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March 08, 2014

Saturday Car Thread 03/08/14 - [Niedermeyer's Dead Horse & Countrysquire]
— Open Blogger

Good afternoon my lovelies.

LetÂ’s get to it.

Chrysler orders that donated Vipers be destroyed.

IÂ’m not in the least bit worked up about this. ItÂ’s a shame but the colleges had an agreement with Chrysler and abuse of that agreement cost Fiat millions. Further, the college admits that there is little educational value in the car. Then, thereÂ’s this little bit of wackiness:

Â“ItÂ’s like the day Kennedy was shot,Â” Norm Chapman, automotive technology professor at SPSCC, said. Â“No one will forget where they were when they heard the news.Â”

Get some perspective, dude.

An old story, but a good one: A 102-year old man owned the same car for 78 years: A 1928 Rolls Royce.

The science is settled! Marijuana contributes to deadly car crashes.

Not so fastÂ…

Is pot really to blame for these accidents? Unlike alcohol, marijuana can remain in the bloodstream for weeks after it has been consumed -- possibly affecting driving skills, possibly not. (Consider this: CNN found that Washington's limit of five nanograms of THC per milliliter of blood wasn't nearly high enough to negatively impact driving.) The study's authors caution that their findings don't indicate that the drivers were impaired from pot at the time of their accident, only that they had used pot sometime in the recent past.

Beware Mother's bearing scientific "data".

Lifestyles of the rich and infamous:

It seems that "Wow!" means the same thing everywhere.

Beauty of the week:

I can only think of a couple cars introduced in the last dozen or so years which are worth as much now as when they were new, and neither are getting cheaper. The incredible Ford GT is one, and the BMW Z8 presented here is the other.

While itÂ’s hard to argue with the opinion that the Ian Callum designed Aston Martins are the most beautiful cars of this generation, I feel the Z8 deserves the spot at the top. While BMWÂ’s goal was to build a car that looked like a modern day 507, and it did capture the grace of that car, the proportions and aggressive stance made it something of a modern Bavarian 427 Cobra. And thereÂ’s not a bad line on the car, itÂ’s wonderful from any angle, an achievement very few cars can claim. From the retro interior with the banjo steering wheel, to the neon taillights, I love everything about it. Plus, it powered by the 4.9 liter V8 from the E39 M5, so itÂ’s got that going for it. Simply superb.

Cruising tune of the week:

For the Moronettes:

For the Morons:

And a bonus pic:

Please feel free to send any complaints or commendations to us at Nied's Dead Horse and Countrysquire.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 11:15 AM | Comments (250)
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1 What happened to the post. I blame racism and Barky. Mostly Bush.

Posted by: Weirdflunky at March 08, 2014 11:19 AM (s0pAz)

2 testing

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 08, 2014 11:20 AM (DmNpO)

3 The SCOAMF is a gutless pussy.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 08, 2014 11:21 AM (+iqDb)

4 It's a shame about the Vipers. One never likes to see 100 plus thousand dollar perfectly good cars being crushed. I had a boss that had a Red Viper. Scary fast it was. You would be going 80 miles an hour before it even felt like you were moving. His kid crashed it and he didn't replace it.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at March 08, 2014 11:22 AM (jucos)

5 Holy crap, first time first?

Posted by: urethra franklin at March 08, 2014 11:22 AM (yhJhK)

6 dang! I nver gets no rspect.

Posted by: urethra franklin at March 08, 2014 11:23 AM (yhJhK)

7 It's the amazing disappearing and reappearing car thread!

Posted by: Insomniac at March 08, 2014 11:23 AM (+iqDb)

8 It's the amazing disappearing and reappearing car thread! *** Yeah. There was an open bold tag in there that I had a hard time locating.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 08, 2014 11:24 AM (DmNpO)

9 I saw Open Bold Tag open for the Foo Fighters in LA in '11.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at March 08, 2014 11:25 AM (jucos)

10 Too bad about those Vipers. Those are badass looking cars.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 08, 2014 11:25 AM (+iqDb)

11 Yeah. There was an open bold tag in there that I had a hard time locating.
Those things are tricky.

Posted by: Gene Rodenberry at March 08, 2014 11:25 AM (Ua6T/)

12 Kaa-aaahhn!!

Posted by: Gene Rodenberry at March 08, 2014 11:27 AM (Ua6T/)

13 The crushing of the Vipers appears to be a mix of lawyers and donating to idiots.
They had to pay out million dollar settlements because a couple of the non street legal vipers had been involved in accidents on the street.

Posted by: The Hickster at March 08, 2014 11:27 AM (TI3xG)

14 There was an open bold tag in there that I had a hard time locating. It's always in the last place you look.

Posted by: useless advice at March 08, 2014 11:28 AM (RnvrB)

15 Hey, any you guys know the way to the tenth hole? I got lost somehow and walked in here and thought you might know.

Posted by: President Barack Hussein Obama at March 08, 2014 11:29 AM (yhJhK)

16 I'm sure you NE car buffs know about it, but if you ever find yourself around Cape Cod, The Heritage Museum and Gardens in Sandwich has a world class collection of antique cars. Went a few times a kid, haven't been in decades. That Rolls reminds me of some of their cars.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 08, 2014 11:29 AM (ZshNr)

17 Not so fast on the Vipers. I read a story that said Chrysler/Fiat denied that there had been any joy riding and that they had NOT been legally liable for millions of bucks. I'm not sure that "reason" isn't made up. IMO they should just donate the cars to the respective schools to do with as they see fit and take the write off. Most of the schools would likely sell them for a tidy sum.

Posted by: Weirddave at March 08, 2014 11:29 AM (N/cFh)

18 Mmmmm, sandwich...

Posted by: Homer Simpson at March 08, 2014 11:30 AM (yhJhK)

19 I've got a '63 Pontiac parked in the backyard in need of restoration. Whenever I read car stories, guilt feelings occur. Someday I'll get the little beauty fixed up.

Posted by: fairweather bill at March 08, 2014 11:30 AM (xJB4C)

20 That BMW Z8 is a looker Never would have been possible during the Chris Bangle era, he made the most hideous designs when he was with BMW.

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2014 11:32 AM (aTXUx)

21 As far as the pot laws and driving under the influence goes, unless and until someone comes up with a valid impairment test, this will be an ongoing clusterf%^$. If you smoke a joint today and two weeks from now thc can be detected in your blood you are technically DUI. Only an idiot or someone who has never smoked pot would believe you're still impaired.

Posted by: Weirdflunky at March 08, 2014 11:32 AM (s0pAz)

22 I think they should just leave the vipers somewhere with the keys in the ignition. By accident. Like, for example, my driveway. I'd figure out something to do with one.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 08, 2014 11:32 AM (qyfb5)

23 When you're driving on Rt. 6 at the Cape, there's a highway sign that reads something like "Mashpee" 2 miles, "Sandwich" 5 miles. Hahahaha! Mashed Pea Sandwich! Loved that sign when I was a kid.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 08, 2014 11:33 AM (ZshNr)

24 "It's like the day Kennedy was shot." Except it's a car and it was neither alive nor our President. But other than that, major, major disturbance in the Force, duuuuuude!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 08, 2014 11:34 AM (HsTG8)

25 Grew up in a sound GM/partial Chrysler family. No Fords on the place other than a tractor. My how the times change. Ford and Chrysler today and while the Ford tractor is still there.........we've got a nice Kubota too.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 08, 2014 11:34 AM (v7+/1)

26 I saw that thing on the Vipers earlier this week. The speculation was that Chrysler had been sued following a wreck with one of those involved and they were doing this for liability reasons. Chrysler denied it but gave no other reason. Its a damn crying shame.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 11:34 AM (T2V/1)

27 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 08, 2014 03:32 PM (qyfb5) You don't take vacation for the full month of August, do you?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 08, 2014 11:35 AM (HsTG8)

28 For the Morons: Mmmmm ..... Raquel ..

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2014 11:35 AM (aTXUx)

29 Funny there's a Z8 there - I was just looking at them online last night. The prices were supposed to go down in theory. (getting the wants for a convertible). I guess they're still hovering around $100k.

However, one of the most beautiful cards ever produced IMHO was actually for sale on ebay motors - I never see them. The Alfa Romeo Montreal. Very, very tempting. An odd cream color though.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at March 08, 2014 11:35 AM (pgQxn)

30 What do you think the chances are that the Viper story is big news only because of the recent Corvette Sinkhole story? Reporters are kind of dull herd creatures, after all.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 08, 2014 11:36 AM (qyfb5)

31 Not so fast on the Vipers. I read a story that said Chrysler/Fiat denied that there had been any joy riding and that they had NOT been legally liable for millions of bucks.>>

I had read the joy riding explanation but I'll accept it could be BS. But if Chrysler/Fiat had no liability what possible advantage PR wise or any other way would they gain from this?

