone ignored me I'm going to pout and repeat myself. And I'm typing louder now!

He has franchise movies out or in production now. How blacklisted can he be?

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 13, 2014 09:26 AM (A0sHn)

96 75 Hey, the man tried to give Lindsay Lohan a leg up Most men give LiLo two legs up.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 09:26 AM (7ObY1)

97 Vicarious virtue is its own reward. It keeps one from having to do any real introspection.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Four Outrages, get a Rightous Indignation Free! at March 13, 2014 09:26 AM (hLRSq)

98 They are boycotting him because they always wanted to. He makes religious movies. He makes patriotic movies. He does not apologize for western culture. they have forgiven rapists (Tyson and Polanski), child sex molesters (Polanski and Allen, not to mention those working with child stars), muggers (Wahlberg robbed and blinded food delivery guy), junkies (too many to count), drug dealers (name a rapper), pimps (Ice T) I think Gibson is anti-Semitic. I'm pretty sure he beat the crap out of his girlfriend. I know he is an alcoholic. But their standards are pretty low there is another reason for his purgatory

Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 09:26 AM (zOTsN)

99 And comment 22 does not disappoint...except that it took 22 comments for one of youse morons to make it.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 13, 2014 09:27 AM (yh0zB)

100 the dude is worth at least 100million why does he care? fuck him

Posted by: navycopjoe at March 13, 2014 09:27 AM (At8tV)

101 #32 is correct, I think. It's not so much that he made anti Semetic remarks which were very bad, but no doubt there are any number of people in Hollywood who are part of the "Boycott Israel " movement and think that Zionists are responsible for all wars (And yes, it's quite possible to be a JINO and bigoted towards Israel) Gibson definitely has anger and has or had alcohol issues. The biggest crime in the eyes of Hollywood is that he did "The Passion of Christ" and made a lot of money from it. How dare he take the Christian faith seriously. He should have kept that stuff in the closet!! /sarc.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 13, 2014 09:27 AM (XyM/Y)

102

It speaks ill of the entertainment industry that such a talented moviemaker (who also has a talent for making profitable films) can effectively be shut out of the market.

Apparently, such is the power of their Black Book.

Posted by: dan-O at March 13, 2014 09:27 AM (D0bIN)

103 Free Ted Nugent!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 13, 2014 09:27 AM (ImNRL)

104 Patsy Kensit was eminently hittable.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 13, 2014 09:27 AM (0HooB)

105 WHOA nevergiveup you could be right. Urwand's book seems to be bullshit. Article in Jewish Journal is calling for Harvard to retract it

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 13, 2014 09:28 AM (9gFMq)

106 Mel Gibson woulda been number one on my laminated list twenty years ago.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at March 13, 2014 01:19 PM (N/cFh)

Mel Gibson was definitely one of my first heartthrob crushes. Those EYES. Guh!

"Passion of the Christ" was a powerful but brutal film. I've always thought that the flogging scenes that caused such an outcry because of their brutality were, in many ways, Gibson's form of self-flagellation. He was trying to exorcise demons that were threatening to break free. This man -- this deeply religious Catholic who had his own church built on his property -- divorced his wife of how many years? With whom he had how many children? And went spiraling down the drain shortly thereafter. Those are not the actions of a well man. They're the actions of man for whom God was no longer enough to calm his mind and who dearly needed help. I sincerely hope he's sought it out.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 09:28 AM (4df7R)

107 I admired Jodie Foster, and many of his other friends, including some Jews, IIRC, for not jumping on the the condemnation bandwagon. The man was obviously messed up with a lot of substance abuse issues. He said stupid shit, which one tends to do when one is fucked the hell up. Posted by: Gem at March 13, 2014 01:19 PM (zw+pb) This. Mind you, I am in the camp that believes that it is what you say when you are very angry, not to mention very angry and drunk, that is what you really think. Do I think Mel Gibson is an anti-semite? Yes, in the soft form version of that. Do I think he's going to be going around killing the Joooos? No. Of course not. Do I think he is a wee bit more familiar with SILVER DIMES SILVER DIMES than one would like? Yes. Yes, I do. I'm not going to give him a pass for being hammered and letting the ugliness with which it appears he was raised come flowing out. But it's not like he caused actual physical harm to another by it. Look, if people don't want to work with him, hey, that's their right. But it's just as much the right of others to work with him. I still think his true crime was making all that money off The Passion of the Christ. That is what is unforgivable. He made a religious movie and gasp it was respectful and made money! We can't be having that.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 09:28 AM (VtjlW)

108 Yes; Biancaneve is correct too.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 13, 2014 09:28 AM (XyM/Y)

109 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 13, 2014 09:28 AM (PYAXX)

110 What's wrong with a little righteous anger from time to time? What's wrong with an occasional rant? There are things going on right now that should make you angry.

It's not like he has deployed improvised explosive devices and kill and maimed people. It's not like he has made death threats like the left does.

Getting angry is not the problem. Being loud and obnoxious is not the problem. It's when you do things that actually hurt people, that's the problem. Obama and the democrats are actually doing things that hurt people, and hurt this country and anyone not angry about that is part of the problem.

Posted by: Honest Jack Jackson at March 13, 2014 09:28 AM (CZyD+)

111 Oh yeah, Germany was a HUGE market for the movie studios, and nazi minders came in and actually censored big Hollywood movies before they were released, so that they would also be acceptable for Germany. Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 01:24 PM (tVTLU) Same thing the Chinese are doing to both the Movie, and online gaming industry, but now they are using Economic power to get Hollyweird to self Censor...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 09:28 AM (84gbM)

112 30 OT: going to church and lighting a candle for Jared Allen to come to Da BEARS Posted by: navycopjoe at March 13, 2014 01:17 PM (At8tV) Still smoking Maui Wowie eh Joe?

Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 13, 2014 09:28 AM (HVff2)

113 Completely OT (I'll jump into the Mel Gibson comments in a minute). XKCD today makes me think of the HQ. http://xkcd.com/1341/

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 13, 2014 09:29 AM (PYAXX)

114 It's purely the antisemitic stuff. That's different than someone acting violently or sexually when drunk. We all have violent and sexual thoughts. That kind of antisemitism isn't IN most of us.

It wasn't that he was so drunk it came out. It's that we all know it's still there. It's there right now. Even if he never drinks or takes drugs ever again and thus, can keep his thoughts to himself, we all suspect it's still there.

He hates his ex girlfriend. Who doesn't? He likes tits. Who doesn't? He likes to get loaded? So does everyone! He hates Jews? Being an anti-jew bigot is just weird.

And, let's be fair, when you are talking about working in Hollywood, you are working with Jews. After all Jews control everything. They run the studios. They run the agencies. They start all the wars...

Posted by: seattle slough at March 13, 2014 09:29 AM (mCz8+)

115 My darling... If I meant in a jar on my mantle, I'd say it. I meant naked in my bed. ------------------- Yes..., but that's what leads to the stolen soul in a jar. Batting your eyelashes will not dissuade me. Maybe..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 13, 2014 09:29 AM (aDwsi)

116 @104 - oh, man, you ain't kidding.

Posted by: JEM at March 13, 2014 09:29 AM (o+SC1)

117

Patsy Kensit was eminently hittable.

Truest words ever carved from raw pixels.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 13, 2014 09:29 AM (A0sHn)

118 If we're handing out racism forgiveness cards ... I'd really love to work again. I'm funny. I swear. I got drunk and said the n-word ... a few times ... one night. I'm sorry. Come on. You know I'm funny. You've been quoting my goddamn Ukraine bit for two weeks now. Two weeks!

Posted by: Michael Richards at March 13, 2014 09:29 AM (ZPrif)

119

It's a myth that drunkenness reveals your true self. No, it just reveals what you are like when you are drunk.It's a myth that drunkenness reveals your true self. No, it just reveals what you are like when you are drunk.

Agree.

Saying it reveals your true self is just a way of further punishing the transgressor.

Posted by: eleven at March 13, 2014 09:30 AM (fsLdt)

120 I agree with Pelosi Schmelosi.

Gibson's crime was not anti-semitism or bigotry (although he may be guilty of those things). His crime was being unapologetically Christian.

He is attacked for the anti-semitism because that is a good PC cudgel to beat him with - for his sin of Christianity.

Come on - the Left, attacking anti-semitism? Puleease, the Left hates Jews like they hate white Christians, but they carefully keep that fact under the radar, because the don't want to lose the Jewish vote.

Posted by: West at March 13, 2014 09:30 AM (1Rgee)

121 Looks like I'm due for a stint in the barrel.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 13, 2014 09:30 AM (9gFMq)

122 Hey, I'm Catholic. I'm all about forgiveness... "Perhaps that person who seems so reprehensible has already abhorred his faults and wept over them interiorly far more than I have over mine; God has already forgiven him...should I be more severe than God? On this point it will be well to remember that God will treat me with the same severity that I show to others." (Excerpt from Divine Intimacy by Fr. Gabriel of St. Mary Magdalen OCD)

Posted by: Havildar - Major at March 13, 2014 09:30 AM (kduZC)

123 Racism is today's unforgivable sin.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 13, 2014 09:30 AM (OZmbA)

124 @107 - that's I'm sure part of it, everyone else who's gone into that space has stepped on thier metaphorical penis.

Posted by: JEM at March 13, 2014 09:30 AM (o+SC1)

125 In other entertainment news, it's a big day for me, Petey Pablo gets out of jail today.

Posted by: traye at March 13, 2014 09:31 AM (OJlrN)

126 115 Yes..., but that's what leads to the stolen soul in a jar. Batting your eyelashes will not dissuade me. Maybe.. Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 13, 2014 01:29 PM (aDwsi) --- If I wanted it, I'd have it by now. Apropos of absolutely nothing, will you be at NoVaMoMe? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at March 13, 2014 09:31 AM (N/cFh)

127 I wonder if he would bring me some piÃ±a colada monkey sex gel, since none of you buggers have seen fit.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at March 13, 2014 01:24 PM (N/cFh)

There is such a thing? I'd Bing it, but quite frankly...I'm blissful in my ignorance.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 13, 2014 09:31 AM (yh0zB)

128 I should modify my statement:

For a white complected person to be racist, today is an unforgivable sin.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 13, 2014 09:32 AM (OZmbA)

129 114 It's purely the antisemitic stuff. That's different than someone acting violently or sexually when drunk. We all have violent and sexual thoughts. That kind of antisemitism isn't IN most of us. It's worse to say things than be violent or rapey. Gotcha. Go watch a Roman Polanski film and tell yourself how evolved you are.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 13, 2014 09:32 AM (wLibB)

130 Hollywood does love a comeback. Even Michael Richards has a show again, and that actor that got fired from Grey's Anatomy for using a gay slur is returning to the show, of all things. Never though that'd happen.

But if the approval of Jodie Foster, patron goddess of LGTBs, and RDJ, Box Office king, cannot get the scolds off someone's back, then it might be hopeless, despite the amount of money Gibson's films have made.

Posted by: LizLem at March 13, 2014 09:32 AM (BF+2f)

131 21 "Gibson's crime was to say nasty things about Jews ("they start all the wars") and rant insanely at his ex-girlfriend." You forgot the cop he called sugartits. Posted by: buzzion at March 13, 2014 01:15 PM (LI48c) ****** Actually, that was a bum rap. The arresting officers name was "Officer Adam G. Sugartits."

Posted by: Taco Shack at March 13, 2014 09:32 AM (C+qQ0)

132 It's purely the antisemitic stuff. That's different than someone acting violently or sexually when drunk -------- Good to know. According to you making a racist statement while loaded is worse than child molestation.

Posted by: Adam at March 13, 2014 09:32 AM (Aif/5)

133 I like it when stars get all drunk and out of control and their mugshots look like crazy hobos.

Posted by: kathysaysso at March 13, 2014 09:33 AM (6H6o8)

134 As I've gotten older I've become much more concerned about behavior (especially day-to-day kind of behavior) than I am about speech or thoughts. Other than his drunken outbursts I don't think anyone has ever accused Gibson of anti-Semitic behavior. Which at a minimum puts him above quite a few Hollywood actor-types.

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 13, 2014 09:33 AM (XkotV)

135 >>bring me some piÃ±a colada monkey sex gel<<

I'm to old for this shit.

Posted by: Danny Glover at March 13, 2014 09:33 AM (OZmbA)

136 Truth be told- I've met him on a personal level. He is a witty, charming, affable guy- but also a mans man. Quite obviously, he also developed an alcohol problem which destroyed everything he really loved- family, friends the whole works. That being said the man said some pretty nasty things for which he's apologized. I also believe in turn, he deserves to be forgiven and get his life back. Posted by: Malaysian Air Force Well, there it is.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 13, 2014 09:33 AM (rVzyX)

137 The reality is that Gibson is being punished more for being conservative than for his anti-Semitic and other outbursts.

Plenty of other celebrities have been caught with racist outbursts and have not been punished - the prime example being Alec Baldwin - because they share the "correct' political affiliation.

I'm not saying Gibson should not have been punished at all for his conduct, but am saying that in reality what he is being punished for is not the outbursts.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at March 13, 2014 09:33 AM (sOx93)

138 WHOA nevergiveup you could be right. Urwand's book seems to be bullshit. Article in Jewish Journal is calling for Harvard to retract it Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 13, 2014 01:28 PM (9gFMq) I have no doubt hollywood did business all over the world and if Germany showed hollywood made movies so be it, but I have never read anywhere the studios were in bed with Hitler. A director or 2, maybe, but there are all kinds

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 09:34 AM (t3UFN)

139 It's not just some people in Hollywood, it's the INVESTORS that are controlling the length of his punishment.

He's being black balled because he became a financial liability.

The odds of anything he worked on in whatever capacity would be shadowed and diminished because of HIS action.

That's why I believe it has continued. Someone(s) somewhere thinks he would be a detriment to any project he was involved with.

Which is amusing since one of the libels that anti Semites fling about is that there is a secret cabal of Jews that control the banks, industry, Hollywood etc. etc.

And in this case might actually be true.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Microaggressive SoCon) at March 13, 2014 09:34 AM (LSDdO)

140 @128 - depends on what you define as 'racist'. Listened to a fair screed about the English over a plate of corned beef and cabbage the other night. It wasn't about complexion.

Posted by: JEM at March 13, 2014 09:34 AM (o+SC1)

141 I ain't asking forgiveness for shit. Respect we much, motherfuckers!

Posted by: Al Sharpton at March 13, 2014 09:34 AM (ZPrif)

142 Mel should put the anti-Semite thing to rest by doing a blockbuster of film with Israeli paratroopers killing muslims and lots of hot IDF babes with guns.

Posted by: Jean at March 13, 2014 09:34 AM (Aqvh6)

143 His ex gf who has a m.o. of getting pregnant by rich sugar daddies, just screwed the pooch by shooting her mouth off about the settlement. She has now lost significant income.

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 13, 2014 09:34 AM (r7mtu)

144 He made The Passion of the Christ, and to do so, he broke with Hollywood. He had to produce it himself, and he made a ton of money doing it, which showed them up for breaking with them. Then the issues came up. I guess that Gibson probably had some outrageous behavior prior to The Passion. And it was ignored and glossed over. But having shown the powers that be that they were wrong, he could not be allowed to succeed. So I would say it is for this "crime" that he is blacklisted, not the antisemitism, that is merely the ostensible reason. A Hollywood that fetes Baldwin and Allen and any other number of boors and perverts could certainly excuse a couple of drunken rants. But showing them up? It can never be lived down. That will neve, ever be forgiven.

Posted by: blaster at March 13, 2014 09:35 AM (4+AaH)

145

yeah but how'd that work out for wiener?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 01:23 PM (t3UFN)

Ah, yes. But see, that's the market at work. He COULD run. The people said no. Likewise, Mel Gibson shouldn't be blackballed. If his movies start to flop, that's the market.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 13, 2014 09:35 AM (fwARV)

146 It wasn't that he was so drunk it came out. It's that we all know it's still there. It's there right now. Even if he never drinks or takes drugs ever again and thus, can keep his thoughts to himself, we all suspect it's still there. And so what? You can't hold me responsible for what I think. For one thing, you don't know. Gibson says the rant was largely based on anger he felt at the Jewish community for their (even then continuing) personal attacks against him over making The Passion of the Christ. Who are you to say otherwise? If I'm angry enough against a group of people, I'm going to say mean things about them. That doesn't mean I hate them for who they are. If you read the actual article, you'll find out he a) never had a problem with any of the Jewish people with whom he worked in Hollywood (something you'd think would have happened at least ONCE if he were some closeted anti-Semite), and since the outburst he has a) personally apologized to the cop at whom he ranted, and made a great number of anonymous donations to Jewish charities and causes. Now, if he were an anti-Semite who was trying to hide it, you might get the first. You might even get his more public and general apology to Jews in general. You would not get anonymous donations to Jewish charities and causes. Is there some seed of "I don't like the Jews 'cause my daddy didn't?" Maybe. Neither you nor I know. But if you judge him on his actions- the only things we can know- then he deserves no more punishment than he's already received (and probably a lot less).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 13, 2014 09:35 AM (PYAXX)

147 Apropos of absolutely nothing, will you be at NoVaMoMe? Asking for a friend. Posted by: Gingy ----------------- As much as I would like to be, it would be a 900 mile round trip for me. A bit much.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 13, 2014 09:36 AM (aDwsi)

148 Will try again: Thomas Doherty, "Hollywood and Hitler, 1933-1939" is a more sober and honest look into how the US film industry handled the German market at the time

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 13, 2014 09:36 AM (9gFMq)

149 It bothers me to no end what society does to those that cross lines that at the end of the day are more about pushing a political agenda.

