March 17, 2014
— Maetenloch
It's rare that a large commercial jet goes completely missing but it has happened. Just over ten years ago a 727 took off from Angola and has never been seen since.
On May 25, 2003, shortly before sunset, Padilla boarded the company's Boeing 727-223, tail number N844AA. With him was a helper he had recently hired, John Mikel Mutantu, from the Republic of the Congo. The two had been working with Angolan mechanics to return the 727 to flight-ready status so they could reclaim it from a business deal gone bad, but neither could fly it. Mutantu was not a pilot, and Padilla had only a private pilot's license. A 727 ordinarily requires three trained aircrew.
According to press reports, the aircraft began taxiing with no communication between the crew and the tower; maneuvering erratically, it entered a runway without clearance. With its lights off and its transponder not transmitting, 844AA took off to the southwest, and headed out over the Atlantic Ocean. The 727 and the two men have not been seen since.
Most likely the men ended up crashing it but no wreckage was ever found. And in the years since then neither the plane nor its parts have ever appeared on the aviation market.
'Snools Rule': Mary Daly and the Radical Feminist School of Atrocious Writing
You just might be an oppressing snool and not even know it. From our favorite anti-PIVer:
Women's situation is more complex since we are oppressed by all the different classes of men who are the originators and subjects of patriarchal snooldom.
Apparently snool is a term that Mary Daly brought back from obscurity and seems to have used as synonym for low level henchmen of the patriarchy...I think. It's hard to say since Daly wrote in a Red Queen word-salad style where word meanings changed from sentence to sentence.
The would-be preventers of this retrieval of gynergy, the ghosts/ghouls that want our movement dead, are snools. The noun snool (Scottish) means "a cringing person". It means also "a tame, abject, or mean-spirited person" (OED). In sadosociety, snools rule, and snools are the rule. . . . Snools are sadism and masochism combined, the stereotypic saints and heroes of the sadostate. . . .
Snools appear and re-appear in various forms. . . . Among the henchmen required for the smooth operation of fixocracy are the cocks, danglers, pricks, and flashers who keep girls and women intimidated. Necessary also are the fakes, framers, frauds and hucksters whose job is to manufacture and spread delusions. Heavier work is assumed by rakes, hacks, rippers and plug-uglies. . .
So is this an example of wanton snoolism ?
The Air Force seems serious about really killing off the A-10 this time.
The five-year scheme retires all of the roughly 340 A-10 Warthog attack jets in the active Air Force, Air Force Reserve and state-controlled Air National Guard. The Warthogs account for the majority of the planned warplane cuts.
The twin-jet, gun-armed A-10s disappear from their main active-duty strongholds in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada and South Korea in 2015 and 2016. Reserve and Guard squadrons in Arizona, Idaho, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri and Maryland surrender their A-10s more gradually between 2015 and 2019.
Stephen Green points out that there doesn't seem to be any obvious gain in getting rid of the A-10.
We'll be replacing the low-cost/high-survivability/highly-effective A-10 with high-cost/lower-survivability/less-effective F-16s in the ground-strike role. Then the F-16s will be replaced by the stupid-cost/lower-survivability/unknown-effectiveness F-35.
Details on the ATF's Raid on Ares Armor
Apparently EP Armory made their '80%' epoxy lowers by first molding the FCG pocket from one kind of plastic and then casting the rest of the lower around it using a different kind of plastic. The ATF has believes that the way the they're making the 80% lowers constitutes a 100% firearm with a plug in it which means that anyone selling them (Ares) as 80% lowers was in fact selling firearms. It's unclear if EP ever got a Letter of Determination from the ATF. And to be honest it's a bit murky since depending on the exact order of steps and casting technique the EP lowers could in fact be considered 100%.
That doesn't seem to be the case here but then the ATF is known for inconsistency in how it interprets its own rules at times.
According to this website. Actor Wayne Knight insists he's not dead but then the dead are notoriously unreliable when it comes to ascertaining their own living status.
Does someone have to DIE to trend? Geez! Thanks for all the love everybody. I didn't know you cared. Glad to be breathing!
- Wayne Knight (@iWayneKnight) March 16, 2014
6 Clearly Fake News Stories That Fooled The Media (Part 16)
Well the selfie lice epidemic and the suicide-by-tiger are bogus but the writer seems to have completely misunderstood the WWII troop levels story.
News You Can Use: How to Get Drunk in Public on the Sly
The gummy bears idea was a new one to me.
The Yahoo AoSHQ group. Bla bla bla.
And my twitter thang.
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Posted by: Thrawn at March 17, 2014 06:37 PM (WlWt+)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 17, 2014 06:37 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: Padilla, God of the Congo at March 17, 2014 06:37 PM (Aif/5)
So the BATFE is quibbling over the %s.
Fuck....I hate them.
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Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 17, 2014 10:42 PM (GEICT)
I used to have an FFL.
They are cocksucking, fascist scumbags.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (anti-Irish Bigot) at March 17, 2014 06:45 PM (QFxY5)
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Posted by: mr_jack at March 17, 2014 06:45 PM (TMG3G)
you recycled the missing 727 piece?
oh, that's right, it's not a repost at AoS...
it's a recontextualization
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 10:38 PM (xSfiX)
Eh - like I even read this blog.
Look just fill out the online refund form and I'll pass it on to Ace with my endorsement. You should receive it within 20 business days.
Posted by: Mætenloch at March 17, 2014 06:46 PM (pAlYe)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 06:46 PM (rDidD)
She's ready.
The four gun safety rules are a good place to start.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (anti-Irish Bigot) at March 17, 2014 06:46 PM (QFxY5)
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Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 17, 2014 06:46 PM (GEICT)
No?
Then it's not a 100% upper, YOU ATF DICKS.
Posted by: That's my skull at March 17, 2014 06:47 PM (gSPiG)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 17, 2014 06:47 PM (HsTG8)
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Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at March 17, 2014 06:48 PM (hn5v5)
There are logistic issues with that, as well as budgetary ones. The Army is taking huge cuts and can't afford to maintain the squadrons. Furthermore, like it or not the A-10 is an old system, and maintenance on them is starting to get expensive.
The real problem was never getting rid of the A-10, it was the lack of a dedicated replacement in the pipeline ten years ago.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 17, 2014 06:49 PM (lr3d7)
My 12yo is interested in learning to shoot. What's a good safe fun way to learn for kids?
Posted by: votermom at March 17, 2014 10:42 PM (VP864)
votermom, Appleseed. We've had girls way younger!
Posted by: Steck at March 17, 2014 06:49 PM (5i94q)
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Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 17, 2014 06:49 PM (HsTG8)
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Posted by: mr_jack at March 17, 2014 10:45 PM (TMG3G)
+++
Use the URL box where you put your name an email. That will be clickable.
Posted by: Plug-Ugly Snool at March 17, 2014 06:49 PM (IN7k+)
Posted by: 18-1 at March 17, 2014 06:50 PM (M3hAT)
The OV-10 Broncho is a hoot to "fly", as well.
FlightGear also has a Boeing 777-200 simulator, but I cannot think of a reason anyone would want that...
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 17, 2014 06:51 PM (JMmQ9)
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And especially not on a flat, steppe-like terrain.
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Posted by: Romeo13 at March 17, 2014 07:01 PM (84gbM)
The Army should bring back the Army Air Corps. Like the Marines have Marine pilots, the Army should have their own. They've got rotary wing pilots, why not ground-air support pilots?
I can remember when the Air Force was just going to be missiles.
Or the Navy was just going to have missiles for carrier and task force cover.
That didn't work out. So why do they think that we'll never need ground air/ anti tank support planes?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Awaiting Armageddon) at March 17, 2014 07:01 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 17, 2014 07:02 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 17, 2014 07:03 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 17, 2014 07:03 PM (HsTG8)
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Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 07:05 PM (doBIb)
The F-35 will never be able to get below ten thousand feet in anything but the most permissive of environments.
There are many stories of A-10s getting stitched up with everything including full scale 30mm cannon fire from the ground, and a LOT of said fire, and flying safely home. Courtesy of two engines, onboard fire suppression, self-sealing fuel tanks, widely separated twin tails with enough redundant control authority that one can be shot away completely, double hydraulic controls with bone simple mechanical backup, armor everywhere, and a titanium tub for the pilot to sit in.
Whereas the F-35 has, by contrast: one engine. No onboard fire suppression (removed to save weight). No self-sealing tanks. Vulnerable tail control surfaces. Complex fire-risky "fueldraulic" controls with inadequate backup. No armor to speak of. No titanium tub in the cockpit.