Posted by: The Hickster at March 08, 2014 11:36 AM (TI3xG)

32 You want a boobehs post You'll take a Car post You'll get an Ace ONT post *just kidding NDH! Good job!*

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 08, 2014 11:37 AM (oFCZn)

33 ItÂ’s a shame but the colleges had an agreement with Chrysler and abuse of that agreement cost Fiat millions.

Predatory lawyers should be put thru the crusher.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2014 11:39 AM (DL2i+)

34 In honor of International Womens Day, here's a pic of a woman fixing her own BMW, showing they are more than their ladyparts http://tinyurl.com/qx9vlqb

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2014 11:40 AM (aTXUx)

35 21 As far as the pot laws and driving under the influence goes, unless and until someone comes up with a valid impairment test, this will be an ongoing clusterf%^$. If you smoke a joint today and two weeks from now thc can be detected in your blood you are technically DUI. Only an idiot or someone who has never smoked pot would believe you're still impaired. Posted by: Weirdflunky at March 08, 2014 03:32 PM (s0pAz) I don't know how they'll deal with this issue. Twenty years or so ago I worked with a lady that was earning a teaching degree. She was so excited to finish and get a change to work and she failed the drug test. It came back positive for heroin. I knew it was a false positive because this lady simply didn't do drugs. Showed up for work all the time, on time, worked, etc. Not a junkie or even part time user of anything. She didn't even drink. I asked her if she'd eaten anything with poppy seeds on it. Yep, she'd had a couple of bagels covered with them. That will return a false positive on a drug test. I felt so bad for her. I left the company soon after and to this day don't know how that shook out for her.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 08, 2014 11:42 AM (oFCZn)

36 Choose your tow truck operator carefully: https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/KBxSntGGm8U?rel=0

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 11:42 AM (aDwsi)

37 34 Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2014 03:40 PM (aTXUx)

Damn, she needs some ramps so she can fit under the car. I have some so she should come here to work on her car.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 11:42 AM (T2V/1)

38 Â“ItÂ’s like the day Kennedy was shot,Â” Norm Chapman, automotive technology professor at SPSCC, said. Â“No one will forget where they were when they heard the news.Â” Dude, the test's over.

Posted by: Marijuana Researchers at March 08, 2014 11:42 AM (TVDmb)

39 How often while driving a Z8 stoned would one hallucinate the line clearing saw helicopter from 007?

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2014 11:44 AM (DL2i+)

40 34 In honor of International Womens Day, here's a pic of a woman fixing her own BMW, showing they are more than their ladyparts http://tinyurl.com/qx9vlqb Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2014 03:40 PM (aTXUx) The bumper is resting on them. No carjack needed!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 08, 2014 11:47 AM (oFCZn)

41 Hahahaha! Mashed Pea Sandwich! Loved that sign when I was a kid.
I liked Quaker Meeting House Road and Shoot Flying Hill Road. those are impressively long names.

Posted by: fluffy at March 08, 2014 11:47 AM (Ua6T/)

42 Paging Lee Iacocca

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 11:51 AM (aUQgu)

43 I had read the joy riding explanation but I'll accept it could be BS. But if Chrysler/Fiat had no liability what possible advantage PR wise or any other way would they gain from this? Posted by: The Hickster ------------------- They write off the value of the cars from taxes. Perfectly good, valuable stuff is destroyed for that reason all of the time.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 11:52 AM (aDwsi)

44 In Cerro Gordo, NC there is a Rough and Ready Road. A place where people wave to you mostly from Ford pickups

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 11:53 AM (aUQgu)

45 Warwoman Road, in Georgia. Great road to ride.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 11:55 AM (aDwsi)

46 Down in S.C., Burnt Church road. No one remembers where the church was.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 11:56 AM (aDwsi)

47 I can only think of a couple cars introduced in the last dozen or so years which are worth as much now as when they were new, and neither are getting cheaper. The incredible Ford GT is one, and the BMW Z8 presented here is the other. Since you didn't include a pic of the Ford GT, I will oblige you... In the spirit of International Womens Day and the Car Thread.. http://tinyurl.com/l9ucvrq

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2014 11:57 AM (aTXUx)

48 Oh my word, she is quite the cutie.

Posted by: Ronster at March 08, 2014 12:01 PM (puNd6)

49 They write off the value of the cars from taxes. Perfectly good, valuable stuff is destroyed for that reason all of the time.>>

So in the end it's the insane rules of the taxman then. The colleges don't want to take on the value of the donation. And C/F unloads millions off their books by having them destroyed.

Posted by: The Hickster at March 08, 2014 12:03 PM (TI3xG)

50 45 Reminded me of 52 Black Vincent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW-w0KgE-8s

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 12:04 PM (aUQgu)

51 They write off the value of the cars from taxes. Perfectly good, valuable stuff is destroyed for that reason all of the time. Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 03:52 PM (aDwsi) They just write it off!!

Posted by: Cosmo Kramer at March 08, 2014 12:04 PM (aTXUx)

52 I used to have a few childhood haunts that were named in the Revolutionary Era. Tory Fort Cave, Spy Pond, stuff like that. Always loved that stuff.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 08, 2014 12:05 PM (ZshNr)

53 Let's see, all my comments in one shot... Vipers - if there is one production car of the last thirty years - fast as hell, squirrelly as hell, and utterly free of nanny gadgets - you don't want an untutored 18yo male driving around, that's it. Phantom 1 - my favorite Roller. The Springfield cars were LHD and had a 3-speed transmissions IIRC. BMW Z8 - ah, the flawed beauty. Designed when BMW was still figuring out how to do aluminum structures. Shock top-mounts didn't spread the load enough causing the mount towers to 'dome' and deform the structure. First sign was that your hood shutline was starting to get wavy, it'd happen in back too. As I recall once the body structure was damaged it couldn't be fixed, BMW spent a bunch of money rebuilding cars on new bodies. Raquel - so what is that she's leaning on? Ferrari? Iso?

Posted by: JEM at March 08, 2014 12:06 PM (o+SC1)

54
Saw perfection yesterday. Parked on the street was a lime green new VW Beetle, and the driver standing beside it was a redhead that had color coordinated her 60s style outfit, mod print tunic and surf pants, in matching shades of green.

Dude! LA in the Spring.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 08, 2014 12:07 PM (kdS6q)

55 51 - You don't know what a write-off is!

Posted by: Jerry at March 08, 2014 12:07 PM (aDwsi)

Twenty years or so ago I worked with a lady that was earning a teaching degree. She was so excited to finish and get a change to work and she failed the drug test. It came back positive for heroin. I knew it was a false positive because this lady simply didn't do drugs. Showed up for work all the time, on time, worked, etc. Not a junkie or even part time user of anything. She didn't even drink. I asked her if she'd eaten anything with poppy seeds on it. Yep, she'd had a couple of bagels covered with them. That will return a false positive on a drug test. I felt so bad for her. I left the company soon after and to this day don't know how that shook out for her.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 08, 2014 03:42 PM (oFCZn)

Any drug test that does not contain minimum detectable and minimum positive limits is a problem. There was a story about a woman who had her newborn taken away by the hospital when she "failed" a drug test. Just like the example above, the test came back "positive" for opiates. Turns out, it was barely above the minimum detectable, and caused by poppy seeds.

It was well below any result from heroin / morphine / oxy. After going through the courts, she got her kid back after months of separation. And a couple million from the hospital for the hell she went through. If you ever run into something similar, get a lawyer fast, and compare their test to the federal regs for drug tests (DOT ?40CFR? or Nuclear 10CFR26). And sue the hell out of the idiots if they screwed up.

Posted by: rd at March 08, 2014 12:08 PM (D+lxs)

57 I've got a '63 Pontiac parked in the backyard in need of restoration. Whenever I read car stories, guilt feelings occur. Someday I'll get the little beauty fixed up.

Posted by: fairweather bill at March 08, 2014 03:30 PM (xJB4C)

Dad had a 62 convertible when he and Mom got married. She says she only dated him cause he had a nice car (they've been married for 50 years now, so something tells me she may just be telling tales).

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 08, 2014 12:09 PM (yh0zB)

58 Ah, Car Thread. Just woke the Galaxie up from her Winter Nap.

Posted by: garrett at March 08, 2014 12:10 PM (4abjL)

59 ...and I love the old man and his Rolls.

Posted by: garrett at March 08, 2014 12:11 PM (4abjL)

60 Freezing rain yesterday, 70 degrees today. Looks like I'm driving the 'stang in today.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 08, 2014 12:11 PM (yh0zB)

61 I'm not a big Dodge fan but I'd take a Viper over a Kennedy any day.

Posted by: Big Ben at March 08, 2014 12:12 PM (I5Htn)

62 Raquel - so what is that she's leaning on? Ferrari? Iso?>>

In searching for that answer I found Raquel the Librarian at the beach.