Had Mel Gibson say stabbed someone, he would have received less hate by the powers that be than him making an anti-semitic remark.

Racism is bad, but the new rules are basically if you say something Un-PC, its the media's job to see if you can drive that person to suicide.

We've all made off the cuff remarks that would offend a certain group, is becoming a pariah for the rest of your life really appropriate?

Posted by: McAdams at March 13, 2014 09:36 AM (K1mZp)

150 Is Mel related to Charles Gibson? Charles would forgive him if he had ever heard of him.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 13, 2014 09:36 AM (R8hU8)

151 Actually I'd rather boycott Glover

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 01:23 PM (t3UFN)

Agreed.

I completely agree with "Circa (Insert Year Here)'s" post at #61. Polanski, Allen, A. Baldwin, C. Sheen, and the other UNREPENTANT creeps bother me far more than Gibson. One of the saddest things about the whole mess for Gibson was the fact that he was warned about the woman who sent him off the rails by men who had disastrous relationships with her. If everyone says a chick is a toxic trainwreck, maybe, you should listen.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 13, 2014 09:36 AM (kXoT0)

152 Wait, does this mean the HQ is now a "Ban" free comment zone? Tolerance and all that?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 13, 2014 09:36 AM (0FSuD)

153 Gingy, I've got his soul in a jar on my shelf, alas I thought it might attract him to my bed but nope. Think I should give it back or let you have custody for a while it's really nice... deep down...Way deep down.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at March 13, 2014 09:37 AM (GKF3X)

154

Sorry Frumious Bandersnatch.

Your comment is getting blackballed.

Posted by: eleven at March 13, 2014 09:37 AM (fsLdt)

155 This. Mind you, I am in the camp that believes that it is what you say when you are very angry, not to mention very angry and drunk, that is what you really think. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 01:28 PM (VtjlW) I believe just the opposite... In Vino Veritas... We are trained to have split personalities... we have multiple personas we put on depending on who we are with... People are different at work, than with Family... different with their Mom, than with Kids... And most are different while on Blog, than they would be talking to you face to face (exhibit 1, there have been things said to me on this blog, that I know they would never have the cojones to say to my face). We are what I call Socially Amorphic Schizophrenic. We put on different personalities based on the situation. But when truly angry... or drunk? The barriers come down and we see the core personality... without the editing and overlays we normally have... And very very often.... it is very ugly.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 09:37 AM (84gbM)

156 @148 - If he'd stepped out of a Mercedes SLR wearing no panties and coked up to Jupiter, he'd have gotten a pass. Maybe some appreciative comment on Gawker.

Posted by: JEM at March 13, 2014 09:37 AM (o+SC1)

157 PC Tolerance? Ha Ha, you make me laugh so hard I turn over in my grave.

Posted by: Zombie Jimmy "The Greek" at March 13, 2014 09:37 AM (0FSuD)

158 Good afternoon Horde. We pissing anyone off today?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 09:37 AM (da5Wo)

159 From what I know of Gibson's father, the man was an anti-semitic crazypants. When you grow up hearing your father spout anti-semitic crap, it's not unusual that you, yourself, would spew that crap, whether you believe it or not. Which doesn't mean it's okay, because fuck no. But it at least gives a little context.

The fact that Gibson was able to work in Hollywood for so many years, in an industry in which Jews make up a sizeable portion of the high-powered management positions, without any evidence of strife leads me to believe that his breakdown wasn't so much revealing of his true beliefs as it was a sad testament to how angry he was at everyone for everything he couldn't fix in himself.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 09:38 AM (4df7R)

160 I got me a monkey When I got rid of my ex Now afternoon's the time For hot monkey sex If you've been with a gibbon Then you've been with the best Afternoon's the time For hot monkey sex Skyrockets, you bet! Afternoon monkey sex A-a-a-a-afternoon monkey sex

Posted by: Starlight Monkeysex Band at March 13, 2014 09:38 AM (0cMkb)

161 I thought I heard something about the studios working with the Nazis too.

Posted by: eleven at March 13, 2014 09:38 AM (fsLdt)

162 As far as I am concerned I don't mind if Gibson makes a ton of films. His future and where his next meal comes from is way down on my list, way below how soft my toilet paper is and the temp of my shitter seat

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 09:38 AM (t3UFN)

163 I think Gibson's bigger crime was to show that he's not "one of us" by being religious and for letting his religious faith motivate him to make a movie about Jesus Christ. Plus Gibson's Jesus movie, the one the studios wouldn't touch, made a billion dollars and it made Gibson one of the richest men in showbiz, and he did it without Hollywood backing him. That's why this shunning will continue.

Posted by: Hamilton at March 13, 2014 09:38 AM (oMYHY)

164 Mel should put the anti-Semite thing to rest by doing a blockbuster of film with Israeli paratroopers killing muslims and lots of hot IDF babes with guns.
====

That, or direct a remake of "The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz". Because that would be something.

Posted by: mrp at March 13, 2014 09:38 AM (JBggj)

165 Jean: if Arabs, Yemenis and Syrians are getting offed then it'll still have high semitic bodycount. Technically

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 13, 2014 09:38 AM (9gFMq)

166 Oh...Gibson. Not gibbon. Sorry everyone......sorry.

Posted by: Starlight Monkeysex Band at March 13, 2014 09:39 AM (0cMkb)

167 Doing a bump of coke at a party once a year might feel good but do it four times a day for a year and you've got a serious problem. At least that's ... uh ... what I heard form a friend.

Posted by: imp at March 13, 2014 09:39 AM (L9AnB)

168 In it's 700 year history, Hollywood has never boycotted anyone.
To say that is racist.

Posted by: Sheila Jackson Lee (Pre M&M Historian) at March 13, 2014 09:39 AM (pgQxn)

169 In the Thirties, I can definitely see Hollywood doing business with Germans/Germany/Nazis, I'll seek out a book or credible essay on the topic. Kindle maybe?

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 09:39 AM (ZshNr)

170 Making a drunken racist statement is WAY worse than doing propaganda shots for a government that's gunning down its own people in the streets.

Posted by: Danny Glover at March 13, 2014 09:39 AM (Aif/5)

171 Hollywood has a whole hell of a lot of tolerance for those that sodomize boys and girls as well as anyone that hates whitey or , as Michael Medved demonstrated years ago in a review, slams any member of a Jewish or Christian organizations. And Mel doesn't seem to hate actual real Jews, just a sort of nonsensical Tripartite Commission New World Order construct of "The Jew". And I like his stuff. And he is a right wing nutjob. But while I think the term hate overstates it for Mel, he is in his bones anti-Semetic and that is something that typically doesn't expire at a set date. Sooo... I think the burden of proof is sorta on Mel to demonstrate that he does not hate the Jew before I would sign on board. Time alone won't cut it.

Posted by: Mac at March 13, 2014 09:39 AM (0J18b)

172 The other thing that bothers me about the whole Gibson mess is why does he have to be destroyed and OTOH, the people who are openly Anti-Semitic, Anti-Zion, and Anti-Israel on college campuses, etc. are elevated and lionized.

I would just like to know where the mythical dotted line exists between Bad Haters of the Jews and Enlightened Haters of the Jews.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 13, 2014 09:39 AM (kXoT0)

173

This really is not that hard. Glenn Beck/The Blaze could be the moving force and find one of these rich Koch's or whomever to fund the project.

Cost = $100MM.

Mel Gibson produces religious based/Bible story movies. 70% of budget goes to this side.

Then you find some bad ass libertarian writer, aka Frank Miller, and do some dark and violent comic book movies, 30% of budget goes to this side. (a la Lionsgate)

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 09:39 AM (tVTLU)

174 It's not just some people in Hollywood, it's the INVESTORS that are controlling the length of his punishment.

He's being black balled because he became a financial liability.

The odds of anything he worked on in whatever capacity would be shadowed and diminished because of HIS action.

That's why I believe it has continued. Someone(s) somewhere thinks he would be a detriment to any project he was involved with.

Which is amusing since one of the libels that anti Semites fling about is that there is a secret cabal of Jews that control the banks, industry, Hollywood etc. etc.

And in this case might actually be true.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Microaggressive SoCon) at March 13, 2014 01:34 PM (LSDdO)

I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment, but don't believe in reality that Gibson's outbursts would have had much, if any, impact on people seeing his films. How much of the movie-going public care about such things? Very few.

But, Gibson was on the downward slope of his career, so it is likely that when added to the fact that he likely wouldn't be considered for most parts (he's no longer a likely lead in a rom-com or a blockbuster action movie), that leaves little room for him to maneuver.

I wonder if all this had happened 10 years earlier in his career, he probably would've been forgiven much sooner and everyone would have forgotten about it by now, because his movies were making bank.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at March 13, 2014 09:40 AM (sOx93)

175 Anti Jewish Entertainers who are not Black listed Roger Waters - ~using overtly anti-Semitic tropes to promote anti-Zionism isnÂ’t anti-Semitic!!1!!~ Oliver Stone - accused Â“Jewish domiance of the mediaÂ” for focus on the Holocaust Charlie Sheen - hostile Jews-controlling-Hollywood remarks directed at Chuck Lorre Gibson is the only one who is blacklisted it isn't about the Jews, or Sheen would never work again, or Baldwin, or Stone or Waters

Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 09:40 AM (zOTsN)

176 Mel should put the anti-Semite thing to rest by doing a blockbuster of film with Israeli paratroopers killing muslims and lots of hot IDF babes with guns. ==== That, or direct a remake of "The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz". Because that would be something. He wanted to do a movie about Judah Maccabe. The studio picked someone who hated Gibson to "write" the movie though... so it went less than nowhere.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 13, 2014 09:40 AM (PYAXX)

177 Mel should put the anti-Semite thing to rest by doing a blockbuster of film with Israeli paratroopers killing muslims and lots of hot IDF babes with guns.

Posted by: Jean at March 13, 2014 01:34 PM (Aqvh6)

Take. My. Money.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 13, 2014 09:40 AM (yh0zB)

178 157 Good afternoon Horde. We pissing anyone off today? Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 01:37 PM (da5Wo) Hey BC. Sure. Want a list?

Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 13, 2014 09:40 AM (HVff2)

179 I think that Mel Gibson should have a press conference where he says:

"I apologize for being a dick. What I won't apologize for is having shopped the script for 'The Passion of the Christ' to everyone in Hollywood, whereupon it was rejected by all. Then I had to use my own money to finance it, and it made $500 million worldwide."

Then Mel should pull down his pants and moon the crowd, saying "Look Into My Brown Eye!"

Posted by: Sharkman at March 13, 2014 09:40 AM (TM1p8)

180 In Vino Veritas is just bullshit. It's a saying from a time of scientific ignorance. Look, you can take drugs that will have you spouting insane shit, saying every curse word, n-word, and taboo phrase imaginable. That's not who you "really are". It's just you under the influence of that particular chemical.

Posted by: Al Sharpton at March 13, 2014 09:41 AM (ZPrif)

181

Oh and the studio can just have a made up names with LLC owners in a foreign island, so no one knows who is really behind it. Wink, wink.

No explicit Blaze/Beck connection needed.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 09:41 AM (tVTLU)

182 I loved Apacalypto. And GIbson was trying to make a great pro-Jew movie about Judas Maccabeus and his sons. Esterhauz killed it by turning in a shitball of a script.

Posted by: imp at March 13, 2014 09:41 AM (L9AnB)

183 Year of Living Dangerously Mel.....ay caramba.

Posted by: Gem at March 13, 2014 09:41 AM (zw+pb)

184 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 13, 2014 01:35 PM (PYAXX)

His father was very outspokenly antisemitic. To have grown up around the man and not have some of that rub off is too much to believe.

The ground was fertile.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Microaggressive SoCon) at March 13, 2014 09:42 AM (LSDdO)

185 Hey BC. Sure. Want a list? Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 13, 2014 01:40 PM (HVff2) Absolutely. Gotta get caught up and all that.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 09:42 AM (da5Wo)

186 This Mel Gibson bigot deserves everything he's getting.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at March 13, 2014 09:42 AM (WvGsS)

187 Miy understanding was he'd gone off the beam in the way of his father, so I just thought him ill. I hoped he'd feel better and was not optimistic.

If he's fixed up now yay.

Posted by: SarahW at March 13, 2014 09:42 AM (Lbv/k)

188 In the Thirties, I can definitely see Hollywood doing business with Germans/Germany/Nazis, I'll seek out a book or credible essay on the topic. Kindle maybe? Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 01:39 PM (ZshNr) What do you mean by doing business? I mean Hollywood made pictures. Who bought them and watched them is not really the issue is it?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 09:42 AM (t3UFN)

189 Let he who has not done something stupid when intoxicated or horney cast the first aspersions.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 13, 2014 09:42 AM (ZenZ0)

190 As a Jew, you can tell Jew jokes all day long, tell me you hate Jews, believe that Jews run the world, and I don't give a flying f*ck, so long as you are not a public official trying to incorporate that into some kind of public policy. If you are consistently obnoxious enough, I may choose not to buy your products (Roger) and I may speak out against your beliefs. But I don't like organized "boycotts" against people for speaking their mind, particularly for words exchanged in the heat of the moment, or while three sheets to the wind. In the particular case of Mr. Gibson he is s mixed bag. I think he's got a screw loose when it comes to Jews (much of which probably stems from his old man). But he's also been a great champion of freedom, and a proud supporter of America and America's armed forces in particular. I say you don't have to hang out with the guy, but let Mel be Mel. And, if you had to add it all up, I see him as more a positive force in the culture wars than otherwise.

Posted by: Gentleman of the Hebraic Persuasion at March 13, 2014 09:43 AM (HEo6y)

191 Mel in 'Year of Living Dangerously' was unbelievably hot. Sigh.

Slightly OT: Why has this guy, Terry Richardson, not been shunned yet?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/lpalxno

Posted by: Lizzy at March 13, 2014 09:43 AM (aq/zi)

192

Doing a bump of coke at a party once a year might feel good but do it four times a day for a year and you've got a serious problem.

Word.

Posted by: Stevie Nicks at March 13, 2014 09:43 AM (zF6Iw)

193 His father was very outspokenly antisemitic. To have grown up around the man and not have some of that rub off is too much to believe. The ground was fertile. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Microaggressive SoCon) at March 13, 2014 01:42 PM (LSDdO) And there encapsulates most of the worries a lot of us have with Rand Paul.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 09:44 AM (da5Wo)

194

Oh, and Vic re my comment on the other post:

In '08, Obama won FL-13 at almost 52%, higher than he beat Romney at.

Maybe there's a discrepancy in there b/c the district does not exactly match the Congressional race vs. the Prez race? I'm not sure.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 09:44 AM (tVTLU)

195 not sons, brothers. yeesh, gotta get back to work

Posted by: imp at March 13, 2014 09:45 AM (L9AnB)

196 you'd think they'd give him a small break since was one of the first white actors to share a franchise with a black actor.

Posted by: Otter at March 13, 2014 09:45 AM (KHo8t)

197 Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 01:39 PM (tVTLU) Go through old Sci Fi for the stories that Hollywood will not do... those with fairly conservative messages... Do Starship Troopers right... Hammers Slammers... the Dorsai Saga... John Steakly's Armor.... Lots of very cool stories... which HUGE special effects possibilities... and conservative messages of Honor, Faith... and support for the Military... and why sometimes you HAVE to fight...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 09:45 AM (84gbM)

198 Well, I'm off to the grocery store to get some peaches. I want to see if my apple cream pie recipe works for peaches, too. I think it will.

Later roonz and roonettez, fear no evil!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 13, 2014 09:45 AM (yh0zB)

199 157 Good afternoon Horde. We pissing anyone off today? Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 01:37 PM (da5Wo) Well, I just got a call from a nice Brannon volunteer who was kind enough to tell me Dr Brannon's judgement for lying was all a misunderstanding. I guess that settles it for me. Glad she called.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 13, 2014 09:46 AM (0FSuD)

200 185 This Mel Gibson bigot deserves everything he's getting. Posted by: Roman Polanski THREAD WINNER

Posted by: imp at March 13, 2014 09:46 AM (L9AnB)

201 That's what I mean. Literally doing business in Germany or dealing with German businessmen during the Thirties. For film- making, distribution, maybe even technology considering the German reputation for lens making. It would probably be hard to do any of those things without brushing up against Nazi Party members. For all I know, the studios were abetting the US spying on the Germans they were doing business with. That sounds like a story I've actually heard.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 09:46 AM (ZshNr)

202 Look, you can take drugs that will have you spouting insane shit, saying every curse word, n-word, and taboo phrase imaginable. That's not who you "really are". You. Get. Away. From. My. Val-U-Rite.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 13, 2014 09:46 AM (659DL)

203 the temp of my shitter seat

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 01:38 PM (t3UFN)

http://www.totousa.com/Washlet/B100.aspx

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2014 09:46 AM (QFxY5)

204 Oh man, I had this joke yesterday!

Entertainment Reporter: It's Time to Forgive Mel Gibson

...but first you will blow me!

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 09:47 AM (GQ8sn)

205 His father was very outspokenly antisemitic. To have grown up around the man and not have some of that rub off is too much to believe. No, it's not, because I know plenty who have done just that. Indeed, it has to happen at some point- or we'd still have segregation here. Here's what I do believe would be impossible for him to avoid... When my dad got mad (not often, but sometimes) he would be brought to complete incoherence by his anger. Literally could not get recognizable words out. Today, I do the same thing. My brain just reverts to that- because that's how I understand outbursts of anger. I think Gibson is the same way. I seriously do not believe he is anti-Semitic. It doesn't jibe with 20+ yrs in Hollywood making very successful movies. I do think that when he gets angry- especially when a Jew is the direct object of that anger (say, a cop pulling him over when he's drunk)- that he reverts to the outbursts of anger he grew up understanding. It no more means he's anti-Semitic at heart than my inarticulate bouts of rage (mostly in the car for me) mean I'm inarticulate at heart.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at March 13, 2014 09:47 AM (PYAXX)

206

Romeo13:

Exactly. It's so fucking perfect. With comic book/scifi stuff AND the Bible.