The layout of the F-35 is basically unprotected fuel tanks completely encircling one enormous, extremely hot engine. You can figure how well even a rare "magic BB" hit by a rifle-sized round will work out. A single hit from a 30mm explosive shell? Instant fireball. Bye bye.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 07:05 PM (gqT4g)
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Posted by: votermom at March 17, 2014 07:07 PM (GSIDW)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 17, 2014 07:07 PM (JMmQ9)
Wait. Didn't you graduate? Midterms still?
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 07:07 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Awaiting Armageddon) at March 17, 2014 07:07 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Wave at March 17, 2014 07:08 PM (aDwsi)
According to this website. Actor Wayne Knight insists he's not dead but then the dead are notoriously unreliable when it comes to ascertaining their own living status.
Nothing I can say to you guys then
Posted by: Abe Vigoda at March 17, 2014 10:42 PM (aTXUx)
Word.
Posted by: Jeff Goldblum at March 17, 2014 07:08 PM (AHzA7)
Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at March 17, 2014 07:09 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 17, 2014 07:09 PM (4s6u1)
As to how to save the Warthog, rename it something like the A-10 Puppy Saver.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 17, 2014 07:09 PM (cHZB7)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 17, 2014 07:09 PM (JMmQ9)
Note the three engines. One at the base of the tail.
The only trijet design which MDD ever built was the (massive) DC-10/MD-11 series, and this is surely not one of those.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 07:09 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at March 17, 2014 07:10 PM (N/cFh)
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Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 17, 2014 07:12 PM (HsTG8)
A-10 Guardian Of Gaia.
A-10 Defender Of Social Justice.
A-10 Don't Call It Bossy.
But as others have pointed out, the fastest way to get the Air Force to keep the jet would be to name it the A-10 U.S. Marine Corps Close Air Support Aircraft.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 07:12 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Joe Montana at March 17, 2014 07:12 PM (ABUkj)
Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 17, 2014 07:12 PM (fHhk+)
I didn't grow up around guns (knives & icepicks were the kind of neighborhood I was mostly at)
Appleseed sounds cool ...
Posted by: votermom at March 17, 2014 11:07 PM (GSIDW)
votermom, same here. That's why it was fun to start Appleseed in my 50's ! We even have occasional gals-only shoots (but they are rare).
Posted by: Steck at March 17, 2014 07:13 PM (5i94q)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 17, 2014 07:13 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 17, 2014 07:14 PM (4s6u1)
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Posted by: AltonJackson at March 17, 2014 07:14 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Lurker John at March 17, 2014 10:55 PM
I believe you are correct.
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 17, 2014 11:07 PM (JMmQ9)
++++
This pic shows a Boeing 727 with the engines not on the wing:
http://boeinginfo.edublogs.org/2011/03/10/boeing-727/
Posted by: Plug-Ugly Snool at March 17, 2014 07:15 PM (IN7k+)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2014 07:15 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: I has math skills, I do, I do! at March 17, 2014 07:15 PM (C94J7)
BBGun, Airgun both are made in long gun and pistol form to learn weapon safety.
Graduate to .22 rifle, .22 pistol
Then on from there with the full size larger caliber weapons.
Plenty of clubs, groups, ranges (depending on where you live) that will assist you in learning.
Contact/website NRA. They have youth programs.
Good reading and learning as a place to start.
Any activity that has an element of danger/risk should have a certain amount of reading as part of the process.
Learn by other's mistakes and find out things you would not on your own or that would take a long time or special circumstances.
Always good to learn from others. It's what puts humans at the top of the food chain.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Awaiting Armageddon) at March 17, 2014 07:15 PM (LSDdO)
wings. I'm not sure but that looks like a McDonald/Douglass or
something."
Note the three engines. One at the base of the tail.
The only trijet design which MDD ever built was the (massive) DC-10/MD-11 series, and this is surely not one of those."
Definitely a 727. I actually got to walk up the tail stairs on a 727 once at Boeing field. Sea-Tac was fogged in so they bussed us from our gate at Sea-Tac to Boeing Field, we boarded through the tail and off to Denver. I think the ceiling was about 15 feet that day.
Posted by: Fritz (not Fritz) at March 17, 2014 07:15 PM (U0t2o)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 17, 2014 07:15 PM (4s6u1)
Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 17, 2014 07:16 PM (fHhk+)
Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at March 17, 2014 07:16 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 07:16 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 07:16 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 17, 2014 07:16 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 17, 2014 07:16 PM (HsTG8)
Posted by: votermom at March 17, 2014 07:17 PM (eR0Id)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 07:17 PM (aDwsi)
No. It's a 727. Note the intake at the base of the vertical stabilizer/rudder.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 17, 2014 11:14 PM (4s6u1)
You are correct sir. I did a Wiki search.
Posted by: Lurker John at March 17, 2014 07:18 PM (yapmr)
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Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 07:20 PM (doBIb)
You have to bring a rifle to use, right?
Posted by: votermom at March 17, 2014 11:17 PM (eR0Id)
If you don't have one, you can ask the instructors ahead of time (via email) whether they have something they can loan you. I personally have two day-glo Ruger 10/22s specifically for loaning.
Whereabouts are ya ?
Posted by: Steck at March 17, 2014 07:21 PM (5i94q)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylene_blue
Scroll to Placebo.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 07:21 PM (TI3xG)
And on an additional note, winter can just FTFO already.
Evening roonz and roonettez! What's everyone up to?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 17, 2014 07:21 PM (xa1/W)
Ok this was thhe question I was hoping to ask in the gun thread:
My 12yo is interested in learning to shoot. What's a good safe fun way to learn for kids?
Posted by: votermom at March 17, 2014 10:42 PM (VP864)
Appleseed.
When I went a couple of years ago, it was a small class. Me, two other guys, and a homeschooling Russian emigre family all learning together. Mom, Dad, three daughters. Great fun to watch the kids shoot for the first time.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2014 07:21 PM (AHzA7)
Posted by: President Obama at March 17, 2014 07:22 PM (LsJl8)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 07:22 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 17, 2014 07:22 PM (HVff2)
Miss those. I have heard those referred to as the "D.B. Cooper door".
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 07:22 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 07:22 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 17, 2014 07:23 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 07:23 PM (doBIb)
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Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at March 17, 2014 07:23 PM (HxSXm)
Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 17, 2014 07:24 PM (fHhk+)
Posted by: tu3031 at March 17, 2014 07:24 PM (yagOO)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 07:24 PM (zOTsN)
When I went a couple of years ago, it was a small class. Me, two other guys, and a homeschooling Russian emigre family all learning together.
"Pick up the rifle and shoot. When he falls, the man behind him picks up the rifle and shoots."
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 11:23 PM (doBIb)
*snort*
Should have brought my Finn M39 that day......
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2014 07:25 PM (AHzA7)
Posted by: Bob Dylan at March 17, 2014 07:26 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 07:26 PM (xSfiX)
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Posted by: Psycho Dad at March 17, 2014 07:26 PM (C94J7)
Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at March 17, 2014 07:26 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 17, 2014 07:26 PM (HsTG8)
Posted by: Barak Obama at March 17, 2014 07:27 PM (aDwsi)
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Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 17, 2014 07:27 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Mitt Romney at March 17, 2014 07:28 PM (aDwsi)
So it is the Bilderbergs' fault. Shoulda known.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 17, 2014 07:28 PM (cHZB7)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 17, 2014 07:28 PM (4s6u1)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 07:28 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 07:28 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 07:28 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 17, 2014 07:29 PM (l3vZN)
What could go wrong?
Posted by: EC
Adam Sandler and Kevin James in ...
PLANE CRAZY
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Posted by: Daybrother at March 17, 2014 07:33 PM (oNhu4)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monongahela_River#20th_century
Posted by: CW at March 17, 2014 07:33 PM (T9zRc)
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Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 17, 2014 07:35 PM (HsTG8)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 07:35 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 17, 2014 07:36 PM (xa1/W)
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Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 07:36 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 17, 2014 07:36 PM (4s6u1)
Those are the Malvinas, not Maldives.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 17, 2014 07:37 PM (lr3d7)
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Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 07:39 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: eman at March 17, 2014 07:39 PM (AO9UG)
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Maldives, not Malvinas.
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2014 07:39 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 17, 2014 07:39 PM (HsTG8)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 07:39 PM (aDwsi)
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Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at March 17, 2014 07:40 PM (jucos)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 11:28 PM (xSfiX)"
Damn, I'd have thought if there's one man who could raise a boy right it would be Lucas McCain.