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/148900331401614206/

Posted by: The Hickster at March 08, 2014 12:13 PM (TI3xG)

63 Perhaps Justine Beiber should star in a movie about this punk Vo-Tech kid who decides to steal one of these Vipers before it is crushed. Call it oh Viper Spring. Have car chases and wrecks and Justine screaming like a little girl. For love interest? Milky Virus as this potty mouth exotic escort.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 12:15 PM (J9ECY)

64 Those are two good looking rear ends in that Raquel pic.

Posted by: assman at March 08, 2014 12:15 PM (oMKdP)

I had read the joy riding explanation but I'll accept it could be BS. But if Chrysler/Fiat had no liability what possible advantage PR wise or any other way would they gain from this?

Posted by: The Hickster at March 08, 2014 03:36 PM (TI3xG)

A good sleaze bag tort attorney sues everyone and especially the people with deep pockets ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$). That means the school, the state, and the company that made the product. Those organizations have the money. Not some dumb-ass punk kid, or even the teacher.

A joke I heard on this blog one time was that if a Lousiana lawyer failed to include every possible deep pocket as a plaintiff, he would be disbarred by the Lousiana Bar for malpractice.

Posted by: rd at March 08, 2014 12:15 PM (D+lxs)

66 60 GGE

Enjoy the weather and the ride

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 12:16 PM (aUQgu)

67 The late Miss Emily smoked a good bit of Devil Weed when she was at JU and in the Jacksonville Symphony.

Quoth she? "I always drove really slow and very carefully." I don't think it impairs you the way alcohol does. But, yeah- testing for it will be a nitemare- at best.

Posted by: backhoe at March 08, 2014 12:16 PM (ULH4o)

68 Speaking of beautiful cars, the Duesenberg Model J's were stunning.. no two ever exactly alike, but I've never seen a pic of an ugly one http://tinyurl.com/m3qeyqw

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2014 12:19 PM (aTXUx)

69 65 A joke I heard on this blog one time was that if a Lousiana lawyer failed to include every possible deep pocket as a plaintiff, he would be disbarred by the Lousiana Bar for malpractice.

Posted by: rd at March 08, 2014 04:15 PM (D+lxs)

I liked the phrase someone posted a few days ago. Such an asshole he would crawl across two good looking hookers to fuck his own mother.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 08, 2014 12:19 PM (T2V/1)

70 Raquel - so what is that she's leaning on? Ferrari? Iso? Posted by: JEM ------------- Can't put my finger on it... The slope of the rear deck and tail light shape seem not-Ferarrai, and more Iso-like, but I don't think it is.

Posted by: Jerry at March 08, 2014 12:20 PM (aDwsi)

71 Such an asshole he would crawl across two good looking hookers to fuck his own mother. Posted by: Vic ------------------------ And bill for a full hour.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 12:21 PM (aDwsi)

72 Whatever she's leaning on has export bumpers. And this picture of Raquel is why dogs great the way they do.

Posted by: garrett at March 08, 2014 12:22 PM (2gHIk)

73 Corvair?

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at March 08, 2014 12:25 PM (V70Uh)

74 Raquel Welch was my first love. 10,000 BC was a good year. Another love, my '84 Monte Carlo SS keeps calling me. I feel bad every time I pull up in the driveway and see it covered up. 350, 60 over, torker SR heads, Edelbrock intake and exhaust. that needs body and suspension work. Maybe this summer unless I decide to redo the living room.

Posted by: ryukyu at March 08, 2014 12:28 PM (C6XFd)

75 Dear Chrysler, Our school's Dodge Viper can not be turned in for demolition because it was lost in a tragic canoe accident on a very deep lake. Yours truly, Dean Blutarsky

Posted by: eman at March 08, 2014 12:30 PM (AO9UG)

76 Those are two good looking rear ends in that Raquel pic. Posted by: assman at March 08, 2014 04:15 PM (oMKdP) And unlike Elvis she is still alive

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 08, 2014 12:30 PM (R8hU8)

77 @68 - The Duesenberg Model J was Marie Antoinette's cake. It was big and impressive and fairly fast, but as a Depression-era product it was very much a 1%-er "rub your face in this" product, kinda like having the latest Gulfstream product today, it wasn't a Duesenberg in the classic racer sense, and Fred died in one. I'm much more a fan of the early Duesenberg Model A, which was a product of their race-car engineering at a time when they were really competitive.

Posted by: JEM at March 08, 2014 12:33 PM (o+SC1)

78 99% sure it is Italian. Possibly Alfa Spider

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 12:33 PM (aDwsi)

79 Interestingly,auto enthusiast Jay Leno and Bernadette Peters are both recent inductees into the Lantern Jaw Hall of Fame.

Posted by: LeBron Horowitz at March 08, 2014 12:34 PM (cL+9V)

80 Yup..., I'm gonna call it an Alfa: http://tinyurl.com/l7qzqec

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 12:35 PM (aDwsi)

81 I have chance to buy an old Model A for 5K. I always liked those things, but its all original and pretty much useless in that format. Still, would be cool.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 08, 2014 12:36 PM (FMbng)

82 81 Berserker

Do it!

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 12:38 PM (aUQgu)

83 OK..., I am un-calling it an Alfa.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 12:39 PM (aDwsi)

84 Try a 1966 Ferrari 330 GTC

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Ferrari/66-Ferrari_330_GTC_DV-08_CI-01.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 12:39 PM (J9ECY)

85 Curse you I M G!!!

http://tinyurl.com/mnh8xf7

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 12:40 PM (J9ECY)

86 Friend up the street has Model A truck project.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 12:41 PM (aDwsi)

87 It was big and impressive and fairly fast, but as a Depression-era product it was very much a 1%-er "rub your face in this" product, kinda like having the latest Gulfstream product today, it wasn't a Duesenberg in the classic racer sense, and Fred died in one. Posted by: JEM at March 08, 2014 04:33 PM (o+SC1) Jay Leno was driving one of his in a video on his website. It was black and had a sinister beauty to it. Jay said that driving it made him feel like Mr Potter driving around town to collect the rent

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2014 12:42 PM (aTXUx)

88 Anna - Yup. Well done.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 12:42 PM (aDwsi)

89 81 Berserker

Had two chances to drive a '30 Model A in McDowell County NC. Those moments are two of the best.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 12:43 PM (aUQgu)

90 The yellow Dusey at Sandwich was my favorite.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 08, 2014 12:45 PM (ZshNr)

91 81 Berserker

Do it!

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 04:38 PM (aUQgu)

Yeah its really tempting. I really want one that was done up, or at least a frame and body thats ready for a V8. A stock one would need a ton of work. I would basically be lifting the body off the frame, keeping the body, and tossing out the rest. At the same time a restored original is kinda cool, even though a frigging moped could beat it.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 08, 2014 12:45 PM (FMbng)

92 The Duesenberg Model J was Marie Antoinette's cake.

I've read she never said that but a Jacobin that attributed that to her while they instigated grain shortages. All of Louis Swiss guards were killed because he ordered them not open fire on the people.

Posted by: ryukyu at March 08, 2014 12:48 PM (C6XFd)

93 Don't destroy an Original Car. It always kills me to see a survivor getting chopped up.

Posted by: garrett at March 08, 2014 12:48 PM (bY/0J)

94 Thanks Mike, had to do a two stage search.

First eBay for Ferrari tail lights. Then once I had one that looked right, a Bing image search for that model of Ferrari. And I got treated to many front end or side shots. Or even worse the Ferrari 330 GT Vignale station wagon. And I thought a VW 412 was ugly. But I found that one picture and voila.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 12:49 PM (J9ECY)

95 88 - Unforgivable, really, since a neighbor owns a brace(!) of 330 GT's. One for street, one for vintage racing.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 12:50 PM (aDwsi)

96 91 Berserker

Guess it boils down to what you want.

1) Classic: The one I drove was vintage and a bear to steer, esp in the Blue Ridge foothills. The man who owned it found parts fairly easily thru dedicated suppliers. He loved it; but you're right -- over 35-40 mph, the old girl was impossible to control.

2) HotRod: Dropping a V8 in her frame is asking a lot. I'm sure you know that will require major, major upgrades.

Whatever you do, she's a beauty

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 12:51 PM (aUQgu)

97
Its alot more like the day Ted Kennedy drove of the Chappaquiddick Bridge.

and ruined the car.

and committed vehicular homicide.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 08, 2014 12:53 PM (gorVZ)

98 Two of them? Does he let you even touch them? Are you in the will?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 12:53 PM (J9ECY)

99 I'm encouraging my friend with the Model A truck to do this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUTGdhAD73s

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 12:54 PM (aDwsi)

100 This is amusing - /Drive reviews some kid's beat-up '84 RX-7, modded with a 5.0. Lots of funny bits, like the battery strap labeled "I'll never let go, Jack, I promise". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcjpXbMiCtg

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 08, 2014 12:55 PM (RnvrB)

101 Get some perspective, dude.

Unpossible. I'm a pointy-headed Marxist.

Posted by: Norm Chappedass at March 08, 2014 12:57 PM (Dwehj)

102 To The Moronmobile !!! http://liberg.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/mini.jpg

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2014 12:58 PM (aTXUx)

103 Hopefully, Obama is back on the choom. Otherwise, he's going to snap and do something stupid. Later.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 08, 2014 12:58 PM (9JPz+)

104 PS to my post.

If that Model A were mine (the one I drove), I would keep her just the way she is. Why? Cause I love that old car.