You've got the story. You've got an interested audience. How has this not been done already??

Admittedly the comic book stuff has been done, but there are so many better ones out there, such as Arkham Asylum graphic novel, etc.

THE WALKING DEAD!!! for example...

Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 09:47 AM (tVTLU)

207 In Vino Veritas is just bullshit. It's a saying from a time of scientific ignorance. I disagree. Mumsey Dearest was her meanest whilst drunk. It was then that she told me exactly what she thought of me. Alcohol holds a special place in psychology that other drugs don't.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 13, 2014 09:47 AM (0HooB)

208 Posted by: Al Sharpton at March 13, 2014 01:41 PM (ZPrif) LOL.... an Al Sharpton sock talking about telling the truth.... Now THAT is funny....

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 09:47 AM (84gbM)

209 "Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Microaggressive SoCon) at March 13, 2014 01:42 PM (LSDdO)" It seems to me that some Jews, particularly those in progressive dominated fields like the movie industry are working pretty hard to validate every Stormfront stereotype about them. Fertile fields remain barren if people don't chuck seeds at them.

Posted by: Johnny at March 13, 2014 09:47 AM (WvGsS)

210 As has been mentioned upthread, it's not like Gibson hasn't kept working. He has, just not necessarily as the leading man. The films he's appeared in, so far as I know, haven't suffered any negative box office because of his presence in them. So if people claim that it's decreased box office revenue that leads to his continued "blacklisting," they're lying.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 09:47 AM (4df7R)

211 Slightly OT: Why has this guy, Terry Richardson, not been shunned yet? http://preview.tinyurl.com/lpalxno Posted by: Lizzy at March 13, 2014 01:43 PM (aq/zi) Shunned? I'm surprised he isn't given awards by that crowd.

Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 09:48 AM (fWAjv)

212 Gibson's actual boycottable crime was not any of the shit that anyone in Hollywood complains about, of course, since pedophilia, rape, murder and all the other "fun" stuff people there get away with every day are all worse than just saying mean things about Jews and being a dick to his girlfriend.

His real CRIME was making The Passion of The Christ. That's why they hate him.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 13, 2014 09:48 AM (TM1p8)

213 As has been mentioned upthread, it's not like Gibson hasn't kept working. He has, just not necessarily as the leading man. The films he's appeared in, so far as I know, haven't suffered any negative box office because of his presence in them. So if people claim that it's decreased box office revenue that leads to his continued "blacklisting," they're lying.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 13, 2014 01:47 PM (4df7R)

He should take a cue from Hollywood and announce Passion Of The Christ Part 2: Jesusnado!!!

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 09:49 AM (GQ8sn)

214 And looking around it is apparent Richardson isn't loathed but loved.

Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 09:49 AM (fWAjv)

215 One of the things that really disturbs me about Gibson is the trend toward hyper-violence in his movies. It seems fetishized and odd, and that suggests that there is, in fact, a screw loose somewhere.

But the fact that he articulated his hatred of Jews (real or driven by alcohol's demons) is trivial. There is enough Jew-hatred in Hollywood that is subtle and behind the scenes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2014 09:50 AM (QFxY5)

216 >>His father was very outspokenly antisemitic. To have grown up around the man and not have some of that rub off is too much to believe. The ground was fertile. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Microaggressive SoCon) at March 13, 2014 01:42 PM (LSDdO) >>And there encapsulates most of the worries a lot of us have with Rand Paul. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk what's the deal with Rick Perry's dad?

Posted by: X at March 13, 2014 09:50 AM (KHo8t)

217 It seems to me that some Jews, particularly those in progressive dominated fields like the movie industry are working pretty hard to validate every Stormfront stereotype about them. Fertile fields remain barren if people don't chuck seeds at them. Posted by: Johnny at March 13, 2014 01:47 PM (WvGsS) I have no idea what you mean but I will assume, you are being incoherent and stop at that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 09:50 AM (t3UFN)

218 So, did this movie review explain the symbolism of the volcano or not?

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 13, 2014 09:50 AM (VjL9S)

219 196 Do Starship Troopers right. Hahahaha.... "Bugs Mr Rico! Zillions of them"! In Hollywood today, the Bugs would be the heros as they are "natural" critters are defending the environment. "shines the name... shines the name of Roger Young!" ahahahahahah. A hetero normative, crypto right wing male gun owning fascist!

Posted by: Havildar - Major at March 13, 2014 09:50 AM (kduZC)

220 Passion Of The Christ Part 2: Jesusnado!

He's back!!!

Christ has risen from the dead, and he's looking to save some souls and kick some ass in His Father's name!

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 09:51 AM (GQ8sn)

221 172 This really is not that hard. Glenn Beck/The Blaze could be the moving force and find one of these rich Koch's or whomever to fund the project. Cost = $100MM. Mel Gibson produces religious based/Bible story movies. 70% of budget goes to this side. Then you find some bad ass libertarian writer, aka Frank Miller, and do some dark and violent comic book movies, 30% of budget goes to this side. (a la Lionsgate) Winner, winner, chicken dinner.Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 01:39 PM (tVTLU)

Well he did buy that movie studio in Texas...not such a bad idea really. America is all about second chances, he could invest in talented ppl who have been shunned for a variety of reasons, especially the conservatives. Get Frank Miller, David Mamet, Daniel Knauf and Orson Scott Card to write stories, Mel Gibson to direct and act, Maria Conchita Alonso and Robert Davi to act, the list goes on...that is actually the beginning of a very beautiful sounding friendship. IF, and only if, you can get ppl to actually buy your product once it is done. And if the product is good.

Posted by: LizLem at March 13, 2014 09:51 AM (BF+2f)

222 Fertile fields remain barren if people don't chuck seeds at them.

Posted by: Johnny at March 13, 2014 01:47 PM (WvGsS)

Yeah...you are correct. We should stop being successful and owning banks and studios and shit.

Should we wear yellow stars? That would make it easier for you to recognize us.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2014 09:51 AM (QFxY5)

223

Other thing re being drunk or fucked up and saying bad shit.

I tend to let that go for slurs and think nothing of it. Sometimes people just say shit.

But if you actually can put together sentences/conspiracy theories like jews run the world and want to enslave us all, that makes me wonder.

Case in point: Bobby Jenks (closer for world series champ white sox) used to call his agent: "Dirty Fucking Jew". Newsflash for all the pansies out there, that's just language people talk/use some time. See also Mr. Incognito.

I give that a pass.

But if you start articulating theories/actual reasons why a certain race needs to be stamped out in a drunk/screwed up state, then perhaps that guy needs to be watched a little closer!!

Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 09:51 AM (tVTLU)

224 I think he needs a mozza ball summit.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 13, 2014 09:52 AM (/rlXg)

225 213 And looking around it is apparent Richardson isn't loathed but loved.

Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 01:49 PM (fWAjv)

He's well known to be an exploitative perv. I don't know why any model would shoot with him.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 13, 2014 09:52 AM (DrWcr)

226 Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 01:50 PM (t3UFN)

You are, as usual, nicer than I am.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2014 09:52 AM (QFxY5)

227 @169 - And climate change is bad! All those places Harry Belafonte sang about bananas, they're going to be underwater!

Posted by: Danny Glover at March 13, 2014 09:52 AM (o+SC1)

228 Do Starship Troopers right.

Hahahaha.... "Bugs Mr Rico! Zillions of them"!

In Hollywood today, the Bugs would be the heros as they are "natural" critters are defending the environment.

"shines the name... shines the name of Roger Young!"

ahahahahahah. A hetero normative, crypto right wing male gun owning fascist!

Posted by: Havildar - Major at March 13, 2014 01:50 PM (kduZC)

Chicks in zero g! I see a part for Kate Upton.

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 09:53 AM (GQ8sn)

229 Oh, and they are re-making Mad Max, one of the greatest movies of all time? WHAT THE FUCKETY FUCKING FUCK?

"Mad Max: Fury Road is an upcoming Australian post-apocalyptic action film directed, produced and co-written by George Miller, and the fourth film of Miller's Mad Max franchise. The first film of the franchise in almost 30 years, Fury Road is a reboot of the franchise featuring British actor Tom Hardy as Mad Max. The film is scheduled to be released on May 15, 2015."

Sorry, everyone involved with this abortion should be executed.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 13, 2014 09:53 AM (TM1p8)

230 You are, as usual, nicer than I am. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2014 01:52 PM (QFxY5) you haven't seen me real pissed yet. It's a slow boil and then I erupt

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 09:53 AM (t3UFN)

231 i say let the healing begin!

Posted by: hack at March 13, 2014 09:53 AM (zAZNI)

232

Lizlem:

Perfect idea. And Gibson is the perfect guy to do it. He likely knows ALL the people and what is needed to get it up and running and done in a very professional matter.

Time is short on this. The fucking POS studios are already thinking about it re Noah.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 09:53 AM (tVTLU)

233 Should we wear yellow stars? That would make it easier for you to recognize us.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2014 01:51 PM (QFxY5)

Nah. Your hooked noses, beady eyes, and blood-stained lips (from the blood of Arab children, naturally) are a dead giveaway.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 13, 2014 09:53 AM (DrWcr)

234 @227 - I see many parts for Kate Upton. I just have to keep my hands off them or they make a mess.

Posted by: JEM at March 13, 2014 09:54 AM (o+SC1)

235 Slightly OT: Why has this guy, Terry Richardson, not been shunned yet?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/lpalxno

Posted by: Lizzy at March 13, 2014 01:43 PM (aq/zi)

Oh man, what a    creepy    fuck.

And why does this not surprise me? From    the girl's interview:

"The one thing that does boggle my mind, though, is his shoot with Obama. I mean, heÂ’s the president. I was a young naÃ¯ve girl, so I think itÂ’s pretty understandable that I didnÂ’t do my research and know what I was getting into, but youÂ’d think the president would have some sort of team that would tell him that Richardson is a photographer with a very bad reputation, and that it wouldnÂ’t be a good idea."

How very like our    Tiger Beat preezy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 09:54 AM (4df7R)

236 Slightly OT: Why has this guy, Terry Richardson, not been shunned yet? *** I'm not even clicking on the link because Uncle Terry has a long and revolting history of misbehavior and I've ranted a number of times before about parents who still submit their daughters to the sonofabitch. Whatever is at that link can't be any good.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 09:54 AM (DmNpO)

237 It seems to me that some Jews, particularly those in progressive dominated fields like the movie industry are working pretty hard to validate every Stormfront stereotype about them. Fertile fields remain barren if people don't chuck seeds at them. Posted by: Johnny um no. Of Charlie Sheen, Roger Waters, and Oliver Stone would be unemployed. They are not. And you seem pretty fertile yourself

Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 09:55 AM (zOTsN)

238 I see many parts for Kate Upton. I just have to keep my hands off them or they make a mess.

Idea:

Recruiting poster for the Mobile Infantry with Kate Upton partially dressed in her powered armour.

"Are you ready to drop?"

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 09:55 AM (GQ8sn)

239 IMDB, motherfuckers. Do you speak it?

Posted by: The guy who keeps wondering about this "blacklist" at March 13, 2014 09:55 AM (A0sHn)

240

He's back!!!

Christ has risen from the dead

In many ways, this is the story of Trayvon Martin.

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at March 13, 2014 09:55 AM (DrWcr)

241 219 Passion Of The Christ Part 2: Jesusnado! He's back!!! Christ has risen from the dead, and he's looking to save some souls and kick some ass in His Father's name! This is a whole set of sequels here bubla. You got your resurection. You got your ascensction. You got your second coming. Oy! And, the prequels just write themselves, darlings. This is Gold, Jerry.... Gold!

Posted by: Havildar - Major at March 13, 2014 09:55 AM (kduZC)

242 Wake Forest, who upset Notre Dame yesterday, goes for two straight in the ACC Tournament oday, tipping off in a few minutes on CBS. Disappointing season for the Deacs, but a run in the Tourney is always a nice way to end a season.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 09:55 AM (ZshNr)

243 Posted by: Havildar - Major at March 13, 2014 01:50 PM (kduZC) the idea was to have a Conservative leaning company that made movies like that... Note... Battle for Los Angeles was a financial success.... made $211 million worldwide... THAT is the type of movie we are talking about... there is an audience there....

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 09:56 AM (84gbM)

244 One other question: Did Ace's post first end at his "coke bump" comment and then he added that huge last section, or did I just miss that last section the first time I read it?

Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 09:56 AM (tVTLU)

245 Yeah...you are correct. We should stop being successful and owning banks and studios and shit. Should we wear yellow stars? That would make it easier for you to recognize us. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2014 01:51 PM (QFxY5) Screeching "Holocaust!" whenever someone directs criticism at some Jews is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Criticizing atheists, Christians and even Muslims, fair game, happens all the time. Say something even moderately bad about a subset of Jews though and an army of butthurt whiners comes out declaring you Hitler's Grandson.

Posted by: Johnny at March 13, 2014 09:56 AM (WvGsS)

246 IMDB, motherfuckers. Do you speak it? ---------- The Beaver, Get The Gringo, and Expendables 3. Impressive.

Posted by: Danny Glover at March 13, 2014 09:57 AM (Aif/5)

247 @234 - " and will likely continue to happen until his dick falls off" I love her. And not in the Terry Richardson sense.

Posted by: JEM at March 13, 2014 09:57 AM (o+SC1)

248 Johnny, What's that about Stormfront? Come again?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 09:57 AM (ZPrif)

249 He should take a cue from Hollywood and announce Passion Of The Christ Part 2: Jesusnado!!! - This time it's personal.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 13, 2014 09:57 AM (ZenZ0)

250 I forgive Gibson just merely on the fact that he made the movie Payback.

Posted by: Kate and Edith Tuell at March 13, 2014 09:57 AM (ODr92)

251 Screeching "Holocaust!" whenever someone directs criticism at some Jews is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Criticizing atheists, Christians and even Muslims, fair game, happens all the time. Say something even moderately bad about a subset of Jews though and an army of butthurt whiners comes out declaring you Hitler's Grandson. Posted by: Johnny please to go fuck yourself

Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 09:57 AM (zOTsN)

252 Recruiting poster for the Mobile Infantry with Kate Upton partially dressed in her powered armour. "Are you ready to drop?" Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 01:55 PM (GQ8sn) Nah... follow the Book... Kate as the CO of a drop ship.... because Women made better Pilots in the book... No need to go all PC...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 09:58 AM (84gbM)

253 I just realized who Terry Richardson is.

He's the guy that gave us the Kate Upton "cat daddy" photoshoot.

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 09:58 AM (GQ8sn)

254 I say you don't have to hang out with the guy, but let Mel be Mel. And, if you had to add it all up, I see him as more a positive force in the culture wars than otherwise.

Posted by: Gentleman of the Hebraic Persuasion at March 13, 2014 01:43 PM (HEo6y)

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If what you mean is American culture and/or Christian culture, then I can see why Hollywood is using his rant as an excuse to ban him. Hollywood hates both.

Posted by: Soona at March 13, 2014 09:58 AM (Wz9US)

255 OWOWOWOWOWOW MY FOOT OWOWOWOWOWOWOW.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 09:58 AM (VtjlW)

256 >>>And so the bidding goes thus:<<<
.
Happens all the time. Outrage escalation, primitive bonding.

Posted by: Javems at March 13, 2014 09:58 AM (nTgAI)

257 He does have the role as the villain in The Expendables 3 this summer. I don't know if that'll do much for his career, but at least it means he can still get a semi-high profile movie at this stage of his career.

I wish George Miller and Warner Bros. had brought him back as Max in Mad Max: Fury Road which for some reason is taking over 2 years to reach theaters after it finished filming. It's probably gonna tank with Tom "Bane" Hardy in the role. Even detractors of Gibson would've been somewhat curious about the movie had he returned to the role.

Posted by: Adam_ME at March 13, 2014 09:58 AM (Tuwkv)

258 Apology accepted, but FIRST YOU WILL S*** MY D***

Posted by: The Roid Warrior at March 13, 2014 09:58 AM (OJCL9)

259 Screeching "Holocaust!" whenever someone directs criticism at some Jews is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Criticizing atheists, Christians and even Muslims, fair game, happens all the time. Say something even moderately bad about a subset of Jews though and an army of butthurt whiners comes out declaring you Hitler's Grandson. Posted by: Johnny at March 13, 2014 01:56 PM (WvGsS) Say something coherent and we'll talk with you, but ramble on about G-D knows what, and ah why am I even trying. I've met your type my whole life, go to hell

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 09:58 AM (t3UFN)

260

Mel made himself so toxic that anyone making a movie just cannot touch him for fear of taking an economic bath. I don't think that Hollywood is saying that we won't hire Mel because of what he said. It's we can't hire him because we'll lose money.

Posted by: Phil Dayton at March 13, 2014 09:59 AM (eFytx)

261 Nah... follow the Book... Kate as the CO of a drop ship.... because Women made better Pilots in the book...

No need to go all PC...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 01:58 PM (84gbM)

Bald Kate Upton?

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 09:59 AM (GQ8sn)

262 Brilliant essay, Ace.

Posted by: holygoat at March 13, 2014 09:59 AM (vAiDn)

263 OWOWOWOWOWOW MY FOOT OWOWOWOWOWOWOW.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 01:58 PM (VtjlW)

ACK!