Posted by: Psycho Dad at March 17, 2014 07:40 PM (C94J7)
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 07:40 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 17, 2014 07:41 PM (HsTG8)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 17, 2014 07:41 PM (eo3Zc)
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 17, 2014 07:41 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: The Dude at March 17, 2014 07:41 PM (bStrg)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 07:41 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: Hank Johnson at March 17, 2014 07:41 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 07:41 PM (aDwsi)
Wanted: Dead or Alive with Steve McQueen was good show too.
http://metvnetwork.com/shows/wanted-dead-or-alive
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 07:41 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 17, 2014 07:41 PM (fHhk+)
And now that I've educated myself...break time is over, back to work.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 17, 2014 07:42 PM (xa1/W)
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 07:43 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2014 07:43 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 17, 2014 07:43 PM (HVff2)
The last time the Air Force tried to kill the 'Hog in the 90s, there was a proposal to convert them to air tankers to fight wildfires, especially in the tight confines of canyons in SoCal. They were going to call it the FireHog.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2014 07:43 PM (AHzA7)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 17, 2014 07:43 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at March 17, 2014 07:44 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 07:44 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: RWC at March 17, 2014 07:44 PM (QeH9j)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2014 07:44 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 07:45 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: The Dude at March 17, 2014 11:41 PM (bStrg)
>>>>>>>>>>
THANK YOU! Now what's a Moose Knuckle?
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at March 17, 2014 07:45 PM (jucos)
Brilliant. I could save Guam that way.
Posted by: Hank Johnson at March 17, 2014 07:46 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 07:46 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 17, 2014 07:46 PM (HsTG8)
Posted by: eman at March 17, 2014 07:46 PM (AO9UG)
Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 17, 2014 07:46 PM (fHhk+)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 07:47 PM (aDwsi)
I suspect that this has a lot to do with why the Obama crew are trying to get rid of the A-10. Paying off elements of their base.
For as long as I can remember, the progtard left have been absolutely obsessed with the fact that the A-10 gun shoots DEPLETED URANIUM projectiles.
Deadly toxic radiation murdering Mother Earth eleventy!
I've actually read screeds about how the ammo for the gun is made from nuclear power plant waste (it's not), to deliberately wreak cancer havoc on innocent brown-skinned villagers, because Capitalism. Or because Imperialism. Or something something.
Come to think of it, wouldn't actually making ammo out of nuclear waste be a brilliant idea? Sure would get around Harry Reid and Obama having done away with the (extremely expensive federally funded hole in the ground) Yucca Mountain waste repository.
Instead, we'll just make the A-10s into robot drones and go shoot off all of the waste as a big fireworks show in Trashcanistan just before leaving. Bye! Hope you didn't plan to be growing any opium poppies in that soil!
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 07:47 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: RWC at March 17, 2014 07:47 PM (QeH9j)
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 07:47 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2014 07:47 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 17, 2014 07:47 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 17, 2014 07:48 PM (PiTrS)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 17, 2014 07:48 PM (HsTG8)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 17, 2014 07:48 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: RWC at March 17, 2014 07:49 PM (QeH9j)
Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 17, 2014 07:49 PM (fHhk+)
I recall that (Mattel?) made a Rifleman toy rifle with the flip-up auto-fire thingie.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 11:41 PM (aDwsi)
Had one of those. Great fun.
Loudest jet from outside, the Harrier. Always a great hit at air shows, and made the ground shake like Krakatoa when it hovers. Amazing.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2014 07:50 PM (AHzA7)
Just hope they don't end up like the F-14s.
Posted by: tu3031 at March 17, 2014 07:50 PM (yagOO)
Ironically, Eastern called it the "Whisperjet"
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LOL. And concur with the L-1011. Roomy, too.
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2014 07:50 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 17, 2014 07:51 PM (4s6u1)
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 07:51 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 17, 2014 07:52 PM (HsTG8)
Posted by: Barack the Traitor at March 17, 2014 07:52 PM (C94J7)
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Posted by: Barack Obama at March 17, 2014 07:53 PM (M3hAT)
Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at March 17, 2014 07:53 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 07:53 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Smart Military Blog at March 17, 2014 07:53 PM (fHhk+)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 07:53 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 17, 2014 07:53 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: tu3031 at March 17, 2014 07:54 PM (yagOO)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 07:54 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 07:54 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 17, 2014 07:54 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 07:55 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 07:55 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 17, 2014 07:55 PM (aH864)
Johny Cash. But in the show Start/End you never heard him sing the Lyrics.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 07:55 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 17, 2014 07:56 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: The Dude at March 17, 2014 07:56 PM (bStrg)
The last time the Air Force tried to kill the 'Hog in the 90s, there was a proposal to convert them to air tankers to fight wildfires, especially in the tight confines of canyons in SoCal. They were going to call it the FireHog.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2014 11:43 PM (AHzA7)
Last time we didn't have a majority of America hating douchebags. Hasn't the Warthog been slated to be retired more times than that one?
Guess this would one of That Fucking Guy's accomplishments.
Posted by: RWC at March 17, 2014 11:47 PM (QeH9j)
At least twice. Just before the Gulf War and just before 9/11.
Real life keeps rearing it's ugly head to keep the 'Hog around. What scares me is to think of what new foreign policy atrocity will be happening to make the 'Hog indispensable. Again.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2014 07:56 PM (AHzA7)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 07:56 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 07:56 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at March 17, 2014 07:57 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2014 11:47 PM (4Mv1T)
I think my parents would have gladly settled for that. When I got my red ryder BB gun I shot about 1/4 of the ornaments off the tree. lol
Mom was not amused.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 17, 2014 07:57 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 17, 2014 07:57 PM (4s6u1)
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 07:57 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 07:57 PM (xSfiX)
Mel Brooks said on the commentary track of the DVD (as I recall) that he wasn't sure if Laine ever knew the film wasn't a straight drama western.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 17, 2014 07:57 PM (HVI5a)
Posted by: nerdygirl at March 17, 2014 07:58 PM (1/IUa)
Was McQueen also in a movie about a guy about to be hanged?
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 11:54 PM (xSfiX)
Tom Horn.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2014 07:58 PM (AHzA7)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 07:58 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 07:58 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 07:59 PM (T1005)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 07:59 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at March 17, 2014 11:57 PM (AymDN)
manga was fucked up in a good way. I'm down for a live action flick
Posted by: The Dude at March 17, 2014 08:00 PM (bStrg)
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 08:00 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 08:00 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at March 17, 2014 08:00 PM (AymDN)
There is the song written by Johnny Cash and recorded with lyrics. But intro and end of show was just the music. Always bugged me to see that there was a song with lyrics listed in the credits but you never Hear Johny Cash's voice.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 08:00 PM (TI3xG)
We could sell all the hogs to Israel so they could use 'em on any hastily-repainted 777's they encounter.
JugEars won't do that, citing religious reasons. Hogs aren't kosher.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2014 08:01 PM (AHzA7)
CalFire fly a couple of Vietnam-veteran OV-10 Broncos. Beautiful aircraft.
Not as drop aircraft. The incident commanders use them to figure out how best to route the actual drop aircraft relative to the fire and the terrain. (Around here, the drop tankers are scary old PV-2 Neptunes that are way older than even the Broncos.)
The insane thing about the Bronco is that you can actually stuff a couple of parachutists in a little compartment at the rear. Pull up steeply to dump them out.
Apparently was a classic airshow trick, though I never have seen it done. Drop the hidden parachutists and then tell the crowd the crew bailed out. Oh no! The plane is still flying! No one's at the controls! Look out! Here it comes!
The original intent was to let the plane insert LRRP teams. I always thought it would be neat to repeat that with CalFire smoke jumpers instead.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 08:01 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: votermom at March 17, 2014 08:02 PM (4uUbz)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 08:02 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2014 08:02 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 08:03 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2014 08:03 PM (ABUkj)
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 08:04 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 17, 2014 08:04 PM (aTXUx)
Tom Horn.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
Well done!
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 18, 2014 12:00 AM (xSfiX)
Didn't even have to hit IMDB. The shocked look on McQueen's face when he's being sized up for the noose really stuck with me.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2014 08:04 PM (AHzA7)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2014 08:04 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Adriane is easily confused ... at March 17, 2014 08:04 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 08:04 PM (aDwsi)
Can Armed Service committees have any say on this? The A10 is a perfect CAS platform --
from what I've heard, troops love it esp when they hear that buurrrpt sound.