I love old cars, period. They can't be replaced.

The end.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 01:00 PM (aUQgu)

105 Two of them? Does he let you even touch them? Are you in the will? Posted by: Anna Puma ---------------- Bwahahahaha...., in the Will....., bwahahahah... He's a Doc, of course, and has a stable of very interesting stuff. Maserati Quattroporte as daily driver, trophy wife etc, etc. Yeah, I've looked over the cars. He has a Dino, which I regularly call a Fiat, just to see the veins stand out in his neck.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 08, 2014 01:00 PM (aDwsi)

106 81?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division?

My late MIL had a Model T- hoisted up in the roof of her garage. Family's first car. She got to needing money and sold it in the early 1990's. Sure wish I'd had the sense to buy it from her. For fun, google redbugs and Jekyll Island. Always wanted one. Early electric car....

Posted by: backhoe at March 08, 2014 01:00 PM (ULH4o)

107 Don't destroy an Original Car.

It always kills me to see a survivor getting chopped up.

Posted by: garrett at March 08, 2014 04:48 PM (bY/0J)

Yeah thats the problem. I couldn't bring myself to do anything but leave it original, but then its not the car I really want. At the same time it would be really cool to have an original. I could restore it fairly easy. The only thing I would have to send out is upholstery. I can do all the mechanical stuff including a lot of the machine work for the engine, and I can do the paint and body. Its been sitting in a garage for a billion years, so its not all fucked up. Its a 5 window. I haven't seen the actual car yet, but according to my friend that told me about it it was parked running after the dude who owned it died, and the dude's son just let it sit in the garage forever. Its all intact. It would be a fairly easy restore if thats the case.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 08, 2014 01:00 PM (FMbng)

108 Remember, ALWAYS were your seat belt http://tinyurl.com/l7lz6b8

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2014 01:01 PM (aTXUx)

109 107 Berserker

I have to advocate keeping the car original.
Sounds in pretty good condition.

If you want a rod, there's plenty out there.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 01:03 PM (aUQgu)

110 Wow, I wonder if similarity of forehead square footage at similar ages can be used to prove that Clint Eastwood is my biological father, and I an heir to the Pink Cadillac residuals? :-) --Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at March 08, 2014 01:03 PM (8gaTv)

111 Sounds like the beginning of a kickstarter project: DON'T MAKE ME CHOP THIS CAR

Posted by: garrett at March 08, 2014 01:05 PM (FnJ9L)

112 Thanks. 10-7

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 01:10 PM (aUQgu)

113 Well it was built without the Ferrari badge until way later. Sounds like your Doctor friend is probably Aces in his practice but a horrible human being. Almost no fun to tease.

I don't even talk to the 07 GT500 owners when I see them trailer in to the car show their pride and joy because I would be tempted to say, "So how do you feel about owning 1 of almost 12,000 built and paying $20,000 over list?"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 01:10 PM (J9ECY)

114 There was one Redbug- I think the only survivor-- at the museum on Jekyll. As I recall it had two storage batteries- starting batteries for gas powered cars- at the back end. Open air. Basically a frame, front & back axles, and open seats. A fair WX car, for sure. But the "millionaire's Village was so small it was probably handy for tooling around it.

Posted by: backhoe at March 08, 2014 01:17 PM (ULH4o)

115 It doesn't sound like many of you understand what a prototype car is. Let me lay our a possible process for you. 1) Someone in engineering comes up with a unique car line. 2) They send one of the guys over to the factory to pick up a practice specimen. 3) The line is running Minivans today, so they pull the next one out the door, off the line, and drive it to the engineering building. 4) Engineering hack off the unimportant body panels, and the new car becomes "Proto #1" and the old, original Minivan numbers are written off. 5) Hand fabricated body panels are make and attached to Proto #1. 6) Some interior panels are created to cover sharp edges, so no one gets cut on the sharp edges. 7) Someone decides Proto #1 would be fun with a V10 motor, so they send a guy over to the truck line to get a motor, trans and all the required items to make it run.

Proto # 1 undergoes a drive train swap. Special one off brackets and such are made. Isn't hot rodding fun? 9) Proto #1 undergoes some refinements so everything works like one would expect it to. 10) Proto #1 undergoes years of testing and refinements and is then parked in the storage lot for a few years, because its concept has become a production line product. 11) Someone decides to build a new version of the production car Proto #1 has become, so instead of starting from scratch, Proto #1 is sent back to the engineering building and more modifications are made. 12) Through the years, Proto #1 has been modified enough it looks like a production vehicle, and the engineering has been on the leading edge, so Proto #1 gets sent to a trade school as a learning tool. When it becomes obsolete as a training tool, they are to send it back to get destroyed. 13) 10 years after the donation, some punk kid decides to take Proto #1 out for a joy ride, and violates the terms of the training tool contract, and Proto #1 is recalled (along with all the other Proto series experimental cars). Now some people think the car, that was never intended to be anything but an experiment, is suppose to be something special and warrants being saved? The Vipers being discussed are based on a chassis that was built in 92, modified with a fiberglass body hung on it, powered by a production line drive train that may or may not have been intended to be installed in that chassis. There were probably several modifications and test features that were never intended to be in a production vehicle, (this was an experiment, why not try different things?) some of which may have been discovered to be dangerous. As a prototype vehicle, it never had to face safety, crash testing, or emission standards. The parts installed could have come from several years of production parts, and from several different production line car parts, many of which may have been modified to fit. Probably nearly none of the parts on it are even close to what the similar parts on the production car are in shape, fit, or quality. Its intended purpose to to see if it would be appealing to the general population and if it was even a feasible concept. It has served its purpose. Now let it die in peace. Gene

Posted by: gdonovan at March 08, 2014 01:18 PM (dsjHU)

116 Good for Allen Swift. How on Earth do you own a car for 78 years? I'd do it if I could. I bought my beloved 1991 Toyota Corolla station wagon in 1999, so I've only owned it for 15 years. It runs great but the body is rotting away. My mechanic pretty much told me that it won't pass inspection next time, and he's bent over backwards to pass it the last two years. I don't want to have to get rid of it. Buying another car is kind of a hit-or-miss proposition. I could end up with a lemon. I'd rather stick with what I have.

Posted by: rickl at March 08, 2014 01:22 PM (sdi6R)

117

Remember, ALWAYS wear your seat belt.

http://tinyurl.com/l7lz6b8

Wow, she fills out the 5 point harness quite well!

My father refused to ever wear a seat belt. But he made sure we did.

It goes back to an accident he had in a 1950's era car and had an accident. He was ejected from the car. The steering column impaled the driver's seat. If he had not been ejected, he would have died. Funny how personal quirks like that make people memorable.

Posted by: rd at March 08, 2014 01:24 PM (D+lxs)

118 . It has served its purpose. Now let it die in peace.

Obviously not or the schools wouldn't still have them. They're being destroyed because of lawyers or taxmen both of which we have a deplorable excess of.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2014 01:36 PM (DL2i+)

119 115 Its intended purpose to to see if it would be appealing to the general population and if it was even a feasible concept. It has served its purpose. Now let it die in peace. Gene Posted by: gdonovan at March 08, 2014 05:18 PM (dsjHU) It would be better if it was preserved by a collector, though.

Posted by: rickl at March 08, 2014 01:37 PM (sdi6R)

120 I don't even talk to the 07 GT500 owners when I see them trailer in to the car show their pride and joy because I would be tempted to say, "So how do you feel about owning 1 of almost 12,000 built and paying $20,000 over list?"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 05:10 PM (J9ECY)

I have a friend of mine who had an 07 GT/CS, he used to needle the 07 Shelby GT guys cause he had basically the same car for lots less money.

And now...off to work I go. Later roonz and roonettez, fear no evil!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 08, 2014 01:38 PM (yh0zB)

121 "Is pot really to blame for these accidents? Unlike alcohol, marijuana can remain in the bloodstream for weeks after it has been consumed -- possibly affecting driving skills, possibly not. (Consider this: CNN found that Washington's limit of five nanograms of THC per milliliter of blood wasn't nearly high enough to negatively impact driving.) The study's authors caution that their findings don't indicate that the drivers were impaired from pot at the time of their accident, only that they had used pot sometime in the recent past." If only there was some objective test of behavior that could settle the question, like, driving a car without being in an accident.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 08, 2014 01:39 PM (RlZps)

122 Enjoy the weather and the ride

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 04:16 PM (aUQgu)

Oh, I shall. Later roonz and roonettez!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 08, 2014 01:40 PM (yh0zB)

123 Could it be the Vipers were being named as payment for damages and someone said, "eff you we'll destroy them rather than see you get them?"

Posted by: speculater at March 08, 2014 01:41 PM (oMKdP)

124 1971 Ford Ranch Wagon - the station wagon of the Gods!