*throws Karl Urban at your feet to make it better somehow!!*

What happened!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 10:00 AM (4df7R)

264 Eeew, someone spilled their seeds all over the thread.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 10:00 AM (ZshNr)

265 Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 01:58 PM (t3UFN) Low username to post content correlation detected.

Posted by: Johnny at March 13, 2014 10:00 AM (WvGsS)

266 Posted by: Johnny at March 13, 2014 01:56 PM (WvGsS)

You aren't very bright...are you?

If you are going to troll, try to be coherent and logically consistent.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2014 10:00 AM (QFxY5)

267 As long as he is not on Lindsay Lohan's "slept with" list.

Posted by: Spring Fling at March 13, 2014 10:00 AM (i7KmQ)

268 Ace plays bridge?

Posted by: eleven at March 13, 2014 10:01 AM (fsLdt)

269 Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 02:00 PM (ZshNr)

DAMNIT!

Posted by: Onan at March 13, 2014 10:01 AM (QFxY5)

270 And also his scene in Patriot. The movie may have been eh but the scene where he takes his two boys to rescue his just captured older son is awesomely awesome.

Posted by: Kate and Edith Tuell at March 13, 2014 10:01 AM (ODr92)

271 Low username to post content correlation detected. Posted by: Johnny what are you talking about?

Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 10:01 AM (zOTsN)

272 If the victim of Gibson's rants was society, then there was no victim. Let the smug, guilt-tripping, hypocritical market of Hollywood decide if they want to bring him back into the fold.

Posted by: RampantConsumerism at March 13, 2014 10:01 AM (6V4n9)

273

Ace fucking nailed it with his cards scenario.

You magnificent bastard.

This is exactly what occurs in the political arena. Republicans are racist mean people that don't care about anyone but the rich. And the fools/parrots of perpetual outrage outbid each other to knock them.

False premise of course, but one can see that waterfall in impressionable and/or stupid voters, aka college campuses, media outlets and ghettos. And there's a punishment for those who disagree in each community.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 10:01 AM (tVTLU)

274 ACK! *throws Karl Urban at your feet to make it better somehow!!* What happened! Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 13, 2014 02:00 PM (4df7R)
*snuggles with Karl Urban and you* BC knows.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 10:01 AM (VtjlW)

275 Fuckin incoherent troll

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 10:01 AM (t3UFN)

276 He isn't "blacklisted." He fucked himself. I defended the Passion from people who said it was antisemitic propaganda. Turns out the guy who made it was in fact a virulent antisemite whose father denies the Holocaust. Alcohol tends to reveal the type of person you are; you don't just go on antisemitic rants unless you deep down believe it. I don't patronize scumbag liberals who support the BDS movement against Israel either.

Posted by: Naes1984 at March 13, 2014 10:02 AM (LiHKo)

277 what are you talking about? Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 02:01 PM (zOTsN) It's a joke. His name is nevergiveup but he gave up pretty fast.

Posted by: Johnny at March 13, 2014 10:02 AM (WvGsS)

278 Hey I just noticed that Karl Urban and Kate Upton have the same initials!

Whoa....

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 10:02 AM (GQ8sn)

279 seriously NDH gives someone else a hat tip about pprune.org? I put that effin info here days ago, back when the malayasian thread was indouble digits. sigh.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 10:02 AM (rDidD)

280 Low username to post content correlation detected. Posted by: Johnny at March 13, 2014 02:00 PM (WvGsS) I don' theenk so, Lu-cee.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at March 13, 2014 10:02 AM (JQuNB)

281 Reid is seriously fucking delusional. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Thursday accused Republicans of holding up crucial assistance to Ukraine in order to protect the Koch brothers.

Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 10:03 AM (fWAjv)

282 Note... Battle for Los Angeles was a financial success.... made $211 million worldwide...

THAT is the type of movie we are talking about... there is an audience there....

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2014 01:56 PM (84gbM)

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"Battle For Los Angeles is a cheaply made SciFi channel knock-off from "Battle Los Angeles". It sucked the big one.

"Battle Los Angeles" is one of my favorite movies now. It showed the military in a a very good light.

Posted by: Soona at March 13, 2014 10:03 AM (Wz9US)

283 Johnny you seem to be inferring that Jews control Hollywood and that's why Gibson is being shunned. Jews keeping a brother down. Is that the case?

Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 10:03 AM (zOTsN)

284 *snuggles with Karl Urban and you* BC knows. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 02:01 PM (VtjlW) *thud* Indeed. And I'm laughing over here.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 10:03 AM (da5Wo)

285 "Battle Los Angeles" is one of my favorite movies now. It showed the military in a a very good light.

I wish the movie didn't end so abruptly.

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 10:04 AM (GQ8sn)

286 RWC: I think he may actually be going senile at a rapid pace. He's a sad figure to watch.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 10:04 AM (tVTLU)

287
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Thursday accused Republicans of holding up crucial assistance to Ukraine in order to protect the Koch brothers.

Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 02:03 PM (fWAjv)

Jeezy Creezy.

WE GET IT, Hairy! You want us to pretend that the Koch brothers are our rightwing thought leaders! GIVE IT UP, IT AIN'T HAPPENIN', YOU DICK.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 10:04 AM (4df7R)

288 pprune.org? I put that effin info here days ago, back when the malayasian thread was indouble digits. sigh. *** If you didn't get due credit, I apologize, but you can't seriously think I read every comment on every thread, can you?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 10:04 AM (DmNpO)

289 He does have the role as the villain in The Expendables 3 this summer. I don't know if that'll do much for his career, but at least it means he can still get a semi-high profile movie at this stage of his career.

Mainstream Hollywood really, really hates the Expendables movies. It's practically blasphemy in modern Hollywood to have someone who kicks ass and isn't female.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 13, 2014 10:04 AM (B/VB5)

290 "the fact Hollywood sides with Roman Polanski, a pedophile and a rapist, but can't forgive an ugly anti-Semitic drunken rant, tells you all you need to know about Hollywood morals. Gibson's drunken rant was bad, but no one was actually harmed by it. Polanski, on the other hand . . . . Posted by: biancaneve at March 13, 2014 01:18 PM (2sR50)" That pretty much sums Hollywood's priorities up. If Gibson was "correct" politically, he never would have been black balled. Shit, most of the ACTORS probably have similar feelings toward Jews, but they are savvy enough to keep them to themselves.

Posted by: holygoat at March 13, 2014 10:05 AM (vAiDn)

291 Is Mel related to Charles Gibson? Charles would forgive him if he had ever heard of him.

They're first cousins, I believe.

No, I am making that up.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2014 10:05 AM (I8YZX)

292 *thud*

lol!

Indeed. And I'm laughing over here.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 02:03 PM (da5Wo)

*hops from foot to foot* Inside joke! No fair! Tell me!

MWR <-- bein' bossy!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 10:05 AM (4df7R)

293 I can forgive Mel's drunken outbursts. But for making a movie about Jesus that people liked and went to see he must be shunned forever.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 13, 2014 10:05 AM (XO6WW)

294 Ace,

Do you think the original article is truly about forgiving Mel Gibson?

Or is it about making it easier for Hollywood to continue to turn a blind eye towards the Woody Allens and Roman Polanskis?

A common refrain from critics is: "How can you blacklist folks like Gibson while pouring accolades on Allen, Polanski?"

This might blunt that a bit.

Not saying the author means to do this. But perhaps the editors who green-lit the article.

Posted by: Gimley at March 13, 2014 10:05 AM (FdjiO)

295

I was disappointed with Mel after the rant. I don't choose my movies based on how people vote or who they sleep with or whether they're nice to their pets. I choose for entertainment value. I like several of Alec Baldwin's performances.

But you identify with certain stars. You want to like them. I want to live in a world where Mel Gibson is a great guy, and maybe one day we'd have a beer and go wombat shooting.

Whatever personal anguish he was going through at the time, the rant revealed him to be Not a Nice Person. Nice people don't think those things. So, I felt sad that I lost a possible beer and wombat partner.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 13, 2014 10:05 AM (A0sHn)

296 "282 Johnny you seem to be inferring that Jews control Hollywood and that's why Gibson is being shunned. Jews keeping a brother down. Is that the case? Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 02:03 PM (zOTsN)" http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19

Posted by: Johnny at March 13, 2014 10:05 AM (WvGsS)

297

yeah

force those Jews to hire Gibson-those Jews got no right to work with people they want to work with

(what boycott of Gibson?)

Posted by: ploome at March 13, 2014 10:05 AM (S/ToX)

298 How come Hollywood gives Hillary fucking Jew Bastard Clinton mucho love?

Posted by: Kate and Edith Tuell at March 13, 2014 10:06 AM (ODr92)

299 pprune.org? I put that effin info here days ago, back when the malayasian thread was indouble digits. sigh.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 02:02 PM (rDidD)

And I stole that link from someone who got it from you and then passed it on. And did I get a hat tip or mention? No.
*sniff*

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 13, 2014 10:06 AM (XkotV)

300 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 13, 2014 01:47 PM (4df7R)

Whoa. No one's making any claims as far as I've read.

This is all opinion.

And stars sell movies. Star directors, producers, actors/actresses.

And that's a fact.

A lesser part or a cameo isn't that big a deal. A lead part is.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Microaggressive SoCon) at March 13, 2014 10:06 AM (LSDdO)

301 Nobody wants to talk about "The Spirit of Vatican II"?

Mankind's history is the history of strife. Ergo, the history of religion is of its strifes. Christianity, because closer to home, has more to display. There. Brings us to, like, 1964 or so. Bunch of stuff that got no more than a reading-into-the-record, and was Definitely Not Part of the Vatican II statements of faith, have hung around because there is a never-ending civil war within Roman Catholicism. Social justice gospel, female priesthood, gay marriage, and nonexclusive co-communion are a few of the issues. Times are tough, nobody likes bad optics or purging heresies, so yer Church hasn't been as enthusiastic about beating down certain flames as they were in ages past.

Gibson has a small private chapel, with coreligionists, that "hears" the old Latin Mass. It varies by bishopric, but in places in the US that can get you excommunicated. And it has led to questions and rumors about whether he's involved with other conservative Catholic movements (Sede Vacante for instance), or just unmoved by some unauthorized but popular liberal ones.

The Jews are not his problem. There is a whispering campaign against Gibson among left-liberal Catholics.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 13, 2014 10:06 AM (xq1UY)

302 "the fact Hollywood sides with Roman Polanski, a pedophile and a rapist, but can't forgive an ugly anti-Semitic drunken rant, tells you all you need to know about Hollywood morals. Gibson's drunken rant was bad, but no one was actually harmed by it. Polanski, on the other hand . . . .
Posted by: biancaneve at March 13, 2014 01:18 PM (2sR50)"

I remind you of   just a few weeks ago.

Matthew   McConnadalkru;ahghey (I can never spell hsi name)   thanks God in his   Oscar speech.   Gets tepid applause and   is   excoriated on Twitter.

Cate Blanchett thanks   Woody Allen for casting her in "Blue Jasmine."

Woody Allen gets more applause THAN GOD.

This is Hollywood.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 10:07 AM (4df7R)

303 And Mr. "You Know, Stormfront Makes Some Good Points" above is why so few want to defend Gibson. Cause you are having a normal human conversation, making legit points, pointing out Hollywood's hypocrisies ... and then you look around and there's Stormfront guy nodding his head vigorously and giving you an atta boy and patting you on the back and ... you say, fuck this, and jump back to the other side. Cause nobody wants to be on the same side with Stormfront guy.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 10:07 AM (ZPrif)

304 Koch? That's a Jew name, isn't it?

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 13, 2014 10:07 AM (ZenZ0)

305 Gibson was right! Just yesterday the Jews (who have been interloping in Harlem for decades - called out brilliantly by the great Al Sharpton) blew up a black church killing dozens just to aquire more cheap property in Harlem and drive the brown people out!

Posted by: qestionmann at March 13, 2014 10:07 AM (FdpF8)

306 #281 Come on, Soona, when the rest of the squad fast-roped down after the sergeant, you know you teared up a little...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 13, 2014 10:07 AM (XO6WW)

307 Whoa. No one's making any claims as far as I've read.

It's rather the point of the whole post.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 10:07 AM (4df7R)

308 *hops from foot to foot* Inside joke! No fair! Tell me! MWR <-- bein' bossy! Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 13, 2014 02:05 PM (4df7R) Someone likes to name drop. One of the things that annoys me the most about the BanBossy bullshit is that it's dishonest. "Bossy" isn't the word they really want to ban. It's not the word they have a problem with. It's "Bitch". They don't like being called a bitch. There's an easy way to solve it beyond being a fucking grownup and not letting people who name call affect you.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 10:08 AM (da5Wo)

309 Ace, is this the same Mel Gibson that you said was the most handsome man you had ever see while watching "Mad Max" for the first time?
Hummm?
See Bromance. Or, was that some other moron?

Posted by: Paladin at March 13, 2014 10:08 AM (YNPwP)

310 If you didn't get due credit, I apologize, but you can't seriously think I read every comment on every thread, can you? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 02:04 PM (DmNpO) oh so now you expect me to be reasonable too? sheesh. I am only teasing. I had put in a link for it several times, cause I was thinking morons would like that stuff, and no one even noticed. I was surprised because I would have thought it would have been second only to a a link for katewhatshername.

It is a good site, lots of interesting info and info from people that work with metal birds and radar stuff. also lots of noobs, is that how you spell it, who have started dropping in in the last week and ask stupid questions. moderators do not suffer fools gladly.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 10:08 AM (rDidD)

311 "Mel Gibson is and always will be an anti-Semite! Now come on, everybody, it's time for the pro-Palestinian banquet. The gift baskets are supposed to be great this year."

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 13, 2014 10:09 AM (XO6WW)

312 >>> Ace, is this the same Mel Gibson that you said was the most handsome man you had ever see while watching "Mad Max" for the first time? Hummm? See Bromance. hah. Yes, indeed. Guy is just plain handsome.

Posted by: ace at March 13, 2014 10:09 AM (/FnUH)

313 235 Slightly OT: Why has this guy, Terry Richardson, not been shunned yet?

He was part of the team responsible for Miley Cyrus' "transformation." Enough said.

Posted by: LizLem at March 13, 2014 10:09 AM (BF+2f)

314 And I stole that link from someone who got it from you and then passed it on. And did I get a hat tip or mention? No. *sniff* *** It there were a single commenter here who hadn't at some time been the first to mention something that later showed up without attribute in a post or a sidebar, I'd be shocked. Neither Ace nor the COBs troll the comments looking to steal ideas from commenters. Sheesh

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 10:09 AM (DmNpO)

315 According to this FL-13 was won by MCain in 2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida%27s_13th_congressional_district

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 13, 2014 10:09 AM (T2V/1)

316 58 I want to know how many people in Hollywood want Mel Gibson to be blacklisted because of anti-semitism, and then turn around and demand the boycott of Israel in the next breath. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 13, 2014 01:21 PM (4df7R) + 1 As many have observed here, the problem that Hollyweird has isn't so much the comments or the drunken behavior (which to you and me are pretty nasty, but the entertainment industry forgives idiocy like that all the damn time). It's that he had the audacity to make a serious Jesus film and then go completely around the big studios and their marketing big wigs to get it produced and distributed. And it was a smashing fricking success. Hollywood hates that. And look at the other folks who were basically shunned just for being in the damn movie. I remember Jim Caviezel being a big deal, up-and-coming star at the time and suddenly his career went poof after he played Jesus and it came out he was a devout Catholic. It's taken the man the better part of a decade to get his career going again. He's flat out said he was shunned because of his work on The Passion. This is about punishing someone whose ideas and beliefs they don't like. The awful rant and drunken behavior- so easily brushed aside in cases where they bad behavior is from someone they like- is just the excuse.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at March 13, 2014 10:09 AM (qFpRI)

317 A cynic would point out that Gibson has already filmed Expendables 3, which is in post-production. A cynic would point out that Lionsgate is distributing and has a strong financial incentive to make sure there is no organized boycott of it due to Gibson appearing in it. Cause they've already filmed his scenes. The money has already been spent.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 10:10 AM (ZPrif)

318 Next door neighbor just come by to show me her new puppy. Now she has three dogs and three cats. All of who stay at my house.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 13, 2014 10:10 AM (T2V/1)

319 I'm still waiting for the mass liberal disappointment when they find out the correct pronunciation of "Koch" is "coke" rather than "cock".

Posted by: Ian S. at March 13, 2014 10:10 AM (B/VB5)

320 I would like to see Paula Deen make a comeback. Her downfall was so quick and complete it seemed planned.

Posted by: Baldy at March 13, 2014 10:10 AM (2bql3)

321 Holy extra update, ace. Mel made himself so toxic that anyone making a movie just cannot touch him for fear of taking an economic bath. I don't think that Hollywood is saying that we won't hire Mel because of what he said. It's we can't hire him because we'll lose money. Posted by: Phil Dayton at March 13, 2014 01:59 PM (eFytx) That's what makes RDJ's support of Mel so interesting. Sure, RDJ is the biggest star on the planet at the moment but when he first got out of jail, he had a very difficult time getting any work because no one would insure him. I mean, seriously, can you imagine being an underwriter for an insurance company and someone from the studio calls and hey we need to get a policy and yeah yeah sure you're half listening while nomming a sandwich as they rattle off the cast and then you hear "and Robert Downey Jr." and then you nearly choke to death laughing so hard. I wonder if Mel's acts of repentance, which do seem sincere, are part of the problem because he's actually trying to make amends. I mean, what's wrong with him, you don't make anonymous donations, you hold a big splashy press conference and then you go to "rehab" for your issues and then all is forgiven. Actually doing stuff? Pffft. Which leads me back to my pet theories. It's about making all the money on The Passion of the Christ and Mel was raised by a looney toon who is an actual anti-semite and that brings up concerns that no matter how much Mel may be trying to get away from those beliefs, that's what he really thinks. Okay, distributed Horde knowledge will know this. What is the weird branch of Catholicism his father's in? Is that the one that thinks that the current Pope isn't actually the Pope because the line split back in France when there were two popes or some such? As you can see, I've got my religious history down cold.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 10:10 AM (VtjlW)

322 Johnny so you are I know Joel Steins name. He is a prog writer prone to say a lot of trollish things. He makes a living off it. Sadly, I haven't seen him at any of the world domination meetings, an he probably does not know the secret handshake In any event, if Gibson's antisemetic statements are the reason for his banishment, explain how Charlie Sheen or Oliver Stone still find work

Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 10:10 AM (zOTsN)

323 Sheesh

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 02:09 PM (DmNpO)

Wait...what?

