1

2 I'll get em

3 Still waiting for Superior to break away:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_(proposed_U.S._state)

4 Swing that banhammer like a Viking, CBD!

5 Unfortunately they have already decided the States do not have the power to enforce immigration laws. 

6 Agreed, and I would go so far as to say those Democrat governors who are NOT in hot water right now are the ones who resisted overreach.  
I'm not suggesting the Cummo or Gabbin' Nuisance are going to be replaced by conservatives or even Republicans, just that the easiest way for a governor of a blue state to keep his office is to not act like those guys.  Or that witch in Michigan.  
So yeah, look to your governor's mansions, folks.  That's where this thing is playing out, right now.  You'd be wise to spend less time focusing on the fustercluck in Washington.  

7 The 17th was the progressives' mortal blow to the Republic. Over time it has removed the influence of the state governments intended by the founders as a check on rampant democracy.

8 Unfortunately they have already decided the States do not have the power to enforce immigration laws.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 12:05 PM (2DOZq)

I understand the complexities of a state trying to enact its own immigration law, but merely enforcing what is on the books is exactly what I am talking about. The governors need to push it all the way to the SCOTUS..and maybe even beyond.

How many divisions does SCOTUS have?

9 Oh, so I gotta double click to get space between paras here.  Good to know. 

10 Hear, Hear!

11 It's pretty to think about, but the reality is that the 10th Amendment is why the Democrats are warming up the military in preparation for putting down these state level insurrections when needed. 

12 Until governors and other executive branch types stop worshiping at the feet of the Supreme Court as the final voice of God, nothing will get better.

13 How many divisions does SCOTUS have? - CBD
=====
Seventeen armed and answerable to the Homeland Security judicial diktats.

14 Also fun to report that I was at a drag race outside of Charlotte yesterday with 1000 or so people there, and I saw maybe six people wearing masks. 
The important part being NC is still in lockdown with mandatory mask wearing in public and businesses.
No one cares anymore. 

15 Grabbott listen to the Never Trumpers and wishy to be the rolling Romney.

16 too many fucking moving parts in this country
only an all out civil war will remedy this

17

How many divisions does SCOTUS have?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo 

All of them

18 And now a Sunday morning musical moment.

https://bit.ly/3x7fIyc

19 The refusal of states and cities to listen to Trump's orders regarding federal law showed the way.  Granted, it will be harder for states to ignore a leftist president, since the judicial will always side with the crazy but it still can be done.

20 SCOTUS put limits on what states can do to enforce immigration laws that they adopt on their own.  Arizona v US (2012). Another Roberts betrayal

21 How many divisions does SCOTUS have?

Legally, none.

Practically, every one down to the local cops, because everyone treats the "weakest branch" as the final official and unassailable, permanent word of God.

22 I think there might be something afoot regarding Covid shot tracking. I got both a text and email from my doctor's office telling me it is time to schedule my first Covid shot. How do they know if I have or haven't had the shot? I haven't paid them a visit in over a year and a half. 
He's part of a larger medical group so I'm wondering if they are being pressured to search the Covid shot record database for their patients names and contact those that have no record. 
Anyone have  a similar experience or know what might be going on?

23 And now a Sunday morning musical moment.

https://bit.ly/3x7fIyc

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 18, 2021 12:16 PM (VVEnO)

Went to the link.  Turned back before it started playing.  

24 He's part of a larger medical group so I'm wondering if they are being pressured to search the Covid shot record database for their patients names and contact those that have no record. 
Anyone have  a similar experience or know what might be going on?

Posted by: xa4 at April 18, 2021 12:19 PM (xkudx)

I sincerely doubt they're that organized.  I suspect it was just a mass email sent to everyone in their database, regardless of whether a person has been "vaccinated" already or not.  

25 That the SC could limit enforcement of immigration laws by States while allowing other States to ignore immigration laws is the height of hubris. 

26 Redacted - certainly can't live with them 

27 Cue the defeatists on Ace.  And there are MANY defeatists on Ace.  That mystifies me, for I don't know why the defeatists bother doing, well, anything if they cling to a defeatist attitude.

28 I think the only way this is going to resolve itself is to abolish the federal government.
And that will take violence. Lots of violence. The federal government itself is obsolete and is really not needed in 2021, but it's there.....a monster with no leash and it grows bigger every year.

29 Noem is "semi-disgraced"? WTF? She was the only Governor not to lock down,  DeSantis did in April 2020.  Noem's "transgender issue" is bullshit, read about it.  

30 the two lesbos on the SCOTUS could speak out against the expansion but they don't cause they think they will benefit them and their cause

31 24 Except the email read schedule your first shot.

32 Cue the defeatists on Ace.  And there are MANY defeatists on Ace.  That mystifies me, for I don't know why the defeatists bother doing, well, anything if they cling to a defeatist attitude.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 18, 2021 12:22 PM (49Dnm)

Thin line between defeatists and realists.  

33 Noem blew it with Tucker.
That was terrible and I am still a fan of hers but she lost a bunch of trust for me

34 I got some last night !

Posted by r. Jill Bidenat April 18, 2021 12:22 PM (bTQ72)

Me, too! Did you get a hair sniff?

35 I got some last night !

Posted by: Dr. Jill Biden at April 18, 2021 12:22 PM (bTQ72)

Not enough whisky in the world.  Not. Enough. Whisky.  

36 Except the email read schedule your first shot.

Posted by: xa4 at April 18, 2021 12:24 PM (xkudx)

Your state's health dept. most likely.

37 I don't see the mis-Administration of His Fraudulence calling up troops and invading a State. Oh, they would bleat, and squeal, but they have not fully run off officers who would disobey such orders, and the troops themselves would likely balk. They would be reluctant to fire on their own family, considering where the bulk of soldiers come from.
While the Traitor Party has little care for the actual laws and customs of this Nation, save for the times they might help their cause, Republicans have always kept well within the lines. We are now getting into territory where the lines blur, and there is leeway to push into the void. While the Courts would certainly be called in to decide on some things, it is safe to assume that no decision by any Court in the aftermath of the early hours of 4 November, 2020 has a lick of standing. Andrew Jackson had a point, in that the Courts don't have any force behind them, only respect for their authority. The Courts have abrogated that respect. Screw 'em.
States could easily take far more control of their affairs, such as immigration enforcement (Hello, Governor Windmill!). Let the Feds holler.

38 Noem is "semi-disgraced"? WTF? She was the greenonly Governor not to lock down,  DeSantis did in April 2020.  Noem's "transgender issue" is bullshit, read about it.  

Posted by: John at April 18, 2021 12:23 PM (fZ6l3

The population and density of SD allowed her a lot of leeway compared to Florida.  She fumbled the transgender issue and made it worse with her political spin that made no sense.  If we followed her and Hutchinson's logic , then every Bill should be vetoed because it has the possibility to be bastardized. 