Posted by: NCwoof at March 17, 2014 08:04 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: The Hickster at March 18, 2014 12:00 AM
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ASCAP or whatever the heck that music union is. Every time a song is sung, a nickel hits the coin hox.
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2014 08:05 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: tu3031 at March 17, 2014 08:05 PM (yagOO)
Posted by: Malaysian Officials at March 17, 2014 08:05 PM (C94J7)
Posted by: Dave M at March 17, 2014 08:05 PM (Vm3v/)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 08:06 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 08:07 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Zombie Mary Daly at March 17, 2014 08:07 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 08:08 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: nerdygirl at March 17, 2014 08:08 PM (1/IUa)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 08:08 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 08:08 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 17, 2014 08:08 PM (HVff2)
Agreed. I had the pleasure of being stuffed into one of those in Afghanistan. I began to develop a hatred for them as a result.
Posted by: NR Pax at March 17, 2014 08:09 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: NCwoof at March 17, 2014 08:09 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: eman at March 17, 2014 08:10 PM (AO9UG)
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 08:10 PM (doBIb)
In my search the first show or shows had Cash singing.
http://tinyurl.com/mrq4va4
And in later ones they just did the music
http://tinyurl.com/k3r8uw4
Skip a minute or 2 in.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 08:10 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: lindafell at March 17, 2014 08:10 PM (PGO8C)
Posted by: thunderb at March 18, 2014 12:10 AM (zOTsN)
the lesbian witches I watch aren't kosher as I don't think pussy is in Halakha
Posted by: The Dude at March 17, 2014 08:11 PM (bStrg)
Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at March 17, 2014 08:12 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 17, 2014 08:12 PM (afNM6)
Posted by: The Hickster at March 18, 2014 12:00 AM (TI3xG)
I know that's the way it is on MeTV on Saturday morning when they show it.
Was it that way in 1959? Here's a quote from IMDB:
"Johnny Cash sang the theme song. Nick Adams wanted his good friend, Elvis Presley, to sing the song but the producers preferred Cash."
There is probably a problem with paying royalties.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 17, 2014 08:12 PM (4vQmk)
Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at March 18, 2014 12:12 AM (AymDN)
THE WAR ON PANTSU CONTINUES
Posted by: The Dude at March 17, 2014 08:12 PM (bStrg)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 17, 2014 08:13 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 08:13 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 17, 2014 08:13 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2014 08:13 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 08:14 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: RWC at March 17, 2014 08:14 PM (QeH9j)
Posted by: nerdygirl at March 17, 2014 08:14 PM (1/IUa)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 08:14 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 08:15 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2014 08:15 PM (ABUkj)
torquewrench, CalFire also leases those huge Mars converted seaplanes from Canada, correct? The last flying PB-4Y (naval patrol version of the B-24) is based in AZ and I think also serves as a water-bomber. Saw it at El Centro on Sunday at the Blue Angels' kick-off show, but it was back in WWII livery (actually mostly unpainted bright aluminum); when I first saw it and heard of it at the 2011 centennial of naval aviation at North Island it was in its firefighting paint job of orange and white.
kdabear, you should check out the Planes of Fame airshow in Chino, CA some time (usually in May). Haven't been in a few years, but first time I went in 2007 I think they had over 40 warbirds (WWII aircraft) aloft. At one point did an air parade with all of them - amazing ("the sound of round" as all those radial engines created a massive low rumble). I think that all 4 (5?) flying P-38s were there (escorting two B-25s). I remember a P-38 was helping narrate at that point and choked up - he couldn't believe he'd ever see such a sight again in his life.
Posted by: non-purist at March 17, 2014 08:15 PM (afQnV)
I think you mean Jimmy Hoffa. He disappeared
We know what happened to Elvis there's just some that claim it was faked. (probably because of the ignominious circumstances of his death)
The sightings you see in the tabloids are just stories.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Awaiting Armageddon) at March 17, 2014 08:16 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: non-purist at March 17, 2014 08:16 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 17, 2014 08:16 PM (rDidD)
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 08:17 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 17, 2014 08:17 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Cheri at March 17, 2014 08:17 PM (VDGzf)
Steck when you move down, let me know. I'm interested in doing the Appleseed with my kids when they're old enough.
Posted by: lindafell at March 18, 2014 12:10 AM (PGO8C)
Believe me, the whole horde will know when we move!
I just read that an Austin range might be added later this year.
How old are the kids?
Posted by: Steck at March 17, 2014 08:18 PM (5i94q)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at March 17, 2014 08:19 PM (AQTz3)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 17, 2014 08:19 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: RWC at March 17, 2014 08:19 PM (QeH9j)
Posted by: Dark Star at March 17, 2014 08:19 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2014 08:19 PM (4Mv1T)
That's probably it. They also blur out the Cigarette ads that papered on the board too. You still see the Colgate image and some others but I know what a blurry rectangle would have been in the 60s.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 08:19 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 17, 2014 08:19 PM (aTXUx)
AA missiles have gotten better in 35 years. The A-10 is now pretty vulnerable.
It wouldn't do a lot of good against rogue airliners. They have 150 MPH on it.
We need an airplane to fulfill its mission. We should have been working on that 25 years ago. But we developed other needs.
I am accustomed to asking what other aircraft, or mission, you'd rather have the Air Force abandon -- keeping in mind that you need to keep a dogfighter to protect the A-10, if you plan to use it. The real question is, what civilian benefit, education or welfare program, do you think you can get the people of the country to give up, to allow the amount of money they won't pay for this?
Perhaps in your conversations with family and neighbors you might impress on them how much more important this program is than their current favorite. It would certainly be interesting to hear your reports of those encounters.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 17, 2014 08:20 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at March 17, 2014 08:20 PM (HxSXm)
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 17, 2014 08:21 PM (JMmQ9)
Posted by: lindafell at March 17, 2014 08:21 PM (PGO8C)
Yeah, they're kind of slow, but that is by design...allows more time over target, plus it's very maneuverable. I mean, the damn thing can practically turn inside itself.
I was talking to a retired Marine Sargent Major recently who had experience in Iraq and he told me the Jarheads absolutely loved to see the 'Hog' fly over in close air ground support.
Posted by: ObamaCare Hurts My Ass at March 17, 2014 08:21 PM (R5lpX)
Posted by: The Dude at March 17, 2014 08:22 PM (bStrg)
Posted by: NCwoof at March 17, 2014 08:22 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 17, 2014 08:22 PM (afNM6)
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 08:23 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: Trimegistus at March 17, 2014 08:23 PM (qOAs1)
The Real Green revolution. Norman Borlaug.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_Wheat_Research_and_Production_Program
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 08:23 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: rickl at March 17, 2014 08:24 PM (sdi6R)
Hard to hear that. Sorry for your friend.
I talked at one point with a guy who flew in the Bronco during the Late Unpleasantness in southeast Asia. Flew "in" them as an observer/controller, not as a pilot.
He said, yeah, he would not have wanted to crash, ditch, bail out from, or lose an engine while low and slow in the Bronco, but for the role, once in the air, he said it was brilliant. Quick, wildly maneuverable, excellent visibility. (These are pretty much the reasons why they are being used for fire spotting today.)
Before they put him in the Bronco, his unit flew slower less agile Cessnas for forward air observation, and he said his ass had a permanent pucker from that. He never flew one single flight in the Cessna after the first where he wasn't absolutely convinced that he would die from being shot down. The Bronco was more reassuring.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 08:24 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 17, 2014 08:24 PM (afNM6)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 17, 2014 08:24 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 08:25 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: RWC at March 17, 2014 08:26 PM (QeH9j)
Posted by: tu3031 at March 17, 2014 08:26 PM (yagOO)
Posted by: NCwoof at March 17, 2014 08:26 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: nerdygirl at March 17, 2014 08:27 PM (1/IUa)
Posted by: kbdabear at March 17, 2014 08:27 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 17, 2014 08:28 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: RWC at March 17, 2014 08:28 PM (QeH9j)
Posted by: nerdygirl at March 17, 2014 08:29 PM (1/IUa)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 17, 2014 08:29 PM (afNM6)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2014 08:29 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 17, 2014 08:29 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at March 17, 2014 08:30 PM (kqGWM)
What Austin range is being added? Where?
Linda, I wish I knew. I do remember that it actually has the word "Austin" in the name but that doesn't narrow it down. I just checked the appleseedinfo.org site, doesn't seem to be there yet.
Posted by: Steck at March 17, 2014 08:30 PM (5i94q)
Posted by: tu3031 at March 17, 2014 08:30 PM (yagOO)
The carrier combat drone which Northrop Grumman are building for the Navy, the X-47B, looks a whole lot like a miniaturized robot stealth bomber.