Maet was being amusing.

Ia there some subtext (anti-Semitic undoubtedly) that I'm missing?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2014 10:11 AM (QFxY5)

324 The View was quite clear on that, that girl was lucky that someone as famous and talented as Roman Polanski was attracted to her.

And Whoopi was right, "Rape-Rape" usually does not include barbiturates, children, and anal sex. That's a special thing we call "Child Butt Rape"

and its ok as long as you are a Hollywood Star, like Michael Jackson.

Posted by: leesus at March 13, 2014 10:11 AM (5d3DC)

325 It's taken the man the better part of a decade to get his career going again. He's flat out said he was shunned because of his work on The Passion.

Which is sad, because Person of Interest is great.

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 10:11 AM (GQ8sn)

326 I thought the article and Ace's post were very well done. My thoughts: - Mel is one of my all-time favorite actors. His work in Gallipoli, The Year of Living Dangerously, the Mad Max / Road Warrior series, The Patriot, and Braveheart was of the highest quality. - Mel has deep faith that is affected to some degree by the faith of his father, and Mel won't let us dig into the differences between him and his dad out of respect for his dad. - a rarity in Hollyweird, Mel had a long and fruitful marriage with a wife he'd met when quite young. - Mel has had anger and alcoholism issues that seem to be better controlled now. - Mel has convinced the article writer of his bona fides, and given her background that's impressive. - Mel would be wise to pioneer more paths as an independent filmmaker, with funding from those who are forgiving of his past sins. - Mel's rare form of Catholicism makes him especially vulnerable to self-abuse, so my prayer would be for him to have loving understanding true Christians in his life who can help him mature into the man Christ wants him to be, all for God's glory. - as for whether Hollyweird will ever forgive him enough to employ him as an actor or to produce his movies, I doubt it, which is why I'd tell him to blaze new independent film paths. That's all.

Posted by: Summing up at March 13, 2014 10:11 AM (pRe5G)

327 300 Gibson has a small private chapel, with coreligionists, that "hears" the old Latin Mass. It varies by bishopric, but in places in the US that can get you excommunicated. Excommunicated for attending the Latin Mass in US? Nonsense or I'd be exommunicated. Maybe you should google motu propio summorum pontificum from Bld JPII.

Posted by: Havildar - Major at March 13, 2014 10:11 AM (kduZC)

328 241 Wake Forest, who upset Notre Dame yesterday, goes for two straight in the ACC Tournament oday, tipping off in a few minutes on CBS. Disappointing season for the Deacs, but a run in the Tourney is always a nice way to end a season. Wait...upset Notre Dame? Must be talking about the girls, because you can't upset a team that's prostrate on the floor, gasping for air.

Posted by: Gem at March 13, 2014 10:11 AM (zw+pb)

329 His sin wasn't a few drunken private remarks that you could have heard shouted at any #Occupy rally.

Mel Gibson's sin was being Christian, not the good quiet Hollywood Christians that are embarrassed or ironic about their faith, but an unapologetic right-wing movie-making Christian. That is what can never be forgiven.

Alec Baldwin says worse things publicly while completely sober. Then retweets them. Then demands an apology when people complain. But he's a leftist, so no one seriously entertains the idea of blacklisting him.

Posted by: TallDave at March 13, 2014 10:11 AM (/s1LA)

330 If you didn't get due credit, I apologize, but you can't seriously think I read every comment on every thread, can you? - You're just not making it a priority. Maybe if you gave up cable TV and your fancy phone you could find time.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 13, 2014 10:12 AM (ZenZ0)

331 >>>Yes, indeed. Guy is just plain handsome. ----------- I hope he enjoys it while it lasts. People used to say that about me too.

Posted by: Rachel Maddow at March 13, 2014 10:12 AM (RjEEc)

332 oh so now you expect me to be reasonable too? sheesh. I am only teasing. I had put in a link for it several times, cause I was thinking morons would like that stuff, and no one even noticed. I was surprised because I would have thought it would have been second only to a a link for katewhatshername. *** heh. It IS a very interesting site. They seem to be rather quick to address any asinine theory that pops up over there. I have, more times than I can count, posted stuff that I thought was really terrific in the comments and not receive even a single response to it. I always get that puppy with the head-cocked look when it happens.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 10:12 AM (DmNpO)

333 285 RWC: I think he may actually be going senile at a rapid pace. He's a sad figure to watch. Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 02:04 PM (tVTLU) Yeah, I wasn't using 'delusional' as an insult. I think he is medically unstable.

Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 10:12 AM (fWAjv)

334 I'm calling it now. Mel Gibson in season 2 of True Detective.

Posted by: gewa76 at March 13, 2014 10:12 AM (k8m83)

335 Compare R Kelly to Mel Gibson & Paula Deen, FWIW.

Posted by: Baldy at March 13, 2014 10:13 AM (2bql3)

336 >>>I was disappointed with Mel after the rant. I don't choose my movies based on how people vote or who they sleep with or whether they're nice to their pets. I choose for entertainment value. I like several of Alec Baldwin's performances. But you identify with certain stars. You want to like them. I want to live in a world where Mel Gibson is a great guy, and maybe one day we'd have a beer and go wombat shooting. Whatever personal anguish he was going through at the time, the rant revealed him to be Not a Nice Person. Nice people don't think those things. So, I felt sad that I lost a possible beer and wombat partner. ... Fair point. But when this sort of thing gets moved past "personal decision" into the realm of "quasi-organized social effort," it can become too much. I liked Gibson a lot. I liked him a bit less after the outburst against Jews. I liked him even less after the insane rage he showed on the phone with his ex-girlfriend. But... one must also keep in mind that only SOME people have their very worst moments recorded. It's easy to forget -- because we are built to forget our own sins -- that were a recorder hooked up to each of us every hour of the day, some unpleasantness would be recorded.

Posted by: ace at March 13, 2014 10:13 AM (/FnUH)

337 It's "Bitch". They don't like being called a bitch. There's an easy way to solve it beyond being a fucking grownup and not letting people who name call affect you.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 02:08 PM (da5Wo)

*sad face* I've never been called a bitch. I kind of want to be called a bitch by the right people, namely hardcore leftwing whacko birds. Then I'd know that I struck a nerve.

*sad*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 10:13 AM (4df7R)

338 I'm a hell of a drug. Don't make me a habit.

Posted by: Coke at March 13, 2014 10:13 AM (JVEmw)

339 Come on, Soona, when the rest of the squad fast-roped down after the sergeant, you know you teared up a little...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 13, 2014 02:07 PM (XO6WW)

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Heh.

Posted by: Soona at March 13, 2014 10:13 AM (Wz9US)

340 prescient11, Thanks! I appreciate that.

Posted by: ace at March 13, 2014 10:14 AM (/FnUH)

341 Wait...what? Maet was being amusing. Ia there some subtext (anti-Semitic undoubtedly) that I'm missing? *** And Maet, being a COB, surely understands exactly what I was saying.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 10:14 AM (DmNpO)

342 Okay, distributed Horde knowledge will know this. What is the weird branch of Catholicism his father's in? Is that the one that thinks that the current Pope isn't actually the Pope because the line split back in France when there were two popes or some such? As you can see, I've got my religious history down cold.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 02:10 PM (VtjlW)

Not a Catholic, but, I think you are referring to the Great Schism and the Avignon Papacy. http://historymedren.about.com/od/thepapacy/p/avignon_papacy.htm

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 13, 2014 10:14 AM (kXoT0)

343 What is the weird branch of Catholicism his father's in? Is that the one that thinks that the current Pope isn't actually the Pope because the line split back in France when there were two popes or some such? As you can see, I've got my religious history down cold.

Don't know the particular group, but the word that describes it is 'sedevacantism.'
Sedevacantism. Ask for it by name.

Posted by: OregonMuse at March 13, 2014 10:15 AM (I8YZX)

344 Retweeted by Brad Thor Crystal Wright ‏@GOPBlackChick As Syria+Ukraine fall apart while Iran goes nuclear, Obama focuses on lifting transgender military ban. Important.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 10:15 AM (ZPrif)

345 I have, more times than I can count, posted stuff that I thought was really terrific in the comments and not receive even a single response to it.

I always get that puppy with the head-cocked look when it happens.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 02:12 PM (DmNpO)

That's because we're all just stealing your stuff and then posting it on the real blog at The Federalist. :-)

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 13, 2014 10:15 AM (XkotV)

346 It's all relative of course. Wake hadn't one a single ACC Tournament game since 2007.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 10:15 AM (ZshNr)

347 Forgive Mel for what??

Posted by: soothsayer at March 13, 2014 10:15 AM (IW1TI)

348 But... one must also keep in mind that only SOME people have their very worst moments recorded. ---------- The thing that bothered me about the Jooo hate was that it must have reflected something very deep in his psyche, though usually hidden. I could drink myself into a coma and

Posted by: Civ at March 13, 2014 10:15 AM (RjEEc)

349

and

after we force the JEws to hire Gibson, we can force the public to go to see his movies

Posted by: ploome at March 13, 2014 10:16 AM (S/ToX)

350 And I stole that link from someone who got it from you and then passed it on. And did I get a hat tip or mention? No. *sniff* Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at March 13, 2014 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was poorly feigned outrage. as explained above I was mostly getting at it seemed no one was even slightly interested in the link when I posted it earlier. I would have expected morons to have run over and looked around, com back and commented on the thread. I was disappointed because I wanted someone to talk with about it here; I have studiously avoided cluttering the board over there with my alien conspiracy theories. I really wanted someone to smack around the chinese with. silly chinese with their satellite photos.everyone thought those were low res, purposely degraded photos that were released late to protect their technology. nope, crappy satellites and analysts. china, heh

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 10:16 AM (rDidD)

351 Great Schism was the split between the Catholic and Orthodox Church. About 500 years before the Catholic and Protestant split.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 10:16 AM (ZPrif)

352 It is interesting (not really) those mention those with power. POWER i tell ya, but forget all those with different religion or no religion at all that actually Run things,
like Samantha Powerstein?
Susan Riceeinbach?
Obama let's be Frank we don't even know his real name.

Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 10:16 AM (nqBYe)

353

You know that scene in True Romance where Clarence says "but if I absolutely had to fuck a guy, I'd fuck Elvis".

Year of Living Dangerously Mel? Yeah.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 13, 2014 10:16 AM (A0sHn)

354 It's easy to forget -- because we are built to forget our own sins -- that were a recorder hooked up to each of us every hour of the day, some unpleasantness would be recorded.

*looks at AtC*

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 10:17 AM (GQ8sn)

355 That's because we're all just stealing your stuff and then posting it on the real blog at The Federalist. :-) Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at March 13, 2014 02:15 PM (XkotV) You see this Ace???? Ungrateful bunch of bastards. And after you made them what they are. *headshake*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 10:17 AM (da5Wo)

356 The thing that bothered me about the Jooo hate was that it must have reflected something very deep in his psyche, though usually hidden. I could drink myself into a coma and ----- Damn iPad. I give up.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 13, 2014 10:17 AM (RjEEc)

357 A cynic would point out that Gibson has already filmed Expendables 3, which is in post-production.

A cynic would point out that Lionsgate is distributing and has a strong financial incentive to make sure there is no organized boycott of it due to Gibson appearing in it.

Cause they've already filmed his scenes. The money has already been spent.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 02:10 PM (ZPrif)

And a cynical cynic would point out that starring as the villain in a third sequel (Expendables 3), the villain in another sequel (Machete Kill), and the lead in a very small, little known film like "The Beaver," is what might be called "slumming" if it was done by any other actor who, up until just a few years ago, was commanding A-list salaries and winning prestigious industry awards.

There's a difference between working, and working to the level at which you have proven to excel.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 10:17 AM (4df7R)

358 Iran lied to obama on Syria Iran lied to obama on weapons to Hamas But obama thinks Iran is telling him the truth on Nukes? And that prick is my boss? Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 10:17 AM (t3UFN)

359 The fact that a few people can "control" an industry and have veto power over who is or is not allowed to make a living in that industry is a problem in itself. In the case of Hollywood, it means an ideological cartel effectively dictates the narrative that will be given to the general public, whether it bears any relation to reality or not. In the old days, such a concentration of power might be broken up under anti-trust laws. We might want to think about that again.

Posted by: whoever at March 13, 2014 10:18 AM (pjMym)

360 Every time I go to a place that sells devices like this I leave Ace of spades HQ dialed up why not Staples Concord NH

Posted by: Ben Dover at March 13, 2014 10:18 AM (x1kx8)

361 Show Business did the same exact thing to Tiger Woods. The Media destroyed Tiger Woods. And then...what, what did Media do? Media restored Tiger Woods' image, and they restored it quickly. Why? Well, i) because they can, and ii) because this is the Bullshit that makes this stupid world go 'round.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 13, 2014 10:18 AM (IW1TI)

362 @326 I lived through the Great Latin Wars. Priests were permanently removed from pastoral work for performing clandestine Latin mass.

Over the course of a generation, archbishops got reined in somewhat. But it was war, it was filthy, and they went right for the throat.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 13, 2014 10:18 AM (xq1UY)

363 One of the things that annoys me the most about the BanBossy bullshit is that it's dishonest. "Bossy" isn't the word they really want to ban. It's not the word they have a problem with. It's "Bitch". They don't like being called a bitch. There's an easy way to solve it beyond being a fucking grownup and not letting people who name call affect you. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 02:08 PM (da5Wo)

Beyonce was perfectly fine with using the B word in a recent song of hers, yet Bossy is somehow beyond the pale? Girl please. But maybe it's like the N word; if you're black N word is fine, if you're female the B word is fine. So many rules...

Posted by: LizLem at March 13, 2014 10:18 AM (BF+2f)

364

I have, more times than I can count, posted stuff that I thought was really terrific in the comments and not receive even a single response to it.

I always get that puppy with the head-cocked look when it happens.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 02:12 PM (DmNpO)

--------------------------------------------

I depends on whether you're pounding the keyboard or using soft finger finesse. We can tell.

Posted by: Soona at March 13, 2014 10:18 AM (Wz9US)

365 Different people react to alcohol differently. Different genes mean your biochemistry is not the same as mine. A certain % of Finns have a genetic variant that makes them prone to extreme behaviors when drinking. Those that have that gene variant have much higher suicide rates than other Finns and generally behave in all sorts of terrible ways when drunk, compared to the average Finn. Generalize from how you process alcohol is like saying peanut allergies are bullshit cause you've eaten peanuts all the time and are fine. Or that lactose intolerance is bullshit cause you drink milk all the time. In Vino Vertias is bullshit. It's an old wives tale from the Dark Ages when we used leeches.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 10:19 AM (ZPrif)

366 Nevergiveup, and Russia doesn't have enough tools to screw with the Ukraine much or i'm sure Poland ...
Kerry_

so . whattameworry?

Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 10:19 AM (nqBYe)

367
His real crime from the hollywood standpoint is making the Passion of the Christ.

and The Patriot.

2 things hollywood hates.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 13, 2014 10:20 AM (gorVZ)

368 But... one must also keep in mind that only SOME people have their very worst moments recorded.

Posted by: ace at March 13, 2014 02:13 PM (/FnUH)

Excellent point. And I am tending toward your point of view about Gibson.

But...I am also reminded that he is an actor, and a good one, and from all accounts an intelligent and perceptive man, so this cultivation of a journalist may be calculated.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 13, 2014 10:20 AM (QFxY5)

369 I'm calling it now. Mel Gibson in season 2 of True Detective. Nope. Apparently, season two is some grrl power dealio with two tough women somehow investigating the supernatural connections?/origins? of the American railroad system. No, that is not a joke. But, no hot monkey sex so it's got that working for it.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 13, 2014 10:20 AM (0cMkb)

370 353 It's easy to forget -- because we are built to forget our own sins -- that were a recorder hooked up to each of us every hour of the day, some unpleasantness would be recorded. - You can say that again.

Posted by: NSA at March 13, 2014 10:20 AM (ZenZ0)

371 Do you see who's in the middle of all this bullshit? It's You, the average shmoe. You are the one on this stupid roller coaster ride who ends caring about things that have Absolutely Nothing To Do With You Or Your Life.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 13, 2014 10:21 AM (IW1TI)

372 No, that is not a joke.

Really?