39 Repealing the 17th Amendment won't change a damn thing.  Right now popularly elected Senators are charged with bringing home the bacon.  A repeal of the 17th Amendment will lead to state legislatures charging the Senators to bring hom enough money to plug holes in state budgets...AND bring home the bacon.   This just points to the laziness of Americans.  People think that if we repeal the 17th Amendment, we will go back to a bygone age of when the Senate was filled with statesmen, and that will happen by MAGIC.  Just as term limits will guarantee we have the best people in the swamp.  Nonsense.  We need to value temporary public service once again (because presently we do not) and we need to value frugality in government and sending only the best people to serve in government (we do not).  Re-developing civic values will work best, but this takes time, and defeatists do not like that in any event.  

40 Repealing the 17th Amendment won't change a damn thing.

Yeah its a commonly held conservative myth, I have no idea the origin.

41

Thin line between defeatists and realists.  

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 12:24 PM (2DOZq)

Defeatists, like optimists, suck at prophecy.  To quote the canceled Robert Pratt (though he still has a 45-minute long podcast available that he makes available 5 times a week, on TX politics), "Defeatist cynicism is the arrogance that we know an outcome - we do not.  Our Creator expects us to fight for good until HE ends the game, not us."

I do not know or understand for the life of me why defeatists bother showing up here, or anywhere for that matter.

42 >>Returning power to the states via a powerful executive branch is a delicate balancing act, and we will undoubtedly get more than one Cuomo.

Cuomo = good Newsom = hard

43 How can you ever get Leftist statesto go against what they wanted? Any change is a non starter.

44 Noem v. Hutchenson
arkansas's Hutchenson did fuck up even worse than Noem on the tranny shit.
protip if you go on Tuckers show, have some fucking clue why people may disagree with your CORPORATE PAID/LEVERAGED for position

45 31 24 Except the email read schedule your first shot.

Posted by: xa4 at April 18, 2021 12:24 PM (xkudx)

Yes, and there are people who already got both shots, who got the exact same email saying "schedule your first shot."  

46 I had a chance to chat with Justice Alito a number of years ago, and I asked him where, in his opinion, did we diverge most significantly from the intent of the Founders? He said two primary elements, decided at nearly the same time: the 16th and 17th Amendments. The ability to levy income tax allowed for massive expansion of the Federal Government, and the 17th removed the States' ability to directly control a branch of the Federal Government. It may not be possible to do, but if we are to fix this system, I think repeal of the 17th is required. We won't be able to go back on the 16th, but repeal of the 17th at least brings the States back into some control over what happens with that massive pot of money.

47 Yeah its a commonly held conservative myth, I have no idea the origin.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 18, 2021 12:32 PM (KZzsI)

The never ending search for magic bullets would be a good origin.  But all one needs to do is to observe the behavior of Senators and of state legislatures.  Am I opposed to a repeal of the 17th Amendment?  No, but I do not think for a moment it will do what people think it will do.

48 I'm wondering if they are being pressured to search the Covid shot record database for their patients names and contact those that have no record. 
Anyone have  a similar experience or know what might be going on?

Posted by: xa4 at April 18, 2021 12:19 PM (xkudx)

I am sure they sent a blast email hoping that people would come to the office for their vaccinations instead of somewhere else. They can bill for an office visit and make some easy money.

49 The problem with relying on federalism to blunt the power of the federal government is money.  While the federal government may not have constitutional power over most of the workings of the supposedly independent states (commerce clause? don't get me started), it has practical control through its ability to dole out, or withhold huge sums on which the states have grown to depend.  
The states are like junkies that have habituated themselves to those sweet federal block grants.  The quid pro quo is that they are obliged to toe the federal line in matters on which the feds should have no say -- things like school curriculums, housing density, environmental policy, etc.
One great current example of this is the execrable "Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing" initiative of HUD. Obama attempted to use it to force cities to eliminate purported racial discrimination by forcing the insertion of low income slum housing into higher income neighborhoods through the elimination of single family zoning.  (Sounds like Obama, right?) The so-called "Biden" Administration has taken this up again.
The ability of the federal government to directly tax individuals and corporations allows it to evade constitutional limitations that should permit the states to chart their own course. It takes money from the states' citizens and then gives it back to the states, but with strings attached, as conceived by our overlords in D.C.  This has to end.

50

I do not know or understand for the life of me why defeatists bother showing up here, or anywhere for that matter.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 18, 2021 12:32 PM (49Dnm)

There's a conceit that comes with being able to say "I knew it."  And it's a one way street.  The occasions when one is correct, the gloating occurs.  When one is not... silence.  Forget.  Pretend I never said it.  

51 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 18, 2021 12:29 PM (49Dnm)
We have never sent the best people to DC.  Politics attract a certain kind of people and only rarely are they the 'best' we could send.  Government begats laws begats lawyers begats politicians.  You do the math.  It will always come down to lawfare or civil war. 

52   Government begats laws begats lawyers begats politicians.  You do the math.  It will always come down to lawfare or civil war. 

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 12:37 PM (2DOZq)

You left out "money".

53 but repeal of the 17th at least brings the States back into some control over what happens with that massive pot of money.

Posted by: BetaPhi at April 18, 2021 12:34 PM (hGNrS)

Bringing home the bacon to the states and plugging state budget holes with federal money.  (Seriously.  You think states like NY and CA wouldn't send Senators to DC with marching orders to raid the federal treasury on behalf of the state legislatures?  Please.  And trust me, you'd have a better chance of seeing the TX state legislature send jokers like Mr. Dewhurst or Mr. Abbott to DC, or even my "Republican", "conservative" State Senator, Kel Seliger, than someone like the hated Ted Cruz.)

54 We need states that declare all their state citizens to be in "the militia" and that they are allowed to own (or make) whatever gun they darn well please.

55 No need for violence in red states. Keep law and order. After the SC refused to take the TX election case, I refuse to consider them important. let the various government agencies sort it out. Local police answer to the mayor. State police answer to the Gov. National Guard to Gov first then President. Keep it local. The feds will be busy with all the riots in the blue states.

56 The never ending search for magic bullets would be a good origin.

And the solution you give is anything but magical or fast, but is the only hope.  We're at the beginning of a very long fight.  We have to teach and demonstrate good citizenship and proper behavior, sanity, and truth in the face of a storm of chaos and madness.  It will take generations to defeat this, if ever.

And those generations have to be big: demographic change does not happen without large families, no matter what it costs us.

57 defeatists?? like whom?
you might recalibrate your snark meter some and remember you can always vote harder 

58 I hope DeSantis, in his next anti-gun control speech, asks Biden how many rounds his Secret Service detail needs. 

59 Heard this HR1 explained on radio, part makes all income tax information public for any candidate. Somehow makes all candidates liable have to be nominated by a committee or something, a Trump like person can't just declare a candidacy. 

60 We have never sent the best people to DC.  Politics attract a certain kind of people and only rarely are they the 'best' we could send.  Government begats laws begats lawyers begats politicians.  You do the math.  It will always come down to lawfare or civil war. 

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 12:37 PM (2DOZq)

It CAN happen.  Besides, there ARE these things called "elections".  