Enough room to keep three boys* sequestered and separated so that cross-country trips could be accomplished with minimal fratracide and paternal repercussions.

*Ages three, five, and nine - close enough for collaboration, far enough apart for eternal warfare.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sick of the Snowplow Bills for the Outrage Outlet - Bring Me The Head Of Al Gore! at March 08, 2014 01:43 PM (gmoEG)

125 My father refused to ever wear a seat belt. But he made sure we did.
It goes back to an accident he had in a 1950's era car and had an accident. He was ejected from the car. The steering column impaled the driver's seat. If he had not been ejected, he would have died. Funny how personal quirks like that make people memorable.

Posted by: rd at March 08, 2014 05:24 PM (D+lxs)

I'm not a seat belt dude either. I know 2 different people who most likely would have died had they been wearing one.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 08, 2014 01:44 PM (FMbng)

126 Gene correct me if I am wrong, but it seems you are advocating since a car is a prototype it has no value and should be crushed. Every prototype.

Where Dodge messed up was donating them to colleges. It would have been better to donate say the first 5 or 6 to car museums, auction off another 5, and then crush the rest.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 01:45 PM (J9ECY)

127 Posted by: gdonovan at March 08, 2014 05:18 PM (dsjHU)

That was an excellent description.

But I have a shorter version.

Chrysler loaned the car to the school.

Now they want it back.

It's their property to do with as they see fit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2014 01:47 PM (QFxY5)

128 GGE I actually traded in an 07 GT/CS that I put 38,000 miles in 16 months for my 08 GT500 of which less than 8,000 were made and only $2,000 over MSRP. I have had fun in both of them.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 01:47 PM (lnUO4)

129 I'm not a seat belt dude either. I know 2 different people who most likely would have died had they been wearing one.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 08, 2014 05:44 PM (FMbng)

Do you also play Russian Roulette?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2014 01:48 PM (QFxY5)

130 You can buy new '32 5-window Ford bodies and parts today. Made to the same specs ready for new crate engines.

Posted by: free tibet with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at March 08, 2014 01:51 PM (jAc/f)

131 Dear Chrysler,

Our school's Dodge Viper can not be turned in for demolition because it was lost in a tragic canoe accident on a very deep lake.

Yours truly,

Dean Blutarsky

-----------------------

Never, ever take a drink while reading comments. Ever. Well done, sir!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 08, 2014 01:55 PM (o9Rp5)

132 Seat belts? My father had a pilot's license. We never owned a car without them, even in the early 60's we had them in our car. They were sort of a novelty. When I took my DL test in 1963 the cop had never seen them in a passenger car. He buckled up and I passed. I have never driven a car without them. That saying I once voted against a seat belt law in another life.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 01:58 PM (0FSuD)

133 Enjoy the weather and the ride Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 04:16 PM (aUQgu) Going to take the Porsche out tomorrow! THIS is what NC is suppose to be like in March. Cold is coming back Thursday, enjoy it now.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 01:59 PM (0FSuD)

134 I have never driven a car without them. That saying I once voted against a seat belt law in another life.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 05:58 PM (0FSuD)

Slow down there bucko!

Personal responsibility? Control over one's destiny?

What kind of a psycho are you?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2014 02:00 PM (QFxY5)

135 @134 Free will baby! I wouldn't vote for a helmet bill either. Were you around last night for my Buffalo story and drinking? Same thing.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 02:02 PM (0FSuD)

136 I was running with scissors just a few minutes ago.

Posted by: Ronster at March 08, 2014 02:02 PM (puNd6)

137 Got a question for you gear heads from my son: He's doing a tune up on his car. Got to one of the spark plugs, and it looks like the corners on the spark plug that the socket catches on are not there. Suggestions?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at March 08, 2014 02:03 PM (4Chvm)

138 133 Nip

Owned and drove the 356 and 911. IMO, more trouble than they're worth. Enjoy the day.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 02:04 PM (aUQgu)

139

katya the designated driver

That's a tough one. It has probably never been changes since that unfortunate screw up.

Posted by: Ronster at March 08, 2014 02:06 PM (puNd6)

140 Chrysler loaned the car to the school.

Now they want it back.

It's their property to do with as they see fit.

That still doesn't make it "right" to destroy them. Yes it's there business and Yes I think less of them for paying whatever millions to some jackassess in the first place and destroying something clearly still being useful to avoid repeating the mistake of paying jackasses.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2014 02:06 PM (DL2i+)

141 137 Got a question for you gear heads from my son: He's doing a tune up on his car. Got to one of the spark plugs, and it looks like the corners on the spark plug that the socket catches on are not there. Suggestions? Posted by: katya the designated driver at March 08, 2014 06:03 PM (4Chvm) Spray the threads with a lubricant and don't touch that plug until tomorrow Then use a hex socket

Posted by: eman at March 08, 2014 02:06 PM (AO9UG)

142 @115 Well done. Sounds like a lot of "inside knowledge" in that post.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 02:06 PM (0FSuD)

143 I remember cars that had the lap belts, and for the front bench seat there was the shoulder belt, but to use that it had to be brought down off of the holder above the door and attached to the lap belt.

The only place I have not used seat belts was in those old cars. It feels - strange - not to use one.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sick of the Snowplow Bills for the Outrage Outlet - Bring Me The Head Of Al Gore! at March 08, 2014 02:08 PM (gmoEG)

144 whoa, young Elvis and Clint? Niedermeyer, you are too kind!!!

Posted by: Peaches at March 08, 2014 02:09 PM (8lmkt)

145 Posted by: DaveA at March 08, 2014 06:06 PM (DL2i+)

Well....you and I are going to have to disagree.

I don't think that we should have any say on how Chrysler disposes of their property.

The only right is that they can do what they wish.

That being said....man, that is a nice looking car!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2014 02:10 PM (QFxY5)

146 Penetrating oil, either WD-40 or PB, and let it soak in for a good while. Might need a 12pt socket and hope one of them catches what is left of the edges of the spark plug.

Do not be a gorilla to try and remove it though. Do not want to snap the plug off. And thus end up in a worse boat.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 02:13 PM (lnUO4)

147 @143 Lap belts were all that were in cars till the 90's? I once had a wreck because my lap belt wasn't fully buckled and it came undone. I slide across the bench seat and lost my hands on the steering wheel. Yes, I was in a curve and I was speeding.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 02:13 PM (0FSuD)

148 Got a question for you gear heads from my son: He's doing a tune up on his car. Got to one of the spark plugs, and it looks like the corners on the spark plug that the socket catches on are not there. Suggestions?>>

First thing to try. If he was using a 12 point socket switch to a six point. which might get better bite on the flats that are left.

http://tinyurl.com/myvrana

Posted by: The Hickster at March 08, 2014 02:14 PM (TI3xG)

149 I know a guy who has smoked the stuff for years. After four weeks of abstinence the tests show him as full of it as someone who just smoked it. The tests show positive for 6-8 weeks after having stopped.

Posted by: Steve In Tulsa at March 08, 2014 02:14 PM (UnFIU)

150

Penetrating oil, either WD-40 or PB, and let it soak in for a good while.

I have found penetrating oils to be mostly worthless. I still give them a try, hoping for the best.

Posted by: Ronster at March 08, 2014 02:16 PM (puNd6)

151 The guy with the RR.. Pretty obviously he was filthy rich. Who gives their 28 year old son a RR? Trayvon didn't get one!

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 02:16 PM (0FSuD)

152 Palin is killing it at CPAC

Posted by: Albie Damned at March 08, 2014 02:16 PM (cGaCp)

153 138 133 Nip Owned and drove the 356 and 911. IMO, more trouble than they're worth. Enjoy the day. Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 06:04 PM (aUQgu) You know I have a '87, 930 slant nose, right? 23K on it and I was told to drive it more. Just doing what I was told. This with a red interior, http://tinyurl.com/mg55lym

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 02:19 PM (0FSuD)

154 @woodruffbets Palin: "You can't make a phone call without Michelle Obama knowing this is the third time this week you've dialed Pizza Hut delivery"

Posted by: Retread at March 08, 2014 02:20 PM (cHwk5)

155 Jeep Wranglers, old technology, lousy mileage, not dependable, uncomfortable hold their resale value to an amazing degree.

I had a 1974 Jeep CJ-5 that was around $3,500 (with stock V-

new that I sold in 1985 for $4,000. I currently have a 2005 Wrangler and a 2006 BMW Z4 and the Jeep blue-books at about the same as the BMW. Go figure. The Z4 has 39,000 miles on it and the Jeep has 70,000.

Posted by: Anchovy at March 08, 2014 02:22 PM (MNxW+)

156 oh, I have a car story! on Thursday, there was a big meeting at the office. The persian princes rolled up in a lovely dark blue Bentley convertibe. I am a bit of a Bentley fan, so mentioned it to my colleague later. He said, oh, he's getting rid of it . . . it's a year old! Well, naturally . . .