(And who built the original B-2 stealth bomber? Hmmmmm, Northrop.)
Its survival strategy for a contested environment without established air superiority is to simply sneak in without being noticed. At which it has pretty good odds.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 08:30 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 08:31 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: thunderb at March 17, 2014 08:31 PM (zOTsN)
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Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 08:31 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: ASCAP, SESAC, BMI at March 17, 2014 08:32 PM (HxSXm)
OTA with RCA antenna. BTW, I like any western in B&W. Old fashioned. Yep
Posted by: NCwoof at March 17, 2014 08:32 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 08:32 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: lindafell at March 17, 2014 08:33 PM (PGO8C)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2014 08:34 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2014 08:35 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 08:35 PM (xSfiX)
Co I worked for did the flight simulator back when graphics were coming into their own. Always wondered what all the stealth was about.
Posted by: NCwoof at March 17, 2014 08:36 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 08:37 PM (xSfiX)
Biggest danger? Potential midair with the aircraft being followed.
Military jets routinely fly in very close proximity, not least during midair refuelings. And the idea of flying close together to present a single radar return (at least to an unsophisticated civilian radar) is quite classic. The Israelis did this with the strike package en route to blow up Saddam's original nuclear reactor at Osirak in 1981.
But when military jets do this, they all are aware of what they're doing. They carefully coordinate turns and altitude changes. Shadowing someone who doesn't know that you are behind and close to them, and who won't tell you when they are about to do things, is a whole 'nother ball game.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 08:37 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Cheri at March 18, 2014 12:17 AM (VDGzf)
Biden is always the first name to come to mind when I hear the term
"clear message".
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 17, 2014 08:38 PM (4vQmk)
Posted by: EC at March 17, 2014 08:39 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at March 17, 2014 08:39 PM (HxSXm)
air-superiority fighters, so must operate only in an environment where
air superiority is already established.>>
As is the case for all Helicopters and ground troops. If you have not achieved air superiority all these assets are at risk. Cluster munitions and all kinds of bad shit fly above your army if you don't achieve air superiority. The A10 is the cheap survivable tool in the box for close air (loitering) support. Helicopters bring supplies, troops and do some of the A10 duties.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 08:39 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 08:39 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 08:41 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: that woman who called 911 over it at March 17, 2014 08:42 PM (X66C/)
Posted by: tu3031 at March 17, 2014 08:42 PM (yagOO)
Posted by: otho at March 17, 2014 08:43 PM (9gNQd)
Posted by: Cheri at March 18, 2014 12:17 AM (VDGzf)
How many would you like?
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 17, 2014 08:44 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at March 17, 2014 08:44 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Cryptocon at March 17, 2014 08:46 PM (cgWjy)
Did he have to dodge sniper fire the way Hillary did?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 17, 2014 08:49 PM (4vQmk)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 17, 2014 08:50 PM (afNM6)
Posted by: tu3031 at March 17, 2014 08:50 PM (yagOO)
Some fiscal planners have the idea that they can take an airplane capable of defending itself, and add a close air support function to that.
You have to kind of wonder how well that can work, don't you? But those planners are appointed by the executive branch of the government, and they get to say where money goes. They issue orders to the Air Force.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 17, 2014 08:51 PM (xq1UY)
When I was growing up, I thought oral analgesics were complete BS -- because aspirin does bupkis for me. Ibuprofen is the first one I ever took that actually worked.
And, yes, I spent the day taking down the foldable greenhouses on the patio, moving potted plants, and tearing apart cinderblock and redwood slat shelves -- why do you ask?
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 08:51 PM (T1005)
http://www.larryniven.net/stories/roentgen.shtml
Another modest proposal, for radioactive money. Nuking an enemy also counts as foreign aid!
Posted by: Epobirs at March 17, 2014 08:51 PM (bPxS6)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 08:51 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 08:52 PM (xSfiX)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEAVj3bgtLQ
The only MTVjay name I recall is Martha Quinn
Posted by: Forty Baht Barack at March 17, 2014 08:52 PM (zBhDP)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 17, 2014 08:53 PM (HVff2)
Some of those assets can defend themselves against fixed-wing air threats.
There have been a couple of proposals to stuff advanced air to air missiles into attack helicopters. Helmet cuing and all. There was one that came out of the original Longbow Apache concept, once they realized the radar was capable enough to easily handle the acquisition and handoff for that mission.
It keeps getting de-emphasized from the US side because of the long history of quickly attained US battlefield air superiority. Why fund and train for a mission that won't be needed? Shooting down enemy tacair from F-15s is easier than having Apaches do it.
Meanwhile, after the Cold War ended, one thing that was found out was that the Soviets had been desperate to put air to air capability into Red Army attack helos. Why? A-10.
The Sovs were never able to build an air to air radar small and cheap enough to wedge into the nose of a Hind, or else that might have prominently featured in planning for Fulda Gap scenarios.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 08:54 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Weekly World News at March 17, 2014 08:54 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2014 08:54 PM (ABUkj)
Posted by: Hans Gruber at March 17, 2014 08:54 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 17, 2014 08:55 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 08:56 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 08:57 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: NBC News at March 17, 2014 08:57 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 18, 2014 12:50 AM (afNM6)
There are no people living in Delaware--and I'm not even certain it actually exists.
Peruvia is another story entirely.
Posted by: tcn at March 17, 2014 08:59 PM (fwcEs)
Posted by: tcn at March 17, 2014 09:00 PM (fwcEs)
Posted by: Batboy at March 17, 2014 09:00 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 09:01 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 09:01 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 09:02 PM (xSfiX)
No you can't make a dragster that also is commuter car. I can't make a welder that is also a wrench.
But the best example is the Enduro motorcycle. Yes it can run on the road and the dirt. But A true Motocross bike is gonna kick it's ass in the dirt and a real road bike is gonna kick it's ass on the road. The tool box is how I build want my military to spend it's money. Some universal tools that are cheap/plentiful and then the specialized ones that can really fix specific problems.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 09:03 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 17, 2014 09:03 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 17, 2014 09:03 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 09:04 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Whiskey at March 17, 2014 09:04 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Vasily Borodin at March 17, 2014 09:05 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2014 09:06 PM (ABUkj)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 17, 2014 09:06 PM (ojnk6)
How I want our military to stock our toolbox.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 09:06 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 18, 2014 01:02 AM (xSfiX)
Gomer Pyle in the 21st century.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 17, 2014 09:06 PM (4vQmk)
Posted by: NCwoof at March 17, 2014 09:09 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: soothsayer
STOP THE PRESSES!! So you're saying a comedy is doing something unrealistic for a chuckle (show sucks but trying to get a chuckle none the less)
Posted by: The Dude at March 17, 2014 09:09 PM (bStrg)
Posted by: soothsayer the cynic at March 17, 2014 09:09 PM (xSfiX)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 17, 2014 09:09 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: Soona at March 17, 2014 09:11 PM (UxzBr)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 09:13 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 09:14 PM (lq3Ak)
capable of defending itself, and add a close air support function to
that.>>
No you can't make a dragster that also is commuter car. I can't make a welder that is also a wrench.
But the best example is the Enduro motorcycle. Yes it can run on the road and the dirt. But A true Motocross bike is gonna kick it's ass in the dirt and a real road bike is gonna kick it's ass on the road. The tool box is how I build want my military to spend it's money. Some universal tools that are cheap/plentiful and then the specialized ones that can really fix specific problems.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 18, 2014 01:03 AM (TI3xG) Hide posts from (TI3xG)
I actually had a Yamaha 100 Enduro, that my folks gave me when I was 13.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 09:14 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Forty Baht Barack at March 17, 2014 09:15 PM (pw2y7)
WHAT?!? Posted by: Whiskey at March 18, 2014 01:04 AM (lq3Ak) Hide posts from (lq3Ak)
No, seriously -- in both the US and UK, acetiminophen is either the #1 or #2 cause of acute (single-incident) liver failure. Chronic liver failure, OTOH.....
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 09:16 PM (T1005)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 17, 2014 09:20 PM (ojnk6)
I had a Yamaha 90 enduro that my parents were pissed I bought from the neighbor when I was 15.
Remember my Dad shaving and eating breakfast before taking me to the hospital after I broke my arm on it at our cabin.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 09:20 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 09:23 PM (aDwsi)
Last month I flew in a 777 from Dallas to Narita Japan non-stop. There range is something like 7000 to 9000 miles. My flight lasted 14 hours.Posted by: Soona at March 17, 2014 09:24 PM (UxzBr)
And here I took it as him trying to teach me a lesson that I might remember. Don't ignore your Mother dumbass.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 09:26 PM (TI3xG)
Now if he had ordered you to make the breakfast, that would really have been a bragging rights moment.