61 No one ever has to demonstrate need while exercising a right.  Period.

62 Can't focus.  Cooking bacon.
BBL.

63 The list of our only hopes:  Trump, The first IG report, Barr, the second IG report, the midterms, declassification, Durham, the Kraken, the Supreme Court, Pence and the electors. I'm sure I've missed some, for as many rise up as fall by the wayside. 
The only hope is the resolve among our leaders to fight the Left (meaning to take on personally and with total ruthless commitment the media and the full array of the Left's political and cultural forces). Until that conviction reaches the no-looking-back point, we're losing our country. 

64 here is how the Feds weild power, money
Elizabeth fucking Dole wanted the drinking age to be 21yo
So the Feds stopped all Fed highway funds to states who did not have a 21yo drinking age
and poof, everyone raised it to 21

65 And the solution you give is anything but magical or fast, but is the only hope.  We're at the beginning of a very long fight.  We have to teach and demonstrate good citizenship and proper behavior, sanity, and truth in the face of a storm of chaos and madness.  It will take generations to defeat this, if ever.

And those generations have to be big: demographic change does not happen without large families, no matter what it costs us.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 18, 2021 12:39 PM (KZzsI)

Exactly.  Man oh man, do I wish it could be faster or easier.  But ultimately things boil down to what we value as a society and what we pass on to those who will ultimately inherit the society and will also set things up for more future inheritors.  It's gonna be a REAL bitch, and will be quite painful.  But in the end it could well be worth it. 

66 Besides, there ARE these things called "elections".

No, we're at a point where elections are pointless and fixed.  Its a waste of time.  I mean you can vote, just like you can play the sweepstakes and buy a lottery ticket.  But you're not fighting or accomplishing anything by doing it.  This fight will not be won by the ballot box.

There are more boxes than soap, jury, ballot, and ammo.  There's the cradle box, where we raise children and teach them, changing the culture by sheer numbers.  There's the confession box where we get down on our knees and recognize our wrong and failure and sin and pray for God's grace and mercy.

67
From the website America Thinker: By Richard Moss

"Each state dominated by Republicans, where Republicans hold both houses of the state Legislature (there are 31) which would also include the governorship (there are24) should pass election integrity laws.

Eliminate unsolicited mail-in ballots, something done unnecessarily because of COVID.

Mandate one election "day".. Declare it a holiday.Limit early voting to two weeks

Require proof of citizenship -Mandate photo ID, something that for Democrats, is akin to daylight for vampires.

But there's more.

No longer can conservatives sit by and allow companies and sports entities to bully and abuse us. Any company / sports entity who threatens or implements a boycott of a red state for passing entirely legitimate legislation should be banned from all future and existing state contracts, tax breaks, set-asides, anti-trust protections and further business dealings with the state.

Legislation considered within the purview of the statewould contain laws and protections involvingreligious liberty and protecting children and studentsfrom the various depredations of leftist theories and policies, including such gems as transgenderism and Critical Race Theory, bogus refugee and illegal alien resettlement.

Attorneys general of red states should pursue litigation against left-wing corporations that infringe on the rights of their states' citizens, "canceling" individuals who espouse conservative or traditional beliefs; and otherwise prohibiting normal, free, and open expression.

States like Texas and Florida, with their large populations and economic clout and with supportive governors — notably Ron DeSantis of Florida — can take the lead, but any state so inclined can move aggressively.

68 57 defeatists?? like whom?
you might recalibrate your snark meter some and remember you can always vote harder  

Posted by: will choose a nic later at April 18, 2021 12:41 PM (bTQ72)

STOP PARTICIPATING IN ELECTIONS.  That's what liberated our country and that is why our citizens are freer than the Americans can ever hope to be!

69 Repealing the 17th amendment would get Sherrod Brown out of the Senate as of 2025

70 We need states that declare all their state citizens to be in "the militia" and that they are allowed to own (or make) whatever gun they darn well please. Posted by: doesky2 at April 18, 2021 12:39 PM (JC5Om)
Concur. We need to start thinking of ways to abolish federal edicts, not amending them.
Abolish the NFA. Abolish the Income Tax. Abolish Social Security.
Abolish I say!

71 Excellent post CBD.

72 You know who wasn't a defeatist?  Jackstraw.  
Being a realist and seeing what was happening would lead to defeat is not being a defeatist.  

73 Maybe if we build harder with the Constitution while ignoring the rot, the Tower of Babel will remain standing this time.

74 G'morning (belatedly), Horde.

Interesting couple of studies out indicating that people with type 0 blood are at less risk of catching WuFlu and show milder symptoms.  People with type A and AB are the hardest hit.  Type B falls somewhere between. They're still researching this but I thought it was interesting, being 0- myself. 

75 Yeah its very easy for states to clean up and protect their elections but neither party is showing the slightest inclination to do anything of the sort.

76 Abolish I say!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 18, 2021 12:48 PM (R/m4+)

Abolish abolishing!  

77 67: With all that, the United States MUST become a serious country, and decide, just for the hell of it, to enforce its immigration laws.  You want to be counted in the census?  OK, be a U.S. citizen, period.  Want to participate in the elections?  OK, there are pathways to becoming a citizen, and for many of our fellow citizens who came here legally and did things the right way (and are therefore my brother/sister as far as I am concerned), the path to citizenship began with a visit to a U.S. embassy.  Complete the bloody wall already (How shall we complete the wall? h/t, Floyd, Pink).  And institute exit visas so that we may see if anyone is overstaying their visas.  (Something to throw in Leftists' faces: Europe Does It.)

78 Yeah its very easy for states to clean up and protect their elections but neither party is showing the slightest inclination to do anything of the sort.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 18, 2021 12:49 PM (KZzsI)

I think that's why GA is being canceled. 

79 Correction. It was Federalist 57, for each of the states. You wingnuts just don't know your history. 

80 You know who wasn't a defeatist?  Jackstraw.    Being a realist and seeing what was happening would lead to defeat is not being a defeatist.

JackStraw got torpedoed like DJT did by trusting the likes of Barr and Rodentstein.  He was far from alone on that.

81 Well, crud.  It's CBD's thread and I blew the one-hundred-comment rule.

*trudges off to Teh Barrel*

82 Being a realist and seeing what was happening would lead to defeat is not being a defeatist.  

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 12:48 PM (2DOZq)

Defeatists often run behind the word "realist" to hide.  But again, it's one thing to speculate on what could happen, and its one thing to insist that defeat is inevitable.  I'm no pollyanna, I don't wear rose colored glasses, but at the same time I'm not going to run around saying "it's over" all the time.  If I wanted to do that, my SN on Ace would be "Bill Kristol".  I'm going to look at the cards we have been dealt, and know what the outcome could well be, as abysmal as it may be...then I'm going to try to at least do something about it other than sit around and whine about it.  

The ONLY think I ask is that before we arrange the funeral for this country, can we at least PRETEND to fight for it?

83 "It will take generations to defeat this, if ever."

I think it could be defeated much faster than we realize. In fact, I think the ideology and infrastructure of the Left could collapse with shocking speed. 

84 If states can determine that they can kill babies that are born alive, surely (other) states have the power to enforce (against a mafia central government) gun rights?