Posted by: Peaches at March 08, 2014 02:22 PM (8lmkt)

157 Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 06:13 PM (0FSuD)

The cars I was referencing were late 1960 - early 1970. Only lapbelts were mandatory.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sick of the Snowplow Bills for the Outrage Outlet - Bring Me The Head Of Al Gore! at March 08, 2014 02:23 PM (gmoEG)

158 It really does feel very weird to drive without a seat belt on anymore. Having grown up before they were invented, I think about that sometimes. When I was a little kid, the "restraint" was the parent's arm slashing across your little body as they stood on the brakes. Didn't hurt me any, although apparently I once flew into the dashboard of the Hudson. No harm, no foul, I turned out perfect.

Posted by: Peaches at March 08, 2014 02:25 PM (8lmkt)

159 For the striped spark plug here are a couple options for tools that may get the job done.

They likely will rent or loan you one at your local parts store.

http://tinyurl.com/n8tlzoy
http://tinyurl.com/mpab969

Posted by: The Hickster at March 08, 2014 02:28 PM (TI3xG)

160 34 In honor of International Womens Day, here's a pic of a woman fixing her own BMW, showing they are more than their ladyparts

http://tinyurl.com/qx9vlqb

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2014 03:40 PM (aTXUx)

There's a BMW in the picture?

Posted by: Titanium at March 08, 2014 02:29 PM (IgOQg)

161 Lap belts were all that were in cars till the 90's?

I once had a wreck because my lap belt wasn't fully buckled and it came undone. I slide across the bench seat and lost my hands on the steering wheel.

Yes, I was in a curve and I was speeding.

My 70 Chevelle, which I purchased new in 1970 and still have, has both lap belts AND shoulder harnesses. A separate buckle for each. Rear seats only have lap belts. 676,000 miles on the clock over the 36 years I drove it. Wore the belts and shoulder harnesses religiously. Purchased an '06 Mustang GT in March of 2006 and registered the Chevelle as an Historic Vehicle. Joins my 57 Chevy Belair in that department.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at March 08, 2014 02:29 PM (TPimP)

162 152 Palin is killing it at CPAC

Posted by: Albie Damned at March 08, 2014 06:16 PM (cGaCp)

Figures.

Posted by: Poor Defensless Moose Who Never Hurt Anyone at March 08, 2014 02:30 PM (oMKdP)

163 After four weeks of abstinence the tests show him as full of it as someone who just smoked it.

It's fat soluble and hair traceable.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2014 02:31 PM (DL2i+)

164 I did tie rod ends today and everything was a battle.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 08, 2014 02:31 PM (5DGZr)

165 I have found penetrating oils to be mostly worthless. I still give them a try, hoping for the best. As noted, make sure you're using a six-point socket. If penetrating oil doesn't work (and provided you let it soak in a while, it probably will), heat it with a propane torch (not red hot) then cool it with a little water. The expansion and contraction of the metal should help loosen it up.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 08, 2014 02:31 PM (SY2Kh)

166 Friend in high school had a 1973 Caprice coupe with the biggest engine under the hood (so his grandparents could tow their Airsteam).

Shoulderbelts were there, though you had to put them on the buckle for the lapbelt. The acceleration that car could do was - suck-you into-the seat-and hold-you-there - unbelievable. That old car could drop Trans Am's into the rearview mirror.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sick of the Snowplow Bills for the Outrage Outlet - Bring Me The Head Of Al Gore! at March 08, 2014 02:31 PM (gmoEG)

167 57 Chevy Bel air in that department. Wow, pour that gas in the tail light! I had a 63 Bel air, straight 6, three on the column, no radio as my first car. It was fucking huge by today's standards.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 02:33 PM (0FSuD)

168 162 152 Palin is killing it at CPAC Posted by: Albie Damned at March 08, 2014 06:16 PM (cGaCp) She's topless again? Damn, what channel?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 02:34 PM (0FSuD)

169 I don't think that we should have any say on how Chrysler disposes of their property.

We're talking past each other. I'm saying "because lawyers" is not a good reason to destroy anything beautiful, useful, obsolete or otherwise. They certainly can do whatever.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2014 02:35 PM (DL2i+)

170 OT, dang I wonder how much these boots cost Khloe?
http://tinyurl.com/lp8cywp

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 02:37 PM (lnUO4)

171 When I was a little kid, the "restraint" was the parent's arm slashing across your little body as they stood on the brakes.

Mom threw me one of those the other day on the way to the library. She's 75 and I'm 53 and twice her size.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2014 02:37 PM (DL2i+)

172 @170 Well, I have no clue who Khloe is but she should have saved some money for some jeans.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 02:38 PM (0FSuD)

173 Palin is killing it at CPAC Is the audience going to stand and hail the Queen Of The North after she's done?

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 08, 2014 02:39 PM (rAeZm)

174 Anna, they've got the red soles, the must be Louboutins. Quick search shows somewhere in the $1600-$1900 range. If she bought 'em in LA, add another 10% for tax. I only wish I had that kind of money to spend on rent every month . . .

Posted by: Peaches at March 08, 2014 02:39 PM (8lmkt)

175 170 OT, dang I wonder how much these boots cost Khloe?
http://tinyurl.com/lp8cywp

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 06:37 PM (lnUO4)

Don't know but it looks rather hideous if you ask me. I don't know what's worse - the boots or the mom jeans shorts.

Posted by: Titanium at March 08, 2014 02:40 PM (IgOQg)

176 Now, I was driving a four-door '76 Maverick with the straight six. Once it was started, it had a lot of 'go' to it.

Then there was the '77 Monte Carlo we got in 1983 from my grandparents. It was a Florida car and really good. And somehow and for whatever reason grandpa had the biggest engine available for that car placed under that hood.* Straight line acceleration on Telegraph Road - the Monte was a champ. Of course doing that meant watching the fuel gauge go left like you were flushing a toilet full of gasoline.

*Maybe he was thinking it was his Sopwith Camel back in the Great War?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sick of the Snowplow Bills for the Outrage Outlet - Bring Me The Head Of Al Gore! at March 08, 2014 02:41 PM (gmoEG)

177 @175 Don't know but it looks rather hideous if you ask me. I don't know what's worse - the boots or the mom jeans shorts. Man, I got to meet your mom.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 02:41 PM (0FSuD)

178 $1,900? I saw the red soles and knew they would be $$$ but that much? Yikes. Too much of a tech person all I can think of is how powerful a computer I could get for that much moolah.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 02:43 PM (lnUO4)

179 When I was married to the first Big Mistake, back in the early 70s, his parents had some bigass Ford, I dunno, a Fairlane or a Galaxy, whatever was bigger. Kind of a puke yellow color. We used to take it out (NOT my idea) and nudge it up against a concrete wall, put it in neutral, floor it for a while, then pop it into gear. Just to see how fast we could melt the tires. And, yes, there were drugs in involved.

Posted by: Peaches at March 08, 2014 02:43 PM (8lmkt)

180 Thanks for all the help and suggestions. I've told my son before that you are a collective genius.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at March 08, 2014 02:43 PM (4Chvm)

181 It was in Jersey, so totally acceptable behavior.

Posted by: Peaches at March 08, 2014 02:44 PM (8lmkt)

182 Peaches lets hope that puke yellow Ford is quietly rusting away in the Jersey Pine Barrens... buried deep.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 02:46 PM (lnUO4)

183 Prob'ly somewhere off the Paterson Plank Road as we speak, Anna Puma! I never would have thought of any such shenanigans, but it was kinda fun. Beast of a car, as so many of them were back in those days.

Posted by: Peaches at March 08, 2014 02:48 PM (8lmkt)

184 You know what is amazing about all those 60s-70s cars? How badly they were built and kept running. The specs on that Chevy straight six? 1948 iron block. Course everything was mechanical and anyone could fix them, so they had that going for them.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 02:48 PM (0FSuD)

185 When I was young we used to purchase cars on Lake Street in Minneapolis cheap, like a couple hundred bucks, and then we would spend the afternoon and evening doing donuts on the ice in shopping center parking lots. The cars would usually only last the weekend.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at March 08, 2014 02:49 PM (jucos)

186 Oh, Truck, we would have been such besties!!!!

Posted by: Peaches at March 08, 2014 02:49 PM (8lmkt)

187

A fine thread indeed Countrysquire , fine thread indeed.

Pic1. Mopar sux

Pic2 POP with that slammin Rolls Coupe Convertible is a BMF

(for those in Reo Linda the M stands for Mother)

Pic4 The 55 Caddy is pink and was the burning envy of many people.

Pic5 Rocky is very fine and by the looks of the dual duals on that Jag

it seems to have noticed also.

Pic6 I Have a thing for Bernadette , next to Clint she looks like a spinner.

Posted by: Sir Regular Guy Esq. at March 08, 2014 02:51 PM (N3Al8)

188 I am so gay for Sarah when she's gleefully laying down the hurt. Talk about a happy warrior!

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 08, 2014 02:53 PM (QBm1P)

189 Truck Monkey, sounds like American Graffiti grade fun.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 02:54 PM (lnUO4)

190 159 Nip

The 1959 356 Speedster was sure fun to drive; but a PITA to maintain. As I said, enjoy the day; have a good relationship w your mechanic.