"Stop complaining and get those eggs and bacon going! Can't you see I'm busy here trying to shave?"
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 09:27 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 17, 2014 09:27 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 17, 2014 09:28 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 09:32 PM (lq3Ak)
777 range varies by model.
It also varies based on the amount of fuel taken on board.
The latter variable is determinative in this case. The amount of fuel the airport handlers' logs say that they loaded then implies a certain max range even under an idealized fuel-conserving flight profile.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 09:33 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 17, 2014 09:36 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 18, 2014 01:28 AM (aDwsi)
JetBlue? Sounds like something a pilot of JetBlue would do
Posted by: The Dude at March 17, 2014 09:37 PM (bStrg)
I always enjoy the late George Carlin's comparison of baseball versus football and what the two sports tell us about American culture.
"Baseball begins in the spring. When it's getting warm and the world is bursting with new life. Football begins in the fall. When it's getting cold and everything is dying."
"Baseball is a charming 19th century pastoral diversion. Football is a grim 20th century technological struggle."
And goes on from there.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 09:39 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 09:40 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: The Dude at March 17, 2014 09:40 PM (bStrg)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 09:41 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 18, 2014 01:40 AM (lq3Ak)
you've haven't been to Wrigley in the last 10 years or so, have you
Posted by: The Dude at March 17, 2014 09:41 PM (bStrg)
"Stop complaining and get those eggs and bacon going! Can't you see I'm busy here trying to shave?">>
I could see him doing that. telling me it was crap and having me wait for my Mother to cook it right.
I love my Dad even if it sounds like I'm whining. It was not life threatening at all and I'm sure the shave and breakfast only took a couple minutes (since My Mom was cooking it when I went out to ride). And learning life comes first before your candy ass was a good life lesson.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 09:42 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 17, 2014 09:45 PM (Ech5T)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 09:45 PM (lq3Ak)
To judge by the sort of advertising they run, there's never a Virgin America flight where someone's not going down on someone.
I know sex sells. Always has. When it comes to air travel, I'm not buying. Air travel was sexy once. It surely is not that in the age of the TSA and cattle-car economy class. Sell me safety. If you can give me the best odds around that I'll come back alive, I'll book a ticket with you.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 09:45 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 09:49 PM (lq3Ak)
So what teams do you think they will get traded to?
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 09:53 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: Adriane hasn't retired to her own island yet ... at March 17, 2014 09:55 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 17, 2014 09:56 PM (Ech5T)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 09:59 PM (lq3Ak)
I hope Posted by: Navycopjoe>>
I hope your right. Cause the Twins got nothing on the Horizon and I love a team built from the farm team vs the check book.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 10:00 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: Baldy at March 17, 2014 10:00 PM (2bql3)
"Stop complaining and get those eggs and bacon going! Can't you see I'm busy here trying to shave?">>
I could see him doing that. telling me it was crap and having me wait for my Mother to cook it right.
I love my Dad even if it sounds like I'm whining. It was not life threatening at all and I'm sure the shave and breakfast only took a couple minutes (since My Mom was cooking it when I went out to ride). And learning life comes first before your candy ass was a good life lesson.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 18, 2014 01:42 AM (TI3xG) Hide posts from (TI3xG)
There was this girl in college -- we ended up living together for 2-1/2 years, after which I thought we were practically married....while she thought we were practically single. But I digress.
I spent one summer at her dad's place, which also co-starred her two younger brothers. One time, the youngest had been riding a motorcycle to a friend's down the street (no helmet, no shoes, shorts, T-shirt -- it was just down the street), turned into his friend's driveway and hit a patch of sand and got road-rashed. So he rode back up the hill to the house and was in the garage, sitting on the step into the house, crying from the pain but not going inside because he'd leave bloody footprints....
So I'm inside, eating breakfast, oblivious to all this, and the older brother shows up, throws the door open, and drags the squawking younger brother in through the kitchen, across the living room, into the bathroom, and unceremoniously dumps him in the tub.
Your dad didn't live in SoCal, did he?
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 10:01 PM (T1005)
Posted by: concrete girl at March 17, 2014 10:02 PM (LhAqq)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 10:02 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Epobirs
Well, that sounds just about impossible, Sir! ...lol.
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 10:08 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: The Hickster
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That would be the M's.
"Hey, these guys Varitek and Lowe look pretty good, what should we do with them?"
"I know, let's trade 'em to Boston. Maybe we can get Slocum."
Posted by: jc at March 17, 2014 10:09 PM (PlzOe)
No Minnesota. But I got nothing on this North Dakota boy.
http://tinyurl.com/kvb62j3
Although the spinning shaft tore off both arms at the shoulders, Mr. Thompson managed to walk uphill about 500 yards to the house. But he couldn't open the door, so he walked into the garage and used his teeth to open another door, according to his uncle, Lynn Thompson.
Inside the house, he kicked open the door to the den, knocked the telephone receiver off the hook, picked up a pencil with his teeth and punched his cousin's number on the touch-tone phone. After notifying his cousin, Ms. Drury said, Mr. Thompson sat in the bathtub.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 10:10 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: Adriane hasn't retired to her own island yet ... at March 17, 2014 10:13 PM (qoKTg)
...and while that Mariners trade to Boston looks like one of the worst things evah!, it is probably not even in the Top Fifty Worst Trades in the "Modern Era". (1960's-Current).
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 10:16 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Adriane hasn't retired to her own island yet
On that note, I'm off.
Goodnight, Faire Horde.
*static*
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 10:18 PM (lq3Ak)
No Minnesota. But I got nothing on this North Dakota boy.
http://tinyurl.com/kvb62j3
Although the spinning shaft tore off both arms at the shoulders, Mr.
Thompson managed to walk uphill about 500 yards to the house. But he
couldn't open the door, so he walked into the garage and used his teeth
to open another door, according to his uncle, Lynn Thompson.
Inside
the house, he kicked open the door to the den, knocked the telephone
receiver off the hook, picked up a pencil with his teeth and punched his
cousin's number on the touch-tone phone. After notifying his cousin,
Ms. Drury said, Mr. Thompson sat in the bathtub.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 18, 2014 02:10 AM (TI3xG) Hide posts from (TI3xG)
Yeah, you gotta be tough out in ND....
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 10:21 PM (T1005)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at March 17, 2014 10:22 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: zombie at March 17, 2014 10:25 PM (mizYg)
"Acetiminophen does that, in a number of pain relievers. The largest cause of liver failures known."
WHAT?!?
Posted by: Whiskey at March 18, 2014 01:04 AM (lq3Ak)
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No, seriously -- in both the US and UK, acetiminophen is either the #1 or #2 cause of acute (single-incident) liver failure. Chronic liver failure, OTOH.....
Posted by: cthulhu
Ho! So let's make cannabis schedule 1 -- no known benefits and insidious effects if you even smoke 1 microgram.
Posted by: SFGoth at March 17, 2014 10:25 PM (ybN/b)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 18, 2014 02:16 AM (lq3Ak)
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http://preview.tinyurl.com/k2jdwzk
Posted by: jc at March 17, 2014 10:27 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: Adriane hasn't retired to her own island yet ... at March 17, 2014 10:30 PM (qoKTg)
I believe several of our founders foresaw this as the end game of "Democracy" There was a famous French? writer that did too but his name eludes me.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 10:34 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: Darrell at March 17, 2014 10:34 PM (5L5Uf)
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"Acetiminophen does that, in a number of pain relievers. The largest cause of liver failures known."
WHAT?!?
Posted by: Whiskey at March 18, 2014 01:04 AM (lq3Ak)
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No, seriously -- in both the US
and UK, acetiminophen is either the #1 or #2 cause of acute
(single-incident) liver failure. Chronic liver failure, OTOH.....
Posted by: cthulhu
Ho! So let's make cannabis schedule 1 -- no known benefits and insidious effects if you even smoke 1 microgram.
Posted by: SFGoth at March 18, 2014 02:25 AM (ybN/b) Hide posts from (ybN/b)
Yeah, the fact that acetaminophen has a serious body-count and is OTC, while cannabis has not a single overdose death (though plenty of misadventures while high....) and is on schedule 1 is exhibit A for "why politicians shouldn't be able to dictate drug policy".