85 17th is wishful thinking. And governors have their own issues. But we will have to use them, along with the state legislatures, to force the issue. Strict application of tenth amendment has to become the day. States should challenge everything, including SCOTUS rulings. HR1 is DOA, and every state should just declare it unconstitutional, even California, because if it isn't HR 1 of 2025 will make all mail in balloting illegal in all the blue states, revoke same day registrations and provide strict limits on early and absentee voting. Are they going to like that? Oh, and no red state will implement anything in HR1. Before SCOTUS rules 2022 will be over and the dems will be out of power.
I'm impressed that Noem is being forced to re-evaluate her allegiance to the CoC, and that Hutchinson will leave office in disgrace in Arkansas. Obviously Kemp has understood belatedly that the business community will not have his back after Delta stabbed him so mercilessly. 
Constitutional carry will spread, 2A sanctuary states will proliferate, governor's Covid missteps will be rebuked by angry legislatures - see Kansas and Indiana - more is on the way. Did Oklahoma's constitutional review law pass? Petition your local CoC's to abandon their state or US Chamber, because the CoC is no longer an American institution. Treat them like the commies they have become. And work tirelessly to get rid of teacher's unions, whose behavior on covid is border line criminal. If you think teachers belonging to unions care for your kids, think again. They don't. {sorry for the length - time to fight folks}

86 JackStraw got torpedoed like DJT did by trusting the likes of Barr and Rodentstein.  He was far from alone on that.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at April 18, 2021 12:52 PM (y7DUB)

Yep, he's become the proverbial strawman argument around here.  

87 JackStraw got torpedoed like DJT did by trusting the likes of Barr and Rodentstein.  He was far from alone on that.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at April 18, 2021 12:52 PM (y7DUB)

And far more people here saw what was happening.  He was all for not prosecuting until all the i's were dotted and t's were crossed.  I'm not here to bash JS.  I'm just using him as the most known example of what happens when you are too optimistic and not a realist. 

88 78 Yeah its very easy for states to clean up and protect their elections but neither party is showing the slightest inclination to do anything of the sort.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 18, 2021 12:49 PM (KZzsI)

I heard an interesting idea on a radio show some time back, amybe a year or so ago.  How to clean up voter rolls the easy way, perhaps:

After the last election of the year, say, between Christmas and New Year's, on even numbered years...wipe the ENTIRE voter roll.  You want to get back on the voter roll?  Well, drop a card in the mail and the elections administrator will do their thing.  Yeah, this is a PITA, BUT think about it.  If you are dead or moved away, would you be sending in a new voter registration application card?  No, and the elections officials won't fine tooth comb the rolls looking for such people.  Every two years, wipe the rolls and start over.   

89 I wrote emails to my Dem congressmen and Dem senators to oppose HR 1.  Think that'll work?

90  Abolish I say!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 18, 2021 12:48 PM (R/m4+)

Abolish abolishing!  

Posted by: BurtTC 

Abolish the abolishing abolishers!

91

 I'm just using him as the most known example of what happens when you are too optimistic and not a realist. 

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 12:56 PM (2DOZq)

He f*cked up! He trusted them!

92 we thought Gnome was rock crystal but she turn out to be pressed glass

93 Curse you green orange!

94

I'm just using him as the most known example of what happens when you are too optimistic and not a realist. 

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 12:56 PM (2DOZq)

If people want realism, it's perhaps time some around here be realistic about the fact that Trump wasn't the answer, and wasn't capable of doing the things HE promised he'd do.  

Lots of people believed Trump, and the massive letdown needs to be applied there, and not on people like Jack, who believed Trump knew better than to surround himself with snakes and worms who stabbed him in the back for four f'n years.  

95 I wrote emails to my Dem congressmen and Dem senators to oppose HR 1.  Think that'll work?

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck 

Did you say "amen" at the end of the e-mails?  Because that's how you end a prayer; "Amen".

96 And those generations have to be big: demographic change does not happen without large families, no matter what it costs us.

Posted by:Christopher R Taylorat

It won't be revealed for decades, but what it in the vaccine everyone is getting?


On another subject, we (in the office) all received a memo and release to sign, in our physical in boxes. to allow our med ins co to disclose all med, financial and credit info to anyone.  I think I was the only one not to sign. Told hr lady I didn't like it, and asked questions she couldn 't  answer. 
She put the signature page in my in box with a note to sign.  It sat there for over 2 weeks. Not signed. Then disappeared.  Hope she didn't sign is for me.

97

Abolish the abolishing abolishers!

Posted by: Mork from Ork 

All the people responsible for this have been sacked.  Sure they have.

98 I think it could be defeated much faster than we realize. In fact, I think the ideology and infrastructure of the Left could collapse with shocking speed. 

Posted by: Homo Viator at April 18, 2021 12:55 PM (BA6Qv)

You could be right, if something like a Reign or Terror (without guillotines perhaps) could take place.  Maybe it could boil down to Leftists ostracizing each other in various places for offenses real or imagined.  But in the meantime, the maintenance of freedom and liberty is a real PITA.  But it CAN be done.

99
I wish JackStraw would come back.  I liked him a lot.

100 Would we all love to see senators brought to rein ore even recalled by the state legislatures? Sure. Of course! But the 17th Amendment isn't going anywhere... It will be all but impossible to amend the Constitution for anything substantive in the foreseeable future. That's why the Progs want a reliable Progressive majority on SCOTUS. Such a SCOTUS could change this nation more and faster than Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, and the Blue State governors can.

101 Me too, grammie.

102 94: I think when things cool down and we can apply some clarity, the one thing I think was Mr. Trump's Achilles heel was not having a good-sized entourage of people who were like minded that he could drop into key positions right away.  Think about it.  Most, if not all, other presidents had people ready to go, whether they were people they owed political favors to, or if they were trusted people, or people that their respoective parties needed put in place, and so on.  Mr. Trump never had that.  Had he had a good number of people alongside him who were loyal to him AND shared his vision, I think things would have been considerably different.  

103 There are 57 genders. The white supremacist founding fathers could not grasp this. 

104 Me three, grammie.  

105 Cuomo's lust for and accumulation of power was as a partner with the federal government's worst impulses.   -
Hold my beer.. 

106 I wish JackStraw would come back.  I liked him a lot.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2021 01:08 PM (45fpk)

me too, especially when he assured us that sumptin was about to break

that was so thrilling 

107 There are 57 genders. The white supremacist founding fathers could not grasp this.

Posted by:Baracky O'Cracky

57 states too.

108 The Republic formally died when the SC said that neither the people, nor the States, nor the President having standing to challenge election fraud and the President, Trump, did nothing about it.

There is no United States, there is just the Biden junta.

109 I'm wondering if they are being pressured to search the Covid shot record database for their patients names and contact those that have no record.
Anyone have a similar experience or know what might be going on?

Posted by a4at April 18, 2021 12:19 PM (xkudx)

No shot yet.  Been called by family practitioner's office twice, and by the VA once.

110
The feel good video of the day....

@Pismo_B 

The "Body Slam” & the "Scream” I can watch this all day long!


https://tinyurl.com/ydrprehh

111
I wish JackStraw would come back.  I liked him a lot.
Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2021 01:08 PM (45fpk)

So do I. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't recall him being nasty about his predictions. And, God knows, I'm wrong often enough not to mock anyone else's errors. 