Unless you do your own, which most of us don't on a German engineered car. Maybe there's a decent one in Aspen

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 02:54 PM (aUQgu)

191 The best sleeper car I ever rode in was a 1969 Dodge Dart 4 door. It was left to my buddy from his Grandpa. It had a the 440 in it and looked like an old ladies car but went like a bat outa hell.

Posted by: The Hickster at March 08, 2014 02:55 PM (TI3xG)

192 The best adventure we had as young men was when my friend Todd put a lift kit on his 78 Bronco. We completed the lift but still had shitty bald radials on it. We decided it would be a good idea to test out the kit off road. We got hopelessly stuck in Mississippi River mud. Friend that came to rescue us got his Jeep hopelessly stuck as well. Todd's Dad told us not to go down there. Poor Todd had to answer to his Dad not only for the Bronco but also the Jeep. Good times.... good times

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at March 08, 2014 02:55 PM (jucos)

193 @190 I do, he's worked on this car for 25 years. Just redid gears, son chipped some teeth on them. asshole.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 08, 2014 02:57 PM (0FSuD)

194 Lets clarify that. The gears had chipped teeth, not the son. Though I bet Nip Sip has done the cost analysis to realize fixing the kid's teeth would have been cheaper.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 02:58 PM (lnUO4)

195 Did someone say Jersey Pine Barrens? IN the day (60's ) my little crew and me had a bad case of driving fever , but were too young to get a DL. We stole some cars mostly Corvette and Camaro's pre 68 anti theft. One of the guys I knew stole a 69 Hemi Road Runner from a new car dealers bullpen and dropped the motor into a Canary Yellow 48 Ford Coupe down the Jersey PIne Barrens near Green Bank. Ah good times...

Posted by: Sonnyspats at March 08, 2014 03:00 PM (N3Al8)

196 194 Anna

As you stated, there's truth in there somewhere

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 03:01 PM (aUQgu)

197 All this talk is making me wax nostalgic for cruising with big sis in her salvaged red Chevy with killer fins. It came fully loaded with NRA membership and "God Loves John Wayne" stickers. Ah, underage drinkers with open Fosters cans, flipping off the pigs, listening to punk rock....((sigh))

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 08, 2014 03:01 PM (QBm1P)

198 197 @All Hail Eris

Not to be picky, but should be listening to Lynryd Skynyrd.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 03:04 PM (aUQgu)

199 The comments on the sidebar-linked article by Condoleezza Rice are brutal.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 08, 2014 03:04 PM (rAeZm)

200 Lets clarify that. The gears had chipped teeth, not the son.

Oh, whew, Anna! I was horrified that someone would let their kid bust his teeth on car parts. Right after I stopped laughing, that is!

Posted by: Peaches at March 08, 2014 03:05 PM (8lmkt)

201 200 Peaches

It's possible. Remove tranny cover. Kid lies face down while some adult shifts into 3rd.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 03:08 PM (aUQgu)

202 NC, damn. I always have a hard time deciding who I love more, gearheads or hillbillys. Sounds like you've experienced the best of both worlds.

Posted by: Peaches at March 08, 2014 03:10 PM (8lmkt)

203 198 NCwoof, rolling through Coleman Young-era Detroit is better served by a punk soundtrack. Or warning klaxons.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 08, 2014 03:12 PM (QBm1P)

204 202 Peaches

Yep. Gearhead (sorta), redneck (total) and loves des mens dat can fix, defend, and cook in a pinch. Dey be sexy mens.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 03:12 PM (aUQgu)

205

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 03:12 PM (lnUO4)

206 I've been waiting for a new thread! Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 08, 2014 03:14 PM (9JPz+)

207 203 @All Hail Eris

Sorry. Lack of context here.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 03:14 PM (aUQgu)

208 Dey be sexy mens.

teh sexiest! oh, brb.

Posted by: Peaches at March 08, 2014 03:15 PM (8lmkt)

209 I'm just here to give props to Bernadette Peters. Dirty dirty thoughts.

Posted by: BuckIV at March 08, 2014 03:15 PM (CLfqv)

210 I just got back from a Dodge dealer, the wife dragged me out to look at a few cars. They had 2 vipers sitting on the floor. one red, one blue. They were roped off so it was hard to read the sticker, but it looked over 100K. Shit man.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at March 08, 2014 03:18 PM (FMbng)

211 Here's a looker but you'd probably have to be one of the Persian Princes that Peaches mentioned to own one Ferrari 612 GTO http://tinyurl.com/lsspxrr

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2014 03:18 PM (aTXUx)

212 First of all, this is a Jeep story, so those of you innocently cursed with the obsolete unreliable old things, please put them up for sale, because there are terminally stupid people standing in line to get one. Find a nice red Rodeo. And now,

At the real Jeep plant (North Cove Blvd), a building that had once housed the offices of Mather Spring Works became the Jeep House Museum. The fun of it was, it was co-operated by a retired line supervisor and a retired union steward, who had obviously put their differences behind them. They were the honey badgers of museum curators. Yeah, we got a Willys-Knight sleeve-valve, downstairs. Sure it runs. Now, there's no venting in here, and there's no exhaust manifold on it, so everybody just hold your breath, and when I shut 'er down, get outside real fast, and we'll talk. It was like that.

And next door was a vacant building that had once been the Design Dept. Barney Roos's desk was there, and a couple other guys who went on (or back) to more famous projects. In the back of the design building were some prototypes. The Cherk that held the 4WD LSR. Small airport fire trucks. Mules.

The curators had let it out that when Jeep was Kaiser's, this neat stuff was spread all over the installation, plus Willow Run. "And then we brought in a new owner," is how they call changing hands there. The AMC thing didn't bother them too bad until Renault bought in, and then, it seemed, every time a high-ranking French corporate official stopped by, they'd end up minus one prototype or Whippet or Knight Concert Grand. Then it was Chrysler, who raided the collection for their own museum up the road. The Germans were the worst. Well aware they'd lost the war because North Cove was out of range of their bombers, they took the lot, and dynamited the plant, museum and all.

And so. It isn't "Chrysler" who wants those Vipers. That firm is now known as Fiat, and Fiat owns what was once Ferrari. Enzo Ferrari said, "The Americans do not need a sports car. They have the Jeep." But scores of auto reviewers said, "The Viper is an old-fashioned American V8 that beats a Ferrari." And there is no way that the Ferrari Owners Club is going to stand for that.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 08, 2014 03:19 PM (xq1UY)

213 Dang kbdabear, that thing is doing 140kph just parked.

No one won the Mega Millions last night... so could afford that car and those boots.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 08, 2014 03:20 PM (lnUO4)

214 2002 Jeep Liberty here. Purchased for 8 grand plus the old J30T what needed fuel injectors in the fall of 2009 with 46,000 miles on it. Just about to turn 65,000 and I love that car, I love that car, I love that fuckin' car. Looks brand new, too.

Posted by: Peaches at March 08, 2014 03:22 PM (8lmkt)

215 212 @Stringer Davis

Good point about Ferrari vs V8. Learned something.

As an aside, did you ever get a chance to see Bill Harrah's collection outside Reno (Sparks I think); if so, do you know what happened to that beautiful collection? I remember there was ONE huge building of Fords, including the Phantom.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 03:27 PM (aUQgu)

216 @190 - actually, I do my own work on several German products and have for just about a couple decades, though none of them a Porsche. The key to owning a 'real' Porsche (that is, the kind denoted by PJ O'Rourke as 'ass-engined Nazi slot cars') is to own a lift. There's a lot of stuff that has to be done from underneath and trying to do so on ramps is just flat humiliating. Same applies to most mid-engine cars out there, certainly the Ferraris.

Posted by: JEM at March 08, 2014 03:31 PM (o+SC1)

217 Old fashioned V-10, I meant, of course. Most of the Corsair was also assembled in that design building. It also has an interesting link to the Kaiser Darrin sports car, whose fiberglas apparently deteriorated from the snow.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 08, 2014 03:33 PM (xq1UY)

218 Whoa, NCwoof, apparently the fuckin' Holiday Inn bought out Harrah after he died and sold off most of the sweet rides. Whatever's left is in a National Auto Museum. Link here:

http://harrahsautomobilecollection.com/

Posted by: Peaches at March 08, 2014 03:34 PM (8lmkt)

219 Any fans of the 57 T-Bird here? Doesn't have Suzanne Somers in it, but still mighty nice http://tinyurl.com/ma74w4d

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2014 03:36 PM (aTXUx)

220 So we went to a mixer today where the kid will be going to college in the fall and most freshmen won't be bringing cars. This generation doesn't drive which I find odd.