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 10:35 PM (T1005)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 10:40 PM (T1005)
I found the nearest Walmart had two in stock but the boxes were so damaged I would never trust the contents to be intact. The next farthest store had one in an intact box but the price was $15 higher than on the Walmart site. Yet, I can order on the site and request it be deliver to the store for no additional cost.
Posted by: Epobirs at March 17, 2014 10:44 PM (bPxS6)
I had the misfortune of looking at the business end of an A-10 numerous times while stationed at Kunsan AB, ROK. They are stationed at Osan AB, and would fly down to the Kun to participate in our exercises. Thank God they were never actually shooting at us.
Nowadays I'm retired from the AF and while sitting at the smoking patio at my civilian job, I get to watch them in the landing pattern at Selfridge ANGB, Michigan. I hope the Air Force opens its eyes and realizes nothing at this time can replace the A-10.
Posted by: Bill R. at March 17, 2014 10:45 PM (QnRSM)
One of the reasons cannabis may be close to a schedule 1 now. Is due to govt interference. It was the driving impetus for concentrating THC. The shit now is nothing like what one bought in the 80s.
truth be told though I'm for legalizing everything and taking any govt safety net away. You do dumb shit you better hope some Church is out there to save you.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 17, 2014 10:46 PM (TI3xG)
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 17, 2014 10:48 PM (lq3Ak)
Posted by: Adriane hasn't retired to her own island yet ... at March 17, 2014 10:52 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 17, 2014 10:53 PM (afNM6)
Anyway, she went in to the jobsite afterwards, thoroughly banged up, and the locals proudly sent her off to the NHS......where she waited for three hours and got a bottle of paracetamol, with dosage instructions that would probably be illegal in the US, because.....paracetamol and acetaminophen are the same drug.
So, despite being ineffective in a great number of people, and having the lowest difference between clinical dose (the dose at which effects are noted) and LD-50 (the dose at which it kills 50% of the people taking it) [and no, I'm not making that up] of any OTC drug.....they're still handing 'em out like candy.
Any regulatory regime that wouldn't ban that crap is worse than useless, IMHO.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 10:56 PM (T1005)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 17, 2014 10:58 PM (afNM6)
while cannabis has not a single overdose death (though plenty of
misadventures while high....) and is on schedule 1 is exhibit A for "why
politicians shouldn't be able to dictate drug policy".>>
One of the reasons cannabis may be close to a schedule 1 now. Is due to govt interference. It was the driving impetus for concentrating THC. The shit now is nothing like what one bought in the 80s.
truth be told though I'm for legalizing everything and taking any govt safety net away. You do dumb shit you better hope some Church is out there to save you.
Posted by: The Hickster at March 18, 2014 02:46 AM (TI3xG) Hide posts from (TI3xG)
Cannabis is on schedule 1 today, and has been since they formalized the rules in the 60s.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 10:59 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Adriane hasn't retired to her own island yet ... at March 17, 2014 11:00 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 17, 2014 11:00 PM (afNM6)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 17, 2014 11:02 PM (afNM6)
Posted by: Adriane hasn't retired to her own island yet ... at March 17, 2014 11:02 PM (qoKTg)
Good thing I have a high tolerance for pain, and no plans to go to England any time soon. Posted by: model_1066 at March 18, 2014 02:58 AM (afNM6) Hide posts from (afNM6)
Let's put it this way -- if you'd had the same thing happen to you, taken the paracetamol offered....and when you still hurt, took two extra-strength Tylenol that you had in your luggage.....you would have a 50% chance of requiring a liver transplant to survive the next week. And you'd be in England.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 11:04 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Adriane hasn't retired to her own island yet ... at March 17, 2014 11:04 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 17, 2014 11:05 PM (afNM6)
Posted by: jc at March 18, 2014 02:27 AM (PlzOe)
I could fill up the ONT with seventy trades that are worse than that one. While Varitek went onto be the captain of the Red Sox, his stats weren't exactly those of "Johnny Bench". ...or even Pudge.
Remember that Pudge Rodriguez was the Mariners' catcher at that time.
I could tell you why the staff at "Bleacher Report" is a lazy bunch of incurious charlatans, but that would take time and actual numerical, non-fantastical, saber-metric curiosity.
Consider them the "BuzzFeed" of baseball sites. I've got more talent in my colon than they have on their entire staff.
That's not speaking highly of myself, either.
DAMNIT! I was headed to bed and now I have to read "Bleacher Report" garbage?!?
...screw it. It's my own damn fault for responding.
Posted by: Slapweasel at March 18, 2014 02:48 AM (lq3Ak)
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Rodriguez was never a Mariner. Dan Wilson was their catcher.
This trade is in everyone's list in the entire solar system but yours. So Varitek wasn't Bench? So what? Ignore him completely. Lowe for Slocum by itself was a shitty trade.
Posted by: jc at March 17, 2014 11:05 PM (PlzOe)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 17, 2014 11:07 PM (afNM6)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 17, 2014 11:07 PM (ybN/b)
That's some horrible fucking gibberish right there.
Posted by: Zombie Dr. Seuss at March 17, 2014 11:08 PM (h8Elu)
Posted by: Adriane hasn't retired to her own island yet ... at March 17, 2014 11:11 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 17, 2014 11:11 PM (afNM6)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 18, 2014 03:04 AM (T1005)
So, a coin flip to determine if I'm coming home in pain or a body bag. Posted by: model_1066 at March 18, 2014 03:07 AM (afNM6) Hide posts from (afNM6)
Or were chugging Advil or Motrin like they were M&Ms. You slam half a vial of ibuprofen, you'll probably get an ulcer.....you take the wrong three pills of acetaminophen, you need someone else's liver and a surgical team, in a hurry. That shit should never have been licensed and should have been banned as the bodies stacked up.....but they're still advertising on TV.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 11:12 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Adriane hasn't retired to her own island yet ... at March 17, 2014 11:14 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 18, 2014 03:07 AM (ybN/b) Hide posts from (ybN/b)
I could see "ban 'em both"; I could see "allow 'em both"; I could see "ban that hazardous Tylenol shit and leave cooking herbs for people to deal with on their own" -- but you were exactly correct: putting cannabis on schedule 1 while allowing acetaminophen OTC is a prima facie case that the system is totally corrupt.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 11:15 PM (T1005)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 17, 2014 11:16 PM (afNM6)
Posted by: model_1066 at March 17, 2014 11:21 PM (afNM6)
From 1998 to 2003, acetaminophen was the leading cause of acute liver failure in the United States, with 48% of acetaminophen-related cases (131 of 275) associated with accidental overdose.A 2007 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) population-based report estimates that, nationally, there are 1600 cases of acute liver failure (ALF) each year (all causes). Acetaminophen-related ALF was the most common etiology.2Summarizing data from three different surveillance systems, there were an estimated 56,000 emergency room visits, 26,000 hospitalizations, and 458 deaths related to acetaminophen-associated overdoses per year during the 1990-1998 period.3 In a study that combined data from 22 specialty medical centers in the United States, acetaminophen-related liver injury was the leading cause of ALF for the years 1998 through 2003.1 This study also found that a high percentage of cases of liver injury due to acetaminophen were related to unintentional overdose, in which the patient mistakenly took too much acetaminophen. This finding was confirmed in a later study (2007).2 Many other cases of acute liver injury are caused by intentional overdoses of acetaminophen (i.e., associated with self-harm).Across various studies, consumers were found to have taken more than the recommended dose when using an OTC product, a prescription product, or both. The Toxic Exposure Surveillance System (TESS), now named the National Poison Data System (NPDS), which captures data from calls to 61 poison control centers, provides additional data on acetaminophen overdose and serious injury. In 2005, TESS showed that calls about poisoning cases that resulted in major injury numbered 1,187 for OTC single-ingredient products, 653 for OTC combination products, and 1,470 for prescription-opioid combination products.
Posted by: SFGoth at March 17, 2014 11:22 PM (ybN/b)
On acetaminophen: if you have to go in to the hospital, be damned sure to list that stuff as an allergy, or nine times out of ten they'll end up slipping it (perhaps disguised in a combination pill) into your med stream.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 11:22 PM (gqT4g)
the air is filled with the crowing of cocks, the joking of jocks, the
droning of clones, the sniveling of snookers and snudges, the noisy
parades and processions of prickers. Such is cockocracy/jockocracy, the State of supranational, supernatural erections. . . ."<<<
That's some horrible fucking gibberish right there.