112 Somehow makes all candidates liable have to be nominated by a committee or something, a Trump like person can't just declare a candidacy. Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2021 12:41 PM (Cxk7w)

My good man, we can't have truly independent candidates running for ANY public office just because they can self-fund and thus are not beholden to the graft machine!

113 latest Oxford Dictionary entry in definitions of "oxymoron"
United States

114 Posted by: Infidel at April 18, 2021 01:02 PM (E0OEG) She signed it for you.

115
I wish JackStraw would come back. I liked him a lot.

Posted by:grammie wingerat April 18, 2021 01:08 PM (45fpk)

me too, especially when he assured us that sumptin was about to break

that was so thrilling

Posted by:REDACTED at April 18, 2021 01:16 PM (6iURM)

And I'm sure this is part of the reason he won't come back....

116 The key to the left's power is there control of the federal budget. Every year, Republicans or Democrats running nominally in charge of the government, the left gets paid.

And the money is basically earned by looting the productive class both through taxes and inflation.
The answer then, if we had a government intent on restoring the Republic would be to use the government to loot the leftist overclass for the benefit of the productive class.

Obviously inflation is not a weapon when can use, since it is just robbing the productive class in the future.

117 Texas Governor Abbott could have done more things, but not much. The Texas Lieutenant Governor and Attorney General both have more power. I can't really fault him.
County Commissioners are very strong in Texas. That's a bad thing for blue counties.

118 The Republic formally died when the SC said that neither the people, nor the States, nor the President having standing to challenge election fraud and the President, Trump, did nothing about it. There is no United States, there is just the Biden junta. Posted by: 18-1 at April 18, 2021 01:17 PM (JMMlQ)
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I agree with your opinion on SCOTUS, but what exactly could Trump have done?

119 White man's greed is the tranny's need. 

120 The "Body Slam” & the "Scream” I can watch this all day long! 

https://tinyurl.com/ydrprehh Posted by: Tami at April 18, 2021 01:18 PM (cF8AT)

So what happened there? Did the kid in the white shirt pull a gun on the guy in black? Was the car involved, or the other person? I can't see letting the kid go, if that was the case.

121

me too, especially when he assured us that sumptin was about to break

that was so thrilling

Posted by:REDACTED at April 18, 2021 01:16 PM (6iURM)

JackStraw contributed more to this blog than most commenters and arguably some of the bloggers. Your mockery of him seems a bit disingenuous

122 Had he had a good number of people alongside him who were loyal to him AND shared his vision, I think things would have been considerably different. Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 18, 2021 01:10 PM (49Dnm)

I rate this pretty much true, but I thank our fearless Senate Majority Leader Turtle the Magnificent for refusing to ever shut down the Senate so that Trump would EVER have a chance to recess appoint someone to a position of authority that had not made it through the thoroughly corrupt Senate confirmation process.

If I misunderstand or have misstated this point, please correct me.

123

And I'm sure this is part of the reason he won't come back....

Posted by: Tami at April 18, 2021 01:20 PM (cF8AT)

sorry, I have an aversion of smoke being blown up my ass

124 Posted by: Tami at April 18, 2021 01:20 PM (cF8AT)
Jackstraw gave as good as he got.  I liked him too but I lost a little respect when he decided just to bail.  We all are wrong at some point.  The worst he would have gotten is good natured ribbing and nothing close to what I've seen happen to other regulars when they have a different opinion from the horde.  Sorry I brought him up.  

125 Reading The Deep Rig, what Jack was saying could have been true or mostly by the Rig was also some of those around DJT

126 122

Darn it
think that should have read
"Trump would NEVER have a chance"

127 I hate sounding like a doomer, but topics like this really magnify how bad things are. I don't trust anyone decent to step up in these red states, bad enough trying to vet any that do.  What's the saying, if voting were actually important, they wouldn't allow us to do it. Can't knock anyone for being optimistic and coming up with peaceful solutions. 
I don't know, I'm just along for the ride.

128 I agree with your opinion on SCOTUS, but what exactly could Trump have done?
The same thing the left did to the people - call out the army/NG only this time to instead deal with the traitors instead of the people. We are a banana republic, our side pretending we are not has doomed the country.

129

sorry, I have an aversion of to smoke being blown up my ass

Posted by: REDACTED at April 18, 2021 01:25 PM (6iURM)

I guess not everyone is perfect.

130 Who could have foreseen that turning America into an economic zone while using its people as cattle to fight Globalist Wats the last 100 years all while simultaneously demonizing and inverting and erasing the very people along their culture and history who founded this country would end badly causing the collapse of our country? 

131 We have powerful governors, and New Yorkers will sadly raise their hands and proclaim, "Be careful what you wish for!" 

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That's not real power or real federalism, though. When a governor wants to enforce an unconstitutional diktat (in this case, imprisoning his State's citizens) favored by our ruling cadre in DC, then he's a "powerful governor."

When a governor wants to enforce an entirely constitutional federal law (say, immigration laws) that is NOT favored by our ruling cadre in DC, then she's a renegade, and the feds will overturn that decision.

If a governor only has "power" when he does the bidding of the federal government, that's not power. It's a charade. 

132 Thanks Spoiler, iastf.
I really need some warm weather or something to break out of this depression.

133 I always liked Jack Straw's comments. I did not agree with all of them but he made me think. You can't be right all the time, just admit you fucked up and move on.
Come back Jack...

134 I hates me some double, nay triple, negatives!

135

sorry, I have an aversion of to smoke being blown up my ass

Posted by: REDACTED at April 18, 2021 01:25 PM (6iURM)

I guess not everyone is perfect.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 18, 2021 01:28 PM (Q9lwr)

that's quite an admission coming from you

136 So, how 'bout those Cubbies, eh?

137 off damn Newson sock!

138

sorry, I have an aversion of smoke being blown up my ass

Posted by:REDACTEDat April 18, 2021 01:25 PM (6iURM)

He wasn't blowing smoke up anyone's ass...least of all you.  You disagreed with almost every post he made and didn't ever miss a chance to argue with him.  I seldom found him to be rude to people who disagreed with him...can't say he was ever afforded the same.  He, like many of us, thought somewhere along the line, someone would follow the laws of this nation.  I'm sure no one was more disappointed than him when we saw how truly lawless we have become.  

So spare me your indignation....

139  I hates me some double, nay triple, negatives! Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 18, 2021 01:30 PM (hOUT3)

The throuple negatives were my downfall.

140 Who here thinks the Ds will not cheat again in 2022?

because they sure paid a price for the mega cheat in 2020 

141 Had he had a good number of people alongside him who were loyal to him AND shared his vision, I think things would have been considerably different. Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 18, 2021 01:10 PM (49Dnm)

I rate this pretty much true, but I thank our fearless Senate Majority Leader Turtle the Magnificent for refusing to ever shut down the Senate so that Trump would EVER have a chance to recess appoint someone to a position of authority that had not made it through the thoroughly corrupt Senate confirmation process.