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 10:21 AM (GQ8sn)

373 Sex has taboos?

The only taboo about sex is to hold taboos about sex.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 13, 2014 10:21 AM (AymDN)

374 my only criticism of pprun.org is that they are, understandably hyper sensitive about the suggestion of pilot error. maybe not so much pilot error as pilot stupidity. anyone suggesting pilot stupidity, like letting a couple of floosies into the cockpit is a bad idea or sign of bad practices and not simply a one-off event, is smacked around hard.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 10:21 AM (rDidD)

375 BanBossy is battlefield preparation so they can shame everyone into not calling Hillary a bitch when she runs, and attack and destroy anyone who does.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 10:21 AM (ZPrif)

376 Great Schism (E-W) is the break from the Orthodox in 1054, or the Catholic one in 1378.

Posted by: Beagle at March 13, 2014 10:21 AM (sOtz/)

377 alex,
you need to teach me how to argue coherently..

and hug , and tea.

Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 10:21 AM (nqBYe)

378 Once you go Silverback, you can't go back.

Posted by: Anserman at March 13, 2014 10:22 AM (QupBk)

379 Interesting how Mel Gibson is a Leper Pariah Unclean, while the likes of Sean Penn -- a hateful asshole with a long record of violence of both the verbal and physical varieties is still a supposedly-respectable actor in Hollywood. Fascinating.

Posted by: Stu-22 at March 13, 2014 10:22 AM (KbrNh)

380 That's because we're all just stealing your stuff and then posting it on the real blog at The Federalist. :-) *** LOL! I'm telling Ace!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 10:22 AM (DmNpO)

381 Apparently, season two is some grrl power dealio with two tough women somehow investigating the supernatural connections?/origins? of the American railroad system.

Oh FFS.   I didn't even watch the first season but it sounded neat. Now they have to fuck it up with two women?

MWR <--   generally dislikes   female protagonists

Odds they have to deal with   male   chauvinism hindering their investigation?   High.

Odds that MWR   would rather   staple her own tongue than watch    them deal with male chauvinism hindering their investigation?    Double high.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 10:22 AM (4df7R)

382 341 Okay, distributed Horde knowledge will know this.
What is the weird branch of Catholicism his father's in? Is that the
one that thinks that the current Pope isn't actually the Pope because
the line split back in France when there were two popes or some such?
As you can see, I've got my religious history down cold.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 02:10 PM (VtjlW)

I think his brand of Catholicism rejects the Nicene Creed? That's all I can remember. Very old school.

Posted by: LizLem at March 13, 2014 10:22 AM (BF+2f)

383 361 @326 I lived through the Great Latin Wars. Priests were permanently removed from pastoral work for performing clandestine Latin mass. Over the course of a generation, archbishops got reined in somewhat. But it was war, it was filthy, and they went right for the throat. No. They were removed because they either disobeyed their ordinary or didnt ask permission. And, then went ahead anyway. They werent removed for performing the Mass. They were removed for disobediance. I attend a local EF that has permission of the diocesan bishop.

Posted by: Havildar - Major at March 13, 2014 10:23 AM (kduZC)

384 376 alex, you need to teach me how to argue coherently.. and hug , and tea. Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 02:21 PM (nqBYe) It's almost like she had some kind of schooling or education that focused on defending and attacking points in a theory or argument....

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 10:23 AM (da5Wo)

385 Not a Catholic, but, I think you are referring to the Great Schism and the Avignon Papacy. http://historymedren.about.com/od/thepapacy/p/avignon_papacy.htm Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 13, 2014 02:14 PM (kXoT0) Yes! That's it! Thank you! I mean, that's what I'm thinking of, not that is what Mel's dad is part of. I mean, he could be, idk. Add me to the people who really like Battle Los Angeles precisely because it shows the military in a good light. You have a squad that is completely cut off from any higher ups and what happens? They are brave and strong and, most importantly, smart. Okay, so they're on their own. Fine by them, they'll just figure things out and complete their mission on their own. Hell, I liked that they showed that they were scared and overwhelmed because courage is feeling that and going out there anyway. Seton Hall just took down Villanova.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 10:23 AM (VtjlW)

386 I did go to prune last night but had no idea who had suggested it. Thanks to whoever that was. Not that hey know anything more about this event than anyone else, but they know everything about the plane, systems,procedures, etc. . Very informative.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 10:23 AM (ZshNr)

387 It's easy to forget -- because we are built to forget our own sins -- that were a recorder hooked up to each of us every hour of the day, some unpleasantness would be recorded. *looks at AtC* Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 you mean like why no one uses legal names on the internets?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 10:23 AM (rDidD)

388 297 How come Hollywood gives Hillary fucking Jew Bastard Clinton mucho love? Posted by: Kate and Edith Tuell at March 13, 2014 02:06 PM (ODr92) -------------------------- -First, the remark is not on tape. -Second, calling someone a "f J b" is not really the same as saying something like "Jews call all wars." There's no reason to think that fJb is something special. Had the guy been Irish, she might have called him a "fucking Mick bastard." The "Jews cause all wars" thing is completely different to me. It's Protocols stuff. It reflects a whole serious delusion and Otherization of Jews. -Third, she a leftist so she can't be racist.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 13, 2014 10:23 AM (dfYL9)

389 my only criticism of pprun.org is that they are, understandably hyper sensitive about the suggestion of pilot error. maybe not so much pilot error as pilot stupidity. anyone suggesting pilot stupidity, like letting a couple of floosies into the cockpit is a bad idea or sign of bad practices and not simply a one-off event, is smacked around hard. *** They don't seem too keen on the flying-for-hours theory either. Many are dismissing the WSJ report of engine data.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 10:23 AM (DmNpO)

390 It's almost like she had some kind of schooling or education that focused on defending and attacking points in a theory or argument....

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 02:23 PM (da5Wo)

Wymyn's Studies?

*runs*

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 10:23 AM (GQ8sn)

391 John Schindler ‏@20committee The Kremlin Honey Badger either 1) Is about to no-kidding invade #Ukraine, or 2) wants everyone to think he is. It's ok to get worried now.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 10:24 AM (ZPrif)

392 What's the big deal? We keep that schmuck Gibson out of action movies, and you get a nice Episcopalian boy like Ben Affleck instead. You bitter clingers are IMPOSSIBLE to please!!

Which is why we don't even try. So you'll get remakes of 'Run Silent, Run Deep' where the conflict is about the captain's bigoted hate for his gay second-in-command, instead of some crap about his just trying to get them all killed. You people!

Posted by: Hollywood at March 13, 2014 10:24 AM (DLu2s)

393 Apparently, season two is some grrl power dealio with two tough women somehow investigating the supernatural connections?/origins? of the American railroad system. -------- Uh...... Link?

Posted by: Adam at March 13, 2014 10:24 AM (Aif/5)

394 I re-watched Blackadder yesterday. Still very funny.

Posted by: The Yellow Pug at March 13, 2014 10:24 AM (r7mtu)

395 You are talking the crazy talk.

Posted by: Inspector Javert at March 13, 2014 10:25 AM (oUY4j)

396 I disagree 100%. These types of actions are the tools used by a civil society to keep it a civil society. It is not that his statements were un-PC but his actions are immoral and repugnant to everybody. Do not get me wrong, I liked watching his movies, but I am willing to suffer not seeing any more of them in order to put my foot down on immoral behavior. We all should be, the nation would be better for it.
Imagine a nation where the leftist loving information gobbling google was not visited by people that disagreed with their policy positions and their privacy infringements and fed their money to another company instead?
Imagine a nation where people stopped watching all of NBC, CBS or ABC due to their blatant political biases?
Imagine a nation where people were willing to suffer loss of a luxury in order to uphold moral goods and punish immoral bads?

Mel Gibson is not to be a celebrated person, he is not a good person, and this time out is a good time for him to face his inner demons, it is not like he did not earn tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars to live on.

Posted by: astonerii at March 13, 2014 10:25 AM (0xFeB)

397 Thruway closed between Syracuse NY and Buffalo NY. So?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 10:25 AM (t3UFN)

398 you mean like why no one uses legal names on the internets? Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 02:23 PM (rDidD) Say wut?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 10:25 AM (da5Wo)

399 Look--he's old, he's washed up--it's over for him now anyway.

Posted by: Jane Fonda at March 13, 2014 10:25 AM (RJMhd)

400 BCochran, well sure. I cannot afford to go that route so i depend on instruction and mercy while tooling myself up.

look i can't just go to 11 in 60 seconds . pull hair and slam doors.
although it has worked for me till now, I would like to do better (and win).

Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 10:25 AM (nqBYe)

401 John Schindler ‏@20committee USG hasn't needed good SIGINT access to Russia this badly since, oh, 1983. Really too bad about Ed giving it all away, isn't it? #SnowdenOp

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 10:26 AM (ZPrif)

402 Nice post, Ace. It also instantly brought to mind the little Twitter Witch Hunt of Justine Sacco. Shocker, it was organized by those delightful lefties over at Buzzfeed.

Posted by: GOPPartyReptile at March 13, 2014 10:26 AM (ODMtx)

403 U.S. officials have an "indication" the missing Malaysia Airlines plane may have crashed in the Indian Ocean and is moving the USS Kidd to the area to begin searching, according to ABC News.

Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 10:26 AM (zOTsN)

404 "321 Johnny so you are I know Joel Steins name. He is a prog writer prone to say a lot of trollish things. He makes a living off it. Sadly, I haven't seen him at any of the world domination meetings, an he probably does not know the secret handshake In any event, if Gibson's antisemetic statements are the reason for his banishment, explain how Charlie Sheen or Oliver Stone still find work Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 02:10 PM (zOTsN)" Sheen and Stone have uses for the left. Sheen is also a nutjob, not a threat to even the most paranoid. Gibson OTOH has no uses and does in fact pose a small threat to progressive entertainment hegemony. Not enough to not use his talents as long as he doesn't step over certain lines, but certainly disposable. If Gibson is boycotted for being conservative why wasn't he boycotted before the remarks? Hell, why did his career pick up in the first place? And I don't believe in Jewish world domination, or whatever other paranoid bullshit goes through your head whenever somebody says something bad about your tribe (get it, "tribe"? anti-semitic codeword!!!! the ovens are roaring, run!). These comments are hilarious. I make one comment implying some jews are hypersensitive, thin skinned tribalistic pussies, so a bunch of hypersensitive, thin skinned tribalistic pussies show up to act exactly like hypersensitive, tribalistic thin skinned pussies act.

Posted by: Johnny at March 13, 2014 10:26 AM (WvGsS)

405 I would like to see Paula Deen refute her liberal and Obama support before I would wish her a comeback. Nothing worse than a person who is mugged and defends the mugger.

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at March 13, 2014 10:26 AM (ODr92)

406 Look, I don't intend to forgive and forget the support that Sean Penn and Danny Glover have and are giving to those socialist POS leaders of Venezuela. Real people are dying down there right now (25 so far, at the last count), and it is the leaders' actions that are causing that.

But what exactly does my lack of forgiveness mean? Simply that I will boycott movies in which they appear. And even then, it is only movies that they have made after they pulled their dicktaterhead lovefest moves.

I just checked IMBD, and Glover is covered in work lately (Penn much less so).

They just won't see a dime of my money, and unfortunately, neither will the rest of the cast and crew for that production.

Gibson is a lot easier to forgive imo; in fact I have. I've seen some of his recent stuff.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 13, 2014 10:27 AM (wNF3N)

407 390 John Schindler ‏@20committee The Kremlin Honey Badger either 1) Is about to no-kidding invade #Ukraine, or 2) wants everyone to think he is. It's ok to get worried now. Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 02:24 PM (ZPrif) ********** The Kremlin Honey Badger lmao

Posted by: tasker at March 13, 2014 10:27 AM (RJMhd)

408 366
His real crime from the hollywood standpoint is making the Passion of the Christ. and The Patriot. 2 things hollywood hates. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 13, 2014 02:20 PM (gorVZ)

The Patriot....gah, I miss Heath Ledger's pretty on my screen. So much.

*has a sad*

Posted by: LizLem at March 13, 2014 10:27 AM (BF+2f)

409 U.S. officials have an "indication" the missing Malaysia Airlines plane may have crashed in the Indian Ocean and is moving the USS Kidd to the area to begin searching, according to ABC News. Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 02:26 PM (zOTsN) So like they are sleeping with Bin Laden?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 10:27 AM (t3UFN)

410 Re: True Detectives As much as I enjoyed the 7-hour detective-mystery-kinda-thriller, the series wasn't as important as it portrayed itself. The opening credits, like Games Of Thrones, implied it was very important. It wasn't.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 13, 2014 10:27 AM (IW1TI)

411 regarding bossy I think it was andrea tanwhateverhername is and dana perino were on board with banning bossy, dana more so. aparently people backin wyoming used a call dana a bossy ol' heifer when she was younger or it was used when she was younger so it ought be banned.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 10:28 AM (rDidD)

412 Apparently, season two is some grrl power dealio with two tough women somehow investigating the supernatural connections?/origins? of the American railroad system. -------- Uh...... Link? Posted by: Adam at March 13, 2014 02:24 PM (Aif/5) Here's one: http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3282886/tv-true- detective-season-2-strong-women-and-the-occult/

Posted by: naturalfake at March 13, 2014 10:28 AM (0cMkb)

413 This is what Pizzolatto had to say about season 2: "This is really early, but I'll tell you [it's about] hard women, bad men and the secret occult history of the United States transportation system,".

Posted by: gewa76 at March 13, 2014 10:28 AM (k8m83)

414 I make one comment implying some jews are hypersensitive, thin skinned tribalistic pussies, so a bunch of hypersensitive, thin skinned tribalistic pussies show up to act exactly like hypersensitive, tribalistic thin skinned pussies act. Posted by: Johnny at March 13, 2014 02:26 PM (WvGsS) you have a big mouth for an anonymous little prick

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 10:28 AM (t3UFN)

415 *looks at AtC* Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 02:17 PM (GQ8sn) What! I'm a delicate flower of innocent virtue!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 10:29 AM (VtjlW)

416 [it's about] hard women

But don't call them bossy!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 10:29 AM (4df7R)

417 neo con is also not a codeword.
own hollywood and the banking system. Causes all the wars!

and fk that guy anyway.

Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 10:29 AM (nqBYe)

418 We are all guilty at one time or another of being hateful towards "groups" of people....it's human nature. As we grow older we realize most people suck ass and the few INDIVIDUALS we deal with that are straight up are ok in our book no matter if they are Jews, or black, white, brown or orange. Everyone of you has used words like Jew Bastard, or Koon, or Chink or Honkey but that does not mean your a hateful racist or bigot just human. And the Libtards hate it that you act like a human being and not like some automaton.

Posted by: IrishEd at March 13, 2014 10:30 AM (D0NZx)

419 What! I'm a delicate flower of innocent virtue!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 02:29 PM (VtjlW)

You and MWR apparently.

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 10:30 AM (GQ8sn)

420 Havildar, thank you for illustrating my point about your civil war.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 13, 2014 10:31 AM (xq1UY)

421 so should i steam clean the back bedrooms today or not?
i find myself slamming a lot of doors this morning.

Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 10:31 AM (nqBYe)

422 Seton Hall just took down Villanova.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 02:23 PM (VtjlW)

We knew last night.

Posted by: The Jews at March 13, 2014 10:31 AM (QFxY5)

423 399 BCochran, well sure. I cannot afford to go that route so i depend on instruction and mercy while tooling myself up. although it has worked for me till now, I would like to do better (and win). Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 02:25 PM (nqBYe) Plus it would make you a totally evil hateful ruiner of everything who deserves to be among the first lined up against the wall.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 10:31 AM (da5Wo)

424 They don't seem too keen on the flying-for-hours theory either. Many are dismissing the WSJ report of engine data. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 well it is dominated by pilots and also it is run by limeys so they have their biases. there have been some complaints about the U.S. media coverage, which is appalling. I heard someone on the television earlier today talking about how the engines were made by BA. I think it is reasonable to expect a news anchor to be able to distinguish between the plane and engine manufacturer.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 10:31 AM (rDidD)

425 These comments are hilarious. I make one comment implying some jews are hypersensitive, thin skinned tribalistic pussies, so a bunch of hypersensitive, thin skinned tribalistic pussies show up to act exactly like hypersensitive, tribalistic thin skinned pussies act. Posted by: Johnny wow speaking of thinskinned you mad bro?

Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 10:32 AM (zOTsN)

426 India Has committed more assets so....take that for what it's worth--and they are searching their areas.

Posted by: tasker at March 13, 2014 10:32 AM (RJMhd)

427

There's also the Adam Corolla take:

If someone makes you mad you just blurt out whatever you see about them that's different.

Fat guy pisses you off? "You're fat."

Posted by: eleven at March 13, 2014 10:32 AM (fsLdt)

428 Gibson not only made Passion - he went against the Hollywood Unions while making said film, and we know who controls them. The target was on his back well before the drunken rant. Plus it made a ton of money that Hollywood Unions didn't get.

Posted by: Odie1941 at March 13, 2014 10:33 AM (iS2i7)

429 The basis for believing Gibson to be anti-Semitic is based on The Passion of the Christ. His angry drunk rant confirmed this suspicion for the movie industry people who panned his movie. He wrote the screenplay using the writings of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich who had visions of the suffering and passion of Jesus Christ. The language she uses in her writings to desribe the Jewish people have been viewed by some as anti-Semitic. That's where the anti-Semitc accusation started. That coupled with the crank rantings of his trouble father started all the accusations. If his movie had been a flop, the controversy would have died.

Posted by: L, elle at March 13, 2014 10:33 AM (0xqKe)

430 Hair lip! Hair lip!

Posted by: Just the Punchline at March 13, 2014 10:34 AM (QupBk)

431 >>Odds they have to deal with male chauvinism hindering their investigation? High.
Odds that MWR would rather staple her own tongue than watch them deal with male chauvinism hindering their investigation? Double high.

On rare occasions the crime drama can make the obligatory 'unique trouble with being female cop' stuff bearable.