Posted by: Zombie Dr. Seuss at March 18, 2014 03:08 AM (h8Elu) Hide posts from (h8Elu)
Oh, c'mon -- tell me that "In Xanadu did Kubla Khan / A stately pleasure-dome decree / where Alph, the sacred river, ran / through caverns measureless to man / down to a sunless sea" or "'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves / did gyre and gimble in the wabe / all mimsy were the borogoves / and the mome raths outgrabe" hold no poetry for you?
I mean, "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" is probably entirely wasted on you.....
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 11:23 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Adriane hasn't retired to her own island yet ... at March 17, 2014 11:24 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: cthulhu
Like Shakespeare, it is best read in the original Klingon.
Posted by: SFGoth at March 17, 2014 11:24 PM (ybN/b)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 18, 2014 03:15 AM (T1005)
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Carrie Nation and the crowd. The whole "ban stuff" movement was all the rage for a few decades and it included alcohol prohibition. However, rolling back the prohibition movement in the 30's only advanced as far as alcohol. The other ground was ceded permanently, or at least to date.
Cannabis laws are pretty much a 1906-192? phenomena. Cocaine and other drugs were covered by the Harrison Act in 1914. Prohibition -- 1920. Same people, same movement. Remind you of anything you see around you now?
Posted by: jc at March 17, 2014 11:27 PM (PlzOe)
Given that I live in S.F., no. LOL Well, ok, they want to ban speech, but not intoxicants.
Posted by: SFGoth at March 17, 2014 11:29 PM (ybN/b)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 18, 2014 03:29 AM (ybN/b)
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and exhaling, and cars, and suburbs, and irrigation, and hydropower, and all forms of nuclear energy, and thinking for yourself, and considering your offspring to be your children, and saying anything critical about any leftist, and..., and, and, and...................
Posted by: jc at March 17, 2014 11:31 PM (PlzOe)
At some point a NorCal MoMee has to happen.
With Val-U-Rite. But without acetaminophen.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 17, 2014 11:32 PM (gqT4g)
At some point a NorCal MoMee has to happen.
With Val-U-Rite. But without acetaminophen.
Posted by: torquewrench
Totally up for it. There's a Japanese whisky bar I've always wanted to try.
Posted by: SFGoth at March 17, 2014 11:33 PM (ybN/b)
Posted by: cthulhu at March 18, 2014 03:12 AM (T1005)
Doesn't the toxic effect on the liver get much more severe when you drink? I seem to remember that on the warning label. But then again, if you're drinking, why take another pain killer? I have the typical aches and pains, but never take anything...many bottles of aspirin have been thrown out for being expired before they are opened, and I have never purchased any other pain reliever. Mostly I buy the aspirin in case guests need it. Posted by: model_1066 at March 18, 2014 03:21 AM (afNM6) Hide posts from (afNM6)
Yes, the toxic effects are worse when you drink....but they're sufficiently bad that they should command respect on their own. And it's a "secret ingredient" in way, way, way, way too many things -- like certain flavors of Alka-seltzer (severe sinus congestion and cough, and possibly others) or Theraflu.
Myself, I reflexively won't have it in my house. If has acetaminophen on the label, I don't buy it -- and if I discover it in my home, I throw it out. I treat it in exactly the same way as I'd treat sugar packets that had a tiny asterisk next to the sugar and "* we're kidding -- it's rat poison." elsewhere.
Here's some cheery folks -- http://tinyurl.com/pcgzkd4
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 11:35 PM (T1005)
On acetaminophen: if you have to go in to the hospital, be damned sure to list that stuff as an allergy, or nine times out of ten they'll end up slipping it (perhaps disguised in a combination pill) into your med stream.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 18, 2014 03:22 AM (gqT4g) Hide posts from (gqT4g)
Oooh....I like that. A "trick" that may save my life someday. I'll have to remember.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 11:37 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Adriane hasn't retired to her own island yet ... at March 17, 2014 11:39 PM (qoKTg)
"Given that I live in S.F., no."
At some point a NorCal MoMee has to happen.
With Val-U-Rite. But without acetaminophen.
Posted by: torquewrench
Totally up for it. There's a Japanese whisky bar I've always wanted to try.
Posted by: SFGoth at March 18, 2014 03:33 AM (ybN/b) Hide posts from (ybN/b)
I met up with Gabe and a bunch of other morons on Telegraph in Berkeley [talk about the Heart of Darkness] some years back....carpooled up with Dianna. Good times.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 11:40 PM (T1005)
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Posted by: Adriane hasn't retired to her own island yet ... at March 17, 2014 11:41 PM (qoKTg)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 17, 2014 11:42 PM (ybN/b)
holee cow! Posted by: Adriane hasn't retired to her own island yet ... at March 18, 2014 03:41 AM (qoKTg) Hide posts from (qoKTg)
....and now you get why I'm so rabid about it. You take two products for two things from two different manufacturers and you get that much closer to a big red line....and have a bottle of wine with dinner and go over. How much does that suck?
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 11:45 PM (T1005)
holee cow! Posted by: Adriane
My super potent ginger squares contain no acetaminaphen. :-> The last thing I need when I'm litigating San Francisco land use policies is a sick liver.
Posted by: SFGoth at March 17, 2014 11:46 PM (ybN/b)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 18, 2014 03:42 AM (ybN/b) Hide posts from (ybN/b)
Your home just became that much safer. *Cheers!*
Posted by: cthulhu at March 17, 2014 11:48 PM (T1005)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 17, 2014 11:50 PM (ybN/b)
Posted by: I'm lazy and stupid, so sue me at March 18, 2014 12:02 AM (PGiec)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 18, 2014 03:50 AM (ybN/b) Hide posts from (ybN/b)
In the greater scheme of things, "chewed/clawed arm" and "liver transplant" are in different orders of magnitude.
There are business-response-to-crisis seminars to this day that hearken back to J&J's response to Tylenol tampering [where 7 people near Chicago died from Tylenol adulterated with potassium cyanide in 1982].....but as SFGoth brought in @617, there were 275 cases of acetaminophen deaths in a five-year period WITHOUT the cyanide. In other words, you were almost 40 times more likely to die from acetaminophen being bad shit in the first place as you were to die from it being poisoned.
Posted by: cthulhu at March 18, 2014 12:03 AM (T1005)
Posted by: SFGoth at March 18, 2014 12:11 AM (ybN/b)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aclS1pGHp8o
Posted by: Epobirs at March 18, 2014 12:15 AM (bPxS6)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 18, 2014 12:16 AM (bitz6)
I'd encourage people to go through the first couple of dozen and see if they don't get hooked -- http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff100/fv00001.htm
Posted by: cthulhu at March 18, 2014 12:18 AM (T1005)
Currently, the only web comic I feel compelled to read day it has new material is Girl Genius but then I've been a Phil Foglio fans since the days of Dragon Magazine in the late 70s. I probably spent more time reading Dragon than actually playing any pen and paper RPG. I didn't know too many other people with an interest and was more interested in the design side than the actual playing.
Posted by: Epobirs at March 18, 2014 12:24 AM (bPxS6)
Machinery? Swarf? Oil?
This all sounds terribly industrial.
And as we all know, industry has been banned by government edict here in Northern Commiefornia, as a dire threat to the planet.
Posted by: torquewrench at March 18, 2014 12:26 AM (gqT4g)
Currently, the only web comic I feel compelled to read day it has new material is Girl Genius but then I've been a Phil Foglio fans since the days of Dragon Magazine in the late 70s. I probably spent more time reading Dragon than actually playing any pen and paper RPG. I didn't know too many other people with an interest and was more interested in the design side than the actual playing.
Posted by: Epobirs at March 18, 2014 04:24 AM (bPxS6) Hide posts from (bPxS6)
One of the things that's funny -- and, again, we just swapped a couple -- is that there's a meta-narrative that Pournelle said good stuff -> he's got people responding and engaging -> he feels like contacting and thanking Pournelle about this response and engagement -> and is telling me, a guy who just sent him an email out-of-the-blue, how awkward it would be to send Jerry an email out-of-the-blue.
Great guy, doing good work, much recommended. Hell, use the website's email to say you heard of him from me.....and he might get awkward about sending me email. </snark>
Posted by: cthulhu at March 18, 2014 12:40 AM (T1005)
"Fred" is a Boston Fern that lives outside in the shade when it's nice. During the winter, he comes inside to occupy the shower of the hall bathroom. His scruffy butt got moved outside today, and tomorrow I'll be vacuuming shedding.
There's also "Vern" [Vern the Fern] who is an Australian Sword Fern who actually lives in a pot on our driveway. It's a microclimate better suited to a cactus than a traditional fern, but Vern seems to thrive there.
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