If I misunderstand or have misstated this point, please correct me.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 18, 2021 01:25 PM (hOUT3)

Mitch is a particular kind of snake who COULD have been an ally, but it's a character flaw of Trump's, that he couldn't ever work with someone who... whatever it was, took some of the spotlight, had an ego ALMOST as big as his, had the audacity to not kiss his arse the right way.  Whatever.  

I'm kinda done with Trump.  In the end I consider him a speedbump along the way toward wherever we're going.  Good or bad.  

142 So, how 'bout those Cubbies, eh?

Posted by:grammie winger

.. Cubbies?  You mean you can actually watch a Cubs game on TV north of the Cheddar Curtain?
Can't watch 'em here...

143 One potato, two potato, three potato, four. 

144

He wasn't blowing smoke up anyone's ass...least of all you.  You disagreed with almost every post he made and didn't ever miss a chance to argue with him.  I seldom found him to be rude to people who disagreed with him...can't say he was ever afforded the same.  He, like many of us, thought somewhere along the line, someone would follow the laws of this nation.  I'm sure no one was more disappointed than him when we saw how truly lawless we have become.  

So spare me your indignation....

Posted by: Tami at April 18, 2021 01:32 PM (cF8AT)

this is BS, I can't ever remember disagreeing with his posts.  I ignored them as useless BS and went on about my business. 

145 I liked Jack Straw; He wasn't nasty and I appreciated his opinions. I wish it had worked out the way he envisioned and I would be glad to see him come back.

146 still noodling on the defeatists thing....

is pointing out the obvious defeatism?

147 It's time for the Red States to hunker down and nullify every unconstitutional act the junta will push through. Redistrict the hell out of every donk and when the screaming starts, just say yeah, we'll circle back to that question later.

148 One elected term in any federal office. One and done.
10 years in any federal job
Go big or stay home.

149 It's abundantly clear the general population in the US doesn't have the capacity to understand the ramifications of "voting."  Thus, I'd prefer they didn't.   Despite what some of the eternal optimists want me to believe voting is not the solution to the nation's ills.  That sort of solution may very well be decades down the road for all I know, but what I do know is that Americans seem to be preoccupied with matters of self destruction in the hear and now.

150 The Civil War and then the amendment that let Senators be popularly elected was the beginning of the shift to the central FedGov.

Maybe we can shift it back as you say by making the states stand up for themselves.

Another part of the centralizing is that the FedGov has a neat trick where it gathers taxes from all the states and then doles it back out to them in the form of programs and projects and if the state does not make certain laws or take certain positions on the law then they are refused access to the taxes they paid.

Most states have just gone along. Especially if they are a net recipient.

So many demands that the FedGov makes would not get made into law but by cloaking it in projects and plans and the money to accomplish them it make sit more palatable.

That has to stop. The FedGov needs to be forced to stop taking so much money and doling it out with strings attached and the states need to grow a spine and refuse the offers when the laws are clearly not good for the country over all.

151 Chi-Town Jerry ---- they are blacked out here too, even if we did have cable which we don't.  We did get a chance to see them get shut out by the Brewers the other day, when we went out to eat at Chili's.

152 Why do we keep arguing about Jack Straw?

He should have been right - there should have been people in the government willing to fight to save the Republic - but he was wrong. And for the record I was one of the people pointing out that it was obvious nothing was happening.
But...so what? I've been wrong about something before too. Err...probably

153 Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2021 01:33 PM (XhUIh)

A lesser ego than Trump's would have wilted and vanished down the memory hole before the Republican Convention and we would have had "¡Jeb!" as our candidate. So there's that!

154 Instant oatmeal for lunch...too lazy to make a sammich...I disappoint myself sometimes.

155 It was the income tax and other taxes that allowed the federal govt to get so powerful.

156 I love a parade. My kingdom for a working umbrella. Play ball. Goodnight Beria, wherever you are.  

157 Returning power to the states via a powerful executive branch is a delicate balancing act, and we will undoubtedly get more than one Cuomo.
But even that's OK, because the Cuomos of the world provide a control experiment. 

158 Posted by: Jakee308 at April 18, 2021 01:37 PM (LS3oW)

There is a graft train that runs between Washington and each and every state!

159 Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2021 01:33 PM (XhUIh)

A lesser ego than Trump's would have wilted and vanished down the memory hole before the Republican Convention and we would have had "¡Jeb!" as our candidate. So there's that!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 18, 2021 01:38 PM (hOUT3)

I gladly voted for Trump twice, because he was the middle finger to the ruling class.  I'm not sure he could ever have been anything more than that.  

160 A lesser ego than Trump's would have wilted and vanished down the memory hole before the Republican Convention and we would have had "¡Jeb!" as our candidate. So there's that! Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 18, 2021 01:38 PM (hOUT3)
Please clap!

161 Instant Oatmeal. Can’t you just shout "I want a sammich!"

162 The same thing the left did to the people - call out the army/NG only this time to instead deal with the traitors instead of the people. We are a banana republic, our side pretending we are not has doomed the country. Posted by: 18-1 at April 18, 2021 01:28 PM (JMMlQ)
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Ok, he calls out the military and the senior officers tell him LOLGY. Then what?

163 I think Jackstraw may have been some sort of Federal employee.

Not that he was here in that capacity but he felt sure that the government that gave hims and his friends jobs and did a lot of good along the way would not go over to the "Dark Side".

He was overly optimistic and it made what he said harder to give credence to.

I think that may be why he hasn't shown up around here as he is too embarrassed. And might fear his reception. And there would be some who would jump all over on him.

164 Why do we keep arguing about Jack Straw?

Because arguing about women's suffrage isn't scheduled till tomorrow.

165  Instant Oatmeal. Can’t you just shout "I want a sammich!"

Posted by: 4thewin at April 18, 2021 01:41 PM (OQfQX)

The better half is making a cake...not gonna disturb her.

166 It's abundantly clear the general population in the US doesn't have the capacity to understand the ramifications of "voting."
I've had so many discussions with LIVs where essentially not only do they not get that who they vote for has an effect on their immediate personal lives, but they seem to have difficulty grasping that is even possible.

It is disturbing - they don't get that locking down cost the people around them jobs, that letting in illegals reduces working class wages, that paying people to not work encourages them to not work...and on and on.

167 If jack straw was a stock broker, would you take his call ?

168 Been and other places saying until the Democrats are stopped now, when will they ever be? HR-1 is going to make them immortal 

169 #twoweeks

170 Because arguing about women's suffrage isn't scheduled till tomorrow.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2021 01:43 PM (45fpk)

Followed by the public shaming for watching movies and sporting events.  

171 End withholding Repeal the 17th 

172 When did women start to suffer?

173 I got nothin'. 

174

Followed by the public shaming for watching movies and sporting events.

Posted by:BurtTCat April 18, 2021 01:44 PM (XhUIh)

Is Prometheus on the list to be shamed??

175 That vaccine made me sleepy. 

176 Because arguing about women's suffrage isn't scheduled till tomorrow. Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2021 01:43 PM (45fpk)

Because it's easier to beat a dead donkey and more fun.

Sure there's ways we could recover from all this mess but face it unless a miracle happens we're not going back to any golden age.