Posted by: DCI Jane Tennison at March 13, 2014 10:34 AM (aq/zi)

432

so should i steam clean the back bedrooms today or not?
i find myself slamming a lot of doors this morning

My theory is why do today what you can put off til tomorrow?

It doesn't work very well but I roll with it.

Posted by: eleven at March 13, 2014 10:34 AM (fsLdt)

433 speaking of thinskinned you mad bro? Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 02:32 PM (zOTsN) I am sure some of his best friends are Jewish also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 13, 2014 10:34 AM (t3UFN)

434 OK. THAT was a lot of words.

Posted by: irright at March 13, 2014 10:34 AM (pMGkg)

435 So the Indian Ocean theory posits hundreds of miles of post-transponder-cutoff travel and a course change, what does that most indicate?

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 10:34 AM (ZshNr)

436 Pizollatto also walked back his statements about featuring female leads, claiming he didn't want outside pressure to determine how he writes his story.

Posted by: gewa76 at March 13, 2014 10:35 AM (k8m83)

437 Gibson is all old and stuff--can we talk about something younger?

Posted by: Ezra Klein at March 13, 2014 10:35 AM (RJMhd)

438 Tolerance,
Because you can't put roller bearings everywhere.

Now to read the rest.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 13, 2014 10:35 AM (DL2i+)

439 Gibson not only made Passion - he went against the Hollywood Unions while making said film, and we know who controls them.

How did he film without union labour? And all the post-filming work done without unions too?

That's quite a trick.

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 10:35 AM (GQ8sn)

440 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 02:10 PM (VtjlW) His dad is a believer in sedevacantism. Sede vacante means "the chair is empty." The most common form of that you see in modernity, and which Gibson's dad seems to believe in, is that Vatican II was a heretical council and that Pope Paul VI (or possibly his predecessor Pope John XXIII) and every pope since him are anti-popes. There may be some of those folks who think the anti-popes started earlier. I've heard some say after Pius X died the anti-pope reigns began.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at March 13, 2014 10:35 AM (qFpRI)

441 So the Indian Ocean theory posits hundreds of miles of post-transponder-cutoff travel and a course change, what does that most indicate? That the Persian Gulf was too far?

Posted by: toby928© at March 13, 2014 10:35 AM (QupBk)

442 used words like Jew Bastard, or Koon, or Chink or Honkey. Actually I don't use words like that. The closest I can was when I thought "You black SOB" when some AA teen tried to drive me off the road and into the river me and kept giving me the finger as he drove on by. I'm not very fond of leftists at the moment, however.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 13, 2014 10:36 AM (XyM/Y)

443 434 So the Indian Ocean theory posits hundreds of miles of post-transponder-cutoff travel and a course change, what does that most indicate? Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 02:34 PM (ZshNr) ************** Something that redditt will down tick your ass for--that's for sure.

Posted by: Ezra Klein at March 13, 2014 10:36 AM (RJMhd)

444

neo con is also not a codeword.

Is it a dog whistle?

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 13, 2014 10:36 AM (A0sHn)

445 I'm a Mel Gibson fan and I think his boycott should be ended. I don't think tolerance is a virtue. Tolerance of evil is a vice. Forgiveness is a virtue. If someone repents and is trying to change, I'm all for giving them the benefit of a doubt and then some. my $.02

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at March 13, 2014 10:37 AM (1oAXo)

446 I am really hoping they figure out what is happening with that effin plane, it is driving me up a wall. Having a plane go missing in that region with the special mix of incompetence and maliciousness shared by the local players makes it really interesting.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 10:37 AM (rDidD)

447 Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 13, 2014 02:36 PM (A0sHn) I will pay you eight dollars in silver for your hash.

Posted by: toby928© at March 13, 2014 10:37 AM (QupBk)

448 You know when I will get on board with #BANBOSSY. K, here it is, right after Beyonce denounces the use of filthy lyrics in HipHop/Rap music that glorifies the rape and abuse of women--her lyrics and those in JayZee's stable-o-scum. That includes lyrics in her songs. Right after, all the womyn's studies majors give up their schizophrenia on sexual objectification of women--a talking vayjay is good, while a woman enjoying sex with a male who gasp inserts his penis in her talking vajajay is evil. And so on and so forth.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 13, 2014 10:37 AM (kXoT0)

449 Remember when Marlon Brando said that Hollywood was controlled by the Joos. He was blackballed until he apologized to a group of rabbis.

Which proves what ?

Posted by: Obama For Suckers at March 13, 2014 10:37 AM (e8kgV)

450 alex, you need to teach me how to argue coherently.. and hug , and tea. Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 02:21 PM (nqBYe) *sips* Thank you, willow alexthechick's School for Argumentation and Proper Deportment. First, it is essential when setting forth an intelligible and articulate argument that you use fuck as many times as possible. Need a comma? There's a fuck for that! Need to drive home the centrality of a statement to your position? Fuckity McFuckerson. Want to insure that your audience is aware of the nuances to your view? Fuck that shit. Second, you must be able to appreciate that nuances of the position which you are disputing. A well placed well bless your heart should suffice.
Third, when all else fails, reference boobehs. The importance of this step cannot be overstated.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 10:38 AM (VtjlW)

451 442 434 So the Indian Ocean theory posits hundreds of miles of post-transponder-cutoff travel and a course change, what does that most indicate?
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 02:34 PM (ZshNr)

At pprune.org the speculation is that there was some kind of catastrophic decompression and that pilots were in the process of turning around when they lost consciousness.

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 13, 2014 10:38 AM (XkotV)

452 Third, when all else fails, ~~reference~~ show boobehs. The importance of this step cannot be overstated.

Fixed.

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 10:39 AM (GQ8sn)

453 I will pay you eight dollars in silver for your hash.

Posted by: toby928Â© at March 13, 2014 02:37 PM (QupBk)

I know! how did He get that?

Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 10:39 AM (nqBYe)

454 A Payne Stewart scenario is a possibility I've seen at Pprun. But on a plane so large and with redundant systems it doesn't seem likely, according to the guys who were talking about it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 10:40 AM (ZshNr)

455 I believe that, it makes sense. So then the plane flew until it ran out of gas?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 13, 2014 10:40 AM (RZ8pf)

456 #441 The closest I can was when I thought "You black SOB" when some AA teen tried to drive me off the road and into the river me and kept giving me the finger as he drove on by. I let loose some choice words a few years back when I got rear-ended at a red light in the ghetto, by a car filled with, er...inner city thugs, then had a gun waved at me out the window as they tore around me and shot off down a side street. Probably a stolen vehicle. Last laugh was on me though if it wasn't. My pickup barely had a scratch, their front end was totaled. In the ghettoooooo.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 10:40 AM (7ObY1)

457 At pprune.org the speculation is that there was some kind of catastrophic decompression and that pilots were in the process of turning around when they lost consciousness. I thought of that possibility, like the Payne Stewart crash. Still doesn't explain turning off the transponder.

Posted by: gewa76 at March 13, 2014 10:40 AM (k8m83)

458 On rare occasions the crime drama can make the obligatory 'unique trouble with being female cop' stuff bearable.

Posted by: DCI Jane Tennison at March 13, 2014 02:34 PM (aq/zi)

Ah, you don't count, though, because you're British. British crime dramas tend to be slightly less aggravating when it comes to female characters than American ones. Of course British crime dramas also tend to be slow as hell with dozens of people who all look the same and who are all named "Thomas" or "Jane," so it can be a bit hard to keep track of what's happening.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 10:40 AM (4df7R)

459 Driver in SXSW "accident" identified as Rashad Charjuan Owens, 21. Ft Hood officials say car was reported stolen in Killeen. Per kxan and kvue.

Posted by: Nylon66 at March 13, 2014 10:40 AM (omhhK)

460 I heard another news commenter, an anchor who was looking at a map with the 2500 mi radius centered on malayasia or the planes lkp say "it may even be in africa." sigh.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 10:40 AM (rDidD)

461 Okay, distributed Horde knowledge will know this. What is the weird branch of Catholicism his father's in? Is that the one that thinks that the current Pope isn't actually the Pope because the line split back in France when there were two popes or some such? As you can see, I've got my religious history down cold. Posted by: alexthechick They are known as SSPV or Society of St. Pius the fifth types. That is a pretty big tell. I know one or two. Most are old school faithful. The real hardcore ones are fucking wackos that subscribe to the New world order shit. The strange part, and this may pertain to Mel as well, is in talking to one or two of them they say all this batshit crazy stuff like Holocaust denial nonsense but they do not say it like an Aryan Brotherhood type. I wish I could say it better but it is hate without the malice. Doesn't make it right of course.

Posted by: Mac at March 13, 2014 10:40 AM (0J18b)

462 well it is dominated by pilots and also it is run by limeys so they have their biases. there have been some complaints about the U.S. media coverage, which is appalling. I heard someone on the television earlier today talking about how the engines were made by BA. I think it is reasonable to expect a news anchor to be able to distinguish between the plane and engine manufacturer. *** hehehhe You used "reasonable" and "news anchor" in the same sentence.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 10:41 AM (DmNpO)

463 Mart, I think I read a different part of the same convo. Those threads are huge.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 13, 2014 10:41 AM (ZshNr)

464 First, it is essential when setting forth an intelligible and articulate argument that you use fuck as many times as possible.

I fucking second this most forcefully. Fuck yes.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 10:41 AM (4df7R)

465 alex well i have expanded my horizons to include a randon fk, AND i've included dick or eat a dick.

but somehow i still feel a sense of shame that perhaps while using distateful expletives i have forgotten the main point of my argument .

so slam doors it is!

Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 10:41 AM (nqBYe)

466 Just cancelled a 3 o'clock meeting 'cause my gluttonous ass can't move due to jerk chicken overload. uggggghhhhh.

Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 10:42 AM (fWAjv)

467 Speaking of reasonable journalists... Sharyl Attkisson is writing a book. The working title: Stonewalled: One Reporter's Fight for Truth in Obama's Washington you can pre-order at Amazon (I did)

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 10:43 AM (DmNpO)

468 my personal theory, which I am not sharing wildly at this time, is that the plane was involved in collision with the shi lang, which is why the chinese knew where the wreckage was.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 10:43 AM (rDidD)

469 fgs, that comment had every fkn thing wrong with it.

Slams Door.
i can't hear you!

Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 10:43 AM (nqBYe)

470 but somehow i still feel a sense of shame that perhaps while using distateful expletives i have forgotten the main point of my argument .

Doesn't matter. As soon as you start to make logical sense, people stop paying attention. It's all about dropping the f-bombs, hard and fast.

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 10:43 AM (GQ8sn)

471 but somehow i still feel a sense of shame that perhaps while using distateful expletives i have forgotten the main point of my argument . Posted by: willow at March 13, 2014 02:41 PM (nqBYe)

Wha? You still think a main point for an argument is required here?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 13, 2014 10:43 AM (kXoT0)

472 my personal theory, which I am not sharing wildly at this time, is that the plane was involved in collision with the shi lang

The what?

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 10:44 AM (GQ8sn)

473 First, it is essential when setting forth an intelligible and articulate argument that you use fuck as many times as possible. Need a comma? There's a fuck for that! Need to drive home the centrality of a statement to your position? Fuckity McFuckerson. Want to insure that your audience is aware of the nuances to your view? Fuck that shit. Second, you must be able to appreciate that nuances of the position which you are disputing. A well placed well bless your heart should suffice. Third, when all else fails, reference boobehs. The importance of this step cannot be overstated. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 02:38 PM (VtjlW) Fixed

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 13, 2014 10:44 AM (da5Wo)

474 20 I think Gibson's bigger crime was to show that he's not "one of us" by being religious and for letting his religious faith motivate him to make a movie about Jesus Christ. If he was "one of us", i.e., an amoral true believer in global warming, Marxism, and every other leftist position, Hollywood would have forgiven him long ago. Posted by: biancaneve at March 13, 2014 01:15 PM

This and once you are religious you cannot commit sin. I bet if Woody Allen was religious he would not have been forgiven his sins. Secular culture holds religious individuals to unrealistic high standards. They expect you to be without sin from here on out.

Posted by: Frank at March 13, 2014 10:44 AM (7Nabg)

475

I fucking second this most forcefully. Fuck yes.

Also known as the Dexter's Sister move.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 13, 2014 10:44 AM (A0sHn)

476 465 Just cancelled a 3 o'clock meeting 'cause my gluttonous ass can't move due to jerk chicken overload. Man, I SO want jerk chicken right now!

Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 10:44 AM (7ObY1)

477

Ace wrote, "But at what point do those who go out hunting monsters become monsters themselves?"

I've never bought into the logic of that argument, at least not when the 'monsters' under discussion are real monsters like, for example, genocidal war criminals such as SS death camp guards and so on. I don't classify Hollywood people like Mel Gibson or Alec Baldwin as monsters when they say stupid and sometimes even evil, terrible, cringe-worthy things. They're not monsters. They're entitled idiots with issues.

But the ones who actually do monstrous things even on a smaller scale than your typical 90-year-old SS guard hiding out in Argentina or Paraguay, such as rapist/pedophile Roman Polanski? Given the chance I'd hunt him with hounds. Doing so would not reduce me to his level.

So in my view, the answer is at no point do those hunting monsters become monsters themselves if by 'monster' you are not engaging in hyperbole and mean someone who does something truly monstrous.

Posted by: troyriser at March 13, 2014 10:45 AM (V9ol4)

478 Noah Rothman ‏@NoahCRothman Ron Paul asserts the West overthrew Yanukovich and Putin has "law on his side" in invasion of Crimea. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ron-paul-putin-has-law-on-his-side-with-crimean-invasion/ Â…

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 10:45 AM (ZPrif)

479 419 Havildar, thank you for illustrating my point about your civil war. Hardly. Do you know what Non servium means? And, who said it? Â”Saint Paul commands us to obey all superiors, even those who are bad. Our Blessed Saviour, His Virgin Mother, and Saint Joseph have taught us this kind of obedience in the journey they took from Nazareth to Bethlehem, when Caesar published an edict that his subjects should repair to the place of their nativity to be enrolled. They complied with this order with the most affectionate obedience, though the Emperor was a pagan and an idolator, so desirous was Our Lord of showing us that we should never regard the persons of those who command, provided they be invested with sufficient authority.Â” --Saint Francis of Sales, Doctor of the Church

Posted by: Havildar - Major at March 13, 2014 10:45 AM (kduZC)

480 Late to the party, but I don't think Mel is guilty so much of being anti-semitic or whatever-phobic. I think he's guilty of being a general asshole who goes for whatever stick is at hand to humiliate his target. So just like 99% of the other power players in Hollywood.

Posted by: Joe at March 13, 2014 10:45 AM (QFnhZ)

481 John Copella ‏@jcopella 1m @mflynny !!: NPR interview w/WSJ reporter re: engine data & continuing flight http://t.co/joCy6ZFxtL

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 10:45 AM (DmNpO)

482 The what? Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 02:44 PM (GQ8sn) Aircraft carrier.

Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 10:45 AM (fWAjv)

483 The what? It's a Chinese aircraft carrier. The piece of junk.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 13, 2014 10:45 AM (7ObY1)

484 I thought of that possibility, like the Payne Stewart crash. Still doesn't explain turning off the transponder.

Posted by: gewa76 at March 13, 2014 02:40 PM (k8m83)

Some of the pilots were suggesting that as part of the handling decompression procedure they would have moved the transponder to standby before changing the setting (altitude?) and might have passed out while in the middle of this.

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 13, 2014 10:46 AM (XkotV)

485 It's all about dropping the f-bombs, hard and fast. Fucking straight that.

Posted by: toby928© at March 13, 2014 10:46 AM (QupBk)

486 If Putin wants to get the Soviet Union back together it's none of our business.

Posted by: Luap Nor at March 13, 2014 10:46 AM (Aif/5)

487 I think it was shot down by someone by accident and there is a coverup afoot

Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 10:46 AM (zOTsN)

488

I'd like Hollywood to quit blacklisting, and I would like to see Mel Gibson movies. There's few that he has done that I haven't enjoyed. But Ace, you would say this of anyone?

Ok, Challenge Ace... Would you make the same arguments for Jane Fonda?

I wouldn't, but if I did, I would argue to not be judgemental. But not taking away her livelihood by government action is not the same as a personal decision not to give any money to any enterprise that would enrich her. In the latter, I'll make that judgement.

Posted by: Leland at March 13, 2014 10:47 AM (1hLHC)

489 my personal theory, which I am not sharing wildly at this time, is that the plane was involved in collision with the shi lang The what? Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 shi lang, former hotel, former varyag - chinese aircraft carrier / U.S. Navy SINKEX target.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 10:47 AM (rDidD)

490 I heard another news commenter, an anchor who was looking at a map with the 2500 mi radius centered on malayasia or the planes lkp say "it may even be in africa." sigh.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 02:40 PM (rDidD)

You expect better? These are the same people who thought Vermont was NH and put Hong Kong in South America.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 13, 2014 10:48 AM (4df7R)

491 So the plane was involved in a collision with one of the Shi Lang's aircraft?

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 10:48 AM (GQ8sn)

492 Oh joy... An independent commission led by a former U.S. surgeon general has concluded there Â“is no compelling medical reasonÂ” for the U.S. armed forces to prohibit transgender Americans from serving and that President Barack Obama could lift the decades-old ban without approval from Congress, according to a report being released Thursday.

Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 10:48 AM (fWAjv)

493 An independent commission led by a former U.S. surgeon general has concluded there Â“is no compelling medical reasonÂ” for the U.S. armed forces to prohibit transgender Americans from serving and that President Barack Obama could lift the decades-old ban without approval from Congress, according to a report being released Thursday.

But what about a 'military reason'?