Posted by: NCKate at March 08, 2014 03:37 PM (y7PFk)

221 @218 - I'm tempted to say "what rock have you been sleeping under?" but... Holiday Inn got out from under that twenty-plus years ago. Some of it is still in the new Reno museum, it's a fraction of the size of the old train yard Harrah had his exhibit in (if memory serves it was an ice-house where produce trains from California iced up on their way to bring broccoli and lettuce to points east) but it's also much closer to downtown. The remainder of Harrah's collection was sold off to fund the new facility.

Posted by: JEM at March 08, 2014 03:38 PM (o+SC1)

222 sorry, JEM. I denounce myself.

Posted by: Peaches at March 08, 2014 03:40 PM (8lmkt)

223 @222 - That's better. Now ten years wrenching on Zaporozhetses in Siberia and we can consider you rehabilitated.

Posted by: JEM at March 08, 2014 03:44 PM (o+SC1)

224 Here's a little something for everyone AC Cobra, rifle, leather boots http://tinyurl.com/lyvmyuz

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2014 03:44 PM (aTXUx)

225 218 @Peaches

Thank you for link.

If anyone was ever there before Bill Harrah died, it was amazing place. Craftsman for every detail: wood, leather, sheet metal, brass,
the list goes on.

And there was a COMPLETE library of tech specs for every detail of every car.

Each car on display was totally ready to roll.
Gassed up and completely functional as it was when it rolled off the original assembly line.

Nothing like it in my memory. What a wonder it was to see these cars being carefully restored on a hospital clean factory floor.

Sad, but happy a few remain.

God bless you, Bill Harrah

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 03:44 PM (aUQgu)

226 First Google search result: http://karlbreckenridge.com/2014/02/11/the-pacific-fruit-express-icehouse-in-sparks/

Posted by: JEM at March 08, 2014 03:46 PM (o+SC1)

227 221 @JEM

Just curious. Did you ever have the chance to visit the original Bill Harrah collection?

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 03:51 PM (aUQgu)

228 Anna, let's hope that Ferrari greenlights it It's as Jeremy Clarkson would say "bite the back of your hand beautiful"

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2014 03:51 PM (aTXUx)

229 My current is a 2006 Sebring convertible. 120,00 miles, just developed body rust under the doors.

That will be dealt with because the Sebring will roll for a few more years. She is still good to go and I do not want a car payment for a few more years. And I want my 'Sammy the Sebring' to look good; so that nonsense will be dealt with!

(It is Michigan, so it is hard with the rust.)

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sick of the Snowplow Bills for the Outrage Outlet - Bring Me The Head Of Al Gore! at March 08, 2014 03:52 PM (gmoEG)

230 @220 NCKate, it's a military academy, right?
Two years without a car is an academy tradition. Used to be the rule at the upper-crust New England civilian "academies," too, but may have changed.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 08, 2014 03:52 PM (xq1UY)

231 222 @Peaches

No denouncement. Nothing inaccurate about your post.

Bullies drive me nuts.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 03:53 PM (aUQgu)

232 @228 - Yeah, couple of times in my early teens. It was vast, though the kind of exhibit which unless you're really into cars isn't going to keep you too interested, mostly just dimly-lit acres and acres of cars with a little sign describing the model and the original purchase price.

Posted by: JEM at March 08, 2014 03:55 PM (o+SC1)

233 @228 - If you were in the business - which I certainly was not at the time - apparently it was a very useful resource for those looking for restoration guidelines, etc.

Posted by: JEM at March 08, 2014 03:57 PM (o+SC1)

234 233 JEM

Too bad you were too young to appreciate the library and the craftsmanship that was enriched and enlivened by a true innovator -- Mr Harrah.

The museum was more than a label "stuck" in front of car. In your teens, did you realize anyone could climb into one of those cars and "start it up and drive off"

I'd say you were deprived of that experience and question your credentials to call anybody out who appreciates the preservation of historical art and craftsmanship.

Too bad.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 03:59 PM (aUQgu)

235 Hey Stringer, no he pulled his West Point app in October, I think, he wanted to go the ROTC route and enjoy life a little bit more than he could at an academy or a senior military college. He got four year army and four year Air Force scholarships instead.

Posted by: NCKate at March 08, 2014 04:00 PM (y7PFk)

236 Until 1965, the Henry Ford Museum had no context and interpretation, just row after row of old cars that ran. Like a library of cars.

There was a big fire in 65, and when they reopened they'd joined the modern world of Curatorship.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 08, 2014 04:01 PM (xq1UY)

237 Clearly most of you know NOTHING about the auto industry, EPA and crash regulations and a host of other alphabet agencies that come into play when building a car. The car was NEVER meant to be on the road, period. It is not to be used on public roads in any shape, manner or form after the test period and the fallout if so much as one makes it on the street and the feds find out is horrendous. The car should have crushed just like thousands of other have been crushed over the decades after the prototype stage has passed. Chrysler did a nice thing donating them but the bottom line there is a huge liability and the EPA can lower the boom at anytime. The smart thing the school should of done was to keep their mouth shut. Now that this is all public the EPA for sure will move in to see the cars crushed and any donation programs are now at risk due to all the press. Chrysler is not going to risk being fined into oblivion and the Feds crawling up their ass every time vehicles goes to get certified.

Posted by: gdonovan at March 08, 2014 04:03 PM (dsjHU)

238 237 @Stringer

When you say the Henry Ford museum had "no interpretation or context", what do you mean?

Just the presence of the Phaeton was a revelation to many visitors. In the day--as they like to say in 2014

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 04:07 PM (aUQgu)

239 @Stringer

By the way, what is a museum but a "library" of artifacts we can no longer use or enjoy.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 04:10 PM (aUQgu)

240 gdonovan, you act like you enjoy living in a country like that.
I'm sure we all respect your knowledge of What Is Not Allowed, but frankly, I'd just as soon gut every one of those agencies like the pigs they are.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 08, 2014 04:12 PM (xq1UY)

241 238 @gdonavan

Friend owns Viper. Gave me a ride. Street legal. Is he supposed to trash it?

Benny Parsons (late NASCAR champ) drove one when he worked the Daytona 500 in 1995.
Is that yellow Viper to be crushed?

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 04:16 PM (aUQgu)

242 NCWoof, I mean it was glorious, alive, and glowing from within as if Barney Oldfield had just stepped away for a minute and would be right back.

No kiddie shows, no fake backdrops, built-up presentations, or apologies.
Every one of them ran at least once a year. Real cars for real car guys.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 08, 2014 04:16 PM (xq1UY)

243 "gdonovan, you act like you enjoy living in a country like that." Who said I did? People whining without knowing the other side of the coin get on my nerves. Chrysler signed an agreement with the EPA- If the vehicle is out of compliance its gets crushed, full stop end of discussion. This happens thousands of times a year and everyone is getting their panties in a wad because its a Viper. I'm a car guy with several Mopars (very easy to check) and like Vipers as much as the next guy, but this is putting Chrysler at huge risk. "I'm sure we all respect your knowledge of What Is Not Allowed, but frankly, I'd just as soon gut every one of those agencies like the pigs they are." I'd make the budget of the EPA $1 if it was up to me, it enrages me the GOP does nothing. One comes to the conclusion that they must ok with it which enrages me even more.

Posted by: gdonovan at March 08, 2014 04:20 PM (dsjHU)

244 243 @Stringer

Wish you said that clearly 1st time. But there you go.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 04:21 PM (aUQgu)

245 "Friend owns Viper. Gave me a ride. Street legal. Is he supposed to trash it?" Hello (tap tap) is this thing on? The Viper in question is a PROTOTYPE. Not a production Viper. Its a hack job used for mocking things up. It has not been crash tested nor in emissions compliance. See post #115

Posted by: gdonovan at March 08, 2014 04:23 PM (dsjHU)

246 Please read the article posted! "Part of the contract with the donated Viper reads that it will be destroyed if the company orders it to be." "The pre-production vehicle is not legal for street use and was never meant for resale. It has no emissions controls or speed limiters." "Chapman said he was told by a company official that the destruction of 93 vehicles is the result of two educational Vipers that Â“got looseÂ” and were involved in accidents, costing parent company Fiat millions of dollars."

Posted by: gdonovan at March 08, 2014 04:34 PM (dsjHU)

247 test

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 08, 2014 05:04 PM (QFxY5)

248 246 gdonovan

My error. Thx for correction.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 08, 2014 05:51 PM (aUQgu)

249 Speaking of cars worth now what they were new: add another one onto your list:

Land Rover Defender 90

Had one in my garage back in '94. But gf then said it was too 'butch'. Ended up with a GT convertible instead.

In '94, they wanted 28k for one, two tops, fully loaded for bear hunting. Today, you'd be very lucky to find one under 36k (as long as it wasn't wrecked or abused). Many go for upwards of 40k. Because import stupidity and Dept of Highway Robbery er, Safety.

Posted by: Mr Wolf at March 08, 2014 09:16 PM (Hz0F/)

250

The day kennedy was shot. I walked into one of my college freshman classes. The girls were all crying. I asked, "Which one? There were so many." After that I was public enemy number one.

Posted by: burt at March 09, 2014 05:36 AM (1+kJ5)

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