We're sliding down the slippery slope to Hell in our nice comfy hand baskets.

177

Is Prometheus on the list to be shamed??

Posted by:Jak Sucioat April 18, 2021 01:45 PM (jvt6t)

Always.  It's how we keep TJM in line.

Shame! SHAME!

178 Ok, he calls out the military and the senior officers tell him LOLGY. Then what?
Cashier them. If the generals are all in on being in a banana republic I bet you can find a patriotic colonel.

And again, from Trump's perspective this is a no lose scenario anyway.

By bowing out gracefully he'll be arrested this summer (evidence to be manufactured later) even though I'm sure Biden's people promised they won't  - they'll use the SDNY scum as a proxy. And then later, Trump will be Epstein'd.

Why not roll the dice on saving the Republic instead?

179

10 years in any federal job
Go big or stay home.

Posted by:torabora

You are going to insist on less than 10 years of experience for Doctors and Nurses?

Talk about short sighted. 

180 155 It was the income tax and other taxes that allowed the federal govt to get so powerful.

Posted by: 4thewin at April 18, 2021 01:39 PM (OQfQX)

this is correct 

181

Followed by the public shaming for watching movies and sporting events.

Posted by:BurtTCat April 18, 2021 01:44 PM (XhUIh)

Is Prometheus on the list to be shamed??

Posted by: Jak Sucio at April 18, 2021 01:45 PM (jvt6t)

Prometheus and Mets fans.  Regardless of whatever else one thinks of such things, there will always be room here to publicly shame these folks in particular.  

182 Even before the 17th most states had elections for senator, and the legislatures aren't going to fuck with that, so repealing the 17th won't do a damn thing. 
The problem is that the country is simply too damn big. At 350 million people across 3000 miles, there are too many disparate groups and interests to have any sort of common identity or common political goals. Additionally, as with any system, it eventually becomes infested with people who seek to maintain the status quo because they've found a way to work within the current system, and exploit it for personal gain without improving it. The Democrats are blatant about it, while the GOP are so obsessed with maintaining the "sanctity" of the institutions that they can't see how those institutions are already rotted and fragile.  
National divorce is the only answer. That, or a couple long and bloody wars that kill off about 50-100 million people. 

183 When did women start to suffer? Posted by: 4thewin at April 18, 2021 01:45 PM (OQfQX)

I think it means insufferable. Or suffering. Or making others suffer. Yeah that's it.

184 Followed by the public shaming for watching movies and sporting events. Posted by:BurtTCat April 18, 2021 01:44 PM (XhUIh)
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Along those lines, can we retire the term sportsball? It was mildly amusing the first million times I heard it. Now it's just annoying.

185 Off hand... Jack Straw could very well be on here now, under a different name and different hash.  

- Just sayin'

186 Because arguing about women's suffrage isn't scheduled till tomorrow.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 18, 2021 01:43 PM (45fpk)

Oh darn . l have to miss that.

Followed by the public shaming for watching movies and sporting events.  

Posted by: BurtTC at April 18, 2021 01:44 PM (XhUIh)

So when is "You're the spawn of Satan if you occasionally  buy something from Starbucks" scheduled for? I will again-take my licks.

I redeemed myself today, however. My delicious iced coffee (I have no ice trays in my house) cam from another coffee shop 

187

He wasn't blowing smoke up anyone's ass...least of all you.  You disagreed with almost every post he made and didn't ever miss a chance to argue with him.  I seldom found him to be rude to people who disagreed with him...can't say he was ever afforded the same.  He, like many of us, thought somewhere along the line, someone would follow the laws of this nation.  I'm sure no one was more disappointed than him when we saw how truly lawless we have become.  

So spare me your indignation....

Posted by: Tami at April 18, 2021 01:32 PM (cF8AT)

this is BS, I can't ever remember disagreeing with his posts.  I ignored them as useless BS and went on about my business. 

Posted by: REDACTED at April 18, 2021 01:35 PM (6iURM)

since you can't rebut my comment, your apology is accepted 

188 If a person was to go back and check some of the daily posts from the week before the Nov election I know there would be a list of many, many respected nics that no longer comment here.

JS might just have lost the drive to express his opinion here.
I hope he's off having a life,taking walks and drives with Elvis and is happy.

189 Posted by uke Lowellat April 18, 2021 01:49 PM (kTF2Z)
Professional Sporting League Scumbags is too hard to type over and over.

190 New thread!  Please!

191 I remember this differently. I always managed to politely disagree with the JackStaw, #TwoWeeks types. And with few exceptions, they were polite in return. And, while I was a big Trump fan, I never thought he could drain the swamp, lock up Hillary Clinton, reverse Obamacare, build a wall, or anything like that. Sure, I wished him the best, but none of that seemed very likely to me, and it turns out that it wasn't.

I will say that if anything positive came out of the Trump years, it's that no rational person on the Right can ever again be lulled into that kind of magical thinking. #NobodyIsComing. The process doesn't take time, because there is no process. 11-D chess is not a thing. There are no white hats. And no politician can Make America Great Again.

When the time comes, if it comes, to fix the situation, we can do it clear-eyed and unencumbered by these wistful fantasies, driven by the emotional attachment to a world gone by many years ago. 

192 We're sliding down the slippery slope to Hell in our nice comfy hand baskets.
Right now Idiocracy is the best case scenario I could imagine - but the dumb characters leading everything in that future generally meant well.

Our elites do not mean to enrich themselves while maybe letting something positive happen. They mean to despoil the people in every means possible.

193 FWIW, Jackstraw believed in the rule of law and that the guilty would be punished.  So he focused on what he knew.  
He was wrong.  
DJT believed the same thing, he was wrong. 
Regarding Mitch, cooperation with Trump was never in the cards, Mitch knew the whole Russia Russia conspiracy (along with Ryan) was fake from the get go.  Remember both the Speaker and the Majority Leader are on the Gang of 8 that gets sensitive intel briefings.  
The GOP leaders basically wanted Trump out to be replaced by a reliable Pence and they did not give a damn about how it was done.  
The term is collaborationist.  

194 Planetary Decapitation Strike FTW! And the survivors take a 90% haircut.
Absent that Governors are just the minor league for the big show. 

195 Few minutes a new one will come along. Until then read this situation  https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/04/18/you-gotta-see-this-ontario-canada-goes-into-full-blown-police-state-to-lockdown-over-covid-complete-with-admitted-stasi/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=you-gotta-see-this-ontario-canada-goes-into-full-blown-police-state-to-lockdown-over-covid-complete-with-admitted-stasi

196 It was the income tax and other taxes that allowed the federal govt to get so powerful. Posted by: 4thewin at April 18, 2021 01:39 PM (OQfQX)

That and the confiscatory withholding. Taking your money before it was due and not allowing you to have the use of it.

It was a good move cause if they hadn't done that people would've started to evade their taxes when the due date came and they just didn't have the infrastructure to pursue everyone who failed to pay.

And they may have had trouble from the courts for any aggressive pursuit of taxes. So they got businesses to be their tax farmers. Once again corporations stole our rights and sold them for their own security from the government inspectors.