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 10:49 AM (GQ8sn)

494 If in fact, the lost plain continued to fly for hours, I've learned something about the radar coverage in that part of the world. It's slim.

Posted by: toby928© at March 13, 2014 10:49 AM (QupBk)

495

Ace, you bet, hope you're back to 100%.

OT kind of: There's a fantastic piece about Mamet at the Federalist that you might want to link to. It really says a lot and I love to get the thoughts of someone so talented. Just an fyi.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 13, 2014 10:49 AM (tVTLU)

496 490 So the plane was involved in a collision with one of the Shi Lang's aircraft? Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 02:48 PM (GQ8sn) With the way asians drive it may have been the carrier itself.

Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 10:49 AM (fWAjv)

497 More nood jew hatin'

Posted by: flounder at March 13, 2014 10:49 AM (Kkt/i)

498 high suicide rate among transgenders - no problem I suppose the DoD is now supposed to pay for sex reassignment surgery too

Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 10:50 AM (zOTsN)

499 But what about a 'military reason'? Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 02:49 PM (GQ8sn) What does 'military reason' have to do with the Armed Forces???

Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 10:50 AM (fWAjv)

500 i found pprunes discussion of decompression effects and high altitude exposure really interesting. I had assumed it would be manageable with their masks donned, apparently not so much.even with masks pilots would have only had a few seconds before passing out from lack of oxygen.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 10:50 AM (rDidD)

501 Ukraine did overthrow a legitimately elected government even with an offer to hold earlier elections. I don't like the inconsistency of our positions though I understand it.

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at March 13, 2014 10:51 AM (ODr92)

502 you mean the Shi Langoliers?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 13, 2014 10:51 AM (IW1TI)

503 Ok, Challenge Ace... Would you make the same arguments for Jane Fonda?
I wouldn't, but if I did, I would argue to not be judgemental. But not taking away her livelihood by government action is not the same as a personal decision not to give any money to any enterprise that would enrich her. In the latter, I'll make that judgement.

Posted by: Leland at March 13, 2014 02:47 PM (1hLHC)

He asked for forgiveness and made amends. She made some weaselly remarks that what she did was perfectly understandable and in line with current protests against the war and has not made any amends to my knowledge. Ratting out a visibly suffering prisoner undergoing constant torture who asked for her help = carrying a protest sign in a march. No facking way, no how..

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 13, 2014 10:52 AM (kXoT0)

504 I suppose the DoD is now supposed to pay for sex reassignment surgery too Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2014 02:50 PM (zOTsN) Yep. The ban also appears based on the assumption that providing hormone treatment and sex reassignment surgeries would be too difficult, disruptive and expensive. But the commission rejected those notions as inconsistent with modern medical practice and the scope of health care services routinely provided to non-transgender military personnel.

Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 10:52 AM (fWAjv)

505 If in fact, the lost plain continued to fly for hours, I've learned something about the radar coverage in that part of the world. It's slim. *** This from that aviation forum: What kind of radar tracking capability would Myanmar have, would it be possible to sneak up through their airspace? Having flown in Burmese airspace on quite a few occasions (in a B777), (both East-West and North-South) in virtual radio blackout for an hour or more, I'd say it would be possible to take half the commercial airline fleet of western Europe in line abreast through that area without anyone being the wiser. And mods, that is not meant to be flippant. Any pilot who has flown over those routes would agree with my sentiments, if perhaps not my overstatement.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 13, 2014 10:52 AM (DmNpO)

506 490 So the plane was involved in a collision with one of the Shi Lang's aircraft? Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 02:48 PM (GQ8sn) With the way asians drive it may have been the carrier itself. Posted by: RWC at March 13, 2014 RWC has it right, I was thinking it was a collision with the carrier itself, asian drivers and all. lotta work for a bad joke.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 10:52 AM (rDidD)

507 nood, if youre unawares

Posted by: soothsayer at March 13, 2014 10:52 AM (IW1TI)

508 Thank you to everyone who answered about Mel's father's sect. Off shoot branches like that are fascinating. MWR, if it weren't for the fact that I think it's rude to wear clothing with expletives on it in public, we should wear this to the NoVaMoMee: http://bit.ly/1ewBY4y

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 13, 2014 10:54 AM (VtjlW)

509 Speaking of kooky dudes ... John Schindler ‏@20committee Of course / MT @NoahCRothman Ron Paul says West overthrew Yanukovich, Putin has "law on his side" invading of Crimea. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ron-paul-putin-has-law-on-his-side-with-crimean-invasion/

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 13, 2014 10:54 AM (ZPrif)

510 With the way asians drive it may have been the carrier itself.

What? You mean those pilots were drifting?!?!

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 10:55 AM (GQ8sn)

511 yeah, it was also interesting to hear pprune discussion of radar coverage in the area as well as the relative capabilities of military radars in the region. apparently that Australian jindalee radar is someting especially special.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 13, 2014 10:56 AM (rDidD)

512 MWR, if it weren't for the fact that I think it's rude to wear clothing with expletives on it in public, we should wear this to the NoVaMoMee

There might be a FB group about that.

Posted by: EC at March 13, 2014 10:56 AM (GQ8sn)

513 Here's a primer for season 2 of True Detective: http://xavianthaze.blogspot.com/2013/07/occult-sound-systems-crowley-jack.html

Posted by: gewa76 at March 13, 2014 10:58 AM (k8m83)

514 Posted by: ploome at March 13, 2014 02:05 PM (S/ToX) Ploome!!!!!!! How are you, my sweet friend?

Posted by: grammie winger at March 13, 2014 10:59 AM (oMKp3)

515 I haven't flown in years but I am pretty sure that I would not be fucking with my transponder whilst in extremis. Could be that you have to go to standby now but back in the day to squawk 7700 or transmit the emergency signal all you had to do was slam a switch forward. any change from that seems like a step back

Posted by: Mac at March 13, 2014 11:01 AM (0J18b)

516 Most humble apologies to our great Ace, but will you please let me know just exactly when tolerance became a virtue? Really? Tolerance of Muslim mutilation of women is a virtue? Oh, and please don't tell me that it's all in your perspective. That just won't hold water. Virtue is one of the Biblical aspects of Holiness. It is applied to men without sin, without fault, who strive to do what is right in all areas. The Apostle Peter (2 Peter 1) tells us to 'add to your Holiness, virtue, knowledge...." Oh, sorry, but also, when did it 'a penalty to be paid for making un-PC remarks' hit the scene. Ace, if you're still lurking in your blog, you are one of the most un-pc folks it is my great pleasure to sorta get to know. There is a penalty to be imposed for ugly remarks, but don't let the pc police set the agenda.

Posted by: TimothyJ at March 13, 2014 11:11 AM (ep2io)

517 >>> Most humble apologies to our great Ace, but will you please let me know just exactly when tolerance became a virtue? Really? I believe Jesus said something to the effect of "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Posted by: ace at March 13, 2014 11:13 AM (/FnUH)

518 While I agree with the general premise of Ace's, feeling contempt for the overreactive blacklisting system that dooms Gibson to failure and elevates Polanski to Worthy Cause...having listened to the calls, the audio from his Costa Rica place, and Joe Eszterhas's letter...Gibson is a very sick man who needs help.

Posted by: YourPoopyPants at March 13, 2014 11:16 AM (Y/HG5)

519 >>> Most humble apologies to our great Ace, but will you please let me know just exactly when tolerance became a virtue? Really?

When the First Amendment was added to the Constitution?

Posted by: YourPoopyPants at March 13, 2014 11:17 AM (Y/HG5)

520 Ploomie - In case you're still reading, have a happy Purim! Love you.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 13, 2014 11:20 AM (oMKp3)

521

"The Rule against anti-semitic remarks (or homophobic remarks, or misogynistic remarks, or racist remarks) "

AntiSemitic stuff is a source of pride if you belong to a specific political category, it is fine to be antisemitic even if you are a jew yourself (see soro) and you are perfectly aware that there is no rule against the other two if you are a leftist. It is evidence that it is entirely manifactured outrage.

How many points with leftists do you think you are gaining for such posts? You avoid the only argument that counts about this matter, power and control, the left successfully controls the narrative and the punishment for disobedience (how much flogging you receive for saying fagg0t). We conservatives do not do that when it comes down to protect our own. When was the last time you defended a believer against slandering like 'redneck', 'southerner', 'bible thumper' etc? Or the slandering thrown at people in favour of restricting abortion? Yeah exactly.

Posted by: fromabroad at March 13, 2014 11:21 AM (l1MEg)

522

I wasn't surprised to learn that Gibson had anti-semitic sentiments. After the viciousness he was subjected to about The Passion it would surprise me if he had been able to maintain his balance. I was shocked by the acusations that he was deliberately inflaming Christians into bringing on a new holocaust. I don't think he gav e out anti-semitic vibes before the Passion.

Posted by: Ticklebee at March 13, 2014 11:35 AM (FVtBM)

523 It might be lack of box office draw rather than blacklisting affecting him. Fwiw, I hope the letter helped. The fact that much of Gibson's amends were made quietly and sincerely rather than a pr apology blitz on the talk show circuit probably didn't rehab his image with audiences either.

I've always liked him and enjoyed his movies. Clearly he has his demons, but I tended to believe the friends (including his Jewish agent) who spoke up for him. I knew someone who had his own baggage and when angry would try to push people's buttons with whatever slur came to mind, but was the farthest thing from a bigot.

I used to think he had a face that was God's gift to women back in the day, but the smoking hasn't done him any favors. I wish he would/could direct again. The same tension and intensity that fuels his creativity blew up in his personal life, but I think he seems to be a good person at heart. It's our loss if Hollywood refuses to work with him.

Posted by: venus velvet at March 13, 2014 11:35 AM (ex3i5)

524 "Mel Gibson is terrible and should pay a penalty for the rest of his life. But Roman Polanski is a genius and should be forgiven and encouraged."

--Hollywood.

Posted by: Null at March 13, 2014 11:41 AM (P7hip)

525 I don't care if Gibson hates a person or a group. But he's definitely got to get off the sauce. That's his biggest problem.

Posted by: gp at March 13, 2014 11:47 AM (mk9aG)

526 One thing that I give Gibson credit for is that when he came out and apologized, it wasn't one of those "sorry if someone was offended" pieces of crap. It appeared heartfelt and was completely "I have no excuse for the bullshit that I said".

After Gibson's rant, I mentioned to someone how hard it can be to escape your past (Gibson's father). My grandmother was a fine woman, but she had a pretty racist attitude towards blacks. I don't remember my grandfather, but apparently he was even worse in that regard. I know that that's not the person my mom wants to be, but I also know that she has struggled with it from time to time in her life, especially when she's in her cups.

Oh, and let's be clear: if Mel were a reliable lefty, this wouldn't even be an issue.

Posted by: physics geek at March 13, 2014 11:47 AM (MT22W)

527

@502 Good points, and I want to reiterate, I don't forgive her including for the reason that she has not asked for it. The interesting thing is Hollywood was quick to forgive her, and I think most of us here would argue her actions were far worse than Gibsons.

A free market though allows both buyers and sellers to decide. I don't think a third person should interfere with a willing buyer and seller to transact, if the intent is a free market (there are some markets I don't want free, for extreme example, trade of nuclear weapons). I think the movie industry should be free, and for that reason, I'm ok if Fonda isn't black listed. But again, I won't give a dime to her on someone that would hire her. That's all a secular argument. The biblical argument for foregiveness and judgement is another thing; but I suspect if I don't take her life; then I'm probably on reasonable solid ground with my other interactions (or primarily lack there of) related to her.

Posted by: Leland at March 13, 2014 11:53 AM (1hLHC)

528 I believe Jesus said something to the effect of "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." He also followed up with "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you,"Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin." Jn 8:11 Forgivenss has to follow repentance and a firm amendment to change and no longer sin. Tolerance is not a virtue. This is so because universal tolerance means the acceptance (and therefore tacit approval) of all behaviors, irrespective of their impact on the common good and on human flourishing.

Posted by: Havildar - Major at March 13, 2014 12:06 PM (kduZC)

529 @ 524 - The sauce + his manic depression/ bi-polar issues (are his biggest problems.)

Posted by: venus velvet at March 13, 2014 12:46 PM (g94P/)

530 Late to the game as usual , nice post , big feller .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 13, 2014 01:07 PM (XWw96)

531 No one will ever forgive Mel Gibson in Hollywood for his Jesus movie put out in the 2004 elections. Never. No mind that what he said and how he acts is not exactly unique or stands out in any way in the community. Never mind that people do and get away with far worse without a video being "leaked" out to a greedily willing press to publicize. He defied them and did something they believe helped not just a Republican, and not just a president, but the most hated Republican President of our times. No forgiveness for Mel, not now, not ever.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 13, 2014 01:19 PM (zfY+H)

532 527. "Forgivenss has to follow repentance and a firm amendment to change and no longer sin. Tolerance is not a virtue." Havildar, No matter how obedient you are to all God's Laws, you remain guilty of being human, of not quite being perfect (St. James and Paul). Guilty of only one minor infraction is still guilty. Take Jesus' word on being judgmental and self righteous, "Judge not, lest ye be judged. For you will be judged in the same manner that you judge." Lord's Prayer "and forgive us our trespasses AS WE FORGIVE those who trespass against us" Being crucified, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." If ever someone wasn't in his right mind, being in a drunken stupor escalated into a rage qualifies. What, you only "need" Jesus' atonement a little bit, so you "deserve" forgiveness. Whereas Mel Gibson? Well, YOU try harder than he. God better love you more. pfft Matthew 18 The parable of the unmerciful servant. Luke 18 9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10Â“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: Â‘God, I thank you that I am not like other peopleÂ—robbers, evildoers, adulterersÂ—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.Â’ 13Â“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, Â‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.Â’ 14Â“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.Â” Remember, the Prodigal Son finally came to his senses and determined to return to his Father's house and beg acceptance as a servant in the household, having already squandered his inheritance that he demanded in advance. His father's welcome and celebration honoring the "bad" son really miffed his older "obedient" son. How dare his good for nothing brother be seen as his own equal by their father! And the "first shall be last, last shall be first" parable of the landowner who contracts labor to harvest the field. Only a pompous fool would assume himself above transgression. There, but for the grace of god, go I. Sure, accountability. Now, consider "God is Love" contrasted with "Allah is Merciful" while being judged by self righteous bigots holding you accountable. If you think that you DESERVE God's love and forgiveness more than some other person (especially one who acknowledges his own dependence upon the Love of God in his life), face yourself. Kyrie eleison; Moses was denied entry into the Promised Land for taking credit producing God's miracle. Kings and Kingdoms are destroyed on that count, denying credence to God's Law of Liberty. Daniel 5 18 O thou king, the most high God gave Nebuchadnezzar thy father a kingdom, and majesty, and glory, and honour: 20 But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him: 21 And he was driven from the sons of men; and his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild asses: they fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven; till he knew that the most high God ruled in the kingdom of men, and that he appointeth over it whomsoever he will. 22 And thou his son, O Belshazzar, hast not humbled thine heart, though thou knewest all this; 23 But hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; ... and the God in whose hand thy breath is, and whose are all thy ways, hast thou not glorified: 24 Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written.25 And this is the writing that was written: Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin. 26 God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. 27 Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. 28 Thy kingdom is divided and conquered, given to the invading empire.

Posted by: panzernashorn at March 13, 2014 01:29 PM (MhA4j)

533 I've always supported Mel Gibson's career. The guy is a GENIUS. And he's learned far more humility in life than the vast majority of the American public. Nothing like having your worst moments in life broadcast 24/7 months on end, still being reviewed online, in print. God forbid my worst moment ever be smeared across the entire world's consciousness, to judge me based on my worst mistake, ever. Acting as if his sins are worse than your own, or my own, is an exercise in vanity. Ah, yes. All Is Vanity. Hollywood, vanity is thy name. I love most of his movies, and like the rest of his early flicks. He is the great actor of our day, and director, and producer. Had it not been for Hollywood's self righteous judgmental exile of Mel Gibson, they'd have always claimed credit for HIS achievements, his masterpieces. "Get behind me, Satan." The Passion patience is a virtue

Posted by: panzernashorn at March 13, 2014 01:43 PM (MhA4j)

534 531 527 Panzernahorn. I don't understand the point you are trying to make with me. The ONLY point I was making is that Tolerance is not a virtue. Patience is a virtue. Courage is a virtue. Faith, hope and love are preeminent, supernatural virtues. But tolerance is merely a good or bad prudential decision, based on circumstances. There can be no appeal to tolerance as to a general principle of right order. The only possible question is whether, with respect to any particular difference, tolerance or intolerance is the course most conducive to the common good, that is, to the well-being of the whole community.

Posted by: Havildar - Major at March 13, 2014 02:04 PM (kduZC)

535 Posted by: ace at March 13, 2014 03:13 PM What stone is being cast here? There is no way to deny that tolerance of evil is wrong. Failure to resist that which is evil creates a place where evil grows. The quality of virtue cannot be improved upon because it is the very essence of purity. A virtuous person is considerate of the rights of others and does not overstep his own rights to infringe on the rights of others. Or, I think, feelings of others.

Posted by: TimothyJ at March 13, 2014 02:43 PM (ep2io)

536 I thought this was going to be about guitars.

Posted by: Erowmero at March 13, 2014 05:44 PM (1gcFZ)

537 "The Rule against anti-semitic remarks (or homophobic remarks, or misogynistic remarks, or racist remarks) is a good one. I support that rule. I try to abide by that rule myself (and I inflict it on others in the comments)." Ironically kind of bigoted. Should include or change: add heterophobic; change to sexist (or add misandric).

Posted by: Bob at March 13, 2014 09:28 PM (2Y6Hc)

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