197 The term is collaborationist.

Posted by:whigat April 18, 2021 01:52 PM (pO7gM)

Then it's time to start Quisling some assholes.

198 Ok, he calls out the military and the senior officers tell him LOLGY. Then what?

Posted by uke Lowellat April 18, 2021 01:41 PM (kTF2Z)

How many of those senior officers are promoting the Anti-White training, and gung ho on making sure the military is ready to pass any inspection about not being PC and diverse enough? 
Some how I am not eager to bet my life or my families lives that being ordered in to contain "White Supremacists and other haters" is going to be a Rubicon moment for the entire service. Not saying all will comply, but seeing how the highest levels felt able to ignore Trump as CIC cause "they knew better," I hope that day doesn't come.

199 When I say a good move I'm speaking of how it looked to the Government.

They were quite on top of what the reality would've been after the war.

200 The use of the same Chinee CheatWare and Mail-In Fraud nation-wide thwarted the Framers' decentralized checks and balances.
"Some boast of being friends to government; I am a friend to righteous government, to a government founded upon the principles of reason and justice; but I glory in publicly avowing my eternal enmity to tyranny.”–John Hancock, First Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Seventh "President of the United States in Congress Assembled" under the Articles of Confederation, Smuggler and Sam Adams’ partner in American Liberty

201 I liked  jack straw, still do.  he picked the perfect nic.

202 Blimey. Grog again.

203

this is BS, I can't ever remember disagreeing with his posts. I ignored them as useless BS and went on about my business.

Posted by:REDACTEDat April 18, 2021 01:35 PM (6iURM)

Right...just like you ignore all posts when his name is brought up.

Whatever...

204 Not saying all will comply, but seeing how the highest levels felt able to ignore Trump as CIC cause "they knew better," I hope that day doesn't come. Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 01:54 PM (Ojki1)
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Yes, that's the point. The generals ignored a direct order from the CiC to withdraw forces from Syria. What makes anyone believe they would obey his order this time?

205 Posted by: 18-1 at April 18, 2021 01:51 PM (JMMlQ)

I think you attribute malice too much to the Federal employees. The top echelon? Perhaps. But the grunt on the ground just wants to make his pay, get promoted and retire without any hassles.

They know they can't work in the private sector so Government is all they can do. They have no where else to go.

206 don't piss off the twitter queen.

207 Kinetic munitions.

208 What makes anyone believe they would obey his order this time?
I was surprised that Trump didn't follow up on that.

I remember when the military leadership was hell bent on prosecuting a Seal for killing a Jihadi who tried to kill him and Trump was willing to fire people over that.

But then when this came down he did...nothing.

Traditionally this sort of Insubordination would normally be severely punished - and honestly was the perfect opportunity to do so.

209

this is BS, I can't ever remember disagreeing with his posts. I ignored them as useless BS and went on about my business.

Posted by:REDACTEDat April 18, 2021 01:35 PM (6iURM)

Right...just like you ignore all posts when his name is brought up.

Whatever...

Posted by: Tami at April 18, 2021 01:57 PM (cF8AT)

let's see the evidence

If whatever is the best you can do, so be it

210 I'm starting to think Tami is Jack Straw

211 I liked Jack Straw. His mistake, as was mine, was viewing our institutions through the lens of how they used to be. How they SHOULD be. Why some people still feel the need to rag on him is beyond me.

212 Green, uh, hum NOOD

213 I don't think Tami is Jack

214 Electric nood.

215 Posted by: REDACTED at April 18, 2021 02:01 PM (6iURM)
Now you're just being silly.

216 You can't invoke Mencken/pray for SMOD but freak out when Noem delivers.  

217 NOOD

Thank heavens.

218
Still waiting for Superior to break away: 


Fine, but keep Traverse City out of the mix - it is a rancid leftist shithole. Think Michael Moore and Governor Shitmer's homes away from home. 

219 The military fights a lot of overseas wars so I’m not too worried about them here in the states. It’s the FBI, DOJ and IRS that I worry about.

220
I'm starting to think Tami is Jack Straw

Posted by:REDACTEDat April 18, 2021 02:01 PM (6iURM)

Oh ffs.

221

Oh ffs.

Posted by: Tami at April 18, 2021 02:07 PM (cF8AT)

stop lying about me, OK

222 I liked Jack and rarely argued with him. I disagreed with him in many of my own postings, for sure, but rarely rebutted him.

In one of the seldom times I did rebut him - and I was perfectly polite - he implied I must be a troll with something along the lines of "and who are you". Must say it caught me off guard.

223 222 I liked Jack and rarely argued with him. I disagreed with him in many of my own postings, for sure, but rarely rebutted him.

In one of the seldom times I did rebut him - and I was perfectly polite - he implied I must be a troll with something along the lines of "and who are you". Must say it caught me off guard.

Posted by: ... at April 18, 2021 02:31 PM (uEbPt)

being polite and disagreeing with the AOS intelligentsia does not compute 

224  China will buy those governments too. See GA.

225 The Founders really did believe that NO GOVERNMENT IS GOOD GOVERNMENT but is a necessary evil.
So they designed federal government based on that.
Fyi
Breonna Taylor’s Mom Calls Black Lives Matter a Fraud, "I’m So Sick of Ya’ll”
Gateway pundit

226 Valiant, they already have.
Pompeo warns governors of Chinese infiltration into US: 'It's happening in your state'
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469104-1/national-governors-association-2020-winter-meeting

227 <i>"our best option is the governors' mansions"</i>
Concur.  So, secession it is!   (Seriously.  I think it's the only way to get some breathing room away from DC.)

228 One of the basic assumptions to the balance of powers concept underlying the Constitution was that those wielding power would be jealous of that power, and would earnestly seek to retain it. What the Founders did not (could not?) allow for was that the tension between the States and the supremacy of the Federal government allowed the combination of a collection of weak Governors with a strong President for the Governors to realize that they could retain their authority, but shift responsibility for tax hikes and other necessary-but-unpopular programs to the Federal government. 
 
Wilson set the stage for an activist central / national governance; FDR found the circumstances to enact it. Since then it has become an increasing cycle of Governors saying "don't blame me - the Feds made me do it." 

It is long past time for the Governors to reclaim their power. Perhaps we are seeing the reverse of the 1930s: a collection of strong Governors with a weak Executive. The time is ripe to reclaim the authority the Governors are supposed to have as a check against that overreaching Federal behemoth.

229 What might work would be a legislative red state collaboration on issues of common interest.  For example, a coalition of states with a GOP trifecta might agree to pass simultaneously the same election law reform package done in Georgia.  Then let's see the woke corporations boycott all of them.  

230 The States can't, and I will tell you why.  The Courts have allowed the Federal government to use blackmail and bribery to force the States to do what which the Federal government cannot do.  It the Feds want to require or forbid something, they just make doing or not doing it a requirement to get sweet, sweet Federal cash, or alternatively, they threaten to take away said cash.  The Federal income tax provided a huge pile of money and that pile of money then provides power the founders never intended.  Of course, our modern idiots have taken it a step further....they give away cash they DON'T HAVE.